Knee jerk reaction:
Its easier to remove something than it is to create it?

(Haven't read the linked article yet though, and I'm sort of on the fence about the whole issue.)

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Blinded by the Light.

Awesome! Brought back memories!

I like his little cartoon.

Christopher Hitchens (yes, everyone knows he’s an unabashed atheist)

I bash him as often as possible for his surly demeanor and unquestionable familiarity with adult beverages.
He does get some things right, sometimes.

Planrt earth is very good. Nat Geo just had another one on. Just mute it when the asshat starts talking about MMGW. On the same vein as this, they found some elephant fossils on Sicily. Seems as if the Med periodically dries up. The regular sized elephants had made their way to Sicily. Well, over time the Med filled up, elephants were trapped on an island and had to get smaller to survive.

The irony is, as scary as it is, that there are plenty of Christians in this country willing to make common cause with Muslims just to get at atheists -- we know how a similar alliance turned out in Iran when student commies joined student [bigoted word]s to overthrow the monarchy. Are there any commies left in Iran? Don't triangulate, evolve.

The one clip I saw about Planet Earth was full blown Gorebul Warming. At that point I took a pass.

BTW, saw Eddie Izzard Sat. night and from where I was sitting (among other things) he did look and sound a bit like Hitch.

God does not require hushed tones.

YEEEEEEE HAAAA!

The elephants were the size of goats. Forgot that point. They found some mammoth fossils off of Siberia on an island and showed the same devolution.

re: #8 jcm

The one clip I saw about Planet Earth was full blown Gorebul Warming. At that point I took a pass.

That was the most annoying part to me, too. It was like someone walked into a cathedral and peed all over the carpet.

Dawkins....

Vestigial eyes, for example, are clear evidence that these cave salamanders must have had ancestors who were different from them—had eyes, in this case. That is evolution. Why on earth would God create a salamander with vestiges of eyes? If he wanted to create blind salamanders, why not just create blind salamanders? Why give them dummy eyes that don't work and that look as though they were inherited from sighted ancestors?

Damn good point.

re: #8 jcm

The one clip I saw about Planet Earth was full blown Gorebul Warming. At that point I took a pass.

There is some of that, but it is generally an amazing work. The kids love it.

re: #12 EC Marm
They couldn't just show and explain this wonderful planet. No, the assholes had to insert politics into it.

re: #9 SFGoth

Izzard has more energy and dresses better.

A video in an earlier thread (Eyes Have It), iirc, outlined the likely stages of development of "incredibly complex" eyes such as humans have.
1) a patch of photoreceptors at the skin surface - good for sensing light vs dark
2) a patch of photoreceptors within in an indentation - also good for sensing general direction of light
etc

If the blind salamander can evolve, I wonder how many generations till ID proponents lose their cognitive skills for lack of use.

re: #11 pingjockey

Sort of like why all the animals from the Shetland Islands are small?

re: #13 Killgore Trout

Dawkins....

Vestigial eyes, for example, are clear evidence that these cave salamanders must have had ancestors who were different from them—had eyes, in this case. That is evolution. Why on earth would God create a salamander with vestiges of eyes? If he wanted to create blind salamanders, why not just create blind salamanders? Why give them dummy eyes that don't work and that look as though they were inherited from sighted ancestors?

To test our faith, you damnable heathen!

This is easy to explain: the salamander is the tool of the devil.

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Izzard has more energy and dresses better.

Nah, he's not doing drag these days.

re: #16 Killgore Trout

I can remember when Hitchens dressed a lot better, it's true.

Oh, dear! Does that make me old?

Hitch, like Condell, also stinks on Israel. What's with these guys?

Why do males have nipples?

My favorite extinct animal is the giant beaver . They lived not too far from here about 10,000 years ago. Although rumor has it there are still some hanging out in Toledo.

re: #25 KSK

Why do males have nipples?

it's a tease

By the way, I also recommend the BBC Planet Earth documentary. I have the Blu-ray version and it’s one of the best films of its type ever made.

The footage is spectacular and the breadth of coverage is very good. The depth of coverage, however, has much to be desired. I always felt like I wanted more information.

Tho I like Hitchens alot, but I've always felt uncomfortable with his militant atheism. On the other hand, he's right about this. Those Christians who need to deny science in order to maintain their faith are weak and fuzzy-minded, unable to grasp different levels of understanding. Science is not a religion and doesn't pretend to be. Can't they get that through their thick heads?

re: #23 Dianna

Even in his prime he was no match for the stylish Eddie Izzard

re: #24 Killgore Trout

He doesn't stink of Israel - he stinks on the basis of Israel. He states that Israel is founded on a myth; however, it's the only functioning democratic state in the entire middle east, and deserves support on that basis alone.

re: #19 Dianna
I guess, never been to the Shetland Islands. Small ecology. Big critters would die.

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Hitch, like Condell, also stinks on Israel. What's with these guys?

Hitch has had occasional flashes of lucidity about Israel, which I keep waiting to coalesce into a more coherent anti-idiotarianism on the subject. But, well, he's taking his time.

re: #25 KSK

Why Do Men Have Nipples?
That question comes up a lot on these threads.

re: #25 KSK

Why do males have nipples?

In short- because for a time, we are all female in the womb. Men retain the nipples they form as female embryos before turning male. Also- men can produce milk and get breast cancer.

re: #30 Killgore Trout

You're right.

Somehow, I can't picture Hitch in feathers.

re: #25 KSK
So your wife, girl friend have something else to play with!

#27 HoosierHoops
How considerate of God but he could have thought of long distance runners who find them plain annoying

re: #24 Killgore Trout

Well I'm guessing their views on Israel stem from their common belief there is no God.

re: #14 coquimbojoe

There is some of that, but it is generally an amazing work. The kids love it.

I'll have to reconsider, skip that part. I get so annoyed watching NG, Nature, or any of the other nature programs. Absolutely ZERO critical thinking on GW. The slip it into anything and everything.

re: #25 KSK

Why do males have nipples?

Global warming.

re: #34 Killgore Trout

Why Do Men Have Nipples?
That question comes up a lot on these threads.

It's an interesting question, imo, but one that can be easily answered if they'd pose the question to their search engine instead of here.

re: #20 Occasional Reader

To test our faith, you damnable heathen!

Like a whole bunch of angels are sitting around heaven, bored, and decide to create a new game, "Earth" where all the answers are immediately and intuitively transparent to all. Gotta shake the game up.

Ojoe 7/17/2008 7:07:59 pm PDT
Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, recently restated his (and Pope John Paul's) argument. As MSNBC reported, Pope Benedict has referred to the debate between creationists and supporters of evolutionary theory as an "absurdity":
"They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other," the pope said. "This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such."
On the other hand, there are certain questions that evolutionary theory can never answer: "Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, 'Where does everything come from?'" Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

Link

Thanks for being on this issue Charles, it is a dangerous one. There are some anti-freedom forces here.

re: #40 Mich-again

If that were the case then I'd agree with them. There's a very real and practical argument for Israel that they don't accept.

We'll never make it to the moon.

re: #18 Mich-again

I've got some bad news for you buddy.

The "anti-Darwinism" allele we suffer from (at some yet unidentified loci) has pleiotropic effects. Not only do we scoff at Darwinian evolution, we tend to reproduce.

re: #25 KSK

Why do males have nipples?

To set the pecking order of males in a family unit.
(Tittie twisters show dominance)

re: #25 KSK

Why do males have nipples?

Did Adam and Eve have navels? And who exactly were the parents of their grandchildren?

Methinks that the carnal knowledge of good and evil was transpiring in the biblical sense...;~)

They sure had no problems 'keeping it in the family', as supposedly, there wasn't anybody alive OUTSIDE it...they had a family tree that resembled bamboo...hehe...

But seriously, folks, all of these bad-taste jokes merely illustrate one of the many reasons that I have major problems with Genesis literalism.

re: #42 Occasional Reader

Global warming.

ROFLMAO!
*submits IT request for new keyboard, this one just shorted out*

re: #39 KSK

#27 HoosierHoops
How considerate of God but he could have thought of long distance runners who find them plain annoying

lol
Leave it to God to annoy us...Can he do anything right?
/heh

re: #39 KSK

#27 HoosierHoops
How considerate of God but he could have thought of long distance runners who find them plain annoying

They do? Why?

Condell and Hitchens don't like Israel? Well crap. Didn't know that.

I'm getting a little tired of all this evolution/ID bs. Hitchens provides another example of solid evolutionary argument. Fish live in caves. There's no light in caves. Ergo, fish don't really need vision to locate food, mating places, etc.. They fine tune their other senses. Moles live underground, Do they need 20/20 vision?
Whether you believe God created the universe is your biz. I don't think that man was/is capable of dealing with the facts. I see the Bible as a explanation to man of an infinite reality which we cannot comprehend.
Evolution explains the means, not The Cause. If this pisses off both camps, fine, I can live with it.
I have more faith in God and my faith than to think that God runs the world on a railroad schedule.

Rant off.

Humans are almost programmed to think in terms of progress and of gradual yet upward curves, even when confronted with evidence that the past includes as many great dyings out of species as it does examples of the burgeoning of them.

I think Hitch raises a good point here- we do tend to think in terms such that evolution would be progress and not the other way around.

re: #47 bosforus

We'll never make it to the moon.

Why do Orion Slave Girls have nipples?

Octopus eyes and human eyes - convergent evolution.

Includes pics of Violet the octopus.

(Wow - I'm linking to a Kos diary)

re: #41 jcm

I'll have to reconsider, skip that part. I get so annoyed watching NG, Nature, or any of the other nature programs. Absolutely ZERO critical thinking on GW. The slip it into anything and everything.

I get to sit there and straighten the kids out. I didn't find there to be a huge amount of propaganda. There is some on the commentary on the dvds. Its easily aviodable.

re: #27 HoosierHoops

Something to pierce, hang onto or place electrodes on?

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Why do Orion Slave Girls have nipples?

That's easy. So that James T Kirk can [CENSORED]

re: #58 Catttt

He sure looks happy in that bowl.

re: #50 Salamantis

Did Adam and Eve have navels? And who exactly were the parents of their grandchildren?

Also: On the "Flight to Egypt", who flew the plane?

(The answer, of course: Pontius Pilot)

re: #57 Occasional Reader

Why do Orion Slave Girls have nipples?

Distraction.

re: #54 pingjockey

I don't really know about Pat. I know that Hitchens statements on the matter aren't as cut-and-dried as all that.

As long as Hitchens doesn't try to assert that this "proves" atheism, his opinion is fine with me. And unfortunately for him, proving creationists wrong about evolution doesn't prove him right about religious matters.

re: #46 Killgore Trout

There's a very real and practical argument for Israel that they don't accept.

No doubt there is a very real and practical argument for Israel. Millions of reasons.

re: #57 Occasional Reader
So they'd have someplace to put the nipple rings you Denebian slime debil you!

re: #62 Killgore Trout

He sure looks happy in that bowl.

The diarist says she gets bored easily (octopuses are smart), so he gives her new stuff to interact with in her acquarium.

She sticks her eyes up on stalks if she knows you - flattens them down if you are a stranger.

Yep Planet Earth rocked, I have it as well.

OT: Preston Reed vid in spinoffs.

re: #29 Phocid

Tho I like Hitchens alot, but I've always felt uncomfortable with his militant atheism. On the other hand, he's right about this. Those Christians who need to deny science in order to maintain their faith are weak and fuzzy-minded, unable to grasp different levels of understanding. Science is not a religion and doesn't pretend to be. Can't they get that through their thick heads?

Not just Christians, BTW.

re: #65 Dianna
Ok. Hitchens may go off the rails at times about religion but I didn't think he was a anti-Israel nut.

It is interesting how Darwinist always use absence of evidence (e.g., missing eyes) to defend a theory that supposedly explains all of biology but yet always seems to be on the defensive.

Is David Attenborough saying that a gekko has evolved to the point where he can save you hundreds on car insurance? Surely God must have had a hand in that.

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Blinded by the Light.

Wouldn't "Blinded by the Dark" be more accurate? (There's probably no such song, though, but I haven't checked)

re: #7 SFGoth

The irony is, as scary as it is, that there are plenty of Christians in this country willing to make common cause with Muslims just to get at atheists -- we know how a similar alliance turned out in Iran when student commies joined student Muslims to overthrow the monarchy. Are there any commies left in Iran? Don't triangulate, evolve.

I think you overstate. "Plenty" doesn't match reality unless you count handfuls with large amounts of cash as Plenty.

The fringers who are pushing this aren't your average Christian, they are a small minority with inordinate presence, sorta like the "Code Pink" of Christianity.

re: #56 Sharmuta

I think Hitch raises a good point here- we do tend to think in terms such that evolution would be progress and not the other way around.

Evolution has shown some dead ends. Hell, I'd ask a neaderthal about it, but haven't seen one lately.

re: #73 George Slivers
Oh for cryin' out loud. The fish, salamanders, etc...that live in the caves at one time had eyes. Over time those eyes have went away. What part of that don't you get? Ya know what, never mind.

re: #77 grumpy old codger

Yes- that's Hitch's point.

Yeah, sure, Planet Earth is fine, but it doesn't begin to touch the scientific proficiency of similarly-named The Late, Great Planet Earth. For instance: Did you know that the world ended in 1988? See, that's the kind of hard-hitting science stuff that you're not getting from all that so-called "peer reviewed" hogwash.

re: #73 George Slivers

Did you actually read the article?

re: #73 George Slivers

It is interesting how Darwinist always use absence of evidence (e.g., missing eyes) to defend a theory that supposedly explains all of biology but yet always seems to be on the defensive.

What about alla that presence of evidence? Transitional forms, e. coli in a lab that we can watch evolve at will, artifactual retroviral DNA, a common genetic code, etc., etc., ad nauseum ad infinitum...

If you've missed alla this stuff, have you even spotted your own nipples and navel yet?

re: #25 KSK

SO TRANNIES CAN HAVE FAKE TITS?

re: #83 yochanan
Mwahahahahaha!

re: #73 George Slivers

It is interesting how Darwinist always use absence of evidence (e.g., missing eyes) to defend a theory that supposedly explains all of biology but yet always seems to be on the defensive.

It's actually something of an accomplishment to be so wrong, about so many things, in so few words. Bravo.

re: #76 Thanos

I think you overstate. "Plenty" doesn't match reality unless you count handfuls with large amounts of cash as Plenty.

The fringers who are pushing this aren't your average Christian, they are a small minority with inordinate presence, sorta like the "Code Pink" of Christianity.

Old, fat, and ugly?

re: #59 coquimbojoe

I get to sit there and straighten the kids out. I didn't find there to be a huge amount of propaganda. There is some on the commentary on the dvds. Its easily aviodable.

Thanks, I'll take a closer look.

re: #84 pingjockey

i really should remember the IRON FIST RULE AND CHIMAY ALE.

re: #79 Sharmuta

Agreed. Can we now move on to the fascist, communistic type tendencies inherent in Obama's desire to creat his own Cultural Revolution or Great Leap Forward? Civilian service corps, equal to the military? Sounds like Sturmtruppen to me. Can't criticize the leader? Sounds like Stalinism.
What's next Lysenko-ism?

re: #88 yochanan
Nah! What fun would that be?!

Belief Growing That Reporters are Trying to Help Obama Win

[Link: www.rasmussenreports.com...]

um....duh.

I've used this same argument about cave dwelling animals myself with great success. The gradual loss of sight and pigmentation is hard for a creationist to get around. I think it's the best way to explain evolution.

I'm off - take care.

And anyone who wants to come to the July 26th gathering in San Jose needs to let me know soon!

re: #90 pingjockey

AT LEAST I DID NOT POST PHOTOS

re: #89 grumpy old codger
I really just about had a fit with the 'citizen police' thing. Sounds very ominous.

grumpy old codger

You'd find plenty of neanderthals east of Jerusalem

re: #48 George Slivers

I've got some bad news for you buddy... Not only do we scoff at Darwinian evolution, we tend to reproduce.

Yes, but I have news for you. Kids are usually smarter than their parents!

re: #20 Occasional Reader

To test our faith, you damnable heathen!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

re: #94 yochanan
That was very kind.

re: #93 Dianna

I'm off - take care.

And anyone who wants to come to the July 26th gathering in San Jose needs to let me know soon!

I don't know the way to San Jose (lalala, lalalalalala)

re: #96 KSK
Don't insult neanderthals. They did have art.

re: #99 pingjockey

Some are better looking than real women

DUCKS and hids under the rock

re: #9 SFGoth

You saw Eddie Izzard? Live?

re: #73 George Slivers

It is interesting how Darwinist always use absence of evidence (e.g., missing eyes) to defend a theory that supposedly explains all of biology but yet always seems to be on the defensive.

It's amazing how oft creationists exagerate ... "always" is a bit sweeping don't you think?

re: #102 yochanan
I ain't gonna ask!

re: #11 pingjockey

The elephants were the size of goats. Forgot that point. They found some mammoth fossils off of Siberia on an island and showed the same devolution.

That would be ''Wrangel Island'', also known by its Russian name ostrov Vrangelya.

Rather amazingly, the so-called "dwarf mammoths" didn't die out on the island until about 1700 BC -- at which time human beings in other parts of the world were already keeping written histories, although none of the literate civilizations of that era are known to have ever made it to Wrangel Island to make a record of the mammoths.

On the other hand, there's a possibility that non-literate Siberian hunters did manage to reach Wrangel Island by around 1700 BC, just in time to see the last mammoths on Earth before they went extinct. But so far, no clear evidence has been found (e.g., in the form of mammoth bones with spear or knife damage, or human toothmarks) that humans actually hunted the Wrangel mammoths. All we know for sure is that the human presence on Wrangel may have overlapped just a bit with the end of the mammoth era -- though it could also be the case that the mammoths died out shortly before humans reached Wrangel.

re: #96 KSK

grumpy old codger

You'd find plenty of neanderthals east of Jerusalem

Sir, you have insulted Neanderthals. East of J'lem, maybe pond scum.

re: #82 Salamantis

Undirected random mutation and natural selection has never been observed to evolve eyes. I'll grant you losing eyes is possible, but loss of function mutations are boring. Showing E-coli can now metabolize citrate in aerobic conditions (they always could do in anaerobic conditions). Is boring.

You fundys let me know when you finally find real evidence to defend your darwinian dogma.

re: #101 pingjockey

Don't insult neanderthals. They did have art.

I wanna see Clint Eastwood star in a prehistoric detective action thriller. He can call it Cro-Magnon Force!

t boone pickens must have bought into alterative energy stock
a sucker and his money

sounds like the 3 card monty game in NU YAWK

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You saw Eddie Izzard? Live?

Umm, yeah, well, pay $45 for nose bleed seats and there you are. It's not like seeing Lenny Bruce live (these days). Only other famous comedian I've seen live is Margaret Cho, who does a really good old Korean woman (beginning to verge on self-parody here), but is otherwise ok. I'd loved to have seen Steven Wright in his prime.

Very coherent and interesting reading! Saved!
And, yes, the BBC Planet Earth series are a real joy to watch. Here is a list and short description of the series. It's very informative and well-produced.

re: #86 SFGoth

Old, fat, and ugly?

Well I'm not sure of that but mostly they tie back to one political institution, Discovery Institute.

re: #73 George Slivers

It is interesting how Darwinist always use absence of evidence (e.g., missing eyes) to defend a theory that supposedly explains all of biology but yet always seems to be on the defensive.

The eyes are not "missing" in a blind salamander. They have vestigial eyes.

Vestigial: Pertaining to the part of an animal that is in the process of being lost in the course of evolution and is small, imperfectly formed, and serves little or no function.

To quote Richard Dawkins from the article:

Vestigial eyes, for example, are clear evidence that these cave salamanders must have had ancestors who were different from them—had eyes, in this case. That is evolution. Why on earth would God create a salamander with vestiges of eyes? If he wanted to create blind salamanders, why not just create blind salamanders? Why give them dummy eyes that don't work and that look as though they were inherited from sighted ancestors? Maybe your point is a little different from this, in which case I don't think I have seen it written down before.

re: #106 Throbert McGee
Cool, thank you.

real leftist heads are exploding obama supports imperalism in afganistan.

re: #104 Thanos

Its amazing how Darwinists always point out how it's amazing how oft creationists exagerate

re: #109 Salamantis
Hahahahahaha!

how about chimay ale and darwinism?

My apologies to the Neanderthals

re: #116 yochanan

real leftist heads are exploding obama supports imperalism in afganistan.

The Man Who Would Be King

re: #117 George Slivers

Its amazing how Darwinists always point out how it's amazing how oft creationists exagerate

Irony is lost on you, huh?

<... tired troll alert ...>

re: #103 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #111 SFGoth

I saw David Spade and Jay Mohr live years ago. Spade was the headliner and was so drunk/impaired he could barely speak. The audience was pissed. Mohr came on and saved the show -- he really was funny as hell.

charles?

re: #123 Charles

<... tired troll alert ...>

IMPORTANT...

JOHN MCCAIN'S OP ED REJECTED BY NYT...

LAST WEEK PRINTED BHO'S.

re: #108 George Slivers

Undirected random mutation and natural selection has never been observed to evolve eyes. I'll grant you losing eyes is possible, but loss of function mutations are boring. Showing E-coli can now metabolize citrate in aerobic conditions (they always could do in anaerobic conditions). Is boring.

You fundys let me know when you finally find real evidence to defend your darwinian dogma.

The study showing the disappearance of certain types of moths in London (i.e., a change in their color) noted during the 19th century, when coal was the primary source of heat, may prove the point that things change. With the decline in the use of coal and the improvements of air quality in London, the the moth reappeared during the 1990's (?). But again, evolution shows the means, not The Cause and, short of the Second Coming, we may never know.

re: #117 George Slivers

So do you reject all of the science pertaining to evolution or just parts of it.

That was a test of something. (In case you were wondering.)

re: #109 Salamantis

I wanna see Clint Eastwood star in a prehistoric detective action thriller. He can call it Cro-Magnon Force!

Heh.

It should include a scene in which the prehistoric crime overlord is tucking into an elegant dinner of filet magnon.

re: #124 christheprofessor

MOHR IS A HOOT!

re: #130 Charles

i was

re: #108 George Slivers
So all across the planet, in caves far and wide, all the critters whose eyes have went away are mutations? Mutations are not planet/species wide.

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

IMPORTANT...

JOHN MCCAIN'S OP ED REJECTED BY NYT...

LAST WEEK PRINTED BHO'S.

There was a thread about this earlier today.

re: #106 Throbert McGee

That would be ''Wrangel Island'', also known by its Russian name ostrov Vrangelya.

Rather amazingly, the so-called "dwarf mammoths" didn't die out on the island until about 1700 BC -- at which time human beings in other parts of the world were already keeping written histories, although none of the literate civilizations of that era are known to have ever made it to Wrangel Island to make a record of the mammoths.

On the other hand, there's a possibility that non-literate Siberian hunters did manage to reach Wrangel Island by around 1700 BC, just in time to see the last mammoths on Earth before they went extinct. But so far, no clear evidence has been found (e.g., in the form of mammoth bones with spear or knife damage, or human toothmarks) that humans actually hunted the Wrangel mammoths. All we know for sure is that the human presence on Wrangel may have overlapped just a bit with the end of the mammoth era -- though it could also be the case that the mammoths died out shortly before humans reached Wrangel.

There's still a couple or more surviving ice age species around.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know.

Of course I already know that both sides in this discussion could grasp upon that phrase, but rhetoric won't change the facts as we know them, any fool can see that is true.

re: #124 christheprofessor

Best live comedian I ever saw was Richard Jeni.

re: #127 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
See previous thread.

re: #135 Occasional Reader

Thanks. My bad.

Short story along the same lines: Some years back I became involved in a project for refurbishing an enormous underground water reservoir for a certain unnamed city. The city was losing millions of gallons of water a day through leakage of the old (1890's?) concrete structure (much $). While inspecting the nearly drawn down tank, in hip waders, I came across some albino fish that were obviously blind with eyes closed over. My guide asked me to please not say a word about these critters as the whole project would surely come to a halt. Who knows, instead of desperately needed drinking water the city may have just commissioned an unwanted endangered species aquatic preserve?

I never said a word. Made a nice sale. Have always wondered if those whitefish tasted like whitefish? Mmmmmm.....

re: #108 George Slivers

So your standard now is that you only accept evidence that doesn't "bore" you. Well, that sounds intellectually honest, I guess.

re: #114 Catttt

re: #126 Charles

I suppose I am going to "get expelled" Gee how original. Can you ever question Darwinism and not be called a "troll"

re: #108 George Slivers

As a favor to you I would recommend that you step back and examine some ID threads that have occcurred in the past. Also labeling lizards as "fundys" is bad form and will lead to unpleasantness.

Just a friendly heads-up. :>

re: #86 SFGoth

Old, fat, and ugly?

actually now that I think on it, one of them is a young blonde bomb thrower...

re: #102 yochanan

Some are better looking than real women

DUCKS and hids under the rock

lol
The hoopster thinks there is nothing more delightful to look at than
a beautiful woman... And i don't care who disagrees..
/ i really don't...now there is evolutionary change we can believe in.

on iran obama believes in a carrot and a wet noodle.

re: #108 George Slivers

Undirected random mutation and natural selection has never been observed to evolve eyes.

Ahh...the 'You Weren't There' defence. But the fact is that every one of those transitional eye forms, from light-sensitive cells in flatworms all the way up to our own peepers, is found in nature.

I'll grant you losing eyes is possible, but loss of function mutations are boring. Showing E-coli can now metabolize citrate in aerobic conditions (they always could do in anaerobic conditions). Is boring.

Truth and proof...are boring.

You fundys let me know when you finally find real evidence to defend your darwinian dogma.

Now there's a shining, sterling example of turnspeak! Someone who accepts the untestable, for which no evidence whatsoever exists, on sheer faith, is actually calling that which is testable, and for which a tsunami of evidence exists, dogma, and those who accept that evidence fundies.

Unbelievable!

But then again, so is calling ID science. Or saying that evolutionary theory is not.

re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Best live comedian I ever saw was Richard Jeni.

Never saw him live. Great comedian. Damn shame he offedh himself.

Arg. Sliver me timbres, he's back, lads.
/ talk like a pirate troll alert

re: #145 Thanos

trannie or female?

re: #143 George Slivers
How do you know the tests were aimed at you? Maybe it is for someone else?

re: #129 Mich-again

I accept evolution in terms of change over time or microevolution. I use it all the time in my genetic epidemiology research.

I don't accept the unfounded claims of abiogenesis or common descent becuase they lack scientific rigor.

re: #153 George Slivers

Explain retroviral DNA.

re: #146 HoosierHoops

The hoopster thinks there is nothing more delightful to look at than
a beautiful woman

You Yankees are so silly
in matters of the heart
Don't you know that women
are the only works of art?

-"Driving With Your Eyes Closed", Don Henley

re: #117 George Slivers

Its amazing how Darwinists always point out how it's amazing how oft creationists exagerate

Yes, but you didn't answer the question did you?

Isn't "always" excessive? I mean we have brought up the Lenski study and many many many other things. What have you brought up for proof of ID? Anything? Anything at all?

re: #117 George Slivers

Its amazing how Darwinists always point out how it's amazing how oft creationists exagerate

They don't just exaggerate; they flat-out lie. But that's okay; it's all in the service of their Lord...;~)

/

re: #130 Charles

That was a test of something. (In case you were wondering.)

Beeeeeeep! Beeeeeeep! Beeeep! Beeeep! Beeeep!

This has been a test of the troll warning system.
Had this been an actual warning
YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD A THUMPP! as the ban-stick was implemented.

This completes this test of the troll warning system.

I.D. a subject i use to induce sleep on sleepless nights.

George Slivers: I wanted you to know I was so inspired by your donation of $1000 to the Discovery Institute that I whipped out the ol' checkbook and sent
$27 trillion to the Institute for Infidel Darwinistic Brainwashing of All Children.

Thanks for leading the way.

re: #121 Occasional Reader

The Man Who Would Be King

That is my favorite movie

re: #95 pingjockey

I really just about had a fit with the 'citizen police' thing. Sounds very ominous.

Just sing the
Internationale or practice your "Today Obama, tomorrow the world" and hope for change.

re: #152 pingjockey

re: #156 Thanos

ID like macroevolution is more of a metatheory. The existing data in the literature is adequate to favor ID over undirected evolution.

Embryology is another glaring example. While it is not strictly true that ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny (Ernst Haeckel), it IS true that the formation of the human head and neck involves the appearance of gill arches, arterial supplies, and many other structures similar to those found in fish, that then undergo extensive modification and even elimination to achieve the adult form. What possible sense does this make for intelligent design? It was completely unknown until 150 years ago. It results in numerous congenital malformations ranging from cysts in the neck derived from gill arches to improperly developed heart. And it involves bizarre arrnagements like the recurrent laryngeal nerve, a structure that dives down into the chest and then loops back up into the neck where it came from, due to these embryological rearrangements.

Any "intelligent designer" would simply create the adult structures in logical order and grow a tiny perfectly formed human. How to explain this other than evolutionary derivation from earlier forms?

OT -

If anyone here might have thought that FARK readers were anything but koolaide drinkers, checkout this thread over there on the LGF posting of the NYT refusing to accept McCain's oped.

It is a mass rationalization session.

These are people who consider themselves part of the technocracy that should be running everything.

re: #162 grumpy old codger
Gaaaah! I have this vision of little robot obambis.

re: #160 Charles

i would rather donate $10 to the chimay ale fund.

re: #95 pingjockey

I really just about had a fit with the 'citizen police' thing. Sounds very ominous.

LGF is more or less split between those who found it ominous, and those who found in laughable. I'm in the latter camp. I think Barry was just talking out of his ass, repeating feel-good buzzwords without any real idea what he was saying.

re: #153 George Slivers

I don't accept the unfounded claims of abiogenesis or common descent becuase they lack scientific rigor.

There are lots of theories about abiogenesis. None are very convincing to me.

re: #160 Charles

Well Charles, I'm sure your site doesn't bring in that much income, so these must be Zimbabwe banknotes you donated.

re: #153 George Slivers
In honor of today being the 63rd anniversary of the conviction of that evil evolution teaching John Scopes, are you doing anything special tonight?

George, do you have anything that demonstrates your theory that isn't just another lieing cheap shot at Evolution?

I can be convinced by facts, I changed a blog post two days ago when I was shown to be incorrect (thanks again Transient).

re: #163 George Slivers

The existing data in the literature is adequate to favor ID over undirected evolution.

And which "literature" would that be?

re: #130 Charles

Put the ban stick on automatic fire, no need for "one shot, one kill" in a target rich environment.

Izzard did have several obligatory "vote for Barack" moments. Really, what did you expect. I find most political humor by comedians to be boring. How much talent does it take to make fun of George Bush? It's like bashing ID (;->, had to bring it back to the thread).

re: #163 George Slivers

re: #156 Thanos

ID like macroevolution is more of a metatheory. The existing data in the literature is adequate to favor ID over undirected evolution.

More sweeping statements and talking points. You got proof George?

re: #170 George Slivers

the z. notes can't even buy a bottle of chimay ale.

re: #177 yochanan

the z. notes can't even buy a bottle of chimay ale.

Not even a 100 billion of them?

re: #160 Charles

George Slivers: I wanted you to know I was so inspired by your donation of $1000 to the Discovery Institute that I whipped out the ol' checkbook and sent
$27 trillion to the Institute for Infidel Darwinistic Brainwashing of All Children.

Thanks for leading the way.

yea..I want to see the canceled check for 1000 bucks..
Upon that, i will donate 26 1/2 trillion to the brainwashing institute..

re: #143 George Slivers

re: #126 Charles

I suppose I am going to "get expelled" Gee how original. Can you ever question Darwinism and not be called a "troll"

Not when you utterly fail to do so in a logical, empirical, rational, reasonable, coherent or cogent manner.

re: #163 George Slivers
WTF are you talking about? What literature?

re: #164 dentate

There's also the change in excretory system that mirrors evolution.

re: #171 EC Marm

Interestingly, the Scopes trial was about the right of evolution to be taught in school.

Now, if only Darwinists could allow alternative theories or at least criticism of their theory to be taught.

re: #164 dentate

the appearance of gill arches, arterial supplies, and many other structures similar to those found in fish, that then undergo extensive modification and even elimination to achieve the adult form. What possible sense does this make for intelligent design?

Non-functional gills, you say? Ha! I got your intelligent design evidence right here.

Explain that, Science Boy (or Girl)!

re: #181 pingjockey

WTF are you talking about? What literature?

I'm going to take a wild guess that it's creationist literature.

on the ban stick i think long term lizards should get a time out were hatchlings and trolls a different story.

a veration on the IRON FIST RULE

re: #170 George Slivers

Well Charles, I'm sure your site doesn't bring in that much income, so these must be Zimbabwe banknotes you donated.

/did you have to reply with an insult?

Explain the coccyx. /hums Jeopardy theme

re: #167 yochanan

i would rather donate $10 to the chimay ale fund.

Yoch, send me the $10, I'll see that's it's well spent.

re: #187 HoosierHoops

A little sensitive are we?

re: #190 George Slivers

You related to a Brinks?

re: #175 SFGoth

I don't watch TV, but I saw CNN in the airport the other day. Their "funny guy" was someone named ... Stewart? I forget. They ran one or two sentences of him comparing President Bush and the Fed chairman which were not only not funny, but stupid. It was clearly just a desire on CNN's part to run some slap at W, no matter how void of talent or wit. Is this what passes for political satire these days, on the Left? Lo, how the mighty have fallen.

re: #143 George Slivers

re: #126 Charles

I suppose I am going to "get expelled" Gee how original. Can you ever question Darwinism and not be called a "troll"

Yes.... use science and physics, not faith and metaphysics.

re: #185 Sharmuta
Probably. What in hell is undirected evolution? Or even directed evolution? I get the best male passes on its genes, or a survival trait, but directed and undirected? By whom or what?

re: #187 HoosierHoops

does the wheel barrel come with the z. notes?

re: #101 pingjockey

Don't insult neanderthals. They did have art.

Are you sure of that? It was my impression that the oldest known representational art -- i.e., art that looks like a person or an animal or a tree or whatever -- appeared at the same time as the "anatomically modern" humans we call Cro-Magnons.

Neanderthal tools have been found with abstract/geometric markings, and SOME anthropologists have interpreted these marks as having no utilitarian function -- which is to say that the marks are purely decorative, and hence a form of art. But other scholars have said that these apparent designs on Neanderthal tools may have served a practical purpose, and possibly weren't intended to "prettify" the tools in any way. Obviously, only the Neanderthals themselves knew for sure why they did it!

re: #188 Catttt

Explain the coccyx. /hums Jeopardy theme

What the hell else are you going to sit on?
Turtles?
/ ;-P

re: #168 Occasional Reader

OR, you're probably right, at least I hope so. It's just that I get a little concerned when i think about how some members of the German political and economic circles blew off that self promoting corporal from austria.

re: #183 George Slivers

Interestingly, the Scopes trial was about the right of evolution to be taught in school.

Now, if only Darwinists could allow alternative theories or at least criticism of their theory to be taught.

We do, just not as science because Discovery Institute's version of ID isn't science, and has been totally thrashed.
We don't allow bermuda triangle theories or seance seminars in Science class either.

re: #183 George Slivers

Now, if only Darwinists could allow alternative theories or at least criticism of their theory to be taught.

Gee- why do I get the feeling your idea of teaching alternate theories is really just religion posing as pseudo-science?

re: #183 George Slivers

Only scientific criticism is allowed. Sorry.

re: #196 Throbert McGee
My bad. You are correct. I was thinking of those wonderful cave paintings.

re: #197 jcm

POST TURTLE?

Christopher Hitchens makes a very weak and logically flawed argument. He sets it up by first making rules for his opponents' theory and then making the unfounded assertion that they necessarily believe the rules he just made up.

Who does Christopher Hitchens think invented adaptation?

re: #184 Occasional Reader

Heh. I was gonna go with this...

#183 George Slivers

Well I'm not a genetic epidemiologist who publishes about five 1st author manuscripts a year and in fact I'm pretty much dumb as dirt, as most here will attest, so I can't think of a reply.

Only when you need to buy some ice cream... they just introduced 100 billion notes.

Hey but Germany had trillion notes in 1923... way to go.

re: #183 George Slivers

Interestingly, the Scopes trial was about the right of evolution to be taught in school.

Now, if only Darwinists could allow alternative theories or at least criticism of their theory to be taught.

Yes - the Scientologist version should be taught. It certainly would fit your definition of a "competing theory."

DOING MY BEST TO IGNORE I.D.

re: #153 George Slivers

I accept evolution in terms of change over time or microevolution. I use it all the time in my genetic epidemiology research.

I don't accept the unfounded claims of abiogenesis or common descent becuase they lack scientific rigor.

Then you obviously didn't comprehend the common descent ramifications of the article that Charles posted on artifactual retroviral DNA.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Lemme repost those for you...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Excerpt:

I'm sorry if this sounds condescending, but you just don't seem to understand what artifactual retroviral DNA sequences are, and what they mean. The clues are in the words themselves; these sequences are artifacts that were left by retroviruses. In other words, their sources were external to the organism, not internal; they were inserted into the genomes when viruses infected the organisms to whom the genomes belonged, and sneaked them in there.

There are thousands of these identical infection-caused sequences that are shared by humans and grreat apes, and they occur in the identical locations in both great ape and human DNA. If great apes and humans did not share common ancestors who got infected with these sequence-leaving bugs, that would have to mean that over the course of millions of years, both the great apes and humans got infected with the same diseases, at the same times, thousands of times over, and within a time frame in which we can find neither human fossils nor great ape fossils (the reason we can't find either of them is because neither of them existed at the time; only those common ancestors from which humans and great apes diverged, who were busy getting occasionally infected with retroviruses during all that time). That's what I meant when I stated that the odds were vanishingly small; because the chances of all those identical artifactual retroviral sequences being there, in identical locations in these different genomes, is indeed vanishingly small - unless great apes and humans shared common ancestors. And yet all of those identical retroviral sequences are indeed there, in identical locations in both human and great ape genomes. And this simple, irrefutable fact can be checked at will.

throbert

Obviously, only the Neanderthals themselves knew for sure why they did it!

No representational art? Maybe they were Muslim.

Wrong again Hitchens and Charles!

Creationists have absolutely no problem with devolution and never have - it's part of the effects of the Fall, you are so anxious to escape, and a widely observed natural phenomenon (for example in the fabulous but sadly degenerating peacock's tail -and quite consistent with the second law of thermodynamics (for once)).

You only have to look at your old bike Charles to see devolution in action! It's a bit like the comments in this thread sadly, I've never seen LGF in such bad shape.

re: #50 Salamantis

Did Adam and Eve have navels? And who exactly were the parents of their grandchildren?

Well that's a headscratcher! God is the grandad?

Methinks that the carnal knowledge of good and evil was transpiring in the biblical sense...;~)

They sure had no problems 'keeping it in the family', as supposedly, there wasn't anybody alive OUTSIDE it...they had a family tree that resembled bamboo...hehe...

Probably more like a bush! Adam and Eve had many, many children, not just Cain and Abel.

Actually, tho, Eve wasn't the first woman. That would be Lilith. Poor, evil Lilith. Got a bad rap cause she wanted to be on top..... But anyhoo that would be the first marriage. And the first divorce!

But seriously, folks, all of these bad-taste jokes merely illustrate one of the many reasons that I have major problems with Genesis literalism.

S'ok. I still love ya, ya heathen. lol

re: #196 Throbert McGee

Are you sure of that?

Absolutely. Fossilized remains have been found of Neanderthal excrement. And as we all know (because today, we are modern, and lucky), excrement is art.

I think this picture of Katie Holmes supports evolution (looking sexy, but I kind of like heavy makeup (see, goth)) and her being with Tom Cruise sure puts the damper on intelligent design.
[Link: news.aol.com...]

re: #207 KSK
WHATS A FEW ZERO'S?

re: #190 George Slivers

A little sensitive are we?

no bro..I'm not at all sensitive.. I like blogging about alot of different things and can disagree without being insulting..
This is a hot topic i know..i generally steer clear..
But i don't think charles would ( and i'm not speaking for him) ban you if you didn't insult people or break the rules..

Also my friend.. I still spank my oldest son at 6'3 250 lbs in the paint.
I trash talk him..I'll trash talk you..But let's not do that stuff.
/ i am so sensitive..hehehe
Regards George
-the hoopster

re: #183 George Slivers

How about Pat Condell's competing theory? May we teach that?

Is it just me or has there been an extra helping of folks who, having been quiescent for 1-4 years, now suddenly feel the need to pick fights?

re: #204 landlines

Christopher Hitchens makes a very weak and logically flawed argument. He sets it up by first making rules for his opponents' theory and then making the unfounded assertion that they necessarily believe the rules he just made up.
Who does Christopher Hitchens think invented adaptation?

sounds like the handbook democrats want to use whenever challenged to a debate!

re: #209 yochanan

DOING MY BEST TO IGNORE I.D.

DOING MY BEST TO IGNORE E/ I.D. DEBATES

re: #205 christheprofessor
Christ, how's the new pooch working out? Haven't heard much lately.

re: #204 landlines

Why would god create a creature with vestigial eyes? Because he wanted to?

re: #206 EC Marm
If he publishes these manuscripts why can't I find them on Google?

re: #218 Sharmuta

AT LEAST HE DOESN'T MAKE A RELGION OUT OF IT AND DOES SEE ISLAM AS A PROBLEM. NOT. P.C.

Just a reminder of how Patriots feel about the United States of America:

July the 14th, 1861
Washington DC

My very dear Sarah:

The indications are very strong that we shall move in a few days - perhaps tomorrow. Lest I should not be able to write you again, I feel impelled to write lines that may fall under your eye when I shall be no more.

Our movement may be one of a few days duration and full of pleasure - and it may be one of severe conflict and death to me. Not my will, but thine 0 God, be done. If it is necessary that I should fall on the battlefield for my country, I am ready. I have no misgivings about, or lack of confidence in, the cause in which I am engaged, and my courage does not halt or falter. I know how strongly American Civilization now leans upon the triumph of the Government, and how great a debt we owe to those who went before us through the blood and suffering of the Revolution. And I am willing - perfectly willing - to lay down all my joys in this life, to help maintain this Government, and to pay that debt.

But, my dear wife, when I know that with my own joys I lay down nearly all of yours, and replace them in this life with cares and sorrows - when, after having eaten for long years the bitter fruit of orphanage myself, I must offer it as their only sustenance to my dear little children - is it weak or dishonorable, while the banner of my purpose floats calmly and proudly in the breeze, that my unbounded love for you, my darling wife and children, should struggle in fierce, though useless, contest with my love of country?

I cannot describe to you my feelings on this calm summer night, when two thousand men are sleeping around me, many of them enjoying the last, perhaps, before that of death -- and I, suspicious that Death is creeping behind me with his fatal dart, am communing with God, my country, and thee.

I have sought most closely and diligently, and often in my breast, for a wrong motive in thus hazarding the happiness of those I loved and I could not find one. A pure love of my country and of the principles have often advocated before the people and "the name of honor that I love more than I fear death" have called upon me, and I have obeyed.

Sarah, my love for you is deathless, it seems to bind me to you with mighty cables that nothing but Omnipotence could break; and yet my love of Country comes over me like a strong wind and bears me irresistibly on with all these chains to the battlefield.

The memories of the blissful moments I have spent with you come creeping over me, and I feel most gratified to God and to you that I have enjoyed them so long. And hard it is for me to give them up and burn to ashes the hopes of future years, when God willing, we might still have lived and loved together and seen our sons grow up to honorable manhood around us. I have, I know, but few and small claims upon Divine Providence, but something whispers to me - perhaps it is the wafted prayer of my little Edgar -- that I shall return to my loved ones unharmed. If I do not, my dear Sarah, never forget how much I love you, and when my last breath escapes me on the battlefield, it will whisper your name.

Forgive my many faults, and the many pains I have caused you. How thoughtless and foolish I have oftentimes been! How gladly would I wash out with my tears every little spot upon your happiness, and struggle with all the misfortune of this world, to shield you and my children from harm. But I cannot. I must watch you from the spirit land and hover near you, while you buffet the storms with your precious little freight, and wait with sad patience till we meet to part no more.

But, O Sarah! If the dead can come back to this earth and flit unseen around those they loved, I shall always be near you; in the garish day and in the darkest night -- amidst your happiest scenes and gloomiest hours - always, always; and if there be a soft breeze upon your cheek, it shall be my breath; or the cool air fans your throbbing temple, it shall be my spirit passing by.

continued...........

re: #203 yochanan

POST TURTLE?

I feel sorry for the post turtle. Somebody ought take him down and put him back where he came from.

re: #225 yochanan

BUT HE IS VERY CONFUSED ON ISLAM IN ERATZ ISRAEL.

"The LGF Creationism Cage Match" has such a nice ring to it.

re: #209 yochanan

DOING MY BEST TO IGNORE I.D.

I picture you with fingers over eyes going; LALALALALALA :>

re: #163 George Slivers

re: #156 Thanos

ID like macroevolution is more of a metatheory. The existing data in the literature is adequate to favor ID over undirected evolution.

The existing data in the literatire has nothing whatsoever to say about ID, because it's sectarian religious dogma, not empirical science.

And the name "ID" itself was coined by the Disco Institute shills as a PR propagnada labeling with which to trojan-horse wedge their dogmatic religious snake-oil into public high school science classes, in accordance with their evil, devious, malignant, malevolent and mendacious plans ourlined in their infamous Wedge Strategy.

Sarah, do not mourn me dead; think I am gone and wait for thee, for we shall meet again.

As for my little boys, they will grow as I have done, and never know a father's love and care. Little Willie is too young to remember me long, and my blue eyed Edgar will keep my frolics with him among the dimmest memories of his childhood. Sarah, I have unlimited confidence in your maternal care and your development of their characters. Tell my two mothers his and hers I call God's blessing upon them. O Sarah, I wait for you there! Come to me, and lead thither my children.

Sullivan

Sullivan Balou was killed a week later at the Battle of Bull Run

re: #222 grumpy old codger

Christ, how's the new pooch working out? Haven't heard much lately.

She's great, thanks for asking. Getting ready take her to the park for a bit of a swim...

re: #212 ebed_melech

It's part of the effects of the Fall, you are so anxious to escape, and a widely observed natural phenomenon (for example in the fabulous but sadly degenerating peacock's tail -and quite consistent with the second law of thermodynamics (for once)).

Are you serious?

re: #227 jcm

I WISH

re: #212 ebed_melech

But how do creationists explain retroviral DNA?

re: #221 sattv4u2

DOING MY BEST TO IGNORE E/ I.D. DEBATES

Just don't ignore the symptoms of ED.

/ Please, please hit your caps lock key. For the children.

BHO has not updated his speeches in 21 days.

I think they are hung up on the July 2 speech.

re: #170 George Slivers

Well Charles, I'm sure your site doesn't bring in that much income, so these must be Zimbabwe banknotes you donated.

And you probably donated quatloos or simoleons.

re: #212 ebed_melech
You can go piss up a rope.

re: #237 EC Marm

OK I WILL USE BOLD AND UPPER CASE ROFLMAO

re: #235 yochanan

I WISH

I wonder if we can get PETA to protest the MSM cruelty to post turtles?

re: #237 EC Marm

Just don't ignore the symptoms of ED.

/ Please, please hit your caps lock key. For the children.

Thanks.. I needed that...

re: #243 jcm
Okay, that got a laugh!

Ebed, is the whale devolution, or evolution?

re: #237 EC Marm

what are the kiddies doing on LGF?

re: #233 christheprofessor

Wanna lab, but the wife may say no. well, maybe if I'm real nice tonight

As much as I appreciate Hitchens for his contributions on terrorism, his atheism polemics -- I can't say they rise to the level of argument -- are thoroughly unconvincing. Dinesh D'Souza destroyed him in a debate on the issue. Given his hostility to religion which borders on the irrational, it is difficult to put much stock in his comments on evolution.

re: #210 Salamantis

One of the largest advances in human biology has been the realization that many of the supposed "junk" DNA sequences in the intergenic region actual contribute to traits. This has been shown time and time again in genome wide association studies using SNPs.

Apes and humans have a similar body plan, obviously their genomes are going to be similar.

The arguments regarding junk DNA and vestigal organs are arguments of ignorance. Just becuase we don't understand the purpose of something does not mean it has no purpose. Let us scientist and biologist investigate!

re: #236 Sharmuta

But how do creationists explain retroviral DNA?

God was out late the night before?

re: #237 EC Marm

Just don't ignore the symptoms of ED.

/ Please, please hit your caps lock key. For the children.

I did that because I was responding to Yochanan @ # 209 (to get his attention for using them!)

re: #244 HoosierHoops

YEAH WHAT EVER E.D.? you bad

re: #184 Occasional Reader

Non-functional gills, you say? Ha! I got your intelligent design evidence right here.

Don't forget Sea Monkeys! If brine shrimp that have tits and play basketball don't qualify as the evolution-disproving chimerae that Charles was asking about in another thread, I don't know what'll convince you.

Click here for portrait of Sea Monkeys posing with unibrow artist Frida Kahlo!

re: #183 George Slivers

Interestingly, the Scopes trial was about the right of evolution to be taught in school.

Now, if only Darwinists could allow alternative theories or at least criticism of their theory to be taught.

ID is not an alternative scientific theory. It is not testable and there is not a single shred of empirical evidence for it. It is a sectarian religious dogma, and as such, does not belong in public high school science class. Period.

re: #248 grumpy old codger

Wanna lab, but the wife may say no. well, maybe if I'm real nice tonight

Mine looks a lot like a lab (click my avatar) but isn't. If you recall, the DNA test indicated Cocker Spaniel and Whippet (no Bill Clinton, surprisingly)...

don't remember the old on line caps problem ever being voted on frankly it reminds me of P.C. political stuff.

re: #249 Hanoch

And even if we accept that DI hack D'Souza "destroyed" him, Hitch still has a better policy on terrorism than D'Souza, and a religious debate has no bearing on this subject, as it is not science.

I think there are officially now more evolution posts being made then terrorist ones.

re: #250 George Slivers

Sure go ahead and ignore the fact that the hunk of genome that you are talking about comes from a retrovirus...

Talk about ignorance.

re: #256 christheprofessor

Mine looks a lot like a lab (click my avatar) but isn't. If you recall, the DNA test indicated Cocker Spaniel and Whippet (no Bill Clinton, surprisingly)...

Pssst, Senor! You wish to buy an AKC certificado? Cheeep, Senor and for you such a good price

re: #259 USASupport
You are on thin ice. Just a friendly heads up.

re: #250 George Slivers

I have a suspicion you didn't read the article. This is not surprising and your claim to want to investigate rings hollow.

re: #117 George Slivers
George Silvers, Our creationist troll Du Jour.

re: #257 yochanan

don't remember the old on line caps problem ever being voted on frankly it reminds me of P.C. political stuff.

IT'S NOT THAT. WHY SHOULD WE ALL SHOUT AT EACH OTHER, when we can converse in a more natural, normal tone of 'voice'?

re: #223 Killgore Trout

Why would god create a creature with vestigial eyes? Because he wanted to?

I have a sister-in-law who went from agnostic to Christadelphian.

We have had some interesting discussions on such matters.

For instance, the planet was created around 5000 years ago, complete with fossil accessories for dolts like you and I to ogle over and create theories that they, the true believers, can laugh at.

So blind salamanders are all part of God's Great Headfake needed in order to separate the faithful from the damned.

/I am damned, by the way.