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First Impressions of iPhone 3G

Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 5:19:11 pm PDT

TidBITS has an interesting review of the iPhone 3G: First Impressions of the iPhone 3G and iPhone 2.0.

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1 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:20:05pm
2 LoFlyer  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:22:11pm

When they drop its price down to less than a hundred bucks and provide service for 20 bucks, I'll buy into it. I will say it is one of the slickest techno-gadget on the market. Apple should be commended on its design and software....

3 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:22:22pm

Can I call people on it though?

4 HelloDare  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:23:04pm

Has it evolved improved?

5 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:23:29pm

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

I want to see Rich Little's impressions of an iPhone.

/dating myself

Hey, hey, hey. Keep the thread clean. None of that self lo....Oooohhh. Nevermind.
/

6 LoFlyer  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:23:44pm

re: #3 DeathtotheSwiss

Can I call people on it though?

Yes and surf the net at the same time. Its an impressive device...

7 kywrite  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:24:26pm

I am so getting one -- but not for a while. The server issue they had with that first batch was more widespread than just the iPhone; my husband's phone was affected, though mine was not.

I'm going to wind up carrying half my life in my purse: ereader, Asus Eee, iPhone. Hm, how else can I geekify myself?

8 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:24:34pm

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

I want to see Rich Little's impressions of an iPhone.

/dating myself

And from the very first comment, you turn this into a masturbation thread.

/

9 theparson  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:25:11pm

I'm getting mine next week on my upgrade day which is also my 50th birthday.

10 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:25:22pm

re: #8 Slumbering Behemoth

And from the very first comment, you turn this into a masturbation thread.

/

See my #5.
I'd give you a high five, but.....you know.

11 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:26:21pm
12 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:26:27pm

re: #10 Hard Right

See my #5.
I'd give you a high five, but.....you know.

Both hands? I'm impressed!

13 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:27:27pm

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

14 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:28:05pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

You might already be.

15 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:28:30pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

I keep putting Killgore Trout into the reverse directory to find your home number...and I'm beginning to think that's not your real name.

16 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:28:42pm

re: #12 VegasRick

Both hands? I'm impressed!

Group sex.
/

17 LoFlyer  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:28:56pm

re: #9 theparson

I'm getting mine next week on my upgrade day which is also my 50th birthday.

Congrats on making it to 50, parson!

18 opnion  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:29:16pm

You know, i just got here , so maybe its been covered.
Have you seen the new cover of the New Yorker magazine?
Obama in the Oval office in Muslim garb. Michelle with a fro , looking like Angela Davis with a weapon. They are dapping while an American flag burns in the fire place under a portrait of Osama.

19 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:03pm

re: #15 DeathtotheSwiss

Heh.

20 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:04pm

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

I'm pleased to see how many minds here automatically gravitate to the gutter.

You assume migration, rather than habitation? Interesting...
/

21 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:17pm
22 LoFlyer  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:31pm

re: #18 opnion

You know, i just got here , so maybe its been covered.
Have you seen the new cover of the New Yorker magazine?
Obama in the Oval office in Muslim garb. Michelle with a fro , looking like Angela Davis with a weapon. They are dapping while an American flag burns in the fire place under a portrait of Osama.

Way covered, Charles did a thread on it....

23 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:35pm

Who will be the first to promise an iPhone in every pocket and purse,
The Obomination or
Juan McRINO?

24 HelloDare  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:48pm

re: #15 DeathtotheSwiss

I keep putting Killgore Trout into the reverse directory to find your home number...and I'm beginning to think that's not your real name.

Did you search under Trout Killgore?

25 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:30:55pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

I thought I was going to be that person.

But I've been brainwashed by the iPhone marketing. I plan to stumble like a zombie into an Apple store sometime this week, after the initial rush dies out.

26 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:31:13pm

re: #20 Slumbering Behemoth

You assume migration, rather than habitation? Interesting...
/

My brain has roots in the gutter.

27 Roentgen  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:31:16pm

This is not the iPhone I remember.

28 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:31:52pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

You, and my hubby, the Roi.

29 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:31:57pm

And yes, everyone gasp at once. I have never owned a cell phone.

30 doriangrey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:32:09pm

re: #25 Charles

I thought I was going to be that person.

But I've been brainwashed by the iPhone marketing. I plan to stumble like a zombie into an Apple store sometime this week, after the initial rush dies out.

ROTFLMAO............Allahpundit will hate you for that...............

31 Roentgen  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:32:21pm

re: #25 Charles

I thought I was going to be that person.

But I've been brainwashed by the iPhone marketing. I plan to stumble like a zombie into an Apple store sometime this week, after the initial rush dies out.

Don't do it!
/

32 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:32:46pm

re: #1 buzzsawmonkey

I want to see Rich Little's impressions of an iPhone.

/dating myself

So; who got to 3rd base first?

33 opnion  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:33:26pm

re: #21 buzzsawmonkey

Thread, earlier this morning.

Comments scattered throughout the rest of the threads.

Your kidding. I have been traveling & this is old news?
I have to quit traveling. Thats it, they should come to me.
The reason that I got such a kick out of it, my wife pointed out that it is a parody of me and guys like me. You know the paranoid right.

34 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:34:08pm

re: #32 jcw46

So; who got to 3rd base first?

Who is always on first.

35 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:34:15pm

re: #32 jcw46

So; who got to 3rd base first?

DON'T ANSWER THAT!

36 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:35:27pm

re: #26 Hard Right

We might be neighbors. I've got a spot right next to the storm drain, where all the best filth collects.
/

37 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:36:33pm

re: #24 HelloDare

Did you search under Trout Killgore?

Got it, thanks.

Hellloooooo new drunk-dialing friend!

38 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:36:39pm

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

We might be neighbors. I've got a spot right next to the storm drain, where all the best filth collects.
/


I'm smack in the middle of it. Kind of like a goalie.

39 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:36:44pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

I remember once I said I was going to be the last person on earth to go on the internet. Oh well.

40 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:37:27pm

re: #29 Charles

And yes, everyone gasp at once. I have never owned a cell phone.

If I buy you and Killgore cell-phones...we can all be on the same plan!

41 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:38:22pm

re: #40 DeathtotheSwiss

If I buy you and Killgore cell-phones...we can all be on the same planet!

42 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:40:04pm

re: #39 Sharmuta

I remember once I said I was going to be the last person on earth to go on the internet. Oh well.

I remember the other day I said I'd be the last person to fall
for this!

43 yochanan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:40:52pm

re: #25 Charles

i got rid of my cell phone 8 years ago. have no desire to get one now

44 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:41:03pm

re: #25 Charles

I thought I was going to be that person.

But I've been brainwashed by the iPhone marketing. I plan to stumble like a zombie into an Apple store sometime this week, after the initial rush lemmings dies out.

Fixed, Charles. No extra charge...

JAFLW

45 snowcrash  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:41:08pm

Stoopid cell phone story: My friend calls me from her daughters pre-school. The caller ID says "Christ Our Savior". I'm like, OMG its JESUS calling. Not now, NOT NOW! (It really was funny, you had to be there.)

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:41:29pm

Maybe having one would help me be more tolerant of cell phone users. I wear earplugs in airports because i can't stand all the yacking.

47 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:41:33pm

re: #42 DeathtotheSwiss

ARGGH! RICKROLLED! OOOOHHHHHH NNNOOOOOOOOOO...............

48 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:42:12pm

re: #36 Slumbering Behemoth

We might be neighbors. I've got a spot right next to the storm drain, where all the best filth collects.
/

"By the sewer he lived,
by the sewer he died.
They said it was murder,
but it was sewercide!"

JAFLW

49 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:43:21pm

Now I plan on being the last female to watch an episode of Sex and the City.

Also Desperate Housewives.

So far, so good.

50 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:43:54pm

Wow. I just turned on the Charlie Rose show, and there's someone named Nicholson Baker, following the same WWII revisionist line as Pat Buchanan. He's actually arguing that World War II was unnecessary, and that we could have negotiated with Hitler.

According to this guy, Germany's Jews were like 'hostages,' and we should have treated the whole thing like a hostage negotiation.

This terrible idea is gaining traction.

51 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:16pm

They mention the turn by turn because that's one of the things the competition has that they don't currently; there are a few other things as well.

52 Truck Monkey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:36pm

re: #34 VegasRick

Who is always on first.

I don't know is on third.

53 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:46pm

Winston Churchill was "a bloodthirsty man."

54 theparson  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:49pm

re: #17 LoFlyer

Thanks. I feel old.

55 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:51pm

re: #50 Charles

Man that really sucks, Buchanan blows for that book.

56 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:44:53pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

I've avoided Desperate Housewives with ease, unfortunately I have had to sit through an episode or two of Sex and the City.

My wife tells me the movie had low production value and she saw the boom mike in almost every scene. I had to laugh at that.

57 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:45:33pm

re: #50 Charles

Wow. I just turned on the Charlie Rose show, and there's someone named Nicholson Baker, following the same WWII revisionist line as Pat Buchanan. He's actually arguing that World War II was unnecessary, and that we could have negotiated with Hitler.

According to this guy, Germany's Jews were like 'hostages,' and we should have treated the whole thing like a hostage negotiation.

This terrible idea is gaining traction.

Stop the planet. I want off.

58 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:45:52pm

re: #50 Charles

Is this BS just getting a pass?

59 CapeCoddah  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:45:56pm

Good Evening all, Just got this to petition for drilling.
[Link: www.americansolutions.com...]

60 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:46:10pm

re: #50 Charles

I'm surprised Charlie would give somebody like that a forum. I've always thought of him as a classy guy.

61 doriangrey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:46:16pm

re: #57 Hard Right

Stop the planet. I want off.

Sorry, no deposit, no return...............

62 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:46:26pm

Churchill was "the absolute worst person anyone could have put up against Hitler, because he made everything worse."

63 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:46:53pm

re: #52 Truck Monkey

I don't know is on third.

I love that bit!

64 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:47:02pm

Civil war wasn't really neccessary either Charles. It should have been treated as a civil rights issue...the right to own slaves of course.

/hopefully unneccessary sarc

65 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:47:05pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

You are a woman of taste and discernment, of course you won't watch those shows.

66 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:47:15pm

re: #61 doriangrey

Sorry, no deposit, no return...............

I'll have to sneak a ride on the next shuttle.

67 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:47:34pm

"The state of war was a gift to the Hitler regime. It helped prop them up."

68 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:47:57pm
69 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:48:14pm

"The military option was tried, and it was a disaster."

70 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:48:24pm

re: #67 Charles

"The state of war was a gift to the Hitler regime. It helped prop them up."

OMG.

71 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:48:35pm

This is insane.

72 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:48:42pm

re: #69 Charles

"The military option was tried, and it was a disaster."

Surrender to the Nazis was the only logical choice then.

73 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:48:56pm

re: #67 Charles

"The state of war was a gift to the Hitler regime. It helped prop them up."

Yeah, that's why they are still around. Moron.

74 reno911  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:49:02pm

No offense Charles, but it's a toy.

GPS? I'm a merchant mariner...the only time I've ever needed GPS was when I was at sea.

Internet? It can wait until I get home.

Digital Camera? Got one.

Cool apps? Boring.

Brainwashed? Priceless.

75 opnion  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:49:04pm

Ok, so you all did the New Yorker Magazine thing without me?
Have I got that? My Zionost handler doesn't even give me a heads up?
So here I am missing the whole thing. Well ecuussssssse me!

76 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:49:18pm

"You cannot deal with barbarism by reciprocating with barbarism."

77 Spirit93  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:49:26pm

re: #51 Thanos

They mention the turn by turn because that's one of the things the competition has that they don't currently; there are a few other things as well.

That's a deal breaker for me. Is there a cell phone that has turn by turn that you would recommend?

78 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:49:27pm
79 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:49:28pm

If you want a mobile device that's REALLY useful, get a BlackBerry. iTunes?! You've gotta be kidding me.

I've already seen articles about pitiful battery life, crappy keyboard, and missing features too. Lotta hype for a what's basically a mobile browser with a phone that no business will touch due to lack of security, control, and performance.

80 theparson  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:50:02pm

re: #69 Charles

This kind of clap just makes me crazy! You can't reason against these idiots and moonbats just gravitate to them like moths to a flame.

81 zombie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:50:26pm

From the article:

Even so, the company reported today that 1 million iPhone 3Gs were sold worldwide between Friday and Sunday, and more than 10 million applications were downloaded from the App Store during the same period.

That's beyond insane. A million units in three days? At $200 a pop, that's $200 million in 72 hours, or around $3 million per hour.

Whatever your opinions may be about Steve Jobs and Apple, the man knows how to make money.

82 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:50:31pm

Most of the time I think the telephone is a nefarious invention, and much over-used.

e-mail is better, it is easier to ignore it.

83 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:50:47pm

"It's morally questionable to resist a Hitler."

84 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:15pm

re: #76 Charles

Thus precision guided weapons.

85 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:27pm

OK. I have to just close this EyeTV window before I throw something through my monitor.

86 zombie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:33pm

re: #13 Killgore Trout

I plan to be the last person on earth to buy a cell phone.

Second-to-last. I'm going to be the last.

87 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:37pm

This deconstructionist crap is making so many people idiotic. All opinions and viewpoints are not equal quality. Some are just crap (you still have the right to them, doesn't mean they aren't crap.)
This is part of the media melt down, they are so hungry for content that anyone can get on. I'm reminded of the public station that the cable channels used to have to run. The individual shows always started out with grandiose visions but eventually devolved to the equivalent of "nude basketweaving" because nobody was watching. Any hook to get an audience.

88 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:38pm

re: #29 Charles

And yes, everyone gasp at once. I have never owned a cell phone.

With 2 daughters, ages 16 & 19, I've bought about ten so far.

89 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:38pm

re: #83 Charles

"It's morally questionable to resist a Hitler."

WTF?! Is this all just getting a pass?

90 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:52pm

,

re: #83 Charles

"It's morally questionable to resist a Hitler."

I'm about to dry-heave here. Have mercy.

91 jaunte  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:51:59pm

Nicholson Baker wrote "Human Smoke":
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
He appears to be exactly the kind of pacifist that Orwell said objectively assisted tyranny.

"Here's what I am, more or less: I'm a non-religious pacifist who is sympathetic to Quaker notions of nonviolent resistance and of refuge and aid for those who need help. I find appealing what Christopher Isherwood called "the plain moral stand against killing." I don't expect people to look at things this way, necessarily--after all, it took me a while to get there myself. But I do hope that my book will offer some thought-provocations that anyone, of any ideological persuasion, will want to mull over."
92 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:52:02pm
93 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:52:12pm

re: #62 Charles

You are channeling Buchanan, aren't you?

94 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:52:46pm

re: #83 Charles

Charles, so how would the author have dealt with Hitler back then? Has he explained that to Charlie Rose yet?

95 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:52:48pm

re: #29 Charles
Wow. I had a cellphone back before they were cool. I'd stake my 3 watt bag phone against any other phone, any day! it actually had buttons big enuf for my fat fingers.

96 ted  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:52:59pm

re: #53 Charles

Winston Churchill was "a bloodthirsty man."

Thank G-d for that, or I most probably wouldn't be here today.

97 NGrove  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:13pm

re: #62 Charles

Churchill was "the absolute worst person anyone could have put up against Hitler, because he made everything worse."

re: #76 Charles

"You cannot deal with barbarism by reciprocating with barbarism."

Really? I guess I missed the part where Hitler lived happily ever after. You are right, that is truly insane.

98 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:17pm

I can't watch it any more. I had to turn it off.

99 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:18pm

re: #85 Charles

OK. I have to just close this EyeTV window before I throw something through my monitor.

You'd REALLY be pissed if you tried to throw your monitor through your monitor...

JAFLW

/recursion, baby!

100 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:25pm

re: #77 Spirit93

That's a deal breaker for me. Is there a cell phone that has turn by turn that you would recommend?

[Link: www.instinctthephone.com...]

and about five times the network... (hi speed coverage)

101 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:37pm

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

The easy way to avoid Holocaust denial is to delegitimize our participation in WWII itself.

That is what is going on here.

And at the same time bash America and those that fought Hitler as being the evil ones.

102 zombie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:37pm

re: #29 Charles

And yes, everyone gasp at once. I have never owned a cell phone.

If I do ever buy an iPhone, I will use it as a mini-computer, not as a phone. I'll just disable the phone-dialing function.

103 unclassifiable  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:51pm

re: #50 Charles

Sure the whole thing was unnecessary.

If Hitler would have just lived up to his end of the bargain with Chamberlain we would have had peace for a thousand years...

If Einstein would have been born during the 19th century we would have flying cars...

If I was magic I could make diamond out of coal with my bear hands...

If revisionist ran the world it would grind to a halt just wondering what could have been instead of dealing with stinky old reality.

Trash heap guys. Find it. Get in it. And go away.

104 mossley  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:53:56pm

At times, I feel like I'm the only person in the world without a cell phone, and who has no interest in one. And I'm usually a techy kind of geek. But Killgore Trout has given me competition; we can be telecommunications holdouts until the bitter end.

105 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:10pm

re: #71 Charles

When I see these 180 degree twists I think the 'father of lies' is there somewhere.

106 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:16pm

re: #25 Charles

I bought a first generation one like a zombie -- you won't be disappointed.

107 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:17pm

re: #102 zombie

If I do ever buy an iPhone, I will use it as a mini-computer, not as a phone. I'll just disable the phone-dialing function.

That's what I want it for.

108 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:19pm

re: #50 Charles

I wish people would stop drinking liquid stupid. They negotiated with the fascist monsters during the thirties and ended up with the bloodiest war in human history. The only thing that prevented a thousand years of darkness were young men with rifles, tanks, airplanes, ships, etc. and some brass ones to push towards Berlin, Rome, and Tokyo.

109 ted  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:20pm

re: #25 Charles

I thought I was going to be that person.

But I've been brainwashed by the iPhone marketing. I plan to stumble like a zombie into an Apple store sometime this week, after the initial rush dies out.

The Audacity of Change !

110 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:20pm

re: #76 Charles

"You cannot deal with barbarism by reciprocating with barbarism."

“Anyone who clings to the historically untrue -- and -- thoroughly immoral doctrine that violence never solves anything I would advise to conjure up the ghosts of Napoleon Bonaparte and the Duke of Wellington and let them debate it. The ghost of Hitler would referee. Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor; and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms.”
-Robert Heinlein Starship Troopers

111 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:21pm

re: #22 LoFlyer

Way covered, Charles did a thread on it....

Has he done a thread on the whining Obama is now doing about it?

112 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:54:22pm
"It's morally questionable to resist a Hitler."

WHAT!?! The Second World War ended not that long ago, how is it possible that morons can spit this tripe without challenge?

113 reno911  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:55:32pm

re: #76 Charles

Beg to differ...but...Uh...yes you can. And you better be more barbaric than your enemy if you expect to win. Battle of Okinawa ring a bell? Iwo Jima? Guam? Guadalcanal?

The reason that these are all WWII examples is because that's the last time we fought a war in the correct manner. Violently.

114 ted  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:55:45pm

re: #98 Charles

I can't watch it any more. I had to turn it off.

I could never stomach Charlie Rose.

115 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:55:49pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

Now I plan on being the last female to watch an episode of Sex and the City.

Also Desperate Housewives.

So far, so good.

You've got competition for that title -- :)

116 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:55:51pm

By the way, get ready for tonight's evolution thread. The Discovery Institute has been busted in another incredibly stupid falsehood.

117 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:55:52pm

re: #88 abolitionist

With 2 daughters, ages 16 & 19, I've bought about ten so far.

I only have one 6 year old girl and am at 10. They seem to be attracted to swimming pools.

118 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:11pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

LGF has the job of challenging them.

119 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:25pm
120 unclassifiable  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:26pm

re: #103 unclassifiable

PIMF 18th

121 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:31pm

re: #116 Charles

By the way, get ready for tonight's evolution thread. The Discovery Institute has been busted in another incredibly stupid falsehood.

INCOMING!
:)

122 Spirit93  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:52pm

re: #100 Thanos

Thanks Thanos, will look into it.

123 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:54pm

re: #105 Ojoe

When I see these 180 degree twists I think the 'father of lies' is there somewhere.

...aaaaaand what about "the last days", where good is evil and evil is good. Yer seein' it in action, sport!

JAFLW

124 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:56:57pm

re: #102 zombie

If I do ever buy an iPhone, I will use it as a mini-computer, not as a phone. I'll just disable the phone-dialing function.

That's what I use my PPC for mostly, the calls on it are mostly work to me inbound, my electronic leash.

125 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:57:02pm

re: #85 Charles


Unbelievable.

What is worse though is that a media outlet gives one second of time to this rubbish. Obviously to sell books or ad time. Is their not enough blood and strife in the world to satisfy their purile lust, without having some witless, gutless, punk like Buchanan on the air?

126 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:57:24pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

WHAT!?! The Second World War ended not that long ago, how is it possible that morons can spit this tripe without challenge?

Any degree from just about university in this country since the 60's has included that kind of revisionist history as SOP. The Soviets were right about destroying a country - start with their children.

127 jaunte  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:57:47pm

I went without a cell phone for years. The year I finally got one, I was able to call for an ambulance when a vein suddenly ruptured for yet-unknown reasons on the commute home. So I can say that cellphones make it possible to not bleed to death on I-10.

128 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:57:56pm

re: #123 Just Another Four-letter Word

...aaaaaand what about "the last days", where good is evil and evil is good. Yer seein' it in action, sport!

JAFLW

It can't be EOD! I still have too much to do.

129 theparson  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:57:57pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

9/11 is even closer and you have the Ward Churchills doing the same thing. There is no understanding this level of moonbattery.

130 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:58:08pm

re: #103 unclassifiable


If I was magic I could make diamond out of coal with my bear hands...

I want bear hands...

131 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:58:57pm

re: #102 zombie

If I do ever buy an iPhone, I will use it as a mini-computer, not as a phone. I'll just disable the phone-dialing function.

This is why I carry a PDA. I want a phone to be a frikkin' PHONE and nothing else...

JAFLW

/still living in the 90's... errr, 80's... err, 70's, errrrrrr, 60's... screw it. Living in the Past.

132 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 5:59:10pm

re: #110 DeathtotheSwiss


Mobile Infantry!

133 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:06pm

re: #132 sojerofgod

I don't think the wussy pacifest groks it.

134 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:14pm

re: #122 Spirit93

Thanks Thanos, will look into it.

They also have wimax in some areas, bound to get bigger with the clearwire merger thing. Their last wimax demo they overran hardware processing on a top end macintosh by streaming seven HD movies at once to it while it was traveling on the El in Chicago.

135 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:25pm

re: #112 Slumbering Behemoth

WHAT!?! The Second World War ended not that long ago, how is it possible that morons can spit this tripe without challenge?

With our current (supposedly) Educational System? Easily.

JAFLW

136 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:36pm

re: #67 Charles

"The state of war was a gift to the Hitler regime. It helped prop them up."


I just hate it when I read these threads from the bottom up. I thought Charles had lost it.

137 jaunte  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:43pm

Amazon review of Baker's book from 'Herman Melville':

"I just saw an interview with Mr. Baker on BookTV. He is as naive in his world-view on TV as he is in this "history" of WWII. I beg anyone who is interested in reading this book to provide themselves with some context before reading this tome. Mr. Baker has culled all sorts of quotes in order to advance the ridiculous thesis that WWII was unnecessary, that Churchill and FDR were war-mongering criminals, etc. Just to take one case in particular, Baker notes that Churchill did not warn the people of Coventry of an impending Nazi bombing raid. Churchill knew of the raid, of course, because the Allies had broken the German military code. But had the Germans KNOWN the Allies had broken the code, that huge advantage would have been lost. Churchill's failure to act, according to Baker, is evidence of his Hitlerian tendencies. No, no, no: Churchill, the leader of his nation, had to act for the greater good. Does any sane person believe such a decision did not rip at Churchill's soul? But through such decisions was the war won and the carnage carried on by the Nazis and Japanese finally ended. Mr. Baker seems blithely unaware that the Nazis and the Japanese were killing Poles and Chinese and Jews and whoever else they wanted to long before Britain and France entered the war.

This book is simply shocking in its arrogance, its foolishness, its insipidity. It's as if Hitler and Tojo had survived until today and had been given their chance to write a defense of their actions "in their own words." This book is an insult to any thinking, reasonable person."

138 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:44pm
139 theparson  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:00:56pm

Oh, cool, History Detectives is on! Love that show.

140 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:01:20pm

re: #130 DeathtotheSwiss

Ya me too, especially when i go into the DMV to get my daughter's learners permit... It took 6 trips to get it done, and only my naturally mild character prevented me from murdering half a dozen government functionaries.

141 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:01:27pm

re: #110 DeathtotheSwiss

The book was by far superior to the movie. And the director of Starship Troopers the movie never read the book.

142 razorbacker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:01:29pm

I phone, whatever. What about this phone?

An initial search of his cell found one cellphone; however, as the police were about to leave, another device rang.

This led to a further search and after combing the cell thoroughly again, it was discovered that the device was inside the accused man's body. Gloves were said to have been requested, and the phone retrieved from the man's body.

In a release last night, the Constabulary Communication Network said the phone was was found in Miller's rectum.

I've heard of restrictive calling plans, but geesh, that's restrictive.

143 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:01:32pm

re: #133 DeathtotheSwiss

I don't think the wussy pacifest groks it.

Bet he calls the police when someone breaks into his home. Hypcrite.

144 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:01:46pm

A comment about the claim that if you aren't anti-science, you're a Christian-hater:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

145 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:01:47pm

re: #126 wvobiwan

Any degree from just about university in this country since the 60's has included that kind of revisionist history as SOP. The Soviets were right about destroying a country - start with their children.

The Discovery Institute must have been taking notes.

146 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:02:03pm

re: #131 Just Another Four-letter Word

Not to be too big a poster child for BlackBerry, but getting one allows me to work from home most of the time, or where ever I'm at. That kind of freedom is worth it. It's made both my work and personal life much more manageable.

147 unclassifiable  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:02:14pm

re: #130 DeathtotheSwiss

Damnit!

Well I guess bear hands would be a good start.

And I guess I'm magic so its possible.

And the 12th monkey just flew out my butt.

And the nurse is here to adjust my medication.

And I am waiting for the PIMF fairy to make my fingers type the right words.

Until then what am I going to do with these big hairy hands and these huge-ass claws.

Time to go revisionist hunting.

148 doriangrey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:02:32pm

ROTFLMAO... boy this thread sure went to hell in a hand basket bonkers fast

149 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:02:42pm

re: #128 Hard Right

It can't be EOD! I still have too much to do.

Mebbe so, but get your affairs in order, just in case.

JAFLW

150 kansas  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:02:47pm

re: #142 razorbacker

I phone, whatever. What about this phone?


I've heard of restrictive calling plans, but geesh, that's restrictive.

Wonder if the missing phone was on vibrate?

151 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:02:55pm

re: #133 DeathtotheSwiss

For him, you say it does not grok.

Didn't they kill the guy who acted inappropriately at cusp?

We could learn a thing or two from the martians....

Multiculti taken to the inevitable extreme.

152 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:03:43pm

re: #115 baxtrice

You've got competition for that title -- :)


yep. I've never seen an episode of either of those.

153 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:03:57pm

re: #116 Charles

By the way, get ready for tonight's evolution thread. The Discovery Institute has been busted in another incredibly stupid falsehood.

Can't wait!

154 mossley  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:04:07pm

re: #49 Sharmuta

We need to set up a table in the corner. Never seen them, no desire to do so, don't care to hear how "realistic" they are, couldn't even tell you who is in them.

155 theparson  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:04:16pm

re: #146 wvobiwan

I have a department issued Blackberry and it's fine but, It's not as fun as the iPhone.

156 Charles  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:04:34pm

Now Mike Huckabee is on Hannity and Colmes.

And he's going to have his own show soon.

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

157 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:04:51pm

re: #149 Just Another Four-letter Word

Mebbe so, but get your affairs in order, just in case.

JAFLW

Do I have to pack anything?

158 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:05:02pm

re: #132 sojerofgod

Mobile Infantry!

I would dearly love to wear the MI's suit. Heck, I'd love to design it.

Hey, they're workin' on it - seen the latest attempts in exoskeletal amplification?

JAFLW

/Bugs! BUGS! !

159 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:05:45pm

re: #156 Charles

What a revoltin' development.

Huckabee should be barred from the city limits of DC

160 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:18pm

re: #155 theparson

I have a department issued Blackberry and it's fine but, It's not as fun as the iPhone.

Well I don't use a mobile device for fun much, but different strokes I guess. The browser interface is pretty cool.

161 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:21pm

re: #158 Just Another Four-letter Word

Bacon-Fry at Square Black One!

162 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:33pm

My opinion? This is being pushed to show Obambi's willingness to talk with tyrants is an adult, rational and reasonable approach to those who have shown themselves to be our enemies and desire to destroy us.

They're effectively saying; "See if we just had had some empathy for Hitler and his "Liebensraum" rhetoric and ignored his self-exposed megalomaniacal desires shown in Mein Kampf. Why, everything would've been hunky-dory". Of course they can show no proof of this nor does anyone with an ounce of ability to think rationally really believe it would've been true.

This is 'whistling past the graveyard' on the feckless left's part and the part that drives me crazy is if they succeed in fooling enough people that it's the correct way to approach anyone who has declared "Submit to our god or Die!" those of us who know better will still be incinerated along with the cowards and fools who convinced the weak-minded and fearful to elect an amateur peace-maker, puppet-on-a-string posing as a great statesman.

163 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:38pm
This news will spur talk that former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee figures he's not going to be John McCain's running mate and might as well get on with finding other things to do...

Duh!

164 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:39pm

One note to all parents: Make sure gps locate on your kids phones is always on, never disabled. Finding missing kids by triangulating towers just doesn't work fast enough.

165 USBeast  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:39pm

re: #157 Hard Right

Do I have to pack anything?

I'd recommend heat.

166 opnion  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:43pm

re: #155 theparson

I have a department issued Blackberry and it's fine but, It's not as fun as the iPhone.


I have a blackberry & I like it. I do have to say though that this I phone, cell phone thread is really interesting. Snore

167 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:06:54pm

re: #141 Idle Drifter

The book was by far superior to the movie. And the director of Starship Troopers the movie never read the book.

...and it showed...

JAFLW

168 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:07:19pm

re: #154 mossley

We need to set up a table in the corner. Never seen them, no desire to do so, don't care to hear how "realistic" they are, couldn't even tell you who is in them.

"Realistic?" Ha! Slut-tastic is more of what I would describe it as, my female friends get together and talk about it and I end up leaving the room and going for a very loooong smoke break. LOL

169 opnion  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:07:40pm

re: #156 Charles

Now Mike Huckabee is on Hannity and Colmes.

And he's going to have his own show soon.

[Link: blogs.usatoday.com...]

Say, it ain't so.

170 USBeast  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:08:23pm

re: #167 Just Another Four-letter Word

...and it showed...

JAFLW

Agreed.

171 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:08:54pm

re: #158 Just Another Four-letter Word

Hand flamers, nukes, snoopers, jet packs capable of leaping for miles at a time. It just screams "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!"

172 Hard Right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:09:16pm

re: #165 USBeast

I'd recommend heat.

Continuing to stock ammo as we speak. :P
Just got a CZ52 pistol. Body armor, shmody armor.

173 whiterasta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:09:21pm

re: #146 wvobiwan

With all due respect, it's not freedom if anyone can bother you by email,text or phone call 24/7.

I have a sign on my boat that states: "Laptops, cellphones and pagers strictly prohibited on this ship."

You have to have some down time......

174 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:09:35pm

re: #164 Thanos

One note to all parents: Make sure gps locate on your kids phones is always on, never disabled. Finding missing kids by triangulating towers just doesn't work fast enough.

There's even some apps out there now that can send you an email, text message, or even call you when your child crosses a lat/long boundary. If their GPS is on of course. Most smartphones don't support disabling the GPS on/off switch yet.

175 ec marm  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:09:44pm

re: #102 zombie

If I do ever buy an iPhone, I will use it as a mini-computer, not as a phone. I'll just disable the phone-dialing function.


Then you drive down the street, using the map feature to find something, realize you're hungry and if you call now they can have it waiting for you, so you Google the take out places web site, and sitting right there in the middle of the screen is the phone number, all highlighted. All you have to do is press one key and the number is dialed and you're connected. Twenty minutes later you pull in, pick up your meal, and life goes on.

176 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:10:01pm

re: #14 VegasRick

You might already be.

Since my dad bought one, you're definitely it.

177 JeremyR  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:10:11pm

re: #76 Charles

"You cannot deal with barbarism by reciprocating with barbarism."

Oh the foolishness of that statement. I know one guy who loves to find a peacenick, pin them down on their pacivism, then knock them literally to the ground, when they come up swinging, he stops them and reminds them that they endorce a peaceful approach, and once they are calm, flattens them again, and repeats the process a few times. Once they get mad enough to actually swing, he runs off calling them names over his shoulder. Whats crazier is he is 66.

178 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:10:12pm

re: #115 baxtrice

re: #153 reine.de.tout

re: #154 mossley

I still think I'm going to win- I haven't even turned my TV on in three weeks.

179 razorbacker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:10:17pm

Not being a total luddite, three years ago I went to WallyWorld and plunked down $9.99 to get a TracPhone.

Each year, I spend $99 to buy 400 minutes, and they roll over.

I currently have 953 minutes left on the phone out of 1200 minutes bought over the last 3 years.

Not a big phone guy.

180 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:10:26pm

re: #162 jcw46

Ooops. If not clear, was commenting on the "appeasement would have kept us safe from WWII" being promoted in the media.

181 opnion  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:10:50pm

re: #173 whiterasta

With all due respect, it's not freedom if anyone can bother you by email,text or phone call 24/7.

I have a sign on my boat that states: "Laptops, cellphones and pagers strictly prohibited on this ship."

You have to have some down time......


Do you ever just turn off your cell, for some peace?

182 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:11:11pm

re: #161 sojerofgod

Bacon-Fry at Square Black One!

"C'mon, you apes! You wanna live forever?"

I can't help it, this book had a tremendous impact on me (actually all four of the Grand Masters of SF had an impact on me) in my formative years.

Read any John Ringo about the Posleen invasion? THAT's what we need to do...

JAFLW

183 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:12:30pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

re: #153 reine.de.tout

re: #154 mossley

I still think I'm going to win- I haven't even turned my TV on in three weeks.

well, yes, you would win on that one.

But I'm not at all surprised that one finds here a number of people who are just not all that interested in TV.

184 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:12:47pm

re: #173 whiterasta

With all due respect, it's not freedom if anyone can bother you by email,text or phone call 24/7.

I have a sign on my boat that states: "Laptops, cellphones and pagers strictly prohibited on this ship."

You have to have some down time......

It IS freedom. I respond when I want, and turn it off whenever I please. Having a cell phone/mobile data doesn't mean you can be reached at any time unless you permit it.

185 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:12:53pm

re: #175 ec marm

You forgot one thing...

You'll be riding a bike because Harry Reid has decided No more oil for you! The Damnocrats have dug in their heels, and America can just go F themselves.

186 ted  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:12:58pm

As did the upheaval in Astronomy did from Galileo onward, so will Creationism be relegated to the dustbin of history. Science never goes backwards.

187 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:13:38pm

re: #167 Just Another Four-letter Word


In the book had highly trained, mobile, armored infantry (hence Mobile Infantry) packing more firepower than a division of the cannon fodder found in the movie running around with only a rifle and a T-shirt.

188 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:13:50pm
189 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:13:54pm

re: #181 opnion

Do you ever just turn off your cell, for some peace?

I just don't answer. The only calls I will always answer are the ones from the 16-year-old daughter.

190 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:13:56pm

I'm one of the few folks here that kinda likes Huckabee. Granted, I'm glad he isn't the dem candidate, and that he isn't at the top of the VP list (I still like Micheal Steele for veep) but I could see Huckabee in a cabinet position or a undersecretary in some dept like Education or Interior

191 baxtrice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:13:58pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

re: #153 reine.de.tout

re: #154 mossley

I still think I'm going to win- I haven't even turned my TV on in three weeks.

Hmm, I haven't been 3 weeks out -- gotta have my CSI: Miami and NCIS plus Adult Swim, but I've been close. I don't watch much "popular" TV anymore.

192 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:14:01pm

I livd on a cell phone for 5 years.
Stupid, petty, insignificant calls all day long. Where's this, what's that, can I askya a quick question, blah,blah,blah.
It's how I learned the phrase "There aren't any stupid questions,just stupid people that ask questions" ( You get a little irritated afer a bit).
The day I quit that job, I called my wife, told her what I did, NOT to worry, I was going to the golf course and would be back sometime within the next 8 hrs.
I threw it out the window and haven't had one since.
Great Day that was.

193 whiterasta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:14:10pm

re: #181 opnion

I turn off my cell phone at 5:00 PM every day....Turn it back on at 8:00 AM.

194 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:14:16pm

re: #171 Idle Drifter

Hand flamers, nukes, snoopers, jet packs capable of leaping for miles at a time. It just screams "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!" "GET SOME!"

The one I really, really loved:
"I'm a thirty-second bomb! I'm a thirty-second bomb! Twenty-nine. Twenty-eight..."

Heh. That'd make you wet your pants...

AND, we now have the technology to DO it...

JAFLW

195 whiterasta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:16:46pm

re: #184 wvobiwan

The fact you do not turn it off makes you a slave to it.

196 eastvillageinfidel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:17:20pm

re: #177 JeremyR

That sounds like so much fun!

197 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:18:19pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

re: #153 reine.de.tout

re: #154 mossley

I still think I'm going to win- I haven't even turned my TV on in three weeks.

The last time I had my TV on was to watch the breaking news about the I 35w bridge collapse.
Its been off for the last fifty weeks, soon to be a year.
I watch DVDs on the computer, it has a better screen and sound system for movies.
// {;-)™

198 stevieray  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:20:52pm

Nicholson Baker

"Human Smoke: The Beginnings of World War II, the End of Civilization"

A review from the NYT

199 ec marm  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:21:00pm

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey


Pat Buchanan, ostensibly right-wing, is giving the Left a gift on a silver platter, and the Left media are all too happy to take it: he is delegitimizing the One Good War, and thereby undermining the very concept of the validity of national defense.

You want to know why Buchanan is getting so much air time? You just found out. He is the lever that is being used to overturn the concept of The Good War. Despite his alliances with neo-fascist Europeans, he is the stalking horse against defending the US from the Islamofascists. The fact that he shares with the Islamofascists a desire to see Israel destroyed, and a hatred of Jews generally (sentiments increasingly heard from the Left as well) is icing on the cake.


No one is calling Buchanan on his historical facts, either, which really pisses me off. Pat wants people to believe that the death camps mysteriously popped up after the United States entered the war. They were open at least two years before the start of the war. November, 1938.

200 wvobiwan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:23:46pm

re: #195 whiterasta

The fact you do not turn it off makes you a slave to it.

What fact are you talking about?

A slave is someone who drives 50 miles each way in traffic to a windowless cube.

201 DeathtotheSwiss  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:25:58pm

re: #141 Idle Drifter

The book was by far superior to the movie. And the director of Starship Troopers the movie never read the book.

But it was mindless fun though I recall being dissappointed seeing it in the 6th grade. That's right, a movie containing a intergender shower scene and a sixth grader who was pissed off that the movie had only 10% to do with the actual story.

202 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:26:01pm

re: #194 Just Another Four-letter Word

The one I really, really loved:
"I'm a thirty-second bomb! I'm a thirty-second bomb! Twenty-nine. Twenty-eight..."

Heh. That'd make you wet your pants...

AND, we now have the technology to DO it...

JAFLW

Hypno-sleep

"5, 4, 3, 2, 1, SLEEP!"

203 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:26:33pm
204 whiterasta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:30:45pm

re: #200 wvobiwan

Crap!

You are correct. I just have a problem with being available 24/7 for everyone.....

I refuse to be available for everyone. That would make me a slave.

(So I'm an arrogant bastard.....)

205 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:30:47pm

re: #201 DeathtotheSwiss

The were no females allowed into the MI in the book, most of them if not all were pilots/Captains of Starships, fighters, and dropships.

206 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:34:37pm

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey I had a nightmare about the death camps the other day. Not Hitler's, but the coming ones of the enviros. If they had their way, about 4 billion human beings would be slaughtered in the name of "Saving the Planet" They would unload us off the cattle cars, then march us single file through an ever narrowing passage(just like cattle) then at the last moment a set of rubber jaws would grab you by the head and feed your head into the conveyor system. A steel rod would be fired into the base of your skull from a pneumatic gun (just like the way they kill pigs) killing you instantly, and you would be sent down the line like the slaughterhouse. any useable organs would be harvested for the wealthy, and the scraps ground up. Then they would carry the remains out into the forest and spread it under the trees.
Think it can't happen?

207 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:36:25pm
208 ec marm  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:36:40pm

re: #203 buzzsawmonkey
A distinction that I was unaware of. Is Buchanan attempting to exploit the same "death camp" vs. "concentration camp" wording to further his argument? There is no doubt in my mind that the Holocaust began on that night in 1938.
Perhaps Pat doesn't feel that having family members taken from homes in the middle of the night, synagogues burned, businesses destroyed or stolen from the owners,...
You know I can't continue this. I just hate wasting my time on people like Pat B. who try to re-write history for their own ends.

209 fat.elvis  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:37:41pm

I love mine Charles... got one at an AT&T store Saturday and didn't wait long at all. This is probably my 15th Apple product in 25 of out of my 32 years. I was one of my last friends to get a cell phone, but I will NEVER buy a Windows-based PC. :)

210 sojerofgod  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:40:18pm

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, and like every set of fools that has come before them, they think that when the purge comes they will be spared because of their purity and fanaticism.


They will be the first to go into the shredders. Power has no use for fanatics once the revolution is won.

211 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:41:26pm
212 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:59:39pm

Geek, Geeky, geekier, geekiest.

213 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:59:44pm

re: #25 Charles

I thought I was going to be that person.

But I've been brainwashed by the iPhone marketing. I plan to stumble like a zombie into an Apple store sometime this week, after the initial rush dies out.

Charles -

Go for it - and if you wind up NOT going with iPhone 3G - remember the Moto-Q - Constitutional Monarch of Cell Phones (Available from more carriers than iPhone) - it DOES NOT RULE - AND - it Does reign.

-S-

214 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:54pm

re: #177 JeremyR

Oh the foolishness of that statement. I know one guy who loves to find a peacenick, pin them down on their pacivism, then knock them literally to the ground, when they come up swinging, he stops them and reminds them that they endorce a peaceful approach, and once they are calm, flattens them again, and repeats the process a few times. Once they get mad enough to actually swing, he runs off calling them names over his shoulder. Whats crazier is he is 66.

Isn't he worried about getting sued for assault? lol

215 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:21:31pm

Sounds like you've thrown in the towel and decided that Buchanan's going to succeed. Guess he will, if sane people don't raise their voices in disgust and condemnation, and damn the consequences.

re: #188 buzzsawmonkey

World War II was the one barrier to the Left's pacifist, anti-defense message; it was the "good war," not only because it saved the Worker's Paradise but because Hitler was evil.

As long as WWII remained reasonably unsullied, the Leftist notion that self-defense is bad could never have a clear field of play--and the war against Islamofascism could be justified by comparing it to the last war against fascism.

Pat Buchanan, ostensibly right-wing, is giving the Left a gift on a silver platter, and the Left media are all too happy to take it: he is delegitimizing the One Good War, and thereby undermining the very concept of the validity of national defense.

You want to know why Buchanan is getting so much air time? You just found out. He is the lever that is being used to overturn the concept of The Good War. Despite his alliances with neo-fascist Europeans, he is the stalking horse against defending the US from the Islamofascists. The fact that he shares with the Islamofascists a desire to see Israel destroyed, and a hatred of Jews generally (sentiments increasingly heard from the Left as well) is icing on the cake.

216 Idle Drifter  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:42:31pm

re: #206 sojerofgod

They, the enviromental fascists, can keep on dreaming that sick dream. There are too many of us that go to the range.

217 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:44:22pm

re: #205 Idle Drifter

The were no females allowed into the MI in the book, most of them if not all were pilots/Captains of Starships, fighters, and dropships.

Yes, Heinlein (correctly, I think) pointed out that men are stronger physically, and women have better and faster reflexes. The MI (AFAIK) was for the warfighters only, the sharp end of the stick. He held women in higher esteem rather than cheapening them and making them grunts...

Then again, he was a chauvinist, so what do *I* know?!?

JAFLW

218 Just Another Four-letter Word  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:45:58pm

re: #207 buzzsawmonkey

A number of environmental cases are increasingly open about their desire to reduce if not eliminate the human population for the Greater Good of the Earth.

...but I notice they aren't going to set the example and volunteer to go first, now are they?

JAFLW

219 mossley  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:05:05pm

re: #178 Sharmuta

re: #153 reine.de.tout

re: #154 mossley

I still think I'm going to win- I haven't even turned my TV on in three weeks.

Does it count if I turn it on to watch a video/DVD? That's about the only thing I use the TV for. And even then it's rarely a new release.

220 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:18:39pm

re: #217 Just Another Four-letter Word

JAFLW -

MEN - are stronger - from the waist up - with regard to height/weight.

WOMEN - are stronger - from the waist down - with regard to height/weight.

AND?

-S-

221 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:36:34pm

re: #219 mossley

mossley -

I FEEL your relief. except for News and the Occasional Movie, my mid-size LCD Wide Screen (37") doesn't get much use. Hopefully, it will have a lifespan close to the Sony KV-1920 that I bought for my parents in 1974.

-S-

222 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:09:46pm
223 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:11:49pm

Missed the iPhone thread. Durn.

Charles, when you get it, make sure to get "Shazam" from the app store. Hands down the most jaw-droppingly amazing app I've seen.

224 CapitalistTool  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:55:06pm

re: #107 Charles

iPhone - phone = iPod Touch

www.apple.com

Specs

225 Sharmuta  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 2:08:16am

re: #50 Charles

Wow. I just turned on the Charlie Rose show, and there's someone named Nicholson Baker, following the same WWII revisionist line as Pat Buchanan. He's actually arguing that World War II was unnecessary, and that we could have negotiated with Hitler.

According to this guy, Germany's Jews were like 'hostages,' and we should have treated the whole thing like a hostage negotiation.

re: #53 Charles

Winston Churchill was "a bloodthirsty man."

re: #62 Charles

Churchill was "the absolute worst person anyone could have put up against Hitler, because he made everything worse."

re: #67 Charles

"The state of war was a gift to the Hitler regime. It helped prop them up."

re: #69 Charles

"The military option was tried, and it was a disaster."

re: #83 Charles

"It's morally questionable to resist a Hitler."

Imagine if this guy was a history teacher in Louisiana with academic freedom.


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