Ummmm.... no.

GO FISH!
National security.

I'm still waiting to see the airlines depose the imams over their funding, their travel plans, etc., and show that it was a concerted effort to trigger a confrontation so as to expose air security procedures.

This line of questioning goes to that intention. I'm sure the ACLU is salivating over the possibility that the judge will allow it.

I'm not okay with that.

Why don't we just teach them to fly the plane too? Oh wait... nevermind...

re: #2 jcm

That's exactly what the imams are doing; they're on a fishing expedition to obtain information on how airline security operates post 9/11 - so that they can blab about it. That information may prove handy to terrorists somewhere down the line, but these imams' lawyers will simply claim that they were only out to protect the civil rights of their clients.

wonder what obama thinks of this

re: #3 lawhawk

that it was a concerted effort to trigger a confrontation

They probably learned the play from Sharpton ...

Stealing a play from the Leftists, like suing the Denver PD for info about their preparations for the DNC disguised as a "budget inquiry"

It seems they have the State Dept's VISA program pretty well figured out, so it seems like this is the next step.

They're working towards creating another 9/11. They should be stopped.

Next the esteemed counsel for the defense will want a Muslim riding in the cockpit jump seat.

/oh HELL yes!

It would be an amusing "follow the dye trail" exercise to release a phony security manual indicating that, say, anyone wearing an orange felt top hat is automatically allowed to bypass the metal detectors, and see how many imams start showing up with orange hats and ticking midsections.

They can take a long flight off a short runway for all I care.

The audacity never ends. One can only hope the judge has enough sense to refuse the request (demand) for sensitive security info that the terrorists so dearly desire for future ops.

Why not divulge security procedures? What could possibly go wrong?

I mean, they're respected members of a peaceful religious charity, right?

Right?

/sarc (did I even need to tag this?)

This reveals yet another purpose of the Flying Imams attack, to extract information regarding airline security in a way that’s much faster and cheaper than traditional espionage or a series of probing attacks.

I hope this judge gets the concept of national security and that US Airways continues to stand strong on this trial.

Yes, Mr. Abdullah, we hide the keys to the planes in the turbines.

}:)     [Lean just a little further and you'll see them.  A little further ... a little further ... ]

re: #6 lawhawk

That's exactly what the imams are doing; they're on a fishing expedition to obtain information on how airline security operates post 9/11 - so that they can blab about it. That information may prove handy to terrorists somewhere down the line, but these imams' lawyers will simply claim that they were only out to protect the civil rights of their clients.

We tell 'em we will hand it over.
But everyone of middle eastern decent gets cavity searched by a bomb sniffing pig until the procedures can be reworked.
/

re: #20 Kulhwch

Yes, Mr. Abdullah, we hide the keys to the planes in the turbines.

}:)     [Lean just a little further and you'll see them.  A little further ... a little further ... ]

So, ROP=FOD?

I keep trying to think of something to say, and just can't.

This attorney and his flying imam clients, are engaged in taqqiya that is so blatant, and so transparent- and yet people can't see it. Argh.

/ok so I found a little bit of something to say.

So, in other words, "We don't have a fucking way of making a case against you stupid Americans unless you help us."

}:)     [If they weren't already established as nadless, I'd say they had a pair ... ]

re: #6 lawhawk

That's exactly what the imams are doing; they're on a fishing expedition to obtain information on how airline security operates post 9/11 - so that they can blab about it.

I'm of a different opinion. When the imams were detained, they were requested to give their Social Security number to the police. I picked it up from the unredacted police reports and [not going to say more]. Only two of the Imams even had a S.S. #. No need for one when you're working the American system for financial gain, while not paying taxes. In my opinion, they are after the deep pockets of a major American air carrier in order to enrich themselves and (secondary) promote islam. We've seen their double wide trailer mosque in AZ. This is all about the money.

You don't suppose CAIR and the IMAM's were silly enough to have left an email trail of the plan?

They want the "key to the apartment where the money is stored" /obscure Russian literature reference

How about a modification to airliners. Make one of the toilets larger ... the size of a man's body.

/four flushes would've done it

Why don't we just teach them to fly the plane too? Oh wait... nevermind...

Well, it's not like they want to learn how to land a plane.....

re: #21 jcm

We tell 'em we will hand it over.
But everyone of middle eastern decent gets cavity searched by a bomb sniffing pig until the procedures can be reworked.
/

Are aardvarks related to pigs?

/hopefully

I propose a Sharia complient airline. Pork free, alcohol free meals, Islamic movies on the screens, separate areas for men and women and a prayer facility.

The fighter escort with sidewinder missiles if the plane so much as twitches off course is a freebie.

re: #29 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How about a modification to airliners. Make one of the toilets larger ... the size of a man's body.

/four flushes would've done it

"People began to hate & fear Jeffrey. One man invited him into the bathroom to play with the blue water."

/Bill Cosby

re: #23 CanadianBacon

So, ROP=FOD?

*grin*
In the aviation industry meaning of FOD?

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

"Fasten your seat belts seat belt extenders, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

I remember the police report had the imams weight, also. Only two of them could possibly have been outside of the norm that such an item was necessary. Yet they all asked for one.

re: #26 EC Marm

I'm of a different opinion. When the imams were detained, they were requested to give their Social Security number to the police. I picked it up from the unredacted police reports and [not going to say more]. Only two of the Imams even had a S.S. #. No need for one when you're working the American system for financial gain, while not paying taxes. In my opinion, they are after the deep pockets of a major American air carrier in order to enrich themselves and (secondary) promote islam. We've seen their double wide trailer mosque in AZ. This is all about the money.

Deep pockets may be a secondary objective. I still think it was, a) a security probe / recon, b) create an incident that would cause airline security to back off on folks flying while middle eastern.

re: #31 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are aardvarks related to pigs?

/hopefully

LOL! As long as varks are haraam.

Heck, give them honorary Captain's licences and have them fly Air Force 1, while you're at it.

Us Airways should defer them to the El Al security handbook/Ben Gurion airport security directive..."if you look islamic, act nervous and irregular, we'll be watching you every minute, and question you until midnight the next day. Thank You! have a nice flight!"

EC Marm

In my opinion, they are after the deep pockets of a major American air carrier in order to enrich themselves and (secondary) promote islam. We've seen their double wide trailer mosque in AZ. This is all about the money.

Have to agree. Would they be that obvious to ask for security info, then hand it over directly to terrorists?

I work for a large corp. You wouldn't believe all the fishing expeditions slimeball trial lawyers do. They ask for incredible amounts of randomn information, hoping to find something they can twist around and use in a trial. The worst are liberal Democrat Atty Generals. They like to make headlines by going after businesses.

I'm sure that if the judge doesn't give them the info they want, the NYT will do its' best to oblige.

re: #33 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"People began to hate & fear Jeffrey. One man invited him into the bathroom to play with the blue water."

/Bill Cosby

*chuckle*
Never heard/saw that one.

re: #37 jcm

LOL! As long as varks are haraam.

"vark" is Afrikaaner for pig.

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
In the aviation industry meaning of FOD?

We used to have to police FOD whenever I worked on the runways at SFO.

What? They haven't asked for keys to the airplanes yet?

Hey, you gotta hand to them: these guys sure don't lose sight of their agenda!

re: #43 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"vark" is Afrikaaner for pig.

Wonderful!

re: #46 Aylios

Hey, you gotta hand to them: these guys sure don't lose sight of their agenda!

They're keeping their eyes on the 72 virgins.

re: #35 EC Marm

I remember the police report had the imams weight, also. Only two of them could possibly have been outside of the norm that such an item was necessary. Yet they all asked for one.

Seat belt extenders are what? 6-8"? With a buckle on the end weighing 8-10 oz. In LE circles that would be consider a lethal weapon.

Come on, we're acting like they want to know US Airways' security procedures in order to help launch a real attack in the future.
It's not as if the terrorists involved in the 1993 WTC attack asked for, and got, the architectural plans of the World Trade Center and then their co-religionists used them to plan another, more successful attack.
/
When will more than a few of us understand that this is going on?

re: #44 abilene

We used to have to police FOD whenever I worked on the runways at SFO.

I was in a tailhook outfit, USN, 60's.

re: #23 CanadianBacon

re: #20 Kulhwch

Yes, Mr. Abdullah, we hide the keys to the planes in the turbines.

}:) [Lean just a little further and you'll see them. A little further ... a little further ... ]

So, ROP=FOD?

With ANY hope.

}:)     [Really, sir, your 72 virgins are in there.  Right there, behind that whirly thingie.]

If the judge et all are ok with this, then the judge et all are on crack, to use the vernacular.

re: #36 jcm

Deep pockets may be a secondary objective. I still think it was, a) a security probe / recon, b) create an incident that would cause airline security to back off on folks flying while middle eastern.

Yes. They did odd and suspicious things, but weren't planning further mayhem, to see how quickly and how precisely people react to the very odd. And, not just airline security but to hopefully make the airline customers, everybody really, think twice before voicing a suspicion, too.

Lawfare

The trial is about the Imans conduct, not the airlines conduct. If the airline employee acted outside of the training manual, which isn't a crime in and of itself, then perhaps it was because the circumstances were not fully anticipated by the manual. Regardless, the training manual isn't on trial, the Imans are on trial. Request denied, I hope.

re: #42 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It was from his 80s routine about a cross-country flight with a little boy named Jeffrey, who ran around first class telling everyone "I'm Jeffrey. I'm four years old." By the end, he said I wouldn have preferred that the plane have been hijacked. At least a terrorist wouldn't have keep telling everyone "My name is Achmed. I'm 22 years old."

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was in a tailhook outfit, USN, 60's.

FOD Walk! Chance to get on the deck, and go for a walk in the sunshine!

re: #3 lawhawk

I'm still waiting to see the airlines depose the imams over their funding, their travel plans, etc., and show that it was a concerted effort to trigger a confrontation so as to expose air security procedures.
This line of questioning goes to that intention. I'm sure the ACLU is salivating over the possibility that the judge will allow it.

agreed. it has the smell of a staged, coordinated operation to achieve on of several possible results/responses. I hope we don't go down the rabbit hole on this one.

re: #58 jcm

FOD Walk! Chance to get on the deck, and go for a walk in the sunshine!

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Can the government deport these flying terrorists to their respective tribes in the middle-east?

Son of a Bitch.

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
In the aviation industry meaning of FOD?

Exactly. Give the Marine brat a cigar.

FOD 'em all, let G_d sort 'em lot.

re: #21 jcm

Hey, what have you got against pigs?

re: #57 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It was from his 80s routine about a cross-country flight with a little boy named Jeffrey, who ran around first class telling everyone "I'm Jeffrey. I'm four years old." By the end, he said I wouldn have preferred that the plane have been hijacked. At least a terrorist wouldn't have keep telling everyone "My name is Achmed. I'm 22 years old."

NOWWW I understand.
(-:

re: #51 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I was in a tailhook outfit, USN, 60's.

I found a piece of golden FOD on a flight deck walk down on the Coral Sea one morning. air boss used to put his silver leaf in a pad eye or somewhere and the lucky one who found it got a good deal. mine was a extra day liberty in Palma De majorrca (sp?) in summer time! Ah northern european girls on vacation! and a fine time it was!

re: #35 EC Marm

re: #35 EC Marm

I remember the police report had the imams weight, also. Only two of them could possibly have been outside of the norm that such an item was necessary. Yet they all asked for one.

No $#!t? Hmmm.

re: #60 gop_patriot

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Works for me?!

Try another one.

re: #58 jcm

FOD Walk! Chance to get on the deck, and go for a walk in the sunshine!

I get a "not found" error

Privilege does not equal Right.

It still amazes me that the lawyers think the Imams had a right to fly, and that their rights were being denied... when all the price of a ticket means that you have the privilege, but it can still be taken away, at the airline's discretion. Smell bad? Off the plane. Too drunk? Off the plane. Acting suspicious? OFF THE PLANE.

I feel better now.

re: #66 Spider Mensch

I found a piece of golden FOD on a flight deck walk down on the Coral Sea one morning. air boss used to put his silver leaf in a pad eye or somewhere and the lucky one who found it got a good deal. mine was a extra day liberty in Palma De majorrca (sp?) in summer time! Ah northern european girls on vacation! and a fine time it was!

Very smart air boss!

Classic tactic of the extremist. This is an aspect of Fourth Generation Warfare. They are using the legal process and media to achieve what cannot be achieved on the battlefield.

And they will be more successful doing it this way.

"Associated Press - July 15, 2008 9:04 AM ET

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Attorneys representing six Muslim imams removed from a US Airways flight are asking a federal magistrate in Minneapolis to require the airline to hand over 10 years of discrimination complaints.

The lawyers want to compare the airline's behavior before and after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks."

Of course they know there have been more discrimination complaints after 9/11 - some "comparison", friggin CAIR filed 99% of them.

re: #68 jcm

The second one worked.

re: #52 Kulhwch

re: #23 CanadianBacon

re: #20 Kulhwch
Yes, Mr. Abdullah, we hide the keys to the planes in the turbines.

}:) [Lean just a little further and you'll see them. A little further ... a little further ... ]

So, ROP=FOD?

With ANY hope.

}:)     [Really, sir, your 72 virgins are in there.  Right there, behind that whirly thingie.]

I'm comfortable, as well, with the MUD term Finger Of Death instead ...

}:)     [No, I'm serious, all of your ancestors ARE waiting back there for you!]

re: #68 jcm

That one worked! Thanks. :)

re: #66 Spider Mensch

I found a piece of golden FOD on a flight deck walk down on the Coral Sea one morning. air boss used to put his silver leaf in a pad eye or somewhere and the lucky one who found it got a good deal. mine was a extra day liberty in Palma De majorrca (sp?) in summer time! Ah northern european girls on vacation! and a fine time it was!

When were you on the Coral Sea? Sounds like well after Vietnam.

re: #12 buzzsawmonkey

"Fasten your seat belts seat belt extenders, it's going to be a bumpy ride."

"Be sure that your prayer rugs and bomb-making materials are securely stowed under your seats or in the overhead bins."

This won't be the first time the issue of free speech runs smack into the concept of security. I'd say it really depends on the judge. The airlines may have to refuse and hope for an appeal to a sympathetic court. It's not a slam dunk.

re: #77 pre-Boomer Marine brat

When were you on the Coral Sea? Sounds like well after Vietnam.

not quite old enough for vietnam era. I was on it 86 to 89..right up to decomissioning.

Well, how about this, imams...You hand over all of Hamas' procedures for jihad and extermination, and all of the Holy Land Foundation's plans for funneling cash into same, and we'll trade you some of our security procedures. You don't necessarily have to provide documentation - we'll just get it out of the koran. Now, that's discovery.

re: #70 MrSilverDragon

Privilege does not equal Right.

It still amazes me that the lawyers think the Imams had a right to fly, and that their rights were being denied... when all the price of a ticket means that you have the privilege, but it can still be taken away, at the airline's discretion. Smell bad? Off the plane. Too drunk? Off the plane. Acting suspicious? OFF THE PLANE.

I feel better now.

Or, in my line of work:

Leave your seatbelt hanging out the helicopter door? We leave you on the tundra. Kick the helicopter to clean the mud off your boots? The flight engineer kicks the sh*t outta the driller. Walk towards the tail rotor? Engineer cleans you off the tailboom after replacing all the tail rotor bits.

If we can get these simple aviation safety rules accepted, why not ones that keep potential flight hazards out of aircraft? As has been posted elsewhere here, FOD (Foreign Object Damage) sweeps are an accepted aviation safety practice flightside, as are checks of your person before you pass security. If an examination of your person is accepted as a prerequisite before boarding, what could possibly be wrong with an examination of your behaviour?

Also they want to know who the sky marshals are on each flight.

And what's a really good way to bring a box cutter on board.

Legal Jihad.

I hope someone will put a stop to this. However, looking at some of the legal decisions made recently, I would not put it past the U.S. government to "engage" these people and make them an active, integral part of the overall airline screening process - maybe even the screening processes of every single airline in the U.S.- so that innocent Muslims won't be targeted in the future.

I also hope (wow, I am full of that today!) that there is a crack legal time on our side that's working for the airlines and/or passengers to stop this sort of behavior.

And the next 9/11.

re: #34 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*grin*
In the aviation industry meaning of FOD?

Yeppers. Both aviation and military meaning.

His motion was for the judge, Arthur Boylan, to compel US Airways to divulge its training manuals, and information on its security procedures...........

And judge Boylan replies, "When pigs fly."

re: #83 Opinionated

Also they want to know who the sky marshals are on each flight.

And what's a really good way to bring a box cutter on board.

True story:
On my first post-9/11 flight, after having my freakin' tonsils examined at security, I walked past one of those airport newsstand stores and there were freakin' box-cutters hanging there for sale.

re: #83 Opinionated

Also they want to know who the sky marshals are on each flight.

Simple solution, the personnel with the key to undo the harness which locks you into your seat is the Sky Marshal.

re: #35 EC Marm

I remember the police report had the imams weight, also. Only two of them could possibly have been outside of the norm that such an item was necessary. Yet they all asked for one.

And one (or more) promptly put the extender under their seat. If you don't need the seat belt extender, why ask for it? Well, we know why, but will the judge?

re: #86 IslandLibertarian

His motion was for the judge, Arthur Boylan, to compel US Airways to divulge its training manuals, and information on its security procedures...........

And judge Boylan replies, "When the descendants of apes and pigs fly."

Imam version.

all will be revealed through Allah. security protocols, too.

The Audacity of Airline Security.

"Typical" airline security people.

They cling to their airline security, and bibles, and guns.

Waffles.

.

re: #91 G. Haad

all will be revealed through Allah. security protocols, too.

Completely snide on my part, but I would wager that the real Rage Boy's beard has never looked as clean and soft as your icon's.

re: #80 Spider Mensch

not quite old enough for vietnam era. I was on it 86 to 89..right up to decomissioning.

I thought maybe earlier than that. ... Coral Sea, Ranger and Hancock (mine) were in on the beginning of the sustained bombing campaign against North Vietnam (1964, I think). Ranger couldn't hit her own foot with a baseball bat. Coral Sea and Hancock had to take out Ranger's assigned targets.

re: #89 RickZ

And one (or more) promptly put the extender under their seat. If you don't need the seat belt extender, why ask for it? Well, we know why, but will the judge?

Looking at some of the legal decisions made recently, I don't know about any judge. Sad state of affairs, isn't it?

re: #68 jcm

Works for me?!

Try another one.

Just remember to stop when you get to the fantail.

re: #92 Dad O' Blondes

The Audacity of Airline Security.

"Typical" airline security people.

They cling to their airline security, and bibles, and guns.

Waffles.

.

Who was the comedian who suggested handing every passenger a gun as they boarded?

Then there was the routine about the attempted terrorist on Southwest Airlines getting the shiite kicked outta him.

Was there a different expectation for the Imam's behavior during the trial?

Seems consistent for jihadists.

re: #93 OldLineTexan

Completely snide on my part, but I would wager that the real Rage Boy's beard has never looked as clean and soft as your icon's.

you are denigrate my face bush? I keel you

re: #99 G. Haad

you are denigrate my face bush? I keel you

You should behead your stylist. I am thinking bangs instead of that awful comb-back. We need to do something about that forehead.

re: #96 Cygnus

Just remember to stop when you get to the fantail.

There's a net behind the round-down.
(I know. Saw half of an A-4C Skyhawk in it one night.)

/bad one

re: #95 shibumi

Looking at some of the legal decisions made recently, I don't know about any judge. Sad state of affairs, isn't it?

Judges are (d)evolved lawyers. How good could the state of that affair ever be? Where's ID when you need it?

re: #29 pre-Boomer Marine brat

How about a modification to airliners. Make one of the toilets larger ... the size of a man's body.

/four flushes would've done it

Better. We add a special prayer section for Muslims. Closed off from the rest of the cabin with a pressure door. And a special door in it that can be remote controlled.

Maybe it would be better to use pigskin for aircraft upholstery.

I remember both MSNBC and CAIR trying to analogize the flying imams to Rosa Parks.

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

'cept as far as I'm aware Rosa Parks never filed a lawsuit seeking to compel the bus company to turn over its security procedures. Because that would just be plain silly, unless you had some reason to try to breach those security procedures in the future. cough

forehead is for to be free for showing carpet slap of five times this day

re: #103 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe it would be better to use pigskin for aircraft upholstery.

Good Idea.

BTW, have you ever watched a movie named "Flame over India"?

Did you all hear that Brit Hume will be stepping down from FNC?

I love him, he cuts through all the BS.

As to airline security, I've shared this story before here but it is worth repeating.
Two weeks after 9/11/2001, I was on a flight to Indonesia. After the plane had taken off, the captain came on the intercom and informed us that as captain he was deputizing us all as sky marshals and if ANYONE interfered with the crew or operation of the aircraft we were withing in our rights to attack, subdue, bind and incapacitate that person with any improvised items we had. He was dead serious.
At the end of his message there was applause and cheering.

Now, was that legal?
Do I care?

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't put up with bullshit.)

Let me see if I understand this.

Engage in extremely provocative behavior to trigger airline security procedures. Take careful notes of those procedures, and report them to your Al Qaeda contacts. Plan ways around those procedures using the information you've just collected.

Then sue the airlines for discrimination, and take home a multi-million dollar jury award, courtesy of the airlines and their passengers. And get Barack Obama to defend you, and attack airline discrimination against innocent Muslims, on national TV.

Sweet.

re: #106 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Good Idea.

BTW, have you ever watched a movie named "Flame over India"?

No, what's it about?

re: #107 newsjunkie_ky

Did you all hear that Brit Hume will be stepping down from FNC?

I love him, he cuts through all the BS.

Maybe he's getting tired of being on Fox with Pat Buchanan all the time.

OT - What media bias?

The merely contradict Bush in the very headline where they quote him

• Bush says troubled financial system is 'basically sound'

Why not just say, "Bush says broken system isn't broken."

And file this under "Making any good news sound bad as part of our continuing service to you, our customer." We want gas prices to go down, no?

• Oil prices plunge at fastest rate in 17 years over economic fears

re: #110 Kosh's Shadow

No, what's it about?

Aw, it merely had a scene where 19th Century jihadist was caught by his reluctance to hand a lady her pigskin-covered case.

Video: Peace and love in Portland....
Cyclist ends up on hood of car

Portland police arrested a 21-year-old man suspected of chasing down a cyclist Sunday and driving off at a high rate of speed -- with the cyclist hanging onto the hood.

In the video above, taken by a witness with a cell phone camera, the cyclist can be seen clinging to the hood of the car after the incident. The cyclist, Jason Rehberg, later managed to get off the car without serious injuries.

James F. Millican was arrested on attempted second-degree assault, driving under the influence of intoxicants, third-degree criminal mischief and reckless driving.

re: #109 quickjustice

Let me see if I understand this.

Engage in extremely provocative behavior to trigger airline security procedures. Take careful notes of those procedures, and report them to your Al Qaeda contacts. Plan ways around those procedures using the information you've just collected.

Then sue the airlines for discrimination, and take home a multi-million dollar jury award, courtesy of the airlines and their passengers. And get Barack Obama to defend you, and attack airline discrimination against innocent Muslims, on national TV.

Sweet.

You for crazy! Who tell you this? Stop to talking! I keel you too

re: #112 buzzsawmonkey

"Flame Over India?" The film that tries to be "The African Queen" and "Blood Alley" rolled into one? Interminable. Sets up premises and never delivers on them.

The best thing about the film is Gupta the engine driver; "Yes, Sahib, in just a soon moment."

Yes, Gupta was wonderful!

Color transfer to VHS sucked.

re: #105 G. Haad

Isn't Rage Boy from Pakistan? G. Haad sounds a little Dutch to me...

re: #107 newsjunkie_ky

Did you all hear that Brit Hume will be stepping down from FNC?

I love him, he cuts through all the BS.

Yeah. I was hoping he would stay around longer but he's been talking about retirement for a long time. I'm glad to see he will still be doing some work, though.
We rarely turn to TV news, but the rare times we do, it's to Hume.

re: #115 Killgore Trout

intoxicants

/plural thoughts come to mind

re: #113 Silhouette

That last headline ....(re oil prices)...is hilarious!
Nope! No bias there !

re: #108 IslandLibertarian

After the plane had taken off, the captain came on the intercom and informed us that as captain he was deputizing us all as sky marshals and if ANYONE interfered with the crew or operation of the aircraft we were withing in our rights to attack, subdue, bind and incapacitate that person with any improvised items we had. He was dead serious.
At the end of his message there was applause and cheering.

That will also take care of the assholes that decide they're allowed to stand up and open the overhead bins while the plane is still taxiing to the gate.

re: #118 experiencedtraveller

Isn't Rage Boy from Pakistan? G. Haad sounds a little Dutch to me...

G. Haad my Crudaser name

re: #124 G. Haad

G. Haad my Crudaser name

Liddy, is that you?

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

The scene where the ill-assorted group on the Last Train from the Beseiged City overtakes the Next to Last Train and finds that all the riders on it have been massacred is, admittedly, powerful.

I must admit, that's when I use the fast-forward/que button.

Trivia -- while Bacal's working her way through one of the carriages, you can see one of the extras move.

re: #119 wolfie
It just won't be the same now that Tony Snow is gone and Hume is stepping down as anchor.
Hope they don't 'promote' shep smith. I do dislike him.

re: #91 G. Haad

all will be revealed through Allah. security protocols, too.

How's the girlfriend, Aisha?

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

The scene where the ill-assorted group on the Last Train from the Beseiged City overtakes the Next to Last Train and finds that all the riders on it have been massacred is, admittedly, powerful.

And I like Gupta's comment, AND delivery, after acknowledging that he knew the engine driver ... about knocking heads together.

re: #26 EC Marm

I'm of a different opinion. When the imams were detained, they were requested to give their Social Security number to the police. I picked it up from the unredacted police reports and [not going to say more]. Only two of the Imams even had a S.S. #. No need for one when you're working the American system for financial gain, while not paying taxes. In my opinion, they are after the deep pockets of a major American air carrier in order to enrich themselves and (secondary) promote islam. We've seen their double wide trailer mosque in AZ. This is all about the money.

LOL. Not a good strategy. Those pockets aren't so deep anymore.

re: #26 EC Marm

EC, IIRC, this flight also involved them having departed some get together in Minneapolis which Ellison also attended?

re: #93 OldLineTexan

Completely snide on my part, but I would wager that the real Rage Boy's beard has never looked as clean and soft as your icon's.

That's because he's a Pantene Man!

re: #128 MandyManners

How's the girlfriend, Aisha?

young and firm, insallah

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

It just won't be the same now that Tony Snow is gone and Hume is stepping down as anchor.
Hope they don't 'promote' shep smith. I do dislike him.

Agreed......on all counts!
Sigh.

re: #133 G. Haad

young and firm, insallah

That's what YOU say, but how do WE know that ain't a goat under that burka?

re: #133 G. Haad

young and firm, insallah

Where's your good buddy, ShortShit?

My nephew went to Eilat last year from Europe, connecting in Tel Aviv. He was interviewed for 45 minutes coming AND going and the El Al folks CALLED (at 3:30 a.m. her time) the woman whom he identified as having made his travel arrangements. Now that's the way to run a secure airline!

re: #136 wolfie

That's what YOU say, but how do WE know that ain't a goat under that burka?

only Friday goat day.

re: #127 newsjunkie_ky

It just won't be the same now that Tony Snow is gone and Hume is stepping down as anchor.
Hope they don't 'promote' shep smith. I do dislike him.

on that note....
I happened by the tv this afternoon when Shep was on....he was in full blown chicken little mode screaming at the top of his lungs about how all the banks are shaky....your money isn't safe...you need to hide it in the mattress. I mean it was non stop panic....the poor shlub he was talking to didn't even get a chance to tell him to calm down.

that boy needs a salt lick prozac

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

I don't remember the comment exactly, but if I recall it was a "brotherhood/why can't we get along?" kind of thing.

Note, by the way, that the entire film is in a sense a symbolic argument against Indian independence from Britain. It was made right around Indian independence, was arguing against sectarian violence (which, of course, resulted when India and Pakistan were partitioned); the hero was the pragmatic British officer played by Jack Hawkins; and the travelers are brought to safety by the "old, but still serviceable" engine named after Victoria, the Empress of India.

Not Hawkins. Kenneth More.

It could be taken as a symbolic argument for the continuation of the Raj. I think it would be better taken as a symbolic affirmation of the idea of the British as the ... Bringers of Civilization.

I watch it more as an adventure/romance (with Gupta thrown in as a plus.)

re: #1 MrSilverDragon

Ah crap. I dinged this down by mistake. It's supposed to be +1.

Sorry.

/Better watch my mouse habits better from now on.

re: #137 MandyManners

Where's your good buddy, ShortShit?

he did shaheed with big courage for success

I can't wait for the day that the airlines start suing passengers who deliberately commit security breaches - thereby causing the airlines to lose time/money. Passengers delayed by these tactics ought to do the same.

re: #134 buzzsawmonkey

Since we're on the subject ... Bhowani Junction.

re: #139 G. Haad

only Friday goat day.

Hey G...what cave did you pop out of? You have 47 total comments in 13 months, 8 of them today. Take a magic carpet ride.

re: #146 jorline

Hey G...what cave did you pop out of? You have 47 total comments in 13 months, 8 of them today. Take a magic carpet ride.

it get warm in here.

oh look at time. which way to see east?

Yesterday Delta Airlines removed a Spanish woman from a flight for smoking in the restroom & disabling the smoke detector while the plane taxied for take-off.

Spaniards cheered in the comments section below the article because Delta and Americans didn't put up with lawbreakers.

The flight to Spain was delayed 4 hours by one lousy person.

Imagine how many hours of our infidel passenger lives have been wasted by CAIR's clients.

I'd say we are owed big time.

re: #148 alegrias

Imagine how many hours of our infidel passenger lives have been wasted by CAIR's clients.

I'd say we are owed big time.

Can some of our legal-eagle lizards voice an opinion on the possibilities of counter-suits? Class-action? Whatever?

re: #149 pre-Boomer Marine brat

DAMMIT, forgot to use "quote"!

re: #140 kawfytawk
shep smith is a complete tool.

I WANT JOHN GIBSON BACK!

re: #149 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Imagine how many hours of our infidel passenger lives have been wasted by CAIR's clients.

I'd say we are owed big time.

Can some of our legal-eagle lizards voice an opinion on the possibilities of counter-suits? Class-action? Whatever?

Exactly...how much money did the airlines lose and what did the loss of time cost the passengers?

I'm absolutely fine with them being told that information.

As long as it is made absolutely clear what happens to people who see State Secrets when they aren't cleared to see them.

re: #107 newsjunkie_ky

Did you all hear that Brit Hume will be stepping down from FNC?

I love him, he cuts through all the BS.

Ah shit, there goes my reason for watching Fox.

Isn't this all it was about?
When Muslims intimidate others at the parking structure at U of Irvine it seems to be in the hopes that they can find out the address of the person, their car's ID number and so on.
Remember the great essay about when Muslims reach certain per cents of the population, how their strategies change?
[Link: frontpagemagazine.com...]
In the USA Muslims are only ~1% of the population.
But, because of our multiculturalism and PC'ness they feel free to act as if they are already at between 5% and 10%.
And we let them.
Our courts and police (especially the U of I's campus police) do, that is.

re: #73 turn

"Associated Press - July 15, 2008 9:04 AM ET

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Attorneys representing six Muslim imams removed from a US Airways flight are asking a federal magistrate in Minneapolis to require the airline to hand over 10 years of discrimination complaints.

The lawyers want to compare the airline's behavior before and after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks."

Of course they know there have been more discrimination complaints after 9/11 - some "comparison", friggin CAIR filed 99% of them.

100% pertinent. Back in the day, when CAIR was most actively collecting grievances about supposed "Muslim profiling" at airports (if only!) I sent my 'grievance' in to them .... which of course, that I, along with other innocuous Americans, were hassled by unnecessary security checks while members of the ROP were being shuttled along scott free. After some of the letters I sent those thugs, If CAIR has a jihad list, I'm on it. :).

re: #154 Honorary Yooper

Ah shit, there goes my reason for watching Fox.

We can still laugh at Geraldo.

re: #154 Honorary Yooper

Ah shit, there goes my reason for watching Fox.

Here's a reason.

re: #157 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We can still laugh at Geraldo.

LOL! I haven't taken anything the man says seriously since he opened Al Capone's vault down in Kankakee.

What a maroon.

re: #151 newsjunkie_ky

shep smith is a complete tool.

I WANT JOHN GIBSON BACK!

Love Gibson's radio show a lot more than TV. On radio he's able to cut loose and fully exhibit his wit. Gibson and Angry Rich crack me up.

re: #154 Honorary Yooper
I worry what could happen to the news channel if someone like shep smith was in charge.

Anybody seen mamawinger lately?

re: #142 Honorary Yooper

Ah crap. I dinged this down by mistake. It's supposed to be +1.

Sorry.

/Better watch my mouse habits better from now on.

Keeps me from getting a swelled head! =D

re: #152 jorline

It's a nice thought, but the plaintiffs probably are judgment-proof. On the other hand, if you could demonstrate abuse of process, for example, you might be able to suck in CAIR and their house lawyer. That's an uphill fight, however.

What do my legal brethren think about this?

re: #162 newsjunkie_ky

I worry what could happen to the news channel if someone like shep smith was in charge.

It would be the National Enquirer writ large on TV. And quite frankly I can do without Geraldo, Greta VanEnquirer, Shep "Chicken Little" Smith, and even O'Reilly.

re: #161 jorline
I haven't listened. The show is on 6p to 9p and I'm usually busy but will try (I always watch Hume at 6p)

re: #162 newsjunkie_ky

I heard last night that she is just fine and on vacation! :)

re: #152 jorline

Exactly...how much money did the airlines lose and what did the loss of time cost the passengers?

Not quite. How much have our present-day ticket prices increase because of ...? It's a hard thing to determine, but if some deep-pockets conservatives were to get behind it...? The idea would be to hammer the jihadist fellow-travelers financially.

/wishful thinking ... never mind

re: #148 alegrias

Yesterday Delta Airlines removed a Spanish woman from a flight for smoking in the restroom & disabling the smoke detector while the plane taxied for take-off.

Spaniards cheered in the comments section below the article because Delta and Americans didn't put up with lawbreakers.

The flight to Spain was delayed 4 hours by one lousy person.

Imagine how many hours of our infidel passenger lives have been wasted by CAIR's clients.

I'd say we are owed big time.

I agree. Let's take a cue from the doctors - who got sick and tired of being sued by people who make their living by suing doctors - the doctors (esp. ob-gyns) started suing these profiteering professional victims back. It works. So I say: Sue the bastards back. I know, I know .. litigiousness can be despicable .. but sometimes it's necessary.

It's all so painfully obvious this was a set up from the beginning. Islamists aka terrorists in the closet (IMHO) are amazingly patient and judging from 9/11, plan WAAAYYY ahead before execution. It's all leading to something. Of course, everyone figures they'll never do the "airplane" thing again but that's probably what they're counting on us to believe.

re: #162 newsjunkie_ky

Isn't she visiting her cabin? I seem to remember her saying something about being gone for a couple weeks back around the 4th.

re: #166 newsjunkie_ky

I haven't listened. The show is on 6p to 9p and I'm usually busy but will try (I always watch Hume at 6p)

Try Gibson on the radio...he's very funny, doesn't take any crap and draws the wackos out of the woodwork.

re: #160 buzzsawmonkey

Never heard of that one. Who's in it? What's the story? When was it made?

OH m' gosh!

IMDB

(gasp, bloody hell! It looks like it just MIGHT be out on DVD now!)

Late getting here and O/T, but Shire Network News has a new podcast up. LGF is mentioned and the Canadian Human Rights Commission is going after stand up comedians!

We cannot allow this cancer on our continent.

re: #167 wolfie
Thanks. Just making sure she was still showing up here.

See ya later lizards.

It's the people's right to know! What about TSA security procedures? Weren't they in the terminal when the complaints started? All these security manuals should be on the front page of the NY Times above the fold this weekend.

/sarc

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat

(gasp, bloody hell! It looks like it just MIGHT be out on DVD now!)

No, dammit, it's not!

re: #174 USBeast

Late getting here and O/T, but Shire Network News has a new podcast up. LGF is mentioned and the Canadian Human Rights Commission is going after stand up comedians!

We cannot allow this cancer on our continent.

Does this include the unfunny ones like Al Franken(stein's Monster)?

re: #172 jorline
I will. I always liked his 'my word' segment. He laid it on the line. And, yes, the loons hate him. More reason to listen.

re: #156 Daisy

This country has become too PC, hell even the POTUS calls Islam a ROP. I say profile, it works for Israel. BTW, My like totally innocuous wife has two artificial knees, you wouldn't believe the shit we have to go through in security EACH TIME WE FLY. Major inconvenience but worth it IMO.

re: #180 newsjunkie_ky

I will. I always liked his 'my word' segment. He laid it on the line. And, yes, the loons hate him. More reason to listen.

Let me know what you think.

re: #107 newsjunkie_ky

Did you all hear that Brit Hume will be stepping down from FNC?

I love him, he cuts through all the BS.

Special Report is the only Fox show I watch on a regular basis. The Grapevine is usually filled with items I already know from LGF, but the All-Stars are great, especially the priceless Charles Krauthammer. I always say he's the best qualified person to deal with the left because he's a psychiatrist.

Can't stay and chat, but I thought I'd make this listing of relevant items: FYI

Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR) Part 91: General operating and flight rules

Sec. 91.3 - Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
Sec. 91.11 - Prohibition on interference with crewmembers.

Part 121: Operating requirements: Domestic, flag, and supplemental operations

Sec. 121.542 - Flight crewmember duties.
Sec. 121.538 - Aircraft security.
See:
49 CFR chapter XII

G. Haad...POOF

re: #179 Honorary Yooper

Does this include the unfunny ones like Al Franken(stein's Monster)?

I don't even know if the comic under investigation is funny or not and I don't care. The Canadian Human Rights Commission may be ridiculous but is definitely NOT funny.

As to Al Franken, I thought he had one or two mildly humorous moments in his early SNL days, but I quit smoking that stuff years ago.

re: #185 jorline

G. Haad...POOF

I still say we need audio and a [BONG] button by the + and -.

Islamists plead guilty for attempting "publicity stunt"

Three men accused of plotting to blow up transatlantic airliners in 2006 have pleaded guilty to conspiring to set off bombs, but they deny targeting planes or attempting to cause injuries, prosecutors told a London court Monday as one of Britain's most important terrorism trials neared its end.

The three men -- Abdulla Ahmed Ali, 27, Assad Sarwar, 28, Tanvir Hussain, 27 -- and five other British Muslim defendants have pleaded not guilty to the most serious charge against them: conspiracy to murder.

Ali and Sarwar testified during the trial that they intended to set off bombs at Parliament or other high-profile sites. They said the bombs were not intended to cause injury but rather were to be a "publicity stunt" in protest of British participation in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

re: #183 doppelganglander

Special Report is the only Fox show I watch on a regular basis. The Grapevine is usually filled with items I already know from LGF, but the All-Stars are great, especially the priceless Charles Krauthammer. I always say he's the best qualified person to deal with the left because he's a psychiatrist.

You are so right. It does take a psychiatrist.

Sorry to go offtopic, but have any other lizards tried out KDE 4? I'm using the latest (as of a day or so) version of KDE 4.1 from SVN, and am impressed and dissappointed at once. I like new features such as Plasmoids, but I do miss some old features: panel autohiding is to my computer needs as oxygen is to me; I can't live without it. I am unaware if KDE is simply this big or if it is a memory leak of somesort, but KDE + Konqueror are consuming 600 MB of RAM, compared to the 350-ish in GNOME.

This is a 64 bit build, and though RAM useage should go up (GNOME was 300MB on 32-bit), I somehow think this is outside the norm.

re: #185 jorline

G. Haad...POOF

Parents must have gotten home.

and I want to win the lottery.

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Next the esteemed counsel for the defense will want a Muslim riding in the cockpit jump seat.

/oh HELL yes!

that would make it Halaal

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They said the bombs were not intended to cause injury but rather were to be a "publicity stunt" in protest of British participation in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wonder if they'd be interested in competing in the Worlds Free-Fall Record Competition. Terrific PR!

re: #190 Zach_the_Lizard

I'd like to help but I have no idea what you're talking about.

when Obamma is president this will all be moot point.. security will be handled by the civilian national defense corps.. a outstanding group of unemployed and youths with AK 47's and a leftist mindset that doesn't see terror.. unless you count Republicans

re: #194 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I wonder if they'd be interested in competing in the Worlds Free-Fall Record Competition. Terrific PR!

I'd like to see a "publicity stunt" hit Tehran.

"Wallace will become Olby’s Worst Person in the World tonight, which would ruin Wallace’s day — if he believed anyone would bother to watch it."

It’s On: Wallace says MS-NBC “in the tank” for Obama

re: #196 BingoBunny

when Obamma is president this will all be moot point.. security will be handled by the civilian national defense corps.. a outstanding group of unemployed and youths with AK 47's and a leftist mindset that doesn't see terror.. unless you count Republicans

Will NOI be involved?

re: #199 buzzsawmonkey

As distinct from the stunted publicity hound who holds forth there?

/hmmm ... do I REALLY want to go to the trouble of strike-editing the sixth word in that sentence

re: #187 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I still say we need audio and a [BONG] button by the + and -.

I agree, but why stop there? Add sirens, bombs and a few disgusting sound effects.

newsjunkie_ky, I knew this couldn't be you, since the person in question lives in NC. A cousin, maybe?

News Junkie Sues Paper Over Reporter Lay-Offs

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Parents must have gotten home.

LOL...or popped back into his bottle.

re: #188 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Islamists plead guilty for attempting "publicity stunt"

And I have some oceanside property in Colorado.

re: #206 Eowyn2

And I have some oceanside property in Colorado.

Really? Would you be willing to trade it for a stake in a lucrative deal I have going with the Nigerian Finance Minister?

Good evening, Lizards! (well, late afternoon).

re: #203 jorline

I agree, but why stop there? Add sirens, bombs and a few disgusting sound effects.

Sound effects?
You want sound effects, young person?

re: #208 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards! (well, late afternoon).

Goddess, check out my #209!

re: #209 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sound effects?
You want sound effects, young person?

LMAO...love Spike Jones.

re: #209 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Sound effects?
You want sound effects, young person?

And thank you for calling me

young person

...you made my day.

Even though the security theatre is mostly useless, this request is surely beyond the pale.

re: #211 jorline

LMAO...love Spike Jones.

I'm glad. This one came to mind instantly as a reply.

re: #206 Eowyn2

And I have some oceanside property in Colorado.

Where?

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #212 jorline

...you made my day.

Well, goddess (who is probably lurking with a catty remark) is a VERRRY young person.

/preemptive attack

O/T again but still about comedians, this fromThe Jawa Report.

Our best weapon against tyranny in any form is laughter. Those who take themselves most seriously are always the most ridiculous.

re: #210 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Goddess, check out my #209!

But where's the cat?

You know Mohamed was an epileptic... and possibly delusional (he even had visions of the angel Gabriel talking to him).

If the religion's founder can hallucinate what would prevent the followers from hallucinating about what they can demand and reasonably expect to receive?

CAIR lawyers must be on drugs.

re: #218 goddessoftheclassroom

But where's the cat?

It's just a classic which I thought you might enjoy.

re: #208 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards! (well, late afternoon).

{GotC!}

re: #207 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Really? Would you be willing to trade it for a stake in a lucrative deal I have going with the Nigerian Finance Minister?

Oh, I dont know. I'm currently managing my brooklyn bridge portfolio along with the European Lottery winnings I should be receiving very soon.

re: #220 pre-Boomer Marine brat

It's just a classic which I thought you might enjoy.

Well, yes, but it would have been better with a cat

JK!

It took far more talent in old movies because there were standards they were held to.

And for you, dear pre-Boomer Marine brat:

[Link: ihasahotdog.com...]

re: #221 jcm

and a great big hello to the Pewwjit Sound!

re: #221 jcm

{GotC!}

{jcm!}

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Where?

Walter in Golden, Co.

send you name, address, phone number, bank account number, 401K codes, and a current mastercard to me and I will tell you. Its in a pretty remote place

re: #225 goddessoftheclassroom

{jcm!}

I have a new definition for fun....
Camping with 3 kids under 5!

where'd everyone go? my beach house?

re: #227 jcm

I have a new definition for fun....
Camping with 3 kids under 5!

been there, done that
sans hubby.

ever get a 3 yr old out from between two rocks he decided to climb?

OT Rant

Sorry for this off-topic rant but I just saw an interesting headline pop-up on my Google taskbar that I had to vent on:

Upshot of War on Terror: America Financially Collapses, Arabs Own Entire World

Being a sucker I followed the link to a post at the Wired Blogs:

[Link: blog.wired.com...]

The blog post is based on an article that I don't terribly disagree with, which basically states that oil prices will likely remain high and force the transfer of trillions in wealth to the Arab world. In some ways the quoted article is a validation of what is wrong with Western liberalism (as well as our slow-to-act government).

The outrageous part is the title: "Upshot of War on Terror:". I'm assuming that this is some form of sarcasm that only a raving moonbat could comprehend. I was hoping the author could explain how the war on terror is the cause of all this, but for some reason passes at this opportunity. I'm really not sure why....maybe it's because the article he quotes explains that the price is a result of "long run changes in supply and demand".

At least the headline is eye-catching.

Is it required for one to be a stark raving leftist idiotarian to blog at Wired.com?

re: #223 goddessoftheclassroom

Well, yes, but it would have been better with a cat

JK!

It took far more talent in old movies because there were standards they were held to.

And for you, dear pre-Boomer Marine brat:

[Link: ihasahotdog.com...]

THANK you! I've been wondering if there was a LOLdog site out there.
{goddess}

re: #227 jcm

I have a new definition for fun....
Camping with 3 kids under 5!

No, that's insanity...

(but good for you! :) )

re: #229 Eowyn2

been there, done that
sans hubby.

ever get a 3 yr old out from between two rocks he decided to climb?

Braver than I!
The little girl, 19 months, tasted nature.... literally.

The boys discovered tree climbing, beach combing, sunburn, and sand in their shorts.

re: #227 jcm

I have a new definition for fun....
Camping with 3 kids under 5!

You're still sane?!?

/disbelief

re: #234 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You're still sane?!?

/disbelief

Sanity went out the door with the foster care license!
;-P

re: #233 jcm

leaves of three let them be.
if it rattles, it hasnt struck yet
kids are "wash and wear"

re: #235 jcm

Sanity went out the door with the foster care license!
;-P

LOL!
/but still, you are blessed among men ... seriously

FOR anyone who did not see in the spin-offs, take a look at the one about the Iranian students protesting.

It was pretty interesting.

re: #216 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Well, goddess (who is probably lurking with a catty remark) is a VERRRY young person.

/preemptive attack

54 here, but think I can still keep up with my kids...a cocktail for disaster.

re: #237 pre-Boomer Marine brat

LOL!
/but still, you are blessed among men ... seriously

No, he's punished with babies! Terribly punished!

/Obamathink

re: #204 doppelganglander

LOL! Not me.
Must be a moonbat. I would sue a newspaper but not for layoffs.

re: #236 Eowyn2

leaves of three let them be.
if it rattles, it hasnt struck yet
kids are "wash and wear"

That's what I tell the wife... Let 'em play, hose 'em off.
I'm cruel, stuck in a tree, "you got up there, get down like you got up." Mostly they figure it out.

re: #239 jorline

54 here, but think I can still keep up with my kids...a cocktail for disaster.

young person

re: #201 Kosh's Shadow

Will NOI be involved?

No joking aside, I fully expect it.

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

young person

;)

re: #228 Eowyn2

where'd everyone go? my beach house?

Yep. Where's the key to the liquor cabinet?

re: #242 jcm

Mostly they figure it out.

and better for it

re: #242 jcm

That's what I tell the wife... Let 'em play, hose 'em off.

We had "Make a mess day."

Shaving cream, silly string, mentos and diet coke. It was great. It was outside.

Then, they gots the hose.

Had the 9/11 attacks been thwarted, you can bet that Mohammed Atta's attorneys would be asking for the same thing.

re: #246 Occasional Reader

Yep. Where's the key to the liquor cabinet?

under the bathroom rug. left hand corner. I know no one else will ever find it:)

When I realized what Mohammed was asking for, I was briefly dazed

"Yeah, we get that a lot".

-The ROP

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

Had the 9/11 attacks been thwarted, you can bet that Mohammed Atta's attorneys would be asking for the same thing.

Hear hear!

re: #242 jcm

That's what I tell the wife... Let 'em play, hose 'em off.
I'm cruel, stuck in a tree, "you got up there, get down like you got up." Mostly they figure it out.

My favorite line

"if you're gonna fight, you better draw blood"

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

Had the 9/11 attacks been thwarted, you can bet that Mohammed Atta's attorneys would be asking for the same thing.

You always know how to get to the meat of the matter. Upding.

re: #242 jcm

That's what I tell the wife... Let 'em play, hose 'em off.
I'm cruel, stuck in a tree, "you got up there, get down like you got up." Mostly they figure it out.

YOU MADE THEM THINK - SHAME ON YOU

ooo - new thread

re: #253 Eowyn2

My favorite line

"if you're gonna fight, you better draw blood"

No blood, no bandaids! Every owie the want a bandaid.

re: #80 Spider Mensch

not quite old enough for vietnam era. I was on it 86 to 89..right up to decomissioning.

Hey I was on the Midway then. Fun times in Westpac.

re: #109 quickjustice

Let me see if I understand this.

Engage in extremely provocative behavior to trigger airline security procedures. Take careful notes of those procedures, and report them to your Al Qaeda contacts. Plan ways around those procedures using the information you've just collected.

Then sue the airlines for discrimination, and take home a multi-million dollar jury award, courtesy of the airlines and their passengers. And get Barack Obama to defend you, and attack airline discrimination against innocent Muslims, on national TV.

Sweet.

America!  What a land of opportunity!

}:)     [No more of this slipping on a wet patch of floor crap, now the big times!]

re: #36 jcm

Deep pockets may be a secondary objective. I still think it was, a) a security probe / recon, b) create an incident that would cause airline security to back off on folks flying while middle eastern.

I concur. I can't think of any other reason to create a incident, act suspicious, request SB extenders that are not needed, until you get removed. Then sue to find out why you got kicked off.

re: #249 Ward Cleaver

Had the 9/11 attacks been thwarted, you can bet that Mohammed Atta's attorneys would be asking for the same thing.

Real-world confirmation of that.

Customs officer Jose Melendez-Perez stopped the 20th terrorist, who was supposed to be on Flight 93 that crashed in Pennsylvania. Probably because of the short-handed muscle on that team, the passengers were able to overcome the terrorists.

Melendez-Perez did this at great personal risk, because his colleagues and his supervisors told him, "You can't do this. This guy is an Arab ethnic. You're racially profiling. You're going to get in real trouble, because it's against Department of Transportation policy to racially profile." He said, "I don't care. This guy's a bad guy. I can see it in his eyes."

re: #257 jcm

No blood, no bandaids! Every owie the want a bandaid.

The Flesh-toned Badge of Preferential Treatment

Oh, now I get it. 9/11 was just a publicity stunt, they never meant to harm a hair on anyone else's head. It was just such a misunderstanding. Thanks for clearing that up.

If this Magistrate allows these plaintiffs to obtain this information, the Magistrate should be fired and then brought up on charges as an enemy combatant and hauled to Afghanistan (definitely not Guantanamo) for life. The only thing sorrier that I've heard a Court permitting, was during the 93 WTC bombing trial, the Court actually allowing the defendants to obtain sig intel,who then informed OBL how he was being tracked, and natch, that resource dried up instantaneously. Sometimes one don't have to wonder that the Constitution they swore an oath of office to defend was OBL's and not the US. I cannot for the life of me figure out how this lawsuit made it past the dismissal motion phase into discovery. That alone should have led to impeachment of the judge and her lifetime imprisonment as an enemy agent.

re: #103 Kosh's Shadow

Over the line, Kosh, IMHO.