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Top Obama Fund-Raiser Had Ties to Failed Bank

Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 8:37:08 am PDT

I hope there’s still some room left under the Obama campaign’s bus: A Top Obama Fund-Raiser Had Ties to Failed Bank.

For the Pritzker family of Chicago, the 2001 collapse of subprime-mortgage lender Superior Bank was an embarrassing failure in a corner of their giant business empire.

Billionaire Penny Pritzker helped run Hinsdale, Ill.-based Superior, overseeing her family’s 50% ownership stake. She now serves as Barack Obama’s national campaign-finance chairwoman, which means her banking past could prove to be an embarrassment to her — and perhaps to the campaign.

Superior was seized in 2001 and later closed by federal regulators. Government investigators and consumer advocates have contended that Superior engaged in unsound financial activities and predatory lending practices. Ms. Pritzker, a longtime friend and supporter of Sen. Obama, served for a time as Superior’s chairman, and later sat on the board of its holding company.

Sen. Obama has long criticized predatory subprime mortgage lenders and urged strong actions against them.

In a prepared statement, the Obama campaign noted that Ms. Pritzker was never accused of wrongdoing by regulators in connection with Superior, and that her family agreed to pay $460 million to help defray the costs of Superior’s collapse.

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1 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:38:45am

Under da bus!

2 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:39:30am

Her family agreed to pay $460 million to defray costs after they ruined the bank? My that's pretty generous of them isn't it?

3 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:39:39am

That's not the billionaire Penny Pritzker I knew.

4 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:39:43am
5 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:40:23am

"Do as I say, not as I do" comes into play here?

6 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:41:09am
7 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:41:29am

re: #1 VegasRick

Under da bus!

I don't think the bus has anymore traction. You'd think all the people that he's thrown under the bus would at least lift the bus from having any traction at all?

What am I saying here? Obama's campaign lacking traction now? Maybe that's it.

8 livefreeor die  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:41:31am

We're going to need monster truck tires on the bus soon.

9 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:41:46am

The Pritzkers are into the Obama camp pretty deep, as they have been supporters of Daley for quite some time. They are very rich, and donate heavily to the Chicago Democratic Organization aka The Chicago Machine.

They have a pavilion in Millenium Park (which they gave a lot of money for) named after them, and they are also behind the push to move the Children's Museum into Grant Park.

10 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:41:51am

So, it's okay for his friends to engage in predatory lending, but if your friends engage in predatory lending, that's no good. Yes, I do see a double standard here. As usual. Indeed, it's Obama as usual.

Also, the Pritzker family name sounded familiar to me for reasons beyond this story. They are behind the famous architectural prize by the same name.

11 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:42:10am

re: #2 JohnnyReb

It was probably incentive for investigators to not press charges or ask too questions.

12 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:42:40am

re: #6 buzzsawmonkey

BTW--wasn't it only a few years ago that "predatory subprime mortgage lenders" were "progressive lenders redressing the historical injustice of lending discrimination?"

How times change.


Looks like there might have been some reasons for the lending "discrimination."disgression.

13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:42:47am

re: #3 kansas

That's not the billionaire Penny Pritzker I knew.

But the money is innocent, so I'll keep that.

14 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:42:52am

OT but on Obama: I found an interesting picture on Yahoo here
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

You'd think his campaign would at least use a Boeing jet rather than an A320? Of all the protectionist crap he's been crying about, he's ironically fine with using Airbus for their jets.

15 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:43:13am

re: #10 lawhawk

Lawhawk, you might want to do some investigative reporting into the Pritzkers. It might make a very good blog article.

16 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:43:20am

Ms. Pritzker sounds like a mere speed bump for the Obama Bus.

17 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:43:33am
18 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:43:57am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But the money is innocent, so I'll keep that.


Good idea. I would too. I heard congress just passed themselves a 15 G per month pension after one term. If that's true, no wonder people want to serve. I want to serve.

19 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:44:04am
20 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:44:36am

re: #16 Lawrence Schmerel

Ms. Pritzker sounds like a mere speed bump for the Obama Bus.

No, considering her support for both Daley and Obama, Obama could be in deep financial trouble if he throws her under the bus. Obama will do all he can to cover up the failure of Superior.

21 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:45:31am

I'm sure those media titans busy slobbering over Glowbama's World Tour will be all over this story.

22 David Simon  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:45:32am

re: #9 Honorary Yooper

The Pritzkers are into the Obama camp pretty deep, as they have been supporters of Daley for quite some time. They are very rich, and donate heavily to the Chicago Democratic Organization aka The Chicago Machine.

They have a pavilion in Millenium Park (which they gave a lot of money for) named after them, and they are also behind the push to move the Children's Museum into Grant Park.

They are also quite the dysfunctional family:

[Link: business.timesonline.co.uk...]

23 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:46:00am

re: #19 ploome hineni

Indeed.

re: #15 Honorary Yooper
I'm sure of it, but that would probably be a full time job. NYC metro area politics is a job and a half.

24 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:46:01am

re: #17 buzzsawmonkey

I'm sure that "predatory lenders" will get off with just a slap on the risk.

One young lady who works for me got one of those "really sweet loan deals" awhile back and of course defaulted on it. She went to the State AG with about 15 other people and he filed suit against the company. They got fined less than $5,000 per case, and no jail time or anything else.

25 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:46:22am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

No, considering her support for both Daley and Obama, Obama could be in deep financial trouble if he throws her under the bus. Obama will do all he can to cover up the failure of Superior.


Garth Obama will sing:
I've got friends in high places
Where they money rings and the press chases
My troubles away.

Cmon Everybody Sing
Second Verse anyone?

26 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:46:31am

re: #20 Honorary Yooper

Obama will have the willing assistance of Big Media no matter what he does.

27 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:46:37am

re: #2 JohnnyReb

Her family agreed to pay $460 million to defray costs after they ruined the bank? My that's pretty generous of them isn't it?

It's Pretty Penny alright.

28 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:46:54am

re: #11 Killgore Trout

It was probably incentive for investigators to not press charges or ask too questions.

Plea agreement. . .

29 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:47:03am

This is clearly, blatantly, and obviously a racist, sexist, and Islamophobic right wing conservative, neo-con, slanderous, old politics as usual, gratuitous hit piece! I'm ashamed for even reading it, and you should be too, and you know who you are!

30 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:47:31am

re: #18 kansas

Good idea. I would too. I heard congress just passed themselves a 15 G per month pension after one term. If that's true, no wonder people want to serve. I want to serve.


Do you have a link to that? To the best of my knowledge, Congress is under the same Civil Service retirement plan that I am in if they started after 1984.

31 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:47:39am

re: #14 Kaitian868

I wonder what McCain's plane looks like. Does he even have one?

32 livefreeor die  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:47:44am

re: #19 ploome hineni

...meanwhile, exercising their freedom of speech

Allah board!

...fun is just starting

Running those ads during September in NYC? Don't think they're going to get the response they're hoping for.

33 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:47:56am

She was only Chairman of the Board of Directors. What could she possible know about the business?

/

34 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:48:24am

re: #32 livefreeor die

I've invited folks to post their best snark responses to the supposed questions and answers included in this ad campaign.

35 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:48:45am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I wonder what McCain's plane looks like. Does he even have one?

He flies a charter plane at the moment. I don't think he's got one yet.

36 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:48:48am

I can;t for the life of me see why banks should be held accountable for extending mortguages to people who may not be able to carry them.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility, not to mention common sense?

Is every failure on the part of the individual some corporate entity's fault, to be remedied by punishing the corporate big guy, and increasing regulation?

Perhaps this is all part of the same process of making everyone's lack of personal judgment or proclivity to crime a 'disease', absolving them of moral responsibility.

In the most extreme case, this takes the form of 'treated' sex offenders being released back into the real world, now that they are 'cured'.

Jeez, I sound like someone's grandfather, and I am at least 20 years away from being a grandfather.

37 songbird  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:49:13am

Penny Pritzker? Sounds like the name for a televangelist!

/remembering Creflo Dollar ....gaaaa!

38 livefreeor die  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:49:16am

re: #18 kansas

Good idea. I would too. I heard congress just passed themselves a 15 G per month pension after one term. If that's true, no wonder people want to serve. I want to serve.

Wow, they're really intent on setting a record for low approval ratings that can never be broken.

39 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:49:22am

re: #25 kansas

Garth Obama will sing:
I've got friends in high places
Where they money rings and the press chases
My troubles away.

Cmon Everybody Sing
Second Verse anyone?

I'm not big on standing my ground
If I hear any smack I'll back down
Cause I've got friends in low places. . .

40 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:49:41am

re: #14 Kaitian868

OT but on Obama: I found an interesting picture on Yahoo here
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

You'd think his campaign would at least use a Boeing jet rather than an A320? Of all the protectionist crap he's been crying about, he's ironically fine with using Airbus for their jets.

Airbus is a proper socialist airliner. Boeing is a capitalist airplane.

41 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:49:53am

re: #29 M. Bensson-Levi
AM NOT!

42 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:49:57am

re: #29 M. Bensson-Levi

This is clearly, blatantly, and obviously a racist, sexist, and Islamophobic right wing conservative, neo-con, slanderous, old politics as usual, gratuitous hit piece! I'm ashamed for even reading it, and you should be too, and you know who you are!


Present!

43 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:50:03am

re: #35 Kaitian868

He flies a charter plane at the moment. I don't think he's got one yet.

As long as it's not an honest Republican cloth plane.

44 Alone in NY  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:50:09am

Barry O is a fraud!

45 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:50:12am

re: #40 The Other Les

Airbus is a proper socialist airliner. Boeing is a capitalist airplane.

Touche good sir!

46 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:50:28am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I wonder what McCain's plane looks like. Does he even have one?

Yeah. Obambi claims it's a Sopwith Camel.

47 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:51:02am

re: #43 OldLineTexan

As long as it's not an honest Republican cloth plane.

Actually doing some research, he uses the plane that's owned by his wife's company. NYT's calling it illegal of course but it's the NYT, I don't think I'll care on this aspect.

48 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:51:09am
49 MrMarble  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:52:01am

"In a prepared statement, the Obama campaign noted that Ms. Pritzker was never accused of wrongdoing by regulators in connection with Superior, and that her family agreed to pay $460 million to help defray the costs of Superior’s collapse" Then Sen. Obama stated that he would like to thank all the generous people who have donated with their hearts to witness change from the ever increasing change of the non-change of the current administration that is indeed time for change.

50 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:52:09am

re: #35 Kaitian868

I think he does have one, here. He also has a spiffy bus.

51 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:52:37am

re: #46 M. Bensson-Levi



Yeah. Obambi claims it's a Sopwith Camel.

A McDonnell-Douglas A4D Skyhawk if I recall correctly.

52 livefreeor die  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:52:58am

re: #34 lawhawk

I've invited folks to post their best snark responses to the supposed questions and answers included in this ad campaign.

Okay, just let me get my blood pressure down so it can handle the leap when I look at that crap.

53 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:53:25am

re: #46 M. Bensson-Levi


Yeah. Obambi claims it's a Sopwith Camel.

Not a bad choice, but I would switch to a SPAD XIII or an SE-5a. The Camel has a tendency to torque starboard fairly viciously due to the rotary engine. Also a bitch to land.

54 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:53:46am

re: #30 JohnnyReb

Do you have a link to that? To the best of my knowledge, Congress is under the same Civil Service retirement plan that I am in if they started after 1984.

Looks like I fell prey to an internet hoax. I got an email, sorry, but in looking I didn't see that congress was under the same Civil Service plan as others, but I need more time to look it up. I have to work right now.
This from CNN Money:

So a congressman with 22 years of service and whose average salary for the top three years was $153,900 gets $84,645. A current congressman ending up with six years of service (it's two-year terms, after all) would get at least $16,503 (at age 62, of course).

In actuality, the average congressional pension payment ranges between $41,000 and $55,000, based on 2002 data from the Congressional Research Service.

Now, a retiring congressman isn't allowed to get more than 80 percent of their salary upon retirement. But after retiring, cost of living adjustments kick in, which can add substantially to the payment.

Add it all together and the Congressional pension program is about two-to-three times more generous than the average corporate executive pension plan, according to the National Taxpayers Union.

Sorry for the mis info.

55 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:53:49am
56 livefreeor die  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:54:03am

re: #49 MrMarble

"In a prepared statement, the Obama campaign noted that Ms. Pritzker was never accused of wrongdoing by regulators in connection with Superior, and that her family agreed to pay $460 million to help defray the costs of Superior’s collapse" Then Sen. Obama stated that he would like to thank all the generous people who have donated with their hearts to witness change from the ever increasing change of the non-change of the current administration that is indeed time for change.

Heh! Speechwriting for Obama 101.

57 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:54:11am

re: #47 Kaitian868

Actually doing some research, he uses the plane that's owned by his wife's company. NYT's calling it illegal of course but it's the NYT, I don't think I'll care on this aspect.

Poor idea to use it if true, even if it's properly leased.

58 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:54:21am
59 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:55:00am
60 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:55:02am

How tone deaf is this guy?

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:55:51am
62 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:56:06am

re: #60 Who Watches the Watchmen?

How tone deaf is this guy?

That he can't hear the stampedes of unicorns headed his way.

63 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:56:13am

re: #36 Maine's Michael

Congress is responsible for demanding that banks loosen lending rules to enable more people to buy homes, regardless of their capacity to repay those loans.

The banks are responsible because they got bullied into this situation and didn't consider the fallout of the mortgagees inability to repay, figuring that repackaging the loans as securities would be more profitable than the loan repayments themselves.

The mortgagees are responsible because they bought more than they could ever have afforded and likely knew it.

This doesn't take into account predatory lenders or those mortgagees who scammed the banks. However, those are outliers and the majority of situations falls into one where the banks should never have extended the loans to those with an inability to repay.

And I, as a responsible taxpayer should not bail out either the banks or the homeowners for their fiscal irresponsibility. They should be allowed to fail - winnowing the lending markets of those bad actors, and the homeowners should have to live with the repercussions of their actions. Why should these homeowners end up with more favorable terms than anyone who bought homes during this time period and followed the rules?

64 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:56:18am
65 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:56:19am

re: #46 M. Bensson-Levi


Yeah. Obambi claims it's a Sopwith Camel.

The Sopwith Camel had a mixed reputation. It was underpowered but enjoyed great turning agility.

But when the Fokker D.VIII arrived the party was over...

66 Syrah  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:56:31am

Will Obama throw a fund raiser under the bus?

I think that the man may draw a line when it comes to money.

67 livefreeor die  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:57:06am

re: #55 ploome hineni

all the kids are going back to school

We need a rush order of clue bats.

68 Kaitian868  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:57:46am

re: #66 Syrah

Will Obama throw a fund raiser under the bus?

I think that the man may draw a line when it comes to money.

It's true! He threw campaign funding limits under the bus so he's going to feel a minor bump on this one.

69 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:58:18am

OT, is anyone else getting tired of T Bone Pickens bs commercials?

70 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 8:58:37am

"I can;t for the life of me see why banks should be held accountable for extending mortguages to people who may not be able to carry them.

Whatever happened to personal responsibility, not to mention common sense?"

Well, of course there is some sociology in my answer. Since the 60s, the research paradigm has been conflict theory- the perspective that sees society in terms of inequality- and EVERYTHING is filtered through that assumption- "it's inequality that lies at the root of social problems"

So, when people are denied loans, it is because they are being discriminated against

When they default on loans that were given using a formula that was supposed to address the inequality, then it was "unfair and unscrupulous" and that is as far as people like Nobama take it- and his case is REALLY vile. . .as he used the "sweetheart deal" to get his own house. . .with an interest rate that makes mine seem down right illegal!
Nobama=Nochange

71 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:00:01am

This and more is what should be dredged up by the mainstream media if they were not so enamoured by the glow of their messiah. The Chicago political scene is the dirtiest in the country, and the corruption rivials a third world country. In fact, there are third world countries that have cleaner and more transparent political systems than Chicago and Cook County.

72 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:00:19am

re: #64 ploome hineni

dawah, jihad and plowing his tilth

Raising virgins. . .on his virgin farm. . .Paradise Acres

73 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:00:47am

re: #63 lawhawk

And I, as a responsible taxpayer should not bail out either the banks or the homeowners for their fiscal irresponsibility. They should be allowed to fail - winnowing the lending markets of those bad actors, and the homeowners should have to live with the repercussions of their actions. Why should these homeowners end up with more favorable terms than anyone who bought homes during this time period and followed the rules?

Exactly right.

As long as the failures don't impact my portfolio, of course ;)

74 jemima  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:01:39am

#46

That Sopwith is a magnificent airplane but alas there are only about 7 originals left in the world.

75 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:01:41am

re: #62 Kaitian868

That he can't hear the stampedes of unicorns headed his way.


Hey, that is MARX'S 4TH EPOCH coming this way. . .

76 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:01:47am

re: #53 OldLineTexan

Not a bad choice, but I would switch to a SPAD XIII or an SE-5a. The Camel has a tendency to torque starboard fairly viciously due to the rotary engine. Also a bitch to land.

I live a stone's throw from the Old Rhinebeck Aerodrome. I make a point of going there every year or two, on a Sunday. Love it. You'd like it too.

77 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:01:55am

re: #71 Honorary Yooper
I always hear about how bad Chicago politics is, is it really that bad or a lot of hyperbole?

78 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:02:20am

"Ms. Pritzker was never accused of wrongdoing by regulators in connection with Superior, and that her family agreed to pay $460 million to help defray the costs of Superior’s collapse."
But of course, she had nothing at all to do with it's collapse, just decided to kick in nearly half a billion dollars for the heck of it.
My ass.

79 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:02:36am

re: #69 pingjockey

OT, is anyone else getting tired of T Bone Pickens bs commercials?

Industrial Wind power is a massive fraud. And a tax scheme, to boot.

Don't get me started.

80 jemima  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:03:34am

#76

Do you live near Old Rhinebeck? I've been there many times!

81 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:04:10am

re: #19 ploome hineni


"Anyone who looks at this ad objectively can see that it is not preaching anything," Azeem Khan, the group's assistant secretary general, told The Post. "There is a lot of Islamaphobia out there. We provide people with a chance to speak with an actual Muslim who is informed."


Islamaphobia? Gee, you think it might be because one of the spokespersons for this bunch is an imam who said this:

"In time, this so-called democracy will crumble, and there will be nothing, and the only thing that will remain will be Islam," Wahhaj said in one of his sermons.

Wahhaj, imam of Al-Taqwa mosque, is a former member of the Nation of Islam and was the first Muslim to give an invocation at the House of Representatives.

Wahhaj is also named a co-conspirator in the '93 World Trade Center bombing. He shouldn't even be allowed into the House of Representatives?

82 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:04:42am

re: #69 pingjockey

OT, is anyone else getting tired of T Bone Pickens bs commercials?

A lotta wind!

83 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:04:51am

re: #79 Maine's Michael
Hah. T. Boone got more or less out of the "oil bidness" more than 5 years ago and is the single biggest investor/owener, iirc, of alternative energy source projects in wind and solar power.
T. Boone don't do anything that isn't right for T. Boone.
PERIOD>

84 opnion  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:04:52am

The Prizker family is interesting. The do or at least used to own the Marmon Group which in turn owned one of the major credit reporting agencies.
Jay Pritzker, Penny's brother keeps running for office & losing.
Several years back the had a very public family feud. One of grand daughters went to court to force her parents & aunts & uncles to start cashing out the grandchildren. The rich are different.

85 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:06:10am

re: #82 M. Bensson-Levi
ROFL! But, as I indicated in my #83, at least T. Boone has a "sunny" dispostion!

86 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:06:33am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I don't know what he is flying today, but I believe it will be as ill-fated as his Navy A4 Skyhawk if he doesn't start pulling up and flying right.

On the other hand, if you follow the Abramowitz Electoral Barometer, it doesn't matter what John McCain does. According to the Abramowitz Electoral Barometer, the only factors which matter are the approval rating of the incumbent president, the economy's economic growth rate, and whether the president's party has controlled the White House for two terms. In other words, John McCain is irrelevant. His name might as well be John Republican. It doesn't matter what he is flying.

87 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:06:41am

Is the curb full? This one may be too big for under the bus. . .

88 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:07:09am

May the Obama campaign be as sound an investment as those that caused the bank to fail.

89 ciaospirit  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:07:19am
Billionaire Penny Pritzker

Of course, everyone knows that Obama gets most of his funding from "average" Americans, the little people. Cuz he says so.

90 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:07:52am

re: #85 realwest

ROFL! But, as I indicated in my #83, at least T. Boone has a "sunny" dispostion!

It has always been so.

How ya doin'?

91 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:08:04am

re: #88 Kosh's Shadow

My thoughts as well . .

92 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:08:04am

re: #31 Killgore Trout

I wonder what McCain's plane looks like. Does he even have one?

He as a bus, the "Straight Talk Express", with no one thrown under it.
Obama's plane is really a bus, it just looks like it is flying with all the people under it.

93 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:08:54am

re: #84 opnion Hey that's the truth. Partner of mine used to represent the Pritzkers in their (rare) NYC real estate ventures and we were on the phone with Jay Pritzker once and Jay said he'd just laid out XXX millions of dollars to the University of Chicago School of Medicine and that the University was gonna name a building after him for it.
Partner said "Jay, you could have saved all those millions by just changing your name to University of Chicago!"
True story, dat!

94 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:09:20am

OT, Rush comparing obambis trip to summer camp! Mwahahaha!

95 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:09:22am

re: #89 ciaospirit

Of course, everyone knows that Obama gets most of his funding from "average" Americans, the little people. Cuz he says so.

Which is why he decided to forgo the "broken" public funding. . .cause if it's broke, don't fix it. . .

96 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:09:27am

re: #77 pingjockey

I always hear about how bad Chicago politics is, is it really that bad or a lot of hyperbole?

It is that bad, and worse than most people outside of Illinois have heard.

If you want a idea of how bad it can be, read some of John Kass's columns at the Chicago Tribune. Also take a look at Mike Royko's book Boss about the rule of Richard J. Daley, the current mayor's father.

97 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:10:29am

re: #92 Kosh's Shadow

He as a bus, the "Straight Talk Express", with no one thrown under it.
Obama's plane is really a bus, it just looks like it is flying with all the people under it.

They WERE the Change he did not WANT?

98 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:11:35am

re: #96 Honorary Yooper
Thanks Yoop! I was 9 and remember watching Uncle Walter on the evening news and the riots at the DNC conv. Dan Rather getting roughed up. My dad was convinced the counrty was headed down the crapper.

99 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:11am

re: #86 Lawrence Schmerel Gee, I don't know. I understand that bit about controlling the white house for two terms, but we kicked Jimmy Carter out after one.
And don't forget that Congress has been controlled by Dems the years during which our economy has been stuttering.
Still and all, I do think the economy is the number one concern for most American Voters. Fortunately or not, Obama hasn't got a clue as to how to fix it; hell he doesn't even have any slogans about how to fix it!

100 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:13:57am

re: #98 pingjockey

Thanks Yoop! I was 9 and remember watching Uncle Walter on the evening news and the riots at the DNC conv. Dan Rather getting roughed up. My dad was convinced the counrty was headed down the crapper.

Oh, that's not the least of it about the 1968 convention. CBS also had some of these "riots" orchestrated for TV. Very early fauxtography.

101 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:45am

re: #90 M. Bensson-Levi
Well I hope to be doing better after my "consult" with the oral surgeon tomorrow afternoon - have had the toothache from hell for ten days now, mostly cause my dentist, enodontist and I can't seem to agree on which tooth is even causing the pain!
Fortunately for me, I've been to this Oral Surgeon before, he's both a DDS and an MD and I know he'll figure it out and help me out - he's a really good guy!
How's things by you my friend?

102 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:16am

re: #100 Honorary Yooper
Really?! Did not know that! Sounds about standard now, must've been cutting edge then.

103 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:07am

re: #95 DisturbedEma
Which is why, iirc, Obama is the FIRST POTUS candidate from either party who has not accepted public funding in like 24 years or some such.
Course, that was after he pledged to accept public funding if McCain did. So McCain did and Obama said "Ha ha, I was only fooling!".

104 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:37am

re: #102 pingjockey

Really?! Did not know that! Sounds about standard now, must've been cutting edge then.

Yes. Much of the stuff was genuine, but there was some set up specifically for CBS's cameras. Of course, Uncle Walter would never lie to you now, would he?

105 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:19:51am

re: #100 Honorary Yooper Huh, I watched those riots on TV and they didn't look terribly staged to me - they were scary as hell.

106 EE  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:16am

The Pritzker family, one of the wealthiest of Jewish families, could have decided to help the candidate, Sen. John McCain, who as president would do what he can to help Israel survive. But instead they bankroll the candidate who will seek to oversee the acquisition by Iran of nuclear weapons in order to carry out nuclear genocide against Israel, and who will seek to expel a half million Jews from their homes and communities in Judea, Samaria and the eastern part of Jerusalem that would concentrate the Jews more and provide a better target for Iran's nuclear attack.

I think that there needs to be a thorough investigation of the collapse of this bank of Penny Pritzker, Superior Bank, that dealt with sub-prime mortgages, and to determine if the running of this bank was as stupid and maybe criminally negligent as Penny's political bankrolling of a flip-flopping charlatan who pretends to be the Messsiah. At the very least, there needs to be a thorough investigation of the last weeks, months, and years of Superior Bank to learn how it went down the tubes, and stuck the FDIC -- and ultimately the taxpayers -- with an enormous bill. I think that there must not be any bailout of any kind for Superior Bank; the Pritzker family can afford to clean up the mess that they made. especially multi-billionaire Penny.

107 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:20am

re: #104 Honorary Yooper
Oh no. Back then he was the voice of reason. Thank God for technology. No more 3 channel monoply of the evening news, no more sanctimonious bs from the print media(which is going extinct).

108 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:55am

re: #105 realwest

Huh, I watched those riots on TV and they didn't look terribly staged to me - they were scary as hell.

There were a few staged for CBS though (where CBS wanted them - the other networks were more honest about the real, and very scary riots). I know someone who whose brother (an FBI agent) actually saw it go on.

109 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:03am

Going up. Can't keep up on 3 threads!

110 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:51am

re: #106 EE

Gee- the whole stereotype brigade on this one. . .

111 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:44am

re: #78 realwest

"Ms. Pritzker was never accused of wrongdoing by regulators in connection with Superior, and that her family agreed to pay $460 million to help defray the costs of Superior’s collapse."
But of course, she had nothing at all to do with it's collapse, just decided to kick in nearly half a billion dollars for the heck of it.
My ass.

They had 50% ownership.

112 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:42:53am

re: #101 realwest

Well I hope to be doing better after my "consult" with the oral surgeon tomorrow afternoon - have had the toothache from hell for ten days now, mostly cause my dentist, enodontist and I can't seem to agree on which tooth is even causing the pain!
Fortunately for me, I've been to this Oral Surgeon before, he's both a DDS and an MD and I know he'll figure it out and help me out - he's a really good guy!
How's things by you my friend?

Ouch! Much better'n you. Hope you get a handle on that. Toothaches are a major suck!

113 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:41:27am

re: #99 realwest

To clarify things, The Abramowitz Electoral Barometer is used to forecast the winner of the popular vote

In 1980, Jimmy Carter scored a -66 on the Abramowitz Electoral Barometer.

Although George W. Bush has been in office two terms, his score on the Abramowitz Electoral Barometer is very low at -60. One reason it is slightly better than Jimmy Carter's low score in 1980 is because the economy actually grew at a 1 per cent annual rate in the first quarter of 2008.

But George W. Bush's score is abysmal. The only historical score lower than his -60 was Jimmy Carter's -66. Although only in the White House for one term, Jimmy Carter's score was lower in 1980 because the economy was worse and his approval rating in 1980 might have been worse than George W. Bush's in 2008.

The fact that "Congress has been controlled by Dems the years during which our economy has been stuttering" is not even part of calculation of the Abramowitz Electoral Barometer. Apparently, it doesn't matter.

According to the Abramowitz Electoral Barometer, the only factors which matter are the approval rating of the incumbent president, the economy's economic growth rate, and whether the president's party has controlled the White House for two terms. The Abramowitz Electoral Barometer has has correctly forecast the winner of the popular vote in 14 out of 15 postwar presidential elections. The one it missed was in 1968 when Hubert Humphrey, who had a mere +2 score, lost the popular vote by less than 1 percentage point.

Could Obama win the popular vote and still lose the election? I think it is possible, but unlikely.

114 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 11:01:05am

re: #99 realwest

Bush’s approval rating is better than Jimmy Carter's in 1980. Carter’s approval rating was at 22 percent. Bush has 25.

But those number can change fast.

Carter's job approval rating was as low as 31% in October 1979. He actually benefited from "rally" effect when the Americans were taken as hostages by Iranians. By January 1980, his job approval was 58%. By late June, his approval rating was back down to 31%. And it kept going down.

McCain's best hope would be if Bush's job approval rating improved suddenly and significantly before November. It seems highly unlikely considering the duration of his low approval rating. Only unforeseeable events of momentous importance have the possibility of elevating Bush's job approval rating and putting John McCain in the White House.

115 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 11:07:12am

Most famous for founding Hyatt Hotels, the Pritzkers have an interesting lineage, beginning with Abe Pritzker, a tax lawyer rumored to have connections to Al Capone or his associates.

From [Link: www.sfgate.com...]

"Together with men such as entertainment mogul Lew Wasserman, tax lawyer Abe Pritzker and real estate speculator Paul Ziffren, Korshak represented the clean face of a dirty business, according to "Supermob," Gus Russo's new book. He was the bridge between Mafia hoodlums and the white-collar world.

Russo, an investigate reporter who has written about the Chicago Outfit in depth before, sets out here to tell the story of the mostly Jewish lawyers who were recruited by Italian mobsters and eventually came to surpass their original paymasters in money and power. He begins in Chicago's West Side, home to Russian Ashkenazic Jews who had fled the late 19th century pogroms and were determined to protect themselves from becoming victims again. "They were always aware that their wealth and position in society could be noticed and another pogrom would ensue. Thus they worked surreptitiously, choosing to focus on the substrata of a business or event." In an era when Jews were barred from the white-shoe firms, where they might otherwise have made lucrative careers, these often brilliant men became integral parts of the Mafia's attempts to extend their westward reach into legitimate enterprises, ranging from casinos to hotel chains to real estate to the Hollywood studios."

116 Quilly Mammoth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 11:48:03am

re: #78 realwest

"Ms. Pritzker was never accused of wrongdoing by regulators in connection with Superior, and that her family agreed to pay $460 million to help defray the costs of Superior’s collapse."
But of course, she had nothing at all to do with it's collapse, just decided to kick in nearly half a billion dollars for the heck of it.
My ass.

Superior failed because they had misstated the value of the assets they held against liability. For instance they might have listed a 1995 Ford F150 as being worth $15,000.00 when it was really worth $5,000.00. When this was discovered as occurring _massively_ and across the board at the bank it was shutdown with no notice.

The OTS and FDIC were looking at about 460 Million to cover every thing as reported by the GAO in February 2002. It was brought up before the Senate Housing, Banking and Urban Affairs Committee.

Shortly before the official report was given to the Senate Committee the Pritzkers agreed to pay $460M to avoid punishment. The Chairman of the Committee was Paul Sarbanes. Who had assumed sole chairmanship of the committee a months earlier in 2001.

I'd say Chris Dodd os just following along a familiar pattern.

117 EE  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 11:58:13am

re: #114 Lawrence Schmerel

Bush’s approval rating is better than Jimmy Carter's in 1980. Carter’s approval rating was at 22 percent. Bush has 25.

But those number can change fast.

Carter's job approval rating was as low as 31% in October 1979. He actually benefited from "rally" effect when the Americans were taken as hostages by Iranians. By January 1980, his job approval was 58%. By late June, his approval rating was back down to 31%. And it kept going down.

McCain's best hope would be if Bush's job approval rating improved suddenly and significantly before November. It seems highly unlikely considering the duration of his low approval rating. Only unforeseeable events of momentous importance have the possibility of elevating Bush's job approval rating and putting John McCain in the White House.

The media have a large effect on the approval ratings. They decide what they want to publish. They have control of the filter through which people sense an image of reality. I spoke to a person dear to me, about the coming election, mentioning that the situation in Iraq had changed for the better. The reply was that that couldn't be, because if that had happened, then the media would have reported it.

It is very frustrating that the truth is being hidden. And the media, who are in the tank for Obama, are playing a major role in hiding the truth.

118 big L  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 12:02:22pm

43--yeah a cloth plane---M'Cain flies a bi-plane!
/if it was good enough for Admiral M'Cain in WW I...

119 big L  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 12:05:18pm

117 EE-- that is correct. My friends say that all the refutations I make are not in t he paper so I must be reading it on some suspect internet site. Other wise why isn't it in the L>A.Times?

120 Lawrence Schmerel  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 12:35:47pm

re: #117 EE

Of course the way the media cover certain events, and which events they choose to highlight, affects a president's job approval rating.

But there can be unforeseeable events of momentous importance which Big Media cannot ignore or spin. Such events could raise Bush's job approval ratings.

So far, Big Media has been able to ignore and minimize the successes of the new strategies and tactics in Iraq. But they might lose their ability to do that if the conditions improved more dramatically.

Other things could happen, too. But the most likely scenario is that no such events occur and Bush's job approval rating makes a flat line.

121 EE  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 2:27:23pm

re: #110 DisturbedEma

Gee- the whole stereotype brigade on this one. . .

I received a solicitation of funds from Obama. On the donor card, the leading statement was:
"We are the ones we've been waiting for."

That to me confirms that this man either thinks that he is the Messiah, or thinks that his audience, including donors to Hillary that he now wants to contribute to him, are so stupid and gullible as to think he is the Messiah.

You may think that the phrase "charlatan who pretends to be the Messiah" is a stereotype, but as far as I can tell, it accurately describes this fraud who pretends to be what he is not.

As for calling him a flip-flopping charlatan who pretends to be the Messiah, I have noticed the numerous flip-flops that Obama carried out within the space of just a few weeks. Although typical politicians slide toward the center from their primary election positions to their general election positions, Obama notably delayed the transition until right after he clinched the nomination, and did a vast flip-flop thing at once. So it was obviously noticeable to all. But not only did he thoroughly and precipitously flip, he also denied that there was any change of his positions. That's why I consider that he is not only a flip-flopper, but also (considering his denials that he flipped) a flip-flopping charlatan.

You may consider these to be stereotypes, but flip-flopping charlatan who pretends to be the Messiah is about all we know of this mystery man who has burst on the national scene from his sleazy Chicago politics past.


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