Just another example of how it is that Obama just doesn't get it - or maybe how he does get it.
Either way, it's a VERY BAD idea for Obama, morally and I strongly think politically as well.

and the hits just keep on comin'...

So is there room under the bus for Israel? It would appear so.

Nuts

Damn, didn't submit it early enough for the hat tip ;)

In any case, it will be very, very interesting to see what actually happens. Obama is very good at pandering, but this may be a pander too far. If he earns a good reception from the crowds, (who are certainly media savvy), we'll have photos that dog him from now until election day as rabid rejectionists rejoice in his presence.

If he fails, he'll simply show that he really doesn't have the experience or diplomatic chops and that he's been trading on smoke and mirrors.

Either way, this is a stupendously poor move from a tactical standpoint in terms of campaigning and a poor diplomatic move as you don't engage in trilateral negotiations when your own nation goes schizoid and plays two roles.

This could turn out really bad.

And your mission, Mr. Obama, should you decide to accept it? Promise to throw Israel under the bus. Discretely, of course.

re: #3 pingjockey

Depends on who he's talking to that day. AIPAC? He'll actually take a position that's more hardline than what many Israelis or McCain himself offered.
Not-AIPAC? Well, 'undivided' was just an example of 'misspeaking'.

Bah.

re: #6 brainwizard73

This could turn out really bad.

Not can...WILL!

Why is this such a bad move for him politically?

Fatah, as the more moderate of the two most powerful terrorist groups in the region, is somehow seen as Israel's Partner in Peace.™ If Obama's trying to paint himself as the great uniter, the best hope for Israeli-Palestinian peace, why not go and pose for a few pictures with them, and pretend that he offers some potential for a breakthrough?

Not even John Kerry tried a stunt like this.

re: #9 Dustyvet

No, I am thinking some nutjob would take a shot at him or something. I wonder if this is a dangerous move on his part.

He should bring Jimmah along for the ride. You know, for the street cred factor, and all.

Fatah is NOT moderate. This is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the West. They are every bit as dedicated to the destruction of Israel as Hamas.

The terrorists will love him there. He's now the symbol of retreat and defeat and thats why 4 out of 5 thugs like him so much. He's a disaster waiting to happen

I am not really surprised...what I do fear, though, is that my fellow Jews who are dumb enough to still be Demonrats, will still vote for him.

Here is more info.

re: #10 Last Mohican

Moderate how, exactly?

Just because they are enemies of Hamas doesn't make them legit partner for peace.

re: #14 Charles

Fatah is the new name for PLO. A terror organization with special taste in killing the Jews

Dude is acting like he's already got POTUS in the bag.

Huh - and from Charles' link: "During the same visit, Obama is expected to meet with Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and other Israeli officials. The Obama campaign declined to comment."
WTH? Obama is expected to meet with Israeli officials but the Obama campaign declined to comment?
Why doesn't Barry GET IT - the "activist" wing of the Dem party is already horribly disillusioned with Obama (as evidenced in the thread Charles put up several days ago about Kos himself telling Obama and telling the Democratic Party to "FUCK OFF" for Obama's turning his back on his pledges to the activist wing on Iraq, FISA, Public Funding, Gun Ownership and a host of other issues). But Obama must surely know that if he comes back to his base, he's gonna lose the remainder of the Dems and a helluva lot of Independents too.
Gee, wonder if Obama will take Jimmy Carter along as an "advisor" when he meets with the Pali's
(btw, he didn't say he was meeting with HAMAS, just with FATAH, even though Hamas was elected by the Pali people!)

re: #19 Cartman

full of ego

What preconditions are on the talks? The article didn't say...

re: #11 Charles

Not even John Kerry tried a stunt like this.

But I'll bet that Swiftboat (Up The Mekong River Without a Paddle) John is kicking himself, that he didn't think of it!

re: #22 brainwizard73

none, i'd say

Maybe Fatah saw the New Yorker cover...

Any word on whether they asked the Shrew to bring her AK-47 with her? Fatah could use more guns.

re: #24 winston06

Well, what is everyone so worked up about? So what if Obama shares a few recipes with Abbas? We'll get a sweet falafel sauce and the PLO will get a hot line to the White House.

What could go wrong?

How the hell is the Secret Service supposed to protect Obama in one of the most violent terrorist controlled areas in the world?

Fatah=Hamas=PLO=murdering bastards.

Huh? I'm sorry....I was distracted by Santiago's pole-dancing 'goddess of the Subway', Monserrat Morilles.

Believe it or not, I was able to get my gringo hands on something like that on the subway (tres rojo diamantes) when I was in Chile a few years ago......

/the pole, not the dancer

//*SOB!*

re: #11 Charles

Not even John Kerry tried a stunt like this.

Amen Brother, Amen.

re: #13 Cartman

Do you mean this Jimmah?

Oh and....is a photo-op with Baby Assad next?

re: #17 brainwizard73

As Charles says, Fatah is every bit as committed to the destruction of Israel as is Hamas, and no more interested in legitimate negotiation than Hamas is. And their representatives say so frequently, in Arabic. But somehow they seem to keep the genocidal rhetoric to a minimum when speaking in English, and so the West has seized upon Fatah as Israel's Partners in Peace.™ The people whose votes Obama is after seem to believe that crap. They want to see him wearing a dark suit, negotiating with foreign leaders (perhaps in front of a simulated presidential seal). So maybe it's a good political move for him.

re: #27 Neo Con since 9-11

Exactly. With all of the nuts over there, including really radical Israelis who think that Obama will give away Jerusalem (not without basis, though), I would think this would be a dangerous gamble.

To what end? Prove that he can hang with terrorists and thugs? He ALREADY does...calling Bill Ayers.

Poll over at Kozistan:

Obama or McCain?

Obama 95% 1417 votes
McCain 5% 70 votes

McCain's doin' better than I would've thought. If he could really win 5% of the fever swamp, this thing would be over.

re: #21 winston06

full of ego

/That's not all he's full of.

re: #10 Last Mohican

Fatah? "Moderate"?

Fatah's spokesmouths are more schmooze-savvy vis-a-vis the non-Middle-Easterners that they're trying to trick, I will give them that.

re: #19 Cartman

Dude is acting like he's already got POTUS in the bag.

C'man, I know you are not advocating. but NOT an EFFING chance. By election night, the BHO-Man will be so far behind, even the MSM will call the election by 9 pm Eastern. Going to get to bed early for a change on the 7th.

re: #31 trigger girlie

Out on a limb here: Yeah, that would qualify as "bad".

I despise Obama and the Shrew, but something catastrophic happening would be bad for America, Israel and the rest of the free world.

re: #36 Opilio

Why would Kos even bother with a poll like that?

I'd like to see a one-to-one Kos poll matchup between Obama and Crazy Uncle Ron. Now that would be a competition.

re: #31 trigger girlie
Poor taste for these parts.

I hope against hope that the dangerously naive Senator Obama does not say after learning the true mission of Fatah: "This is not the Abbas I had come to know the past few years..."

re: #36 Opilio

Poll over at Kozistan:

Obama or McCain?

Obama 95% 1417 votes
McCain 5% 70 votes

McCain's doin' better than I would've thought. If he could really win 5% of the fever swamp, this thing would be over.

The 5% are the ones who remembered their meds today.

re: #33 Fenway_Nation

Will Michelle wear a headscarf when the three of them are talking?

Will she look good?

Call Entertainment Tonight!

re: #31 trigger girlie

Yep.

re: #43 nnw59

No, he won't after this mission.

He will after he becomes President and Fatah and Hamas launch terror attacks at Israel.

I don't see the upside in this for Obama.

The folks likely to be impressed by this are already in the Obama camp, and if it goes wrong, he looks the fool for his continued belief in talking to terrorists and dictators.

I don't see any real gain for him... just a big risk of disaster.

Why would he do this?

re: #27 Neo Con since 9-11

How the hell is the Secret Service supposed to protect Obama in one of the most violent terrorist controlled areas in the world?

Secret Service protect him? The terrorists have such a hard on for him that he has NOTHING to fear. (Please don't let McCain do something stupid like try to follow in his footsteps.)

If he does...who is in the wings? Just wondering.

re: #45 brainwizard73

Maybe Michelle can borrow Pelosi's headscarf.

Do visiting VIP's bring their own headscarf, or are they provided upon arrival....kinda like bowling alley shoes?

re: #48 stevieray

So he can claim to be an "honest" broker for an upcoming peace process? Starting on his legacy already?

re: #48 stevieray

I don't see the upside in this for Obama.

The folks likely to be impressed by this are already in the Obama camp, and if it goes wrong, he looks the fool for his continued belief in talking to terrorists and dictators.

I don't see any real gain for him... just a big risk of disaster.

Why would he do this?

Inexperience. That is his hallmark. He's a lamb in lamb's clothing.

re: #27 Neo Con since 9-11

How the hell is the Secret Service supposed to protect Obama in one of the most violent terrorist controlled areas in the world?

They have somehow managed to protect President Bush and Secretary Rice. I don't see why protecting Obama would be more challenging.

re: #41 Last Mohican

Why would Kos even bother with a poll like that?

I'd like to see a one-to-one Kos poll matchup between Obama and Crazy Uncle Ron. Now that would be a competition.

Not Koz, one of the Koz Kidz is trying to make some point. Don't know what it is, as I didn't read the diary, just noticed the poll.

re: #49 soccerdad

If he does...who is in the wings? Just wondering.

Ron Paul.

re: #13 Cartman Hey my friend - see my #20; GMTA!

This is what we get for Obama acting "Presidential...."

re: #45 brainwizard73

Will Michelle wear a headscarf when the three of them are talking?

I don't think Michelle is going on this trip.

re: #48 stevieray

Stevie,

He is so full of himself, and so totally clueless, that he feels he can overwhelm them with his brilliance, while playing both sides of the street.

He is an enemy of Israel and the Jews.

Months ago Nobama and Clinton's chief foreign policy heads went to Syria and had talks. One wonders what was agreed to and what promises were given. I venture to guess that they told the chinless one to have his killer buddies to hold off on any attacks that could help the Republicans before the election. What they would give in return, one wonders. My guess is that after the election all hell is going to break lose. If Nobama wins than Iserial is going to have to go after Iran's nukes, what choice will they have? If McCain wins expect an terrorist attack to show Bush failed. I expect that after loosing two countries and having their butts kicked all over the place they wanted no more of Bush. With Bush on the way out though, what's to lose. If McCain wins I think they will wish for the easy going they got from Bush.

A quick primer on Fatah, Hamas, and "The Shackled Warrior" (Israel) in a Q&A with the indispensible Caroline Glick of the J-Post -- from NRO, about a month ago

re: #50 Fenway_Nation

Maybe Michelle can borrow Pelosi's headscarf.

Do visiting VIP's bring their own headscarf, or are they provided upon arrival....kinda like bowling alley shoes?

I would think each gets her own. They probably have the National Seal of Syria on them...you know, kind of like the M&Ms on Air Force One.

The key will be whether Michelle wears it when Barack gets back to the United States. It would keep her New Yorker-afro out of the elements...

I guess Islam is liberating for women!

i'm sorry, but the first two or three things that came to mind would definitely get deleted, and might even cause the stick to fall......

how much more evidence does the room temperature IQ crowd need that this man is an idiot?

/disgusted

Could this simply be an ego thing? McCain suggests a trip to Iraq, Obama must top it with a trip to the West Bank?

Key words: "stays the course".

We simply cannot afford this kind of presidency. Not here, not now, and in my opinion, not ever.

re: #39 soccerdad

Your words to G-d's ear...

re: #58 JustMyView

Why not? She carries in her purse that which The Messiah needs. She has to go, or we are really SOL.

re: #59 NY Nana

Right on both counts, Nana.

Would not Nobama be considered an apostate?

Wow. I find it utterly unbelievable that anyone would vote for this idiot.

In fact, I wish for anyone who does for spit to be upon them!

As I've said before, I'm living in a world that I no longer understand.

re: #31 trigger girlie
Hey trigger girlie - just wanted to explain why I dinged you down on that; wishing or hoping that somebody "off" or blow up Obama is not really considered acceptable here.
Let's "blow him away" on Election Day with votes, not explosives or bullets.

re: #64 stevieray

Maybe Obama is really too stupid to read a map. Anyone test him?

re: #72 brainwizard73

Maybe Obama is really too stupid to read a map. Anyone test him?

Boy. Talk about a thankless task...

re: #46 Cartman Nope!
See my #71 for why.

re: #59 NY Nana

I think he'll get away with it. If he can spend twenty years heaping praise on Reverend Wright, and then successfully dispose of Wright under the bus overnight, he'll be able to spin this trip however he wants. All that will be left when it's over will be the videotapes of all of the world's peoples gathering in the streets, holding hands together, and celebrating the blessed arrival of the Obamessiah. It'll make good background imagery for his big acceptance speech at the football stadium.

I do think that, if he's photographed placing a wreath on Arafat's grave, he might lose some Jewish voters. But he won't do that. And I suspect he might even get away with that too.

re: #73 BGOH

Boy. Talk about a thankless task...

Well, he thinks there are 57 states, so it wouldn't surprise me if he though the West Bank was shaped a bit like Iraq.

I take my comment back, but not my feelings. Although it was partailly a joke, but just partially.

re: #69 jcobble

Absolutely. It's amazing how the Muslims are conveniently forgetting that, isn't it?

re: #48 stevieray
Hey stevieray! How are you doing tonight? I agree with your sentiments, see my #20 for why.

re: #55 Cartman

Ron Paul.

You owe me a keyboard.

Who will be Obama's Leni Riefenstahl?

re: #74 realwest

Nope!
See my #71 for why.

My "yep" was an affirmative declaration to the question posed. As in "yep, that's a bad idea".

re: #66 NY Nana

Your words to G-d's ear...

I've always loved you. Relax........trust me. (but PRAY i'm right)

re: #60 jcobble " If McCain wins I think they will wish for the easy going they got from Bush."
And I think they are gonna be greatly surprised by McCain. He isn't the type to take it easy on terrorists and his friendship with and strong support of Israel has been long and deep way before this election season started.

Secure in the knowledge that Barack Obama will keep me and my family safe, I now head to bed and to a peaceful sleep.

With one eye open...

re: #68 stevieray

Thanks, Stevie.

I still cannot believe that he will win in November. People seem to be waking up from their self-induced state of robot-like adoration of what is essentially an empty suit. And as they take the wool off of their eyes, they are seeing more and more the real Obama.

And realize, I hope, that Obama would be the greatest disaster for our nation, and I never thought I would say this, than Carter and Clinton.

Obama is not fit to be President. Period. And we really have yet to see the true Obama, if there indeed is such a thing

re: #64 stevieray Yup, you could very well be right on that.

re: #81 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Who will be Obama's Leni Riefenstahl?

/Susan Saranwrap.

re: #82 Cartman Ah, ok.
;')

re: #88 NY Nana

/Susan Saranwrap.

Couldn't they wrap her in something, like, more opaque?

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all but I gotta try to get some sleep, NOW! LOL!

I do hope that you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.

I'm out to.

re: #83 soccerdad

Thank you! I have been praying since this started. I do not remember in my lifetime a worse election, and that it is occurring when we need the very best of the best.

What we have? The dregs. But McCain can do the job. And I feel that he is a friend of Israel and the Jews, at a time when Israel needs a friend that they can trust, while their government is an inexorable mess. McCain understands. Hussein? He is the enemy, and not just of the Jews. I do not consider him to be a loyal, patriotic America, and we know what his bitch of a wife thinks of our country.

John McCain is a true patriot. These photos of how he lived at the Hanoi Hilton are heartbreaking. He has the experience that Obama and Bubba never did...fighting in our military. Obama might have been too young, but Bubba was a draft dodger, picketing the US Embassy, in London..yet he became President.

Nu?

Eva Peron looks good in comparison to Michelle Obama.

re: #90 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Couldn't they wrap her in something, like, more opaque?

Oooh, do I have suggestions! ;) And she and Hanoi Jane would probably re-locate to Iran when President McCain is inaugurated.

re: #90 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Couldn't they wrap her in something, like, more opaque?

Like a concrete sarcophagus

re: #14 Charles

Fatah is NOT moderate. This is one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated on the West. They are every bit as dedicated to the destruction of Israel as Hamas.

In case anyone wants to dispute that or would like to see proof ....

From the Palestine National Charter:
Article 15. The liberation of Palestine is a national obligation for the Arabs. It is their duty to repel the Zionist and imperialist invasion of the greater Arab homeland and to liquidate the Zionist presence in Palestine. The full responsibility for this belongs to the peoples and governments of the Arab nation and to the Palestinian people first and foremost. For this reason, the task of the Arab nation is to enlist all the military, human, moral and material resources at its command to play an effective part, along with the Palestinian people, in the liberation of Palestine. Moreover, it is the task of the Arab nation, particularly at the present stage of the Palestinian armed revolution, to offer the Palestinian people all possible aid, material and manpower support, and to place at their disposal all the means and opportunities that will enable them to continue to perform their role as the vanguard of their armed revolution until the liberation of their homeland* is achieved.

From the Jewish Virtual Library.

afaik; this "charter" has never been repudiated. (though countless "peace accords" were made contingent on it's removal.
* homeland defined as the British Protectorate as defined before the formation of Israel.

re: #75 Last Mohican

He seems to be losing his grip on the hypnotized Obamamaniacs, and where a month ago, I feared he would keep them under control, I see him slipping.

But yes, Jews will still vote for him. Being a liberal means never having to say you're sorry..but it also means that you are a broken record, and soon your play book will be past it's sell by date. I just hope that the wake up call will not be too late!

/I ain't no steeenkin' liberal!

G'nite, Lizards...got to go to sleep!

Sweet dreams!

Change! Fatah agrees to Jerusalem as Israeli Capital!

Obama talking with Fatah is not so bad. It may convince more American Jews to vote Republican for a change. - Change is good right?

OBAMA / FATAH
both have 5 letters
and both were born muslims

re: #31 trigger girlie

Is it bad to wish that someone wears an explosive belt?

Yes. You know how much we all think of you, and you might want to request a deletion. I think it would be well-received.

re: #81 really grumpy big dog Johnson

Whatever committee came up with the Barackidential Seal. Like all fascists, they're awfully good at this sort of thing.

re: #10 Last Mohican

Why is this such a bad move for him politically?

Fatah, as the more moderate of the two most powerful terrorist groups in the region, is somehow seen as Israel's Partner in Peace.™ If Obama's trying to paint himself as the great uniter, the best hope for Israeli-Palestinian peace, why not go and pose for a few pictures with them, and pretend that he offers some potential for a breakthrough?

No breakthrough. The Palestinians don't want peace. They want
Irsael.......gone, period. They speak of peace .....but just another lie.

Partisan differences are more significant on the question of what the U.S. should do if Iran attacks Israel. By a 70% to 12% margin, Republicans say the U.S. should respond militarily if Israel is attacked. Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats oppose a military response while 30% support it. Unaffiliated voters are evenly divided.

re: #1 realwest

Just another example of how it is that Obama just doesn't get it - or maybe how he does get it.
Either way, it's a VERY BAD idea for Obama, morally and I strongly think politically as well.

No problem. Jews will vote for Obama no matter what. They "traditionally" vote for Democrats. Brain is not involved.

Funny from Scappleface:

"While the Bush administration has tried to get allies to unite in applying pressure on Iran to halt its nuclear program, Sen. Obama said he would bring change to American foreign policy by trying to get U.S. allies to unite in applying pressure on Iran to halt its nuclear program.

“It’s a lot different than the Bush approach,” he said, “because in my strategy, there is no Bush.”

re: #31 trigger girlie

Is it bad to wish that someone wears an explosive belt?

YES! Naughty! Downding!

I'm sure many of you are already familiar with (iranian exile) Amir Taheri. And here is his column from today that deals with obama's latest position on Iraq.

[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Good stuff as usual ...

re: #60 jcobble

... I expect that after loosing two countries and having their butts kicked all over the place they wanted no more of Bush. ...

That's as succinct and accurate a description of the reason the ME, Europe and the Libs hate Bush as I've ever come across. Nice one jcobble :)

Jews will vote for Obama no matter what. They "traditionally" vote for Democrats.

Not 100%, obviously. The more religious, the more politically conservative.

Maybe Obama can set up some consulting business for William Ayers and his terrorist wife with the Palis.

William Ayers + Bernadine Dohrn Terror Consulting Services

They can donate a portion of the proceeds to Obama's campaign.

My daughter is installing security systems this summer in south Boston. She called us at dusk yesterday to say that she had locked her keys in her car and was waiting for another tech to bring her the spares. She was in a very bad neighborhood. She had just finished an installation where people were passed out on the floor in the house, and it look like lots of stolen items stacked up everywhere.

So we stayed on the phone with her for 10 minutes until her keys arrived.

She said that two of the people were playing backgammon, when the guy exclaimed: "I was behind the wall for 6 years, I think I know how to play the game."

Wow - Obama is the first black Bill Clinton.

Our daughter says that they get lots of security installation orders at the Projects and the salesmen love it because everyone is home.

If Arafat were still alive- Obama would be glad-handing him too - just like Clinton and Carter did. (to what end?) It's just what the democrat eternal victim mongers do.

Hope and change!

How ironic that the Palestinians are trying to meddle in an American election, when they themselves have no political process worth talking about.

If the Palestinians would take the same kind of interest in THEIR OWN GOV'T that they do in America's they'd actually have a State right now.

Did somebody say Jimmy Carter?

re: #81 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Someone from the Iranian Revolutionary Army's Public Affairs Division, if they're not photoshopping. Or , if they're busy, any AP or AFP stringer.

Maybe he will bring each of his daughters a keffiyeh as a souvenir.

The REAL reason for this meeting: Obama's trying to acquire threads matching those cool outfits depicted on the fashion page of the New Yorker magazine for himself and Michelle! And let's face it! Fatah has virtually cornered the market in Revolutionary Chic!

re: #82 Cartmanlmao

re: #114 FrogMarch

Wow - Obama is the first black Bill Clinton.

He's kindof a Clinton/Carter, rolled into one spruced up package.

Utterly Detestable.

One word comes to mind from eight years ago when George W. was in Barak N.M.N (No Middle Name) Obama's position running for president.
"Gravitas"

Obama completely lacks it.
Please can we revoke his passport and citizenship and proclaim him
persona-non-grata. (in govspeak PING Him)
I'm sure Hamas will grant him a position as undersecretary of something.

ZerObama!

re: #118 FrogMarch

Did somebody say Jimmy Carter?

lmao, those cartoons are great in general, but that's one of the best.

Obama meeting Fatah (opposition party?) is equivalent to going to Columbia and meet with FARC. On every scale, it is just plain wrong.

But for someone inspired to become Jimmah II, it is inevitable (and so natural) for him to 'evolve' into.

None of this means a fecking thing. Olmert and his ilk are still damned idiots, and Fatah, Hamas, and pretty much the rest of the Palestinians still want to see Israel destroyed. A vist from the Obamination changes nothing.

Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Will he lay a wreath at Arafat's (may his name be ereased) tomb like his hero Jimmy the Christ?

What a gift to McCain--all those pictures of Palestinians cheering Obama on! He ought to lose a good five points in the polls for this one.

How long will it take him to regret this?

I don't see Obama's let's love them and hold hands kumbaya as an effective panacea to the cauldron known as the middle east. As someone who has left Islam, Obama is considered an apostate to the lunatic fringe(there seems to be a very large fringe element) Islamic community and someone who could be put to death as a result of his conversion to Christianity according to the "religion of peace" He will only antagonize the hardliners further.

To save the cost of postage, he should stop off at the State Dept and Rice can give him the aid check that he can deliver personally.

If he does meet with Fatah, I am hopeful that at least there will be some good video footage the Republicans can use during the campaign.

I am worried about the election. Many things favor the Dems (faltering economy, to name only one). I hope that Obama will screw things up. It looks like he's on track, but things that look like major faux pas to LGF readers are barely speed bumps to many other voters.

I am curious to see how much of the Jewish-American vote Obama will get. I think it will still be overwhelmingly in favor of the Dems, but he will get less than, say, Clinton in '92. My question is, how much less, and will it make a difference?

Did anybody else notice how well off these Gazans look? I thought they were all poverty stricken, homeless folks with no electricity, computers, or anything of the sort!