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Holocaust Denial at YouTube

Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 2:35:40 pm PDT

Jihad videos? Yep, YouTube’s got ’em. Crackpot 9/11 Troofers? Yep, YouTube’s got ’em. Lots of ’em.

Holocaust deniers? YouTube - RevisionistsRus’s Videos.

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1 Shug  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:37:29pm

His most popular Video is titled : A Jew Defends Hitler.
24,000 views.

Yeah, looks like youtube is really policing these types of things.
/

2 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:38:27pm

Why is this surprising?

Everything is on YouTube.

Well, except nipple, of course.

3 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:38:32pm

Search YouTube for 10 minutes and you will find they have everything....the worst of the worst.....(and the best of the best)

4 jemima  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:39:19pm

The Holocaust must have caused insanity. Some Jews just can't get their minds to accept the reality.

5 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:41:10pm

Oh for a time machine, transport these tools to the line just outside the showers.

6 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:42:11pm

It isn't just Youtube...AOL too

7 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:43:28pm

re: #2 Ben Hur

Nipplegate?

8 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:44:44pm

I am afraid until we master the art of seething and whining, like you-know-who, this sort of crap will continue to be aired.

9 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:45:01pm

Well, I used my youtube account to flag this mental midget. If we're lucky we can get his account suspended.

10 Neo Con since 9-11  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:47:21pm

Good lord all his videos are rated 4.5-5 stars. People are actually voting this creep up.

11 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:48:11pm

re: #7 hans ze beeman

Christina Nipplegate?

12 markie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:48:51pm

re: #5 jcm

Oh for a time machine, transport these tools to the line just outside the showers.

"Nechst!"

13 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:48:59pm

re: #8 A Kiwi Infidel

You simply have to create the impression that you are permanently offended by everything. This state of affairs will help you to advance your agenda with YouTube etc., because you know, they really don't want to irritate easily-irritated people.

14 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:49:36pm

re: #10 Neo Con since 9-11

Come on....say it....say exactly what the people of Germany said before and the World said after the Holocaust.

"I can't believe that in our educated, and highly advanced society, where Jews are so assimilated into the fabric of our Country, that this type of Anti-Semitism could exist."

~When we forget...He reminds us.

15 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:49:37pm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

I didn't know she changed business

16 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:50:33pm

re: #2 Ben Hur

Why is this surprising?

Everything is on YouTube.

Well, except nipple, of course.

Yeah that's on Redtu... uh, somewhere else ...so I've heard.

17 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:50:40pm

re: #15 hans ze beeman

Yes the new one is much more titalating

18 Kaitian868  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:51:13pm

Google: We Allow Anything As Long It Doesn't Harm Google!

19 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:51:45pm

re: #11 WrathofG-d

Christina Nipplegate?


Did she?

20 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:51:55pm

Youtube adheres to the Google ideology - do no harm, where "harm" is defined as upsetting the delicate multicultural balance between normal people and murderous jihadi scum by censoring the latter.

21 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:52:19pm

So- lets go to his video, and "burn" him- zero or one star to knock him down!

22 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:52:37pm

re: #16 Dar ul Harb

Yeah that's on Redtu... uh, somewhere else ...so I've heard.

Yeah, right, read that teleprompter...........

23 vapig  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:53:14pm

They pretty much put anything on as long as it's not critical of islam.

24 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:53:40pm

re: #14 WrathofG-d

Did not Hitler have a campaign slogan of "Change" also? I Like Bush Sr. said- "Stay the Course"!

25 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:54:21pm

re: #24 LEGION

Dont know about Hitler, but I believe Carter did.

Obam'uh is NOT like Hitler though!

26 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:55:49pm

re: #25 WrathofG-d

Dont know about Hitler, but I believe Carter did.

Obam'uh is NOT like Hitler though!


BHO is so into "change" he is like a Chameleon, he could morph into anything, and thats a worry.

27 pat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:55:57pm

However You Tube found Michelle Malkin's political thought to be hate speech.

28 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:56:12pm

Iranian Pres. Yabba Dabba Do (Amajidiad- whatever) had the "Change" Slogan also.

29 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:56:15pm

It would be a nice idea to invent a religion that has an aversion to wearing socks. Seriously, just produce some old documents of the holy religion of the saint shoe, where wearing socks is seen as the grandest blasphemy to the Great Shoe. And then make people remove their socks because thesy insult your religion. It would work (with a less silly example).

/Seriously, presenting yourself as an offended person, mixing some religious "stuff" into the whole thing, will really advance the silliest agendas.

In Britain, police dogs now have to wear special shoes in order to not offend Muslims.

30 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:57:07pm

re: #25 WrathofG-d

Hitler had a moustache.

31 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:57:43pm

I searched for SAMISDAT video and among the items found was this, described as Ernst Zundel's first video in 3 parts.Made in 1981 ... tells you everything you need to know: Samisdat, the maker of the film is a ...

And it's also posted by RevisionistsRus - anti-german propaganda 1 of 3

It includes some personal commentary by Ernst Zundel. The guy is an apologist for Germany and for Hitler and the Nazis, and not in the sense of I'm sorry.

32 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:58:07pm

I love socks! Slight save from damage to bumping into things- stops rub burns in shoes, ect.

33 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:58:08pm

re: #26 A Kiwi Infidel

The Change is to place him as the Anti-Bush. (which since some say Bush ran as the Christ figure....it opens an interesting conversation). This is the Change.

He is simply (as I take it) saying that Bush is the bad, and he will Change it from Bush. Since "everyone" hates Bush it is a hollow yet perfect campaign slogan. It has the added benefit of putting anyone that isn't Obam'uh into the No-Change camp, and thus the Just-Like-Bush camp. The fact that change is enivitable, as Bush isnt' running again, is pretty helfpul too.

34 razorbacker  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:58:57pm

re: #25 WrathofG-d

Dont know about Hitler, but I believe Carter did.

Obam'uh is NOT like Hitler though!

I'll say. Hitler didn't uh, ummm, errrr, and ya know through his rants. His rants flowed.seriously though, you can't compare Obama to Hitler. Yet.

35 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:59:09pm

re: #29 hans ze beeman

Britain is destroyed. I wrote them off years ago- so did two of my neighbors who escaped from there. Phhttt.

36 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 2:59:20pm

re: #29 hans ze beeman


And worse, you cant even advertise your local copper with a cutsie wee puppy in the poster or the seething begins.......what a pack of dhimmis

37 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:00:21pm

Obama will be Jimmuah Carter's second term- get those sweaters on or start knitting them in the gas lines!

38 A Kiwi Infidel  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:01:00pm

re: #30 hans ze beeman

Hitler had a moustache facial smudge.

fixed,

see Mugabe has followed suit, seez alot.

39 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:01:04pm

re: #36 A Kiwi Infidel

This was Scottland too- you'd think they'd still have a pair- be the last to submit- nah.

40 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:02:08pm

Charles, if you like Lucinda Williams, check out the Silver Jews - they even have Jew Fu shirts!

41 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:02:18pm

re: #37 LEGION

Obama will be Jimmuah Carter's second term- get those sweaters on or start knitting them in the gas lines!

Pfffttt. Obama will make us pine for the good old days when Rabbit Bait in a cardigan told us America was in decline and we needed to reign in our appetites.

42 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:02:36pm

re: #9 BlueCanuck

Well, I used my youtube account to flag this mental midget. If we're lucky we can get his account suspended.

I could be wrong, but RevisionistsRus may be just exposing this stuff, not promoting it.

43 mossley  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:04:41pm

I can't say that I'm surprised. There's no way to review these things for content automatically, and there's far too many of them to be previewed before they're allowed online. People always find a way to exploit a weakness.

The entire concept of Web 2.0, with user-generated content replacing professionally prepared materials, was a disaster waiting to happen. It's an idea that sounds good in theory, as long as you ignore human nature. (The fatal flaw of so many leftist goals.) It never considers the potential for abuse, whether by hate groups to spread their propaganda, or by ideologues spreading their views. It's why YouTube is a cesspool and why so many articles in Wiki are biased.

44 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:05:29pm

re: #41 jcm

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Report on Jimmy and the wabbit.

45 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:06:02pm

Why should YOUtube (caps re-arranged deliberately) police anything. The name says it all -- YOU.

YOU "tube" your stuff here.
YOU "tube" your ego here.
YOU "tube" your gratification here.
YOU "tube" whateverthehell you want here.
YOU YOU YOU YOU

Folks, this is the World Wide Wetdream. This is the Web at its near-to-hedonistic best. (It has to bow to MasturbatorySp ... oops ... MySpace in that department.)

Don't expect great character traits from anything which makes money by providing a way for people to gratify themselves.

/rant off (maybe)

46 LEGION  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:07:52pm

re: #45 pre-Boomer Marine brat

You You You You You- by the 6ths

[Link: answers.yahoo.com...]

47 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:09:35pm

re: #44 LEGION

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Report on Jimmy and the wabbit.

Exactly the source of what I call him...

48 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:10:51pm

re: #31 abolitionist

Zundel is a Neo-nazi of the worst kind.

re: #35 LEGION

Britain is in serious trouble, really.

Brother of 7/7 bomber gets a free trip to Pakistan 'to improve relations'
Toddlers who dislike spicy food 'racist'

re: #36 A Kiwi Infidel

Now this is just sad.

49 noshariaincanada  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:11:09pm

re: #45 pre-Boomer Marine brat

YOU wrong

YOU tube will routinely remove anti-jihadi material but not pro-jihadi.

Go figure.

50 Thanos  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:11:48pm

OT:

Ok someone explain why googling "Islam" gets you ads for portable hand-held bidets?

51 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:11:54pm

re: #37 LEGION

Obama will be Jimmuah Carter's second term- get those sweaters on or start knitting them in the gas lines!


Even without Jhimmi Part II we're in for some tough times. To fill my oil tank for the coming winter will be over $4,000 dollars. Guess who'll be doing without?

52 EC Marm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:12:39pm

re: #50 Thanos

OT:

Ok someone explain why googling "Islam" gets you ads for portable hand-held bidets?


Maybe they're for washing stinky feet five times a day?

53 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:13:15pm

re: #50 Thanos

Good heavens! There is such a thing?!

54 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:13:41pm

re: #38 A Kiwi Infidel

Indeed. Mugabe is a true zombie. Why does South Africa protect him?

55 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:14:34pm

re: #49 noshariaincanada

YOU wrong

YOU tube will routinely remove anti-jihadi material but not pro-jihadi.

Go figure.

Agreed, I am wrong, but only from a certain point of view. It all depends upon whose gratification is being gored.

56 opnion  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:14:43pm

re: #54 hans ze beeman

Indeed. Mugabe is a true zombie. Why does South Africa protect him?

Hmmm, good question. Could it be shared racism?

57 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:15:36pm
58 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:17:19pm

re: #57 buzzsawmonkey

Hey, rube
Me boob
See me
On YouTube.

Thank you very much.
Have a great day.

*grin*

59 noshariaincanada  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:18:11pm

re: #55 pre-Boomer Marine brat

you're not wrong that web 2.0 is a bit of a free-for-all ... it's just that there's an obvious bias as to what garbage is allowed to persist in places like Google's news and Youtube videos.

It is pretty clear by now that a leftist/pro-islamist agenda is at work there.

60 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:18:27pm

All state pupils may be taught Islamic traditions as part of compulsory citizenship lessons

The move - part of a package of initiatives announced by Communities Secretary Hazel Blears yesterday - is designed to curb extremism.

This is taking place - in Britain.

61 Dayenu  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:18:45pm

I've been trying to find the old "Yalla Yalla Nasrallah" which was an Israeli prop film against Nasrallah and Hizballah, which was pretty funny.

I can't find it anywhere. I found a link of it to Youtube... but Youtube got rid of it for "Violating User standards" or whatever.

Of course, Holocaust denial is a-ok.

62 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:18:52pm

re: #30 hans ze beeman

He was also a rabid non-smoker and a vegetarian. And he introduced speed limits on highways, too .

63 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:19:32pm

re: #62 Whiterasta

The speed limits are gone!

64 Truck Monkey  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:20:25pm

re: #60 hans ze beeman

All state pupils may be taught Islamic traditions as part of compulsory citizenship lessons


This is taking place - in Britain.

How long are the real Britons going to continue to get pushed until they start to push back?

66 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:21:42pm

re: #63 hans ze beeman

But dare to light up a Havana or a Dunhill in an Euro bar and see what happens.....

67 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:22:06pm

re: #9 BlueCanuck

So did I. I feel sick to my stomach. The irony is that I do not think this American Jew-hating little nazi could get away with this in Germany.

/Is he related to David Irving?

68 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:22:09pm

Is it just me, or does it appear that Youtube has a pattern of allowing anti-semitic and pro-jihad videos to publish but also immediately deletes anything that might be considered anti-Islamic no matter how factual the video?

69 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:22:15pm

re: #65 hans ze beeman

Flying pig dog moment

A guide dog from Leicester could soon be the first in Britain permitted to enter a mosque, imams say

So what they are saying is that no dogs have ever entered a mosque?

DOGOPHOBES!

70 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:23:00pm

re: #68 LoFlyer

It is not just you.

71 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:23:01pm

re: #60 hans ze beeman

All state pupils may be taught Islamic traditions as part of compulsory citizenship lessons

This is taking place - in Britain.

The must in the name of diversity do the same for...
# Christianity:
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist:n
# Hinduism:
# Chinese traditional religion:
# Buddhism:n
# primal-indigenous:ion
# African Traditional & Diasporic:
# Sikhism:
# Juche:
# Spiritism:
# Judaism:
# Baha'i:
# Jainism:
# Shinto:
# Cao Dai:
# Zoroastrianism:
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism:
# Unitarian-Universalism:
# Rastafarianism:
# Scientology:
# Pastafarianism:
# Turtlefarianism:

72 Dustyvet  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:23:10pm

re: #10 Neo Con since 9-11

Good lord all his videos are rated 4.5-5 stars. People are actually voting this creep up.

With some effert, that works both ways...

73 HelloDare  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:23:15pm

OT:

They just updated Obama's website. His committees are now listed as

Senate Foreign Relations Banking Committee
Senate Committee on Veterans' Banking Affairs
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, Banking and Pensions
Senate Committee on Homeland Security, Banking and Governmental Affairs
/

74 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:23:46pm

re: #67 NY Nana

Well the man they were interviewing was Ernest Zundel. A holocaust denier arrested here in Canuckistan.

75 noshariaincanada  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:24:08pm

re: #71 jcm

The must in the name of diversity do the same for...
# Christianity:
# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist:n
# Hinduism:
# Chinese traditional religion:
# Buddhism:n
# primal-indigenous:ion
# African Traditional & Diasporic:
# Sikhism:
# Juche:
# Spiritism:
# Judaism:
# Baha'i:
# Jainism:
# Shinto:
# Cao Dai:
# Zoroastrianism:
# Tenrikyo: 2 million
# Neo-Paganism:
# Unitarian-Universalism:
# Rastafarianism:
# Scientology:
# Pastafarianism:
# Turtlefarianism:


You forgot the newly emerging

#### LIZARDISM #########

76 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:24:19pm

re: #16 Dar ul Harb

Yeah that's on Redtu... uh, somewhere else ...so I've heard.

also boobtu...oops shouldn't post that should I?

77 BlueCanuck  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:25:00pm

re: #75 noshariaincanada

You forgot the newly emerging

#### LIZARDISM #########

But what are our beliefs? Higher purposes?

/I think we have already had a couple of schisms too. :)

78 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:25:20pm

re: #48 hans ze beeman

Zundel is a Neo-nazi of the worst kind.

I agree. From what I've sampled so far, I've been seeing SAMSIDOT PRESENTS (or Studios, or their logo) in them.

79 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:26:04pm

re: #70 NY Nana

Jews don't kill you for offending them.

80 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:26:46pm

By way of explanation, I'll grant there's a lot of good stuff posted on YouTube -- historical film clips, videos of artists long since gone, et cetera.

My point was, and still is, the ability for self-gratification which YouTube deliberately markets.

IMHO, the pandering to certain elements (e.g., Jihadist) simply reflects marketing strategy.

81 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:26:51pm

re: #64 Truck Monkey

Britain is a glorious nation with a proud tradition. I hope they will remember that in the near future.

re: #66 Whiterasta

There are now many Muslim smoker bars over Europe where you can light a Shisha...

re: #69 BlueCanuck

Heh.

82 opnion  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:27:00pm

I do believe that Christin Creatioists are missing the big picture.
Fly hijacked planes into tall buildings, Blow stuff up wearing suicide belts, put out snuff films and above all shriek that you are being discriminated against.
Next thing you know, people will be forced to take sensitivity classes in order to accomodate you & you will get lots of free stuff.

83 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:27:33pm

re: #77 BlueCanuck

But what are our beliefs? Higher purposes?

/I think we have already had a couple of schisms too. :)

Anti-idiotarianism is more accurate.
Truth & Reason.
Life, Liberty, Property.

84 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:27:54pm

re: #77 BlueCanuck

But what are our beliefs? Higher purposes?

/I think we have already had a couple of schisms too. :)

That makes us a highly respectable religion!

85 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:28:17pm

Good evening, Lizards!

86 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:28:47pm

re: #85 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards!

{GotC}

87 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:28:53pm

re: #82 opnion

No, that won't work. Their neighbors wouldn't put up with it for a moment.

88 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:29:07pm

re: #79 WrathofG-d

Jews don't kill you for offending them.

You mean its not that Youtube is biased, but scared instead? I believe its a combination of both, just like our fracken' western MSM is too scared to publish Mo with a bomb in his turban.

89 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:29:09pm

re: #73 HelloDare

OT:

They just updated Obama's website. His committees are now listed as

Senate Foreign Relations Banking Committee
Senate Committee on Veterans' Banking Affairs
Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, Banking and Pensions
Senate Committee on Homeland Security, Banking and Governmental Affairs
/

Not here, on senate.gov.

90 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:29:18pm

re: #42 abolitionist

I could be wrong, but RevisionistsRus may be just exposing this stuff, not promoting it.

Not sure either, but note the types he's attracting.

91 opnion  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:29:42pm

re: #87 Dianna

No, that won't work. Their neighbors wouldn't put up with it for a moment.

Well, it was just an idea.

92 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:29:59pm
93 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:30:02pm

re: #78 abolitionist

Zundel is a joke and a jackass of the highest order. He is a senile nobody.

I wouldn't cross the street to spit on him if he were on fire.

It took my idiot government almost 30 years to deport this twerp.

Bye the way.

94 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:30:19pm

Evening Goddess!

95 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:30:34pm

re: #66 Whiterasta

But dare to light up a Havana or a Dunhill in an Euro bar a Billings MT Holiday Inn bar and see what happens.....

96 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:30:42pm

re: #85 goddessoftheclassroom

Good evening, Lizards!

Pssst!

97 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:30:59pm

re: #95 Mars Needs Neocons

Sorry I'm bitter and clinging to my cigars.

98 shibumi  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:31:16pm

re: #34 razorbacker

I'll say. Hitler didn't uh, ummm, errrr, and ya know through his rants. His rants flowed.seriously though, you can't compare Obama to Hitler. Yet.

Hitler was a great speaker who didn't have a teleprompter.

And he accomplished stuff.

Sure, it was evil stuff, really evil stuff, but they were accomplishments. Just evil ones.

/not really meaning to imply that Hitler was a more effective leader and politician than Obama, it's just kind of coming out that way. "Barack Obama, you're no John F. Kennedy or Adolph Hitler"

99 hans ze beeman  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:31:45pm

re: #98 shibumi

Don't go there, it leads nowhere

100 Dianna  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:32:38pm

Well, it's that time. I have to catch a train and go train.

Take care, lizards!

101 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:32:38pm

re: #74 BlueCanuck


I know. We were in Toronto a number of times during the Zundel mess. I was sad to see that it seems to take about as long to deport a nazi from Canada as it does here.

If anyone wants to report the nazi who has that shit on his pages? Here is the page with his CV on the left, and on it there is a place to hit 'report'.

It also has a bog, or site, it seems, but I just do not want to go there.

Warning: it is not for the faint of heart...interesting group of subscribers.

102 shibumi  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:32:49pm

re: #99 hans ze beeman

Don't go there, it leads nowhere

Yeah, I know.

*sigh*

103 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:32:59pm

re: #95 Mars Needs Neocons

Whoooooo? What happened? Got a link?

104 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:34:05pm
105 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:35:17pm

Sort of weird how the Soviets and Nazi's hated each other before the war, made a peace treaty for a year proclaiming eternal respect, and then fought the bloodiest war in history. Just absolutely brutal.

106 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:35:39pm

re: #62 Whiterasta

He was also a rabid non-smoker and a vegetarian. And he introduced speed limits on highways, too .

"Rasta" -

Was he a control freak or "JUST AHEAD of HIS TIME?"

-S-

107 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:35:54pm

re: #104 buzzsawmonkey

I'd have explosive sniffing pigs. But that's just me.

108 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:36:01pm

re: #96 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Pssst!

MWAH!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

109 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:36:27pm

re: #79 WrathofG-d

Jews don't kill you for offending them.

No, we don't, Wrath...interesting the analogies that can be drawn between the nazis and the cult of islam..

110 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:37:12pm
111 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:37:26pm

re: #103 Whiterasta

Whoooooo? What happened? Got a link?

No link, personal experience. Was in the Holiday Inn lounge with my wife for our anniversary and lit up a beautiful CAO MX2. Lounge was full of smokers puffing on those dried up little bitter things they call cigarettes. Manager came over and told me I would have to put out my cigar. Even worse my wife had an aromatic and they made her put it out. Cigar discrimination of the worst kind. They advised me they don't allow cigars there. I informed them they had lost my business and all the cigar smokers I know.

112 infidel Alan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:38:10pm

re: #105 LoFlyer

Sort of weird how the Soviets and Nazi's hated each other before the war, made a peace treaty for a year proclaiming eternal respect, and then fought the bloodiest war in history. Just absolutely brutal.

rival gangs of socialist criminals

113 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:38:55pm

re: #108 goddessoftheclassroom

MWAH!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

SWEET!

{goddess}

114 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:40:42pm

re: #107 Whiterasta

I'd have explosive sniffing pigs. But that's just me.

I'm teaching an SAT Prep review right now, so I'm even more tuned in to grammar, usage, and punctuation than usual.

My mental picture of your comment, Whiterasta, was of a pig blowing up as it was sniffing.

115 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:40:47pm

re: #88 LoFlyer


I have writers as friends (typical Hollywood Liberal types), they write comedy...we were joking around and going over their new material....they had NO problem making fun of Christians, and Jews, and Buddhists, etc etc etc... We were discussing a holy person religous match between Jesus, Moses (or G-d) and Mohammad..

After they laughed about Jesus impaling people with a cross, and moses smashing heads with the 10 commandments....I brought up Mohammad beheading the contestants, or being a vest bomber...

SILENCE....then nervos chuckles then an unanimous "you crazy, i'm not looking to be killed here."

116 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:41:21pm

re: #34 razorbacker

MORE LIKE NEVILE CHAMBERLIN OR DHIMMI CARTER

117 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:41:35pm

re: #109 NY Nana

No, we don't, Wrath...interesting the analogies that can be drawn between the Nazis and the cult of islam..

Well seeing the highest ranking Islamic public official in the ME, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was in close cahoots with Hitler before and all through WWII might explain a few things. If any of y'all get the chance, read Exodus by Leon Uris. Its a great read and brings many of our current events into perspective.

118 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:42:28pm

Nazis=killed Jews by the millions
islamists=want to kill Jews by the millions
paleosimians=kill jews by the handful, want to kill Jews by the millions

119 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:44:35pm

re: #109 NY Nana

Yes there is a Nazi comparison I could consider entertaining.

120 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:46:02pm
121 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:46:11pm

re: #116 yochanan

MORE LIKE NEVILE CHAMBERLIN OR DHIMMI CARTER

OTN

122 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:48:43pm

re: #117 LoFlyer

THE MUFTI was a arab NAZI he formed a number of SS DIVIONS inclulding the Hanzar division

123 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:49:43pm

re: #119 WrathofG-d

Wrath,

There is nothing there that I could find entertaining.

124 The Shadow Do  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:50:52pm

OT - Krautheimer just said he thinks Obama is not giving a speech tomorrow in Berlin, he is there to give Mass! Lol.

125 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:50:56pm

re: #117 LoFlyer

And IIRC, that not so grand muhti was Arafart's uncle.

126 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:51:03pm

re: #121 Mars Needs Neocons

OTN ?

127 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:51:05pm

re: #114 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess:

I should know to never start a sentence with a preposition.

How should I have phrased my comment, correctly?

Thanks.

128 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:51:25pm

re: #123 NY Nana

Not sure if you were joking at my bad grammar but I was trying to state that I would entertain the idea that there is a comparison.

(unlike when people compare Obama to Hitler)

129 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:51:26pm

re: #115 WrathofG-d

I have writers as friends (typical Hollywood Liberal types), they write comedy...we were joking around and going over their new material....they had NO problem making fun of Christians, and Jews, and Buddhists, etc etc etc... We were discussing a holy person religous match between Jesus, Moses (or G-d) and Mohammad..

After they laughed about Jesus impaling people with a cross, and moses smashing heads with the 10 commandments....I brought up Mohammad beheading the contestants, or being a vest bomber...

SILENCE....then nervos chuckles then an unanimous "you crazy, i'm not looking to be killed here."

Islam is not known for its humor! The really sad thing is the west is bending over backward to accommodate fundamentalist radical Islam. No humor, no education, female oppression and subjugation are all tolerated by governments that would normally arrest a Christian for doing the same. Not only are Europeans giving into Radicals, in England, they will give you a fine house, and provide complete welfare for large families allowing more time to concentrate on local Muslim domination of communities.

131 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:55:04pm

re: #92 hans ze beeman

Dog bootees to prevent Muslim seething

Maybe if we asked nicely and let them know that the beheading thing they do offends us, maybe they'd, like, stop.

132 wiffersnapper  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:56:08pm

Geert Wilder's "Fitna?" Yep, YouTube ain't got that.

133 jcm  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:56:31pm

re: #129 LoFlyer

Islam is not known for its humor! The really sad thing is the west is bending over backward to accommodate fundamentalist radical Islam. No humor, no education, female oppression and subjugation are all tolerated by governments that would normally arrest a Christian for doing the same. Not only are Europeans giving into Radicals, in England, they will give you a fine house, and provide complete welfare for large families allowing more time to concentrate on local Muslim domination of communities.

"Allah did not create man so that he could have fun. The aim of creation was for mankind to be put to the test through hardship and prayer. An Islamic regime must be serious in every field. There are no jokes in Islam. There is no humor in Islam. There is no fun in Islam. There can be no fun and joy in whatever is serious."
Ayatollah Khomeini

134 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:56:39pm

re: #128 WrathofG-d

Not sure if you were joking at my bad grammar but I was trying to state that I would entertain the idea that there is a comparison.

Now I understand...my bad!

135 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:56:41pm

re: #127 Whiterasta

Goddess:

I should know to never start a sentence with a preposition.

How should I have phrased my comment, correctly?

Thanks.

{Whiterasta}
OH, no, no, no! I hope I didn't come across as being hyper-critical! Since you ask, though, I'll explain. Your comment was:

I'd have explosive sniffing pigs. But that's just me.

The only minor error was leaving out the hyphen between "explosive" and "sniffing" in order to make them a single compound adjective modifying the noun, "pig": I'd have explosive-sniffing pigs. But that's just me.

You began your second sentence with the coordinating conjunction "but," which, strictly speaking, creates a fragment, but in the informal atmosphere of blogs, it is entire;y permissible.

136 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:56:46pm

re: #129 LoFlyer

Your statements are true. Although we need to respect all religions, there is no place for giving special treatment, or changing the underlying secular rules to appease a religous fundemental law (whether it be Christian, Islamic, or Halachic)

For some odd reason the West is doing just that. Beyond the obvious, the problem is that Islam sees these types of imperialism, victories, and growth as evidence of Islams' superiority over the "infidels". (as they are instructed to by Mohammad in the Q'uran).

Therefore, every accomodation is actually more than just a liberal accomodation.

137 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:59:21pm

re: #132 wiffersnapper

Surprisingly, they do.

138 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:59:39pm

re: #126 yochanan

OTN ?

On the nose.

139 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 3:59:58pm

re: #135 goddessoftheclassroom

Goddess:

Thanks for that. I love being here and getting educated. I don't think you are being hyper-critical, at all.

Kindest regards.....

140 Dolphin  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:01:02pm

re: #132 wiffersnapper

But google video does...

141 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:03:08pm

re: #135 goddessoftheclassroom

The only minor error was leaving out the hyphen between "explosive" and "sniffing" in order to make them a single compound adjective modifying the noun, "pig": I'd have explosive-sniffing pigs. But that's just me.

You began your second sentence with the coordinating conjunction "but," which, strictly speaking, creates a fragment, but in the informal atmosphere of blogs, it is entire;y permissible.

You know, considering Islam, I think exploding, sniffing pigs would work much better in my view.

142 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:03:09pm

re: #135 goddessoftheclassroom

But what if sniffing pigs DO tend to explode, with all of that inhalation?

143 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:05:58pm

Just saw this. WWII and the Holocaust are subjects which are dear to my heart; I've been studying them since I was a child.

I have not seen the videos, but I would strongly suggest that they be watched for on other reason that to gather ammunition for future arguments. The revisionists usually rely on only a few bases for their opinions and if you can isolate and refute those bases, then their whole argument falls to the ground.

As for the forensic studies of whether there is cyanide residue on the walls of the ruins, and other such "evidence" I'd say there's more credible scientific evidence to support intelligent design than there is to support these revisionist theories.

144 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:12:09pm

re: #115 WrathofG-d

I have writers as friends (typical Hollywood Liberal types), they write comedy...we were joking around and going over their new material....they had NO problem making fun of Christians, and Jews, and Buddhists, etc etc etc... We were discussing a holy person religous match between Jesus, Moses (or G-d) and Mohammad..

After they laughed about Jesus impaling people with a cross, and moses smashing heads with the 10 commandments....I brought up Mohammad beheading the contestants, or being a vest bomber...

SILENCE....then nervos chuckles then an unanimous "you crazy, i'm not looking to be killed here."

that is how islam spreads and takes over. when no one pushes back because they are afraid. islam loves an easy mark.

145 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:13:15pm

re: #90 Mars Needs Neocons

Not sure either, but note the types he's attracting.

Looking over a small sampling of RevisionistsRus’s "friends", I see some have had their accounts suspended. Not much info on those. Otherwise I'm seeing some are flaming nazis (Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!), some are tied to the BNP (British National Party) and some tied to BFP (British First Party). One of those indicates his website is britishfirst.org

146 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:18:58pm

Youtube is I believe owned by Google isn't it? When they through negligence allow their service to be used to promote hate and increase the real possibility of death and suffering by their facilitating terrorist recruitment, training and communication, do they lay themselves open to Civil liability? Can the victims families sue?

147 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:19:48pm

re: #42 abolitionist

I could be wrong, but RevisionistsRus may be just exposing this stuff, not promoting it.

You can answer that question for yourself simply by taking a look at RevisionistRus's YouTube space to see if you can find a shred of evidence that his purpose is to expose Holocaust revisionism rather than promote it.

148 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:20:09pm

re: #144 nyc redneck


What is that favorite leftist quote?: The only thing totalitarinism needs to take over is for good people to do nothing.

or something like that...

Islam: Mafia Tactics with a religious component

149 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:21:19pm

re: #145 abolitionist

Looking over a small sampling of RevisionistsRus’s "friends", I see some have had their accounts suspended. Not much info on those. Otherwise I'm seeing some are flaming nazis (Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer!), some are tied to the BNP (British National Party) and some tied to BFP (British First Party). One of those indicates his website is britishfirst.org

Seems to be a preponderance of bad people there.

150 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:21:50pm

re: #146 lifeofthemind

The Google dudes are rabidly anti-American and hate the West and the Civilized World. (Even though they live in the USA.)

Another case of money making one stupid.

151 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:22:40pm
152 Whiterasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:23:42pm

re: #151 buzzsawmonkey

Yes. Sigh.

153 psyop  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:24:34pm

You Tube and Google have some serious problems.

154 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:27:13pm

re: #131 debutaunt

Maybe if we asked nicely and let them know that the beheading thing they do offends us, maybe they'd, like, stop.

"deb" -

The way to handle it is the same way our British Cousins abolished SUTTEE during the "Raj." A local British Commander when told of the practice erected gallows. Next time it would have happened, he stopped it.
When the locals informed him that it was custom to burn the widow along with her husband, the British Commander informed the locals that it was British Custom to hang those who burned widows, faced with that choice, AND THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT, SUTTEE was abolished. AND, that was on THEIR TERRITORY. Why should we be weaker in response on OUR TERRITORY - Pray Tell?

-S-

155 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:27:29pm

re: #153 psyop

Who are we as Americans to question their culture...... oh wait, never mind.

156 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:31:25pm

re: #149 Mars Needs Neocons

creepy web sit with links to nazi flag sales.

157 pingjockey  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:34:01pm

re: #154 Dr. Shalit
Brilliant!

158 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:34:52pm

re: #155 WrathofG-d

Who are we as Americans to question their culture...... oh wait, never mind.

Better yet,
/Why do we import them?

159 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:35:25pm

re: #156 yochanan

creepy web sit with links to nazi flag sales.

and we have a winner, a very bad guy. I had a feeling, but I sure didn't want to go to his site myself. The commenters were bad enough.

160 debutaunt  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:36:53pm

re: #154 Dr. Shalit

"deb" -

The way to handle it is the same way our British Cousins abolished SUTTEE during the "Raj." A local British Commander when told of the practice erected gallows. Next time it would have happened, he stopped it.
When the locals informed him that it was custom to burn the widow along with her husband, the British Commander informed the locals that it was British Custom to hang those who burned widows, faced with that choice, AND THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT, SUTTEE was abolished. AND, that was on THEIR TERRITORY. Why should we be weaker in response on OUR TERRITORY - Pray Tell?

-S-

Hey, I'm with you completely!

161 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:37:10pm

re: #158 LoFlyer

Insofar that they are a private website, doesn't the webmaster of Google have the right to post and not post anything he/she/it wants?

162 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:37:56pm

re: #154 Dr. Shalit

"deb" -

The way to handle it is the same way our British Cousins abolished SUTTEE during the "Raj." A local British Commander when told of the practice erected gallows. Next time it would have happened, he stopped it.
When the locals informed him that it was custom to burn the widow along with her husband, the British Commander informed the locals that it was British Custom to hang those who burned widows, faced with that choice, AND THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE IT, SUTTEE was abolished. AND, that was on THEIR TERRITORY. Why should we be weaker in response on OUR TERRITORY - Pray Tell?

-S-

Lord Napier, wonderful story.

163 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:37:59pm

re: #145 abolitionist

I was curous about britishfirst.org. Seems to be a membership-only site. One bit of info I gleaned:

Who is online In total there are 3 users online :: 1 registered, 0 hidden and 2 guests (based on users active over the past 5 minutes)
Most users ever online was 8 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 6:30 pm

There's something about that date... no, that was Apr 20th.
/

re: #147 Throbert McGee

re: #149 Mars Needs Neocons

Seems to be a preponderance of bad people there.

I agree.

164 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:39:35pm

re: #163 abolitionist

Did you take possible time zone differences into account. Where would that have to have been to be april 20th?

165 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:39:40pm

Totally OT, Just got my electric bill for last month, and am totally stoked! Bill was only 89 dollars, and I ran the A/C long and hard! On the down side, I have spent 250 on repairs to the A/C this summer, but they appear to be well spent.

166 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:39:42pm

re: #150 Whiterasta

The Google dudes are rabidly anti-American and hate the West and the Civilized World. (Even though they live in the USA.)

Another case of money making one stupid.

Maybe a good lawyer could go after them? I hear John Edwards might have some extra time on his hands.

167 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:40:09pm

re: #158 LoFlyer

Better yet,
/Why do we import them?

"Lo" -

To steal all of the Patents from the Saudi Patent Office.

/s/ -S-

168 calcajun  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:41:12pm

re: #154 Dr. Shalit

Let's not forget how they also stamped out thugee and a few other vile religious practices. I think there is a lesson for us all.

169 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:42:25pm
170 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:43:13pm

re: #161 WrathofG-d

Insofar that they are a private website, doesn't the webmaster of Google have the right to post and not post anything he/she/it wants?

Where did that come from? I was referring to America's importation of fundamentalist Islamic Imam's, Like the ones that are suing the airlines for being detained after acting like lunatics?

171 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:43:20pm

re: #162 lifeofthemind

Lord Napier, wonderful story.

"lotm" -

Was Lord Napier in any way related to the Napier Company that might have competed with Rolls-Royce in autos and Aircraft Engines? Just wondering.

-S-

172 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:44:35pm

re: #169 buzzsawmonkey

The al-Ronco Pocket Beheading Sword, the Ginsu Jihad Knives, and the Stone-O-Matic?

"buzz" -

Something like that, with all due apologies to Ron Popiel.

-S-

173 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:45:10pm
174 Throbert McGee  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:45:23pm

re: #3 WrathofG-d

Search YouTube for 10 minutes and you will find they have everything....the worst of the worst.....(and the best of the best)

Just for starters, it's difficult or impossible to find clips of Saturday Night Live sketches, classic or recent, on YouTube -- which might have something to do with the fact that NBC Universal (the parent company of NBC, which owns SNL) threatened to sue YouTube to the tune of $100K or so per copyright infringement.

Thus, YouTube will host videos claiming that Hitler was a misunderstood genius, but no videos of Chris Kattan as Gay Hitler on Ice!™ from SNL's "Weekend Update."

175 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:46:04pm

While the 'free hosting' sites may have many dark corners I think overall youtube.com is a wonderful thing.

Is the Viacom lawsuit a real threat to youtube and the like?

176 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:47:37pm

re: #164 Mars Needs Neocons

No, I had not considered time zones, but I doubt that matters much. Did you notice my sarc tag? (Rhetorical Q) It was close to AH's b'day (20th).

177 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:48:00pm

re: #158 LoFlyer

Better yet,
/Why do we import them?

A very good question, considering that we have so many people from the Western Hemisphere knocking on our doors. It's not as if we NEED more immigrants.

178 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:48:15pm

Hey, here is an interesting conundrum....

I'm doing business with a guy and he and his bat-shit crazy (English) wife treat me like they are giving me charity.

I'm buying their service and paying handsomely for it, yet they treat me like shit.

What's up with that and how do I deal with it?

179 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:48:31pm

british first seems to be a neo nazi grouplet that spilt off the BNP more than likely because they aren't militant enough sort of like why extremist leftist groups break off of larger leftist groups.

every thug wants to be the next lenin, stalin or snicklegrouber

180 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:48:59pm

re: #178 WhiteRasta

You take your business elsewhere. NOW.

181 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:49:11pm

re: #170 LoFlyer

Oh. I was referring to YouTubes' right to post Holocaust Denial, but not Pro-American, or Anti-Islamist videos. Isn't it their right to do so? Are we not really just questioning their right to post what they want?

182 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:49:57pm

re: #175 experiencedtraveller

While the 'free hosting' sites may have many dark corners I think overall youtube.com is a wonderful thing.

Is the Viacom lawsuit a real threat to youtube and the like?

Not since Youtube deleted anything remotely connected to Viacom.

/gnashing my teeth, lost a lot of good links to Youtube when Youtube caved.

183 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:50:37pm
184 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:50:54pm

re: #174 Throbert McGee

That is a copyright issue.

185 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:51:05pm

re: #178 WhiteRasta

Hey, here is an interesting conundrum....

I'm doing business with a guy and he and his bat-shit crazy (English) wife treat me like they are giving me charity.

I'm buying their service and paying handsomely for it, yet they treat me like shit.

What's up with that and how do I deal with it?

Find a good competitor of your vendor and start negotiating....

186 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:51:41pm

re: #175 experiencedtraveller

While the 'free hosting' sites may have many dark corners I think overall youtube.com is a wonderful thing.


With respect ...
/rant on

see my posts above
re: #45 pre-Boomer Marine brat
re: #80 pre-Boomer Marine brat

/rant off

187 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:51:44pm

re: #178 WhiteRasta

Decide if the product or your pride is worth more.

188 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:53:11pm

re: #176 abolitionist

No, I had not considered time zones, but I doubt that matters much. Did you notice my sarc tag? (Rhetorical Q) It was close to AH's b'day (20th).

Oh I did understand. I just didn't know about the organization so I was just thinking. I would actually bet that it probably was April 20 in Britain. That is if the host was in another country.

Not that any of this matters, it seems nazi's of a feather flock together. (and can go flock themselves IMHO)

189 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:54:07pm

re: #180 wolfie

re: #185 LoFlyer

I thank you for your advice.

I really, really despise this pair of white-trash skanks I'm dealing with .

I will take my business elsewhere.

190 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:55:24pm

re: #178 WhiteRasta

Hey, here is an interesting conundrum....

I'm doing business with a guy and he and his bat-shit crazy (English) wife treat me like they are giving me charity.

I'm buying their service and paying handsomely for it, yet they treat me like shit.

What's up with that and how do I deal with it?

I'd bet they're lefties too. Lefties always have the attitude that what they are doing is for YOUR benefit and they are the gracious ones.

191 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:56:36pm

re: #178 WhiteRasta

Hey, here is an interesting conundrum....

I'm doing business with a guy and he and his bat-shit crazy (English) wife treat me like they are giving me charity.

I'm buying their service and paying handsomely for it, yet they treat me like shit.

What's up with that and how do I deal with it?

"Rasta" -

Does the term "SECOND SOURCE" mean anything to you? I would love to have Office 2007 on my computer and have taken the trial. As FREEWARE, it would be there. As a $149 upgrade, considering I have OpenOffice (Sun Microsystems, once removed!), thanks but No Thanks. Discussion?

-S-

192 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:56:42pm

re: #187 WrathofG-d

My pride wins out.

They can go screw, at the end of this month...

What a pair of skanks. They deserve each other.

193 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 4:58:07pm

re: #186 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Absolute quality rants boomer. I would expect nothing less from your distinguished self. For me, youtube is about the music and the history vids. I'll have to check out the 'self gratification' aspects. I'll be back with a complete report....might take me a few weeks tho... I would need to see everything to be intellectually honest :)

194 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:00:13pm

Who Killed Chandra Levy?

On Sept. 11, 2001, terrorists struck the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, and the four-month-old Chandra Levy story quickly dropped off the front pages of newspapers around the world.

[snip]

Guandique, the informant said, confessed to murdering a woman in the park named Chandra Levy, the intern whose picture had been splashed all over television. There was more: Guandique said Rep. Gary Condit paid him to do it. He didn't realize who Condit was until he later saw his picture on TV. Guandique had been walking in the Adams Morgan neighborhood when a car pulled to the curb. Condit offered him money - $25,000 to kill a woman. The congressman provided him with her picture and a location where he could find her.

[snip]

Gladys Joseph, a lawyer with the D.C. Public Defender Service who was assigned to represent Guandique, tried to persuade the judge to give her client a light sentence. "Mr. Guandique was trying to get a Walkman and go. And really just did something incredibly stupid, and incredibly dangerous, even to himself," Joseph said.

Shilling had a different take.

"I reject the notion that he intended to simply rob me," she told the judge that day. "This attack was a physical one, pure and simple. He stalked me for a mile. He attacked me with a knife. We struggled on the ground. He left my valuables on the path when he fled. I do not doubt for a second that, given the chance, he would repeat this crime against another woman. I would request that this person be given the harshest possible sentence for his crime."

195 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:00:21pm
196 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:00:47pm

re: #190 Mars Needs Neocons

Jesus Christ! You are 100% on the mark, my friend.

She is a rabid anti-smoking vegan moonbat and a global warming, enviro-mental case.

He is a wimpy girly-man, with all the personality of a dead squid.

197 tradewind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:01:18pm

Denying this Ho is gonna cost him....
[Link: www.nationalenquirer.com...]

198 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:01:25pm

re: #192 WhiteRasta

its a balance of pride and humility, but if you aren't being treated right...then as you say "they can go screw".

199 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:01:47pm

re: #173 ploome hineni

Sir Louis Napier?

Honest I forget which it was. Wiki has a Francis, 10th Lord Napier who was Governor General of Madras and Acting Viceroy but there is no quote.

200 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:02:11pm

re: #190 Mars Needs Neocons

I'd bet they're lefties too. Lefties always have the attitude that what they are doing is for YOUR benefit and they are the gracious ones.

Leftie rich people are unpredictable, many are as you say are boorish and condescending. Ran into Ted Turner, and he was down to earth and humorous. We stayed away from politics though.

201 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:02:32pm

re: #195 ploome hineni

As a theory, yes. As a practice?: as far as it doesn't violate a non-religious based law. yes.

202 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:02:49pm

re: #201 Ploome

As a theory, yes. As a practice?: as far as it doesn't violate a non-religious based law. yes.

"We" being the state that is.

203 Da_Beerfreak  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:03:08pm

re: #105 LoFlyer

Sort of weird how the Soviets and Nazi's hated each other before the war, made a peace treaty for a year proclaiming eternal respect, and then fought the bloodiest war in history. Just absolutely brutal.

Some folks would call that diplomacy.

204 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:04:01pm
205 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:04:53pm

re: #203 Da_Beerfreak

Some folks would call that diplomacy.

Thankfully we mature democracies do not have to worry about that.

/Its always the totalitarians who cause war.

206 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:05:39pm

re: #194 JCM

"JCM" -

If so - Prosecute. If his home nation has a problem with Capital Punishment, NO PROBLEM. Give him the Maricopa Co., AZ Diet and put him into the general population.
When he dies - fly his corpse home. Now What?

-S-

207 LoFlyer  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:06:41pm

BBL guys, got some internet errands to run, thanks for the discussion by all!

208 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:06:49pm

re: #179 yochanan

on there site photo's look like no more than a dozen cretens showed up for this big action. i would not worry too much about this grouplet unless some nut case who is a member goes off on fascist jihad like the world church of the creator's nut did in my 'hood and shot and wounded and murdered people.

209 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:07:20pm

Charles, if you're here you have a spammer in the chatroom.

210 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:07:35pm

re: #196 WhiteRasta

Jesus Christ! You are 100% on the mark, my friend.

She is a rabid anti-smoking vegan moonbat and a global warming, enviro-mental case.

He is a wimpy girly-man, with all the personality of a dead squid.

"Rasta" -

Next time she calls, ask her if she is EVA BRAUN!

-S-

211 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:08:03pm

Excuse me, time for fine dining moderately priced.

212 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:08:22pm

re: #194 JCM

There was an article posted the other day somewhere that referred to that a-hole Condit as a conservative. In fact they were listing a bunch of scandals and they were all "conservatives".

213 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:08:37pm
214 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:08:58pm

re: #210 Dr. Shalit

ROFLMAO !

215 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:09:40pm

re: #206 Dr. Shalit

"JCM" -

If so - Prosecute. If his home nation has a problem with Capital Punishment, NO PROBLEM. Give him the Maricopa Co., AZ Diet and put him into the general population.
When he dies - fly his corpse home. Now What?

-S-

Yep. I don't care what the his home nation thinks. Do the crime here, do the our punishment.

Listening to a lib talk show host on the drive home... Criminals can't deprive someone of their rights, only the government can.

Tell that to Chandra.

216 yochanan  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:10:15pm

re: #212 Mars Needs Noons

crooks go were ever the money is in Chicago crooks are donks and when the GOP ran the house and sen the crooks were GOP in fact the crook is neither the crook is just a crook.

217 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:10:17pm

re: #200 LoFlyer

Leftie rich people are unpredictable, many are as you say are boorish and condescending. Ran into Ted Turner, and he was down to earth and humorous. We stayed away from politics though.

Everyone here who's run into him here says he's a condescending asshole. Talked to a storekeeper that met him one day and he said Turner was the biggest prick he'd ever met. And that includes the lefties that have talked to him about releasing his "imprisoned" bison. And this is in a liberal part of MT.

218 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:10:53pm

re: #210 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

Or EVA PERON!

-S-

219 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:10:58pm

re: #193 experiencedtraveller

re: "self-gratification" It's a generalization I make. IMHO, and over-simplified, the WEB is divided into two categories -- functions (research, business, e-mail, etc) and pleasure-seeking (MasturbationSpace is the prime example.) There's nothing inheriently wrong with seeking pleasure, but the Web has become a haven for the blantantly hedonistic.

Somewhere in the middle are sites like LOLcats, which are "pleasure-seeking", but utterly worthwhile. (I mention that to avoid being whacked by goddess.)

220 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:11:44pm

re: #212 Mars Needs Neocons

There was an article posted the other day somewhere that referred to that a-hole Condit as a conservative. In fact they were listing a bunch of scandals and they were all "conservatives".

Only conservative are morally flawed, with a culture of corruption. Or didn't you get the memo.? /

Remember with conservatives it's the seriousness of the charge.
With liberals it's doesn't matter until a conviction, sometimes.

221 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:12:37pm

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: "self-gratification" It's a generalization I make. IMHO, and over-simplified, the WEB is divided into two categories -- functions (research, business, e-mail, etc) and pleasure-seeking (MasturbationSpace is the prime example.) There's nothing inheriently wrong with seeking pleasure, but the Web has become a haven for the blantantly hedonistic.

Somewhere in the middle are sites like LOLcats, which are "pleasure-seeking", but utterly worthwhile. (I mention that to avoid being whacked by goddess.)

Then there's this.....

222 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:14:06pm

re: #221 JCM

Then there's this.....

HACK
COUGH
GAG

223 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:14:14pm

re: #216 yochanan

Very true. But, there is a tendecy of the press to rewrite history to make all scandals conservative ones. Hell, I even saw something a few months back that said the Clinton scandal was all the republican parties fault. As if Billy didn't do anything at all.

224 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:14:57pm

re: #220 JCM

My point exactly.

225 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:15:40pm

Now ... cough ... as I was saying about the utter lack ... cough wheeze ... of moral character on the web ...

226 quickjustice  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:16:50pm

YouTube: Freedom of Expression for me, not for thee.

227 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:16:54pm

Bless you, jcm, you make my day!

228 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:17:08pm

re: #225 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Now ... cough ... as I was saying about the utter lack ... cough wheeze ... of moral character on the web ...

I resemble that statement!
;-P

229 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:18:27pm

re: #224 Mars Needs Neocons

My point exactly.

Just tried to find that article. Didn't find it, but I found a lot of stuff on the fact that the media almost universally refused to mention Condits party affiliation during the scandal.

/big shock

230 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:19:18pm

re: #215 JCM

OK JCM -

I will state my position on Capital Punishment - basically i am an "Anti" except in National Security Matters. As to terms and conditions of Incarceration - Let Nature take its course. Discussion?

-S-

231 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:21:41pm

re: #230 Dr. Shalit

OK JCM -

I will state my position on Capital Punishment - basically i am an "Anti" except in National Security Matters. As to terms and conditions of Incarceration - Let Nature take its course. Discussion?

-S-

I'm for the express lane theory.

232 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:24:26pm

re: #230 Dr. Shalit

I disagree with you on the point of national security. My position is ,put them in Marion for the rest of their natural lives...

There are worse things than death .

233 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:24:43pm

re: #231 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm for the express lane theory.

"MNN" -

Occasionally, the Jail House is wiser than the White House. That is all.

-S-

234 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:25:14pm

re: #232 WhiteRasta

I disagree with you on the point of national security. My position is ,put them in Marion for the rest of their natural lives...

There are worse things than death .

But death eliminates repeat offenders. Life in prison doesn't always work out that way.

235 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:25:19pm

re: #230 Dr. Shalit

OK JCM -

I will state my position on Capital Punishment - basically i am an "Anti" except in National Security Matters. As to terms and conditions of Incarceration - Let Nature take its course. Discussion?

-S-

I'm more pro. Society has the obligation to defend itself. Living in society is a bi-lateral contract. A criminal violates that contract, by violating the rights of others then society can suspend the criminals rights with due process.

For heinous offenses, a offender can in my opinion be deprived of life. This is society protecting it's self from the offender, and making clear such action are not acceptable.

236 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:26:52pm

re: #233 Dr. Shalit

"MNN" -

Occasionally, the Jail House is wiser than the White House. That is all.

-S-

Well I was reading stats on mistaken imprisonment and execution one time and I have to admit, criminal court has a much better average mistakewise, than the government does.

237 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:27:51pm

re: #232 WhiteRasta

I disagree with you on the point of national security. My position is ,put them in Marion for the rest of their natural lives...

There are worse things than death .

"Rasta" -

There certainly are things that are worse than death. And, in THIS WORLD, there is nothing more permanent. The key is to keep "the State" out of the loop.

-S-

238 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:28:54pm

re: #219 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Is that MasturbationSpace dot com or MasturbationSpace dot net?

But kidding aside it seems to me the web is big enough for everything. Of course, obscenity must always be opposed and it would be better if pr0n were behind an age barrier of sort... But what is obscene? In the words of SCOTUS Judge Potter Stewart "I know it when I see it."

239 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:29:33pm

re: #237 Dr. Shalit

LOL, that sounds like how I wanted the Guantanamo "detainees" handled.

Keep the state out of it. Battlefield execution as per the Geneva Conventions.

240 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:29:57pm

re: #234 Mars Needs Neocons

Good point. Death also eliminates the possibility of holding a school or hospital hostage for the release of the convict.

Who knows what spineless wimp will be in control of Congress 30 or 40 years from now.

See Israel this week.

241 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:32:23pm

re: #238 experiencedtraveller

"dot com" or "dot net" ... to quote Stewart freely, you'll know it when you get there.

*grin*

242 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:33:17pm

re: #240 WhiteRasta

Very frighteningly true. I dread when we see the kind of crap that gets pulled in Israel to "influence" prisoner releases.

There was a time I thought our gangs were going to get that bad. Though with MS-13 in this country it could get that way.

(Had an idea years ago for a sci-fi story taking place in a US that had to negotiate "gang treaties" and create "free-fire territories"

243 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:33:29pm

re: #236 Mars Needs Neocons

Well I was reading stats on mistaken imprisonment and execution one time and I have to admit, criminal court has a much better average mistakewise, than the government does.

I look at it this way.

We tolerate 300,000 medical mistakes fatalities each year, in exchange for health care.

We accept 40,000 dead for the ability to drive.

We accept another 30,000 for the right to keep and bear arms.

We get worked up in a lather over a few mistaken executions by a society protecting it self from 18,000 murders.

Sorry, I can't get to excited about it. I'd worry first about the innocent victims of a drunk driver.

244 Killian Bundy  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:33:38pm

Obama/Pinocchio '08

/because you can't handle the truth

245 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:34:33pm

OT-

I had an interesting question posed to me this morning. A neighbor was straightening out her daughter's room and found a social studies report from last year (6th grade) on Anwar Sadat. The girl got an A on it, so snoopy Mom went ahead and read it.
Well, out of the blue the neighbor asks me if the CIA or Israelis killed Sadat! The mom was asking because the end of the report Sadat was killed by an unidentified "people who were against peace" .....people who "didn't care about the Palestinians".......people "who thought war, instead of understanding, was the solution to violence."
Mom was quite young when Sadat died, but correctly remembered the assassination being the work of Islamic radicals of some kind. She wondered if maybe her memory was wrong.
Yikes!

246 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:35:28pm
247 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:36:34pm
248 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:36:43pm

re: #243 JCM

Me too. And as far as I've been able to find there have been exactly 0 proven innocent executed.

249 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:36:44pm

re: #244 Killian Bundy

Obama/Pinocchio '08

/because you can't handle the truth

"K-B" -

Pinocchio - "Si Se PUEDE!

-S-

250 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:36:58pm

re: #245 wolfie

They are both wrong! The Joooooooos killed Sadat...

Everyone knows that.

251 irongrampa  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:37:13pm

I support the death penalty, as it's been proven to be a 100% effective deterrent to recividism.

252 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:37:58pm

re: #249 Dr. Shalit

Reply to self -

Y, Pinocchio dice - "NO HAY DE QUE!"

-S-

253 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:38:32pm
254 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:38:35pm

re: #251 irongrampa

Next time I run into you, I'm going to buy you a beer or 6.....

255 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:39:23pm

You know, I think I've evolved, cause I prefer the lesbian toe sucking videos on Youtube to Holocaust deniers.

256 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:39:39pm

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

Naah, Obama wants to be a filled suit.

257 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:40:39pm

re: #251 irongrampa

I support the death penalty, as it's been proven to be a 100% effective deterrent to recividism.

"igp" -

So is incarceration if there REALLY IS NO PAROLE - FOR ANY REASON! No Death Penalty takes away half of the Moonbat Protest - Think Strategically.

-S-

258 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:41:50pm

re: #240 WhiteRasta

Good point. Death also eliminates the possibility of holding a school or hospital hostage for the release of the convict.

Who knows what spineless wimp will be in control of Congress 30 or 40 years from now.

See Israel this week.


in da house..what did i miss?
The whole thing about gitmo bothers me alot..I know some of us joke about taking care of things on the battlefield with a bullet.
One night after my son returned from Iraq.. about 8 weeks now,
We were standing in the kitchen alone with a beer chatting..
I asked him..hey Jordan..what happens when to catch a bad guy in fallujah? Did you just shoot him? Did you question or torture him?
his answer: pops..we just send him up the chain of command..
My son came home from a war with his soul..100%
Without a gitmo or something there is no place to send a captured combatant from the battlefield..Don't turn our military into murderers..
America has a RIGHT to gitmo..

259 Dolphin  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:43:11pm

re: #235 JCM

I'm more pro. Society has the obligation to defend itself. Living in society is a bi-lateral contract. A criminal violates that contract, by violating the rights of others then society can suspend the criminals rights with due process.

For heinous offenses, a offender can in my opinion be deprived of life. This is society protecting it's self from the offender, and making clear such action are not acceptable.

re: #243 JCM

I look at it this way.

We tolerate 300,000 medical mistakes fatalities each year, in exchange for health care.

We accept 40,000 dead for the ability to drive.

We accept another 30,000 for the right to keep and bear arms.

We get worked up in a lather over a few mistaken executions by a society protecting it self from 18,000 murders.

Sorry, I can't get to excited about it. I'd worry first about the innocent victims of a drunk driver.

Wow. I really like the way you think. That is the best written, thought-out argument I have ever heard on this subject. Really excellent!

260 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:43:18pm

re: #248 Mars Needs Neocons

Me too. And as far as I've been able to find there have been exactly 0 proven innocent executed.

Correct, and of those pulled off death row with exculpatory evidence how many hand no criminal record.

The mistaken execution mantra is a canard, nothing more it's about attack our system, our society, our way of life. Not saving convicted murders.

261 Inquisitive  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:43:36pm

Hello to all Lizards and how is everyone in Lizard Nation today?

262 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:43:42pm
263 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:43:54pm

re: #257 Dr. Shalit

My friend, that is all well and good in theory.

This week, 30 years later Israel released a child murdering POS who should have never got out.

If the Israelis had hung him 29 years ago, we would not be having this conversation....

264 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:44:30pm

re: #255 maddogg

lesbian toe sucking ?

/Darn... I guess I'm really not that 'experienced'...

265 opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:45:18pm

re: #245 wolfie

OT-

I had an interesting question posed to me this morning. A neighbor was straightening out her daughter's room and found a social studies report from last year (6th grade) on Anwar Sadat. The girl got an A on it, so snoopy Mom went ahead and read it.
Well, out of the blue the neighbor asks me if the CIA or Israelis killed Sadat! The mom was asking because the end of the report Sadat was killed by an unidentified "people who were against peace" .....people who "didn't care about the Palestinians".......people "who thought war, instead of understanding, was the solution to violence."
Mom was quite young when Sadat died, but correctly remembered the assassination being the work of Islamic radicals of some kind. She wondered if maybe her memory was wrong.
Yikes!

Ask the mom if she knows about the guy who smashed a four year old girls head in on a beach. Ask her if she knows the purpose of this guy's "mission" which resulted in this little girl's murder.

In all the coverage of Kuntar the motivation of his "mission" has been mostly neglected. Likely just relegated as just another kill the Jews operation.

Kuntar's attack on Israel was to protest the Camp David Accords.

On Sadat, Ayman al-Zawahiri was a leader of the group that killed Sadat. Ask mom if the name sounds familair. It should, he is today the number two guy in al-Qaeda

"People who are against peace" indeed.

266 Carridine  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:45:44pm

A commenter upthread asks if we (the State in a free, moral, western nation) should tolerate Satanism, and THAT IS EXACTLY what 'The Devil and Daniel Webster' was illustrating, way back then...

To consider ourselves a JUST nation, we must consider JUSTICE for the most evil of terrorist scumbags, Satan/Beelzebub.

What we'd wish for him ('Whatsoever ye do unto the least of these...) we wish for ourselves (...ye do likewise unto Me'. Jesus of Nazareth)

As long as they break no laws otherwise, the State MUST respect their individual rights under the common law. We need not admire, like or much tolerate their beliefs, but We, the People, have no inherent collective 'right' or 'obligation' to persecute them solely because they claim to worship The Evil One.

267 paint-right  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:47:02pm

i was just at YOUtube looking at videos of the China earthquake, curious about rebuilding etc. and in the comments section was a virulently antisemitic holocaust denying bucnh of vitriol.

Is that common? allowed? reportable?

No hall monitors there?

268 WhiteRasta  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:47:06pm

re: #258 HoosierHoops

I have a real problem with the catch and release system we have with terrorists, right now....

May G-d Bless and keep your son.

269 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:47:37pm

re: #259 Dolphin

The only problem I see is that medical mistakes and auto accidents are accidents by people. Executions are deliberate death penalties meted out by the state.

I completely support the death penalty, but I want physical, not just circumstantial, evidence.

270 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:48:01pm

re: #237 Dr. Shalit

"Rasta" -

There certainly are things that are worse than death. And, in THIS WORLD, there is nothing more permanent. The key is to keep "the State" out of the loop.

-S-

The modern Western notion that the State should be "out of the loop" in killing is a direct result, IMO, of the State assuming more and more the character of a Church. (The medieval Church executed no one, not even heretics, all of whom were turned over to the State, whose office was to bear the temporal sword.) Thus the State has taken over charity and education, among other things, from the Church, and now is beginning to excuse itself from secular duties by claiming scruples more befitting clergy.

I would also say that any society that categorically refuses to inflict capital punishment is a society that has declared it will not defend itself. If the state is too holy to wield the sword against the vilest of criminals, by what logic or right can it ask me, let alone tell me, to kill an enemy soldier?

(That being said, my sentiments are with you.)

271 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:48:07pm

re: #257 Dr. Shalit

"igp" -

So is incarceration if there REALLY IS NO PAROLE - FOR ANY REASON! No Death Penalty takes away half of the Moonbat Protest - Think Strategically.

-S-

Escapes...
Who is to say in 10 years courts take a wild swing to left and feel sorry for these lifers?

272 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:49:36pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, if the Egyptians could drill Anwar, why can't we drill ANWR?

*BARF*

And after slinging that back into buzzsaw's Cheops, ... I'm signing out for the night.

273 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:51:08pm

re: #263 WhiteRasta

My friend, that is all well and good in theory.

This week, 30 years later Israel released a child murdering POS who should have never got out.

If the Israelis had hung him 29 years ago, we would not be having this conversation....

"Rasta" -

Very True, Very Unfortunate. Israel since 1948 has had NO DEATH PENALTY, (Officially), except for Eichmann. it is amazing that crimes of the 1930's/40's can be prosecuted to the extent of a death penalty, even happening outside the borders of Eretz Yisroel, and more current crimes cannot. As to the "Un-Official" - that is what MOSSAD is for. Discussion?

-S-

274 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:51:23pm

re: #269 goddessoftheclassroom

I agree ... (and see my 272. Have a great evening.)

MWAH!

275 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:51:24pm
276 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:51:26pm

re: #271 JCM

Escapes...
Who is to say in 10 years courts take a wild swing to left and feel sorry for these lifers?

Lest we forget Willie Horton, who was sentenced to LIFE WITHOUT PAROLE... we all know how that one ended up....

277 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:52:27pm
278 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:54:42pm

re: #268 WhiteRasta

I have a real problem with the catch and release system we have with terrorists, right now....

May G-d Bless and keep your son.

But you see my point right? there are going to be a few here and there that get out and it sucks that we'll have to take those terrorists out..again..jeez but
Our military deserves and has earned the right to keep thier souls intact.. No murder on the battlefield..
/ did you know that the 3/5th Marines arrived home this May with EVERY SINGLE MARINE UNHARMED! The noise at 1:30am at Camp P was like being at a Colts game..just deafing..
The saying of the 3/5 is 'Get Some!'
there were like a 100 signs that said something like this..' yea..you gonna get some tonight'
we took like a thousand pictures...

279 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:56:24pm

re: #269 goddessoftheclassroom

The only problem I see is that medical mistakes and auto accidents are accidents by people. Executions are deliberate death penalties meted out by the state.

I completely support the death penalty, but I want physical, not just circumstantial, evidence.

We as a society accept a certain rate of these accidents.

Why a zero tolerance when dealing with criminals? Why not accept a certain rate of accidental convictions?

Accidents are a part of living, mistakes by the State are a part of living.

If it was arbitrary I have a problem. But if the State and it's agents act in good faith, I don't.

Just like we learn from all mistakes, we learn from these and go on.

280 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:56:57pm

re: #247 buzzsawmonkey

Does that mean that her daughter was being taught anti-Israel conspiracy theories in school?

Charming.

I think my son may have located the problem. Since he was going to a friend's place near the library, I asked him to see if there was anything in the children's or teen's section about Anwar Sadat and to check it out for me. He found a picture book on Sadat and one on the Middle East that he's bringing home tonight. He told me on the phone that , from what he'd looked at, both are deceptively vague and mushy about who killed Sadat. It was a library research project, so.......

The good news is that the neighbor mom is furious. She asked exactly the question you did.

The best that can be said is that her teacher is an ignoramus.

281 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:57:01pm

That's not a knife. This is a knife.
/Crocodile Dundee

282 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:57:42pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, if the Egyptians could drill Anwar, why can't we drill ANWR?

Well I guess dat's a dat.

283 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:58:28pm

re: #265 opinionated

[snip]
On Sadat, Ayman al-Zawahiri was a leader of the group that killed Sadat. Ask mom if the name sounds familair. It should, he is today the number two guy in al-Qaeda

"People who are against peace" indeed.

Here's a pic of Zawahiri behind bars in Egypt, long ago. Caption and article are in German. [Link: www.phoenix.de...]

284 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:59:09pm

re: #250 WhiteRasta

They are both wrong! The Joooooooos killed Sadat...

Everyone knows that.

Not Bush? Couldn't Bush have helped them? I mean, Katrina was his fault.
No. You're right. Bush is realy just a tool of the neo-con Zionist Elders!
You're right! The Jooooooooooooooooooos did it!
/need I?

285 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 5:59:26pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

That was a perfectly good watermelon. Foodist!

286 Dolphin  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:00:13pm

re: #269 goddessoftheclassroom

Fully understand. I think that there would be less accidents if the "punishment" was more strict and actually enforced the existing laws. Hypothetical scenario – would you talk on your cell phone if you knew that you were going to get 10 years in jail if you are involved in an accident (your fault or not)?

OT – can you add a friend of mine to your prayer list? His name is Stan. He is going in for open heart surgery tomorrow morning. He is having a valve replaced. I think that everything will turn out ok. He is young and really good shape, but prayers for him tomorrow morning would be appreciated.

287 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:00:33pm

re: #255 maddogg

You know, I think I've evolved, cause I prefer the lesbian toe sucking videos on Youtube to Holocaust deniers.

As long as this is done tastefully for valid artistic purposes that aid in understanding the character development.

288 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:00:39pm

re: #262 buzzsawmonkey

I'm going to pretend I didn't laugh at that.

289 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:01:11pm

re: #280 wolfie

He found a picture book on Sadat and one on the Middle East that he's bringing home tonight. He told me on the phone that , from what he'd looked at, both are deceptively vague and mushy about who killed Sadat. It was a library research project, so.......

Likely an investigation would discover Saudi funding somewhere in the chain of events that got that book into the library.

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:01:42pm
291 maddogg  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:02:08pm

re: #287 lifeofthemind

As long as this is done tastefully for valid artistic purposes that aid in understanding the character development.

Certainly, and they certainly looked tasty....er tasteful.

292 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:02:19pm

re: #265 opinionated

Saved.
Kuntar! Thanks for making that connection !

293 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:02:51pm

re: #285 Mich-again

The UK's West Midlands Metropolitan Police has already received instructions to prevent the circulation of the knife. A difficult task, seeing as it can be bought online. If anything, the announcement of these measures has probably fuelled the weapon's popularity even more.


Guns would make that knife pretty obsolete but I guess that's out of the question.

294 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:02:58pm

re: #280 wolfie

The best that can be said is that her teacher is an ignoramus.

And a certain Obama voter.

295 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:04:05pm

re: #271 JCM

Escapes...
Who is to say in 10 years courts take a wild swing to left and feel sorry for these lifers?

"JCM" -

GOOD POINT - that is what Democracy is for - not just VOTING - responsibility as well. On my thinking strategically train of thought, I believe that even a Moonbat Administration will NOT free persons not subject to Capital Punishment. Capital Punishment is very FINAL and requires MAKING DECISIONS - Something that a Moonbat Administration would be LOATHE to do. As I think strategically, so do they. I know this because, like David Horowitz, I was once one of them. THEY would prefer NOT to have a Civil War - for one, and only ONE REASON - THEY would LOSE - AND THEY KNOW IT! There lies the "Balance of Power."

-S-

296 Palandine  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:05:51pm

I have a guilty tv pleasure. I watch "Lockup" on MSNBC. they send camera crews into prisons.

The more I watch this show (and on a lefty channel, no less!) the more pro-death penalty I am. Prison has ceased to be a place of orderly punishment, if it ever was. Instead, it's like Escape from New York--the prisoners know every way to game the sytem, and there's no real way for them to be punished.

I believe in hard labor, breaking big rocks into little rocks, 3 hots and a cot. I love Sherriff Joe Arpaio. Lockup shows a lot of guys working out and watching tv, when they're not flashing their gang signs at each other.

Tough prison, and a tough but fair death penalty would do this country some good.

297 wolfie  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:06:28pm

re: #283 abolitionist

Here's a pic of Zawahiri behind bars in Egypt, long ago. Caption and article are in German. [Link: www.phoenix.de...]

Thank you so much! A picture is worth a thousand words!
This little report could end up teaching the girl a lot.........
especialy about kumbaya propaganda.....the things left unsaid.

298 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:06:29pm

Your house stinks...
Toxic chemicals found in common scented laundry products, air fresheners

"Nearly 100 volatile organic compounds were emitted from these six products, and none were listed on any product label. Plus, five of the six products emitted one or more carcinogenic 'hazardous air pollutants,' which are considered by the Environmental Protection Agency to have no safe exposure level," Steinemann said.

No mention of which products were found to be toxic.

299 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:07:17pm

The dipshits who run YouTube are probably afraid if they ban the Islamist, Nazi and Trufer videos, than they might become a target of the fill-in-the-blanks.

300 abolitionist  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:09:51pm

re: #297 wolfie

You're most welcome. You can babelfish it for a translation to English, but Sadat is mentioned in the caption and Al-Qaida in the heading.

301 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:10:26pm

re: #281 Killgore Trout

That's not a knife. This is a knife.
/Crocodile Dundee

"K-T" -

If what I saw as right - THAT IS A KNIFE - and a half!

-S-

302 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:10:28pm

re: #258 HoosierHoops

True, but the left doesn't have the right to turn it into something it isn't.

303 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:11:29pm

re: #260 JCM

Most were multiple offenders that probably would have wound up there anyway.

304 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:11:32pm

re: #280 wolfie

I think my son may have located the problem. Since he was going to a friend's place near the library, I asked him to see if there was anything in the children's or teen's section about Anwar Sadat and to check it out for me. He found a picture book on Sadat and one on the Middle East that he's bringing home tonight. He told me on the phone that , from what he'd looked at, both are deceptively vague and mushy about who killed Sadat. It was a library research project, so.......

The good news is that the neighbor mom is furious. She asked exactly the question you did.

The best that can be said is that her teacher is an ignoramus.

Make a big public stink about it. The Administration gets to bluster and suck fear from the staff. Politicians get to posture and bluff. The teacher gets to savour self pity and martyrdom, probably without really losing her job. The Union gets to arrange meetings and mediation to justify their dues. Consultants get to arrange training sessions, conferences and junkets. Everybody wins, except the students they forgot about.

305 DisturbedEma  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:11:58pm

re: #294 Opinionated

And a certain Obama voter.

For sure. . .and Sadat was killed on the anniversary of the Camp David Piece. . .peace farce, ummm agreement. . .the pens were worth more than the agreement. . .since this "cold peace" only means that they will not dig the smuggle tunnels too big. . .

306 HoosierHoops  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:12:02pm

re: #302 Mars Needs Neocons

True, but the left doesn't have the right to turn it into something it isn't.

True da...100%

307 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:12:38pm

re: #297 wolfie

Thank you so much! A picture is worth a thousand words!
This little report could end up teaching the girl a lot.........
especialy about kumbaya propaganda.....the things left unsaid.

"wolfie"

that picture is PRE-RUG BUMBS - OR - the Cell Bar is hiding it.

-S-

308 JCM  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:13:09pm

re: #295 Dr. Shalit

"JCM" -

GOOD POINT - that is what Democracy is for - not just VOTING - responsibility as well. On my thinking strategically train of thought, I believe that even a Moonbat Administration will NOT free persons not subject to Capital Punishment. Capital Punishment is very FINAL and requires MAKING DECISIONS - Something that a Moonbat Administration would be LOATHE to do. As I think strategically, so do they. I know this because, like David Horowitz, I was once one of them. THEY would prefer NOT to have a Civil War - for one, and only ONE REASON - THEY would LOSE - AND THEY KNOW IT! There lies the "Balance of Power."

-S-

Back when SCOTUS overturned the death penalty and all death sentences where commuted to life. IIRC some former death row inmates did get paroled.

Up thread the name Willy Horton was mentioned. He was on a weekend pass and murdered again.

309 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:13:21pm

This sucks, I really fell behind here. My damn modem started its crap were the pc/activity light started blinking like crazy, and then I couldn't connect to any sites. Tried resetting the connection, no result. Tried resetting the modem, no result. Had to reboot, and reset the modem, then I got back on. This has happened almost every night since I got Bresnan a month or two ago. So far Bresnan hasn't been able to answer why.

310 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:13:29pm

re: #286 Dolphin

{Dolphin}
I'm happy to add him to the list.

Lizards, do any of you have any prayer requests or updates?

311 Dolphin  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:14:00pm

re: #296 Palandine

There is another one called "Parole Board" (I think). Don't remember the channel, but have watched it a couple of times. It is prisoners that are up for parole and they have their say to the board, but so do the victims and victim’s families.

312 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:14:19pm

re: #301 Dr. Shalit

"K-T" -

If what I saw as right - THAT IS A KNIFE - and a half!

-S-

WOW, I want one. No, I don't know why, something in my brain just told me I want one.

313 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:15:10pm

re: #308 JCM

Back when SCOTUS overturned the death penalty and all death sentences where commuted to life. IIRC some former death row inmates did get paroled.

Up thread the name Willy Horton was mentioned. He was on a weekend pass and murdered again.

"JCM" -

Charles Manson is alive due to Furman v. Georgia. Discussion?

-S-

314 Alouette  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:22:47pm

re: #298 Killgore Trout

Your house stinks...
Toxic chemicals found in common scented laundry products, air fresheners

No mention of which products were found to be toxic.

Yeah well, my house smells better than my neighbor's house, which smells like dogshit.

315 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:32:19pm

A rare instance when a "senior Palestinian official" gets it exactly right:

Commenting on Obama's recent statements about his support for a "united Jerusalem", presumably under Israeli control, a senior Palestinian official Wednesday told Haaretz that he advises against taking what presidential hopefuls tell Jewish voters too seriously.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

If only Jews were this smart.

316 tradewind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:33:21pm

re: #294 Opinionated

The NEA is in the tank for Obama... it will be disgustingly interesting to see how far some individual teachers** are willing to go in their zeal to indoctrinate those eighteen year olds who are still sitting in tenth grade.....
**don't start... I know there are many wonderful and dedicated non-moonbat teachers out there... I'm not tawkin' about you....

317 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:36:45pm

re: #316 tradewind

The NEA is in the tank for Obama... it will be disgustingly interesting to see how far some individual teachers** are willing to go in their zeal to indoctrinate those eighteen year olds who are still sitting in tenth grade.....
**don't start... I know there are many wonderful and dedicated non-moonbat teachers out there... I'm not tawkin' about you....

MWAH!

I do have to agree with you about the NEA--I can't stand them--but I have a high regard for my local Association.

318 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:38:08pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

You're lucky. The MEA here is a total dem organ.

319 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:40:06pm

Charles:

The U.S. Presidential Candidates: Cartoons in the Arab Media

[Link: www.adl.org...]

320 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:40:29pm

re: #318 Mars Needs Neocons

Well, so is the PSEA, but my little school district Association is a gem!

321 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:42:17pm
322 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:44:09pm

re: #321 buzzsawmonkey

That prohibition against graphic art certainly doesn't help their cartoonists' skills.

But you can still make out the bad super Jew and his gentile lackeys quite well.

323 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:46:09pm

re: #320 goddessoftheclassroom

Well, so is the PSEA, but my little school district Association is a gem!

My wife gets the MFT (MI AFT) propaganda. Hooboy. When we had a Republican Governor and a Democratic President, they said the Governor was at fault for everything wrong in the Education system. Then after we got a Democratic Governor and a Republican President, Voila! It all became the President's fault.

324 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:46:15pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

You're lucky. The MEA here is a total dem organ.re: #320 goddessoftheclassroom

nice

325 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:47:03pm

re: #322 Opinionated

its that nyt wackjob cartoonist isnt it.

/

326 paradox42  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:53:30pm

re: #319 Opinionated

These cartoons are all ripoffs of old antisemitic crap. Can't the Arab world even come up with original antisemitic crap? Not only are they evil, they're plagiarists.

327 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:55:00pm

re: #325 Mars Needs Neocons

Ted Rall, that's who this reminded me of. I knew his name would pop into my head if I kept obsessing.

328 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 6:58:30pm

Good night, dear Lizards.

329 tradewind  Wed, Jul 23, 2008 7:37:43pm

re: #317 goddessoftheclassroom

You're lucky, and I guess the key word is ' little'.... living in a large urban area, private school was not a luxury, it was a necessity for my kids..... college tuition has been a break!
An example of how screwed up things are here: with money tight, they spent ten thousand dollars on pumpkins for elementary school children to carve for Halloween, and they rotted in trucks because there was a rule that no knives could be allowed on school property or used by children in anyway.
The NEA here is just a Dem political machine that protects the jobs of teachers who hate their jobs, and does nothing to promote teachers who are outstanding and innovative. In fact, those teachers are threatening to the status quo, and receive little recognition.

330 000G  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 6:02:00am

YouTube is filled with this crap. At the channel of holocaust denier Frederick Toben other holocaust deniers like Horst Mahler can spew their hatred against jews as the embodiment of Satan etc. I flagged all of the videos which clearly violate the TOS months ago, but they are all still up there.

331 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 10:48:01am
332 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 24, 2008 10:55:04am

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