Oh happy day.

You will now evolve from my DNA.

Great cvideolip, Charles.

a sloppy cut and paste job

He's no adnan hajj

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

They're just panda-ing to a particular point of view.

(Bam)Booooooooooo!

proponentsists isn't even a word is it?

Let's allow religion in to the schools and then let's build mosque-like schools to save some time.

Speaking of unintelligent design, does anyone here use Open Office. I tried it out and I couldn't figure out how to place a page number in the upper left corner of the page.

By the way, lots of rumors flying around about Bobby Jindal being McCain's VP pick. If that's the case, his support for creationism is going to be a serious issue.

I agree, it is a new twist on creationism.

I know there have been heated debates as to whether or not this should be taught in classrooms. As a Christian, I support the general idea of offering the alternative "theory" in schools. I say "theory" because if it is presented as such, I believe it can provide another view point to the discussion. I'd rather creation be taught directly, but that would never happen in a secular school.

I believe there is plenty of evidence to support micro-evolution, but I've yet to see concrete proof of macro-evolution -- one species evolving into another species. I respectfully disagree with those who believe otherwise.

I also believe there is enough evidence, and that science and quantum physic has, in the process of answering some of their questions, moved closer to proving that something started all of this.

In any case, I respectfully disagree with those who are dyed-in-the-wool evolutionists. In time, the truth of this all will out, so until then, let the debate continue.

re: #8 debutaunt

Let's allow religion in to the schools and then let's build mosque-like schools to save some time.

I think I'd rather just cut my own throat. So to speak.

Time for the sanity check again:

Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, recently restated his (and Pope John Paul's) argument. As MSNBC reported, Pope Benedict has referred to the debate between creationists and supporters of evolutionary theory as an "absurdity":
"They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other," the pope said. "This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such."
On the other hand, there are certain questions that evolutionary theory can never answer: "Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, 'Where does everything come from?'" Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

Link

re: #10 Charles

By the way, lots of rumors flying around about Bobby Jindal being McCain's VP pick. If that's the case, his support for creationism is going to be a serious issue.

Also about Mitt.

re: #7 pingjockey

proponentsists isn't even a word is it?

It isn't in my dictionary.

Check out the spellchecker!

re: #10 Charles

please... not Bobby Jindal

re: #10 Charles
I hope not. Jindal is the epitome of not ready for prime time yet. Let him be Governor for a couple terms and see how he looks then.

re: #12 Nevergiveup

I think I'd rather just cut my own throat. So to speak.

Thats the point, they'll do it for you.

Damnit, they found us out again. Those scientists must have gone to college.
Back to the drawing board Igor.

re: #10 Charles

By the way, lots of rumors flying around about Bobby Jindal being McCain's VP pick. If that's the case, his support for creationism is going to be a serious issue.

That is one of the only things that keeps me from being excited about Jindal. I am definitely for the castration of child molesters and some of the other things that he stands for, but this creationism thing that he is pushing is where I personally draw the line.

(For all those who may be wondering, there will be NO sarc tag on this post!)

Obama is a media creation

re: #18 opnion

Thats the point, they'll do it for you.

Ah, I got the point. And I reiterate, I'd rather cut my own.

re: #17 pingjockey

I hope not. Jindal is the epitome of not ready for prime time yet. Let him be Governor for a couple terms and see how he looks then.

McCain would have to be stubborn,betyond belief to do that.
Oh, ah, never mind

re: #23 opnion
Uh huh.

re: #16 Kenneth

please... not Bobby Jindal

Not just creationism, either. Also exorcism. He claims he took part in an exorcism that resulted in curing a woman's cancer. Not kidding.

re: #25 Charles
What?! Oh fer cryin' out loud.

re: #22 Nevergiveup

Ah, I got the point. And I reiterate, I'd rather cut my own.

I see what you mean. Why let them have the fun and they do think that it is fun.

re: #10 Charles

By the way, lots of rumors flying around about Bobby Jindal being McCain's VP pick. If that's the case, his support for creationism is going to be a serious issue.

Yeah - that was what I was thinking this morning. Double edged sword of sorts - it may motivate some in the GOP who aren't hot on McCain to show up and vote. it would be interesting to see if the Dems try to exploit it.

As for me, I will vote for the POTUS and not the VP.

re: #25 Charles

Not just creationism, either. Also exorcism. He claims he took part in an exorcism that resulted in curing a woman's cancer. Not kidding.

McCain ought to just pick Benny Hinn.
He's a better fund-raiser and no less wacky

For those who think intelligent design is not creationism in disguise, this clip pretty much blows that argument out of the water, but I'm also fairly sure there will still be those singing "lalalalala- can't hear you!"

re: #13 Ojoe

That quote needs to be added to the list, just below the Troll Hammer.

re: #29 Shug
Gaaaah!

I could have guest we'd have another ID thread. I hope we all use our incite to better disgust the topic.

/ Spell check holiday

re: #25 Charles

Not just creationism, either. Also exorcism. He claims he took part in an exorcism that resulted in curing a woman's cancer. Not kidding.

No shit? Hadn't heard that one.

[OT somewhat, but someone opened the door to this tangent, so I'm going to walk through it]

I believe it was last week, but Fox News did a segment on Texas' plan to start teaching the bible in public schools. The weren't going to teach it as a source of Christian faith, but as literature and how it ties in to history. One side of the argument was that it couldn't be done sans the religious aspect and shouldn't be attempted. Part of the argument was that other books or other faiths were not being taught in public schools. At this point, I became annoyed with the FN anchor for not doing their homework. CA and other schools are teaching the Koran and Islam, and are giving extra credit to students that come dressed as Muslims and who follow the teaching and pray at the appointed times.

If that is permissable, then bible studies (religious) should also be permitted for those inclined to sign up for the classes. One note, the Koran teaching was manditory, but you couldn't even get an elective class on religious bible study.

[/rant off]

re: #27 opnion

I see what you mean. Why let them have the fun and they do think that it is fun.

Although, their new preferred method of murder seems to be running you over with a variety of mobile construction vehicles.

Again with the quotes from "Creator":

I tell you Sid, that one of these days we'll look into our microscopes and find ourselves staring right into God's eyes, and the first one who blinks is going to lose his testicles.

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

No shit? Hadn't heard that one.

Jindal's exorcism story is here (you have to pay to read the whole thing)...

[Link: www.newoxfordreview.org...]

re: #36 Nevergiveup

Although, their new preferred method of murder seems to be running you over with a variety of mobile construction vehicles.

True, beware of Muslims in front loaders.

Vger is the creator

Krauthammer thinks McCain is gonna pick Romney.

More excerpts from Jindal's story here:

[Link: tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

re: #29 Shug

Yeah but he wears those stupid Nehru jackets. I cannot take seriously any man not from the sub-continent who wears one of those.

My definition of Intelligent Design and theirs (creationists) is light-years apart from each others.

Instantaneous, with feathers and beaks............
I can't buy that.

re: #31 StPatrick

Well, let's hear it for Pope Benedict !

Hip Hip Horray

re: #41 pingjockey

Krauthammer thinks McCain is gonna pick Romney.

That's the smart choice.

re: #10 Charles

By the way, lots of rumors flying around about Bobby Jindal being McCain's VP pick. If that's the case, his support for creationism is going to be a serious issue.

And McCain's chances of President blow away. Not a good choice. We have fun bashing BHO's campaign, but McCain's is pretty pathetic.

re: #43 calcajun

I'm far more bothered by his comb-over. It's haunting

re: #43 calcajun
Arthur C. Clarke used to wear one of them and he was plenty sharp.

re: #38 Charles

Thanks!

O/T, related to an earlier post:

If leftards and the MSM are "Barackaholics", does that make the convention in Denver a "Baracchanal"?

re: #47 Russkilitlover

And McCain's chances of President blow away. Not a good choice. We have fun bashing BHO's campaign, but McCain's is pretty pathetic.

It should be Romney. He would cream al Sadr in the vp debate.

Nobody on Humes' panel thinks Jindal will be the pick.

McCain needs to be careful, really careful with the VP pick.

I'm curious about Jindahl, but I don't think he'd be a good pick. He might bring in the Evangelicals, but he'd lose the independents and moderate Dems.

Romney will not bring the evangelicals and he won't appeal to the moderates either.

Huckabee would bring the evangelicals, but he'd lose the rest as well.

I think Michael Steele would be a good pick, or JC Watts.

re: #10 Charles

I have high hopes for the man as La.'s governor. I hope he can turn things around politically--despite his miscalculation on the pay raise issue for the legislature. But, he is really no ready for prime time--he is too green at 36 to be seriously considered for VP--besides, the GOP is going to get the south, so McCain does not need him.

re: #35 SkippyMoment

I was intrigued by your post, so I ran a search, and all I could find was one California school district. Do you have a link showing that this is statewide in California?

re: #41 pingjockey

That is the conventional wisdom. However, will McCain follow the coventional wisdom?

re: #54 SkippyMoment

McCain needs to be careful, really careful with the VP pick.

I'm curious about Jindahl, but I don't think he'd be a good pick. He might bring in the Evangelicals, but he'd lose the independents and moderate Dems.

Romney will not bring the evangelicals and he won't appeal to the moderates either.

Huckabee would bring the evangelicals, but he'd lose the rest as well.

I think Michael Steele would be a good pick, or JC Watts.

Be carefull what you wish for. There have been rumors floating around that Watts has been saying all to many nice things about Obama.

re: #48 Shug

Someone should tell him the '70's called and they want their hair back.

re: #58 buzzsawmonkey

Actually, Elvis, with his love for Gospel singing, might not have minded this one bit.

#56 Sharmuta

No, I'm sorry I don't have a link, but I know it is all throughout the SF bay area school districts. I used to live there, and Melanie Morgan would rant about it, and was working diligently to get parents involved to change the practice.

I believe I also heard it was going on in other districts in other states. She was the source of the information.

There is a branch of the Christian Church that believes G-D expects his people to use spiritual gifts. I'm not talking about just the Looniest branch of Pentecostalism and isolated snake handlers in mountain churches. I'm talking about regular people who just want to follow G-D.

I know I'm exposing myself to ridicule, but I lean in this direction myself (more "baptacostal" than pentecostal) and the thought of an occasional excorcism does not freak me out.

The proof of the pudding is in the respect Jindal has for his constituents and how he governs. Can any government leader nowadays really 'shove' his believes at people. The only thing I see shoved at the people in general is hyper-PC Secularism.

re: #49 pingjockey

I have never seen a shot of him in one. I don't believe you!

Seriously, the man lived in Colombo for the past forty years--he's bound to have worn it once or twice.

Usually by this point, we've had our first demand for topic change, request for revocation of posting privileges, anguished plea to stop the decisiveness, informed that a $1000 check has been sent to the Discovery Institute, or fresh talking point links have been posted.

re: #62 SkippyMoment

Sorry, but my search is showing only one district.

re: #3 buzzsawmonkey

They're just panda-ing to a particular point of view.

I can't bear it!

re: #25 Charles

lets hope it was on the operating room of a hospital......right charles....please?

re: #65 EC Marm

Usually by this point, we've had our first demand for topic change, request for revocation of posting privileges, anguished plea to stop the decisiveness, informed that a $1000 check has been sent to the Discovery Institute, or fresh talking point links have been posted.

The lizards just aren't trying today.

#59 Nevergiveup

I read an article on Townhall.com (I think it was on their site) that many conservative blacks, including JC, were torn between voting principle over pigment. He said in the article that he hand not made his decision, but that the idea of voting for Obama because he was the first black man to have a real chance at becoming the president was very appealing.

I'd hope that principle would win out, but we may never know if they pass the character test or not. Character stands on principle, not appearance.

I like JC because of his track record. He might not be a great pick, and we all know that the black community in general dis's conservative blacks as "Uncle Tom's" or as "house n#*&)$rs" so a black running mate isn't going to help with that voting block, but it might with moderates and independents.

Before this goes too far, I have something to say.

Ahem.

- Stop bashing my religion.
- What are you talking about? Until recently, pagans who died for their country couldn't have a pagan symbol on their tombstones.

- The eye is too complex.
- Explain retroviral DNA.

- Darwinists are religious fanatics.
- Did you even watch the video?

- We love you, Charles, but you have become the Martin Luther of evolution.
- WTF?

/Carry on. As always, I expect to learn a few things here this evening. Thanks to LGF, I now have a Science folder in my desktop favourites. Go, science!

Tell me. Is it possible in this day and age to believe that God created the universe and not be accused of being a creationist?

It looks to me like you've been misled SkippyMoment:

Mandated Teaching of Islam in California Public Schools-Truth! & Fiction!

Educators with whom TruthOrFiction.com has spoken, however, say that they feel that the article sensationalized the issue and included some misinformation. It left the impression that this new class on Islam had been "slipped" into California public schools and that the state was mandating activities such as had been described as happening in the Byron School District.

It's one district.

re: #65 EC Marm

Usually by this point, we've had our first demand for topic change, request for revocation of posting privileges, anguished plea to stop the decisiveness, informed that a $1000 check has been sent to the Discovery Institute, or fresh stale and repetitive talking point links have been posted.

Fixed that for you

re: #25 Charles

These things are possible IMHO.

Not that it would be a good idea, politically, to bandy it about.

Horatio:
O day and night, but this is wondrous strange!
Hamlet:
And therefore as a stranger give it welcome.
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.

— Willie the Shake.

re: #10 Charles

By the way, lots of rumors flying around about Bobby Jindal being McCain's VP pick. If that's the case, his support for creationism is going to be a serious issue.

Not sure about this one. Trinity Church is steeped in Creationism.

#73 tsflanagan

Sadly, I'd say yes it is. It is all in how you spin it. It's a load of carp, but yes some can.

[I used carp on porpoise]

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Now, now. Let's not be Nehru-minded.

Are you subjecting us to the old pun-jab?

re: #73 tsflanagan

yes.

re: #80 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Are you subjecting us to the old pun-jab?

Nah, it didn't Calcutta the mustard./

re: #72 Josephine

You just stole everybody's thunder! ;)

EC Marm- wye r oui mispeling awn porpoise?

*BARF*

(-:

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

ack!curry on folks.

#74 Sharmuta

Thanks for the linky and clarification. Melanie Morgan is a pitbull on some issues, and sometimes she puts bad info out there.

I haven't been in the bay area for a few years, and haven't updated my "knowledge" base on the issue. I'll file this away with the rest of the info.

re: #63 songbird

Don't worry about the ridicule. If you're a believer and get involved in any ministry--even ushering--you're going to see behavior in people that can only be described as demonic and stuff that will rate about 9.5 on your weird stuff-o-meter.

Jindal is Catholic (I believe-correct me if I am wrong) and probably charismatic--which is not uncommon in Louisiana. He's made a few missteps early in his term, but he doing OK. Neverthelss, he is still unseasoned in holding higher office and would be as much a political lightweight as Barry O.

re: #86 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*BARF*

(-:

Feeling sikh?

re: #71 SkippyMoment

I had always liked him also. That might have also been were I heard that. It is very disconcerting to me that Watts is even considering voting for Obama just because of the color of his skin. Similarly, when I am on Reserve Duty, politics very rarely or ever comes up. However, after hours at dinner it might. I get the impression that all to many Black Military personnel ( particularly enlisted ) may also be voting for Obama for that reason also.

re: #90 Bloodnok

Feeling sikh?

QUINTUPLE *BARF*

absolutely green with envy

re: #89 calcajun

you're going to see behavior in people that can only be described as demonic

True dat.

re: #33 EC Marm

I could have guest we'd have another ID thread. I hope we all use our incite to better disgust the topic.

/ Spell check holiday

Their ewe go a gin.

re: #69 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, God, please no. No more clothing puns. I want to put a collar on this nonsense real fast.

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

Jain in and Ganges up on them.

re: #92 buzzsawmonkey

Oh, come on. Everybody gets to Jain in.

I'm getting it from ALL directions!

re: #85 jim in virginia

EC Marm- wye r oui mispeling awn porpoise?

I'm trying to overcome my fear of homonyms by immersion therapy. Can't be accused of being homophobic, ya know.

OT: Los Angeles real estate today - the $47,000,000 condo.

Housing prices crashing left and right yessir.

re: #82 buzzsawmonkey

He's untouchable when it comes to these puns.

re: #88 SkippyMoment

Hey- no problem. I just wanted to know more and ran a search. That's what I found.

I'm being hammered by a gang of juvenile Delhiquints

re: #93 pre-Boomer Marine brat

QUINTUPLE *BARF*

absolutely green with envy

re: #98 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I'm getting it from ALL directions!

Stop being so Delhicate

To preface my comment, I was educated in Catholic schools from the 4th grade to the 12th grade. I do not see where ID excludes evolution and where evolution excludes ID. ID should be taught in the home/church and evolution taught in schools. I, for one, don't see a problem with this but I know that there are those who wish to muddy the waters. Shame on them!

re: #100 itellu3times

well the top 2 floors of a high rise can hardly be called a condo!

re: #89 calcajun

Don't worry about the ridicule. If you're a believer and get involved in any ministry--even ushering--you're going to see behavior in people that can only be described as demonic and stuff that will rate about 9.5 on your weird stuff-o-meter.

Jindal is Catholic (I believe-correct me if I am wrong) and probably charismatic--which is not uncommon in Louisiana. He's made a few missteps early in his term, but he doing OK. Neverthelss, he is still unseasoned in holding higher office and would be as much a political lightweight as Barry O.

I agree with you that he's not ready for the VP slot and still needs to test his mettle in the Governor slot - which is where he belongs. I think he will do a great job bringing some healing to the state of Louisiana.

And....I have seen my share of the weird-o meter-stuff. Some of it was very legit! and ended up with a 'supernatural' outcome. Some of the 'demonic' stuff was usually a person who demanded more attention that the masses wanted to give him. Whoop de doo!

re: #100 itellu3times

OT: Los Angeles real estate today - the $47,000,000 condo.

Housing prices crashing left and right yessir.

Does that price include the carbon off sets?

In case Jindal is placed on the ticket (something out of our control) I figure that the attacks will come in quickly on creationism and exorcism.

Catholics make up a very significant portion of the Midwest/Ohio Valley swing states - Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, etc.

The attacks on Jindal could turn out to be counter-productive for a "Change", "Hope" and inclusion based candidacy of Obama. Catholics could turn quickly against Obama as another liberal demagogue.

Why? Exorcism is actually a sanctioned rite within Catholicism. Jindal, by the accounts I have just read, did not lead the mentioned exorcism, but participated in it. Catholics are entitled to their beliefs and ritual, however bizzare they appear to others. As for creationism / ID, that too (as we have witnessed here) can make for divisive debate.

Jindal may be bait to get the Obama surrogates to "open the gates of hell" in terms of negative campaigning.

That creates a huge opening for McCain, and lets him run a FUD line of attack throughout that swing belt and could tip things his way in Ohio and PA.

/I accept that I may be working hard to rationalize a Jindal pick.

re: #105 Bloodnok

Stop being so Delhicate

HAH!
I beat you by one post!
BLEEAH!

re: #104 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Yes, but comments like yours Calcuttas in both directions.

91 Nevergiveup

Voting for Obama because he is black is as stupid as voting for Hillary because she is a woman, or Huckabee because he is Christian and was a Minister.

I'm not happy about McCain being our candidate. I'd much rather have Thompson, but he didn't run, and he couldn't win.

I'm pragmatic, and see less danger in McCain as our President than any other candidate.

I voted for Arnold when the CA voter recalled Gray Davis. I was pragmatic then too. Arnold is a disaster as govenor. I'm hopeful that McCain will do better.

re: #9 The Other Les

I have used open office very little. Did a little research. It is similar to MS Office and appears to be in the headers. See if this tutorial will help at all.

[Link: www.brainstorminc.com...]

Go to the bottom of the page and there is a flash demo also.

It is showing it in the footers, but I think the same theory would apply in the headers. I don't have it installed on this computer, so I can't test it here.

re: #113 calcajun

Yes, but comments like yours Calcuttas in both directions.

I'm getting my atlas down off the shelf. I need some Cochin.

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

It is Agra-vating, is it not?

Ben-gali, I thought we were out of puns.

re: #112 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You all should learn to Goa your own separate ways.

*BARF*

re: #116 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That's cheating. If you're caught, you'll be Kashmired from the service.

re: #35 SkippyMoment

We studied Revelations and James Joyce (along with others) in my high school AP English class. Boy was that an interesting class (to say the least).

re: #116 pre-Boomer Marine brat

This India pun eposide Goa on at length

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

Is that the handy-dandy thread foreshortener?

Oh, I hope not!

re: #120 calcajun

That's cheating. If you're caught, you'll be Kashmired from the service.

If Mandy were in the room, I'd make a pun based upon ... Himalaya ... but, of course, I won't.

/survival instinct

re: #121 buzzsawmonkey

voting for Obama because he's white

roflmao

re: #123 buzzsawmonkey

OK--you're really pushing your Lucknow.

re: #124 Ojoe

This India pun eposide Goa on at length

Hang around, it'll get Veda

re: #73 tsflanagan

Tell me. Is it possible in this day and age to believe that God created the universe and not be accused of being a creationist?

I believe God created the universe. i consider the big bang to be his doing. And the supremely clever mechanisms that we keep discovering (through science, BTW) indicate to me a creator showing off. We have much more to figure out. None of it undermines my faith in God.

I just don't buy the idea that God thought "Oh - I didn't anticipate the need for an eye, so here you go!"

Our understanding of Evolution (and gravity, sub atomic physics, and a whole host of things) is incomplete. That doesn't mean that God is in there pulling strings we can't understand. I like to think God revels in the complexity of his creation as it constantly morphs, and as we try to discover more. Just like a parent loves to watch his 5 year old play soccer.

re: #129 calcajun

These puns make me Ganesh my teeth

re: #124 Ojoe

Ha--that's mine pun, idea thief! See #118

There's too many puns in this rheum, he spat.

re: #133 calcajun

I stepped out for coffee

re: #132 Ojoe

We're really Johdpuring it on now.

re: #129 calcajun

OK--you're really pushing your Lucknow.

This is heading into a Black Hole

re: #126 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You could ask if her favorite Floyd song is "Vishnu Were Here" and not get thumped.

#121 buzzsawmonkey

LOL... Are you sure McCain isn't a woman? Just kidding, I know he isn't, but he's running Hillary's campaign all over again.

re: #132 Ojoe

You're outta Lucknow.

re: #139 StPatrick

You could ask if her favorite Floyd song is "Vishnu Were Here" and not get thumped.

Her reply might be a real Shakti

(two levels on THAT one *grin*)

re: #114 SkippyMoment

I agree whole-heartedly about Thompson. I am still agravated by his inability or unwillingness to run a stronger campaign. I have no doubt that he would have won the nomination if he had been more agressive about it. Unfortunately McCain is going to be the lesser of evils here. As I have said before, I just wish there was someone that I could vote for instead of having to vote against Obama.

re: #136 Ojoe

re: #139 StPatrick

Hyderabad set o'puns here!

re: #11 skippyMoment

Reality is what it is. The fact that YOU are not convinced of something, or that YOU do not believe it, has absolutely nothing to do with whether it is true or not.

If you've got verifiable evidence to present, that casts doubt upon the theory of evolution through natural selection as an explanation for biodiversity, then please speak up.

So far all you've offered is the fact that you're not convinced, implying that it is somehow necessary to convince you. Well I've got news for you bub, IT ISN'T. Your beliefs are utterly irrelevant. Your opinions are not the metric by which the truth is measured. Objective reality is not beholden to your subjective opinion, and neither are the people who study it.

I shall forever Singh the praises of this thread

Oops. That beeping sound is my Stoufers French Bread Pizza. Gotta run. Later Lizards.

Dang, I Meshaal'ed the fun.

Various people had mentioned “cdesign proponentsists” in comments in different threads. I knew it had to be funny but I didn't know what it meant. I'm glad to finally know the story behind it. The person who caught that is very clever indeed.

It is interesting that the National Center for Science Education ended the video with: "if the teaching of Evolution is under attack in your town..."

They seem to think it's a serious problem that could affect more than one part of the country.

re: #146 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I shall forever Singh the praises of this thread

Statements like that do not Indira you to me.

re: #148 mich-again

Don't worry; nobody's Khaled this particular ID thread yet.

We're all Sukkars for bad puns. (Technically, it's in Pakistan, but that used ot be part of India)

I appear to have had the last pun.
I shall therefore rub Mysore fingers and declare myself the winner.

re: #152 calcajun

We're all Sukkars for bad puns. (Technically, it's in Pakistan, but that used ot be part of India)

Yeah and see how well that worked out!

re: #140 SkippyMoment

#121 buzzsawmonkey

LOL... Are you sure McCain isn't a woman? Just kidding, I know he isn't, but he's running Hillary's campaign all over again.

Skippymoment, nic must after the joke?

Young woman goes to boyfriends house for a meal and to meet the parents. At the dinner table, she feel the need to, well, let a little wind out, just a small one, so lifts a cheek and there is a small, almost indiscernible "puft". "Did anyone notice" she thinks. The dad looks at the dog lying next to her chair..."Skippy"

Thinking she got away with that, she needed to let another one out.... so up with the cheek and "pweeeeft" oh dear.

Skippy!

Good, the dogs getting the blame, just one more.

"PPAAAAARRRRRRRRRPPPPPP"

SKIPPY, FOR THE LOVE OF MIKE GET OUTA THERE BEFORE SHE CRAPS ON YA.

#122 Dolphin

I believe people can study the bible without bringing religion into it, even when it is on passages that are central to the Christian faith. Heck, I see archeologist and "PHd.'s" on the History Channel, Discovery Channel, and TLC prove that in almost every show, including the ones that are specifically on the bible!

I particulally love when the question the faith and beliefs of the Israelites from David and pre-David archeologial sites. Well we found all these broken idols of Baal and other god, so I don't think the Israelites were all that committed to their faith. BINGO! And if they'd bother to read 1Kings, 2Kings, 1Samuel, and 2Samual and even earlier books, they'd find that what they found supports completely what the bible documented was going on. Pinhead!

I hate sloppy science as much as I hate biased reporting in the MSM.

re: #84 Sharmuta

You just stole everybody's thunder! ;)

I left out:

- I don't have a dog in this fight, but...
- For an uninterested person, you sure are dropping a lot of ID quotes.

- Hitler was a Christian.
- Oh, no he wasn't.

/Ooops.

re: #150 Nevergiveup

The old joke- what's difference between Indira Ghandi and a golf course?

The golf course has only 18 holes.

I know, it's bad.

re: #78 USA

Not sure about this one. Trinity Church is steeped in Creationism.

That's all under the bus now.

/We used to say "under the bridge" but English is a living language...

You guys are giving me Indiagestion.

re: #99 EC Marm

I'm trying to overcome my fear of homonyms by immersion therapy. Can't be accused of being homophobic, ya know.

I'm Presbyterian. We dont immerse, we sprinkle.

re: #154 Nevergiveup

It's been fine for the Indians. The Pakistanis have gotten hosed, though.

EC Marm, is that a Kashmir sweater you have on?

Speaking of puns, I saw on my professor's door a note

"Gone chopin, bach in a minuet"
Some bright spark had scrawled underneath "on Debussey"

re: #153 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Nope, this could go on for awhile. I'm Ganga grab a cold beer and see how long it lasts.

re: #150 Nevergiveup

Statements like that do not Indira you to me.

Good one!
I hadn't figured out how to use her yet!

re: #163 Jim in Virginia

OK. We're repeating the puns now. Everyone, out of the Ganges and back to your atlas

re: #89 calcajun

Don't worry about the ridicule. If you're a believer and get involved in any ministry--even ushering--you're going to see behavior in people that can only be described as demonic and stuff that will rate about 9.5 on your weird stuff-o-meter.

Are you saying people on LGF are demonic if they "ridicule" someone's comment?

re: #165 StPatrick

Nope, this could go on for awhile. I'm Ganga grab a cold beer and see how long it lasts.

I'll be here when you Kama 'gain

re: #158 calcajun

The old joke- what's difference between Indira Ghandi and a golf course?

The golf course has only 18 holes.

I know, it's bad.

Actually I never heard that. It's not bad. Well it was bad for Indira, but she should have vetted her body guards better.

re: #164 A Kiwi Infidel

Saw one on the toilet in college. A note left on the commode read "Wiggle handel". Some one wrote on it, "Will he wiggle bach?

re: #169 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Like I said, I'll Sita while.

re: #167 calcajun

OK. We're repeating the puns now. Everyone, out of the Ganges and back to your atlas

I take it this doesn't suttee well with you?

If McCain picks Jindal it he'll commit political suicide. Any center left voters will be gone. Those who are educated in the sciences, have been taught since a young age to think rationally and to respect the separation of church and state will believe he's gone to far to pander to the religious right.

I can reconcile my differences with some of McCain's more socially conservative positions, but a VP like Jindal? I am now lost as to what to do with my vote. I would never vote for the Obamination, I here the racist anti-semite Cynthia McKinney is trying to become the Green candidate. Nader is an ass. Where the hell is the militarily strong, fiscally conservative, liberally inclined live and let live type guy/gal?

I hope McCain stays away from the religious zealots and picks a strong VP who can counter Obama's control of the center and center left voters as it stands now.

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I know. That makes me a thug.

143 Ford_Prefect

If Thompson had been more proactive, had a decent campaign staff, and had gotten the word out about the wealth of information and white papers he had on his website... hell, shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Sadly, not Thompson.

I'm voting against Obama, but considering there are other choices: Nader, Bob Barr, and what's-her-name that changed parties when she moved to CA... I guess I'm really voting for McCain. I will be bringing my clothes pin to the voting booth though.

re: #176 buzzsawmonkey

I'm gonna hurl. That was bad.

re: #171 calcajun

Vindaloo has jokes in it, you can read AND pee.

145 leereyno

Thanks for sharing, and right back at ya.

/unimpressed

re: #160 Racer X

You guys are giving me Indiagestion.

I don't want to be accused of being wooden, but I'm board.

re: #181 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, they can't all be gems. To succeed you must be willing to fail.

Yeah - throw it up against the wall.

You know, where else but in America can you have a thread bashing ID end up with a bunch of inane puns about India. What a great country and website!

Ahmadabad mannn.

re: #184 calcajun

You know, where else but in America can you have a thread bashing ID end up with a bunch of inane puns about India. What a great country and website!

Are you trying to jindle us?

re: #157 Josephine

You forgot the most famous:

-What testable, falsifiable hypotheses does ID put forth? What testable, falsifiable theories have been presented by the DI? On what grounds can the DI claim that ID is a scientific theory?

Heehee.

re: #184 calcajun

You know, where else but in America can you have a thread bashing ID end up with a bunch of inane puns about India. What a great country and website!

Amen

re: #185 mich-again

and we here at Castle Anthrax have only one punishment for you...

re: #184 calcajun

The puns are branching out beyond India, but as far as America goes, I Sura-gree with you.

re: #156 SkippyMoment

I agree! In fact, I find now, later on in life, the Bible, when studied for/from historical purposes (Old Testament) much more interesting and easy to understand and actually apply the religious aspect to once the history is better understood.

Although, that aspect was not tolerated in my childhood household. My father is a Conservative Baptist Minister (now retired).

Holy cow! When will it end?

re: #177 SkippyMoment

143 Ford_Prefect

If Thompson had been more proactive, had a decent campaign staff, and had gotten the word out about the wealth of information and white papers he had on his website... hell, shoulda, woulda, coulda.

Sadly, not Thompson.

I'm voting against Obama, but considering there are other choices: Nader, Bob Barr, and what's-her-name that changed parties when she moved to CA... I guess I'm really voting for McCain. I will be bringing my clothes pin to the voting booth though.

I come to think that Thompson jumped in with little idea of what was required and when he did realize it, let the campaign die on the vine. He seemed serious about it at first, but as time went by, he convinced me otherwise.

#155 kiwi

Poor Skippy!

Did you see "Ten"... the poor dog got blamed for the priest all the time!

re: #184 calcajun

You know, where else but in America can you have a thread bashing ID end up with a bunch of inane puns about India. What a great country and website!

Yes we are easily distrac ooh look! a yummy moth!

re: #192 mich-again

Brahmably not for some time.

re: #190 StPatrick

Khmer and say that to my face.

re: #192 mich-again

Holy cow! When will it end?

When y'all run out of Punjabs.

re: #187 Sharmuta

Thank you, Shar.

To tell you the truth, I couldn't remember how it went, so I hoped someone would mention it! I've hearted your comment for future reference.

Like taking Kandia from a baby.

Because creationism is a requirement of the religious.

/sigh

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

The word on Thompson all along was that he was not a hard worker. Guess so.

Nope, the puns have to stay on the subject of India.

The die has been caste!

re: #199 Josephine

LOL- I have Slumbering Behemoth hearted to just for that purpose!

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

And here I was singh-ing your praises.

Bobby Jindal's stance on Terror:

Fight terrorists wherever the hide, keeping them on the run with broad strategies to disrupt terrorist's resources and operations. Prevent the proliferation of Weapons of Mass Destruction, as terrorist groups attempt to steal discarded or unprotected Cold War era weapons materials. Prevent countries such as North Korea and Iran from developing nuclear weapons and missile technologies. Continue to make the tracking of terrorist financing the center of America's counterterrorism efforts.

Link....
/naw, throw him under the bus, he's got a crucifix in his pocket

re: #197 calcajun

Khmer and say that to my face.

(Not India, but very good!)

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Fine...I met a new girl the other night, but I can't tell if she Lakshmi.

re: #11 skippyMoment

I believe there is plenty of evidence to support micro-evolution, but I've yet to see concrete proof of macro-evolution -- one species evolving into another species. I respectfully disagree with those who believe otherwise.

From one of Charles previous entries:

Darwin’s surprise almost certainly would be mixed with delight: when he suggested, in “The Descent of Man” (1871), that humans and apes shared a common ancestor, it was a revolutionary idea, and it remains one today. Yet nothing provides more convincing evidence for the “theory” of evolution than the viruses contained within our DNA. Until recently, the earliest available information about the history and the course of human diseases, like smallpox and typhus, came from mummies no more than four thousand years old. Evolution cannot be measured in a time span that short. Endogenous retroviruses provide a trail of molecular bread crumbs leading millions of years into the past.

Darwin’s theory makes sense, though, only if humans share most of those viral fragments with relatives like chimpanzees and monkeys. And we do, in thousands of places throughout our genome. If that were a coincidence, humans and chimpanzees would have had to endure an incalculable number of identical viral infections in the course of millions of years, and then, somehow, those infections would have had to end up in exactly the same place within each genome. The rungs of the ladder of human DNA consist of three billion pairs of nucleotides spread across forty-six chromosomes. The sequences of those nucleotides determine how each person differs from another, and from all other living things. The only way that humans, in thousands of seemingly random locations, could possess the exact retroviral DNA found in another species is by inheriting it from a common ancestor.

Site: [Link: www.newyorker.com...]

That's a really handy article :)

re: #207 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ah, been fun, but gotta run. later

re: #201 lazardo

Because creationism is a requirement of the religious.

/sigh

Not necessarily.

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Open the Bombay doors, captain!

re: #198 Sharmuta

When y'all run out of Punjabs.

We're wading through the Gupta the end.

What you call a sloppy cut&paste job, I call a typo when a finger hit two keys located one above the other.

re: #208 StPatrick

Fine...I met a new girl the other night, but I can't tell if she Lakshmi.

You'll have to curry her favor.

Is this still going? I was Ghandi for awhile and I come back to find it's still going strong. Enough is enough if you Rishikesh my drift.

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

I HAVE come to think that Thompson jumped in with little idea of what was required and when he did realize it, let the campaign die on the vine. He seemed serious about it at first, but as time went by, he convinced me otherwise.

Jeez, go away for a week and I lose my ability to proofread before posting. PIMF.

re: #192 mich-again

Holy cow! When will it end?

Damn! That was a sleeper. I didn't get it at first. *salute*

re: #193 CyanSnowHawk

I come to think that Thompson jumped in with little idea of what was required and when he did realize it, let the campaign die on the vine. He seemed serious about it at first, but as time went by, he convinced me otherwise.

I'm biased, but I think Thompson was there without a clue as well, but stayed long enough to trip up Huckabee.

re: #174 steveoh

Thing is that Obama doesn't have control over the center.

Independents are for McCain by a margin of 6 point (IIRC from today's Rasmussen #s). McCain also leads in other demographics.

The headwind is in two areas - non whites and yutes/turnout.

Jindal may be a non white play, but I don't see it panning out.

For the yutes, the pollsters are looking at the Obama crowds and figuring that the turnout numbers are going to be high for those under 30 and are factoring that into their numbers. "Likely voter" used to discount the under 30 preferences but this time things are different.

That is why Obama looks so strong (even though he is in the margin of error). Take that away / runn the polls against prior likely voter models and McCain would be ahead (albeit not by much).

Jindal is young, non white, and a poster boy of conservatives. Especially his conversion to Catholicism. Those are the factors in play.

I don't much like the ID law he recently signed, and the exorcism crap is kinda cultish (and I am a Catholic) but there are solid reasons for picking the guy. Especially his ability to stick a fork in the eye of machine Democrats, which he has done in Louisiana.

As I stated prior, any kerfuffle from his nomination creates openings for McCain and gets him firmly on a Roveian electoral map (which is a winning map).

We may just be re-Mahareshing already used puns at this point.

re: #211 songbird

Ya srsly. As I've said before, there are two successive accounts of creation in Genesis (Gen 1:24-31, 6th day and Gen 2:4-24, man created first) and evolution did not happen in six days.

re: #212 lazardo

Open the Bombay doors, captain!

Hush. We should be Mumbai the Great Lizard's command.

#191 Dolphin

Some of the best bible studies I've participated have been from a geo-political view point. I also appreciate the value the OT hold in learning about the past, especially the in the history of the middle east.

Check out Chuck Missler's website if you really want to open your mind to new ways to study the bible and apply the lessons to you life, and what is going on in the world. Missler was calling out the danger of Islam before anyone else was paying attention.

Back to archeology, it aggravates the beegeebers out of me to hear them postulating and speculating about what the remains of one tiny piece of pottery means. Hello! You have one hell of an imagination there Bingo. Now how 'bout some facts to back up what you are spewing as facts. Geeze already. I love a good yarn, but to say advance it as facts is a bit much.

re: #194 SkippyMoment

Can't recall I'm afraid. Not the 10 with Bo Derek in it, although I cant recall a priest in that, just a fine pair of sneakers.

Oh G!d? Did you do this on purpose or is this just a cosmic joke?

With these clowns I'm surprised some of the letters aren't backwards;

Iиtelligeиt Desigи Я' Us

re: #220 songbird

I'm biased, but I think Thompson was there without a clue as well, but stayed long enough to trip up Huckabee.

Enough so that we wound up with McCain. Not by design I think, but this is politics.

re: #214 RhymesWithRight

What you call a sloppy cut&paste job, I call a typo when a finger hit two keys located one above the other.

Very first comment.
Want a mulligan?

re: #217 buzzsawmonkey

Now it's just a bunch of Sahib-stories.

Raj!

#193

Thompson's heart wasn't in it no matter what he said, and people knew he couldn't win; so they didn't vote for him.

I was ready to pull the lever for him anyway, but by time my state had its primary, he'd already withdrawn. I considered voting for Pat Paulson, but he's been dead for about 20+ years now.

[did I just give away my age?]

re: #230 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Raj!

We're not all RajRajRajs- it's High Five Club.

re: #232 buzzsawmonkey

They are become death, destroyer of worlds.

re: #231 SkippyMoment

#193

Thompson's heart wasn't in it no matter what he said, and people knew he couldn't win; so they didn't vote for him.

I was ready to pull the lever for him anyway, but by time my state had its primary, he'd already withdrawn. I considered voting for Pat Paulson, but he's been dead for about 20+ years now.

[did I just give away my age?]

So Paulson's voting for Obama then?

re: #235 CyanSnowHawk

If he lives in Chicago, that's a big ten-four.

re: #234 StPatrick

No Shiva.

re: #231 SkippyMoment

#193

Thompson's heart wasn't in it no matter what he said, and people knew he couldn't win; so they didn't vote for him.

I was ready to pull the lever for him anyway, but by time my state had its primary, he'd already withdrawn. I considered voting for Pat Paulson, but he's been dead for about 20+ years now.

[did I just give away my age?]

Well that "depends"?

BBL folks, time for Gunga Din

re: #11 skippyMoment

I agree, it is a new twist on creationism.

I know there have been heated debates as to whether or not this should be taught in classrooms. As a Christian, I support the general idea of offering the alternative "theory" in schools. I say "theory" because if it is presented as such, I believe it can provide another view point to the discussion. I'd rather creation be taught directly, but that would never happen in a secular school.

Creationism, ID, or whatever you call it, is not a scientific theory, and does not belong in public high school science classes. It's sectarian religious dogma. It's untestable, and there's not a shred of empirical evidence in its favor.

I believe there is plenty of evidence to support micro-evolution, but I've yet to see concrete proof of macro-evolution -- one species evolving into another species. I respectfully disagree with those who believe otherwise.

It's not a matter of belief; it's a matter of looking at the DNA, including the artifactual retroviral DNA, and statistically calculating that the probability of it being as it is (so much of it shared), instead of being other ways, in the absence of common ancestors for divergent species, asymptotically approaches nil.

I also believe there is enough evidence, and that science and quantum physic has, in the process of answering some of their questions, moved closer to proving that something started all of this.

All that has been proven is the existence of a beginNING (the Big Bang), not a beginNER.

In any case, I respectfully disagree with those who are dyed-in-the-wool evolutionists. In time, the truth of this all will out, so until then, let the debate continue.

There is no scientific debate, because only one side has all of the credible empirical science; the evolutionary theory side.

re: #192 mich-again

Holy cow! When will it end?

Gomata

re: #202 Nevergiveup

The word on Thompson all along was that he was not a hard worker. Guess so.

 I don't know if Thompson was a hard worker or not. I do know he disliked campaigning. I think he disliked the whole smooching deal.  To me that was his appeal. He was not a pragmatic politician. He had a principle that guided him. I strongly agree with him when he said that the process we use to choose a president has little to do with what kind of president he/she will make. Campaigning is about looking and sounding good on T.V.,and has been since Nixon/Kennedy flop sweat. Being president,You will spend 99.9% of the time forming and implementing policy. We need a leader who has sound policy regardless of his T.V. persona just my opinion.

re: #201 lazardo

Because creationism is a requirement of the some religious.

Slight correction.

re: #223 lazardo

Ya srsly. As I've said before, there are two successive accounts of creation in Genesis (Gen 1:24-31, 6th day and Gen 2:4-24, man created first) and evolution did not happen in six days.

I don't really believe creation occurred in six literal days either.

re: #234 StPatrick

They are become death, destroyer of worlds.

Good one. I'd been tempted to post a comment offering five bucks for a pun on "Bhagavad Gita". Hadn't because it might be in bad taste.

Off to college. See y'all on the open threads...

Video of a guy getting hit Indra groin:

re: #241 Josephine

from that link...

the secret that in the hairs on the body of the mother cow the gods are dwelling*,

That makes about as much sense as ID.

re: #242 n in wi

But an uncharismatic politician cannot get elected President. The TV medium won't allow it.

re: #214 RhymesWithRight

What you call a sloppy cut&paste job, I call a typo when a finger hit two keys located one above the other.

It's okay, folks, he's not talking to himself: he's talking on his cell phone.

/

re: #225 SkippyMoment

Got a link?

Without doing a lot of research about six months ago I ran across two completely unrelated articles (maybe one was on TV, don't remember now). But archeologist's from the Turkey area discovered a coin that had a symbol on it that was tied to the time and sect of early Jews (Abraham era). About a month later there was another similar coin (if I remember correctly) discovered in the excavation around the Temple mount. Two completely different studies. Two completely different digs. I think the one in Turkey was being excavated because the area was soon going to be flooded due to a dam being built. I found it very interesting. The symbols were identical.

re: #203 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The constitution outlaws cruel and unusual pun-ishment!

I detect fanaticism.

209 basho

thanks for the long post, the information is interesting. I'm not quite sure I'm grasping your point, if you had one in particular (no disrespect intended by that).

I keep coming back to the bilge I was taught in school about the evolutionary chain from apes to man, including Piltdown (sp?) man. This step or link in the chain was a fabrication by sloppy scientist who took a skull of a monkey and the bones of another "animal" that was found hundreds of yards away, and then put them together. There reasoning was, they were "close enough together" that they must be the same creature that was "separated" by a predator. No evidence this happened, just their speculation promoted as facts. It is now generally accepted that Pildown man is a hoax.

I know science is a guessing game when it comes to palenotology and archeology, but really.

Anyway, I'm open to real science proving macro-evolution if it is ever found, but until then I'll keep to my beliefs on the matter. And I don't much care if anyone else agrees, likes it, or thinks I'm an idiot. [not that you implied that in any way, just saying ;-) ]

re: #244 songbird

Doesn't make you that "faithful" then...

/BBL

I'm sorry, I don't see where one point of view precludes the other from a plausible thesis. Both views can co-exist. They only require a different venue for support. I suspect that it is the venue that arises the ire found in most ID/Evolution threads. ID belongs in the home/church venue where evolution belongs in the educational system. IMHO, to pursue the ID thesis in the educational venue exhibits a weakness in it's supporters belief system that I want no part of.

re: #253 Boondock St. Bender

The constitution outlaws cruel and unusual pun-ishment!

*guilty*

(I hope)

re: #240 Salamantis

All that has been proven is the existence of a beginNING (the Big Bang), not a beginNER.

I wonder why science has accepted the big bang theory that biblical literalists love, and accepted evolutionary theory that biblical literalists hate. Could it be that that science is objective and isn't out to prove or disprove religion? :O

re: #244 songbird

I don't really believe creation occurred in six literal days either.

OOhhhhhhhh, you'll get kicked out of the Baptist Union for that one!

re: #254 Reno911

I detect fanaticism.

Self examination is a commendable virtue.

re: #254 Reno911

What is that supposed to mean?

re: #244 songbird

I don't really believe creation occurred in six literal days either.

I created my daughter ( with some help from my wife ) in one night and I remember the night!

re: #261 A Kiwi Infidel

Self examination is a commendable virtue.

And recommended to detect both Breast and Testicular cancer.

re: #248 mich-again

from that link...

That makes about as much sense as ID.

"For those who believe only in tangible proof, [think of] the abundant kindness of the mother cow, what might be the pleasure of eating grass the whole life and donating milk and ghee which contains nutritive matter? If they have been so grateful to gomata (mother cow), then afterwards might they not weigh up a small portion of humaneness. The mother cow is by way of an advantage to human society, to him who this is completely apparent, several thousand pages of books will be written. In brief it can be said that the mother cow is an advantage to the society of man, from this the human race is always indebted to the mother cow."

I've been inside dairy farms. Those cows aren't doing it out of kindness.

re: #254 Reno911

Où?

re: #89 calcajun

Don't worry about the ridicule. If you're a believer and get involved in any ministry--even ushering--you're going to see behavior in people that can only be described as demonic and stuff that will rate about 9.5 on your weird stuff-o-meter.

calcajun,

Who's being demonic? I'd really like to know.

re: #249 CyanSnowHawk

Agreed, just saying there are a lot of uncharismatic folks doing some phenomenal works. And some highly charismatic dunces. One of the latter comes to mind, can't remember his name Barry,or Backtrack Obey ,or something like that.

re: #255 SkippyMoment

209 basho

thanks for the long post, the information is interesting. I'm not quite sure I'm grasping your point, if you had one in particular (no disrespect intended by that).

I keep coming back to the bilge I was taught in school about the evolutionary chain from apes to man, including Piltdown (sp?) man. This step or link in the chain was a fabrication by sloppy scientist who took a skull of a monkey and the bones of another "animal" that was found hundreds of yards away, and then put them together. There reasoning was, they were "close enough together" that they must be the same creature that was "separated" by a predator. No evidence this happened, just their speculation promoted as facts. It is now generally accepted that Pildown man is a hoax.

I know science is a guessing game when it comes to palenotology and archeology, but really.

Anyway, I'm open to real science proving macro-evolution if it is ever found, but until then I'll keep to my beliefs on the matter. And I don't much care if anyone else agrees, likes it, or thinks I'm an idiot. [not that you implied that in any way, just saying ;-) ]

I was just trying to show evidence for macro-evolution does exist. It's not something that biologists except on faith. The proof is out there :)

Piltdown Man was an unfortunate hoax that scientists themselves eventually uncovered. These things happen but it doesn't hurt evolutionary theory in the least.

OT: Uhoh, looks like John Edwards is gunning for the VP spot.

SEN. JOHN EDWARDS CAUGHT WITH MISTRESS AND LOVE CHILDl!

re: #221 karmic_inquisitor

I could never bring myself to vote for a ticket which included Jindal. Specifically because of his views on creationism. One independent vote lost. But NY has as much a chance going to McCain as Obama not throwing someone else under the bus.

fanaticism
noun
excessive intolerance of opposing views

re: #270 CyanSnowHawk

OT: Uhoh, looks like John Edwards is gunning for the VP spot.

SEN. JOHN EDWARDS CAUGHT WITH MISTRESS AND LOVE CHILDl!

VP--Vile person?