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Discussion: A Veep for McCain?

Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 8:46:03 am PDT

Here’s an open thread for a specific topic: who do you think would be the best Vice President for John McCain? I have to admit it’s difficult for me to get excited about any of the names currently being tossed into the ring. Maybe it’s time for a surge of fresh ideas from the lizard army...

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:46:40am

RUDY!

2 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:46:58am

Or Romney.

3 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:47:11am

Ron Perlman(AKA HellBoy)

4 RTLM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:47:51am

Mitt Romney

5 Lively  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:47:58am

How about Edwards and his new ride?

///

6 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:48:03am

General David Petraeus? not realistic, but it sure would be nice...

7 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:48:39am

OK I could use the job, two questions.

Can my dog live in the VP house?
Do I have to enforce All of the rules of the Senate?

8 calvin coolidge  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:48:58am

Wait, isn't Obama already President?

9 Vergeltung  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:48:59am

I think Rudy would be good. Don't think Thompson is good, nor is Jindal. Rudy has balls, and is a national hero re 9/11. I think everyone respects his leadership abilities, even if he is soft on abortion and the "alternative lifestyle" stuff...

10 BingoBunny  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:49:00am

he should offer VP to Hillary.. she'd jump at it like Bill jumps at Monica.

11 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:49:13am

Sarah Palin

/who doesn't want the job :-( but who would pick up a bunch of Hillary Dems...

(Is that how she spells her name?)

12 A Reasonable Man  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:49:42am

Barring skeletons in her closet of which I'm unaware, I continue to thinK Sarah Palin would be the best choice to ensure a victory in November. I think she's at least as likable and media-savvy as Obama and would quickly suck some of the media attention away from him. Anyone else would have no impact - the VP never does, unless it's something unique like the first woman to win on a presidential ticket.

13 Lively  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:49:48am

re: #7 lifeofthemind

OK I could use the job, two questions.

Can my dog live in the VP house?
Do I have to enforce All of the rules of the Senate?

Yes.

I believe you would get to re-decorate the doghouse, too.

14 Lively  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:49:59am

re: #8 calvin coolidge

Wait, isn't Obama already President?


LOL

15 rasachema  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:50:09am

Rice, Romney or Rudy.

16 RTLM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:50:15am

If McCain does get elected he will likely be a one termer. He needs a runnning mate that can help get hom elected and one that can run and win in 2012. Romney has the intellegence and the stature to fit that bill.

Also has a lot less baggage than Rudy Giuliani.

17 Alouette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:50:19am

Sarah Palin
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
Michael Steele
Joe Lieberman
MandyManners

18 TheBad  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:50:32am

Ron Paul - there, now he can't complain his name wasn't in there.

19 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:50:42am

HILLARY.

20 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:50:49am

Good morning Lizardia!
Couldn't get in earlier this morning. What's up with that?
I like Mitt. I really liked Rudy, but I think he may not be up for it.

21 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:51:04am

re: #17 Alouette

suckup

22 rasachema  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:51:13am

wait..with Rice you giut youth, black and female. if dems dont vote for that then tha makes them triple racist anti femmes.

23 bryantms  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:51:28am

Whoever it is needs to pull McCain more to the right to a.) pick up the conservatives who are still hesitant b.) save the supreme court nominations and c.) prevent McCain from sliming the Republican title he holds.

24 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:51:49am

re: #12 A Reasonable Man

Psst! I'll + you if you'll + me!

;-)

25 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:51:51am

Romney is the best of the names being tossed around.

26 Alouette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:10am

re: #22 rasachema

wait..with Rice you giut youth, black and female. if dems dont vote for that then tha makes them triple racist anti femmes.

The problem is that while in the DOS, the Saudis removed Condi's brain and replaced it with Folger's Crystals.

27 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:12am

re: #19 Ben Hur

HILLARY.


You beat me to it! you are EVIL!

28 mbruce  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:15am

Michael Steele would make Obama twitch a bit.

29 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:26am

Don't care who - as long as Bolton gets to be Sec of State!

30 yitzy  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:31am

re: #18 TheBad

Ron Paul - there, now he can't complain his name wasn't in there.

Damn, you beat me to it. B-(

31 Lively  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:35am

re: #23 bryantms

Whoever it is needs to pull McCain more to the right to a.) pick up the conservatives who are still hesitant b.) save the supreme court nominations and c.) prevent McCain from sliming the Republican title he holds.

If I were Pres, I wouldn't consult with the VP on the Supremes.

/but that's just me

32 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:35am

Rudy!

All right, now that I think of it, maybe not. Two older men with health issues are probably not a good ticket.

33 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:40am

Rudy can't get it because of Bernie Kerick, pity because he'd burn things up. Lieberman is to old for this ticket I think. Not happy with Condoleeza but she may work. Would prefer Colin Powell to her I think.
Guess it is Palin or Romney.

34 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:42am

re: #22 rasachema

wait..with Rice you giut youth, black and female. if dems dont vote for that then tha makes them triple racist anti femmes.

Rice- You want to sell Israel down the drain? I don't think she is young either-but I'll give you black and female.

35 bryantms  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:57am

re: #29 yma o hyd

Don't care who - as long as Bolton gets to be Sec of State!

AMEN TO THAT! He was great as UN Ambassador.

36 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:58am

John Bolton for Secretary of State!

37 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:52:59am

re: #19 Ben Hur

HILLARY.


Hillarious

38 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:53:01am

latest odds from SATTV4U2

MITT 45% (if not, how about Sec of Commerce0
RUDY 25% (perhaps saving him for AG or Homeland Security)
PAWLENTY 20% (the negative is his lack of name recognition)
JINDAL 10% (too young and inexperienced which we want to use against Obama but mentioning his name gives him a boost for 2012)

39 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:53:14am

re: #17 Alouette

Michael Steele is an excellent choice, now that you mention it.

40 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:53:18am

re: #18 TheBad

Heh, I was just about to suggest the same thing.

41 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:53:29am

Nobody has asked, but I would be gravitas, youthful good looks and humility to the campaign.

42 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:53:34am

Michael Steele

43 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:53:43am

re: #39 Dianna

Michael Steele is an excellent choice, now that you mention it.

I don't like him but I doubt he will be picked so who cares.

44 rasachema  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:02am

re: #26 Alouette

i hear ya. tru dat.

45 taylork  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:22am

How about T. Boone Pickins? Seeing as he's been on every media outlet for the last two weeks, maybe McCain could finally get some press coverage.

46 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:28am

re: #41 JammieWearingFool

Nobody has asked, but I would be gravitas, youthful good looks and humility to the campaign.

well ,,, one outta three's not bad !

47 Alouette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:35am

BBL, gotta pick up my daughter at the airport.

48 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:45am

re: #17 Alouette

Sarah Palin
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
Michael Steele
Joe Lieberman
MandyManners

MM for SecState.

49 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:45am

re: #22 rasachema

Condi would be a very bad choice for McCain. She has no electoral experience, she alienates the conservative base and is too closely associated with Bush. Sorry, no Rice.

50 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:48am

re: #46 sattv4u2

well ,,, one outta three's not bad !

which of the 3?

51 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:54:56am

re: #33 lifeofthemind

Not happy with Condoleeza but she may work.


Yesterday she was asked who she was voting for and she wouldn't say. I don't think she's a McCain fan.

52 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:55:00am

re: #45 taylork

How about T. Boone Pickins? Seeing as he's been on every media outlet for the last two weeks, maybe McCain could finally get some press coverage.

yeah ,, and that way,l McCain will be the YOUNG gun !

53 Izzy Dunne  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:55:10am

Cheney / Bolton - 2008!

54 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:55:14am

re: #38 sattv4u2

latest odds from SATTV4U2

MITT 45% (if not, how about Sec of Commerce0
RUDY 25% (perhaps saving him for AG or Homeland Security)
PAWLENTY 20% (the negative is his lack of name recognition)
JINDAL 10% (too young and inexperienced which we want to use against Obama but mentioning his name gives him a boost for 2012)

Rudy for Homeland Security - yesss!

55 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:55:21am

re: #50 madisonsfriend

which of the 3?

hehehehehehe,,

56 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:55:30am

THREAD ME!

'Allah meat' astounds Nigerians

Diners have been flocking to a restaurant in northern Nigeria to see pieces of meat which the owner says are inscribed with the name of Allah.

What looks like the Arabic word for God and the name of the prophet Muhammad were discovered in pieces of beef by a diner in Birnin Kebbi.

I will not say what I think that picture looks like.

57 rasachema  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:55:50am

how about Bog Mac nominate Obama as veep. now thats cockiness.

58 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:05am
59 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:08am

I think Senator McCain needs someone with executive experience, someone who will be able to handle the job should they need to rise to the occasion. A complete unknown will have to be introduced to the public- given the attention is currently in the other camp's favor- an unknown is probably not the best choice. That leaves an executive people are already familiar with, and that brings me back to either Rudy or Mitt.

60 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:17am

re: #56 Ben Hur

Supernatural Graffiti!

61 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:18am

re: #26 Alouette

The problem is that while in the DOS, the Saudis removed Condi's brain and replaced it with Folger's Crystals.

It's the alien pod people in the state department that replaced her, like they replaced everyone else who worked there, and her predecessors (except for those who were already anti-Israel)
/do I need to?

62 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:18am

I ordered a yard sign under the 'store' menu (only $7) - [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

You can contribute as well to not have a muslim run America 7 years after 9.11 - that so many are trying to make seem even remotely likely with lots of whitewashing.

63 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:30am

re: #43 madisonsfriend

OK, what are his negatives? I've like the op-eds I've read, and I've liked some of his speeches, but I admit that he's an eastern politician, and I'm a west coast girl.

64 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:32am

A copy of Reagan's speeches.

65 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:40am

McCain/BOLTON '08!

66 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:56:45am

re: #46 sattv4u2

well ,,, one outta three's not bad !

You're right. I still have my looks.

/

67 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:15am
68 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:17am

JC Watts. I always expected him to be the first black President, really. He doesn't appear to want it, but I think he'd answer if his country called.

69 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:17am

only $7 - 7 years after 9.11 a muslim trying so hard with the help of so many to seem likely - NOT

www.johnmccain.com/citizens

70 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:29am

re: #58 JammieWearingFool

Carly Fiorina?

Not a bad idea at all!

71 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:33am

re: #66 JammieWearingFool

You're right. I still have my looks.

/

oh ,,, I was giving you the gravitas thingy !

72 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:39am

re: #17 Alouette

Sarah Palin
Rudy Giuliani
Mitt Romney
Michael Steele
Joe Lieberman
MandyManners

Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, and Michael Steele are at the top of my personal list, but I do love the last name there. She's a real asskicker who would take no shit from anyone. :-)

73 kawfytawk  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:41am

I like Duncan Hunter and Mitt Romney for VP

Although Duncan Hunter would be bashing McCain's immigration/illegal alien policy so that is a no-go

74 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:57:44am

re: #16 RTLM

If McCain does get elected he will likely be a one termer. He needs a runnning mate that can help get hom elected and one that can run and win in 2012. Romney has the intellegence and the stature to fit that bill.

Also has a lot less baggage than Rudy Giuliani.

Agree with your analysis there. I think Romney would be a good pick for VP.

Rudy would be my first choice for Attorney General.

75 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:58:20am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

I volunteer to run with McCain. I always know what to do when things get verse.

I second that emotion, though I'm partial to Duncan Hunter.

Of course, we could also ask "who do we never want to see again?" That's the historical use of the VP slot.

76 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:58:25am

re: #61 Kosh's Shadow

It's the alien pod people in the state department that replaced her, like they replaced everyone else who worked there, and her predecessors (except for those who were already anti-Israel)
/do I need to?

Thats why imho Bolton is a must for SecState!

77 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:58:38am

Anybody that thinks Mitt-the-Shitt is a positive, never lived in Mass. He was awol from the state more than he was here, and the health care plan he set up is a disaster. I rate him even with Duval Patrick, Bill Weld, Mike Dukakis, and others that we have had. I was glad to seem him go, unfortunately his replacement is no better. He is a simple political opportunist. No more, no less.

78 Tenacious  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:58:50am

It's an unrealistic wet dream, but John Bolton.

79 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:58:59am

I voted for Mitt in the primary, so I'd love to see him as VP. My dream ticket, however, in 2012 or 2016, is Jindal/Palin. Or Palin/Jindal, I'm flexible.

80 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:04am

re: #56 Ben Hur

THREAD ME!

'Allah meat' astounds Nigerians

I will not say what I think that picture looks like.

That is some funky looking meat. (message to self: Don't eat the green Kibbe)

81 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:05am

One thing going for Rudy- he appeals to the all important "undecideds".

82 Carolyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:07am

Steve Emerson
David Horowitz
Bud Day?

83 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:10am

re: #67 buzzsawmonkey

Oddly enough, you'd probably be a good choice.

84 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:25am

re: #76 yma o hyd

Thats why imho Bolton is a must for SecState!

Yes; he survived being in the UN; he can keep his mind while at the state department.

85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:26am

re: #75 Lucius Septimius

I second that emotion, though I'm partial to Duncan Hunter.

Of course, we could also ask "who do we never want to see again?" That's the historical use of the VP slot.

in this case, the question is "who do we want to run in 2012?"

86 Cato  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:32am

re: #6 Kenneth

The General will be the next president after whoever wins this time.

87 MonkeySon  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:41am

Thompson.

And McCain resigns immediately after taking the oath of office.

88 kawfytawk  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:42am

re: #68 Iron Fist

I do like JC Watts...good head on his shoulders

89 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:48am

re: #27 NoSubmission

You beat me to it! you are EVIL!

It would be the slam dunk ticket.

Hillary supporters in my office are voting for McCain.

And just imagine Hillary and McCain knockin boots in the Lincoln bedroom with Bill getting whipped by Mistress McCain in the corner.

90 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:59:49am

re: #70 yma o hyd

She's a terrible idea.

91 taylork  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:00:08am

re: #70 yma o hyd

Not a bad idea at all!

Plus it's not like the Obama campaign would have a leg to stand on when criticizing here lack of national security credentials.

92 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:00:39am

Romney

93 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:00:51am

re: #81 Sharmuta

One thing going for Rudy- he appeals to the all important "undecideds".


/Maybe he does, and maybe he doesn't.

94 researchok  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:00:55am

Marsha Blackburn- a dark horse candidate to be sure, but she would be a good fit.

She's for open budget/full disclosure, which highlights the difference between her and Nancy Pelosi, for starters.

She's a southern candidate with wide appeal.

95 Banner  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:00:55am

Me!

I want a nice cushy no-show job where I get lots of free travel and other perks! Or course people would hate me if I ever became president, I'd cut the budget to the bone, reduce taxes by 50 percent, would write executive orders to drill all over the place, and would be pushing to repeal all those laws that take rights away from the individuals.

Oh, I'd bomb the 'you know what' out of Iran and tell the Russians and Chinese to pound salt as I built up the missile defense system and put a colony on the moon.

96 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:00am

re: #72 Honorary Yooper

Sarah Palin, Mitt Romney, and Michael Steele are at the top of my personal list, but I do love the last name there. She's a real asskicker who would take no shit from anyone. :-)

MandyManners for Secretary of Virtue and Vice!

97 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:01am

Jessica Simpson. Talk about gravity!

98 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:03am

re: #84 Kosh's Shadow

Yes; he survived being in the UN; he can keep his mind while at the state department.

I'm reading his book at the moment - that man can smell digested cow food miles away, and he takes no prisoners.

Pity we can't have him ...

99 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:20am

re: #94 researchok

Marsha Blackburn- a dark horse candidate to be sure, but she would be a good fit.

She's for open budget/full disclosure, which highlights the difference between her and Nancy Pelosi, for starters.

She's a southern candidate with wide appeal.

Marsha Marsha Marsha.

100 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:22am

re: #71 sattv4u2

oh ,,, I was giving you the gravitas thingy !

Although after a lot of time at the beach this week, McCain may appear way too pale next to me. Plus, I think I'd tower over him. I can give Romney a run for his money in the hair department as well, though I don't color it.

101 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:40am

Hmmmm... I smell a polling opportunity.

The possible nominees (in no order of preference):
1) Rudy
2) Pawlenty
3) Fiorina
4) Fred Thompson
5) Jindal
6) Palin
7) Joementum
8) Mitt

My personal preference would probably be Rudy, especially if McCain wants the VP to be along the lines of a Cheney style active VP role. However, Rudy might chafe if he's not given a more active role in governance (Rudy might be better suited at DHS or Justice or TSA for example).

Joementum would alienate conservatives, and not really bring anything new to the table except his maverickness.
Palin and Fiorina are interesting options - but some might see them as little more as Gerry Ferraro figures, rather than on the merits of their respective capabilities (and Fiorina has an added demerit of pretty much running HP into the ground).

Mitt might be a good move, but it's hard to tell whether he'd help geographically.

Jindal is probably seen as being too inexperienced. However, watch for him to have a more prominent role at the Convention - grooming for a 2012 run?

102 stevieray  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:01:46am

Cheney! Just for the wail of anguish we'd hear.

Four more years!

103 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:02:06am

I never contributed to a campaign but John got my max of $2300

Photos: [Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

104 zombie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:02:08am

About at OT as it is possible to get:

New at zomblog:

Injured seal on nude beach

Politics? Who needs 'em? Just look at that pair of sad eyes!

105 zombie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:02:27am

About at OT = About as OT

106 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:02:31am

re: #70 yma o hyd

Yeah, she only ran HP and Lucent into the ground. She as the smarts of a dumb brick.

107 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:02:42am

McCain / Buzzsawmonkey 08!

108 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:02:45am

re: #90 Dianna

She's a terrible idea.

Why is that?
I only know her from the few bits printed in the papers here - so you do know much better. Thus, I'm really interested in your opinion.

109 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:02am

re: #101 lawhawk

(and Fiorina has an added demerit of pretty much running HP into the ground)

My concern exactly.

110 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:09am

re: #45 taylork

How about T. Boone Pickins? Seeing as he's been on every media outlet for the last two weeks, maybe McCain could finally get some press coverage.

Gah.

111 american jewess in jerusalem  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:35am

JOHN BOLTON! And then McCain should have a non-lethal heart attack on Feb 1st, requiring him to retire. :-)

112 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:36am

re: #104 zombie

About at OT as it is possible to get:

New at zomblog:

Injured seal on nude beach

Politics? Who needs 'em? Just look at that pair of sad eyes!

BTW, NSFW, if the title didn't give that away.

113 Edgar  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:38am

Blumberg.

114 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:39am

On second thought, I do reportedly have a nasty mean streak when it comes down to it, so I could inherit the Darth Cheney mantle.

115 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:41am

re: #99 Ben Hur

Marsha Marsha Marsha.

Moesha, Moesha, Moesha!

116 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:03:43am

re: #104 zombie

So sad!

117 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:13am

re: #113 Edgar

Blumberg.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

118 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:17am

re: #56 Ben Hur

THREAD ME!

'Allah meat' astounds Nigerians


I will not say what I think that picture looks like.

Meat you in Paradise?

119 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:20am

re: #102 stevieray

Cheney! Just for the wail of anguish we'd hear.

Four more years!


Now we're talkin!

120 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:21am

re: #48 jcm

MM for SecState.

Only if I get to *whack* those who need it. I believe I'll need a whole passle of clue-by-fours.

121 ORD neighbor  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:25am

Bolton akbar! :)

122 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:26am

I like the Hillary Clinton idea.

I'd push for Lieberman or Romney otherwise.

123 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:04:30am

OK. I am going to admit some ignorance here. Can I get more info on who Sarah Palin and Michael Steele are?

124 stevieray  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:03am

Michelle Malkin.

125 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:10am
126 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:22am

re: #87 MonkeySon

Thompson.

And McCain resigns immediately after taking the oath of office.

I am with you.

127 dhg4  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:30am

I understand the appeal of Palin, but she just gave birth to her fifth child. She's not leaving Alaska. Also the one way to lose the "experience" issue is to select a newcomer who hasn't finished her first term in statewide office.

Rudy would be great, but would add nothing to a McCain ticket. It's not just Kerick, the man was a great mayor and has actually accomplished something as a public servant (look at NYC's post 1993 murder rate; though Bloomberg's improved on it), but he just has too many skeletons and is too old.

Jindal actually has accomplished a lot already (yes, even more than St. Obama): he re-vamped Louisiana's health care system. Still, like Palin he's in his first term in elective statewide office.

Carly Fiorina may hold some superficial appeal but she was forced out of HP. Even if the changes she made for the company eventually panned out, getting fired is a big negative.

Joe Lieberman has indicated he's not interest. Good. Because he'd be a liability. He won't help McCain with most Democrats and despite his stalwart defense of the war on terror, won't appeal to most Republicans.

Michael Steele never won statewide office on his own. He did not run a good campaign against Cardin.

Romney is probably the best bet because of his fund raising ability. He also has name recognition and, despite his squishiness on conservative principles, did garner the endorsement of the National Review during the primaries. At 60 he's a bit older than ideal, but he's the one who makes the most sense.

The only dark horse that makes any sense is Eric Cantor. Supposedly he's a good fund raiser and good conservative. However he doesn't have the name recognition.

As I wrote above, I fully expect McCain to pick Romney.

128 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:36am

re: #106 Shr_Nfr

Yeah, she only ran HP and Lucent into the ground. She as the smarts of a dumb brick.

Oh.
But she's on McCains campaing committee - a bad choice, then?

129 MJ  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:37am

Anyone who knows how to campaign.

130 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:42am

re: #123 Ford_Prefect

OK. I am going to admit some ignorance here. Can I get more info on who Sarah Palin and Michael Steele are?

Sarah Palin is the current governor of Alaska, and Michael Steele was the Lt. Governor of Maryland. Steele had a Senate run wherein he was pelted with Oreo cookies.

131 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:05:48am

re: #120 MandyManners

Your name is on the list only to make John Bolton look reasonable.

132 Cato  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:02am

Michael Steele
Joe Lieberman

This is the year of identity politics. Many Jews in Florida, NY and NJ, the turning of any one of which could hand the election to McCain, would think deeply about the Republican slate. Similarly, Blacks when given a choice to vote for a conservative black man would choose it because so many have conservative church values despite a liberal welfare state worldview. Steel could make the conservative argument without the leftists labeling it racist. Taking a fraction of the black vote away from Obama might be enough.

133 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:35am

Ford_prefect,

Sarah Palin, firebreathing conservative.

Eats mooseburgers, rides snowmobiles, prolife, lifetime NRA member.

Point guard for state championship basketball team (can beat Obama in hoops) where her nickname was "Sarah Barracuda".

134 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:36am

re: #124 stevieray

Michelle Malkin.

Now there is an idea. Female, Asian, Conservative...

135 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:40am

re: #54 yma o hyd

Rudy for Homeland Security - yesss!

Rudy is probably the only person alive who can make a functioning organization out of the cobbled-together cluster f*ck that is DHS, but I don't think that would be the best use of his talents. Judging by the way he handled The Mob when he was the US attorney in NY I think he would be most useful as Attorney General where he can run the FBI against terrorists.

IMHO the war on islamism will be fought by the DoD overseas and by the FBI at home. DHS is largely a window dressing for PR purposes and Rudy would be wasted there, once again IMHO.

136 Edgar  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:41am

Or Romney - as long as he doesn't raise taxes !

137 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:43am

re: #123 Ford_Prefect

OK. I am going to admit some ignorance here. Can I get more info on who Sarah Palin and Michael Steele are?

Palin is the governor of Alaska (and very easy on the eyes); Steele was former Lt. Gov. of Maryland. He's on Fox a lot.

138 3 wood  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:51am

re: #100 JammieWearingFool

Hey pal, how you doing? I hear you are on vacation. I hope things are going well for you.

139 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:53am

re: #104 zombie

About at OT as it is possible to get:

New at zomblog:

Injured seal on nude beach

Politics? Who needs 'em? Just look at that pair of sad eyes!

Had me in tears earlier already, this did ...

140 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:06:57am

Hell, I'll be eligible by the time the election gets here. I nominate myself, with the promise to begin a new bureau, the Secretary of Offense, to figure out whose ass we should be kicking at any given time.

141 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:00am

The ONLY issue upon which McCain can win is energy. What's hitting ordinary Americans hard is oil and food prices. Hard-hitting, real solutions that reduce prices in the short term while implementing nuclear power and hydro power in the long term can turn the election.

As Alaska governor pushing hard for more domestic oil and gas production, Palin is an excellent choice. She adds energy (no pun intended), gender, youth, glamor, and focus to the ticket.

I also like Romney and Rudy, both of whom understand domestic policy and economics, and have actually delivered in important policy areas.

142 wrenchwench  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:04am

Here's some semi-on topic trivia. There has already been a multi-racial man in the White House. He was Herbert Hoover's vice president.

Charles Curtis (January 25, 1860 – February 8, 1936) was a Representative and a Senator from Kansas as well as the thirty-first Vice President of the United States. Nearly half of Curtis' background was made up of American Indian heritage. His mother, Ellen Pappan Curtis, was one-fourth Kaw, one-fourth Osage, and one-fourth Pottawatomie (as well as one-fourth French). Curtis spent part of his early life on a Kaw reservation, and is the first and only person with acknowledged non-European ancestry to reach either of the two highest offices in the United States government's executive branch. Curtis was the last U.S. Vice President or President to wear a beard or mustache—in his case, a mustache—while in office.
143 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:08am

re: #123 Ford_Prefect

OK. I am going to admit some ignorance here. Can I get more info on who Sarah Palin and Michael Steele are?


Michael Steele - very impressive, conservative black guy

144 Teacake!  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:08am

Jindal says he will do al he can to help McCain get elected, but is not interested in the VP job. His comments have been on local radio all morning.

145 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:17am

I've seen a lot of lizards pushing Sarah Palin - isn't she the Gov of Alaska? And doesn't McCain need someone to bring in a big electoral vote state?
I think Mitt or Rudy for me. I know they are both soft on "conservative" issues - or at least some "conservative" issues, but both are media savvy and both have something neither McCain nor Obama has: executive experience; Mitt as a Govenor, Rudy as a Mayor.
And I don't really care about Rudy's personal life; Obama would have to be a bigger ass than even I think he is to go the personal attack route - he's got more skeletons in his closet than there are in any Big City cemetary.
PLUS - Rudy was chief executive of New York City and had to work with/around (mostly around) a totally liberal, Democratic NYC Council, so if Repub's do lose more seats in Congress, Rudy already knows how to deal with "those people" and get things DONE.
And with Hillary being dissed the way she has been, Rudy could very well bring NYS into the McCain victory column.

146 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:22am

re: #132 Cato

But blacks are not a large group of voters, therefore it might not be that big of a deal to have a black VP

147 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:22am

re: #127 dhg4

In addition, Romney does have the potential of bringing a swing state with him. Not Massachusetts, but Michigan. And that may be all McCain needs to beat Obama this year.

148 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:30am

re: #104 zombie

I'd have called the Marine Mammal Center. They'd have been able to tell you what to do that might help.

149 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:32am
150 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:48am

Matt Drudge

151 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:07:57am

re: #127 dhg4

Agree, Mitt ... plus he brings the Mormon vote with him.

152 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:08:21am

JOHN BOLTON

JOHN BOLTON

JOHN BOLTON

Did I mention I like John Bolton?

153 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:08:41am

A couple of FOX talking heads were putting their bets on Tom Ridge thinking he could sway Pennsylvania. I guess only Penn Staters could address that one.

Why are all these folks so boring?

154 BackwardsBoy  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:08:41am

Fred Thompson would make an excellent VP, (extra-large cojones and straighter talk) but we all know that ain't happenin'. Sarah Palin would be good if she had better name recognition. Mitt Romney seems to be the best compromise and fills McCain's "economic knowledge" gap.

155 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:08:43am

I also have a lifetime membership in the NRA, eat a lot of red meat and would drill in my mother's backyard if there were proven oil reserves there.

Of course, my mother lives in Manhattan, so that could be a problem.

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:03am
157 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:03am

re: #151 turn

How big is the mormon vote the evangelical/protestant/catholic is biger right?

158 playblu  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:11am

I agree with nominating Michael Steele. McCain could peel off a lot of Hillary voters with a woman as VP, and I like the stuff she did with the Bangles.

/wait, what?

159 sattv4u2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:14am

re: #113 Edgar

Blumberg.

GGGAAAAAKKKKKK

160 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:25am

re: #75 Lucius Septimius

I second that emotion, though I'm partial to Duncan Hunter.

Of course, we could also ask "who do we never want to see again?" That's the historical use of the VP slot.

Yes, and hence President Teddy Roosevelt!

/Ya never know...

161 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:26am

If elected as VP my motto will be "You die we fly"

Bush 41 said that when he was Reagan's Veep.

162 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:31am

re: #108 yma o hyd

She ran HP into the ground, and she's not been all that great when she gets involved in anything out here.

She's all image, like when she got all the attention because she drove around in a red Ferrari back in the early '90's. Some magazine wrote her up as the only "man" in an executive position in Silicon Valley.

163 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:36am

re: #111 american jewess in jerusalem

JOHN BOLTON! And then McCain should have a non-lethal heart attack on Feb 1st, requiring him to retire. :-)

Looks good on first sight - but I'd rather have Bolton at State and go trhough it with a couple of iron brooms, before telling all those villainous cretinous dictators whats what, and where to put their threats, and that they better toe the line or else!

164 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:42am

re: #128 yma o hyd

Oh.
But she's on McCains campaing committee - a bad choice, then?

She's a great choice for a campaign committee - lots of rich friends.

She has international business background. Carly, the naysayers notwithstanding, sowed a lot of what Mark Hurd is reaping. But she is NOT a good choice for any political office, IMO.

Mark Hurd, current HP CEO, OTOH is a steely-eyed no-nonsense forward-planning businessman that gets results...but still not a politician that we need right now.

165 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:47am

re: #114 JammieWearingFool

Sorry to hear about your sister-you've had a hell of a year. I hope things get better and that you know no more sorrow.

166 steveoh  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:51am

I'm pulling for Rudy. I contributed to his campaign.
But how about Colin Powell?

167 runrabbitrun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:53am

I'd love to see Romney in there (w/ Mac making a one term pledge)

=D

But I completely agree with the lizards who are thinking more long-term, for a conservative resurgence, after people are tired of having their pockets picked, and their rights made subservient to criminals and non-citizens.

168 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #151 turn

Agree, Mitt ... plus he brings the Mormon vote with him.

All of them? Do you have a number that demographic counts for?

169 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:03am

Jesus.

170 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:07am

re: #58 JammieWearingFool

Carly Fiorina?

Besides what others have already pointed out, have you heard her interviews? Forget her.

171 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:08am

re: #138 3 wood

Hey pal, how you doing? I hear you are on vacation. I hope things are going well for you.


Yup, just waiting on Mrs. JWF to complete her chores and we're off to the beach.

172 winston06  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:22am

McCain/Romney 2008

173 Teacake!  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:38am

Never heard of Michael Steele - but a down to earth black conservative would be a really good choice considering the push for obama is really all about no more old white guys.

174 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:39am

re: #104 zombie

How sad. Poor little guy.

175 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:10:44am

re: #158 playblu

I agree with nominating Michael Steele. McCain could peel off a lot of Hillary voters with a woman as VP, and I like the stuff she did with the Bangles.

/wait, what?


"Vote Like An Egyptian"

176 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:11:05am

Sarah Palin's oldest son joined the Army. (I wonder if Obama has talked to his kids about joining America's military?)

177 Cato  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:11:05am

re: #149 buzzsawmonkey


I know several conservative Jews who voted for Gore because Lieberman was on the ticket.

Do not underestimate the power of belonging to a club.

178 nigella  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:11:22am

I love Rudy, but I would have preferred him for President not Vice President.Not sure Mitt would help either.Lost on this one

179 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:11:41am

re: #49 Kenneth

And she adores the Palestinians.

180 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:11:44am

re: #156 buzzsawmonkey

America is not yet ready for a gay vice president in a greasy straw hat.

Not only that, he has leg tingles.

181 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:07am

re: #169 Ben Hur

{WHACK}

182 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:15am

re: #56 Ben Hur

THREAD ME!

'Allah meat' astounds Nigerians

I will not say what I think that picture looks like.

Extra elbow skin? Testicle sack?

183 akak  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:29am

The Terminatah..

/

184 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:34am

re: #145 realwest

Thats a most convincing argument for Rudy, makes sense to me.

185 jamgarr  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:51am

re: #183 akak

The Terminatah..

/


///////////////////////!

186 BGOH  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:57am

My preference, in order:

1. Romney
2. Palin
3. Steele

Romney would, without a doubt, energize the conservative base of the party, which I believe would give him a major bump in the daily tracking polls immediately. Palin would be a war hammer on energy policy, and she would draw the "cougar" vote (RRAARRAAAAAAOOOO!). And Michael Steele, well, he's just totally awesome, and I can see him totally dominating any debate with whatever liberal attack dog Obama chooses to follow him around and pick up his scraps.

No matter what, I think any of these VP choices will help McCain no matter what. I don't believe that he could go wrong with any one of them.

187 kansas  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:57am

Sorry, but nobody can help him.

188 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:12:59am

re: #120 MandyManners

Only if I get to *whack* those who need it. I believe I'll need a whole passle of clue-by-fours.

'zactly why you'd be perfect!

189 3 wood  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:13:05am

re: #155 JammieWearingFool

I also have a lifetime membership in the NRA, eat a lot of red meat and would drill in my mother's backyard if there were proven oil reserves there.

I am very willing to sell drilling rights in my back yard regardless of proven oil deposits. Cash on the barrelhead, no problem.

190 nigella  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:13:23am

Michael Steele is great, but he's not going to be getting any of the "black" vote. When he ran for office he was portrayed as an Uncle Tom sell-out.

191 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:13:25am

A black VP will bring in zero votes (they will vote for Obama)

A female VP (like Sarah Palin) will bring in some Hillary voters and some female independents.

Name another candidate that can ADD voters to the ticket. (you are not thinking Romney here are you?)

192 Mongerel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:13:40am

Dennis Prager said he would take the job. Too bad he decided not to run for office. If he had some executive experience, he would have made a very fine VP.

193 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:13:55am

Thanks for the info. I just hope that whoever is picked it isn't done because of gender or ethnicity (despite my response to the Michelle Malkin idea). Part of my problem with McCain as it is is his pandering to the left on certain issues - immigration, campaign financing...

194 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:00am

I don't like him but I believe Charlie Crist, the Governor of Florida to be in the short list as well... Doesn't excite me...

None of them do...

I'd love Rudy but the bagge alsone will keep him out... Mitt... Well, in an eoffort to get the Conservatives going it might not be a terrible idea... Huckabee? Maybe...

195 3 wood  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:01am

re: #171 JammieWearingFool

Yup, just waiting on Mrs. JWF to complete her chores and we're off to the beach.

Flowers get delivered on time and okay?

196 guitardalek  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:08am

re: #89 Ben Hur

VOMIT vomit vomit vomit

the next time I swallow something poisonous that mental image will be all I need to regurgitate...

197 akak  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:09am

Yulia Timoshenko (she should be in the next good sci fi flick!)....oops she's taken

198 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:24am

re: #166 steveoh

I'm pulling for Rudy. I contributed to his campaign.
But how about Colin Powell?

Ugh! There is nothing conservative about Powell.

199 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:34am

re: #189 3 wood

I am very willing to sell drilling rights in my back yard regardless of proven oil deposits. Cash on the barrelhead, no problem.

Do you own the mineral rights?

/Just asking, because I know I don't own them on my property

200 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:14:47am

re: #104 zombie

About at OT as it is possible to get:

New at zomblog:

Injured seal on nude beach

Politics? Who needs 'em? Just look at that pair of sad eyes!

So, Zombie is a person, who is vegetarian, no cell phone, in the East Bay, and somehow shows up at nude beaches with cameras...

201 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:01am

I guess Michael Savage is out now?

202 Teacake!  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:15am
#190 nigella - Michael Steele is great, but he's not going to be getting any of the "black" vote. When he ran for office he was portrayed as an Uncle Tom sell-out.

But that could inspire a lot of Dems to vote who are not at all happy about BO.

203 nigella  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:31am

Powell "hinted " he was going to vote for Obama. Probably not interested in anything Republican.

204 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:35am

re: #191 faraway

Name another candidate that can ADD voters to the ticket.

Rudy! He will appeal to independent, security minded, freedom loving Americans.

205 harrylook  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:37am
I have to admit it’s difficult for me to get excited about any of the names currently being tossed into the ring.

The VP choice isn't supposed to be exciting. The VP candidate never wins you the election. Instead, you pick someone who will do no harm.

Still, I think it would be cool to go with someone without a national reputation. The ja-whore-nalists would be forced to take notice of the McCain campaign, and it would rekindle the candidate's "maverick" image. So, with that, I'm recommending

Karyn Polito

She's awesome.

206 kansas  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:37am

re: #200 coquimbojoe

Could you get the seal out of the picture...it's distracting.

207 3 wood  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:45am

re: #199 OldLineTexan

Do you own the mineral rights?

You bet.

208 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:15:49am

Zell Miller.

209 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:06am

re: #157 mglazer

How big is the mormon vote the evangelical/protestant/catholic is biger right?

You know I tried to google that before I posted but didn't make a quick hit. I'll dig some more out of curiosity. I'm sure the evangelicals way out number them. I work with quite a few Mormons, good people and extremely loyal to one another. Hence my suggestion about the vote.

210 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:07am

re: #201 faraway

I guess Michael Savage is out now?

Frothing at the mouth, no matter how well-done, is not a good trait for a Veep.

211 joecitizen  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:08am

Victor.Davis.Hanson. A Marcus Aurelius for our time.

212 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:15am

re: #187 kansas

Sorry, but nobody can help him.


Who? The injured seal in zombie's blog? Or McCain?

213 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:16am

Oh...someone else.

Crist of Florida. (I don't think he wants the job either, unfortunately). My died-in-the-wool Democrat friend in Miami says he's doing a good job.

/and from HER that's really something!

214 kansas  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:25am

re: #208 maddogg

Zell Miller.


Old and older. Which one would nod off first?

215 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #131 Kenneth

No! Accidental upding. Charles, why don't we have the ability to edit our dings?

216 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:46am

re: #104 zombie

About at OT as it is possible to get:

New at zomblog:

Injured seal on nude beach

Politics? Who needs 'em? Just look at that pair of sad eyes!

Obviously, none were Scientologists.

217 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:50am

re: #77 Shr_Nfr"He is a simple political opportunist. No more, no less."
So you're saying he (Romney) is sorta like Obama?
Only a Mormon?

218 kansas  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:16:57am

re: #212 NoSubmission

Who? The injured seal in zombie's blog? Or McCain?


McCain. The seal is distracting from the beach view.

219 WalterMitty  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:12am

re: #68 Iron Fist

JC Watts. I always expected him to be the first black President, really. He doesn't appear to want it, but I think he'd answer if his country called.

+1. You all heard it on LGF first.

220 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:23am

How about Al Gore?

221 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:33am

re: #211 joecitizen

Victor.Davis.Hanson. A Marcus Aurelius for our time.

I don't think he's insane enough to take the job. But wouldn't it be great?

222 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:43am

We could thaw out Ted Williams.

223 Jay777  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:47am

Most people I talk to would like to see him pick Sarah Palin, but not many get their hopes up. There is always the possibility it could be Lieberman. Of course that would be a losing choice, but McCain doesn't listen to the base very well anyway.

224 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:49am

re: #58 JammieWearingFool

Carly Fiorina?

I guess we should overlook the fact that she made some very bad strategic decisions when running Hewlett-Packard?

225 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:17:51am

re: #157 mglazer

How big is the mormon vote the evangelical/protestant/catholic is biger right?

No clue, but there are a fair number of Dems in Michigan who would vote for a McCain/Romney ticket instead of simply sitting the election out. They'd jump at the chance to have a native son as VP, and the chance he could be President.

Currently, it is 43-41 Obama-McCain in the state, a state which brings 17 electoral votes with it. Romney as VP would tip the balance in McCain's favor. All other things being equal to the 2004 election, with the exception of Ohio voting for Obama, Michigan would be enough to make the total 283-254 in favor of McCain. Even losing the 7 votes in Iowa and 5 in New Mexico, That's still 271-266 a la the 2000 election, and still in favor of McCain with Romney on the ticket. If McCain picks up Ohio's 20 votes as well as NM and Iowa, it's a landside 303-234.

226 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:18:01am

Romney or Sarah Palin.

227 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:18:12am

I'm hoping they can find a dark horse, someone with executive experience, ex-mayor or governor, who doesn't look or sound like a pasty white country club boffin.

But, of the names I know, Gov Crist of Florida is the top of the list, at least he's not pasty white! Palin - Alaska is just too far away. Mitt - the electorate yawns at his very name. Duncan Hunter - not executive, can't seem to light a fire when on stage. Bolton - haircut. Condi - absolute bottom of my list. Larry Elder - I wish, but no. Huckleberry - nyetski. Fiorina - double nyetski. Pawlenty, Ridge - eh.

228 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:18:17am

re: #153 The Shadow Do

A couple of FOX talking heads were putting their bets on Tom Ridge thinking he could sway Pennsylvania. I guess only Penn Staters could address that one.


I think McCain can win Pennsylvania without Ridge. I still think McCain needs a southern strategy; someone that appeals to the more southernly located folks. For that reason alone, I'd say Fred Thompson.

229 nigella  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:18:32am

J.C Watts has also "hinted" he may vote for Obama. He is also starting a black television cable channel.

230 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:18:47am

Doesn't matter, I'm voting Libertarian.

231 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:19:13am

re: #142 wrenchwench,

He was a Republican. Therefore, he doesn't count.

232 Cato  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:19:15am

I noted this before but...

A quick Google search shows "Obama Messiah" beating out "Obama Antichrist" 1,660,000 to 708,000. A little over a month ago it was more even. I am hoping that there is an ironic use of the term "Messiah".

233 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:19:29am

re: #224 Son of the Black Dog

I guess we should overlook the fact that she made some very bad strategic decisions when running Hewlett-Packard?

Which ones?

Not that I was a fan, but HP seems to have profited from the much-maligned Compaq "merger".

234 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:19:37am

What about Marsha Blackburn? A staunch conservative and a woman.

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:19:39am
236 sinsremoved  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:20:08am

Ron Paul ! ! ! !

HA HA HA HA

237 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:20:22am

Dick Chaney

238 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:20:35am
239 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:20:42am

I'd prefer (in this order):

1. Romney - for the 3 Ms - Money, Mormons, & Michigan
2. Palin - attractive, conservative VP
3. Jindal - brainy & conservative

Who would definitely keep me from voting McCain:

1. Huckabee
2. Ridge
3. Crist

240 KenJen  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:21:00am

Newt?

241 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:21:20am

Alice Cooper

242 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:21:49am
243 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:22:06am

re: #152 WriterMom

JOHN BOLTON

For Sec. of State. He would be perfect.

244 Andopolis  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:23:42am

Monica Crowley.

Okay, we're done here.

245 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:23:47am

re: #235 buzzsawmonkey

Fixed.

Buzz off! Not fixed. I'm voting Libertarian and I don't appreciate your comment. I live in California -- like McCaint has a chance of winning here? I've had it with the GOP. I switched from Dem to Rep in 1996 due to Newt and the Contract with America but then, to paraphrase Reagan, the party left me. The Republican Party is a joke today.

246 stevieray  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:24:04am

Thomas Sowell.

Since the passing of Milton Friedman, he has moved up into the position of Best Economist in America.

He would help with an acknowledged weakness in McCain... economics.

247 kawfytawk  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:24:07am

I wish John Howard wasn't an Aussie...sigh

248 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:24:58am
249 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:25:15am

re: #186 BGOH WHAT? Romney help with the conservative base? How the hell do you figure that? His Mormonism is one of the major reasons that the Evangelicals or Religious Right voted for Huckleberry during the primaries.
Plus, see my #145 for Rudy!

250 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:25:56am

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

You're still voting for Obama.

Explain. Last time I checked, Bob Barr is on the Libertarian ticket.

251 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:26:20am

"There are no national data on how Mormons feel about Romney, religion polling experts say, though the November 2006 Utah Colleges Exit Poll showed 68 percent of Utah Mormons chose him in a hypothetical primary. About 35 percent of U.S. Mormons live in Utah. "

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

According to this about 2% of Americans are Mormon which would be about 6 million total. 70% of 6 mil is figgin huge - 4.2 mil!

[Link: www.adherents.com...]

252 runrabbitrun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:26:46am

re: #221 OldLineTexan

I don't think he's insane enough to take the job. But wouldn't it be great?

I fear VDH is actually too fair, logical and balanced to work effectively politically. You have to have at least an edge of nastiness - a ruthlessness and willingness to be occasionally unprincipled, in order to even survive in D.C. (McCain expresses his in his 'maverick' status). I've only seen VDH as a gentleman and a scholar.

Too bad, though....

253 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:27:09am

re: #247 kawfytawk

I wish John Howard wasn't an Aussie...sigh

I'm damn glad he's an aussie, he is a big time gun grabber and he can kiss my ass.

254 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #191 faraway Nope, thinking Rudy, since Obama has already made Rudy pretty much bullet-proof in terms of personal life and Rudy has executive experience working with a liberal ALL Dem "congress" (NYC Council) - see my #145 for other reasons.

255 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:28:00am

re: #249 realwest

WHAT? Romney help with the conservative base? How the hell do you figure that? His Mormonism is one of the major reasons that the Evangelicals or Religious Right voted for Huckleberry during the primaries.
Plus, see my #145 for Rudy!

I did not.

256 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:28:03am

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Salamander?

Anole?

Geico gecko?

257 Andopolis  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:28:13am
258 runrabbitrun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:28:21am

oooohhh, I know who I want: Mark Levin!

259 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:29:09am

I'd love to have GWB have a press conference where he announced he was "throwing his hat into the ring" for the VP slot. He could explain that since the results of the 2000 election were so disputed he had a guilty conscience and didn't really feel he won that election so there was nothing constitutionally preventing him from being Veep. The moonbats would swallow their tongues and choke to death on the spot.

260 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:29:32am

re: #258 runrabbitrun

oooohhh, I know who I want: Mark Levin!

Grating voice, and an irritating habit of covering over his insights with "cute" names.

261 neocon hippie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:29:36am

How about putting up a poll, Charles? I bet Ron Paul would win :-)

I bet it will end up being Romney, who is a decent choice for the reasons others have mentioned.

I'd be happy with Lieberman, an unorthodox yet centrist choice who could help bring in some Jews, Hillary democrats, and swing voters.

I like Steele but that could be spun by the MSM as playing the race card.

Palin could bring in some of the Hillary women, but she's pretty unknown.

Save Rudy for the cabinet.

And continue to hope that Obummer self-destructs.

262 steveoh  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:30:17am

re: #198 Sharmuta

This from the link at Fox news above

With Powell on the GOP ticket McCain’s standing with independent voters will go from a slight lead to a widening, awe-inspiring gap. With that one step he can erase the three to six point lead that Obama holds in most polls.

Powell is a more experienced version of Obama. He is also a proven American military hero. And to paraphrase Obama from his recent prediction that his opponents will make an issue of his race, did I mention that Powell is black.

Powell will magnify the risk factor associated with Obama and give the independent voters comfort in knowing they can make history without the anxiety of handing the keys to the White House over to a young unknown.

It could very well bring a McCain victory.

263 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:30:30am

re: #219 WalterMitty

+1. You all heard it on LGF first.

Who the bleep is JC Watts? A congresscritter? McCain NEEDS someone with Executive experience - govenor or big city mayor (RUDY!).

264 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:30:31am

re: #176 faraway

Sarah Palin's oldest son joined the Army. (I wonder if Obama has talked to his kids about joining America's military?)

Probably told them to wait for his civilian force.

265 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:30:32am

#249 realwest

Lots of conservatives voted for Romney in Florida during the primaries.

The Evangelicals are a part of the social conservatives; they are not ALL of the so-cons. There are lots of conservative Catholics who voted for Romney . . . . social & fiscal. As a matter of fact, SW Florida is extraordinarily conservative and Romney won this area handily.

During the primaries, I remember seeing in a number of states that Romney split the evangelical vote with Huckabee.

/FWIW . . . my 2 cents

266 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:30:58am

re: #262 steveoh

This from the link at Fox news above


It could very well bring a McCain victory.

Powell would fit better politically on the Obama ticket.

267 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:31:32am
268 smokin' hamster  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:33:16am

re: #102 stevieray

Cheney! Just for the wail of anguish we'd hear.

Four more years!

Here, here!

269 ShalomMets  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:33:33am

How about Eric Cantor, Congressman from Virginia.
I've seen him mentioned as a long shot in a few places. He's young (45), well-spoken, strongly conservative, in a must-win state.

270 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:33:34am

I don't think you'd get any more votes out of Pennsylvania if Ridge were the VP. If you want to shake things up however...RICK SANTORUM!

271 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:16am

re: #245 SFGoth The Republican Party may be a joke, but anything that helps Obama win, is deadly. And you know it. Obama wins and there goes America -seriously.

272 larrysheldon  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:26am

Saw Carly's name mentioned a while ago.

Look up "unqualified disaster" [several senses}, find Carly's picture.

I suppose it is important that the VP be female (although I don't think so), please, not Carly.

273 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:30am

But I thought Bush was going to cancel the elections and install himself as Christo-fascist dictator for life and round up all the homos & liberals & Muslims & Mexicans and put them all in concentration camps and start a whole bunch of new wars?

At least that's what the moonbats at Daily Kos said...

274 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:47am

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly. A certain egomaniac from Texas put Slick Willie in office.

275 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:49am

re: #261 neocon hippie


I like Steele but that could be spun by the MSM as playing the race card.

ANY non-Caucasian or female candidate put up by the Republicans will be hit with the "me, too" accusation.

A Caucasian male will get you the remarks about the "old white guy ticket".

Since the Republicans are DIYDADIYD at this point, I pray they pick a GOOD candidate. It's stupidly simple, I understand, but the Veep must be capable of being the President.

276 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:55am

#270 littleoldlady

Agreed! Rick Santorum is terrific! Ridge puts me to sleep.

277 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:59am

I have not seen anyone mention Gov Haley Barbour (Mississippi). Unlike the previous Louisiana governor, Barbour did a very good job with Hurricane Katrina.

278 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:34:59am

Okay--Hukabee.

I don't like his politics, but he would go a long way to bolstering the base.

Jindal--has removed himself and would not be much of a help anyway.

Romney-might deliver Michigan, but he did not ignite the base and put off many evangelicals.

Rudy--only if he could deliver NY or Penn. Otherwise, too much baggage.

Pawlenty-possible, but he is unknown outside the mid-West.

Crist- you do NOT want two gray-haired white guys on the GOP ticket. Talk about playing into a sterotype.

Thompson- wants to get back to Law & Order.

Longshots - Newt would not do it, but he would bolster the base.

Mike Steele - good choice but it would be seen as an obvious ploy to have an African-American on the GOP ticket. The same for JC Watts.

Well, back to work...

279 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:35:13am

1. Mitt Romney
2. Tim Pawlenty
3. Condi Rice
4. Marsha Blackburn

280 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:35:27am

HEY CHARLES: Lawhawk had an idea upthread, how's about a thread with a poll for McCains VP?!

281 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:35:37am

re: #267 buzzsawmonkey


What are you trying to do with your Libertarian vote? "Send a message," like the lamest of lefties? Barr is going to win California, when McCain is not?

You can either do your little bit to help the better--or less bad, your choice--candidate win, or just put on your propeller beanie with "Loser" printed on the front and wear it proudly. Even if Obama takes California--and there are a lot of conservative voters there too, as well as the whackos--a vote against him that is for the real candidate and not one of the cavalcade of whackos will help the numbers reported.


------------
You're correct, I'm sending a message, but not the message I'd send if I voted for McCain (i.e., "I'm a GOP shill"). I'm not going to vote for the Republican candidate until it nominates a real one. It's that simple. I'm not voting for the Elephant King (Babar rules) b/c he might win. He won't. But it can't help elect Obama b/c he will win CA. Now, how does my voting for McCain help? The great thing about America is that while voting is a civic duty, it's still voluntary and I get to vote for whomever I damn well please (even if they aren't eligible to serve; they just can't win).

282 Cato  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:36:00am

re: #261 neocon hippie

Obama shows signs of self-destruction. At this point in the campaign he should be way ahead, yet he is even with a man who is not running a very good campaign.

McCain should emphasize that he was a fighter pilot for gosh sakes. Except for astronaut, there is no cooler job in the world. I requires courage, skill, audacity and rigorous training -- unlike Harvard law school which requires only to get in.

283 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:36:05am

re: #262 steveoh

One problem--Mrs. Powell does not want her husband in the mix. Word is she hates politics.

284 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:37:28am

re: #230 SFGoth

McCain!

285 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:37:34am

re: #127 dhg4

I know a female lawyer who argued a case to the U.S. Supreme Court a day after giving birth, so I'd back off on the assertion that giving birth is disqualifying.

Energy is the top issue this year, and it's closely linked to economics. Sarah Palin understands the oil and gas industry, and supports more production. The VP should be able to help McCain focus on that issue.

We have a strong bench. Lots of the people mentioned here are solid. Most of them won't revive a flat-lining McCain campaign. I respect John McCain's distinguished service to this country. At the moment, I'm still looking at the "McCain as Bob Dole" campaign.

286 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:01am

Just to throw my two cents in...I see two VP candidates that help McCain immensely and one who hurts him. The rest do nothing for him. Sarah Palin seems like the perfect choice. Alaska governor, strong reputation against corruption and sadly enough the fact that she is a woman is huge. It will give the silly media something else to talk about besides BO. The second choice is Richard Steele. He is a conservative's conservative and being an African American, he would give many African Americans a better choice. I feel that these choices also show the Republican/Conservative party to be more diverse than what it was thought to be.

I think McCain should stay way from Rudy. Essentially he and Rudy are the same candidate. Rudy does not help him in any particular region or with any particular demographic. Obama could choose a child molester as VP and beat a McCain/Giuliani ticket. Anyway that's my two cents.

287 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:12am

re: #271 realwest

The Republican Party may be a joke, but anything that helps Obama win, is deadly. And you know it. Obama wins and there goes America -seriously.

Someone tell me how voting Libertarian in CA is going to help Obama win CA anymore than voting for McCain? The criticisms I'm receiving, with absolutely no intellectual content, themselves refute ID. The state is not in play. I could vote for Reagan's corpse and it wouldn't matter. ("Mr. Gorbachev, dig up this grave!")

288 _remembertonyc  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:16am

I like Mitt Romney, and would be fine with him as VP. But I also am impresed with Kay Bailey Hutchison. She is a fluent Spanish speaker, is conservative, and just might attract the disaffected female voters who might have liked hillary.

More on Hutchison:

[Link: www.votesmart.org...]

289 joncelli  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:24am

Pawlenty of Minnesota. Executive experience, young, Midwestern, apparently a genuinely nice guy.

290 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:39am

The Amount of McCain yard signs sprining up in Michigan at this early stage is unprecdented

He will win Michigan, Ohio and Florida - he will be the next Pres.

Obama hussein wont - deal with it MSM

291 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:40am

Arnold Schwarzenegger?

"My mission is to prodect you"

292 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:47am

re: #270 littleoldlady

I don't think you'd get any more votes out of Pennsylvania if Ridge were the VP. If you want to shake things up however...RICK SANTORUM!


I like Rick, strong intelligence. His understanding of islam is up with the best. But he's made some comments that would inspire a highly vocal special interest group to 'man' their picket signs in protest.

293 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:38:53am

re: #281 SFGoth

Well, thats very commendable. When folks like you put Obama in office, you can sit back and proudly proclain "I am not a Republican shill". Great. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem.

294 RickZ  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:39:08am

My choice for VP is somebody who can bring historical knowledge to the job (not that that seems to be a requirement though), and who is not a politician: Victor David Hanson.

295 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:39:11am

re: #223 Jay777

There is no way that I would trust Lieberman, who was Albore's Court Jew and lap dog. He, like Booberg, will turn on a dime re party affiliations...both flip floppers.

Nor would Booberg be very good on the enormous illegal alien problem. He has made a number of foreign languages legal.

/Just what NYC and eventually our country needs.

[...]In addition to English, city agencies will be required to communicate with New Yorkers in the six foreign languages most commonly spoken in the city: Spanish, Chinese, Russian, Korean, Italian, and French Creole, under a new program that broadly expands the city's translation and interpretation services.

An executive order signed by Mayor Bloomberg yesterday establishes for the first time a uniform language policy for all city agencies that directly interact with New Yorkers, requiring that they provide interpretation services, oral and written translation services, and the translation of essential public documents in the designated languages.

The translation services could help a homeowner having trouble interpreting a city code, for example, or a couple in need of assistance when applying for a marriage license.

"This effort is a critical part of improving customer service, which is a fundamental concept in the business world, and should be just as valued in the government," Mr. Bloomberg said yesterday at City Hall. "From now on, New Yorkers with limited proficiency in English will be able to approach the city with confidence knowing that we have the systems in place to respond to their needs."[...]

296 eachus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:39:35am

I think that Gov. Pawlenty is the best choice of those mentioned. John Bolton would certainly appeal to conservatives, but I think he makes a much better nominee for Secretary of State.

The thing to remember is that there will be several months between the candidates choosing Vice Presidential nominees and the election. Anyone that McCain chooses is going to eventually be evaluated, not as an asset or liability on the ticket, but as a prospective President. (This will be much less true with Obama's VP choice.)

On the other hand, the liberal media will be trying to fling as much muck as possible at McCain's running mate. I don't think there is any real dirt to dig up on Pawlenty. More important, he is someone like Reagan who can laugh off mud slinging and make it stick to the thrower--not to him. (Sarah Palin is also good at dodging or ignoring mud slung at her, but doesn't do well at bouncing it back to the thrower. (May come from her basketball background, where you are supposed to catch rebounds. ;-)

297 Mongerel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:39:45am

re: #270 littleoldlady

I don't think you'd get any more votes out of Pennsylvania if Ridge were the VP. If you want to shake things up however...RICK SANTORUM!

Not while Creationism is so controversial.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

298 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:40:02am

re: #291 hans ze beeman

One glitch--he's not a native-born American. I know he can't be POTUS, but I'm pretty sure he cannot be VP either.

299 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:40:05am

re: #288 _remembertonyc

I like Mitt Romney, and would be fine with him as VP. But I also am impresed with Kay Bailey Hutchison. She is a fluent Spanish speaker, is conservative, and just might attract the disaffected female voters who might have liked hillary.

More on Hutchison:

[Link: www.votesmart.org...]

You can have Kay. She has not worked out so well as a Senator from Texas as of late.

John Cornyn would make a good veep policy-wise, but he has no stage appeal (alas for my country) and no national recognition.

300 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:40:11am

re: #283 calcajun

One problem--Mrs. Powell does not want her husband in the mix. Word is she hates politics.

Yeah how great is he, crashed three times.

/koskid off

301 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:40:23am

re: #291 hans ze beeman

Arnold Schwarzenegger?

"My mission is to prodect you"

Ineligible.

302 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:40:24am

What about the Hoopster?
I bring all the fly over states into play and I bring a vast amount of sports fans over to the GOP.
I'll be whatever color you want...well except blue, i'm a racist against blue people..

/Realwest..would you mind not posting for a couple years?
I'm never going to catch up to you in stats.
//

303 Cato  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:41:00am

re: #286 adragonknowsbest

Essentially he and Rudy are the same candidate.


I mourn the loss of Rudy as the Republican standard bearer. He would flatten BHO.

304 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:41:33am

re: #263 realwest,

Rudy's baggage kills him with the core base. Kills him dead. The base is where McCain needs the support. You win the Presidential election by holding your base, and appealing to the middle. McCain appeals to the middle, but he is losing the base.

Rudy hurts him with the base. So does Lieberman, who is, after all, a Liberal Democrat.

McCain can lose the Presidency by pissing in the face of the base on this. They won't vote against him. They'll just stay home.

You have to hold your base.

305 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:42:06am

re: #288 _remembertonyc

McCain will not take anyone from Texas. Unfortunately for us Texans, Kay Baily Hutchison has been a coward on the illegal immigration issue. She wants to run for governor because there is a good chance she will not get reelected to the Senate. Hutchison is not a good choice.

306 steveoh  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:42:26am

re: #266 OldLineTexan

Enlighten me.

Knowing full well Obama is a borderline marxist and his connections to Jeremiah Wright and all of the Rezco nonsense, how is Powell a better fit on his ticket.

Is Powell not a Republican? What exactly is it about his positions that offends you?

307 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:42:58am

re: #239 Florida Lady

I'd prefer (in this order):

1. Romney - for the 3 Ms - Money, Mormons, & Michigan
2. Palin - attractive, conservative VP
3. Jindal - brainy & conservative

Who would definitely keep me from voting McCain:

1. Huckabee
2. Ridge
3. Crist

Given the Obamanation we have as the other choice, none of those or worse could keep me from voting for McCain. Remember what we could lose if we have 4-8 years of Obama's nominations to the Supreme Court.

308 SagamoreGal  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:43:26am

Dennis Miller!

Seriously, I think it has to be Romney, Madame Gov of Alaska, or Pawley.

309 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:43:39am

re: #297 Mongerel

Whooopsie!

nevermind... ;-)

310 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:43:42am

re: #304 Iron Fist

Thank you. McCain IS the centrist (whatever the hell that is). Now, do the Repubs need another centrist, or do they throw a sop to the conservatives that might be left in the party?

If we need another so-called centrist, McCain should get Hillary.

If the point is winning, there's a slam-dunk right there.

311 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:44:13am

re: #210 OldLineTexan

re: #201 faraway
I guess Michael Savage is out now?

Frothing at the mouth, no matter how well-done, is not a good trait for a Veep.

With a massive ego and a equally massive persecution complex fighting it out for dominance is not a good trait, either.

I'd love to see him kick CAIR's ass, but that's beside the point.

312 _remembertonyc  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:44:25am

#299 OldLineTexan ...

Being a New Englander, my knowledge of Kay is not as extensive as yours. What is your issue with her?

313 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:44:34am

re: #300 turn

Yeah how great is he, crashed three times.

/koskid off

You picked the wrong post idjut!

314 eachus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:44:44am

Obama could choose a child molester as VP and beat a McCain/Giuliani ticket.

Bill Clinton is not Constitutionally eligible to run for Vice President. ;-)

315 CIA Reject  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:45:33am

re: #276 Florida Lady

#270 littleoldlady

Agreed! Rick Santorum is terrific! Ridge puts me to sleep.

Hey, If you want a Pennsylvanian what about Mark Schweiker?

316 Spiny Norman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:45:40am

re: #277 djs713

I have not seen anyone mention Gov Haley Barbour (Mississippi). Unlike the previous Louisiana governor, Barbour did a very good job with Hurricane Katrina.

Yep, he'd be a good one.

317 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:45:44am

re: #306 steveoh

Enlighten me.

Knowing full well Obama is a borderline marxist and his connections to Jeremiah Wright and all of the Rezco nonsense, how is Powell a better fit on his ticket.

Is Powell not a Republican? What exactly is it about his positions that offends you?

I have his book, and that is what I base my statements on; I would suggest it as light reading material.

A very admirable, accomplished, respectable man who is also very liberal.

He would be, IMO, the perfect "weight" for Barry's ticket.

318 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:45:50am

I'm laughing at the posters here who criticize me because as a Californian, I'm voting Libertarian instead of McCain, which will help Obama (though how is never explained). How many of those criticizing me voted for McCain in the primaries? Didn't think so. You voted for whom you wanted knowing that McCain was the only one politically milquetoast enough to beat Obama.

319 SagamoreGal  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:46:01am

Heard major rumours weeks ago about Charlie Crist from a family member with contacts in top Republican circles in Tallahassee and Miami.

It's probably already been veted by the McCain staff. He's a no go, even if Florida had 800 electoral votes.

320 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:46:05am

re: #286 adragonknowsbest Please see my #145.

321 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:46:20am

No matter who McCain picks there will be a considerable pack of naysayers pooh-poohing the choice. This is not an election based on principles and substance, but one based on appearance and style.

322 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:46:41am

re: #303 Cato


Back before the primaries kicked off I would have bet a good chunk of money that Rudy would ahve been the Republican nominee. I saw thru Romney, McCain seemed to old and irrelevant and nobody outside of Arkansas even heard of Mike Huckabee. Talk about a colossal failure...

323 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:47:10am

re: #311 Spiny Norman

With a massive ego and a equally massive persecution complex fighting it out for dominance is not a good trait, either.

I'd love to see him kick CAIR's ass, but that's beside the point.

That's where Michael and his ego are most needed, IMO. Grabbing CAIR by the balls and SQUEEZING

324 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:47:11am
325 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:47:28am

re: #314 eachus


You made me laugh. Thanks.

326 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:47:29am

re: #307 Kosh's Shadow

Jindal is for ID...bye, bye Jindal.

BBS..hypoglycemic.

327 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:05am

re: #312 _remembertonyc

#299 OldLineTexan ...

Being a New Englander, my knowledge of Kay is not as extensive as yours. What is your issue with her?

As mentioned above, she has run away from the Illegal alien issue. Not a way to make me love you as my state threatens to become the northernmost Mexican province.

328 guitardalek  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:24am

re: #278 calcajun

Okay--Hukabee.

I don't like his politics, but he would go a long way to bolstering the base.

If they nominate Huckabee for VP, here's one guy who will NOT be voting...

329 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:25am

If McCain was an executive and not a Senator I would also throw Sen. Jim DeMint's name into the mix...

330 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:30am

re: #287 SFGoth "The criticisms I'm receiving, with absolutely no intellectual content, themselves refute ID. The state is not in play."
Nice, intelligent post, that. I'm sure glad you KNOW that California is gonna go for Obama - got any tips on the stock market? No state is out of play for McCain BECAUSE OF OBAMA.

331 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:33am

I hope McCain surprises me and manages NOT to pull a Dan Quayle out of the bushes.

332 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:56am

I've always been partial to Ted Nugent.

333 mglazer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:49:18am

re: #318 SFGoth


Im Republican I voted for Obama so Hillary wouldnt win and McCain would win in hte largest landslide in uS history against osam Hussein.

I've never seen so many Dems say just wont vote for Osama - they're afraid of him.

The most amount of dems ever will vote repub just to avoid an Osama Hussein win.

This will be glorious for the repubs!

334 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:49:20am

re: #304 Iron Fist

Exactly. Many will just stay home on election day.
Hardly any will contribute money or volunteer hours, and McCain is
going to be hard-pressed to compete w/ Obama on both of those scores.

If McCain has a liberal on the ticket (Powell, Lieberman, etc.), this election is OVER.

335 landline  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:49:49am

Rudy.

He is not PC and will therefore be a most effective attack dog against Obama. Also, Reagan Democrats will find him most appealing.

336 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:49:49am

re: #327 OldLineTexan

As mentioned above, she has run away from the Illegal alien issue. Not a way to make me love you as my state threatens to become the northernmost Mexican province.

Need to add that since I am not wild about McCain's stance on this issue, I certainly don't want to see it reinforced.

I would also add that Texas will not go to Obama, and the Repub strategistswill be looking elsewhere for the "native son/daughter" vote-getter.

337 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:50:24am

Rick Santorum is a bad idea. He has little popularity these days. He got crushed by Bob Casey by the largest margin an incumbent has lost since 1980.

338 OldLineTexan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:51:00am

Is Baghdad Bob available?

339 Dave the.....  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:51:31am

As a current resident of Minnesota, I have to say I like T-Paw. Hey plays hockey, doesn't get angry. Even though he has won two elections here, I really don't think it will make a difference....Minnesota will go for the Messiah. Maybe make a difference in Iowa?

It's interesting how both candidates, who are on the left of their party, are looking at conservative (relatively) running mates.

340 Alibaba  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:51:44am

Rudy is a pro abort. Unfortunately, evangelicals will not accept a Mormon. Steele is great but it will be viewed as "pandering". Pawlenty is a possibility.re: #324 ploome hineni

341 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:51:56am

re: #302 HoosierHoops
Didn't know it was a race of any kind. Besides, with my health being what it is, typing is probably the only physical exercise I can get without being shot by my oncologist - seriously. E-mail me if you're curious about it.

342 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:52:22am
343 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:52:30am

re: #295 NY Nana

Hi Nana. I like Bloomberg. I think he has done a fine job for NYC especially his understanding of finance, etc.

I don't think I would support him for President or Vice President but wouldn't mind seeing him as Governor of NY.

His own funny line is: "Who will vote for a short, Jewish, billionaire from New York?" I think he's got a point there....

344 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:52:34am

a player from the WNBA
then you get a black, female, lesbian
how "phobic" would you be to not pick from that melting pot of special interest groups

345 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:52:45am

re: #310 OldLineTexan

Thank you. McCain IS the centrist (whatever the hell that is). Now, do the Repubs need another centrist, or do they throw a sop to the conservatives that might be left in the party?

If we need another so-called centrist, McCain should get Hillary.

If the point is winning, there's a slam-dunk right there.


Hillary?
Yep. That would make it a slam dunk all right.
For Obama.

346 Alibaba  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:52:54am

re: #337 Karmapolice
Thanks to his support for the awful Arlen Specter and the fact that PA has become bluer and bluer as a state. Many good Republicans lost in Pennsylvania that year, including Melissa Hart. Casey is total jerk.

347 Alibaba  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:53:41am

re: #343 experiencedtraveller
Bloomberg - the transfat dictator who thinks that other New Yorkers are beneath him. Can't stand the man! A big liberal who thinks he can tax and spend his way out of problems.

348 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:53:59am
349 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:00am

re: #316 Spiny Norman

He doesn't need anyone from the South--the GOP will carry it, even Florida.

McCain needs the mid -West. He needs to carry Ohio, PA, MI, or MN. A southern governor will not help him there.

350 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:21am

Ron Jeremy
I hear his pole numbers are outstanding

351 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:24am

re: #287 SFGoth

I could vote for Reagan's corpse and it wouldn't matter. ("Mr. Gorbachev, dig up this grave!")


I don't ding down very often but that deserved a ding and a big, "F*ck You" to boot.

352 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:27am

re: #348 ploome hineni

I do not like Bloomberg for the position

Bloomy would rather run with Obama (and it would not shock me if he did)...

353 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:30am

I'm beginning to think that McCain needs to run not just with an acceptable VP, but with a stunning cabinet, wel, the topmost important posts - like, State = Bolton; DoJ = Rudy; ... that sort of thing.
And, my feeling is he ought to reinforce the 'maverick' image, chosing his team for their backbone and priciples and not just for which votes they're likely to get.

354 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:36am

re: #330 realwest

"The criticisms I'm receiving, with absolutely no intellectual content, themselves refute ID. The state is not in play."
Nice, intelligent post, that. I'm sure glad you KNOW that California is gonna go for Obama - got any tips on the stock market? No state is out of play for McCain BECAUSE OF OBAMA.

Yeah, short the Dow. Also, I'm doing nicely with AAV - 12% div. Who else wants to admit they think California is in play? Anyone care to provide some data? Charles, you're down south. What say you? The last Republican to win California was Reagan in '84, 3 years before that disastrous immigration bill and a major political demographic shift. Californians from 18-38 are among the dumbest voters in the country, and they vote with their hearts and their feeeeeeeelings.

355 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:54:36am

re: #344 Adrenalyn

According to Debbie Schlussel, WNBA stands for Waste of National Broadcast Airtime or Weird Nuisance Brought on America.

356 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:55:07am

re: #350 Adrenalyn

Possibly true, but I hear he's going down among women voters in the 18-25 age bracket.

357 de La Valette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:55:07am

has Meg Whitman dropped completely off of the radar?

358 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:55:34am

re: #353 yma o hyd

Now that would be a ticket that is hard to not make most people salivate over.

359 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:55:53am

re: #355 djs713

Or We're Not Bad Athletes (really).

360 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:56:24am

re: #321 FurryOldGuyJeans

No matter who McCain picks there will be a considerable pack of naysayers pooh-poohing the choice. This is not an election based on principles and substance, but one based on appearance and style.

I agree for the most part.
That is why I vote for Sarah Palin.
She would instantly add pizzazz to the ticket.
She would rally the NRA, por-life, and so-con vote w/o unduly annoying the center.

361 Dave the.....  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:56:28am

What's a bit alarming is several conservative commentators have said things to the affect of "McCain can still win", or "Obama doesn't have it locked up yet". That tells me that Republican cheerleaders are saying that if the election were today, Obama would win. McCain has only an outside chance.

362 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:56:46am

Sarah Palin.

363 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:56:54am

re: #356 calcajun

Possibly true, but I hear he's going down among women voters in the 18-25 age bracket.

ok, then I nominate Jenna Jameson
she held her own on Ben Stein's short lived TV show
looks hot
swings both ways (in the movies at least)

364 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:56:59am

re: #362 Jed 1899

Michael Palin

365 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:57:51am

re: #364 calcajun

Michael Palin

He's ours :-)))

366 Alibaba  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:57:54am

re: #286 adragonknowsbest
I think you mean Michael Steele, not Richard.

367 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:57:58am

re: #363 Adrenalyn

And like Obama, she's good at shifting positions.

368 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:58:35am

why not pick Cheney again ?

369 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:58:45am

re: #304 Iron Fist Hey bro' - you know how much I dislike disagreeing with you, but this time you're wrong.
The base isn't going to let Obama win, not now not ever. They already HATE McCain but will vote for him to avoid Obama. At least Rudy's alleged position on gun-control is now moot, since the SCOTUS ruling in Heller. And Rudy is a genuine, hard-core crime and corruption fighter. And he has executive experience while having to get around a liberal - TOTALLY Democratic - "congress" - NYC Council.
The base will vote for McCain/Rudy because the alternative is so unpalatable. And the base will then get to know Rudy the way those of us who lived under him as Mayor do. Tough, no-nonsense, made NYC one of the safest cities (and the safest BIG city in the Country) LEADER who is strong on WoT.

370 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:58:52am

re: #365 yma o hyd

I know, but damn, he'd be funny.

371 harrylook  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:58:57am

Adrenalyn: ##350, 363

I like your taste in cinema.

372 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:59:04am

re: #353 yma o hyd

I'm beginning to think that McCain needs to run not just with an acceptable VP, but with a stunning cabinet, wel, the topmost important posts - like, State = Bolton; DoJ = Rudy; ... that sort of thing.
And, my feeling is he ought to reinforce the 'maverick' image, chosing his team for their backbone and priciples and not just for which votes they're likely to get.

His cabinet needs to be not just stunning, but cross-party. Face it, the hardcore conservatives don't like McCain and many Democrats are disillusioned with Obama. Bringing in some Dems for Cabinet positions (anything unrelated to the economy and defense) would be a clutch move for McCain. Picking a hardy conservative would be a good decision along with that to help capture the hardcore conservatives.

373 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:59:15am

As always, when it comes to proven executive talent, the GOP is deep. Always has been. On the other hand, the Dems are always long on political hacks, this year being no exception. Obama is an exquisite b**sh*t artist.

Romney or Rudy would work for me. Palin and Jindal are in the wings for '12.

374 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:59:20am

Here is a preview of Alice Cooper as VP candidate. I like it!

375 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:59:30am

re: #368 Adrenalyn

You mean the Darth Vader of politics? He's more machine than man, you know.

376 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:59:41am

re: #320 realwest

Rudy will not even get you NY. That is liberal territory. Not gonna happen. Mitt may get you Michigan but McCain can win that on his own probably as Michigan's own Democratic leaders have destroyed that state.

I don't by into the argument that running a female or a black guy is somehow off limits because it will be seen as disingenuous. That is BS. By not running them when you need to would be quite foolhardy. Do you see how may liberal twits want to vote for Obama just because he is back or for Hillary because she is a woman. Am I saying this is right? No. I am saying it is a fact. So not only do we put up our own African American or our own female but we put up a better option than what the Dems do. We take the whole stupid conservative stereotype of conservatives "being the fat white rich guy party" and we rip it up. So that way sex and race become a non-issue. Then we attack Obamanation mercilessly on his foolish stands and he has nowhere to run to. I wanna win dammit. No prisoners.

377 Karmapolice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:00:05am

re: #367 calcajun

He does it with a little help from his friends, the media.

378 dolfan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:00:10am

re: #213 littleoldlady

Your democract friend likes Crist because he ACTS like a Democrat. He is the definition of a RINO.

I want Mitt.

379 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:00:44am

re: #370 calcajun

Yes, but some of his choices are hard to swallow.

(Gad, I did NOT say that. Okay, the puns are starting again.)

380 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:00:45am

re: #368 Adrenalyn

why not pick Cheney again ?

That would be fantastic. Cue moonbat heads exploding.

381 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:00:58am

re: #371 harrylook

Adrenalyn: ##350, 363

I like your taste in cinema.

yes, why I am an "artist" at heart
never could draw or play an instrument
but I always admired people that excel at certain 'positions'

382 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:01:19am

Sarah Palin is an avid hunter/fisherwoman.
Beat that!

383 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:01:21am

I would say our governor, Sarah Palin, but she just pulled some bullshit with canning the Public Safety Commissioner. Go to adn.com and read all about it. I used to love her, I voted for her. But she has gotten herself into some shady shit.

384 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:01:38am

re: #344 Adrenalyn

I like the way you think!

385 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:01:45am

So, what is the deal on Crist?

I don't really know much about him.

386 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:02:02am

re: #370 calcajun

I know, but damn, he'd be funny.

Yeah - but if you really need one of ours, and one who can be hilariously funny, then you'd have to prise our Boris from the clutches of London ... he's an excellent politician as well.

Mind - last time I looked John Cleese was still living somewhere in the U.S. of A.

387 OneLoyalAmerican  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:02:37am

Thoma Sewell!

388 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:02:40am

re: #380 Fat Jolly Penguin

That would be fantastic. Cue moonbat heads exploding.

Which one has a better chance to die of natural causes first, McCain or Cheney?

389 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:03:44am

In my order of preference:

a. Sarah Palin
b. Michael Steele
c. Mitt Romney

I think that a woman or a black man would help the ticket this year. More importantly, all 3 of these people are plain-spoken advocates of Conservatism. McCain will not be happy with any of them (they'll undoubtedly take their shots at the One, and you know, that just isn't cricket in McCain's book), but he won't be able to shut them down once one of them is on his ticket.

I deplore the attitude of identity politics that we're in, but it is naive to avoid the fact that gender and race now count more than ever in a selection.

390 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #376 adragonknowsbest

Well said!
E-mail this to the McCain campaign, please!

391 harrylook  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:04:50am

I'd like to register my wariness of picking someone with lots of executive experience. As it stands, BHO can't use that against McCain. And if McCain picks a governor, eg, it only highlights what McCain is lacking.

392 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:05:03am

re: #388 djs713

Which one has a better chance to die of natural causes first, McCain or Cheney?

Just as long as Cheney doesn't take McCain out hunting. ;)

393 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:05:03am

re: #349 calcajun

He doesn't need anyone from the South--the GOP will carry it, even Florida.

McCain needs the mid -West. He needs to carry Ohio, PA, MI, or MN. A southern governor will not help him there.


Agreed. If he picks a Southerner at all, it should be someone from the upper South., the border states. But, unless McCain picks a liberal VP, I agree that the South will stay in the GOP camp. (A liberal VP could drastically reduce the white turnout, and Obama could squeak through on high turnout of blacks in the Deep South.)

Midwest is best !
Though Palin is still my favorite pick.

394 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:06:46am

I believe Giuliani would be a great President or VP. I believe if a President McCain gave him a mandate to fix the economy, he would do well because the guy is simply competent.

I doubt he will be picked.

The alternative choice would be someone picked specifically to show the country that the VP will focus on the economy so it should be someone specifically associated with economic issues.

The candidate also has to be someone that the vast majority of people don't have to initially ask, "who".

The choices are slim. Someone like Steve Forbes comes to mind.

395 littleben  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:07:37am

Sean Hannity.

396 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:07:52am

re: #391 harrylook

I don't follow you here. McCain *has* significant executive experience. The man was a 4 star admiral in charge of an entire fleet. I would stack up his command of thousands of seaman with that of any CEO you would care to name.

397 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:07:53am

James Golden

398 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:08:11am

re: #376 adragonknowsbest Respectfully - outside of NYC, NYS tends strongly to Red - and Rudy won mayor of NYC TWICE as a Republican.

399 tfc3rid  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:08:37am

re: #361 Dave the.....

What's a bit alarming is several conservative commentators have said things to the affect of "McCain can still win", or "Obama doesn't have it locked up yet". That tells me that Republican cheerleaders are saying that if the election were today, Obama would win. McCain has only an outside chance.

Based on polling (if you believe it) it is true... Obama would win if the elex were held today...

400 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:08:51am

re: #386 yma o hyd

John's looking old--real old. He may be the next Python to join Chapman.

I'd like to see Boris beat George Galloway like a rented mule and let the citizens of London buy some guns and start shooting the "hooligans" who are (seemingly) running amok.

401 Kenneth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:09:37am

A picture just begging for a new caption today.

402 Adrenalyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:10:36am

re: #382 Jed 1899

Sarah Palin is an avid hunter/fisherwoman.
Beat that!

but Cindy Garrison is way hotter

403 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:10:40am

re: #396 MJBrutus

I don't follow you here. McCain *has* significant executive experience. The man was a 4 star admiral in charge of an entire fleet. I would stack up his command of thousands of seaman with that of any CEO you would care to name.

McCain retired as a Navy Captain. His dad and granddad were admirals.

404 hellosnackbar  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:10:56am

After reading the opinions of the noble lizards of LGF it would seem sensible for McCain to choose a VP with a track record of common sense.
DVHorColin Powell would fill the bill admirably,and provide an excellent replacement should anything happen to a 72 yr old occupant of the world's
most important position.
John Bolton as secretary of state would complete my imaginary dream team and give great comfort to this interested brit.

405 TN_Vol  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:11:05am

I personally don't think people vote for a candidate because of their coice for Veep. However, in this case I think McCain may be a one termer and may need to set the table for 2012.

Steele might be a good choice although I think Rudy would be fun to watch on the trail and in the debates.

406 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:11:23am

re: #396 MJBrutus

You're thinking of his Dad. He retired from the USN as a captain.

407 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:11:52am

re: #386 yma o hyd

Yeah - but if you really need one of ours, and one who can be hilariously funny, then you'd have to prise our Boris from the clutches of London ... he's an excellent politician as well.

Mind - last time I looked John Cleese was still living somewhere in the U.S. of A.

And I believe he does have executive experience as the Minister of Silly Walks.

408 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:11:56am

I voted for Rudy in the primary. He would be a wonderful president let alone a great VP. But he doesn't have a prayer. So, if the Republicans want to win they must start by shaking up the old misconceptions. A woman VP would go a long way in doing this. So what if the Dems say it is just pandering? No matter the choice, there will be criticism.

Palin seems like someone worth looking at more closely.

Obviously bright, more experience with government than Obama and just as attractive (which sadly is factor to many voters).

409 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:12:20am

re: #400 calcajun

In Britain these days, it appears that Muslims are changing their behavior, from several wives to several knives

410 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:12:45am

re: #396 MJBrutus

I don't follow you here. McCain *has* significant executive experience. The man was a 4 star admiral in charge of an entire fleet. I would stack up his command of thousands of seaman with that of any CEO you would care to name.

No he was not. He was a Navy Captain who had command of a fighter squadron. It was a good record but he was not an Admiral. His Father and Grandfather were. Exaggerating only hurts him.

411 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:12:56am

re: #398 realwest

His poor showing in New Hampshire (similar demographics to upstate NY) lead me to believe that. As well I looked at your fine Senators.

412 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:12:58am

re: #400 calcajun

Yeah - I think cleese is as old as McCain (not gong to check it out, I'm not!).
Boris is Mayor of London, sicne May this year.
Galloway is an MP - nothing to do with that mayoral election. But he'll be out come the next General elections, Tories will win that hands down - they are now nearly 20 points ahead of Labour in the polls.

413 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:13:10am

re: #396 MJBrutus Uh, NO, McCain was NOT a four star admiral and did not command anything more than a squadron of jet fighter/bombers - you've got him confused with either his father or his grand-father, but John Mcain was never an admiral; indeed, I think he was an LT (Captain in Army speak) in the Navy.

414 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:13:48am

re: #389 MJBrutus

The media will absolutely plaster the GOP ticket if they nominate a black VP. Whoever it is will be disgraced and broiled in oil, just like Clarence Thomas. It will strike the voters as pandering to identity politics.
A woman, on the other hand,...........heh. That the GOP can not only get away with, but profit from.

415 MellyMel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:13:54am

On Michael Steele:

In a Human Events article of May 8, 2008, John Gizzi describes Michael Steele as a "quite often mentioned" candidate to serve as John McCain's vice presidential running mate. Steele is quoted as saying such an offer "is beyond my wildest imagining" and that one would "be hard-pressed to say no."


Michael Steele

416 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:14:29am

Well, whoever McCain picks, I WILL be voting, because my vote might just prevent a civil war that I or more likely my son will have to fight. I use email to send messages.

417 right_wing2  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:14:34am

I'd go with JC Watts. I'd like to see Watts run in 2012, even if McCain wins, and I'd like to see Bobby Jindal run in a few years as well.

No matter who McCain picks, I'll once again hold my nose and vote for the 'R' candidate. The party hasn't nominated anyone that I really LIKED since Reagan ran. Sadly, it's another case of 'the greater of two lessers'.

418 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:14:50am

re: #403 djs713

Oops, my bad. Must have slipped a bit :-)

419 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #409 hans ze beeman

In Britain these days, it appears that Muslims are changing their behavior, from several wives to several knives

That, unfortunately, ain't so.
The knife-wielders are mostly of Jamaican descent, its got to do with gang culture and not with Islam.
Sorry.

420 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:15:24am

re: #408 wintercat
Has Palin been vetted by anyone - any skeletons in her closet?

421 n2stox  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:15:45am

Probably someone that knows a thing or two about the economy.

That points to Romney. Former Governor, very successful in business.

He'd likely mop the floor with whomever Obama chose as VP in their debates, much like Cheney did to Edwards and Liebermann.

And the, there could be a decent successor situation.

Why Palin? To grab the female vote?

422 dolfan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:16:11am

re: #385 itellu3times

See my #378.

He just recently announced his engagement. He was not pictured with any women in months, and then all of a sudden, he was engaged. Speculation is that he did it to make himself more "vice presidential," whatever that means.

He bought the global warming crap, too.

More than anything, he's a RINO.

423 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:17:04am

re: #412 yma o hyd

And then Maggie can die happy. Who is leading the Tories these days?

424 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:17:09am

re: #419 yma o hyd

I stand corrected. Aggressive Jamaicans? I must update my stereotype of cool runnings...

425 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:17:24am

Why does everyone seem to be assuming that McCain will be a one term Pres? Has he indicated as much?

426 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:17:29am

re: #422 dolfan

Yeah, he's a mini-McCain that won't add anything to the ticket.

427 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:17:34am

I do hope sincerely that whoever is going to be McCain's choice of VP will be kept utterly secret until after Denver, so that the Bo Campaign is forced to show their ahnd and McCain might be able to counter it at thel lst minute.
Some deviousness is needed here!

428 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:17:46am

#417 right_wing 2

No way to JC Watts. He can't say he won't vote for Obama when pressed. THAT makes me very uncomfortable.

Same with Powell. And he MET with Obama last month.

429 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:18:01am

re: #424 hans ze beeman

They get ornery without their ganga and Red Stripe.

430 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:18:38am

re: #394 Opinionated

Name recognition is good. On the other hand, when you have a VP that everyone has heard of and seen plenty of for years, it's pretty boring. Not good in 2008, when the Dems are running w/ Mr. Excitement. A dark horse with potential to ignite public interest would be great. (Sarah Palin !) A dark horse who's the same old same old would be worthless.

431 DougTheWriter  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:19:28am

re: #5 Lively

How about Edwards and his new ride?

LOL!

432 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:19:43am

re: #423 calcajun

And then Maggie can die happy. Who is leading the Tories these days?

David Cameron - young, and getting the die-hard Tories on board.
Even some crusty NuLAb supporters in the press are beginning to show him some respect, reluctantly.
He's certainly coming off the better in his encounters with Gord. its called Prime Minister's question time, and its a weekly occurrence in Parliament here.

433 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:19:47am

re: #391 harrylook

I'd like to register my wariness of picking someone with lots of executive experience. As it stands, BHO can't use that against McCain. And if McCain picks a governor, eg, it only highlights what McCain is lacking.

Point taken, but even so, we're trying to build a team to actually govern, too.

434 _remembertonyc  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:19:49am

#327 OldLineTexan ...

thanks for the info on Hutchison ... but as someone who has been lax on immigration, does she have enough "juice" with Latino voters to help McCain win? And is she capable of "doing a 180" on the issue once elected?

435 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:20:06am

re: #413 realwest

Uh, NO, McCain was NOT a four star admiral and did not command anything more than a squadron of jet fighter/bombers - you've got him confused with either his father or his grand-father, but John Mcain was never an admiral; indeed, I think he was an LT (Captain in Army speak) in the Navy.

Don't go to far the other way though. THe squadron was the Navy's largest and he did a good job there. He was promoted to Lieutenant Commander (Equivelant to Army Major) before he was shot down.

436 Mike McDaniel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:20:14am

McCain needs somebody who can either deliver a key state that he would otherwise lose, or who can pick off disaffected voters across the board.

Romney brings money, but is NOT conservative (the wishes of the New York-warped NRO crowd notwithstanding). Guliani is Romney without the money. Neither is a good pick.

Michael Steele ran a good campaign for Senate two years ago - I live in Maryland, and he would have won if the general current was not so anti-Republican in that year. But he would be seen as a blatant pander. Better to let him have a crack at the MD governor's race in 2010.

Jindal? Great choice, but I fear he would upstage McCain...and it precipitates Lousiana back into the hands of corrupt and incompetent Democrats. He's the leading contender for 2012 or 2016 at this moment, but his time is not yet here.

Palin? My personal pick at this moment. She can pick off the soccer mom vote, and her credentials both as a reformer and as a conservative are impeccable.

Victor Davis Hansen? Don't I wish. He's #2 on my "Who should be President but can't win" list. (Dr. Jerry Pournelle is #1, BTW). A formidable intellect.

How will McCain jump? I think he won't make a decision...not until Obama shows his hand. McCain has the advantage of being able to wait until Obama makes HIS VP selection, and can choose from his short list the candidate who makes the most sense.

437 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:20:15am

re: #420 realwest

I have no idea if she has been vetted or if there are any plans to do so. But I think she should be. Much rests on the VP choice. Everything, in fact, in my view. McCain has several downsides that could and must be counter balanced by a good VP selection or the Republicans (and the rest of us) can kiss America as we know it goodbye.

438 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:20:34am

re: #411 adragonknowsbest Well, no, actually New Hampshire is much more liberal than upstate New York is.
And yes our two senators are Dems, but prior to that, we had NYS govenors. And don't forget that the SENIOR Senator from NY was spurned by the Dem Party - could and I'd wager would be a LOT of disaffected Dems - not just females, either - who would go for McCain/Rudy.

439 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:21:23am

re: #430 wolfie

Name recognition is good. On the other hand, when you have a VP that everyone has heard of and seen plenty of for years, it's pretty boring. Not good in 2008, when the Dems are running w/ Mr. Excitement. A dark horse with potential to ignite public interest would be great. (Sarah Palin !) A dark horse who's the same old same old would be worthless.

You're convincing me!
Hope someone in the McCain Campaign is reading this thread ...

440 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #417 right_wing2
So please, make the case for Watts. I really would like to know why some lizards are so fond of him.

441 lurking faith  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:23:05am

re: #26 Alouette

The problem is that while in the DOS, the Saudis removed Condi's brain and replaced it with Folger's Crystals.


You owe me a new monitor.

442 crash72  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:23:29am

Brett Favre is looking for a job.

443 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:23:31am

re: #432 yma o hyd

I know. I used to watch it on C-Span over here. It's the political equivalent of a cage match, only less polite.

444 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:23:54am

re: #422 dolfan

See my #378.

He just recently announced his engagement. He was not pictured with any women in months, and then all of a sudden, he was engaged. Speculation is that he did it to make himself more "vice presidential," whatever that means.

He bought the global warming crap, too.

More than anything, he's a RINO.

Well, in for one RINO, why not two?

He seems a good speaker and campaigner.

OK, I'll move him down my list, but I still have nothing like a favorite.

My old buddy Rudy, I'll just assume is not even a possible, nor would I recommend him at this point.

Maybe someone like Tancredo, and just take the weak campaigner with the good? But could you even get Tancredo and McCain in a room together, without fisticuffs?

445 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:24:25am

re: #430 wolfie

Name recognition is good. On the other hand, when you have a VP that everyone has heard of and seen plenty of for years, it's pretty boring. Not good in 2008, when the Dems are running w/ Mr. Excitement. A dark horse with potential to ignite public interest would be great. (Sarah Palin !) A dark horse who's the same old same old would be worthless.

The Republicans can't run in 2008 hoping to out excite.

The only winning possibility is experience, competence and expertise vs glitter.

446 ivrydov  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:24:54am

I like Michael Steele. That way you might get his former brother-in-law Mike Tyson out in the trenches. Mike wouldn't help with the sex in the city female crowd, but he might get a draw a few voters among the black folks

447 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:25:10am

re: #432 yma o hyd

David Cameron - young, and getting the die-hard Tories on board.
Even some crusty NuLAb supporters in the press are beginning to show him some respect, reluctantly.
He's certainly coming off the better in his encounters with Gord. its called Prime Minister's question time, and its a weekly occurrence in Parliament here.

Michael Howard, who I met once, proved a great disappointment. Why did he try to cut left and run as more against the Americans than Labour?

448 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:25:13am

I should say, I presume it will be Romney, with all the lack of enthusiasm by voters of both parties that entails.

449 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:25:28am

re: #421 n2stox

"Why Palin? To grab the female vote?"

She could attract some of those independents who were attracted to Hillary on the basis of gender alone. But the main thing is that she would bring a little youth and glamour to the ticket. It could dampen the excitement about the Dems' "historic ticket" ....at least somewhat.
She's photogenic and media savvy.

450 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:25:50am

re: #442 crash72

Brett Favre is looking for a job.

Yes, but he wants to be a starter.

451 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:26:01am

re: #438 realwest

Didn't you guys go for Kerry in '04 and Gore in 2000? Probably Clinton too I bet. Anyway I know a trend when I see one. But thank you for fighting the good fight in that state :)

452 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:26:39am

On the good news front, the LGF headlines triangle pull down thingy, is finally working right on my IE6!

453 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:26:58am

re: #448 itellu3times

I should say, I presume it will be Romney, with all the lack of enthusiasm by voters of both parties that entails.

Strange thing about Romney, on paper he looks great. Not so much in real life.

454 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:27:05am

re: #435 lifeofthemind
GACK! A fighter squadron is either 12 or 16 aircraft.
It is NOT equivalent to a Naval squadron of six to 10 ships.
Oy - trying to pick a VP for McCain only to find out that we don't know who McCain was.
Sigh.

455 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:27:54am

re: #443 calcajun

I know. I used to watch it on C-Span over here. It's the political equivalent of a cage match, only less polite.

Don't we wish that happened in America. A politician having to survive years of close observation and grilling before moving up, knowing he will be subject to weekly public examination. A lightweight like Obama would never come out of that system. The Electoral College was supposed to give us better vetted choices.

456 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:28:03am

re: #443 calcajun

Just so!
Bunch of drunken, rabid schoolboys is the comparison I'd use - but good fun, now and then!

457 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:28:26am

re: #453 Opinionated

Strange thing about Romney, on paper he looks great. Not so much in real life.

Maybe he's been taking dancing lessons or something the last couple of months and will do much better now.

458 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:28:48am

I am still waiting for an answer on why everyone thinks McCain is only getting one term.

459 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:29:13am

McCain doesn't need Giuliani. Giuliani's biggest selling point was his hawkishness, but otherwise the man is a centrist. McCain already has good National Security bonafides (and is already a centrist on social issues), so he doesn't need Giuliani to bolster them. He needs a social conservative (who's not a wackjob). Romney is good. Hunter is better (though less known). Huckabee or Jindal would be disastrous choices.

460 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:29:15am

re: #458 Ford_Prefect
Math.

461 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:29:16am

re: #449 wolfie

"Why Palin? To grab the female vote?"

She could attract some of those independents who were attracted to Hillary on the basis of gender alone. But the main thing is that she would bring a little youth and glamour to the ticket. It could dampen the excitement about the Dems' "historic ticket" ....at least somewhat.
She's photogenic and media savvy.


* * *

No Republican without pre-existing name recognition is going to get media time this year, no matter how "media savvy."

McCain's shut out of the news cycles already.

462 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:29:42am

re: #425 Ford_Prefect

Why does everyone seem to be assuming that McCain will be a one term Pres? Has he indicated as much?

He could outlive us all!

463 coquimbojoe  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:30:16am

re: #251 turn

"There are no national data on how Mormons feel about Romney, religion polling experts say, though the November 2006 Utah Colleges Exit Poll showed 68 percent of Utah Mormons chose him in a hypothetical primary. About 35 percent of U.S. Mormons live in Utah. "

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

According to this about 2% of Americans are Mormon which would be about 6 million total. 70% of 6 mil is figgin huge - 4.2 mil!

[Link: www.adherents.com...]

Yes, but not all of us can vote. I like Romney not because of my religion, but because he has great business sense. We need some of that in Government. Rudy with his GREAT experience would be really nice too. I worry that McCain might not be capable of listening to good advice though.

464 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:30:24am

re: #447 lifeofthemind

I think because he desperately tried to show that the epiteth*) given to him by a fellow conservative was not true ...

*) 'There is something of the night about him' - said by Anne Widdecombe when he was Sec of the Interior.

465 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:30:48am

I'm thinking Romney.

466 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:31:04am

re: #453 Opinionated

Strange thing about Romney, on paper he looks great. Not so much in real life.

* * *
Compared to the South Side communisty organizer, Mitt walks on water in my book--and without any radical leftist America-dissin' connections.

467 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:31:21am

re: #446 ivrydov Mike Tyson? You're joking, right? Black Americans are gonna vote 90+% for Obama and I don't blame them at all - it's their first and maybe last chance to get a Black President.
And Mike Tyson - can he or his "buds" even vote (can a person convicted of a felony vote)?!

468 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:32:23am

re: #460 wintercat

Math.

So you are saying he is going to die in office? Great job at picking him for the part in the first place then. And if he does live through it does anyone really think he will just step aside?

469 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:32:31am

re: #461 alegrias

So are you saying that only a Republican with name recognition will get media attention. My guess is that anyone on the GOP ticket will have a tough time getting recognized so it is therefore more critical that the VP better bring something special to the table that the media 1) can't ignore or 2) that the people start talking about and the media be damned.

470 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:32:54am

An intersting article on why Black Republicans may go for Obama:

[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

471 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:33:25am

re: #458 Ford_Prefect

I am still waiting for an answer on why everyone thinks McCain is only getting one term.

* * *
Age-ism, telegenithity were he to become president and run in 2012 at 75 years. Though his mother's 96 and still speeding in her red BMW.

472 hooligan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:33:32am

If he went with Rudy, then I could recycle my Rudy 2008 long-sleeved tee and duct-tape the word "vice" in front of the word "president". Lizards are truly green creatures.

473 Kulhwch  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:33:34am

1.  Rudy.
2.  Fred Thompson.
3.  Tancredo.
4.  Romney.
5.  Sarah Palin.
6.  Colin Powell.
7.  Condoleeza Rice.
8.  Stinky Beaumont (w/club)

}:)     [In order of choice ... ]

474 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:33:46am

re: #449 wolfie HEY WOFIE - is Palin paying you as much as Rudy is paying me to push for her?! LOL!
Seriously, what do we know about her - has she been vetted, any "skeletons" in her closet - I think someone mentioned upthread that she's suddenly in hot water in her state over some sort of corruption charges?!

475 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:33:54am

Mike Tyson musta been a joke.
He's dumb as a stick.

476 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:34:20am

re: #454 realwest

GACK! A fighter squadron is either 12 or 16 aircraft.
It is NOT equivalent to a Naval squadron of six to 10 ships.
Oy - trying to pick a VP for McCain only to find out that we don't know who McCain was.
Sigh.

The facts on this are easy enough to find, wiki, McCain's website etc. A naval squadron, as in Destroyer Squadron 2 (DESRON 2), is an administrative grouping (as in maintenance) not an operational designation (as in tactics). It is commanded by a Rear Admiral. McCain's record in his Command was a good one. Think of it as being the equivalent of an Army battalion command. He turned around a large hard luck outfit and saved money.

477 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:34:22am

re: #468 Ford_Prefect

I didn't pick him. I voted for Rudy.

And yes, I think he very well could die in office. Anyone in that office can die, just like anyone of the rest of us. That is why a VP is a very important choice.

478 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:34:26am

As for those who insist McCain is one term, it will depend on two things: If another war breaks out (or if there is another terrorist attack), and just how badly the Dems commit political suicide in their next Presidential primary. Remember, Bush II was already the "worst President ever" in 2004, but the Dems selected that anti-military pantywaist Kerry while the WTC attack was still fresh in America's mind. Dems will do it again. Just give them enough rope.

479 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #451 adragonknowsbest I don't know who you mean by "you guys" but I voted Bush in 2000 and 2004.

480 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:35:20am

re: #467 realwest

Mike Tyson? You're joking, right? Black Americans are gonna vote 90+% for Obama and I don't blame them at all - it's their first and maybe last chance to get a Black President.
And Mike Tyson - can he or his "buds" even vote (can a person convicted of a felony vote)?!

* * *
Virginia's democrat governor Kaine is trying to allow felons to vote this year, and he's on Obama's short list for veep.

481 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:35:35am

My VP fantasy: The Stache! (Bolton, natch)

482 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #481 Know Your Enemy

My VP fantasy: The Stache! (Bolton, natch)

McCain will steer clear of anyone considered part of the "Bush regime".

483 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:37:09am

re: #459 Lizard by the Bay Huh, I thought Rudy's biggest selliing points were proven executive ability, leadership and law and order and getting elected AS A REPUBLICAN in that otherwise fine, but BLUE City of New York, Twice!

484 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:37:13am

re: #415 MellyMel

He opposes abortion in cases of rape and incest. Whatever other merits he has, I would not vote for him because of this. It is simply too scary.

485 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:37:24am

re: #481 Know Your Enemy

My VP fantasy: The Stache! (Bolton, natch)

No no no no no no no!

Bolton simply has to be the next SecState!

486 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:37:58am

Picking Sarah Palin would put a quick end to the media spin that they are only covering Obama so much because his story is more appealing.

487 TN_Vol  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:37:59am

I don't think McCain has indicated that he would be a one termer. I just think that he may decide after four years he might decide not to seek a second term.

488 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:38:34am

re: #482 Lizard by the Bay

McCain will steer clear of anyone considered part of the "Bush regime".

If he doesn't give Bolton the State Dept for the reason you name then he'd cut off his nose to spite his face.

489 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:38:40am

re: #469 wintercat

Well said my man. The media would have no choice but to cover the rising political star of Palin. However, Romney got quite a bit of coverage during his run and would largely be ignored. Same with Rudy. We need fresh....we need new. If the people of America want an African American or a female, I say why the hell not.

490 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:38:49am

re: #463 coquimbojoe

Yes, but not all of us can vote. I like Romney not because of my religion, but because he has great business sense. We need some of that in Government. Rudy with his GREAT experience would be really nice too. I worry that McCain might not be capable of listening to good advice though.

Good point, must be 18+ or older to vote. Don't have a breakdown on that but it appears the Mormons still represent a huge voting block. I appreciate the voting for the best man regardless of religion thing, however I still suspect there is a good deal of loyalty among Mormons and that the vast majority of you would vote Mitt.

Back to work for me ...

491 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:39:14am

re: #483 realwest

Huh, I thought Rudy's biggest selliing points were proven executive ability, leadership and law and order and getting elected AS A REPUBLICAN in that otherwise fine, but BLUE City of New York, Twice!

As a Presidential candidate, those qualities are admirable. But a Veep choice is supposed to "fill in" the electoral gaps left by the nominee. Giuliani doesn't do that.

492 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:39:43am

re: #445 Opinionated

The Republicans can't run in 2008 hoping to out excite.

The only winning possibility is experience, competence and expertise vs glitter.

I don't expect them to out-excite. They could put the second incarnation of Elvis on the ticket and not out-excite.

I expect them to try not to put the electorate to sleep.

People say McCain "isn't campaigning." He's campaigning as much as Obama is but the MSM is too bored or biased to give him any coverage.
Sarah Palin is a ratings-getter, IMO.

Obama is DOA in a competence/experience contest. Which is why HE will try to pick someone who appears experienced.
McCain might do well to pick someone who is sexy.
It's called "balancing the ticket."

493 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #488 yma o hyd

If he doesn't give Bolton the State Dept for the reason you name then he'd cut off his nose to spite his face.

That is one thing John "Maverick" McCain has no trouble doing.

494 lurking faith  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:40:21am

re: #130 Honorary Yooper

Sarah Palin is the current governor of Alaska, and Michael Steele was the Lt. Governor of Maryland. Steele had a Senate run wherein he was pelted with Oreo cookies.

Just in case anybody had forgotten that Democrats only like minorities when they are obedient to their Dem masters.

495 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:40:30am

My barber says Mitt cannot be elected because he is Mormon, and that the only reason he wasn't able to get the nod over McCain is because he is a Mormon.

I live in Utah, my barber is a Mormon, and a democat, , and he just
may be right...

Go Rudy.....!

496 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:41:01am

re: #469 wintercat

So are you saying that only a Republican with name recognition will get media attention. My guess is that anyone on the GOP ticket will have a tough time getting recognized so it is therefore more critical that the VP better bring something special to the table that the media 1) can't ignore or 2) that the people start talking about and the media be damned.

* * *

I'd expect Republicans to nominate someone for Veep who is qualified to be President from day one, not someone whose main draw is gender/appearance.

Cheney was no one's idea of attractive, youthful or media-genic, yet what a genius hardworking patriot who keeps on ticking after taking 8 years of lickings.

497 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:41:47am

re: #489 adragonknowsbest

Well said my man.


My lady. :) But thanks.

The GOP has to break the image of just being a party of old white men. And yes, anyone is going to be criticized. But better to be criticized and win then to not win at all.

498 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:41:55am

re: #476 lifeofthemind
From Wiki:
"The early life and military career of John Sidney McCain III spans forty-five years (1936–1981). McCain's father and grandfather were admirals in the United States Navy. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, and attended many schools growing up as his family moved among naval facilities. McCain graduated from the United States Naval Academy in 1958. He married the former Carol Shepp in 1965; he adopted two children from her previous marriage and they had another child together.

As a naval aviator, McCain flew attack aircraft from carriers. During the Vietnam War in 1967, he narrowly escaped death in the Forrestal fire. On his twenty-third bombing mission over North Vietnam later in 1967, he was shot down and badly injured. He subsequently endured five and a half years as a prisoner of war, including periods of torture. In 1968, he refused a North Vietnamese offer of early release, because it would have meant leaving before other prisoners who had been held longer. He was finally released in 1973 after the Paris Peace Accords.

Upon his return, McCain studied at the National War College, commanded a large training squadron in the U.S., and was appointed the Navy liaison to the U.S. Senate. He divorced his wife Carol in 1980 and married the former Cindy Hensley shortly thereafter. He retired from the Navy in 1981 as a decorated captain.[emphasis, realwest]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

499 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:43:27am

Alternatives:

Troy Aikman
Brett Favre
Joe Montana
Robert Duvall
Charles Barkley
Heather Locklear
The Rock
Bo Jackson
Joe Gibbs

500 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:43:33am

re: #489 adragonknowsbest

What's needed is for any Veep pick is someone who will take the fight to the other guys in a forceful enough manner that he can't be ignored by the media. As I said before, McCain will have to bite his tongue about the Marquess de Queensbury rules once the Veep choice is made. McCain may think that he can keep this race out of the gutter, but that's his own naivete talking. Gentleman John will get smeared worse than anything he's seen in his entire life (and that's saying something) if the race is anywhere near to being close this Fall. He needs a fighter on his side or he's going the way of Bob Dole.

501 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:43:50am

re: #492 wolfie

I hope we are not the only ones who see this. McCain is dead in the water if he takes Rudy or Mitt.

502 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:45:03am

re: #440 realwest,

It's not any one thing. He was the best that the Republicans had in the impeachment of Clinton. A very compelling orator. And he's right on the Issues. He'll assure the base, and appeal to moderates because he is black. The people who want to vote for Obama for racial reasons will have a real choice.

I had expected him to run for the Senate, and then try for the Presidency from there. He instead retired. I think he'd answer the call to be VP if he got it, though.

503 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:45:30am

re: #496 alegrias

* * *

I'd expect Republicans to nominate someone for Veep who is qualified to be President from day one, not someone whose main draw is gender/appearance.blockquote>

What is wrong with choosing a VP with all of the above qualifications? Governers have gone on to become presidents haven't they?

504 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:45:34am

re: #472 hooligan

If he went with Rudy, then I could recycle my Rudy 2008 long-sleeved tee and duct-tape the word "vice" in front of the word "president". Lizards are truly green creatures.

That is the best argument for Rudy I've read today!
(I like him a lot, BTW, but not in the VP slot. He'd make an great AG, tho' I wanna see him in the Senate!)

505 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:45:39am

re: #455 lifeofthemind

Under the founding fathers' vision, at least 2/3 of the people here wouldn't be allowed to vote. You had to have been landed or of means in order to have the right to vote. The FF did not want to have universal suffrage because they knew it would turn into mob rule. The theory being that the landed gentry and men (not women) of means wold have the time and intellectual inclination to sift through the issues and make informed decisions. Elections were not meant to be popularity contests.

Then Andrew Jackson came and screwed it all up.

506 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:46:04am

Ah well it's been grand as usual y'all but I gotta go mush some lunch.
Hope you all have a GREAT DAY, that the predicted Heavy T-storms here don't keep me off the internet today/tonight and that I get a chance to see you all down the road.

Oh and PS - OBAMA isn't gonna win no matter WHO McCain has as his VP running mate!

507 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:47:33am

re: #479 realwest

I'm just playin' with ya. But my point is simple...don't take Rudy as VP because you think he will get you NY. He will not. NY has been picking Dem candidates in Presidential and Senate elections for quite a while now. Let NY go to BO and focus on Ohio, PA, FL, etc.

508 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:47:51am

re: #492 wolfie


McCain might do well to pick someone who is sexy.
It's called "balancing the ticket."

Choice A - Look, here's sexy

Choice B- Look, here is someone you know understands the economy, he will redefine the Vice Presidency in concentrating his time to fix our ailing economy while you know that I will take care of National Security.

Maybe, it's just me but for this time in history, I find choice B sexier.

509 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:48:30am

re: #498 realwest

Yes it was a training squadron. During peacetime that was as good and significantly larger a job than any deployed squadron. The question isn't about his combat leadership here is is about his administrative and managerial skills. McCain has proven he has them and Obama has not shown he does.

510 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:48:53am

re: #502 Iron Fist

,

It's not any one thing. He was the best that the Republicans had in the impeachment of Clinton. A very compelling orator. And he's right on the Issues. He'll assure the base, and appeal to moderates because he is black. The people who want to vote for Obama for racial reasons will have a real choice.

I had expected him to run for the Senate, and then try for the Presidency from there. He instead retired. I think he'd answer the call to be VP if he got it, though.

* * *
Bob Barr and Lindsey Graham also did all right as Impeachment managers of Clinton. Too bad they've taken such different roads--it's unforgiveable of Barr to run off the deep Libertarian end this year for ego reasons.

511 TN_Vol  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:48:58am

Regardless of who he picks McCain is going to have to win this on his own and he is going to have to be aggressive and clearly articulate why he is a better choice that BHO. This will call for some staight forward criticism of BHO and his positions and if that makes him a racist in some peoples eyes so be it.

512 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:49:05am

I haven't seen Lindey Graham's named mentioned once in this thread. While he would certainly be no one on my list, I am surprised that he hasn't been discussed. He is probably the closest to McCain in terms of governing philosophy. Personally, I think that there is a good chance that McCain may choose him.

513 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:49:10am

re: #492 wolfie

I don't expect them to out-excite. They could put the second incarnation of Elvis on the ticket and not out-excite.

I expect them to try not to put the electorate to sleep.

People say McCain "isn't campaigning." He's campaigning as much as Obama is but the MSM is too bored or biased to give him any coverage.
Sarah Palin is a ratings-getter, IMO.

Obama is DOA in a competence/experience contest. Which is why HE will try to pick someone who appears experienced.
McCain might do well to pick someone who is sexy.
It's called "balancing the ticket."

[Link: askpang.typepad.com...]

514 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:49:32am

e: #440 realwest,

Think you're right on this..
Can anyone call the RNC with a suggestion?

515 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:50:19am

re: #492 wolfie

McCain might do well to pick someone who is sexy.
It's called "balancing the ticket."

Yes but WHO?

516 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #515 itellu3times

That would be Sarah Palin, IMHO.

517 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:51:53am

re: #477 wintercat

I didn't pick him. I voted for Rudy.

And yes, I think he very well could die in office. Anyone in that office can die, just like anyone of the rest of us. That is why a VP is a very important choice.

I agree with you about the importance of the VP vote. I just don't see him stepping aside in 2012 unless his health becomes a major problem. And I think it is interesting that we haven't even had this election yet, and people are already talking about 2012.

518 kansas  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:51:56am

re: #515 itellu3times

Yes but WHO?

Angelina Jolie might do.

519 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:51:58am

re: #512 MJBrutus

I haven't seen Lindey Graham's named mentioned once in this thread. While he would certainly be no one on my list, I am surprised that he hasn't been discussed. He is probably the closest to McCain in terms of governing philosophy. Personally, I think that there is a good chance that McCain may choose him.

* * *
Well I just mentioned Graham above your comment!

Graham's got brains but he's too closely identified with McCain, as a hanger on. He's got military experience but no wife. No executive experience either. But I like him as a South Carolina senator.

520 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:52:02am

re: #507 adragonknowsbest

I'm just playin' with ya. But my point is simple...don't take Rudy as VP because you think he will get you NY. He will not. NY has been picking Dem candidates in Presidential and Senate elections for quite a while now. Let NY go to BO and focus on Ohio, PA, FL, etc.

NY also picked Republican Governors and Senators and voted for Reagan

Give New Yorkers a reason to vote for the Republican ticket- and if you succeed- the election is over.

Giuliani may just do that, and not just for NY.

521 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:52:06am

re: #514 Dizzy26

e: #440 realwest,

Think you're right on this..
Can anyone call the RNC with a suggestion?

Would they actually listen? I grok it a big leap of faith that the RNC would actually do so.

522 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #515 itellu3times

Yes but WHO?

see link in 513 - that's who. Having second thoughts about Mitt after seeing that photo.

523 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:52:29am

re: #512 MJBrutus

I haven't seen Lindey Graham's named mentioned once in this thread. While he would certainly be no one on my list, I am surprised that he hasn't been discussed. He is probably the closest to McCain in terms of governing philosophy. Personally, I think that there is a good chance that McCain may choose him.

I thought about mentioning him, one of McCain's Senate buddies, not the most conservative knife in the box, but young, bright. Has that high-pitched southern vibe that I do not think travels well around the country. We could do worse.

524 kansas  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:52:53am

re: #501 adragonknowsbest

I hope we are not the only ones who see this. McCain is dead in the water if he takes Rudy or Mitt.

525 realwest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:53:27am

re: #502 Iron Fist
Whoops, sorry bro' didn't see you posted before I signed off - my problem with JC Watts is that I honestly believe the Repubs need someone with Executive ability - a govenor or a mayor of a large city.
This is the first election between two Senators that I can remember (and remember, I'm older than dirt) and NO Senator has won POTUS since JFK's dad bought Chicago for him, 48 years ago!
The reason is fairly simple - you need someone who has proven excutive leadership. Seriously, all Presidents elected since 1960 - 48 years, 12 elections have either been incumbent Presidents, Vice-Presidents or Govenors. Jeebus my friend, JC isn't even in Public Office now!
(course, some of us would say that's in his favor!) but given McCain's age - and you KNOW the Dems and the AP - sorry for being redundant there - are already hitting at McCains age; a VP nominee with executive experience would help; maybe Palin from Alaska - after she's been thoroghly vetted!

OK, now I'm outta here!

526 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:53:30am
527 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:53:35am

re: #519 alegrias

I think you posted at the same time that I was composing mine :-)

528 doubleplusundead  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:53:43am

Palin. She'd probably do well in Pennsylvania, possibly Ohio, and if McCain could pick up PA, Obama would really struggle. No Democrat since Truman has won the White House without PA, and there are many things working in McCain's favor. If he picks Romney, he isn't going to do him any favors here.

Palin is pro-life (Romney's been a squish), she's pro-2nd (as opposed to Romney), and she comes from a more blue-collar background(Romney's CEO image is not gonna help McCain here).

529 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:55:18am

re: #518 kansas

Angelina Jolie might do.

Sure, if McCain wants to be adopted.

530 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:55:46am

re: #523 itellu3times

Lindsey Graham. Has that high-pitched southern vibe that I do not think travels well around the country. We could do worse.

"High-pitched" doesn't go with southern.

531 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:56:00am

re: #528 doubleplusundead

Palin. She'd probably do well in Pennsylvania, possibly Ohio, and if McCain could pick up PA, Obama would really struggle. No Democrat since Truman has won the White House without PA, and there are many things working in McCain's favor. If he picks Romney, he isn't going to do him any favors here.

Palin is pro-life (Romney's been a squish), she's pro-2nd (as opposed to Romney), and she comes from a more blue-collar background(Romney's CEO image is not gonna help McCain here).

* * *
I couldn't pick her out in a line-up, and I'm a political junkie. What makes you think PA, OH or any other CONTINENTAL state would go for someone they've never heard of?

532 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:56:45am

re: #502 Iron Fist

Watts is practically in the tank for Obama. He'll be his running mate before he'll be McCain's.

533 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:57:15am

re: #522 turn

see link in 513 - that's who. Having second thoughts about Mitt after seeing that photo.

I'm not thinking of Mitt at all after seeing that photo, but I miss the relevance, who is she - a quick scroll upthread did not reveal the answer to me.

534 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:57:37am

re: #531 alegrias

* * *
I couldn't pick her out in a line-up, and I'm a political junkie. What makes you think PA, OH or any other CONTINENTAL state would go for someone they've never heard of?

It's early. 3-4 months of ads will seal the deal.

535 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:57:50am

re: #343 experiencedtraveller

I disagree re what he has done re cleaning up the roads, etc. They are awful, and they are being fixed up all over the place. His kow-towing to illegals and wanting NYC to spend so much to cater to those who will not learn English? And graffiti? All over the place. And the roadsides are again getting filthy. We see it when we go to see our kids, as we are in the 'burbs, and 1 is in Queens, daughter and her family are in Brooklyn, and another son and his family are on LI..and oldest son and his family are in NJ.
He was a Dem, then a Republican and now is an indy.

He is a pompous, annoying schmuck.

Re Jewish Governors in NY? Herbert Lehman was the first, and you all know about the despicable Spitzer...

I do not vote by religion, but by qualifications. I would not be very happy with Lieberman, as I have said. I am grateful that as a Jew, living in the USA, I can vote for who I feel is the best qualified!

And for those who want Jindal, who is not a Jew? Watch this video, please...he wants ID in the schools, among other things. And Charles posted this thread re Jindal last month, re ID, etc.

536 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:57:52am

re: #531 alegrias

Who knew who Obama was before he threw his hat in the race?

537 red satellite  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:58:10am

Lindsay Graham is a SHILL for La Raza!

538 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:58:39am

re: #533 itellu3times

She is Alaska's governor.

539 neocon hippie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:59:00am

re: #506 realwest

What makes you so confident that Obama won't win, R-dub? I certainly don't have that confidence?

540 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:59:03am

re: #512 MJBrutus

I haven't seen Lindey Graham's named mentioned once in this thread. While he would certainly be no one on my list, I am surprised that he hasn't been discussed. He is probably the closest to McCain in terms of governing philosophy. Personally, I think that there is a good chance that McCain may choose him.

Excuse me while a go barf. A lot of the Republican base will already be holding their nose while voting for McCain. Lindsey Graham will make them stay home.

541 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:59:57am

re: #536 WinterCat

Who knew who Obama was before he threw his hat in the race?

Quite similar to the way that Jimmy Carter came out of nowhere to win.

542 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:00:05am

re: #520 Opinionated

You are an optimist I suppose and I am the pessimist. Perhaps the people can be reasoned with and shown that Obama is not who he says he is. The appeal of the color of his skin will go away and issues will be discussed. NOT GONNA HAPPEN. I am a realist. The media will not give our candiadates the time of day. So we force the hand and we make them give us some time. Next, it balances the ticket. I don't want two crusty old men. Palin or Steele add youth and energy and yes that dreaded word "diversity". Then the race will become about issues as each party will have a ground breaking candiate...Obama for the Dems and Palin/Steele for the Reps. If and when the race becomes about issues and ideea to make America better...WE WIN.

543 WinterCat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:00:37am

re: #541 FurryOldGuyJeans

Quite similar to the way that Jimmy Carter came out of nowhere to win.

Well, we all know how that turned out.

544 turn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:00:39am

re: #533 itellu3times

[Link: gov.state.ak.us...]

545 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:00:57am

re: #474 realwest

HEY WOFIE - is Palin paying you as much as Rudy is paying me to push for her?! LOL!
Seriously, what do we know about her - has she been vetted, any "skeletons" in her closet - I think someone mentioned upthread that she's suddenly in hot water in her state over some sort of corruption charges?!

Oh, I really am no expert on her! (Don't know about this latest news.)
All politicos have skeletons, BTW, so you just have to chose WHICH skeletons are least offensive.)

I am looking at two things here: Obama's greatest strength and his greatest weakness.
His greatest strength is that the MSM is in love with him and is totally indifferent to McCain. This is because of bias, of course, but also because th MSM thinks BHO is a great story, he's news. A VP choice like Sarah Palin won't do a damn thing about bias, but she is news and she is a babe. Story. Ratings. Glamour.
Obama's greatest weakness is what his people call his "Appalachian problem." McCain's VP choice should be someone who can hold and attract the bitter, clingy constituency, or at the very least, not antagonize a good chunk of them. Palin is packing heat, my friend!

Rudy is a good presidential candidate. (sigh) But for VP, no. Part of his appeal is his take-charge attitude, which is not really suited to the second-rung spot. He could make McCain look a bit lackluster.
Unless you think NYS is up for grabs (and I don't), he adds nothing to the ticket.

546 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:01:01am

re: #541 FurryOldGuyJeans

Quite similar to the way that Jimmy Carter came out of nowhere to win.

Bill Clinton too.

547 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:02:33am

re: #482 Lizard by the Bay

McCain will steer clear of anyone considered part of the "Bush regime".

God willing.
If McCain is smart.

548 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:03:20am

re: #531 alegrias

The womens vote was huge in those states (OH & PA). Hillary's support was high. Palin would make a huge difference in getting females 18 - 30 to vote republican. She's a charismatic, successful, powerful woman and would have this effect I am sure.

If you couldn't pick her out of a line up I suggest you google her. She's a bit of a hottie.

549 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:03:27am
550 de La Valette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:03:41am

Perhaps Charles could create a thread in which properly formatted preferences could be noted and parsed later. My list, to win - not personal preference:

1. Palin
2. Rudy (if he can force Obama to work for NY/NJ)
3. Meg Whitman

551 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:03:52am

re: #413 realwest

Uh, NO, McCain was NOT a four star admiral and did not command anything more than a squadron of jet fighter/bombers - you've got him confused with either his father or his grand-father, but John Mcain was never an admiral; indeed, I think he was an LT (Captain in Army speak) in the Navy.


He retired as a Captain, which is the Navy equivalent of Colonel in the Army.

552 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:04:33am

re: #535 NY Nana

I disagree re what he has done re cleaning up the roads, etc. They are awful, and they are being fixed up all over the place. His kow-towing to illegals and wanting NYC to spend so much to cater to those who will not learn English? And graffiti? All over the place. And the roadsides are again getting filthy. We see it when we go to see our kids, as we are in the 'burbs, and 1 is in Queens, daughter and her family are in Brooklyn, and another son and his family are on LI..and oldest son and his family are in NJ.
He was a Dem, then a Republican and now is an indy.

He is a pompous, annoying schmuck.

Re Jewish Governors in NY? Herbert Lehman was the first, and you all know about the despicable Spitzer...

I do not vote by religion, but by qualifications. I would not be very happy with Lieberman, as I have said. I am grateful that as a Jew, living in the USA, I can vote for who I feel is the best qualified!

And for those who want Jindal, who is not a Jew? Watch this video, please...he wants ID in the schools, among other things. And Charles posted this thread re Jindal last month, re ID, etc.

* * *
NY NANA,, thank you thank you thank you--for voting for who is best qualified, NOT who looks like you or who looks a certain way.

President and vice president is serious business, and Hollywood & Madison avenue marketing folks don't run the world, thank heaven.

We've already got the UN in the USA to "representing" people on a superficial basis, and they aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.

553 SDC  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:05:19am

Ideally, someone who isn't a RINO or religious nut (or prey to either of those groups); tragically, there isn't much available to choose from right now, but I'd be happy with someone who believes that the least government is the best government. Bonus points for a woman or "person of color", as it may further split the Dumocrats.

554 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:05:30am
555 djs713  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:06:03am

Haley Barbour is still my first choice. He has been a good governor and he is only 61. He has executive experience, the Republican base will support him, and he is young enough to run for POTUS in 2012.

556 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:06:21am

re: #551 RightOnTheLeftCoast

Right, I fessed up to my gaffe earlier. I'll do so again now.

557 doubleplusundead  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:06:47am

re: #531 alegrias

* * *
I couldn't pick her out in a line-up, and I'm a political junkie. What makes you think PA, OH or any other CONTINENTAL state would go for someone they've never heard of?

Send her to do the meet and greet, do some townhall things like McCain does, ads, as mentioned.

558 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:07:31am

re: #546 Ford_Prefect

Bill Clinton too.

* * *
Bill Clinton won the first time in 1992 in a three way race, with many of us voting for Ross Perot who got 20% of the vote.

559 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:08:16am

re: #546 Ford_Prefect

Bill Clinton too.

Carter had a huge backlash factor in his favor; an unpopular war (over in fact but still very much ongoing for a lot of voters), very bad economic policies and times that were causing a lot of Americans pain, a disgraced and resigned Nixon and the unelected Ford. Eerily similar to how Bush 43 is being portrayed in more than a few respects. Clinton, for my views, had only a bad economy as his counterpoint.

560 RevWolf  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:08:39am

Fred Thompson!

John Bolton would be fun, but too polarizing for the job.
I'd be happy with Rudy, but McCain needs to shore up conservative support, not be accused of being more RINO.
Mitts not bad, but kinda meh.

561 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:09:52am

532 Lizard by the Bay

Watts is practically in the tank for Obama. He'll be his running mate before he'll be McCain's.

Got any real evidence of that 'in the tank for' stuff?

562 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:10:26am

re: #547 wolfie

God willing.
If McCain is smart.

* * * *

I still support Bush-Cheney and don't appreciate McCain's "distancing" behavior from them, to woo HOllywood, liberals & centrists and his former best buds, the media, who now ignore & despise McCain as they do Bush-Cheney.

Face it, the media will not let McCain be "cool" or "maverick" ever again.

563 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:10:48am

Sarah Palin on Glen Beck talking about drilling in ANWR. (sorry, but she is not on til around the 5 minute mark)

564 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:10:50am

re: #484 American Jewess In Jerusalem,

If abortion is your main issue, you are best served by voting for Obama. He not only is againnst any restrictions on abortions, he wants a "dead baby" guarentee.


In 2002, as an Illinois legislator, Obama voted against the Induced Infant Liability Act, which would have protected babies that survived late-term abortions. That same year a similar federal law, the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, was signed by President Bush. Only 15 members of the U.S. House opposed it, and it passed the Senate unanimously on a voice vote.


Obama is, I believe, the most radically pro-abortion Presidential Candidate ever to run.

That said, if Abortion is your issue, McCain probably isn't your pick, no matter who is VP. His Record isn't as conservative as some, but is still very Conservative when compared to Obama.

565 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:11:18am

Sarah Palin pick would put Conservatives clearly at her behind...
Pun there mebee.

566 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:11:37am

re: #508 Opinionated

Choice A - Look, here's sexy

Choice B- Look, here is someone you know understands the economy, he will redefine the Vice Presidency in concentrating his time to fix our ailing economy while you know that I will take care of National Security.

Maybe, it's just me but for this time in history, I find choice B sexier.

Oh, I agree with you. But we aren't the average voter. Or television viewer. Most people don't follow these things as closely as lizards do.
If they did, McCain could run a dead cat as his VP and still win in a landslide....because the average Joe would know enough about Obama to spit him out like an old chaw.

567 Lizard by the Bay  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:12:16am

re: #561 Dizzy26

532 Lizard by the Bay

Watts is practically in the tank for Obama. He'll be his running mate before he'll be McCain's.

Got any real evidence of that 'in the tank for' stuff?

You mean, besides the man's own words?

568 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:12:32am

re: #548 adragonknowsbest

The womens vote was huge in those states (OH & PA). Hillary's support was high. Palin would make a huge difference in getting females 18 - 30 to vote republican. She's a charismatic, successful, powerful woman and would have this effect I am sure.

If you couldn't pick her out of a line up I suggest you google her. She's a bit of a hottie.

* * *
May you be right.

But average voters and undecideds aren't going to google a candidate.

569 FlakMusic  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:13:17am

re: #405 TN_Vol

I personally don't think people vote for a candidate because of their coice for Veep. However, in this case I think McCain may be a one termer and may need to set the table for 2012.

Exactly.

I like Palin a lot, but I think that Mitt, out of all the possibilities, is going to be the most credible understudy. McCain's VP choice is going to have more impact than usual, I think, simply because of his age and the likelihood that he's going to be a one termer.

In addition to economic smarts, Romney could, if allowed, bring some badly needed balls and backbone to McCain's campaign. Mitt will go after the Dems more aggressively, and, I think, more credibly than McCain.

570 faraway  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:13:44am
571 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:15:23am

re: #484 American Jewess In Jerusalem

He opposes abortion in cases of rape and incest. Whatever other merits he has, I would not vote for him because of this. It is simply too scary.

572 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:17:21am

re: #549 buzzsawmonkey

So I have heard. My son in law used to bike from Williamsburg to the city, but now he uses public transit. He is not a happy camper.

There is something so autocratic in Booberg...his way or the highway...no pun intended, especially when posting to the King! ;)

Do you think that he really wants to be Governor?

Compared to Paterson? I would be forced to vote Booberg, but not happily at all.

573 smaug6  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:17:28am

Janice Rogers Brown

574 vitamintom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:17:39am
575 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:17:41am
576 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:18:14am

#567 Lizard by the Bay

Thank you for that link. I KNEW JC Watts had said he'd consider voting for Obama.

That's why he should NEVER be McCain's VP choice.

577 davenp35  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:18:16am

McCain/Romney 08!

578 doubleplusundead  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:18:26am

re: #568 alegrias

* * *
May you be right.

But average voters and undecideds aren't going to google a candidate.

Which is why you do ads and meet&greets. I think that she'd be very good at generating buzz for herself if given national exposure.

579 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:18:53am

re: #531 alegrias

* * *
I couldn't pick her out in a line-up, and I'm a political junkie. What makes you think PA, OH or any other CONTINENTAL state would go for someone they've never heard of?

Nobody ever heard of Obama a short while ago.
They WILL hear about her. She's a potential ratings-grabber.
NO ONE can overcome the MSM's bias, but someone like Palin could get media attention. She's a story.

580 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:21:38am

#567 Lizard by the Bay

OK....that's good enough evidence for me...

nice point...
Palin sounds like a winner

581 red satellite  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:24:16am

Sarah Palin for VP? SWEET.

582 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:25:57am

Palin is our Governor. I voted for her and had a lot of respect for her until recently. She canned our Public Safety Commissioner, and it is hot news right now that the reason she did it is because Palin's sister was married to an Alaska State Trooper who has done a lot of questionable things. Palin and her husband Todd tried to get Commissioner Monegan to fire the Trooper and he wouldn't do it. The Commissioner ended up canned. You can read all about it at adn.com.

583 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:26:09am

re: #581 red satellite

Sarah Palin for VP? SWEET.

Must be windy in Alaska.

584 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:27:25am

re: #581 red satellite

that is a photoshopped picture. it is her face and glasses, but not her body. And she just had a baby in May, she named him Trig Paxson Val Palin. The baby has downs syndrome.

585 red satellite  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:28:37am

re: #583 Ford_Prefect

THANK YOU Alaska!

586 red satellite  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:29:53am

re: #584 Alaska Kim

I see. Thanks for the 411.

587 Alaska Kim  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:30:03am

I meant Trig Paxson Van Palin.

588 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:30:16am

Yanks 2 nuthin' in the 6th...

going for 10 straight! Go meat

589 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:30:43am
Gov. Sarah Palin wants bears DEAD


How can you not love a girl that the Lib's hate?!

590 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:32:01am

Here are 45 million reasons I think Mitt Romney will be the VP nominee:

[Link: www.boston.com...]

Romney is no fool with money.

Why would he do this? Just to be a good Republican soldier?

Anyone have any ideas?

591 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:32:20am

re: #588 Dizzy26

Yanks 2 nuthin' in the 6th...

going for 10 straight! Go meat

Phhhtttthhhhh!

592 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:32:25am
Barbarians for Sarah Palin


^^^
Priceless

593 imtoast  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:32:48am

re: #33 lifeofthemind

Rudy can't get it because of Bernie Kerick, pity because he'd burn things up. Lieberman is to old for this ticket I think. Not happy with Condoleeza but she may work. Would prefer Colin Powell to her I think.
Guess it is Palin or Romney.

I'm with you, though Sarah Palin may be the best of the two. I voted for Romney in the primaries, but the more I read about Mrs. Palin, the more I like her.

594 Quintus_Arius  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:33:19am

re: #484 American Jewess In Jerusalem

He opposes abortion in cases of rape and incest. Whatever other merits he has, I would not vote for him because of this. It is simply too scary.

That is wrong. I have heard Rudy speak. He opposes abortion but believes that a woman who chooses abortion should not be a criminal. Big difference. That is the law of the land. He was a very successful mayor and prosecutor. He views are from that perspective. He would appoint conservative judges.

Don't knee-jerk Rudy on abortion or gun control. It is way beyond a sound bite position. Before and after 9/11 Rudy's record was outstanding. He is the best conservative in the mix. Of course he was hated by NYC's liberal bleeding hearts. Al Sharpton comes to mind.

America needs this kind of leadership badly.

595 adragonknowsbest  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:34:15am

re: #589 Jed 1899

Sweet. I like her even more now. I wonder if she has a nice bear skin rug or maybe some nice slippers...made out fo the heads of baby seals :)

596 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:34:46am
597 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:35:46am

re Jed 1899 7/23/08

Gov. Sarah Palin wants bears DEAD

How can you not love a girl that the Lib's hate?!


Sounds like a winner!
waiting for the Palin link to download...(Dial-up and old 'puter)

598 de La Valette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:37:06am

Not hearing any mention of Pataki either?

599 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:39:24am

#598 de La Valette

There IS a G-d!

600 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:39:28am

re: #598 de La Valette,

Whatm, do you want to throw the South to Obama? Pataki is an awful choice. Thus, you hear nothing about him.

601 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:40:12am
602 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:40:53am

re: #268 smokin' hamster

Here, here!

How about that Hal Burton guy?

603 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:41:55am

re: #552 alegrias

President and vice president is serious business, and Hollywood & Madison avenue marketing folks don't run the world, thank heaven.

We've already got the UN in the USA to "representing" people on a superficial basis, and they aren't worth a bucket of warm spit.

Alegrias, at my age, the platform matters, even though it is not the best barometer, to put it mildly...but character trumps all, and integrity.

We haven't seen a lot of it in ages, but voting is a bit like gambling. But we cannot afford to make a sucker bet. Intuition helps, but darn it, so many flip flops. It seems that both Obama and McCain tailor their comments to the audience du jour. But in the end, McCain is the only choice that will even give our kids and grandkids the chance of a future.

I wonder how many voters in November will walk into the voting booth with a clothespin on their noses!

Yes, ads, etc., are the fuel that propels the campaign, and that is not how it was set up to be. We gave no money to any candidate this year, for the first time in years..and it is amazing how uncluttered the mail box is, and how many calls do not bother us on the phone..I am biting my tongue, as we have no idea what it will be like after the conventions.

One of my pet peeves is the stupid convention meme, especially the Demonrat dog and pony show with the not so super delegates.

To be honest? The cost could cover the budget of 3 small countries, and it was far more interesting in the days of the dark, smoky rooms!

I will have to keep vewwy, vewwy quiet re my feelings on the dis-united nations for fear of being [deleted], at the very least!

/Did you know that their anthem is 'Screw Israel, screw Israel'?

I am old and grumpy, and that's the way I like it!

604 littleO  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:45:27am

Let it be,
Let it be,
Let it be
Let it be.

Questions, he can answer, let it be, let it be,

He can bring some passion
To a party lost to fraction

Oh, can't you see,
can't you see John,

Romney, can be and answer.

If you'll only let it be!

Poor lyrics , but, true

605 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:45:54am

re: #540 djs713

Excuse me while a go barf. A lot of the Republican base will already be holding their nose while voting for McCain. Lindsey Graham will make them stay home.


You have that exactly right. The "bigot" comment he made will not soon be forgotten.

606 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:45:56am
I am old and grumpy, and that's the way I like it!


That's just the way I like ya too!
Coffee?I grind it meself :)

607 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #598 de La Valette

Not hearing any mention of Pataki either?

* * *
Pataki = ho hum loser.

608 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:48:59am

Pataki = RINO

609 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:50:10am

re: #570 faraway

Wow. Someone put together a great PALIN for VP clip

Well, except that it cites the Lewis Libby trial as an example of "Corruption In Washngton" and uses Tracy Chapman's "Talkin' 'bout A Revolution" as a soundtrack.

(That last makes about as much sense on a Republican program as the time I saw Florence Henderson sing John Lennon's "Imagine" on a closed-circuit fundraising benefit for Bush '41.)

610 de La Valette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:53:04am

If McCain has to defend the South using a VP - he is toast. He, John McCain, must WIN the South.

His VP should either attack a demographic or geographic bloc of electors/voter presumed to be going to Obama.

If the policies and views of Obama, and lets say it: "his personal qualities", don't get the Southern conservative vote (and the bitter Appalachian vote) into the polls, McCain will not win.

611 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #544 turn

[Link: gov.state.ak.us...]

Aha. Well, she cleans up nice. I'd like the name of that photographer. Maybe with a good pic, I could run!

Even in her dowdier appearances (which is perhaps better for a candidate anyway), she'd make a good candidate, but I think not a great one. But such are the times, I guess.

612 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:55:47am

re: #605 EC Marm

You have that exactly right. The "bigot" comment he made will not soon be forgotten.

He and McCain both.

613 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:57:50am

re: #596 taxfreekiller

Romney.

He understands facts, uses facts and will tell us, the facts.

Go with a known fact checker.

So, you like?

Good. Any enthusiasm for Romney, I like. Wish I had more myself.

614 barry the baptist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:59:03am

Mitt would be a nice choice. A true conservative.

John Bolton would be a great choice as sec of state. Would drive the left nuts.

Whatever happened to John Warner? He used to be an up and comer.

The Vice-presidential dont: Lindsey Graham would be a disaster.

615 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 11:59:37am

re: #610 de La Valette

If McCain has to defend the South using a VP - he is toast. He, John McCain, must WIN the South.

His VP should either attack a demographic or geographic bloc of electors/voter presumed to be going to Obama.

If the policies and views of Obama, and lets say it: "his personal qualities", don't get the Southern conservative vote (and the bitter Appalachian vote) into the polls, McCain will not win.

* * *
McCain has Mississippi & VA & Florida roots, and Haley Barbour and other southern governors, not to mention Mike Huckabee, will be campaigning ALL-OUT for McCain presumably.

616 Slumbering Behemoth  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:01:03pm

McCain/McClane 08!

I still want Mandy for WH Press Secretary. I refuse to let go of my dream of seeing her hurl a mic at Helen Thomas.

617 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:03:07pm

re: #132 Cato

Michael Steele
Joe Lieberman

This is the year of identity politics. Many Jews in Florida, NY and NJ, the turning of any one of which could hand the election to McCain, would think deeply about the Republican slate. Similarly, Blacks when given a choice to vote for a conservative black man would choose it because so many have conservative church values despite a liberal welfare state worldview. Steel could make the conservative argument without the leftists labeling it racist. Taking a fraction of the black vote away from Obama might be enough.

Unfortunately a few turned votes would do nothing to make up for the massive defection of conservatives if Lieberman was the nom.

618 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:05:23pm

re: #613 itellu3times

So, you like?

Good. Any enthusiasm for Romney, I like. Wish I had more myself.

* * *
Romney wants to win the war against terrorists. Romney has chutzpah--as governor of Massachusetts, he said he would electronically bug mosques if they were fomenting violence.

Romney loves his country and fought off corrupt international thugs running the Olympics, to deliver a cleaned up, safe, patriotic Salt Lake City winter Olympic event just 4 months after we were attacked on 9/11. To pull that off during the War was amazing, and if you missed the opening ceremony with the NY firemen or policemen escorting the US flag from the World Trade Center into the olympic arena, as an American you owe it to yourself.

619 alegrias  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:06:34pm

re: #614 barry the baptist

Mitt would be a nice choice. A true conservative.

John Bolton would be a great choice as sec of state. Would drive the left nuts.

Whatever happened to John Warner? He used to be an up and comer.

The Vice-presidential dont: Lindsey Graham would be a disaster.

* * *
John Warner's 81 and lying in a hospital. Virginia Senator John Warner went wobbly a while back.

620 FlakMusic  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:07:55pm

re: #590 Florida Lady

Romney is no fool with money.

Why would he do this? Just to be a good Republican soldier?

Anyone have any ideas?

Romney has already demonstrated he's a good soldier. He's done fundraising and appearances with McCain out West. IMHO he's decided he's going to in the game for the long term, positioning himself for 2012 at the very least. If he's chosen he'd be fully on board, I think.

621 FlakMusic  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:09:20pm

Warner is one of the boobs proposing a reinstatement of the 55mph speed limit. Game over.

622 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:10:16pm

re: #610 de La Valette,

I can't think of a better way to tell the Base to go piss up a rope than to put Pataki as VP. I've said it before, but it obviously needs repeating: the Base can and will stay home, if McCain pisses them off sufficiently.

Just McCain is a lot to swallow. His amnasty bill is a no-go for the Base. We'll vote for him over Obama, but only because we hate Obama. Many people have commented on the importance of McCain's VP for various reasons. Number one should be "reach out to the base". As I said earlier, you win the Presidency by holding the Base" and appealing to the middle. McCain appeals to the middle enough in his own right (some would say too much).

He doesn't seem too interested in holding the Base. This may cost him the election. Certainly picking a Left-wing "Republican" as his VP will cost him the election. The Base will simply stay home.

623 DocMartyn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:14:23pm

Condi would be the best choice by far. I also think you forget the nature of advice that different departments of state should give the President. You expect the diplomatic corp to act diplomatically, whereas the NSA will suggest other options.

624 Thanos  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:15:07pm

While everyone's juggling who's going to be Veep, one factor often overlooked is this:
If you pull a senator, governor, or congressman, how red is their position? Meaning are we putting a Republican seat in jeopardy where we shouldn't with any of these picks?

625 Mardukhai  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:15:57pm

Joe Lieberman -- for good reason: The cross-over and PUMA ("party unity my ass") vote.

626 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:16:32pm

Don't know if it's been said in the thread, but I would dream of Colin Powel. That could actually win it. Though to be honest, I doubt Powel would ever run.

627 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:17:52pm

#620 Flak Music

But that's my point. Those are very expensive dues for a merely "good Republican foot soldier" to make.

If Romney weren't going to be the VP nominee, couldn't he continue to raise $ to pay off that $45 million long after this election cycle is over?

628 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:18:03pm

Powell's a lefty joke

629 Dizzy26  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:19:54pm

If Obama had part of a brain, he'd pick Powell, and Powell would happily oblige him

Gawd what a joke that would be

630 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:25:51pm
631 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:28:21pm

re: #623 DocMartyn

Condi *spit* is a Jew hater and an Israel basher. I do not think that John McCain would be stupid enough to even consider her. State Dept. wonks do not make good candidates.

She can get stuffed.

632 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:30:31pm

re: #630 buzzsawmonkey

Now there's a campaign tschotchke that would be a WINNER!

Clothespins imprinted with "McCain" to be handed out "for use on voting day."

Want to get it patented? ;) Can you picture it?

You can have rights to the concession.

633 freedombilly  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:31:13pm

As a couple of others have said down thread, Michael Steele would be a great choice. But there is no way in hell McCain is winning this election (I hope I'm wrong) and Steele has bigger fish to fry than being a VP on a losing ticket at such a young age.

634 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:31:59pm

#630 buzzsawmonkey

Yeah, Michelle Malkin has something similar on her website:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

Also these:

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

They'd both be funny if this election weren't so downright scary . . .

635 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:34:15pm

Whoops, second link not working.

Here: [Link: michellemalkin.com...]

636 LudwigVanQuixote  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:50:10pm

My reason for saying Powell is that I want McCain to win. Republicans are taking a real bashing. They have no hope of winning without the swing vote. I do not see anyone further to the right of McCain helping his cause as a running mate.

On the flip side, however much the Republican base will pinch it's nose, it will likely vote for a McCain/*anyone* ticket over Obama/*anyone*.

Powell has clout with the moderates.

637 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:53:29pm
638 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 12:58:49pm

re: #118 DisturbedEma

They're just not used to seeing uncovered meat there...

639 ellem  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:01:18pm

Jean Claude Van Damme

640 grahamski  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:13:48pm

He will most likely pick Romney...
But since I am against the oligarchy, and am not one of the sheeple, I would say Ron Paul.

641 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:15:55pm

re: #637 Jed 1899

Newt says pick Palin.....

Alas, Newt is right about the energy emitted by and accruing to Obama. Obama is rather like the whirlpool that Odysseus had to navigate between Scylla and Carbydis, and only by plugging the ears can the sailors safely pass. But tens of millions have left their ears unstopped and have listened slack-jawed to his siren's song.

So, yes, McCain's VP will have to glitter with some kind of charisma, for venerable McCain himself, although the wise know that he is the wiser choice, will not easily prevail in a democracy, which is not the government of the wise.

642 ladycatnip  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:23:20pm

#641 ContraJihadi

. . . Obama is rather like the whirlpool that Odysseus had to navigate between Scylla and Carbydis, and only by plugging the ears can the sailors safely pass. But tens of millions have left their ears unstopped and have listened slack-jawed to his siren's song.

Perfect comparison. I worry about those tens of millions on election day.

643 strandedsf  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:24:43pm

I like Eric Cantor and Sarah Palin for Veep, in that order.

644 dingleB  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:29:01pm

I haven't checked all the posts, but how about Meg Whitman? Ten years as CEO of Ebay is a great story versus "community organizing".

645 Student of Objectivism  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:31:43pm

My answer is: Do not vote for McCain. Period. He is no good.

646 ladycatnip  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:33:25pm

Months ago I would have suggested Condi Rice, but her comments and capitulation to the palestinians is repugnant. Is there a young, charismatic, telegenic, quick-on-his/her-feet, intelligent, well-spoken republican anywhere that compares to Zel Miller?

Michael Steele would be a good pick, but even better would be Joe Lieberman - if he's willing to step across the aisle.

McCain has been so buddy-buddy with Hilary, it would be hysterical if they were running mates. I find Herself to be equally repugnant, but I'd vote for her if it were a choice of Obama and Hillary.

647 ContraJihadi  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:38:30pm

re: #645 Student of Objectivism

My answer is: Do not vote for McCain. Period. He is no good.

You prefer an Obama presidency? The virtuoso of subjective whims? Tell me, is Obama a muscle-mystic or a spirit-mystic?

Reality: only one of two, McCain or Obama, will become president (baring the sudden death or incarceration of either one or both). This is NOT Galt's Gulch, but if you ever find it, by all means hide away there.

648 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:40:26pm

Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine
Gov. Linda Lingle of Hawaii

649 silversmith  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:41:43pm

If the election were today, it would have to be either Joe Leiberman or Rudy...but he should maybe get Bill Clinton or Hillary.

650 Thanos  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:41:56pm

BTW: I autoding anyone who uses the term "sheeple" when I notice it.

651 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:43:52pm

re: #650 Thanos

Bless you, Thanos...a voice of reason.

652 code red 21  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 1:55:27pm

Anybody but Huckabee the huckster.

653 de La Valette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:08:17pm

re: #644 dingleB

Only two voices in the wilderness

654 Matt JM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:12:52pm

Rudy.

I am a conservative and I know that the whole of conservativedom will be enraged and threaten to not vote and all, but at some point, are we going to ask ourselves "What is better for the country? Obama/Hillary/Biden or McCain/Rudy?" Sometimes, we can't have it all.

Conservatives need to manage their own morale on this one and realize that essentially blackmailing the GOP because we don't exactly everything we want is only going to lead to a loss and get us EVERYTHING we don't want.

I'd be happy with Romney, too.

655 Korla Pundit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:16:01pm

I vote for Rudy. I wish the backroom deals and the dem sabotage of the primaries hadn't derailed his bid for the nomination. But McCain's age and health are an issue, and we have to go in with the assumption that a VP choice may turn into a Presidential position.

Rudy has the tenacity to fight the war, just as he was able to destroy the Mafia. The "teflon don" John Gotti could attest to that from his cell in hades.

He is also not afraid to offend "our friends the Saudis," having ripped up that blood money check from the man who is now the King of Saudi Arabia, and having kicked Arafat out of Carnegie Hall.

He also proved his executive chops by bringing New York City, with a population and government the size of a small country, back from the brink of the Dinkins days, when many had given up on NYC.

He doesn't need a teleprompter, and had the good sense to lose the comb-over.

All his skeletons have already been exposed, and the market has already factored that all in.

Rudy is a leader, and I think we may need another T. Roosevelt in the VP spot this time around.

656 Sifty  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:18:23pm

Jackie Browles.

657 Jed 1899  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:21:43pm

re: #655 Korla Pundit
Rudy openly dislikes guns.I also feel he would lie where the truth would suffice.

658 wintercat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:22:15pm

re: #655 Korla Pundit

And all of these reasons are why I voted for him in the primary. But I don't think that he can help the McCain ticket in the way it needs to be helped.

BTW, I would love to see him in given a role in the President's Cabinet.

659 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:23:40pm

re: #633 freedombilly

As a couple of others have said down thread, Michael Steele would be a great choice. But there is no way in hell McCain is winning this election (I hope I'm wrong) and Steele has bigger fish to fry than being a VP on a losing ticket at such a young age.

Not sure why you're so negative. Look at history. Read about McGovern and Carter (term2). Those were slam dunks. (according to the press). Other names to consider Mondale, Kerry, Dukakis, Gore. (All were said to be sure things by the pollsters.)


re: #636 LudwigVanQuixote

My reason for saying Powell is that I want McCain to win. Republicans are taking a real bashing. They have no hope of winning without the swing vote. I do not see anyone further to the right of McCain helping his cause as a running mate.

On the flip side, however much the Republican base will pinch it's nose, it will likely vote for a McCain/*anyone* ticket over Obama/*anyone*.

Powell has clout with the moderates.

I don't think the moderates are a important as we've been led to believe. Everything I've seen lately is that people want a more conservative tone to the republican party than what they've been hearing. I don't think we can win by being our opponents.

660 dingleB  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:23:41pm

re: #653 de La Valette

Too bad, in alot of ways she has more credentials than Mitt in the business world. I have to say if I was worth 1.4 billion, I wouldn't be running for any office.

661 Avery Bullard  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:28:16pm

Tom Ridge of Pa.

662 Avery Bullard  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:28:42pm

Charles Johnson

663 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:33:31pm

re: #640 grahamski

He will most likely pick Romney...
But since I am against the oligarchy, and am not one of the sheeple, I would say Ron Paul.

Paulbot much?

664 yesandno  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:44:26pm

While discussing all of this, I find it strange that we all have an opinion on who would make McCain more palatable as President and hoping that in the VP selection, we will have a more qualified candidate being groomed for 2012....this is so sad.

Don't think there is someone who can make McCain more palatable....the only one who can do it is Obama....he would make almost anyone a better prospect at being a better President.

I have to decide on McCain based more upon his opponent then his running mate. McCain hasn't shown much relative to "listening" to views of his own party. Doubt a VP will change that.

That said, Sanford is great. Palin is great. Romney is great. Jindal is too young yet. Thompson is great. All could handle the office in their own right. Rice is unqualified....you have to understand, that both Obama and McCain are Senators...neither with governmental executive experience. The person selected for VP will no doubt have Gubernatorial experience. No Representatives, no Senators in this mix.

On the other hand, I have always like John Kasich....

665 snowcrash  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:58:34pm

Longshot-Marsha Blackburn TN congresscritter or Jim DeMint S.C Sen
More probable-Charlie Crist or Haley Barbour.

666 dhg4  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:08:42pm

re: #285 quickjustice

I know a female lawyer who argued a case to the U.S. Supreme Court a day after giving birth, so I'd back off on the assertion that giving birth is disqualifying.

If that were my only objection to Palin I might grant you that. (I still think there's a difference between a short term change of venue and a long one.) But experience is an issue; she hasn't yet served a complete term at her job.

But I didn't just mean that she just gave birth. She has young children. I can't believe that right now she (and her husband) are anxious to uproot the family to an alien environment. I'd make the same argument if it were her husband who was the governor.

667 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:16:46pm

Way to late, but I hate to see the count at 666. I think Romney or Jindell(SP)? would be excellent choices.

668 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:23:41pm

re: #304 Iron Fist

Rudy's baggage kills him with the core base. Kills him dead. The base is where McCain needs the support. ....

F*** the base. The "base" is what got us McCain and the base is what will get Obama elected.

669 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:24:43pm

re: #11 littleoldlady

would be nice to have a MILF as VPOTUS.

I am just kidding hehe

i would say joe lieberman or rudy AND WATCH THE ISLMIC HEADS EXPLODE.

670 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:27:59pm

re: #645 Student of Objectivism

My answer is: Do not vote for McCain. Period. He is no good.

I WILL BE BURNING MY COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED
SOUNDS LIKE A IDIOTATARIAN TO ME.

671 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:29:59pm

1. Rudy Giuliani
2. Sarah Palin (drilling in ANWR!)
3. Marsha Blackburn
4. Mitt Romney

672 Peter Verkooijen  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:35:20pm

re: #670 yochanan

I WILL BE BURNING MY COPY OF ATLAS SHRUGGED
SOUNDS LIKE A IDIOTATARIAN TO ME.

Most Ayn Rand followers (like Ron Paulians and libertarians) are former leftists who have just discovered the principles of real classic liberalism and capitalism. They're very possessive about it and lack perspective.

I have been there...

673 Memphis  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:35:38pm

McCain / Lieberman '08

I've had this bumpersticker on my car for a couple of months now (Google the two names and "bumper sticker" to find the vendor).
Joe has already proven he will hit Obama hard and this might just be the year for a bi-partisan ticket if we want McCain to win. Also, they clearly work well together.

Alternate: Rep Sue Myrick, the anit-jihad warrior!

674 AbeReason  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:16:24pm

Robert Zubrin for Vice President with McCain. Or even President, on the basis of his book, "Energy Victory.

675 bluetick3  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:32:09pm

#671 et al

1. Rudy Giuliani 2. Sarah Palin (drilling in ANWR!) 3. Marsha Blackburn 4. Mitt Romney

I'm chiming in late. . . Congressman Blackburn would be a compelling conservative choice. Unfortunately, she has some alleged baggage that could make her detrimental as a candidate. A popular local elected official in Shelby County, Tennessee is running against her right now and the race is a bit ugly. Her core support is arguably not in Shelby County/Southwest Tennessee, but in the other side of her district in the northern part of middle Tennessee.

Leading up to and during this race, reports have surfaced about supposedly large sums paid out of campaign to her daughter for campaign work. Other reports had something to do with her son-in-law (IIRC) or some other sort of relative who is a Congressional lobbyist. I haven't paid much attention to any of it because she has been a good representative, fought for legislation that has saved me fists full of money on taxes, and so forth. I believe she is an honorable person, but I believe the left could do a lot of damage to the McCain ticket if her chooses her.

She has raised a lot of money though and should easily win her house seat, which is a good thing IMHO.

676 akforty777  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:53:05pm

I like Mitt

677 USASupport  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:20:33pm

Even if McCain picks Mitt or Palin, I still could not vote for him. In 2012 I would ardently support Mitt and Palin with a passion though, and if something happens to McCain I would definitely support one of those 2 as well.

678 ak47_rus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:49:00pm

i like pawlenty he is very conservative and was really good in minnesota/ people in midwest love him

679 rustynail  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:54:12pm

re: #38 sattv4u2

latest odds from SATTV4U2

MITT 45% (if not, how about Sec of Commerce0
RUDY 25% (perhaps saving him for AG or Homeland Security)
PAWLENTY 20% (the negative is his lack of name recognition)
JINDAL 10% (too young and inexperienced which we want to use against Obama but mentioning his name gives him a boost for 2012)


I'm not sure on what you base your opinion that Bobby Jindal is inexperienced, but I'd remind you that he was appointed secretary of the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals, taking the state's bankrupt Medicaid program from a $400 million deficit to a $220 million surplus. He also served as president of the University of Louisiana System. During the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, he orchestrated a national emergency system of volunteers, faith-based agencies, retail providers and truckers to donate and deliver supplies to the drenched and homeless. (Kathleen Parker, [Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

I'd say that he has more than demonstrated his competence in executive missions.

The real question is whether he should take the position.

I have already gone on record that if he was on the ticket, I would consider voting for McCain, otherwise, not!

The only questions are whether Louisiana can afford to lose him and whether a run at a later date would be better for the country.

680 ak47_rus  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:57:03pm

hmm i thought we all decided that we will vote for mccain. I bet socialists for obama love to seeing that conservatives wont vote for mccain no matter what

681 Liberandos  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:57:51pm

Richard B. Cheney!

682 Obsidiandog  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:02:42pm

Romney. Jindal has been flirting with ID so he's out.

683 hermeneutics  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:31:13pm

There's lots of talk about Pawlenty today.

Though he's from Minnesota, I don't think he can swing it to R. He's young and homespun. Seemed to have few skeletons in his closet. Evangelical. Married. Very local -- grew up in Minn, went to college/grad school in Mn, lives in Mn -- he's all Minnesota, all the time.

But ... in 2002 he won with only 44 percent of the vote.
In 2004 he took 47 percent of the vote and almost lost to the Dem challenger as an Incumbent.

This doesn't sound too good.

684 Sloppy  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:03:52pm

If she'd overcome her natural reticence and learn how to throw a punch, I'd pick our Mandy in a minute.

685 ShortBald&Potbellied  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:22:33pm

re: #58 JammieWearingFool

Carly Fiorina?

ABSOLUTELY NOT! She almost destroyed Hewlett Packard.

My vote is for Sarah Palin or Michael Steele.

686 ShortBald&Potbellied  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:25:17pm

re: #68 Iron Fist

JC Watts. I always expected him to be the first black President, really. He doesn't appear to want it, but I think he'd answer if his country called.

You know, I'd forgotten about JC. He'd be an excellent choice as well.

687 ShortBald&Potbellied  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:29:32pm

re: #85 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

in this case, the question is "who do we want to run in 2012?"

Fred Thompson, although I was a little torqued that he pulled the ripcord before Super Tuesday. Rumor had it that there were some serious family problems that helped make that decision for him, though.

688 Florida Lady  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:30:24pm

#686 ShortBald&Potbellied

You'd probably reconsider after reading this:

[Link: www.blognetnews.com...]

689 Yointer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:46:36pm

I suggest he consider Senator Susan Collins (R-Maine). She is fiscally conservative, socially liberal, from one swing state and next-door to another, and she is a white woman. That all adds up to a pile of centrist and former Clinton votes for McCain-Collins. Social conservatives will fall in line behind the ticket when the alternative is an Obama presidency.

690 AverageCdn  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:18:46pm

I suggest Dennis Prager or Lou Dobbs. But then again, I'm a canuck, so my point doesn't count for a fiddlers foolin'.

As someone who read deeply about Trudeaumania, I can't believe I'm seeing it live with Obamamania.

If what comes around goes around, I think we should destroy polyester leisure suits just to be safe.

691 UncleSam  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:32:29pm

Ted Nugent or John Bolton, either of whom would scare the hell out the Islamists.
And the homegrown Marxists.

692 USASupport  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 8:58:06pm

I say I don't like McCain, and I like Romney and Palin like others here also said and I was down-dinged?

693 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:41:33pm

re: #564 Iron Fist

Abortion is not "my issue," Iron. But forced pregnancy and birth after RAPE and incest IS an issue for me, and should be for you too, that is, if you love any women in your life.

694 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:44:56pm

re: #594 Quintus_Arius

That is wrong. I have heard Rudy speak. He opposes abortion but believes that a woman who chooses abortion should not be a criminal. Big difference. That is the law of the land. He was a very successful mayor and prosecutor. He views are from that perspective. He would appoint conservative judges.

Don't knee-jerk Rudy on abortion or gun control. It is way beyond a sound bite position. Before and after 9/11 Rudy's record was outstanding. He is the best conservative in the mix. Of course he was hated by NYC's liberal bleeding hearts. Al Sharpton comes to mind.

America needs this kind of leadership badly.


Sorry Quintus, I should have put a name in there. We were talking about Michael Steele, not Rudy.

I'm conservative on abortion and have no problem with a conservative on that issue, until they start talking crazy, like forcing rape victims to bear their rapist's baby. Then I feel I'm no longer dealing with someone I can trust to do the right thing.

695 someone  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:45:54pm

re: #687 ShortBald&Potbellied

Fred Thompson, although I was a little torqued that he pulled the ripcord before Super Tuesday. Rumor had it that there were some serious family problems that helped make that decision for him, though.


Family problems?

696 King of Hearts  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:07pm

I say Barney Fife

697 Sheridan8  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:48:58pm

ROMNEY! I wanted Romney as my president, but since McCain won that opportunity, I submit my simple request to have a non-Washingtonian businessman as our VP.

698 King of Hearts  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 9:50:22pm

Floyd could be the press secretary

699 ParanoidPyro  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 10:40:26pm

Gotta be a Maryland homer and go with my man Michael Steele, who as a true conservative would do wonders in motivating the base.

700 Tamron  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 5:06:23am

re: #582 Alaska Kim

Palin is our Governor. I voted for her and had a lot of respect for her until recently. She canned our Public Safety Commissioner, and it is hot news right now that the reason she did it is because Palin's sister was married to an Alaska State Trooper who has done a lot of questionable things. Palin and her husband Todd tried to get Commissioner Monegan to fire the Trooper and he wouldn't do it. The Commissioner ended up canned. You can read all about it at adn.com.

Uhhh... Kim, exactly what is your point? Sarah fired Monegan's ass, fair and square. She's just being a good, strong leader, and Monegan didn't want to be a team player. There are other people out there who are qualified for the Public Safety Commissioner job. The Commissioner didn't do his job, so Sarah put someone in place who WILL. Unless your last name is Monegan, what's so hard to understand about that?

You neglected to mention that the State Trooper in question was witnessed drinking while driving his patrol car, tasering his 11-year-old kid just to show him what it was like, and threatening Sarah's dad with "Eating an F....'ing bullet", among other things. He's truly a rotten apple.

(By the way, that's NOT a photoshopped VOGUE picture of Sarah Palin. Take a look at THIS website, for more of the same. Eat your heart out.)

Since taking over the Alaska Governor's office, Sarah has been consistently practicing ethical reform statewide, and her approval ratings here are above 80%. Personally I hope Sarah ignores the Washington dog-and-pony show, because Washington would only turn her into a regular politician.
.

701 Equifax  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 5:20:02am

Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin, Sarah Palin.

702 Korla Pundit  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 7:10:05am

How about Ann Althouse. Then she wouldn't be voting for Obama after all!

703 grahamski  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 8:33:04am

re: #692 USASupport

Watch out for the sheep!....LMAO

704 canadianconservative  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 8:36:31am

I would say the majority of lizards areon the same page as i am, to wit either Romney or Palin, with Rudy & Bolton in cabinet.....

Romney is good because he is currently NOT an incumbent whose departure from that office would either put A Democrat in (as Jindal's departure, now moot, would have put Louisiana in Mary landrieu's brother's Dem hands) or weaken an incumbent Senator's chances of re-elelction in a really bad year.
If Palin walked, even though ted Stevens may be way past his best before date, might that not give an edge to Begich and the Dems?
And if Pawlenty walked, how would that affect Coleman's chances ?
Romney, if talk radio is any indication WILL energize the 'base", and he is also a household name, with a track record as a governor and in private business.
He also understands the stakes viz the Islamic/Russian gambit currently underway.
He would help deliver Michigan(17 EC votes), and might flip Nevada (5 EC votes), Oregon (7 EC votes),NH (4 EC votes) and Colorado (9 EC votes) back to the GOP column.
Palin? Alaska's 9(and its 3 EC votes) safe for the GOP, but she might solidify McCain in PA(21) and OH (20) with some of the HRC supporters who cringe at Obama.
the fact that Rendell has taken himself out of the running tells me the Dems are worried about PA.
neither Palin Nor Pawlenty would leave their own office to Dems, as both Lt. Govs. are GOP.
Pawlenty is little known outside of MN, which is unlkely to flip to the GOp anyway. Palin would give an opportunity for disgruntled Clintonistas who want a woman in high office , which is a very strong point. But since we're down to the wire, a known and respected (and the money wouldn't hurt either!) conservative who is fully on board, would help the ticket save the country from the disaster that awaits if Obama is elected:
My view? Obama is the second coming of carter, and Iran (and its puppetmaster putin) are praying that Obama wins, so they can make
a move on Israel. By taking Israel out, i think Putin is hoping that he can beat China to hegemony in the middle east, and thus control the world's oil. Ptin knows that if Iran hits israel, Israel will hit back, and thus Russia could move south again, (ostesibly to "stabilize" the region) , retake its oil rich "stans", and Iran along with it... and if they can get the Saudis on their payroll as well, they control most of the world's oil. And they get their long sought after southern ports, and an immeasurable hand up on China.

Judges aside, an important issue in itself, the above scenario is what's REALLY at stake.

705 Korla Pundit  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 8:59:17am

>He would help deliver Michigan(17 EC votes), and might flip Nevada (5 EC votes), Oregon (7 EC votes),NH (4 EC votes) and Colorado (9 EC votes) back to the GOP column.

Heck, Rudy could help deliver New York and New Jersey where he is very popular, which combine into 46 EC votes. That alone would make him a good choice.

706 jordash1212  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 9:57:39am

Joe Lieberman.

707 D. Lapin  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 2:44:19pm

Romney is unelectable. He spent a huge amount of money in the primaries and has nothing to show for it. He is too polarizing, to opportunistic seeming, and doesn't have the ability to draw votes away from Obama.

708 aaron's rantblog  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 5:28:21pm

re: #127 dhg4

I understand the appeal of Palin, but she just gave birth to her fifth child. She's not leaving Alaska. Also the one way to lose the "experience" issue is to select a newcomer who hasn't finished her first term in statewide office.

Palin's governed. She's been an executive for MUCH longer than Obamessiah's was ever a Senator.

You can't become a manager at K-Mart with so few days of experience, and Obama wants to be the President?

Palin could siphon to the GOP soccer moms and anti-abortion Catholics who typically vote Democrat.

709 aaron's rantblog  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 5:47:53pm

McCain-Palin

Palin WILL bring in women who wanted Hillary over Barack.

710 AReadyRepub  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 7:49:15pm

Yup! I think Romney is our only choice but is he an old white mostly boring guy courtesy of Newt?

711 ShortBald&Potbellied  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 8:30:00pm

re: #688 Florida Lady

You're right. I reconsidered and hereby vacate my #686.

712 ShortBald&Potbellied  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 8:33:58pm

re: #695 someone

Yeah. There was some unconfirmed reports that his mother was in a bad way medically and he had to make a choice between spending time with her or spending time campaigning. He chose her.

If true, there's a lot to be said for that.

713 freedombilly  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 11:26:54pm

re: #659 Mars Needs Neocons

My negativity comes not from the MSM's opinion of St. Barack but my complete lack of confidence in McCain.


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