columbia 1 cnn 0

CNN: FOAD, please.

It's only a war crime when eeevil America does it.

cresent news network hey cnn they weren't muslim

Let's send the perps to Club Gitmo where they can feast on fine cuisine, and live in the greatest climate in the Western Hemisphere.

White is black and black is white with liberals - and they would call that racist, too.

to CNN

to defeat terrorists (marxist or islamic) is a war crime in itself

No rules for FARC.

My God -- these leftist in the MSM are pure nitwits...how can we win with these people? Imagine this kind of reporting in WWII?

The selective outrage is getting tiresome.

But they violated the rules! The oh-so-important rules.
We can't be seen violating the rules.

Ohmyohmyohmy. Doesn't anyone care about the rules?

This is just nuts.

Everyone did notice that the expert they cited was quoted as saying, "if the incident was as related..." and that CNN can't authenticate the footage they purchased, right?

CNN is more despicable every day.

I don't like the Red Cross being misused, much like I don't like ambulances used to transport weapons and combatants.

The only thing that annoys me right now is that when terrorists use ambulances as a means to further their attempts to murder innocents, journalists ignore it.

but

When a soldier apparently wears it to rescue innocent people held by drug dealers, terrorists and murderers the press is up in arms.

Kind of makes you wonder what the journalists are sympathetic to, and which side they support in various struggles around the world.

Please, please let them decide to prosecute this "war crime." It would make their lunacy manifest to everyone.

People just love this rescue story and would be just totally offended by the war crimes claim. I'd be thrilled just to see this worked into the ending of one of the MANY movies that will be made about the rescue.

The unpublished video and photos of the mission, hailed internationally as a daring success, were shown to CNN by a military source looking to sell the material. CNN declined to buy the material at the price being asked; it was therefore unable to verify the authenticity of the images.

That's OK. Speculation trumps verification in my book.
;(

What about terrorists using the Red Crescent driving ambulances full of terrorists and things that blow up, and using hospitals for bases?
I have never heard of CNN being upset about that, but, then, I never listen to CNN on purpose.(Only accidentally, on occasion).

What seems to be part of a red cross is seen on a bib worn by a man involved in the rescue in this official image.

It's amazing what seems to pass for news these days.

re: #8 Richard Romano

the GENERAL SHERMAN rule applies here.

shoot all the reporters and get reports from hell the next morning

re: #14 solomonpanting

as long as it harms a western democratic (or struggling democratic) country

re: #13 Pythagoras

With what evidence? The footage cannot be authenticated, and was sold by an anonymous source.

CNN has wasted their money.

Fuck CNN!

If said soldier was a medic, which I'm sure they brought along, whats the problem. He certainly didn't identify himself as an ICRC representative.

Additionally, "war crimes" occur in wars between nation states - not internal police actions against narco-terrorists. At worst it was copyright infringement - which I understand the ICRC takes very seriously.

I foresee a strongly worded letter coming to the Columbian Embassy in Geneva, take cover.

Think of what the world would be like if there was CNN in World War II.

Ooooh, Ooooh, Mr. Koooterrr. Isn't Farc a terrorist group? therefore the Geneva Conventions don't apply to them!

/CNN morons.

I always get a full dose of CNN when I travel internationally, especially to Asia, where CNN International is frequently the only English speaking news on tv.

They really are unbelievable. I watch with a sick curiosity like driving past a car crash.

ha good for them if they did wear a redcross emblem, :thumbsup
that worked so well we need to send platoons of redcross emblem wearing men in to get the rest.

re: #17 yochanan

the GENERAL SHERMAN rule applies here.

shoot all the reporters and get reports from hell the next morning

I know you're kidding, yoch.

As far as I know the Geneva Convention is a reciprocal agreement between countries who signed and abide by it. Farc has not signed nor do they abide by the Geneva convention (Like the Taliban and Al Qaeda) so the rules don't apply. How much you wanna bet CNN's "expert" Mark Ellis is a leftists dusche bag?

re: #24 freedombilly

CNN international makes CNN look like Fox news on steroids

If a CNN staffer got kidnapped, they'd probably pay millions in ransom money. But for heaven sake, they wouldn't use a Red Cross truck.

re: #19 Dianna

With what evidence? The footage cannot be authenticated, and was sold by an anonymous source.

CNN has wasted their money.

I don't think CNN thinks it has wasted its money. Who cares if the footage can't be authenticated? CNN wants to discredit McCain in the public's mind - especially since he was in Columbia during the rescue - and will use any means to do it.

Film not authentic? I'd like to see anyone litigate that.

They can provide whatever content suits them, that's all that matters.

What next, will these terrorists want sccess to the US legal system too? Will we have to give our hostages back? George Bush took them unfairly! Karl Rove and Scooter Libby planned the whole thing when Karl visted Scooter in Jail, just to embarrass terrorists everywhere!
Impeach Bush!

/

I doubt the freed hostages give a flying fig what their liberators were wearing. Heck, I bet they could have been wearing Che T-shirts and they wouldn't have cared.

/wait, what?

re: #23 BlueCanuck

I'd have to ask, but I think FARC - though they're not much more than narcotrafficking bandits anymore - are a "guerrilla organization" (or do I mean "partisan"? Blast it!) under the Geneva Conventions, and provided they have a chain of command and clear insignia, they are covered.

It's not fair to dupe leftist guerrillas/terrorists?! Unbelievable...

ZOMBIE

dust off those red cross ambulance links, my dear, and get ready for some traffic.

let the equivocation begin!

re: #2 doppelganglander

CNN: FOAD, please.

Concur.

re: #29 HelloDare

If a CNN staffer got kidnapped, they'd probably pay millions in ransom money. But for heaven sake, they wouldn't use a Red Cross truck.

How much do you think CNN paid Saddam to keep reporters in Bagdad during the time his regime was in power?

...in what appears to be the removal of the head from the shoulders of the American hostage, could, just may very well be a war crime...

[crickets]

re: #27 Killgore Trout

Remember, he didn't see the footage, he simply had a situation described to him.

I don't doubt that he's a leftist, but, well, he didn't actually comment on the footage. He was handed a set-up.

So what is the punishment? Do we have to give the hostages back? We can never attempt to rescue hostages again --or are we given a 5 year moratorium on doing so.

A strong-worded letter will be issued?

WTF --who cares?

At first I thought the war crime was the wearing of that international symbol of enlightenment "Che" on their t-shirts.

/thou shalt not besmirch the purity of the Che!

re: #19 Dianna

With what evidence? The footage cannot be authenticated, and was sold by an anonymous source.

CNN has wasted their money.

And they're wasting our time with this crap they call "news".
A really good example of the poison press in action.
What bugs the hell out of me is the number of idiots that will suck this crap up as the trooth.
God help us.

The Red Cross isn't worth the bother. I would never give a dime of mine to them. The Salvation Army is a different story, at least they help all who need it.

re: #37 gymnast

How much do you think CNN paid Saddam to keep reporters in Bagdad during the time his regime was in power?

Oops, that was for #28.

re: #37 gymnast

How much do you think CNN paid Saddam to keep reporters in Bagdad during the time his regime was in power?

They paid Saddam by not reporting certain things. That's worse.

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a “war crime” under the Geneva Conventions

But FARC is a Marxist-Leninist revolutionary guerrilla organization. So perhaps the alleged abused protocols were a violation of the Guevara Conventions.

re: #29 HelloDare

If a CNN staffer got kidnapped, they'd probably pay millions in ransom money. But for heaven sake, they wouldn't use a Red Cross truck.

Bet they would. But they wouldn't whine about it later, and cry that it might, it just might, be a war crime, and a violation of the Geneva convention.

/CNN: duplicitous, hypocritical POSs

re: #34 Seaberry

I must agree with you - it seems perfectly legitimate to me. Particularly since they didn't shoot anyone.

CNN-who? Oh, those guys - are they still in business?

They're just pissed because the rescue probably spoiled the deal they were setting up with the terrorists, propaganda dissemination in exchange for direct access. SOP for CNN.

Hey Charles, how bout some front page props for my shallow ego...?

re: #41 stevieray

At first I thought the war crime was the wearing of that international symbol of enlightenment "Che" on their t-shirts.

/thou shalt not besmirch the purity of the Che!

Check my #32.

Oh dear. We'd better give those hostages back and try again. Better luck next time, chaps!

"Make a list and check it thrice, CNN cares if you're naughty or nice."

I've HAD IT with the left.

Rescuing Hostages = Bad

Taking Hostages = Fighting for Freedom

Just what in the hell has the left done in the last 50 years to advance freedom for anyone but criminals and thugs?

All the hostages went to hospitals. The Red Cross provided medical care. Isn't that the job of the Red Cross? When is it a crime to help someone, to save lives? No one was injured. Does the Geneva convention define a war crime as an action that saves lives?

re: #32 Slumbering Behemoth

However, the ICRC will likely object to a misuse/infringement of their own symbol, if indeed the allegation proves true.

re: #42 Da_Beerfreak

And they're wasting our time with this crap they call "news".
A really good example of the poison press in action.
What bugs the hell out of me is the number of idiots that will suck this crap up as the trooth.
God help us.

One does begin to suspect that CNN was a last choice - even the National Enquirer was too skeptical.

Madness! Madness!
    — Maj. Clipton

Always remember that the left's (MSM in this case) romantic heroes are almost always our mortal enemies.

re: #51 Slumbering Behemoth

Check my #32.

I saw it... but only after I posted.

/Are you one of those freaky fast touch typists or sumptin'?

OT

Charles. Can we have a late night evolution thread? All the Id folks have said their prayers and gone to bed.

What would CNN suggest the Columbian Military do now? Send a letter of apology to FARC, along with a bouquet of flower?

I wonder if this was the first opinion that Mark Ellis of the International Bar Association has spoken concerning the FARC and its war on Colombia?

FARC CNN. There I said it.

I bet CNN would still whine if the Colombian military had rescued their reporters under the same circumstances. Ungrateful sprats who still suckle at the teat of Freedom while shatting everywhere.

Red Cross emblems to the Afghanistan/Pakistan border!

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

OT

Charles. Can we have a late night evolution thread? All the Id folks have said their prayers and gone to bed.

Oh, that's just a peachy idea.

/

CNN wants it done the right way -- they want another "Operation Eagle Claw" a la Jimmy Carter.

In case the Shiplord has not yet found his way here, I quote his comment #135 from the Zombie thread:

Shiplord Kirel 7/15/08 8:31:02 pm reply quote 1

re: #106 Killgore Trout

As far as I know FARC neither signed nor obliges by the Geneva Convention so the rules don't apply to them. Same goes for the Taliban and Al Qaeda.

The Colombians were not in violation of the Convention even if did apply to the terrorists.

Anyone who has ever been in the military, or has even seen a reasonable amount of authentic combat video, will know that military medical personnel are permitted to wear the Red Cross as part of their uniforms.
Similarly, the Geneva Conventions specify that unarmed aircraft used for the evacuation of casualties (and the hostages were clearly in need of medical attention) may be marked with the Red Cross. The use of threats, force, or tactical deception to prevent interference with a lawful attempt to evacuate sick or wounded is, itself, perfectly lawful.

12 August 1949.
Chapter III : Medical units and establishments
ARTICLE 22
The following conditions shall not be considered as depriving a medical unit or establishment of the protection guaranteed by Article 19:

(1) That the personnel of the unit or establishment are armed, and that they use the arms in their own defence, or in that of the wounded and sick in their charge.

(2) That in the absence of armed orderlies, the unit or establishment is protected by a picket or by sentries or by an escort.

The media are the enemy.

re: #55 freetoken

However, the ICRC will likely object to a misuse/infringement of their own symbol, if indeed the allegation proves true.

You're likely right. After all, why would they want to be even remotely associated with the liberation of innocent hostages held by a terrorist group for several years?

/I do get the issue, I just feel like being snarky.

re: #42 Da_Beerfreak

And they're wasting our time with this crap they call "news".
A really good example of the poison press in action.
What bugs the hell out of me is the number of idiots that will suck this crap up as the trooth.
God help us.

Um, go back to last thread, your problems, and the whole free world for that matter, go all the way to the top, well, nearly the top but he's hoping.

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

OT

Charles. Can we have a late night evolution thread? All the Id folks have said their prayers and gone to bed.

Not...

Ted Turner is a foul-mouthed ass. CNN is what comes out of an ass.

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Please, as a dead threader, no more. i don't want to wade through a night shift of people arguing that stuff.

re: #23 BlueCanuck

Ooooh, Ooooh, Mr. Koooterrr. Isn't Farc a terrorist group? therefore the Geneva Conventions don't apply to them!

/CNN morons.

I bet Horschack's IQ was at least 20 pts. above the average CNN reporter's.

re: #65 Cartman

Oh, that's just a peachy idea.

/

Stirring the pot since 1952.

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

OT

Charles. Can we have a late night evolution thread? All the Id folks have said their prayers and gone to bed.

Won't work. They have the ID Thread Alarm set.

re: #59 stevieray

Heh, I do touch type, but I have no idea what my speed is. It isn't that impressive though, I am sure of that.

You think the MSM can't get any lower and then they show up with the backhoe and start digging again. Only CNN would look for something negative in the rescue of people held hostage for over 5 years.
Sickening

re: #73 Tigger2005

I bet Horschack's IQ was at least 20 pts. above the average CNN reporter's.

By the way, Horschack is a very old and respected name. It means, "The cattle are dying."

Oh course they would defend the communist. Their not called the Communist News Network for nothing.

As I said in the previous thread; they should be grateful the Colombian military didn't cluster-bomb the LZ once their people and the hostages were safely away. Frankly, I don't know why they didn't.

The glass isn't half empty with these people - it's bone dry.

You'd think CNN would celebrate the rescue. After all, this does represent "change" for the hostages. It is all about change.

This is yet another example of the screwed-up moral compass that exists at CNN and most of the MSM.

Forget the wonderful creativity of the bloodless liberation of the hostages being held for so long under appalling conditions - focus on something negative.

CNN does not even know what is right from wrong.

What a total joke.

CNN has a point. Now, Betancourt, the Americans, everybody else who was rescued, the rescuers, and the president of Colombia have to be returned, or turned over, to FARC, as restitution. Justice must be served.

That's my Modest Proposal. Jonathan Swift would be proud.

re: #81 Cartman

The glass isn't half empty with these people - it's bone dry.

With a hole in it.

re: #77 dgax65

IIRC, some of the captives were held hostage for over ten years.

Those hostages kept by FARC's humanitarians are being purposely starved and moved to keep them in a weaken state so they could not escape. These poor people are almost forsaken by the entire world to their dark jungle prisons and these USEFUL IDIOTS complain about the miss use of the Red Cross insignia to rescue them!

If the Geneva conventions were written now by these terrorist sympathizing pricks they would include stuff like this.

All trickery used by forces deemed by the MSM to be aggressors will be War Crimes.

All MSM deemed aggressors shall send their enemies full battle plans 24hrs prior to engagement.

All MSM deemed aggressors shall supply their enemy with weapons equal in quality and lethality prior to engagement.

All engagements will be documented on video and given to the MSM to be used against the deemed aggressor.

/Spit

re: #72 BlueCanuck

Please, as a dead threader, no more. i don't want to wade through a night shift of people arguing that stuff.

Too late. See next thread.

The term "War Crimes" is in danger of being of overused and thus rendered meaningless.

re: #74 Walter L. Newton

Stirring the pot since 1952.

Be careful what you ask for.

re: #80 Occasional Reader

I suspect an agreement with someone on the ground.

There used to be a great link (I thought here) about an ALLEGED Israeli attack on a Palestingian ambulance. It was a video which employed great sarcasm to show the difference between a real missile strike and a staged ( or imaginary) one. I love to find that link again...

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

OT

Charles. Can we have a late night evolution thread? All the Id folks have said their prayers and gone to bed.

If you would kindly stand by that open window over there; I'm sure there are some Lizards here that would be glad to help you out.
// {;-)™

CNN did delve into the Haditha war crime hoax. I guess they determined it was true because they haven't really talked about it much since they gave the accusers the benefit of the doubt.

None of the Hezbollah human shield shenanigans has been reported and I'd call that a definite war crime. So yeah, they've missed a few.

What in the world are they hoping to gain by such outrageous reporting?

re: #90 kevinmumaw

The term "War Crimes" is in danger of being of overused and thus rendered meaningless.

Can you say "Windfall Profits"? Whatever the hell that means.

re: #87 Idle Drifter

The unproven misuse! The unauthenticated (and unauthenticatable) misuse!

re: #88 Metal Man

Hey, they just want to level the playing field for all enemy combatants. It's only fair and just!

/

re: #67 Dianna Hey Dianna! Y'all don't need to wait for Kragar!
Should Dustoff-057 show up, ask him if his Medevac Chopper was marked with a Red Cross. Ask him if he wore a Red Cross emblem or arm band on his fatigue shirt when he was flying into a Landing Zone to treat and withdraw wounded American soldiers.
Then ask him if the VC or NVA ever used that Red Cross as a TARGET.
I know the answers are yes to all of the foregoing.
CNN wasn't around during Vietnam (thank God) but I have no doubt that they would ignore the deliberately shooting at and sometimes shooting down a Medevac or a Combat Medic like Dustoff.
They are, quite properly, referred to as The Communist News Network.

re: #68 Slumbering Behemoth

Umm.. the point is, I think, if I get the CNN allegation correct, that the person wearing the red cross would be considered a combatant and not medical/humanitarian personnel. It all depends upon what CNN is actually alleging... which is not clear.

From The Protection of the Red Cross / Red Crescent Emblems (pdf):

It is fundamental that the measures
to prevent abuse also apply to the
members of the armed forces.
However, this may be established
through the processes of the State
governing military discipline. The
use of the emblems to hide or
shelter combatants or military
equipment during armed conflict
(i.e. perfidious use) is a war crime.

But again, I'm not sure what CNN is actually alleging, and as they don't have the tape to show we may never know.

re: #60 Walter L. Newton

Your wish is one flight up.

re: #78 Tigger2005

By the way, Horschack is a very old and respected name. It means, "The cattle are dying."

Really? I thought it meant "cathouse"

re: #69 A Kiwi Infidel

?

:)

Well, Walter. You got your wish.

CNN is going to shit on this until they can make a stink. Same with MSNBC. The fact someone would find "duping" terrorists to be a bad thing says more about them than the subjects of their report.

For 40 years, the military has been portrayed as craven, clumsy and worse. The better the military gets, the more CNN has to raise the bar to keep their token of faith alive.

CNN is boring as hell, but it's also dangerous. Running people like Amanpour around the globe digging up moral equivalency is like CBS hiring Goebbels in the 40s.

From the Shiplord:

#151 Shiplord Kirel 7/15/08 8:46:37 pm reply quote 1

There is another relevant section that CNN did not bother to look up:

(Protocol I), 8 June 1977. Part III : Methods and means of warfare -- Combatant and prisoner-of-war status #Section I -- Methods and means of warfare

Article 37 -- Prohibition of perfidy
1. It is prohibited to kill, injure or capture an adversary by resort to perfidy. Acts inviting the confidence of an adversary to lead him to believe that he is entitled to, or is obliged to accord, protection under the rules of international law applicable in armed conflict, with intent to betray that confidence, shall constitute perfidy. The following acts are examples of perfidy:

(a) the feigning of an intent to negotiate under a flag of truce or of a surrender;

(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;

(c) the feigning of civilian, non-combatant status; and

(d) the feigning of protected status by the use of signs, emblems or uniforms of the United Nations or of neutral or other States not Parties to the conflict.

2. Ruses of war are not prohibited. Such ruses are acts which are intended to mislead an adversary or to induce him to act recklessly but which infringe no rule of international law applicable in armed conflict and which are not perfidious because they do not invite the confidence of an adversary with respect to protection under that law. The following are examples of such ruses: the use of camouflage, decoys, mock operations and misinformation.

The medics in the rescue force were not feigning their Red Cross status, the evacuation helicopter was not feigning its right to show the Red Cross. The other ruses are not prohibited.

CNN needs a serious beat-down for this one. .

Oooh, what a boo boo. Maybe they should have worn black burka bag outfits. If they are good enough for bank robbers...

C N (nuts) N (and nuttier)

CNN

Wearing Red Cross symbols to foll terrorists - war crime.

Covering up war crimes to keep access in Iraq - journalism.

re: #102 ratherdashing

Really? I thought it meant "cathouse"

LMAO!

Tigger's comment is from the pilot episode of Welcome Back, Kotter (if I am not mistaken), when the Sweathogs were introducing themselves.

We now have CNN as an adult channel requires anyone at my home to enter the password to watch headline news or CNN.

That way we cannot accidentally view it when channel surfing. And boy do we surf

re: #107 Dianna

"(b) the feigning of an incapacitation by wounds or sickness;"

I can't believe this--playing dead or unconscious during a ferocious battle has been around for centuries. To not do so usually gets one a bullet (or 5 or 10) to the heart or the head. It's time for conservatives and Lizards to make new rules of war and get signatures from every nation.

(Well, I can dream, can't I?)

Dianna...

now doesn't this feel much better?

most, if not all, of the lizard army on the same page...

I wonder if CNN is going to make a correction to this poorly written tale?

(I am very depressed I did not receive any hat-tip for the story though, very depressed...)

re: #112 Timbre

Talk to the Shiplord! I merely quote!

re: #67 Dianna

Many thanks!
Link to Article 22

re: #107 Dianna
Link to Article 37

re: #113 ruddoj

Sweetie, if it makes you feel better, Charles probably saw it about the same time you did.

You'll get your hat-tip, someday.

re: #115 Shiplord Kirel

You are very welcome!

CNN is now reporting that Columbia has apolagized to the Red Cross and returned the hostages to the FARC. NOT!

Uh-oh!

Did everyone scurry upstairs to continue the ID argument?

Last Thursday, I ended up staying up much too late, reading an ID thread.

Oh well, I was going to post something out of the voice of frustration.

Just hold back. They will be going belly up sooner or later.

re: #119 Dianna

Uh-oh!

Did everyone scurry upstairs to continue the ID argument?

Last Thursday, I ended up staying up much too late, reading an ID thread.

They are a pretty good read, aren't they?

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a "war crime" under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law and could endanger humanitarian workers in the future, according to international legal expert Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

International Bar Association. Pray tell, what the hell is that? Along the lines of the National Lawyer's Guild, I'm sure. Piss off, Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

re: #121 freedombilly

They are a pretty good read, aren't they?

I suppose they are, if one subscribes to the premise behind the movie Groundhog Day.

re: #123 Cartman

I suppose they are, if one subscribes to the premise behind the movie Groundhog Day.

Bwahaha!

My secret is I don't read every one. Only when I am in a very particular mood.

The commies are spinning like a top! "We meant to let her go!" "They paid the bribe!" "It is Bush's fault!" "Valerie Plame!" (actually in linked story!) "Chavez is a really nice guy!" "Castro!" "Social Justice!"

Well I always wear my Che T-shirt whenever I pick up hostages in a badly disguised military helicopter. ...These people are screaming!

re: #121 freedombilly

I like them. But they do lead to some friction with my Male; he's not an ID-er, but he gets really uncomfortable with the subject.

re: #123 Cartman

I suppose they are, if one subscribes to the premise behind the movie Groundhog Day.

Oh, that's good! Thanks for making me laugh.

Oh fer cryin' out loud. Tonight, when I'm in severe dental distress and was looking for something "fun" like an overnight open thread or something to occupy my time until all the med's I've taken have kicked in, we get this semi-interesting thread and another ID thread following this one.
Whatever happened to the old Overnight Open Threads?

re: #125 swamprat

Indymedia Brasil... Oy vey. Idiotarianos sem fronteras.

re: #127 Dianna

You're welcome! :)

They are absolutely right. As a matter of fact, if they tell us where they are hiding out we will make sure those darned soldiers are delivered to them. Really. They will be there.

re: #128 realwest

Good luck with your dental distress. Not too much is less fun than that.

Taking the hostages in the first place was a war crime.

Therefore breaking the "law" in getting them back is irrelevant.

Here's what the Good People of Rock Ridge had to say about CNN's report...

...re: #129 Occasional Reader...Ducks ...uh, Schmucks Unlimited

All the hostages must now return to captivity!

re: #132 freedombilly
Thanks and you're correct; nothing less fun than a severe, pounding toothache. Crap.
And I gotta get up EXTRA early to see the dentist so he can tell me to go to an endodontist. Just Crap.

If they can't authenticate the film, why are they reporting its contents? Like I said 2 threads back, FARC and their sympathizers are not above doctoring a video.

re: #138 RememberSekhmet?
Because, as I said further upthread, they are the Communist News Network, that's why!

re: #138 RememberSekhmet?

Never let the truth get in the way of a good joke. And at CNN, never let proof (or lack there of) get in the way of a good news story.

This is just unreal. I mean the fact that cnn brings it up now and not before in the incidents mentioned here by Charles.
Wake up CNN! I used to have a cup/s of coffee and 4 or 5 Marlboro's with you every morning to start my day. Of course that was a long time ago when you could get away with it.

The real war crime is the deceitful use of a religious icon. The icon I am referring to is of course the Che t-shirt worn by the commando trying to look like an NGO farc-er.

re: #116 Dianna

Sweetie, if it makes you feel better, Charles probably saw it about the same time you did.

well, I posted the link to the story in another thread on LGF at 7:55pm (#82)

#82 ruddoj 7/15/08 7:55:28 pm

you guys have got to see this one

CNN is boasting that the rescue operation in Columbia that freed the Americans after 5 years was in violation of the Geneva Conventions and a possible 'war crime'.

pathetic reporting from CNN, IMO.

[Link: [Link: www.cnn.com...]...]

then followed it up with the thought of the palestinians and the red cresent vans with weapons and troops...

#86 ruddoj 7/15/08 7:58:28 pm

Just to add one thing on the CNN story above,

Did the CNN reporters fail to remember the use by the Palestinians driving Red Cresent Vans that were running weapons and troops around Gaza and the West Bank...?

the LGF story was posted at 8:18 pm...with a reference very similar to mine

to compare:

LGF's:

Anyone remember the last time CNN wailed about “war crimes” when Palestinian terrorists used Red Cross ambulances to transport weapons, or used schools to hide the launching of rockets into Israel?

mine:

Did the CNN reporters fail to remember the use by the Palestinians driving Red Cresent Vans that were running weapons and troops around Gaza and the West Bank...?

Oh well, I guess the truth getting out there for the Lizard Army to read and see and holding CNN accountable for their shabby reporting is good enough for tonight...

goodnight all, sleep well...

It wasn't a Red Cross cross, it was a Crusader Cross, which the Red Cross stole.

Indict the Red Cross for Crusader Cross infringement!

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all but I gotta go at least TRY to sleep - hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight all.

Ipso facto "war crimes" occur during times of war.

How does that apply here?

Further, the Geneva convention does not apply to non-uniformed terrorists.

As armed kidnappers, these FARC terrorists should count their lucky stars they weren't all summarily executed on the spot.

shown to CNN by a confidential military source

Wesley Clark? This is his speed.

re: #93 Timbre

There used to be a great link (I thought here) about an ALLEGED Israeli attack on a Palestingian ambulance. It was a video which employed great sarcasm to show the difference between a real missile strike and a staged ( or imaginary) one. I love to find that link again...

Do you mean this one?

The Red Cross must have been the NGO that the FARC'ers trusted to deliver the hostages to their original (captive) destination. CNN should be asking questions about that.

re: #100 freetoken

Like I said, I get the point, I just felt like being snarky. For clarification, that snark was not meant to be directed at you.

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a “war crime” under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law and could endanger humanitarian workers in the future, according to international legal expert Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

IIRC I see the Red Cross symbol or a similarly-shaped symbol on health packs in many of the video games I play. I don't know where the outrage went on that.

yeah this isn't going to be safe for children or polite company:

"Anyone remember the last time CNN wailed about “war crimes” when Palestinian terrorists used Red Cross ambulances to transport weapons, or used schools to hide the launching of rockets into Israel?

Or the last time CNN moaned about “war crimes” when Iraqi terrorists used mosques as weapons depots, or as firing stations for attacks on helpless civilians?

What’s that? Never, you say?"

CNN can suck my dick, the lying cocksuckers...I look forward to *your* empire's demise...

...go ahead publish this excerpt...in it's entirety...demonize me...pssst...don't forget the "ambulance" context...

heh

portraying murderers who operate outside the agreed upon rules...the murderers of innocents...who masquerade as liberators, who endanger their own children by hiding among them, those who endanger by brainwashing them into hate machines...those people are propagandized and perpetuated and emboldened and published by the likes of CNN...

*spit*

If only it was Ted Turner instead of Ms Moonbat Bettencourt

wow.

just
wow.

What’s that? Never, you say?

This made me laugh. Keep up the good work.

re: #12 shanec99

Kind of makes you wonder what the journalists are sympathetic to, and which side they support in various struggles around the world.

Unless you've been paying attention for the last 20 years.

I say the next time around CNN should deploy the highly evolved Jack Cafferty with a crack camera team to rescue hostages from Marxist guerrillas the right way.

re: #27 Killgore Trout

As far as I know the Geneva Convention is a reciprocal agreement between countries who signed and abide by it. Farc has not signed nor do they abide by the Geneva convention (Like the Taliban and Al Qaeda) so the rules don't apply. How much you wanna bet CNN's "expert" Mark Ellis is a leftists dusche bag?

Yes. But as far as I knew habeas corpus rights were only for US citizens.

Clearly we know less than we thought we did.

CNN: They're known as MEDICS, numbnuts.

The Geneva conventions only apply to civilised countries. Since Colombia seems to have pretty much joined the west in that sense, the Geneva conventions now apply to them. Welcome to the civilised world Colombia and enjoy all the leftist BS that'll be flying your way from now on.

The western left, trying to drag civilisation down into the sewers since the birth of hypocrisy.

OK, let's just assume for fun that this is an actual Red Cross emblem and that a Columbian soldier was wearing it. What if said soldier was a medic? Last time I checked, the medics could have the Red Cross emblem legally.

And since the Red Cross did medical checks on the hostages after they were released, where's the war crime?

Then again, we're talking about the same network that ignored what Saddam was doing to his own people and who employed an executive that accused U.S. troops of targetting journalists for assassinations. I'm not too impressed with their complaining.

Another example of this is when an Al Qaeda assassination team pretended to be television journalists in order to kill Afghan Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Masood immediately prior to their September 11, 2001 attack on the United States.

I suppose it's not news when terrorists violate the laws and customs of war (yet the left cheerleads for giving them all the benefit of those who follow the Geneva Conventions).

I know, I know, we denied those poor guerillas their human rights by deceiving them. Always hit above the belt, and play by the rules. Especially when you're dealing with an opponent who hits below the belt, and violates all of the rules.

We should bribe the guerillas to take CNN reporters and editors hostage, and let them rot in jungle prisons for a few decades. Maybe then they'd figure it out.

Yesterday afternoon I was at a client's house for about 3 hours. She had CNN on in the kitchen (a little too loud) and I was forced to listen to it for 3 hours in the background while I was working. I've never listened to CNN for more than a few minutes at a time, so needless to say it gave me a headache. What struck MOST me was how obsessed the entire network is with the presidential election. Also, the amount of whining on CNN is staggering, and Lou Dobbs is a whiny populist idiot.

No matter how lame Fox News gets - CNN is still a bastion for leftist apologetics and whiny populist drivel.

/oh big daddy government - SAVE ME!

re: #167 FrogMarch

No matter how lame Fox News gets - CNN is still a bastion for leftist apologetics and whiny populist drivel.

/oh big daddy government - SAVE ME!

CNN doesnt get called the Communist News Network for no reason...

Here's a taste of Lou Dobbs:

"I just took a poll and 98% of our listeners think George Bush sucks. It's a total lack of leadership. Our listeners demand to be lead. We need leaders...Leaders who lead..."

and on an on...

This one is almost as dumb as their recent trumpeting of that teenage terrorist crying while being asked questions by a Canadian interrogator as a 'this will add fuel to the fire of those who say Gitmo should be closed' "scandal" story.

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I seriously think everyone over at CNN has taken a holiday from reality.

Excuse me but FARC is not a signatory to the Geneva Convention and has kept the hostages under conditions outlawed by the Geneva Convention. Both parties must be signatories to the Convention before it applies to relations between them. As for the Red Cross being a neutral party, just look at its relations to Nazi German concentration camps or its prohibition on the Star of David on the Israeli Magen David chapter to cast all assumptions of Red Cross 'neutrality' aside.

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a “war crime” under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law and could endanger humanitarian workers in the future, according to international legal expert Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

Really? How could there be a "war crime" if there's no war? FARC is not a country with the ability to declare war, it's merely a group of terrorist criminals engaged in lawbreaking activity with (assertedly) political motives. As far as I know, the Geneva convention doesn't apply to domestic criminals.

Why is it so easy to get FARC to trust Red Cross workers? Has the Red Cross helped or been sympathetic to them in the past? Just askin'

Buried more than thirty paragraphs deep in the CNN story:

"Both of Colombia's two main guerrilla armies, the FARC and the smaller National Liberation Army, have been known to misuse the Red Cross symbol, sometimes transporting fighters in ambulances. The Colombian government frequently makes international denunciations of rebel violations of international humanitarian law."

This makes more of a statement about the ICRC than the Colombians.

Reminds me of the Entebbe raid, which Sweden considered a violation of ugandan sovereignty.

Um, since when is the red cross nuetral anyway? they haven't been since this entire war on terror started.

Maybe CNN thinks the Colombian government should give the hostages back to FARC and say "We're really sorry we cheated."

Although, as I think about it, "CNN thinks" is probably an oxymoron.

Anyone surprised the commie simps at CNN would come out with this crap to try to tarnish the Colombian Armed Forces brilliantly planned and executed hostage rescue? I'm not.

I work in export to Latin America, and the turn around by Colombia is amazing. Once President Uribe decided enough is enough and started fighting the FARC hard, the country started to stabilize and prosper. Over the last few years our business with Colombia has increased quite a bit. Terrorist criminal activity has declined and a sense of security has started to take hold. Yes, there's much to do, but Colombians are good, decent hardworking people from my experience and given a peaceful environment they will prosper.

And if the "rights" of communists are violated, no big deal. Why give a damn about the rights of followers of a political philosophy that will destroy every one else's rights if given a chance? They are nothing but narco terrorist criminal miscreants.

Screw the slime at CNN. Colombia deserves our complete support.

CNN breathlessly reports that the Colombian military committed “war crimes” in their rescue of 15 hostages, because one rescuer may have worn the emblem of the Red Cross.

Maybe it could go to the 9th Circuit and the hostages would be ordered to be returned.

Wanna know what these progressives are really about? Go to that "anti-war" website antiwar.com.

[Link: www.antiwar.com...]

Anti-war my ass. Talk about foaming at the mouth warmongers. Every article is breathlessly jabbering about the victories of their glorious jihadis against the hated Americans. They don't even really try to hide it. It sounds like Hitlers propaganda films.

Here are some of the headlines today:

"GIs Abandon Afghan Outpost Following Attack
Afghanistan as the New Iraq?
Afghan Fight Drawing Foreign Jihadis
Taliban Push Has US on Defensive
Voice From Saddam Regime Issues a Call to Arms
Suicide Bombers Kill 35 Iraqi Recruits
Tuesday: 1 US Soldier, 56 Iraqis Killed; 99 Iraqis Wounded"

And remember how they "outlawed" body counts in Vietnam? That's because that's a propaganda tool the left has claimed exclusively for themselves.

These cowardly warmongering bitches on the left live for war. Anybody who's killing Americans or free people are their heroes.

Anyone remember the last time CNN wailed about “war crimes” when Palestinian terrorists used Red Cross ambulances to transport weapons, or used schools to hide the launching of rockets into Israel?

Or that video of the Red Cross employee giving a powerpoint presentation to a bunch of masked Palestinian gunmen about the "rights of war" - that is, not how the Palestinians should stop fragging pizzerias and weddings and commuter buses, but how ISRAEL is supposed to treat the Palestinian murderers if they surrender. Then the still-masked gunmen lined up in the conference room in front of an Al Jazeera reporter and told her how great the course was and how it really helps them in their "struggle" against the Zionist Entity.

Exhibit A in the reasons I no longer contribute money or donate blood to the Red Cross.

re: #182 docremulac

These cowardly warmongering bitches on the left live for war. Anybody who's killing Americans or free people are their heroes.

Viva la Revolución!

The 5th column...

re: #21 de La Valette

Excellent points all.

I believe kidnapping and ransoming your victims is also a crime.

Guard: Hey wait a minute there, pal. Just what exactly do you think you're doing? This is a restrict- Oh, I'm terribly sorry, I didn't see your bib. Go right ahead, sir.

re: #37 gymnast

How much do you think CNN paid Saddam to keep reporters in Bagdad during the time his regime was in power?

I still remember the execrable Eason Jordan, retired CNN head, admitting that CNN softpedaled its coverage of Saddam's treatment of the Iraqi people because he didn't want CNN to lose its reporting privileges in Iraq - oh, and for "concern" for the Iraqis working for CNN. Then, around a year or so later (in Geneva, I think), he made the specious allegation that U.S. troops in Iraq were targetting reporters - what an asshat!

re: #41 stevieray

At first I thought the war crime was the wearing of that international symbol of enlightenment "Che" on their t-shirts.

/thou shalt not besmirch the purity of the Che!

Che: pure EVIL!

re: #96 freedombilly

Can you say "Windfall Profits"? Whatever the hell that means.

I'm starting a list of terms that I am tired of hearing LLL's use in their specious and inane arguments:

bigot, Fascist, for the children, giving back, homophobe, racist, sexist, war crimes, windfall profits

Feel free to add your own

Not a war crime unless there is a war. This was a law enforcement operation within the borders of a soveriegn nation. No international jurisdiction.

Such a use of the Red Cross emblem could constitute a “war crime” under the Geneva Conventions and international humanitarian law and could endanger humanitarian workers in the future, according to international legal expert Mark Ellis, executive director of the International Bar Association.

The implication from Mark Ellis is that the FARC terrorists were familiar with the ICRC emblem, expected folks wearing the emblem to be associated as part of a terrorist hostage transfer, and felt defrauded by the false colors. That seems to implicate the ICRC as supporting terrorists.

So leftist guerrillas have protection under the Geneva convention? I don't think so