Except the one that puts you in the ditch:)

No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place.

--Burma Shave.

Simple and elegant- how Zen.

Hello! Echo!

Is this the friendly, united Lizards thread?

re: #5 livefreeor die

I'm too tired to fight and I'm all in one piece. Close enough?

My head is splitting.....no more Pink lemonade's and Vodka for Max.

A new fresh thread. Time to get philosophical. Zen thinking though is too much like no thinking at all. I do like their koans though.

re: #6 joncelli

I'm too tired to fight and I'm all in one piece. Close enough?

Works for me.

And with that, I retire. G'night, lizards.

re: #5 livefreeor die
It must be, cause I gotta go to bed and at least TRY to get some sleep - with this toothache and all the med's I'm taking, it's sorta iffy whether or not I'll actually get some sleep tonight or just lie there and dream! LOL!

Anyway all y'all, I really gotta go to sleep now, so I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road.

Goodnight, all.

That Zen guy talks alot... I see his stuff everywhere.

Am I being unreasonably irritable, or are those commercials that say "the internet can't hide any more" among the stupidest things on TV?

You are not a beautiful and unique snowflake

re: #8 BlueCanuck

A new fresh thread. Time to get philosophical. Zen thinking though is too much like no thinking at all. I do like their koans though.

I have solved the ice cream koan.

re: #12 stevieray

That Zen guy talks alot... I see his stuff everywhere.

It would be quite interesting to read a discussion between Zen and Anon, they both seem to have a lot to say.

Evolve and let the chips fall where they may.

re: #15 victor_yugo

I have solved the ice cream koan.

Now that is some twisted logic.

I've heard that no two look alike, either.

re: #18 BlueCanuck

Now that is some twisted logic.

Not when one considers both apophatic and kataphatic logic.

That is, what one is not, on par with what one is.

Drinks are up! Here is a link to a fine copy of John Hiatts Perfectly good guitar. Sounds great!

re: #21 LoFlyer

Drinks are up! Here is a link to a fine copy of John Hiatts Perfectly good guitar. Sounds great!

Any soda water? I am in gestation mode.

re: #20 victor_yugo

Not when one considers both apophatic and kataphatic logic.

That is, what one is not, on par with what one is.

/*brain goes pop* :)

re: #15 victor_yugo

I have solved the ice cream koan.

Tasty!

/but watch out for brain-freeze

Skip to 3:30 of episode 1
/Freezeray rules

I'm quite the film buff, and have seen countless thousands and thousnads of movies. And I've seen lots of completely horrible films -- several of whcih I've declared to be "the worst film I've ever seen" up to that point.

But just tonight I watched what I truly believe is the worst film of all time:

I Am Curious (Yellow).

Oh. My. God.

I had absolutely no clue how cataclysmically loathsome this film would be. I of course had heard about the famous controversy and the Supreme Court obscenity ruling and so forth. But what no one ever mentioned is that the film is a relentless, unbearable exercise in communist propaganda AND nihilistic postmodern filmmaking "techniques." The sex scenes are alternately revolting and tiresome, and when they're not doing it, it's a nonstop parade of indoctrination into the worst ideologies mankind has ever invented.

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

re: #16 Neo Con since 9-11

It would be quite interesting to read a discussion between Zen and Anon, they both seem to have a lot to say.

Let's bring "they" into it... "they" always seem to have all the answers.

re: #25 Killgore Trout

Dr. Horrible rocks. Neal Patrick Harris singing was great as well.

/know now what I want to dress up for Halloween.

re: #22 livefreeor die

Any soda water? I am in gestation mode.

Beer, coke or water! Whats your pleasure?

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Are you still around?

No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place.

— Zen Proverb

Has somebody checked?

re: #30 Sharmuta

Not for long. Fading fast.

re: #32 Killgore Trout

There's a spinoff you should check out.

The only Zen you can find on the tops of mountains is the Zen you bring up there.

-- Robert M. Pirsig

re: #26 zombie

I'm quite the film buff, and have seen countless thousands and thousnads of movies. And I've seen lots of completely horrible films -- several of whcih I've declared to be "the worst film I've ever seen" up to that point.

But just tonight I watched what I truly believe is the worst film of all time:

I Am Curious (Yellow).

Oh. My. God.

I had absolutely no clue how cataclysmically loathsome this film would be. I of course had heard about the famous controversy and the Supreme Court obscenity ruling and so forth. But what no one ever mentioned is that the film is a relentless, unbearable exercise in communist propaganda AND nihilistic postmodern filmmaking "techniques." The sex scenes are alternately revolting and tiresome, and when they're not doing it, it's a nonstop parade of indoctrination into the worst ideologies mankind has ever invented.

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

I remember the title as a child. Never saw it and never will. I do remember how upset my older brother was when the supreme ruled on "I am curious yellow" as pornography which brought out the rating system. He and some of his buds were planning on going to see "Candy" which I found out late was pure porno. He was not a happy camper....

re: #27 stevieray

Let's bring "they" into it... "they" always seem to have all the answers.

Indeed Mr R. Study says "93% of all internet quotes are from either Zen, Anon, or They"

re: #29 LoFlyer

Beer, coke or water! Whats your pleasure?

I'd love a beer or a coke but it's water, juice, soda water, decaf ice tea for the next five months.

re: #26 zombie

Well, guess I will have to look it up.... probably not at the top of my to-watch list, but I'll look for it sometime...

The strange this, is, I actually watched its companion film "I Am Curious (Blue)" several months ago, and it was so incomprehensible, scatterbrained and (also) communist that I thought it must be composed of outtakes from the cutting room floor or something. Turns out I was right. In an interview with the filmmaker in this release of "(Yellow)," he basiclaly admits the Blue was just the leftovers. I had thought at the time that "I Am Curious (Blue)" was one of the worst films ever, but it doesn't hold a candle to "I Am Curious (Yellow)" because (Blue) is so pointless that it has no effect on the viewer.

re: #26 zombie

I'm quite the film buff, and have seen countless thousands and thousnads of movies. And I've seen lots of completely horrible films -- several of whcih I've declared to be "the worst film I've ever seen" up to that point.

But just tonight I watched what I truly believe is the worst film of all time:

I Am Curious (Yellow).

Oh. My. God.

I had absolutely no clue how cataclysmically loathsome this film would be. I of course had heard about the famous controversy and the Supreme Court obscenity ruling and so forth. But what no one ever mentioned is that the film is a relentless, unbearable exercise in communist propaganda AND nihilistic postmodern filmmaking "techniques." The sex scenes are alternately revolting and tiresome, and when they're not doing it, it's a nonstop parade of indoctrination into the worst ideologies mankind has ever invented.

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

Too bad MST3K will never do it.

re: #37 livefreeor die

I'd love a beer or a coke but it's water, juice, soda water, decaf ice tea for the next five months.

Sorry to hear that! Stomach problem?

re: #26 zombie
Thanks for the warning. I might have gone to that. I am an old '60's gal and the title would have intrigued me.

No snowflake ever falls in the wrong place...except in Yakutsk. And then they become part of an eternal freezing fog, with temperatures frequenting -60 degrees F during December - March. Al Gore can move the polar bears to Yakutsk and they'll do just fine. And he can stay there with them and enjoy the white winters and the vodka. Maybe he'll come home in June with some common sense.......................NAH!

Along the same lines, has anyone read Inside Out by Walter Bernstein? It's about the 1950's blacklist. I'm a third of the way through it and so far he's bashed the military during World War II and talked about his support of communist groups during that time period. I'm not feeling the sympathy yet.

re: #33 Sharmuta

As WND reported earlier, the University of California system adopted a policy last year that basic science, history, and literature textbooks by major Christian book publishers wouldn't qualify for core admissions requirements because of the inclusion of Christian perspectives.

Heh. Thanks for this tip off. This will be one to watch.

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Did you read that thread too? Cuz it's all BS.

re: #41 LoFlyer

Sorry to hear that! Stomach problem?

Pregnant with future Lizard/ anti moonbat.

re: #33 Sharmuta
I see Boss is already on the job.

re: #37 livefreeor die

How are the cravings? We could turn this into a BBQ thread:)

re: #48 Killgore Trout

I've been reading the decision all evening. I'm ready to go!

And if I never see snow again, so what.

re: #49 Metal Man

How are the cravings? We could turn this into a BBQ thread:)

Actually, I am craving BBQ items this time around! And the weird thing is I have a slight chocolate aversion which is so not me usually.

re: #40 Kosh's Shadow

Too bad MST3K will never do it.

It is impossible to parody. It is beyond self-parody. With every scene, the ruination and horribleness escalates to levels one thought were not possible to achieve.

For example, they'll film a scene with two characters arguing about whether communism really will ever eliminate the class struggle, which is bad enough all by itself, but then the camera pans back to reveal the entitre film crew filming the actors, and then, all in one continuous take, the actors fall our of character, and start arguing with the director, in their actual personas as the actors in the film. Then they rehash the scene in a grotesque revolutionary "self-criticism" struggle session, arguing about whether or not the dialogue was well-written.

Truly unwatchable. Layers upon layers of cinematic misery.

re: #53 zombie

It is impossible to parody. It is beyond self-parody. With every scene, the ruination and horribleness escalates to levels one thought were not possible to achieve.

For example, they'll film a scene with two characters arguing about whether communism really will ever eliminate the class struggle, which is bad enough all by itself, but then the camera pans back to reveal the entitre film crew filming the actors, and then, all in one continuous take, the actors fall our of character, and start arguing with the director, in their actual personas as the actors in the film. Then they rehash the scene in a grotesque revolutionary "self-criticism" struggle session, arguing about whether or not the dialogue was well-written.

Truly unwatchable. Layers upon layers of cinematic misery.

Nowadays they'd give it the Oscar for Best Picture and give the writer a Nobel Prize.

Its not the snowflake falling that gets you.

Its the 40,000,000,000 buddies he brings along.

re: #47 livefreeor die

Pregnant with future Lizard/ anti moonbat.

Great news! And I'll stock up on extra water and juice!

fall our of character = fall out of character

re: #26 zombie

But, one must consider, the easiest way to get viewers to listen to Communist propaganda in the early days was to couch it in a pseudo-porn flick.

Take that, Tipper Gore!

re: #56 LoFlyer

Great news! And I'll stock up on extra water and juice!

Thanks! We now bring a bottle of wine and a couple of bottles of soda water when we go to people's houses for dinner.

re: #52 livefreeor die

Is it the sweet of the chocolate or the bitter, one of the Doctors of BBQ here will set you up with a prescription.

re: #52 livefreeor die

Actually, I am craving BBQ items this time around! And the weird thing is I have a slight chocolate aversion which is so not me usually.

Don't get me started. I love a good BBQ pulled pork sandwich! My favorite BBQ joint is "Mad-dogs" just outside Conyers GA.

Happy blogging posts
good new topics on the screen
lefties run and hide

re: #60 Metal Man

Is it the sweet of the chocolate or the bitter, one of the Doctors of BBQ here will set you up with a prescription.

I think it's the bitter come to think of it, which rules out this great chili recipe with cocoa powder in it that my oldest son made for a scout camping trip.

re: #54 livefreeor die

Nowadays they'd give it the Oscar for Best Picture and give the writer a Nobel Prize.

Despite everything I've said, "I Am Curious (Yellow) was, until "Il Postino" won the best picture Oscar, the highest grossing foreign film of all time! And it remains the most-watched Swedish film in history.

Basically, it is an attempt to convert the viewer to communism, and they use the lure of sex to get everyone into the theater. Boy, did it work!

re: #58 victor_yugo

I think it strange to see Al Gore being treated like a god-man on the MTV awards when he was the one cross-examining Dee Synder in the 1980s.

Anyone else find that a bit ironic?

Or is MTV such a publicity/chic-whore it doesn't care?

From the Great White North.

Anne Murray - Snowbird

/but no snowkoans

re: #58 victor_yugo

But, one must consider, the easiest way to get viewers to listen to Communist propaganda in the early days was to couch it in a pseudo-porn flick.

Great Minds Think Alike! That was exactly the point.

re: #53 zombie

It is impossible to parody. It is beyond self-parody. With every scene, the ruination and horribleness escalates to levels one thought were not possible to achieve.

For example, they'll film a scene with two characters arguing about whether communism really will ever eliminate the class struggle, which is bad enough all by itself, but then the camera pans back to reveal the entitre film crew filming the actors, and then, all in one continuous take, the actors fall our of character, and start arguing with the director, in their actual personas as the actors in the film. Then they rehash the scene in a grotesque revolutionary "self-criticism" struggle session, arguing about whether or not the dialogue was well-written.

Truly unwatchable. Layers upon layers of cinematic misery.

/Does it come in Blu-ray?

Seriously, if art is defined as that which inspires a reaction in a subject, pretty clearly this is a successful work of art given how worked up you are by it!

As for me, I'm saving my nickels for Batman tomorrow.

re: #62 Donbmcd

That's a great 5 - 7 - 5.

Good work.

re: #64 zombie

Despite everything I've said, "I Am Curious (Yellow) was, until "Il Postino" won the best picture Oscar, the highest grossing foreign film of all time! And it remains the most-watched Swedish film in history.

Basically, it is an attempt to convert the viewer to communism, and they use the lure of sex to get everyone into the theater. Boy, did it work!

It sounds like the way survivors of communist regimes describe it-it lures you in and then you're stuck in this dark place where nothing is rational and all you can do is wonder how you got there and how to get out.

re: #53 zombie

Then they rehash the scene in a grotesque revolutionary "self-criticism" struggle session, arguing about whether or not the dialogue was well-written.

Heh. That's what I was going to compare those movie to... a marxist self-criticism session! If the director can get you to take the movie seriously, and argue its so-called "message" out loud, he has "broken" you.

Accept their lie is bad. Parrot it back is defeat.

/There are three lights!

re: #50 Sharmuta

Get ready for the next evolution thread. My science blogs call it World Nut Daily, they're pro-0bama and Pro_global warming. I'm thinking they're on to something.

re: #58 victor_yugo

But, one must consider, the easiest way to get viewers to listen to Communist propaganda in the early days was to couch it in a pseudo-porn flick.

Take that, Tipper Gore!

re: #64 zombie

Basically, it is an attempt to convert the viewer to communism, and they use the lure of sex to get everyone into the theater. Boy, did it work!

In this sense, it is the template for later propaganda films such as "The Constant Gardener" and "Blood Diamond" and that entire genre of "message films," when they'll splash beautiful stars like Rachel Weisz and Jennifer Connelly across the marquee, and get eveyrone to watch the film simply because of the actresses starring in it, and then they proceed to indoctrinate the audience with some tiresome anti-capitalist message. I am Curious (Yellow) proved it was a successful formula.

It's the same concept as "Taking Tiger Mountain by Strategy," adapted to western sensibilities.

re: #65 brainwizard73

I think it strange to see Al Gore being treated like a god-man on the MTV awards when he was the one cross-examining Dee Synder in the 1980s.

Anyone else find that a bit ironic?

Or is MTV such a publicity/chic-whore it doesn't care?

Its all politics. The past is the past, only hip topics like global warming, Islamophobia and American atrocities are interesting to MTV and their viewers. strangely enough, violent, female demeaning, and racist "rap" music receives MTV support.

re: #63 livefreeor die

There all different aren't they, both in and out. Little things I picked up as the fetcher for my ex when my kids were at that stage. Job I loved by the way problem solving dork that I am:)

re: #74 LoFlyer

So in my lifetime I will see a cycle back to more modest dress, basic American values, patriotism and good music, right?

Guys I am calling it a night! Catch you on the flip side!

re: #6 joncelli

I'm too tired to fight and I'm all in one piece. Close enough?

Your post discriminates against those of us with more than one personality.

Does not!
Does too!

re: #71 stevieray

/There are three lights!

Vraiment, Jean-Luc. J'entende.

re: #73 zombie

. . .they'll splash beautiful stars like Rachel Weisz and Jennifer Connelly across the marquee, and get eveyrone to watch the film simply because of the actresses starring in it, and then they proceed to indoctrinate the audience with some tiresome anti-capitalist message. . .

Eh. . .
Just about every Hollywood movie has beautiful actresses and anti-capitalist messages in it.

re: #55 brainwizard73

Its not the snowflake falling that gets you.

Its the 40,000,000,000 buddies he brings along.

A modern cultural parallel in Europe, and another too close to home, spring to mind...

re: #76 brainwizard73

So in my lifetime I will see a cycle back to more modest dress, basic American values, patriotism and good music, right?

Who knows? Personally I love girls in skimpy clothing. The other stuff sounds great though! Night all!

re: #26 zombie

I'm quite the film buff, and have seen countless thousands and thousnads of movies. And I've seen lots of completely horrible films -- several of whcih I've declared to be "the worst film I've ever seen" up to that point.

But just tonight I watched what I truly believe is the worst film of all time:

I Am Curious (Yellow).

Oh. My. God.

I had absolutely no clue how cataclysmically loathsome this film would be. I of course had heard about the famous controversy and the Supreme Court obscenity ruling and so forth. But what no one ever mentioned is that the film is a relentless, unbearable exercise in communist propaganda AND nihilistic postmodern filmmaking "techniques." The sex scenes are alternately revolting and tiresome, and when they're not doing it, it's a nonstop parade of indoctrination into the worst ideologies mankind has ever invented.

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

Thats harsh!

re: #74 LoFlyer

Its all politics. The past is the past, only hip topics like global warming, Islamophobia and American atrocities are interesting to MTV and their viewers. strangely enough, violent, female demeaning, and racist "rap" music receives MTV support.

They don't love no ho's.
////

re: #80 looking closely

Eh. . .
Just about every Hollywood movie has an anorexicbeautiful actresses and anti-capitalist messages in it.

Tweaked

No bird every crapped on the wrong head.
-City Zen.

I was curious, (green!) but I'm GLAD I never really found out what (Yellow) was about.

Communism, aaargh!

One of the ugliest, most humorless doses of vomitus excreta ever brought up by humans!

/thanks for the synopsis, Zom... I have now officially put "Curious" on my "Must Miss Liszt!"

re: #55 brainwizard73

Its not the snowflake falling that gets you.

Its the 40,000,000,000 buddies he brings along.

Mixing ideas. No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood.

A bunch of flakes, working together can unleash an avalanche of destruction.
Despair.com

PIMF-

Make that ever not every.

(Birds are lousy spellers. -the Bodhidharma.)

I will leave you all, to go to sleep, with some Jewish Zen. ;)

The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single “Oy.”

If you wish to know The Way, don’t ask for directions. Argue.

Take only what is given. Own nothing but your robes and an alms bowl. Unless, of course, you have the closet space.

Let your mind be as a floating cloud. Let your stillness be as the wooded glen. And sit up straight. You’ll never meet the Buddha with posture like that.

There is no escaping karma. In a previous life, you never called, you never wrote, you never visited. And whose fault was that?

Wherever you go, there you are. Your luggage is another story. Do not let children play contact sports like football. These only lead to injuries and instill a violent, war-like nature. Encourage your child to play peaceful games, like “sports doctor.”

To practice Zen and the art of Jewish motorcycle maintenance, do the following: Get rid of the motorcycle. What were you thinking?

Learn of the pine from the pine. Learn of the bamboo from the bamboo. Learn of the kugel from the kugel.

Be aware of your body. Be aware of your perceptions. Keep in mind that not every physical sensation is a symptom of a terminal illness.

If there is no self, whose arthritis is this?

Those who know do not kibitz. Those who kibitz do not know.

Breathe in. Breathe out. Breathe in. Breathe out. Forget this and attaining Enlightenment will be the least of your problems.

Do not kvetch. Be a kvetch. Become one with your whining.

The Tao has no expectations. The Tao demands nothing of others. The Tao does not speak. The Tao does not blame. The Tao does not take sides. The Tao is not Jewish.

Whenever you feel anger, you should say, “May I be free of this anger!” This rarely works, but talking to yourself in public will encourage others to leave you alone.

Drink tea and nourish life. With the first sip, joy. With the second, satisfaction. With the third, a nice piece of Danish.

The Buddha taught that one should practice loving kindness to all sentient beings. Still, would it kill you to find a nice sentient being who happens to be Jewish?

Be patient and achieve all things. Be impatient and achieve all things faster.

In nature, there is no good or bad, better or worse. The wind may blow or not. The flowering branch grows long or short. Do not judge or prefer. Ask only, “Is it good for the Jews?”

To find the Buddha, look within. Deep inside you are 10,000 flowers. Each flower blossoms 10,000 times. Each blossom has 10,000 petals. You might want to see a specialist.

Be here now. Be someplace else later. Is that so complicated?

Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkes.

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams!

Ah, and when
the City Zen's
shared, my Friend
with citizens
there's much ado
twixt me and you
my ice-cream koan
your can of brew!

re: #7 Maximu§

My head is splitting.....no more Pink lemonade's and Vodka for Max.

add frozen raspberries, ice cubes, and don't mix the lemonade, just take it straight from the freezer.....

/yum.....

My dog just got sprayed by a skunk.... Jeez what a smell. Read peroxide and baking soda are good. Any other suggestions?

re: #87 Karridine

...

/thanks for the synopsis, Zom... I have now officially put "Curious" on my "Must Miss Liszt!"

You'll never have lefty franz you can trust...

re: #80 looking closely

Eh. . .
Just about every Hollywood movie has beautiful actresses and anti-capitalist messages in it.

Exactly! That only shows how influential "I Am Curious (Yellow)" has really been. Those two particular films I mentioned were bald imitations of it, but as you say the concept is utterly commonplace now. Can you think of a film that used beautiful actresses to trick audiences into watching communist propaganda that was made before 1967 (when "Yellow" was released)? I can't.

re: #93 nigella

My dog just got sprayed by a skunk.... Jeez what a smell. Read peroxide and baking soda are good. Any other suggestions?

Tomato juice. Bathe dog in it, throw it away. Works.

re: #93 nigella

My dog just got sprayed by a skunk.... Jeez what a smell. Read peroxide and baking soda are good. Any other suggestions?

Get a new dog?

re: #83 JeremyR

Thats harsh!

I was actually being kind in my review. My real opinion of the film is much lower.

re: #93 nigella

My dog just got sprayed by a skunk.... Jeez what a smell. Read peroxide and baking soda are good. Any other suggestions?

Boarding kennel or an uncle's ranch?

re: #26 zombie

When I read Atlas Shrugged I pretty much blew by all the sexual content.

re: #93 nigella

My dog just got sprayed by a skunk.... Jeez what a smell. Read peroxide and baking soda are good. Any other suggestions?

Isn't tomato juice supposed to neutralize the smell? Of course, then you have a pink dog...

No place ever gets hit by the wrong snowflake.

re: #31 HelloDare

Has somebody checked?

How?

Dirty Dog dot com, Nigella

re: #96 Karridine

Tomato juice. Bathe dog in it, throw it away. Works.

For clarity's sake: keep dog, toss juice.

On line they said tomato juice just masks the smell. Right now I think I like stevierays idea!

re: #87 Karridine

/thanks for the synopsis, Zom... I have now officially put "Curious" on my "Must Miss Liszt!"

A wise choice!

I don't think anyone here is so feeble-minded as to be actually politically affected by the film, but it would be sheer torture for anyone here to watch, believe me.

Thank God for the fast-forward button! It's even easier with foreign films, because the subtitles can still be read at 2x the normal speed, so the sound isn't even necessary.

re: #96 Karridine

Throw away the JUICE, Nigella, not the dog. It wasn't a joke.

re: #101 livefreeor die

Tomato juice works.

I have had to use it.

It works.

The poor dog was so miserable that she didn't care what we were dousing her with.

re: #107 zombie

Kid, I LIKE your style. Speed reading a boring commie porn flick!

re: #93 nigella

I've read tomato juice also for the acid. The 2 you suggested were base it may take both.

re: #109 Syrah

Tomato juice works.

I have had to use it.

It works.

The poor dog was so miserable that she didn't care what we were dousing her with.

Poor thing. Is there anything specific you have to do for their eyes? I remember reading something long ago about the spray being an eye irritant.

re: #26 zombie

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

Nooooo, thank you...

d;^{)>

re: #35 LoFlyer

I remember the title as a child. Never saw it and never will. I do remember how upset my older brother was when the supreme ruled on "I am curious yellow" as pornography which brought out the rating system. He and some of his buds were planning on going to see "Candy" which I found out late was pure porno. He was not a happy camper....

From what I've read he didn't miss anything.

[Link: www.jabootu.com...]

i have to disagree with the quote: any snowflake that falls here in Lost Angels sure as hell is in the wrong place.

/but we could use the water. %-)

re: #110 Karridine

Speed reading a boring commie porn flick!

That was my evening, perfectly encapsulated into seven words!

re: #91 Karridine

The ice-cream koan is silly
It makes your thoughts go willy-nilly
Until you are groggy
And your brain is all soggy
Then suddenly it's bright as a lily

The ice-cream koan is Zen
First you let go of logic and then
You let intuition
Come to its fruition
Enlightenment becomes your ken

re: #113 Meremortal

Nooooo, thank you...

I just wanted someone else to share my agony!

re: #112 livefreeor die

Poor thing. Is there anything specific you have to do for their eyes? I remember reading something long ago about the spray being an eye irritant.

We were miles from civilization. Just lucky that we had the cans of tomato juice with us.

We didn't do anything for her eyes.

She got over it and she stayed far away from skunks thereafter.

Alright... I'm falling asleep at my desk. Time for bed.

Goodnight all!

And nigella... don't listen to me! Keep the dog! Odds are he'll never go near a skunk again, so he is "skunkproof" from now on! ;^)

Mythbuster did the science on this.
Skunks decontamination
Fun fact: skunk spray is made up of 'thiols', which is responsible for some of the bad smell of decomposing flesh and feces.

In the tradition of the stinky pigs, Jamie and Adam volunteered to get skunked in order to test various stink remedies. The only problem was it's a lot harder to get skunked than you might think. Critter control brought by three different skunks, but Jamie and Adam were unable to get any of the three to spray them while they jumped and battered their cages. As Adam said, they must have encountered "Buddha reincarnated as a skunk." More likely, the skunks, having already been captured either used up their spray or couldn't possibly be more frightened. They even tried synthetic skunk spray, but discovered that it loses its pungency fairly quickly.

They finally got some skunk spray by releasing the third skunk in the women's bathroom, though after trying a couple of the remedies, they had to revert to the synthetic spray for some of the testing. Scottie Chapman served as both smell tester as well as female Adam, delivering this segment's colorful dialogue.

Results of the various cleansers:

Tomato juice: smelled like a "bloody mary," but no skunk. plausible
Beer (MGD): used to cleanup bathroom where skunk sprayed. "Smells like the men's room at a dive bar." busted
Douche: Adam took a swig to verify that it's composed vinegar and water. "Not so fresh." busted
Hydrogen peroxide + baking soda + liquid dish soap: it worked. Apparently the mixture releases oxygen compounds that bond with thiols and neutralize their smell. confirmed
Commercial skunk remover: worked, but not as well as the hydrogen peroxide mixture. ok

re: #93 nigella

My dog just got sprayed by a skunk.... Jeez what a smell. Read peroxide and baking soda are good. Any other suggestions?

peroxide, baking soda and a dash of detergent......

w*rked on our cat.

I better turn in too. Night all.

re: #116 zombie

By contrast, I just now watched "Meet the Robinsons" again with my two sons, and it depicts a SERIOUSLY dysfunctional family of badly emotionally-retarded folks who lovingly tolerate each other because of the family's money...

and it is neither boring nor anti-capitalist (PRO-capitalist, wealth & riches flow from ingenuity, IF one will Keep Moving Forward!) nor pro communist... just weird and loving...

re: #93 nigella
LOL The kids at the pet store finally told us (after our dog was sprayed around four times and we were buying the expensive stuff). It's the Massengil (sp?) douche. It does work, but you have to give about three baths with the stuff and you're still going to smell a little something. LOL This is true.

re: #111 Metal Man

I've read tomato juice also for the acid. The 2 you suggested were base it may take both.

but you can't mix the two or they will neutralize each other.....

re: #117 victor_yugo

Bada-BOOM!

VERY well put, Vic! :D

Metal man, and all of you thanks for he suggestions

re: #105 Opilio

For clarity's sake: keep dog, toss juice.

subject, object, whatever - we knew you meant it right. :)

re: #58 victor_yugo

But, one must consider, the easiest way to get viewers to listen to Communist propaganda in the early days was to couch it in a pseudo-porn flick.

Take that, Tipper Gore!

Where as on my blog I post the Thoughts of the Day. Where I trash the left or affirm reality followed by a photo of an actress.

I'm still laughing about NPR's story of the Ohio welfare family who can't afford food.
Lefty propaganda is definitely slipping: They should at least have come up with a couple of cadaverous-looking crackheads to illustrate the story, instead of Mama Hindenberg and Jabba the Slutt.
The latter should be put to work on African famine relief, that might teach them what "can't afford food" really means.

re: #128 nigella
Go to the store, get all of the above. You wont regret it.

deskunk your dog

re: #126 redc1c4
Aren't we the little sneaky scientific one knowing acid and base neutralize:)
(White smoke)

re: #26 zombie

But just tonight I watched what I truly believe is the worst film of all time:

I Am Curious (Yellow).

Some I Am Curious (Yellow) trivia:

• Olof Palme, future Prime Minister of Sweden, played himself in an uncredited role.
• Lena Nyman, won the 1968 Best Leading Actress Guldbagge Award for her performance in the film

re: #88 JeremyR

Mixing ideas. No single raindrop believes it is responsible for the flood.

A bunch of flakes, working together can unleash an avalanche of destruction.
Despair.com

The avalanche has begun, it is too late for the pebbles to vote.

By the way thanks to all of you who suggested tomato juice. It does work. My husband mixed me some with vodka to drink while we waiting for the peroxide mixture on the dog to seep in.Much better now!

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

Instead, they eat a lot of starches like potatoes and noodles.

NPR-speak for "Doritos and ramen"?

PIMF" were"..... working great!

re: #137 nigella
LOl Your husband had the right idea. Did he give you one of those drinks?

re: #137 nigella
That and the kennel out on the porch work every time:)

re: #107 zombie

A wise choice!

I don't think anyone here is so feeble-minded as to be actually politically affected by the film, but it would be sheer torture for anyone here to watch, believe me.

Thank God for the fast-forward button! It's even easier with foreign films, because the subtitles can still be read at 2x the normal speed, so the sound isn't even necessary.

I friend of mine once stole a copy of TRIUMPH OF THE WILL. Four hours of speeches and marching about. That damned thing put me to sleep.

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

I'm still laughing about NPR's story of the Ohio welfare family who can't afford food.
Lefty propaganda is definitely slipping: They should at least have come up with a couple of cadaverous-looking crackheads to illustrate the story, instead of Mama Hindenberg and Jabba the Slutt.
The latter should be put to work on African famine relief, that might teach them what "can't afford food" really means.

Holy Cow! And I do mean cow! They couldn't have chosen two worse subjects for their sob story puff piece. The article concludes with these lines:

The rising cost of food means their money gets them about a third fewer bags of groceries — $100 used to buy about 12 bags of groceries, but now it's more like seven or eight. So they cut back on expensive items like meat, and they don't buy extras like ice cream anymore.

And they they show the picture of these two sad starvation cases: Mother and Daughter.

Oh, the humanity!

re: #137 nigella

By the way thanks to all of you who suggested tomato juice. It does work. My husband mixed me some with vodka to drink while we waiting for the peroxide mixture on the dog to seep in.Much better now!

I gotta know... Is the dog now peroxide blonde?

re: #137 nigella

By the way thanks to all of you who suggested tomato juice. It does work. My husband mixed me some with vodka to drink while we waiting for the peroxide mixture on the dog to seep in.Much better now!

vodka *is* a wonder drug.....

take enough of it, and tomorrow you'll be wondering WTF?

ask Maximus...... %-)

PVT. Yeah, first we were going to use the tomato juice and it was all set. Then I said lets ask the lizards what to do. Went with the peroxide which freed up the tomato juice. Ain't life grand?

re: #113 Meremortal

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

Nooooo, thank you...

d;^{)>

You know TRIUMPH OF THE WILL has a lot of leather in it.

re: #118 zombie

I just wanted someone else to share my agony!

I have to work on my empathy.

re: #138 victor_yugo

NPR-speak for "Doritos and ramen"?

I guess cheetos and ice cream are free in Ohio.

re: #149 Shiplord Kirel

I guess cheetos and ice cream are free in Ohio.

Nobody sent me the bloody memo!

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

Why is it mostly the welfare cases that have large weight problems? They should have enough time in their day to get some exercise. I used to drive cab in a small town with a large number of such creatures. I was ticked that they could afford a two four every week, cab rides, and other such luxuries. While I worked my ass off to drive their lard asses around and ate KD, and if lucky had a two four a month. Well I did gain weight doing it, but I was parked on my ass for 60 hours a week.

Goodnight Lizards, take care. Just saying hi and bye. Be nice to each other.

I am shutting my doggie door in fear of skunks. I have gone through that one to many times.

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

I'm still laughing about NPR's story of the Ohio welfare family who can't afford food.
Lefty propaganda is definitely slipping: They should at least have come up with a couple of cadaverous-looking crackheads to illustrate the story, instead of Mama Hindenberg and Jabba the Slutt.
The latter should be put to work on African famine relief, that might teach them what "can't afford food" really means.

Most crackheads can't even remember (or have sense enough to go outside and look at) the address that they were ordering a pizza from.

And of course they never tip.

re: #131 Shiplord Kirel

I'm still laughing about NPR's story of the Ohio welfare family who can't afford food.
Lefty propaganda is definitely slipping: They should at least have come up with a couple of cadaverous-looking crackheads to illustrate the story, instead of Mama Hindenberg and Jabba the Slutt.
The latter should be put to work on African famine relief, that might teach them what "can't afford food" really means.

"A lot of people have told me, 'Why don't your daughter have a kid?'"

Not. Sayin'. A. Word.

I live on a farm of sorts so my dogs smell like death warmed over every day. Between the neighbors manure pile ,skunks and all the rest they roll in I just keep them outside.

re: #135 Opilio

• Lena Nyman, won the 1968 Best Leading Actress Guldbagge Award for her performance in the film

Talentless hack. Right?

re: #135 Opilio

Some I Am Curious (Yellow) trivia:

• Olof Palme, future Prime Minister of Sweden, played himself in an uncredited role.

Yes, that was the only interesting part of the whole film. He's not really uncredited -- he's identified. He was already a leading politician at the time. He's interviewed for his views on whether Sweden had really acheived a true Socialist state, or whether the class system still oppressed people. He concurs that Sweden's unbearable, hideous class system still pervades, and that "much work still needs to be done." Kind of spooky seeing him in the film.

Another unintentionally hilarious highlight comes when the lead character girl "interviews" Martin Luther King Jr. by intercutting clips of her "asking him a question" and then alternating clips of King (on completely different film stock in a completely different room) answering her with weird non-sequiturs. Beyond amateurish.

And I'm quite sure Olaf Palme's five-year-old son (who also appears) and Martin Luther King Jr. did not appreciate being included in a porn film without their permission. There's no way this film could be made today for that reason alone -- it's a mix of fiction and documentary, and it's quite obvious that none of the real people in the movie ever signed any releases giving permission to use their images. In the modern world, the filmmaker would have been sued off the planet.

But I sure wish they had a "comment" button on that article...

re: #151 BlueCanuck

Why is it mostly the welfare cases that have large weight problems? They should have enough time in their day to get some exercise. I used to drive cab in a small town with a large number of such creatures. I was ticked that they could afford a two four every week, cab rides, and other such luxuries. While I worked my ass off to drive their lard asses around and ate KD, and if lucky had a two four a month. Well I did gain weight doing it, but I was parked on my ass for 60 hours a week.

WTF is a "two four"?

/case of beer?

re: #118 zombie

I just wanted someone else to share my agony!

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Ahhh, a sadist AND a zombie!

We knew about this film when I was young, due to its' the Legion of Decency rating, which was "C" if memory serves. We had no way to see it as it didn't seem to come to our part of the country (North central Texas).

The Dark Knight was badass.

metal man, I'm afraid that Nigel is a pampered pet. I'm ashamed to say he sleeps on our bed, though probably not tonight,!

re: #159 redc1c4

WTF is a "two four"?

/case of beer?

Got it in one. Also known as a box-o-beer in more archaic times.

/24 bottles in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence?

re: #151 BlueCanuck
re: #143 zombie

I am a little miffed tonight because I just found out today that my "insurance" carrier, *spit* Aetna *spit*, is going to pay a total of $17,360 on the hospital bill I ran up after my heart attack last month. This sticks me with the rest of it, some $73,119.

I can actually pay this, having earned some extra dough a couple of years ago and socked it away in savings, but it will take a fearful bite out of the pile.
If I were an obese welfare droid like NPR's starving Nunez family, the state would pick up the whole bill.

I earned the extra dough as a contractor in Iraq, btw.

re: #158 Clemente

But I sure wish they had a "comment" button on that article...

They know better than that. They'd be exposed for the laughing-stocks they are if they allowed comments. Blocking dialogue lets them retain the illusion of relevance.

re: #157 zombie

In the modern world, the filmmaker would have been sued off the planet.

Not so sure, Zom...

Has Michael Mooron been sued for ANY of his mockumentaries? How about that 'comedian' who filmed in Europe, and made a few people the laughing-stocks of the English-speaking world? Was HE sued?

re: #163 BlueCanuck

/24 bottles in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence?

Design!

re: #156 The Other Les

Talentless hack. Right?

"Talentless" hardly even begins to describe it. She's not even an actess. Just a promiscuous girl the filmmaker chose because she agreed to be nude on film.

In fact, the movie begins like this (I am not making this up):

The filmmaker himself announces to the camera he is going to make a movie, and then he is shown in a room with the actress Lena Nyman, and they proceed to have a discussion in which he admits that he only cast her in the film so he could screw her. But she doesn't mind, because she's skanky, and wants to be in a movie. Then her character, also called Lena, heads out to have various communist sexcapades.

There is no boundary between the fictional elements of the film and the non-fiction documentary elements, nor between the world "in front of" the camera and the world "behind" the camera. It takes "annoying" to a new dimension.

But no, she has no idea how to act. A complete rank amateur.

But hey -- she'll have sex on screen! Give her an award!

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

If your policy states otherwise, I suggest a lawyer.

And f*$% arbitration.

Shiplord, I had to deal with a hospital bill for my cousins estate when she died. I was able to negotiate her bill in half. It's worth a try to see if you offer them a cash payoff what they will do. Sucks, doesn't it?

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

re: #143 zombie

I am a little miffed tonight because I just found out today that my "insurance" carrier, *spit* Aetna *spit*, is going to pay a total of $17,360 on the hospital bill I ran up after my heart attack last month. This sticks me with the rest of it, some $73,119.

I can actually pay this, having earned some extra dough a couple of years ago and socked it away in savings, but it will take a fearful bite out of the pile.
If I were an obese welfare droid like NPR's starving Nunez family, the state would pick up the whole bill.

I earned the extra dough as a contractor in Iraq, btw.

STOP!

Please know that you can negotiate it down. Do not pay without negotiating.

re: #151 BlueCanuck

Why is it mostly the welfare cases that have large weight problems? They should have enough time in their day to get some exercise. I used to drive cab in a small town with a large number of such creatures. I was ticked that they could afford a two four every week, cab rides, and other such luxuries. While I worked my ass off to drive their lard asses around and ate KD, and if lucky had a two four a month. Well I did gain weight doing it, but I was parked on my ass for 60 hours a week.

I was in line at the grocer last week. The lady in front of me was buying brand name frosted flakes. I was buying generic shredded wheats. I'll let you guess which of us was using food stamps.
Government handouts lead people to believe poor choices such as buying the less economical alternative have no consequences. This belief carries over into other areas of life such as believing that choosing to working longer hours will not result in more income. Or that choosing frosted flakes over shredded wheat will not lead to an expanded waist line

re: #147 The Other Les

You know TRIUMPH OF THE WILL has a lot of leather in it.

-----

Sigh...

re: #163 BlueCanuck

Got it in one. Also known as a box-o-beer in more archaic times.

/24 bottles in a case, 24 hours in a day. Coincidence?

nope: intelligent design...... %-)

/white smoke

re: #162 nigella

I get that actually pets are as different as people and mine love the freedom more than the house. They moved with me from the city to the country and also slowly moved slowly out of the house.
They are still spoiled just differently than before.

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

I am a little miffed tonight because I just found out today that my "insurance" carrier, *spit* Aetna *spit*, is going to pay a total of $17,360 on the hospital bill I ran up after my heart attack last month. This sticks me with the rest of it, some $73,119.

Wow! That is one hell of a co-pay. Are you going to try to negotiate your way out of part of it?

re: #176 JustMyView

Wow! That is one hell of a co-pay. Are you going to try to negotiate your way out of part of it?

Definitely. I am also going to get an exceptionally mean lawyer I know to go over the policy and the bill with a fine-tooth comb.

Just hit the wall. Good nite-all.

re: #166 Karridine

Not so sure, Zom...

Has Michael Mooron been sued for ANY of his mockumentaries? How about that 'comedian' who filmed in Europe, and made a few people the laughing-stocks of the English-speaking world? Was HE sued?

Actually, yes, he was. Multiple times. (You're talking about Sacha Baron Coehn in his "Borat" character, right?) At least three different people in the film sued the production company, even though they had in fact signed releases. They just didn't know how follish they'd look on screen.

As for Michael Moore, he purports that his movies are all non-fiction and "newsworthy," so the rules are different. But I wouldn't be surprised if he has gotten sued as well.

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Definitely. I am also going to get an exceptionally mean lawyer I know to go over the policy and the bill with a fine-tooth comb.

Good luck! No one with insurance should get that kind of bill or, at least, a bill that is such a large proportion of the whole.

re: #168 zombie

This may explain some of the things Monty Python did.

Metalman, We had another dog who died in December that was like that. This dog is a prissy house dog. Couldn't cope outside all the time. Of course that's going to be tested tonight!

re: #26 zombie

I'm quite the film buff, and have seen countless thousands and thousnads of movies. And I've seen lots of completely horrible films -- several of whcih I've declared to be "the worst film I've ever seen" up to that point.

But just tonight I watched what I truly believe is the worst film of all time:

I Am Curious (Yellow).

Oh. My. God.

I had absolutely no clue how cataclysmically loathsome this film would be. I of course had heard about the famous controversy and the Supreme Court obscenity ruling and so forth. But what no one ever mentioned is that the film is a relentless, unbearable exercise in communist propaganda AND nihilistic postmodern filmmaking "techniques." The sex scenes are alternately revolting and tiresome, and when they're not doing it, it's a nonstop parade of indoctrination into the worst ideologies mankind has ever invented.

I want to warn the world "DO NOT WATCH THIS FILM!", but actually I do recommend it to everyone here, just to see of the seminal documents of modern leftism. Your mind will be blown as you simultaneously die of boredom.

Cataclysmically loathsome! Wow! Talk about turning a phrase.

BHO is cataclysmically loathsome.

re: #179 zombie

Well, THAT is reassuring, in at least SOME small degree, Zom!

Yes, Sacha Boring, that's the one...

Cataclysmically loathsome!

Rotating title nomination!

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

re: #143 zombie

I am a little miffed tonight because I just found out today that my "insurance" carrier, *spit* Aetna *spit*, is going to pay a total of $17,360 on the hospital bill I ran up after my heart attack last month. This sticks me with the rest of it, some $73,119.

I can actually pay this, having earned some extra dough a couple of years ago and socked it away in savings, but it will take a fearful bite out of the pile.
If I were an obese welfare droid like NPR's starving Nunez family, the state would pick up the whole bill.

I earned the extra dough as a contractor in Iraq, btw.

hospital bills are *notoriously* over padded..... reread your coverage, check with a lawyer, and demand an itemized bill, as well as a complete copy of your medical record. the first thing to do is challenge any and all billings that aren't supported by a written record of administration (for medications, meals, etc, or order, for xrays, tests, etc..... if the doc didn't write the order, or the nurse didn't document the administration, they can't prove you got it, or in the case of tests, etc, that it was ordered, and therefore, they can't charge you for it.

the very request should slow them down considerably, since you now appear to be someone who understands the game. we won't get into the pricing schemes, let alone how none of the insurers pay list, but they expect you to do so.

email is blue, should you wish to go into details.

red
(medical insider)

re: #185 victor_yugo

Second!

re: #170 nigella

Shiplord, I had to deal with a hospital bill for my cousins estate when she died. I was able to negotiate her bill in half. It's worth a try to see if you offer them a cash payoff what they will do. Sucks, doesn't it?

It does indeed. I will remind Aetna that if I had limited my treatment to what they would pay for plus a reasonable co-pay (say 20%), I would now be as dead as Che Guevara and unable to pay further premiums.
Even a gang of heartless brigands like Aetna should understand that.

re: #164 Shiplord Kirel

If I were an obese welfare droid like NPR's starving Nunez family, the state would pick up the whole bill..

I know. That fact drives me crazy.

I "know" someone (actually, I'm practically related to him) who is a complete disaster, never worked a single day in his life, survived by petty crime and welfare fraud scams, and now he's getting seriously ill in various ways (entirely due to his drug abuse), and he has racked up unimaginable medical expenses over the past five years -- spinal surgery, MRIs, CAT scans, esoteric and expensive procedures, you name it. Must be in the millions.

And because he's "indigent," the government pays for ALL of it. His personal expenses are ZERO.

What makes it doubly infuriating is that he's not actually "indigent" at all, he's just very good at scamming the system and not earning any taxable money.

Grrrrrrr!

re: #184 Karridine

Well, THAT is reassuring, in at least SOME small degree, Zom!

Yes, Sacha Boring, that's the one...

Never saw it. Don't plan to.

It did get the 30 second bunnies treatment though.

[Link: www.angryalien.com...]

re: #188 Shiplord Kirel

It does indeed. I will remind Aetna that if I had limited my treatment to what they would pay for plus a reasonable co-pay (say 20%), I would now be as dead as Che Guevara and unable to pay further premiums.
Even a gang of heartless brigands like Aetna should understand that.

let me know how that w*rks out for you....... %-)

re: #186 redc1c4

Indeed

re: #181 The Other Les

This may explain some of the things Monty Python did.

Yes, it's like one of those many-layered Monty Python skits -- BUT SERIOUS!

re: #192 pat

Indeed

i may be an a$$hole, but i'm *really* good at the things i'm good at......

(like being an a$$hole. %-)

re: #190 The Other Les

And some people wonder why I don't like modern comedies.

/was bored to tears by "Dumb and Dumber. thought the title was a perfect summation of the plot and acting.

With the "poor" welfare recipients who couldn't afford food, When I was first married we were struggling to make ends meet. We had a newborn and so we temporarily went on WIC,Women, Infants, and Children. I used my vouchers sparingly buying generic etc. I always found others on the program buying the most expensive. If you were frugal you could actually get more for your vouchers. Some didn't do that. To make a long story short we were booted off the program because my husband was an independent contractor and it was hard to verify his income.That was all right because we always felt bad about taking welfare. It did bother me to see non-English speaking women get the help. Even 30 years ago they had an impact.

re: #164

Shiplord Kirel

re: #186 redc1c4

hospital bills are *notoriously* over padded..... reread your coverage, check with a lawyer, and demand an itemized bill, as well as a complete copy of your medical record. the first thing to do is challenge any and all billings that aren't supported by a written record of administration (for medications, meals, etc, or order, for xrays, tests, etc..... if the doc didn't write the order, or the nurse didn't document the administration, they can't prove you got it, or in the case of tests, etc, that it was ordered, and therefore, they can't charge you for it.

the very request should slow them down considerably, since you now appear to be someone who understands the game. we won't get into the pricing schemes, let alone how none of the insurers pay list, but they expect you to do so.

email is blue, should you wish to go into details.

red
(medical insider)

Word.

re: #26 zombie

http://blogs.ign.com/Horror_Brain/2006/06/29/23243 /

top 10 most disgusting movies ever.

the number one sounds so awful i got nauseated just from reading about it.

August Underground’s Mordum

re: #193 zombie

Yes, it's like one of those many-layered Monty Python skits -- BUT SERIOUS!

But then LIFE OF BRIAN was their take on modern society as set in ancient Judea.

re: #189 zombie

To my thinking, THIS situation (NOT indigent, but good at scamming) is a good example of why we need a simple system, based on justice. Such system is unattainable under the frameworks currently extant, based on written laws...

The laws keep getting scammed! No justice.

re: #197 Clemente

Word.

I was once billed $11.00 for 600 milligrams of Ibuprofen.

re: #200 Karridine

No matter the laws, they will always get scammed.

Sunday afternoon tasks call.

bbiaw...

re: #177 Shiplord Kirel

Definitely. I am also going to get an exceptionally mean lawyer I know to go over the policy and the bill with a fine-tooth comb.

A meeting with the Hospital Administrator could sort this out first. Use your atty friend as a backup.

Hat in hand strategy works well - do not confront (at first) - you may be amazed with the outcome. They do have compassion and the power to cut your bill.

re: #202 victor_yugo

Exactly, hence the need for a just, fair system based on justice, not 'laws'...

re: #197 Clemente

Word.

we try...... BTW: request the medical record BEFORE you request the itemized bill, so no one can "edit" it as needed*......then the bill, after you get the records. make sure your written request specifies that you want the complete, any and all records, that they have. see your lawyer for details & specifics, but this also makes it harder for them to "find" additional documentation later.

* not that anyone would ever *do* such a thing.........
/

re: #201 The Other Les

I was once billed $11.00 for 600 milligrams of Ibuprofen.

care to guess what their cost was for that tablet? %-)

re: #207 redc1c4

care to guess what their cost was for that tablet? %-)

No.

re: #205 Karridine

Exactly, hence the need for a just, fair system based on justice, not 'laws'...

No matter the system, it must be codified. Hence, it will always be scammed.

Careful there, Karridine. When one speaks of "justice" in economic matters, one is inches away from The Dark Side.

re: #206 redc1c4

we try...... BTW: request the medical record BEFORE you request the itemized bill, so no one can "edit" it as needed*......then the bill, after you get the records. make sure your written request specifies that you want the complete, any and all records, that they have. see your lawyer for details & specifics, but this also makes it harder for them to "find" additional documentation later.

* not that anyone would ever *do* such a thing.........
/

Touche.

, re: #207 redc1c4

probably between 1 cent and 2

re: #201 The Other Les

I was once billed $11.00 for 600 milligrams of Ibuprofen.

I'd bet there's folks paying twice that, four times a day. Hospitals gotta make up the ER red ink somewhere, or just chain the doors.

anyone here see the dark knight? the joker truly was the most evil bad guy i've ever seen on film.

Looking at welfare recipients is like looking at any other segment of society. I worked as a Cashier in a supermarket in what would be the inner city. I saw both ends of the spectrum. Those that were on food stamps for the short term who would shop like you or I on a budget. Then those that were going to be lifers, sent their kids one at a time with a pack of Koolaid with a $1 food stamp to collect the change. Saw many an abuse and got whacked by management if I brought it up.

re: #198 pegcity

[Link: blogs.ign.com...] 6/29/23243/

top 10 most disgusting movies ever.

the number one sounds so awful i got nauseated just from reading about it.

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I've seen the #8 movie on that list, "Salo" and it is at least as bad as they describe. I actually saw in a theater, and it was the only time I've ever witnessed the entire audience (except me and my friend) walking out on a film halfway through.

I'm pretty much immune to anything, but "Salo" truly was disgusting, even to me.

re: #212 Clemente

I'd bet there's folks paying twice that, four times a day. Hospitals gotta make up the ER red ink somewhere, or just chain the doors.

Uh - illegals sucking the system?

re: #206 redc1c4

we try...... BTW: request the medical record BEFORE you request the itemized bill, so no one can "edit" it as needed*......then the bill, after you get the records. make sure your written request specifies that you want the complete, any and all records, that they have. see your lawyer for details & specifics, but this also makes it harder for them to "find" additional documentation later.

* not that anyone would ever *do* such a thing.........
/

Again, excellent.

re: #215 zombie

I saw the movie Funny games and i must say it was super messed up, not because its gory, its just ubber disturbing almost due to its lack of gore

When I was young and poor (as opposed to old and poor like now) my cousin and I were sitting around our cruddy apartment eating sauteed left-overs and bemoaning our situation when we had the bright idea of "Hey, Let's get on welfare! We could buy cereal like Cap'n Crunch! We made fantasy grocery lists and planned meals. In the end, I couldn't go through with it. I kept thinking about how pissed off my grandfather would be and I felt guilty because I always had money for beer and cigarettes. Difference in people, I guess.

re: #204 Bobibutu

A meeting with the Hospital Administrator could sort this out first. Use your atty friend as a backup.

Hat in hand strategy works well - do not confront (at first) - you may be amazed with the outcome. They do have compassion and the power to cut your bill.

do your research *before* you make any meetings, not after. "hat in hand" may be a good pose/style to use, but have all your facts in order first, and know exactly where you stand, and how much of the bill is BS, before you go in. that way, if they play hardball, or arogant, you can cut them down immediately. introduce your lawyer as "a friend" so they think they have two schmucks, ready for a cleaning.

care givers may have compassion, administrators, not so much.

re: #208 The Other Les

No.

let's just say that they were going to make over $10.95 on that tab, not allowing for labor costs in getting it to you.....

dirt costs more than Motrin.

re: #213 pegcity

I saw it Friday and yes he was. I always kinda liked Keith Ledger (sp) in the other things I saw him in (even in crappy movies he rose above). But he was superb in this role.

It has been asserted, in the Zen Doctrine of No Mind, that the belief that one possesses a self is an illusion.

But one either does possess a self, or one does not.

If one does possess a self, then the belief that one possesses a self can be no delusion.

If one does not possess a self, then there is no one inside one to BE deluded, hence there can be no delusion this way, either.

re: #211 pegcity

,

probably between 1 cent and 2

if that...... but you get the picture. the labor costs in getting it there are another issue entirely. doctor, nurse, floor clerk, pharmacy tech, pharmacist, pharmacy tech/runner/automated machine, nurse/lvn to administer med, and record in in chart, medical records person, chart review, archives...... you can kinda understand why they want $11. %-)

re: #196 nigella

I'm not opposed to feeding hungry women and children but Government food stamps just do an amazingly poor job at it. Most places I've lived, have community food banks where better off residents donate a few canned goods and a package of diapers a week and the poorer residents come when they need help.
The problem with food stamps is that the the one buying the food is not the one paying for the food and thus has no real need to ration. When I donate to a food bank, I donate basically the same food I eat (I generally just drop some of my own canned goods in a barrel as I leave the store and donate a turkey at the building before Thanksgiving) and I am forced to weigh the cost versus the nutritional value. Food stamp recipients are exempted from choosing between taste and finance, unless like yourself you impose that restriction on yourself.
Also, the overhead cost of running a food bank is lower than food stamps. Food stamps require hundreds of bureaucrats to oversea to defend against fraud. Food bank on the other had are normally run by an elderly nun or hippie depending on where you live, with a handful of volunteers.
Either way glad you're doing better now.

re: #224 redc1c4

america has much better health care than we do up in canada so be thankful for that. I've had to pay out of pocket to get a deviated septum operated on that was causing daily migraines and almost ruined my life. 2 specialists here and nothing wrong, one trip to the plastic surgeon and he was like wow you need surgery.

Socialist medacine just makes u so annoyed that you avoid going to the doctor at all costs.

re: #216 Bobibutu

Uh - illegals sucking the system?

Tell McCain - I would - but, to his left, don't waste your breath. The evaporation of our southern border has no meaning except as a source of votes (on the left) and cheap illegal labor (on the "right") and we who work, vote, pray, pledge, and dream, aren't among those entitled to representation.

re: #225 Neo Con since 9-11

the problem also is poor people subsist on cheap starchy trans fat laden foods, im not sure if its a cost thing or what but theres a reason that the majority of people on welfare are obese.

re: #226 pegcity

america has much better health care than we do up in canada so be thankful for that. I've had to pay out of pocket to get a deviated septum operated on that was causing daily migraines and almost ruined my life. 2 specialists here and nothing wrong, one trip to the plastic surgeon and he was like wow you need surgery.

Socialist medacine just makes u so annoyed that you avoid going to the doctor at all costs.

i wasn't complaing about the system, since i make my living in it (pharmacy tech) as does Household 6 (pharmacist). i just understand the in's & outs of it better than most, and was looking to help a fellow lizard.

trust me: having had military health care, i'll pass on the Canadian system, no matter what Obanal and his ilk say.

"we'd have to send you into town to test for this, and that costs money, so we'll just rule it out......" true story.

re: #224 redc1c4

Have you seen the amount the auto mechanic charges you for grease on their bill? Not an excuse just a point of reference.

The Medical system is screwed because of third party payers one. and the overhead of risk because of law suits.

Just like vouchers for school we need medical savings accounts for health care. Get the Government out of the free market.

It wont ever be cheap as shown by the auto mechanic but it will get better than it is.

re: #225 Neo Con since 9-11

I'm not opposed to feeding hungry women and children but Government food stamps just do an amazingly poor job at it. Most places I've lived, have community food banks where better off residents donate a few canned goods and a package of diapers a week and the poorer residents come when they need help.
The problem with food stamps is that the the one buying the food is not the one paying for the food and thus has no real need to ration. ...

What infuriates me more than anything is people who use food stamps to buy un-nutritious food. (Also, food stamps are a currency in the "underground economy" in ghettos, and are often traded for about 60¢ on the dollar in real money.)

One possible solution is to set up "Food stamp supermarkets" that cater exclusively to holders of food stamps. Except these stores will ONLY stock healthy foods and/or nutritionally sound foods. So that people can buy whatever they want in the store, but no junk food is for sale in the first place. So they'll have no choice but to have a better diet.

This is getting fucking ridiculous.

Zimbabwe's troubled central bank introduced $100 billion banknotes Saturday in a desperate bid to ease the recurrent cash shortages plaguing the inflation-ravaged economy.

The bills officially come into circulation Monday, although they were on the foreign currency dealers market Saturday.

As high as they are, though, the bills still aren't enough to buy a loaf of bread. They can buy only four oranges.

The new note is equal to just one U.S. dollar.

The inflation rate in Zimbabwe is officially 2.2 million percent.

Kim Il Bob (Mugabe) is beyond incompetent, and the AU is giving him a free pass. I'm frankly surprised that no one's put out a hit on him -- not that we'd hear about it if someone tried.

re: #228 pegcity

the problem also is poor people subsist on cheap starchy trans fat laden foods, im not sure if its a cost thing or what but theres a reason that the majority of people on welfare are obese.

As I tried to say in my #172, but maybe I wasn't clear. An individual given free money from the from the government is likely to develop sloppy thinking regarding household budgeting. The habit of sloppy thinking about household budgeting is likely to slip into related areas such as household nutrition.

re: #232 Steffan

This is getting fucking ridiculous.

The inflation rate in Zimbabwe is officially 2.2 million percent.

Kim Il Bob (Mugabe) is beyond incompetent, and the AU is giving him a free pass. I'm frankly surprised that no one's put out a hit on him -- not that we'd hear about it if someone tried.

I've got a couple 10 Billion Mark notes from 1923 Germany. (A wheelbarrow-full could get you a loaf of bread if you got to the store before noon.) They're still pretty common and not worth much numismatically, but still interesting as historical artifacts.

It seems that Mugabe is making the exact same blunders that the Weimar-era German government did. "He who does not learn from history is condemned to repeat it."

Incompetence on a scale never before witnessed.

Olivia Judson: “Let’s not call what we’re doing ‘Darwinism’.” - by William Dembski

re: #226 pegcity

america has much better health care than we do up in canada so be thankful for that. I've had to pay out of pocket to get a deviated septum operated on that was causing daily migraines and almost ruined my life. 2 specialists here and nothing wrong, one trip to the plastic surgeon and he was like wow you need surgery.

Socialist medacine just makes u so annoyed that you avoid going to the doctor at all costs.

Right. They keep costs down by refusing treatment wherever possible.

And the Dems want to institute that here.

Riddle me this: Where will Canadians go if they can't come to the US to get the treatment they need?

“I’m sure Canadians like their health system. Just remember, though, that Canada’s backup system is in Montana,” writes Don Surber of the Charleston Daily Mail in West Virginia. “Great Falls has enough neonatal units to handle quadruple births and a ’universal health’ nation doesn’t.”

The headline in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reads “Canadians love their health care n in Montana.”

“Universal health care is a pretty edifice to cover the ugly reality of rationing treatment within a bureaucratic monstrosity,” writes Patrick McIlheran. “Great testimony for single-payer health care: Can’t handle a C-section, can’t find any room at neonatal intensive care units, has to fly mothers in labor to a small town in the savage land of only half-governmentalized care just so they can bear children.”

re: #231 zombie

The part about welfare that sucks the most is that in being compassionate we drive a segment of society into submission (I know there's a better word just not coming to me at the moment). There needs to be social stigmas for bad choices and we have removed them. I want every child to get what they need and am willing to sacrifice for that goal but in my heart I think right now we are dooming more kids to lives of pain than helping get them out.

re: #232 Steffan

Regarding Zimbabwe, Matt Lee discusses the UNSC vote on Zimbabwe. The rest of the diavlog is interesting too.

re: #209 victor_yugo

Yes, I know of what you speak. I have experienced 42 years of justice on the Light side... Its voluntary, and dang! its fair and friendly!

/yes, there ARE codifications, but the scamming is almost nonexistent, Yugo... :D

re: #231 zombie

Food Stamp Supermarkets would be huge improvement over the current system where you can spend your entire food stamp allowance on chips, candy and ice cream. Still the bureaucracy would be huge and costly. Who decides what is healthy? Who monitors the supermarkets to make sure they are following the rules?
It also divorces the recipient of the food stamps from all economic considerations. Extremely lean T-Bone may be as healthy as ground chicken so I chose on price. The food stamp shopper is under no such constraints and will choose the more expensive option almost every time.

re: #231 zombie

What infuriates me more than anything is people who use food stamps to buy un-nutritious food. (Also, food stamps are a currency in the "underground economy" in ghettos, and are often traded for about 60¢ on the dollar in real money.)

One possible solution is to set up "Food stamp supermarkets" that cater exclusively to holders of food stamps. Except these stores will ONLY stock healthy foods and/or nutritionally sound foods. So that people can buy whatever they want in the store, but no junk food is for sale in the first place. So they'll have no choice but to have a better diet.

The ACLU would have a field day with that!

i'm gonna take the left over tomato juice, and some other stuff, and go spice of the fruitcup fixins..... and then call it a night.

tell LoL to enjoy!

L8r, y'all............. %-)

Later Red

re: #242 redc1c4

Although tomatos are fruits, I don't believe they belong in the fruitcups.

/leave it on the buffet with the vodka.

re: #234 zombie

I've got a couple 10 Billion Mark notes from 1923 Germany. (A wheelbarrow-full could get you a loaf of bread if you got to the store before noon.) They're still pretty common and not worth much numismatically, but still interesting as historical artifacts.

It seems that Mugabe is making the exact same blunders that the Weimar-era German government did. "He who does not learn from history is condemned to repeat it."

Incompetence on a scale never before witnessed.

Absolutely. That's why I'm surprised he's still alive.

Weren't the Germans overprinting extra zeros on those notes toward the end of the '20s?

I might be tempted to try to get one of the Zim notes just for the sake of it. I think that might make the Guinness book for highest-denomination note ever printed. So far.

re: #232 Steffan

This is getting fucking ridiculous.

The inflation rate in Zimbabwe is officially 2.2 million percent.

Kim Il Bob (Mugabe) is beyond incompetent, and the AU is giving him a free pass. I'm frankly surprised that no one's put out a hit on him -- not that we'd hear about it if someone tried.

It is ridiculous. I'm in Botswana and was reading a South African paper that had the price listed up top: R4.5, in Zimbabwe $300 Billion. Something like that anyway. It's out of control. A lot of Zimbabweans in Botswana by the way (more of them than Batswana).

re: #242 redc1c4

...spice up (?) the fruitcup fixins...

Pry that vod from Max's grip, it'll be well spent!

re: #231 zombie

So they'll have no choice but to have a better diet.

When I read the sad story of Ma Blimpenberg and Gobble D. Glutt being cut from 12 bags of food to 'only' 8 bags, I thought maybe they could benefit from being 'cut' to 5 bags of GOOD food...

So I support a plan such as you suggest: ONLY quality, bulk food. No 'frosted' flakes, no 'imported Brazilian chocolate' or 'empty-caloric fluff-biscuits', Zom

G'nite, all. 4am here. Zombie- you can really turn a phrase.

re: #248 Karridine

As good as the idea sounds, I have to be against it. It smacks of nanny statism. And if we do it for the poor unfortunates on social assistance(tongue firmly embedded in cheek), what would stop the "do-gooders" from applying that to everyone else? I say let them gobble them selves out of existence. I bet their life expectancy is less then mine.

/let the fit, and fleet of foot survive.

re: #64 zombie

Despite everything I've said, "I Am Curious (Yellow) was, until "Il Postino" won the best picture Oscar, the highest grossing foreign film of all time! And it remains the most-watched Swedish film in history.

"Il Postino" is commie propaganda as well. Very slickly produced and sappily sentimental commie propaganda.

But with a hawt Italian chick.

re: #236 Steffan

your so right

re: #240 Neo Con since 9-11

Still the bureaucracy would be huge and costly. Who decides what is healthy? Who monitors the supermarkets to make sure they are following the rules?

re: #241 tommygum

The ACLU would have a field day with that!

I realize my "food stamp supermarket" proposal would be spun as nutritional totalitariansim by the Left: Rich people can buy whatever food they want, but food stamp recipients are limited to the shameful "poor people's prison food warehouse," the stories would go. But what other solution is there?

Here's one:

At first, food stamps could be used to buy ANYTHING in a food store. But the government soon found out people were using them to buy cigarattes and alcohol. So the rules were changed: food stamps could no longer be used to buy any product containing tobacco or alcohol. And the govt severely punishes any retailer who violates that rule. Fine. So why don't we simply EXPAND THE LIST of foodstuffs that are not allowed to be purchased with foodstamps? Anything that is mostly sugar (i.e candy-type products) -- can't buy it. Anything with basically no nutritional value (i.e. Kool-Aid, Diet Coke, etc.) -- can't buy it. But how to stop people from buying high-fat/low protein foods (like potato chips, etc.)? Hard to devise an enforceable rule for that.

Another suggestion: All food stamp recipients be required to attend nutrition classes (one or two hours a month) as a prerequisite for getting the stamps. Maybe it won't stop them from buying junk food, but perhaps a little wisdom will creep in to their brains and at least some people will make wise choices.

There is no scheme that will force people to eat healthy other than education with the willingness to receive it. We may be able to limit choices but it wont work. The likely outcome will be malnourished children. Anything that a child can't cook on their own will not be cooked for them. Living in these neighborhoods is an enlightening experience.

re: #250 BlueCanuck

As good as the idea sounds, I have to be against it. It smacks of nanny statism. And if we do it for the poor unfortunates on social assistance (tongue firmly embedded in cheek), what would stop the "do-gooders" from applying that to everyone else? I say let them gobble them selves out of existence. I bet their life expectancy is less then mine.

/let the fit, and fleet of foot survive.

I just typed, then abandoned, a comment very close to this precise sentiment, Blue.

I want the right to choose, and I felt hugely embarrassed the one time I actually did need, and applied for, food stamps. To go from that to 'Second-Class Citizens' Food-Stamp Redemption Center' is NOT something I want.

I stand corrected.

I'm wondering if there might be a sly subversive at NPR. Could any reasonably intelligent person look at those two and not think unstrapping the (12) feedbags is a good idea?

re: #100 The Other Les

When I read Atlas Shrugged I pretty much blew by all the sexual content.

there was sexual content WHO KNEW?

re: #253 zombie

Gotta love mean old america, where the poorest people are also the fattest.

explain that one to someone in Africa

re: #255 Karridine

I understand. I have been on welfare twice in my life. Both times I was between jobs and I needed money to buy food and pay rent. As a smoker it was a very difficult period in my life. :) The choices I made though in grocery shopping was all no name and cheap foods. I was never happier to get back to work.

re: #259 BlueCanuck

wouldn't that be IE, not welfare?