keep them OUT

First, aallaa he roll out the big carpet, and that is why the earth is flat.

Stop laughing, uckmid, I cutta offa ya head.

The circle is unbroken.

/that wasn't the circle I was taught about

And, as Forrest Gump said, that is all I gotta say about dat.

I think it's only natural that a die-hard islamist would support the rejection of reason and logic. Exposing muslims to reason and logic is a bit counterproductive for islam.

re: #5 Sharmuta

I think it's only natural that a die-hard islamist would support the rejection of reason and logic. Exposing muslims to reason and logic is a bit counterproductive for islam.

That is one of the greater understatements I've heard in a long time.

Reality check again:

Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI, recently restated his (and Pope John Paul's) argument. As MSNBC reported, Pope Benedict has referred to the debate between creationists and supporters of evolutionary theory as an "absurdity":
"They are presented as alternatives that exclude each other," the pope said. "This clash is an absurdity because on one hand there is much scientific proof in favor of evolution, which appears as a reality that we must see and which enriches our understanding of life and being as such."
On the other hand, there are certain questions that evolutionary theory can never answer: "Above all it does not answer the great philosophical question, 'Where does everything come from?'" Christians, thus, can learn truth from science, but scientists must learn to accept the limits of their own work. No scientific investigation can ever prove that God does not exist, or that He did not create the world, or even that man is only the sum of his physical parts.

Link

Islamic terrorists are bad people
Islamic terrorists tend to be creationists

Ergo! Creationists are bad people!

You kids are so brilliant.

re: #6 pre-Boomer Marine brat

That is one of the greater understatements I've heard in a long time.

You can say that again!
That is one of the greater understatements I've heard in a long time.
You can say that again!
That is one of the greater understatements I've heard in a long time.
You.....

My beliefs are conservative, reform, Christian, fundamentalist even, whatever you might call it, but I know that allowing ID into schools is opening the door to the Yahyas , the scientologists, every belief system with a claim to the real "origins ", a nightmare of crackpots and political correctness.

Same with prayer in school. It had its day and now that day is gone. Opening the door to that would as well lead to half a day's worth of the beseeching of numerous deities.

"No " is simple and clear.
"Yes" is a ghastly minefield.

'The collapse of the rational thought process'

re: #8 george slivers

Islamic terrorists are bad people
Islamic terrorists tend to be creationists

Ergo! Creationists are bad people!

You kids are so brilliant.

Go piss up a rope.

re: #10 paint-right

My beliefs are conservative, reform, Christian, fundamentalist even, whatever you might call it, but I know that allowing ID into schools is opening the door to the Yahyas , the scientologists, every belief system with a claim to the real "origins ", a nightmare of crackpots and political correctness.

Same with prayer in school. It had its day and now that day is gone. Opening the door to that would as well lead to half a day's worth of the beseeching of numerous deities.

"No " is simple and clear.
"Yes" is a ghastly minefield.

kinda like dating?

re: #10 paint-right

My beliefs are conservative, reform, Christian, fundamentalist even, whatever you might call it, but I know that allowing ID into schools is opening the door to the Yahyas , the scientologists, every belief system with a claim to the real "origins ", a nightmare of crackpots and political correctness.

Same with prayer in school. It had its day and now that day is gone. Opening the door to that would as well lead to half a day's worth of the beseeching of numerous deities.

"No " is simple and clear.
"Yes" is a ghastly minefield.

Ditto. My kid can pray all he wants in school. Quietly, he can read his Bible in school. He will carry what he is taught at home to school.

Dating?

/rejected?

re: #13 Nevergiveup

kinda like dating?

LOL!

re: #8 george slivers

This should be interesting. Does everyone have their heavy duty troll cutlery handy?

re: #14 jcm

Ditto. My kid can pray all he wants in school. Quietly, he can read his Bible in school. He will carry what he is taught at home to school.

ditto squared
/but I forgot how to make that little 2

re: #12 jcm

Go piss up a rope.

Eloquent.

re: #7 Ojoe

Reality check again:

Link

A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

There is not room for an "intelligent designer" in RANDOM mutation or NATURAL selection.

The only logical basis and conclusion of Darwinism is philosophical materialism. But arguments based on circular reasoning are the hallmark of Darwinists.

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re: #18 paint-right

ditto squared
/but I forgot how to make that little 2

²
Click quote on this comment and you will see the superscript html tag.

Damn, I can't watch the video (sound card problems). Has anyone watched it yet?

re: #19 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Eloquent.

I had a great teacher ;-P

I tend to confuse creationists when I say The Laws Of Physics are Gods Rules on How HE set up the Universe.

They tend to look perplexed after that

re: #21 jcm

never mind completely FUBARed.

re: #8 george slivers

Do you use this same faulty logic in your work? You know- the papers you're so busy writing?

re: #18 paint-right

You can either go [sup]2[/sup] (replace the square brackets with the triangle ones) or use the HTML code "& sup2" (remove the space).

thanks to all these ID threads , My awareness has been heightened ...to all the science-related news items and so on.

I used to wonder about many things, among them:
the cowbird which lays its eggs in other birds' nests

and the whole world of pollination.
and fruit, come to think of it

the birds and the bees

re: #20 george slivers

A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

Would you like to pick one of those and call me that to my face?

re: #25 Jewels (AKA Julian)

I tend to confuse creationists when I say The Laws Of Physics are Gods Rules on How HE set up the Universe.

They tend to look perplexed after that

That works for me.

re: #24 jcm

I had a great teacher ;-P

Which one of the kids?

*duck*

re: #20 george slivers

kinda arrogant telling god how to run his universe aren't you.

re: #20 george slivers

A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

There is not room for an "intelligent designer" in RANDOM mutation or NATURAL selection.

The only logical basis and conclusion of Darwinism is philosophical materialism. But arguments based on circular reasoning are the hallmark of Darwinists.

Strong words about the Pope there george, make sure you don't cause a Catholic seeth.

re: #17 CyanSnowHawk

This should be interesting. Does everyone have their heavy duty troll cutlery handy?

Unlimbering.

...."is planning a series of subway train advertisements in Manhattan—during September—proselytizing for Islam..."

I sincerely hope the first ads are visible on September 11'th......

Well, you know, for those complaining that I'm not focusing like a laser on Islamic terrorism, you might consider this a "tie-in."

Any good excerpts?

re: #30 pre-Boomer Marine brat

don't waste your time,people say things online all the time,that they wouldn't have the stones to say to your face.civility to some is a thing of the past.(kinda shows their class)

re: #32 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Which one of the kids?

*duck*

Mandy, deals the *Whack*s round here.

re: #36 WhiteRasta

...."is planning a series of subway train advertisements in Manhattan—during September—proselytizing for Islam..."

I sincerely hope the first ads are visible on September 11'th......

Actually, there is a movement a foot to have them taken down. And the fact that they WILL be up during 9/11 has not gone unnoticed!

re: #20 george slivers

What testable, falsifiable hypotheses does ID put forth? What testable, falsifiable theories have been presented by the DI? On what grounds can the DI claim that ID is a scientific theory?

re: #20 george slivers

So now you're insulting Christians? You're an ass.

re: #39 Boondock St. Bender

don't waste your time,people say things online all the time,that they wouldn't have the stones to say to your face.civility to some is a thing of the past.(kinda shows their class)

Oh, I know, but I shut "Whiskey Rebel" up with it on the Krauthammer thread a few days ago. Maybe this guy is a coward too.

re: #20 george slivers

A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

There is not room for an "intelligent designer" in RANDOM mutation or NATURAL selection.

The only logical basis and conclusion of Darwinism is philosophical materialism. But arguments based on circular reasoning are the hallmark of Darwinists.

No I accept the evidence in God's creation.

re: #8 george slivers

Islamic terrorists are bad people
Islamic terrorists tend to be creationists

Ergo! Creationists are bad people!

You kids are so brilliant.

Well I am driven to say something else.

That is crap. If you believe that you are a sad sad case.

re: #20 george slivers

Slow learner? Or just a troll? Inquiring minds want to know.

Have you-all seen Snapped Shot's take on the subway ads? It's very good.

(I think it was WriterMom who posted it in the links under Humour.)

re: #48 Lynn B.

Slow learner? Or just a troll? Inquiring minds want to know.

I vote troll.

re: #48 Lynn B.

Slow learner? Or just a troll? Inquiring minds want to know.

*WHOOOOMP*

Lighting the TrollBQ!

Give it 5 more.

re: #44 Killgore Trout

So now you're insulting Christians? You're an ass.

We're not Christians if we don't believe the way he believes.

I think LudwigVanQuixote put it best just now on the thread downstairs:

There is a great argument by the Rambam (a very important rabbi/philosopher/doctor/scholastic/prot o-rationalist of the 12th and early 13th cent) that is germane to the conversation.

It goes like this:

1. The word of G-d can not be false.
2. What has been proven to be true can not be false by definition.

Therefore, if what has been proven to be true contradicts your understanding of the word of G-d, the only thing that can be incorrect is your understanding of the word of G-d.

Can Ludwig get an Amen?

re: #48 Lynn B.

Slow learner? Or just a troll? Inquiring minds want to know.

What's the diferance?

*runs to market to get troll bait*

re: #8 george slivers

You are an ass.

re: #53 Sharmuta

exellent

re: #41 Nevergiveup

Gosh! I hope they do not succeed in bringing the ads down.

I would really, really love to see the reaction of you Yanks to seeing that shoved in your faces.

I suspect the reaction may not be pretty.

I love you Yanks, especially because you lot are not Euro-Girly men....

re: #57 Boondock St. Bender

Who knew it would come in handy so soon?

Either that or it's Fred Leuchter.

(Just watched Errol Morris' Mr. Death again. Features some people who have been subjects of recent posts, e.g. David Irving.)

re: #53 Sharmuta

I think LudwigVanQuixote put it best just now on the thread downstairs:

Can Ludwig get an Amen?

AMEN.

re: #52 Josephine

We're not Christians if we don't believe the way he believes.

Oooo. Now where have we heard that before?

re: #58 WhiteRasta

Gosh! I hope they do not succeed in bringing the ads down.

I would really, really love to see the reaction of you Yanks to seeing that shoved in your faces.

I suspect the reaction may not be pretty.

I love you Yanks, especially because you lot are not Euro-Girly men....

Have you seen the Dem. presidential nominee?

re: #58 WhiteRasta

Gosh! I hope they do not succeed in bringing the ads down.

I would really, really love to see the reaction of you Yanks to seeing that shoved in your faces.

I suspect the reaction may not be pretty.

I love you Yanks, especially because you lot are not Euro-Girly men....

Well knowing both New Yorkers and subways, I am afriad people may start peeing on them, and in the hot summer- well you get the point.

re: #53 Sharmuta

AMEN !

Here we go again: when a group allies with Muslims on a topic of mutual interest, the Muslims end up as the last ones standing. See Iran: 1979 student revolution, commies, none left. I forget who wrote it (perhaps the author of Blackhawk Down), but there is an excellent and enormous account of the US embassy takeover in Iran, came out a few years ago?

re: #29 paint-right

thanks to all these ID threads , My awareness has been heightened ...to all the science-related news items and so on.

I used to wonder about many things, among them:
the cowbird which lays its eggs in other birds' nests

and the whole world of pollination.
and fruit, come to think of it

the birds and the bees

and the flowers and the trees
and the moon up above
and a thing called love.

:)

re: #53 Sharmuta

I think LudwigVanQuixote put it best just now on the thread downstairs:

Can Ludwig get an Amen?

Just went back and up-dinged him.

I watched the Hitchens - D'Souza debates on YouTube as a result of reading threads here.

I thought the evening this was filmed D'Souza was the better debator by far and he pinned Hitchens into a losing battle trying to explain that since the ultimate tyrant figure is the God of the bible, and that belief in God predisposes one to belief in a "glorious" leader, that that in addition to the inquisition etc (whose numbers D'Souza downplayed)the blood of the many athiest tyrants of the last century were also the fault of religion.

But D'Souza tried to make the "how do we know the laws of nature cannot be changed at God's will" argument which is to me at least very much in the easter bunny category of argument. I wonder if devout believers realize that an all powerful being ought not to have to be proved by the same types of arguments that you would use to prove Santa. Gods invisibility is more of a problem than the devout would admit, IMO. By and large D'Souza focused on the good ideas that Christianity has brought from the idea of a rational universe to the idea of free will, responsibility and inquiry all of which, he says, gave birth to the very science that Hitchen trys to wield.

Then I tried to watch the Hitchens - Rabbi Boteach debate but the Rabbi is so obviously talking for the sake of hearing his own voice that I had to trun it off. D'Souza was a much better match for Hitchens and as I said on this evening was more articulate. Also, as Hitchens joked in his opening, D'Souza is a true believer and that comes across.

Worth watching.

re: #34 CyanSnowHawk

Strong words about the Pope there george, make sure you don't cause a Catholic seeth.

Indeed, and when Catholics seethe they tend to say the Rosary

///It can get nasty...

re: #63 n in wi

Well, there is bound to be one in every crowd.......

Allah is all powerful. He's even evolving animals as we speak. Right here he put his own Allah brand right inside some poor cow.

Score one for the creationists!

re: #66 SFGoth

Mark Bowden is the author.

re: #34 CyanSnowHawk

Strong words about the Pope there george, make sure you don't cause a Catholic seeth.

The pope probably doesn't understand Darwinian evolution given the campaign of "bait and switch" used to mislead theists.

Typically it goes like this.

Darwinists:Look antibiotic resistance, that's evolution.
Theist: Sounds good I'll bite.
Darwinists: Oh by the way, now that you accept evolution, you must realize that the world and all it entails is due to chance and natural laws.

re: #20 george slivers

A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

There is not room for an "intelligent designer" in RANDOM mutation or NATURAL selection.

The only logical basis and conclusion of Darwinism is philosophical materialism. But arguments based on circular reasoning are the hallmark of Darwinists.

Go piddle up a thread.

re: #74 George Slivers

Kinda new here, aren't ya'?

re: #62 Lynn B.

Oooo. Now where have we heard that before?

You say it this time. I get in trouble when I say it.

/

re: #66 SFGoth

Here we go again: when a group allies with Muslims on a topic of mutual interest, the Muslims end up as the last ones standing. See Iran: 1979 student revolution, commies, none left. I forget who wrote it (perhaps the author of Blackhawk Down), but there is an excellent and enormous account of the US embassy takeover in Iran, came out a few years ago?

Guests of the Ayatollah: The First Battle in America's War with Militant Islam
by Mark Bowden

Good stuff.

re: #8 george slivers

Islamic terrorists are bad people
Islamic terrorists tend to be creationists

Ergo! Creationists are bad people!

You kids are so brilliant.

And you are not.

Registered 1 year, 55 posts.

Another one.

re: #66 SFGoth

Here we go again: when a group allies with Muslims on a topic of mutual interest, the Muslims end up as the last ones standing. See Iran: 1979 student revolution, commies, none left. I forget who wrote it (perhaps the author of Blackhawk Down), but there is an excellent and enormous account of the US embassy takeover in Iran, came out a few years ago?

Guests of the Ayatollah: The Iran Hostage Crisis: The First Battle in America's War with Militant Islam

re: #75 MandyManners

I think he already did.....

re: #74 George Slivers

Oh yeah. Definitely a troll.

Have fun with it. I've got a buffalo wing blue cheese pizza on the way ...

I am so much smarter than all of you. I am smarter than the Pope too. Nanernanernaner.

///

re: #75 MandyManners

Oh dear, now you've gone and pissed off Mandy. The BBQ ready yet jcm?

re: #74 George Slivers
God gave you a brain, use it for something besides a hat rack.

re: #76 CyanSnowHawk

Momentary OT ...
Cyan, heard anything about how the three Northrup guys are doing?

Point: Islam is looking for allies wherever they can find them. Hell, Europe turned into a doormat for them just from colonialist guilt. Islam will stick it's foot into whatever legal crack you make for them, and creationists are making a big legal crack.

Has anyone seen a george slivers?

re: #85 pingjockey

God gave you a brain, use it for something besides a hat rack.

I doubt the premiss of you first assertion.

re: #88 Walter L. Newton
I want to know what papers he's published so I can read them.

re: #85 pingjockey

God gave you a brain, use it for something besides a hat rack.

He is very smart. He writes peer reviewed essays and is a monucularbioproctopologicalphysiologist or somthing.

re: #74 George Slivers

The pope probably doesn't understand Darwinian evolution given the campaign of "bait and switch" used to mislead theists.

Typically it goes like this.

Darwinists:Look antibiotic resistance, that's evolution.
Theist: Sounds good I'll bite.
Darwinists: Oh by the way, now that you accept evolution, you must realize that the world and all it entails is due to chance and natural laws.

You are a jerk, yes?

re: #69 tokyobk

very much in the easter bunny category of argument

That could rotate.

re: #88 Walter L. Newton

Has anyone seen a george slivers?

I'v never seen a goerge silver but I saw one Bush once.

re: #74 George Slivers

The pope probably doesn't understand Darwinian evolution...

Wow.

re: #92 Walter L. Newton

You are a jerk, yes?

off, yes.

re: #74 George Slivers

The pope probably doesn't understand Darwinian evolution given the campaign of "bait and switch" used to mislead theists.

Typically it goes like this.

Darwinists:Look antibiotic resistance, that's evolution.
Theist: Sounds good I'll bite.
Darwinists: Oh by the way, now that you accept evolution, you must realize that the world and all it entails is due to chance and natural laws.

Ah, I think that formulation is a classic "non-sequitur". Not liable to get anybody very far in a serious discussion.

re: #89 jcm
What? George doesn't have a brain? Hahaha, the line in Ghost Busters just flashed in my head.

re: #74 George Slivers

It is too disgraceful and ruinous, though, and greatly to be avoided, that he [the non-Christian] should hear a Christian speaking so idiotically on these matters, and as if in accord with Christian writings, that he might say that he could scarcely keep from laughing when he saw how totally in error they are.

St Augustine

re: #98 pingjockey

What? George doesn't have a brain? Hahaha, the line in Ghost Busters just flashed in my head.

LOL!

Excuse me while I whip out my PHD.

*wimmin in room gasp*

A theist who accepts franklinist electricityism is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

There is not room for Thor the "thunder god" in RANDOM friction and NATURAL charges.

The only logical basis and conclusion of Electricityism is philosophical materialism. But arguments based on circular reasoning are the hallmark of Electricityists.

re: #86 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Here is the NG corporate Internet site for news related to Stansell, Gonsalves, and Howes. Looks like they are on the road to putting their lives back together.

For some reason I think the POPE is educated enough to understand evolution and its place in the universe.

re: #101 Racer X

Excuse me while I whip out my PHD.

*wimmin in room gasp*

I worked at a dairy farm....
I can Pile it Higher and Deeper too.

re: #99 Sharmuta

St. Augustine? Another intellectual featherweight.

/

re: #12 jcm

Go piss up a rope.

But was that Mandy Approved ^tm

How come no one has told Charles what not to post yet? I'm disoriented!

I love hanging out here. You guys all seem so nice until someone says something that just crosses the line. Then...

WHAM

re: #105 jcm

HEY!

Don't be dissing my BS Degree, you!

re: #105 jcm

I worked at a dairy farm....
I can Pile it Higher and Deeper too.

I thought you were refering to a Pimp and Hustling Degree. That's what Ice T has.

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons
It was approved by this old salt. It is a good, succinct rejoinder.

re: #109 Ford_Prefect

I love hanging out here. You guys all seem so nice until someone says something that just crosses the line. Then...

WHAM

Yeah, kinda like a saloon in the Old West...

re: #8 george slivers

Islamic terrorists are bad people
Islamic terrorists tend to be creationists

Ergo! Creationists are bad people!

You kids are so brilliant.

Hey the infamous George is back..Damn dude you are famous..
/ No one has made that connection at all.. Your pretzel logic only makes it so..
//Are you doing autographs after 9?

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons

But was that Mandy Approved ^tm

I might have to pay restitution....
which will definitely leave a mark.

re: #54 Nevergiveup

What's the diferance?

Slow learners are usually given enough rope here to hang themselves with ... if they so choose.

Trolls just get cut off at the knees. Or BBQ'd.

Pizza time.

re: #108 theparson
Give 'em time. Someone denser than lead will do it.

I believe in evolution and consider myself rational. But religion has it's place after all:

re: #113 CIA Reject

Yeah, kinda like a saloon in the Old West...

Exactly. Except when one guy turns around to start taking his ten paces the other guy walks up behind him and pants him.

re: #103 CyanSnowHawk

Here is the NG corporate Internet site for news related to Stansell, Gonsalves, and Howes. Looks like they are on the road to putting their lives back together.

Oops, here is the link.

re: #119 Ford_Prefect

Exactly. Except when one guy turns around to start taking his ten paces the other guy walks up behind him and pants him.

LOL!

re: #109 Ford_Prefect

I love hanging out here. You guys all seem so nice until someone says something that just crosses the line. Then...

WHAM

Oh, come on pal, we don't MEAN it! Here, have a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster on me! Ah, sorry, I don't know how the Tobasco sauce got in that!

re: #37 Charles

Well, you know, for those complaining that I'm not focusing like a laser on Islamic terrorism, you might consider this a "tie-in."

Nah, a diversion isn't bad once in a while. Especially when it comes to other wrongs in society.

re: #20 george slivers

A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

There is not room for an "intelligent designer" in RANDOM mutation or NATURAL selection.

The only logical basis and conclusion of Darwinism is philosophical materialism. But arguments based on circular reasoning are the hallmark of Darwinists.

Nice troll.

I'll publicly state right now that I'm an atheist. What will you tell me? That' I'm incapable of love? Kindness? Being moral?

re: #116 Lynn B.
We just got done with tacos. Used to a pound of beef would do. Now it takes two to three pounds to feed the bottomless pits that are my 3 boys.

re: #108 theparson

How come no one has told Charles what not to post yet? I'm disoriented!

Charles why don't you post on what the Islamists are up to?

/oh that's what this thread is about.
*nevermind*

Bedfellows certainly don't get much stranger.

re: #74 George Slivers

re: #20 george slivers
A theist who accepts darwinian evolution is ignorant, a liar, or a fool.

re: #30 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Would you like to pick one of those and call me that to my face?

You ignored my question up-thread. Was there a reason for it?

/as if I didn't know

re: #118 Nevergiveup

May G-d Bless Louis Armstrong's memory, for eternity....

re: #123 boofar
Give them time. You hit the trifecta.

re: #8 george slivers

Islamic terrorists are bad people
Islamic terrorists tend to be creationists

Ergo! Creationists are bad people!

You kids are so brilliant.

Hardly. Creationism taught as scientific fact is the problem (but nowhere near on the scale of head-choppers.)

Nice strawman.

re: #108 theparson

How come no one has told Charles what not to post yet? I'm disoriented!

Now you know how eye feel sometimes.

re: #122 Tigger2005

Oh, come on pal, we don't MEAN it! Here, have a Pan Galactic Gargle Blaster on me! Ah, sorry, I don't know how the Tobasco sauce got in that!

Just give me the wet sponge wrapped around a brick. It's faster.

re: #128 WhiteRasta

May G-d Bless Louis Armstrong's memory, for eternity....

Amen!

My pic is of him eating ramen backstage in Tokyo in the early 1950's.

re: #120 CyanSnowHawk

Oops, here is the link.

Thanks!

re: #112 pingjockey

It was approved by this old salt. It is a good, succinct rejoinder.

Im just mad because jcm got there first.

re: #132 Ford_Prefect

Just give me the wet sponge wrapped around a brick. It's faster.

Ah yes, the "...alcoholic equivalent of a mugging..."

God and religion are not the problems. There is nothing wrong in believing in God or creationism. The problem arises when you try to teach in a public school as a scientific fact. That's all.

re: #135 Mars Needs Neocons
Heh. It is a good zing.

re: #131 Josephine

Now you know how eye feel sometimes.

I hope they have a note from the doc, 'cause theparson will run 'em in and have 'em blow on the machine.

re: #132 Ford_Prefect

Just give me the wet sponge wrapped around a brick. It's faster.

We're nicer than THAT for heaven's sake! We use bars of Ivory soap in wet towels.

re: #115 jcm

I might have to pay restitution....
which will definitely leave a mark.

lol

re: #136 CIA Reject

Ah yes, the "...alcoholic equivalent of a mugging..."

AAAHHH!

Sorry a little white mouse named Benji just ran under my desk.

re: #140 Tigger2005
I have my grandfathers leather sap from the 30s. That'll put you out real quick.

re: #132 Ford_Prefect

Just give me the wet sponge wrapped around a brick. It's faster.

Ford, you should know its a lemon wrapped around a large gold brick

re: #98 pingjockey

"Cats and Dogs"

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

re: #137 boofar

God and religion are not the problems. There is nothing wrong in believing in God or creationism. The problem arises when you try to teach in a public school as a scientific fact. That's all.

Perhaps the greatest insult to Faith is the attempt to "prove" the existence of G*d, or "prove" that He did, or did not do some act. By definition Faith needs no such "proofs".

His Thoughts are not our thoughts

His ways are not our ways.

re: #144 Mars Needs Neocons

Ford, you should know its a lemon wrapped around a large gold brick

DOH! You are, of course, correct.

re: #139 jcm

I hope they have a note from the doc, 'cause theparson will run 'em in and have 'em blow on the machine.

First we do the SFST consisting of Gaze Nystagmus, OLS and W&T. If they fail two out of three we will go in for the 10-81. Just so ya know.

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

Welcome aboard.

I remember when I first got my membership. I looked at the post and thought: Hmm... Charles has opened the door. Wait... ! NEED TO REGISTER *NOW*!

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

Welcome to the madhouse.

re: #145 Idle Drifter
Its true, this man has no dick. Still cracks me up.
I've seen shit that'll turn you white.

re: #8 george slivers

Oh, Lord, Not this jackass again.

re: #143 pingjockey

I have my grandfathers leather sap from the 30s. That'll put you out real quick.

What else did he leave you? A violin case? White spats?

re: #146 lori lane

welcome!jump in the waters fine.

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

You're going to have do something about that generic green football...

re: #147 CIA Reject

Perhaps the greatest insult to Faith is the attempt to "prove" the existence of G*d, or "prove" that He did, or did not do some act. By definition Faith needs no such "proofs".

His Thoughts are not our thoughts

His ways are not our ways.

And that is the spiritual quest. Understanding his thoughts, and discovering his ways. A journey of 20 years, and I've just begun.

re: #146 lori lane
Congrats. Hang onto your hat. You hatched into a hurricane.

re: #148 Ford_Prefect

The sponge around the brick is what you get when you use cheap liquor to make the Gargle Blaster. The best places give you the full lemon/Gold brick treatment.

re: #147 CIA Reject

Perhaps the greatest insult to Faith is the attempt to "prove" the existence of G*d, or "prove" that He did, or did not do some act. By definition Faith needs no such "proofs".

His Thoughts are not our thoughts

His ways are not our ways.

That's one way of looking at it as a theist. One could make an argument that your faith in your God is so weak that you need a "sign". You don't have the internal strength to do this thing.

re: #150 boofar

Thanks! Yes I've been waiting and watching forever and as I sit here tonight at Panera, b/c I have no Innernet or TV tonight, I took a quick look before I shut the laptop and couldn't believe my eyes! :)

/end of long sentence. :)

re: #149 theparson

First we do the SFST consisting of Gaze Nystagmus, OLS and W&T. If they fail two out of three we will go in for the 10-81. Just so ya know.

Only two beers, officer, I've only had two honest!

re: #78 USA

The book was excellent. The documentary not so much.

re: #161 lori lane

Thanks! Yes I've been waiting and watching forever and as I sit here tonight at Panera, b/c I have no Innernet or TV tonight, I took a quick look before I shut the laptop and couldn't believe my eyes! :)

/end of long sentence. :)

Buy Lori a drink.

Walter in Golden, Co.

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

Welcome! Pick up your shells, and man the bar!

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

Welcome to the lizard horde. Now get me a Bombay and tonic.

re: #154 pre-Boomer Marine brat
I wish he'd of left me a violin case with a Thompson, but alas no. Just a couple really cool silk ties, the sap, and a couple of Ivory handled straight razors.

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

Welcome!

re: #159 CyanSnowHawk

The sponge around the brick is what you get when you use cheap liquor to make the Gargle Blaster. The best places give you the full lemon/Gold brick treatment.

Ah yes. The top shelf Gargle Blaster.

re: #156 Cicero05

Hmmm I need to look around here and get familiar with the fancy stuff. They are getting ready to close Panera though! Hope to have my Innernet tomorrow sometime!

re: #106 Josephine

St. Augustine? Another intellectual featherweight.

/

Yeah- between him and the Pope- what do they know about the word of God?

Hmmm... Islamic anti science... As an American, Jewish, Physicist, this is like the anti- Reeses peanut butter cup... Two horrific tastes that go worse together! Yummy

re: #160 boofar

That's one way of looking at it as a theist. One could make an argument that your faith in your God is so weak that you need a "sign". You don't have the internal strength to do this thing.

One could make any argument against another's faith that one may want but, why would one feel the need? I don't question your decision to be an a-thiest. Why should it so bother you that some of us choose to be theists?

re: #161 lori lane

So Lori, whaddya think about...

INTELLIGENT DESIGN!

Bwah ha ha ha ha

re: #171 Sharmuta
You silly girl. Obviously George knows more. He told us so.

re: #146 lori lane

Yay! Hello! I'm hatched! Finally! :)

Welcome

P.S. Love to all fellow hitchhikers. I have my towel...

re: #167 pingjockey

I wish he'd of left me a violin case with a Thompson, but alas no. Just a couple really cool silk ties, the sap, and a couple of Ivory handled straight razors.

OH REALLY!

Apologies to Charles for the OT but I need some information quickly.

Charles, are you familiar with the Southern Poverty Law Center?
How accurate is the information there regarding anti-immigration hate groups in the US?

I found some information there that piques my curiosity.

A quick answer will do, then back on topic.

What was it KSM said "Osama we can do 10 million" not yet Osama replied.

Talk about creationism.

re: #165 jcm

Drinks all around! Gotta log out before they kick me out! :)
Thanks everyone for the warm welcome! What a great way to end
the day! :) Thanks Charles! :)

re: #174 Cicero05
Geez. let her get her lizard legs first!

re: #157 jcm

And that is the spiritual quest. Understanding his thoughts, and discovering his ways. A journey of 20 years, and I've just begun.

I'm 16 years ahead of you and no farther along! It's not the getting there, it's the journey that counts.

re: #177 LudwigVanQuixote

P.S. Love to all fellow hitchhikers. I have my towel...

You are a hoopy frood

re: #178 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Wow.

Did I see something upthread about barbeque? Hope someone saves me a sliver.

re: #185 pingjockey

Wow.

Had you ever heard of Phil Harris?
This is one of his classics.

re: #160 boofar

That's one way of looking at it as a theist. One could make an argument that your faith in your God is so weak that you need a "sign". You don't have the internal strength to do this thing.

EXACTLY!

re: #179 Irish Rose

if you don't mind my input,the splc are the group that put an end to the united clans.they seem like straight shooters,but any group is suseptable to zealots taking over the ship.

re: #179 Irish Rose

We get a magazine from them every quarter of so. It strikes me that they list anyone who expresses any kind of displeasure with any ethnic group as a hater/hate group. In some cases I think their assessment is valid but many times it is way over the top.

re: #179 Irish Rose

I have never discovered false information there, but there's a lot of political maneuvering around that group. Which probably means they're over some targets.

Seven people who cheated death:

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

You can't make this stuff up!

re: #152 pingjockey
Ghostbusters is an all time classic

re: #154 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Violin Case... 0_0!

re: #187 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Yeah. I didn't know he made music. I remember him from the American Sportsman. Him, Curt Gowdy, and Bing Crosby would be hunting or fishing.

re: #186 Pvt Bin Jammin

Did I see something upthread about barbeque? Hope someone saves me a sliver.

The Cowardly Lyin' bugged out on us.

/lizard bellies rumbin'

re: #79 Mars Needs Neocons

And, He has made sure he used all 55 of those posts to be a full blown asshole.

re: #196 CapeCoddah

And, He has made sure he used all 55 of those posts to be a full blown asshole.

So I noticed

re: #179 Irish Rose

Apologies to Charles for the OT but I need some information quickly.

Charles, are you familiar with the Southern Poverty Law Center?
How accurate is the information there regarding anti-immigration hate groups in the US?

I found some information there that piques my curiosity.

A quick answer will do, then back on topic.

Founded in 1971 by a pair of Alabama lawyers, Morris Dees and Joe Levin, the Montgomery-based Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) quickly built a reputation as America's leading "civil rights law firm," suing Southern institutions resistant to desegregation, publicizing hate crimes, and using the media to denounce the perpetrators of those crimes. At the time of SPLC's founding, Julian Bond, who currently chairs the NAACP, was named the fledgling group's first President.

Pretty radical lefty IIRC.

re: #184 Ford_Prefect

You are a hoopy frood

Thank you, thank you... and now for some poetry...

re: #191 Charles

I have never discovered false information there, but there's a lot of political maneuvering around that group. Which probably means they're over some targets.

Thanks Charles, I knew that you'd be able to give me some insight.

re: #195 pre-Boomer Marine brat
That figures.

Just can't often get a decent meal around here these days.

Nice find Charles

re: #183 CIA Reject

I'm 16 years ahead of you and no farther along! It's not the getting there, it's the journey that counts.

Raised Baptist, father's a missionary and preacher. I struck out on my own, and dropped everything for a while. Picked up again 20 years ago.

re: #194 pingjockey

Yeah. I didn't know he made music. I remember him from the American Sportsman. Him, Curt Gowdy, and Bing Crosby would be hunting or fishing.

Oh yeah. He was one of the bandleaders at the end of the Swing Era, though not one of the greats.

re: #182 pingjockey

Geez. let her get her lizard legs first!

welcome lori!
one day i was turning off my computer at work when registration opened up.. I jumped right on it..you'll have a great time here..
/ and charles is thinking 'if i would have waited just one more minute...*slaps forehead*
/welcome

re: #200 Irish Rose

Thanks Charles, I knew that you'd be able to give me some insight.

If I am not mistaken Morris Dees represented an illegal Mexican who crossed over onto the private property of a Texas rancher who took him captive. The illegal sued and now owns that man's ranch.

I like george slivers. He is straightforward in his beliefs, and doesn't try to hide it. However, I don't think he knows what random really means. In my mind, God can do random.

re: #204 pre-Boomer Marine brat
The things you learn here. Too cool.

And now for some humor.

[Link: sendables.jibjab.com...]

re: #137 boofar

God and religion are not the problems. There is nothing wrong in believing in God or creationism. The problem arises when you try to teach in a public school as a scientific fact. That's all.

To me that's the whole enchilada, too.

re: #188 CIA Reject

re: #173 theparson

re: #160 boofar

That's one way of looking at it as a theist. One could make an argument that your faith in your God is so weak that you need a "sign". You don't have the internal strength to do this thing.

Actually my entire position on the issue of creation can be summed up by the inscription on a statue at Lourdes:

"For those without faith no explanation is possible, for those with Faith no explanation is necessary"

re: #207 Gordon Marock
The "old one" as Einstein called it, can do whatever it wants.

Where'd Georgie boy go?

The coals on the BBQ are ready!

re: #194 pingjockey

Yeah. I didn't know he made music. I remember him from the American Sportsman. Him, Curt Gowdy, and Bing Crosby would be hunting or fishing.

The Thing. I remember Jimmy Durante singing it in a movie.

The Preacher and the Bear.

Enjoy.

re: #211 CIA Reject

Well... yeh.

re: #213 jcm
It didn't even say buh bye!

re: #207 Gordon Marock

I like george slivers. He is straightforward in his beliefs, and doesn't try to hide it. However, I don't think he knows what random really means. In my mind, God can do random.

You can be straightforward in your beliefs and not be blunt and insulting. Most people figure that out by their teen years.

re: #214 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Thank you!

re: #207 Gordon Marock

I like george slivers. He is straightforward in his beliefs, and doesn't try to hide it. However, I don't think he knows what random really means. In my mind, God can do random.

He is straightforward, but he doesn't listen to anything anyone else says. It's all him. I think that it's more about the fight than the information. He's just stirrin the hornets nest to feed his own ego.

That says troll.

re: #209 boofar

One of their best yet!

re: #203 jcm

Raised Baptist, father's a missionary and preacher. I struck out on my own, and dropped everything for a while. Picked up again 20 years ago.

Cradle Catholic here, graduated prep seminary and went on to other things, but some things never leave you... Glad to be walkin' with you!

re: #149 theparson

First we do the SFST consisting of Gaze Nystagmus, OLS and W&T. If they fail two out of three we will go in for the 10-81. Just so ya know.

What are OLS and W&T?

I get nystagmus when I have vertigo.

re: #214 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Thing. I remember Jimmy Durante singing it in a movie.

The Preacher and the Bear.

Enjoy.

My grandfather, who passed before I was born, resembled Bing Crosby. He was a traveling salesman for a time, and restaurants would give him free meals if he'd sit in the window seat people would come in to see Bing Crosby.

re: #213 jcm

see the links in 214

*grin*

re: #213 jcm

I know! I'm still waiting for an answer to Slumbering Behenoth's now famous question:

What testable, falsifiable hypotheses does ID put forth? What testable, falsifiable theories have been presented by the DI? On what grounds can the DI claim that ID is a scientific theory?

re: #210 wolfie

To me that's the whole enchilada, too.

Yup. I'm an atheist, but it's due to personal choice. Overall, I have a positive view of faith (I might become a theist in the future.)

Religion tends to create social bridges that would be impossible otherwise. Different people come together that are so ethnically and socially different, that they would not be together otherwise. They talk in a more respectful manner to one another. They raise funds for the underprivileged. For society as a whole, religion is a good thing.

Just not in the science classroom and the scientific community.

re: #224 pre-Boomer Marine brat

see the links in 214

*grin*

oops

re: #207 Gordon Marock

I like george slivers. He is straightforward in his beliefs, and doesn't try to hide it. However, I don't think he knows what random really means. In my mind, God can do random.

G*d invented random!

re: #225 Sharmuta

Er- sorry Sleepy B for mis-spelling your nic!

re: #212 pingjockey

The "old one" as Einstein called it, can do whatever it wants.

Right, because if one could 'know' the exact position of every particle and its vector, and 'know' every chemical, nuclear, magnetic, or other force that acted upon each such atom, then nothing is truly random to such a being. Accordingly, those that deny the possibility that evolutionary theory are correct, really don't believe in an all powerful God, they just believe in the King James Bible.

re: #223 jcm

My grandfather, who passed before I was born, resembled Bing Crosby. He was a traveling salesman for a time, and restaurants would give him free meals if he'd sit in the window seat people would come in to see Bing Crosby.

LOL

re: #21 jcm

AND HILLARY CLINTON KISS TORTURE.

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

re: #20 george slivers

OK, I will tell you a joke.

Some Scientists became very savvy and they created life in their laboratory.

"Well," they said to each other, "Guess we don't need God anymore, let's go see Him and tell Him."

So they went to see God.

"What do you have to tell me?" said God.

"God," said the scientists, "we've understood evolution so well that we've created life in the laboratory, and you aren't needed anymore, you can go now."

"Well," said God, "Why don't you show me how you do this."

"Ok," said the scientists, "First you take some dirt", and they reached down to the ground for some dirt,

"Wait!" said God, "Make your own dirt!"

...........................

And there you have it.

Evolution comes from God.

And Faith, well that is looked for best in the spiritual realms; If you look for faith directly on the physical plane, you will just spin around and around, because the physical is just a reflection of the spiritual.

Hope this makes some sense to you.

re: #220 Idle Drifter

One of their best yet!

Meh... it's not bad. Their Bush vs. Kerry, '04 election was *far* better, imo.

re: #221 CIA Reject

Cradle Catholic here, graduated prep seminary and went on to other things, but some things never leave you... Glad to be walkin' with you!

Amen, brother.

re: #222 Josephine

One Legged Stand and Walk & Turn.

re: #171 Sharmuta

Yeah- between him and the Pope- what do they know about the word of God?

Pfhhhhhhhhhht.

How many papers have they had published?

re: #233 Ojoe

OK, I will tell you a joke.

Some Scientists became very savvy and they created life in their laboratory.

"Well," they said to each other, "Guess we don't need God anymore, let's go see Him and tell Him."

So they went to see God.

"What do you have to tell me?" said God.

"God," said the scientists, "we've understood evolution so well that we've created life in the laboratory, and you aren't needed anymore, you can go now."

"Well," said God, "Why don't you show me how you do this."

"Ok," said the scientists, "First you take some dirt", and they reached down to the ground for some dirt,

"Wait!" said God, "Make your own dirt!"

...........................

And there you have it.

Evolution comes from God.

And Faith, well that is looked for best in the spiritual realms; If you look for faith directly on the physical plane, you will just spin around and around, because the physical is just a reflection of the spiritual.

Hope this makes some sense to you.

Was the Big Bang God?

re: #37 Charles

Now if you could just tie-in Islam, Creationism, shredding musical instruments, cycling, and iphones...in one magical post...everyone would be satisfied.

George,

Glad to see you are back. You still have some unanswered questions from the other night. Lucky for you someone else answered one, so I'll let you off the hook on that.

Now, do you have an example of something that's irreducibly complex, a new one that hasn't been thoroughly debunked already?

Simple question, you should be able to answer.

re: #239 Reno911

Now if you could just tie-in Islam, Creationism, shredding musical instruments, cycling, and iphones...in one magical post...everyone would be satisfied.

*LOL*

re: #230 Gordon Marock
Bingo! It is the height of arrogance to think that a human can know the mind of a creator. If the universe was/is a made thing, we are so far down on the intelligence scale it isn't funny.

re: #239 Reno911

Now if you could just tie-in Islam, Creationism, shredding musical instruments, cycling, and iphones...in one magical post...everyone would be satisfied.

I think this post is foretold in Revelations.

I tried to watch the video, but it shut off my browser. Maybe I'll come back and watch it over the weekend, since I'm not really up to browser games tonight.

re: #233 Ojoe
Good one.

re: #239 Reno911

Now if you could just tie-in Islam, Creationism, shredding musical instruments, cycling, and iphones...in one magical post...everyone would be satisfied.

ahh you forgot hoops..
/i forgive you :]

George:

Do you have research or proof of ID?

How does ID explain the retroviral DNA that matches among primate families? Can you offer us a hypothesis?

re: #236 theparson

One Legged Stand and Walk & Turn.

I don't drive but how would someone prove he was having an attack of vertigo and not showing signs of intoxication? Would a breath test be required?

(I can't remember how to spell breathalyzer.)

re: #245 pingjockey

Yes, it is understandable at that level. I forget where I first heard that one.

re: #226 boofar

Yup. I'm an atheist, but it's due to personal choice. Overall, I have a positive view of faith (I might become a theist in the future.)
Just not in the science classroom and the scientific community.

But this would make you agnostic, right? I think most people who call themselves athiest are not anti-thiest like Hitchens.

In my opinon there could be a God and I kind of hope there is, its just the descriptions of God so far seem so abviously human and the various thumbprints of different cultures are so obviously all over the founding texts, ditto their limited understanding of the world around them.

I think if God spoke to Hitchens directly he would have himself committed before he believed. That is an athiest. There is no God and he is sure of it no matter what, just as a thiest cannot be waterboarded into giving up their faith.

re: #238 boofar
Who knows? Why not? Nunya bidness! pick one! :)

re: #134 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Thanks!

re: #237 Josephine

Pfhhhhhhhhhht.

How many papers have they had published?

And who peer reviewed them?

"Gillerman bids UN farewell: Israel will prevail
Israeli Ambassador Gillerman bids United Nations farewell in emotional speech; Israel contributes to mankind everyday, he says, adds that he is most frightened by Muslim world's 'eerie silence' in face of terrorism"

It's worth the read.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

I use to be agnostic, but now I'm not so sure.

re: #239 Reno911

Now if you could just tie-in Islam, Creationism, shredding musical instruments, cycling, and iphones...in one magical post...everyone would be satisfied.

You left out the Obamessiah!

re: #98 pingjockey

What? George doesn't have a brain? Hahaha, the line in Ghost Busters just flashed in my head.

Ah..George is a...no brainer.

re: #251 pingjockey

Who knows? Why not? Nunya bidness! pick one! :)

Kinda need evidence that others can analyze and concur with you :) .

George cannot take any more questions right now. He's on the phone with the Pope. Got some splainin' to do.

re: #240 Thanos

George,

Glad to see you are back. You still have some unanswered questions from the other night. Lucky for you someone else answered one, so I'll let you off the hook on that.

Now, do you have an example of something that's irreducibly complex, a new one that hasn't been thoroughly debunked already?

Simple question, you should be able to answer.

He left.

Question, the other night toward the end of a thread you mentioned something about Malcolm Wallop. Just kind of curious what that was about. I lived in Wy during his tenure.

re: #252 Jim in Virginia
I don't know who would be the Popes' peer.