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Obama Combines Flip with Flop

Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 8:54:26 am PDT

Barack Obama sees “an enormous improvement” in Iraq, but he’s still, you know, opposed to the surge.

Welcome to the new Democratic Party, in which it’s possible to advocate two completely contradictory concepts at the same time, and pretend you don’t even notice the massive cognitive dissonance: Obama: If I had it to do over again, I’d still oppose the surge; Update: “Clearly there’s been an enormous improvement”.

Also see:
Soccer Dad: I’d rather we didn’t win

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1 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:55:17am

Ego.

2 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:55:35am

What fools they must think us.

3 Kaitian868  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:55:42am

Panderer.

4 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:55:56am

And so Obama continues his Rainbow Tour, uninhibited by his own cognitive dissonance and the MSM's unwillingness to acknowledge it.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:56:28am

Obama has gone from wanting to pull the troops out because we cant win to wanting to pull the troops out because the fight is over.

He's going Moebius on us.

6 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:56:48am

re: #2 Know Your Enemy

What fools they must think us.

They will only think that in the future. Right now "they" think we should vote for him.

7 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:57:30am
8 pegcity  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:57:40am

Barak Obama reporting for duty

9 laZardo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:57:52am

The memory hole opens...

10 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:58:17am

As asked at The Corner this morning:

What is the protocol - when Obama meets the Pope, who will kiss the others' hand?

11 laZardo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:58:21am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And it doesn't take a genius to know that a Mobius Strip only has one side.

12 Victrola  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:58:56am

What a tool.

13 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:59:04am

re: #11 laZardo

And it doesn't take a genius to know that a Mobius Strip only has one side.


I think it's the left side.

14 newsjunkie_ky  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:59:12am

When is obama throwing himself under the bus?

15 ironbill  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:59:17am

An explanation that defies logic.

The media will now praise him for his uncanny ability to "square circles."

16 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:59:26am

The East German judge scores it a 6.8!

17 Semper Gumbi  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:59:37am

Listening to the World News Roundup on the CBS afiliated local all news station this morning, I noticed that the Obama world tour stories were almost an afterthought - coming after the arrest of that Bosnian guy, salmonella, prostate cancer, and breast mammograms. Maybe event he Press is getting tired of him - Nah.

18 laZardo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 8:59:49am

re: #13 Know Your Enemy

The illusion is that it can be the right side if he's trying to "move toward the center."

Either way, it's the wrong side. (;

19 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:00:34am

re: #17 Semper Gumbi

Listening to the World News Roundup on the CBS afiliated local all news station this morning, I noticed that the Obama world tour stories were almost an afterthought - coming after the arrest of that Bosnian guy, salmonella, prostate cancer, and breast mammograms. Maybe event he Press is getting tired of him - Nah.

Let us hope that he is peaking early.

20 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:00:43am

It's like he can meet himself coming and going!

Another miracle!

21 Wendya  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:01:05am

There had to be quite a few Obama supporters having an Oh shit! He told the truth! moment last night.

22 calvin coolidge  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:01:05am

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. --Obama

23 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:01:06am

I was against it and would STILL be against it. . .before I was for it. . .I need a fucking GPS to keep track of this Assclown's "change"

24 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:02:01am

re: #22 calvin coolidge

I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken. --Obama

And wound up being right all along. . .great to be ME-Bama

25 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:02:04am

Obama can eat his waffle and have it too!

26 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:02:24am

Syrup on BOTH sides of the waffle.

27 blutonazi98  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:03:10am

re: #2 Know Your Enemy

they know we are fools. we keep proving to them that we are fools, why should they think any different?

28 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:03:11am

re: #25 jcm

Obama can eat his waffle and have it too!

Pass the syrup! SNL Ray Romano "Like a Donkey eating a waffle"

29 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:03:30am

The genius of Obama:

1. Voted against the Iraqi Surge.
2. Declared the Surge a failure.
3. Denied the Surge was succeeding.
4. When presented with irrefutable proof the Surge worked, he praised US troops hard work & courage (yadda, yadda, yadda...) and admitted there has been "some" progress.
5. Says he would still have voted against the Surge.
6. He denies the Surge was responsible for the success in Iraq.
7. Now he says Afghanistan needs a Surge too.

Breathtaking idiocy.

30 RedSoxNation  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:03:37am

Maliki is playing a dangerous game. He is betting that Obama will win and that he will have more influence over the "Love me" President. If you had to choose between negotiations with McCain or with Obama, who would you rather seen on the other side. It will be interesting to see how the Iraqis vote on this issue in the fall. Do not be surprised that Maliki will lose some support from the people who used to live close to the violence and do not want to return to it after the American troops leave. That would be Democracy at its best...

31 ironbill  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:03:46am

The NY Times rejected McCain's op-ed and printed this explanation as a mirror of the messiah's previous one

32 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:04:31am

OT -

Q: What is long, hard and full of seamen drugs?

A: A submarine!

33 The Other Les  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:04:48am

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama has gone from wanting to pull the troops out because we cant win to wanting to pull the troops out because the fight is over.

He's going Moebius on us.

This could go on for eons.

[Link: www.macguff.fr...]

34 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:04:54am

re: #29 Kenneth

The genius of Obama:

Breathtaking idiocy.

I was against the surge before I was for it but still against it, but for it in Afghanistan.

Such clarity of thought!
////

35 Vergeltung  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:05:38am

"Can I Just eat my waffle here? Huh?"

36 RedSoxNation  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:03am

Of course Obama would still have voted against the surge; he wants to lose in Iraq.

37 faraway  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:03am

It will be a big mistake for McCane to announce his VP pick while the Obama gaffe machine is on its Euro tour.

38 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:08am

Obama: If I had it to do over again, I’d still oppose the surge; Update: “Clearly there’s been an enormous improvement”.

No contradiction.

He admits that we're winning, but clearly wishes we weren't.

His statements are only contradictory if you assume that he actually has America's interests at heart.

39 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:09am

re: #2 Know Your Enemy

What fools they must think us.

Well some of us.

40 Perplexed  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:24am

Hmmm, I wonder how he can possibly think with all of those diametrically opposed positions rattling around inside of his head. Does he have multiple personalities that control each one of the positions he's recently taken on? Must be getting pretty crowded in there.

41 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #11 laZardo

And it doesn't take a genius to know that a Mobius Strip only has one side.

And yet he's two faced.

42 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:06:56am

Anyone see obama's press conference earlier today?...He made more Bushisms than George Bush.

Aside from all the umms and ahhs, at one point he said, "Israel is a friend of Israel's and if I become President or if John McCain becomes President, Israel will remain a friend of Israel's"

/...not and exact quote, but close.

43 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:07:37am

Obama's entire existance is a fabrication and hyperbole. This is why he's been scooted away from doing off script Town hall meetings and debates. When he doesn't have his handlers giving out his talking points he turns out to be a Gaffe Master. His entire nomination and campaign has been carefully crafted by the key Main Stream Media outlets using propaganda techniques straight out of Carl Marx's playbook. The Polls saying he is liked better than or equal to McCain have all been published by MSM key players. I haven't found a single person I know that can these results or who believes McCain is loosing or even close to loosing. Black or White.

44 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:07:55am

re: #39 Nevergiveup

Well some of us.


Enough of us, unfortunately.

45 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #37 faraway

It will be a big mistake for McCane to announce his VP pick while the Obama gaffe machine is on its Euro tour.

True, it would be best to let Obama finish his Rainbow Tour before picking a VP candidate. It might even be best to let Obama pick his VP first.

46 VegasRick  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:01am

Did anyone else see the ad on FOX for a new movie called "HYPE" on obambi?
no sarc

47 opnion  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:14am

Hey, he doesn't go for that 'Easy" patriotism, like wearing a flag pin.
He goes for the real thing , like sitting his effete butt in the pew of a racist, anti American church for 20 years.
Then to establish what a super patriot he is , he undercuts our troops by comforting the enemy, letting them know that American defeat is just one inauguration away.

48 laZardo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:24am

re: #41 JamesTKirk

And yet he's two faced.

POGIC LARADOX.

/a very intended nature

49 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:24am

re: #42 Ringo the Gringo

Anyone see obama's press conference earlier today?...He made more Bushisms than George Bush.

Aside from all the umms and ahhs, at one point he said, "Israel is a friend of Israel's and if I become President or if John McCain becomes President, Israel will remain a friend of Israel's"

/...not and exact quote, but close.


I was FOR Israel being Isrel's friend. . .not like now where she is exchanging killers for corpses. . .

50 faraway  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:31am

How much you want to bet that the first episode of Cribs after Jan 20, 2009 will be from the White House?

51 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:39am

re: #46 VegasRick

Did anyone else see the ad on FOX for a new movie called "HYPE" on obambi?
no sarc


Saw that this morning.

52 Opinionated  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:40am

November 4, 2008 is not only going to be election day, it's going to be National IQ Test Day.

53 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:08:42am

re: #40 Perplexed

Hmmm, I wonder how he can possibly think with all of those diametrically opposed positions rattling around inside of his head. Does he have multiple personalities that control each one of the positions he's recently taken on? Must be getting pretty crowded in there.

That's what's causing the swelling of the ears.

54 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:02am

re: #47 opnion

Hey, he doesn't go for that 'Easy" patriotism, like wearing a flag pin.
He goes for the real thing , like sitting his effete butt in the pew of a racist, anti American church for 20 years.
Then to establish what a super patriot he is , he undercuts our troops by comforting the enemy, letting them know that American defeat is just one inauguration away.


Next to his daughters. . .

55 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:16am

re: #2 Know Your Enemy

Problem is that with the average voter his appraisal is not that far off. Not to be an elitist, but when 40% of all adults have not read a book, any book, in the past year, you could sell them any old line and they would take it, hook, line, and stinker (sic). How many ads have you seen on tv that advertise "no interest or payments till 2010". Hey, if you can't afford it now, how do you think you will afford it in 2 years? On top of that, the merchant borrows money to finance his inventory. He is going to get that money back from you know who. The WSJ had a nice piece on the Bush tax policy yesterday: [Link: online.wsj.com...]
Obama and his grabass will manage to cause total tax revenues to decrease. This will hardly shrink the deficit or stimulate the economy. But don't talk about that to joe sixpack, he would not understand. Also do not talk about the fact that offshore drilling reduces natural oil seeps and protects the environment. Again, joe sixpack does not understand. All joe wants to do is to blame somebody else.

56 jorline  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:29am

Obama juggles flip-flops

57 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:32am

re: #50 faraway

How much you want to bet that the first episode of Cribs after Jan 20, 2009 will be from the White House?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

58 BGOH  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:42am

So, if Hugo Chavez would start invading South American countries and Barack were president, would he take the Monroe Doctrine seriously, or would he simply let it go because he wouldn't want to come off as too "Bushy?"

59 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:51am

re: #48 laZardo

POGIC LARADOX.

/a very intended nature

I'll just use one of Obama's speeches the next time I need to explode a robot's brain with illogic.

/You'd be surprised how often I have to do that.

60 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:09:56am

re: #56 jorline

Obama juggles flip-flops


And a few chainsaws. . .

61 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:10:15am

re: #50 faraway

How much you want to bet that the first episode of Cribs after Jan 20, 2009 will be from the White House?

Pimp My Oval Office!

62 Walahi  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:10:31am

Yup, Ol' Barry wants his bread buttered on both sides.

One the one hand, facts are facts. Iraq is a much better place now than it has been. Verdict? Surge was a brilliant move and kudos to the men and women on the ground who made it happen. If he had said 'Place is worse than ever' loads of people would raise eyebrows.

Yet on the other, got to appease the 'anti-war/establishment/chimpymcbushhaliburton-mil itary-industrial-complex' camp that makes up the Obamatrons.

See? It's a fundamental pillar on the Left: Principles before Facts. Leftist often crunch facts to fit a theory instead of having the hypothesis being derived from facts, tests and amended accordingly [seriously, this is the crux of the scientific method and fundamental component of our society]. Post 29 does a good job illustrating Leftist thinking.

This is why I see the internet as a burden sometimes. It gave the ill-informed the shiny gloss of looking legitimate [e.g, truthers, holocaust deniers, and any other number of history revisionists]. All they have to do is link to another website of the same vein of thought and BAM! it's now a 'fact backed up by evidence'. Long live incestuous reading circles.

Back to Barry though...

I call him sandles cuz of the way he flip flops

63 Hard Right  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:10:53am

re: #34 jcm

I was against the surge before I was for it but still against it, but for it in Afghanistan.

Such clarity of thought!
////

I would love to be able to ask him that question on TV.
"You feel the surge in Iraq did not work and say you would still vote against it knowing what you do now. So why are you calling for a surge in Afghanistan?"
Shortly thereafter I would be torn apart by his cult members supporters.

64 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:10:56am

re: #46 VegasRick

Did anyone else see the ad on FOX for a new movie called "HYPE" on obambi?
no sarc

I saw it. Doubt it will open in 1000 theaters like that Fahrenheit crap did, but maybe it will make the Internet rounds.

65 opnion  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:10:58am

re: #40 Perplexed

Hmmm, I wonder how he can possibly think with all of those diametrically opposed positions rattling around inside of his head. Does he have multiple personalities that control each one of the positions he's recently taken on? Must be getting pretty crowded in there.

66 Know Your Enemy  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:00am

re: #61 JamesTKirk

Pimp My Oval Office!


Heh.

67 laZardo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:09am

re: #59 JamesTKirk

One speech is good for a Borg Fleet, I understand.

68 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:24am

re: #56 jorline

Obama juggles flip-flops

I'd pay good money to see WAB sitting in that chair.

69 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:36am

I don't know why baby jesus can't have it both ways..
afterall Waffle is both a noun and a verb and an adjective.
/glad the goddess isn't here to correct my english.
//

70 Jinx  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:43am

The Obamessiah can say no wrong.

Media moguls, bow down at his feet and worship your savior.

71 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:48am

re: #43 Egfrow

Obama's entire existance is a fabrication and hyperbole. This is why he's been scooted away from doing off script Town hall meetings and debates. When he doesn't have his handlers giving out his talking points he turns out to be a Gaffe Master. His entire nomination and campaign has been carefully crafted by the key Main Stream Media outlets using propaganda techniques straight out of Carl Marx's playbook. The Polls saying he is liked better than or equal to McCain have all been published by MSM key players. I haven't found a single person I know that can these results or who believes McCain is loosing or even close to loosing. Black or White.


Karl Marx is just the foundation. . .it is odd that so many CAPITALISTS are supporting the man, since, you know, public finance is so "broken"

72 VegasRick  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:53am

re: #51 Ringo the Gringo

Saw that this morning.

Looks pretty good.

73 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:11:59am

This is bad move on Obama's part. Now he'll never get those pro-troop votes he was pandering for.

74 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:12:00am

re: #58 BGOH

So, if Hugo Chavez would start invading South American countries and Barack were president, would he take the Monroe Doctrine seriously, or would he simply let it go because he wouldn't want to come off as too "Bushy?"

The Monroe Doctrine was about keeping European powers out of the Americas; it has nothing to do with South American countries fighting each other.

75 Walahi  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:12:02am

sandals...oy....

76 opnion  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:12:19am

re: #54 DisturbedEma

Next to his daughters. . .

True child abuse. Teach them hate, early.

77 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:12:23am

re: #46 VegasRick

Did anyone else see the ad on FOX for a new movie called "HYPE" on obambi?
no sarc

I saw the ad.

78 thedopefishlives  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:12:31am

re: #73 wiffersnapper

This is bad move on Obama's part. Now he'll never get those pro-troop votes he was pandering for.

Most pro-troop people would never have voted for the man, no matter HOW much he pandered to them.

79 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:12:55am

re: #8 pegcity

Barak Obama reporting for duty

lo

DNC

We Do Need Change

80 yma o hyd  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:01am

re: #38 JamesTKirk

Obama: If I had it to do over again, I’d still oppose the surge; Update: “Clearly there’s been an enormous improvement”.

No contradiction.

He admits that we're winning, but clearly wishes we weren't.

His statements are only contradictory if you assume that he actually has America's interests at heart.

Good point!

And as we know who backs him - we know which interests are at BO's heart ... and they are the opposite of America's interests ...

81 mojo9  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:02am

basically, they're opposed to improvement unless they accomplished it. only problem is, they can't!

82 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:02am

re: #76 opnion

True child abuse. Teach them hate, early.


Early often and without shame. . .

83 wiffersnapper  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:06am

re: #78 thedopefishlives

good ol' sarcasm, laid on thick

84 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:12am

re: #36 RedSoxNation

At least a waffle has 2 sides and an edge. Of course, I guess you could design a special Klein bottle waffle for Obama.

85 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:16am

Some really, really bad advice from an Obama supporter,
and I really, really hope Obama takes it:

My suggestion to Obama: forget Berlin, go to Mecca.


If you really want to be seen in a Kennedy / Reagan light in the diplomatic arena, you should use your popularity and your unique heritage to address the Christian and Muslim worlds. A thoughtful speech that focuses on our similarities, rather than our differences, is clearly needed between both communities of faith. Kennedy and Reagan in their speeches addressed the major foreign policy concerns of our country. Obama has the opportunity to do something similar if he takes up this challenge. However, the issue is much trickier and more dangerous than either Kennedy or Reagan had to face. Instead of disarming conventional and nuclear weapons, Obama has to disarm fear and prejudice on both sides, Christian and Muslim.

Note to clueless Democrat: It's against the law for Infidels (ie. non-Muslims) to enter Mecca. The penalty is death (surprise!)

Of course, this may or may not be a problem for Obama.

86 claire  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:13:37am

I'm not seeing a lot of the legendary charisma or confidence from Obama shining through in these pix of him in tanks, helicopters, etc. He looks like a 10-year old at an airshow.

87 faraway  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:14:06am

re: #85 Kenneth


Note to clueless Democrat: It's against the law for Infidels (ie. non-Muslims) to enter Mecca. The penalty is death (surprise!)

Of course, this may or may not be a problem for Obama.


Obama is post-Muslim

88 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:14:11am

Safe to go back to FOX. Kerry is no longer on. Why he was in the first place is another story?

89 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:14:16am

It's the Amateur Hour. Now every American can look at their child, no matter how big an idiot he is, and say "You too can one day ..."

90 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:14:43am

re: #85 Kenneth

Some really, really bad advice from an Obama supporter,
and I really, really hope Obama takes it:

My suggestion to Obama: forget Berlin, go to Mecca.

Note to clueless Democrat: It's against the law for Infidels (ie. non-Muslims) to enter Mecca. The penalty is death (surprise!)

Of course, this may or may not be a problem for Obama.

Wish I could see it. . .but you know, Jews are not allowed in that COUNTRY!

91 VegasRick  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:15:04am

found it
[Link: www.hypemovie.com...]

92 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:15:16am

re: #86 claire

I'm not seeing a lot of the legendary charisma or confidence from Obama shining through in these pix of him in tanks, helicopters, etc. He looks like a 10-year old at an airshow.


oh snap!

93 Ma Sands  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:15:51am

{snowcrash}, calling snowcrash..... :)

(send me an e-mail?)

94 Goody  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:16:18am

Wow--as I've said before, this guy is Bill Clinton on steroids. The ability to avoid admitting to an error of [gasp!] judgment on the surge by claiming that "political factors" were instead responsible for the reduction in violence (and these factors of course were unaffected by the surge) would make old Bill proud (if he weren't sulking). Unfortunately, as you watch the MSM coverage of Maliki's statements--which were, essentially, that he hopes American troops will not be needed past 2010--you realize the average American is being led instead to believe that the leaders of Iraq want us out of there on Obama's timetable regardless of conditions on the ground. Virtually every morning show presented the comments as "Maliki is closer to Obama than McCain on "timetables" for withdrawal.

95 opnion  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:17:11am

re: #86 claire

I'm not seeing a lot of the legendary charisma or confidence from Obama shining through in these pix of him in tanks, helicopters, etc. He looks like a 10-year old at an airshow.


So, like you know, do these guns & stuff really shoot?

96 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:17:21am

About two weeks after 9-11-01, I visited friends/clients in lower Manhattan. There was a Remembrance Book set up in the Port Authority. I signed it: WIN THE WAR.

How can the Democratic Party candidate for the President of the United States not support victory in a war unjustly wrought on us? How can he be so clueless as to the nature of this war?

97 mojo9  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:17:29am

[Link: www.kleinbottle.com...]
syrup bottle for obama!

98 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:17:46am

re: #71 DisturbedEma

Karl Marx is just the foundation. . .it is odd that so many CAPITALISTS are supporting the man, since, you know, public finance is so "broken"

Agreed, I find that wannabe Philanthropists such as Bill Gates and Warren Buffet feel guilty about their gains and want to give it back to the "community". When in fact their gains should be give back to fund more capitalism, such as R&D, Capital Investment, and Research Grants. It's a teach a man to fish kinda thing. These so called Capitalists suffer from white man's guilt issues and should not be considered real capitalists. Not many, even our current round of politicians actually really understand what it is.

99 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:18:26am

re: #63 Hard Right

I would love to be able to ask him that question on TV.
"You feel the surge in Iraq did not work and say you would still vote against it knowing what you do now. So why are you calling for a surge in Afghanistan?"
Shortly thereafter I would be torn apart by his cult members supporters.

I wonder if Barry has every had an unscripted question from the public. We know the MSM is in the tank won't get anything from them.

100 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:18:39am

re: #91 VegasRick

found it
[Link: www.hypemovie.com...]

Saw the advert on Fox News last night...could not believe it.

Bring on the pain!

101 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:18:44am

I saw Obama on being interviewed on Nightline last night, and he was eager to give anyone credit for the improving situation in Iraq, with the exception of the military. He said he thinks it's all about the Iraqis deciding they could all just get along.

102 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:18:54am

Dream photo moments.

1. The troops laughing at him.
2. Splopydope blows up within earshot and BO crawls under a table.

103 Cartman  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:19:12am

Barry keeps on stumblin', and the vast, unenlightened portion of the American electorate just keeps on high-fivin' and bobbleheadin' for change they can believe in. I wonder how much longer the media can keep spraying him with Teflon. It's a remarkable, yet frightening phenomenon we are witnessing here.

104 BGOH  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:19:14am

re: #74 JamesTKirk

The Monroe Doctrine was about keeping European powers out of the Americas; it has nothing to do with South American countries fighting each other.

Good point, Captain, I hadn't thought of that. But, it does lay claim to the Western hemisphere as an area that is in our nation's interest to protect and maintain stability within, so I would think it would apply to any crap Hugo might try to pull.

Either way, I would very much like to know how committed Obambi would be to protecting our allies with force if the need were to arise under his presidency. Idiotic, nonsensical positions like this one raise some serious doubt that he would in my mind. Such a question would be substantive, though, so the media will never ask it. A boy can dream, though, can't he?

105 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:19:25am

re: #96 experiencedtraveller

About two weeks after 9-11-01, I visited friends/clients in lower Manhattan. There was a Remembrance Book set up in the Port Authority. I signed it: WIN THE WAR.

How can the Democratic Party candidate for the President of the United States not support victory in a war unjustly wrought on us? How can he be so clueless as to the nature of this war?

Obama is an egotistical moron.

106 Stringart  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:19:57am

What on earth is wrong with Americans or Democrats or the MSM that this clown wasn't tossed to the curb months ago? Is BDS so powerful that anything, even a vapid, America-hating marxist, is considered an improvement?

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

107 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:20:17am

re: #96 experiencedtraveller

Ego over patriotism, very simple. Other people will pay the cost, he will get the reward. Crap, Jimmy Clueless is still running around being rewarded for his abomination of a term.

108 sparrowlake  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:20:24am

re: #47 opnion

If Bush wants McCain to get elected he should immediately declare a total victory in Iraq as a result of McCain's surge, and announce that he will pull the troops out immediately.
MSM will buy the line, annoint McCain and toss Obama aside.

109 jorline  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:20:55am

re: #99 jcm

I wonder if Barry has every had an unscripted question from the public. We know the MSM is in the tank won't get anything from them.

Agree...that's why McCain needs to push for the town hall meetings...questions off the cuff with an occasional DNC plant...lol

110 JamesTKirk  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:21:05am

re: #104 BGOH

...Either way, I would very much like to know how committed Obambi would be to protecting our allies with force if the need were to arise under his presidency.

As president, he would decide who "our allies" were, and his judgment would be rather different from ours (and from historical reality).

111 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:21:07am

re: #101 Ward Cleaver

That's a Marxist strategy, it's to create a mode of mediocrity to achievement to anyone other than those who achieve. This is the attempt to marginalize true greatness because honoring true "Achievement" is dangerous to Collectivism and universal equality.

112 Ben Hur  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:21:17am

KARADZIC HID IN PLAIN SIGHT WITH FALSE IDENTITY, WHITE BEARD

13 years for the Euros to catch one man in one city.

Remember that when they bitch about finding UBL and and how they bitched about Hussein.

113 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:21:20am

re: #105 Ward Cleaver

Obama is an egotistical moron.

Worse. Obama is a narcissist.

114 Adrenalyn  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:21:55am

re: #37 faraway

It will be a big mistake for McCane to announce his VP pick while the Obama gaffe machine is on its Euro tour.

that's exactly why he will do it, he's an idiot (but he's my idiot in November)

someone has to tell McCain to lay low until November 5

MoBama will self destruct if McCain simply does nothing
but you can bet he will do something magnanimus to help MoBama
if given half a chance

115 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:21:55am

re: #99 jcm

I wonder if Barry has every had an unscripted question from the public. We know the MSM is in the tank won't get anything from them.

Of course he has accepted unscripted questions from the public:

"Senator Obama, why are you so wonderful?"

"Senator Obama, how much do you love Michelle?"

"Senator Obama, whose shirts do you wear?"

"Senator Obama, will you be my Huckleberry?"

116 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:06am

Unless Evan Bayh wants to log in and explain it, I guess I'll have to do it. You see, things are improving in Iraq in spite of the surge. If there had been no surge, things would have improved faster. Better yet, if we had never gone in there and mucked things up, it would have been the best of all.

And actually, if we hid under the bed with our eyes closed tight, we'd be kings of the universe!

It's really very simple.

/Obama Strategic Thinking Committee 2008

117 Semper Gumbi  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:07am

re: #74 JamesTKirk

The Monroe Doctrine was about keeping European powers out of the Americas; it has nothing to do with South American countries fighting each other.

Ahh, but one can make the argument that the Monroe Doctrine applies since it appears Russia is financing Hugo's military build-up - and Russia is half European. :)

118 reine.de.tout  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:12am

McCain on fox - "our troops will come home with honor and victory, not defeat".

119 pat  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:15am

Obama can't think and talk at the same time.

120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:29am

re: #102 lifeofthemind

Dream photo moments.

2. Splopydope blows up within earshot and BO crawls under a table.

With visible evidence of him wetting himself

121 yma o hyd  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:32am

re: #108 sparrowlake

If Bush wants McCain to get elected he should immediately declare a total victory in Iraq as a result of McCain's surge, and announce that he will pull the troops out immediately.
MSM will buy the line, annoint McCain and toss Obama aside.

... and on Nov 5ht, when McCin ahs won, Bush should say 'I lied ...' and do no such thing!

122 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:39am

re: #105 Ward Cleaver

Obama is an egotistical moron.


Now now, don't be bitter;)

123 The Other Les  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:43am

re: #96 experiencedtraveller

About two weeks after 9-11-01, I visited friends/clients in lower Manhattan. There was a Remembrance Book set up in the Port Authority. I signed it: WIN THE WAR.

How can the Democratic Party candidate for the President of the United States not support victory in a war unjustly wrought on us? How can he be so clueless as to the nature of this war?

He's not clueless. He's on the other side.

124 BGOH  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:49am

re: #110 JamesTKirk

As president, he would decide who "our allies" were, and his judgment would be rather different from ours (and from historical reality).

Scary stuff, eh?

**shudder**

125 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:22:55am

re: #101 Ward Cleaver

I saw Obama on being interviewed on Nightline last night, and he was eager to give anyone credit for the improving situation in Iraq, with the exception of the military. He said he thinks it's all about the Iraqis deciding they could all just get along.

Just think of all the troops shaking his hand while wishing they could put a knee in his groin.

126 SummerSong  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:23:02am

"Flip flop" - That's more of a pancake thing.

"advocate two completely contradictory concepts at the same time". There's the waffle!

127 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:23:21am

re: #17 Semper Gumbi

Listening to the World News Roundup on the CBS afiliated local all news station this morning, I noticed that the Obama world tour stories were almost an afterthought - coming after the arrest of that Bosnian guy, salmonella, prostate cancer, and breast mammograms. Maybe event he Press is getting tired of him - Nah.

All three of the broadcast networks have their news anchors following him around on his world ego tour. Slobbering dogs.

128 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:23:36am

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

With visible evidence of him wetting himself

Well, shit, I would too!

129 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:24:11am

For the past few days the grampa rabbit and I have been saying that this is really the limit, shaking our heads and steeling ourselves till the Triumphal Tour is over.

Now it's beginning to dawn on us that this is only the opening act for the Crown Prince and His Court - I'm seeing visions of Barry meeting with NATO officials, speaking at the UN (his natural home), inviting Putin to his summer quarters for informal talks....

Have they played Hail to the Chief at his pressers yet? It's only a matter of days.

130 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:24:34am

re: #115 OldLineTexan

Of course he has accepted unscripted questions from the public:

"Senator Obama, why are you so wonderful?"

"Senator Obama, how much do you love Michelle?"

"Senator Obama, whose shirts do you wear?"

"Senator Obama, will you be my Huckleberry?"

/ Senator Obama, Tighty whiteys or boxers?

131 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:24:59am

re: #128 OldLineTexan

Well, shit, I would too!


YOU are not Mr. Smoooth Criminal! You have the right to wet without shame:)

132 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:25:07am

re: #129 runrabbitrun

He'll be meeting with the Twelfth Imam without preconditions.

133 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:25:50am

re: #130 HoosierHoops

/ Senator Obama, Tighty whiteys or boxers?


Senator Obama, do you play an instrument?

134 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:12am

re: #107 Shr_Nfr

Jimmy Clueless, the former President that keeps on giving...

135 Egfrow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:14am

I'm willing to bet a Years Salary that if Obama and McCain had an un-moderated debate right now, that Obama would be made to look like a complete fool and idiot. Expect all debates between them to be very very watered down and moderated.

136 Cartman  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:28am

Boy, Rush is just after Barry 24x7 at this point, and I love it. Charles has certainly done his part to expose this charlatan, as well. We've gotta just keep on hammering this stuff home, with the hope that even some of it will eventually sink in.

137 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:29am

re: #129 runrabbitrun

For the past few days the grampa rabbit and I have been saying that this is really the limit, shaking our heads and steeling ourselves till the Triumphal Tour is over.

Now it's beginning to dawn on us that this is only the opening act for the Crown Prince and His Court - I'm seeing visions of Barry meeting with NATO officials, speaking at the UN (his natural home), inviting Putin to his summer quarters for informal talks....

Have they played Hail to the Chief at his pressers yet? It's only a matter of days.

Hail to the Chief? Hell, they'll be playing Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring with "Jesu" marked out and "Barack" written over in crayon.

138 victor_yugo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:35am
Welcome to the new Democratic Party, in which it’s possible to advocate two completely contradictory concepts at the same time, and pretend you don’t even notice the massive cognitive dissonance

Gee, where have I seen that before? Oh, yeah:

"There is no compulsion in Islam."

"In the name of Allah, the compassionate, the merciful..."
"Behead those who insult Islam"

Need I go on?

139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:36am

re: #130 HoosierHoops

/ Senator Obama, Tighty whiteys or boxers?

Boxers. You think Barry is going to let some whiteys hold little Barry down?

140 Perplexed  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:41am

re: #129 runrabbitrun

For the past few days the grampa rabbit and I have been saying that this is really the limit, shaking our heads and steeling ourselves till the Triumphal Tour is over.

Now it's beginning to dawn on us that this is only the opening act for the Crown Prince and His Court - I'm seeing visions of Barry meeting with NATO officials, speaking at the UN (his natural home), inviting Putin to his summer quarters for informal talks....

Have they played Hail to the Chief at his pressers yet? It's only a matter of days.

I would come unglued if he attempted to ride into Jerusalem on the back of a donkey during Passover. I wouldn't put it pass him though.

141 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:57am

re: #110 JamesTKirk

As president, he would decide who "our allies" were, and his judgment would be rather different from ours (and from historical reality).

I was up early last Saturday morning getting dressed to go on duty, when I heard one of Obama's foreign policy advisers say we have to get back on the same page as "our allies" and get more help from "our allies" and then went on to mention who he thought "our allies" are:
CHINA and RUSSIA!
Go figure?

142 victor_yugo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:26:59am

re: #130 HoosierHoops

/ Senator Obama, Tighty whiteys or boxers?

You racist bastard!

/

143 BGOH  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:15am

re: #129 runrabbitrun


Have they played Hail to the Chief at his pressers yet? It's only a matter of days.

No, but a new "version" is in the works. It will be in a slightly different key, in 3/4 time, but will sound very much like "Hail to the Chief." It will be called "Hail to Our Proletarian Messiah."

144 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:21am

re: #137 OldLineTexan

Hail to the Chief? Hell, they'll be playing Jesu Barry Joy of Man's Desiring with "Jesu" marked out and "Barack" written over in crayon.

There. . .

145 FurryOldGuyJeans  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:25am

re: #129 runrabbitrun

The Obamassiah will just write a new anthem, just as he did with the Presidential Seal.

146 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:37am

re: #134 experiencedtraveller

Jimmy Clueless, the former President that keeps on giving...

Must.Not.Type.What.Just.Crossed.My.Mind.

147 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:41am

re: #132 itellu3times

He'll be meeting with the Twelfth Imam without preconditions.

Can we put a big block of concrete over the well while he's down there?

148 laZardo  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:42am

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Zing!

149 Perplexed  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:27:58am

re: #143 BGOH

Have they played Hail to the Chief at his pressers yet? It's only a matter of days.

No, but a new "version" is in the works. It will be in a slightly different key, in 3/4 time, but will sound very much like "Hail to the Chief." It will be called "Hail to Our Proletarian Messiah."

The death march may be more appropriate.

150 Russkilitlover  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:28:12am

re: #17 Semper Gumbi

Listening to the World News Roundup on the CBS afiliated local all news station this morning, I noticed that the Obama world tour stories were almost an afterthought - coming after the arrest of that Bosnian guy, salmonella, prostate cancer, and breast mammograms. Maybe event he Press is getting tired of him - Nah.

The press does NOT want to further highlight Obam-uh's inability to discuss foreign policy (especially the conduct of a war!) in any coherent way.

151 MandyManners  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:28:17am

re: #139 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Boxers. You think Barry is going to let some whiteys hold little Barry down?

I love it!

152 itellu3times  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:28:43am

re: #147 MandyManners

Can we put a big block of concrete over the well while he's down there?

OK, but wait until the press is in there, too.

153 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:28:45am

re: #146 OldLineTexan

Must.Not.Type.What.Just.Crossed.My.Mind.

Clap clap clap. . . .

154 Rancher  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:28:59am

re: #141 Nevergiveup
A link would be wonderful.

155 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:29:57am

re: #149 Perplexed

The death march may be more appropriate.

Bring on the noise. . .

156 Perplexed  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:30:09am

re: #152 itellu3times

OK, but wait until the press is in there, too.

Like Uncle Sherman once said "send all of the reporters to hell in the morning and you would see dispatches from hell by noon."

157 Nevergiveup  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:30:11am

re: #154 Rancher

A link would be wonderful.

It was a rebroadcast on early morning Fox TV of a show that must have aired the previous Friday night. No linky.

158 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:30:43am

re: #141 Nevergiveup

I was up early last Saturday morning getting dressed to go on duty, when I heard one of Obama's foreign policy advisers say we have to get back on the same page as "our allies" and get more help from "our allies" and then went on to mention who he thought "our allies" are:
CHINA and RUSSIA!
Go figure?

Keep your friends close.

Keep your enemies closer.

We are Best Buddies with China for the exact same reason we are Best Buddies with Saudi Arabia...our money is pouring into their economies and/or numbered Swiss accounts of their "leaders".

159 faraway  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:30:47am

re: #106 Stringart

What on earth is wrong with Americans or Democrats or the MSM that this clown wasn't tossed to the curb months ago? Is BDS so powerful that anything, even a vapid, America-hating marxist, is considered an improvement?

Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

Just wait til you have to say "President Obama" for the first time.

160 Rancher  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:30:50am

Also does anyone have a link to the speech he just gave? He credited Sadr's peace initiative for the current situation in Iraq. I need a quote.

161 OldLineTexan  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:31:00am

re: #155 DisturbedEma

Bring on the noise. . .

Because da Funk is already here

162 HoosierHoops  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:31:01am

re: #151 MandyManners

I love it!

Good afternoon Mandy..
life treating you good?
I'm still laughing about that pic you posted with Pamela Anderson and some dude that looks like UBL..

163 Rancher  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:31:44am

re: #157 Nevergiveup

Maybe I can find it with that info, thanks.

164 calcajun  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:32:18am

If, according to F. Scott Fitzgerald, an artist is someone who can hold two fundamentally opposing points of view and still be able to function, the the modern Democrat party is the modern version of the Italian Renaissance painters and BHO is its da Vinci---or so say the MSM.

The last time the media fawned this much over a political celebrity, Leine Reisenthal made "Triumph of the Will".

165 Kenneth  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:32:55am

Obama said the current US strategy, with it's over-focus on Iraq, is wrong. He said as president he would pull the troops out of Iraq & send an additional 10,000 troops to Afghanistan.

Ironically, that's exactly what the current US strategy is:

Several thousand additional troops were sent to Afghanistan a few months ago, and in April Sec-Def Gates announced plans to send more this year. Several NATO nations have also sent more troops including 1000 from the UK.

Meanwhile, the last of the 30,000 additional Surge troops will be gone from Iraq by the end of July.

In other words, Obama is promising to do what the US is already doing right now. Once again, he's against the US strategy, and he's for it.

166 Land Shark  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:34:15am

The Obamination is sure getting a lot of help from the MSM. The MSM has become nothing but a propaganda arm of the Democrat party. They have covered up The Obamination's ignorance, stupidity and flip-flops rather well so far. They are even trying to give Obama credit for the successes of our forces in Iraq!

I'm voting for McCain with enthusiasm and no reservations. I never thought I'd say that. We can not allow this Obacharlatan to be President of the US. Period.

167 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:34:49am

re: #159 faraway

Just wait til you have to say "President Obama" for the first time.


I will NEVER say that. . .like they did to Bush, Mr., I will do that. . .

168 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:35:18am

re: #94 Goody

Virtually every morning show presented the comments as "Maliki is closer to Obama than McCain on "timetables" for withdrawal.

Who elected Maliki President of the United States? We need a President who says to foreigners, politely and publicly, "I am elected to preserve protect and defend the Constitution of the United States and to do so I will act in my country's best interests. It is my great hope that we can go forward together in peace and friendship. When we disagree it is my hope that we can reach a compromise that does not hurt my country or by focusing on common interests and goals we shall get past such inevitable problems and move on. When threats to the safety of my people arise within your jurisdiction it is my hope that through bilateral legal procedures you will be able to cooperate in removing that threat. When that fails do not be unduly hurt if we take action as quickly and quietly as we can. When we have to remove a brutal dictator and set a broken society on the road to restored sovereignty, as we have on several occasions, our policy shall be to act in the best interests of America, cognizant of the fact that prolonged exposure to a strong American presence can help mold the host society into a more progressive and tolerant and law abiding direction. The determination of when our presence is no longer needed will be made by mutual consent after the broken society has demonstrated that the poisons of hate and intolerance have been so thoroughly extirpated as to no longer be a threat. Thank you."

169 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:35:50am

re: #161 OldLineTexan

Because da Funk is already here


Fo Shizzle!

170 experiencedtraveller  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:36:26am

re: #146 OldLineTexan

Must.Not.Type.What.Just.Crossed.My.Mind.

You mentioned Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring. Listen to this version. It may help you forget Jimmah (for a few minutes anyway...)

171 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:36:31am

re: #115 OldLineTexan

Of course he has accepted unscripted questions from the public:

"Senator Obama, why are you so wonderful?"

"Senator Obama, how much do you love Michelle?"

"Senator Obama, whose shirts do you wear?"

"Senator Obama, will you be my Huckleberry?"

Boxers or Briefs?

172 DisturbedEma  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:36:40am

re: #165 Kenneth

Obama said the current US strategy, with it's over-focus on Iraq, is wrong. He said as president he would pull the troops out of Iraq & send an additional 10,000 troops to Afghanistan.

Ironically, that's exactly what the current US strategy is:

Several thousand additional troops were sent to Afghanistan a few months ago, and in April Sec-Def Gates announced plans to send more this year. Several NATO nations have also sent more troops including 1000 from the UK.

Meanwhile, the last of the 30,000 additional Surge troops will be gone from Iraq by the end of July.

In other words, Obama is promising to do what the US is already doing right now. Once again, he's against the US strategy, and he's for it.


I am for it when I can pass it off as my own brainchild. . .

173 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:37:16am

re: #136 Cartman

Boy, Rush is just after Barry 24x7 at this point, and I love it. Charles has certainly done his part to expose this charlatan, as well. We've gotta just keep on hammering this stuff home, with the hope that even some of it will eventually sink in.

I think people are noticing. For all his gazillions in fundraising, Obama is still virtually tied with McCain in national polls (around 42% to 41%).

Since I live in Georgia, I've been interested in how Obama is seeking to portray the state as "in play." He's running quite a few ads -- including last night during "House," which couldn't have been cheap. Nevertheless, according to Rassmussen, McCain leads 48% to 39% (with local boy Bob Barr taking a mere 5%). Why is Obama wasting his money here? Does he honestly think he can win, or is it his giant ego? Clearly his advisers are just as delusional as he is.

174 runrabbitrun  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:37:35am

re: #106 Stringart

What on earth is wrong with Americans or Democrats or the MSM that this clown wasn't tossed to the curb months ago? Is BDS so powerful that anything, even a vapid, America-hating marxist, is considered an improvement?

It's remarkable that a senior statesman with impeccable military credentials and experience, who (like them or not) has bi-partisan accomplishments aplenty after decades of Congressional experience is being swept aside for a freshman senator with only a street-gang organizing background and zero military history, no records, nothing of significance in his resume.

Americans aren't stupid. The voters who would give us Obama haven't been educated to use the brains God gave them. They just aren't being led to think - only to feel.

And this puts us at a grave disadvantage as a nation.

175 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:39:22am

2006 Tax number are in....

Washington is teeing up "the rich" for a big tax hike next year, as a way to make them "pay their fair share." Well, the latest IRS data have arrived on who paid what share of income taxes in 2006, and it's going to be hard for the rich to pay any more than they already do. The data show that the 2003 Bush tax cuts caused what may be the biggest increase in tax payments by the rich in American history.


1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006

The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%.

While the top 50% paid 97.1%.

Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes

176 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:39:52am

re: #171 lifeofthemind

Boxers or Briefs?

Thong.....

177 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:41:02am

re: #173 doppelganglander

I think people are noticing. For all his gazillions in fundraising, Obama is still virtually tied with McCain in national polls (around 42% to 41%).

Since I live in Georgia, I've been interested in how Obama is seeking to portray the state as "in play." He's running quite a few ads -- including last night during "House," which couldn't have been cheap. Nevertheless, according to Rassmussen, McCain leads 48% to 39% (with local boy Bob Barr taking a mere 5%). Why is Obama wasting his money here? Does he honestly think he can win, or is it his giant ego? Clearly his advisers are just as delusional as he is.

He's the lightworker (worker for the light bringer, Lucifer). Of course he can win! How can he lose, when the Devil goes to Georgia

178 lifeofthemind  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:41:21am

re: #176 jcm

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwww

179 Darwin Akbar  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:44:44am

It's one thing to be on the wrong side of history, as the Democrats always are, but it's no mean feat to be on the wrong side of current events and pretend otherwise.

180 doppelganglander  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:49:49am

re: #177 Kosh's Shadow

He's the lightworker (worker for the light bringer, Lucifer). Of course he can win! How can he lose, when the Devil goes to Georgia

LOL! Seriously, though, he's going to get virtually 100% of the black vote, which is about 26% of the population statewide. Then he'll do very well among white libs in Atlanta. Outside the perimeter, he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell. My county went something like 74% for Bush in 2004. He's going to need a lot more than a magic lightworker wand to win here.

181 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:49:51am
182 Stringart  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:50:32am

re: #159 faraway

Just wait til you have to say "President Obama" for the first time.

Just Obama will do - no President, no Mr., just Obama.

183 abolitionist  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:53:02am

(ot) re: #74 JamesTKirk

The Monroe Doctrine was about keeping European powers out of the Americas; it has nothing to do with South American countries fighting each other.

re: #104 BGOH
Chavez says Venezuela needs Russia for protection

MEIENDORF CASTLE, Russia (AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez called on Tuesday for a strategic alliance with Russia to protect the South American country from the United States.

Chavez is expected to reach a number of agreements for purchasing military hardware while in Russia, according to Russian news media reports. One newspaper reported that the deals could be worth up to $2 billion.

Venezuelan president arrives in Moscow - 2
Excerpts:

MOSCOW, July 22 (RIA Novosti) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez arrived in Moscow on Tuesday for "strategic" talks on political, economic and defense cooperation.
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Venezuela has bought over 50 combat helicopters, 24 Su-30MK2 fighters, and 100,000 Ak-103 rifles from Russia. It also holds a license for the production of the aforementioned military hardware. The current contracts are worth about $4 billion.

"I hope we will sign a number of contracts we have been working on over the past few years, including in the energy sphere and on defense cooperation," the Venezuelan leader said.

Moscow plans to start supplying Venezuela with at least ten Mi-28N helicopters in the second half of 2009.

The two countries have also negotiated the delivery of three Russian Project 636 Kilo-class diesel submarines and at least 20 Tor-M1 air defense missile systems to Caracas. Contracts for these two deals, if signed, may be worth another $1 billion.
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In line with the state program for the modernization of the armed forces until 2012, Venezuela is planning to spend about $30 bln in the next four years on the purchase of weaponry abroad.

Obambi, if elected, will surely be tested.

184 jcm  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:56:39am

re: #183 abolitionist

Cool... Thugo buying target drones for us....

185 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 9:57:41am

re: #120 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

With visible evidence of him wetting himself

That's why he always wears a dark suit.

186 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:00:25am
187 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:00:59am

I want to see these folks run a modern(?) diesel electric sub. The Iranians have 4 of these and they never get underway. They are complicated as hell.

188 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:02:35am

re: #175 jcm

2006 Tax number are in....


1% of taxpayers, those who earn above $388,806, paid 40% of all income taxes in 2006

The top 10% in income, those earning more than $108,904, paid 71%.

While the top 50% paid 97.1%.

Americans with an income below the median paid a record low 2.9% of all income taxes

And leftist will come out with some statistics showing the rich aren't paying enough.

What I'd like to see is what percentage of income the top x% of earners make. If the top 10% make more than 71% of the income, then they aren't paying enough; if they make less than that, they're paying too much, if we wanted a roughly flat system.
But I don't have the time to dig through all the raw data and put together my own statistics, so I'm stuck trying to make sense out of statistics pulled out to support some particular point.

189 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:02:45am

The man(obambi) is an empty head atop an empty suit. How long before buyers remorse sets in? The man has an ego bigger'n Texas and no ability to back it up.

190 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:02:45am
191 MJBrutus  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:03:18am

Bingo! In prior posts I've labeled BHO as the Heisenberg Uncertainty candidate. Simultaneously occupying a multitude of positions. Krauthammer has of course picked up on this and stated it often in his own inimical way.

Of course the MSM just nod their heads in reverence when the messiah informs them that they were too stupid to understand him and that no contradiction exists. He simply uses his Jedi mind-powers to place them back in line when they hint at such.

192 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:04:24am

re: #187 pingjockey

I want to see these folks run a modern(?) diesel electric sub. The Iranians have 4 of these and they never get underway. They are complicated as hell.

I hope they try. I doubt they'll have a chance to fire weapons.
And it is much easier to sink a sub without letting anyone see what happens.

193 Sir Napsalot  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:05:51am

Obama still hasn't said he supports the surge NOW, has he? Even though he sorta admitted it had worked somewhat ["But not far enough. We still don't have political progress (in Iraq)."]

With that kind of standard regarding political progress, the US probably will get a grade C- too.

194 pingjockey  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:16:05am

re: #192 Kosh's ShadowLotsa accidents can happen!

195 baxtrice  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #55 Shr_Nfr

Ack! Rational thought! It burns!

/joe six-pack

196 CheDub  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 10:47:27am

Simply stated by McCain today in New Hampshire:

Senator Obama would rather lose a war in order to win a political campaign,

197 so.cal.swede  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 11:46:09am

Obama basically said "the Surge didn't work, it was the random coincidence that the sunnis and shias stopped fighting."

I listened to an interview of John Bolton this morning, and he nailed it. I paraphrase:

Obama just illustrated why he is not fit to be the POTUS. He does not understand that the surge had political goals - to motivate the Sunnis and Shias to stop fighting - as well as military goals.

198 nyc redneck  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 11:50:41am

i'm starting to think he is crazy.
or his brain never developed beyond a six yr. old.

199 so.cal.swede  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 11:52:46am

re: #191 MJBrutus

Bingo! In prior posts I've labeled BHO as the Heisenberg Uncertainty candidate. Simultaneously occupying a multitude of positions.

Well, to quote Enstein "randomness is how we explain something when we are unable to understand fundamentals of reality".


Consider a candidate passing through an interview of depth 'd'. The journalist introduces an uncertainty in momentum of approximately h/d because the candidate passes through the interview. But let us determine the momentum of the candidate by measuring the recoil of the audience. In doing so, we will find the momentum of the candidate to arbitrary accuracy by conservation of momentum.

I.E. We need more puff-piece interviews with barack.

200 TheHardHat  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 12:12:43pm

It think it is clear why Obama wants a civilian corp to parallel the military. He doesn't understand the military. He spent years as an ACORN organizer. He understands civilians. He wants to focus on what he knows and not be bothered by these guys in uniforms. I can see it now...His Civilian Corp will be the envy of the world. The USA will be respected again! And extinct.

201 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 12:26:34pm

re: #169 DisturbedEma

Fo Shizzle!

You aren't from around here, are ya!

202 debutaunt  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 12:30:17pm

re: #189 pingjockey

The man(obambi) is an empty head atop an empty suit. How long before buyers remorse sets in? The man has an ego bigger'n Texas and no ability to back it up.

All bun - no beef.

203 Colonel Panik  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 12:34:30pm
Welcome to the new Democratic Party, in which it’s possible to advocate two completely contradictory concepts at the same time, and pretend you don’t even notice the massive cognitive dissonance: Obama: If I had it to do over again, I’d still oppose the surge; Update: “Clearly there’s been an enormous improvement”.


Doublethink:

The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them . . . . To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth.


-George Orwell "1984"

Welcome to the new Democratic Party, where doublethink is doubleplusgood!


/Orwell is rolling in his grave.

204 akak  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 12:42:38pm

I'm fine with staying in Iraq due to Iran & al-Qaeda, but this win & stay thing 100, 000 strong does not work - why? Islam

205 eaglewingz08  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 2:30:48pm

Brutus, it's the Husseinbarack Uncertainty Principle, or else he's a metamorphmagus (changing character/principles not appearances) ala Tonks in Harry Potter. In a way it's enjoyable watching him squirm to keep his position on the surge consistent now that only an IQ bereft BDS delusional dhimmicrap would say that the surge had no real effect and that such dhimmicrap would still oppose the surge EVEN in retrospect. This is like saying, in retrospect would you still oppose DDay. While in the planning stages and execution stages it might have appeared a hail mary, operation with great risks for failure, IN RETROSPECT, even a moron (present dems included) would say that they would have supported such operation in hindsight. However since the only 'qualification' the Obamanation has, is built on the House of Cards, of his opposition to the surge and thus in opposition to McCain's winning strategy, take away this card and the whole house of the Obamanation crumbles into the illusion that it is.

206 6pat6  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 3:25:00pm
Barack Obama sees “an enormous improvement” in Iraq, but he’s still, you know, opposed to the surge.

And this jhackass wants to be POTUS. What a fuckin' ego this creep has.

BTW, notice the new spelling of "jackass" when referring to the Commu.., er, I mean Democrat (Party of Jackasses) Party. Kinda like "dhimmi", and very appropriate.

207 big L  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 4:38:53pm

"The earth is sick, and Obama has gone to Iraq to give it an enema..."
/paraphrasing Al Goar...makes a bout as much sense
as what Obamassiah said. But no one eviscerates him on the follow-up questions, if there were any. Which there never are. I think there is a streak of fear under the surface in the 'reporters'. They are afraid of him.

208 big L  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 4:44:09pm

30 REdSox nation-- Maliki talks like he is walking a tight rope.I think his actual life depends on blurring all these issues.
and isn't that typical in that culture? We Expect more precise talk from Al maliki, than we demand from Obamaton.(who is not threatened at all.)

209 big L  Tue, Jul 22, 2008 4:49:50pm

43- my freinds hate the Iraq war so much they are going to vorte for oby. It is depressing. No one speaks out on the important rationales ont he Iraq war.
also M'Cain needs to articulate about the dollar support and the military and the oil over and over. Say that he is different and he is change from GWB, a different plan.

And if M'Cain announces his Vp too early, the Press will eviscerate the choice all summer and M'Cain message will never be heard.

210 mjbrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:54:10am

People like Malicki know that BHO may well win this election. As horrifying as that prospect is to us (and should be to them), it is a strong possiblity that they must prepare for. So Malicki is hedging his bets and buying favor with the "One."


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