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NYT: Keep It On the Down Low

Mon, Jul 14, 2008 at 6:58:37 pm PDT

New York Times “standards editor” Craig Whitney warns the staff not to let their true feelings show: The Times is No Place for ‘Funny, Bittersweet, or Just Bitter or Idiotic’ Political Bumper Stickers.

On a recent road trip, I found numerous funny, bittersweet, or just bitter or idiotic political bumper stickers a welcome distraction from $4.50 gas, but also thought I should remind everybody who has anything to do with creating or displaying news content why they shouldn’t display their own political views, on cars or elsewhere, in this campaign season or afterward.

The following two provisions of our Ethical Journalism policy apply:

Journalists have no place on the playing fields of politics. Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times. In particular, they may not campaign for, demonstrate for, or endorse candidates, ballot causes or efforts to enact legislation. They may not wear campaign buttons or themselves display any other insignia of partisan politics. They should recognize that a bumper sticker on the family car or a campaign sign on the lawn may be misread as theirs, no matter who in their household actually placed the sticker or the sign.

Staff members may not themselves give money to, or raise money for, any political candidate or election cause. Given the ease of Internet access to public records of campaign contributors, any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides.

Thanks for your cooperation.

Craig Whitney

(Hat tip: MSMediaCritic.)

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1 looking closely  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:59:45pm

Its OK for NYT workers to have extremely liberal political views, just not to put them on bumper stickers.

2 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 6:59:59pm

Oh, how sad, not like we couldn't tell anyway!

3 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:00:37pm
Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times.

I think you're a little late with this memo, Craig.

4 solomonpanting  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:00:51pm
I should remind everybody who has anything to do with creating or displaying news content why they shouldn't display their own political views, on cars or elsewhere, in this campaign season or afterward.

"News" articles are OK, though."

5 jaunte  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:01:19pm

I'm curious as to what bumper sticker fits into the 'bittersweet' category.

6 paint-right  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:01:48pm

LOL At first i thought it said 'standards editor" Craig Whitey!

7 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:01:49pm

A memo to not let true feelings show, eh? That ship sailed LONG ago.

8 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:02:02pm
any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides.

Wow- they really think they have us fooled, don't they?

9 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:02:06pm

New York Times reporters bleed blue...they can't he'p it.

10 Thanos  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:02:25pm

Bah, I'd rather they wore the bumper stickers. Trying to pretend they are objective is ridiculous. If you know where they are coming from you know how to weigh the words. That's why most bloggers have an "about" page.

11 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:02:41pm

Craig Whitey?

12 gymnast  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:02:49pm

But, but, but, the New York Times is the very embodiment, source, and personification of a silly, idiotic, supercilious, venal bumper sticker. Problem is that it does not come with a "sticky back" on the pages.

13 Blastforth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:02:54pm

Those standards apply only to professional journalists -- so they do not apply at the NYT.

14 Shug  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:03:23pm
Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times.

Gonna have to break all the printing presses for that to happen

15 razorbacker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:03:27pm

New York Times “standards editor”?

That poor boy must be as lonely as the Maytag repairman.

16 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:03:33pm

WOW. They have an Ethical Journalism policy.

Whoda thunk?

17 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:03:52pm

I wonder if they will try and enforce this? It would be interesting to see if any of our fellow lizards could stake out and take pictures of upstanding journalists as they drive into the parking garage at NYT.

18 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:04pm

Wait a minute. Doesn't "down low" refer to a practice by African-American men to engage in homosexual relationships outside of marriage?

19 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:12pm

From the Blackwater newsletter today:

Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

20 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:18pm
Journalists have no place on the playing fields of politics. Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times. In particular, they may not campaign for, demonstrate for, or endorse candidates,

snicker...snort...HAHAHAHAHA! Aw c'mon he can't be serious. If the NYT writers all lived up to that standard, the gray lady would be the blank lady.

21 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:25pm

re: #11 MandyManners

Craig Whitey?

Whitney, you twit.

22 ted  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:34pm

"NY Times" " Journalism " Ethics" Standards" ?

BWAHAHA!

23 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:37pm

Uh, good luck with that.

Seriously, I wish you the best of luck with that dream. But we might as well wish for a pony.

24 looking closely  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:38pm
Staff members may not themselves give money to, or raise money for, any political candidate or election cause. Given the ease of Internet access to public records of campaign contributors, any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides.


This is nonsense. Why shouldn't NYT employees be able to participate in the political process? (Actually since they are so poorly paid, they probably don't have money to spare for political donations, though that's a separate issue).

The real problem isn't that donations give the impression of taking sides, the problem is that when all or virtually all of the donations go to one candidate and one party, any illusion of impartiality is dissolved.

25 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:42pm

re: #10 Thanos

Ain't no such thing as 'objective' in journalism.

Every sentence shows bias. Pile of poop to pretend otherwise.

26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:51pm
any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides.

The editorial page is kind of a give away to their biases.

27 chicagodudewhotrades  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:54pm

When there needs to be a 'standards editor' on the payroll, then you have no standards.

28 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:04:58pm
29 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:05:01pm

He would be describing a news "blackout" at the times, and that would be racist.

30 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:05:09pm

re: #16 WriterMom

Ethical Journalism=jumbo shrimp=military intelligence

31 jaunte  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:05:28pm

"..any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides."
Your bundler will meet you in the usual pub at 5:30.

32 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:05:33pm

re: #26 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ya think?

33 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:05:37pm

Oh. So the Times really is neutral.

-phxxnnnxxnchaahahaha. Yeah. Right.

34 looking closely  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:06:03pm
Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times.


/Oh thank you mighty New York Times for giving us the permission to vote!

You know, if my employer fed me this condescending fascist BS, I'd tell them to go shove it up their @#$.

35 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:06:12pm

re: #30 pingjockey

=Palestinian Peace Movement

36 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:06:20pm

re: #33 David IV of Georgia

Did you just snort?
/

37 gymnast  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:06:22pm

re: #16 WriterMom

WOW. They have an Ethical Journalism policy.

Whoda thunk?

It is only a public relations gimic. their real policy is treason.

38 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:06:39pm

re: #35 WriterMom
That is a good one!

39 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:06:53pm

re: #34 looking closely

/Oh thank you mighty New York Times for giving us the permission to vote!

You know, if my employer fed me this condescending fascist BS, I'd tell them to go shove it up their @#$.

They are liberals, they are use to condescending, and being condescended to.

40 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:07:12pm

What...ever.

41 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:07:26pm

Ethical Democrat

42 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:07:37pm

re: #33 David IV of Georgia

Oh. So the Times really is neutral.

-phxxnnnxxnchaahahaha. Yeah. Right.

Shouldn't spellcheck have suggested pffffttt?

43 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:07:44pm

re: #37 gymnast

I know, I know! I was trying to be sarcastic/funny but I guess my tone didn't come through the intraweb.

44 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:07:51pm

Speaking of bumper stickers, I was behind a car with dozens of bumper stickers the other day.

And as I got closer, the overall sentiment actually WASN'T a flaming leftist.

45 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:08:20pm

re: #44 Silhouette

Speaking of bumper stickers, I was behind a car with dozens of bumper stickers the other day.

And as I got closer, the overall sentiment actually WASN'T a flaming leftist.

Ron Paul!

46 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:08:25pm

re: #41 DistantThunder
There used to be. Henry Jackson for one, Zell Miller for another and now I'm drawing a blank.

47 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:08:34pm

re: #41 DistantThunder

Moderate environmentalist!
Moderate socialist!
Mythical moderate Muslim!

48 gymnast  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:08:46pm

re: #43 WriterMom

I know, I know! I was trying to be sarcastic/funny but I guess my tone didn't come through the intraweb.

You did good!

49 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:08:50pm

Bumper sticker: Life is hard, wear a helmet

50 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:08:53pm

re: #46 pingjockey

There used to be. Henry Jackson for one, Zell Miller for another and now I'm drawing a blank.

Sam Ervin?

51 DoubleU  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:01pm

You can vote for whomever you want as long as it is an extreme leftist.

52 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:05pm

re: #47 WriterMom
Mwahahaha!

53 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:07pm

Describing military intelligence as an oxymoron has always amused me. People that generally subscribe to that point of view are woefully ignorant of matters military. Just sayin'!

54 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:17pm

Journalists beware,
The Times says you can't play in
the politics game.

55 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:30pm

Of course he reads bumper stickers. Most of their headlines are derived from one.

56 Cartman  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:43pm
Journalists have no place on the playing fields of politics.

My drink came up through my nose when I read that one.

57 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:44pm

re: #50 itellu3times
Only thing I remember about Sam was the Watergate hearings.

58 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:09:49pm

re: #54 lone_wolf_in_illinois

sorry, in a haiku mood tonight.

59 snowcrash  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:01pm

Most common bumper sticker seen in Cambridge MA last week: 01.20.09. (countdown to Bushes last day)

60 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:06pm

Conservative environmentalist=hunter, fisher, outdoorsman.

61 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:10pm

re: #46 pingjockey

There used to be. Henry Jackson for one, Zell Miller for another and now I'm drawing a blank.

Moynihan?

62 Irene NYC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:15pm

re: #24 looking closely

This is nonsense. Why shouldn't NYT employees be able to participate in the political process? (Actually since they are so poorly paid, they probably don't have money to spare for political donations, though that's a separate issue).

The real problem isn't that donations give the impression of taking sides, the problem is that when all or virtually all of the donations go to one candidate and one party, any illusion of impartiality is dissolved.

You forgot your sarc tag, right? They're union, and they're paid very, very handsomely by industry standards.

63 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:25pm

re: #34 looking closely

/Oh thank you mighty New York Times for giving us the permission to vote!

You know, if my employer fed me this condescending fascist BS, I'd tell them to go shove it up their @#$.

I caught that crap, too. An entitlement is not the same as a right.

64 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:38pm
65 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:49pm

re: #53 kevinmumaw

You're right-a slip of mine-there absolutely is military intelligence.

How about "Palestinian Military Intelligence"?

66 solomonpanting  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:10:52pm

re: #49 DistantThunder

Bumper sticker: Life is hard, wear a helmet

Bumper sticker:

Since you're this close, why not introduce yourself?

67 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:11:04pm

re: #53 kevinmumaw
Have you ever been in? I have and at times what passes for intelligence will make you weep or want to tear off someones head and shit down their windpipe.

68 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:11:22pm

re: #60 DistantThunder

Conservative environmentalist=hunter, fisher, outdoorsman.

Or environmental engineer - who understand what is really hurting us and what is BS.

69 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:11:26pm

I was under the impression that NYT writers got their story lines and polling data from bumper stickers.

70 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:11:26pm

My bumpersticker of choice:

Saddam had Nigerian yellowcake.
Eat that, Democrats!

71 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:11:35pm

re: #46 pingjockey

There used to be. Henry Jackson for one, Zell Miller for another and now I'm drawing a blank.

Oh, for the era of Scoop Jackson.

72 looking closely  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:11:58pm

re: #62 Irene NYC

You forgot your sarc tag, right? They're union, and they're paid very, very handsomely by industry standards.

My understanding is that historically NYT staff are paid abysmally poorly by newspaper standards.

Your pay is the "glory" of working for the NYT.

73 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:12:27pm

I need some new bumper stickers...but I think I'd get deleted for sharing my special thoughts.

74 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:12:45pm
Journalists have no place on the playing fields of politics.

I think journalists beg to differ. They seem to think their job is to tear down any politician they can get the goods on- but more from one party than the other. Seriously- all I can think of at the moment is dan rather.

75 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:04pm

re: #67 pingjockey

GOOD LORD!

76 Irene NYC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:09pm

re: #72 looking closely

My understanding is that historically NYT staff are paid abysmally poorly by newspaper standards.

Your pay is the "glory" of working for the NYT.

Freelancers may not make a lot (depends on the article), but employees are union and make very good wages.

77 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:12pm

Fantasy bumpersticker:

Responsible Republicans
Dysfunctional Democrats

78 The Shadow Do  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:19pm

About 30 days out from the vote they will drop some Republo-busting 'expose'. Count on it. This will not be because of "feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides", of course. Being all ethical and such.

79 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:29pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Wait a minute. Doesn't "down low" refer to a practice by African-American men to engage in homosexual relationships outside of marriage?

Perhaps, but the current meaning is to keep something hidden inside, such as feelings.

I looked it up at (shudder) Urban Dictionary.

80 Shug  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:29pm

All the taqiya that's fit to print

81 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:37pm

Bumper stickers seen lately;
Mother in Law in Trunk
Hire a teenager now while they know everything
Earth First!, We'll log the other planets later.

82 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #30 pingjockey

Ethical Journalism=jumbo shrimp=military intelligence

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or, more rarely, oxymora) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms. Oxymoron is a loanword from Greek oxy ("sharp" or "pointed") and moros ("dull"). Thus the word oxymoron is itself an oxymoron.

83 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:14:13pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

I think journalists beg to differ. They seem to think their job is to tear down any politician they can get the goods on

Any "born" in the past 30 years, at least, thinks their job is "to make a difference."

84 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:14:19pm

Nuke the gay whales for Jesus!

85 ted  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:14:20pm

He forgot:

1-No Obama tattoos on NYT's staffers butts.

2-No after work hours moonlighting at escort agencies by NYT's staffers to donate to the Democratic party.

3-No writing in the sand "Obama" in the outdoor ashtrays by NYT's staff smokers.

4-No writing of Obama on toilet rolls by NYT's staffers .

86 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:14:20pm
87 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:14:27pm

They don't need bumper stickers or lawn signs. Their opinions are evident in every story, and not just on the editorial pages.

88 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:14:57pm

re: #81 pingjockey

Bumper stickers seen lately;
Mother in Law in Trunk
Hire a teenager now while they know everything
Earth First!, We'll log the other planets later.

My favorite:

My other car is a broom

89 BignJames  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:15:12pm
90 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:15:28pm

re: #75 WriterMom
Tis to weep at times. I'm not talking military intel as in data, targeting etc... I'm talking the mindset of work it may, shine it must.

91 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:15:35pm

re: #89 BignJames

bad link

92 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:15:37pm

re: #82 jcw46

OK...we got it!

Barack Obama is an OXY MORON!

93 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:08pm
94 CanadianBush  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:09pm

Methinks the Grey Lady's chastity on this issue is as stretched as Maria Ciccone.

95 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:14pm

This is The Onion - print version, right?

96 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:25pm

re: #88 goddessoftheclassroom
Hahaha! Haven't seen that one.

97 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:26pm

re: #65 WriterMom

You're right-a slip of mine-there absolutely is military intelligence.

How about "Palestinian Military Intelligence"?

People are free to say it, I'm not a speech Nazi, it just amuses me. I do like Palestinian Peace Movement. Any kind of Arab Military Intelligence...although it must be improving since they haven't attacked Israel in 35 years.

I've done military intelligence as a planner and it is hard, thankless work. but the professionals we have doing it are the best the military has to offer in terms of brain power. Don't mean to be think-skinned.

98 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:36pm

re: #78 The Shadow Do

About 30 days out from the vote they will drop some Republo-busting 'expose'. Count on it. This will not be because of "feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides", of course. Being all ethical and such.

Ah- but that will be "hard hitting investigative journalism'"! No bias, of course.

99 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:42pm

re: #87 doppelganglander

They don't need bumper stickers or lawn signs. Their opinions are evident in every story, and not just on the editorial pages.

What they leave out of their coverage says more about their bias than what they include.

100 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:46pm
101 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:16:58pm

re: #82 jcw46

An oxymoron (plural oxymorons or, more rarely, oxymora) is a figure of speech that combines two normally contradictory terms. Oxymoron is a loanword from Greek oxy ("sharp" or "pointed") and moros ("dull"). Thus the word oxymoron is itself an oxymoron.

As is sophomore: a sophisticated moron (wise fool), or someone who thinks he knows everything but actually knows nothing.

102 jamsler  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:17:02pm

Oh puh-leez.

NYT is to unbiased as Islam is to tolerant.

103 razorbacker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:17:34pm

Which do you find more disturbing?

That a major news organization would send a memo like this to its employees.

Or that a major news organization noticed that it had to send out a memo like this to its employees.

104 Max Darkside  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:17:41pm

This is so F'ing funny... Bwahahahaa.....

Journalists have no place on the playing fields of politics. Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times.

I CANNOT believe he said that. Does he actually, really, think the Times is neutral or is he going to fire everyone on staff tomorrow?

105 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:17:42pm

re: #83 Silhouette

Any "born" in the past 30 years, at least, thinks their job is "to make a difference."

You have hit on one of the phrases I hate the most, along with "speak truth to power" and "things they don't want you to know."

106 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:17:55pm

re: #103 razorbacker

Both.

107 LEGION  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:03pm

The nyt and their objectivity hit the road decades ago.

108 FurryOldGuyJeans  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:06pm

re: #71 MandyManners

Oh, for the era of Scoop Jackson.

And now we are "blessed" with the likes of Murray and Cantwell. Pardon me while I go get sick.

109 WriterMom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:19pm

re: #97 kevinmumaw

I absolutely appreciate that kind of work. So many attacks are prevented because of that kind of work, so many lives saved-strategies built on that.

So thanks for your work!

110 Irene NYC  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:20pm

re: #103 razorbacker

Which do you find more disturbing?

That a major news organization would send a memo like this to its employees.

Or that a major news organization noticed that it had to send out a memo like this to its employees.

Is this like a chicken or egg sort of question?
;)

111 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:29pm

"Please peel off the OBAMA and Investigate 911 bumper-stickers.

Please".

112 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:47pm
"carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides."


Is Mr.Whitney a comedy writer? He should be..

113 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:49pm

I told my mother tonight about the resignations at the L.A. Times and the Chicago Tribune. She said, "I can hardly wait until The Old Gray Lady is going through the same."

Yay, Mom.

114 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:18:55pm

Oh, come on guys. They are finally trying to do something right and you won't give them a break?
/

115 kynna  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:19:05pm

IOW 'don't wear it on your sleeve, save it for the paper'.

*major eye-roll*

116 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:19:12pm

re: #97 kevinmumaw
S'alright. I didn't specify. I went to a DIA school and learned some really fantastic stuff about Soviet subs we didn't get at sonar school. tactics and such. I was thinking of in the middle of a weapons load out the xo is worried about field day cause some admiral is coming in 2 days!

117 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:19:35pm

re: #79 goddessoftheclassroom

Perhaps, but the current meaning is to keep something hidden inside, such as feelings.

I looked it up at (shudder) Urban Dictionary.

Wow. Has it been co-opted?

118 Sharmuta  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:19:55pm

I wonder if the resident contrarian got the memo.

119 SasquatchOnSteroids  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:19:56pm

Congress (R) hits 9% approval rating.

120 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:20:04pm

In the past elections, the MSM could be heartily be bias and who was to expose them? They were the exposers, and no one media would tattle on the other.

They are only more careful now because there is a new kid on the news block. They are afraid of a zombie-like expose showing all their bumper stickers, yard signs, and campaign contributions.

121 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:20:18pm

re: #19 DistantThunder

From the Blackwater newsletter today:

Silence is golden, but duct tape is silver.

Classic. I also like "Blood is thicker than water, until it is splattered all over the wall." I heard that one from a young private who returned from leave after learning that his meth-addicted sister sold every single one of his earthly possessions while he was in training.

122 Timbre  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:20:31pm

I was putting the groceries in the trunk of my car last week at the same time a woman parked next to me was putting up hers. She and the grocery car were at the end of her car. We finished about the same time and I offered to take her basket with mine to the corral. As I was walking back to my car, her bumper was clear to my view: "Impeach Bush" was the bumper sticker. I laughed all the way home about the irony, especially that she had no knowledge of that irony-- I work for President Bush...and her!

123 jaunte  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:20:41pm

re: #118 Sharmuta

What are you trying to conjure up?

124 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:20:43pm

re: #113 MandyManners

I told my mother tonight about the resignations at the L.A. Times and the Chicago Tribune. She said, "I can hardly wait until The Old Gray Lady is going through the same."

Yay, Mom.

OK, I missed that. What happened?

125 goddessoftheclassroom  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:21:01pm

re: #96 pingjockey

Hahaha! Haven't seen that one.

I've actually said to my students, "Don't make me get my flying monkeys..."

126 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:21:04pm

re: #36 lone_wolf_in_illinois

Did you just snort?
/

perhaps

127 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:21:09pm

re: #109 WriterMom

I absolutely appreciate that kind of work. So many attacks are prevented because of that kind of work, so many lives saved-strategies built on that.

So thanks for your work!

Now military music...that is an oxymoron.

128 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:22:09pm

re: #119 SasquatchOnSteroids

Congress (R) hits 9% approval rating.

Yeah. They've been tryin' to push it up a little.

129 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:22:10pm

re: #127 kevinmumaw
Are John Philip Sousa Marches considered military music? I like Sousa.

130 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:22:18pm

This is tedious repetition of an old New York Times lie about its alleged "objectivity". It's hypocrisy that New Yorkers caught on to long ago. That explains its plummeting circulation in the New York metropolitan area (down below 350,000 and still falling).

Want to know what the N.Y. Times is really about? Try senior married staffers notorious for their philandering, junior staffers who have a militant gay agenda which leaks into their "coverage" of the news more often than not, and political connections to high-ranking officials in both parties that enables the Times to get a N.Y. state agency to use the power of eminent domain to seize the land on which the Times's new office building now stands from a private landlord.

No wonder the N.Y. Times supported the U.S. Supreme Court's Kelo decision stripping a Connecticut grandmother of her home! They directly benefited from it!

131 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:23:45pm

re: #116 pingjockey

S'alright. I didn't specify. I went to a DIA school and learned some really fantastic stuff about Soviet subs we didn't get at sonar school. tactics and such. I was thinking of in the middle of a weapons load out the xo is worried about field day cause some admiral is coming in 2 days!

Yep, it's the same no matter what branch. I am in the USASOC language school right now, and it is an extremely intensive course. We were told not to come in to class one day (which is a lot, believe me) because some admiral was going to be in the area. I guess the sight of special ops students learning foreign languages in the language school house might have sent the wrong impression?!?

132 lone_wolf_in_illinois  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:23:57pm

re: #126 David IV of Georgia

That's OK, at least you didn't do it at the theater like my wife has a habit of doing!

133 Crashnburn  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:24:02pm

Are you allowed to put a bumper sticker on a subway train or taxi? I'd bet quite a few of these NYT types don't even HAVE a car...

134 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:24:41pm

re: #58 lone_wolf_in_illinois

concern yourself not
oh lone_wolf_in_illinois
brevity is admired

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:24:48pm

Hi Y'all. Really lit. Watching Home Run Derby. Josh Hamilton is freakin' tearin' it up!

136 BigJohn  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:24:48pm

re: #125 goddessoftheclassroom

I've actually said to my students, "Don't make me get my flying monkeys..."

Of all things, those monkeys still give me the creeps.

137 LEGION  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:25:12pm

re: #119 SasquatchOnSteroids

Yep, the DEMORAT CONTROLLED Congress's approval rating- 9%
They never mention that- just that the POTUS is low 30's high 20's- just triple the DEMORAT congress.

138 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:25:18pm

re: #129 pingjockey

Are John Philip Sousa Marches considered military music? I like Sousa.

Probably. Sorry to offend!

139 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:25:50pm

re: #127 kevinmumaw

Now military music...that is an oxymoron.


The Battle Hymn of the Republic

140 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:26:00pm

But, we must wait until oʇıuƃoɔ has arrived before we make judgment.

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:26:38pm

re: #136 BigJohn

I have a brilliant, beautiful 18 year old neice who is still terrified by Oompah Loompahs.

142 Cartman  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:26:40pm

Uh, oh. Incoming ID/DI thread at 12 o'clock.

143 LEGION  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:26:46pm

Hurrah for the Red, White and Blue. Johnny Sousa- you be the man.

Favorite Bumper Sticker- Rugby players eat their dead.

144 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:27:00pm

re: #142 Cartman

Grenade!

145 Crashnburn  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:27:25pm

re: #136 BigJohn The Garret Morris "Flying Monkey" skit on SNL was one of the funniest ones they ever did...

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:27:33pm

re: #139 Silhouette

Peter effin' J Wilhousky. Yeah!

147 eastvillageinfidel  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:27:35pm

This must be some sort of joke.

148 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:28:34pm

re: #147 eastvillageinfidel

This must be some sort of joke.

No, Obama is really their candidate.

Oh, you meant the NYT memo.

149 Cartman  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:28:41pm

re: #144 kevinmumaw

Evasive maneuvers!

150 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:29:21pm

I'm going trolling over at DU and off to bed. Getting a full 5 1/2 hours tonight!

151 Cartman  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:30:52pm

re: #150 kevinmumaw

I'm going trolling over at DU and off to bed. Getting a full 5 1/2 hours tonight!

Don't do it. You'll have nightmares. ;)

152 razorbacker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:31:25pm

The problem with 'military intelligence' is that you spend all this time, money, and often blood developing intricate detailed plans on how to fight.

And once the first gun goes off it becomes outdated. If you shoot at someone, he may react differently than expected.

It's like the joke about the Confederate veteran complaining to the General after the war, "Suh, y'all told us we could whup them Yankees with cornstalks."

"An' we could have, too. But the bassards wouldn't fight that way."

153 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:33:33pm

OT: They are super pissed again. Obama opposes late term abortion for mental health reasons.

LeftyMom

1. Thank you Doctor Obama. Oh wait, you're not a Doctor? Then STFU about medicine.

She'll still vote for him though.

Ok, that's enough. Night all.

154 Palandine  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:36:25pm

Reunite Gondwanaland!

155 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:36:36pm

re: #97 kevinmumaw

Having been in the military, I believe the "military intelligence" referred to in this instance is the "intelligence" exhibited by some desk-riding, pencil-pushing remf who tells you that you can't do the rational thing that makes sense but that you have to do something "by the book". (even though the "book's" answer is to the most casual observer completely wrong and will get you killed or in more trouble)

156 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:37:01pm

OK NY Times -

"BUMPER STICKER IS" -

"MARXIST = READ MARX, ENTREPRENEUR = UNDERSTOOD MARX" - Put that in your BONG and Smoke It.

-S-

157 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:39:00pm

re: #152 razorbacker

That's why MI is a constant 24/7 battle. We adapt as the enemy adapts, then do it again. Sometimes it is slow, sometimes it is lightning fast. When I was in the Advanced course, we were still using the Soviet doctrine as to how the enemy would fight. Last year. I'm certain we won't be repulsing Soviet armored divisions in central Europe any time soon. But in the field, in Iraq and Afghanistan, they are in step with how the insurgents operate. I saw some things in the SCIF at CJTF82 when I was there in early 2006 that would impress. I saw things that made the news months later concerning Iran's relationship with the Taliban, some of which has still not been released. it's all about adaptation and prediction and we are a lot better at it now than we were 2 or 3 years ago.

158 Mich-again  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:39:02pm

If Congress approval rates are really 9% positive, then the theme out to be, throw all the bums out and start from scratch. How much worse could be if they were all just random people out of the phone book?

159 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:40:06pm

re: #155 jcw46

Yes, what started out as an "in" joke to relieve the frustration at red tape and other mess ups, began being used by outsiders to imply the intelligence gathering capabilities of the military were sub-par, or typically just to imply that soldiers are stupid.

Similar to the way community college art majors inform us that the President, who can fly a military jet plane and graduated from two different top universities, is a moron.

160 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:40:29pm

re: #155 jcw46

Having been in the military, I believe the "military intelligence" referred to in this instance is the "intelligence" exhibited by some desk-riding, pencil-pushing remf who tells you that you can't do the rational thing that makes sense but that you have to do something "by the book". (even though the "book's" answer is to the most casual observer completely wrong and will get you killed or in more trouble)

Yeah, you're probably right. But I'm not cutting any slack for the hippies in SF.

161 kevinmumaw  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:40:49pm

San Francisco, not Special Forces.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:42:21pm

re: #158 Mich-again

Problem is...IMHO....Everybody's Congressman/Senator is OK.

163 Roentgen  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:47:22pm

Craig Whitney spews a canard of the first order. The NYT front page is firmly entrenched with one of the two major political parties--guess which one. The same can be said their Op Ed pieces. I subscribe to the paper Sunday edition for several reasons, but I've learned to take the "A" section and use it to line the dog's area. If Whitney thinks that writers and editors at the NYT are even close to resembling objectivity, he should seek another vocation.

164 kawfytawk  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:49:11pm
any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides.

Too bloomin funny! This guy is a hoot!

Given the ease of Internet access to public records

In other words, we can no longer fool em...they are on to us! (cue freaky left and right eye twitches )

funny thing is ...they still don't get it....it didn't take internet records to show us your true colors....your rag speaks for itself.

165 razorbacker  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:54:46pm

re: #157 kevinmumaw

MI is like education. It is an ongoing activity. What was true may not now be so, what was false may now be true.

Case in point. Neighbor's wife flew to the Phillipines a while back. I was buying her tickets online and the hubby noticed she had a layover in Japan. He got exicited at the idea of her buying a cheap sound system and sending it home.

'Cause stuff was cheaped in Japan when last he was there. In the late '60s during the Vietnam War. I hated to break it to him that he could buy cheaper electronics at WallyWorld and wouldn't even have to ship them home.

When I was in high school, I had a rifle or shotgun on the back seat, in the open, from the start of squirrel season through the end of duck season. The only time I was ever questioned was the time the principal asked if that was a fixed or variable power scope. I'd not recommend a high schooler try that now.

Don't stop educating yourself. And don't rely on others to educate you.

166 Robert Schwartz  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:58:21pm

This story is so deeply humorous, and so sad, that I don't know how to react.

167 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:58:42pm

why would he even bother to send that memo?
those people are delusional on many levels.

168 jcw46  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 7:59:41pm

re: #159 Silhouette

I've always laughed at the "dumb Bush" meme.
1. Learn to fly aircraft and be passed by officers who have NO reason to let you in any aircraft unqualified.
2. Fly military jet-powered fighter aircraft.
3. Keep from being a flaming hole in the ground
4. Let ME call you dumb and see how you react.

As an aside, I've also been P!ssed at the way his arrival on the Abraham Lincoln was mocked and poo-pooed.
1. He was a pilot
2. When he got the chance to trap on an aircraft carrier (one of the most scary, exhilarating experiences that a human being can have, that only a select few experience; He took it. Good for him.
3. His swagger on exiting from the aircraft and walk across the deck; He was strapped into a g-suit and rescue vest. This gear is ALWAYS strapped as tight as can be to keep you in it and to serve it's function, as a result it makes you walk funny.

One of the reasons I cut McCain a LOT of slack about his politics is because he went through similar training AND was shot off and trapped onto a carrier for combat missions and commanded men who did the same thing every day.

169 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:02:40pm
Staff members may not themselves give money to, or raise money for, any political candidate or election cause. Given the ease of Internet access to public records of campaign contributors, any political giving by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false impression that the paper is taking sides.

Mmm... that's some good satire.

/wait, what?

170 markie  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:06:35pm

That the memo was felt to be needed proves that the ideal of the impartial journalist has not been realized at the NYT. Others could use something similar, but a wholesale cashiering from the top down of those who encourage "advocacy journalism" would be more effective. And I'm not just talking newspapers here.

171 Attaboid  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:20:55pm
two provisions of our Ethical Journalism policy

Bwahahaha, Piss in my ear.

/apologies to TFK

172 Naso Tang  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:30:34pm

by a Times staff member would carry a great risk of feeding a false true impression that the paper is taking sides.

173 BGOH  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:48:06pm

I just came across this after being mesmerized by the home run derby, and I think I just blew a kidney laughing at how ridiculously phony this "memo" is.

If I happen to read this tomorrow and blow out the other one, are there any other Lizards out there with O+ that might have a kidney to spare?

174 Steffan  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:52:50pm

re: #74 Sharmuta

If they had (and enforced) something similar to the Hatch Act, people might actually come to respect journalists.


/Naaaaaaah....

175 Gretchen  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 8:59:20pm

In a related memo Mr. Whitney told staffers they should wear jackets or better yet, jackets and ties over their "Obama for President" and "McCain Sucks" t-shirts (uniforms) until they arrived safely inside the news room at the NYT.

176 Miss Molly  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:04:18pm

What a memo to the staff at the NYT ! I bet the temper tantrums will go on for -- well months.

177 fish-man  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:10:40pm

Hmmm... Doesn't it seem like a real center of journalistic ethics would have done certain other things, have made a culture out of certain other things, that would pre-empt ever having to send such a memo - And in fact, that a real center of journalism, let alone one which takes journalistic ethics seriously, would never have to send out such a memo, because any actual violators would end up not actually working for said centers?

This memo is a riot.

FM

178 MSMediaCritic  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:11:17pm

Hey, my second hat-tip ever!

And it's about the New York Times!

I leave for New York on Thursday.... hope they don't put out a contract on me.

179 big L  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:21:30pm

ha hahahahaha! What a tool...

180 mattm  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:34:46pm

Well that clears up any hit or possabality of bias by the NYT.

/sarc

181 Maximu§  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:47:05pm

New York Times “standards editor” Craig Whitney warns....

The last gasp of a dieing creature.

182 Manster  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 9:48:43pm

I may find that stickerless Subaru yet!

183 Paul Green  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:39:33pm

"Staff members are entitled to vote, but they must do nothing that might raise questions about their professional neutrality or that of The Times."

Yeah? How about editorializing in body copy?

184 Maximu§  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 10:55:05pm

Looks like the only thing holding that POS together are the bumper stickers.

185 Throbert McGee  Mon, Jul 14, 2008 11:18:35pm

re: #18 MandyManners

Wait a minute. Doesn't "down low" refer to a practice by African-American men to engage in homosexual relationships outside of marriage?

Or, more generally, to sneak outside of a heterosexual relationship (marital or not) for homosexual activity. And even more generally, to sneak around being homosexual, unbeknownst to your heterosexual friends, who assume that you are also heterosexual.

Thus, if a guy is unmarried and has no girlfriend, he can still be "on the down low" in that his friends and family don't know* that he's sneaking off to have sex with another dude.

[*] Or they pretend not to know. "The Closet" can be a complicated thing involving lots of la-la-la, I didn't hear that and other ridiculous gameplaying by everyone on all sides.

186 Roentgen  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 4:31:31am

re: #130 quickjustice

I think we have some insight here.

187 El Anti-Idiotario  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 5:10:48am

NYT: April Fools' Day every day.

188 eaglewingz08  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 5:24:55am

Don't you 'knuckle crawlers' understand Slimespeak. They don't oppose inserting bias where it creates a 'true' impression of bias, in favor of a candidate or party (gee, I guess we'll never know which candidates or parties (only those beginning with the letter d and ending with emocrat) the NYSlimes is in favor of). It's only 'false' impressions that are banned. You know, like when the Slimes 'endorsed' Sen. John McCain, that was a 'false' impression given to the audience, which audience was subsequently disabused of that 'false' impresssion about a month later when hit job pieces began circulating in the 'paper of record'.

189 pocomoco  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 6:01:25am

OMG! Doesn’t this put Dowd, Krugman, and Freedman out of business?

190 grimbo  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 6:08:13am

One thing occurs to me - This Whitney guy can't really be so deluded as to believe this Memo he's written ( the bit about being unbiased) so the memo is perhaps more in the line of propaganda. Anyone criticizing the NYT as biased can be referred to the memo "See! we're not biased, we're ethical journalists..." etc. etc.

Or is that too paranoid...

191 Sabnen  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 6:19:59am

Zombie-Like Project for someone in NYC . . . Go down to the NYT parking lot (do they even have one?) and take pics of bumper stickers in the lot. Any goofy vanity tags? And another aside . . . what kinda cars are they driving? I vaguely remember some kind of research out there on the type of cars driven by certain people and the level of their affluence . . . I know, I know, they're probably all hybrids, but their maybe some interesting wheels there.

192 pabarge  Tue, Jul 15, 2008 7:41:10am

ROTFLMAO


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