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New York Times Rejects McCain Op-Ed

Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 9:09:00 am PDT

Another title for this one might be “Jawdropper of the Day.” At Drudge:

NYT REJECTS MCCAIN’S EDITORIAL; SHOULD ‘MIRROR’ OBAMA
Mon Jul 21 2008 12:00:25 ET

An editorial written by Republican presidential hopeful McCain has been rejected by the NEW YORK TIMES — less than a week after the paper published an essay written by Obama, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

The paper’s decision to refuse McCain’s direct rebuttal to Obama’s ‘My Plan for Iraq’ has ignited explosive charges of media bias in top Republican circles.

‘It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece,’ NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain’s staff. ‘I’m not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.’

In McCain’s submission to the TIMES, he writes of Obama: ‘I am dismayed that he never talks about winning the war—only of ending it... if we don’t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president.’

NYT’s Shipley advised McCain to try again: ‘I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft.’

[Shipley served in the Clinton Administration from 1995 until 1997 as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Presidential Speechwriter.]

UPDATE at 7/21/08 9:35:16 am:

Previous op-ed contributors to the New York Times have included Yasser Arafat and various spokesmen for Hamas: What Hamas Wants.

UPDATE at 7/21/08 10:05:34 am:

And for some extra-crunchy irony, here’s New York Times empty suit “readers’ representative” Clark Hoyt, defending publishing that Hamas op-ed: The Danger of the One-Sided Debate - New York Times.

(Hat tip: LawHawk.)

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1 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:10:31am

And what are their current circulation numbers? How long will they pretend there is no correlation?

2 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:10:43am

The NYT rejects truth.

3 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:11:19am

Don't they have a circulation of about sixteen? Wait, that's the mental age of their editorial staff.

4 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:11:21am

Get this info out to all of your email friends.

Rush is discussing this now.

5 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:05am

If there were any doubt about the NYT's bias, this should blow it away.

6 Limitbreak22  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:15am

Bias in the NYT?!?! Shocker! An obivious reason why newspapers are in steady decline all across the country. Pinkos run the bulk majority or them.

7 cardiacmont  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:17am

Apparently it didn't fit the imprint.

8 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:20am

Media bias from the Times? Is that possible?

9 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:32am
NYT’s Shipley advised McCain to try again: ‘I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft.’

"For instance, we'd be happy to run with something titled, say, 'Obama was right all along, and you should vote for him, not me'".

10 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:32am

The Obama piece should be considered a campaign contribution from the NYT to the Obama campaign. With a nice, big, fat fine to the NYT, because such contributions are illegal. In addition, they should give full-page ads to ALL the other national candidates as compensation.

11 kynna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:42am

Blatant. At least they're not pretending to be a news organization anymore. Gotta give them that.

12 ROPMA  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:50am

current media conduct

And the race is on.

13 THX-42  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:12:52am

No surprise. The NYT welcomes only those opinion pieces that they agree with. If McCain would just "change" his so it supported Obama's views, it would meet the NYT's high standards.

14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:13:09am

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE! And the NYT really expects anyone to take them seriously anymore?

15 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:13:13am

On the bright side, Drudge's circulation dwarfs that of the Times, so more people get to read McCain's editorial.

16 joncelli  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:13:21am

Let's give the NYT the benefit of a doubt. Let's say the opinion piece by McCain doesn't meet their editorial standards. Let's give them that excuse once. Let McCain's people rewrite the piece according to the NYT's critique. Then if they reject it again, the NYT has no more excuses, and we can go medieval on them.

17 Shr_Nfr  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:13:43am

I'd be pleased to look at another draft too. Draft Shipley and send him to Iraq for a couple of tours. I dare say his viewpoint might change.

18 jones  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:14:10am

I wonder if McCain knew, in his heart, how fast the MSM would turn on him.

A lesson for Conservatives.

19 Syrah  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:14:26am

Lizard corduroy O'johnson posted this in the links.

The belief that reporters are trying to help Barack Obama win the fall campaign has grown by five percentage points over the past month. The latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey found that 49% of voters believe most reporters will try to help Obama with their coverage, up from 44% a month ago.

Just 14% believe most reporters will try to help John McCain win, little changed from 13% a month ago. Just one voter in four (24%) believes that most reporters will try to offer unbiased coverage.

20 harrylook  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:14:34am

So, that's what they mean by All the News That's Fit to Print.

21 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:14:39am

The self-delusional antics of today's media are amazing. They continue to pursue a path that is killing their sales, and they refuse to acknowledge the problem, let alone take any corrective steps. They'd rather destroy themselves than give honesty a chance. It's the only industry that I know of that is so hell-bent on self-destruction, with the possible exception of Hollywood.

22 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:14:50am

How.

Very.

Sad.

23 opnion  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:14:58am

What a surprise. (.Forehead slap)
When the NYT shilled for McCain during the primaries, that should have been a heads up.
They saw him as someone that the Dems could beat & now will do everything to help that along.

24 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:00am

re: #2 6pat6

The NYT rejects truth.

The NYT did correctly report that the Titanic sank when virtually all other newspapers were reporting otherwise.

25 Crusader Rabbit  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:06am

Appalling but in no way surprising.

NYT = pravda

26 turn  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:16am

[Shipley served in the Clinton Administration from 1995 until 1997 as Special Assistant to the President and Senior Presidential Speechwriter.]

Shipley probably rejected the piece because it sounded TOO presidential.

27 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:22am

The NYT deserves no special treatment, only disdain. Plus, I think even bird and hamster cages have standards - the NYT is dirty before it ever hits the cage!

28 BBev  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:24am

re: #3 6pat6

Don't they have a circulation of about sixteen? Wait, that's the mental age of their editorial staff.

I think there circulation is down to family members and staff.

29 Charles  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:46am

I've never heard of a major newspaper rejecting an op-ed by a Presidential candidate. I believe this is unprecedented.

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:46am

We are so screwed.

31 cblesz  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:15:52am

re: #15 JammieWearingFool

On the bright side, Drudge's circulation dwarfs that of the Times, so more people get to read McCain's editorial.

I have given up on Drudge...he is just as blatant as the rest of the media..in the tank for Obama...it is quite disgusting.

32 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:03am

Where's cognito?

33 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:05am

re: #24 The Other Les

Of course that was a different world, 96 years ago.

34 toadbelly  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:16am

thank God the NY times is there to protect us from independent thought. What would we do without them telling us what to think?

35 ModerateWolverine  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:23am

I want to say unbelievable...but that's just not the right phrase.

This is absolutely disgusting.

36 vagabond trader  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:26am

So we are to understand that Obama sets the tone of editorial commentary and the presumed Republican candidate must follow? Unbelievable, esp given the NYTs sliming of McCain not so long ago.

37 iceman1960  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:38am

I'm shocked...NOT!

38 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:42am

How see-through and cheap. Like a hooker's Sunday dress.

39 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:16:51am

re: #16 joncelli

Let's give the NYT the benefit of a doubt. Let's say the opinion piece by McCain doesn't meet their editorial standards. Let's give them that excuse once. Let McCain's people rewrite the piece according to the NYT's critique. Then if they reject it again, the NYT has no more excuses, and we can go medieval on them.

The problem with this approach is the NYT will never, ever admit what caused the article to be rejected. Obviously, it's the position it takes, not the grammar or spelling.

40 Captain Hate  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:00am

NYT’s Shipley advised McCain to try again: ‘I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft.

Draft 2: Suck my nads, tool.

41 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:11am

re: #31 cblesz

I have given up on Drudge...he is just as blatant as the rest of the media..in the tank for Obama...it is quite disgusting.

I'm seeing this as well. Just his headlines alone say a lot.

42 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:16am

Anyone have a giant metal bar that we can jam the NYT presses with?

43 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:32am

They'll print editorials from terrorists but not Republicans.

44 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:40am

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE! And the NYT really expects anyone to take them seriously anymore?

:)

45 Ojoe  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:50am

re: #29 Charles

The regular media will continue to abuse their unmerited position of power until they lose it.

Then they will babble on the street at night to no one.

46 iceman1960  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:17:52am

‘It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors agreed with Senator Obama’s piece,’ NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained

47 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:14am

re: #31 cblesz

If Drudge is in the tank for Obama, why is he running McCain's editorial?

48 cblesz  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #41 newsjunkie_ky

I'm seeing this as well. Just his headlines alone say a lot.


Every day he has pictures of Obama all over the place and headlines as well...he is just as bad...

49 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:31am

Drudge is a place I rarely visit anymore - he is so obviously in Obama's pocket, pants, somewhere getting tingly with Chrissy Matthews.

50 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:34am

re: #24 The Other Les

The NYT did correctly report that the Titanic sank when virtually all other newspapers were reporting otherwise.

Makes them 1 for 10,000.
//ducks

51 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:53am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

They'll print editorials from terrorists but not Republicans.


Ummm, the NYT accepted term is "freedom fighter"

52 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:53am

I am Shocked, shocked to learn that there is bias at the NY Slimes.

53 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:18:55am

re: #29 Charles

Do we have a list of cretins who have had editorials published in the NYT?

54 Syrah  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:19:07am

re: #29 Charles

I've never heard of a major newspaper rejecting an op-ed by a Presidential candidate. I believe this is unprecedented.

Would you consider letting McCain post it here?

55 zmdavid  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:19:14am

re: #23 opnion

What a surprise. (.Forehead slap)
When the NYT shilled for McCain during the primaries, that should have been a heads up.
They saw him as someone that the Dems could beat & now will do everything to help that along.

It is interesting. They did endorse McCain, didn't they? So they are refusing a piece from a candidate they endorsed. (Not that it was a sham endorsement or anything)

56 opnion  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:19:28am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

They'll print editorials from terrorists but not Republicans.

And with good reason. They consider it criminal to be a Republican.
Terrorist? Please, they see them as freedom fighters.
Time for the 527's to fire up & take the fight to Obama.

57 cblesz  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:19:35am

re: #47 JammieWearingFool

If Drudge is in the tank for Obama, why is he running McCain's editorial?


Puhlease...Drudge is all over Obama...every day. So, he once and a while throws McCain a bone, but it is obvious who he is rooting for.

58 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:19:36am

re: #47 JammieWearingFool

If Drudge is in the tank for Obama, why is he running McCain's editorial?


Because OTHERWISE he would have to report what is (not) going on with the triumphant world tour. . . NOT

59 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:20:18am

re: #49 6pat6

Drudge is a place I rarely visit anymore - he is so obviously in Obama's pocket, pants, somewhere getting tingly with Chrissy Matthews.

Nads Be friends?

60 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:20:38am

re: #39 mossley

The problem with this approach is the NYT will never, ever admit what caused the article to be rejected. Obviously, it's the position it takes, not the grammar or spelling.

I think the cause for rejection is not so much the position the piece takes as it is the fact that the piece makes BO look like a fool.

Can't have any of THAT now can we...

61 VegasRick  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:20:49am

re: #32 newsjunkie_ky

Where's cognito?

Conspiring with justmyignorantview.

62 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:20:51am

I'm sorry - I minused when I meant to plus the article!

Could someone upding in compensation?

I apologize for my lack of coordination!

63 Pullus Iulius  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:20:59am

An embarrassment to trees everywhere.

64 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:04am

Didn't an Hamas 'official' have an Op-Ed published recently at the NYTimes?

65 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:09am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Do we have a list of cretins who have had editorials published in the NYT?

Good point. Hamas shill? Print it! Republican presidential candidate? Oops, sorry, we found a dangling participle, no can do.

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:13am
67 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:13am

re: #16 joncelli

Let's give the NYT the benefit of a doubt. Let's say the opinion piece by McCain doesn't meet their editorial standards. Let's give them that excuse once. Let McCain's people rewrite the piece according to the NYT's critique. Then if they reject it again, the NYT has no more excuses, and we can go medieval on them.

"jon" -

Doesn't matter if Sen. McCain wrote it on the back of a paper bag with a crayon. So long as there is nothing obviously inflammatory, run it and let the readers/voters decide.

-S-

68 jcbunga  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:34am

Janine Melnitz: You're very handy, I can tell. I bet you like to read a lot, too.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Print is dead.

Wisdom from the Ghost Busters

69 harrylook  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:37am

I'm surprised the NYT op-ed editor was even there to reject the McCain article. Isn't he following BHO on his trip like every other "journalist"?

70 Alouette  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:48am
NYT’s Shipley advised McCain to try again: ‘I’d be pleased, though, to look at another draft.’

That's the typical form-letter response editors send out in all their rejection letters.

71 bosforus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:48am

I seem to remember predicting that a McCain editorial wouldn't make it into the NYT. Not that it's a terribly difficult prediction.

72 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:52am

re: #58 DisturbedEma

Because OTHERWISE he would have to report what is (not) going on with the triumphant world tour. . . NOT

They needed room to publish glowing reports about Obama's Rainbow Tour.

73 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:21:53am

re: #46 iceman1960

‘It would be terrific is mandatory to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors agreed with Senator Obama’s piece,’ NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained


better

74 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:22:00am

re: #52 pingjockey

I am Shocked, shocked to learn that there is bias at the NY Slimes.

"I am shocked! Shocked! To find that propaganda is being printed here!"
"Your Newspeak dictionary, comrade."
"Oh, thank you."

75 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:22:10am

re: #49 6pat6

Drudge is a place I rarely visit anymore - he is so obviously in Obama's pocket, pants, somewhere getting tingly with Chrissy Matthews.

But he doesn't mind taking advertising dollars to put a banner ad for "Hype: The Obama Effect" across the top of his page.

76 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:22:20am

McCain should commission massive billboards across the country "The New York Times refuses to print John McCain." Keep the message clear and simple. Major problem is in getting the message out, billboards are owned by Viacom, that is CBS, also a left wing shop.

77 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:22:27am

re: #55 zmdavid

It is interesting. They did endorse McCain, didn't they? So they are refusing a piece from a candidate they endorsed. (Not that it was a sham endorsement or anything)

I was going to say the same thing. It says a lot about their editorial processes that they endorse a candidate from whom they refuse editorials. The endorsement was a sham.

Wonder what McCain feels about his buddies in the press now. He sucked up to them for the past 8 years, but he honestly expect them to treat him fairly if he got the nomination?

78 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:22:46am

This is really just fine. This sort of blatant unfair bias doesn't sit well with the American people. This going to blow up in their faces.

79 bosforus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:22:59am
Posted in: Overnight Open Thread
#560 bosforus 7/15/2008 7:49:22 am PDT

[Link: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]...]
Obama's Op Ed in the NYTrash. What are the chances of a McCain op ed showing up in the NYT?


OK, now I'm just bragging.

80 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:05am

After stupidity like this, these turds have the chutzpah to wonder why their revenues are tanking faster than David Caruso's career.

81 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:16am

"Mirrors?"
What the heck is that supposed to mean? "Only if it agrees with Our Chosen One?"

Is there any confirmation for this besides Drudge?

82 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:17am

re: #63 Pullus Iulius

An embarrassment hazard to trees everywhere.


Fixed it.

83 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:18am

re: #16 joncelli

Under no circumstances! McCain shouldn't "mirror" Obama - that's conceding the definition of terms and premises, and then McCain's lost.

84 Charles  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:22am

I've had a lot of email about a post at Atlas Shrugs on the Obama birth certificate story, and I don't want to post about it so I'll just comment here: it's silly.

I've already said my piece and there's nothing in that post that changes my mind. In fact, I'm not even going to bother looking at any further posts about this phony story. It's embarrassing. Please drop it.

85 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:47am

re: #80 victor_yugo

After stupidity like this, these turds have the chutzpah to wonder why their revenues are tanking faster than David Caruso's career.

Who's David Caruso?

86 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:23:50am

it's all Bush's fault

seriously


he should have had the FCC close down CBS after the fake guard docs story

ditto for ABC when Ted Koppel went to Vietnam on a Kerry story

both within 90 days of an election when such "reporting" is illegal

that Bush let CBS (at the very least) get away is the reason this will continue to happen, if not get worse

you'll see

87 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:02am

re: #57 cblesz

Puhlease...Drudge is all over Obama...every day. So, he once and a while throws McCain a bone, but it is obvious who he is rooting for.

That's your opinion.

88 NYC_Mike  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:25am

it's to the point where the media is not even trying to hide their bias anymore. They seem to feel it's their DUTY to help get Obama elected.
I fear that this is only the beginning - wait until we get into Sept.Oct!

89 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:32am

re: #68 jcbunga

Janine Melnitz: You're very handy, I can tell. I bet you like to read a lot, too.
Dr. Egon Spengler: Print is dead.

Wisdom from the Ghost Busters

Yeah, for people who collect spores, molds and fungus (fungui)?

90 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:37am

re: #60 CIA Reject

I think the cause for rejection is not so much the position the piece takes as it is the fact that the piece makes BO look like a fool.

Can't have any of THAT now can we...

Yeah, well, Obama does that all by himself all the time...

91 opnion  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:43am

re: #55 zmdavid

It is interesting. They did endorse McCain, didn't they? So they are refusing a piece from a candidate they endorsed. (Not that it was a sham endorsement or anything)

The duplicity shoud not be surprising. They acted like they just loved the aisle crossing "Maverick" Now they will not even publish a McCain rebuttal to an Obama editorial.
Tells you all you really need to know about their praise for McCain during the primaries'.

92 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:24:46am

re: #79 bosforus

OK, now I'm just bragging.

You scooped Drudge?!?

I am very impress.

93 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:25:42am

re: #80 victor_yugo

After stupidity like this, these turds have the chutzpah to wonder why their revenues are tanking faster than David Caruso's career.


Ohhhhhhh, that was GOOD!

94 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:26:15am

re: #70 Alouette

That's the typical form-letter response editors send out in all their rejection letters.


And in this case not acceptable. That is even more insulting.

Now I am pissed. If I was stupid enough to actually have a subscription ---- I would --- cancel it!
Take that NYT,

///opps no subscription so it is a fantasy rage

95 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:26:21am

re: #92 victor_yugo

You scooped Drudge?!?

I am very impress.

Drudge has gotten slow and lazy in the past few years. I find things posted to the LGF Spinoff Links before I see it on The Drudge Report, if at all.

96 nikis-knight  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:26:28am

re: #29 Charles

I've never heard of a major newspaper rejecting an op-ed by a Presidential candidate. I believe this is unprecedented.

Well, of course the Times editorial board is smarter than John McCain. He's a Republican, and was stupid enough to join the military, after all.

/

97 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:26:53am

re: #85 Nevergiveup

Who's David Caruso the New York Times?

Someday, our children and our children's children will say that.

98 BGOH  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:26:59am

The nation's "paper of record," indeed.

/

99 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:00am

re: #87 JammieWearingFool

That's your opinion .

SORRY, but you have to have that word approved. . .

100 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:03am

re: #80 victor_yugo

After stupidity like this, these turds have the chutzpah to wonder why their revenues are tanking faster than David Caruso's career.

Where's Ike to do his imitation of David Caruso's career?

101 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:04am

How's the NYT stock faring lately?

102 doppelganglander  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:23am

Rush is on this story right now.

/waves to Rush's research assistant

103 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:31am

re: #84 Charles

I've had a lot of email about a post at Atlas Shrugs on the Obama birth certificate story, and I don't want to post about it so I'll just comment here: it's silly.

I've already said my piece and there's nothing in that post that changes my mind. In fact, I'm not even going to bother looking at any further posts about this phony story. It's embarrassing. Please drop it.

I figured that issue was dead after AJ Strata demolished the conspiracies a couple weeks ago.

104 bosforus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:36am

re: #92 victor_yugo

re: #95 Honorary Yooper

Very true. Hard to compete with the vigilance of the lizard army.

105 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:38am

re: #24 The Other Les

The NYT did correctly report that the Titanic sank when virtually all other newspapers were reporting otherwise.

And if they could, they'd blame Bush for that, too.

106 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #76 lifeofthemind


too over the top

Never mud wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig likes it

107 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:50am

re: #95 Honorary Yooper

Drudge has gotten slow and lazy in the past few years. I find things posted to the LGF Spinoff Links before I see it on The Drudge Report, if at all.

Don't expect any major updates on Drudge Report in the overnight. LGF is staffed 24/7.

108 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:27:53am

B-HO is an ass, and he is appropriate representation of his Party of Jackasses. His ass-kissers at the NYT, and everywhere else in the MSM, are all just ridin' the ass to their final destination - Hell.

109 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:28:01am

Bring back the Fairness Doctrine /sarc

The NYT is the self proclaimed paper of record.

That record is self imposed one-sided. And with good reason. They don't like it when their favorite matinee idol gets skewered over his position on Iraq, and McCain's editorial gets to that point.

Of course, that this op-ed got rejected by the Times editorial staff may actually work in McCain's favor - gets the GOP fired up, likely gets it published elsewhere, and provides plenty more media coverage than if it made the paper without any fanfare or criticism by the Times' Shipley.

110 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:28:16am

re: #101 MandyManners

How's the NYT stock faring lately?

Dropping like a paralyzed falcon, I hear.

111 vestalmiss  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:28:30am

In away this could be a great gift. I think that it will show the American people just how bias the msm really is. People do not like to be told which candidate they need to vote for.

112 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:28:37am

Rush, quote my #86
I am correct, after all

this could have been prevented by a post-emptive strike on CBS

113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:28:50am

re: #89 DisturbedEma

Yeah, for people who collect spores, molds and fungus (fungui)?

Fungi

114 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:28:52am

re: #84 Charles
The rabbit died.

115 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:29:04am

re: #98 BGOH

The nation's "paper of record," indeed.

Record what? Asininity? Bias? Communist sympathies?

116 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:29:19am

re: #105 Cygnus

And if they could, they'd blame Bush for that, too.

There was a Republican (Taft) administration in office at the time.

117 DisturbedEma  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:29:32am

re: #77 mossley

I was going to say the same thing. It says a lot about their editorial processes that they endorse a candidate from whom they refuse editorials. The endorsement was a sham.

Wonder what McCain feels about his buddies in the press now. He sucked up to them for the past 8 years, but he honestly expect them to treat him fairly if he got the nomination?


Are you saying they waffled? Pass the freaking syrup. . .

118 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:29:37am

Hamas NYT editorial gets published....
What Hamas Wants

By AHMED YOUSEF

119 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:29:38am

re: #101 MandyManners

How's the NYT stock faring lately?

Let's see if this works.

120 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:22am

From Drudge,

Shipley, who is on vacation this week, explained his decision not to run the editorial.

'The Obama piece worked for me because it offered new information (it appeared before his speech); while Senator Obama discussed Senator McCain, he also went into detail about his own plans.'

Shipley continues: 'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq.'

The Times is demanding editorial control, with respect to content, over McCain's rebuttal of Obama's previously published opinion piece.

121 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:30am

re: #109 lawhawk

McCain should shop around for another paper to run his essay. It would be a beautiful middle finger right in the face of the NYT.

122 6pat6  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:41am

re: #111 vestalmiss

People do not like to be told which candidate they need to vote for.

On the contrary - you have a substantial percentage of the electorate who (I believe) are actually WAITING and WANTING to be told who to vote for! They are too "busy" with their lives to bother with those little "details", such as actually being knowledgeable on the facts!

123 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:48am

THe White House should let the NYT keep a press pass, making it clear that they are in the same category as the representative of the Lower Slobovian Feed and Drainage Courier. No government funds should be spent on subscribing to or supporting the NYT. Bush can do that right now by Executive Order.

124 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:51am

re: #118 Killgore Trout
I don't even have to read that. hamas want all Jews dead and Israel erased.

125 akak  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:55am

I guess McCain won't get that last minute endorsement from the slimes.

:

126 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:30:55am

re: #86 Adrenalyn

I can't imagine a United States where that is a legitimate action.

Now, if CBS and the NYT were denied credentials for the White House and the Pentagon and every other Executive Branch building and department...that would be just.

127 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:02am

re: #15 JammieWearingFool Hey Jammie! How are you doing my friend?

128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:13am

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Hamas NYT editorial gets published....
What Hamas Wants

By AHMED YOUSEF

Well, its just because they mirror Obama's position.

129 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:30am

Morning all!

McCain should revoke all NYT press passes for his campaign.
Lock 'em out.

130 vxbush  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:31am

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Hamas NYT editorial gets published....
What Hamas Wants

By AHMED YOUSEF

Brother. They're willing to post op-eds from known terrorist organizations, but they cannot accept an op-ed from a presidential candidate of their own country.

Wait, I should rephrase that. The US isn't their own counry; they just live here.

131 Ringo the Gringo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:32am

How can you expect the NY Times to find the space needed to print an article by the Republican Presidential nominee when there are so many opinion pieces by Paul Krugman still waiting to be published.

A newspaper must have priorities.

132 ModerateWolverine  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:35am

re: #47 JammieWearingFool

If Drudge is in the tank for Obama, why is he running McCain's editorial?

Hot Air, or at least allah pundit, had been pushing that hard for a while. But as soon as Hillary had dropped out he seemed to have been back on the weird/normal/right wingish drudge we know.

133 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:50am

@Charles,

#118 above is worthy of an update to the main posting.

134 Miss Trixie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:31:54am

Al the news that's sh*t to print.

135 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:32:08am

re: #127 realwest

Hey Jammie! How are you doing my friend?

Ditto JWF! Good to see you back up!

136 Morganfrost  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:32:26am
It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece,’ NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain’s staff. ‘I’m not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.’

Indeed, this editorial piece might possibly leave people with the impression that it would be acceptable to vote for McCain, or that there were flaws in Obama's positions on some of the issues facing this country. The New York Times simply cannot be a party to that.

137 BGOH  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:32:30am

re: #115 victor_yugo

Record what? Asininity? Bias? Communist sympathies?

You're on the right track. It is sad how far some of these media institutions have fallen. Is it any surprise that MSNBC and the NYT have a partnership now? They have both been ruined by left-wing partisans, and neither respects journalistic integrity any longer. It's sad.

138 w b h  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:32:36am

You know, this is another time I wish I still had a subscription to the Times so that I could cancel it.

I'm expecting Mr. Murdoch to start hiring the Times' best journalists for the WSJ.

139 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:33:13am

re: #84 Charles

I've had a lot of email about a post at Atlas Shrugs on the Obama birth certificate story, and I don't want to post about it so I'll just comment here: it's silly.

I've already said my piece and there's nothing in that post that changes my mind. In fact, I'm not even going to bother looking at any further posts about this phony story. It's embarrassing. Please drop it.

Sorry to go OT, but can someone explain to me how this ever became a story? His mother is an American citizen, so OB is American by birth. What difference does it make if he shows his birth certificate or not? People are going nuts over this story, and it's nothing. There are so many real issues with OB, why waste time on something that makes people look like idiots?

140 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:33:28am

re: #138 w b h
Which DDG is that?

141 GGMac  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #62 Dianna

I'm sorry - I minused when I meant to plus the article!

Could someone upding in compensation?

I apologize for my lack of coordination!

Done. :)

142 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:33:37am

When McCain wins I hope he requires the New York Times to submit an essay to him for approval before they are issued a press pass to attend White House briefings.

143 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:33:37am

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, its just because they mirror Obama's position.

* * *
Bingo! Our defeat is the NYT's objective, and why they publish Hamas editorials but not editorials FOR victory over terrorists.

144 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:33:59am

re: #123 lifeofthemind

THe White House should let the NYT keep a press pass, making it clear that they are in the same category as the representative of the Lower Slobovian Feed and Drainage Courier. No government funds should be spent on subscribing to or supporting the NYT. Bush can do that right now by Executive Order.

Please refrain from insulting the Lower Slobovian Feed and Drainage Courier.

145 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:34:38am

re: #106 LindaMarie

too over the top

Never mud wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty, but the pig likes it

Obama is the NYT's and Soros' sock puppet. Since he has no record to run against they think he can coast through on vapor. Hitting the people who are behind him, the Times and Soros, will draw them out and make this a campaign the public can rally behind.

146 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:34:38am

re: #139 mossley

His mother is an American citizen, so OB is American by birth.

Uh, nope. Check the Constitution.

147 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:34:49am

re: #129 jcm


No, it would not help. He needs to take the high road. They get passes but no one on one interviews etc.

148 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:34:55am

Today.


Six months.

Five years.

Ten years.

149 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:34:57am

re: #101 MandyManners

Hello Mandy! How are you doing?
You mentioned a couple of Seattle-area shopping malls Friday. Are you from around here?

150 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:06am

re: #138 w b h

You know, this is another time I wish I still had a subscription to the Times so that I could cancel it.


Why should that stop you from writing a letter requesting that they cancel your subscription?

151 Adrenalyn  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:19am

re: #126 Dianna

I can't imagine a United States where that is a legitimate action.

Now, if CBS and the NYT were denied credentials for the White House and the Pentagon and every other Executive Branch building and department...that would be just.

I can, under a complete democrat Washington
you put B. Hussein Obama in the White House
and let the left keep both Houses of Congress
and the "fairness doctrine" will be used ruthlessly
this is why this election, and every one since 2000
has been so important, let the left get absolute power
and they WILL NOT relinquish it


but, CBS and ABC did violate the law
and some punishment should have been meted out
regardless of whether someone thinks shutting them down is "American"
after all, there are plenty of other broadcast and cable channels to pick up where they left off
it would not be as if Bush just, swooosh - eliminated all media that did not agree with him

152 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:28am

re: #129 jcm

Morning all!

McCain should revoke all NYT press passes for his campaign.
Lock 'em out.

* * *
He owes them, because thanks to the NYT's endorsement, McCain beat Romney out for the GOP presidential nomination in the Northeast.

153 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:29am

re: #130 vxbush

Brother. They're willing to post op-eds from known terrorist organizations, but they cannot accept an op-ed from a presidential candidate of their own country.

Wait, I should rephrase that. The US isn't their own counry; they just live here.

They've been without a country since the Soviet Union went belly up in 1991.

154 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:40am

A question for NYT: Has BHO ever articulated, in concrete terms, how he defines victory in Iraq?

155 IgofAntioch  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:57am

The old "grey lady" had dementia!

156 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:58am

re: #137 BGOH

You're on the right track. It is sad how far some of these media institutions have fallen. Is it any surprise that MSNBC and the NYT have a partnership now? They have both been ruined by left-wing partisans, and neither respects journalistic integrity any longer. It's sad.

I have one name for you:

Walter Duranty.

157 NoSubmission  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:35:59am

I'm sure Dinnerjacket will have no problem getting a piece in the NYT.

158 akak  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:36:04am

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Hamas NYT editorial gets published....
What Hamas Wants

By AHMED YOUSEF


BHO's legacy will be making Hezbashitah & Hamas everyday non - terrorist groups I bet.


/and then throw them under the bus when something really bad (ie. 9-11 or 7-7) happens.

159 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:36:09am

re: #121 victor_yugo

McCain should shop around for another paper to run his essay. It would be a beautiful middle finger right in the face of the NYT.

Fortunately, there are other papers that do publish his op-eds.

160 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:36:11am

re: #129 jcm

Morning all!

McCain should revoke all NYT press passes for his campaign.
Lock 'em out.

Do so when they're in Bumfucked, Idaho, too.

161 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:36:46am

re: #147 LindaMarie

No, it would not help. He needs to take the high road. They get passes but no one on one interviews etc.

LOL! Probably true, I'd just like to see 'em escorted out, the the huge headlines whining about it.

162 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:36:55am

re: #141 GGMac

Thank you!

163 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:37:15am

Even better; The Iraqi Insurgency.....

Op-Ed: Know Thine Enemy

In a video Op-Ed by documentary filmmakers Molly Bingham and Steve Connors, Iraqis explain the roots of the insurgency.

164 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:37:23am

The NY Times is a joke.

165 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:06am

re: #146 victor_yugo

His point that this issue makes people pushing it look silly is dead on, though.

166 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:10am

re: #160 MandyManners

Hey I thought were all Mandy now. Do I have to go back to being me again?

167 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #47 JammieWearingFool

If Drudge is in the tank for Obama, why is he running McCain's editorial?

My opinion: follow the money. He knows there is a big moonbat audience for OB, so he posts stuff about him. It drives more views to his site, he can charge more for ads, he gets more money.

168 BBev  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:21am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Do we have a list of cretins who have had editorials published in the NYT?

I'm signed into them and have done a search for a list of Op-Ed contributers but I can not find list.

169 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:31am

Who needs State Run Media? We have the NY Times.

170 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:51am

This is such a blatant case of bias, yet the cult of Obama cannot see it.

I don't want a cult running the country.

171 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:38:53am

re: #156 victor_yugo

As an add-on, I should point out that I'm Eastern Orthodox, and Duranty's role in aiding and abetting Stalin's Holodomor will be something he answers for on Judgment Day.

172 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:39:25am

re: #166 lifeofthemind

Hey I thought were all Mandy now. Do I have to go back to being me again?

I've always been me. I just support Mandy.

173 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:39:46am

Morgan Tsvangirai couldn't get his editorials published in Zimbabwe either because Mugabe's thugs run the marxist media.

Hmmmm, insurgent presidential candidates Morgan Tsvangirai and John McCain ought to compare notes.

174 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:39:48am

I recommend The New York Sun.

175 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:39:59am

re: #160 MandyManners

Do so when they're in Bumfucked, Idaho, too.

Way over the line MM! No such place in ID, I was born there.....
//
Maybe the town I was born in would do, a real 1 horse town even today.
The kind of town where The Kid could take off on his bike and be gone all morning, and you wouldn't worry in the least. Maybe not, the town folks couldn't find it in them to be impolite.

176 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:40:14am

re: #150 ec marm

Why should that stop you from writing a letter requesting that they cancel your subscription?

Now that is worth doing!
They have to have someone open it and read it and check the records.
Then figure out after about the first 40 letters that they are being taken and wasting their time.
I would hate to have a real subscription about then and try to cancel it.

177 Honorary Yooper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:40:22am

re: #170 karmic_inquisitor

This is such a blatant case of bias, yet the cult of Obama cannot see it.

I don't want a cult running the country.

No, they can see it perfectly well and like that it is to their advantage.

178 lhc996rider  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:40:34am

Will everyone that is shocked, please raise your hand....

179 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:12am

re: #156 victor_yugo

Victor, Duranty was being blackmailed, with his lover's safety under threat.

I don't approve and I'm not excusing Duranty's behavior, but he didn't conceal the famine for political reasons.

180 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:15am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Do we have a list of cretins who have had editorials published in the NYT?

You would need a bigger computer.

181 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #176 LindaMarie
Devious, isn't it? :~)

182 abolitionist  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:16am

re: #168 BBev

Hint: search for a list of Op-Ed contributors

183 CAD Daddy  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:37am

Unbelievable. Off-the-scale arrogance.

184 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:41:59am

re: #178 lhc996rider

Will everyone that is shocked, please raise your hand....

[crickets]

185 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:42:16am

re: #173 alegrias

Don'tcha know, they've got a deal in the works in Zimbabwe. NYT claims it's a big deal - but in reality, it's a deal to talk further about talks on power sharing.

186 The Other Les  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:42:32am

re: #176 LindaMarie

Now that is worth doing!
They have to have someone open it and read it and check the records.
Then figure out after about the first 40 letters that they are being taken and wasting their time.
I would hate to have a real subscription about then and try to cancel it.

I have to disagree. That only messes with entry level and temp clerical staff.

187 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:43:04am

re: #176 LindaMarie

Now that is worth doing!
They have to have someone open it and read it and check the records.
Then figure out after about the first 40 letters that they are being taken and wasting their time.
I would hate to have a real subscription about then and try to cancel it.

* * *
Hi Linda, did you get a chance to play basketball with Obama in Afghanistant? Or swoon for the Leni Riefenstahls' camera crews accompanying him?

188 w b h  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:43:20am

re: #140 pingjockey

Which DDG is that?

USS Barney, DDG-6. (Now probably razor blades though the Barney Association [Link: www.uss-barney-ddg6.org...] tried to save her. There's one of the class left in the United States, the USS Adams, DDG-2, and the Adams Class Vets Association [Link: www.adamsclassddgvets.org...] is working to establish her as a museum ship in Jacksonville.)

I served on board Barney from January 1970 to September 1974, the last two years as FTM1, taking care of the AN/SPS-39 radar set, the 3-D air search radar for the surface to air missile system. Crossed the Atlantic ten times. And we did some of the preliminary testing of shooting down submarine-launched missiles with our Standard missiles back in the early 1970s.

Thanks for asking, pingjockey.

189 BBev  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:43:23am

re: #182 abolitionist

Hint: search for a list of Op-Ed contributors

I did and several variations of it.

190 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:43:26am

the nyt so arrogant. it is laughable, that they want mccain to write an op ed that makes b.o. look good.
i bet mccain is somewhere thinking abt. that.
i hope he's cussing.

191 docremulac  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:43:59am

The liberal world's two power bases are the liberal universities and the liberal media. Remove their strangle hold on the education and communication industries and they'll collapse.

The New York Times tossing it's credibility out the window like this is going to go a long way towards helping the decent of one of the most famous pillars of the liberal's media base so I'm pretty excited about it. This is really going to speed up the sinking of the New York Times.

192 Ziggy  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:44:06am

What media bias? This makes perfect sense to the fascist left.

193 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:44:12am

re: #127 realwest

Hey Jammie! How are you doing my friend?

I'm fine, thanks.

Thanks for the flowers last week. Much appreciated.

On vacation now; just waiting for the storm clouds to blow over then I'm heading to the beach.

194 jorline  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:44:19am

When it comes to editorial significance and substance the NYT's is a pair of 32A BOOBS in a 38DD bra.

Boob thread?

195 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:44:25am

Huh, is it me or is it just a strange time for David Shipley to go on vacation?
I reckon he figures that since his obvious choice for POTUS is in Europe, and the NYTimes can't afford to pay for him to go along, he might as well go on vacation.
This situation isn't absurd, it isn't foolhardy, it isn't even unseemly - this borders on the totally fascistic way to run the "Paper of Record".

Oh and to all of you who are suggesting that another NYC paper run McCain's response to Obama's NYT piece, just please remember two things: a) NYC is going for Obama, regardless of anything he says or does or doesn't say or do and
b) The New York Daily News, The New York Post and the New York Sun have probably less than
100,000 readers in all of America outside of NYC.

Now if the Wasnington Post were to run McCain's article that might have some nationwide effect.
Might.

196 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:45:12am
197 reggie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:45:20am

I just read McCain's editorial and must concur with the objections to its publication. The piece includes entirely too many facts to be appropriate for the NYT.

198 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:45:42am

re: #193 JammieWearingFool No sweat - the flowers were the very least I could do. I'm glad to see you back and hope you enjoy your time off.

199 Ziggy  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:45:47am

re: #194 jorline

When it comes to editorial significance and substance the NYT's is a pair of 32A BOOBS in a 38DD bra.

Boob thread?

What did one boob say to the other? If we don't get some support soon, people will think we're nuts

200 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:46:01am

re: #185 lawhawk

Don'tcha know, they've got a deal in the works in Zimbabwe. NYT claims it's a big deal - but in reality, it's a deal to talk further about talks on power sharing.

* * *
Saw that, thank you.

As you know, Mr. Tsvangirai won the election against Mugabe. Then in order reverse election results they didn't like, Mugabe's thugs wouldn't publish or run ads or editorials that weren't for Mugabe, during the second run- off"campaign".

201 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:46:06am

re: #185 lawhawk

Don'tcha know, they've got a deal in the works in Zimbabwe. NYT claims it's a big deal - but in reality, it's a deal to talk further about talks on power sharing.

The gift of prophecy. I predict a conference, at a 5 star hotel, with massive press coverage, and 12 course meals, full employment for prostitutes, further study needed, parties "seized by the seriousness of the situation" and "fully determined to stay closely follow developments."

202 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:46:13am

re: #193 JammieWearingFool

On vacation now; just waiting for the storm clouds to blow over then I'm heading to the beach.

That's it, rub it....
*sitting in a cube*
;-) Have a great day.

203 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:46:59am
NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley continues: 'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq.'

So, did Obama's NYT Op-ed "define victory in Iraq"? No. Not a word, either concrete or vague to define "victory, only that the US should withdraw as soon as possible, and that this withdrawal would somehow, inexplicably force the Iraqis to solve their own problems.

Meanwhile, McCain defined both failure & victory in his rejected op-ed:

I am also dismayed that he never talks about winning the war—only of ending it. But if we don’t win the war, our enemies will. A triumph for the terrorists would be a disaster for us. That is something I will not allow to happen as president. Instead I will continue implementing a proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining democratic allies. -John McCain

...thus proving that Shipley is a hypocrite.

204 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:47:48am

re: #177 Honorary Yooper

No, they can see it perfectly well and like that it is to their advantage.

I would like to agree with you but I have a friend who has fallen under the spell. He is an otherwise intelligent trial lawyer who can be even handed in assessing political matters even though he is a liberal.

he absolutely denies outright that there is a media bias in favor of Obama. He simply repeats the "historic candidacy" mantra that has been taught to all inductees of the cult. I asked him if McCain is historic given that he is the first POW/torture victim to run, whereas Obama's "historic" dimensions revolve around his skin color. At that point he just got angry and muttered something about me being a racist.

205 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:00am

NYT reports earning 7/23.
Dividend date 8/28.
P/E trailing 12 months over 20 (waaay too high for me... but it's giving sweet, predictable little bounces all the way down...)

/capitalists making money off of socialists...

206 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:13am

re: #198 realwest

No sweat - the flowers were the very least I could do. I'm glad to see you back and hope you enjoy your time off.

So far, so good. Came up here early Friday and am finally getting some decent sleep.

Incredibly sticky and humid on Cape Cod, so the beach is the place to be. Except for midday Sunday when it was a virtual sandstorm.

207 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:18am

re: #179 Dianna Who was blackmailing him? And why was his lover's life in danger?
Seriously, this is the first I've ever heard of this.

208 FinallyHere  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:26am

Great for McCain! Who reads NYT anyway, but now more people would read this op-ed, than if it were published by NYT.

If you needed another proof that "progressives" are idiots, you have it. Another one after that great cartoon in The New-Yorker.

209 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:36am

re: #32 newsjunkie_ky

Where's cognito?

Rat cheer.

210 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:38am

re: #195 realwest

a) NYC is going for Obama, regardless of anything he says or does or doesn't say or do


Is it just me or does the election seem to be boiling down to 'city folk' against everyone else?
Here in Pennsylvania it will be Philadelphia and Pittsburgh for Obama, the rest of the state for McCain. Though I think Obama's 'bitter' comment is going to fire up the McCain crowd and the state should go for him.

211 Dad O' Blondes  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:48:59am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

They'll print editorials from terrorists but not Republicans.

That's exactly right.

The NYT is unpatriotic and frequently acts, institutionally, in a manner that is opposed to American values.

.

212 crash72  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:49:11am

re: #31 cblesz

I have given up on Drudge...he is just as blatant as the rest of the media..in the tank for Obama...it is quite disgusting.

Agree. Haven't been to Drudge's rag in months. He's in Obama limo.

213 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:49:15am

re: #187 alegrias


No, but one of our friends at the Embassy shook his hand.
If he was not such a good friend, genuinely good person and I did not like him so much I would ask him to wash his hand before he ever takes mine again and gives me a kiss on the cheek.

214 formercorpsman  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:49:29am

re: #43 Killgore Trout

Killgore, that pretty much sums our state of affairs relating to politics in the here and now.

So far off the beaten path we have gone, where engaging the political opponent is seen as more of a disgrace to half of the base, than actually carrying the water for people who rape, murder, and maim.

It has surpassed what should have been non-negotiable.

The Constitution.

We have gone from a society who actually was aware of world events, (Berlin Wall, Missile Crisis, etc) to a country that is knee jerk Pavlovian from commercial sound bites.

It is distressing, despite what differences anyone may have politically, to see them descend into black hole of rabid absurdity.

You nailed it.

215 SummerSong  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:49:35am

re: #128 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, its just because they mirror Obama's position.

Funny, I read that name to be-

BY - ASHAMED YOUSELF

216 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:49:55am

re: #188 w b h

Nice. The Adams class looked like fun, an old fashioned warship, with guns and missiles. Spent time driving the USS England, no guns!

217 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:50:04am

re: #188 w b hRet. STG here. The USS Edson DD946 was still in commision when I was in Newport RI. They were a lot better looking back then. The cruiser and DD i was on had all the aesthetic value of a floating brick. Say what you will, the Sovs did build good looking, if not too functional ships.

218 Aylios  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:50:06am

I'd say "f-ing unbelievable", if it wasn't the NYT. But what else does one expect from the leftist propaganda rag. Either the Republican candidate says what they want him to say or he gets silenced. An omen of things to come if Obama is elected.

219 SummerSong  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:50:30am

Ugh - I quoted the wrong part.........

PIMF

220 Captain Hate  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:50:56am

re: #178 lhc996rider

Will everyone that is shocked, please raise your hand....

I am because I think this crosses a line in the sand that they didn't want to in order to continue the sham of their "objectivity". It's hard to tell what will come out of this, because obviously this fishwrap is poorly run by Pinch Shitburg and his quislings, but at the very minimum Shipley should get canned. I'll be anxious to see how the WaPo et. al. respond to this because if they have any desire to be seen as objective (and the WaPo has criticized the Dali-bama recently) they have to come down hard on this.

Remember, these are the same people that want a national shield law.

221 lurking faith  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:51:59am

re: #31 cblesz

I have given up on Drudge...he is just as blatant as the rest of the media..in the tank for Obama...it is quite disgusting.


At least he was honest enough to report this, though.

222 pat  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:52:07am

So he approved of the content of the Muslim terrorist he has let editorialize twice before? And what are those details in the Obama piece. I missed them. All I read was:Withdraw a few immediately, more later. Send to Afghanistan in 3,000 words. With the Joint Chiefs giving the orders. Insanity.

223 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:52:46am

re: #209 Cognito
Took you long enough.

224 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:52:50am

re: #86 Adrenalyn I don't know if you're correct about that illegality bit, but I am seriously suggesting that you find supporting legal precedent or law and forward it and your comment to McCain's Campaign HQ.
Seriously.

225 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:53:12am

I almost picked up a copy of the paper on Sunday--it's been ages since I've done the puzzles in the magazine. But, I restrained myself.

226 Aylios  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:53:26am

re: #24 The Other Les

The NYT did correctly report that the Titanic sank when virtually all other newspapers were reporting otherwise.


How 'Times' change.

227 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:53:28am

re: #209 Cognito
Hey Cog - what do you think about this story?

228 Opinionated  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:53:36am

"Major league assholes"

"Yeah, big time,"

229 mingjaiyo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:53:49am

I just heard this on Fox,with Mike Gallagher talkng about it. I am beyond infuriated. I haven't read any of the thread yet,so probably everything I could possibly say negatively concerning the NYT's has already been said. Regardless,if I owned a large bird,I would from this point forward refuse to even use the NYT's for shitpan liner. I fervently wish and hope for the defeat of Obamessiah in Novemeber followed by a shareholder revolt at the Times leading to it's being placed in receivership and sold off in portions. At this moment in time even winning the Powerball would not compare in sweetness to the NYT's utter demise.

230 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:53:50am

re: #207 realwest

Stalin's NKVD.

Duranty was gay. He was set up - a young man was trailed before him, and Duranty fell for it. The NKVD then showed him the pictures, and threatened (first) to reveal that Duranty was gay and (second) to arrest the young man for "deviancy".

Duranty could have stood the revelation of his being gay; but he was frightened for his young man. He shouldn't have been; the man was an agent.

231 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #225 MandyManners
We get the NYT Sunday crossword in our local papers tv guide.

232 Sir Napsalot  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:07am

Hey, that is no way to treat a potential POTUS. [It could happen, you know.]

Just think, with this one instance, how many other editorial piece need 'another draft' until the opinion is deemed acceptable.

233 pat  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:11am

We are seeing the application of The Fairness Doctrine.

234 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:22am

re: #227 realwest

Hey Cog - what do you think about this story?

I think it's an absurd mistake by the Times.

235 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:58am

re: #193 JammieWearingFool

I'm glad to hear you're doing all right.

I sent a mass card; did it arrive?

236 cardiacmont  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:58am

I don't want to force the Slimes to print anything, they can print anything it wants.

But when the libtards want to enforce some kind of fairness doctrine for radio broadcasts, I'll be remembering this.

237 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:54:59am

re: #223 newsjunkie_ky

Took you long enough.

Sorry, I didn't realize there was an obligation.

238 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:55:04am

re: #225 MandyManners

I almost picked up a copy of the paper on Sunday--it's been ages since I've done the puzzles in the magazine. But, I restrained myself.


Here, save yourself some money.
/ There's probably 10,000 more links through Giggle...

240 lurking faith  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:55:41am

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Do we have a list of cretins who have had editorials published in the NYT?


The bandwidth required might kill our faithful hamsters.

241 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:55:44am

re: #213 LindaMarie

No, but one of our friends at the Embassy shook his hand.
If he was not such a good friend, genuinely good person and I did not like him so much I would ask him to wash his hand before he ever takes mine again and gives me a kiss on the cheek.

* * *
Speaking about hand shaking, Rep. Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania, former Navy admiral, democrat & the highest ranking veteran in Congress, today said it was important to be able to touch your president.

(this morning on Fox & Friends, on Fox Cable)

242 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:05am

re: #237 Cognito

There is.

243 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:19am

I'm shocked, shocked that the N.Y. Times is being "unfair" to John McCain. Come on, guys! They endorsed him in the GOP primary figuring he'd be the easiest GOP candidate to beat in the general election. They may yet be proven right.

The N.Y. Times owes McCain nothing. After the bogus "sex scandal" they contrived about him, what does McCain expect? Fairness?

If McCain and his staff still haven't figured this out, their odds of winning this election are dropping rapidly.

244 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:24am

Blatent discrimination against Republicans by NYT. This appalling behavior comes from exactly those that want to impose the "Fairness" Doctrine on conservative outlets. There is certainly a bias, unmasked and naked. It's disgusting.

245 cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #184 victor_yugo

[crickets]

GMTA!

246 Wendya  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:34am

re: #16 joncelli

Let's give the NYT the benefit of a doubt. Let's say the opinion piece by McCain doesn't meet their editorial standards. Let's give them that excuse once. Let McCain's people rewrite the piece according to the NYT's critique. Then if they reject it again, the NYT has no more excuses, and we can go medieval on them.

There is no benefit of the doubt here. This says it all:

‘It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece,’ NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain’s staff. ‘I’m not going to be able to accept this piece as currently written.’

247 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:36am

re: #242 newsjunkie_ky

There is.

Which is?

248 BBev  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:56:48am

re: #206 JammieWearingFool

So far, so good. Came up here early Friday and am finally getting some decent sleep.

Incredibly sticky and humid on Cape Cod, so the beach is the place to be. Except for midday Sunday when it was a virtual sandstorm.

I'm just north of you and it is going to rain all day here.

249 WayDownSouthInBama  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:57:20am

Let's see if I have the NYT obvious bias figured out. If McCain wants to run an article,it must mirror Obama. If Obama wants to run an article,it doesn't make a damn bit of difference if it mirrors a McCain article or not. Obama gets printed without a McCain "mirror",while a McCain article is rejected without an Obama "mirror".

Is that what everyone else is seeing?

250 dolfan  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:57:36am

How many drafts did Obama submit before the NYT deemed it acceptable to print?

251 Cicero05  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:57:40am

Pinch Sulzberger's destruction of NYT's credibility and circulation numbers is just about complete.

BTW, I'll bet McCain's really surprised at this. He's worked so hard to curry the favor of the NYT editorial staff. Must be a splash of cold water to find that the New York Times only likes McCain when he's trashing conservatives.

252 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:57:56am

re: #247 Cognito
You know.

253 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:58:03am

re: #231 pingjockey

We get the NYT Sunday crossword in our local papers tv guide.

It's not just the crossword. It's the accrostics and other puzzles.

254 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:58:13am

re: #241 alegrias

* * *
Speaking about hand shaking, Rep. Joe Sestak of Pennsylvania, former Navy admiral, democrat & the highest ranking veteran in Congress, today said it was important to be able to touch your president.

(this morning on Fox & Friends, on Fox Cable)

The best senior officers I met made it quietly clear that they disapproved of retired senior officers going into politics.

255 cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:58:19am

re: #193 JammieWearingFool

I'm fine, thanks.

Thanks for the flowers last week. Much appreciated.

On vacation now; just waiting for the storm clouds to blow over then I'm heading to the beach.

We all hate you now, you know.
*grin*

256 mossley  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:58:23am

re: #146 victor_yugo

Uh, nope. Check the Constitution.

I have. Immigration law has changed considerably over the years. My understanding is that a child of an American mother gets citizenship as long as the mother lived in the US for five years before the birth. For American fathers, a paternity test is also needed. Is there some other requirement I'm missing?

257 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:58:43am

re: #252 newsjunkie_ky

You know.

Eh? I've got no idea what your point is. So far it's just been cryptic little asides.

258 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:59:08am

re: #238 ec marm

Here, save yourself some money.
/ There's probably 10,000 more links through Giggle...

*smooch*

259 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:59:13am

If McCains' Op-Ed has to 'mirror' Obama's does that mean he'll have to use the same color crayons?

260 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:59:46am

re: #235 Dianna

I'm glad to hear you're doing all right.

I sent a mass card; did it arrive?

I hadn't had the opportunity to check the cards (there were a lot of them) and I believe the funeral home piled them all together and gave them to my mother. I'll have to find out when I get back.

Thanks for sending it.

261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 9:59:51am

So much for tolerance;

Obama camp denies New Yorker writer plane seat

New Yorker writer Ryan Lizza, whose long, long article on Barack Obama's early political days in Chicago's ward politics was the reason for the magazine's controversial cover by Barry Blitt depicting Obama as a Muslim, has been barred from traveling with Obama on his foreign field trip this week.

262 reine.de.tout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:00:01am

re: #9 Occasional Reader

"For instance, we'd be happy to run with something titled, say, 'Obama was right all along, and you should vote for him, not me'".

I think you're right. Here's another quote from the same article:


‘It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece,’ NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley explained in an email late Friday to McCain’s staff.

263 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:00:23am

According to NPR, the NYT's readership isn't actually decreasing at all; it's just that people are reading their on-line offerings rather than their printed paper. Overall, it's still just as popular.

Of course, NPR basically = NYT.

264 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:00:34am

re: #253 MandyManners
I swear the Sunday NYT is the biggest pile of paper I have ever seen. Take 2 of the Sunday Seattle paper to make one of it.

265 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:00:49am

re: #250 dolfan

How many drafts did Obama submit before the NYT deemed it acceptable to print?

They told him to submit whatever he liked, they'd clear space for him.

266 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:01:04am

*spit* *spit* *spit*

Lawmakers Could Consider Gas Tax Hike, After Gas Tax Holiday Fails

WASHINGTON — The political vision of a summer gas tax holiday died a quick death in Congress, losing to a view that federal excise taxes on gasoline and diesel fuel will have to go up if they go anywhere.
267 Cartman  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:01:30am

The MSM is dropping the gloves. There's no pretense whatsoever left as to their intentions. They want/need Barry elected in the worst kind of way. Don't expect to see a shred of impartiality or objectivity from here on out through election night. They've gone full-bore from reporting on a presidential race, to actively promoting and endorsing a candidate and stifling his opponents views. Welcome to a brave, new world folks.

268 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:01:35am

re: #254 lifeofthemind

The best senior officers I met made it quietly clear that they disapproved of retired senior officers going into politics.

* * *
Former rear admiral pennsylvania democrat Rep. Joe Sestak said, roughly, that Obama has better military judgment than John McCain.

269 pat  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:01:41am

re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If the GOP shared that view, they could fly around in a Lear jet.

270 JammieWearingFool  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:01:54am

re: #248 BBev

I'm just north of you and it is going to rain all day here.

We missed those nasty storms yesterday, got a slight bit of rain overnight and that's been it.

Well, I'm off.

Nice day, all!

271 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:02:02am

re: #246 Wendya

’‘It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama’s piece

Maybe McCain's mistake was in sending it to the Times instead of sending it directly to Obama to edit? No that can't be right. Editing is work and Obama doesn't do "work."

272 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:02:15am

Charles, I've got one better for you. It is the NYT defense of the publication of that op-ed by Yousef.

273 Tigger2005  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:02:31am

Probably only a matter of time before Sami Kuntar gets an op-ed in the Slimes.

He'll probably get one in the Washington Posts' "spirituality" section, too.

274 cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:10am

re: #264 pingjockey

I swear the Sunday NYT is the biggest pile of paper I have ever seen. Take 2 of the Sunday Seattle paper to make one of it.

Including all the advertising inserts. I have to go through and toss all that stuff just to get to the actual paper (Seattle Times and Everett Herald).

275 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:32am

re: #266 jcm

The "gas tax holiday" was a lousy idea anyway, IMHO. (Don't know about a tax hike, though.)

276 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:39am

re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So much for tolerance;

Obama camp denies New Yorker writer plane seat

This is the sort of thing that will get Drudge to turn on Obama.

Politicians are all ego-maniacal. Obama brings it to a new level by barring reporters in this manner. One wonders what will happen in the White House - will critical reporters be barred from press conferences?

277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:51am

re: #266 jcm

*spit* *spit* *spit*

Lawmakers Could Consider Gas Tax Hike, After Gas Tax Holiday Fails

Drill now, drill deep, drill often.

Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi piss me the hell off every time they open their mouths saying Californians don't want to drill. I want drilling rigs, refineries and nuke plants now.

278 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:53am

re: #264 pingjockey

I swear the Sunday NYT is the biggest pile of paper I have ever seen. Take 2 of the Sunday Seattle paper to make one of it.

The NYT is a pale shadow of what it used to be.

279 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:54am

re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So much for tolerance;

Obama camp denies New Yorker writer plane seat

That didn't take too long.

280 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:03:58am

re: #268 alegrias
Why do I get the idea Sestak(i keep wanting to write sleestak) was a Klintoon admiral like Weasley was a Klintoon general. All politics, no substance. Read pc flag officer.

281 cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:04:30am

re: #274 cygnus

Including all the advertising inserts. I have to go through and toss all that stuff just to get to the actual paper (Seattle Times and Everett Herald).

re: #274 cygnus

Including all the advertising inserts? I have to go through and toss all that stuff just to get to the actual paper (Seattle Times and Everett Herald).

PIMF

282 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:04:44am

re: #264 pingjockey

I swear the Sunday NYT is the biggest pile of paper I have ever seen. Take 2 of the Sunday Seattle paper to make one of it.

It may be thick but, it's shrunk in width fairly recently.

283 MarineMomSue  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:05:12am

re: #16 joncelli

Let's give the NYT the benefit of a doubt. Let's say the opinion piece by McCain doesn't meet their editorial standards. Let's give them that excuse once. Let McCain's people rewrite the piece according to the NYT's critique. Then if they reject it again, the NYT has no more excuses, and we can go medieval on them.

Surely, you can't be serious?

I am curious, however. I'd like to know if obama was asked to 'rewrite' his piece to meet the 'standards' of the nyt, before they happily published every word of it?

My gut feeling is that obama's op piece fit perfectly with the nyt 'standards'.
*spit*

284 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:05:14am

re: #266 jcm

*spit* *spit* *spit*

Lawmakers Could Consider Gas Tax Hike, After Gas Tax Holiday Fails

Either they are so completely stupid that they think raising the gas tax will lower gas prices, or they want the economy to tank before November so people will vote for "change".
While they're dumb, I don't quite think most are as dumb to think that raising the gas tax will help oil prices.

285 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:05:27am

re: #260 JammieWearingFool

You're more than welcome; I was a bit worried.

286 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:05:28am

When is a mirror not a mirror?

NYT Op-Ed editor David Shipley: 'It would be terrific to have an article from Senator McCain that mirrors Senator Obama's piece. To that end, the article would have to articulate, in concrete terms, how Senator McCain defines victory in Iraq.'

BUT! Obama's NYT op-ed did not define victory.

While McCain's rejected op-ed DOES define victory:

I will continue implementing a proven counterinsurgency strategy not only in Iraq but also in Afghanistan with the goal of creating stable, secure, self-sustaining democratic allies.

287 LindaMarie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:05:45am

re: #276 karmic_inquisitor

Stick to the high road McCain,
let them on the plane, just make then (NYT) sit in the jump seat the whole time buckled up and uncomfortable.

288 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:05:54am

re: #274 cygnus
I'm over here on the eastside of the Cascades and actually got a phone call from the NYT about a subscription last year. Laughed my ass off at the poor fool on the other end of the phone.

289 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:06:00am

re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So much for tolerance;

Obama camp denies New Yorker writer plane seat

* * *
How can his partisan campaign bar someone from a Congressional Delegation, federally funded air plane trip they say this is?

290 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:06:00am

re: #276 karmic_inquisitor

This is the sort of thing that will get Drudge to turn on Obama.

Politicians are all ego-maniacal. Obama brings it to a new level by barring reporters in this manner. One wonders what will happen in the White House - will critical reporters be barred from press conferences?

They won't get the chance to go to the press conferences; they'll be in the re-education camps with the rest of us.
/slightly sarc

291 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:06:21am

re: #275 Occasional Reader

The "gas tax holiday" was a lousy idea anyway, IMHO. (Don't know about a tax hike, though.)

Yep they buy us (collectively) off with the rebate and talk of a holiday. While increase the hidden taxes of user fees etc... and never touch real tax reform.

292 Wendya  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:06:27am

re: #284 Kosh's Shadow

they are so completely stupid

That about sums it up.

293 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:06:40am

re: #214 formercorpsman

We are in serious trouble if the entire MSM continues like this. They don't have to cover McCain if they don't want to. They don't have to acknowledge him or print his editorials. It looks like there's only one candidate running and there's not much McCain can do about it.

294 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:07:26am
295 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:07:38am

re: #284 Kosh's Shadow

Either they are so completely stupid that they think raising the gas tax will lower gas prices, or they want the economy to tank before November so people will vote for "change".
While they're dumb, I don't quite think most are as dumb to think that raising the gas tax will help oil prices.

They are so locked into solutions to problems involve taxing it they can't think of anything else.

296 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:07:47am

We have a 'state' media. It is in the tank for obambi.

297 Dianna  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:08:00am

re: #277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Drill now, drill deep, drill often.

Boxer, Feinstein and Pelosi piss me the hell off every time they open their mouths saying Californians don't want to drill. I want drilling rigs, refineries and nuke plants now.

Me, too! Me, too!

298 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:08:14am

After reading Eric Raymond's article about setting off his "Never Again!" radar, and thinking about the crowds' reactions at BO's appearances...

and now seeing the major press is going full-bore as well...

I think the time has arrived for me to start calling him The Fascist Tool Barack Obama.

299 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:08:27am
300 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:09:03am

re: #295 jcm
Rush talking about this nonsense now.

301 pat  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:09:48am

There is also the subliminal message that McCain is a simpleton.

302 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:09:56am

re: #295 jcm

They are so locked into solutions to problems involve taxing it they can't think of anything else.

We need a stupidity tax for politicians. We already have one for everyone else (the lottery)

303 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:10:52am

re: #284 Kosh's Shadow

Either they are so completely stupid that they think raising the gas tax will lower gas prices, or they want the economy to tank before November so people will vote for "change".
While they're dumb, I don't quite think most are as dumb to think that raising the gas tax will help oil prices.

They are sh*tting pickles that the free market is working and the oil bubble may, if not burst completely, at lease seriously deflate before the election. Can't have that, doesn't fit the message. So they jack the tax....

CHANGE!

304 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:10:53am

re: #280 pingjockey

Why do I get the idea Sestak(i keep wanting to write sleestak) was a Klintoon admiral like Weasley was a Klintoon general. All politics, no substance. Read pc flag officer.

* * *
You said it! From wikipedia, Obama's fawning admiral was a Clinton guy...a director on our white house National Security Council....

"...In July 1993 , Sestak became the head of the Strategy and Concepts Branch in the office of the Chief of Naval Operations. From November 1994 to March 1997, he was the Director for Defense Policy on the National Security Council staff at the White House, where he was responsible for national security and defense strategy, policies, programs, inter-agency and congressional coordination and regional political-military advice. In May 1997, he became the commander of Destroyer Squadron 14.[2]


Vice Admiral SestakSestak then directed the CNO's Strategy and Policy Division (N51), and led the Navy's efforts toward the 2000 Quadrennial Defense Review, for which he analyzed the economic value of U.S. defense spending. After September 11th, he became the first director of the Navy Operations Group (Deep Blue), which sought to redefine strategic, operational and budgetary policies in the Global War on Terrorism. He reported directly to chief of naval operations Vern Clark as policy adviser and administrator. Sestak told The Hill that as the designated policy adviser and administrator to Clark, it was his job to revamp the Navy, a process that necessarily ruffled feathers. “Change is very challenging,” Sestak said. “It did not sit well with a lot of people...I worked hard, and I did not ask anyone to work harder than me."[4]

In the summer of 2005, Sestak was administratively reassigned from his position as DCNO. His removal was one of the first changes made by Adm. Michael Mullen when he took over as Chief of Naval Operations (CNO) in July, according to Navy Times...."

305 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:10:56am

re: #210 ec marm
Hi EC! Well in some ways it is a "fight" between Urban/Suburban America and Suburban/Rural America. But not for what I would consider nefarious reasons.
First , I believe that the OVERWHELMING majority of Black American's live in urban/suburban settings and their passion for Obama - as evidenced by his carrying more than 90% of the vote in ALL the Dem primaries - gives Obama a big boost in Urban America.
Secondly, While Urban America doesn't think the price of a gallon of gas is going to adversely affect them; they have public transportation - subways, busses and the like but they know that EVERYTHING anyone in Urban America eats or drinks (except tap water) has to be delivered to their stores by Trucks.
Third, ecomomicially, the job losses in Detroit and in the financial sector DO hit Urban America more than in Rural America, because Urban/suburban workers are the ones who will lose their jobs in this economy far more than folks in Rural America.
Lastly, while more Latino voters are apt to vote Republican, most of those who aren't hiding out in Sanctuary cities, do work in the agricultural and construction fields in Rural/Suburban America and they do live where they work (e.g., North Carolina has the fourth largest population of illegals in the US). So they sort of fit in the Republican/Rural area.

The foregoing is an obviously facile attempt by me to comprehend what EC does see: this IS shaping up to be an Urban vs. Suburban/Rural election and I'm sure I've overlooked a few things (gun owners/hunters tending towards Suburban/Rural and the like) and of course the pitch isn't even - there are Republicans in Urban America and Democrats in Rural America.

306 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:10:57am

re: #300 pingjockey

Rush talking about this nonsense now.

Listening now....
Congress are such utter tools.

307 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:10:59am

Eric Raymond's article

308 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:11:39am

re: #247 Cognito

Which is?

Well, you DO have a reputation around here as a defender of the media and especially media bias. So this topic should be right up your alley - En Garde!

309 Captain Hate  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:12:03am

If the Slimes wanted this to be read by nobody, all they had to do was publish it. Now it's headline news on the evil innerwebbzz being read by everybody.

310 J.S.  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:12:29am

re: #296 pingjockey

Although, i think it has "gone global" -- i don't know of any media, anywhere, that doesn't bow down to the Obamanation.

311 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:12:30am

re: #275 Occasional Reader

The "gas tax holiday" was a lousy idea anyway, IMHO. (Don't know about a tax hike, though.)


The only thing I can figure is that the Dems in Congress think that approval ratings are like golf scores, the lower the better.

312 Aylios  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:13:15am

Just finished reading the McCain ed on Drudge.

All I can say is 'f-ing A USA!' for creating a modern country where before there was a vicious cesspit, because that's what seems increasingly certain (unless Obama gets the presidency, in which case all bets are off).

And boy am I getting sick of me fellow european dipsticks, who have all been brainwashed into thinking Obama's some kind of messiah and that McCain is "just like Bush". Anyone have a green card they don't need?

313 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:13:20am

re: #304 alegrias
"Administratively reassigned=kicked to the curb for being an incompetent tool.

314 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:13:58am

Checklist for Green peace "Anti-Diesel" protest; TV Cameras, protestors, Soviet-Era Diesel boat, Diesel Fuel

The 72-metre ship will arrive off Airlie Beach tomorrow as Greenpeace ramps up its protest over the proposed mine near wetlands and national parks adjacent to the Great Barrier Reef.

But QER director of corporate affairs Simon Eldridge today said it was hypocritical that Greenpeace was powering its "Soviet-era ship" that relies on diesel, to come to an area to protest against the production of diesel.

"They will be emitting CO2 as they go, but somehow they don't acknowledge the irony or hypocrisy of their actions," Mr Eldridge said.

"If Greenpeace is so strongly opposed to the production and use of diesel fuels, then it should at the very least change its entire fleet to be powered solely by solar, wind or hydrogen.

"It is very unlikely Greenpeace would elect to do that because the reality is that, for at least the foreseeable future, there are no viable alternative fuels for use in long-distance heavy transport vehicles."

315 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #310 J.S.
Damn scary.

316 Wendya  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:14:21am

re: #301 pat

There is also the subliminal message that McCain is a simpleton.

The left always characterizes Republicans as drooling idiots (they're playing the Alzheimer's card on leftists sites). They honestly believe they are far more intelligent than the rest of us and must be put into office so they can protect us from our own stupidity.

Of course, there are morons on the right but they are outnumbered by those on the left by a very, very wide margin. The difference is, we don't want to pass laws to save them from their own ignorance.

317 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:14:41am

re: #308 Russkilitlover

Well, you DO have a reputation around here as a defender of the media and especially media bias. So this topic should be right up your alley - En Garde!

Except, inconveniently, I don't defend media bias. I've always said it's there and it's outrageous.

So. You know. Coup deja lance, I suppose.

318 pat  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:15:28am

re: #316 Wendya

The left always characterizes Republicans as drooling idiots (they're playing the Alzheimer's card on leftists sites). They honestly believe they are far more intelligent than the rest of us and must be put into office so they can protect us from our own stupidity.

Of course, there are morons on the right but they are outnumbered by those on the left by a very, very wide margin. The difference is, we don't want to pass laws to save them from their own ignorance.

Very true.

319 Blastforth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:15:35am

re: #286 Kenneth

A definition of victory acceptable to the NYT would be something impossible to attain, i.e. "A free, stable Iraq that is guaranteed never to falter."

They must have defeat because a victory would vindicate Bush's policy, and that they cannot have.

320 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:16:32am

re: #203 Kenneth

...thus proving that Shipley is a hypocrite.

Hypocrite? No, Shipley is a lying shill.

321 wiffersnapper  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:16:44am

Liberal tolerance on parade

322 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:17:03am

re: #314 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Don't you realize, you little peon you, it is intentions, not results! Like manbearpig flying around in his private jet. They are better than us little people. I don't need a tag do I?

323 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:18:01am

re: #263 Pyrocles

But they make money off their print edition. Whether the electronic readership is the same or not, the revenues aren't there.

324 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:18:05am

re: #266 jcm,

Because gas is too cheap if plebians like yourself can still afford it. Gas should only be for the wealthy. Just ask Al Gore.

325 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:18:40am

re: #319 Blastforth

A definition of victory acceptable to the NYT would be something impossible to attain, i.e. "A free, stable Iraq that is guaranteed never to falter."

They must have defeat because a victory would vindicate Bush's policy, and that they cannot have.

They are more slippery than that. The Times now defines victory under Obama as getting out with minimal casualties and victory under anybody else as an ongoing demilitarized love fest.

326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:18:43am

re: #322 pingjockey

Don't you realize, you little peon you, it is intentions, not results! Like manbearpig flying around in his private jet. They are better than us little people. I don't need a tag do I?

If it truly is intentions, not results, then I've had more sex than Ron Jeremy.

327 Captain Hate  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:19:16am

re: #312 Aylios

Anyone have a green card they don't need?

I know some people I'd love to kick out and let you take their place. A current whole plane-load of them in fact.

328 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:19:19am

re: #326 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Mwahahahaha!

329 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:20:54am

re: #166 lifeofthemind

Hey I thought were all Mandy now. Do I have to go back to being me again?

/I'm staying Mandy all week..I need the break.

330 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:21:27am

re: #327 Captain Hate
Wouldn't it be a hoot if some sort of exotic bug got loose on the plane and they all had to be quarantined?!

331 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:21:36am

re: #291 jcm

Yep they buy us (collectively) off with the rebate and talk of a holiday. While increase the hidden taxes of user fees etc... and never touch real tax reform.

* * *
Any tax holiday is always a good idea, it reinforces that taxes are IMPOSED by democrats, and lowered by antitax republicans.

Tax holidays are win win for consumers.

Voters need reminding who IMPOSED taxes on them, and who removes taxes.

332 Blastforth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:22:02am

Re update:

"Op-ed pages are for debate, but if you get only one side, that’s not debate. And that’s not healthy."

NYT, The Public Editor, CLARK HOYT, June 24, 2007

333 gearhead  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:22:25am

What are they afraid of? Increasing their readership?

334 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:22:28am

re: #284 Kosh's Shadow
No, they think of gasoline the way they think of cigarettes - hike the taxes, make it more expensive, consumers will use less of it.
Stupid, but I fear, true.

335 songbird  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:22:59am

re: #329 HoosierHoops

Greetings and Salutations

336 Captain Hate  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:23:22am

re: #330 pingjockey

Wouldn't it be a hoot if some sort of exotic bug got loose on the plane and they all had to be quarantined?!

I think the market would hit 20000 for starters.

337 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:23:52am

re: #272 lawhawk

Charles, I've got one better for you. It is the NYT defense of the publication of that op-ed by Yousef.

Well they got the first paragraph completely wrong, didn't they? They are no longer important.

"THE op-ed page of The New York Times is perhaps the nation’s most important forum for airing opinions on the most contentious issues of the day — the war in Iraq, abortion, global warming and more."

338 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:26:16am

re: #272 lawhawk

Charles, I've got one better for you. It is the NYT defense of the publication of that op-ed by Yousef.

"The danger of the one-sided debate"... great find, lawhawk.

339 jordash1212  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:26:23am

This is exactly what is wrong with the press. They have such an easy time building up Obama, but when you listen to what he has to say it's not really anything substantial. The media needs to play a bigger role in this election by starting to debate between candidates and their respective parties.

340 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:26:26am
341 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:26:35am

That's what I figured. Do they have a paid subscription option on their Web site? I really don't want to check myself... Would pollute my browser :(

re: #323 quickjustice

But they make money off their print edition. Whether the electronic readership is the same or not, the revenues aren't there.

342 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:27:18am

re: #335 songbird

Greetings and Salutations


{Songbird}
How is life treating you?

343 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:27:27am

re: #324 Iron Fist

,

Because gas is too cheap if plebians like yourself can still afford it. Gas should only be for the wealthy. Just ask Al Gore.

Let Algore take the kids to daycare, appointments etc... then. Won't even get into what it takes for a foster kid, we get medically fragile ones with our medical backgrounds, lots of running around with those kids.

Seattle's mayor took this chauffeur driven caddy to make an announcement about making Seattle car free, transit only. I wrote that tool an nice letter asking how I'm took take 3 kids under 4, one a medically fragile infant around Seattle to 4 different appointments on a 34° day with wind and rain and if I'm supposed to wait at bus stops.

The fucking elitists come up with this crap while a nanny takes care of the kids, a chauffeur driven car is on standby, and a the cook is fixing dinner.

Let they take damn near 40% of my income in taxes, think I'm rich and tell me how to live.

The break point is near for a lot of folks. Let's hope the revolution is at the ballot box.

344 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:27:35am

re: #267 Cartman

The MSM is dropping the gloves. There's no pretense whatsoever left as to their intentions. They want/need Barry elected in the worst kind of way. Don't expect to see a shred of impartiality or objectivity from here on out through election night. They've gone full-bore from reporting on a presidential race, to actively promoting and endorsing a candidate and stifling his opponents views. Welcome to a brave, new world folks.

that is exactly what is happening.
i'm hoping it gets so blatant and obvious that people will notice it.
that kind of shilling is ugly. a lot of people won't like it.

345 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:28:02am

re: #229 mingjaiyo

... a shareholder revolt at the Times ...

Problem is that the Times has two classes of stock. The family controls the voting stock, so the majority of the shareowners have no effective way of influencing corporate decisions - even less than in most corporations. The family members don't realy care what happens to the publicly traded stock. They can take their money out as salaries and expense accounts, and leave the ordinary shareowners up a creek.

346 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:28:17am

Damn - guess I gotta reboot my computer, somethings obviously not working right. I went to check on Cognito's comments and the big red minus number next to them is missing.

347 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:28:18am

re: #339 jordash1212

This is exactly what is wrong with the press. They have such an easy time building up MARKETING Obama, but when you listen to what he has to say it's not really anything substantial. The media needs to play a bigger role in this election by starting to debate between candidates and their respective parties.

* * *
Fixed that for you. Media is MARKETING Obama, not consumer reporting on him.

348 songbird  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:28:27am

re: #342 HoosierHoops

{Songbird}
How is life treating you?

Reasonably. Two weeks left before I start Teaching again. Honestly, I'm looking forward to it!

349 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:28:59am

re: #317 Cognito

Except, inconveniently, I don't defend media bias. I've always said it's there and it's outrageous.
blockquote>

Nice channeling of Obama.

350 Jinx  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:29:02am

The so-called "Fairness Doctrine" come to mind? For libs, it's a one way street.

As someone else pointed out. This should be counted as a direct contribution to the Obama campaign and the NYT should be fined accordingly.

351 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:29:25am

re: #331 alegrias

* * *
Any tax holiday is always a good idea, it reinforces that taxes are IMPOSED by democrats, and lowered by antitax republicans.

Tax holidays are win win for consumers.

Voters need reminding who IMPOSED taxes on them, and who removes taxes.

I have to disagree, a tax holiday is bribe, something to buy us off instead of Congress doing they damn jobs. Revocation of the gas tax I'd go for, a tax holiday is putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound to the chest.

352 Arbalest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:29:47am

The crux from the second update to this thread (the written words of Clark Hoyt):

“The point of the op-ed page is advocacy. And, Rosenthal said, “we do not feel the obligation to provide the kind of balance you find in news coverage, because it is opinion.””

Does this also mean, Mr. Rosenthal, that, when you offer others the opportunity to write a rebuttal, you “feel no obligation” to print their rebuttal opinion if you don’t like it?

353 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:30:16am

re: #339 jordash1212

This is exactly what is wrong with the press. They have such an easy time building up Obama, but when you listen to what he has to say it's not really anything substantial. The media WOMENS LEAGUE OF VOTERS needs to play a bigger role in this election by starting to debate between candidates and their respective parties.

* * *
Fixed that for you. Anyone else remember when bluehaired ladies of the Womens League of Voters ran the presidential "Debates" and they were serious debates?

Or am I dreaming?

354 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:30:26am

re: #349 Russkilitlover

Be like McCain, then. Cite examples of my defense of bias.

355 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:31:55am

re: #346 ec marm

Hey EC - I did my best to answer your question and yet still post it in time for it to be read by anyone (that is, I was afraid Charles would put up another thread while I was laboring over that one) at #305.

356 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:32:03am

re: #350 Jinx

The so-called "Fairness Doctrine" come to mind? For libs, it's a one way street.

As someone else pointed out. This should be counted as a direct contribution to the Obama campaign and the NYT should be fined accordingly.

re: #350 Jinx

Didn't the NYT do something similar or that was tantamount to a campaign contibution a few months ago?

357 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:32:09am

re: #346 ec marm

Damn - guess I gotta reboot my computer, somethings obviously not working right. I went to check on Cognito's comments and the big red minus number next to them is missing.

LOL!

358 Occasional Reader  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #286 Kenneth

BUT! Obama's NYT op-ed did not define victory.

Gah! Totally missing the point! You are completely ignoring Obama's innovative "defeat, no matter what" strategy.

359 Jinx  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:32:11am

re: #16 joncelli

Let's give the NYT the benefit of a doubt. Let's say the opinion piece by McCain doesn't meet their editorial standards. Let's give them that excuse once. Let McCain's people rewrite the piece according to the NYT's critique. Then if they reject it again, the NYT has no more excuses, and we can go medieval on them.

No, we're not going to give them the benefit of a doubt. You can go to the Drudge Report and click on the red hyperlink and read McCain's submitted op-ed in its entirety. Then you can point out where it didn't meet editorial standards.

360 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:32:46am

re: #354 Cognito

Be like McCain, then. Cite examples of my defense of bias.

It's not your defense of bias, it's your defense of media and your refusal to SEE bias. But you can have your opinion and fare well. You can call the sky green all you want - I know it's blue and arguing you out of green is a waste of my time.

361 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:32:56am

re: #356 Nevergiveup

That was the publication of the Betray-Us ads by Moveon.org for below market rate prices.

362 JohnnyReb  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #343 jcm

Let Algore take the kids to daycare, appointments etc... then. Won't even get into what it takes for a foster kid, we get medically fragile ones with our medical backgrounds, lots of running around with those kids.

Seattle's mayor took this chauffeur driven caddy to make an announcement about making Seattle car free, transit only. I wrote that tool an nice letter asking how I'm took take 3 kids under 4, one a medically fragile infant around Seattle to 4 different appointments on a 34° day with wind and rain and if I'm supposed to wait at bus stops.

The fucking elitists come up with this crap while a nanny takes care of the kids, a chauffeur driven car is on standby, and a the cook is fixing dinner.

Let they take damn near 40% of my income in taxes, think I'm rich and tell me how to live.

The break point is near for a lot of folks. Let's hope the revolution is at the ballot box.


Here in New England, this winter will be the breakpoint if heating oil doesn't come down from over $5 a gallon. About $1250 to fill a tank with 250 gallons and the average house uses about 750 gallons a season for a grand total of $3750 to heat a house. People are already saying they can't afford both a mortgage payment and a heating bill at the same time come this winter.

363 mattm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #11 kynna

Blatant. At least they're not pretending to be a news organization anymore. Gotta give them that.

They haven't been a news organization for years. Since Bush took office. "All the news that we want you to read, in out PC form"

364 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:33:37am

re: #359 Jinx

No, we're not going to give them the benefit of a doubt. You can go to the Drudge Report and click on the red hyperlink and read McCain's submitted op-ed in its entirety. Then you can point out where it didn't meet editorial standards.

It doesn't meet editorial standards.....
It contains some conservative ideas, strictly verboten at NYT.

365 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:33:49am

re: #361 lawhawk

That was the publication of the Betray-Us ads by Moveon.org for below market rate prices.

Right--thanks.

366 ec marm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:33:59am

re: #355 realwest
I read it, dinged you up. Couldn't disagree with one point. You must have been clickin' away like a fiend.

367 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:34:01am

re: #360 Russkilitlover

All righty.

368 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:34:03am

re: #348 songbird

Reasonably. Two weeks left before I start Teaching again. Honestly, I'm looking forward to it!

Teaching music? what's not to like?
/ I'll bet you wake up and go..oh boy..for work today i think we'll just play music..
So Jealous..

369 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:34:48am
370 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:35:04am

re: #351 jcm

I have to disagree, a tax holiday is bribe, something to buy us off instead of Congress doing they damn jobs. Revocation of the gas tax I'd go for, a tax holiday is putting a bandaid on a gunshot wound to the chest.

* * *
Agreed, reprieving taxes is best.

However, just the talk of removing taxes is progress.

Reminding people their taxes are decided and imposed arbitrarily by (usually democrat) politicians is also good.

Republicans and conservatives want you to keep more of your money, is a good message to convey in these times.

371 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:35:29am

re: #345 Son of the Black Dog

Problem is that the Times has two classes of stock. The family controls the voting stock, so the majority of the shareowners have no effective way of influencing corporate decisions - even less than in most corporations. The family members don't realy care what happens to the publicly traded stock. They can take their money out as salaries and expense accounts, and leave the ordinary shareowners up a creek.

What else does Sulzberger own that we could wreck?

372 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:35:51am

NBC News Refers to Obama's Trip as 'Tour of Duty'

It's bad enough that Barack Obama's trip to the Middle East is getting an insane amount of MSM coverage (the three big network news anchors? Whoa!); now, NBC News believes it apt to compare Obama's sojourn to ... an actual military tour of duty. Yes indeed. Check out at right how anchor Lester Holt introduces last evening's Nightly News.

/media outlets fighting over who gets to lick Obama's ass crack

373 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:36:22am

re: #20 harrylook

So, that's what they mean by All the News That's Fit to Print.

All the news that fits, they print.

374 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:36:26am

re: #371 MandyManners

What else does Sulzberger own that we could wreck?

Don't worry, he is doing a pretty good job wrecking the NYTs himself.

375 Barking Pumpkin  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:36:42am

The Times new slogan should be:
"All The News That Fits (Our Agenda), We Print."

376 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:36:45am

re: #362 JohnnyReb

Here in New England, this winter will be the breakpoint if heating oil doesn't come down from over $5 a gallon. About $1250 to fill a tank with 250 gallons and the average house uses about 750 gallons a season for a grand total of $3750 to heat a house. People are already saying they can't afford both a mortgage payment and a heating bill at the same time come this winter.

I was listening to some oil industry analysts recently, they said some of the know offshore oil fields could be online in as little as 12 months. The fields where we know there is oil but where shut down. Just the announcement we are going to do it would drop the price of oil substantially.

377 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:36:45am

re: #372 Killian Bundy
That is obscene.

378 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:36:52am
379 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #356 Nevergiveup

re: #350 Jinx

Didn't the NYT do something similar or that was tantamount to a campaign contibution a few months ago?

Moveon.org's attack on Gen. Petraues (sp?) in an ad.

380 lobo91  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:37:14am

re: #352 Arbalest

Does this also mean, Mr. Rosenthal, that, when you offer others the opportunity to write a rebuttal, you “feel no obligation” to print their rebuttal opinion if you don’t like it?

Yes, that's exactly what it means.

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:37:15am
382 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:37:42am

re: #324 Iron Fist Hey bro', I really liked my answer in #334 better. And, as I said in my #305, to the extent this IS a war between Urban/Rural America, American's who live in Urban areas with public transportation are MUCH less affected (not really, but they think they are) by rising gasoline prices.
That's the bad news.
The good news is any increase in gas taxes will have to be proposed by Democrats and that fact should not be lost on Suburban voters - who not infrequently HAVE to drive a car to work, to shop, etc.
So maybe this shapes up as Urban vs. Suburban and Rural voters.

383 Killian Bundy  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:38:15am

re: #345 Son of the Black Dog

The family members don't realy care what happens to the publicly traded stock.

They report earnings this week. I bet they'll miss on earnings big time.

/bought me some OCT 15 puts this morning

384 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:38:22am

re: #372 Killian Bundy

NBC News Refers to Obama's Trip as 'Tour of Duty'

It's bad enough that Barack Obama's trip to the Middle East is getting an insane amount of MSM coverage (the three big network news anchors? Whoa!); now, NBC News believes it apt to compare Obama's sojourn to ... an actual military tour of duty. Yes indeed. Check out at right how anchor Lester Holt introduces last evening's Nightly News.

/media outlets fighting over who gets to lick Obama's ass crack

yup and after he loses all they'll have is a funny colored tongue and a bad taste in their mouth....like always!

385 Meremortal  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:38:24am

I take it this means McCain's op-ed takes Obama apart pretty well.

386 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:38:53am

re: #381 buzzsawmonkey
I meant comparing the camp trip to a tour of duty, not that the media want to lick his ass. That is accurate for sure.

387 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:39:03am

re: #372 Killian Bundy

When The Fascist Tool Barack Obama can prove that he saw front-line action in a combat zone, then I'll believe he's done a "tour of duty."

388 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:39:07am
389 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:39:21am

re: #379 MandyManners

Moveon.org's attack on Gen. Petraues (sp?) in an ad.

* * *
NYT gave Moveon.org the discounted, preferred opinion rate, to attack General Petraeus in September while he testified in Congress.

Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome,
To NYTimes
Where we do slimes
4-U

390 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #374 Nevergiveup

Don't worry, he is doing a pretty good job wrecking the NYTs himself.

As long as he and his family keep on sucking money out of it, he doesn't care.

391 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:39:32am

Caption of the day: Yahoo pic

Palestinians stand in a warehouse full of food supplies supplied by the UN Relief and Works Agency, (UNRWA), at a distribution station in the Shati refugee camp, in Gaza City, Monday, July, 21, 2008. Israel imposed a partial blockade on Gaza in response to rocket fire from the territory on southern Israel. A cease-fire currently in effect has decreased the rocket fire and has led Israel to increase the trickle of goods entering Gaza.


A cease fire leads to reduced rocket attacks? Go figure.

392 quickjustice  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:39:59am

The N.Y. Times already is in a death spiral. Murdoch is positioning the Wall Street Journal to take them on head-to-head.

At this point, only elite liberal opinion in New York cares about the N.Y. Times. And it is that audience only of which McCain is being deprived.

McCain's people really should figure this out, and make the case that they don't need N.Y. elite liberal opinion to win the election. They're wasting their time fighting this battle except to the extent they prove to conservatives that the N.Y. Times doesn't like McCain despite its prior endorsement of him.

393 Jinx  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:40:14am

re: #160 MandyManners

Do so when they're in Bumfucked, Idaho, too.

That place is actually called Ogden, Utah.

But I disagree with locking them out. That would seem like he's throwing a tantrum--and McCain has a history with his temper. No need to give Obama more ammo.

394 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:40:22am
395 songbird  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:40:37am

re: #368 HoosierHoops

Teaching music? what's not to like?
/ I'll bet you wake up and go..oh boy..for work today i think we'll just play music..
So Jealous..

Seriously, I get to sing and play piano all day!

But.....there are some kids I'd like to string up! I have an amazing 8th grade choir coming up, and a VERY lively 7th grade group. The 6th graders are the unknown factor.

396 pat  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:40:40am

re: #376 jcm

I was listening to some oil industry analysts recently, they said some of the know offshore oil fields could be online in as little as 12 months. The fields where we know there is oil but where shut down. Just the announcement we are going to do it would drop the price of oil substantially.

We could put about 100,000 barrels in play just by opening the closed wells in Santa Barbara. SB has 20 active wells now. That could double in a few months.

397 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:40:49am

re: #388 buzzsawmonkey

Read it at Drudge. McCain fillets Obama like a brook trout.


speaking of drudge..anyone seen this yet...
[Link: hypemovie.com...]

it is linked off of drudge.

398 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:41:07am

re: #389 alegrias

Willkommen, bienvenue, welcome,
To NYTimes
Where we do slimes
4-U

Is it time to start singing "The Future Belongs to Me" yet?

399 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:41:07am

re: #390 MandyManners

As long as he and his family keep on sucking money out of it, he doesn't care.

Well it ain't no bottomless pit. Their gonna hit a hard floor one of these days.

400 Josephine  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:41:14am

McCain's piece is very good.

This is excellent:

"Senator Obama has said that he would consult our commanders on the ground and Iraqi leaders, but he did no such thing before releasing his 'plan for Iraq.' Perhaps that’s because he doesn’t want to hear what they have to say. During the course of eight visits to Iraq, I have heard many times from our troops what Major General Jeffrey Hammond, commander of coalition forces in Baghdad, recently said: that leaving based on a timetable would be 'very dangerous.'”

401 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:42:20am

re: #393 Jinx

That place is actually called Ogden, Utah.

But I disagree with locking them out. That would seem like he's throwing a tantrum--and McCain has a history with his temper. No need to give Obama more ammo.

Revoke their current White House press corps passes.

402 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:42:44am

re: #344 nyc redneck I agree with you and with Cartman, but as someone pointed out (sorry, can't remember who or where) out here on LGF, some 49% of poll respondent's said they thought the Media was too pro-Obama.
The NYT - as is it's habit these days - probably boosted that to well over half with this stupidity of theirs.
I don't have the link to the Washington Post handy, but I'll bet that today or tomorrow they will weigh in on this bullshit and come down against the NYT position.

403 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:42:52am

re: #398 victor_yugo

Is it time to start singing "The Future Belongs to Me" yet?

* * *
He will speak in Berlin at the Seigessaeule Hall...

Ja, est ist Zeit.
Der Kampaign wahr sehr Gross.
Ich bin der President.

404 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:42:54am

re: #372 Killian Bundy

Tour of Duty?

I guess Obama is a decorated veteran now...

405 A.W.  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:43:13am

Ah, come on. Are we really surprised?

Nope, not here, but its nice to see them exposed badly enough that even my libs friends can understand it.

406 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:43:13am

re: #378 taxfreekiller

Cognito

So, now that you did all that work and its done, take a moment and
let us know what you think of John F. Kerry's life and what you think of his awards and citations.

I think he's a Great American Hero. I have petitioned Hasbro to reconfigure its G.I. Joe line of figurines to reflect the stages of Senator Kerry's heroism: I call the four figures Lt. Yale, Agent Amphibious, Winter Soldier, and Colonel Catch-up.

Should I add your name to the petition?

407 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:43:17am
408 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:44:15am
409 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:44:18am

As a business I have no problem with the NYT choosing not to run the editorial. I'd prefer they started admitting publicly that they are a left-wing organ (who really doesn't already know that), but they still can choose their content. Conservative complaints about these douchers running this and not running that smacks of the fairness doctrine. It's the POS New York Times! Why should we be surprised or care!?

410 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:44:39am

re: #404 Kenneth

Tour of Duty?

I guess Obama is a decorated veteran now...

* * *
Democrat Purple Hearts can't be too far behind...

411 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:44:56am

re: #119 mossley

Now that's bad. Along with gas prices going up, and the Dow Jones dropping the Times stock has tanked since the Democrats took over.

412 zombie  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:45:07am

re: #369 buzzsawmonkey

I think what we're seeing in the media is this:

The New York Times and the MSM are playing for the endgame. They're so convinced of Obama's unstoppable victory in November, that they feel they don't need to puff him up in every single article. They have room for play. So what they're doing is this: They're training Obama to be their poodle once he's already in office. On one day they'll push his candidacy like a professional PR firm. And then without warning, they'll unleash a brief but painful torrent of criticism.

It's the way a dominant "top" treats a submissive "bottom" in a sado-masochistic relationship. And it's been proven to be an effective way to make the submissive partner live in fear, and to essentially make him your dog. He'll jump to your tune, just to avoid those painful outbursts.

The NY Times and their high-level MSM cohorts want control over Obama once he's in the White House. This is their way of doing it. And it's based on their absolute conviction that he's going to win anyway, so they aren't required to be his cheerleader all the time.

413 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:45:20am

re: #411 kansas

Now that's bad. Along with gas prices going up, and the Dow Jones dropping the Times stock has tanked since the Democrats took over.

It's up today though, about 3 points.

414 Russkilitlover  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:45:35am

re: #406 Cognito

Now THAT's funny! LOL! Kerry action doll figures! Only if it comes with a set of stick pins.

415 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:45:47am

re: #413 rlevitin

4%, 0.5 points.

416 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:46:01am

re: #397 Spider Mensch

Hmmmm, These "documentaries" usually have very little effect. This one looks a little low on substance and is just accusations.

417 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:46:19am

re: #362 JohnnyReb
But the real question is, JohnnyReb, who are they going to blame for this state of affairs - the Republicans or the Dems.
I'm afraid Repubs cause Bush is President; the fact that he ok'd offshore drilling and Congress smacked it down is gonna be lost on most presidential voters, I'm afraid.

418 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:46:59am
419 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:47:18am

re: #413 rlevitin

It's up today though, about 3 points.

What's up 3 points?

420 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #395 songbird

Seriously, I get to sing and play piano all day!

But.....there are some kids I'd like to string up! I have an amazing 8th grade choir coming up, and a VERY lively 7th grade group. The 6th graders are the unknown factor.

Let me have you're choir for a day and they'd be singing Black Dog by led zep..
I'm terrible like that...
/kind regards songbird
BBL

421 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:47:52am

re: #407 taxfreekiller
Jon Halp uz Kary is a lying peice of shit, an aider and abettor of the enemy, a slanderer of his comrades and an all around low life bastard.
His awards include the Duranty award for lying above and beyond the call of duty; The Weasley Clark ribbon for stretching the truth, and the Jane Fonda medal for aiding Americas enemies.

422 yesandno  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:47:56am

Next thing you will find out is that the NYT rejected the Obama piece until he re-wrote it and followed their guidelines! See, rejection is fair

/from Obamassiah's hand to all the little people.

423 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:00am

re: #412 zombie

The flip side is that they've done the same exact thing to McCain...

424 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:12am

re: #409 Eric Cartman's Conscience

As a business I have no problem with the NYT choosing not to run the editorial. I'd prefer they started admitting publicly that they are a left-wing organ (who really doesn't already know that), but they still can choose their content. Conservative complaints about these douchers running this and not running that smacks of the fairness doctrine. It's the POS New York Times! Why should we be surprised or care!?

* * *
You're right. There are many other venues for McCain's opinion piece.

This is great for any fence sitters to see proof of the NYT exposed, on the record, refusing to publish their former favorite Maverick and the candidate THEY recently endorsed.

425 jcm  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:14am

re: #406 Cognito

I think he's a Great American Hero. I have petitioned Hasbro to reconfigure its G.I. Joe line of figurines to reflect the stages of Senator Kerry's heroism: I call the four figures Lt. Yale, Agent Amphibious, Winter Soldier, and Colonel Catch-up.

Should I add your name to the petition?

Don't for the Purple Heart Kerry, comes with rice in his butt.

426 Ceemack  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:18am

re: #29 Charles

I've never heard of a major newspaper rejecting an op-ed by a Presidential candidate. I believe this is unprecedented.


Every time you think "A major newspaper could never sink that low," the NYT proves you wrong.

427 Big Steve  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:41am

re: #20 harrylook

So, that's what they mean by All the News That's Fit to Print.


Or as Mad Magazine parodied may years ago "All the news that fits we print"

428 Kenneth  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:43am

Obama Youth: HOPE! CHANGE! SNAPPY UNIFORMS!

429 realwest  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:48:57am

re: #366 ec marm
Thanks ec - I was trying to think about the very serious and probably very significant issue you raised, while typing at the same time!
*shakes fist at Ajax* LOL.
But I do think this is a serious subject for a longer, much more well thought out comment than what I could come up with on no notice at all!

430 songbird  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:49:17am

re: #420 HoosierHoops

Let me have you're choir for a day and they'd be singing Black Dog by led zep..
I'm terrible like that...
/kind regards songbird
BBL

How about "More Human than Human" by White Zombie!

431 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:49:28am
432 alegrias  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:49:53am

re: #414 Russkilitlover

Now THAT's funny! LOL! Kerry action doll figures! Only if it comes with a set of stick pins.


* * *
And spitballs, and 4 rice kernels and the 4 bandaids to cover his wounds from the rice kernels.

433 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:49:55am

OK, the Obama editorial is also linked off Drudge. I see the stylistic point, no doubt they argue that Obama's is about the war, while McCain's is more about Obama.

So what?

I think McCain gets more mileage out of the Times' picayune complaints and non-publication, than he would out of their printing it. Times' snot-nosed, arrogant, self-destructive "rejection" of it. Pfaw.

434 rlevitin  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:50:05am

re: #419 kansas

What's up 3 points?

That was just a bad random number coming out of my head... brain fart i suppose.

The NYT stock is up today 0.53 points, or 4.19%, but its MAJORLY down on longterm trends.

[Link: finance.aol.com...]

435 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:50:21am

re: #431 buzzsawmonkey

But at least he spent some time in uniform for his tour of duty. Obama just has to do the Unicorn Tour and scarf an MRE, and it's being equated.

Affirmative action rears its ugly head again.

Maybe that MRE will back him up?

436 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:50:57am
437 kansas  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:08am

re: #434 rlevitin

That was just a bad random number coming out of my head... brain fart i suppose.

The NYT stock is up today 0.53 points, or 4.19%, but its MAJORLY down on longterm trends.

[Link: finance.aol.com...]


I had a major brain fart earlier today. Makes you feel better though.

438 Cognito  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:13am

re: #435 Nevergiveup

Maybe that MRE will back him up?

"You're going to want to chew that gum, Mr. Obama."

439 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:14am

re: #431 buzzsawmonkey
I know. tfk hit one of my sore spots, jon f'n kary. that pos still sets me off. lying bastard he is.

440 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:32am

re: #436 buzzsawmonkey

You talking political support, or blockage?

Blockage. Been known to do that.

441 melinwy  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:34am

re: #150 ec marm

Why should that stop you from writing a letter requesting that they cancel your subscription?

great idea!

442 Jinx  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:48am

re: #364 jcm

It doesn't meet editorial standards.....
It contains some conservative ideas, strictly verboten at NYT.

What was I thinking?

443 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:51:52am

re: #438 Cognito

"You're going to want to chew that gum, Mr. Obama."

It's scary that I actually get that.

444 Cygnus  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:52:22am

re: #373 itellu3times

All the news that fits, they print.

All the 'news' that gives you fits, they print.

445 RickZ  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:52:30am

I find it ironic that Shipley uses the word 'mirrors' in his explanation for not accepting a presidential candidate's OpEd. I bet there are no mirrors anywhere in the NYTimes' building at all. Why would blood-sucking vampires need mirrors?

446 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 21, 2008 10:52:30am