zombie,

Thanks for your hard work.

zombie!
ROCKS!

Real, errr undead, journalism!

Zombie, you are my hero. Don't stop digging into the slime that is the socialist agenda. They are pervasive and determined and will stop at nothing.

I have absolute faith that the ninth circuit court of appeals will fail the American people utterly and completely.

Eegad, Zombie! This is your most horrifying freakshow yet, what with the Ninth Circus inJustices imaged in their very lair and the detestable Jon Eisenberg caught right out in public.

Oh crap! I am one of those a**holes now. Sucks to believe in ID.

Why do some in this country think that it is noble and good to tie the hands and gouge out the eyes of our intelligence gathering capabilities? And, why do these same people think they are oh so patriotic and doing everyone a favor when they elevate the scum of the earth to some kind of hero status for their "suffering"? I get the feel that some people in this country, wrapped up in some kind of pseudo sense of warped justice, think that stopping the US Government from defending it's citizens is something worthy and right. Where do these people come from?

I do not want a government running amok and watching me like Big Brother. On the other hand, I do not want the ACLU and their ilk leaving us way more exposed than we should be...

re: #6 VegasRick

Oh crap! I am one of those a**holes now. Sucks to believe in ID.

Do ya?

ALL HAIL ZOMBIE!

thank you, Zombie . I always enjoy and appreciate your work.

Z!

(and we don't mean Zorro)

re: #8 opnion

Do ya?

Had enough on the last thread.

Wow, the treatment of one side vs. the other by the media, as they came out of the courtroom was astonishing. The AT&T guys, and the prosecution, totally ignored- the defense attorney was surrounded immediately and just fawned over. Ridiculous...

/media bias? What media bias?

Wow, even a great report like Zombie's here won't end the discussion on the back thread.

Have fun all, maybe see ya in the AM.

Save our Lounge! SOL SOL!

Perhaps someone could enlighten me:

Aren't foreign nationals on US soil here solely as guests of, and at the pleasure of, the State Department?

And, as such, they do not enjoy the benefits of the Bill of Rights?

Don't they have only the right to return home safely?

Here is the discussion over at the Volokh Conspiracy about FISA and sunsetting... this all could become very difficult to follow... it will be interesting to see how the 9th circuit rules.

Magnificient effort Zombie, that's going to be a page referenced for years and years to come. Well thought and reasoned, well referenced and well written. Hat's off to you.

I'm also happy that you came to some of the same conclusions I did since the case is complex.

It still leaves hanging the full question of Constitutional presidential powers when it comes to foreign surveillance in a modern networked age.

Charles could you perhaps change the link to (or add a link to) just the update? It's here:

http://www.zombietime.com/al-haramain_surveillance /#july08update

Thanks.

Holy moly. I'll set that one aside for Thursday.

Good report.

My favorite part was the pictorial contrast of media interest in the lawyer's views.

Because it's always fun to have your prejudices confirmed.

Well done, Zombie.

Methinks Charles just updated the JavaScript.

re: #18 freetoken

Here is the discussion over at the Volokh Conspiracy about FISA and sunsetting... this all could become very difficult to follow... it will be interesting to see how the 9th circuit rules.

Nice link! I'll add that to the end of the update now.

Thanks, Zombie. I added it to my favorites. Great job!

re: #20 zombie

Charles could you perhaps change the link to (or add a link to) just the update? It's here:

http://www.zombietime.com/al-haramain_su rveillance/#july08update

Thanks.

I think it's better to link to the beginning, because a lot of people will be confused if I link to the middle of that post and they don't know the full story. Maybe you could post a link at the start of the article that says, "If you already know the background, click here for the latest news" ... ?

For all the shitty decisions the 9th Circuit has made, it seems so odd that they have such a beautiful courthouse....That is the first time I have actually seen the vaunted halls of that court.

re: #28 Desert Dog

For all the shitty decisions the 9th Circuit has made, it seems so odd that they have such a beautiful courthouse....That is the first time I have actually seen the vaunted halls of that court.

Style over substance

re: #18 freetoken

Here is the discussion over at the Volokh Conspiracy about FISA and sunsetting... this all could become very difficult to follow... it will be interesting to see how the 9th circuit rules.

OK, I've added this sentence near the end:

The Volokh Conspiracy has a good post about the intentionally obfuscatory media cooverage of the FISA vote, and what ramifications it does or does not have.

Thanks!

re: #20 zombie

My eyes are really going to hell - I'm having a terrible time with the text, even when I clicked to enlarge.

re: #27 Charles

I think it's better to link to the beginning, because a lot of people will be confused if I link to the middle of that post and they don't know the full story. Maybe you could post a link at the start of the article that says, "If you already know the background, click here for the latest news" ... ?

I'll do that now.

You inspire me, a lesser mortal.

Thanks!

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I love the venue, hate the "home team".

re: #31 Dianna

My eyes are really going to hell - I'm having a terrible time with the text, even when I clicked to enlarge.

It's unbelievably dense, I realize that. An almost impenetrable report.

re: #13 gop_patriot

Wow, the treatment of one side vs. the other by the media, as they came out of the courtroom was astonishing. The AT&T guys, and the prosecution, totally ignored- the defense attorney was surrounded immediately and just fawned over. Ridiculous...

/media bias? What media bias?

Just once, I'd like to hear of a lawyer who takes verbal exception to his treatment by the judge, pointing out that if the lawyer addressed the judge in such a manner, the lawyer would be held in contempt of court.

"Contempt of court? Well, if this court weren't acting so contemptibly..."

Would it be too soon to point out that under President Obama, law enforcement would need to wait until a terrorist attack actually occurred before doing anything like this?

Because after all, the WOT should actully be a matter for the criminal court system. And you can't do anything until the crime actually happens.

re: #35 zombie

So it's not just that I need new glasses, huh?

/

re: #35 zombie

Zombie,

Those rulings are like splitting tick hairs.

Beyond nuance.

re: #39 unclassifiable

Zombie,

Those rulings are like splitting tick hairs.

Beyond nuance bullshit.

There, fixed that for you

re: #17 victor_yugo

Aren't foreign nationals on US soil here solely as guests of, and at the pleasure of, the State Department?

And, as such, they do not enjoy the benefits of the Bill of Rights?

Don't they have only the right to return home safely?

Lawhawk is far more qualified to answer this than I, but it is my understanding that by custom and probably by precedent, the Bill of Rights applies to everyone in the US.

re: #27 Charles

I think it's better to link to the beginning, because a lot of people will be confused if I link to the middle of that post and they don't know the full story. Maybe you could post a link at the start of the article that says, "If you already know the background, click here for the latest news" ... ?

OK, I've now added this right at the top:

[UPDATE, July 2008:]

[If you've already read this report in 2007 and just want to see the new information contained in the update posted here on July 15, 2008, click here to jump directly to the update section.]

re: #42 zombie

As always, it's very well organized. It's all the other material I read today that's doing me in.

People do truly evil things to get their requests down to the two-page limit and still include heart-tugging anecdotes. My eyes do not appreciate it by the end of the day.

re: #42 zombie

Thank you, Zombie. :) I just sent Charles' link to a friend of mine, and she hadn't heard very much about it, and will be passing it along to friends and family. There are likely quite a few people out there who don't know about this story and will benefit from reading your article from the top.

Fantastic report, btw. Keep up the good work!

Thanks Zombie!

Wow Zombie.

I am going to have to read that again, quite a bit to digest.

The msm should hang their heads in shame.

Tremendous.

re: #19 Thanos

Magnificient effort Zombie, that's going to be a page referenced for years and years to come. Well thought and reasoned, well referenced and well written. Hat's off to you.

I'm also happy that you came to some of the same conclusions I did since the case is complex.

Thanks. I still get emails about it all the time, even before I posted this update. There is really a lot of interest in the topic. And not just in the US, but around the world. A lot emails come from Europe, etc. I put a ton of work into it -- I'm glad it's became a touchstone! A journalism professor even once wrote to say that if this had been published in a mainstream publication, it'd merit serious Pulitzer consideration. Not so sure about that, but maybe it will serve to keep the mainstream "investigative reporters" running scared!

It's almost impossible to cut through the fog in this case. Everyone who writes about it has some sort of agenda.

This page will serve as both a first-person account

History will salute you for it.

Proof that a dead guy gal guy gal beats the lame agenda driven hollywood pimple popping press.

re: #47 zombie

maybe it will serve to keep the mainstream "investigative reporters" running scared!

Most of them don't have brains enough to know they should be scared.

re: #50 victor_yugo

Most of them don't have brains enough to know they should be scared.

Whats to be scared of? They're "Professional Journalists".

/snicker

ALMOST wish edwards was right about there being two Americas one for Americans and one for liberals/leftists. I am sick of watching liberals drilling holes in there end of the boat.

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Whats to be scared of? They're "Professional Journalists".

/snicker

I'm a highly trained professional also, and if I had a buck for every time I f$#$@* up, I could buy a cuppa for everyone who has posted a comment so far. And I'd still have enough left for a trip to McDonald's.

re: #14 VegasRick

Wow, even a great report like Zombie's here won't end the discussion on the back thread.

There's another thread going? I've been too busy to even look at the LGF front page!

I suspect it's an evolution thread.

re: #52 yochanan

LOL well said, that saying fits perfectly with what the leftists are doing.

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

Holy moly. I'll set that one aside for Thursday.

I think you need a month of Thursdays just to read it.

re: #52 yochanan

ALMOST wish edwards was right about there being two Americas one for Americans and one for liberals/leftists. I am sick of watching liberals drilling holes in there end of the boat.

Whatever you do, don't shoot at them. It only makes more holes in the boat.

I don't see any pictures of freaks.

Great Job Zombie ! It is a really good report and very informative, and I especially liked the way you put it in terms for me to understand easily what is/was going on in this case.

re: #28 Desert Dog

For all the shitty decisions the 9th Circuit has made, it seems so odd that they have such a beautiful courthouse....That is the first time I have actually seen the vaunted halls of that court.

It's the first time anyone's seen them: cameras are verboten inside. I sneaked the photos. (Shhhhhhhhhhh!)

re: #30 zombie

It is so easy to get confused over the whole thing... its getting hard to decipher what any given "win" in a court case really means.

re: #56 zombie

I'm prepping for a colonoscopy. It will seem like a month of Thursdays.

Was that out loud?

re: #60 zombie

It's the first time anyone's seen them: cameras are verboten inside. I sneaked the photos. (Shhhhhhhhhhh!)

Uh oh.

re: #33 crimsonfisted

You inspire me, a lesser mortal.

You're a mortal? You mean, all you people are mortals?

Well, that explains everything.

re: #64 zombie

Oh that's right, you're undead.

/snicker

re: #58 Racer X

I don't see any pictures of freaks.

What lawyers and journalist don't cut it?

You're just angling to see Mr. Inflatable aren't you.

re: #62 Noam Sayin'

I'm prepping for a colonoscopy.

My doctored referred to that as "being wired for cable".

Good Evening Lizards! It was another hot one again in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

Josh Grobin just sang the National Anthem on the baseball game my family is watching. He did an excellent job.

How are you-all and drinks for zombie!

zombie, all the fresh coffee you want, on me.

re: #57 victor_yugo

only if you miss

re: #60 zombie

You Da Man, Zombie!

One does not need to read and re-read Zombie's excellent summation of this absurdity: one needs only to read the broad history of the past 1300 years and the narrow history of the past 50 years to draw any meaningful conclusion.

History has, indeed, come full circle. Is there no Cato in our midst? Is there no one in the corridors of power who will say that which the politically correct classes refrain from saying but the sensible among us have finally drawn the courage to say?

Islamo delenda est.

re: #70 Desert Dog

do the undead have gender?

re: #62 Noam Sayin'

I'm prepping for a colonoscopy. It will seem like a month of Thursdays.

Was that out loud?

I had one of those. The stuff I had to drink tasted like dish soap.

OK, I've got to go make dinner; hungry mouths are calling.

Thanks for the feedback, everyone!

re: #72 ggt

do the undead have gender?

You Da Person.....it just not sound the same.....

re: #62 Noam Sayin'

Oh, dear. Take care.

Try to look forward to it being over.

re: #64 zombie

You're a mortal? You mean, all you people are mortals?

Well, that explains everything.

A strange guy I used to know on my local dial-up BBSs used to have in his signature file the quote:

"You're only immortal once, then you're spoken for."

I dunno if he's the one that came up with that, or if he got that quote from somewhere... and a quick Google doesn't bring it up. :-|

re: #60 zombie

Sounds more and more like a real Star Chamber.

And their enablers in the MSM whine about GWB taking away rights.

Morons.

Zombie -

Fantastic report!

You, Charles and other Lizards are a treasure to this country.

OT

Some Stress Relief of all of you out there in LFGland that had a hard day

re: #76 Dianna

I'm looking forward to it in the one small regard that the doctor's nurses are total babes.

you guys have got to see this one

CNN is boasting that the rescue operation in Columbia that freed the Americans after 5 years was in violation of the Geneva Conventions and a possible 'war crime'.

pathetic reporting from CNN, IMO.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #81 Noam Sayin'

Like my dentist in California.

And her office manager.

And two of her assistants.

And somehow I managed to greet them all in their native tongues: Spanish, Cantonese, and Farsi.

They really, really liked me there. ;-)

This may all be completely moot. I don't think there may be all that much time left in this civilization anyway. And no, I don't think Islamafascism will have much to do with the end, either. (Think Book of Revelations)

re: #81 Noam Sayin'

I'm looking forward to it in the one small regard that the doctor's nurses are total babes.

Aside from the hot nurses, you might be the butt of a few jokes for a couple of days...

;-P

Just to add one thing on the CNN story above,

Did the CNN reporters fail to remember the use by the Palestinians driving Red Cresent Vans that were running weapons and troops around Gaza and the West Bank.....?

re: #80 Desert Dog

That was fun. Thanks!
who in the world would possibly want to punch Rosie?
/sarc

//OMG Carrot Top and Michael Jackson, aaiiieeeee!

re: #81 Noam Sayin'

Oh, then it's all good!

Total babes will have seen the process. Performed on you.

What could possibly be the downside?

(I am teasing, hopefully very mildly)

re: #60 zombie

It's the first time anyone's seen them: cameras are verboten inside. I sneaked the photos. (Shhhhhhhhhhh!)

Now you're really going to piss them off ... nice work Zom.

Good night lizards and belated congratulations to zombie for wading through these proceedings to get the truth.

re: #75 Desert Dog

You're right.

re: #84 NomadOfNorad

This may all be completely moot. I don't think there may be all that much time left in this civilization anyway. And no, I don't think Islamafascism will have much to do with the end, either. (Think Book of Revelations)

Steady there, Nomad. The Apocalypse of St. John is some pretty heavy reading and the prudent Christian is well advised to tread cautiously among its prophetical thickets. As I recall, the Carpenter said that NO ONE knows when the time will come.

re: #82 ruddoj

you guys have got to see this one

CNN is boasting that the rescue operation in Columbia that freed the Americans after 5 years was in violation of the Geneva Conventions and a possible 'war crime'.

pathetic reporting from CNN, IMO.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

As I understand it, since they didn't shoot anyone, I don't think that qualifies. It certainly was a mission of mercy, anyway.

the last line in the CNN story MIGHT be another WAR CRIME!

Before the departure of the operation, two soldiers in camouflage uniforms can be seen on the farm where the helicopters were staged, chasing a chicken and stunning it with a stun gun.

I wonder if the UN is going to spring into action on this horrific international incident?

OT: Breaking: CNN springs into action: Launches massive investigation of bib with a cross in hostage rescue. Says war crime may have been committed.

CNN

BOGOTA, Colombia (CNN) -- Colombian military intelligence used the Red Cross emblem in a rescue operation in which leftist guerrillas were duped into handing over 15 hostages, according to unpublished photographs and video viewed by CNN.

What seems to be part of a red cross is seen on a bib worn by a man involved in the rescue in this official image.

Photographs of the Colombian military intelligence-led team that spearheaded the rescue, shown to CNN by a confidential military source, show one man wearing a bib with the Red Cross symbol. The military source said the three photos were taken moments before the mission took off to persuade the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia rebels to release the hostages to a supposed international aid group for transport to another rebel area.

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a "war crime" under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law and could endanger humanitarian workers in the future, according to international legal expert Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

"It is clear that the conventions are very strict regarding use of the symbol because of what it represents: impartiality, neutrality. The fear is that any misuse of the symbol would weaken that neutrality and would weaken the [Red Cross]," Ellis said.

"If you use the emblem in a deceitful way, generally the conventions say it would be a breach. [Based on the information as explained to me,] the way that the images show the Red Cross emblem being used could be distinguished as a war crime, " he added.

The unpublished video and photos of the mission, hailed internationally as a daring success, were shown to CNN by a military source looking to sell the material. CNN declined to buy the material at the price being asked; it was therefore unable to verify the authenticity of the images.

Colombian President Alvaro Uribe and his top generals have categorically denied that international humanitarian symbols were used in the July 2 rescue mission that freed the prized hostages, who included former presidential candidate Ingrid Betancourt, three U.S. military contractors and 11 Colombian police and soldiers.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re: #86 ruddoj

But that was completely different!

/extreme, dripping sarcasm.

re: #93 Dianna

Are they (CNN) seriously arguing that it was unfair to trick kidnappers? Bizarre.

Zombie.... YOU ROCK!

I wish there was a way to condense all the information available on your site (and LGF) and just force feed it to all my friends.... unfortunately, there is so much to take in that only people who really have an interest in learning more will take the time to read it all.

Thanks Zombie, and Charles, and the many other blogs, bloggers, and citizen journalists out there who keep this information available and readily accessible on the net.

re: #94 ruddoj

Before the departure of the operation, two soldiers in camouflage uniforms can be seen on the farm where the helicopters were staged, chasing a chicken and stunning it with a stun gun.

Thank Heaven they weren't choking the chicken.

re: #94 ruddoj

Oh, for heaven's sake! So?

re: #97 jaunte

Are they (CNN) seriously arguing that it was unfair to trick kidnappers? Bizarre.

And they admit the video may be fake !

re: #97 jaunte

Are they (CNN) seriously arguing that it was unfair to trick kidnappers? Bizarre.

Yep, It's not fair for the Good Guys to use the Red Cross symbol. Only the brave freedom fighters from Gaza and the West Bank can use the Red Crescent!

/sarc

re: #94 ruddoj

the last line in the CNN story MIGHT be another WAR CRIME!

I wonder if the UN is going to spring into action on this horrific international incident?

This is massive !

re: #101 ted

I hope if the video ever comes out, that they've misidentified a Che t-shirt.

re: #97 jaunte

The article reads that way. I feel that, since it was a mission of mercy, and someone on the ground had to be in on it, that the Red Cross doesn't really have any reason to be peeved.

re: #95 ted

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a "war crime" under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law and could endanger humanitarian workers in the future, according to international legal expert Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

As far as I know FARC neither signed nor obliges by the Geneva Convention so the rules don't apply to them. Same goes for the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

re: #94 ruddoj

the last line in the CNN story MIGHT be another WAR CRIME!

I wonder if the UN is going to spring into action on this horrific international incident?

CNN and the UN are war criminals.

The rest is self-explanatory.

re: #94 ruddoj

the last line in the CNN story MIGHT be another WAR CRIME!

I wonder if the UN is going to spring into action on this horrific international incident?

This could be bigger than Nuremberg !

re: #105 Dianna

CNN extending the falsehood that the rules bind only the stronger party.

re: #106 Killgore Trout

As far as I know FARC neither signed nor obliges by the Geneva Convention so the rules don't apply to them. Same goes for the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Exactly.

re: #95 ted

Please note the differences: first, it was "a portion of what appeared to be a red cross". Later, it was asserted that a red cross could be seen on the bib of a soldier.

Personally, I think that only the astute reader, conditioned - as we have been - to read skeptically, would catch that little change.

... and Al-Haramain gets a Jewish lawyer.

Only in America. Unfortunately.

re: #109 jaunte

Indeed!

re: #110 ted

The extension of the Geneva Convention to organizations who don't oblige to it and the extension of constitutional rights to non-citizens are both examples of one way multiculturalism. It's insanity but it's where we're headed.

re: #114 Killgore Trout

Could you re-read what Ted posted, and check my read?

re: #106 Killgore Trout

It is truly amazing, especially given that the msm's own staff are often abducted, abused, and not given anything of the sorts when it comes to convention rights, they still carry the water for them.

It just blows my mind.

re: #114 Killgore Trout

The extension of the Geneva Convention to organizations who don't oblige to it and the extension of constitutional rights to non-citizens are both examples of one way multiculturalism. It's insanity but it's where we're headed.

It is also a sure fired way to destroy both.

re: #117 Da_Beerfreak

Without reciprocity, there can be no "laws of war". A brutal point, but one that needs to be made.

re: #116 formercorpsman

It is truly amazing, especially given that the msm's own staff are often abducted, abused, and not given anything of the sorts when it comes to convention rights, they still carry the water for them. It just blows my mind.

Why should it be amazing and why does it blow your mind? Did you just awaken from a coma?

Excellent report, zombie! I skipped the links and just read your observations - I was able to grasp what was going on very easily. What’s truly fascinating is the section Media Behavior After The Hearing.

I would love to have someone try to tell me that the media doesn't have a liberal agenda after seeing those photos. Pathetic and yet completely unsurprising.

re: #115 Dianna

I think They're just covering their butts. The symbol might have been an exact copy or a close facsimile but they don't have a full pic. I don't think it changes the fact that the symbol was intended to deceive the terrorists that the rescuers were from the Red Cross. It was an integral part of the ruse and I would expect no less. Good for them.

re: #119 NemoParticularis

The rhetorical suicidal nature of it all.

Speaking of liberals and laws n' stuff, it looks like DC is just begging to get sued again following Heller. Their "interim gun laws" for handguns are just as restrictive as the ones that were struck down for shotguns and rifles. (E.g. have to keep the weapon locked while in the home.) So, now DC taxpayers will doubtless get to shell out hundreds of thousands in legal fees for the city to get its ass handed to it again in Federal court.

re: #119 NemoParticularis

As for the coma, no.

re: #121 Killgore Trout

Oh, I agree entirely about the "Good for them".

I don't actually understand what CNN thinks they're getting out of this, particularly after they admitted that the footage can't be authenticated.

re: #120 tedzilla99

Excellent report, zombieI would love to have someone try to tell me that the media doesn't have a liberal agenda after seeing those photos.

Easy enough: simply watch CNN, MSNBC or any of the netowrk channels or read the NY Times or LA Times. They will explain very carefully how objective they are. Just ask Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews.

re: #122 formercorpsman

The rhetorical suicidal nature of it all.

Your second comment indicates that you were not in a coma, whiich I suspected. Apologies for the snark. Your moniker indicates that you are Marine. Yes?

Dianna,

I am trying to point to the absolute absurdity that the CNN story portrays freeing hostages as a possible war crime.

Tricking kidnappers and rescuing hostages is not close to being a war crime.....no matter what those that liberated the hostages had to do.

the CNN story oozes with the hope that somehow, someday, an International Court will rule that the hostages must be returned to the FARC 'rebels' since they were tricked by the military of Columbia....and those that rescued the hostages will be thrown into prison for war crimes.

CNN should be very embarassed it even posted this weak story.....

re: #92 NemoParticularis

Steady there, Nomad. The Apocalypse of St. John is some pretty heavy reading and the prudent Christian is well advised to tread cautiously among its prophetical thickets. As I recall, the Carpenter said that NO ONE knows when the time will come.

On the other hand, there are those prophecies elsewhere in the Good Book that state that the generation that is alive when the dry bones are brought to life and when the figtree begins to bud, that that generation will not pass away before the end of the age occurs.

In other words, the Coming of the Lord will come within the lifetimes of those that witnessed the Kingdom of Israel being reborn. We are coming up very fast on the upper limits of the lifespan of those that would have been alive in 1947 and/or 1967, whichever one of these monumental times in the history of Israel this prophecy was referring to.

re: #127 NemoParticularis

Well no.

The USMC is a department of the USN.

The Corps does have certain members of the Navy who serve with them, and function as an adjunct to their mission, specifically medical.

Spent most of my time around the Corps.

Frankly, if I had been in charge of the Colombian operation, I'd have called in a fucking airstrike on the LZ once the hostages and commandos were safely away, to kill all the FARC left on the ground.

Oh brother.

I wish I had a dollar for every "End Times" prophecy that proved false. Please.

re: #82 ruddoj

you guys have got to see this one

CNN is boasting that the rescue operation in Columbia that freed the Americans after 5 years was in violation of the Geneva Conventions and a possible 'war crime'.

pathetic reporting from CNN, IMO.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Funny, I don't remember them reporting this war crime:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

re: #128 ruddoj

Oh, I saw your intent, and agree with it - I'm just really angry.

I suspect that CNN was chosen as the outlet because the National Enquirer was too skeptical.

re: #106 Killgore Trout

As far as I know FARC neither signed nor obliges by the Geneva Convention so the rules don't apply to them. Same goes for the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

The Colombians were not in violation of the Convention even if did apply to the terrorists.

Anyone who has ever been in the military, or has even seen a reasonable amount of authentic combat video, will know that military medical personnel are permitted to wear the Red Cross as part of their uniforms.
Similarly, the Geneva Conventions specify that unarmed aircraft used for the evacuation of casualties (and the hostages were clearly in need of medical attention) may be marked with the Red Cross. The use of threats, force, or tactical deception to prevent interference with a lawful attempt to evacuate sick or wounded is, itself, perfectly lawful.

12 August 1949.
Chapter III : Medical units and establishments
ARTICLE 22
The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19:

(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.

(2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort.

The media are the enemy.

re: #129 NomadOfNorad

In other words, the Coming of the Lord will come within the lifetimes of those that witnessed the Kingdom of Israel being reborn. We are coming up very fast on the upper limits of the lifespan of those that would have been alive in 1947 and/or 1967, whichever one of these monumental times in the history of Israel this prophecy was referring to.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. God alone knows. Be mindful, therefore, of your own house, lest the Lord return and find you unprepared.

As for the rest of the world...you needn't be concerned. On that dreadful day of the Lord YOU and only YOU will be judged for that which You have done or not done in thought, word and deed.

which one of these would any of us consider the true WAR CRIME?

The hostages had endured years of harsh captivity and deprivation in jungle camps since being captured or kidnapped. Some were held for as long as 10 years.

OR

Misuse of the Red Cross emblem is governed by articles 37, 38 and 85 of Additional Protocol One to the Geneva Conventions, the international rules of war. The articles prohibit "feigning of protected status by the use of ... emblems" of neutral parties and say that such misuses are considered breaches of international humanitarian law that qualify as a "war crime."

trying to place 'rules' and 'protocols' and 'laws' on and in warfare is making us all less safe.....and is making our enemy stronger.

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Yes, you are correct.

We used to call them a bullseye.

Sniper looks for the symbol, decreases platoon capability exponentially.

Also they guy with they antennae on his back.

No more air strikes.

re: #130 formercorpsman

Spent most of my time around the Corps.

Good enough for me. God bless ye, sir. Don't surprised at any of the self destructive dreck that oozes from the MSM. Their hatred of America is no surprise to anyone who has paid close attention to them.

re: #136 NemoParticularis

Be mindful, therefore, of your own house, lest the Lord return and find you unprepared.

I knew I should have vacuumed.

re: #139 NemoParticularis

Thanks, I will be more discerning.

re: #132 Charles

Oh brother. I wish I had a dollar for every "End Times" prophecy that proved false. Please.

Me too. Although the phenomena recorded at Fatima in Portugal certainly does give pause.

re: #135 Shiplord Kirel

Thank you.

re: #142 NemoParticularis

Me too. Although the phenomena recorded at Fatima in Portugal certainly does give pause.

Maybe it gives you pause. It gives me heartburn and a headache.

re: #136 NemoParticularis

Perhaps. Perhaps not. God alone knows. Be mindful, therefore, of your own house, lest the Lord return and find you unprepared.

As for the rest of the world...you needn't be concerned. On that dreadful day of the Lord YOU and only YOU will be judged for that which You have done or not done in thought, word and deed.

Yup. And some people should be trembling in their boots over that prospect, but are too full of themselves to accept the possibility that that judgment might be for real.

Me, though, I'm looking forward to the complete reboot this civilization will experience immediately after the end of the current age, about on a par with wiping Windoze off the hard drive and installing some brilliant new, mean-and-lean OS on it.

re: #140 Occasional Reader

I knew I should have vacuumed.

Heh...an oft-overlooked subtext of Mosaic law, later reiterated by Jesus of Nazareth: "Be ye therefore vigilantly tidy and thy house thoroughly swept, lest I find dust bunnies in thy midst."

re: #137 ruddoj

Unless there is reciprocity, you are correct.

re: #144 Charles

Maybe it gives you pause. It gives me heartburn and a headache.

Pray, tell Brother Charles.

re: #144 Charles

Maybe it gives you pause. It gives me heartburn and a headache.

Oh. I'm sorry.

This stuff doesn't stay in the ID threads, does it?

re: #145 NomadOfNorad

Yup. And some people should be trembling in their boots over that prospect, but are too full of themselves to accept the possibility that that judgment might be for real.

Indeed they will. But pay no heed. They will not be present on YOUR judgement day.

There is another relevant section that CNN did not bother to look up:

(Protocol I), 8 June 1977. Part III : Methods and means of warfare -- Combatant and prisoner-of-war status #Section I -- Methods and means of warfare

Article 37 -- Prohibition of perfidy
1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy:

(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;

(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;

(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and

(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.

2. Ruses of war are not prohibited. Such ruses are acts which are intended to mislead an adversary or to induce him to act recklessly but which infringe no rule of international law applicable in armed conflict and which are not perfidious because they do not invite the confidence of an adversary with respect to protection under that law. The following are examples of such ruses: the use of camouflage, decoys, mock operations and misinformation.

The medics in the rescue force were not feigning their Red Cross status, the evacuation helicopter was not feigning its right to show the Red Cross. The other ruses are not prohibited.

CNN needs a serious beat-down for this one. .

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel

Charles has an entire thread up about this - you need to post this 2 threads up.

re: #151 Shiplord Kirel

You need to move two threads up; I will copy your comment up there for you, but I think people miss it when it's under my name.

re: #95 ted

After all, FARC and their fine, upstanding buddies would never stoop so low as to doctor photos or anything, in hopes of generating just such a story

/Is it really necessary?

re: #132 Charles

Oh brother.

I wish I had a dollar for every "End Times" prophecy that proved false. Please.

The thing about prophesy is that it must be fulfilled exactly 100% to the letter, or it's not a valid prophesy. On the other hand, too often people DO misread, or for that matter completely overlook, the nature or the timing of the fulfillment of prophesy at the time one of them is about to be fulfilled, or they misjudge the timing (say, expect its fulfillment centuries before the appointed time), because they're connecting the dots all wrong or overlooking crucial details somewhere. But sooner or later the prophesies will be fulfilled, yet probably won't be recognized as such until after the fact, or while they're right in the middle of happening. Some will recognize it just before it happens, but most won't be looking, or will dismiss it when told about it, because they're not looking for it, or they're looking but have the details wrong and so can't see it even when looking right at it.

The upshot, of course, is that we always have to be prepared for the possibility it might happen today, while planning our actions as if it might still be ages into the future before it happens.

re: #155 NomadOfNorad

And then, of course, sometimes the prophecies are just wrong.

If you want to preach "end times," you're on your own. This viewpoint is absolutely not representative of LGF.

re: #157 Charles

If you want to preach "end times," you're on your own. This viewpoint is absolutely not representative of LGF.

We know that;

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220 Dates for the End of the world!

re: #156 Charles

And then, of course, sometimes the prophecies are just wrong.

If it's a genuine, divinely-given prophesy, it cannot be wrong. That doesn't mean, however, that any of us fallible humans are reading that prophesy anywhere close to correctly, though. And sometimes we get decoyed by false prophets, however, giving made-up prognostications that they've pulled out of thin air. I seriously doubt any of the prophecies given by the Bible are false, though. Only our interpretations might be wrong.

(And the slowness of the text entry system here is driving me nuts again...)

re: #157 Charles

re: #158 A Kiwi Infidel

Granted. :D

re: #159 HelloDare

220 Dates for the End of the world!

Like I said, it's possible to misread prophesies. It is only after the prophesied events have taken place that you can be 100% sure you've read the prophesies correctly. And sometimes even then you're not necessarily 100% sure. :-)

Prophecy will always be dismissed until the day it occurs. And then its too late.

In fact, take all this garbage about "end times" elsewhere, or you'll lose your accounts. I don't want it here.

re: #164 Charles

Sorry, Charles, didn't mean to anger you. All I was really trying to say was that whatever plans the Islamofascists might have, other factors are working against them. That doesn't mean of course, that we should rest and expect divine intervention to stop them.

Thanks for the excellent summary Zombie! I read through without clicking the links (for now), but still feel I've gotten a good grasp of what the case is about. I wasn't even aware of the trial, so I'm thankful Charles posted the thread to lead us there!

re: #165 NomadOfNorad

Sorry, Charles, didn't mean to anger you. All I was really trying to say was that whatever plans the Islamofascists might have, other factors are working against them. That doesn't mean of course, that we should rest and expect divine intervention to stop them.

I'm not angry. I just don't want "end times" talk on my blog.

(With apologies to The Doors)

This is the end
of "end times" on this blog.

Jesus is coming. Look busy.

re: #169 Sloppy

Jesus is coming. Look busy.

Heh!