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Overnight Open Thread

Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 9:48:32 pm PDT

One eare it heard, at the other out it went.

Geoffrey Chaucer

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1 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:49:25pm

I think that describes my son at the moment.

2 LEGION  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:50:12pm

God Bless Bobby Murcer and Tony Snow.

3 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:50:59pm

Guys, if you're ever in Chile, take my advice: RIDE THE SUBWAY!

4 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:51:07pm

re: #2 LEGION
AMEN.

5 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:51:20pm

people hear what they want to hear.

6 MajorPribluda  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:51:55pm

Charles,

Good to see you on Tammy Bruce. Still haven't caught the Prager Podcast, but it's on the iPod.

You'll have to do this more often.

7 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:52:04pm

re: #5 nyc redneck

people hear what they want to hear.

Especially when Obama is talking.

8 MajorPribluda  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:53:36pm

re: #7 CyanSnowHawk


re: #5 nyc redneck

people hear what they want to hear.

Especially when Obama is talking.

Funny, that never happens to me...

9 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:53:38pm

huh? (head twists around...)

10 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:53:58pm

boy--they didnt know how to spell back then!

11 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:54:24pm

re: #8 MajorPribluda
Well I bet it happens a lot to Obama - you've seen the size of the ears on that dude!

12 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:54:30pm

re: #9 WindHorse

Call an exorcist !

13 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:55:19pm

re: #11 realwest

is ear size related to --umm--other size, yeah think?

14 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:55:24pm

re: #12 wolfie Hey wolfie, how are ya doing tonight? Were you able to listen to Charles on Tammy Bruce?

15 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:56:18pm

re: #13 mikeymom

probably..... my ears are really small......

16 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:56:26pm

re: #13 mikeymom
Hey mikeymom - I doubt it - I have sorta smallish ears for example and a ..............well, nevemind, leave it at I don't think so!

17 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:56:40pm

re: #13 mikeymom

.....but BOY are they thick..... :)

18 beachkatie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:57:08pm

re: #9 WindHorse
Weetdreams to ya little green footballers! See ya tomorrow!:)

19 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:57:27pm

re: #18 beachkatie

later gator..... sleep well!

20 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:58:05pm

re: #8 MajorPribluda

Funny, that never happens to me...

It's starting to happen to me. I want him to sabotage his campaign by saying things that conflict with what he said during the primaries and how he has voted during his political career. And the occasional stuttering 'uh' tongue-tied moment.

21 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:58:12pm

re: #15 WindHorse

re: #16 realwest

hmmmmm==wind--real--wind--real--what a decision! cause of course, no ones lies on the internet!

22 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:58:28pm

re: #3 Wyatt Earp

Guys, if you're ever in Chile, take my advice: RIDE THE SUBWAY!

she sounds like a lonely misguided young woman.
i hope she doesn't decide to put on a frilly white wedding dress and hitch hike around turkey to bring abt. world peace.

23 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:58:59pm

re: #13 mikeymom

is ear size related to --umm--other size, yeah think?

No but you know what they say about big feet?
.
.
.
.
.
.
Big Boots:)

24 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:59:26pm

Having done just a bit more field-testing (okay, our apartment isn't really a field, but anyway), allow me to boost my enthusiasm for the "Shazam" iPhone app. Very cool technology. Picture this if you can, Howie; you hear a piece of music in a restaurant or store that you like, but can't identify. You hold your iPhone up near a speaker; about 10 seconds later, your iPhone identifies the song. In my non-scientific non-field (but yes, apartment-) testing, it gets it right about 75% percent of the time. And it's free.

Science!

25 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:59:44pm

Talked to my Puerto Rican SIL today. She has a lot of relatives living in Florida and says none of them like Obama...........but none of them can tell her why.
There's a switch! It's usually his supporters that can't explain their position.

26 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 9:59:49pm

re: #22 nyc redneck

Or to stop global warming!

27 beachkatie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:00:08pm

re: #19 WindHorse
You to windhorse!Weet dreams!

28 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:00:08pm

re: #18 beachkatie

nite beachkatie,
weet.

29 RubyTuesday  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:00:08pm

Is there a SNDT? Is this it? Then I'm in the right place. Nothing makes sense. Oh yea, we might be talking about the libertards. If so, I'm ok.

and so are you.

30 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:00:14pm

re: #21 mikeymom
OF course no one lies on the internet! Not about that anyway!
Sorta like guys who stuff a rolled up sock in their jeans - I always ask 'em what do you do when you drop your pants and the woman starts laughing so hard you lose your, uh, ya know!

31 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:01:06pm

re: #24 Occasional Reader

will that work with my rotary phone?

32 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:01:21pm

re: #30 realwest

Sorta like guys who stuff a rolled up sock in their jeans

Key thing to remember there; you're supposed to stuff it in the FRONT of your jeans.

33 williwonka  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:01:27pm

Why the urge to claim that U.S. defense and intelligence agencies did not know anything about Iran's false missile launch claims?

Far more to be gained by keeping quiet.

The exact timing of the launch, the destination and impact sites were all tracked.

Having lgf be the source of the exposure further undermines Iranian prestige. Not an intelligence agency, not even the mainstream media but a lizard tipping LGF. That has to smart and cause some discomfort in Iran,

34 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader Hey, don't tell me, tell Dirk! LOL!

35 Happy Fun Ball  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:13pm
36 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:15pm

re: #31 mikeymom

will that work with my rotary phone?

Yes, if you use it to call a friend who has an iPhone, and then hold your rotary phone receiver up to the speaker!

37 Yankee Division Son  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:17pm

SNDT! w00t!

38 Charles  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:19pm

Anyone want to see what the liars and creeps who were banned for one reason or another are saying about me?

This is a guy who was banned after letting a real creep use his account (who abused and insulted numerous people here), "avideditor:"

[Link: avideditor.wordpress.com...]

And here's "muman," who was banned after posting a comment full of racist slurs:

[Link: lgfsucks.wordpress.com...]

39 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:46pm

"In one ear and out the other" is from Chaucher? Holy cow.

Language can be fun. Just today I was reading book 10 of Patrick O'Brian's Aubrey & Maturin series, and it occurred to me that the phrase "cross the line" is almost certainly nautical in origin, referring to crossing the equator.

Think also of how no less a person than Saddam Hussein has contributed to the English language. "The Mother of All (fill in the blank)" is now part of modern speech.

40 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:48pm

re: #24 Occasional Reader

that's not science.
that's magic.
lol

41 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:02:58pm

re: #30 realwest

oh wow! realwest! you know guys who put socks in their crotch? you ARE A WILD AND CRAZY GUY!

42 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:03:40pm

re: #38 Charles I'll take your word for it Charles, no reason to drive up their hit counts!

43 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:03:50pm

re: #40 nyc redneck

that's not science.
that's magic.
lol

No kidding. I am quite blow away by it. And it's FREE! Wow.

44 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:03:54pm

re: #33 williwonka

I couldn't agree more!

45 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:04:05pm

re: #36 Occasional Reader

do i have to put in a quarter first?

46 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:04:07pm

re: #38 Charles

Unbe-freakin-lievable!

47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:04:23pm

Evening all, just got back in. Saw Hellboy, a very enjoyable movie. The kids loved it and the wife liked it in spite of herself.

48 beachkatie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:04:54pm

re: #28 nyc redneck
Be sweet girl!Love ya mean it!

49 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:05:00pm

re: #41 mikeymom ONE! I knew one guy who did and I did ask him that question but he never answered me - I suspect he'd never been in a position to find out!

50 pegcity  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:05:26pm

re: #38 Charles

amazing that all you do is speak the truth and people just can't handle it.

51 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:05:30pm

re: #45 mikeymom

do i have to put in a quarter first?

No, you're thinking of "Magic Fingers".

(Which doubtless is an upcoming iPhone app)

52 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:05:33pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

SOOOO- will she give you hot hellboy sex tonight? just axe'in

53 LEGION  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:06:43pm

re: #32 Occasional Reader

And of course don't forget the TP stuffed in the brassieres. Remember the Animal House scene. I was always for the devil!

54 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:07:12pm

re: #42 realwest

I'll take your word for it Charles, no reason to drive up their hit counts!

I find stupid people boring. Being a lightning rod for incoherent criticism from the dumbest parts of society must be enough to put Charles to sleep sometimes.

55 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:07:32pm

re: #51 Occasional Reader

i always got confused as to where to put the quarters--

56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:07:55pm

re: #52 mikeymom

SOOOO- will she give you hot hellboy sex tonight? just axe'in

Already took care of that. Kids went to a friends after the movie.

57 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:07:55pm

re: #48 beachkatie

i mean it too.

58 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:08:35pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

good 5 minutes then?

59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:09:17pm

re: #58 mikeymom

good 5 minutes then?

Yup, about 15 or 20 of them.

60 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:09:26pm

re: #58 mikeymom
Has flattery always been your forte?!?

;')

61 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:10:16pm

re: #59 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

heh! good one--(sigh--so jealous)--

62 realwest  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:12:10pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual, but I gotta get some sleep here.
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

63 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:12:10pm

re: #60 realwest

as much as i luv ya guy--you are not immune to a smack or three

64 LEGION  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:13:43pm

Global Warming is a false religion like lord obama's campaign. The masses have been hypnotized.

65 mikeymom  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:13:45pm

yeah--real and i have to get bed-together--rub backs and all--take care all lizards and God bless

66 beachkatie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:15:03pm

re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Why are you on the computer ?/:(

67 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:15:42pm

re: #43 Occasional Reader

No kidding. I am quite blow away by it. And it's FREE! Wow.

what abt. that ad where all you have to do is say the name of the song you want to come on in the car. the doofus can't hardly get thru the commercial he says, "play recording artist, the strokes."
and then his head bobbles around and i'm thinking he might run the car off the road. he seems so self conscious.
i don't think that's free.

68 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:16:52pm

re: #42 realwest

I'll take your word for it Charles, no reason to drive up their hit counts!

I think I'll take his word for it, too! I hate that kind of stuff.

And, yes, I DID hear the Tammy Bruce segment ! (Not excatly live, but my son recorded it for me.) Charles was great and Tammy was so gracious. I was really pleased that Charles brought up Obama's website and the garbage there.:)

Oh. I know "recorded" is the wrong word, the kind of word that makes my kids roll their eyes at me, but I'm a dinosaur. :(

69 profitsbeard  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:18:27pm

Ears?

Obama's are like modified flippers.

(Not very aerodynamic, either.)

Speaking of which... how to tie together evolution, climate change, morphology, homology and avoid risque allusions all at once.

70 beachkatie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:18:31pm

re: #67 nyc redneck

re: #68 wolfie Be sweet Wolfie!:)

71 BigJohn  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:18:33pm

I'm switching back and forth from this thread to the Tony Snow thread. I just wanted to see what nice things you girls/guys had to say about him. What will always stick with me most was on 9/11. He was signing off from the news that day. Maybe it was the next day. He had tears in his eyes. It was something else. RIP Tony.

72 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:19:31pm

re: #38 Charles

Anyone want to see what the liars and creeps who were banned for one reason or another are saying about me?

This is a guy who was banned after letting a real creep use his account (who abused and insulted numerous people here), "avideditor:"

[Link: avideditor.wordpress.com...]

And here's "muman," who was banned after posting a comment full of racist slurs:

[Link: lgfsucks.wordpress.com...]

I always knew muman was a bit off but, I had no idea exactly how off.

73 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:19:39pm

re: #62 realwest

Goodnight, RW !

74 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:20:26pm

re: #67 nyc redneck

what abt. that ad where all you have to do is say the name of the song you want to come on in the car. the doofus can't hardly get thru the commercial he says, "play recording artist, the strokes."
and then his head bobbles around and i'm thinking he might run the car off the road. he seems so self conscious.
i don't think that's free.

I don't have that system, so I can't say how well it works. The amazing thing about that is that it's "listening" to THE SONG ITSELF, and figuring it out. There must be some very heavy-duty algorithms cooking away back at Shazam HQ to be able to do that.

75 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:21:07pm

re: #70 beachkatie

re: #68 wolfie Be sweet Wolfie!:)

Say hello to the ocean for me!
(I love it so!)

76 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:21:53pm

re: #68 wolfie

I think I'll take his word for it, too! I hate that kind of stuff.

And, yes, I DID hear the Tammy Bruce segment ! (Not excatly live, but my son recorded it for me.) Charles was great and Tammy was so gracious. I was really pleased that Charles brought up Obama's website and the garbage there.:)

Oh. I know "recorded" is the wrong word, the kind of word that makes my kids roll their eyes at me, but I'm a dinosaur. :(

That tickled me pink! Word of that will spread.

77 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:22:16pm

re: #74 Occasional Reader

The amazing thing about that is that it's "listening" to THE SONG ITSELF


(Referring here to the Shazam app, not that voice activated car system thingy)

78 CyanSnowHawk  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:22:52pm

re: #38 Charles

Anyone want to see what the liars and creeps who were banned for one reason or another are saying about me?

This is a guy who was banned after letting a real creep use his account (who abused and insulted numerous people here), "avideditor:"

[Link: avideditor.wordpress.com...]

And here's "muman," who was banned after posting a comment full of racist slurs:

[Link: lgfsucks.wordpress.com...]

I got an eyeful the other day reading Atlas Shrugs. Not Pamela, who just seems somewhat misguided, but real vitriol in the comments.

79 Occasional Reader  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:24:25pm

Good night.

80 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:25:20pm

Okay, I have to vent a bit about something here. Please lay off Obama and his ears. I am sure he has given us more than enough to bust his balls about, but lay off on the ears. I am sure he has had people bother him about it for most of his life and I could sympathize with it. Not standing up for him or what he trys to represent. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

/try to see how you like going through public school with the nickname Dumbo.

81 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:25:23pm

if you take a bookie in someone elses space expect to be banned.

DUH

82 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:29:02pm

re: #50 pegcity

amazing that all you do is speak the truth and people just can't handle it.

it seems like what charles does, is occasionally post relevant scientific articles that are of great interest to many people.
important findings that have no focus on demeaning religion whatsoever.

83 MajorPribluda  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:29:22pm

re: #38 Charles

Well, that was depressing.

84 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:31:05pm

re: #80 BlueCanuck

Okay. :)

I'll go outside the box here and say I think Obama is actually quite handsome. Too "metrosexual" to float my boat maybe, but good-looking.

85 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:31:27pm

re: #83 MajorPribluda

depressing for the ones who said it.... other than that? Who cares?

86 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:32:33pm

re: #84 wolfie

please refrain from leaving the box.... the animals outside are untame and extremely dangereous.....

87 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:32:35pm

re: #80 BlueCanuck

Okay, I have to vent a bit about something here. Please lay off Obama and his ears. I am sure he has given us more than enough to bust his balls about, but lay off on the ears. I am sure he has had people bother him about it for most of his life and I could sympathize with it. Not standing up for him or what he trys to represent. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

/try to see how you like going through public school with the nickname Dumbo.

Seriously, we have just so much to criticize about his ideas, especially as he keeps changing them.

88 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:32:49pm

re: #86 WindHorse

oops

89 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:35:22pm

re: #86 WindHorse

please refrain from leaving the box.... the animals outside are untame and extremely dangereous.....

Gulp.
That was a frightening moment, I must say.

90 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:36:52pm

BOOKIE / DOOKIE it is all chit

PIMF

91 nigella  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:38:45pm

Kosh, as far as I'm concerned his ears are the least of his problems. I will lay off them as soon as his "camp" lays off McCains' age ......

92 Purple Prose  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:39:24pm

I am glad LGF threw Biblically literal creationists under the guise of ID and neo-fascists under the bus. This stuff is crap. Islamofascism is the biggest threat we face today, but neither the rejection of reason and science nor the acceptance of David Duke will help the West resist this threat. In fact, the acceptance of reason and the rejection of David Duke will allow us to resist this threat. The threat of Islamism is one part its assault on reason and the other its inherent totalitarian attempt to turn the world into a monoculture of sharia.

Faith is wonderful, until you reject faith tempered by moderation and reasonable limits, which then establishes the dilemma: if you accept everything based on faith without any grounding in reality, what's to stop someone else from claiming their crazy faith is just as good or better?

Diversity is wonderful, until you favor an external group that seeks to destroy diversity. Political correctness and multiculturalism, by not distinguishing at all between different ideas and cultures, sets the stage for a takeover of the most aggressive even in democratic societies, a la one person, one vote, one time.

The trick is to remain faithful to values without being dogmatic and to accept reason and distinguish between things that are better and those that are worse.

Between the hard right (political or religious) and the hard left (just political or favoring any religion but Christianity or Judaism), the job is tough. Only moderation and the classic middle ground - or what we might now call slightly right-of-center, since so-called progressives are about as reasonable as IDers in this day and age - can protect Western culture from itself and the external forces that want to destroy it.

93 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:40:17pm

Good evening, everybody.

Hey, Charles. Did that avid editor dude go by the nick, avideditorla, or something like that? Pimped his blog more than he posted, iirc.

94 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:40:47pm

re: #84 wolfie

Okay. :)

I'll go outside the box here and say I think Obama is actually quite handsome. Too "metrosexual" to float my boat maybe, but good-looking.


oh boy, i think i know where you're coming from.
but even tho he is a long legged mac-daddy who cuts a fine figure in a suit, his horrible personality would drive you crazy w/in 5 minutes of ordering dinner on your first date.
you'd get up and walk out. i know i would.

his personality makes him a zero.

95 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:41:00pm

˙˙˙˙uıɐƃɐ oƃ ǝʍ ǝɹǝɥ

96 RTLM  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:41:17pm

Bear hunters hunting boar bears forced to kill a sow bear with cubs.

(.458?)

97 WindHorse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:43:49pm

re: #95 WindHorse

what bogus boojie.... I type it correctly..... cut and pasted it correctly.... and STILL, it comes out garbled and wrong.....

That is just wrong.....

98 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:44:56pm

HOW DO YOU TELL IF BEAR 'SCAT' IS FROM A GRIZZLE OR A BLACK BEAR?

99 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:45:09pm

Psst, did you guys hear? Kenyans want McCain to be President.

Racists.

100 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:45:42pm

re: #98 yochanan

HOW DO YOU TELL IF BEAR 'SCAT' IS FROM A GRIZZLE OR A BLACK BEAR?

The Grizzle's smells like peanut butter?

101 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:45:55pm

re: #94 nyc redneck

There probably wouldn't BE a first date!
I don't think he could hide his manipulative side for more than 30 seconds!

102 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:46:28pm

the kind from black bears has digested berry and roots in it the grizzle scat has little bells and smells of pepper spray.

103 nigella  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:47:58pm

#102, how do you know when a thread is dead? When bear scat is the topic of conversation!

104 RTLM  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:48:22pm

re: #98 yochanan

Depends on if your in North America or Alaska.

105 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:48:53pm

re: #102 yochanan

Pepper spray? Oh, you mean seasoning. ;)

106 RTLM  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:49:18pm

I think bears are most closely related to pigs.

(or primates)

107 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:49:33pm

re: #99 vbspurs

John McCain can't run marathons!

108 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:50:24pm

re: #107 Wyatt Earp

John McCain can't run marathons!

And Obama can't bike ride! Due to his flat tires.

109 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:51:58pm

re: #101 wolfie

There probably wouldn't BE a first date!
I don't think he could hide his manipulative side for more than 30 seconds!

that's true.

110 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:52:41pm

printing up NO! bama stickers the old fashioned way letterpress with wood cuts and oil based ink

111 LeePro  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:52:56pm

re: #104 RTLM

Depends on if your in North America or Alaska.

North America includes Alaska!

112 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:54:57pm

something about runners that bothers me either the narcissism or the B.O. not sure which.

113 UncleSam  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:55:23pm

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Evening all, just got back in. Saw Hellboy, a very enjoyable movie. The kids loved it and the wife liked it in spite of herself.

Saw Hellboy 2 today, also.
Exciting, interesting, funny and absolutely unfreakingbelievably GORGEOUS.
That's some truly great cinematography.

114 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:55:27pm

re: #93 Noam Sayin'

Good evening, everybody.

Hey, Charles. Did that avid editor dude go by the nick, avideditorla, or something like that? Pimped his blog more than he posted, iirc.

I saw him a bit in the Lounge.

115 BlueCanuck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:56:22pm

re: #111 LeePro

Well it used to belong to the Russian empire over a hundred years ago. :)

/Morning {LeePro}

116 RTLM  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:56:53pm

re: #111 LeePro

North America includes Alaska!

I consider myself fact checked!

But Brown Bears (Grizzlies) are in Alaska and Northern Canada and Black bears dwell in southern latitudes.

Thaks for the map :)

117 LeePro  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:58:26pm

re: #115 BlueCanuck

Well it used to belong to the Russian empire over a hundred years ago. :)

/Morning {LeePro}

Hey {Blue}

;D

118 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:58:43pm

re: #113 UncleSam

Saw Hellboy 2 today, also.
Exciting, interesting, funny and absolutely unfreakingbelievably GORGEOUS. That's some truly great cinematography.

In the past two months, I have walked out of Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, plus I asked for my money back some years ago, for X-Men (I).

Me and comics adaptations just don't click (with the exception of my very beloved Superman/Batman ones. I'll even do a bit of Spiderman).

So...given all this, do you think I'd like Hellboy II?

I went to see Journey to the Centre of the Earth instead, and though it's a barebones plot, it's a very enjoyable popcorn adventure flick.

119 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 10:59:47pm

re: #114 MandyManners

Had a blog with a url of roughly the same spelling.

120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:01:14pm

re: #66 beachkatie

Why are you on the computer ?/:(

Sorry, was occupied

121 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:01:17pm

re: #119 Noam Sayin'

Had a blog with a url of roughly the same spelling.

I saw muman more in the Lounge than I did here. He had an attitude.

122 LeePro  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:01:20pm

re: #116 RTLM

I consider myself fact checked!

But Brown Bears (Grizzlies) are in Alaska and Northern Canada and Black bears dwell in southern latitudes.

Thaks for the map :)

K.

    : : : checking itinerary : : :

Is this the Brown Bear/Black Bear thread?

Yer weckum.

;D

123 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:01:25pm

re: #119 Noam Sayin'

Maybe it wasn't a blog.

I have no idea if this is the same person, or the one about which I asked Charles.

124 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:03:20pm

re: #123 Noam Sayin'

Maybe it wasn't a blog.

I have no idea if this is the same person, or the one about which I asked Charles.

That's the nic I remember.

125 nyc redneck  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:03:39pm

oh my god, i gotta go,
good night all you fine people,
have a wonderful evening (morning, oh.)
and don't worry.
we are a strong nation.

126 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:04:08pm

And wasn't there someone here by the nick, djconservo?

avideditorla is the first comment on that post.

127 Purple Prose  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:05:53pm

re: #106 RTLM

I think bears are most closely related to pigs.

(or primates)

I don't get why the Koran calls Jews pigs and monkeys. I mean, pigs and monkeys are very different, so which is it? Obviously, this is not evolutionary thinking. It's revolutionary (guard) thinking. Also, why the obsession with the uncleanliness of dogs? That's a weird one. Dogs have been companions of humans for thousands of years. Some of the oldest dog breeds at Middle Eastern. The wolf was probably made a companion of humans around the campfire in Mesopotamia. Maybe it was convenient to blame the poor ever-present dog on disease epidemics. That's similar to blaming cats for evil in medieval Europe. Or maybe being attached to a dog was viewed as outdated idolatry by early Muslims. Or maybe they just hate everything that might distract men from prostrating toward Mecca, getting a forehead burn and going to war: like dogs, infidels, women, music, alcohol, etc. It's time for an "Islam for Idiots" book to explain these things in plain and simple language.

128 Thanos  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:07:38pm

re: #122 LeePro

K.

    : : : checking itinerary : : :

Is this the Brown Bear/Black Bear thread?

Yer weckum.

;D

[Link: www.bear.org...]

129 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:08:05pm

A bit OT, on the culinary side -

Any tips on clam chowder recipes? My priorities are simple prep, serves two (multiple times, I like going back for 2nds and thirds on good hearty dishes), is "hearty", won't disappoint either a Texan who's seen the ocean twice in her life or a New Englander who scoffs at the fru-fru interpretations of good solid Yankee chow.

The three best recipes I've found all involve frying up dead pig in a pan, adding onions/spices/flour to the fat, then using clam juice to cook up the clams, throwing it all together, and adding some kind of dairy.

Wondering if anybody here had some advice on this ("my mom always does X", for example), as I know we have plenty of Yankees, of both the in situ and New England Diaspora varieties. Several people here gave me restaurant advice before a trip to New Orleans last year and they were spot-on, I figured this thread is as good a place as any to ask.

130 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:08:48pm

re: #106 RTLM

Are you just randomly tossing shit out there or...what?

Bear evolution

Their closest relative is the Pinniped.

131 UncleSam  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:09:30pm

re: #118 vbspurs

In the past two months, I have walked out of Incredible Hulk and Iron Man, plus I asked for my money back some years ago, for X-Men (I).

Me and comics adaptations just don't click (with the exception of my very beloved Superman/Batman ones. I'll even do a bit of Spiderman).

So...given all this, do you think I'd like Hellboy II?

I went to see Journey to the Centre of the Earth instead, and though it's a barebones plot, it's a very enjoyable popcorn adventure flick.

I don't know if you'd like it.
It's very weird, but beautiful visually.
(And I have the full set of the comic books, so I was already a big fan.)
I liked Iron Man, so maybe you wouldn't like this, even though it's really nothing like Iron Man, or probably anything you've ever seen.
More monsters and strange creatures per second and per square foot of movie screen than any movie ever.
I loved it.

132 Kosh's Shadow  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:10:27pm

re: #98 yochanan

HOW DO YOU TELL IF BEAR 'SCAT' IS FROM A GRIZZLE OR A BLACK BEAR?

Bear bells

133 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:10:34pm

re: #127 Purple Prose
My theory as to why islamists don't like dogs is because a dog will bite his master if he beats his wife or child. I know my dog would get bent when me and the kids were just wrestling.

134 Macker  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:11:31pm

re: #127 Purple Prose

And whoever writes that book will get an automatic Fatwa!

135 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:12:52pm

re: #118 vbspurs

You asked for your money back on X-men? What possibly could have been wrong with the movie, given the theme?

136 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:13:07pm

re: #126 Noam Sayin'

And wasn't there someone here by the nick, djconservo?

avideditorla is the first comment on that post.

I don't remember that at all.

137 RTLM  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:14:04pm

/So seals, Bears and dogs are evolutionary cousins. (whales?!)

Yes, Sharmuta - tossing away.

138 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:14:37pm

re: #127 Purple Prose

I don't get why the Koran calls Jews pigs and monkeys. I mean, pigs and monkeys are very different, so which is it? Obviously, this is not evolutionary thinking. It's revolutionary (guard) thinking. Also, why the obsession with the uncleanliness of dogs? That's a weird one. Dogs have been companions of humans for thousands of years. Some of the oldest dog breeds at Middle Eastern. The wolf was probably made a companion of humans around the campfire in Mesopotamia. Maybe it was convenient to blame the poor ever-present dog on disease epidemics. That's similar to blaming cats for evil in medieval Europe. Or maybe being attached to a dog was viewed as outdated idolatry by early Muslims. Or maybe they just hate everything that might distract men from prostrating toward Mecca, getting a forehead burn and going to war: like dogs, infidels, women, music, alcohol, etc. It's time for an "Islam for Idiots" book to explain these things in plain and simple language.

I think that Mo tried to get it on with a dog and the dog took a bite out of him.

139 Purple Prose  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:15:04pm

re: #133 Metal Man

My theory as to why islamists don't like dogs is because a dog will bite his master if he beats his wife or child. I know my dog would get bent when me and the kids were just wrestling.

Or it might for the same reason that lonely shepherds don't want to talk about their relationship with their sheep.

140 Thanos  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:15:13pm

Hrmm there's a lack of consensus on varieties : brown vs. grizzled vs kodiak etc. some consider them one species, others multiple species. They can all interbreed. Ursus Arctos is the brown family, and interestingly enough they can also mate with Polar bears, so we no longer have to worry about global warming.

That said, it's time for me to get some sleeps.

141 SummerSong  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:15:20pm

re: #126 Noam Sayin'

I don't know about the DJ part, but I do remember a Conservo. Posted a lot on the neo nazi threads?

142 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:15:41pm

re: #127 Purple Prose

Also, why the obsession with the uncleanliness of dogs? That's a weird one. Dogs have been companions of humans for thousands of years.

It's because dogs are f-cking dirty. They don't bathe, they eat their own crap, they crap everywhere, they drool or get food everywhere, and they shed at least as bad as cats.

They're damned handy for a society that travels in packs, lives in caves, and has to deal with roving predators of both two- and four-legged variety. For modern suburban living, though, I find the cat to be much better suited. Unfortunately cats don't guard things.

Mohammed was probably at least as germophobic and OCD about clean, non-smelly hands as I am. He was clearly a "cat person", which is the only point I agree with him on.

I don't dislike dogs, and I see why people do like them, but on the whole, objectively, they are disgusting, high-maintenance animals. I wouldn't dare to own one unless I had plenty of property for it to run on and a surefire way to keep it in a designated area of the house.

143 konservo  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:16:18pm

re: #126 Noam Sayin'

And wasn't there someone here by the nick, djconservo?

avideditorla is the first comment on that post.

I think I remember someone having a nic similar to that, I could be wrong...

:P

144 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:16:46pm

re: #126 Noam Sayin'

Yes- Konservo has an account here, and if you read that, avid isn't pleased that Konservo isn't siding with the Serbs- one of the very reasons he and Rodan were playing sock puppet games at LGF which led to avid's banning.

145 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:16:50pm

re: #129 Pawn of the Oppressor

Try substituting shallots for the onions - minced finely, so they disappear when cooked. Include a squeeze of fresh lemon toward the end of the cooking process.

146 RTLM  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:17:20pm

Pinniped vs Pinniped

147 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:17:26pm

re: #141 SummerSong

I don't know about the DJ part, but I do remember a Conservo. Posted a lot on the neo nazi threads?

I remember a Conservo.

148 Sharmuta  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:17:30pm

re: #143 konservo

Hey! I was, uh...just talking about you.

149 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:18:14pm

re: #131 UncleSam

More monsters and strange creatures per second and per square foot of movie screen than any movie ever.
I loved it.

Thanks for taking the time to reply! Thankfully this is an open thread, because your retort could've been, what are we, IMDB? ;)

Let me just say that I loved Frank Miller's "Sin City" and "300", so stylised cinematography is no problem. It's that I can't get into comics.

Just to open up some chat, my grades for some summer flicks I've seen:

Hancock II: B-
Wall-E: B+
Wanted: C+
Kung Fu Panda: B
Indiana Jones IV: C-
Get Smart: B
Kit Kittredge: B+
Incredible Hulk: D
Roman de Gare: B-
JTTCOTE (see above): B+

150 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:18:35pm

re: #143 konservo

Oh, shit. I'm very embarassed right now.

151 Purple Prose  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:18:41pm

re: #138 MandyManners

I think that Mo tried to get it on with a dog and the dog took a bite out of him.

They say Hitler, an admirer of Mo according to Speer, only had one testicle. Maybe it was because Hitler also tried to get it on with some unwilling participant that took a bite out of him.

You gotta wonder how much of history's atrocities are the result of men who were traumatized over losing a testicle.

152 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:19:01pm

re: #145 Noam Sayin'

Oh, and a drizzle of olive oil just before plating.

153 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:19:12pm

re: #133 Metal Man

My theory as to why islamists don't like dogs is because a dog will bite his master if he beats his wife or child. I know my dog would get bent when me and the kids were just wrestling.

That is a very interesting theory. The 6th-century-minded male would find a family-loyal dog to be competition, or possibly a threat.

I'm acquainted with a guy who's been over to Afghanistan multiple times, and he has a story about nearly having to shoot Afghans that he's caught playing a game that he refers to as "puppy soccer", multiple times. As in, he ran across this phenomenon not once, but several times.

Animal abusers make Baby Jesus want to pull out his 9 and bust some caps.

154 wolfie  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:19:32pm

A lot of cultures use "dog" as an insult or speak of "dirty dogs," etc.

My GUESS is that it ended up being prominent in Islam because Big Mo himself happened to be a dog-hater. It's all about Mo!

155 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:20:06pm

re: #145 Noam Sayin'

Try substituting shallots for the onions - minced finely, so they disappear when cooked. Include a squeeze of fresh lemon toward the end of the cooking process.

I knew there was some reason I adore you.

156 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:20:07pm

re: #143 konservo

LOL!

My apologies if I cast undeserved aspersions in your direction. I simply did a google search on 'avideditorla'

157 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:20:12pm

re: #139 Purple Prose

Or it might for the same reason that lonely shepherds don't want to talk about their relationship with their sheep.


You'd think they would hate the sheep more since the lambs will come up and say Daaaaadddd:)

158 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:20:21pm

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor

but on the whole, objectively, they are disgusting, high-maintenance animals.

This might provoke a crapstorm even unlike the ID threads!

For the record, I love all animals, but being a Leo, I don't like other cats anywhere near me. I love dogs.

159 luckygirl  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:20:39pm

re: #127 Purple Prose

Sorry ... just one funny point... "outdated idolatry"? for Muslims!
I just want to collapse in hysterics at that term! Islam IS outdated idolatry! (no jab at you dear... just a barb aimed at Islam).

160 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:21:05pm

re: #151 Purple Prose

They say Hitler, an admirer of Mo according to Speer, only had one testicle. Maybe it was because Hitler also tried to get it on with some unwilling participant that took a bite out of him.

You gotta wonder how much of history's atrocities are the result of men who were traumatized over losing a testicle.

I just spat out my cigarette.

161 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:22:41pm

re: #117 LeePro

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
1867 STWARDS FOLLY.

162 luckygirl  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:24:22pm

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor

Why would you choose such a deprecatative and helpless name? I can't respect it.

163 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:24:24pm

re: #155 MandyManners

I knew there was some reason I adore you.

Sometimes, for breakfast, I'll whip up an omelet with leftover grilled salmon and brie, with a sprinkle of fresh herbs from my garden.

Just sayin...

164 SummerSong  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:24:27pm

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor


Yeah, sounds like you shouldn't have a dog.

165 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:26:42pm

Organic eggs...

Trust me.

166 Inquisitive  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:26:58pm

Well, here I set, it's after 1:00 and I can't sleep. Body is tired but can't shut mind off, so I decided to come see what has been happening around here this eve. Hello all you kind Lizards.

167 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:27:02pm

re: #130 Sharmuta

Are you just randomly tossing shit out there or...what?

Bear evolution

Their closest relative is the Pinniped.

WHAT ABOUT THE CHICAGO BEAR?

168 Yankee Division Son  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:28:14pm

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor

It's obvious you have never owned a Labrador Retriever, have you..

169 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:28:34pm

re: #158 vbspurs

This might provoke a crapstorm even unlike the ID threads!

For the record, I love all animals, but being a Leo, I don't like other cats anywhere near me. I love dogs.

I'm sure it will. People take their pets as personally as their religion. Unfortunately I've observed that some people, especially certain women, seem to find stupid, dirty behavior in dogs as something to adore, not be repulsed by, or to train out of existence.

I think it's the same nurturing instinct that women have towards babies, except they transfer it to dogs (or in this case, puppies). Long story, or set of stories, involving the family of people I live with, that I'd rather not tell here... Feh.

I have two cats myself but I take great pains to clean up after them, make sure the catbox area is as clean as possible at all times, keep hair off my clothes, clean up and put the cats away if guests are stopping by, et cetera.

170 Inquisitive  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:28:53pm

re: #163 Noam Sayin'

Sometimes, for breakfast, I'll whip up an omelet with leftover grilled salmon and brie, with a sprinkle of fresh herbs from my garden.

Just sayin...


Ah--will that be on the menu for today, and if so--WHAT TIME?

171 luckygirl  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:29:54pm

re: #166 Inquisitive

I should be down myself dear... and it is only half past 11 here... I guess your moniker speaks for itself. :)

172 UncleSam  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:30:33pm

re: #149 vbspurs

"Thanks for taking the time to reply! Thankfully this is an open thread, because your retort could've been, what are we, IMDB? ;)"

You're welcome.
Hope it was helpful.
Gotta crash now 'cause I have to work tomorrow.

173 Behead Me Bob  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:31:19pm

re: #133 Metal Man

My theory as to why islamists don't like dogs is because a dog will bite his master if he beats his wife or child. I know my dog would get bent when me and the kids were just wrestling.

Muslims don't like dogs because the angel "Gabriel" didn't visit Mohammed one day because there was a puppy in the room. According to Mo, that's the reason Gabe missed the appointment. He then ordered all the dogs killed, puppies too. 50 other things Muslims don't want the world to know here.

/In this crazy world: "Dogs are man's best friend" doesn't apply to 1/5 of the world.

174 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:31:20pm

re: #163 Noam Sayin'

Sometimes, for breakfast, I'll whip up an omelet with leftover grilled salmon and brie, with a sprinkle of fresh herbs from my garden.

Just sayin...

Can I eat crackers in bed?

175 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:31:27pm

re: #149 vbspurs

re: #131 UncleSam

More monsters and strange creatures per second and per square foot of movie screen than any movie ever.
I loved it.

Actually, for the most monsters on the screen it is hard to beat
"The Hellstrom Chronicles"

Which is a whole movie of close-up shots of insects eating each other up.

176 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:31:27pm

In one ear and out the other

Chaucer is awesome if you can figure out that olde Anglish he spoke in

177 luckygirl  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:31:53pm

re: #169 Pawn of the Oppressor

I like lizards. Analyze me baby! Haha!

178 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:32:40pm

re: #154 wolfie

My GUESS is that it ended up being prominent in Islam because Big Mo himself happened to be a dog-hater. It's all about Mo!

The cossetting of pets other than birds is a Western tradition. Almost all Eastern cultures have a dislike of dogs. It's not Islamic per se, although cleanliness is part of the reason they don't like dogs.

(You can't pray after you've touched a dog, a menstruating woman, or a dead body, etc.)

One thing is to dislike, another thing is to hate. Like this St. Cloud student learnt when he had to leave school, after a Muslim student threatened to kill his service dog:

A St. Cloud State University student in a teacher-training program at Technical High School left the school in late April because he says he feared for the safety of his service dog.

The school district calls it a misunderstanding, and officials there say they hoped Tyler Hurd, a 23-year-old junior from Mahtomedi who aspires to teach special education, would continue his training in the district.

Hurd said a student threatened to kill his service dog named Emmitt. The black lab is trained to protect Hurd when he has seizures.

The threat came from a Somali student who is Muslim, according to Hurd, St. Cloud State and school district officials.

The Muslim faith, which is the dominant faith of Somali immigrants, forbids the touching of dogs.

Hurd trained at Talahi Community School and Tech. He said his experience at Talahi was good. The Somali students there warmed to the dog and eventually petted him using paper to keep their hands off his fur, Hurd said.

Things didn’t go as well at Tech, Hurd said. Students there taunted his dog, and he finally felt he had to leave after he was told a student made a threat. Hurd met with Lockhart but said he did not feel comfortable continuing.

Steffens [Kate Steffens, dean of the college of education at St. Cloud State] said it is important to respect different cultures and the rights of disabled students.

“I think this is part of the growth process when we become more diverse,” Steffens said.

Sounds to me like diversity didn't exactly work out if the epileptic kid had to leave.

179 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:33:06pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Can I eat crackers in bed?

I'll nibble the crumbs off your tummy.

180 rawmuse  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:33:23pm

Good evening, Lizards. I am still saddened by the loss of Tony Snow.
We get over it, we always do, but sometimes death just leaves a big hole in your heart. Tony was real special. I wonder if we shall see his like again.

181 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:33:36pm
Why would you choose such a deprecatative and helpless name? I can't respect it.

This is a political blog and I figured I needed a political nickname. Most lefties like to claim that anybody who isn't a "progressive" has somehow been duped by The Man. I'm also a fan of animation (I went to school to learn it, even) - have you ever seen Antz?

re: #168 Yankee Division Son

It's obvious you have never owned a Labrador Retriever, have you..

Dog-sat one for a week and a half. He's alternately brilliant and dumb as a post, but he's young, only partly lab, and his owner doesn't discipline him consistently.

182 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:34:06pm

re: #179 Noam Sayin'

I'll nibble the crumbs off your tummy.

W00t.

183 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:34:08pm

re: #174 MandyManners


Yes. Please eat all the crackers in bed that you want, and make a big mess, and listen closely for the faint sounds of the voices from overseas, chanting "Not OK, Not Ok!"

184 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:34:17pm

re: #172 UncleSam

"Thanks for taking the time to reply! Thankfully this is an open thread, because your retort could've been, what are we, IMDB? ;)"

You're welcome.
Hope it was helpful.
Gotta crash now 'cause I have to work tomorrow.

Rest easy, Uncle Sam!

(Always wanted to say that)

185 LeePro  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:35:17pm

re: #161 yochanan

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
1867 STWARDS FOLLY.

Ummmm.
My 117 said "Hey {Blue}"

You wanna pick a fight on the Alaska thing, go back to RTLM's #104

186 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:35:18pm

re: #169 Pawn of the Oppressor

I live in the country so my dogs don't hang out in the house so some of the cleanliness issues aren't a problem. But now that I live in the country I had to get a cat for my mouse problem. None of my dogs walk on my kitchen counter that cat is another story. Right out of the cat box to the counter.

187 Behead Me Bob  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:35:36pm

For dog lovers out there, the book 100 Dogs Who Changed Civilization: History's Most Influential Canines might be interesting.

From Amazon:
Biche, the Italian Greyhound who started a war between France and Prussia
Seaman, the Newfoundland who saved explorers Lewis and Clark from a marauding buffalo
Sergeant Stubby, the most decorated war dog in U.S. history
Laika, the first earthling of any kind to go into orbit
Hachiko, an Akita whose devotion to his dead master made him a Japanese national hero

188 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:35:38pm

re: #169 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think it's the same nurturing instinct that women have towards babies, except they transfer it to dogs (or in this case, puppies).

With all due respect, I've heard of crazy cat ladies. One never hears of crazy dog ladies.

We'll have to wait for Paris Hilton to age.

189 Purple Prose  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:36:03pm

re: #159 luckygirl

Sorry ... just one funny point... "outdated idolatry"? for Muslims!
I just want to collapse in hysterics at that term! Islam IS outdated idolatry! (no jab at you dear... just a barb aimed at Islam).

No offense taken, as I must agree, but when Islam came about, it was revolutionary for the Arabian peninsula bedouins. They had no real culture and no religion. They say Jews and Christians and Zoroastrians from a distance, and, lo, Mohammed said, we need some of that. So he did away with what he saw as the backwardness of the natives and invented a kick-ass ideology to unite the tribes so that he could destroy those made him feel inferior.

Islam is a great religion. It's a great religion for uniting semi-nomadic Arabs in the middle ages and turning them into a world-class army. The only wrinkle is that it doesn't go much beyond a battle cry.

190 Ojoe  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:37:02pm

re: #186 Metal Man

My cats live outside and even so, they have so decimated the rodents that there are never any in the house. The big tomcat eats little bunnies in the spring too. We live near a state forest.

191 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:37:26pm

re: #177 luckygirl

I like lizards. Analyze me baby! Haha!

I would guess you like lizards...? Not enough information. I would have to own or spend time with lizards, hang out with and observe lizard-owners, go to herpetology meets, and lizard-sit for someone before I could form an opinion one way or the other.

(Lizards are neat creatures but I don't think I could get used to having live bugs in the house to feed them.)

192 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:39:29pm

Hey, does anyone know if the Obamas have a dog? Just curious.

193 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:40:54pm

re: #186 Metal Man

I live in the country so my dogs don't hang out in the house so some of the cleanliness issues aren't a problem. But now that I live in the country I had to get a cat for my mouse problem. None of my dogs walk on my kitchen counter that cat is another story. Right out of the cat box to the counter.

Yeah, that's what I hate about them... They get up onto stuff and they just don't learn. Even tyrannical terror tactics don't work, all you can do is be vigilant, provide alternatives, and keep the spritzer handy.

194 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:42:23pm

re: #190 Ojoe

I got a kitten in november last year and was amazed at how effective it was immediately. Moved it outside in the spring but wasn't sure if I'd need it back in the house this winter.

195 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:42:51pm

It's beddy-bye time for me. Good night, Lizards!

Good night, Noam. *crunch munch munch munch*

196 MandyManners  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:43:25pm

re: #192 vbspurs

Hey, does anyone know if the Obamas have a dog? Just curious.

They don't.

197 Noam Sayin'  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:43:46pm

re: #195 MandyManners

*nibble, nibble, nibble*

*bite*

198 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:45:40pm

re: #192 vbspurs

Hey, does anyone know if the Obamas have a dog? Just curious.

Obama is probably one of those guys like me who pets a dog awkwardly, makes a little face at his hand, and then washes his hands afterwards.

...OK, I don't always do that, only if the dog is dirty. LOL.

If I ran for President I'd make sure to be photographed dog-sitting an entire pack of dogs, like those people you see out running with ten dogs on leashes. Or playing in the park with a big panting dog, or something. Americans like dogs and are suspicious of those who don't. Period.

Obama is either a cat person, or has no say in the family pet issue, because Michelle runs the house.

199 yochanan  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:46:02pm

re: #192 vbspurs

NO DOG FOR OBAMA

200 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:46:49pm

re: #196 MandyManners

They don't.

Interesting. Thanks. McCain is a huge pet lover and is said to own a "menagerie" of varied pets.

I dug up this recent AP poll on it, via Talking Points Memo. Dog owners love John McCain.

"The American Pet Product Manufacturers Association estimates that 63 percent of American homes include a pet, including 88 million cats and 75 million dogs.

Dog owners lean toward McCain, 43 percent to 34 percent, while cat owners basically divide their loyalties with 41 percent for McCain and 38 percent for Obama."

201 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:49:31pm

re: #198 Pawn of the Oppressor

Obama is either a cat person, or has no say in the family pet issue, because Michelle runs the house.

Tangentially, the Pope is a huge cat-lover. I think he even sponsors a few cats in the Gatti Di Roma charity. Despite my ambivalence towards cats, even I have too.

202 MajorPribluda  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:50:44pm

re: #98 yochanan

HOW DO YOU TELL IF BEAR 'SCAT' IS FROM A GRIZZLE OR A BLACK BEAR?

If it includes Black Bear remains, it's a Grizzly.

203 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:52:10pm

re: #201 vbspurs

Tangentially, the Pope is a huge cat-lover. I think he even sponsors a few cats in the Gatti Di Roma charity. Despite my ambivalence towards cats, even I have too.

Interesting. I would imagine a dog would be difficult to keep when you're the Pope. Huge house, busy schedule, and oh yes, you're old. A cat would be good for a Pope, just so long as the little bastard doesn't scratch up something made by Michaelangelo...

204 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:52:17pm

re: #198 Pawn of the Oppressor

I get the washing your hands after petting the dogs. I get home and they bury their head into your hand and lick. I don't scold for that since I like that they are excited to see me. But I do go in and wash my hands.

205 Shay4l  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:54:25pm

Crap! I write a post about the open-thread-quote and it's completely off-topic 'cause we're really posting about cats and dogs.

Well, my dog isn't Checkers, but he's the bestest dog I ever owned, and I'd sooner give up my good cloth coat than say a bad word about my dog, Duncan.

206 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:55:20pm

re: #135 Noam Sayin'

You asked for your money back on X-men? What possibly could have been wrong with the movie, given the theme?

Oh, I only just saw this. The simple answer is that I felt X-Men was one of those films you had to have some background in, to fully appreciate. I remember one kid saying, "wow that's Magneto!" (sp?) during the film, and I had no idea what he was talking about. Shortly thereafter, I walked out.

BTW, I do free-lance film reviews (South American publications etc.) and I concentrate on docs, indies and foreign films.

207 vbspurs  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:56:20pm

re: #203 Pawn of the Oppressor

Interesting. I would imagine a dog would be difficult to keep when you're the Pope. Huge house, busy schedule, and oh yes, you're old.

Heh. Well, I do believe he has 300 extra pairs of hands to help him with the litter box. :)

JPII was a huge dog lover.

208 Purple Prose  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:56:37pm

re: #142 Pawn of the Oppressor

Mohammed was probably at least as germophobic and OCD about clean, non-smelly hands as I am. He was clearly a "cat person", which is the only point I agree with him on.

I don't dislike dogs, and I see why people do like them, but on the whole, objectively, they are disgusting, high-maintenance animals. I wouldn't dare to own one unless I had plenty of property for it to run on and a surefire way to keep it in a designated area of the house.

So Mohammed was an ancient Howard Hughes? Bubble boy Mohammed.

Anyway, legend may have it that Mohammed liked cats, but cats must obey the same in/out physics as any animal, and cats often defy the litterbox if they are displeased or for whatever reason. I suppose Mo had all the wayward cats beheaded. But why didn't he just get a goldfish? A bit simpler to contain contamination.

209 Metal Man  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:56:50pm

re: #205 Shay4l

If your original thought was about in one eare and out the other I'm sure it could be applied to a dog.

210 RightMinded  Sat, Jul 12, 2008 11:58:46pm

Evening lizards! Just one more vote here for dogs!

We just got (well a bit over a year ago) a Labrador Retriever. And she is the best pet we've had. She beats the four cats we had (years ago) hands down, no contest. A little more work, but much more reward and affection than any of the cats.

And did I mention she doesn't drag her behind across the floor to try and clean herself? (sorry for the grossness, but the cats made me crazy with that!)

211 vbspurs  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:00:07am

re: #208 Purple Prose

So Mohammed was an ancient Howard Hughes? Bubble boy Mohammed.

Anyway, legend may have it that Mohammed liked cats, but cats must obey the same in/out physics as any animal

Remember that dogs and cats go through estrus...though not exactly a period (though there is some staining), there is that notion that dogs (like women) are therefore unclean and one mustn't touch them.

This is such a depressing religion, sorry if I offend.

212 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:00:08am

re: #98 yochanan

HOW DO YOU TELL IF BEAR 'SCAT' IS FROM A GRIZZLE OR A BLACK BEAR?

Climb a tree. If it's a black bear, soon it will come along climb the tree and eat you. If it's a grizzly, soon it will come along and push the tree over and eat you.

213 LeePro  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:02:09am

Eyes droopin'...

BIG storm comin'...

G'nite, {Beloved Lizards}!

/Vote DOG... because they love ya' back!

214 vbspurs  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:02:51am

Night too, guys! You've never loved, until you've loved a poodle. ;)

215 Shay4l  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:03:15am

re: #210 RightMinded

Evening lizards! Just one more vote here for dogs!

We just got (well a bit over a year ago) a Labrador Retriever. And she is the best pet we've had. She beats the four cats we had (years ago) hands down, no contest. A little more work, but much more reward and affection than any of the cats.

And did I mention she doesn't drag her behind across the floor to try and clean herself? (sorry for the grossness, but the cats made me crazy with that!)


I've had both. Cats are good for keeping mice out of a log cabin when the weather turns cold.

Dogs are good.

I luv my dog.

Good night lizards.

216 Purple Prose  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:04:13am

re: #211 vbspurs

Remember that dogs and cats go through estrus...though not exactly a period (though there is some staining), there is that notion that dogs (like women) are therefore unclean and one mustn't touch them.

This is such a depressing religion, sorry if I offend.

So Islam is the anti-mammal religion. What about the gazillion slimy eggs laid by frogs. That's kind of disgusting. I wonder if Islam has a problem with frogs? Have there been any anti-Kermit riots?

Islam has a problem with EVERYTHING. That is the problem with Islam.

217 RTLM  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:04:38am

I had a dog named

Oso

.

He was a Great Pyrenees.

218 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:06:10am

re: #212 Neo Con since 9-11

The only bears we have are the CHICAGO BEARS, and there loosertarian spawn the CUBS.

219 RightMinded  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:10:21am

Our lab has actually been pretty easy to train. We even have bells hanging on the back door handle that she rings when she needs to be let out.

Couldn't train the cats for anything. But one of them actually learned how to flush the toilet. She was fascinated with water and would bat at it as it came out of the faucet. In the middle of the night once, I was awoken by the flush of the toilet, only to look up and see her racing across the bedroom floor and down the hall. Apparently she had scared herself silly flushing the comode.

220 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:11:20am

My cat seems to like me as STAFF she fellows me around like a moonstruck teenager. she hated the human teenagers and sort of likes 'wifie' but seems to be in love with me fellows me around when i am at home offen when i am on the computer esp when i just get home she jumps up and sits infront of the moniter she also likes to sit ontop of the computer she doesn't do this when i am not on it.

she likes to sleep with me as well. the wife and human teenagers she never did .

221 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:15:48am

re: #203 Pawn of the Oppressor

Tangentially, the Pope is a huge cat-lover.

Score one point for Pope Benedict IMHO !

222 RightMinded  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:16:49am

re: #220 yochanan

My cat seems to like me as STAFF she fellows me around like a moonstruck teenager. she hated the human teenagers and sort of likes 'wifie' but seems to be in love with me fellows me around when i am at home offen when i am on the computer esp when i just get home she jumps up and sits infront of the moniter she also likes to sit ontop of the computer she doesn't do this when i am not on it.

she likes to sleep with me as well. the wife and human teenagers she never did .

That's quite a bit of devotion from a cat. Usually they can take you or leave you, but it is always on their terms.

223 Metal Man  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:20:06am

re: #220 yochanan

It always pissed off my ex that the animals she would bring home seemed to like me better. Not sure if it was a dominance thing or if since I could care less for their attention they tried harder to get it.

224 Clemente  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:20:42am

re: #209 Metal Man

If your original thought was about in one eare and out the other I'm sure it could be applied to a dog.

Well, sure. Cats rarely hear any sounds a human voice can produce; they generally don't enter the cat's ear in the first place. You must first pefect your impression of an electic can opener. Then, the cat might acknowledge the possibility of your existence.

225 pat  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:23:44am

So little time, so little to say. Nite.

226 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:25:57am

night pat, looks like the thread is in slow motion. Everyone else is two threads down again.

227 Metal Man  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:28:18am

I'll call it a night also. Everybody have a great Sunday.

228 Purple Prose  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:29:29am

re: #211 vbspurs

Remember that dogs and cats go through estrus...though not exactly a period (though there is some staining), there is that notion that dogs (like women) are therefore unclean and one mustn't touch them.

This is such a depressing religion, sorry if I offend.

Muslims certainly have a problem with menstrual blood. But halal blood after slitting an animals throat is okay, as is the blood resulting from killing an infidel. If they are so hung up on blood, why don't they advocate vegetarianism? Clearly, they are hung up on some reproduction-related blood but have no problem with blood relating to death.

So the most straightforward conclusion is that Islam has a problem with anything "bloody and unclean" related to life but revels in things that are "bloody and unclean" related to death. Ergo, Islam abhors life but loves death, which is pretty much what Islamists say.

"We tell them: in as much as you love life - the Muslim loves death and martyrdom."

[Link: www.memri.org...]

229 RightMinded  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:29:40am

re: #221 Ojoe

Ojoe,

Just wanted to thank you for the previous thread link to the Catz video! My kids loved it. Watched it three times before they had to go to bed.

Speaking of, time for me to hit the hay as well. Nite all.

230 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:30:29am

Good night Pat and Metal Man

231 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:31:41am

Good night to RightMinded, also.

232 RightMinded  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:34:08am

re: #231 Inquisitive

Goodnight to you as well!

233 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:38:49am

I know I haven't hung about much tonight, but I was listening to this, and somehow it means something:

Sleep's Dark and Silent Gate

I don't know what love has got to do with happiness

234 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:39:30am

re: #229 RightMinded

Nite also.

I like the part in the video where a cat comes out of the bushes and sees a dog, and just freaks.

Night all

235 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:50:35am

I guess since it seems everyone else has left then I should too.

236 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:54:12am

Still here, just lurking and checking the LGF spy.

/trying to figure out new mods to youtube as well.

237 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:55:45am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Still here, just lurking and checking the LGF spy.

/trying to figure out new mods to youtube as well.

Good to know I'm not alone-(LOL)---can't sleep tonight---hoping LGF keep me company! Almost 3 a.m. and eyes and mind wide awake.

238 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:58:00am

yeah, I am stuck at a desk with no entertainment. Went through my last toothpicks last week. I wish that people would let things lie and just come over to the late night drinking thread.

239 Sylvester_T_Cat  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:00:18am

re: #151 Purple Prose

re: #151 Purple Prose

They say Hitler, an admirer of Mo according to Speer, only had one testicle. Maybe it was because Hitler also tried to get it on with some unwilling participant that took a bite out of him.

You gotta wonder how much of history's atrocities are the result of men who were traumatized over losing a testicle.

As I recall the story, some British intelligence genius was just trying to help Adolf a bit by putting in a good word for him (well, more or less). It became a famous WW II song:

Hitler, he only had one ball,
Goering, he had two but very small,
Himmler had something simmler,
But poor old Goebbels had no balls at all

Full words to the song are at [Link: ingeb.org...]

(Dunno why we don't fight wars like that any longer. Right now the Arab world should be ringing with songs that explain Osama's love for goats, why Wahabbi is just another word for camel-groper, and catchy tunes about cowardly jihadis' adventures with Hellfire missiles. Might hurt a few feelings here and there, but that sorta happens if one takes on the English-speaking world ;-).)

240 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:00:26am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

May I recommend Jackson Browne's album, Late for the Sky?

Frankly, it's about as good as it gets.

241 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:00:58am

re: #238 BlueCanuck

yeah, I am stuck at a desk with no entertainment. Went through my last toothpicks last week. I wish that people would let things lie and just come over to the late night drinking thread.

Me too, I have been reading some of the "fish" thread, but I don't even begin to post on it.
I lift my glass of Ice tea to BlueCanuck !

242 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:01:34am

re: #237 Inquisitive

What would you like to talk about?

No one's fault, I'm very tired, but I'm terribly sad, and don't feel like inflicting it on my Male. I'd like to talk about just about anything else.

243 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:03:15am

re: #242 Dianna

What would you like to talk about?

No one's fault, I'm very tired, but I'm terribly sad, and don't feel like inflicting it on my Male. I'd like to talk about just about anything else.

Anything but "fish" for tonight or should I say morning.

244 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:03:59am

re: #241 Inquisitive

Blue Canuck is a rather 'together' individual... Skol! (to Blue!)

245 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:04:18am

I am sorry you are terribly Sad
{Dianna}

246 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:05:01am

re: #243 Inquisitive

Very good!

I'm feeling sad. Which has nothing to do with anything, but I'm listening to Jackson Browne's Late for the Sky, and finding it (as I remember) emotionally profounds.

Do you have anything equivalent?

247 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:05:16am

re: #236 BlueCanuck

Still here, just lurking and checking the LGF spy.

/trying to figure out new mods to youtube as well.

I'm still checking in here at LGF but I'm mostly watching Pakistan meltdown

248 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:06:11am

re: #247 Neo Con since 9-11

Oh, dear.

What's happening, in summary?

249 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:07:25am

re: #246 Dianna

Very good!

I'm feeling sad. Which has nothing to do with anything, but I'm listening to Jackson Browne's Late for the Sky, and finding it (as I remember) emotionally profounds.

Do you have anything equivalent?


The Moody Blues. Brings back lost time and lost years. Memiories of days gone by.

250 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:08:06am

re: #247 Neo Con since 9-11

I'm still checking in here at LGF but I'm mostly watching Pakistan meltdown

Please tell MORE !

251 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:09:51am

re: #249 Inquisitive

I remember that: I'm looking for someone to change my life. I'm looking for a miracle in my life.

There were nights when that felt awfully meaningful.

252 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:12:44am

re: #251 Dianna

I remember that: I'm looking for someone to change my life. I'm looking for a miracle in my life.

There were nights when that felt awfully meaningful.

Yes very meaningful---wish I knew then what I know now.

253 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:12:53am

I think I just killed the thread deader that Achmed the dead Terrorist.

Sorry.

254 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:15:30am

re: #252 Inquisitive

Don't we all?

When I think about the nights when Roxy Music's Avalon played in practically every dorm room, and we did lots of things most of us should never have done at all, at all, but somehow don't regret - I remember a guy in the hall begging "someone, ravish me!" (though I didn't) - I wonder if, knowing what I know now, I might not have been kinder, or at least less self-indulgent.

255 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:15:38am

re: #253 Dianna

I think I just killed the thread deader that Achmed the dead Terrorist.

Sorry.

No, I think it was already on it's last leg. No one seems to havemuch to say or there just isn't to many on right now.

256 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:16:53am

re: #254 Dianna

Don't we all?

When I think about the nights when Roxy Music's Avalon played in practically every dorm room, and we did lots of things most of us should never have done at all, at all, but somehow don't regret - I remember a guy in the hall begging "someone, ravish me!" (though I didn't) - I wonder if, knowing what I know now, I might not have been kinder, or at least less self-indulgent.

Well, you might not have been the one to ravish him...

257 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:17:05am

re: #248 Dianna

After al-Queda started a cross border incident between Afghanistan and Pakistan then blew up India's Kabul embassy the situation has been going down hill. Earlier today Pakistan's foreign minister declared the US military to be persona non-grata .
Generally, things are in a hand basket and accelerating towards hell.

258 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:19:01am

re: #254 Dianna

Don't we all?

When I think about the nights when Roxy Music's Avalon played in practically every dorm room, and we did lots of things most of us should never have done at all, at all, but somehow don't regret - I remember a guy in the hall begging "someone, ravish me!" (though I didn't) - I wonder if, knowing what I know now, I might not have been kinder, or at least less self-indulgent.

I think there is a lot of us out here that did things that should never have been done but don't regret that we did them. I think of it as a learning experience.

259 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:19:47am

re: #257 Neo Con since 9-11

Oh and 16 dead over there today in a clash between Pakistan military and "militants"

260 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:20:35am

re: #255 Inquisitive

I think it's the hour; 1:20 here in California.

261 Mel Lono  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:21:11am

Let's make it official.

A Dead link.

i was looking for Cassidy, but hey.. it's late.

262 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:22:20am

re: #260 Dianna

I think it's the hour; 1:20 here in California.

3:20 in Illinois.

263 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:23:01am

re: #257 Neo Con since 9-11

After al-Queda started a cross border incident between Afghanistan and Pakistan then blew up India's Kabul embassy the situation has been going down hill. Earlier today Pakistan's foreign minister declared the US military to be persona non-grata .
Generally, things are in a hand basket and accelerating towards hell.

Thanks for the info and update.

264 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:23:46am

Dianna: A bit of pensive mood music from the Motels

Suddenly Last Summer

Only The Lonely

265 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:23:48am

re: #258 Inquisitive

When one refers to something as a "learning experience", one usually means, "Man, that was stupid, and the consequences sucked. They landed short of dead bodies and jail, but they sucked. I'm glad I got out of it that lightly."

I have never refered to the many and varied oddities of my past - that I don't regret (let's not talk about my ex) - as "learning experiences."

That may say more about me than anything else.

266 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:24:20am

Wow, step out for a bit and it picks up. Good news is that youtube still had what I was looking for. Had to clean up my playlists of all the deleted videos.

/raises coffe mug in a cheers to Inquisitive, Karradine and all others.

267 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:24:34am

re: #264 MajorPribluda

Lovely stuff, if you don't ask for actual coherence!

268 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:26:08am

re: #267 Dianna

Lovely stuff, if you don't ask for actual coherence!

Zackly! It's just a mood.

269 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:26:15am

re: #257 Neo Con since 9-11

After al-Queda started a cross border incident between Afghanistan and Pakistan then blew up India's Kabul embassy the situation has been going down hill. Earlier today Pakistan's foreign minister declared the US military to be persona non-grata .
Generally, things are in a hand basket and accelerating towards hell.

Definitions of "hand basket", "hell", and "self-destruction" are all very different when it comes to Pakistan.

Interesting that they attacked the Indian Embassy. It would make more sense to me if the AQ-affiliated groups on the Indian border had tried to start something as well. Provoke India AND attempt to overthrow the Pakistani .gov from within, maybe? I.E. just flat-out destroy the country?

270 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:26:43am

re: #265 Dianna

"Experience is what you get when you don't get what you want."

271 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:27:08am

re: #266 BlueCanuck

I give up... how can you listen to DELETED music?

/huh? Oh, I get it...

272 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:27:50am

re: #269 Pawn of the Oppressor

Definitions of "hand basket", "hell", and "self-destruction" are all very different when it comes to Pakistan.

Interesting that they attacked the Indian Embassy. It would make more sense to me if the AQ-affiliated groups on the Indian border had tried to start something as well. Provoke India AND attempt to overthrow the Pakistani .gov from within, maybe? I.E. just flat-out destroy the country?

Sounds like a Hail Mary play.

273 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:29:03am

re: #269 Pawn of the Oppressor

I REALLY don't think they can logically IF-THEN reason that many links into the future... they can't PLAN something like 'flat out destroy the country'...

Just one or two if-then's at a time, Pawny

274 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:29:28am

re: #268 MajorPribluda

I'm a weird soul; I require more than mood.

How long have I been sleeping?
How long have I been drifting alone through the night?
How long have I been dreaming I could make it right,
If I just closed my eyes and tried with all my might,
To be the one you need?

That is beauty and pain and truth.

275 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:29:37am

re: #265 Dianna

When one refers to something as a "learning experience", one usually means, "Man, that was stupid, and the consequences sucked. They landed short of dead bodies and jail, but they sucked. I'm glad I got out of it that lightly."

I have never refered to the many and varied oddities of my past - that I don't regret (let's not talk about my ex) - as "learning experiences."

That may say more about me than anything else.

Yep that pretty much sums up the meaning of some of those "learning experiences" I was referring to, but all in all it was not all bad consequences. Though only 17 when I had her, I love my daughter very much and would not have changed that part of life even if I could.

276 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:29:56am

re: #269 Pawn of the Oppressor

I think that AQ is just tapping on shingles to see which ones are loose.

277 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:30:56am

re: #265 Dianna

And with THAT intro, please give a big round of applause to ... Dianna! :D

Welcome to the Club, Kiddo!

278 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:31:20am

re: #266 BlueCanuck

Wow, step out for a bit and it picks up. Good news is that youtube still had what I was looking for. Had to clean up my playlists of all the deleted videos.

/raises coffe mug in a cheers to Inquisitive, Karradine and all others.

Glad you found what you were looking for ! Cheers!

279 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:31:35am

re: #275 Inquisitive

I'm glad you got something that positive out of it.

Me? I got out of it alive, and I have some really good stories. I don't regret it, but I know I was lucky.

280 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:32:50am

re: #278 Inquisitive

Yeah, and now I am listening to my stored rock and roll. :)

281 Mel Lono  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:33:06am

re: #274 Dianna

I'm a weird soul; I require more than mood.

That is beauty and pain and truth.

Jackson Browne, one of favorites... Didnt know for sure...... Late for the sky?

282 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:33:20am

re: #277 Karridine

Ah! I never claimed to be unusual!

Um...You do know I've always claimed that any club that wanted me as a member was seriously deluded, right?

283 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:34:57am

re: #281 Mel Lono

Indeed - from the title track. One of the most painful pieces I know.

Awake again, I can't pretend
I know I'm alone
And close to the end
Of the feeling we've known.

It's an amazing piece - the entire album's like that.

284 Pawn of the Oppressor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:35:01am

re: #273 Karridine

I REALLY don't think they can logically IF-THEN reason that many links into the future... they can't PLAN something like 'flat out destroy the country'...

Just one or two if-then's at a time, Pawny

Why not? Instability is their bread and butter, and they have previously demonstrated themselves to be tactically cunning, thoroughly delusional, and utterly ignorant, all at the same time. These are the people that think they were the reason the Soviet Union fell, and who think that losing two buildings in Manhattan would be enough to economically destroy the United States. Sitting there in their respective tribal crapholes, with all kinds of friends and intel feelers extending into the Pakistani government and beyond, and seeing that a wider local conflict might bear the fruit of lawlessness which they so cherish, why not see if they can start something bigger?

285 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:35:10am

re: #280 BlueCanuck

Yeah, and now I am listening to my stored rock and roll. :)

"Give some of that Old Time Rock and Roll, kind of Music that will move your Soul".

286 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:35:29am

re: #280 BlueCanuck

Yeah, and now I am listening to my stored rock and roll. :)

Still my favorite band of all time. Steve Harris is killer.

287 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:37:21am

re: #286 rightwinger3

I like my ballads. Iron Maiden had some serious depth to their music if you actually listened to the words.

288 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:38:16am

re: #287 BlueCanuck

The problem is, they're so loud I can't disinter their lyrics from the noise.

289 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:39:13am

re: #280 BlueCanuck

Yeah, and now I am listening to my stored rock and roll. :)

Iron MaidenButterfly---In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida, use to drive my sister crazy playing that song over and over. She reminds me of it every chance she gets.(LOL)

290 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:42:05am

re: #269 Pawn of the Oppressor

Interesting that they attacked the Indian Embassy. It would make more sense to me if the AQ-affiliated groups on the Indian border had tried to start something as well. Provoke India AND attempt to overthrow the Pakistani .gov from within, maybe? I.E. just flat-out destroy the country?

I suspect both the attacks were designed to isolate Pakistan. The attack in Kabul and the cross border incident seem designed to wreck the fragile alliance between the US and Pakistan.
The attack on the Indian Embassy looks like an attempt to draw India into yet another war. Also given the recent, US/India Nuclear treaty I believe the "Militants" want to make the average Pakistani feel like the US is attacking them from both the west and the south. If the "Man on the Pakistan street" feels threatened enough they are likely to favor an Al-Qaeda type resistance
The Pakistan government isn't doing themselves any favors by trying to appease the tribal areas.

291 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:43:39am

re: #288 Dianna

Ah well. Trust me some of their music is good. For example "Alexander the Great" covers his story in about 5 minutes.

/this one has lyrics on the video.

292 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:44:08am

re: #287 BlueCanuck

I like my ballads. Iron Maiden had some serious depth to their music if you actually listened to the words.

Agreed. "Rime of the Ancient Mariner" being a case in point.

293 Mel Lono  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:44:21am
Indeed - from the title track. One of the most painful pieces I know.

It's an amazing piece - the entire album's like that.

Stay
re: #283 Dianna

Saw him at the Cow Palace during the Running on Empty tour. David Lindley on slide guitar and falsetto in the dark was classic.

294 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:46:52am

re: #291 BlueCanuck

Ah well. Trust me some of their music is good. For example "Alexander the Great" covers his story in about 5 minutes.

/this one has lyrics on the video.

Damn. Maiden rules.

295 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:48:20am

re: #291 BlueCanuck

They say that, if you're on the Aegian sea, and a storm blows up, a voice will ask, "What of Alexander?"

If you answer, "Alexander lives and is king!" You will survive.

296 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:50:03am

re: #284 Pawn of the Oppressor

You put it like THAT, it sounds depressingly possible, Pawn...

Especially undermining a country as sophisticated, knowledgeable and advanced as Pakistan... whooof!

297 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:51:46am

re: #295 Dianna

Interesting. Never heard that piece of folklore before.

/files it away in vast data bank.

Hey you never know when or if you need it. :)

298 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:52:20am

re: #296 Karridine

Forgot your sarc tag I think.

299 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:53:24am

re: #297 BlueCanuck

I got that from Robin Lane Fox.

300 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:53:48am

I have a kind of mental category of songs which I grew up with, and which sounded like love songs, but were quite the opposite. Here's one of my favorites:
Reason To Believe

301 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:54:26am

re: #297 BlueCanuck

Did I mention that, should I find myself in the Agean, I shall definitely memorize the Greek?

302 Inquisitive  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:54:36am

Well, I think I will go and lay this old head on a pillow for awhile, see if my mind will shut down for awhile. Thanks Blue and Dianna for keeping me company. Good night to all !

303 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:56:09am

re: #302 Inquisitive

Night!

304 Mel Lono  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:57:02am

re: #300 MajorPribluda

I have a kind of mental category of songs which I grew up with, and which sounded like love songs, but were quite the opposite. Here's one of my favorites:
Reason To Believe

Ah, an optimist! With a conscience.

305 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:57:12am

re: #301 Dianna
Good point, I don't think english would cut it, or at least it would have less power.

/Yes I do believe partially in some of that stuff.

re: #302 Inquisitive

Good night. May your mind finally come to rest.

306 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:57:44am

re: #300 MajorPribluda

I like that one. I also like You Wear It Well

307 laZardo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:58:36am

Gyuuuuuud afternoon, all...

308 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:59:18am

re: #298 BlueCanuck

No sarcasm meant re: Pawn's Assessment...

okay, sarcasm re Paki Stan, the Dude, the Man!

***
Listening to Brown on Load Out/Stay! playing now, background, exactly 30 years ago... 1978 was a GREAT year!

His album after breaking up with Pretty Woman was a heartbreak killer... too bad he's a Moonbat D. Luxx!

309 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:00:05am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet --------------------->
Help yourselves!

310 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:00:11am

Also in that category: Hello, It's Me

311 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:01:10am

Morning Lazardo. And Good Morning littleoldlady. What's on the buffet today?

312 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:01:14am

re: #308 Karridine

Jackson can be a complete moonbat, so long as he writes things like The Shape of a Heart.

I'll forgive him his politics, same as I forgive Steve Earle his.

313 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:02:43am

re: #308 Karridine

Listening to Brown on Load Out/Stay! playing now, background, exactly 30 years ago... 1978 was a GREAT year!

His album after breaking up with Pretty Woman was a heartbreak killer... too bad he's a Moonbat D. Luxx!

Ah well, Karridine. Good music is good music regardless of which way people lean...No Nukes!

314 littleoldlady  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:05:06am

BlueCanuck! :-)

A quickie:

Food! :-)
Dessert! :-)

/not a lot of time today
//a function of messing around the past couple of days... :-(

315 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:05:30am

Well, I am summoned to bed. Goodnight!

316 Mel Lono  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:06:04am

re: #312 Dianna

I have the same respect for Neil. He can be way off base ......"impeach the president" but write Let's Roll after 9/11.

317 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:06:08am

Another Category: Songs about or to an ex, AFTER closure:

Never Be The Same Christopher Cross

318 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:09:02am

re: #313 rightwinger3

Fountain of Sorrow underlines what you say... good music touches the heart, AND the mind, and usually ain't about nukes ... :D

319 laZardo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:11:51am

re: #317 MajorPribluda

Am I weird for having a soft spot for some good ol' power ballads?

320 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:12:12am

I mean, look at me after all... an insufferable America-loving conservative, Baha'i artist in 'lifes pain and heartache school'...

When I sing, I only want to touch the listener's heart, not sway his vote! :P

321 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:15:31am

re: #319 laZardo

LaZardio, I'll get to your entry right after I finish with Major's Chris Cross tune...

322 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:23:10am

re: #319 laZardo

Well, I don't know who the Hairy Guy is at the beginning, but that's a delicate, delightful bit of pickin' there, laZardo!

323 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:23:53am

What is this? FOURTEEN MINUTES of 'Nobody Home'?

324 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:30:28am

Just stopped by Blackfive to see what's going on. Here is the most sensible argument I've seen regarding "Election 2008" and it comes from Ireland.

325 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:33:17am

re: #322 Karridine

Well, I don't know who the Hairy Guy is at the beginning, but that's a delicate, delightful bit of pickin' there, laZardo!

Here's another hairy guy with some major pickin' chops. Hole Hearted, Extreme. I used to sing this song in a band I was in. Drummer sang backup/alt vocals.

326 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:40:34am

re: #323 Karridine

What is this? FOURTEEN MINUTES of 'Nobody Home'?

Sorry about that, work duties called. Had to deal with a new mental midget.

327 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:40:55am

re: #325 MajorPribluda

Checking it out now, Prib!

328 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:43:31am

Prtty gd, Mjr Prbld...

And vocal harmonies, too... :D

329 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:44:41am

re: #326 BlueCanuck

Ah.

Been there, done that, got the T-shirt AND the spittle on my pant-legs, Blue!

/no thanks, YOU take care of it!

330 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:55:56am

Here's a favorite, but it loads awfully slowly. Did She Mention My Name, by Gordon Lightfoot.

331 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:59:47am

and then there's the blues..............

332 laZardo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:59:54am

re: #323 Karridine

Beats seventeen minutes of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.

333 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:04:41am

re: #332 laZardo

Beats seventeen minutes of In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.

YES, it do!

334 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:06:30am

Today’s not so tricky question of the day.

What is the significance of the maps contained in the MESH post, Media mapping of Iran’s missile range,

This week, Iranian television showed missile test launches that included a new version of the Shahab-3 missile, which Tehran claims can travel 2,000 kilometers, or 1,250 miles.

as the missile range would affect and pertain to today’s post, Making Mediterranean waves?

Today (Sunday) is the inaugural conference in Paris of the Union for the Mediterranean (UfM). French President Nicholas Sarkozy, father of the idea, originally proposed a body independent of the EU, linking together all the states bordering the Mediterranean sea.

Mornin folks.

335 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:07:39am
State troopers rebuke students for singing national anthem

Dems national anthem sends security to halt patriotism in capitol rotunda...

Friend Stateside sends me these bits of Dust in the Wind...

336 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:11:42am

re: #334 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

A computer glitch here wiped out my open tabs last nite, one of which was a website arguing that IF Iran gets nukes that can be put atop their Shaddap missiles, Europe might well turn almost immediately AGAINST America, cowering in craven fear of an Iranian attack, and refusing to allow the Czech Anti-Missile defense to be emplaced, among other fear-driven actions!

When the eunuchs are that spineless, a few missiles and nukes is all Dinnerjacket needs to cow them into submission!

America and Israel must act NOW!

337 laZardo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:13:03am

re: #336 Karridine

Don't worry, Obama will change all that!

/where's my drink?

338 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:13:56am

re: #337 laZardo

The fridge is empty. Have to supply your own tonight.

339 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:15:37am

re: #337 laZardo

Where's my drink, indeed! Barkeep! More Kool-Aid here!

Obama will change Iran, and China, and NorK and Russia... Riiight!

340 laZardo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:21:20am

re: #336 Karridine

Speaking of Israel, anybody over there know what's going on with the whole corruption scandal?

I'd think that if Israel would strike within Iran, we wouldn't know about it until a while after, if you get what I mean...

341 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:34:31am

Markeep! Meep... Kool-Aid for my *hic!* friend, Nobama...

Shay it again, Buddy! I love ya when you say Help America Change Hopefully Hoping! Hopelessly Helping *hic!* ... dang... MORE KOOLAID, Barmeep!

342 laZardo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:40:48am

Here's something to wake this sleepy thread up...

343 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:48:05am

laZardo, what was the name of that guy (NOT Tom Jones) who had such great pipes? A strong voice, he was discovered when some producer heard him from inside a church?

dang...

344 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:49:17am

He sounded like Rick Roll, but I'm getting an internal flag that it was a different name...

345 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:50:59am

Ah! Rick Astley?

What's their connexion?

346 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:55:12am

re: #344 Karridine

He sounded like Rick Roll, but I'm getting an internal flag that it was a different name...

re: #345 Karridine

Um, Rick Astley IS the rick roll. :)

347 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:56:24am

Um, yeah...

I figured that out online, here, dweeb that I am.

/bare nekkid Olde Guy, blushes....

348 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:00:00am

re: #347 Karridine

I actually had a good one, let me see if I can find it.

349 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:00:59am

Here it is. Actually well done video editing.

350 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:01:11am

Waiting with bated breath, Blue...

From a sunny, breezy Sunday afternoon in quiet, suburban Bangkok...

351 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:01:56am

re: #340 laZardo

the iranians will know about it before we do


KA BOOM

352 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:02:40am

Oh! OH! That's GREAT!

What's the "Rick Rolled" joke?

353 spidly  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:14:20am

new sink is in. no sleep. off to work.

354 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:16:33am

Hey nocturnal Lizards, I just finished a story on AQ in Pakistan
Al-Qaeda attempts to force Pakistan into a Two Front War

Two recent attacks week seem designed to force the Pakistan government to chose between being overthrown by al-Qaeda or being devastated in a two front war with the US/Afghanistan on the northwest and India on the south east. Even worse members of the Pakistani government seem to be collaberating.


I'd appreciate any criticism.

355 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:24:59am

re: #354 Neo Con since 9-11

Looks good. A very succint summation of what's been happening. I think Al Q is aiming for number 2, but would settle for number 1.

356 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:27:36am

"On the northwestern front AQ or their alies groups..."
should be
On the northwestern front AQ or their allied groups..."
OR
On the northwestern front AQ or groups of their allies..."

357 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:35:52am

re: #355 BlueCanuck

Looks good. A very succint summation of what's been happening. I think Al Q is aiming for number 2, but would settle for number 1.

Thank you sir, I wasn't sure which AQ would prefer #1which would give them more deniability or #2 as it would give them more control.

358 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:39:40am

So my mom is over the other day and starts ranting about how we're in a recession. Now I wasn't going to argue that the nation is indeed faced with some tough months ahead because of the credit and mortgage crisis and some other troubling economic indicators, but having a simple BA in Economics, that she helped pay for, I explained to her the definition of a recession. "Mom, a recession is two consecutive quarters of negative growth, based on GDP." " Really" she says, well we're in for tough times, so be prepared, put a little extra away."
Obama Says Little Doubt Country In A Recession

Maybe Obama needs a dictionary. What a moron. The more I hear him speak off page, the more I realize I have more life experience and am far more well read than this blowhard. How in the world is this happening? He's like the geek in class you learn isn't really very smart at all. He just studied for exams all the time. I'm resorting to hoping for divine intervention to keep him out of office. (And frankly I'm a secular humanist)

359 Neo Con since 9-11  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:40:40am

Thank you (K/C)arridine that's been fixed and thank you too blue

360 Karridine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:43:11am

re: #359 Neo Con since 9-11

Welcome. There may be other motivations pushing al-Q, but keeping the truth FROM the Pakistanis is part of it.

Good work, keep plugging, Neo! :D

361 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:45:23am

BTW I own the domain name NYDEMSFORMCCAIN.COM but just don't have the time to get it up and running. Any volunteers? Concept was, expose Obama connections and try to lure all the Hillary voters over to McCain. I'm in Brooklyn, and the number of Obama bumper stickers on cars and houses is appalling. NY is a lost cause.

362 shanec99  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:45:24am

re: #38 Charles
Charles, please why don't you print the fools diatribe for all the world to see and explain why you banned him or her?

I think that exposing people to scrutiny has a way of making them behave. Anonymity has a way of making some people believe they have a license to misbehave.

363 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:58:24am

Charles, Re: #38 great job on those links. I am so happy to have found an online community that can't truly be defined as right or left, up or down, religious or secular. It's just SANE! Keep up the great work, I never thought their were others like myself out there until I started reading your site.

It is such a joke, that the MSM can't bring themselves to take the label off of LGF as a Right wing, or conservative blog. You do support some of the agenda of such beliefs, but it is clear to me you report what the MSM runs from. The truth.

Not Palestinian propaganda, not religious zealotry, just plain and obvious facts they seem to ignore.

God Bless You (LOL)

P.S. I'm a film director. I would love to make a film about, you, LGF, and the impending death of the MSM.

364 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:58:26am

re: #358 steveoh

Obama sounds like he is endorsing supply side economics.

365 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:07:37am

re: #358 steveoh

Lots of people need a dictionary. Especially the media that has been pushing for a recession for more than a year, but have been interrupted by facts. So, now recession is defined as how people feel rather than two consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth.

Because the fact that the economy is strong despite the housing market readjustments would really put a crimp in the media's worldview (and add to the fact that they were flat out wrong about the situation in Iraq).

366 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:08:11am

re: #364 n in wi

Obama sounds like he is endorsing supply side economics.

Obama would support supply side economics if he thought he could use it to win the election. Then, he'd throw it under the bus.

367 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:12:18am

re: #366 lawhawk

How big is that bus of Obama's? It has to have a lot of ground clearance with everything going under it. It must look like one of those monster trucks that run over cars.

368 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:13:41am

It is freaking COLD this morning in Kansas City Missouri! It is now 60 degrees...it was probably mid-50's overnight!

WHEREZAT GLOBAL WARMING?

369 Pullus Iulius  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:14:20am

re: #366 lawhawk

I remember a student council election in my childhood when the (losing) campaign slogan was "I promise absolutely everything." Now, with BO, life imitates artlessness.

370 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:17:38am

re: #369 Pullus Iulius

I remember a student council election in my childhood when the (losing) campaign slogan was "I promise absolutely everything." Now, with BO, life imitates artlessness.

I liked the Happy Days episode where Richie ran for Student Council President, promising among other things to have the lines in the student parking lot angled because "I'm sure everyone agrees that angled parking spaces are a lot easier to get into."

He lost to his opponent who promised "shorter classes, and beer on campus!"

371 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:22:11am

It will be interesting [yet predictable], to see the MSM coverage on the Sunday A.M. shows on Tony Snow's death. Will he be given the same degree of honor that Tim Russert was? Both were fair reporters.

372 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:22:39am

NASDAQ
New 52 Week Highs 12
Advancing Issues 1358
New 52 Week Lows 363
Declining Issues 1467

NYSE
New 52 Week Highs 11
Advancing Issues 1106
New 52 Week Lows 775
Declining Issues 2097

If that's strong, hate to see bare!

373 lizardbennet  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:23:43am

Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I find the Islamist's loathing of dogs to be offensive and sinister.

374 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:25:11am

re: #372 akak

The markets this past week got spooked by the whole housing mess spilling over into Fannie and Freddie. That's why the markets went down hard. And it's only been the last week when you could officially claim that there's a bear market. That's after months upon months of the media reporting that the economy is in a downturn.

Report something long enough, and it eventually comes true.

Meanwhile, how long do we have to wait before this comes true.

375 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:27:38am

re: #373 lizardbennet

"never trust a man who mistreats a dog"
Abe Lincoln. Or W.C. Fields. Or maybe Yogi Berra.

376 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:28:54am

re: #375 n in wi

"never trust a man who mistreats a dog"
Abe Lincoln. Or W.C. Fields. Or maybe Yogi Berra.

Cats are fair game, though. LOL

/ducking

377 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:29:35am

Good morning, Lizards!

Lizard Prayer List 7/13/08
Prayers for thanks, praise, comfort, strength, healing, and hope

Seeking Updates

Many thanks to Ben Z and Cap'n Doc for starting this.

Thanksgivings
GeeWiz: granddaughter Avery is home and well
loppyd: nephew with Type I Diabetes doing well
The Albatross: enough clients to cover medical expenses

Health issues:
AKAK: Parkinson’s diagnosis confirmed
eaglewingz08: intestinal cancer; has bad case of Grave’s disease, thyroid disorder
Vxbush: being tested for wheat allergy
MiguelinMexico: recovering from stroke
Noamsayin: niece and dad battling cancer
Truck Monkey: Brady (11-year-old with brain cancer who is on the football team he coaches)
Pvt Bin Jammin: best friend is terminally ill with COPD
Shaky Louie: chronic pancriatitis, and an (as yet) undiagnosed liver problem.
loppyd: step-father undergoing treatment for colon cancer
Macker: health issues and treatment
newsjunkie_ky: Step-Dad
Sarah: dad (cancer);
Zonie: cancer and renal failure
Jorline: father who has colon cancer
Pro-Bush Canuck: sister’s illness
LanceKates: dad’s continued recovery from surgery
Ma Sands: daughter dealing with postpartum issues
Tarkus289: father is in hospital; may have pneumonia after two strokes and stage 7 Alzheimer'
kcladderman: father’s throat cancer; just finisher second round of radiation
Clutch: 82-year-old mom’s recovery from eye surgery
realwest: cancer; mom Type II diabetes
BBev: wife’s illness and great pain; recovering from surgery that did not help
Kenneth: beloved daughter "M" serious chronic illness.
Babbazee: ancillary health problems
Cartman: liver and other health problems
Irene NYC: mom’s cancer
EC Marm: wife is hurt
Lucius Septimius: mother
Storagemanager: copd (chronic obstructive pulmonary disease)
BenZacharia: wifffeee’s recovery from surgery
USMC1968: cancer

Family, friend, and life situations:
Vxbush: daughter traveling overseas
Jammiewearingfool: sister’s passing
Typicalwhitey: family & neighbors dealing with flooding
CoCo: mother paralyzed (due to strokes) and is now having new health problems
SavageNation
Lucius Septimus: healing of hurts
David Simon: mom (Alzheimer's)
Sarah: and her husband in the process of moving to Arizona for husband’s schooling
Intrepid: Mom has Alzheimer's and Intrepid is caretaker
wolfie: nephew (USAR) who is being sent into the thick of things in Iraq.
conservgirl: atheist SPM, that he finds the Lord
Lizards with family issues
Hayseed: extended family challenges
Maximus: son reports for active duty in August.
Noraono: colleagues laid off in building industry
antiislamist: in need of prayers
lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids; losing cousin and aunt within 4 months
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

Community issues:
Those dealing with the flooding in the Midwest
Gilad Schalit, Ehud Goldwasser, Eldad Regev, for their release.
The families of John Young and Ron Withrow and those of the contractors still held hostage
Ezra Levant and Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

378 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:30:14am

re: #247 Neo Con since 9-11

I'm still checking in here at LGF but I'm mostly watching Pakistan meltdown

It's amazing what a difference a little bit of will and the help of U.S. troops can do. Look at how Iraq is destroying al-Qaeda and becoming ever more stable and secure.

The stupid Pakistanis, after a few weeks of al-Qaeda and the Taliban ruling over them, will be begging for salvation from the U.S. Of course none will be forthcoming, since al-Q and the Taliban will have nukes.

379 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:30:36am

What did they put in the kool-aid this weekend? Olmert is running on about Peas in our Thyme and the Dwarf wants US to open an office downtown.

Morning all from warm and sunny Moonbatachusetts.

Memo to self: in future, when choice is between beach full of Revolutionary War re-enactors firing muskets and beach full of small kids, choose former. Much quieter.

380 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:31:51am

re: #376 loppyd

Cats are fair game, though. LOL

/ducking

(Glaring) I BEG your pardon?

;)

381 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:32:16am

re: #379 infidelia

What did they put in the kool-aid this weekend? Olmert is running on about Peas in our Thyme and the Dwarf wants US to open an office downtown.

Morning all from warm and sunny Moonbatachusetts.

Memo to self: in future, when choice is between beach full of Revolutionary War re-enactors firing muskets and beach full of small kids, choose former. Much quieter.

LOL!

382 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:32:27am

re: #377 goddessoftheclassroom

Thank you once again for posting this. It helps.

383 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:33:35am

re: #374 lawhawk

This will never become true. Can you say nuclear subs armed with nuclear tipped warheads waiting for the orders.

Here this loud and clear Lizards, Israel under any warped Gov't will only take so much. When she strikes it will be so unlike the Lebanon fiasco, the world won't know how to respond. We're talking the end of the Iranian Mullah regime and Hezbollah and any of the other crazy 11th Imam Shia's.

Be warned "good" citizens of Syria, Lebanon and Iran, many many many of you are about to be sacrificed by the actions of your insane leaders.

After this Hamas, will be like sweeping the last tiny bits of garbage into the dustpan.

384 Dar ul Harb  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:33:55am

re: #358 steveoh


Obama Says Little Doubt Country In A Recession

Maybe Obama needs a dictionary. What a moron. The more I hear him speak off page, the more I realize I have more life experience and am far more well read than this blowhard. How in the world is this happening? He's like the geek in class you learn isn't really very smart at all. He just studied for exams all the time. I'm resorting to hoping for divine intervention to keep him out of office. (And frankly I'm a secular humanist)

I think you've just discovered one of the unifying themes of LGF, which zombie commented on indirectly earlier.

This is a blog defending rationalism. Islam is certainly the largest, most violent group of irrational actors out there, but it's not the only irrationality LGF has become concerned with. The 9/11 "troofers", the racists and anti-semites working their way into national politics (from the right or left), those who would invoke science for political ends (whether global warmers or ID advocates), multiculturalists who would excuse the irrational violence of jihad and surrender the West, these have all received attention at one time or another.

And for people to make rational decisions in our democracy, one has to ensure that the evidence and information underlying those decisions is as accurate and unbiased as possible. The other major LGF theme of challenging media bias and media fraud and fauxtography is connected with that.

The cult of personality surrounding the presumptive Democratic nominee is remarkable in its irrationality, and has been commented upon here, just as the cult of personality surrounding Ron Paul has been.

Those who have a rational contribution to make and can defend their arguments honestly and courteously are welcome at LGF.

For the rest, the ban stick awaits...

385 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:35:07am

re: #382 kenneth

Thank you once again for posting this. It helps.

You are welcome; this is my privilege.

386 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:35:15am

re: #374 lawhawk

Now I get it.
Read the comments and you can see.
It's all America's fault.
Such a simple answer to the complex world.
Bush sucks
America sucks
But I bet it will all be perfect,like it was under Clinton, if we vote for a Democrat.

387 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:37:26am

Yes we can... can't we?

ABC News asked a panel of military logistical experts about Obama's pleadge to withdraw from Iraq within 16 months. Even if they started immediately after innaugeration day, the professional opinion is that it would not be possible.

The Candidate will probably pivot on this issue as well; but the sheer physical impracticability of his plans means his staff didn’t do their homework well. Don’t we all laugh when Bruno Ganz, playing Hitler in the movie Downfall, gives orders for attacks by nonexistent armies and instructs his commanders to perform impossible evolutions? Obama is no Hitler, but he is running for the position of Commander in Chief and it is somewhat embarrassing for him not only to have promised — but to have run for office on the basis of an order of doubtful feasibility. Then what happens if, as is possible, trouble starts in the middle of a withdrawal with these thousands of vehicles on the road?

Of course Obama was not alone in demanding this. An entire ideological movement has made the logistically impossible the cornerstone of their political platform, some even suggesting that troops be pulled back as far as Okinawa. Since neither Obama nor all of his followers can be considered stupid the reason for these impossible demands must be that they either have not given the matter serious thought or simply engaging in an “I want” moment, where you don’t care about feasibility. You simply demand that something take place: I want world peace, I want a world without military expenditures, I want guaranteed health care and I want Jerusalem to be the capital of a united Israel and Palestine. The danger with the slogan “yes we can” is that sometime you can’t.

During the Vietnam War there was a lot of talk about the “limits of American power”; and I’ve always wondered whether this was subject to the same constraints that govern the limits of liberal fantasy.

388 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:38:05am

re: #376 loppyd

Cats are fair game, though. LOL

/ducking

Loppy! The Barry-in-a-turban sticker is still up. Apparently nobody wants to bother to back up and peel it off. Like the say, location, location, location.

389 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:38:47am

re: #380 goddessoftheclassroom

(Glaring) I BEG your pardon?

;)


Kidding!

Oh and good morning!

390 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:39:33am

re: #388 infidelia

Loppy! The Barry-in-a-turban sticker is still up. Apparently nobody wants to bother to back up and peel it off. Like the say, location, location, location.

Nice! I may be heading over there later....

391 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:43:06am

re: #389 loppyd

Kidding!

Oh and good morning!

{loppyd}

Good morning to you, too!

pre-Boomer Marine Brat and I have this ongoing schick about cats vs. dogs. I can also count on Mandy Manners to chime in with "Cats rule, dogs drool."

392 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:44:05am

Logistics Contra Obama

Trucks. Ships. Planes. Moving people and things. Why, geography– and we’re not talking a mind glitch like 57 states. This is about a basic understanding of material reality, not political poetry. Obama may move hearts with a well-turned phrase, and get Chris Matthews knees to tingle, but how good is he at scheduling convoys? The image the hard left has of a US withdrawal is a helicopter fetching fleeing staff from the top of the Saigon, Vietnam embassy. That’s the liturgical icon of the “withdraw now” crowd. Of course I think Obama will “refine” his Iraqi policy so that it becomes something very much like–well, like Bush’s.

We’ve an emerging success in Iraq –the Strategic Overwatch scenario in this post provides an analytic a projection. This success has been building for four years and unfortunately it will take a decade for politicized passions to cool before the sober reassessment occurs. Then we’ll be bombarded with theses and books and a few mea culpas about the trail of successes evident amid the failures, the dead, the bombs, the terror. In war the enemy gets a vote. The good guys also get a vote. Over time the votes mount up, the destruction mounts, but so does the construction. In Iraq the construction by the Iraqi people and the coalition is mounting. In Iraq the enemy –Al Qaeda, the Saddamists, Shia gangsters– had the tactically “easy” route: destruction and chaos designed to obtain psychologically damaging headlines and spread fear and doubt. The Iraqi people and the coalition had to construct as well as fight. That’s tough tactically and operationally but strategically wise.

393 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:45:35am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

{loppyd}

Good morning to you, too!

pre-Boomer Marine Brat and I have this ongoing schick about cats vs. dogs. I can also count on Mandy Manners to chime in with "Cats rule, dogs drool."

Dogs rule. Cats think they are too cool.

394 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:46:21am

re: #384 Dar ul Harb

I agree 100 percent and am proud to be a part of the community.

395 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:46:29am

re: #393 loppyd

If cats could talk, they still wouldn't bother.

396 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:46:56am

re: #395 kenneth

If cats could talk, they still wouldn't bother.

LOL

So true.

397 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:47:03am

re: #391 goddessoftheclassroom

Cats rule, dogs drool.

398 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:47:50am

re: #393 loppyd

Dogs rule. Cats think they are too cool.

Dogs live with you. Cats allow you to live with them.

399 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:47:54am

re: #376 loppyd

Cats are fair game, though. LOL

/ducking

my cat can read i think watch out loppyd you will soon be on the international cat hit list.

MEEOOOWWWWW!


P.S. she is sharping her claws right now.

400 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:48:52am

re: #395 kenneth

If cats could talk, they still wouldn't bother.

LOL!

I ADORE cats. It's hardwired into me somehow. My family didn't have cats when I was little, but I wanted one very badly. I pestered my mom constantly and in a moment of exasperation she told me if I was good and stopped bugging her, I could have one when I was ten (I was six at the time). I shut up.

I got a cat when I was 10, and there's been at least one in my household ever since.

401 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:49:08am

cats were demi g-ds in egypt
THEY HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN.

402 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:49:37am

re: #397 MandyManners

Cats rule, dogs drool.

{MandyManners}

403 WriterMom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:50:30am

Good morning

404 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:50:59am

re: #383 steveoh

I agree with the point of your post, however, Israel does not have any nuclear powered subs. They do however have a fleet of modern deisel electric subs outfitted to fire nuclear armed cuise missiles. Given Iran's difficulty in their recent missile tests, they would likely miss their target while inviting sure anihilation by launching on Israel.

405 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:51:22am

Forget Obama's religion for a moment, and try figuring out what he believes in. Newsweek tries that tact out. And I think it reinforces the fact that Wright and Obama are tied at the hip.

406 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:51:31am

For any Lizards who are not acquainted with LOLcats, treat yourselves:

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

There is also a companion site for dogs, but why bother?

407 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:52:10am

re: #384 Dar ul Harb

Those who have a rational contribution to make and can defend their arguments honestly and courteously are welcome at LGF.

Oh shit.

408 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:52:29am

re: #399 yochanan

my cat can read i think watch out loppyd you will soon be on the international cat hit list.

MEEOOOWWWWW!


P.S. she is sharping her claws right now.

I'm allergic and don't feel the love.

409 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:52:36am

re: #400 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm very fond of cats but my wife can't stand them. We remain petless.

410 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:53:04am

Rush on Fox & Friends now.

411 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:53:40am

re: #403 WriterMom

Good morning, WM! What's new?

412 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:53:50am

re: #404 kenneth

Caught that after reading the post. I know the subs are not run on nuclear power. My bad. But certainly the Mullahs must be praying for their 11th Imam a little more these days.

413 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:54:17am

ESP WHEN IT IS -10 DEGREES OUT that i have a cat and not a dog.

besides it is nice to have a mouse free apt.

414 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:54:37am

Rasmussen has Barry & McCain tied at 43%.

415 WriterMom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:55:06am

re: #411 kenneth

Oh the usual...work, kids, blah blah.

I am trying to escape a satanic boss-I'll know more next week.

416 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:58:33am

re: #412 steveoh

Unfortunately, with Ahmadinejad Mutually Assured Destruction is not a deterent, it's an inducement.

417 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:58:56am

re: #413 yochanan

ESP WHEN IT IS -10 DEGREES OUT that i have a cat and not a dog.

besides it is nice to have a mouse free apt.

If you have a yard and a good dog you don't have to go out with them.

418 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:59:54am

WriterMom

Still have a Boston trip on the horizon?

419 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:00:01am

re: #415 WriterMom

You have a Satanic boss? Don't forget to wear a string of garlic round our neck. Are you trying to move your job (again)?

420 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:00:08am

Annnnd I am back. I hate work and fire alarm testing. Maybe I should put in for PTSD. Every time the bells go off I cringe. :(

/seriously

421 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:01:10am

re: #420 BlueCanuck

Annnnd I am back. I hate work and fire alarm testing. Maybe I should put in for PTSD. Every time the bells go off I cringe. :(

/seriously

{BlueCanuck}

My hearing is very acute, and alarms give me a terrible headache. I feel your pain.

422 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:01:47am

I dreamed I was a reporter again, covering a BHO rally.

423 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:02:18am

re: #422 MandyManners

Dream? That sounds like a nightmare.

424 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:02:39am

I'm not a "cat person", but I did hear a good joke cat lovers may enjoy.
A dog was out wondering in the woods doing what dogs do, looking for something to roll in,or lift it's leg on.
Not paying particular attention to where it was stepping, the dog stepped in a trap.
Time passed and eventually a cat came strolling up to the entrapped dog.
The cat in it's typical snobby nature said,"Why don't you just chew your leg off and be on your way?"
The dog replied,"I already tried that three time and I'm still stuck!"

425 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:02:55am

re: #422 MandyManners

I dreamed I was a reporter again, covering a BHO rally.

I dreamed an entire murder mystery, including hiding a dead body and blackmail. Very creepy...

426 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:03:00am

Silence!

Bobby Flay is on.

427 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:03:32am

re: #424 n in wi

I'm not a "cat person", but I did hear a good joke cat lovers may enjoy.
A dog was out wondering in the woods doing what dogs do, looking for something to roll in,or lift it's leg on.
Not paying particular attention to where it was stepping, the dog stepped in a trap.
Time passed and eventually a cat came strolling up to the entrapped dog.
The cat in it's typical snobby nature said,"Why don't you just chew your leg off and be on your way?"
The dog replied,"I already tried that three time and I'm still stuck!"

I've GOT to get pre-Boomer Marine Brat to see this!

428 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:03:47am

re: #416 kenneth

Unfortunately, with Ahmadinejad Mutually Assured Destruction is not a deterent, it's an inducement.


True with that whack job it is. But I think some of the mullahs may be moderately sane.

So, yesterday hubby finds a fledgling robin that had fallen out of the nest. We couldn't get to the nest. Animal control told me to build one, which I did in a little paper bowl with some grass, etc. I put it in a fork in the same tree that I could reach. It even accepted some water. Sure enough, within in hour its mother showed up and fed it.

Three hours later it fell out again! I went outside to put it back in and it kept jumping out. Then 2 absolutely hysterical robins showed up and dive bombed the hell out of me. I had to retreat.

Now we can't find it. Damn.

429 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:03:47am

re: #422 MandyManners

I dreamed I was a reporter again, covering a BHO rally.

Are you the one asking him uncomfortable questions?

430 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:05:01am

Torror plot poll

Most people in Ontario are convinced that an alleged terror plot foiled in the summer of 2006 was a serious threat, according to a poll by Angus Reid Strategies. 59 per cent of respondents in Canada’s most populous province think that the so-called Toronto 18 really planned to attack the cities of Toronto and Ottawa.

The alleged terror plot was a fantasy: 13%

The alleged terror plot was serious: 59%

Not sure: 28%

Does this mean only 13% of Ontarians are moonbats? I'm impressed!

431 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:05:50am

Michelle Obama, out of touch with the electorate. What else is new?

But what it also did today for Senator Obama, it covered up a couple of things on his own campaign that he didn't want to be leading the program tonight, Michelle Obama out today talking about these rebates don't amount to much, $600. Well, you just go out there and spend that on a pair of earrings.

Well, you know, a lot of people don't buy $600 earrings. So, this story smothered those kinds of things. And I think this was a real gift to Barack Obama. [Link: transcripts.cnn.com...]


About 1/4 down the page. Buried.

432 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:06:03am

Got to get ready for church. See y'all later!

433 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:06:52am

re: #431 ec marm

I have never in my life spent $600 in earrings.

434 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:06:56am

re: #430 kenneth

Torror plot poll


Does this mean only 13% of Ontarians are moonbats? I'm impressed!

Damn those torrorists!

But tourists are worse.

435 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #430 kenneth

I bet the majority of the 13% and 28% were from the Toronto and Ottawa areas.

/major moonbats in both areas.

436 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:07:17am

re: #422 MandyManners

Did he call you sweety in your dream/nightmare?

437 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:07:34am
If dogs could talk it would take a lot of fun out of owning one.
- - - Andy Rooney

Good morning!

438 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:07:53am

re: #423 BlueCanuck

Dream? That sounds like a nightmare.

It was definitely weird.

439 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:08:32am

re: #425 goddessoftheclassroom

I dreamed an entire murder mystery, including hiding a dead body and blackmail. Very creepy...

I useta' do that when I was into Poirot.

440 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:08:32am

Which of the two United States presidential candidares would be better for Israel?

John McCain (R)
46%

Barack Obama (D)
20%

No difference
9%

Not sure
25%

441 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:08:36am

The alleged blue cloud free sky was a fantasy: 13%
The alleged blue cloud free was obvious: 59%

Not sure: 28%

fixed

442 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:09:09am

re: #431 ec marm

Michelle Obama, out of touch with the electorate. What else is new?

About 1/4 down the page. Buried.

Michelle, I spent mine on tires. If you're not using yours, I could use some new earrings though.

If no one has nominated Michelle for Wikkid Beyatch of the Left, let me be the first.

443 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:09:22am

re: #435 BlueCanuck

not so many moonbats up in sudberry eh?

444 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:09:35am

re: #440 yochanan

How can 25% not be sure?

445 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:09:49am

re: #429 Bobblehead

Are you the one asking him uncomfortable questions?

Yes, I was. He was very cold.

446 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:10:34am

re: #439 MandyManners

I useta' do that when I was into Poirot.

Don't you hate when that happens and it's someone you know that you murdered and you feel like you had to be real nice to them for about a week?

447 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:10:45am

re: #445 MandyManners

Yes, I was. He was very cold.

No 'sweeties" for you young lady.

448 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:11:12am

re: #444 n in wi

How can 25% not be sure?


Canadians suffer from BDS too!

449 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:11:35am

re: #431 ec marm

Michelle Obama, out of touch with the electorate. What else is new?

About 1/4 down the page. Buried.

More proof that WAB is out of touch with most Americans.

450 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:11:53am

re: #428 wahabicorridor

It's a metaphor. The flegling is the new Iraq. The nest you built is their fragile democracy. The dive-bombing robins who attacked you for helping the flegling are the Democrats.

451 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:12:10am

re: #425 goddessoftheclassroom

I dreamed an entire murder mystery, including hiding a dead body and blackmail. Very creepy...

I always have very very strange disconnected dreams. All I remember about the one I had last night is being on my way to the airport to fly out of the country and realizing I didn't have my passport. Then the next thing I know I'm getting my niece out of a car trunk where she'd been locked in for a day or so.

I don't remember why she was in the car trunk in the first place...

452 jorline  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:12:30am
453 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:12:30am

re: #436 n in wi

Did he call you sweety in your dream/nightmare?

No! He was pissed at me 'cause I was deferential.

454 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:12:49am

The son of the late Shah of Iran, living in the U.S., with his thoughts on the Islamic Republic of Iran:

“In my opinion, the only thing that will force the regime to change its behaviour is not any carrot you're dangling from the outside or any threat to strike them with weapons to neutralize their military capabilities. The biggest fear over which [the leaders] lose sleep overnight is the fear that one day the people on the street will rise against them.” [Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]


Never gonna happen in my opinion.

455 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:12:51am

re: #442 infidelia

If no one has nominated Michelle for Wikkid Beyatch of the Left, let me be the first.

I'm afraid my vote would go to Pelosi.

456 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:13:32am

re: #446 infidelia

Don't you hate when that happens and it's someone you know that you murdered and you feel like you had to be real nice to them for about a week?

That's never happened to me.

457 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:13:44am

re: #443 yochanan

*snicker* What the miners, hunters, workers? They may vote NDP, but only because they are good union boys and girls. But start talking about taking their guns away . . . . . . .

/that would definitely cause problems for hunting season.

458 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:14:18am

re: #447 Bobblehead

No 'sweeties" for you young lady.

That's okay. I ate crackers last night.

459 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:15:00am

Is there something wrong if one doesn't have dreams?

460 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:15:22am

re: #451 Tigger2005

I always have very very strange disconnected dreams. All I remember about the one I had last night is being on my way to the airport to fly out of the country and realizing I didn't have my passport. Then the next thing I know I'm getting my niece out of a car trunk where she'd been locked in for a day or so.

I don't remember why she was in the car trunk in the first place...

Maybe she was kidnapped and you were flying to deliver the ransom.

461 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:15:26am

re: #450 kenneth

It's a metaphor. The flegling is the new Iraq. The nest you built is their fragile democracy. The dive-bombing robins who attacked you for helping the flegling are the Democrats.


Damn! I knew I was good but..................

LOL!

462 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:15:57am

Good morning all y'all - from a pleasant (72 degrees going up to 94 degrees) bright and sunny - though supposed to be T-Storms later - Charlotte!

How is everyone this fine morning?

463 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:15:59am

re: #434 Tigger2005

My bad, more coffee.

464 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:16:24am

Gotta' get The Kid ready for church. bbiab

465 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:17:01am

re: #453 MandyMannersDid you have the audacity to ask him to take a stand on a policy?

466 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:17:32am

re: #444 n in wi

The Canadian media has been doig the best to distort, obfuscate & lie about the story. It's working.

467 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:17:43am

re: #444 n in wi

20% of israeli vote is arab.
liberal jews are not sure. I am sure the arab voters are for obama

468 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:18:31am

re: #459 gettinby

Is there something wrong if one doesn't have dreams?

I rarely remember my dreams.

469 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:19:13am

even though the american media is in the tank for obama the most current poll has it tied. and given that obama tends to over poll this is good news for John McCain.

470 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:20:03am

re: #454 ec marm

The son of the late Shah of Iran, living in the U.S., with his thoughts on the Islamic Republic of Iran:

Never gonna happen in my opinion.

And yet it seems that is exactly what the "western" countries are waiting for.

/Just can't count on a good revolution anymore.

471 jorline  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:20:04am

Good morning RW...I hope you're well this morning.

472 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:20:04am

Morning realwest! Did you talk to Miguel yesterday? How is he?

473 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:22:34am

re: #468 loppyd

I rarely remember my dreams.

Good morning loppyd!

I stopped remembering my dreams quite a few years ago. It seems that I actually get a better night's sleep.

474 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:22:48am

I hate it when you find yourself in the middle of a really good dream and wake up only to find that your subconscious won't cooperate and pick up where you left off when you go back to sleep. It's like reading an excellent novel and finding the last page missing. Very frustrating.

475 jorline  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:23:25am
476 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:23:53am

Good morning realwest. I hope you're feeling fine this morning. I was up early with the lad, who has a bad cold, while my wife sleeps in. The deal is I get a nap latter in the day.

477 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:24:02am

Good morning {realwest}!

Thank you so much for forwarding all of our good wishes to Miguel.

478 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:24:05am

re: #465 n in wi

Did you have the audacity to ask him to take a stand on a policy?

I don't recall that level of detail but, I do know he grew cold when I asked him to explain something contradictory.

479 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:24:20am

re: #474 Bobblehead

Actually worse, you do go back asleep and it goes in a totally different direction with new characters.

480 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:25:08am

re: #469 yochanan

even though the american media is in the tank for obama the most current poll has it tied. and given that obama tends to over poll this is good news for John McCain.

Rasmussen daily has them at 43% each.

And:

McCain is now viewed favorably by 56% of voters, Obama by 54%. Obama receives unfavorable reviews from 44% of voters while McCain is viewed unfavorably by 41%. McCain earns favorable ratings from 32% of Democrats while Obama is viewed favorably by 22% of Republicans. Among unaffiliated voters, McCain is viewed favorably by 58%, Obama by 54%.

Opinions are more strongly held about Obama than McCain--29% have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama while 27% have a Very Unfavorable view. For McCain, those numbers are 17% Very Favorable and 18% Very Unfavorable (see recent daily favorables). Among unaffiliated voters, 18% have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama and 16% say the same about McCain.

It is interesting to note that 55% of Democrats have a Very Favorable opinion of Obama while just 33% of Republicans are that enthusiastic about their nominee. However, 86% of Republicans have at least a somewhat favorable opinion of McCain while only 80% of Democrats have such an opinion of Obama. Other key stats on the race can be found at Obama-McCain: By the Numbers.

481 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:25:23am

re: #474 Bobblehead

I hate it when you find yourself in the middle of a really good dream and wake up only to find that your subconscious won't cooperate and pick up where you left off when you go back to sleep. It's like reading an excellent novel and finding the last page missing. Very frustrating.

I hardly ever have that problem. I can even go to the bathroom and still pick back up when I go back to sleep.

482 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:26:13am
"Cats are smarter than dogs. You can't get eight cats to pull a sled through snow." - Jeff Valdez

Personally, I like dogs better than cats, but this one is f-u-n-n-y!

483 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:26:46am

re: #473 gettinby

Good morning loppyd!

I stopped remembering my dreams quite a few years ago. It seems that I actually get a better night's sleep.

Good Morning!

The only dreams I remember are nightmares. Wicked bizaah.

484 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:27:20am

re: #470 gettinby

And yet it seems that is exactly what the "western" countries are waiting for.

/Just can't count on a good revolution anymore.


The only reason I can imagine why he (the former Prince) would speak in that manner is that he has no desire to climb back into that rats nest of a country. There really is no serious opposition in Iran. Think of WWII Japan.

485 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:27:45am

re: #471 jorline Good morning back atcha - I'm doing ok this morning, thanks, how's about you? How are you doing?

486 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:28:38am

re: #481 MandyManners

I hardly ever have that problem. I can even go to the bathroom and still pick back up when I go back to sleep.

Wow, you've got an exceptionally disciplined subconscious.

487 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:29:21am

re: #455 wahabicorridor

I'm afraid my vote would go to Pelosi.

re: #483 loppyd

Good Morning!

The only dreams I remember are nightmares. Wicked bizaah.

Especially the ones where you wake up and you're not sure for a few moments whether you have to go do something about something...

488 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:29:35am
Michelle Obama out today talking about these rebates don't amount to much, $600. Well, you just go out there and spend that on a pair of earrings.

I sure hope that the blogosphere can push this to the MSM. This is *exactly* what people need to hear her saying.

489 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:30:42am

Mullen robably didn't just drop in for a cup of chai tea...

With violence in Afghanistan surging, the top U.S. military officer made an unannounced visit to Pakistan's capital to press Pakistani leaders to crack down on the militants destabilizing both countries.

Adm. Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, met with Pakistan's military and civilian leadership Saturday amid mounting U.S. concerns about a sudden spike in insurgent activity inside Afghanistan. More American forces now die in Afghanistan than in Iraq and the number of Taliban attacks has increased markedly in recent months.

Speculation: Bush usually sent Cheney as his "Bad Cop" to Rice's "Good Cop". Did he send Mullen because Cheney is not well enough for long travel?

490 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:31:06am

re: #472 wahabicorridor
Good morning wahabi! No, Miguel and I are supposed to talk TONIGHT at around 8:30 but now I don't know; just received an e-mail from him - well it was received at 3:40AM my time that he had had a long sleep and was afraid he was wrong about when to call me - that he thought it was about four hours from when he sent his e-mail.
Damn.
I've e-mailed him to say I'll make it a point to be here all day and he can call me anytime or if he e-mails me his phone number I can call him anytime he'd like me to. Since I just sent that e-mail about 15 minutes ago, I obviously haven't received a reply as yet.

491 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:32:02am

Washington Post - 12 chapter series

WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY

It was above 80 degrees, the start of another steamy summer day in Washington. At 8:58 on the morning of July 25, 2001, three D.C. police sergeants gathered 28 cadets along Glover Road in Rock Creek Park. They were looking for any trace of a government intern named Chandra Ann Levy.

The 24-year-old woman from California, with hazel eyes and a head full of unruly brown curls, had left her Dupont Circle apartment and then simply disappeared. She had been missing for 85 days, and the search for her had captivated the city and the nation. Her laptop computer's history showed that she was interested in visiting the vast 1,750-acre park on the day she vanished.

492 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:32:44am

re: #487 infidelia

Especially the ones where you wake up and you're not sure for a few moments whether you have to go do something about something...

YES! Hate that.

493 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:32:47am

I haven't seen Mama Winger around here in a while. Anyone hear from her? Hope her health is ok.

494 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:32:53am

re: #476 kenneth
Good morning my friend - it must suck to have a child who's not feeling well, but I think you got the best part of the deal - naps are vastly underrated! LOL!

495 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:33:05am

Good Morning Lizards. Wuzzzzzup?
Bill Salmon was just on FNC disusing McCain's reaction to Phil Grahams "Whiners" comments. He segued into the propensity of McCain to 'Toss Conservatives Under the Bus," while cutting all kinds of slack for Liberal Democrats.
Can;t really argue with that. Guess thats why he comes across as a 'Maverick", but I don't like it

496 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:34:42am

Hamlet's Cat's Soliloquy
by William Shakespeare's Cat

To go outside, and there perchance to stay
Or to remain within: that is the question:
Whether 'tis better for a cat to suffer
The cuffs and buffets of inclement weather
That Nature rains on those who roam abroad,

Or take a nap upon a scrap of carpet,
And so by dozing melt the solid hours
That clog the clock's bright gears with sullen time
And stall the dinner bell.

To sit, to stare
Outdoors, and by a stare to seem to state
A wish to venture forth without delay,
Then when the portal's opened up, to stand
As if transfixed by doubt.

To prowl; to sleep;
To choose not knowing when we may once more
Our readmittance gain: aye, there's the hairball;
For if a paw were shaped to turn a knob,
Or work a lock or slip a window-catch,
And going out and coming in were made
As simple as the breaking of a bowl,
What cat would bear the household's petty plagues,
The cook's well-practiced kicks, the butler's broom,
The infant's careless pokes, the tickled ears,
The trampled tail, and all the daily shocks
That fur is heir to, when, of his own free will,
He might his exodus or entrance make
With a mere mitten?

497 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:35:08am

re: #493 Bobblehead

I haven't seen Mama Winger around here in a while. Anyone hear from her? Hope her health is ok.


She checked into my blog a couple days ago. She's over at Babba's a lot. I think she feels a little offended by the I.D. threads.

498 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:35:40am

re: #489 kenneth

Did he send Mullen because Cheney is not well enough for long travel?

Speculation here, too. No. He sent Mullen because he wants to hear what a soldier is seeing.

499 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:36:01am

re: #480 {loppyd} Hey good morning good looking! I think it's waaay too soon to be looking at polls as other than entertainment - indeed almost any time is too soon- remember there were at least two polls in November of 2004 that predicted a BIG win for Kerry - even on election day most polls had Kerry winning big and we know where that went!
HOw are you doing today?

500 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:36:12am

re: #494 realwest

We're watching Bugs Bunny right now. Not a bad way to spend a morning. But I've been up since 4... more coffee...

501 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:37:35am

re: #477 {gettinby} Hi there {gettinby} well so far all I've been able to do is tell Miguel how many LGFer's are praying and hoping for his speedy recovery - see my #490.

502 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:38:41am

re: #498 wahabicorridor

Yes, maybe a bit of both. Mullen met with top Pakistani gov't officials & officers. They could BS Condi, because they know what Condi wants to hear, but Mullen doesn't suffer BS well.

503 wahabicorridor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:38:49am

ok, hubby is back w/the NYC papers. See ya later!

504 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:39:40am

re: #470 gettinby

And yet it seems that is exactly what the "western" countries are waiting for.

/Just can't count on a good revolution anymore.

Remember that glorious moment when it seemed it might happen, that a democratic revolution would sweep through the Middle East? Remember Lebanese freedom babes?

But it took decades for the Russians and Eastern Europeans to rise up, and they didn't have Islam in the way.

505 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:41:27am

re: #504 Tigger2005

It also took a President determined to help the Eastern Europeans for them to have the hope necessary to rise up. Reagan is a hero in the former East bloc.

506 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:42:12am

re: #499 realwest

Hey good morning good looking! I think it's waaay too soon to be looking at polls as other than entertainment - indeed almost any time is too soon- remember there were at least two polls in November of 2004 that predicted a BIG win for Kerry - even on election day most polls had Kerry winning big and we know where that went!
HOw are you doing today?

Hi Real. This is different. Obama is a New Age Movement.
He is the empty vessle that people fill with their own wants & needs & voila, he becomes the perfect, custom candidate.
It's all unhinged lunacy of course, but it is what it is.
I am convinced that if Barack Hussein killed puppies on prime time TV,
the punduits would disuss how efficient & elegant he was doing it.
We all have to vote. I don't even like McCain , but I plan to vote early & often.

507 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:42:36am

re: #486 Bobblehead

Wow, you've got an exceptionally disciplined subconscious.

It's all that brown acid....

508 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:43:15am

re: #499 {realwest}

Good Morning, Handsome.

I agree it is too early to rely on any poll, but it is quite significant that even with the 24 hour infomercial for Obama on CNN, MSNBC, etc he is unable to open up a sizable lead.

That is the story - not the poll.

509 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:43:54am

re: #488 MajorPribluda

I sure hope that the blogosphere can push this to the MSM. This is *exactly* what people need to hear her saying.


I'm doing my part. She's basically saying 600 dollars is "bling money".

510 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:44:42am

re: #484 ec marm

The only reason I can imagine why he (the former Prince) would speak in that manner is that he has no desire to climb back into that rats nest of a country. There really is no serious opposition in Iran. Think of WWII Japan.

You're probably right. I don't see an internal takeover ever happening there.

/Let's see here...there's got to be a country or two who always is the one everyone depends on to fix other countries' problems in this world who could take care of this.
//hmmmm....

511 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:45:19am

re: #482 gettinby

Personally, I like dogs better than cats, but this one is f-u-n-n-y!

People, people, be very careful. Your cats want to kill you in your sleep.
They want the house and your credit cards. Beware!

512 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:46:41am

re: #511 opnion

People, people, be very careful. Your cats want to kill you in your sleep.
They want the house and your credit cards. Beware!

LOL

My old cat used to bite my nose when I was sleeping.

513 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:47:31am

re: #509 ec marm

I'm doing my part. She's basically saying 600 dollars is "bling money".

Now see, that is not good for her children to hear. Michelle will not be proud.

514 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:48:19am

re: #504 Tigger2005

Remember that glorious moment when it seemed it might happen, that a democratic revolution would sweep through the Middle East? Remember Lebanese freedom babes?

But it took decades for the Russians and Eastern Europeans to rise up, and they didn't have Islam in the way.

Lebanon is lost now that Hezbashitzah have the veto!

515 steveoh  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:48:38am

re: #416 kenneth

And they will destroy Israel with their 1950's era soviet designed missiles? They'll hit some civilian targets in Israel and cause great pain to many innocents. I say this with a heavy heart as I have many family members living there and serving in the military.

I also lost my 19 year old cousin Gila (a beautiful soul) in 2002 to a homicide bomber in Jerusalem as she waited for a bus. He detonated his belt filled with nails, killing four others and wounding scores more.

This after losing my best friend on 9-11 at Cantor Fitzgerald.

The plan may be for mutually assured destruction, but the reality will be quite different.

I personally have had enough. And since the world is almost universally calling in one way or another for the destruction of Israel's Jewish identity already, the time to act is before Iran has the capability to actually realize their plan of mutually assured destruction. As I stated earlier, the attack must be so overwhelming that it causes an entire paradigm shift in the region.

My father fought in the battle of Okinawa in WWII and was in the invasion force heading for mainland Japan when the bombs were dropped. A liberal his whole life, the one thing he still says is the bombs saved millions of lives. I think the situation is quite similar. We must end the war against Islamic Fascism BEFORE there is mutually assured destruction. Iran has openly called for the destruction of Israel, and along with Syria funds and supplies Hezbollah to launch attacks.

Time to end the war.

516 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:49:26am

re: #510 gettinby

There is in fact a significant opposition to the gov't but they are seriously oppressed harrassed and isolated. The majority of Iranians hate the regime, but the regime killes anybody who dares stand up to them. To succeed the Iranian opposition needs help. The mullahs know that when their fall comes, they will loose everything: money, power & their lives. That's why they have always played hard ball.

517 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:49:47am

re: #506 opnion

re: #506 opnion

Hi Real. This is different. Obama is a New Age Movement.
He is the empty vessle that people fill with their own wants & needs & voila, he becomes the perfect, custom candidate.
It's all unhinged lunacy of course, but it is what it is.
I am convinced that if Barack Hussein killed puppies on prime time TV,
the punduits would disuss how efficient & elegant he was doing it.
We all have to vote. I don't even like McCain , but I plan to vote early & often.

The MSM may cover for him if he killed puppies, But would they cover for him if he killed kittens?

518 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:49:51am

re: #512 loppyd

LOL

My old cat used to bite my nose when I was sleeping.

Uh huh. That was just a probe, the cat was on a recon with bigger plans. Keep your eye on them and if you detect outward hostility, run out of the house, screaming for help!
Or get a dog to maintain order.

519 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:50:03am

re: #510 gettinby

You're probably right. I don't see an internal takeover ever happening there.

/Let's see here...there's got to be a country or two who always is the one everyone depends on to fix other countries' problems in this world who could take care of this.
//hmmmm....

The Iranian "Resistance" is structured on NATO: No Action, Talk Only. If we took out the nukes and the mullahs and the Dwarf for them I suppose they might rouse themselves enough to demand we re-build the country for them.

520 Tigger2005  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:51:25am

re: #514 akak

Lebanon is lost now that Hezbashitzah have the veto!

Well, not exactly "lost." The U.S. and or Israel could remove Hizb'allah like a cancerous skin lesion if they really WANTED to.

521 Sizzlack  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:51:27am

Is it just me or does it seem like Olmert is selling Israel down the river just to take people's minds off of his mega bribery scandal?
Hes letting go of more prisoners? Umm...

522 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:51:40am

re: #513 opnion

Now see, that is not good for her children to hear. Michelle will not be proud.

I know a couple of people who walk around this world with a chip on their shoulder and an ear for anything offensive to them. WAB reminds me of them. They are not friends, but they are....around....

Oh, and Good Morning.

523 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:51:59am

re: #491 loppyd

Washington Post - 12 chapter series

WHO KILLED CHANDRA LEVY

I can't get it to load past the first page. So who the hell did kill Chandra Levy?

524 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:52:43am

re: #520 Tigger2005

Well, not exactly "lost." The U.S. and or Israel could remove Hizb'allah like a cancerous skin lesion if they really WANTED to.

"We welcome the new unity government"

guess who?

525 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:53:16am

re: #517 n in wi

re: #506 opnion


The MSM may cover for him if he killed puppies, But would they cover for him if he killed kittens?

No, it is a well known fact that the MSM has a terrific bias in favor of cats over dogs.
It is a very vitriolic prejudice.
Hey Obama, cat guy or dog guy? I rest my case.

526 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:53:32am

re: #512 loppyd

LOL

My old cat used to bite my nose when I was sleeping.

My cat Ajaz once put a dead mouse on my neck.

527 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:53:40am

re: #512 loppyd

mine has been known to give me a little 'nip' if i don't play with her.
mostly it doesn't hurt but if ignore the first two little 'nips' the third one is har+

528 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:54:46am

re: #515 steveoh

What a great post. I am so sorry for the loss of your cousin & best friend.

No, I don't think the Iranian's will succeed in destroying Israel. But if given the opportunity, they will try, and will kill countless thousands. That is why they must be stopped before they get their nuclear bombs. I agree with you 100% on that.

Your father is a hero and truly one of the "Greatest Generation".

529 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:54:53am

re: #518 opnion

Uh huh. That was just a probe, the cat was on a recon with bigger plans. Keep your eye on them and if you detect outward hostility, run out of the house, screaming for help!
Or get a dog to maintain order.

He ended up getting the needle after he attacked a neighbor's cat - my mom was afraid his next victim was going to be a little kid.

Besides, we learned I was allergic to cats by getting him.

My dog was never the same after that cat wrecked his life for two years.

530 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:55:25am

re: #505 kenneth
Hey! Reagan is a hero around here, too - at least to me he is.
But I think the Eastern block of the old USSR is radically different than is the ME and not because of Islam per se.
The literacy rate in the old Eastern Block was as high as it was in Western Europe, while most Islamic countries have an illiteracy rate of over 50%.
Eastern Europe could (and did) peer freqently behind the Iron Curtain and saw how much better other Europeans had it when not under the neck of Communism (and this is especially true of East Germany); and
as you said, we had a President who was determined to break the stranglehold the USSR has on it's satellite neighbors, by simply out spending them militarily and out-smarting them about that, too - the old USSR couldn't keep up with us and that concern began to over ride the "controls" the USSR had on the Eastern Block.
The ME, as I know you know, is radically different and not just because of the literacy rate (most Muslims in Islamic nations get their news via the local Imman, not Radio Free Europe) and have no one except the Jewish state of Israel to look at to see how good things can be under a democracy.
Finally, there is no "superpower" in the ME {as the Soviet Union was) which was suppressing the people of the Eastern Block nations - if we whip Iran, then we have to whip Syria, the Saudi Arabia, etc. etc.
Bringing democracy to an entire geogrpahical region which is SO limited by it's illiteracy and inability of the US to use a Radio Free Middle East or something, that getting ONE WORKING DEMOCRACY (other than Israel, I mean!) would be a HUGE start towards ending the Theocracies and Thgocracies in the ME - I know that's what Bush hoped for and is, probably, still hoping for.

531 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:55:55am

canada has a 7 year wait for a kidney transplant you can die first

532 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:56:21am

Deadly blast hits Afghan market

A suicide attack in south Afghanistan has killed at least 21 people, many of them children, police say.

The bomb was detonated in a market in the Deh Rawud district of Uruzgan province at about 1030 local time.

533 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:56:39am

re: #526 MandyManners

My cat Ajaz once put a dead mouse on my neck.

Ajax, twit. Ajax.

534 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:57:00am

re: #525 opnion I an't believe Rush is a cat guy

535 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:57:09am

re: #533 MandyManners

Ajax, twit. Ajax.

Mini panthers.

536 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:57:14am

re: #530 realwest
Sorry for all the typos in that post all y'all - gotta get more coffee, I'm afraid!

537 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:57:22am

re: #531 yochanan

canada has a 7 year wait for a kidney transplant you can die first

I believe they call it 'opting out'.

538 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:57:39am

re: #534 n in wi

I an't believe Rush is a cat guy

yep - lives alone with one cat.

539 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:57:52am
McCain, who once sang in jest about bombing Iran, on Tuesday reacted to a report of rising U.S. cigarette exports to the Islamic Republic by saying it may be "a way of killing 'em."

heh

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

540 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:58:02am

re: #506 opnion

I am new enough on the national political scene that I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views. As such, I am bound to disappoint some, if not all, of them. Which perhaps indicates a second, more intimate theme to this book, namely, how I, or anybody in public office, can avoid the pitfalls of fame, the hunger to please, the fear of loss, and thereby retain that kernel of truth, that singular voice within each of us that reminds us of our deepest commitments.
- B.H. Obama, The Audacity of Hope

541 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:58:11am

re: #532 Sharmuta

Deadly blast hits Afghan market

*sigh*

542 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:58:17am

re: #504 Tigger2005

Remember that glorious moment when it seemed it might happen, that a democratic revolution would sweep through the Middle East? Remember Lebanese freedom babes?

But it took decades for the Russians and Eastern Europeans to rise up, and they didn't have Islam in the way.

re: #505 kenneth

It also took a President determined to help the Eastern Europeans for them to have the hope necessary to rise up. Reagan is a hero in the former East bloc.

And today...?

Well, we're sure not offering much of a choice of a President that exudes confidence that we will support and persevere to the conclusion of a successful changeup.

/Ref: Iraq..."close enough...let's bail"

543 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:59:01am

re: #526 MandyManners

My cat Ajaz once put a dead mouse on my neck.

Speaking of cats and nightmares, I used to have a 20-lb half-Maine-coon named Thistle. One morning I awoke from a dream about a disturbingly violent basketball game to find the cat dribbling a pigeon he'd got off the balcony up and down the hall. Blood, guts, feathers everywhere. I laughed for 5 minutes.

544 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 6:59:26am

re: #540 kenneth

that singular voice within each of us that reminds us of our deepest commitments.

All he knows is that he wants more power.

545 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:00:20am

re: #543 infidelia

Speaking of cats and nightmares, I used to have a 20-lb half-Maine-coon named Thistle. One morning I awoke from a dream about a disturbingly violent basketball game to find the cat dribbling a pigeon he'd got off the balcony up and down the hall. Blood, guts, feathers everywhere. I laughed for 5 minutes.

You incorporated the noise into your dream.

How long did it take to clean up the gore?

546 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:00:43am

re: #535 loppyd

little pumas
i've had cheddar about 14 years now,still thinks he's a kitten.talks to the tv whenever there is a cat/big cat documentary on.don't know if they can see t v,maybe its a sound thing.

547 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:01:16am

re: #523 infidelia

I can't get it to load past the first page. So who the hell did kill Chandra Levy?


that will be revealed in chapter 12.

LOL

548 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:02:10am

re: #529 loppyd

He ended up getting the needle after he attacked a neighbor's cat - my mom was afraid his next victim was going to be a little kid.

Besides, we learned I was allergic to cats by getting him.

My dog was never the same after that cat wrecked his life for two years.

See, this is a national problem that we are too embarrassed to address.
How many dogs have had their psyches damages , by smirking, mocking cats. I blame the musical "Cats" for this phenomenon.
Cats now feel superior. They want to eliminate your dog & your next!

549 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:02:57am

re: #545 MandyManners

You incorporated the noise into your dream.

How long did it take to clean up the gore?

I also did that once when I squirrel was hanging on by its claws to the screen door and bouncing.

Mercifully I don't remember the cleaning-up part.

550 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:03:02am

re: #530 realwest

Good analysis. True, the situation is very different. I think the region can change, but it will take much longer. Consider the Iraqi civil war as a regional civil war. That's what is happening already now, in slow motion. Islamists are killing "moderate" or what they comnsider apostate Muslims by the thousands from Morocco to the Philipines. It is by no means clear the modernists will win either.

551 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:03:03am

re: #531 yochanan

canada has a 7 year wait for a kidney transplant you can die first

And the Democrats want to adopt this system.

552 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:03:04am

re: #523 infidelia

The butler did it of course.

553 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:04:23am

re: #551 opnion

of course,they won't be the ones living with it(or not living for that matter)the are the elite,they wait or want for nothing.

554 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:04:23am

My old 20-lb cat, (named CAT), slams doors.

Not fun when home alone in the dark.

/I keep looking for his "hit list." Hubby and I are pretty sure we're on it. LOL

555 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:04:43am

re: #547 loppyd

that will be revealed in chapter 12.

LOL

So the WaPo thinks it's going to get readership back with a 12-parter about a 7-year-old murder that everyone forgot about after 9/11?

Heheeeeeeee.....

556 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:05:15am

Is a neo-Nazi center being set up in the German capital?

Since 2004, Brinkmann has been gathering ultra-right intellectuals from all over Europe in his foundation, which until now has been operating from a post box address (Box 167) in the Swedish town of Jönköping. Among them are far-right professor Pierre Vial from France and the former advisor to Mikhail Gorbachev, professor Wjatcheslav Daschitschev.

The blood and soil proponents from Madrid to Moscow share a crude ideology, says the Hamburg branch of the Office for the Protection of the Constitution, Germany's domestic intelligence agency.

The members of the foundation dream of a white "pan-European civilisation" to counter the "physical death" through immigration from other parts of the world and the "political death" through Americanism, says the agency, which is especially concerned that two NPD activists belong to Brinkmann's foundation. Lutz Dessau, an author of NPD newspaper "Deutsche Stimme", is a member of the foundation's directorate. Former teacher Andreas Molau, member of the NPD's national executive, is on the foundation's board.

557 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:05:24am

re: #509 ec marm

I'm doing my part. She's basically saying 600 dollars is "bling money".

I left a comment on your Obama birth cert. page. Not about the seal, either, but about what looks like a little flaw in the borders.

558 Tilly  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:06:16am

On a completely superficial note the paparazzi can all stand down because the Jolie-Pitt twins have arrived.

A boy and girl named Knox and Vivienne....

559 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:06:33am

some great quotes on Yankee Stadium:

"I'd hate to be traded to the Yankees. I don't like New York. I just don't want to play there. I wish I had a clause in my contract saying that I couldn't be traded to a club without my consent."

- Ted Williams, responding to rumors of a Williams-for-Joe DiMaggio trade

"Wake up the damn Bambino and have me face him. Maybe I'll drill him in the ass."

- Pedro Martínez, who may have pitched the best game ever against the Yankees (one hit, 17 strikeouts in 1999), but who one day would call the Yankees "my daddy."

"Mystique and Aura. Those are dancers in a nightclub."
- Curt Schilling, dismissing intangibles attributed to the Yankees in the 2001 World Series

560 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:07:27am

re: #540 kenneth

Just me , but BHO's quote sounds like gobbley gook.
A bunch of flowery crap, saying next to nothing.

561 itellu3times  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:07:39am

re: #506 opnion

Obama is a New Age Movement.
He is the empty vessle that people fill with their own wants & needs & voila, he becomes the perfect, custom candidate.
It's all unhinged lunacy of course, but it is what it is.

We make a vessel out of clay, but it is the emptiness inside that makes it useful, grasshopper!

He knows when you are sleeping,
He knows when you're awake,
He knows if you've been bad or good,
So send him forty-seven dollars, for goodness sake!

562 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:07:52am

re: #506 opnion Good morning opnion! Yeah, I agree Obama is different in a lot of ways, the real question to me is will he get much more than the radicalized left to actually vote for him in the General Election!
And frankly, all the comments I've read about the "Obamamessiah" have been from the younger portion - and less calculating portion - of that relatively small segment of the Democratic Party.
I think when most American's realize what an empty suit he is, he's gonna lose and lose BIG. I mean, he doesn't really carry much of Kerry's baggage going into the election and McCain isn't Bush in 2004, but Obama has much more baggage than does Kerry - Kerry had most "mainstream" Dems going for him throughout the primaries and into the general election; Obama has really only had, with rare exception, the Activist Wing (think Kos, Huffpoo and DU) and Blacks working for him and taken in by his charisma.

563 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:08:31am

re: #558 Tilly

I just look forward to the day that nobody cares any more about the doings of meaningless celebrities.

564 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:08:50am

re: #560 opnion

A bunch of flowery crap, saying next to nothing.

Shakespeare?

565 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:09:06am

re: #534 n in wi

I an't believe Rush is a cat guy

Is that true? Hmmm, I have to rethink my opinion of him

566 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:10:38am

re: #560 opnion

It also expresses his understanding that he can make the voter beleive anything about him, for a while...

567 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #508 loppyd Yeah, but as we all well know, the MSM's collective ego almost reaches the level of Obama's ego and if he keeps throwning members of the MSM ("I was misquoted" "That quote was taken out of context" "I never said to the Mass Media that I WOUDN'T take public funding, etc. etc.) under that bus and the MSM starts to report even slightly more favorably to McCain (in other words, if the MSM FINALLY gets on the Tony Rezko story, the FISA story and, especially the public funding story and bashes Obama about the head over it all) then Obama just has NO real chance.

568 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:12:31am

re: #549 infidelia

I'll never forget when Ajax brought home a live bird. It took me forever to catch the bird. Ajax fought royally when I picked him up to throw him into the powder room.

569 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:13:39am

re: #556 Sharmuta

a direct result of europes irrelevence.some of the loons who pine for the old days are trying to bring them back.(unfortunately for them they are so out of their depth it's not funny.)

570 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:13:58am

re: #563 Sharmuta

I just look forward to the day that nobody cares any more about the doings of meaningless celebrities.

They're just so

time-consuming

anymore, aren't they?

571 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:14:00am

re: #556 Sharmuta

Is a neo-Nazi center being set up in the German capital?

I wonder if GoV links to their activities.

572 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:14:47am

You know it's bad when not even France wants to touch you:

French firm quits Iran gas deal

The head of French energy giant Total has said it will not invest in Iran because it is too politically risky.

The company had been planning to develop the huge South Pars gas field, but Christophe de Margerie says this will not now go ahead.

The announcement comes a day after Iran test-fired a series of missiles amid weeks of rising tensions with Israel and the US over its nuclear ambitions.

Analysts say Total's move will be a big blow to the Iranian energy industry

573 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:14:50am

re: #562 realwest

Good morning opnion! Yeah, I agree Obama is different in a lot of ways, the real question to me is will he get much more than the radicalized left to actually vote for him in the General Election!
And frankly, all the comments I've read about the "Obamamessiah" have been from the younger portion - and less calculating portion - of that relatively small segment of the Democratic Party.
I think when most American's realize what an empty suit he is, he's gonna lose and lose BIG. I mean, he doesn't really carry much of Kerry's baggage going into the election and McCain isn't Bush in 2004, but Obama has much more baggage than does Kerry - Kerry had most "mainstream" Dems going for him throughout the primaries and into the general election; Obama has really only had, with rare exception, the Activist Wing (think Kos, Huffpoo and DU) and Blacks working for him and taken in by his charisma.

Real, I want to buy in to your way of thinking & you make sense.
The problem as I see it is that, this guy is a movement.
He is the perfect storm for the Left of an eclectic elieist & anti American punisher.
The campuses are solid, African Americans, Leftie radicals & elitist Liberals are with him as well as Muslims.
The Union guys are a problem for him & some of the Hillary gals.
We need to overwhelm them at the polls.

574 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:15:49am

re: #567 realwest

Is it possible that the MSM will really start to react realistically to this guy?

/one can dream?

575 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:15:59am

re: #565 opnion

actually had the good luck to meet him.one of the most friendly,and personable folks i have ever met.

576 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:16:21am

re: #571 MandyManners

Heh.

577 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:17:39am
578 Born Again Republican  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:17:47am

re: #565 opnion

Loving both cats and dogs, I settle on cats because they can be left alone much more than dogs. Rush travels a lot and I wonder if that doesn't play into his decision to have a cat.

579 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:18:05am

I'm completely powerless to predict this election. I don't mean accurately, I mean even to firm up on an OPINION of how it will go.

This election pits the awesome stupidity badness of Barack Obama against the awesome stupidity and numbers of foolish Americans.

I have no clue which will have a greater influence on the election.

580 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:18:35am

re: #573 opnion

Real, I want to buy in to your way of thinking & you make sense.
The problem as I see it is that, this guy is a movement.
He is the perfect storm for the Left of an eclectic elieist & anti American punisher.
The campuses are solid, African Americans, Leftie radicals & elitist Liberals are with him as well as Muslims.
The Union guys are a problem for him & some of the Hillary gals.
We need to overwhelm them at the polls.

The idea that he is a movement was created by and is fostered by the MSM.

I know union guys who will never vote for him.

I know Hillary supporters who will never vote for him.

581 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:19:13am

re: #575 Boondock St. Bender

actually had the good luck to meet him.one of the most friendly,and personable folks i have ever met.

Yeah, I have always heard that & he comes across as a good guy.
When you think about it ,Rush is to the new media what Abner Doubleday is to baseball.
What he did to the MSM is a beautiful thing.

582 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:20:20am

New board of imams to tackle extremists

It will rule on interpretation of the Koran and promote the moderate strain of Islam practised by most British Muslims. It will also comment on controversial issues affecting Muslims living in Britain, including whether or not they should serve in the armed forces.

Where is this moderate strain of Islam, O enlightened one.
I see complicity, not moderation....

583 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:21:00am

re: #554 gettinby Hey gettingy! How did you come up with such a unique name for your cat?!? And what the hell kind of cat do you own that weighs 20 pounds?!

584 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:21:10am

re: #567 realwest

Some in the MSM - albeit a very small number - are starting to grow impatient with Barry. Their egos will not allow being brushed off by the Messiah while he eats his waffles.

585 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:21:26am

Khawaja sent money to bomb plotter through friend, court hears

A woman who set up a bank account for Mohammad Momin Khawaja testified in court Friday that he asked her to send more than $5,000 to the wife of a British bomb plot ringleader.

This creep might just get convicted.

586 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:22:32am

re: #581 opnion

yes,he was the first to make conservative thought on the radio big.frankly i still think he's one of the best.(hannity,and colter,make themselves the center of attention way too often for my tastes.)

587 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:22:46am

re: #578 Born Again Republican

Loving both cats and dogs, I settle on cats because they can be left alone much more than dogs. Rush travels a lot and I wonder if that doesn't play into his decision to have a cat.

Actually, I like animals. Cats are fine, I just like dogs a lot better.
When I come home from a trip, my dog goes bonkers. I am guessing that a cat would just want to know if I brought it anything.

588 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:22:54am

Is the UN shilling for eugenics?

UN calls for more family planning

The United Nations is calling for more investment in family planning to reduce poverty, slow population growth and ease pressure on the environment.

In a report marking World Population Day, the UN estimates that the number of people on the planet will grow from 6.7bn to 9.2bn by the year 2050.

The hard truth is, the UN adds, the world does not even want so many new people.

589 irongrampa  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:24:14am

Good morning from cloudy and humid southern New York State.
A rare Sunday with nothing on the agenda but do what I wish. Fine time to exercise the Toy, looks like. Saw a classic car meet in the paper, so we'll go check it out this afternoon. Gives me time to wash and wax beforehand.

590 zmdavid  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:24:36am

re: #582 SasquatchOnSteroids

New board of imams to tackle extremists

Maybe someone can arrange a (American) football game between them. Just don't call it a "pigskin".

591 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:25:19am

Hey folks. Been a busy couple of days making arrangements for my sister's wake and funeral. I appreciate all the emails from Lizards sending their condolences. That really means a lot.

For those who've emailed, I've replied this morning with details. Still have a couple of busy days ahead coordinating things and contacting people, with family traveling in from all over.

My mother and other sisters are holding up pretty well, all things considered, but it's going to be rough once this process starts.

592 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:25:30am

re: #588 Sharmuta

well,we here in the U.S. have plenty of food.so i guess they're talking about somewhere else.

593 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:26:16am

No Ice Cream Senator?

But the Illinois senator was very upset the night the interview aired and told aides it would never happen again. He felt he had hawked his own kids. He claimed he got caught up in the moment of a Fourth of July picnic in Butte, Mont., and a birthday celebration for Malia.

He may not have realized it while they were miking Malia and lighting the kids, but it clearly hit him midway through the interview. He looked frustrated when Sasha revealed that “my dad doesn’t like sweets” and that he preferred “minty gum” to bubble gum. She then began singsonging “Everybody should like ice cream” before pointing a finger at the person who doesn’t: “Except Daddy!”

As Margaret Carlson told Mike Barnicle on “Hardball,” in a segment called “Is Obama Too Cool?,” about whether he relates to average Americans, sometimes you just want to tell the guy, “Eat the doughnut.”

Whether Obama was irritated that he had slipped up and exposed his daughters or was annoyed that his kids were exposing more delicious details about his finicky, abstemious tastes, we’ll never know.

594 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:26:48am

BBC Dhimmi Cluelessness Report # 5997:

BBC drama features a Muslim being beheaded by Christian extremists

..because that happens all the time. Un-fricken-believeable.

595 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:26:56am

re: #583 realwest

Hey gettingy! How did you come up with such a unique name for your cat?!? And what the hell kind of cat do you own that weighs 20 pounds?!

My cat weighs 22 lbs..

596 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:27:05am

re: #588 Sharmuta

When the disasters hit, the UN always goes batshit crazy about how women can't get their birth control, condoms, etc. Food ? Ahhh, someone else can do that.

597 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:27:14am

ATTENTION ALL Y'ALL - I just received an E-mail from JammieWearingFool concerning the arrangements for his sister's funeral and all.
I've just sent Jammie an e-mail asking if I could post it out here (and obviously haven't heard yet) but he did say to " Feel free to pass along if others inquire."
So - if I don't post something in the next hour or so out here, and any of y'all are interested in where to send flowers or Mass Cards or just sympathy and condolences, please e-mail me and I'll provide the details.

598 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:27:37am

re: #577 kenneth

A good resource on the Iranian opposition.


That's kind of a deceptive caption. He was opposed to the regime, was imprisoned, but finally escaped Iran. The problem with the so-called Iranian opposition is that almost all of them have fled Iran.
According to the CIA Factbook on religion in Iran:

Muslim 98% (Shi'a 89%, Sunni 9%), other (includes Zoroastrian, Jewish, Christian, and Baha'i) 2%


How can you overthrow a regime based on Islamic ideology from within in an overwhelmingly Muslim country? You're just going to end up with the same thing six months later.

599 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:27:59am

re: #586 Boondock St. Bender

yes,he was the first to make conservative thought on the radio big.frankly i still think he's one of the best.(hannity,and colter,make themselves the center of attention way too often for my tastes.)

The First time that I heard Rush on the radio , I was shocked.
I thought that he could not last in a PC world.
Thank's in part to him we can be more honest.

600 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:28:09am

re: #459 gettinby

Is there something wrong if one doesn't have dreams?

Not likely. You probably have them and don't recall them.

601 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:28:25am

re: #591 JammieWearingFool

jammie,so sorry to hear of your loss.prayers for her and your family.

602 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:28:27am

re: #587 opnion

Actually, I like animals. Cats are fine, I just like dogs a lot better.
When I come home from a trip, my dog goes bonkers. I am guessing that a cat would just want to know if I brought it anything.

Cats go bonkers but, they do it subtly.

603 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:29:29am

re: #591 JammieWearingFool

{Jammie}

Prayers abound for you and your family.

604 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:29:33am

President George W Bush backs Israeli plan for strike on Iran

cue the zionist conspiracy moonbats...

605 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:29:33am

re: #591 JammieWearingFool

((((((JWF&family))))))

606 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:29:49am

re: #596 SasquatchOnSteroids

c'mon the local strongmen and warlords'll take care of that.(for a small fee)

607 Stringart  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:29:54am

re: #531 yochanan

canada has a 7 year wait for a kidney transplant you can die first

I don't know what is considered a "normal" wait for a transplant but I do know that one of the reasons for the long wait is lack of donated kidneys. If enough people aren't dying with healthy organs, does it matter what kind of medical system is in place?

Unless you go with presumed consent, and maybe not even then, there will never be enough organs.

608 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:30:17am

re: #591 JammieWearingFool
{Jammie}
So very saddening.

609 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:30:43am

re: #592 Boondock St. Bender

well,we here in the U.S. have plenty of food.so i guess they're talking about somewhere else.

I read an article yesterday about high officials in GB are saying that Britons need to behave as if they're on war-time footing in regards to food.

610 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:31:43am

re: #593 loppyd

No Ice Cream Senator?

Surely he won't throw his own daughter under the bus.

611 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:32:26am

re: #607 Stringart

Then it's time to go organ harvesting!

612 loppyd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:32:30am

re: #610 MandyManners

Surely he won't throw his own daughter under the bus.

Did you read the whole thing?

I tend to think he and the WAB did not have a romantic evening.

613 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:33:48am

re: #609 MandyManners

What in gods name for?is there some kind of shortage or crisis?

614 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:33:52am

re: #598 ec marm

Your dismissive attitude is offensive. Several polls have demonstrated the high level of hatred the Iranian people have for the regime. There have been hundreds of protests & riots against the regime in the past few years. Your claim that the majority of Iranian opposition have fled the country is just plain false. Until you go risk your neck fighting a pack of murderous thugs, I suggest you show some respect for those who are. Go and read about what the opposition is actually doing before you declare it non-existant.

615 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:35:14am

re: #593 loppyd

Obama with remorse after the birthday party interview?
Hey, Barry & Michelle parade their kids all over & they are constantly stage props.
As usual, he tries to have it both ways. You know that after he told us how embarrassing our foreign language skills are & that we need to teach our children Spanish, he has exposed himself.
Imagine if an enterprising reporter tried to test the Spanish skills of his kids.

616 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:35:40am

re: #602 MandyManners

Cats go bonkers but, they do it subtly.

Nuance

617 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:35:45am

re: #583 realwest

Hey gettingy! How did you come up with such a unique name for your cat?!? And what the hell kind of cat do you own that weighs 20 pounds?!

Born to a feral mother on Nebraska Avenue in North Tampa (the drug-prostitute capital of West Central Florida), (long story how we ended up with it...won't bore y'all), we took it straight to the vet when it was 6 weeks old and then home to be a "playmate" to our new puppy (a schnoodle). CAT is a black and white (mostly black) with a 'John-Wayne attitude' who grew to 20 lbs.

We pretty much leave him alone. Funny thing though, the little schnoodle doggy totally was the boss. CAT never messed with her!

LOL

Since the schnoodle passed on in late 2006, he has turned his attention to torturing the rest of us as she is not here to keep him in line.

I swear he'll outlive me.

618 geepers  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:36:14am

kenneth (#594),

BBC Dhimmi Cluelessness Report # 5997:

BBC drama features a Muslim being beheaded by Christian extremists

..because that happens all the time. Un-fricken-believeable.

And I can almost guarantee you the BBC has never had a drama about Muslim extremists beheading a Christian.

It must suck being British.

619 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:36:14am

re: #614 kenneth
I will stand by my statement. The so-called Iranian opposition is as visible as aardvarks on a clear day.

620 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:36:21am

re: #597 realwest
Huh, day late and dollar short - didn't see Jammie's comment #591 as he was posting it while I was writing my #597!
And I think Jammie has the best idea - if y'all e-mail Jammie, he can provide the information - if not I'll provide it for you so as to not overburden him at this terrible time for him.

621 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:38:23am

re: #591 JammieWearingFool

Prayers for you and your family {JammieWearingFool}.

622 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:38:34am

re: #612 loppyd

Did you read the whole thing?

I tend to think he and the WAB did not have a romantic evening.

My favorite part :

Asked by Ms. Menounos, “What could you guys do that Mommy and Daddy would get really mad at?” Malia and Sasha replied in unison: “Whining.”

Need I ?

623 JammieWearingFool  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:39:19am

realwest, check your mail.

BBL.

624 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:39:22am

re: #612 loppyd

Did you read the whole thing?

I tend to think he and the WAB did not have a romantic evening.

After saying that love is taking care of his kids, Michelle added: “I think it’s the little, you know, kisses. He likes to get attention. Just coming and sitting on his lap and telling him I’m proud of him.”

Why am I not surprised?

625 Stringart  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:39:24am

re: #611 Boondock St. Bender

Then it's time to go organ harvesting!

Hmm, you might be on to something. On the up side, you cure (some) sick people. On the upper side, you cure wrong political views. Win win.

/shudder

626 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:39:48am

re: #613 Boondock St. Bender

What in gods name for?is there some kind of shortage or crisis?

Rising fuel costs, rising food costs.

627 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:40:33am

re: #617 gettinby WOW, and y'all left out the most important part of the story - how y'all came to be on "Nebraska Avenue in North Tampa (the drug-prostitute capital of West Central Florida)"! LOL!
Anyway, as CtP says in his profile: "To Cats you are staff; to Dogs you are family" and I think that sums it all up very nicely!

628 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:40:41am

re: #616 opnion

Nuance

Yep.

629 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:40:48am

re: #625 Stringart

I hear rumours the chinese work along similar lines.

630 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:41:10am

re: #619 ec marm

Look at this picture. The day you go to Tehran and protest the regime is the day you can snear at these brave people. Jerk.

631 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:41:52am
632 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:42:31am

re: #622 SasquatchOnSteroids

Need I ?

They learned it from WAB.

633 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:43:24am

re: #626 MandyManners

sad,leadership should be searching for solutions to these kind of problems.without causing panic in the masses

634 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:43:46am

re: #630 kenneth
What about the picture? One solitary person protesting is supposed to somehow prove your POV? Do want me to show you photos of millions of Iranians gathered to support the regime?

635 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:43:54am

re: #607 Stringart

I don't know what is considered a "normal" wait for a transplant but I do know that one of the reasons for the long wait is lack of donated kidneys. If enough people aren't dying with healthy organs, does it matter what kind of medical system is in place?

Unless you go with presumed consent, and maybe not even then, there will never be enough organs.


There are some real significant differences between our medical delivery syatem.
As a single payer system they establish a global budget.
It is usual for necessay surgeries etc at the end of the year being delayed until the new year.The caps are blown & there literally is no cash.
It is not unusual for Canadian doctors to follow the snow birds to Florida & practice fee for service in November & December.
Any Canadian Lizards care to comment?

636 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:45:16am

re: #633 Boondock St. Bender

sad,leadership should be searching for solutions to these kind of problems.without causing panic in the masses

I don't recall any specific steps the officials (including PM Brown) talked about. The main thrust of the article was about what the people were expected to do. I recall one woman who said it was a sin and a crime to not eat left-overs during WWII.

637 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:45:41am

re: #627 realwest

LOL

There are some office centers nearby. But one wants to ONLY go there during mid-day while the bad guys are sleeping it off. Ha!

638 geepers  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:47:55am

(#598) ec marm,

The problem with the so-called Iranian opposition is that almost all of them have fled Iran.

Not just opposition, just about anyone with a clue has gotten out of that shit hole.

July 9, 2008: On July 7th, an Iranian F-5 fighter crashed during a training exercise. One could understand that, as the F5 was an American built jet fighter Iran bought over three decades ago. Spare parts have been hard to come by, but Iran has managed, sort of.

The big problem is not the loss of three decade old U.S. jet fighters, but the many other older transports and airliners that have been going down. In the last six years, there have been at least a dozen crashes, leaving about 700 passengers and crew dead. Most of the downed aircraft were not American. Many of the lost aircraft were Russian, a nation that has no problems selling Iran aircraft parts. So what's the problem? Simple. Iranian aircraft maintenance sucks. That's because a lousy economy and a really bothersome lifestyle police have caused many technically skilled people to flee the country. Plenty of competent Iranian aircraft mechanics and engineers in southern California, not so many in Iran.


Why You Should Never Fly In An Iranian Aircraft

639 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:48:34am

re: #630 kenneth

interesting small novel on the effects of evil on the ave french person during ww2


the book is called Sarah's Key.

not sure what would really happen in the face of evil.
but i think more people whould support it or look the other way it is rare to stand up in the face of it esp when you know if you are caught you will die.

640 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:49:30am

Dogs will love you more than most humans.

Try this experiment.

1. Put your dog in the trunk of your car, go for a short drive.

Open the trunk, and he will be glad to see you.

2. Put your wife in the trunk ....

641 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:49:46am

re: #635 opnion

Our family doctor got burned in the real estate market in the early 90's. Him and his partner pulled up stakes and moved to the states to more lucrative climes. Between the two of them they practically left around 200 families with out doctors. At this time as well there was a shortage of GP's in the city. The waiting list was over 1000 names long. I lucked out. I was able to transfer to my wifes doctor, while my aging parents had to scramble to find a doctor of their own. It got pretty bad up here. Especially in towns and cities in central Ontario or anywhere more then an hour and a half drive from a major urban center.

643 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:51:14am

re: #637 gettinby

LOL

There are some office centers nearby. But one wants to ONLY go there during mid-day while the bad guys are sleeping it off. Ha!


Is the Admiral Benbow Motel in that area?
The last flight out of Tampa got canceled one day & United announced that we would be staying at the Admiral Bimbo. She meant Benbow.
I stopped into the lounge and was immediately propositioned by a Vietnamese hooker. Bimbo was actually correct.
I slept in my clothes.

644 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:51:24am

re: #636 MandyManners

sure,wasteing resources is wrong.but,to sound an alarm like that during peacetime sounds very severe.

645 LeonidasOfSparta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:51:45am

eare eare!

646 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:51:58am

re: #623 JammieWearingFoolDone and acknowledged and replied to.

647 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:53:04am

re: #620 realwest AND I MEAN I'LL supply you with the information if you e-mail me and include your LGF nic.

648 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:53:06am

re: #640 Ojoe

Dogs will love you more than most humans.

Try this experiment.

1. Put your dog in the trunk of your car, go for a short drive.

Open the trunk, and he will be glad to see you.

2. Put your wife in the trunk ....

3. put you wife and you dog in the trunk of your car.............

649 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:54:10am

re: #648 n in wi

What would be the purpose of step 3?

650 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:54:19am

re: #640 Ojoe

Dogs will love you more than most humans.

Try this experiment.

1. Put your dog in the trunk of your car, go for a short drive.

Open the trunk, and he will be glad to see you.

2. Put your wife in the trunk ....

Oh, goodness! I'm giggling.

651 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:54:27am

re: #637 gettinby Oh, well sure, that's a good cover story!
;')

652 kenneth  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:54:37am

re: #634 ec marm

There are photographs & videos of thoudsands of Iranians protesting the regime. Your characterization of that photo as "one lone Iranian" is self-delusion denial. You know damn well there were many more people in that protest. Of course the regime can put out large mobs in support: they have the guns. The regime support has been calcualted at about 20% of the population. But that does not mean the opposition doesn't exist, as you have claim. It does mean that the opposition are incredibly brave and hopeful for their country to dare to act against the regime. The fact is tens of thousands people, of what you claim is a non-existant opposition, have been arrested, tortured & murdered. If you cared to inform yourself, you could look it up. The fact you deliberately distort and deny what you see, snear at them, and refuse to look deeper says a lot about you and nothing about the Iranian opposition.

I present fact and you counter with an arrogant condescension toward the people who have dared to risk their lives. What the hell are you risking, aside from acting like a jerk on LGF?

653 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:54:49am

re: #648 n in wi

3. put you wife and you dog in the trunk of your car.............

Now that's just plain cruel to the dog.

/oh wait you said wife, not ex-wife. nebbermind.

//glances furtively around work station.

654 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:55:16am

re: #643 opnion

Heh.
That was a hotel purchased by Joe Redner (a strip-club owner) who keeps trying to run for city council or something. It's actually a ways from Nebraska Ave. closer to the "classier" prostitutes here.

655 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:55:30am

re: #634 ec marm

What about the picture? One solitary person protesting is supposed to somehow prove your POV? Do want me to show you photos of millions of Iranians gathered to support the regime?

There truly are some very brave resistance people in Iran. And it's great that Ahmad Batebi has escaped to freedom. But counting on the opposition there to take out the mullocracy does not seem to be realistic. The opposition says 99.9% of the Iranian people oppose Ahmadinejad, that the majority want a more Western way of life, yet there is concern that they will rally round the mullahs of the country is attacked. There were millions of people in Germany and Japan who opposed the regimes there, but that wasn't enough for them to be able to bring down those regimes. They were able to emerge only after we cleared the way for them.

656 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:55:36am

re: #638 geepers
Hey good morning Geepers - how are you doing today?

657 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:55:38am

re: #644 Boondock St. Bender

sure,wasteing resources is wrong.but,to sound an alarm like that during peacetime sounds very severe.

I got the feeling that draconian measures are in the wings.

658 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:55:45am
659 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:56:10am

re: #639 yochanan

exactly,most folks will ignore it or look the other way.it's the nature of many in a crisis to look after themselves.It is the few who look after their fellow man who change history,and keep evil at bay.that is why the heros who do so are so revered.they did what many could not,they put principle and others before their own safety.

660 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:56:24am

re: #641 BlueCanuck

Rough story. I had a conversation with a guy from I believe Ottawa in Columbus.
He was transferring to the states so that he & his family could have access to the US Medical delivery system.
Canada has some great doctors, but the system demoralizes them

661 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:56:33am

re: #650 MandyManners

read this to wife. need new computer screen

662 Zach_the_Lizard  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:57:23am

As a test, I decided to try to view and post to LGF from the Links text browser, which I am using right now. The website works, although it is not very sexy in text-only mode. But, it works. All I need now is some ASCII art renditions of all images on the page, and I think LGF will be up to par in text mode.

663 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:59:37am

re: #654 gettinby

Heh.
That was a hotel purchased by Joe Redner (a strip-club owner) who keeps trying to run for city council or something. It's actually a ways from Nebraska Ave. closer to the "classier" prostitutes here.


But it is the upscale hooker area?
I sure had a funny story when I got home.

664 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:59:41am

re: #658 ploome hineni

yup, you know how those Christians are always chopping off heads.
/

665 geepers  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:00:22am

Good morning realwest. Doing good, thanks. And you?

666 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:00:28am

re: #654 gettinby And you know this...........how?!?
LOL!

667 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:01:24am

re: #659 Boondock St. Bender

The people who stand up are the "remnant"

669 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:02:24am

re: #664 Killgore Trout

yup, you know how those Christians are always chopping off heads.
/

Kinda like an expose of the man biting dog epidemic.
Usually goes the other way I think?

670 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:02:35am

re: #666 realwest

Having problems with LGF mail.
Can I e-mail you thru my regular acct ?
Would like to send something to JWF.

671 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:02:39am

re: #665 geepers Glad to hear you're doing well my friend!
I'm doing ok today, other than being dumber than a rock about some things this morning.

672 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:02:53am
673 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:03:12am

re: #651 realwest

Oh, well sure, that's a good cover story!
;')

LOL

/ya got me!

674 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:03:37am
675 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:03:59am

re: #670 SasquatchOnSteroids Yeah, but please ID yourself by you're nicname on LGF.

676 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:04:30am

re: #675 realwest

Gotcha, Thanks.

677 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:04:43am

re: #652 kenneth
So I'm a jerk and delusional? Perhaps. But I have studied the Islamic Republic of Iran for years. I have seen pictures of protests, yes. Attended by maybe a hundred college students. Once or twice. As far as polls? I could show you polls from the U.S. that show just as much opposition to our own government. I have read Kamangir for years. He posts only once or twice a month anymore. Why? If there was anywhere near the amount of protest going on in Iran that you want people to believe, he would be posting daily. I don't think your name calling is going to convince me of anything, btw. But if it makes you feel better, go ahead.

678 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:05:13am

re: #674 ploome hineni

It looks like the dog was taken (or stolen) from NY and moved to GA.

679 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:05:24am

TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran has condemned U.S. Republican presidential candidate John McCain for joking about killing Iranians with cigarettes and said it showed his "warmongering" foreign policy attitude, media said on Sunday.

McCain, who once sang in jest about bombing Iran, on Tuesday reacted to a report of rising U.S. cigarette exports to the Islamic Republic by saying it may be "a way of killing 'em."

SNIP

680 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:05:46am

re: #674 ploome hineni

the question is

why did it take 5 years?

A cat designed the system

681 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:05:56am

re: #672 ploome hineni

Why You Should Never Fly In An Iranian Aircraft

apparently, Iran is simply reverting

reverting to the normal and natural state determined by the culture dominated by islam

everytime someone tells you all cultures are equal,

just think of Iran and imagine what would happen to the society if all JUDEO-CHRISTIAN attitudes, laws and education was withdrawn or forbidden


Good point

All cultures are hardly equal. People are not sneaking into Iran for a better life.

682 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:06:33am

re: #660 opnion

Rough story. I had a conversation with a guy from I believe Ottawa in Columbus.
He was transferring to the states so that he & his family could have access to the US Medical delivery system.
Canada has some great doctors, but the system demoralizes them

My doctor is a Canadian dual-citizen. As soon as he got his medical degree from Queen's University, he bugged out and moved to AZ.
Their loss, our gain.

683 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:07:09am

Going to mass this morning?

you can light a candle for Miguel down in Mexico.

He had a stroke. It was a small one he said, so a small candle would probably do.

684 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:07:16am

re: #679 MandyManners
Hey, if Iran doesn't like McCain, that's as good a reason for electing him as any I can think of!

685 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:09:04am

Good morning Lizards.........

686 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:09:05am
687 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:09:08am

re: #638 geepers
Good article. I'd like to think that the Islamic Republic of Iran had some sort of organized opposition but after 30 years of watching all I see is the best and brightest fleeing the country and setting up camp in Canada and California and proclaiming some mythical opposition in Iran. Perhaps it is to protect the loved ones they left behind? I don't know. I care about the truth of the matter, not emotions.

688 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:09:31am

re: #683 Ojoe Excellent post my friend, just excellent!

689 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:09:41am
690 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:10:41am

Tom Brokaw on Meet The Press is now as the host using all of the Obama talking points.
He is going much easier on Obama , at lest so far.

691 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:11:09am

re: #663 opnion

But it is the upscale hooker area?
I sure had a funny story when I got home.

Welcome to Tampa! LOL

re: #666 realwest

And you know this...........how?!?
LOL!

You know, I try so very hard to join in on the intellectual, important stuff here on LGF.

Why is it that I somehow end up explaining myself on sex, boobs and guns?

/not that there's anything wrong with these subjects. LOL

692 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:11:22am

re: #685 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards.........

{doriangrey}

Good morning!

693 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:11:59am
694 Stringart  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:12:31am

re: #635 opnion

I don't disagree that there are problems in the Cdn. medical system but truth be told, there are problems in any system. I took issue with the statement that our system was the sole cause of long waits for transplants because it just isn't true.

695 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:12:39am

re: #692 goddessoftheclassroom

{doriangrey}

Good morning!

Good morning to you Ms Academia hottie... ((Goddess))

696 n in wi  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:12:47am

re: #690 opnion

Tom Brokaw on Meet The Press is now as the host using all of the Obama talking points.
He is going much easier on Obama , at lest so far.

Think he'll get to the highlights of Tony Snow's career?

697 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:12:54am

re: #683 Ojoe Oh and btw Ojoe and all y'all - here's an addy where you can send mass cards for the deceased and those who are sick, recovering, etc.
[Link: www.bfranciscan.org...]

698 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:13:20am

re: #691 gettinby

You know, I try so very hard to join in on the intellectual, important stuff here on LGF.

Why is it that I somehow end up explaining myself on sex, boobs and guns?

/not that there's anything wrong with these subjects. LOL

Because my friend you gravitate to the fun stuff. You need to include liquor.

699 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:13:26am

re: #695 doriangrey

Good morning to you Ms Academia hottie... ((Goddess))

You are SO good for my ego! MWAH!

700 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:13:26am

re: #687 ec marm

Good article. I'd like to think that the Islamic Republic of Iran had some sort of organized opposition but after 30 years of watching all I see is the best and brightest fleeing the country and setting up camp in Canada and California and proclaiming some mythical opposition in Iran. Perhaps it is to protect the loved ones they left behind? I don't know. I care about the truth of the matter, not emotions.

And then the Mullahs turn around and state "it is the will of Allah" when their airliners crash. BULL-SHIT!

701 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:13:42am

re: #693 ploome hineni

I have to go to HOme DEpot


Seatbelt on, please. How did your court appearance go? Pay the fine? Insurance permium rise?

702 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:14:35am

re: #689 ploome hineni

Why would we assume that some one who steals a dog would take it to a vet?

703 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:14:52am

re: #696 n in wi

Think he'll get to the highlights of Tony Snow's career?

Yes, they were colleagues & I am sure that they all liked Tony Snow.
Could be wrong though

704 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:14:59am

re: #700 Macker

And then the Mullahs turn around and state "it is the will of Allah" when their airliners crash. BULL-SHIT!

Heh heh heh and when the Israeli bombs fall will they also claim that it is the will of Stan Allah?

705 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:15:27am

re: #686 ploome hineni

but does he play an instrument?

How wonderful is that!?!?

/No...CAT would lay a dead critter's head or another body part on the keys.
//classless.

706 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:16:37am

re: #698 opnion

Because my friend you gravitate to the fun stuff. You need to include liquor.

{opnion}

707 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:17:27am

At this point I'm much less concerned about what the reaction of Iranians will be to how the excrement hits the air-circulating devise sometime between now and January 20 than I am about what the reaction will be here at home. What percent of the population really understands the nature of Ahmadinejad's regime? (Hah, what % know what an Ahmadinejad is?) Short of a first strike by Iran, isn't it almost inevitable that attacking them will bring down the wrath of even the most marginal moonbats, followed closely by those who just never bother to think about the subject?

708 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:17:56am

re: #699 goddessoftheclassroom Hey, good morning {goddess} - I hope you're doing well today. Don't remember - sorry - if you wanted the details of Jammie's sister's wake and funeral or not, but if you do, please e-mail me and I'll supply them for ya!

709 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:18:32am

re: #688 realwest

Thanks. Muguel needs candles, strokes are serious; a friend of mine had one & he could never talk again. Now Miguel typed us a message after his; but let's pray that whatever condition gave him his first one, does not send a second.

710 geepers  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:19:23am

ploome (#672),

Morning ploome.

It's inevitable that when you limit your field you'll get second rate results. And it gets even worse when you then only choose from the most devout to the "cause."

Throw islam into the mix and you're truly fucked.

Of course when when your plane falls out of the sky because the guy working on it doesn't know a torque wrench from a grease gun you can rest easy knowing that it was "allah's will."

711 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:19:28am
712 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:20:10am

re: #684 realwest

Hey, if Iran doesn't like McCain, that's as good a reason for electing him as any I can think of!

It wasn't as good as Pres. Reagan's quip "we begin boming in five minutes*" but, it got the point across.

*I cannot remember the actual quote.

713 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:21:22am

re: #700 Macker

And then the Mullahs turn around and state "it is the will of Allah" when their airliners crash. BULL-SHIT!


We would all like to think that there is a robust oposition to the Mullahocracy in Iran. The truth is that we cannot know.
The State controls all of the means of coersion & a fanatical, murderous, parlamentary group.
The other thing is that we do not know that what opposition that does exist is pro American.
After Carter enabled the overthrow of the Shaa, the mad Ayatollah ordered mass executions and there was a mass exodus.
I hope that there is a mass of people ready to rise, but who knows?

714 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:22:13am

I have a friend who had a stroke. If you see him, he can't talk, he basically just moans and drools. Does not walk very well.

But when he types emails to me, it is the same as he ever was, lucid, cogent, analytical.

The man has several advanced degrees and a doctorate, all obtained before the stroke, which occurred as he turned age 51. So, he has a great mind, and that mind still works the same as it always did.

Stroke scares the shit out of me.

715 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:22:56am
716 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:23:35am

re: #707 infidelia

Interesting read at Strategy Page.

Behind The Headlines

July 12, 2008: Iran is a mess. The economy suffers from growing inflation (over 25 percent) and unemployment (ditto). Jobs are more available to those who behave and avoid outspoken opposition to the religious dictatorship that has ruined the economy and made Iran an outlaw state in the world community. The government uses police state tactics to harass or imprison trade unions and media that speak openly about the incompetence and cruelty of the government. Thousands of "Revolutionary Guards" and guys who can best be described as "street thugs", are on the government payroll to intimidate or assault anti-government people, wherever they can be found. This sort of thing even makes many government supporters (about 20 percent of the population, mostly Islamic conservatives) uneasy.

The one Iranian threat that has some relevance is terrorism. Iran has invested billions of dollars in developing a terrorist infrastructure throughout the region, and the world. Many major intelligence agencies have detected this network, which has rarely been put to work carrying out attacks. If the Iranian terror network were ordered to make an all-out effort, it's uncertain how dangerous they would be. This, of course, is another reason most of the World does not want Iran to develop nuclear power plants (a source of radioactive material for terrorists) or nuclear weapons

717 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:25:08am

re: #709 Ojoe Yes, I couldn't agree with you more. Miguel has sent me some e-mails and is supposed to call me tonight and if he does, I'll post whatever information I think is appropriate on tomorrow's DT.

718 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:25:11am
719 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:25:19am

re: #711 Killgore Trout

Crime of the century...
Kid climbs up and gets stuck for a while in toy vending machine

She didn't bring a stuffed animal out with her?!

720 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:26:20am

re: #719 MandyManners

mischievious but honest!

721 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:26:22am

re: #713 opnion

We would all like to think that there is a robust oposition to the Mullahocracy in Iran. The truth is that we cannot know.


I'd like to think it. If there was much evidence of it I am sure that news of unrest and uprising in a 98% muslim country such as the Islamic Republic of Iran would be a topic of many articles posted by Charles.
*shrugs*

722 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:26:44am

re: #704 doriangrey

Heh heh heh and when the Israeli bombs fall will they also claim that it is the will of Stan Allah?

No they'll just blame it on the JOOOOOOS!

723 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:26:45am

re: #707 infidelia

Now you have a point but if we wait until the last idiot can see the necessity of using force against the evil people who only respond to force, we will be in a big mess, like we were in WW2. And even then, right up to the start, there was a considerable "peace" movement in the USA (America First it was called)

So now, we have learned some of the lessons of history, and I think we are at least in a small way using force as prophylactic, but the side effect is more squawking from the small picture peaceniks.

It is ironic to say the least that the peace protesters are complaining about the very events that are most probably preventing a general conflagration.

724 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:27:34am

re: #719 MandyManners

Heh, good point. It was an imperfect crime.

725 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:28:10am

re: #711 Killgore Trout

I used to be pretty good with those things.....But not that good.

726 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:29:44am

re: #707 infidelia Yes, you are correct about that. I do think more Americans are aware of the Iranian situation than do you, but it would surely bring down the wrath of the "activists" (read: far left weirdo's) in the Dem Party and might scare some other, more rational folks as well.
That's why I think, if he's gonna do anything at all, Bush will use Air and Navel Power to take out Iran's Command and Control, anti-aircraft missle systems
and Iran's Air Force probably within a week or two AFTER the general elections.
But I believe Bush when he said Iran will NOT get nuclear weapons while I'm President and do think he'll do something - what and when I'm just guessing at.

727 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:29:50am

re: #713 opnion

All I can say is, their time is running out.

728 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:30:07am

re: #716 SasquatchOnSteroids

Interesting read at Strategy Page.

Behind The Headlines


The Liberal September 10 mind set does not see any problem with Iran.
The Criminal Bush is trumping this up in their minds.
Does any rational person believ that Iran will not share nuclear devices with terrorists or that the Theocracy would hesitate to use nukes on Israel?

Israel shoud act & do it during the campaign, making Obama take a stand.

729 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:30:21am

re: #716 SasquatchOnSteroids

Interesting read at Strategy Page.

Behind The Headlines

That's nice. The only thing they can do right any more is make things go boom.

730 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:31:47am

re: #728 opnion

re: #729 infidelia

"It's just a tiny country"

Isn't that what BHO believes ?

731 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:33:58am

re: #728 opnion

Israel shoud act & do it during the campaign, making Obama take a stand.

Why, an October Surprise perhaps!

732 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:34:34am

Not much on fishing, but the scenery is magnificent

733 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:35:37am

re: #730 SasquatchOnSteroids

Germany: 137,826 sq. miles (356,970 sq.km), about the size of Montana

Iran: About 640,000 square miles

Tiny countries, even smaller than Iran, can cause great problems.

734 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:35:53am

re: #720 Boondock St. Bender

mischievious but honest!

Some kids you can't turn your back on for 20 seconds.

735 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:36:23am

re: #731 Macker

Why, an October Surprise perhaps!

Hmmm by October Surprise would you be suggesting perhaps a brand new sunrise over Iran?

736 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:36:34am

re: #730 SasquatchOnSteroids

re: #729 infidelia

"It's just a tiny country"

Isn't that what BHO believes ?

So were Japan and Germany, relative to us. I was amazed to learn that the Germans had a much bigger army than we did at the start of WWII.

If Iran's nuclear capability could be demonstrated in a way that would leave no doubt to anyone about the necessity of taking them out -- but the only way that would likely happen is a strike on Israel or our bases in the ME and that's an unreasonable price to have to pay to convince fools what we're up against.

737 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:36:52am

re: #724 Killgore Trout

Heh, good point. It was an imperfect crime.

She looked like she was having fun. I wonder how her folks handled it when they got home.

738 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:38:28am

re: #721 ec marm

I'd like to think it. If there was much evidence of it I am sure that news of unrest and uprising in a 98% muslim country such as the Islamic Republic of Iran would be a topic of many articles posted by Charles.
*shrugs*

Right. Under the Shah, Iran was secular. The young people today have known nothing but an Islamic State.
Our real problem is Islam.
We need to fend off the barbarians & make the Jihad dormant again.
The issue is if Islam can be reformed & if so how?

739 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:38:42am

re: #736 infidelia

So were Japan and Germany, relative to us. I was amazed to learn that the Germans had a much bigger army than we did at the start of WWII.

If Iran's nuclear capability could be demonstrated in a way that would leave no doubt to anyone about the necessity of taking them out -- but the only way that would likely happen is a strike on Israel or our bases in the ME and that's an unreasonable price to have to pay to convince fools what we're up against.

Nothing will convince the fools not even nuclear weapons detonating on America soil.

740 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:39:46am

re: #739 doriangrey

There are some fools who are complete fools.

No one should pay any attention to them.

741 infidelia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:39:51am

Well, I'm a bit under the weather today so I guess I'll have to settle for the lounge chair on the porch instead of the beach. At least it's free of screaming kids and guys in red coats with muskets...

Kindest thoughts to Jammie and Miguel.

742 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:40:18am

re: #714 rawmuse
Yeah, strokes scare the crap outta me, too. And Miguel did say that he has difficulty typing right now and I suspect that's why he hasn't posted anything further about his situation out here.
His e-mails to me are short but perfectly well written and typed as well as I type!
Well, actually better typed.
Sigh.

743 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:40:29am

Obama's Arrogance


Morning all.

744 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:40:53am

re: #731 Macker

Why, an October Surprise perhaps!

Yes, make the candidates take a stand. How could Obama nuance something like an Israeli attack on Iran?
In 'Dreams of My Father" he talks about standing with Muslims.
Let's see.

745 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:40:55am

re: #729 infidelia

dunnigan(strat page)is required reading.ck out his book"how to make war"or for a very interesting look at society in general"dirty little secrets of the twentieth century"it'll make you look like a genius at parties.

746 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:41:29am

re: #732 SasquatchOnSteroids

Ah, that looks nice. Wanna bet there's beer in that canoe?

747 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:41:34am

re: #737 MandyManners

She looked like she was having fun. I wonder how her folks handled it when they got home.

Quite the amusing little girl. A problem solver and an action taker. If that could be properly channeled she could have a very bright future.

748 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:41:38am

re: #738 opnion

I think it cannot be reformed, more or less it is equivalent to the 'religion' of the Aztecs.

749 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:41:44am

re: #735 doriangrey

Hmmm by October Surprise would you be suggesting perhaps a brand new sunrise over Iran?

An Israeli and/or Allied military camaign vs. Iran is certainly not out of the question during October. That said, I pray to God that we won't have to use nuclear weapons to take out the Mullahs.

750 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:42:25am

re: #747 doriangrey

She is perhaps the reincarnation of U.S. Grant.

751 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:43:04am

re: #717 realwest

Yes, I couldn't agree with you more. Miguel has sent me some e-mails and is supposed to call me tonight and if he does, I'll post whatever information I think is appropriate on tomorrow's DT.


Please tell him my thoughts and prayers are with him.

752 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:43:59am

re: #749 Macker

An Israeli and/or Allied military camaign vs. Iran is certainly not out of the question during October. That said, I pray to God that we won't have to use nuclear weapons to take out the Mullahs.

Oh have no worries Macker, there is no one in the US government with the balls to use nuclear weapons again.

753 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:44:14am

slice:
I think Obama should hold a political rally at the Brandenburg Gate; if only for the inevitable elitist reavealing moment when it all boomerangs back. could be fun.

Or it might tell us why a candidate who hasn't even been nominated yet wants to re-enact some of the most famous scenes from both Reagan and JFK's highlight reels by holding a rally at Germany's Brandenburg Gate, even though he's not a head of state yet. (German authorities, aware of Obama's rock-star status with the German public, diplomatically suggested that it was up to Obama to decide what is in "good taste.")

754 BlueCanuck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:44:25am

Well time to log off and head home. Been busy lurking and monitoring workplace. Real, give my regards to Miguel. I hope we see him back here soon. We miss him.

Have good day lizards

755 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:44:28am

re: #727 Macker

All I can say is, their time is running out.


Amen.
Both the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were warned by leaflets to leave the cities prior to the nuclear attacks which ended WWII. If they had, they would have shut down the Japanese war effort. The cities were targeted because of their importance to the military.
Compare and contrast the mindset of the Japanese people toward their Emporer at that time and the mindset of the adherents of the ideology of Islam. I can't see how this is going to end well.

756 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:45:22am

re: #746 Killgore Trout

But not even a trolling motor.
No such thing as drunk paddling.

757 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:45:27am

re: #747 doriangrey

Quite the amusing little girl. A problem solver and an action taker. If that could be properly channeled she could have a very bright future.

I feel for her parents.

758 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:45:52am

re: #755 ec marm

the parallels are many, start with airplane suicide attacks

759 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:45:59am

re: #738 opnion

Right. Under the Shah, Iran was secular. The young people today have known nothing but an Islamic State.
Our real problem is Islam.
We need to fend off the barbarians & make the Jihad dormant again permanently BOXED.
The issue is if Islam can be reformed & if so how?

There, fixed that for ya!

760 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:46:06am

re: #755 ec marm

Amen.
Both the cities of Nagasaki and Hiroshima were warned by leaflets to leave the cities prior to the nuclear attacks which ended WWII. If they had, they would have shut down the Japanese war effort. The cities were targeted because of their importance to the military.
Compare and contrast the mindset of the Japanese people toward their Emporer at that time and the mindset of the adherents of the ideology of Islam. I can't see how this is going to end well.

It's not going to end well at all, but no one is going to go nuke unless Iran does first.

761 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:46:14am

re: #748 Ojoe

I think it cannot be reformed, more or less it is equivalent to the 'religion' of the Aztecs.


Probably correct. Since yview the Koran as the 'literal" word of god, how do you moderate it?

762 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:47:30am

re: #757 MandyManners

I feel for her parents.

Yes indeed, but I still must confess I laughed my ass off at the video... Better them than me as the old saying goes...

763 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:47:42am

re: #757 MandyManners

they do have their hands full.

764 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:47:47am

re: #715 ploome hineni

lol

dog need rabies shots, heartworm- something in 5 years

I am thinking how wrecked I would be if I had lost an animal who was chipped, and the animal was not scanned

anyway, I know what you are saying

so many people here leave their dogs tied up outside of stores while they 'run in for a minute'. i hate to see that. it is so irresponsible.
i ask them. 'would you leave your child tied up outside?' i also tell them that people steal dogs to sell to research labs.
i know a woman who lost her french bulldog. gone when she came out,
most people don't get their pets back.

765 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:47:57am
766 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:48:33am

re: #761 opnion

You don't.

Humanity may well rue the day that the sayings of muhammad fount their war to a scribe.

767 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:48:50am

re: #759 Macker

There, fixed that for ya!


You are probably right. But then it never goes away. The jihad can sleep for years & years & then strike again.

768 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:49:18am

re: #765 FrogMarch

2008: The year of the JOKE candidates.


(McCain excluded)

Frogmarch thanks for the great links today!

769 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:49:44am

found their way to a scribe.

PIMF

770 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:49:47am

re: #767 opnion

true,islam is a generational time bomb.

771 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:50:07am

re: #762 doriangrey

re: #763 Boondock St. Bender

I'm waiting for evolution to give parents eyes in the back of our heads.

772 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:50:34am

re: #766 Ojoe

You don't.

Humanity may well rue the day that the sayings of muhammad fount their war to a scribe.

The illiterate, psycho. pedophile still has such a huge impact.

773 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:50:34am

re: #769 Ojoe

think you had it right the first time"found their war in a scribe"

774 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:50:41am

re: #770 Boondock St. Bender

true,islam is a generational time bomb.

they need to implode on themselves.

775 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:51:10am

re: #769 Ojoe

found their way to a scribe.

PIMF

I think you had it right the first time... ;P

776 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:51:12am

re: #771 MandyManners

re: #763 Boondock St. Bender

I'm waiting for evolution to give parents eyes in the back of our heads.

I think it has! At least, my dad always claimed to have eyes in the back of his head . . .

777 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:52:23am

re: #751 Typicalwhitey
Hi Typicalwhitey - yep, you're on the list I've made for Miguel - which of course includes the phrase "among many others" because my list is incomplete to day the least!
But thank you for your concern.

778 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:53:56am

Brokaw just delivered a very touching tribute to Tony Snow.
There was a clip of Russert interviewing him. Very eerie.

779 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:54:33am

re: #771 MandyManners

those would come in handy!(good for catching the long ball in softball too)

780 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:54:50am

Oh, boy. This is rich:

SHREVEPORT, La. — Actors Josh Brolin and Jeffrey Wright, along with members of a crew filming an Oliver Stone movie, were arrested during a bar fight Saturday morning, police said.

In the article:

Stone has said the film, which will focus on the life and presidency of Bush, won't be an anti-Bush polemic, but, as he told Daily Variety, "a fair, true portrait of the man. How did Bush go from being an alcoholic bum to the most powerful figure in the world?"

It's going to be a "fair, true portrait of the man". Yeah.

781 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:54:53am

re: #776 reine.de.tout

I think it has! At least, my dad always claimed to have eyes in the back of his head . . .

Telling kids you know what they're up to is the beginning of their realizing that we parents are smarter than we look.

782 ec marm  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:54:56am

re: #760 doriangrey

It's not going to end well at all, but no one is going to go nuke unless Iran does first.


From what I've read of the armaments being prepared, every effort is being made to keep civilian casualties to a minimum. But the Iranians have built some of these installations so far underground or into the side of mountains, the precision involved with traditional explosives is going to be the hardest part of ending their nuclear ambitions.

783 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:54:59am

RCP has the obambi down to 4%.

784 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:55:15am

re: #776 reine.de.tout

ha,ha he just knew you well!

785 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:55:26am

re: #755 ec marm
Not to mention that we allowed a two day time lag between bombing one city and then the other, in the hopes that the Emperor would do what he did after we used an A-Bomb on the Second City. Tojo and the other Fanatics didn't care about Hiroshima or Nagasaki, they wanted to fight until the last Japanese life if need be (although I strongly doubt that they meant their OWN lives as well).

786 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:55:37am

re: #779 Boondock St. Bender

Good on the freeway, too.

787 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:55:41am

re: #765 FrogMarch

2008: The year of the JOKE candidates.


(McCain excluded)

Speaking of which...
Shout out to Tammy Bruce.

McCain Is Lookin' SOOOOO Good These Days

788 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:55:51am

re: #768 Typicalwhitey

Frogmarch thanks for the great links today!

Sure. I fully expect a tap on the shoulder and a soft assuring whisper to tell us to wake up. It's all a bad dream - a huge joke.

Ron Paul
Obama
McKinney
....

It's a joke, right?

789 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:56:10am

re: #780 reine.de.tout

Oh, boy. This is rich:

SHREVEPORT, La. — Actors Josh Brolin and Jeffrey Wright, along with members of a crew filming an Oliver Stone movie, were arrested during a bar fight Saturday morning, police said.

In the article:


It's going to be a "fair, true portrait of the man". Yeah.

I despise that twit.

790 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:56:14am

re: #777 realwest

Hi Typicalwhitey - yep, you're on the list I've made for Miguel - which of course includes the phrase "among many others" because my list is incomplete to day the least!
But thank you for your concern.

Hey Real, please tell Miguel , that I said, "El Dios es con usted"
Hope that makes sense.

791 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:56:15am

re: #780 reine.de.tout

I posted that in the Links last night. I love that story. What a sane crew that is...

792 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:56:17am

re: #777 realwest

Thank you Real.
Once again in the last few day, I was getting on while you were leaving lol.
Glad to see you here this morning!

793 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:58:07am

re: #765 FrogMarch
OY! Bob Barr, Ralph Nader and now Cynthia McKinney?
Well at least they are as well qualifed to be POTOUS and Leader of the Free World as is Obama!

794 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:58:56am

re: #787 SasquatchOnSteroids

Oh, yeah!

795 opnion  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:58:59am

See ya later lizards, probably from the airport.
Gotta fly today. I just love the perp walk for the crack TSA team!

796 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:59:06am

re: #777 realwest

Good morning to you, and the rest of the lizards too.

Please send my best to Miguel. Have been worrying about him.

797 jaunte  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:59:25am

re: #777 realwest

Good morning realwest; hope you're having a good day today. Please tell Miguel I'm one among the many wishing him well.

798 jorline  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:59:44am

re: #485 realwest

Good morning back atcha - I'm doing ok this morning, thanks, how's about you? How are you doing?

Sorry for my delay, RW...I had to go to the restaurant this morning to make sure we're ready for the day...busy weekend. Thank you for asking...I'm well.

I hope Miguel has a speedy recovery. I didn't know him personally on LGF, but I've read and enjoyed his comments for years before hatching.

799 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:59:45am

re: #785 realwest

Big exposition of the many part effort in the run up to using the bomb, in W.Churchill's book "Triumph and Tragedy"

Millions of leaflets dropped

Some cities mentioned in leaflets bombed conventionally in a small way to get the point across

and so on.

I don't have the book with me or I'd quote it

800 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:59:48am

re: #778 opnion Do you know if there's a transciption anywhere?

801 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 8:59:54am

re: #793 realwest

Where do i know cnthia mckinney from?drwing a blank

802 DesertSage  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:08am

U.S. and Iraq scale back security deal plans

The best part comes at the end:

The withdrawal stemmed partly from the need for more U.S. troops in Afghanistan to fight the rising insurgency by the Taliban and other fighters.

Lefty has been demanding that we should "Bring the troops home". It seems like the troops will be redeployed to Afghanistan instead of coming home. I wonder what Obama thinks about that? He certainly is in a quandary, isn't he? Will he still promise to 'bring them home', or is he OK with sending them to Afghanistan?

803 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:09am

Re Islamic countries

Nothing has changed for...how long?

And we are "hoping" for the islamicists to change?

As an optimist, let's push our elected "leaders" into doing something that is successful and democracy-promoting...

But, really...

With what I see on the immediate horizon, nothing will change.

I pray for Israel - my thinking is it will come down to that. Our leaders will do NOTHING but the "hem-and-haw" of politicians until and when the idiotically-dangerous country(ies) do something REALLY serious to Israel or another of our allies. And, by God, it better be ballstothewalls in our reaction at that time!

And it just plain pisses me off that we seem to be "waiting" for something serious to happen.

Why do we wait?

804 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:13am

re: #787 SasquatchOnSteroids

Speaking of which...
Shout out to Tammy Bruce.

McCain Is Lookin' SOOOOO Good These Days

That pic of Cynthia would make a good avatar for someone.

805 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:15am

re: #795 opnion

See ya later lizards, probably from the airport.
Gotta fly today. I just love the perp walk for the crack TSA team!

May it better than bearable! (but certainly not bare-able...)

806 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:32am

re: #778 opnion

Brokaw just delivered a very touching tribute to Tony Snow.
There was a clip of Russert interviewing him. Very eerie.

I know Brokaw must be a huge liberal - but he is a decent guy. He knows the definition of respect and dignity.

Related: Steyn on Tony

807 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:36am

re: #781 MandyManners

Telling kids you know what they're up to is the beginning of their realizing that we parents are smarter than we look.

My 16-year-old is supposed to call in every now and then when she's out running around with her friends. One day, I tried to call her, but got her voice mail. I then called the friend she was supposed to be with, and he told me that yes, she was with him, but had gone to the bathroom and said he would have her call me when she got back. After awhile, when I still had not heard from her, I called him again, at which point he told me she and a few others in the group had gone to a different store in the shopping center where they were all supposed to be.

At this point I knew full well that she was not with that group of friends, at all. I knew then that she had driven to the next town to pick up somebody when she is not supposed to be driving out of town.

She was absolutely amazed that I figured it out.

808 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:01:18am

re: #801 Boondock St. Bender

Congress. She's more than usually embarrassing.

809 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:02:16am

re: #791 rawmuse

I posted that in the Links last night. I love that story. What a sane crew that is...

I love the links, but I find that whether or not you see something depends on what time you check out the links. So I didn't mean to step on your "find', I just had not seen this yet.

And yes, what a "sane" crew.

810 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:02:49am

re: #787 SasquatchOnSteroids

Speaking of which...
Shout out to Tammy Bruce.

McCain Is Lookin' SOOOOO Good These Days

She's channeling Buckwheat.

811 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:03:20am

re: #804 rawmuse

Ha, that would be a good one.

812 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:04:07am

re: #793 realwest

Insanity!

813 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:05:01am

BTW for anyone who hasn't seen it this new McCain Ad I highly recommend it.

And if anyone wants to donate, you can click on my name and donate through my web page.
I have set a personal goal of raising 2000 for his campaign.

814 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:05:11am

re: #800 realwest

Thanks for the info on JWF.
Noble work you are doing, sir.

815 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:05:14am

re: #810 FrogMarch

I used to be registered green

but they just want to legalize marijuana, that is green

I quit

816 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:06:11am

Well, Lizards, nice to chat with you all. I am off to my retreat, which has no internet. I must admit that I miss this site when I am away, because you are all (for the most part) just so darned engaging and brainy. See you in a few days.

817 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:06:38am

re: #816 rawmuse

Well, Lizards, nice to chat with you all. I am off to my retreat, which has no internet. I must admit that I miss this site when I am away, because you are all (for the most part) just so darned engaging and brainy. See you in a few days.

{rawmuse}

We'll miss you! Take care,

818 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:07:05am

re: #816 rawmuse

Enjoy the solitude, worth more every 4 years.

819 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:07:48am

re: #816 rawmuse

Peace.

820 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:10:12am

re: #816 rawmuse

Well, Lizards, nice to chat with you all. I am off to my retreat, which has no internet. I must admit that I miss this site when I am away, because you are all (for the most part) just so darned engaging and brainy. See you in a few days.

By retreat I do hope you mean recording studio.... :)

821 razorbacker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:10:16am

re: #80 BlueCanuck

Okay, I have to vent a bit about something here. Please lay off Obama and his ears. I am sure he has given us more than enough to bust his balls about, but lay off on the ears. I am sure he has had people bother him about it for most of his life and I could sympathize with it. Not standing up for him or what he trys to represent. Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

/try to see how you like going through public school with the nickname Dumbo.

Can we mention why Mr. Obama is so thin?

Mr. Surber suggests it is due to a lifetime of bigger boys girls students beating him up and stealing his lunch money.

822 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:11:09am

re: #807 reine.de.tout

And for how long did you ground her?

823 MajorPribluda  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:13:57am

re: #581 opnion

Yeah, I have always heard that & he comes across as a good guy.
When you think about it ,Rush is to the new media what Abner Doubleday is to baseball.
What he did to the MSM is a beautiful thing.

Rush, like Newt Gingrich, has been so vilified by our agenda media that people who don't know much about him assume he is a sh1tbag. I know perfectly reasonable people on the left (I said they were reasonable, not smart) who roll their eyes and mutter about "hate speech" when I mention Rush Limbaugh.
I can see disagreeing with him, but "hate speech"? The man's never spoken a hateful word that I've heard. The people who push the "hate" thing are really saying that he disagrees with them, and that in order to disagree with the Left, Rush must by definition be evil, hateful, what-have-you. And the media just passes it right along, because it fits their view.
So when the MSM had Rush on the ground and kept kicking, it was simple payback for the brutal reality you referred to above. Before blogs, before web pages, before email was a commodity, there was Rush Limbaugh, with his boot in the MSM's crack. Every time you look at the MSM's sagging numbers, think of the Promethean who broke their monopoly.
Thank you, Rush. $400 Million for changing the world? It's a bargain.

824 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:14:15am

Petty stupidity

It is crap like this that almost makes me want to blow my cover over there!

825 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:14:58am

re: #815 Ojoe

I used to be registered green

but they just want to legalize marijuana, that is green

I quit

The rules are so silly. You can't be pro-environment. no no. A modern green must be anti-American, conspiracy theory immersed and blame all things on evil rethuglicans and George Bush all while stoned out of your mind.

826 Boondock St. Bender  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:16:05am

re: #825 FrogMarch

the last thing explains alot of what came before it

827 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:16:45am

re: #807 reine.de.tout

My parents tried to corral me by limiting my mileage. I learned how to disconnect the spedometer.

828 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:17:38am
829 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:17:56am

re: #782 ec marm Well you know EC, we don't necessarily have to get all the way down; we just have to seal it up, so no one can get in or out and if they try, just stop that effort as well.
Iran - or at least the Mullahs - have greatly underestimated OUR capabilities in this regard, Israel's capabilities in this regard and genuinely believe that the second-rate Russian equipment that they've purchased could stop either the US or Israel.

830 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:18:16am

re: #822 Macker

And for how long did you ground her?

Well, she came clean immediately once we confronted her.

No car or outings for 2 weeks, except to go to work or workout / run, and no gas money from us for a month, she has to use her own money for gas during that time.

She doesn't watch TV or play video games - it's hard to figure out a good punishment for her.

She also has been known to do things knowing full well that she will be punished for it, but willing to accept the punishment. She's been a tough one . . .

831 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:19:11am

re: #828 ploome hineni

how about a 'fair true portrait' of Obama

how he went from being the son of a muslim father and his BIGAMOUS (at best) relationship with an 18 year old from Kansas

to his life as a muslim in Indonesia with his mother's husband

to claiming he was brought up by a single mother and his white grandparents

how he was able to get the nomination as the candidate for President of the United States representing the Democratic Party

Obama was sworn in as a senator on January 4, 2005

Obama declares he's running for president May 2, 2007

Obama's 143 Days of Senate Experience


who has PACKAGED and FUNDED obama?

it is obvious he is a sockpuppet...he is INCAPABLE of holding his own, without prepared pseech, teleprompter or notes

Daddy Sorosbucks had him picked out a long time ago.

832 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:19:48am
833 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:20:14am
834 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:20:34am

re: #824 Typicalwhitey

Petty stupidity

It is crap like this that almost makes me want to blow my cover over there!

Just more proof that liberalism is a mental disorder.......

835 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:21:08am

re: #833 ploome hineni

ok

going to hOME dEPOT

UGHHHHHHHHHHHH

Home Despot is a scary place - bring along some backup.

836 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:22:07am

re: #830 reine.de.tout

She also has been known to do things knowing full well that she will be punished for it, but willing to accept the punishment. She's been a tough one . . .

A few weeks ago The Kid refused to come to the car after his prescribed time at the park. I told him he had a choice: either get in the car right then or, not come back to the park for a week.

This was not long after his banishment from the park for three weeks for a very, very serious infraction so I figured he'd hop right into the car. Nope. The little turd said, "Okay" and went back to playing.

837 Typicalwhitey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:22:08am

re: #835 debutaunt

Home Despot is a scary place - bring along some backup.


Wow I will go with you.
I am one of the few women I know who owns her own power tools!

838 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:22:30am

re: #832 ploome hineni

that MUST BE exposed

They are being exposed.

839 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:22:36am

re: #835 debutaunt

Home Despot is a scary place - bring along some backup.

There is not enough back up in the whole world for a visit to the Home Despot...

840 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:23:39am

re: #829 realwest

Well you know EC, we don't necessarily have to get all the way down; we just have to seal it up, so no one can get in or out and if they try, just stop that effort as well.
Iran - or at least the Mullahs - have greatly underestimated OUR capabilities in this regard, Israel's capabilities in this regard and genuinely believe that the second-rate Russian equipment that they've purchased could stop either the US or Israel.

the syrians did not know Israel hit there nuke plant until it exploded.

841 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:23:52am

re: #828 ploome hineni

ooh! Wouldn't you just love to see that? But it wouldn't be an Oliver Stone flick . . .

And interesting observation: Who has packaged and funded Obama?

Years ago, I read a book by Charles McCarry, "Lucky Bastard", a "fiction" novel, but a thinly disguised conjecture answering that same question about Clinton.

842 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:24:01am

BBIAW...........Must go grocery shopping...............sigh... I hate shopping of any kind...

843 rwmofo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:24:34am

re: #830 reine.de.tout

All teenagers go through the period that I characterize as "rectal-cranial inversion." The period during which this affliction lasts will vary from kid to kid. They eventually get over it and you usually receive a contrite apology.

Scientific explanations tend to lean toward puberty, hormones, etc. Don't forget that during this time the kid is allegedly smarter than we are. I could never remember that part.

844 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:24:57am

re: #790 opnion Si, yo comprendo! I will do so my friend, just as long as he calls me or e-mails me his phone number and I can call him.
I am very concerned for Miguel.

845 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:25:16am

re: #836 MandyManners

A few weeks ago The Kid refused to come to the car after his prescribed time at the park. I told him he had a choice: either get in the car right then or, not come back to the park for a week.

This was not long after his banishment from the park for three weeks for a very, very serious infraction so I figured he'd hop right into the car. Nope. The little turd said, "Okay" and went back to playing.

{MandyManners}

846 doriangrey  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:25:25am

re: #840 yochanan

the syrians did not know Israel hit there nuke plant until it exploded.

Actually I think they didnt know until they couldnt contact the facility for 10 or 12 hours...

847 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:25:39am

re: #844 realwest

send regards from me too,

848 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:26:12am

re: #796 Pvt Bin Jammin
I will certainly do so PBJ! And Sage as well.

849 Desert Dog  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:26:30am

re: #843 rwmofo

I am sorry to inform you that many never recover from that affliction. They grow up to be adults and have no choice but to join the Democratic Party (or support Ron Paul, your choice)

850 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:26:50am

re: #836 MandyManners

A few weeks ago The Kid refused to come to the car after his prescribed time at the park. I told him he had a choice: either get in the car right then or, not come back to the park for a week.

This was not long after his banishment from the park for three weeks for a very, very serious infraction so I figured he'd hop right into the car. Nope. The little turd said, "Okay" and went back to playing.

Well, then, now you know what is and is not important to him.

What I ended up having to do was stop telling her in advance what the penalty would be, and also figure out what was important to her.

Currently what's important is the car and the cell phone.

851 gettinby  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:27:09am

re: #843 rwmofo

All teenagers go through the period that I characterize as "rectal-cranial inversion." The period during which this affliction lasts will vary from kid to kid. They eventually get over it and you usually receive a contrite apology.

Scientific explanations tend to lean toward puberty, hormones, etc. Don't forget that during this time the kid is allegedly smarter than we are. I could never remember that part.

And some NEVER outgrow it.

/remembering one of my ex-husbands.

852 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:27:20am

re: #837 Typicalwhitey

Wow I will go with you.
I am one of the few women I know who owns her own power tools!

Have you seen the commercial showing the woman who couldn't get any help there and she used the forklift and made her own keys!

853 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:27:37am

re: #797 jaunte Hey juante, yeah I'm doing ok, busier than a one legged man in an ass kicking contest, but I'm doing fine and will certainly pass your regards on to Miguel.

854 jaunte  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:28:14am

re: #853 realwest

Thanks! Busy is good.

855 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:28:32am

re: #850 reine.de.tout

The cell phone is the greatest leverage and its confiscation is immediate.

856 debutaunt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:28:38am

re: #836 MandyManners

A few weeks ago The Kid refused to come to the car after his prescribed time at the park. I told him he had a choice: either get in the car right then or, not come back to the park for a week.

This was not long after his banishment from the park for three weeks for a very, very serious infraction so I figured he'd hop right into the car. Nope. The little turd said, "Okay" and went back to playing.

Where in heck did he get an attitude like that?

857 Dianna  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:29:29am

re: #848 realwest

Include me as well; I am likely to miss you for the rest of the day.

858 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:30:04am

re: #801 Boondock St. Bender She's the idiot congresswoman (D-Ga) who had the run-ins with the DC Cops and Captial Police because she was too important to have to show her Congressional Badge to security guards at the capital, among other things!

859 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:31:00am

re: #843 rwmofo

All teenagers go through the period that I characterize as "rectal-cranial inversion." The period during which this affliction lasts will vary from kid to kid. They eventually get over it and you usually receive a contrite apology.

Scientific explanations tend to lean toward puberty, hormones, etc. Don't forget that during this time the kid is allegedly smarter than we are. I could never remember that part.

LOL! Yes, I am dumber than dumb, an blithering idiot.

I've actually read some studies that indicate that the brain of teens isn't yet fully functional as to cause/effect (or something like that) - wish I could find it.

A good book for dealing with teens:
Get Out of My Life, but First Could You Drive Me & Cheryl to the Mall: A Parent's Guide to the New Teenager, Revised and Updated

860 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:33:19am

FWIW, Home Depot and Lowes are the WalMarts of hardware stores: everything they sell is made in China. It didn't used to be that way, but it sure is now.

861 SasquatchOnSteroids  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:33:23am

The RuPauls are claiming 15-20,000 people at their rally.

I believe his mathematicals may be suspect.

862 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:35:00am

re: #845 goddessoftheclassroom

{MandyManners}

Thanks, goddess. I banged my head against the steering wheel for a bit.

863 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:35:38am

This is very bad.....
White House foreign policy for sale?

Follow the link and watch the video. This is really bad.

864 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:35:51am

re: #824 Typicalwhitey
GACK! I cannot believe you linked us to KOS! What on earth were you thinking?!?!

865 goddessoftheclassroom  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:36:38am

re: #862 MandyManners

My ultimate weapon is the threat of embarrassment of the boys in front of their friends. They know I will follow through.

866 razorbacker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:36:41am

re: #859 reine.de.tout

LOL! Yes, I am dumber than dumb, an blithering idiot.

I've actually read some studies that indicate that the brain of teens isn't yet fully functional as to cause/effect (or something like that) - wish I could find it.

A good book for dealing with teens:
Get Out of My Life, but First Could You Drive Me & Cheryl to the Mall: A Parent's Guide to the New Teenager, Revised and Updated

Reminds me of a cartoon starring Foghorn Leghorn babysitting a little nipper whilst his mother goes off to work at a defense plant. The mother leaves Leghorn a book "How to raise children".

The child acts like a monster, of course. When the mother retuirns Leghorn complains that the book didn't work.

Final scene is of the mother with child over her knee being spanked with the book. Mom says, "It's always worked for me."

867 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:36:46am

re: #850 reine.de.tout

Well, then, now you know what is and is not important to him.

What I ended up having to do was stop telling her in advance what the penalty would be, and also figure out what was important to her.

Currently what's important is the car and the cell phone.

Oh, going to the park is a major deal for him. The problem was that he wanted to stay more at that moment than he could imagine not coming at all. But, he's not refused to get in the car when told since then. He knows I mean business.

868 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:37:33am

re: #856 debutaunt

Where in heck did he get an attitude like that?

Lack of impulse control and failure of imagination are not unheard of in seven-year-old kids.

869 _remembertonyc  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:38:35am

Went to see Carole King last night at Foxwoods. She told a story about performing for 5000 troops on an aircraft carrier in the Persian Gulf. But she added "the best way to support the troops is to bring them home." It was kind of weird because she almost seemed embarrassed when she said it. It was as if she said an obligatory anti war phrase because it was expected. But I was impressed that she did go on a USO junket to entertain our best citizens.

And her show (average spectator age was appx 60) was very pleasant. Even though I was one of the younger audience members :)

By the way, I am going to see Coldplay in 3 weeks. Has anyone seen them live?

870 grumpy old codger  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:38:40am

re: #829 realwest
What they be counting on more than technology is the duration of the conflict. Given their willingness to throw children against Iraq in the last Iraqi-Irani war, they may be looking at just driving up US (and the way Olmert is lately) and Israeli casualties and make it a war of attrition. They could be banking on neither the US nor Israel using neuclear weapons and then buying time while the various peace parties wring their hands and cry about the losses in the West. Their losses won't count because everyone will have their little plastic key to paradise.

871 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:38:46am

re: #858 realwest

She's the idiot congresswoman (D-Ga) who had the run-ins with the DC Cops and Captial Police because she was too important to have to show her Congressional Badge to security guards at the capital, among other things!

Not to mention regularly playing the Race Card....

872 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:38:48am

re: #859 reine.de.tout

LOL! Yes, I am dumber than dumb, an blithering idiot.

I've actually read some studies that indicate that the brain of teens isn't yet fully functional as to cause/effect (or something like that) - wish I could find it.

A good book for dealing with teens:
Get Out of My Life, but First Could You Drive Me & Cheryl to the Mall: A Parent's Guide to the New Teenager, Revised and Updated

I've heard of a study about the lack of impulse control extends into the early 20s for males.

873 realwest  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:39:12am

re: #847 yochanan
Absolutely will do!

874 rwmofo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:39:17am

I was out golfing (and drinking) yesterday with my buds and didn't hear about Tony Snow until last night. I'm sure that pretty much everything that could be said about him has been said by now, but I have to echo the obvious:

Tony Snow reminded me of no one. He was unique and one of the greatest gifts we've ever had. As soon as he started speaking I would find myself smiling at some of his profound observations - and he never saw the need to stick a knife in anyone. I really miss that guy.

875 grahamski  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:39:40am