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Obama's Jerusalem Flip-Flop Now Complete

Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 12:46:01 pm PDT

Yet another major policy reversal for Barack Obama, and again he’s blaming it on “poor phrasing.”

He’s very obviously giving in to the enormous pressure from pro-Palestinian groups.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said on Sunday he used “poor phrasing” in a speech supporting Jerusalem as the undivided capital of Israel.

“You know, the truth is that this was an example where we had some poor phrasing in the speech. And we immediately tried to correct the interpretation that was given,” he said in an interview aired on Sunday on CNN’s “Fareed Zakaria — GPS.”

“The point we were simply making was, is that we don’t want barbed wire running through Jerusalem, similar to the way it was prior to the ‘67 war, that it is possible for us to create a Jerusalem that is cohesive and coherent,” Obama said.

Obama’s campaign has issued similar clarifications since the candidate’s speech to pro-Israel lobby group after he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination early last month.

In the speech, Obama told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that if elected president in November, he would work for peace with a Palestinian state alongside Israel. “Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided,” the Illinois senator said. Palestinian leaders reacted with anger and dismay. [And so, under the bus with you, Jerusalem! – ed.]

The bottom line here is that Barack Obama tried to pander to AIPAC with one of the most important issues for Israel, telling them exactly what they wanted to hear. Then he basked in the applause.

And now he’s weaseling out of it.

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1 winston06  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:47:13pm

Mr. Flip flop

2 Sharmuta  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:47:49pm

Is there anything this man's bus won't run over?

3 joncelli  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:48:55pm

People are starting to get it. People are starting to hesitate. I foresee a rough convention for the messiah...

4 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:49:39pm

Will he ever finish waffling?

5 Lynn B.  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:50:06pm

Getting awful crowded under that bus.

6 Timbre  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:51:40pm

"Poor phrasing?" How about poor thinking and poor knowledge of history?

7 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:52:13pm

How many "we"s are in there? Shouldn't he be saying "I"?

8 Pastorius  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:52:44pm

Stunning.

I guess it depends on what your definition of "undivided" is.

9 ggt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:53:35pm

"we don't want barbed wire running thru Jerusalem"

Well, who the H@ll do you think we are? Israelis?

It's not for us to say.

10 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:53:49pm

He is definitely Kneeling to Allah in a Way Wan Believe In.

11 Timbre  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:54:36pm

re: #7 rightwinger3

How many "we"s are in there? Shouldn't he be saying "I"?

You've opened a big door. Go through most Democrat speeches, especially the really liberal Democrats, and you'll find massive use of the term, "We must." They are definitely totalitarians!

12 hillbilly geek  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:56:04pm

Who is Wan?
re: #10 Macker


;-)

13 ggt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:56:20pm

“Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided

Well, yes, that would be optimum, but who the h@ll is Obama to state such absolutes? --about another country. IN what country does he think he is running for office?

/Preparing to be world overlord?

14 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:57:09pm

re: #11 Timbre

You've opened a big door. Go through most Democrat speeches, especially the really liberal Democrats, and you'll find massive use of the term, "We must." They are definitely totalitarians!

Where is the accountability? Obama or his speechwriters? The DNC, maybe?

15 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:58:15pm

he is so unscrupulous. he stands for nothing.

16 theheat  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 12:59:59pm
create a Jerusalem that is cohesive and coherent

Okay, I get cohesive, only maybe not in that context. How can a city be coherent? I can imagine the tourism posters: "Visit Jerusalem: voted most coherent".

Every time he speaks he says something stupid, or stupidly. Honestly, he's almost as painful to listen to as W. I'm thinking he's giving Bush a run for his money on most the embarrassing things ever said in public by a presidential candidate and/or president. That's saying a lot, right there. In Obama's case, that's saying too much.

He makes my skin crawl.

17 2SoonOld2LateSmart  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:00:58pm

Poor Phrase indeed.

At least it wasn't dirty.

Legendas Monty Python: The Dirty Hungarian Phrase Book

18 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:02:07pm

Barack H. Obama is an absolute "I'll say anything to get elected." novice.
He is as transparent as his supporters are...blind...in denial...hoodwinked...mezmerized...(take your pick)
Who could vote for this clown?

NObama! NObama! NObama! NObama!

19 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:02:40pm

re: #13 ggt

“Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided

Well, yes, that would be optimum, but who the h@ll is Obama to state such absolutes? --about another country. IN what country does he think he is running for office?

/Preparing to be world overlord?

Actually I just got to thinking of something this morning that I'm going to try to articulate here.

Some time ago we discussed Obama's desire to create a volunteer corp as large as the military. In my reading lately I found a lot of information about all of the civilian "corps" that FDR created. I think what we may be seeing from Obama is a similar program, on a larger scale. The presses obsession with things like Katrina, and the "crumbling infrastructure" spell out to me that they are preparing us for this eventuality. I also see the probability that we will not just see a series of domestic programs like FDR set up, but a huge expansive world-wide social program. This will probably be run and monitored by the UN. It's just that I see in my reading a lot of similarities between FDR's expansionist ideas, and what Obama might be suggesting. (hard to tell sometimes, he doesn't like to be pinned down on what he wants or believes). Plus his whole "world citizen" talk and behavior lead me to conclusion 2.

20 Timbre  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:02:46pm

re: #14 rightwinger3

I think it is the nature of liberals. They like to impose their thinking on others, thus the use of pluralistic mandates in their speeches: "We shall," "We must," We will never," etc.

21 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:03:05pm

re: #13 ggt

/Preparing to be world overlord?

His self-importance is surely up for it

22 NR Pax  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:03:06pm

If he keeps flipping around like this, can we hook him up to a generator? He'd be a perfect alternate energy source.

23 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:04:21pm

re: #14 rightwinger3

The accountability is in the voting booth, in November, with no-one looking over your shoulder.

24 marjoriemoon  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:05:06pm
The U.S. Congress passed a law in 1995 describing Jerusalem as capital of Israel and saying it should not be divided, but successive presidents have used their foreign policy powers to maintain the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and to back negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians on the status of Jerusalem.

Successive presidents? Um... that would be George Bush?

This is a lot of double talk to really say that although Congress passed the Jerusalem Embassy Act in 1995, our embassy has NOT been moved to Jerusalem.

25 DoubleU  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:05:39pm

re: #15 nyc redneck

nyc redneck, I responded to your question in the Ron Paul thread, but it was much later in the day.
So to answer your question from the other day look here, I think you will find it interesting. (I don't want to threadjack this thread)
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

26 winston06  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #2 Sharmuta

Next thing he'll throw under the bus as president will be the United States

27 nacazo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:08:02pm

The dirty Chicago politics of this candidate are all over the place. His kid said it best: He talks too much.

28 ggt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:08:15pm

re: #19 Mars Needs Neocons

The man was not raised in the US. He can't understand this country the way he thinks he does. How can someone who never had the opportunity to play youth baseball really be lead us?

I know that seems a poor argument. I have a hard time trusting some who didn't have the childhood that American's had. Until the age of 10, he was a muslim child living in the far east. No Sesame Street, Gilligan's Island reruns, etc.

He creeps me out.

I have no doubt that he and his ilk view the UN as a world government that lacks only the right leadership to create the kumbaya utopia of Karl Marx's wet dreams.

29 AuntAcid  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:08:36pm

All pinata, no candy.

30 Opinionated  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:08:56pm

With the good news that my fellow citizens may be walking up:

For the second straight day, the Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll shows that the race for the White House is tied. Sunday’s numbers show Barack Obama and John McCain each attracting 43% of the vote. When "leaners" are included, the two candidates are tied at 46%.

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

I hope the same for my fellow Jews.

31 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:09:16pm

re: #12 hillbilly geek

Who is Wan?

;-)

Oops, My Bad. "Can." PIMF.

32 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:09:50pm

re: #28 ggt

He creeps me out big time.

33 Thanos  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:10:20pm

The incisive question to ask to pin him down on this subject:

"If elected will you move the US Embassey in Israel to Jerusalem?"

34 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:10:42pm

re: #28 ggt

The man was not raised in the US. He can't understand this country the way he thinks he does. How can someone who never had the opportunity to play youth baseball really be lead us?

I know that seems a poor argument. I have a hard time trusting some who didn't have the childhood that American's had. Until the age of 10, he was a muslim child living in the far east. No Sesame Street, Gilligan's Island reruns, etc.

He creeps me out.

I have no doubt that he and his ilk view the UN as a world government that lacks only the right leadership to create the kumbaya utopia of Karl Marx's wet dreams.

Also when he lived in America he wasn't living in our America. His mother and her associates, and the later associates he gained wouldn't have seen the U.S. the way we do, and they sure as hell wouldn't have talked to him about the real U.S.

35 David IV of Georgia  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:12:14pm

re: #11 Timbre

You've opened a big door. Go through most Democrat speeches, especially the really liberal Democrats, and you'll find massive use of the term, "We must." They are definitely totalitarians!

I had a boss once that always said, "We must...", "We need to...", "We ought... " Somehow "We" always ended up a lot of work for me or my fellow coworkers, but never him. Does "We" have a meaning I don't know?

36 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:13:21pm

re: #35 David IV of Georgia

I had a boss once that always said, "We must...", "We need to...", "We ought... " Somehow "We" always ended up a lot of work for me or my fellow coworkers, but never him. Does "We" have a meaning I don't know?

Soviet style we. It means you and never I. I impose the rules and "we" live under them.

37 nacazo  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:14:21pm

re: #7 rightwinger3

How many "we"s are in there? Shouldn't he be saying "I"?

It's the manner of speech kings use when addressing their subjects.

38 runrabbitrun  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:14:44pm

re: #15 nyc redneck

he is so unscrupulous. he stands for nothing.

You got that right.

This is the candidate the Dems worked overtime to select. Obama is the 'ambiguous figure candidate'. Like those ambiguous line drawings (vase/two profiles) you saw in your Psych 101 textbooks, his policies can be defined and promoted to stand for any position the voter might be looking for. His positions can also be explained away in a handy fashion, in any circumstances whatsoever.

This, in addition to drawing in youth and demographic voting blocs that has been historically unreliable in getting to the polls in November, and Obama's having no law publishing or voting record that might be criticized or analyzed, is what the Dems are expecting will pull them over the finish line in November with the 3% extra percent they need.

If you follow debates and advertising, you will know why liberals have a natural 23% of the voting public behind them and understand how to stretch that minority to 49%. You will also mourn over why conservatives have a 70% natural US voting bloc behind their positions and manage to depress that number to a matching 49%.

39 VegasRick  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:15:04pm

re: #31 Macker

Oops, My Bad. "Can." PIMF.

re: #33 Thanos

The incisive question to ask to pin him down on this subject:

"If elected will you move the US Embassey in Israel to Jerusalem?"

His answer: 'Well, you know, um, we, um, will talk to everybody and, umm, uh, um, deciede as a um, nation what um, we need to do to um, make sure that we, um, uhh, um, oh ! Hope and Change everybody! *crowd of morons cheer

40 DoubleU  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:15:44pm

re: #35 David IV of Georgia

Tell him there is no "we" in "our team"

41 ggt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:16:03pm

re: #19 Mars Needs Neocons

another thought--about LBJ.

I'm not convinced that LBJ had any grand scheme in mind --except that he would be President. He did whatever it took. He pandered to who ever he had to pander to. If the people who could get votes for him wanted a civilian corps --he was for civilian corps. If the people who could get votes for him wanted more troops in Vietnam, he wanted more troops in Vietnam.

His only genius was that he was able to navigate the BS to see what would and wouldn't get him the votes he needed.

I feel the same about Obama. The people that have orchestrated his rise to power want the country to be recreated into a machine that will work for them. The socialist utopian dream is a means for them to get what they want --power mostly. If that is what will get Obama elected, then he is for it also.

The only difference between the two is that LBJ was the orchestra leader, obama isn't even in the pit, he is a puppet.

42 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:16:18pm

re: #35 David IV of Georgia

I would much rather her the words "Let Us"

As in Churchill's


"Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duty, and so bear ourselves that, if the British Commonwealth and the Empire last for a thousand years, men will still say, "This was their finest hour."

43 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:19:57pm

re: #41 ggt

Haven't made it up to LBJ yet in my book, but FDR is definitely shown as doing whatever he needed for powers sake. He would institute leftist plans, jailed or intimidated his fellow travelers that would criticize or act against him, then appropriate their plans as his own.

I begin to doubt Obama has the intelligence to be this kind of person. Most clearly he's a follower.

44 yochanan  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:20:10pm

NO! bama lied when he was at AIPAC. he is now back to his real position the same one he had before AIPAC.

NO! BAMA

45 MarineMomSue  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:21:41pm

re: #7 rightwinger3

How many "we"s are in there? Shouldn't he be saying "I"?

That was my first thought too, R/W.

When a mistake has to be rectified, suddenly the 1st person, plural is used.

A telling character trait, isn't it?

46 Venezuela lover  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:25:19pm

George Washington admitted cutting down the cherry tree and did not
say it was bad phrasing.
George W. "I cannot tell a lie, I cut down the cherry tree."

Barack Obama "I cannot use bad phrasing, but I really mean that the tree fell without me."

47 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:27:25pm

re: #25 DoubleU

thanks for the links. interesting.
i don't think think mccain's in his pocket, tho.

48 ggt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:29:16pm

re: #43 Mars Needs Neocons

Check out Robert Caro's biographies of LBJ --the links are in the Book Category of the spin-off link. I read Master of the Senate first. It was truly an eye-opener.

49 donbmcd  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:29:27pm

You know at least when he is presdient, Hanity and Limbaugh will have lots and lots to talk about each day.

50 DoubleU  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:31:15pm

re: #47 nyc redneck

Soros and many others want a new world order, they also have the money to fund it.

51 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:31:22pm

re: #48 ggt

Check out Robert Caro's biographies of LBJ --the links are in the Book Category of the spin-off link. I read Master of the Senate first. It was truly an eye-opener.

I'll take a look.

I recommend A Conservative History of the American Left by Daniel J. Flynn. Not real crazy about his anti-war stance in the last chapter, but it's only a brief detour in an incredible history.

52 rightwinger3  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:31:49pm

re: #45 MarineMomSue

That was my first thought too, R/W.

When a mistake has to be rectified, suddenly the 1st person, plural is used.

A telling character trait, isn't it?

Yeah it is. Absolutely incredible. No accountability, none. Disgusting.

53 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:32:48pm

re: #50 DoubleU

Soros and many others want a new world order, they also have the money to fund it.

Soros does. However, he funds so many special interest groups it would be more surprising to find a candidate that did not receive funds from one of his groups.

I despise Soros with all my heart, and even I can't accept the premise here.

54 ggt  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:42:22pm

re: #51 Mars Needs Neocons

thanks, put it in the book links for future reference!

55 amphibian  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:42:25pm

Bastard.

56 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:43:35pm

“The point we were I was simply making was that I will say anything to anyone anywhere at anytime for any reason if it connects with my audience," Obama said.

57 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:46:22pm

Fareed Zakaria.....think I've read enough.

58 Lawrence Schmerel  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:46:28pm

Any one at AIPAC was a fool to believe him in the first place.

59 Watcher  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:49:16pm
Jerusalem that is cohesive and coherent


What is that supposed to mean?

60 amphibian  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:49:47pm

re: #32 Ojoe

He creeps me out big time.

What a coincidence: he creeps me out big time too!

61 Teacake!  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:52:19pm

From all the info I've found on line about obama and george soros, not only does he basically own obama, he literally owns the democratic party. If obama - God forbid - were to win, he will do George Soros bidding and it is certain obama will do what he can to help George destroy Israel.

Mr. Soros I believe is more evil than hitler. He stated in an interview that as a youth while helping the nazis confiscate the homes and belongings of his fellow Jews, were the happiest days of his life and is what shaped his psyche. And it seems ever since then, he has done all he can to destroy nations and lives. That Obama is basically a front man for Soros makes him more dangerous than all of his other affilations. God help us if he is elected.

62 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:55:27pm

"Poor Phrasing" I'd like you to meet "out of context" and "Pastor Wright".
oh - and this is "Bill Ayres".

63 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:55:56pm

re: #60 amphibian

What a coincidence: he creeps me out big time too!

those halos are pretty disturbing. he is really believing the messiah hype.

64 maven  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:57:14pm

I believe that the Jews in the USA usually vote Democrat.

Obama just lost that vote.

He can't be trusted.

65 Sunlight  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:57:52pm

The day after that AIPAC speech, I heard even a guy from one of the Israeli consulates gushing over Obama's speech. Now I have to try to track down the local AIPAC people and the Israeli guy just to make sure they've seen this. Not that it will probably make too much difference. They'll plug their noses and vote (R) sometimes, but the default position is (D). Seems almost suicidal to me; certainly makes no sense.

66 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 1:57:56pm
that it is possible for us to create a Jerusalem that is cohesive and coherent...

yeah.
thanks for the clarification - Obama. that makes total sense.
/

67 Sunlight  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:00:38pm

re: #66 FrogMarch

yeah.
thanks for the clarification - Obama. that makes total sense.
/

How on earth can Jerusalem be "cohesive and coherent" when one group of people runs over the other group with construction equipment on an urban street?

68 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:01:22pm

re: #33 Thanos

/I think we already know the answer.

Saying that? I would hope that he will never be in that position.

I posted this in the spinoff's, and when Newsweak seems to actually not ♥ Hussein? A very special surprise.

Perhaps the blinders are ever so slooooowly peeling of the L3 MSM's eyes?

And I will bet that Hussein will trip himself fatally, politically...hopefully right after their convention, and Shrill has handed over all her delegates.

Seriously, as age 70, I want to live long enough to see Jerusalem recognized for what it always has been: the eternal capital of Israel. I have been waiting for 60 years.

69 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:01:29pm
70 baxtrice  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:03:14pm

Vapid, translucent, transparent, zero speak.

71 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:07:34pm
72 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:08:07pm

re: #67 Sunlight

How on earth can Jerusalem be "cohesive and coherent" when one group of people runs over the other group with construction equipment on an urban street?

You mean Jerusalem wont magically heal with Obama's impressive word selection? cohesive and coherent are such wonderful powerful words. They flow off the tongue and sound so messiah-like.
know hope.

/help us.

73 Daybrother  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:09:44pm
And now he’s weaseling out of it


Under President Obama weasel's will be accorded human rights and Taiwan and Israel will be disappeared.

My big domestic worries are:
!)The possibility of an actual breakup of the United States.
2)What happens when George Soros gains control of the US Treasury.

74 hershel  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:09:55pm

It goes way beyond his flip-flopping on Jerusalem. This slick, shallow hustler has no clue about foreign policy and if G-d forbid he becomes President he will be "clarifying" himself three times a week with disastrous results for our country. If there is anyone out there still unsure about voting for McCain I beg you to *please* consider the national interest. It is vital that Obama not be elected as POTUS.

75 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:10:23pm

re: #68 NY Nana

/I think we already know the answer.

Saying that? I would hope that he will never be in that position.

I posted this in the spinoff's, and when Newsweak seems to actually not ♥ Hussein? A very special surprise.

Perhaps the blinders are ever so slooooowly peeling of the L3 MSM's eyes?

And I will bet that Hussein will trip himself fatally, politically...hopefully right after their convention, and Shrill has handed over all her delegates.

Seriously, as age 70, I want to live long enough to see Jerusalem recognized for what it always has been: the eternal capital of Israel. I have been waiting for 60 years.

nana,
what a great post. i love the video.
:)

76 Daybrother  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:10:48pm

weasel's = weasels

77 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:11:51pm

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Most Jews will say, "Well, he said "Jerusalem as undivided capital of Israel to AIPAC,"" and will completely ignore his follow-up contortions.

willful blindness.

78 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:13:20pm
79 Palandine  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:15:24pm

*sigh*

I understand the truism that you can tell a politician is lying because his lips are moving, but Obama really brings that to a whole new level. It takes a special kind of overweening arrogance for a man who has the reputation (UNEARNED) of being a great orator to make a clear staement, and then immediately say the absolute opposite. It's bad news for Israel, worse news for us Americans if this man is elected.

80 Macker  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:16:00pm

re: #77 nyc redneck

willful blindness.

You got that right.

81 akak  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:17:52pm

re: #64 maven

I believe that the Jews in the USA usually vote Democrat.

Obama just lost that vote.

He can't be trusted.


70% Demonrat

82 Shay4l  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:17:57pm

re: #50 DoubleU

Soros and many others want a new world order, they also have the money to fund it.

No, he doesn't! The US budget is multiple trillion$. He cannot do what he wants with mere billion$.

THAT is why the big push with the puppet.

83 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:20:08pm

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz,

Dang. I hate it when you're right! ;) And sadly, you are on this.

Old habits die hard, and this incomprehensible loyalty to the Dhummis is suicidal in the case of Hussein. Masada redux?

84 Hawaiian cocoNUT  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:25:14pm

Professor (Bar Ilan U.)Mordechai Kedar gave the best answer on the Jerusalem status when was asked recently on El Jazeera. A must view at:

85 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:29:47pm

re: #75 nyc redneck

Thank you! I truly wish that I didn't have to write that post.

It seems that each candidate, for as long as I can remember, promises during the run up to the election, every 4 years, to declare Jerusalem what it is, but every 6 months, they willfully ignore the Bill passed in, IIRC, 1995, and delay yet again as soon as they are President.

I would hope that President McCain would do it, but am not holding my breath.

86 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:30:23pm
87 USBeast  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:30:33pm

"..it is possible for us to create a Jerusalem that is cohesive and coherent,”

Uh, Senator, will that be before or after you create a foreign policy that is "cohesive and coherent"?

88 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:32:41pm
89 USBeast  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:34:10pm

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

While Obama is creating a "cohesive and coherent" Jerusalem, I hope he is working on an American Indian policy which is Cochise-ive and coherent.

I doubt it. It will probably be Apache one.

90 Opilio  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:34:12pm

"Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."

How is that sentence and its two assertions subject to misinterpretation?

Jerusalem, proper noun, capital of Israel since 1950
will remain, intrans. verb, future tense, continue unchanged
the, def. article, denotes following noun as unique member of its class
capital, noun, city serving as a seat of government
of, prep., indicates belonging or a possessive relationship
Israel, proper noun, republic in SW Asia, established 1948
and, conj., joins sentence elements of same grammatical rank
it, pronoun, that one: used as subject of a verb
must, modal auxiliary verb, ought by all means to
remain, intrans. verb, continue unchanged
undivided, adj., not separated into parts or shares

Poor phrasing? It was concisely phrased so that its meaning was as clear as crystal. Not a weasel word anywhere. How can anyone continue to believe anything that slithers out of this man's mouth.

91 cybermonk  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:36:07pm

re: #34 Mars Needs Neocons

You forget, both Clinton and Bush said they would, but keep putting it off, I assume Barack and McCain would say the same.

92 Annar  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:36:39pm

Obviously Imam Obama meant that Jerusalem must be the undivided capital of the Islamic State of Palestine which is surely in agreement with the position of many of his supporters on the far left.

93 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:37:00pm
94 USBeast  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:40:18pm

re: #93 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention his Hamas phone bank in Gaza.

"Tenk you for colling the Obama hatline. My nem is "Bob". Ha kon I halp you?

95 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:43:56pm

re: #91 cybermonk

You forget, both Clinton and Bush said they would, but keep putting it off, I assume Barack and McCain would say the same.

I know which of the two I would put more trust in. Unfortunately the only trust I have for Obama is the trust he will do whatever is expedient for him.

96 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:46:53pm

I've just remade my "Remember 9-11-01" signage for my car. On my rear window, I think I'll put "I embarass Obama."

If yer reading this, BHO, bite my royal Lithuanian butt. Lithuania knows what it felt like under the bus. God help us all if he gets elected.

97 yesandno  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:47:10pm

This was not a flip-flop. It was a down and out lie.

Then and now.

I hope we hear from the McCanpaign reference to the constant argument that Obama makes to having good "judgment". Having good judgment is the farthest thing this man has. He has positions...and they can change, and do , when the winds change.

98 DHIMMIPOWER  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:48:22pm

I am guessing that Israel, will change the 'facts on the ground' whether the Obama administration cuts off military parts for aircraft, for example. My 2nd guess, Israel has converted its fission weapons into hydrogen and neutron bombs. Third guess, is they might get used in the coming war of extermination, started by Iran's Amadoodad.

America's primary concern in the coming next 4 years will not be from Iran, itself, but from a newly, re-conquered, Pakistan, now run by the Taleban subsidiary of Al Qeida. Why? Because France in the 90's sold Pakistan, 3 Agosta subs with the capability of launching 'cruise-type missiles.' The cruise missiles will not be h-bombs or neutron bombs, but Nagasaki type weapons. 12 kiloton yields.

The Agosta type subs are anechoic, and thus, hard to pick up on sonar. They are blue water subs, and designed and able to travel the Indian Ocean, the Atlantic, and across the Pacific. The thinking by Evolutionary Psychologist, Howard Bloom (who has originated this thesis) is that a Taleban Pakistan will launch some nukes on US cities, and then the Muslims will watch western type nations Capitulate.

99 grumpy old codger  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:52:26pm

re: #5 Lynn B.
Crowded? Hell, he's got g-mom, reverend wrong, a few others and now an entire city! He needs a bigger terminal

100 runrabbitrun  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:54:04pm

re: #97 yesandno

This was not a flip-flop. It was a down and out lie.

Funny how the left which has redefined 'telling the truth about their candidate' as 'swiftboating', hasn't realized that their candidate has redefined 'lying' as 'clarifying his position'.

101 tryptic67  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:57:28pm

I respectfully dissent. I do not believe Obama was pandering before AIPAC. Rather, I believe he had no clue what an "undivided Jerusalem" meant when he said it.

That is hugely distressing, because the phrase is loaded both culturally and historically ... and Obama. Didn't. Know. It.

Just further indication that Obama is an intellectual lightweight. After all, how many states are there in the U.S.? And what, again, are those first words of the Declaration of Independence? Is Obama stupid? I'm not quite ready to go there yet.

But under-educated? Yes. And dangerous as a result? Yes.

102 grumpy old codger  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:57:56pm

re: #30 Opinionated

After having seen my Jewish relatives cast their votes for any democratic idiot (Kerry, Kennedy, Dukakis, etc.), despite the history of the last forty years, I doubt that anything will change their mind set.

103 Blackacre  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 2:58:59pm

The substance of the AIPAC comments (not the Obamessiah's approach) was a clear anomoly. Saith the Obamessiah:

“Nobody is suffering more than the Palestinian people.”

“But what I think is that this constant wound, that this constant sore, does infect all of our foreign policy.”

“This whole notion that I am, you know, shifting to the center or that I am flip-flopping or this and that and the other. The people who say this apparently haven’t been listening to me.”

"Low class" and "detestable"? Yes, he is.

104 Sunlight  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:01:36pm

re: #102 grumpy old codger

After having seen my Jewish relatives cast their votes for any democratic idiot (Kerry, Kennedy, Dukakis, etc.), despite the history of the last forty years, I doubt that anything will change their mind set.

Exactly. One of my friends announced that she was voting for Bush in '04 and her extended family came unglued. Phone calls, e-mails and I'm thinking someone even came to town to talk her out of it. She held her ground then, but is planning to vote Obama now. Too much pressure to withstand.

105 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:02:35pm

re: #85 NY Nana

Thank you! I truly wish that I didn't have to write that post.

It seems that each candidate, for as long as I can remember, promises during the run up to the election, every 4 years, to declare Jerusalem what it is, but every 6 months, they willfully ignore the Bill passed in, IIRC, 1995, and delay yet again as soon as they are President.

I would hope that President McCain would do it, but am not holding my breath.

i hope so too. much better chance w/ mccain.
i shudder to think what could happen if b.o. is elected.

106 rusty_armor  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:08:07pm

"Oh! Flippity flop,
flippity flop
o flippity flopping you fool,
put 'em together and what have you got? . . . "

107 Miss Molly  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:18:47pm

Who knows what Obama really thinks about anything. He seems to me to have a secret agenda that he has no intention of sharing with voters in the US. because he knows he would never get elected to anything. Should he get elected I should imagine his "plans" will suprise and scare the hell out of most of us.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:28:43pm

Obama the Great Clarifier once again has an attack of Foot-In-Mouth Disease and has to re-interpret his words to a different group of listeners that were less than pleased with his last re-interpretation.

That there are still people who think believe he is going to be good for this country and the world as POTUS I find nothing less than mystifyingly amazing.

109 jemima  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:32:55pm

#96 PWD

Do you speak Lithuanian? I sure could use some help. Shoot me an email. Aciu.

110 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:33:31pm
111 Ledger1  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 3:35:18pm

Good grief, I can just hear Obama’s speech.

[Year 2009]

Obama takes the Presidential Podium:

I am proud to announce that Jerusalem has been reduced to a smoking crater with the help of Iran and George Soros.

I must also congratulate Hamas and Hezbollah for their contributions to this event and their monetary contributions to my presidential campaign. We have finally “Changed” the world for the better.

But, our work is not finished.

I will direct my head of the Treasury Department, George Soros, to work closely with our good friend President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and our allies Hezbollah and Hamas to weed-out any remain Jews in the world.

And, thank you AIPAC for the money and I have all your home addresses printed on your checks.

How is that for Change!

The crowd chants: Hail Barack Hussein Obama! Hail Barack Hussein Obama!

112 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:10:37pm
113 Pigtown Water Dog  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:30:11pm

re: #109 jemima

I just shot you an email. Thanks.

114 6pat6  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:36:26pm
Yet another major policy reversal for Barack Obama, and again he’s blaming it on “poor phrasing.”

Well, if the asshole can't speak right, he shouldn't be President at all!

Oh, wait, that's what they say about Bush, sorry...

115 6pat6  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 4:37:44pm

Considering that Congress enjoys a NINE percent approval rating (or: read 91% DISapproval rating!), they can only hope to aspire to President Bush's 21% approval rating!

116 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:01:50pm
117 StudSupreme  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:09:43pm

One comment only here:
I think most of you have it wrong.

Obama does NOT flip flop. Ever.
He simply tells the audience in front of him whatever they want to hear.
To flip flop implies having a position to change. Obama has no positions other than whatever gets him a vote.

However, when he gets into the White House (which is inevitable), the only agenda items/policies he will propose will be ultra-left wing. The moment he's challenged, he'll back off and do whatever makes his critics happy. However, he'll never start off with a Centrist position - the starting point will always be something very socialist.

Just IMHO.

118 tradewind  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:23:11pm

re: #108 FurryOldGuyJeans

Maybe I'm swimming up that river in Egypt, but I still cannot believe that the American electorate will put Barack Hussein Obama into the White House as their Commander in Chief.
Now I know where Hillary's coming from. Something more is bound to turn up, a' la reverend Wright, that will make him unelectable and Denver may yet be chaos.

119 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:34:33pm

re: #117 StudSupreme

One comment only here:
I think most of you have it wrong.

Obama does NOT flip flop. Ever.
He simply tells the audience in front of him whatever they want to hear.
To flip flop implies having a position to change. Obama has no positions other than whatever gets him a vote.

However, when he gets into the White House (which is inevitable), the only agenda items/policies he will propose will be ultra-left wing. The moment he's challenged, he'll back off and do whatever makes his critics happy. However, he'll never start off with a Centrist position - the starting point will always be something very socialist.

Just IMHO.

You're quiet but wise.

120 mjk  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 5:42:37pm

re: #104 Sunlight

Exactly. One of my friends announced that she was voting for Bush in '04 and her extended family came unglued. Phone calls, e-mails and I'm thinking someone even came to town to talk her out of it. She held her ground then, but is planning to vote Obama now. Too much pressure to withstand.

I would suggest that maybe since it's a private matter who one votes for, maybe your buddy shouldn't have told anyone who she voted for.

I never, ever tell anyone who I vote for. It's no one's concern. I once told a member of my family to stay out of it when they asked me who I voted for and to bugger off.

Why am I not surprised that Obama "refined" his position on Jerusalem? That's all he ever does.
But he's the Messiah so whatevs.

121 AverageCdn  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:23:11pm

I agree with FurryOldGuyJeans. I think the Democratic convention is going to be an absolute freakfest and scrare the crap out of the electorate and possibly 'unsuspend' Hillary's campaign.

Image a 1000 Zombies (ala Zombietime photographers, not walking corpses seeking braaaaaaaaaaaaiiins which will be sadly lacking at that convention), and all the pictures that hit the net after that.

I doubt people will be as keen on the democrats when they seem some freak with an inflated sack with "Obama 2008" tattooed on the side, or code pink in full froth.

122 pegcity  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 7:24:38pm

re: #121 AverageCdn

I agree with FurryOldGuyJeans. I think the Democratic convention is going to be an absolute freakfest and scrare the crap out of the electorate and possibly 'unsuspend' Hillary's campaign.

Image a 1000 Zombies (ala Zombietime photographers, not walking corpses seeking braaaaaaaaaaaaiiins which will be sadly lacking at that convention), and all the pictures that hit the net after that.

I doubt people will be as keen on the democrats when they seem some freak with an inflated sack with "Obama 2008" tattooed on the side, or code pink in full froth.

i can picture alot of "Destory the Zionist Entity" Signs

123 profitsbeard  Sun, Jul 13, 2008 9:00:45pm

Obama: willing to refine his positions, but not oil.

(He was obviously talking about the mythical New Jesursalem.)

124 Joan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:35:25am

re: #60 amphibian

What a coincidence: he creeps me out big time too!

It's a trend, I hope. His strained efforts to master folkspeak creeps me out. I can't listen to him. I can be disarmed when I see him onscreen, like a big, skinny, brown, smart Opie Taylor. And I think he's nice. Sound clips though, his voice gives him away.

125 Joan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:37:37am

Obama loves his countri.
Obama wants what's best for the countri.

/folkspeak mode

126 Joan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:50:30am

re: #101 tryptic67

I respectfully dissent. I do not believe Obama was pandering before AIPAC. Rather, I believe he had no clue what an "undivided Jerusalem" meant when he said it. That is hugely distressing, because the phrase is loaded both culturally and historically ... and Obama. Didn't. Know. It.

Words don't mean anything to him. They flow like water, pleasing to the ear, matched to his friendly seeming face, easy on they eyes. Obamaspeak is meaningless noise, white noise. Soothing to infants, unobtrusive to sleepers. Meaningless.

127 rorschach  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 1:28:28am

flip-flop doesn't begin to illustrate....

obama is a deceiver of the highest order.

128 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 4:30:21am
129 DJM  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:38:30am

Most troublesome about a potential Obama presidency is that this man is incapable of stringing two sentences together without later having to 'explain' what he really meant.

Is this the type of world leader we want speaking to our enemies? To our allies?

Perhaps every Obama meeting would be followed by a second meeting so he can correct "poor phrasing," misstatements or erroneous information from advisers.

130 Logic  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:53:47am

For a man (and his wife, too) who is Ivy-League educated as a lawyer, the profession of the silver-tongued, he sure makes a lot of "inartful" and "poorly phrased" comments!

131 Avery Bullard  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:54:39am

BHO is the greatest danger to the American Republic ever. Forget the American War for Independence, War of 1812, The War between the States and both World Wars. BHO will transform the United States into a World socialist model and the world will slip into a new Dark Age. Freedom of Speech?, Second Amendment rights?, the United States Constitution?, ..........all will be mere memories as the UN and the One World order look to subordinate Western civilization and the United States to the dictates of World socialism and fascist Islam.

132 scullymj  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 12:47:39pm

“You know, the truth is that this was an example where we had some poor phrasing in the speech.

Wait a minute, isn't this the candidate that's running on his superb judgement? Could not "poor phrasing" be symptomatic of poor judgement?

133 Jetziger  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 8:15:27am

Barack Al-Qaeda Hussein Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I don't understand how anyone cannot see through him - except those dumbasses braying on a diet of welfare and Oprah.


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