The LAST time Jews were subjected to "special treatment?" Shoah!

the beast will start to get angry with this man.

Mr. Zig Zag

Obama left Abbas’s headquarters without speaking to reporters.

He was in a hurry to figure out how to preserve Abu's essence that collected on his palm when they shook hands.

The weed that travels gathers no moss

Saed, Obama hardly knows ye. . . but if he reads Ross's book. . .the audacity to LEARN. . . .you would be SO otta luck!

Part the waters, heal the earth, mid east peace. "What rough beast his hour has come...." you know the rest.

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It must be grand to be all things to all people.

Can any friend of Israel or of the United States even think of being so suicidal as to support this man?

Israel is Israel's best friend.

There's a grain of truth in that faux paux. Israel should take heed if BHO wins.

Tilt that halo on the way out

re: #4 MandyManners

He was in a hurry to figure out how to preserve Abu's essence that collected on his palm when they shook hands.

With that frakking dumb ass smile. . . .now it could just be me, but that smile with ABOO looks a whole lot less forced than any of his photo ops with Jews. . .hmmm, I am getting CYNICAL!

"....where he assured Palestinian leaders he’d get involved in the Mideast conflict quickly, a top Palestinian official said."

Reason enough to vote for McCain.

And as soon as Israel responds to the murder of more innocents;

"This is not the Israel I knew..."

He didn't want to answer questions but he plenty of time for a photo-op under the smiling picture of Arafish.

h/t Kilgore

re: #13 MJ

Reason enough to vote for McCain.

Enough for me too. . .

Yet again .. the best deal McCain is getting in this campaign is letting his opponents stick the full boot in their mouth.

Seems to work .. ya know.

re: #15 ec marm

He didn't want to answer questions but he plenty of time for a photo-op under the smiling picture of Arafish.

h/t Kilgore

I know, it will help the street vendor with his art, so, you know, he was supporting the local economy. . .

His tour is nothing but a big traveling circus with one exception - the ring leader never speaks to the crowd! On the chance he does it is nothing but ahh, ummms, ahhs - not a clue. What an empty suit.

re: #12 DisturbedEma

With that frakking dumb ass smile. . . .now it could just be me, but that smile with ABOO looks a whole lot less forced than any of his photo ops with Jews. . .hmmm, I am getting CYNICAL!

He looks like a kid on his first trip to the candy store.

3 scenarios Obama and Abbas in closed meeting.

1) They hug and share a prayer and say "Soon very soon my friend" then slap backs.

2) THey exchange scripted meaningless position papers and look at watches.

3) Obama calls for "Hope" and "Change" and Abbas agrees. Obama leaves the room and Abbas has a good laugh over cigars with his friends.

re: #14 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

And as soon as Israel responds to the murder of more innocents;

"This is not the Israel I knew..."

As more terrorists attack "these are not the piece peace partners I knew"

Isn't he supposed to run around meeting the world leaders and telling them what his policies are after he gets elected?

From a link posted by NY Nana ([Link: www.nysun.com...]

Hussein: "So despite this record of monumental tragedy this ultimately is a place of hope because it reminds us of our obligations and responsibilities hopefully to raise a better future for our children and our grandchildren."

A place of hope! And change! Does the schmock know what the words that come out of his mouth actually mean or does he have some sort of Markov process instead of a brain?

In signing the guestbook, he wrote, "May we remember those who perished, not only as victims but also as individuals who hoped and loved and dreamed like us, and who have become symbols of the human spirit."

You know, Barry, some people are humbled by visiting a place like this, and some are saddened. Some are actually left speechless.

re: #20 MandyManners

He looks like a kid on his first trip to the candy store.

Yeah, fill me up with Intifada Pops and Candied bulldozers. . .

I hope no one thinks this will sour the relationship he has with the media. Or rather, the relationship the media has with him.

Don't you think the same things are obvious to them that are obvious to us? He'll come home, they'll cover this whole thing up and then business as usual.

I'm not so optimistic that The People will punish the media or even recognize what is happening here. The People haven't really noticed that much so far. Yes, I know that the Ras poll said differently, but when did we start believing polls simply because they affirm what we already know when we discard polls that don't?

Obama left Abbas’s headquarters without speaking to reporters.

I am hearing Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction; "I will not be IGNORED Dan!"

re: #24 amphibian

From a link posted by NY Nana ([Link: www.nysun.com...]

You know, Barry, some people are humbled by visiting a place like this, and some are saddened. Some are actually left speechless.

FUCKING A! As in I hope this happens again? Fellow Jews WAKE THE FUCK UP!

re: #24 amphibian

From a link posted by NY Nana ([Link: www.nysun.com...]

You know, Barry, some people are humbled by visiting a place like this, and some are saddened. Some are actually left speechless.

Ah, sorry, the link was about Hussein's visit to Yad Vashem.

I just read "Obama says no options are off the table" in dealing with Iran nuke crisis. Really? Hmmmm...this guy is an utter jackass...and the media never freaking calls him on it. He previously said that he would NEVER use nuclear weapons and that Iran was small and not a big threat.

The man is a duplicitous coward.

re: #23 Claire

Isn't he supposed to run around meeting the world leaders and telling them what his policies are after he gets elected?

He has the audacity to hope, ya know. . .

Obama has been studying up on the Arab/Israeli conflict. He's all in favor of the 1947 UN Partition Plan.

[Link: www.jafi.org.il...]

The man's upbringing is a binary choice. Sen. Obama's father was a moslem. His step-father is a moslem. Obama attended a moslem parochial school in a predominantly moslem country, for whatever length of time. His Kenyan siblings and cousins appear to be moslems. By what we know of sharia law, that pretty much makes Mr. Obama a moslem. This fact is repeated frequently, worldwide, by moslem clergy and laity. If Sen. Obama became a Christian, of whatever denomination, that makes him a moslem apostate, free to be murdered at will by any practicing moslem; this little bit of sharia is also frequently repeated and defended by moslem clergy and laity worldwide.
Must all be quite the major headache for the Secret Service. Does the islamic world want to kill the man, or are they just waiting for him to come out of the closet?

He is aware that Afghans, palistinians and europeans can't vote for him, right?

re: #27 Big Steve

I am hearing Glenn Close in Fatal Attraction; "I will not be IGNORED Dan!"

No doubt. . .the entire press corp wants to have his baby. . .

I've got 500 NIS (shekels) that Baruch aides made sure before hand that all responses were coordinated and bland.

Does that sound like Erekat to you?

re: #30 cblesz

I just read "Obama says no options are off the table" in dealing with Iran nuke crisis. Really? Hmmmm...this guy is an utter jackass...and the media never freaking calls him on it. He previously said that he would NEVER use nuclear weapons and that Iran was small and not a big threat.

I think he means that he is keeping the option of throwing Israel to the Iranians, not that he thinks we should attack.
He'll talk to Amadmanonjihad but not debate McCain.

re: #35 Sharmuta

He is aware that Afghans, palistinians and europeans can't vote for him, right?

But their supporters on campus can, and others to as well . .

Any true friend of Israel wouldn't even acknowledge the terrorist squatters living next door, let alone hold meetings with them.

Bringing it to the new thread

His arrogance is what will sink him.

re: #23 Claire"telling them what his policies are after if he gets elected?
There, fixed that for ya!

re: #35 Sharmuta

He is aware that Afghans, palistinians and europeans can't vote for him, right?

No, but they can send anonymous $199 donations to his campaign.

he seems to be a real "people" candidate - close to us little men and very talkaktive...anyway, whom am I to question the messiahs and change...he will know whats best for us...

re: #38 Kosh's Shadow

I think he means that he is keeping the option of throwing Israel to the Iranians, not that he thinks we should attack.
He'll talk to Amadmanonjihad but not debate McCain.

That is what is so special about the relationship. . .there is a SPECIAL bus for the Jews to get thrown under. . . .Appeasement Express. . .

I just spent a week with my wife's extended family. They are Jewish. They are also liberal democrats. I just don't get it. Those two things just don't seem to fit, and yet it is not uncommon.

re: #41 Typicalwhitey

Bringing it to the new thread

His arrogance is what will sink him.

G-d willing. . .

Is he going to show his true colors when elected? Abandoning Israel? Following Dhimmi Carter's path to destroy Israel?

re: #40 Spiritualized

Any true friend of Israel wouldn't even acknowledge the terrorist squatters living next door, let alone hold meetings with them.

McCain didn't - from the same article:

His meeting with the Palestinians stands in contrast to the decision by Republican presidential hopeful Sen. John McCain to visit only Israel in March, without stopping in the West Bank.

re: #24 amphibian

From a link posted by NY Nana ([Link: www.nysun.com...]

You know, Barry, some people are humbled by visiting a place like this, and some are saddened. Some are actually left speechless.

His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson

re: #46 Ford_Prefect

I just spent a week with my wife's extended family. They are Jewish. They are also liberal democrats. I just don't get it. Those two things just don't seem to fit, and yet it is not uncommon.

Fucking FDR

re: #45 DisturbedEma

That is what is so special about the relationship. . .there is a SPECIAL bus for the Jews to get thrown under. . . .Appeasement Express. . .

Special train, with special cars, to special camps.

re: #30 cblesz Ah yeah, but you know he's moving to the center now, so he says what his advisors tell him to say.
And I have to say he's got a lousy group of advisors- mostly losers left over from Carter/Cinton WH's.

re: #23 Claire

Absolutely! Reading that article felt like he already has been elected. Sheesh.

What, no photos of him laying a wreath at the tomb of the unknown terrorist?

Let's have a pool.

how long to he "clarifies" his position on israel

I say 3 days

Not only will Obama bring peace to the middle east, he will raise the dead as well.

re: #46 Ford_Prefect

I just spent a week with my wife's extended family. They are Jewish. They are also liberal democrats. I just don't get it. Those two things just don't seem to fit, and yet it is not uncommon.

Indeed, it is common.
I think that Jewish Americans vote more that 60% for whomever is running as a Dem.
And no, I don't get it either.

So, Israel's okey-dokey. Right.

Gotcha.

Would that be before or after terrorist attacks, both those that are carried out, or those that were thwarted by the quick thinking Israeli security?

Hamas hails yesterday's attack in Jerusalem as part of the Jersualem intifada. Right. That would be the same terrorists who operate Hamastan in Gaza, and who would take over the West Bank but for the US and Israelis propping up the terrorists in Fatah.

What concessions could the Israelis make that will be sufficient for the Palestinians? Give up Jerusalem? Nope, because the Palestinians want Tel Aviv too. They want it all. Right of return? Nope, Palestinians want all of Israel.

Nothing Israel can do will ever satisfy the terrorists and Islamists who want nothing less than the destruction of Israel. The psuedodiplomacy hides those sad facts from view.

Palestinians refuse to accept a two-state solution, and their ongoing terrorism reflects this basic fact. Far from creating a vibrant society in Gaza, where the Palestinians have been in control without any Israeli involvment since 2005, they've turned it into an armed camp for a war against Israel. The West Bank has been turned into no-go areas for Israelis, and yet the Palestinians still plot terror attacks and seek to kill Israelis even as the diplomats and the Israeli government makes concession after concession and talks of peace deals by the end of the year.

re: #46 Ford_Prefect

I just spent a week with my wife's extended family. They are Jewish. They are also liberal democrats. I just don't get it. Those two things just don't seem to fit, and yet it is not uncommon.

Problem is people remember the old anti-Semitic nativist Republicans, now the Buchanan wing. Funny that the Taft Republicans did not like Catholics either.

re: #58 realwest
PIMF that should be than.

re: #44 alpineUS

he seems to be a real "people" candidate - close to us little men and very talkaktive...anyway, whom am I to question the messiahs and change...he will know whats best for us...

The MSM is giving tactical support to the old school leftist/Marxist
political activists in their last gasp machine effort to create
socialism in the U.S. And they are extremely well organized and
energized in this coup because they are aware that it may be their last
chance.

They'll use a few methods to achieve a government dependent population. First they'll give amnesty to tens of millions of impoverished,
illiterate illegals and then their extended families and give them the
right to vote. This will create hundreds of millions more die hard
Democrat supporters within a couple of generations. Then they'll enact
universal health care to develop an entitlement mentality even amongst
the American middle class, particularly the middle age and elders. Next
to condition younger voters, the minimum wage will be significantly
raised, with new government mandated benefits for the handicapped, new mothers, and greatly expanded personal day/vacation time. And I have no doubt that there will be an effort to pass The Fairness Doctrine, mirrored in the school system by boards determining whether textbooks and curriculum are multicultural, mentally uplifting and unbiased (leftism), or insane and harmful for the citizenry (conservatism).

In other words, a national cultural laboratory set to produce European socialist system for unmotivated, passive mindbots within eight years. And the handlers of the puppet Obama won't do it with coercion, they'll do it with mesmerizing populist appeal, after Jonah Goldberg, slavery wearing a happy face.

re: #48 winston06

Is he going to show his true colors when elected? Abandoning Israel? Following Dhimmi Carter's path to destroy Israel?

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. . .ask anyone who has studied the Shoah. . .Jews, up until imminent death never dreamed that the barbarity they were about to experience was possible. . .Jews seem to believe that Israel will always be a state, no matter what, and that is a grave mistake. . .to believe that what comes out of the OTHER side of Barry's mouth should be downplayed and ignored. . .
Had Carter been reelected, he vowed to "fuck the Jews" I doubt will we will get such a generous offer from Barry. . .

re: #24 amphibian

From a link posted by NY Nana ([Link: www.nysun.com...]

Later, he said: "I am always taken back to sort of the core question of humanity that the Holocaust raises. That is, on the one hand, man's great capacity for evil, and on the other hand, our ability to come together to stop evil."

FULL STOP! Think about that for a second.

...our ability to come together to stop evil.

What have GWB our troops been doing for the LAST 7 GODDAMN YEARS?

What thje fuck have YOU BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA been DOING DURING THAT TIME?

You've stood in the way, not come together, YOU'VE NOT BEEN ONBOARD IN STOPPING EVIL!

Up yours BHO!

I'll stop now before I get a whack from Mr. Beaumont.

Definition of Obama: all things to all people.... who don't have a brain. See also "antichrist".

I heard that when he left Ramallah, the Palestinians gave Obama a 12-backhoe salute.

re: #46 Ford_Prefect

I just spent a week with my wife's extended family. They are Jewish. They are also liberal democrats. I just don't get it. Those two things just don't seem to fit, and yet it is not uncommon.

It's a long story, which I've commented on here and elsewhere. Boils down to two things: a hideously skewed view of what constitutes Tikkun Olam, and the continuing ripples of Bolshevism that had been so eagerly embraced by poor Jewish immigrants here 100 years ago.
-Rabbi M.

"A nuclear Iran would pose a grave threat and the world must prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon," Obama told reporters after visiting the Israeli town of Sderot

Not the US, but the world.

Obama must have dreams of being world emperor.

re: #50 Ben Hur

His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson
His name is Robert Paulson

Well, Jesse said we should take his balls.

re: #67 American Soldier

It's a long story, which I've commented on here and elsewhere. Boils down to two things: a hideously skewed view of what constitutes Tikkun Olam, and the continuing ripples of Bolshevism that had been so eagerly embraced by poor Jewish immigrants here 100 years ago.
-Rabbi M.

Tikkun Olam is indeed a powerful force, but really, you have to insert the devotion to FDR- he is STILL hailed as a true Friend to the Jews. . .despite all evidence to the contrary. . .politically, he and JFK sustained that "Marxist" mentality. . .

re: #68 faraway

Not the US, but the world.

Obama must have dreams of being world emperor.

One world, one government, one people, one Obama to rule them all.

/apologies to JRRT.

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

Obama is not a rough beast, but a really smooth bastard.

Smoooooth criminal. . . .

Has Obama ever uttered the word "victory"?

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

One world, one government, one people, one Obama to rule them all.

/apologies to JRRT.

Go Frodo! To the fires of Mount Doom-

re: #63 DisturbedEma

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. . .ask anyone who has studied the Shoah. . .Jews, up until imminent death never dreamed that the barbarity they were about to experience was possible. . .Jews seem to believe that Israel will always be a state, no matter what, and that is a grave mistake. . .to believe that what comes out of the OTHER side of Barry's mouth should be downplayed and ignored. . .
Had Carter been reelected, he vowed to "fuck the Jews" I doubt will we will get such a generous offer from Barry. . .

An Obama presidency=Iraq and Israel under the bus NLT 2/2010.
Study carefully the actions of Congress in 1974.

re: #76 faraway

Has Obama ever uttered the word "victory"?

Only in the context of him winning a political office. Otherwise, come to think of it, no.

About the terrorist with the bulldozer(frontloader/back hoe) - exactly at what point is it recognized that this sort of person is a terrorist by the MSM? I am tired of "Bulldozer driver attacks" or "Palistinian attacks "- is the media too afraid of the facts? Are we buying "peace" at the cost of chains and slavery per Patrick Henry?

re: #62 runrabbitrun

upding! I can only hope this is the left's last chance, and that they lose big time.

re: #76 faraway

Has Obama ever uttered the word "victory"?

Probably in places we are not privvy to. . .

re: #46 Ford_Prefect

I just spent a week with my wife's extended family. They are Jewish. They are also liberal democrats. I just don't get it. Those two things just don't seem to fit, and yet it is not uncommon.

I don't get it either. Jews flock to the party that is anti-Semitic and anti-Israel. I have spoken with anti-Israel Jews. Where is their sense of self protection and self interest? Liberals complain because Kansas won't vote for self interest (What's Wrong With Kansas?), yet American Jews vote again and again for the party most anxious to throw them and Israel under the bus! (It's getting damned crowded under that bus.)

re: #23 Claire

Isn't he supposed to run around meeting the world leaders and telling them what his policies are after he gets elected?

Why let a little thing like elections get in the way of Dear Leader's tour of hope?

WAIT. Obama's been there for 24 hours. You mean to tell me the middle east problems aren't fixed?

re: #78 American Soldier

An Obama presidency=Iraq and Israel under the bus NLT 2/2010.
Study carefully the actions of Congress in 1974.

Yep. . .

re: #85 sattv4u2

WAIT. Obama's been there for 24 hours. You mean to tell me the middle east problems aren't fixed?

well, maybe but not in a way we here at LGf would like.

re: #85 sattv4u2

WAIT. Obama's been there for 24 hours. You mean to tell me the middle east problems aren't fixed?

Some messiah.

re: #23 Claire

Isn't he supposed to run around meeting the world leaders and telling them what his policies are after he gets elected?

He's bringing in $35 million a month. What else is he supposed to do but travel and hire 300 policy consultants.

re: #85 sattv4u2

WAIT. Obama's been there for 24 hours. You mean to tell me the middle east problems aren't fixed?

Yeah! What kind of Lightworker is this guy?!

re: #63 DisturbedEma

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. . .ask anyone who has studied the Shoah. . .Jews, up until imminent death never dreamed that the barbarity they were about to experience was possible. . .Jews seem to believe that Israel will always be a state, no matter what, and that is a grave mistake. . .to believe that what comes out of the OTHER side of Barry's mouth should be downplayed and ignored. . .
Had Carter been reelected, he vowed to "fuck the Jews" I doubt will we will get such a generous offer from Barry. . .

Remember, B. Hussein is Carter II.

re: #85 sattv4u2

WAIT. Obama's been there for 24 hours. You mean to tell me the middle east problems aren't fixed?

Well, he tried, but the Jews still want THEIR state, so, he was all, and they was all. . .

re: #72 DisturbedEma

Like I said, continuing ripples.

re: #36 DisturbedEma

No doubt. . .the entire press corp wants to have his baby. . .

Or cook his bunny...

re: #73 Honorary Yooper

One world, one government, one people, one Obama to rule them all.

/apologies to JRRT.

Did you see the LOTR=Casablanca link on the last thread?

re: #80 madisonsfriend

About the terrorist with the bulldozer(frontloader/back hoe) - exactly at what point is it recognized that this sort of person is a terrorist by the MSM? I am tired of "Bulldozer driver attacks" or "Palistinian attacks "- is the media too afraid of the facts? Are we buying "peace" at the cost of chains and slavery per Patrick Henry?

Terrorism only exists in England, Spain, US (well, actually not, because the FBI needs its perfect record).

re: #75 buzzsawmonkey

Fits perfectly; they're not Jews, just Jewish.

By which I mean that liberal Jews tend to place liberalism before Judaism.

You are correct that they are far from Orthodox. I would say they are more casual Jews. So perhaps that is part of the reason for the disconnect.

re: #30 cblesz

I just read "Obama says no options are off the table" in dealing with Iran nuke crisis.

Linky please.

That's one gargantuan flip-then-KABOOM in the making, if there ever was one.

re: #70 taxfreekiller

tfk does not watch CBS,

What was the question Cutie Curick ask Obama three times and he told her he was not going to answer that question ...?

Can I have a bite of your waffle?

re: #64 jcm

Stop the evil? B. Hussein, the lightworker, works for Lucifer, the lighbringer.
He's not stopping evil, he's creating it.

The symbolism of Barack Obama giving a major speech this week at Berlin's Victory Column is strange, considering Obama has always spoken for defeat.

re: #95 lifeofthemind

Did you see the LOTR=Casablanca link on the last thread?

No, I missed that somehow in the 1,000+ comments. Was it early in the thread (before comment #250), middle (250-700), or more recent?

I'm surpised that he didn't ride in on a white donkey.

Or on a flying horse.

re: #91 Kosh's Shadow

Remember, B. Hussein is Carter II.

No, he is worse. . .because back then terrorists were still terrorists, now they are victims of the opporssor Jews. . .who start all the wars. . .and kill innocent murderers. . .

If he were to allow questions, especially foreign newspapers....we would see how ill prepared he is.

re: #12 DisturbedEma

With that frakking dumb ass smile. . . .now it could just be me, but that smile with ABOO looks a whole lot less forced than any of his photo ops with Jews. . .hmmm, I am getting CYNICAL!

2 peas in a pod are Obama and Abbas (in a non-racial way of course). Alot of talk up front but absolutely no results. On the other hand, Obama hasn't had much of a chance to accomplish anything. What with his presidential campaigning since his senatorial campaign ended.

re: #68 faraway

Obama plans to talk to Ahmadinejad. That ought to work. I don't know why nobody ever thought of that before...

re: #63 DisturbedEma

There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. . .ask anyone who has studied the Shoah. . .Jews, up until imminent death never dreamed that the barbarity they were about to experience was possible. . .Jews seem to believe that Israel will always be a state, no matter what, and that is a grave mistake. . .to believe that what comes out of the OTHER side of Barry's mouth should be downplayed and ignored. . .
Had Carter been reelected, he vowed to "fuck the Jews" I doubt will we will get such a generous offer from Barry. . .

Carter already F...ed the entire Middle-east by standing with Khomeinists in Iran

Is he visiting the good doctor North of Israel?

re: #98 Ford_Prefect

You are correct that they are far from Orthodox. I would say they are more casual Jews. So perhaps that is part of the reason for the disconnect.

I am not orthodox but I am a strong supporter of Israel. I keep kosher and observe the holidays and attend shul. I don't think it is fair to suggest that only the orthodox support Israel.

An intentional change for his world tour or just another flip-flop?

That was then, but this is now.

re: #98 Ford_Prefect

You are correct that they are far from Orthodox. I would say they are more casual Jews.

Casual Jew - a Cashew?

re: #104 Ben Hur

I'm surpised that he didn't ride in on a white donkey.

Or on a flying horse.

Unicorn!

What about the photo op in Ramallah where Obama was sitting atop a bulldozer smoking a cigar...

/must be a rumor

re: #81 turn

upding! I can only hope this is the left's last chance, and that they lose big time.

I was extremely disturbed by the success of the effort to engage/coerce al Maliki in their strategy to boost Obama. It showed exactly how powerful and far reaching the Obama/Dem cabal is (State Department supported).

re: #99 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Linky please.

That's one gargantuan flip-then-KABOOM in the making, if there ever was one.

al reuters

re: #106 Lively

If he were to allow questions, especially foreign newspapers....we would see how ill prepared he is.

You have to remember that there are 2 Obamas. There is the TELEPROMPTER Obama (all nice and Armani shiney) and then there is the off the cuff Obama (umm,,, err,,, ahhh ,, umm,, errr,,,, welll ,,,, ummm )

re: #114 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Casual Jew - a Cashew?

Gesuntheit!

re: #115 DisturbedEma

Unicorn!

Or on Chris Matthews leg

re: #103 Honorary Yooper

No, I missed that somehow in the 1,000+ comments. Was it early in the thread (before comment #250), middle (250-700), or more recent?

#1153 buzzsawmonkey 7/23/2008 8:34:50 am PDT
Lord of the Rings--1940

Starring Humphrey Bogart!

re: #76 faraway

Has Obama ever uttered the word "victory"?

Sure he did, on the day Hillary suspended her campaign, and the oceans started to recede and the planet began to heal.

re: #105 DisturbedEma

No, he is worse. . .because back then terrorists were still terrorists, now they are victims of the opporssor Jews. . .who start all the wars. . .and kill innocent murderers. . .

And it was Carter who helped in changing the view of the terrorists; he wrote Arafart's speech in the UN, among other things. B. Hussein is just continuing his work.

Well, in all fairness, this man is trying to get elected. Anything he says at this point will enrage someone. Might as well keep his mouth shut, I guess.

It would save us a lot of heart ache if Obama would just go ahead and get on his horse on ascend unto heaven.

re: #119 sattv4u2

You have to remember that there are 2 Obamas. There is the TELEPROMPTER Obama (all nice and Armani shiney) and then there is the off the cuff Obama (umm,,, err,,, ahhh ,, umm,, errr,,,, welll ,,,, ummm )

Duuuuuuuuhhhh, its the vast Right wing conspiracy. . .with the evil need to speak off book!

re: #124 Kosh's Shadow

And it was Carter who helped in changing the view of the terrorists; he wrote Arafart's speech in the UN, among other things. B. Hussein is just continuing his work.

Ok, OK you win, Carter is the MotherEffer of all Effers. . .

re: #127 Lively

It would save us a lot of heart ache if Obama would just go ahead and get on his horse on ascend unto heaven.

Yes, but if memory serves, I am in big trouble once that happens. . .

re: #119 sattv4u2

You have to remember that there are 2 Obamas. There is the TELEPROMPTER Obama (all nice and Armani shiney) and then there is the off the cuff Obama (umm,,, err,,, ahhh ,, umm,, errr,,,, welll ,,,, ummm )

Edwards had 2 Americas
Obama has 2 Obamas

re: #126 taxfreekiller

?

Do the Secret Service people help him hide the cig's from his wife?

Oh BLICK, retch. . .

I suppose it is kind of like with the black vote. Despite the fact that the dem's social policies over the last several decades have made much of the black community into uneducated and over reliant people, even those lucky enough and smart enough (ie. Oprah) continue to support the party that has devastated them.re: #112 madisonsfriend

I am not orthodox but I am a strong supporter of Israel. I keep kosher and observe the holidays and attend shul. I don't think it is fair to suggest that only the orthodox support Israel.

re: #131 faraway

Edwards had 2 Americas
Obama has 2 Obamas

Excellent point. . .will the REAL Barry PLEASE stand up?

re: #78 American Soldier,

The worst thing about Obama is that he intends to lose in Iraq. No victory is acceptable to him. One might think that he is anti-American.

His intent to abandon Israel has also been telegraphed. I don't think he'd go so far as to support Israel's enemies against her (at least not openly), but he wouldn't shed a tear, nor raise a hand to prevent it, when Israel's enemies pull her under.

re: #133 Ford_Prefect

I suppose it is kind of like with the black vote. Despite the fact that the dem's social policies over the last several decades have made much of the black community into uneducated and over reliant people, even those lucky enough and smart enough (ie. Oprah) continue to support the party that has devastated them.

Right, but even Black republicans are being urged to vote Black over politics. . .

re: #112 madisonsfriend

I am not orthodox but I am a strong supporter of Israel. I keep kosher and observe the holidays and attend shul. I don't think it is fair to suggest that only the orthodox support Israel.

That was not my point at all. When I say 'casual' I mean that they don't keep kosher or attend shul etc.

re: #130 DisturbedEma

Yes, but if memory serves, I am in big trouble once that happens. . .

Isn't that what Mohammed did(Peanut butter upon him)?

[Link: gatewaypundit.blogspot.com...]

There is no terrorism in the US.

re: #118 faraway

Flipping again? Or just flopping around?

re: #133 Ford_Prefect

oops. trying to do two things at once.

re: #115 DisturbedEma

Unicorn!

The Unicorn Whisperer

re: #117 runrabbitrun

I was extremely disturbed by the success of the effort to engage/coerce al Maliki in their strategy to boost Obama. It showed exactly how powerful and far reaching the Obama/Dem cabal is (State Department supported).

I'm not sure his campaign had that much influence, I kind of chalked it up to the fact that they both want to get elected. Maliki had to say he wants us out to some of his potential voters. He tried to down play it after wards, but the MSM here wouldn't let it pass because it bolstered the Messiah's position.

re: #125 Edgar

Well, in all fairness, this man is trying to get elected. Anything he says at this point will enrage someone. Might as well keep his mouth shut, I guess.

Fairness? Toward a Marxist? Lemme guess- if you're not a newly hatched troll, you're less than 40 years old.

-Old Cold Warrior

OT the "smart" WA Senator speaks on energy policy.

Asked point-blank if Democrats in the Senate would consider how increasing the supply of oil would lower the prices that are pinching U.S. consumers, Cantwell replied: "Oh, we definitely want to move beyond petroleum. And so there will be a supply side offered by the Democrats and it will include everything from battery technology to making sure that we have good home domestic supply, and looking, as I said about moving faster on those kind of things like wind and solar that can help us with our high cost of natural gas."

Move beyond petroleum?
How?

Democrats are going to offer battery technology?
Where is the battery RD design center run by the DNC?

Battery technology is going to make sure we have a good domestic home supply... of oil? batteries?

Wind and solar will help with the high cost of natural gas? Are those windmills farting?

onmygod!

re: #136 Iron Fist

,

The worst thing about Obama is that he intends to lose in Iraq. No victory is acceptable to him. One might think that he is anti-American.

His intent to abandon Israel has also been telegraphed. I don't think he'd go so far as to support Israel's enemies against her (at least not openly), but he wouldn't shed a tear, nor raise a hand to prevent it, when Israel's enemies pull her under.

I think he will be pushing Israel to make more concessions, until there is nothing left.

He did say "In his meeting with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas, Obama confirmed “that he will be a constructive partner in the peace process” and would not “waste a minute” if elected, Chief Palestinian negotiator Saed Erekat said."

So maybe he won't waste time talking to the "moderate" terrorist. OTOH, he doesn't stand by anything he says more than a few minutes.

re: #144 turn

Maliki is also using Obama to pressure the US during ongoing negotiations on the status of forces agreement.

re: #136 Iron Fist

,

The worst thing about Obama is that he intends to lose in Iraq. No victory is acceptable to him. One might think that he is anti-American.

I don't think he intends to lose in Iraq . He doesn't intend to lose at home because of Iraq .

I suppose that's not much better...

re: #95 lifeofthemind

Did you see the LOTR=Casablanca link on the last thread?

Found it, favorited it.

re: #74 DisturbedEma

Smoooooth criminal. . . .

Con artist.

re: #136 Iron Fist

,

The worst thing about Obama is that he intends to lose in Iraq. No victory is acceptable to him. One might think that he is anti-American.

His intent to abandon Israel has also been telegraphed. I don't think he'd go so far as to support Israel's enemies against her (at least not openly), but he wouldn't shed a tear, nor raise a hand to prevent it, when Israel's enemies pull her under.

This is a tried and true method of the "special" relationship

re: #125 Edgar

Yes, he is saying anything and everything to anyone that will listen in order to secure enough votes to win.

Yet, we know very little about the guy except that he's for hope and change. Or change for hope. Platitudes. Empty platitudes.

He probably should keep his trap shut because every time he opens it, he risks offending the facts and logic or reasoning.

In the case of the Middle East, he's barely capable of holding his own on the issues of Israel and the Palestinians, and was clearly wrong on Iraq. Yet, he wants people to think that he's superior to McCain's judgment on such matters.

Yet, for all of the 300 advisers, he's yet to offer up a coherent policy that actually improves US national security. That's a glaring omission that should get people worried.

Democrats, however, seem awestruck.

re: #145 American Soldier

Fairness? Toward a Marxist?

And which of Obama's policies qualify as "Marxist," pray tell?

re: #136 Iron Fist

,

The worst thing about Obama is that he intends to lose in Iraq. No victory is acceptable to him. One might think that he is anti-American.

His intent to abandon Israel has also been telegraphed. I don't think he'd go so far as to support Israel's enemies against her (at least not openly), but he wouldn't shed a tear, nor raise a hand to prevent it, when Israel's enemies pull her under.

It isn't too difficult, assuming an Obama administration, a Dummocrat-controlled Congress, and the absence of open Civil War here, to imagine U.S. troops in Jerusalem in 2010 enforcing a pali capitol.

re: #154 lawhawk

Yes, he is saying anything and everything to anyone that will listen in order to secure enough votes to win.

Yet, we know very little about the guy except that he's for hope and change. Or change for hope. Platitudes. Empty platitudes.

Don't they ALL!

A quick Google search shows "Obama Messiah" beating out "Obama Antichrist" 1,660,000 to 708,000. A little over a month ago it was more even. I am hoping that there is an ironic use of the term "Messiah".

re: #138 Ford_Prefect

That was not my point at all. When I say 'casual' I mean that they don't keep kosher or attend shul etc.

There is a difference in Jewish identity. . .some consider it the very hight of selflessness to put the "needs of the many" above their own needs. . .BUT some Jews believe they have gone too far, to the point of internalizing some sort of guilt for being a vibrant people with a homeland. . .and feel the need to "give till it hurt" other Jews.

Cultural differences between Israel and her foes make this very dangerous

After 8 years what peace did Bush bring to the mid-east with Madame Condi.

Every administration has failed. They're afraid of putting pressure on the pals cause the Saudi oil fields have the most powerful voice in the region. Golly gee Gush!

re: #136 Iron Fist

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I don't think he'd go so far as to support Israel's enemies against her (at least not openly), but he wouldn't shed a tear, nor raise a hand to prevent it, when Israel's enemies pull her under.

Exactly: Empathize with their alienation. Sympathize with their 'impoverishment and disenfranchisement'. Know the root causes.

Understand that Obama's not against Israel... just trying to help make the world a better place.

re: #159 DisturbedEma

There is a difference in Jewish identity. . .some consider it the very hight of selflessness to put the "needs of the many" above their own needs. . .BUT some Jews believe they have gone too far, to the point of internalizing some sort of guilt for being a vibrant people with a homeland. . .and feel the need to "give till it hurt" other Jews.

Cultural differences between Israel and her foes make this very dangerous

I think the so-called "self-hating" Jewish Israelis just don't understand the point of war and why it is sometimes justified. When you're 100% anti-war , you'll get angry even when it's warranted. So if you live in a country in a perpetual state of conflict you'll have some serious psychological problems.

Obama: I’m here to reaffirm special US-Israel relationship.

Is he speaking as an individual, or as the President?

re: #156 American Soldier,

I don't think you get all three of those (i.e. an Obama administration, a Dummocrat-controlled Congress, and the absence of open Civil War here). I think Obama gets a little less than two years and Congress is Republican again, just like Clinton. And I think his hands will be tied even more than Bush's have been. The "do nothing" Democrat Congress will do even less than they are right now. And they'll still piss people off.

Civil War comes only in the event that Obama and the Congress get really stupid on guns. That's possible. It'll take a special kind of stupid to do it, though. especially in light of the Supreme Court's recent decision and what polls show the vast majority of Americans believe.

re: #155 Edgar

And which of Obama's policies qualify as "Marxist," pray tell?

Socialism is founded in Marxism. . .from all, to all. . .according to need and ability. . .

re: #163 Sir Napsalot

Obama: I’m here to reaffirm special US-Israel relationship.

Is he speaking as an individual, or as the President?

Take your pick. . .wait 5 minutes, it'll change faster than Favre's mind. .

re: #155 Edgar

And which of Obama's policies qualify as "Marxist," pray tell?

You're kidding, right? Or are you just quibbling about socialism/Marxism? Or did I completely miss something in Obama's statements about health care, education, required community service by schoolchildren, etc.?

You must have a degree from a fancier college than the ones I've attended.
/ First- Uncle Sam's Night School for Foreign Affairs and Forceful Diplomacy, Class of '71.

re: #162 Edgar

I think the so-called "self-hating" Jewish Israelis just don't understand the point of war and why it is sometimes justified. When you're 100% anti-war , you'll get angry even when it's warranted. So if you live in a country in a perpetual state of conflict you'll have some serious psychological problems.

Not so much self hating- some really believe thay are obligated to act contrary to their own self preservation. . .like showing a willingness to trade murderers for bones. . .

re: #167 American Soldier

You're kidding, right? Or are you just quibbling about socialism/Marxism? Or did I completely miss something in Obama's statements about health care, education, required community service by schoolchildren, etc.?

You must have a degree from a fancier college than the ones I've attended.
/ First- Uncle Sam's Night School for Foreign Affairs and Forceful Diplomacy, Class of '71.

Marx Begat socialism. . .

(About Jews voting D, even when it is a dumb idea:)

re: #60 lifeofthemind

Problem is people remember the old anti-Semitic nativist Republicans, now the Buchanan wing. Funny that the Taft Republicans did not like Catholics either.

That's the impression I get. The question isn't which candidate is best, but whom does the Democratic Party send to the election? Even considering voting R is a horrifying thought. I suppose, if one party has traditionally gone out of its way to exclude you, an another lets you in, what choice have you got? but in this case it seems that the situation has changed, and old habits are wrong.

Maybe I see things differently because I'm first-generation in this country. Mine is certainly one Jewish vote Hussein shouldn't count on receiving.

How is the "Obama Photo of the Day" different from the photo of THIS day?

Abbas is the only partner they have to negotiate with and any president, yes would include McCain would also be a part of the handshaking photo op.

It sucks, but it's how it is.

I am tired of assuming everything about Obama.

Some Obama questions:
Has anybody seen his college thesis? This might be a way to see how he view international relations.

Has anybody been found that took a class from B. Obama? Can we see the notes? This might be a way to see how he interprets the Constitution.

Does anyone have a copy of anything scholarly that Obama has written?
This might be a way to see his views.

Does anyone have a copy of his transcripts? It would let us know what area he has skills.

What about a frickin birth certificate? If he cannot put his birth certificate out for inspection, then this country is SOL on openness in any Obama administration.

Will the Nation of Islam security detail replace the secret service? James Wright uses their services. Farrakhan shitty grin

re: #170 amphibian

(About Jews voting D, even when it is a dumb idea:)

That's the impression I get. The question isn't which candidate is best, but whom does the Democratic Party send to the election? Even considering voting R is a horrifying thought. I suppose, if one party has traditionally gone out of its way to exclude you, an another lets you in, what choice have you got? but in this case it seems that the situation has changed, and old habits are wrong.

Maybe I see things differently because I'm first-generation in this country. Mine is certainly one Jewish vote Hussein shouldn't count on receiving.

Moved to newer thread. Yes on your point. If Lieberman gets through to older Jews it could create a sea change.

Back to paperwork.
Outahere.

re: #173 lifeofthemind

Moved to newer thread. Yes on your point. If Lieberman gets through to older Jews it could create a sea change.

He is a true mensch. . .

re: #174 American Soldier

Back to paperwork.
Outahere.

Sigh, me too- grading!

Obama photo of the day.

3 assholes in that picture.

re: #171 marjoriemoon

How is the "Obama Photo of the Day" different from the photo of THIS day?

Abbas is the only partner they have to negotiate with and any president, yes would include McCain would also be a part of the handshaking photo op.

It sucks, but it's how it is.

Negotiating with Abbasshole is useless. First, he will accept nothing less than the eventual destruction of Israel; as a first step, the 1967 borders and return of all the "refugees" to Israel.
Second, he has little real power; Fatah is corrupt, and Hamas has more power.
At this stage, "negotiating" needs to be done by eliminating those in power who cannot accept Israel as a Jewish state, and convincing anyone else to change their mind. I won't say how many I think that will involve killing.

re: #59 lawhawk

I didn't know how to answer this: A retired military man still active in U.S. military stuff said that Israel's continuing to take Pali land and build east of Jerusalem is worse than the rockets fired onto Israeli civilians. Israel can stop the constant irritation. Building, the wall, and checkpoints are worse because they are a constant irritation (this is what he said). The land belongs to the Palestinians and the farmers are separated from the land they've plowed and other members of their family (also what he said).

This person is a conservative, but has read the LA Times cover to cover for decades. It may be an irretrievable attitude, but may not be too rare in the U.S. govt. and/or military. I tried to ask an Israeli consulate person whether the most recently announced construction is on land already inside the east Jerusalem neighborhoods or not and couldn't get a straight answer. I'm about as supportive of Israel as anyone can get, but I need maps, charts, air takeoff and landing routes, etc. as to why the apartments continue to be built to the east rather than inside the green line.

Lawhawk, do you know any specific materials addressing the fence route, neighborhood boundaries, etc.? It may be impossible to change this, but we need to try.

Unfortunately, in this neck of the woods we are surrounded by Dhimmis who enjoy their status.re: #9 lifeofthemind

re: #172 Venezuela lover
People have seen Michelle's undergrad thesis from Princeton and it is poorly written and poorly thought out. It screams, "I have been discriminated against."

re: #136 Iron Fist
He is the Farrahkhan candidate.

re: #179 Sunlight

The arab 'irritation' with 'settlements' is simply the expedient complaint of the day for the arabs.

Before 67, there were no 'settlements'. There were no 'palestinians' either.

The 'irritation' of the arabs with Israel has nothing to do with settlements. It has everything to do with having a non-muslim, Jewish nation thriving within their midst.

Israel is not only a refutation of Islamic prophecy, but a source of potential instability to the autocratic arab regimes which surround her - as the contrast in quality of life and personal freedom reflects badly on them.

It is a total buy-in to the false 'palestinian' line.

The 'palestinians' are a genocidal weapon, targeted at the Jews, created by the arab world with Soviet help in the 70's, masquerading as a nationality. Using the lexicon of nationalism and liberation form occupation (as well as terrorism), they have inserted themselves into the west's consciousness as a counterbalance to the dramatic and just return of the Jews to their native land.

They are the best weapon the arab world has ever fielded. They have managed to turn David into Goliath, up into down, and murderers into heroes.

But it seems they have overreached. The palestinain 'culture' is about as warped and depraved as could be imagined. It would be non-sustainable without the West's buy in.

And that is where you, and others like you, come in. Your wanting to view the minutiae of maps, charts, air takeoff routes and the like, as if those factors had anything to do with Israel's non-acceptance in the region, is ridiculous, frankly.

re: #23 Claire
In his mind he has been elected for "eight to ten years" - now, what kind of presidential term is this? One gaffe after another, and he gets away with it. He is a walking gaffe machine.

re: #183 Maine's Michael
I am in favor of more Jewish settlements - it is like showing a candle in the dark, the dark being the Araba/Pali mindset of the 7th century.

re: #129 DisturbedEma
It was Carter who lost Iran - and we are paying bigtime for that.

re: #179 Sunlight

...build east of Jerusalem is worse than the rockets fired onto Israeli civilians...

I've argued with this type. They've drunk deeply of the kool-aid. The moral equivlence of the left is a tough nut to crack.

E. Jerusalem, is land won when the Arabs started a war. Non-sequitor arguement.

Building is equivalent to randomly firing rockets and killing kids. That's what he's saying.

Whack him with Nekama's Troll Hammer and leave it at that, logical doesn't normally work.

re: #183 Maine's Michael

I do agree. I was so flummoxed by the premises that I just stared. So we just let these people go who have swallowed the arab line...

Obama’s Fact-Fudging Mission in Iraq

The problem with Obama’s vision for the future of America’s role in the region is that his understanding of the war and the consequences of victory or defeat is stagnant and superficial. He hasn’t changed his proposed policy despite all the changes on the ground over the course of the war. He says that Afghanistan, not Iraq, is the main front in the war on terror and backs this claim with the recent increase in violence over there. This raises the question of why he didn’t see Iraq as the main front when Al-Qaeda was wreaking havoc on Iraq and not only redirected almost all of its resources and fighters to the country but even declared it an Islamic state.

“The road to Quds [Jerusalem] passes through Karbala,” Khomeini said in the 1980s. “We must not forget that Jerusalem is a stone’s throw from Baghdad,” Zawahiri said two years ago.

History proves that every terrorist and extremist in the region sees Iraq as the epicenter of their war. Neither Khomeini nor Zawahiri had Jerusalem as a priority. The priority has always been Iraq; that’s why one wanted to export the revolution and the other sought to establish the Caliphate in Iraq.

re: #187 jcm

I've argued with this type. They've drunk deeply of the kool-aid. The moral equivlence of the left is a tough nut to crack.

E. Jerusalem, is land won when the Arabs started a war. Non-sequitor arguement.

Building is equivalent to randomly firing rockets and killing kids. That's what he's saying.

Whack him with Nekama's Troll Hammer and leave it at that, logical doesn't normally work.

Not equivalent... building is "worse" because Israel can be convinced to change what they do. Which I guess means the Palis, et al, can't be expected to change. He's drunk deeply of the kool-aid even though he isn't a lefty. That's really bad. It's why I keep saying that no matter how much the paper and network numbers are going down, until educated people stop reading the morning papers, nothing will change as far as the kool aid.

re: #189 Kenneth

Obama’s Fact-Fudging Mission in Iraq

Well, I saw a clip (on Fox, maybe?) of McCain saying that the surge worked and so we can refocus on Afghanistan and we'll know just what to do. I thought that was a really really good statement, but haven't seen it repeated. Obama just says, "send more troops". But doesn't talk tactics and doesn't have a track record like McCain of advocating for and supporting the generals who planned and carried out the successful surge... McCain needs to say this over and over. But he doesn't.

re: #191 Sunlight

Obama's position is insane. He says the Surge didn't succeed in Iraq. Then he turns around & says we need a surge in Afghanistan. Duh?

Anytime S. Eraket reports on what someone else said, my bs antenna starts to wiggle.
If, as reported BHO actually said he would not waste a minute, it begs the question, doing what?

Clearly, S Peres sees that BHO needs to do a lot of reading to even get a glimmer of the complexity embodied in the phrase, 'Mideast Conflict', hence his present of a book he wrote on Hertzl.

Unfortunately none of us as yet has a clue as to the true paucity of knowledge or understanding of ME history possessed by BHO. Again, unfortunately, we will know soon enough.

Fortunately however, I have faith that the Israelis have seen through this hollow cypher and will run rings around him.

Final thought - having been there twice myself, seeing him at Yad Vashem (I know it is an obligatory visit) was almost too much to take.

re: #192 Kenneth

Obama's position is insane. He says the Surge didn't succeed in Iraq. Then he turns around & says we need a surge in Afghanistan. Duh?

That's the point. He will never call it a surge because he's against any "surge". McCain needs to jump all over this. He'll have to say is every day because the morning papers will not write this into any article. How are we supposed to have an election campaign when our "free" press is the marketing department for one of the parties. We have to figure out a distribution system for the "new media" that replaces the paper on the breakfast table and the corner kiosk. Not enough people are on the web to get the info out.

re: #189 Kenneth

It speaks to the ignorance of history and lack of imagination of Obama and his advisers.

The choice of Iraq as the battlefield for transformation of the Arab world was an inspired one.

Not only does Iraq sit on a motherload of oil critical to the oil based world economy, but Iraq is and has always been considred the cultural heart and backbone of the muslim Arab world.

Change Iraq for the better, and you will slowly promote change in the rest of the Arab world. A free Iraq's progress would also delegitimize the Saudi approach, now current in the Arab world, of increased rather than less Islamic fundamentalism.

Of course, the execution of the war was totally fucked up until the surge, And it is that fuck up which seems to be torpedoing the republicans this year.

McCain should argue this point when The One says McCain supported the wrong war.

Afghanistan and Al Quaida are side shows, by comparison, when viewed in this perspective.

Obama wants Israel as a friend with benefits.

He is going to screw the "friend" at ever opportunity.

re: #186 Alibaba

It was Carter who lost Iran - and we are paying bigtime for that.

Yep- and he also has this pseudocred that people swoon over. . .

Most Jews support Obama. Explain that, please.

re: #196 Opinionated

Obama wants Israel as a friend with benefits.

He is going to screw the "friend" at ever opportunity.

And never call unless it is a booty call. . .

re: #198 quickjustice

Most Jews support Obama. Explain that, please.

Most Americans support Obama. Explain that, please.

re: #198 quickjustice

Most Jews support Obama. Explain that, please.

Cannot, limitations on post length. . .

re: #200 Maine's Michael

Most Americans support Obama. Explain that, please.

He is the "proof" that we are no longer racist. . .unless we ask questions. . .

re: #195 Maine's Michael

It speaks to the ignorance of history and lack of imagination of Obama and his advisers.

The choice of Iraq as the battlefield for transformation of the Arab world was an inspired one.

Not only does Iraq sit on a motherload of oil critical to the oil based world economy, but Iraq is and has always been considred the cultural heart and backbone of the muslim Arab world.

Change Iraq for the better, and you will slowly promote change in the rest of the Arab world. A free Iraq's progress would also delegitimize the Saudi approach, now current in the Arab world, of increased rather than less Islamic fundamentalism.

Of course, the execution of the war was totally fucked up until the surge, And it is that fuck up which seems to be torpedoing the republicans this year.

McCain should argue this point when The One says McCain supported the wrong war.

Afghanistan and Al Quaida are side shows, by comparison, when viewed in this perspective.

The whole Great Satan/hostage situation happened on a weak man's watch- and they are hoping for another straw president. . .

re: #198 quickjustice

Most Jews support Obama. Explain that, please.

Pat Buchanan showing up everywhere in the republican world does not help.

Ann Coulter does not help.

These may be fringe elements, but they are very visible.

re: #114 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Casual Jew - a Cashew?

LOL. Usually only here that about people who are one half Jewish and one half Catholic.

re: #200 Maine's Michael

Most Americans support Obama. Explain that, please.

Too many American can no longer distinguish between real life and reality shows and contests.

In every instance they want the "coolest" guy to win.

re: #195 Maine's Michael

Change Iraq for the better, and you will slowly promote change in the rest of the Arab world. A free Iraq's progress would also delegitimize the Saudi approach, now current in the Arab world, of increased rather than less Islamic fundamentalism.

That sounds almost optimistic... who are you and what have you done with Michael?!?

But seriously, you are dead on about the centrality of Iraq. That's why the jihadists want to re- establish their caliphate in Baghdad. They see it as the rebirth of the Abasid Caliphate.

The reason Jews vote Democrat is because they are blind, in exactly the same way that German Jews in the 1930's were blind.

I bang my head against the wall over this, and all I get are bumps and bruises, but no substantive answers.

Maybe a better title for this thread would have been "Obama's Israel Rope-A-Dope".

re: #207 Kenneth

That sounds almost optimistic... who are you and what have you done with Michael?!?

Wine is a wonderful thing.

re: #76 faraway

Has Obama ever uttered the word "victory"?

He's waiting until after Election Day.

re: #210 Maine's Michael

Yes it is!

re: #212 ploome hineni

Yes he is!

re: #195 Maine's Michael

The choice of Iraq as the battlefield for transformation of the Arab world was an inspired one.

(and)

Of course, the execution of the war was totally fucked up until the surge, And it is that fuck up which seems to be torpedoing the the republicans this year.

That and the total refusal and/or inability of the administration to communicate to the U.S. the points you have so well made. I've nearly wept with frustration and blown up with rage because Bush should have been on the tube every two months in the evening getting citizens to understand the crucial Iraq front (and as if anyone could win a war in Afghanistan! Impossible physically, logistically, and culturally).

Americans are furious not just because of the war, but because of the arrogance of the administration in declining to connect with the people - it was their blood and treasure being spent in Iraq. The least they might expect back is being respected as to their trust. But citizens have been effectively snubbed for 7 years. I think that plays a larger part than most realize in America's slowly declining public support as polled.

re: #214 ploome hineni

aw, sweetie

do you take the host during mass, is your heart with Jesus? or do you put on the tefillin

Quand ad Romam.......

re: #85 sattv4u2

WAIT. Obama's been there for 24 hours. You mean to tell me the middle east problems aren't fixed?

And the oceans haven't stopped rising, and the earth hasn't begun to heal, and ...

re: #218 ploome hineni

No. I've got a couple of keppas lying around, and my father's as well as a prayer shawl that one of his uncles gave to him.

ploome,
Have also got a menorah. And the only Hebrew I can write is my mother's name. I've got lots of crucifixes (mostly from funerals of family members), a number of Bibles and other stuff. Been to Rome, but wife doesn't want to go to Israel. (She's afraid of being blown up.) No black velvet Moses' or Christs.

re: #217 grumpy old codger

Quand ad Romam.......

Man, you'd better hope there aren't any Latin teachers reading this thread, or you're gonna get the ding-dang-downest down-dinging that was ever done donged...

re: #178 Kosh's Shadow

Negotiating with Abbasshole is useless. First, he will accept nothing less than the eventual destruction of Israel; as a first step, the 1967 borders and return of all the "refugees" to Israel.
Second, he has little real power; Fatah is corrupt, and Hamas has more power.
At this stage, "negotiating" needs to be done by eliminating those in power who cannot accept Israel as a Jewish state, and convincing anyone else to change their mind. I won't say how many I think that will involve killing.

Who you think will replace Abbas? Someone better?

Obviously, the Israeli perspective is different than ours. They generally love Bush. When I pointed out to my cousins a few troublesome things (money to Fatah and many visits to the Arab countries, Condi/Abbas, etc.), they remarked, "Well that's politics. He has to talk to them [the Arabs]." When you live in such a volatile area, you learn to compromise more readily. Well, if you're not bloodthirsty thugs... The only thing that there should be NO compromise on is Jerusalem.

Anyway, Israel will continue to work with whomever they have to work with, because that's all there is.

If you look at U.S. Congressional voting, we support Israel about 90-95% of the time. That will not change if Obama should become president. And I think it's a bit disengenous to post a picture of Obama with Abbas like he's the only one willing to sit down with him when Bush & Co. has done it many, many, many times.

Obama may be bad for Israel. I'm not entirely convinced he will be. I don't know, but you can't prove it by that picture.

re: #224 Throbert McGee
You're right. Six years of Latin and I'm still screwing in up. Ad means direction or movement to. in means location. Accusative, first whatever noun (see!). Getting old is for the dogs.

re: #224 Throbert McGee

Declension?

re: #225 marjoriemoon

That's been the pattern till now.

It doesn't work.

Israelis continue to die and get maimed, while the even 'best friend' Bush makes noises about settlements and 'two states', etc, while condi goes even farther.

A new approach is required, that calls a spade a spade, with corresponding actions and consequences.

I have many relatives in Israel. Many see things clearly, but the majority, like in the USA, do not delve too deeply inti things, and , with a smidgen of stockholm syndrome thrown in, choose to see things as 'as good as they can be'.

While understandable, this does not justify going along with things the way they are.

Obama Foreign Policy and the MSM adores him.

Another good one by Steve Kelley.

Ben Hur, thanks for the Fight Club reference. Unfortunately Michelle cut off the Obamanation's 'crystal balls' twenty years ago when she inveighled him to join that racist Church, which shall not be named.

As for why many Jews support the Obamanation despite his grand friendships with Pali terrorists and their supporters throughout his lifetime, the problem is most Jews' continued reverence for FDR and the dem party of that day, and their substitution of what Judaism means with what the democratic platform in any given year is.
Since democrat party=judaism, then republicanism=goyische world, even though the policies of the dem party if carried out most likely would lead to the destruction of Israel and its Jewish population.
It's no wonder, as the Obamanation says, that Israel is Israel's best friend, cause if Israel certainly cannot count on any dem in the WH not to sell her out for a piece of paper, for 'peace in our time' and other dem lunacies.

Here's an Obamanation joke I just found and it's not half bad:

"In Atlanta, religious groups have forced an art gallery to shut down a brazen exhibition of a six-foot image of Jesus in chocolate. Or, as Democrats call it, Barack Obama," with no apologies to Bill Maher.

re: #146 jcm

Scary isn't it that this woman is the "smart" one from our state. She is a dumb as a box of rocks. If we have to make it on solar power in the Puget Sound area, we will be mighty cold come winter!

re: #28 DisturbedEma

FUCKING A! As in I hope this happens again? Fellow Jews WAKE THE FUCK UP!

Unfortunately, many Jews enjoy the same malaise of "willful blindness" of what's going on around them: Obama is to Rev. Wright; Jews are to Democrats.

Sad.

re: #230 ploome hineni

what does Romam mean?

A Throbert pointed out my Latin is rusty, however, Roma, -ae. Feminine. is a first declension noun. The -am means accusative case. Throbert correctly reminds me that Romam, the accusative form of the noun, should be Roma, that is in the ablative as ad Romam means to (go in the direction of) versus in Roma which indicates place.
Esoteric stuff.
Or as the old saying goes:
Latin's a dead language, It's as dead as dead can be.
It killed the ancient Romans and now it's killing me.

re: #48 winston06

Is he going to show his true colors when elected? Abandoning Israel? Following Dhimmi Carter's path to destroy Israel?

He no doubt will make Jimmy Carter ambassador to Israel.

re: #56 galtg

Let's have a pool.

how long to he "clarifies" "refines" his position on israel

I say 3 days

There ya go!

re: #69 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, Jesse said we should take his balls.

I Michelle already took them.

sunlight -

Not equivalent... building is "worse" because Israel can be convinced to change what they do. Which I guess means the Palis, et al, can't be expected to change. He's drunk deeply of the kool-aid even though he isn't a lefty. That's really bad. It's why I keep saying that no matter how much the paper and network numbers are going down, until educated people stop reading the morning papers, nothing will change as far as the kool aid.

You will find that even in the warmest of hearts there is cold spot for the Jews.

re: #238 J. Lichty

That's where I've gotten to thinking. Brings one to tears. So disappointing.

re: #240 ploome hineni

eh?

re: #228 Maine's Michael

That's been the pattern till now.

It doesn't work.

Israelis continue to die and get maimed, while the even 'best friend' Bush makes noises about settlements and 'two states', etc, while condi goes even farther.

A new approach is required, that calls a spade a spade, with corresponding actions and consequences.

I have many relatives in Israel. Many see things clearly, but the majority, like in the USA, do not delve too deeply inti things, and , with a smidgen of stockholm syndrome thrown in, choose to see things as 'as good as they can be'.

While understandable, this does not justify going along with things the way they are.

Well I think you'd agree things got worse during the intifada. Particularly the Arab propaganda machine went into full swing which is in direct correlation to the rise of anti-Semitism around the world.

A new approach is required, yes, but what would that be? They won't own up to actions or consequences. Shut off their lights, their water? Who will be blamed for that? Israel fights Arabs with one hand and world opinion with the other. Terrible thing.

re: #223 ploome hineni

leave the wife at home, send her to a spa, go alone

it may do you good

re: #222 grumpy old codger

ploome,
Have also got a menorah. And the only Hebrew I can write is my mother's name. I've got lots of crucifixes (mostly from funerals of family members), a number of Bibles and other stuff. Been to Rome, but wife doesn't want to go to Israel. (She's afraid of being blown up.) No black velvet Moses' or Christs.

Go on your own, ploome is right. I went with a Baptist + unaffiliated Church group and I would go back tomorrow if I could! It was such a wonderful experience, meeting Israeli's that are happy we came and know we love and support them; going to all the locations where Jesus conducted his ministry; and historical sites as well. Already I am planning next years trip and it will probably be two trips, God willing, despite the long, long flight over. Get in shape. There is lots of arduous walking and climbing (Megiddo and the Golan Heights). But there were a number of older people that almost out walked me, I have terrible asthma and still had no problems.

On topic, I've been on several Israeli news websites this afternoon and if Obama is popular here you couldn't tell by the comments of readers from America or most responding from Israel. I pray that is a good sign that people are beginning to see through him to his lack of experience and judgment. So, I must be a bigot, because I do!now.

nice pic of arafat in the background too

re: #240 ploome hineni
Even amongst some American Jews, I'm afraid.

"... where he assured Palestinian leaders he’d get involved in the Mideast conflict quickly,..."

Oh good grief! Just give them a piece of your tough love solution for Iraq and Afghanistan.
"Yo dudes, get yo shit together."

Looking the photo of the day

Who has the upper hand here? Look at Obama's thumb. Abbas has his thumb on top, Obama's is tucked in. Nobody but a child would grasp a hand like that. He is submitting plain and simple.