FU Buchanan!

Oh, yeah! The JOOOOOOOOOOS are charging us through the wazoo for all of their oil!

/sarcasm

And I'm about ready to ditch Human Events for the same reason.

What in the world is with Townhall?! This is just bizarre hate-spewing. Way to marginalize your product, guys.

I don't understand why people appeal to Buchanan.

I always thought Sunoco and Amoco sounded more like Italian names than Jewish.

/air head

Who hasn't been blamed for oil prices? It's the 'in' thing right now.

I go to Capitalism Magazine for my Sowell and Williams editorials instead.

[Link: www.capmag.com...]

re: #7 bosforus

Who hasn't been blamed for oil prices? It's the 'in' thing right now.

Democrats.

When I saw that Onion parody of seeking a candidate with an evil soul, I thought of Buchanan's run for President.

Rationally, I know that Buchanan gets this attention because he has buddies in the media, and maybe 'cause they think he's quaint and all.

Viscerally, I simply do not understand why people are willing to let him voice his patently foolish racist garbage.

re: #9 The Other Les

Except by the right wing.

re: #3 Macker

And I'm about ready to ditch Human Events for the same reason.

I have ditched Human Events, for their support of Buchanan and their connections to the Discovery Institute.

Wow, he starts off sounding almost rational, the 'mullahs' this and 'Iran' that...

Then in the last three sentences, he just lets his anti-Israel/Jewish/semitic venom rip.

Disgusting. He doesn't even try and hide it any more.

Buchanan should travel to Gaza. And stay there.

So what do the comments for his articles lately look like? I don't usually bother checking out comments for articles elsewhere.

He's sounding more like Ron Paul every day.

Last week I sent Townhall an email informing them that I would stop reading anything at Townhall until they stopped publishing the Nazi sympathizer Patrick Buchanan.

I would suggest that others do the same.

Hannity & Colmes have him on constantly. Fox News adores the SOB.

re: #7 bosforus

Who hasn't been blamed for oil prices? It's the 'in' thing right now.

I blame rock-n-roll. These kids today, with their gyrating hips and loud music.

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Oh William F. Buckley, where art thou to curse out this demon we have in Pitchfork Pat Buchanan?

/sigh.

Blaming Jews for any problem that exists... Surefire approach with certain audiences. What those audiences are is left as an exercise to the reader. The worthiness and decency of such groups are left as an exercise in plumbing stinky depths.

re: #19 Uncle Joe

Hannity & Colmes have him on constantly. Fox News adores the SOB.

Yet another reason why FNC has been circling the bowl. Time to give them a flush and let them join the ranks of the MSM.

Fox is down to Brit Hume and Cavuto.... after that I watch nick toons, at least my IQ value is raised then.

I have a freind who's father is a dead ringer for Pat Buchanan...He's a nice fellow too, each time I see him I feel bad for wanting to punch him in the nose.

Israel is a fifth column?

re: #14 gop_patriot

Disgusting. He doesn't even try and hide it any more.

Did he ever?

re: #20 Silhouette

HA! That's funny.

Darn Elvis. Just ruined the entire planet.

re: #11 transient

Rationally, I know that Buchanan gets this attention because he has buddies in the media, and maybe 'cause they think he's quaint and all.

Viscerally, I simply do not understand why people are willing to let him voice his patently foolish racist garbage.

I think they're giving him all this attention b/c he's a "conservative" who sounds like a raving mad leftist half the time. It's a way for the MSM to claim they gave "equal time."

re: #25 Sharku

Fox is down to Brit Hume and Cavuto.... after that I watch nick toons, at least my IQ value is raised then.

Agreed. Shep jumped the shark during Katrina, and Geraldo is as unwatchable as MSNBC.

Back the bus up, we didn't get 'em on the first pass.

re: #20 Silhouette

I blame rock-n-roll. These kids today, with their gyrating hips and loud music.

I don't care what the people say - rock 'n roll is here to stay!

Pat Buchanan, please, shut the fuck up!

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Link is going to default page

Fixed now.

re: #33 bosforus

I don't care what the people say - rock 'n roll is here to stay!

Any outlet that gives this man a platform to air his nonsense instantly loses credibility with me.

There are greater political minds out there, why bother with this buffoon?

It's interesting, because high gas prices are, to one degree or another, the fault of the Democrats/Enviro lobby. Rather than lay the blame where it belongs, Buchannan wants to blame the Jews.

Typical of a true anti-Semite. This is no mistake, or misunderstanding. Pat Buchannan is a true and unashamed anti-Semite. He should be shunned by all Conservatives and Republicans, everywhere.

re: #30 harrylook

I think they're giving him all this attention b/c he's a "conservative" who sounds like a raving mad leftist half the time. It's a way for the MSM to claim they gave "equal time."

Yeah, but that doesn't excuse townhall. Either they copied Obama and fired their editor, or someone over there has some screws loose regarding conservative ideas.

Patrick J. Buchanan, The man's off his meds!

re: #28 Lizard by the Bay

Did he ever?

Maybe not, I don't know! I remember hearing him when I was younger, back in the Reagan days... he sounded rational to me, but then, it was mostly sound bites, etc. I was in high school, maybe a Fresh. in college- and I wasn't exactly doing any in-depth political research.

Did he talk like this when he was a Reagan adviser?

Typical of Puchanan to ignore facts. Like that the US has all but strangled domestic production for the last 30+ years. No new refineries or offshore drilling bans that limit production. NIMBY that prevents building new refineries, that is if they can run the gauntlet of bureaucracy and red tape. And forget about nuclear or other energy sources, since NIMBY and eco-nuts have made it increasingly difficult to build power plants around the country of any kind.

The high prices do factor in instability in the ME, but the region has always been unstable. Iran's current machinations for nuclear weapons has a wee bit to do with the price, as do the oil barons in the ME who want to keep the price artificially high.

Democrats and Leftists also want the high prices to use against the GOP and Bush (memo - he's not running again), to increase their chances of winning elections - all to secure more power for them, and to further restrict the rights of citizens. After all, this too goes hand in hand with the global warming crowd, who wants zero growth and to tax the heck out of those who produce stuff for a living so that it can be transferred to those who seek hand outs.

Buchanan is a scumball.

I have a job for Pat, if he dares to take it. He should be Barack Obama's running mate. It's a damn near perfect fit of anti-semitism, anti-Americanism, and sheer lunacy.

re: #30 harrylook

I think they're giving him all this attention b/c he's a "conservative" who sounds like a raving mad leftist half the time. It's a way for the MSM to claim they gave "equal time."

I guess that would be similar to the way that NPR, when they are forced to include an Israeli opinion for "fairness," uses people so far to the left they might as well be Palestinian.

PJB, get a clue.

A State of War has existed between the United States of America and Iran since Nov. 4. 1979.

Only one side seems to know this.

AND IT AIN'T US!

Bay Buchanan his sister ought to take her brother aside and tell him to shut up and stay away from the microphones for the love of their country & humanity.

Take a vow of silence Pat. Get thee to a monastery. Wash thine mouth out with soap.

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

I have a job for Pat, if he dares to take it. He should be Barack Obama's running mate. It's a damn near perfect fit of anti-semitism, anti-Americanism, and sheer lunacy.

Too perfect. He should never be that close to being POTUS, ever, even on a losing ticket.

re: #13 Charles

DONE. Thank you!

What's the contact email for Townhall--where my opinion counts and I damn well want to give it to them--?

It was a shame to lose Bill Buckley for many reasons, not the least of which is that he kept this jerk marginalized.

Well, here's the dirty unsaid secret in all this. Probably alot of the hatred toward america in the middle east stems from the fact we don't let them just have another holocaust. And that hatred probably does cause the price of oil to go up at least a little.

But what's the alternative. Now it is true that there have been several genocides since we said never again at the end of WWII, but we are right to say, "no you are not completing hitler's work."

And if that decison makes the diffference betwee $3.00 and $4.00 gas... then i can live with that.

As for Town Hall, geez, i don't know. they seem to be doing us a service by giving the man repeated chances to beclown himself. I guess i am too much of a believer in open conversation to be mad at them.

Israel tested new Russian radar bought by Iran

During last month's exercise in which some 100 Israeli fighter jets flew 900 miles over the Mediterranean, Israel tested its ability to evade the new Russian S-300 radar that is being purchased by Iran. It was able to do so with the cooperation of the Greek government, in whose airspace it flew, and which owns the same radar the Iranians are buying.

It pays to have friends.

I really feel betrayed by this hateful clown. I'm really glad we're strong enough as conservatives to police ourselves and not make excuses for this creep unlike the libs.

re: #27 MandyManners

Israel is a fifth column?

Not implied. Not inferred. Unapologetic. As clear as day.

Classic anti Semitism in every "respectable" outlet that carries this Nazi.

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

I have a freind who's father is a dead ringer for Pat Buchanan...He's a nice fellow too, each time I see him I feel bad for wanting to punch him in the nose.

Your friend doesn't know this, does he?

re: #45 transient

Exactly. Or when Ineedadinnerjacket (who gets credit for coining this awesome nickname, btw?) says his conference isn't anti-semitic because the Neturei Karta attended.

30 seconds ago, I unsubscribed to Human Events for giving Buchanan a platform to spew his jew-hating bile.

The cheese slid off of his cracker a long time ago.

re: #37 Slumbering Behemoth

Any outlet that gives this man a platform to air his nonsense instantly loses credibility with me.

There are greater political minds out there, why bother with this buffoon?

* * *
Like equally repugnant democrat strategist Bob Beckel, Buchanan once worked for candidates & presidents, and also ran for office, so presumably was once considered up & coming.

We've seen how the once & future become yesterday's jokes.

What the hell is Buchanan's problem?

Slightly unimportant, he didn't even credit you, Charles:

Saturday's New York Times reported that that photo of the four Iranian missiles fired in salvo had been doctored.

re: #50 jemima

What's the contact email for Townhall--where my opinion counts and I damn well want to give it to them--?

Here.

re: #41 gop_patriot

Maybe not, I don't know! I remember hearing him when I was younger, back in the Reagan days... he sounded rational to me, but then, it was mostly sound bites, etc. I was in high school, maybe a Fresh. in college- and I wasn't exactly doing any in-depth political research.

Did he talk like this when he was a Reagan adviser?

* * *
Nixon speechwriter.

OT

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re: #56 Macker

Your friend doesn't know this, does he?

We've joked about it.

Buchanan's arguments and so-called 'proof' are specious at best. His use of the now MUCH discredited intelligence briefing (discredited by our OWN intelligence community BTW) speaks volumes in regards to Buchanan's willingness to use any means necessary in order to move his 'agenda' forward.

Who does he think he's fooling?

And what IS that agenda? I don't really know but I DO know this, as time goes by, Mr Buchanan reveals more and more of himself and the more we see the more proof we have that the man is an anti-Semitic bigot who's living in a total dream world..

I think he needs to get back on his meds...

re: #50 jemima

What's the contact email for Townhall--where my opinion counts and I damn well want to give it to them--?

[Link: www.townhall.com...]

re: #4 kynna

What in the world is with Townhall?! This is just bizarre hate-spewing. Way to marginalize your product, guys.

And they want people to subscribe to their magazine? No WAY!

re: #26 Ringo the Gringo

I have a freind who's father is a dead ringer for Pat Buchanan...He's a nice fellow too, each time I see him I feel bad for wanting to punch him in the nose.

re: #23 ORD neighbor

Blaming Jews for any problem that exists... Surefire approach with certain audiences....

I too am shocked at how many times I discuss politics with (what I imagine to be) nice, sensible, sane, logical, well-educated Republican friends and neighbors, I discover that, when it comes down to it, they eventually confide that they blame almost every ill on the planet on our Middle East policy and support for Israel.

re: #60 Fat Jolly Penguin

What the hell is Buchanan's problem?

Slightly unimportant, he didn't even credit you, Charles:

Yeah, somehow I just don't see that happening.

Can we blame Obama on the Jews? I wouldn't mind blaming anything and everything on the Jews if it ever made any difference at all to improve even one problem - but it never has and never will, because the Jews aren't living in the world to create problems, they're trying to alleviate human suffering.

If the Jews were all powerful wouldn't they be living in a wholly Jewish middle east?

Buchanan has jumped the shark, the great white shark and the megaladon shark.

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

WOW! Well said, well said. I think you've nailed this totally! Well done! -tm

*slight pause as everyone dashes to Townhall.com to write e-mails*

#61

Thanks! I feel much better now!

Why send traffic their way? Treat them as if they are a Neo-Nazi site, which they are as long as they publish this Nazi sympathizer.

re: #71 DistantThunder

I'm Jewish and I'm STILL waiting for my 'World Dominance' check damit! Is there someplace, maybe in NYc, that I have to register or something?

One of the posters there has a link to Lew Rockwell's site in his comment. Idiot.

re: #76 Tazzerman

I'm Jewish and I'm STILL waiting for my 'World Dominance' check damit! Is there someplace, maybe in NYc, that I have to register or something?

Email me and I will send you the secret password.

;)

Had to read this carefully to get it, but it's there.

The greatest problem for Patty is that he assumes that the Israelis are just a bunch of blood-thirsty goons bent on destroying Iran. There is nothing in history to suggest that. If Israel didn't think Iran was a threat, they would be more focused on Syria, or the West Bank, Gaza, or some other issue. It isn't like they don't have other issues.

Sure, tension in the Middle East impacts oil prices. But the cause of the tension isn't going to be Israel just for tension-sake...it is because there is a genuine threat to Israel, on some level, and Patty can't see that.

I guess he thinks Israel has to wait until Tel Aviv has a 3 million degree wake up call?

Then Patty will write a book about how Iran really never wanted to nuke Israel.

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

Think me naive, but once I had the opinion that anti Semitism was the result of ignorance and conditioned behavior.

Almost excusable in a strange way.

I have for some time now become convinced that you are absolutely correct and it is a form of delusions and mental illness.

re: #51 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I just signed on, and you read my mind.

Why does it seem, no sooner than Buckley's passing, these clowns have come to know a resurgence?

re: #79 brainwizard73

No, he'll write that Israel had it coming.

I've already written Hugh Hewitt about one of Buchanan's earlier columns, and received no reply. Screw Townhall.

I just don't understand Townhall. They HAVE to have known ahead of time what a mofo Anti-Semite Buchanan is, and they go ahead and publish him as if he were actually respected by anyone with any intelligence.
WTF's wrong with them?

aren't the people around him getting sick of his smelly bullshit?
this is how these haters grow their agenda. no one speaks up against them.
sean hannity should stop back slapping and guff hawing w/ this nazi.
buchanan should not be given public forums to ply his anti semitism.

Oh God. Here we go again. The world-wide Jewish/Zionist conspiracy. Goodness, this is a people that can't even decide among themselves what to do with the Palestinians , or where to eat dinner. How in the name of the Wide World of Sports can anyone think they could formulate such a massive conspiracy.

Unless, of course, someone wants to engage in a little blame-shifting.

re: #47 alegrias

Bay Buchanan his sister ought to take her brother aside and tell him to shut up and stay away from the microphones for the love of their country & humanity.

As I recall, sister is worse.

re: #62 alegrias

* * *
Nixon speechwriter.

Yes, and he worked with Ford, too. And of course, Reagan. I don't recall that they were anti-semitic..?!?

Are you saying that Buchanan spoke in this manner during the time that he wrote speeches for Nixon? Seriously, I was asking if those who were old enough at the time to remember, actually remember him being anti-semitic out loud and in public back then..? It just seems to me that he hid it for a long time, and now is unashamedly and blatantly out front about it.

I think you're on to something. If I convert will I get a discount world dominance check? :-)

Buchanan has always made me uncomfortable. A few years ago I put him on my "just ignore him" list...but of course the danger is while we try to ignore him he's off doing real damage.

Please note that the same "news sources" that promote creationism and "intelligent design" (Townhall and Human Events) are also publishing Pat Buchanan's garbage.

re: #82 lawhawk

Or he will blame America for supporting Israel, which gave Israel "false confidence" and started nuclear horrors of unspeakable destruction.

Too bad George Bush will be out of office...or he could blame Bush, too.

Pat is a Paleocon and is expressing views that are common to many Paleocons. That is why he is kept on at Townhall. I totally disagree with that brand of conservatism but it does exist.

John & Cindy McCain hosted AIPAC at their Arizona ranch.

McCain is a strong defender of Israel, as you may recall he & Joe Lieberman stand strong by our ally in that unfriendly neighborhood.

Let's just say OPEC is not McCain's friend, but AIPAC is.

re: #84 realwest

I just don't understand Townhall. They HAVE to have known ahead of time what a mofo Anti-Semite Buchanan is, and they go ahead and publish him as if he were actually respected by anyone with any intelligence.
WTF's wrong with them?

Either they are in agreement with the man or they don't care about his positions. Looks like they want to kill off the Republican party so the Dems are the only survivor.

re: #16 nikis-knight

So what do the comments for his articles lately look like? I don't usually bother checking out comments for articles elsewhere.

I read through the comments. Except for the higher degree of literacy and the absence of vulgar language, I dare say you will find about half of them to be indistinguishable from the comments at DU or Kos.

A major meme is "Bush lied, people died" because of hysteria over WMD programs in Iraq and that history is repeating itself.

There are the usual calls for a draft (w/ no college deferments) as justified by Charles Rangel, i.e. as a way to discourage military action.

Condoleeza Rice is portrayed as a war-monger blindly supporting defense of an "ally" (at least most do use that term) at the expense of US interests (which kinda contradicts the "ally" thing!)

Then there are the usual protests that being against Israeli policy is not being anti-semitic. No attempt to draw a line or examine this (a la Buckley) though.

re: #27 MandyManners

So far as Buchanan is concerned, Israel has a fifth column.

Disgusting.

Very few outlets are willing to print Buchanan's antisemitic trash. Townhall, Conservative Voice, the the White Nationalist site VDare

OT,

AFP photo editors strike again!

Heh.

LIZARDS!

Can I make a suggestion? Instead of just complaining, why don't we try to get the ball started on a grass roots e-mail campaign, questioning TownHall's judgement in giving this POS Jew-hater a platform on an otherwise respectable, Conservative news source?

THE CONTACT FORM IS HERE:

Please be polite, and explain why you have a problem with Buchanan's continued presence on the site and briefly describe your concerns.

re: #90 Charles

Parlays into my OT question yesterday about the foreign investment in American companies.

Triangulation.

Catchy names like Holy Land Foundation.

Israel and its Fifth Column in this city seek to stampede us into war with Iran. Bush should rebuff them, and the American people should tell their congressmen: You vote for 362, we don't vote for you.

That statement makes me want to puke.

re: #90 Charles

It feels like we've entered the Twilight zone this election cycle. Terrible things coming out of the woodwork.

re: #61 Ringo the Gringo

Here.

Done.

Thanks, Ringo -

re: #92 snowcrash

Pat is a Paleocon and is expressing views that are common to many Paleocons. That is why he is kept on at Townhall. I totally disagree with that brand of conservatism but it does exist.

Give Fascism a new name and it becomes a respectable movement?

re: #92 snowcrash

Pat is a Paleocon and is expressing views that are common to many Paleocons. That is why he is kept on at Townhall. I totally disagree with that brand of conservatism but it does exist.

I think I agree more with Jonah Goldberg and consider Buchanan to be a populist. He makes appeals to the people, and his writings (scribble?) and TV appearances are a part of that. I find it most interesting that Goldberg devotes an entire chapter of Liberal Fascism to Buchanan.

I'd always considered townhall.com a decent source of conservative opinion, but always cringed when a new Buchanan column went up. That asshat does nothing but hurt the reputation and credibility of all conservatives with his lunatic ranting.

While I firmly believe in freedom of speech (including unpopular, offensive speech), I also believe in the right and freedom of a publisher to cease carrying a contributor because his views are anathema to their overall philosophy.

I hope the feedback from lizardoids and other conservative voices can convince townhall that keeping Buchanan around is destructive to their own credibility and to the conservative movement as a whole.

Heh.

RINGO you bastoid! Ya beat me to it.

re: #90 Charles

Please note that the same "news sources" that promote creationism and "intelligent design" (Townhall and Human Events) are also publishing Pat Buchanan's garbage.

Starting to think HE should change the name to Aryan Events and Townhall to Stalag.

re: #99 WriterMom

Already done.

re: #52 A.W.

You need to rewrite that - I can't figure out what you're saying, and I read it three times.

BuchananThink: Arabs pump oil. Arabs hate Jooos. Therefore Arabs are raising oil prices to get even with Jooos. High oil prices all are fault of Jooos. QED.

re: #80 Opinionated

Can't agree totally. Antisemitism is like any form of bigotry; its roots are in fear of the strange and ignorance/suspicion of another group--especially when that group does not want to assimilate.

What Paddy is talking about is akin to mental illness. Some people have to look for someone to blame when events are so huge and important that they could not have simply resulted from a series of random acts and coincidences. Look at everyone who are absolutely convinced that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK (sorry-one guy, three shots, game over) or the FDR deliberately sacrificed the Pacific Fleet. The delusion is that something so monstrous had to be the result of deliberate planning, despite all evidence to the contrary.

re: #41 gop_patriot

re: #41 gop_patriot

Did he talk like this when he was a Reagan adviser?

Not about Israel. I don't remember where, but sometime after his famous "Israel's Amen corner" comment in the lead up to the first Gulf War, he admitted that back then he was a big supporter of Menachem Begin. I can't say I remember everything from those days, but I'm pretty certain that he even wrote an op-ed during the Lebanon War that was very supportive of Israel. (I just checked archives and can't find said op-ed; so maybe I confused him with someone else.)

Even before the Gulf War he showed an unhealthy attachment to Nazis, defending the likes of Dejmanjuk.

And Buchanan did serve in both the Nixon and Reagan White Houses, so one would assume he was a little more balanced then.

re: #104 Opinionated

Give Fascism a new name and it becomes a respectable movement?

See my #105. Goldberg even devotes an entire chapter of Liberal Fascism to Buchanan.

re: #98 Dar ul Harb

OT,

AFP photo editors strike again!

Heh.

The trees look too green and non-tropical, and the soldiers don't appear to be wearing desert camo.

before I read all comments.

what is the WASP word for "putz"

This is why Jews drift over to the left.

President Nixon supported Israel against her enemies in 1973, when we helped Israel defeat her neighbors arrayed against her.

Presumably in 1973 Buchanan was rooting for our side and our allies back in the day, while he worked in the White House.

re: #88 gop_patriot

Yes, and he worked with Ford, too. And of course, Reagan. I don't recall that they were anti-semitic..?!?

Are you saying that Buchanan spoke in this manner during the time that he wrote speeches for Nixon? Seriously, I was asking if those who were old enough at the time to remember, actually remember him being anti-semitic out loud and in public back then..? It just seems to me that he hid it for a long time, and now is unashamedly and blatantly out front about it.

I don't recall the details, but it's been no secret for a long time, when buchanan ran for pres in 2000 the "surprise" was that he had it in for blacks, too. I believe Hunter S. Thompson wrote even in 1972 (?), in Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail, about the kink in a blood vessel in buchanan's brain that sets off these attacks. Or else, I borrowed the metaphor from HST twenty years ago to apply to buchanan myself.

He just seems out front about it now.

In fact, John McLaughlin is only barely better about it now, in regards to Iraq and the Palestinians. I would not be surprised if Buchanan had discussed this with Mclauglin, before spewing it. I do think Mclaughlin is still sane enough, to attempt to hide it.

I'm beginning to think that this sort of creeping anti-semitism is now slowly getting more visible/audible, more acceptable, if you will, not because slobs like PB are getting tehir stuff printed but because people who have kept their mouths shut before are now thinking it is ok to do like PB, and speak out.

I have the feeling this might be because they think that in a World of raging islam its better to be seen to be on their, the jihadists', side - a bit like Germany after WWII in reverse: then, nobody was a Nazi or, God forbid, and anti-semite, and nobody knew anything about anything.
Now they side with what they think is the 'winning' side, the muslims, and now they are anti-semites, jsut like them, and have always been like that, ok, yah, please don't kill us ...

Thats how it starts to look like, to me. Its not just happening in the USA, its happening in Europe as well.
I cannot believe that it took only 60 years after the birth of Israel, and 65 after the holocaust, to rear its ugly head again.

re: #116 Eowyn2

before I read all comments.

what is the WASP word for "putz"

schmuck, loser, turd, asshat, etc.

re: #116 Eowyn2

The affectionate form of the name "Richard"

re: #105 Honorary Yooper

I think I agree more with Jonah Goldberg and consider Buchanan to be a populist. He makes appeals to the people, and his writings (scribble?) and TV appearances are a part of that. I find it most interesting that Goldberg devotes an entire chapter of Liberal Fascism to Buchanan.

Populist. I shudder to think what would happen if Buchanan's ideas were truly popular. If the US made decisions based on what was good for Israel, Israel would extend to Damascus.

re: #116 Eowyn2

before I read all comments.

what is the WASP word for "putz"

Idiot?

re: #98 Dar ul Harb

OT,

AFP photo editors strike again!

Heh.

Actually, the red attachment is a BFA, blank fire adapter, allowing a blank to generate enough gas pressure to cycle thru the firing process and has nothing to do with MILES gear. It can be used at any time. The little black device and some of the other gear attached to the rifle and worn by the soldier is part of miles gear though.

re: #68 buzzsawmonkey

Pat Buchanan hates Jews, and hates the fact that Israel exists.

He will do what he can to erode American relations with Israel, and he is working very, very hard to delegitimize World War II and the Allied defeat of Hitler.

In this, he is working for the Left and the Islamists and doing his best to ensure that Israel will be destroyed--a goal that the putatively right-wing Buchanan shares with the Left and the Islamists.

The Left still reflexively celebrates WWII, but that war has always been a major obstacle to the Left's endorsement of pacifism and disarmament. Celebrating the defeat of the fascist regimes of Hitler and Mussolini has also supported resistance to the Islamic fascism currently threatening America and the West from within and without.

Buchanan, with his revisionist "history" of WWII, does the Left and the Islamofascists the service of delegitimizing the Allied effort in that war. Falsely claiming that Hitler did not want war, but was forced into it by the Allies, Buchanan turns blame back on the West and the US, where the Left and the Islamists long to place it. Lying about the Final Solution, and claiming that it was "only a late response" to the war that had been forced on Germany, Buchanan achieves the feat of indirectly engaging in Holocaust denial, in a manner that is more difficult than usual to call him on.

Buchanan thus serves the Left which would like to see this nation passive and disarmed, and convinced that armed force is never justified. Despite his ties to European neo-fascists, Buchanan serves the Islamists who those neo-fascists allegedly oppose.

Why would Buchanan do these things? Hasn't he, in prior decades, shown that he is at least a patriot? The answer lies in Buchanan's hatred of Jews and of the existence of Israel. Just as Hitler, whom Buchanan now seeks to whitewash, undermined his own war effort in the interest of killing more Jews, Buchanan would bring down the United States and hand it over to the Left or the Islamists rather than see the US relationship with Israel (and Israel itself) survive.

Buchanan appears to be a living proof that antisemitism is a progressive mental disease whose progression resembles the descent into dementia common in syphilis victims prior to the advent of antibiotics.

And once again we bow to the wisdom of our very own, very articulate, and incomparable, buzzsawmonkey.

)))))))/bowing

re: #119 itellu3times

Thank you. :) I'm learning...

re: #118 alegrias

You know, it could be he (like a few old USN guys I know) bear a grudge over the sinking of the USS Liberty by the Israeli Air Force.

Holy shitzky.

A MENTALLY DERANGED colleague just came into my office practically sobbing about the Omar Khadr tapes, and how BAD they are, and how SAD it is...I felt like saying UHHHH HELLLLO, do you know who you are talking to, you idjit?

PBJ,

Quick question, since I'm too dense to understand your finely nuanced points.

What did Israel have to do with:
The Embassy Invasion of Nov. 4, '79.
The Marine Barracks and Embassy bombings in Lebanon '83.
The Kuwait Embassy Bombing in '83.
The Lebanon kidnappings.
Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut in '84.
Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 in '85.
............

re: #83 Ward Cleaver

Ditto. The last time Buchanan spewed his venom, I wrote to Hewitt, FoxNews, and Hannity to no avail. They are blatantly ignoring the problem with Buchanan.

Stay classy.

Does Pat simply not worry about Islamofascism or does he merely hope that the crocodile will really eat the appeasers last?

Boochanan!

re: #116 Eowyn2

before I read all comments.

what is the WASP word for "putz"

Dick.

re: #112 calcajun

Can't agree totally. Antisemitism is like any form of bigotry; its roots are in fear of the strange and ignorance/suspicion of another group--especially when that group does not want to assimilate.

That's the thing. And why I have changed my mind. What you wrote is no longer valid.

In the information age nothing is strange. The cliches are obviously not true to anyone who sees.

Go and read some of the virulent anti Semitic sites and you will see that the hatred of Jews, supported by manufactured facts, are not about ignorance or suspicion. They are the deliberate works of people with an obsession that would easily be classified as mental illness.

re: #132 lawhawk

Hannity and him are best buddies.

That dude has some questionable friends (Hannity that is). I also have been reading how much stuff he rips off from Debbie Schleussel-and that is just tacky.

re: #30 harrylook

I think they're giving him all this attention b/c he's a "conservative" who sounds like a raving mad leftist half the time. It's a way for the MSM to claim they gave "equal time."

you have a point. they wouldnt want to give a rational point of view because conservatives cant be rational.

Reminds me of all the interviews that people have done on the abortion/anti abortion issue. Pro-Choice is always a dignified female of indeterminate years and preferrable, non-white. Pro-Life is always a white male age 30-50.

re: #130 WriterMom

I suspect this is the Gitmo stuff on Drudge?

re: #88 gop_patriot

The chief unifying issue on the right in those days was the fight against Communism and the USSR. Buchanan was a staunch Cold Warrior.
Israel was allied w/ the US and the Palis were allied w/ the USSR. As long as that situation remained, Buchanan navigated w/in the outlines of mainstream conservative thought.
His derailment came after the Cold War, when his antipathy toward Israel and latent anti-semitism were no longer checked by Cold War interests.

(The fact that we are still in a fight against totalitarianism and Israel is still our ally in that fight seems to have escaped him.)

re: #131 jcm

What did Israel have to do with:
The Embassy Invasion of Nov. 4, '79.
The Marine Barracks and Embassy bombings in Lebanon '83.
The Kuwait Embassy Bombing in '83.
The Lebanon kidnappings.
Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut in '84.
Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 in '85.

They exist.

I blame Boochanan for dementia.

re: #130 WriterMom

Holy shitzky.

A MENTALLY DERANGED colleague just came into my office practically sobbing about the Omar Khadr tapes, and how BAD they are, and how SAD it is...I felt like saying UHHHH HELLLLO, do you know who you are talking to, you idjit?

Why didn't you say it?

re: #89 Silas Blex

I'm not sure about converts. Of course, first we'd have to circumcise ya, THEN we can start talking paychecks. :)-tm

re: #117 Racer X,

When were the Jews ever right? Besides, anti-Semitism is very much a part of Leftist belief. This is more of an example of Buchanan drifting Left, inasmuch as he now agrees with Queers for Palestine more than he does me.

re: #115 Ward Cleaver

The trees look too green and non-tropical, and the soldiers don't appear to be wearing desert camo.

The one on the hood has a MILES vest on also.

re: #91 brainwizard73

Or he will blame America for supporting Israel, which gave Israel "false confidence" and started nuclear horrors of unspeakable destruction.

Too bad George Bush will be out of office...or he could blame Bush, too.

He has. Repeatedly.

re: #112 calcajun

Anti-semitism is a unique form of hatred that poisons minds and souls. It has nothing to do with Jews wanting to assimilate-that's preposterous. It has nothing to do with the Jews either, it has to do with a deep seated hatred and jealousy of the Jewish people which can be propelled by religious, philosophical, economic or political fuel.

re: #140 wolfie

That was very clear, thank you. :)

re: #132 lawhawk

Ditto. The last time Buchanan spewed his venom, I wrote to Hewitt, FoxNews, and Hannity to no avail. They are blatantly ignoring the problem with Buchanan.

Stay classy.

I fear they are exploiting the problem with Buchanan. Despite the shtick, they'll sell their souls for ratings - i.e., their jobs.

re: #141 Racer X

They exist.

Ahh, thanks for clearing that up....
//

re: #98 Dar ul Harb

OT,

AFP photo editors strike again!

Heh.

I thought AFP reporters at least hung out in hotel bars drinking while their stringers got their stories for them.
This photo indicates they just mail it all in.

The way some conservative news outlets like Human Events and Townhall let this Nazi apologist Buchanan pollute their forums is positively nauseating. They give him a level of credibility he doesn't deserve as they damage their own, plus he gets a platform to spew his ignorant BS. Don't they realize the damage they do to the conservative cause by giving him a platform?

Sean Hannity, Townhall and Human Events, useful idiots for Pat The Nazi Apologist. Disgusting.

re: #118 alegrias

President Nixon supported Israel against her enemies in 1973, when we helped Israel defeat her neighbors arrayed against her.

Presumably in 1973 Buchanan was rooting for our side and our allies back in the day, while he worked in the White House.

It's odd that Buchanan and Carter ended up at the same vile place.

re: #143 MandyManners

I had to just think it unfortunately. Work and politics don't usually agree.

re: #136 Opinionated

That's the thing. And why I have changed my mind. What you wrote is no longer valid.

In the information age nothing is strange. The cliches are obviously not true to anyone who sees.

Go and read some of the virulent anti Semitic sites and you will see that the hatred of Jews, supported by manufactured facts, are not about ignorance or suspicion. They are the deliberate works of people with an obsession that would easily be classified as mental illness.

Antisemitism is not a mental illness.

re: #146 jcm

The one on the hood has a MILES vest on also.

Here is a BFA which is whats on the end of their weapons. You try and shoot live round with that on and you get a nice explosion in your face.

re: #139 formercorpsman

Yes, the Gitmo interrogations ("you don't care about meeeeeeee")

re: #136 Opinionated

I agree there are differences. But, there are still people I know who are, to put it charitably, "old south", who just don't like 'em, but would never advocate mass deportations, boxcars, and Zyklon B, like the people who run the sites you describe.

I think our difference is that you see it all as one group, while I see a difference. That's all.

re: #132 lawhawk

Ditto. The last time Buchanan spewed his venom, I wrote to Hewitt, FoxNews, and Hannity to no avail. They are blatantly ignoring the problem with Buchanan.

Stay classy.

Maybe they think they're trying to be the "big tent", but this is wrong.

re: #129 calcajun,

The Liberty didn't sink.

re: #136 Opinionated

One really minor quibble - I've run into a lot of ignorant young people who will, to my face, repeat the old canard about, "Well, the Jews have all the money."

The ignorance out there is astonishing.

re: #129 calcajun

You know, it could be he (like a few old USN guys I know) bear a grudge over the sinking of the USS Liberty by the Israeli Air Force.

* * *
Possible. However, in my book,

There is no excuse for siding with the people who used civilian planes to "sink" the US PENTAGON, both World Trade Center Towers, and a field in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.

There is no excuse for siding with expansionist totalitarians who declared war on us since oh, 1979 or Munich 1972.

There's no excuse for siding with people who've been killing Americans for years with impunity.

I don't know the details of the USS Liberty accident whenever that happened, but certainly we and our allies have had plenty of "friendly fire" accidents during the current war. It is a tragedy when we accidentally kill fellow allies.

This is why Jews drift over to the left.

I always wondered why they voted against their best interests.

re: #143 MandyManners

Grab that putz by the neck and bring up the Al Queda beheadings on You Tube and ask him how she/he feels then.

re: #154 debutaunt

It's a well know fact that Nixon hated the Jews. Any support he gave to Israel was purely pragmatic and caused more by his hatred of the Soviet Union than any love/friendship with Israel or Jews..

re: #158 WriterMom

I would love to comment on my opinion about your reaction, but you can read my mind.

re: #8 The Other Les

I go to Capitalism Magazine for my Sowell and Williams editorials instead.

[Link: www.capmag.com...]

Thanks for that link... I always enjoy Sowell and Williams (two of the reasons I started reading Townhall...). Finding a more reputable source for their writings makes my day.

re: #162 Dianna

One really minor quibble - I've run into a lot of ignorant young people who will, to my face, repeat the old canard about, "Well, the Jews have all the money."

The ignorance out there is astonishing.

And don't forget this one..."Jews are good in business."

If the Israelis are really leading us around by the nose, they aren't going anywhere fast with the Saudis pulling us in the opposite direction by the balls.....

re: #165 calcajun

I think that was directed toward my comment.

The colleague is a Muslim and very highly placed. An outburst like that would cost me my job.

re: #131 jcm

PBJ,

Quick question, since I'm too dense to understand your finely nuanced points.

What did Israel have to do with:
The Embassy Invasion of Nov. 4, '79.
The Marine Barracks and Embassy bombings in Lebanon '83.
The Kuwait Embassy Bombing in '83.
The Lebanon kidnappings.
Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut in '84.
Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 in '85.
............

Ya mean PJB?

Look, Israel is responsible for the Pali's tossing kazzam missiles at them everyday, and every day they show dar al-Islam that the west are a bunch of Christian crusader monkeys and dogs, and the Saudis spend billions a year making sure every good Moslem knows this, so what's your question again?

re: #146 jcm

The one on the hood has a MILES vest on also.

Yep, thems MILES gear, alright. Damn things never worked right when I was in basic.

FYI: The Liberty didn't sink. What happened was bad enough without that exaggeration.

re: #161 Iron Fist

My mistake. 34 dead and a couple of massive holes.

re: #174 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yep, thems MILES gear, alright. Damn things never worked right when I was in basic.

8 and a halfs years in the Marines and never used them

re: #169 So?

Yes, I've heard that one, too.

re: #172 WriterMom,

I suppose explaining to him that I think we should have nuked the Mohammedans until they surrendered is out of the question?

[Sigh]

re: #154 debutaunt

It's odd that Buchanan and Carter ended up at the same vile place.

* * *
It's a choice.
Despicable.
Anti-American.
Just Wrong.

re: #169 So?

And don't forget this one..."Jews are good in business."

Heh. I recall a Chris Rock (I think) routine about "positive stereotypes" & he said, "Boo-hoo! I wish someone would say 'I got me a n*gger accountant & business has been great!'"

re: #5 Kaitian868

I don't understand why people appeal to Buchanan.

He finds them tasty?

re: #130 WriterMom

Holy shitzky.

A MENTALLY DERANGED colleague just came into my office practically sobbing about the Omar Khadr tapes, and how BAD they are, and how SAD it is...I felt like saying UHHHH HELLLLO, do you know who you are talking to, you idjit?

They are bad, bad acting, and sad, sad they didn't shoot this little miscreant.

The bombing of the USS Liberty, by the way, was proven to be an accident:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And the ship did not sink.

sent my comment. told them I had been considering becoming a charter subscription member of their new mag..but now will not..get rid of PB and I may reconsider.

re: #164 kansas

I always wondered why they voted against their best interests.

That, and also because a large number of them truly believe in their heart of hearts, that if they are 'nice' to everybody - even those who tell them outright that they would exterminate them - their enemies will have a change of heart, and grow to love and know the Jews and Israel.

(this is the dynamic of my relatives =( academics and elites.)

re: #178 Dianna

Don't you know the joke about two Jews sitting on a bus just before the Second World War, in Europe? One of the older men is reading the newspaper-a Nazi party newspaper. The other man says 'why are you reading a Nazi newspaper-they hate us', and the first one says 'when I read our newspapers, I get depressed-when I read their newspapers I see how all powerful the Jews are'.

re: #186 runrabbitrun

That, and also because a large number of them truly believe in their heart of hearts, that if they are 'nice' to everybody - even those who tell them outright that they would exterminate them - their enemies will have a change of heart, and grow to love and know the Jews and Israel.

(this is the dynamic of my relatives =( academics and elites.)

Might ask how that's been working for them.

re: #172 WriterMom

Oh boy.

As well as lamenting the treatment of this captured shithead.

I must shut up.

re: #186 runrabbitrun

Are we related?

ROFL.

Fascists in Denver seek to oppress the masses

Denver police propose law to take pipes, chains out of protesters' hands

A draft law proposed by the Denver Police Department would ban the possession by protesters of materials such as weighted pipes and chains and items that can make urine and feces bombs.

Police say that such materials are potentially dangerous. The City Council Safety Committee will review the proposal July 23.

An earlier version also would have made it unlawful to possess bulletproof vests and gas masks.

re: #172 WriterMom

Then, if at all possible, tactfully engage him in what his faith allows and what it would take to dissuade the men and women of his faith from engaging in terror operations. If at all possible, mention that if his fellow Muslims had locked horns with the old USSR, or the Third Reich, they would have never received the comparatively good treatment that the present captives have received.

Meanwhile, Obama goes on thinking that the Iraq war distorts the US foreign policy.

Ignoring the war against the US by the Islamists for 30 years was a distortion. Fighting the war back and eliminating a threat to US national security, whose intentions for the region included the regular and repeated use of WMD, and whose leader Saddam Hussein engaged in ethnic cleansing and genocide on a wide scale, is not a distortion.

re: #159 calcajun

I agree there are differences. But, there are still people I know who are, to put it charitably, "old south", who just don't like 'em, but would never advocate mass deportations, boxcars, and Zyklon B, like the people who run the sites you describe.

I think our difference is that you see it all as one group, while I see a difference. That's all.

No. I think our difference are who we characterize as anti Semitic.

I'm not concerned with people- especially older people- who have a residual dislike of Jews for one reason or another. Even who given a choice would choose not to associate with Jews. People have intrinsic prejudices for all sorts of reasons and against all sorts of other people and we are all guilty in one form or another.

I am referring to the active anti Semites. The ones who see it as a calling to do harm to Jews. That calling- which Buchanan sees to answer regularly- is from a form mental illness. Buchanan is a hybrid. He is old enough to have been indoctrinated in the hatred but he is experienced and educated enough that if it were not for his illness he should have long ago been unindoctrinated.

Pat's antisemitism is not rooted in a specific even such as the Liberty incident. It's much more primal than that.

Dress it up anyway you like...but Pat's antisemitism is of the deicide/blood libel origin.

re: #148 WriterMom

Anti-semitism is a unique form of hatred that poisons minds and souls. It has nothing to do with Jews wanting to assimilate-that's preposterous. It has nothing to do with the Jews either, it has to do with a deep seated hatred and jealousy of the Jewish people which can be propelled by religious, philosophical, economic or political fuel.

And we need to add to this that it is an easy way out for people who cannot bear to analyse their own faults, mistakes, and errors, because blaming someone else is always easier.
We also need to add that people all over the world have had a couple of thousand years or so practice in blaming the Jews.

Now that Israel is trying to accomodate leftist 'world' opinion in what they do vis-a-vis the islamists encircling them, it is obvious to the anti-semites that the Jews can again be blamed for eveything.
And lets not forget that the Qur'an is so full of anti-semitism that it should be put on any index, in any civilised nation who is making laws against 'hate-speech' ...

re: #192 calcajun

Nice idea in theory, but I honestly believe that these people are all in cahoots with Allah et al, so there is no point in 'going there'. Plus, I don't think I would be able to shut my pie hole once I got started.

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

Recreate '68 Denver '08

Even if Hillary doesn't fight it to the floor, the Democratic Convention has all kinds of possibility for fun! I'm bringing popcorn!

re: #118 alegrias

President Nixon supported Israel against her enemies in 1973, when we helped Israel defeat her neighbors arrayed against her.

Presumably in 1973 Buchanan was rooting for our side and our allies back in the day, while he worked in the White House.

I would bet my last dollar that Pat opposed that move absolutely, and likely wasn't the only one. Nixon only sent aid after a direct personal appeal from Golda Meir, and he paid a political price for it, too. I remember that many, many people blamed him personally for the Arab Oil Embargo that followed.

re: #130 WriterMom

Oh cripes! I don't give a shite foe that whiney little turd wipe! Does the CBC have a tape showing the Khadr family celebrating at the Kandahar Al Qaeda compound on Sept 11th?

WTF is wrong with these leftist ijits!?!

As disgusting as Buchanan's antisemitism is his fast-and-loose relationship with inconvenient facts. His reliance on demagoguery is the first indicator that his ideology is false.

re: #184 Charles

True but the entire incident continues to be used by some in order to turn Americans away from Israel. There are those who still believe it was NOT an accident. (I'm not one of those mind you)

Buchanan sez:

Israel and its Fifth Column in this city seek to stampede us into war with Iran. Bush should rebuff them, and the American people should tell their congressmen: You vote for 362, we don't vote for you.

Nobody voted for YOU, Buchanan, or have you forgotten that?

Buchanan also seems painfully deluded about the threat of a nuclear armed Iran (or a non-nuclear one).

He is ignoring Khomeinist "Death to America" Iran's global sponsorship of terrorism through Hizb'Allah including the '83 Beirut attack and its arming soliders against the USA in Iraq.

Of course Israel is an obvious Iranian target, but its clearly not the only one. This is a GLOBAL concern, most definitely one of the USA, and not just Israel.

For example, the Saudis are also scared of the Iranians (and should be), and if they have a bomb, the Iranians could project power throughout the entire middle east, including all the oil supplies.

Is it just me or is that one very disjointed article? He is all over the place in it.

re: #184 Charles

I don't doubt it, but there are a few old navy hands I know who--no matter how hard you try to convince them--just won't accept the version that the IDF aircraft and PT boats mistook it for a "an unknown destroyer" or the Egyptian cargo ship "El Quseir". Honestly, the ship's silhouette looked nothing like a destroyer--no deck guns at all.

re: #158 WriterMom

Yes, the Gitmo interrogations ("you don't care about meeeeeeee")

Show them a couple of the jihadi snuff films and ask them if it was them, would they rather be sobbing, while dressed, fed, and medically cared for, OR have their heads cut off. Would they rather be a jihadi in the hands of Americans or an American in the hands of jihadis? And no excuses that start with, "Well, can you blame them for...." or "But we should have a higher standard..."

Show them the jihadi training manual that directs the terrorists to act as if they are being tortured no matter what.

/probably wasted information, like seeds sown on the rocky ground, but it might make YOU feel better

re: #196 yma o hyd

In Hebrew, there is a unique term for self-destructive, terror-loving Jews: Yefe Nefesh ('delightful or lovely souls'). Isn't that perfect. They are so nice and caring about our enemies and couldn't give a rat's ass about their own people. They donate clothes and food to them, take up their cases pro bono in Israel, go to their houses for dinner, stand at IDF barriers on their behalf.

Yefe Nefesh. Remember it-they are today's Kapos.

I am a Jew and I own oil. I currently have 1 bottle of extra virgin olive oil and a bottle of canola. I will sell them for $100 each. Pat Buchanan is just another media whore- albeit one who hates me and mine.

re: #130 WriterMom

From what I saw, the interrogation was about as strenuous as the questioning that comes after a DWI arrest. I'm just so sorry that the widdle emo terrorist is sad.

Mohammed (PBUH --Pat Buchanan Upon Him) would be proud.

re: #206 Silhouette

Listen-I've already determined that this guy is a raging Jooooooo hater, and a very committed Muslim, so we don't have that much common ground-you know what I'm sayin?

re: #199 Spiny Norman

I would bet my last dollar that Pat opposed that move absolutely, and likely wasn't the only one. Nixon only sent aid after a direct personal appeal from Golda Meir, and he paid a political price for it, too. I remember that many, many people blamed him personally for the Arab Oil Embargo that followed.

* * *
Gee, do you think Kerry & Fonda came to Israel's assistance before Nixon did? I think not.

With the unpopular Vietnam War still on his watch, 60,000 dead and POWS just back from 9 years in Hanoi, Americans probably were not clamoring to go to enter another conflict.

But then isolationists always Blame America First, though OPEC withheld petroleum from its buyers.

re: #184 Charles

The bombing of the USS Liberty, by the way, was proven to be an accident:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And the ship did not sink.

Anti-semitic paleocons seem to think that's their "trump card", even though their version of events has been debunked by everyone who has examined it. They are little different from the 9/11 Troofers.

re: #210 Golem Akbar

Golem! PBUH indeed.

re: #184 Charles

The bombing of the USS Liberty, by the way, was proven to be an accident:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And the ship did not sink.

Shit happens in a shooting war. USS Liberty was one of those. IIRC it's been investigated by 5 different commissions etc... All came to the same basic conclusion.

A Charlie Fox in the fog of war.

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fascists in Denver seek to oppress the masses

A draft law proposed by the Denver Police Department would ban the possession by protesters of materials such as weighted pipes and chains and items that can make urine and feces bombs.

Now I know what a dirty bomb is.

re: #194 Opinionated

I think we are arguing the same thing. There are "bigots"--(typical white people--I couldn't resist) and then there are the people who Jonah Goldhagen described as being infected with a virulent antisemitism which allows them to call for, and be willing to participate in, the murder of those people. Yes--I agree that the latter could be called a mental illness.

A little OT, but worth a gander:

Israel plays small role in Columbian FARC rescue:

Former Colombian presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, who was released after six years in captivity on Wednesday, compared her "impeccable" rescue operation to Israeli commando operations.

Perhaps she did not know it, but Israel indeed contributed to the elaborately-planned, daring rescue mission.

Betancourt, who was kidnapped in 2002 by Marxist rebels in Colombia (FARC), was rescued without a shot being fired. Colombian military agents, who had penetrated FARC's leadership, instructed her guards to transfer her to another rebel group.

Her captors put her on a helicopter that arrived as scheduled, little knowing that their comrades-in-arms were undercover Colombian soldiers. Betancourt and 14 other hostages who had been held in the jungle, including three Americans, were freed.

Since word of the dramatic rescue spread, speculation in the world media has attributed the success to people trained by Israeli intelligence. But an Israeli figure familiar with the military aid to Colombia said there was "no need to exaggerate" Israel's involvement in the operation.

re: #190 WriterMom

Are we related?

ROFL.

Of course! We are on the 'smart side' of the family. (Unfortunately, I am also on the 'poor side'.)

=)

Really, as Peggy Noonan once pointed out (she was referring to Marxism), there is no beautifully expressed theory so absurd that an intellectual elite won't believe it

re: #212 alegrias

* * *
Gee, do you think Kerry & Fonda came to Israel's assistance before Nixon did? I think not.

With the unpopular Vietnam War still on his watch, 60,000 dead and POWS just back from 9 years in Hanoi, Americans probably were not clamoring to go to enter another conflict.

But then isolationists always Blame America First, though OPEC withheld petroleum from its buyers.

Sending military aid is hardly the same as sending the Marines, so directly "entering a new conflict" likely wasn't what was on their minds. Pissing off OPEC and the Soviets surely was.

Right now Dennis Prager on radio is discussing Jew-Hatred in his Ultimate Issues show.

re: #130 WriterMom

Holy shitzky.

A MENTALLY DERANGED colleague just came into my office practically sobbing about the Omar Khadr tapes, and how BAD they are, and how SAD it is...I felt like saying UHHHH HELLLLO, do you know who you are talking to, you idjit?

Its OK WriterMom. Omar Khadr is going to be "religiously rehabilitated".

/

re: #131 jcm

PBJ,

Quick question, since I'm too dense to understand your finely nuanced points.

What did Israel have to do with:
The Embassy Invasion of Nov. 4, '79.
The Marine Barracks and Embassy bombings in Lebanon '83.
The Kuwait Embassy Bombing in '83.
The Lebanon kidnappings.
Bombing of U.S. Embassy annex northeast of Beirut in '84.
Hijacking of TWA Flight 847 in '85.
............

the Munich olympics?
The Achilie laural (sp) hijacking
The bombing of the pentagon
the bombing of wtc1
the bombing of wtc2
the bombing of a field in PA

(I consider them bombings, not plane crashes)
the list of a thousand

re: #213 Spiny Norman

And, for whatever twisted reason, they often seem to regard it as an atrocity equivalent to 9/11, or Arafat's murder of American diplomats (actually, they rarely touch on the last one.)

re: #216 jorline

Now I know what a dirty bomb is.

A catapult which chucks hippies.

re: #207 WriterMom

And the kapos were the last to go into the "showers"--or they were shot as the SS abandoned the camps.

re: #207 WriterMom

In Hebrew, there is a unique term for self-destructive, terror-loving Jews: Yefe Nefesh ('delightful or lovely souls'). Isn't that perfect. They are so nice and caring about our enemies and couldn't give a rat's ass about their own people. They donate clothes and food to them, take up their cases pro bono in Israel, go to their houses for dinner, stand at IDF barriers on their behalf.

Yefe Nefesh. Remember it-they are today's Kapos.

Excellent expression - I will indeed remember that.

re: #207 WriterMom

"Yefe nefesh"---"Lovely Souls"; you know, I like that!

"Lovely" indeed! It certainly sums such people up!

re: #187 WriterMom

I learned that as two Russian Jews, but yeah, I know that joke.

re: #225 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir),

No, that's entertainment :-)

re: #211 WriterMom

At least this raging Joooo hater and committed Muslim isn't "lacking in empathy" (for poor little Khadr anyway, if not for Joos or infidels) because as Obama pointed out that could lead to desperation & terrorism.

re: #207 WriterMom

In Hebrew, there is a unique term for self-destructive, terror-loving Jews: Yefe Nefesh ('delightful or lovely souls'). Isn't that perfect. They are so nice and caring about our enemies and couldn't give a rat's ass about their own people. They donate clothes and food to them, take up their cases pro bono in Israel, go to their houses for dinner, stand at IDF barriers on their behalf.

Yefe Nefesh. Remember it-they are today's Kapos.

How is that pronounced?

re: #187 WriterMom

Don't you know the joke about two Jews sitting on a bus just before the Second World War, in Europe? One of the older men is reading the newspaper-a Nazi party newspaper. The other man says 'why are you reading a Nazi newspaper-they hate us', and the first one says 'when I read our newspapers, I get depressed-when I read their newspapers I see how all powerful the Jews are'.

Old joke, and still very true, very apt, today. Thanks, WM.

re: #197 WriterMom

Well, they respect force. If there is a little push back, then they might back off in some areas. Here's hoping.

re: #205 calcajun

If they won't accept it, that's kinda sad. Doesn't make them right, Old Navy hands or not.

If I ever write a book about such misquided people, I'll call it "Lovely Souls'!

re: #205 calcajun

I don't doubt it, but there are a few old navy hands I know who--no matter how hard you try to convince them--just won't accept the version that the IDF aircraft and PT boats mistook it for a "an unknown destroyer" or the Egyptian cargo ship "El Quseir". Honestly, the ship's silhouette looked nothing like a destroyer--no deck guns at all.

If you read down the entire thread on the link Charles posted, I think you get a pretty good discussion on both sides.

re: #236 TalkinKamel

If I ever write a book about such misquided people, I'll call it "Lovely Souls'!

because Dead Souls has already been taken.

re: #188 kansas

Might ask how that's been working for them.

I believe that my elite/academic relatives would be sadly willing to keep their faces down, speak in low halting voices, and try to stay quiet and out of sight of the barbarians, just to survive as Jewish.

TalkinKamel,

"Yefe nefesh"---"Lovely Souls"; you know, I like that!

I prefer the English equivalent, "assh*les". Less flowery but far more economical.

re: #223 Eowyn2

the Munich olympics?
The Achilie laural (sp) hijacking
The bombing of the pentagon
the bombing of wtc1
the bombing of wtc2
the bombing of a field in PA

(I consider them bombings, not plane crashes)
the list of a thousand

Yep, Like I said up thread.
A state of war has existed since Nov. 4, '79.
But we (collectively) have figured it out yet.

That is standard isolationism for Pat Buchanan. IMO he has aged into a state where he no longer cares to hide his opinion about Israel. What we see is the true Pat coming out. Iran could launch missiles right at Israel and if they fell 3 feet short, Pat would pronounce this as no credible threat by the Iranians.

I am fine if he has a voice in the country, but it should be more like on the David Duke radio show. They are more in step with Pat then Fox News or Laura Ingram. I suppose he is pulling strings. Fox does have ultra left and right positions at times. Pat is basically an irrelevant person today.

I have met several smart people in the past year who are obsessed with AIPAC as the root cause for a lot of problems in America. They generally seem to be brittle twisted people to me. Inflexible.

re: #235 TalkinKamel

It's the same sort of mentality where a family refuses to believe a cop acted properly when a family member is killed in an officer-involved shooting. They cannot accept that systems sometimes fail and bad things happen through no one's fault.

re: #219 runrabbitrun

As Peggy Noonan once pointed out (she was referring to Marxism), there is no beautifully expressed theory so absurd that an intellectual elite won't believe it

Sort of a paraphrase of the remark attributed to George Orwell that there are some ideas so foolish that only an intellectual could believe in them.

Pat Buchanan seems to think that he has achieved credibility do to his ability to repeatedly jump the shark. His actual status is shark bait in a clown suit and any entertainment value that he once exhibited has been replaced by his twisted psychopathology. Buchanan's "popcycle" has melted and there is nothing left but shit on a stick.

re: #238 Kenneth

because Dead Souls has already been taken.

Gogol it.
/

re: #230 Iron Fist

,

No, that's entertainment :-)

Depends on if you're in the impact area.

Of course, the idea of lauching hippies bring to mind Mel Brooks.

"Sire, the peasants are revolting!"
"You said it. They stink on ice."

re: #194 Opinionated

My reservation about calling ideological anti-semitism a mental illness is that the very word "illness," for me, absolves one of responsibility.

Allowing me poetic license here, we may call anti-semitism a form of demonic possession. In medieval thought, there was a distinction drawn between those who were possessed through no fault of their own and those who (usually through a gradual process) surrendered right reason to absurd imaginings and egotism.
The French philosopher Alain Besancon makes the point in A Century of Horrors that to begin to understand the uniqueness of the Shoah even an atheist has to think theologically.

I wonder if anti-semitism, the kind that goes beyond simple xenophobia, is not more properly described as a spiritual perversion.
The mental dysfunction may be a result, not a cause.

re: #237 itellu3times

If you read down the entire thread on the link Charles posted, I think you get a pretty good discussion on both sides.

Whatever - the point is that I think we mostly see the Liberty being used as an anti-semitic tool. And people in the military can be anti-semitic too- not just among older people.

re: #202 Tazzerman

Well, unless and until we invent time travel (and I hope we never do), I really don't see what Israel's supposed to do about it this incident to reassure everybody---especially as it has been judged an accident.

Some people believe the earth is flat. Some people believe all we have to do to make Islamist terrorists like us is be nice to them. Some people (like Pat Buchanan) believe the Jews are responsible for all the evils of the world; some people believe 9/11 was caused by George Bush, with smoke and mirrors, and some people really believe they'll get lotsa money if they just help out that nice widow who emailed them from Nigeria.

Some people will believe the damndest things, and that's all there is to it.

ACK

I can't catch up...Work, once again getting in the way of LGF....I'll try to respond in the next few minutes to the comments.

re: #239 runrabbitrun

I believe that my elite/academic relatives would be sadly willing to keep their faces down, speak in low halting voices, and try to stay quiet and out of sight of the barbarians, just to survive as Jewish.

Ask them how well that worked for assimilated Jews in Germany.

Nixon and the 73 War:

It's useful to remember that Nixon at first resisted sending weapons to Israel. Both he and Kissinger thought it was a good idea to let Israel bleed in order to put leverage on Israel. However, after the the massive Soviet air-lift of weapons to the Arabs was well under way, both Nixon and Kissinger came to the consludion that they could not let the Soviets win. Only then did the air-lift begin in earnest.

Nixon and Kissinger wanted to show the Arabs they could never defeat Israel with the backing of the Soviets. Neither Nixon or Kissinger would allow the Soviet-backed Arabs to win a victory over a U.S. ally. By sending arms to Israel, the United States could insure an Israeli victory, hand the Soviets a defeat, and provide Washington with the leverage to influence a postwar settlement.

re: #242 hazzyday

That is standard isolationism for Pat Buchanan. IMO he has aged into a state where he no longer cares to hide his opinion about Israel. What we see is the true Pat coming out. Iran could launch missiles right at Israel and if they fell 3 feet short, Pat would pronounce this as no credible threat by the Iranians.

I am fine if he has a voice in the country, but it should be more like on the David Duke radio show. They are more in step with Pat then Fox News or Laura Ingram. I suppose he is pulling strings. Fox does have ultra left and right positions at times. Pat is basically an irrelevant person today.

I have met several smart people in the past year who are obsessed with AIPAC as the root cause for a lot of problems in America. They generally seem to be brittle twisted people to me. Inflexible.

Just remember that the Germans who later became Nazis were the most intelligent, cultured, and advanced in the world, at that time. Intelligence (or sh#t for brains) has little to do with having any kind of moral center. Alas.

re: #248 wolfie

That is a very interesting explanation - and I'd go along with that.

Buchanan explained:

It's not about the USS Liberty
It's not about US foreign policy
It's not about the Israeli Lobby

It's about hate. Period.

re: #222 experiencedtraveller

Feh.

As someone who loves Townhall and agrees with Charles, I sent them the following:

Let me begin by explaining that I love Townhall. I read a couple articles daily, and listen to the entire Dennis Prager show each day using your podcasts (I also listen to the others, such as Hugh Hewitt's Mark Steyn interviews). I am disappointed in you publishing the garbage that Pat Buchanan writes. Today's "Two Different Crises" feature is typical of his drivel. If I need someone to blame the Jews and exonerate terror regimes like Iran, I can read the New York Times or watch Keith Olberman. I read Townhall features because even those that I disagree with start from a realistic conservative perspective. Pat Buchanan has long abandoned conservatism for the fever swamps of conspiracies, anti-semitism, and xenophobia. His most recent book, if reviews are accurate, is a revisionist fantasy blaming Churchill for WWII while conveniently exonerating the role of a certain German anti-semite. Please clean it up and let Buchanan publish his diatribes elsewhere.

re: #251 WriterMom

ACK

I can't catch up...Work, once again getting in the way of LGF....I'll try to respond in the next few minutes to the comments.

I keep having to come back...leave...come back....[speaking of hampster wheels...]

re: #27 MandyManners

Israel is a fifth column?

It isn't Israel that's the Fifth Column; it's worse than that. After all, Israel is a sovereign country which can be expected to act according to its national interests.

According to Buchanan and his ilk, it's American Jews (via AIPAC) who are the Fifth Column, because we supposedly place our loyalty to Israel above our loyalty to the US. Therefore, these creeps argue, the Jews and AIPAC wants to push the US into wars which are not in the US's interest but which will benefit Israel.

No question but that this is unadulterated antisemitism, but it's nothing new; it's a reprise of Hitler's "The Jews stabbed us in the back" excuse for everything that had gone wrong in Germany since World War I.

re: #248 wolfie

Brilliant post! Really.

My reservation about calling ideological anti-semitism a mental illness is that the very word "illness," for me, absolves one of responsibility.

Exactly!

OT
Whoa, Y'all! Another democrat throws Obama under the bus...

O'Hanlon on Obama

The Washington Post reports:

Michael E. O'Hanlon, a Democratic defense analyst at the Brookings Institution who has been an outspoken supporter of the war in Iraq, said he could not believe that Obama would put such a definitive timeline into print before a trip to Iraq, where he is to consult with Iraqi leaders and U.S. commanders.

"To say you're going to get out on a certain schedule -- regardless of what the Iraqis do, regardless of what our enemies do, regardless of what is happening on the ground -- is the height of absurdity," said O'Hanlon, who described himself as "livid." "I'm not going to go to the next level of invective and say he shouldn't be president. I'll leave that to someone else."

Posted by John McCormack at 12:02 PM
2008
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

re: #248 wolfie

Allowing me poetic license here, we may call anti-semitism a form of demonic possession.

History seems consistent with examples of anti-semitism but the reasons seem to vary with each culture, which leads me to believe that, yes, it is the work of a greater evil, which works in opposition to the Children of God.

re: #259 Canadastani

As someone who loves Townhall and agrees with Charles, I sent them the following:

Let me begin by explaining that I love Townhall. I read a couple articles daily, and listen to the entire Dennis Prager show each day using your podcasts (I also listen to the others, such as Hugh Hewitt's Mark Steyn interviews). I am disappointed in you publishing the garbage that Pat Buchanan writes. Today's "Two Different Crises" feature is typical of his drivel. If I need someone to blame the Jews and exonerate terror regimes like Iran, I can read the New York Times or watch Keith Olberman. I read Townhall features because even those that I disagree with start from a realistic conservative perspective. Pat Buchanan has long abandoned conservatism for the fever swamps of conspiracies, anti-semitism, and xenophobia. His most recent book, if reviews are accurate, is a revisionist fantasy blaming Churchill for WWII while conveniently exonerating the role of a certain German anti-semite. Please clean it up and let Buchanan publish his diatribes elsewhere.

Well said.

re: #207 WriterMom