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The Creation Museum

Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 6:10:21 pm PST

Before we get to the real point of this post, here’s some background information on the Creation Museum in Kentucky:

The Creation Museum is a 60,000 square foot museum in the United States designed to promote young Earth creationism. The museum presents an account of the origins of the universe, life, mankind, and man’s early history according to a literal reading of the book of Genesis. Its exhibits reject evolution and assert that the Earth and all of its life forms were created 6000 years ago over a six-day period, and that man and dinosaurs once coexisted.

These views disagree with well in excess of 99.9% of the scientists in relevant fields. Also, the museum exhibits are at odds with the vast majority of scientists who accept that the Earth is approximately 4.5 billion years old, and that the dinosaurs became extinct 65.5 million years before human beings arose. The museum has generated criticism by the scientific community, several groups of educators, Christian groups opposed to young Earth creationism, and in the general press.

The museum, which is said to have cost $27 million, is privately-funded through donations to the apologetics ministry Answers in Genesis and opened its doors to the public on May 28, 2007. Based on projections, the museum anticipated 250,000 paying visitors in its first year of operation. According to AiG, within its first month attendance surpassed 100,000 visitors by July 21, 2007 and 200,000 visitors on September 20, 2007. Visitor attendance also exceeded first year expectations only 5 months and 5 days after opening, with a total of 250,000 visitors on November 2, 2007.

The museum was originally marketed as the Creation Museum and Family Discovery Center. It opened in late Spring of 2007 as the “Creation Museum.” The museum is located in Petersburg, Kentucky, near the Greater Cincinnati International Airport on 49 acres of land; the Answers in Genesis main offices are attached to the museum. The facility’s stated mission is to “exalt Jesus Christ as Creator, Redeemer and Sustainer,” to “equip Christians to better evangelize the lost,” and to “challenge visitors to receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord.”

According to the founder of Answers in Genesis, Ken Ham, “One of the main reasons we moved there was because we are within one hour’s flight of 69 per cent of America’s population.” Ham also explains how the idea of the museum originated: “Australia’s not really the place to build such a facility if you’re going to reach the world. Really, America is.” Previously Ham worked for the Institute for Creation Research, which runs a creationist museum in Santee, California, with free admission.

With that introduction, a reader emailed a link to a Flickr photo essay by “astropop,” who visited the Creation Museum with a good camera and a good eye.

Here we see an animatronic cave girl happily coexisting with an animatronic vegetarian allosaur.

Here’s a slideshow of all the pictures. I recommend absorbing the entire message.

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1 Indefatigable  7/23/08 6:12:42 pm reply quote 0

Where to begin...

2 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:12:48 pm reply quote -1

So what? sort of a Jurasic Park thing.

3 lifeofthemind  7/23/08 6:14:57 pm reply quote 4

It's a free country. They can make fools of themselves. Bad for everyone as educational standards decline. This stuff is like Kudzu.

4 Palandine  7/23/08 6:15:37 pm reply quote 2

Goofy, but as long as it's _privately_ funded, I guess I'm not seeing the problem.

There's a "museum" in Wright City, Missouri, dedicated to the proposition that Elvis is alive.

5 WhiteRasta  7/23/08 6:15:55 pm reply quote 0

A museum dedicated to bat-shattery and superstition.

I hope there are no tax dollars being contributed to that. (Yea, right!)

6 Cartman  7/23/08 6:16:18 pm reply quote 0

Damn. I was looking forward to spending a couple of hours here during LGF prime time. This stuff just ain't my cup of tea. Guess I'll come back later. *sigh*

7 mbruce  7/23/08 6:16:40 pm reply quote 2

re: #4 Palandine

Goofy, but as long as it's _privately_ funded, I guess I'm not seeing the problem.

There's a "museum" in Wright City, Missouri, dedicated to the proposition that Elvis is alive.

Wait, what are you trying to tell me?.....

8 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:16:52 pm reply quote -24

Charles,
Stop getting an ulcer over this! Does the ET thing at Universal mean that aliens are here? If people think that buying lottery tix are the way to get rich, so what.
Or you and i could chip in and make an amusement park in, say, CA. We could call it Allah Land and fill it up with interesting amusing things, such as here is the big Mo ordering the execution of whoever, deflowering Aisha, etc..

9 Steffan  7/23/08 6:16:56 pm reply quote 4

Well, it's like the man said:

A fool and his money are soon parted.

10 buzzsawmonkey  7/23/08 6:16:59 pm reply quote 1

I want to know what's in the gift shop.

11 Salamantis  7/23/08 6:17:04 pm reply quote 0

re: #2 grumpy old codger

So what? sort of a Jurasic Park thing.

More like Jurassic Eden...

12 buzzsawmonkey  7/23/08 6:17:50 pm reply quote 7

I want the advertising concession:

"We put the ASS in JurASSic Park!"

13 mbruce  7/23/08 6:18:02 pm reply quote 0

Wait, wait, I though that Elvis was everywhere? I am so confused....

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

14 mossley  7/23/08 6:18:05 pm reply quote 5

And the really sad thing is these people actually believe this nonsense. It's scary how so many people so easily turn off their brains to believe this. Almost as scary as the thought that they vote in our elections.

15 Charles  7/23/08 6:18:18 pm reply quote 1

re: #10 buzzsawmonkey

I want to know what's in the gift shop.

See the slideshow. It's all there.

16 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:19:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #14 mossley

And the really sad thing is these people actually believe this nonsense. It's scary how so many people so easily turn off their brains to believe this. Almost as scary as the thought that they vote in our elections.

Well, these "scary" people may offset the other "scary" people, who really scare me. One of the bennies of a democracy.

17 Charles  7/23/08 6:19:30 pm reply quote 22

re: #8 grumpy old codger

Ulcer-free over here! I think this stuff is interesting, and an important issue, believe it or not.

18 mbruce  7/23/08 6:19:41 pm reply quote 0

re: #8 grumpy old codger

Charles,
Stop getting an ulcer over this! Does the ET thing at Universal mean that aliens are here? If people think that buying lottery tix are the way to get rich, so what.
Or you and i could chip in and make an amusement park in, say, CA. We could call it Allah Land and fill it up with interesting amusing things, such as here is the big Mo ordering the execution of whoever, deflowering Aisha, etc..

Apollo 14 Astronaut says, yeah ET's been here dude
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

19 Tigger2005  7/23/08 6:19:55 pm reply quote 15

re: #4 Palandine

Goofy, but as long as it's _privately_ funded, I guess I'm not seeing the problem.

There's a "museum" in Wright City, Missouri, dedicated to the proposition that Elvis is alive.

Guess you wouldn't see a problem with a stadium sized mosque either, as long as it's constructed with private funds.

Anyway, Charles didn't say there's a "problem." But the existence of such a museum, and its popularity, is a pretty good barometer of the level of scientific ignorance in this country. And frankly, it's a bit scary.

20 CIA Reject  7/23/08 6:20:34 pm reply quote 3

These people are either very naive and are (erroneously) reading the Bible as a history book, or they are cynically Evil and they are mocking Faith.

I'm not sure which, but the article has reminded me that I need to take out the trash so I'll take my leave now

Cheers!

21 Tigger2005  7/23/08 6:20:37 pm reply quote 2

re: #8 grumpy old codger

Charles,
Stop getting an ulcer over this! Does the ET thing at Universal mean that aliens are here? If people think that buying lottery tix are the way to get rich, so what.
Or you and i could chip in and make an amusement park in, say, CA. We could call it Allah Land and fill it up with interesting amusing things, such as here is the big Mo ordering the execution of whoever, deflowering Aisha, etc..

I think you're not supposed to tell Charles what to post on his blog.

23 WhiteRasta  7/23/08 6:21:15 pm reply quote -1

re: #8 grumpy old codger

We could call it La-La Land. We could have a stoning booth and a clitorcetomy clinic and an sword amputation block.

The possibilities are endless....

The acid throwing street, where you get to throw acid in the faces of un-veiled whores.

Mohammed meets Disney!

24 Palandine  7/23/08 6:21:35 pm reply quote 0

re: #7 mbruce

Wait, what are you trying to tell me?.....

Well, it looks like the Wright City one went out of business (The Man probably got to them when they got too close to the truth).

But there's another one in hattiesburg, Mississippi

25 HoosierHoops  7/23/08 6:22:16 pm reply quote 0

It's a museum in Kentucky..
The story line writes itself..
/OK it's the law that Hoosiers have to tease our neighbors

26 Sharmuta  7/23/08 6:22:16 pm reply quote 18

Talk about cognitive disorders- how anyone can believe dinosaurs and human's co-existed is beyond me. Not to offend anyone, but seriously- this is just nuts.

27 mossley  7/23/08 6:22:58 pm reply quote 1

re: #4 Palandine

Goofy, but as long as it's _privately_ funded, I guess I'm not seeing the problem.

There's a "museum" in Wright City, Missouri, dedicated to the proposition that Elvis is alive.

Is anyone trying to get the "Elvis is alive" nonsense taught as fact in public schools?

28 Paul  7/23/08 6:24:16 pm reply quote 6

Why did God kick the dinosaurs off the Ark?

29 paradox42  7/23/08 6:24:22 pm reply quote 3

I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry at this. Maybe both.

30 mossley  7/23/08 6:24:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #16 grumpy old codger

Well, these "scary" people may offset the other "scary" people, who really scare me. One of the bennies of a democracy.


Well, if you want to live in the Dark Ages, that's your problem. The problem for the rest of the country is that you take everyone else down with you.

31 Mich-again  7/23/08 6:24:42 pm reply quote 1

That was truly disturbing. Ignorance at a level I could have only imagined.

32 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:24:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #17 Charles

Charles, I've no doubt that you consider it interesting and important. I just think that, personally, I'm less worried about someone who believes that dinosaurs roamed the earth 10 years ago, versus the "Rage Boy" type who wishes to cut my head off. Right now, "Rage Boy" is, I believe, the greater threat.
I've not been shot at by creationist Bible thumpers. Well, maybe not yet.
And congrats on the no ulcer issue. Thought that the stress of the threats you've advised us of, i.e., changing biking routes, etc., might have had an effect.

33 kansas  7/23/08 6:25:36 pm reply quote 1

re: #28 Paul

Why did God kick the dinosaurs off the Ark?

They ate the others?

34 jaunte  7/23/08 6:25:54 pm reply quote 2

re: #26 Sharmuta

I couldn't find anything in the slide show that explained why the vegetarian dinosaurs were all killed off.

35 Palandine  7/23/08 6:26:14 pm reply quote 1

re: #19 Tigger2005

Guess you wouldn't see a problem with a stadium sized mosque either, as long as it's constructed with private funds.

Well, that's an interesting jump, but if they've got the money and the zoning and the will of the people, there's nothing LEGALLY stopping them, regardless of what I may like. I live a mile from the recently infamous south St. Louis 100-foot prayer tower (update: it's finished and the bottom 10 feet have been painted minty green: a classy combination with the mosque itself, which is a converted 1970s bank building). I don't like it, but apparently it's okay with the neighborhood and the law.

36 Salamantis  7/23/08 6:26:16 pm reply quote 0

This guy belings in deliverance, behind a banjo:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

37 calcajun  7/23/08 6:26:33 pm reply quote 3

Okay, as a Christian, I have to admit I have some loopy brethren. But, I also believe that places like this (and there are some here in CA) that pander to these beliefs--a bit like "Heritage USA" (groan). No matter how hard you try to convince them, they will not let go.

They look at me funny and doubt my salvation if I don't accept the "young Earth" fantasy. Funny thing, faith. They cannot understand that my faith isn't anchored to whether or not carbon dating is accurate. It's based on a certain Jewish carpenter who self-resuscitated 2,000 years ago. Everything else is subject to discussion.

I posted this on another thread, but this is still a great quote:

I tell you Sid, that one of these days we'll look in to our microscope and find ourselves staring right into God's eyes, and the first one who blinks is going to lose his testicles.

-Peter O'Toole in Creator

38 Palandine  7/23/08 6:26:47 pm reply quote 0

re: #27 mossley

You could check in Memphis. ;)

39 Grand Poobah  7/23/08 6:27:11 pm reply quote 0

I see this, and I first frown, because how much money was spent doing this travesty?

My second impulse is to simply say "Well, we can keep the museum, if it's private, and let these people alone with their own beliefs."

I am certainly not condoning this belief, I don't like this sort of thing myself because it implies that faith and science cannot go hand in hand, which is not true.

In any event, I find the whole thing depressing.

40 kansas  7/23/08 6:27:20 pm reply quote 0

re: #34 jaunte

I couldn't find anything in the slide show that explained why the vegetarian dinosaurs were all killed off.


The flood ruined the veggie crop that year.

41 theheat  7/23/08 6:27:37 pm reply quote 0

In my Creation Museum, the dinosaur has already eaten the girl for lunch and is looking for her parents for dinner. I guess my version is a little more exciting, at least from a visitor's standpoint.

I mean, if you're going to do something as ridiculous as the Creation Museum, you may as well pull out all the stops and make it as unbelievable as possible.

(And I think my museum would also sell more tickets.)

42 lifeofthemind  7/23/08 6:27:41 pm reply quote 5

re: #28 Paul

Why did God kick the dinosaurs off the Ark?

Those dinosaurs would get liquored up and start chasing the female staff around at the office Christmas party. It got embarrassing and HR said it was a real liability so Godcorp just had to let all the old dinosaurs go.

43 Killian Bundy  7/23/08 6:27:52 pm reply quote 0

re: #8 grumpy old codger

Does the ET thing at Universal mean that aliens are here?

Well, now that you mention it . . .

Apollo 14 astronaut claims aliens HAVE made contact - but it has been covered up for 60 years

Aliens have contacted humans several times but governments have hidden the truth for 60 years, the sixth man to walk on the moon has claimed.

Apollo 14 astronaut Dr Edgar Mitchell, said he was aware of many UFO visits to Earth during his career with NASA but each one was covered up.

Dr Mitchell, 77, said during a radio interview that sources at the space agency who had had contact with aliens described the beings as 'little people who look strange to us.'

He said supposedly real-life ET's were similar to the traditional image of a small frame, large eyes and head.

Chillingly, he claimed our technology is 'not nearly as sophisticated' as theirs and "had they been hostile", he warned 'we would be been gone by now'.

/so, did they evolve or what?

44 Miss Trixie  7/23/08 6:27:53 pm reply quote 0

Sorry to go OT folks, but I think we needs a laugh.

Ergo, The Price Better Be right!

/Now back to your regularly scheduled mayhem

45 experiencedtraveller  7/23/08 6:27:55 pm reply quote 0

re: #28 Paul

Why did God kick the dinosaurs off the Ark?

It was a class struggle.

/Marx

46 calcajun  7/23/08 6:27:57 pm reply quote 4

re: #25 HoosierHoops

It's down the road from Lynchburg. People go to the Jack Daniels Museum then come here. At which point, they'll buy anything.

47 Killgore Trout  7/23/08 6:28:00 pm reply quote 1

re: #33 kansas

Lol

48 Irish Rose  7/23/08 6:28:40 pm reply quote 1

re: #6 Cartman

Damn. I was looking forward to spending a couple of hours here during LGF prime time. This stuff just ain't my cup of tea. Guess I'll come back later. *sigh*

There are other threads, take your pick.

49 pingjockey  7/23/08 6:29:17 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 calcajunYa can't drink at the Jack Daniels place, unless they changed the law. It is in a dry county. :(

50 Killgore Trout  7/23/08 6:29:24 pm reply quote 1

re: #37 calcajun

I tell you Sid, that one of these days we'll look in to our microscope and find ourselves staring right into God's eyes, and the first one who blinks is going to lose his testicles.


Heh.

51 Mich-again  7/23/08 6:29:30 pm reply quote 3

re: #28 Paul

Good point. If someone really believes the literal translation of Genesis, than what about Genesis 6:19..

And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.

So none of the animal world should have gone extinct from the great flood.

52 HoosierHoops  7/23/08 6:30:12 pm reply quote 1

re: #42 lifeofthemind

Those dinosaurs would get liquored up and start chasing the female staff around at the office Christmas party. It got embarrassing and HR said it was a real liability so Godcorp just had to let all the old dinosaurs go.

that may have been the quote of the day..ding ding..

53 Mars Needs Neocons  7/23/08 6:30:24 pm reply quote 0

Let's not forget this one in South Dakota.

54 jaunte  7/23/08 6:30:30 pm reply quote 0

Has any Creation scientist ever defined the limits of any biblical "kind" other than mankind?

55 Irish Rose  7/23/08 6:30:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #26 Sharmuta

Talk about cognitive disorders- how anyone can believe dinosaurs and human's co-existed is beyond me. Not to offend anyone, but seriously- this is just nuts.

Too many dinosaur flicks.

56 jcm  7/23/08 6:30:49 pm reply quote 2

To all YEC'ers. Get an Interlinear Bible. A Strong's Concordance. Greek and Hebrew Dictionaries.

In Gen. 1:2 (Amplified Bible)
The earth was without form and an empty waste, and darkness was upon the face of the very great deep. The Spirit of God was moving (hovering, brooding) over the face of the waters.

You will find the word was is more properly rendered became.

In the six days of creation the Hebrew word is yowm. Yowm can have different meanings depending on context.

And finally...
Psalm 89:14 (Amplified Bible)
Righteousness and justice are the foundation of Your throne; mercy and loving-kindness and truth go before Your face.
John 17:17 (Amplified Bible)
Sanctify them [purify, consecrate, separate them for Yourself, make them holy] by the Truth; Your Word is Truth
Deuteronomy 32:4 (Amplified Bible)
He is the Rock, His work is perfect, for all His ways are law and justice. A God of faithfulness without breach or deviation, just and right is He.

Given these verses explain how God whose work is perfect, whose Word is truth, whose authority is founded on his righteousness could place falsehoods in His creation.

57 buzzsawmonkey  7/23/08 6:30:50 pm reply quote 0

How long did it take them to build this?

/thinking of the posters here who have demanded that scientists replicate 100 million or so years of evolution in the space of a two-year grant.

58 Palandine  7/23/08 6:31:25 pm reply quote 1

BTW, I don't believe in young-Earth creationism. I just believe if a fool and his money are going to be parted, it's not really my business.

/don't think creationism should be taught in schools.

59 kansas  7/23/08 6:31:27 pm reply quote 1

So a chicken is laying in bed beside an egg smoking a cigarette. The chicken turns to the egg and says, "Well, I guess that answers that question."

60 Salamantis  7/23/08 6:31:55 pm reply quote 3

re: #28 Paul

Why did God kick the dinosaurs off the Ark?

Dinosaurs fart like nose-melting thunder; the stench was quite unbearable in cramped, enclosed spaces...;~)

61 lifeofthemind  7/23/08 6:31:58 pm reply quote 0

re: #52 HoosierHoops

that may have been the quote of the day..ding ding..

Your servant.

62 nyc redneck  7/23/08 6:32:03 pm reply quote 0

looks like they have taken A LOT artist license.
the modern brick wall behind the cave girl and dinosaur in the photo, is rather odd.
but what the heck, i guess anything goes.

63 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:32:17 pm reply quote 0

re: #30 mossley

Dark Ages? Am dragging down others with me? I despise any holier than thous, of any type, ilk or persuasion.
Or did you mean to say that democracy was dragging us down? Could I trust you to judge us?
Creationists haven't YET condemned me to death due to my heritage, religion, etc.. Rage Boy's friends have.
Again haven't been shot at by any creationists that I know of, but I have been shot at by ROPers.

64 buzzsawmonkey  7/23/08 6:32:23 pm reply quote 12

"My folks went to the Creation Museum and all I got was this lousy double helix."

65 calcajun  7/23/08 6:32:47 pm reply quote 0

re: #49 pingjockey

Yes, but can't you buy stuff there? My brother went there for his honeymoon in '79 and loved the tour.

66 Mich-again  7/23/08 6:33:08 pm reply quote 1

I don't mind watching fools and their money part ways. But I do not like that they target the children of the fools.

67 calcajun  7/23/08 6:34:06 pm reply quote 1

re: #62 nyc redneck

It was a beaux arts dinosaur who could afford a bronze age loft

68 Sizzlack  7/23/08 6:34:32 pm reply quote 0

This museum makes creationism look like some wacked out Saturday morning cartoon...
Moses riding a Brontosaurus that has laser cannons fighting Egyptians riding T Rexs that fly.
Oh yea and cave people that live side by side with vicious raptors.

69 nyc redneck  7/23/08 6:34:50 pm reply quote 0

i'm going to love going there. i love these out of the way interesting road side attractions.

70 kansas  7/23/08 6:35:12 pm reply quote 1

re: #59 kansas

So a chicken is laying in bed beside an egg smoking a cigarette. The chicken turns to the egg and says, "Well, I guess that answers that question."

Is this thing on?

71 Alouette  7/23/08 6:35:18 pm reply quote 2

re: #34 jaunte

I couldn't find anything in the slide show that explained why the vegetarian dinosaurs were all killed off.

The meat-eating dinosaurs ate them.

Then the meat-eating dinosaurs died off because of smoking.

72 jcm  7/23/08 6:35:22 pm reply quote 2

re: #68 Sizzlack


Moses riding a Brontosaurus that has laser cannons fighting Egyptians riding T Rexs that fly.


I'd buy tickets for that show!
;-P

73 pingjockey  7/23/08 6:35:24 pm reply quote 0

re: #65 calcajun
I bet you can good deals on 1/2 gals of JD. Yeehaw!

74 Kosh's Shadow  7/23/08 6:35:35 pm reply quote 2

re: #23 WhiteRasta

We could call it La-La Land. We could have a stoning booth and a clitorcetomy clinic and an sword amputation block.

The possibilities are endless....

The acid throwing street, where you get to throw acid in the faces of un-veiled whores.

Mohammed meets Disney!

How would this be different from the Magic Kingdom of Saudi Arabia?
Oh, you'd let Jews in.

75 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:35:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #68 Sizzlack

This museum makes creationism look like some wacked out Saturday morning cartoon...
Moses riding a Brontosaurus that has laser cannons fighting Egyptians riding T Rexs that fly.
Oh yea and cave people that live side by side with vicious raptors.

Well, when Obama gets elected, the meek shall lie down with the raptors.

76 calcajun  7/23/08 6:36:02 pm reply quote 6

re: #68 Sizzlack

It's not a museum! It's the old sets from "Land of the Lost"!

77 irongrampa  7/23/08 6:36:12 pm reply quote 1

Laughable on the face of it, considering that during the age of the dinos, no mammal larger than a rat was able to survive, according to Bakker's book.

78 kansas  7/23/08 6:36:40 pm reply quote 0

re: #60 Salamantis

Dinosaurs fart like nose-melting thunder; the stench was quite unbearable in cramped, enclosed spaces...;~)

Eureka! Global warming.

79 calcajun  7/23/08 6:36:54 pm reply quote 0

re: #77 irongrampa

Any larger and they became dino-poop.

80 pingjockey  7/23/08 6:37:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #75 grumpy old codger

I think that should be the morons shall sup with the murderers.

81 texasjihad  7/23/08 6:37:28 pm reply quote -30

The museum at the Institute For Creation Research in El Cajon ,CA has been around for many years. It makes a very strong case for a young earth- under 10.000 years old. It may be a real news flash but this view is gaining acceptance by many very bright and well educated people. It is also the view of about every scientist before 1880 or so. (We learned much of what we know from those pioneers) This should be a non issue for people who believe in free speech. Why should a naturalist care what others believe about the theory of origins? I do not understand the heat. A naturalists has no credibility whatever with anyone who holds to a view that moral absolutes exists.
Why not pick on a issue that can be supported by real science.

82 nyc redneck  7/23/08 6:37:29 pm reply quote 1

the existence of this place makes me sad.

83 HoosierHoops  7/23/08 6:37:33 pm reply quote 0

re: #77 irongrampa

Laughable on the face of it, considering that during the age of the dinos, no mammal larger than a rat was able to survive, according to Bakker's book.

didn't you see Jurassic park?

84 abolitionist  7/23/08 6:38:16 pm reply quote 2

With a friend, I attended an Answers In Genesis presentation/fundraiser at a local church in VA. It was Nov 2001, IIRC. Ken Ham was one of about 4 speakers. Another was Henry Morris who talked about his pursuit of Noah's Arc, visiting Mt Ararat and other middle east countries, and having been struck by lightning at least once. Morris is currently head of the Institute for Creationist Research.

These guys were slick. Except for Ham, it wasn't all that obvious (to me at the time) that their collective agenda was pushing creationism into our schools.

85 kc8ukw  7/23/08 6:38:27 pm reply quote 1

The creation museum group does talk about dinosaurs on the ark, since many have mentioned that: [Link: www.answersingenesis.org...]

86 jaunte  7/23/08 6:38:28 pm reply quote 1

re: #82 nyc redneck

And this, from the wikipedia article: "In a March 2007 Newsweek poll conducted by Princeton Survey Research Associates International, 48% of respondents agreed with the statement "God created humans pretty much in the present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so."

87 Charles  7/23/08 6:38:34 pm reply quote 5

re: #39 Grand Poobah

I see this, and I first frown, because how much money was spent doing this travesty?

$27 million.

88 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:39:43 pm reply quote -1

re: #87 Charles

Charles, there is no law against ignorance. Wasteful yes, but their money.

89 pingjockey  7/23/08 6:39:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #81 texasjihad
El Cajon also has a museum for alien contacts. Can't think of the name of the group. They'd get on public access late at night with real cheesy(think original Dr. Who special effects) shows. They also had a big ol' cadillac with a flying saucer on it. The Lunarians, IIRC.

90 kansas  7/23/08 6:40:00 pm reply quote -1

re: #81 texasjihad

The museum at the Institute For Creation Research in El Cajon ,CA has been around for many years. It makes a very strong case for a young earth- under 10.000 years old. It may be a real news flash but this view is gaining acceptance by many very bright and well educated people. It is also the view of about every scientist before 1880 or so. (We learned much of what we know from those pioneers) This should be a non issue for people who believe in free speech. Why should a naturalist care what others believe about the theory of origins? I do not understand the heat. A naturalists has no credibility whatever with anyone who holds to a view that moral absolutes exists.
Why not pick on a issue that can be supported by real science.

Praise God, Brother. Get some real science in here.

91 Dark_Falcon  7/23/08 6:40:22 pm reply quote -18

re: #17 Charles

Ulcer-free over here! I think this stuff is interesting, and an important issue, believe it or not.

As long you're careful with this stuff. So I see no harm (and a fair bit of good) in saying this now. After the GOP convention, on the other hand, I'd advise silence on the issue. Creationists are an important part of our coalition, we need their votes.

92 kansas  7/23/08 6:41:00 pm reply quote 1

re: #82 nyc redneck

the existence of this place makes me sad.


What makes me sad is that I am not making any money off of this.

93 dormain  7/23/08 6:41:05 pm reply quote 0

It looks great, actually. Worth a visit.

94 Killian Bundy  7/23/08 6:41:08 pm reply quote 3

re: #82 nyc redneck

the existence of this place makes me sad.

/the existence of San Francisco values will bring our civilization to an end faster

95 cicero05  7/23/08 6:41:46 pm reply quote 0
According to AiG, within its first month attendance surpassed 100,000 visitors by July 21, 2007 and 200,000 visitors on September 20, 2007.

I wonder how many showed up just see what the creationists are trying to sell. I'd go just to see a true cultural oddity.

96 Mich-again  7/23/08 6:41:47 pm reply quote 3

Their kids learn about paleontology by watching The Flintstones.

97 The Shadow Do  7/23/08 6:41:56 pm reply quote 0

I have to admit that seeing this place is funny as hell. It's just plain silly. Sorry, that's just me.

98 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:41:57 pm reply quote 0

re: #93 dormain

It looks great, actually. Worth a visit.

Daddy, are we there yet? (constant complasint of my kids when we were going anywhere.)

99 Mich-again  7/23/08 6:42:27 pm reply quote 4

I kind of want to get liquored up and go inside and heckle all the ridiculous dioramas.

100 lone_wolf_in_illinois  7/23/08 6:42:34 pm reply quote 1

I don't think, in all my years going to Sunday school or church and reading the Bible, do I remember the time line being in one of the pages. In fact, I don't remember that the Bible said that Jesus was born in the year 5,000. In fact, according to the Jewish calendar, it is now the year 5768. There is something fishy going on with the dates. Assumptions, assumptions.

101 jcm  7/23/08 6:42:38 pm reply quote 0

re: #93 dormain

It looks great, actually. Worth a visit.

'kay, doormat, answer my re: #56

102 pingjockey  7/23/08 6:42:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #98 grumpy old codger
And wise ass teenagers on the road to a Mariners game!

103 HoosierHoops  7/23/08 6:43:02 pm reply quote 1

re: #90 kansas

Praise God, Brother. Get some real science in here.

I think the best science website is the dailygalaxy.com great wonderful science...

104 OldLineTexan  7/23/08 6:43:04 pm reply quote 0

re: #96 Mich-again

Their kids learn about paleontology by watching The Flintstones.

Oh crikey! First they tell me the Bible's a book of tall tales written down by the descendants of highly bored nomads. Now you're gonna tell me that Hanna and Barbera lied to me, too?

/

105 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:43:06 pm reply quote 0

re: #99 Mich-again

Barkeep, two beers over here please. And keep them coming!

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  7/23/08 6:43:22 pm reply quote 0

re: #49 pingjockey

Ya can't drink at the Jack Daniels place, unless they changed the law. It is in a dry county. :(

Freakin' interesting tour though.

107 Sharmuta  7/23/08 6:43:31 pm reply quote 6

re: #87 Charles

$27 million.

That's a lot of money. How sad to think the amount of real good that money could have done instead of promoting this ignorance.

108 grumpy old codger  7/23/08 6:43:38 pm reply quote 0

re: #100 lone_wolf_in_illinois

I don't think, in all my years going to Sunday school or church and reading the Bible, do I remember the time line being in one of the pages. In fact, I don't remember that the Bible said that Jesus was born in the year 5,000. In fact, according to the Jewish calendar, it is now the year 5768. There is something fishy going on with the dates. Assumptions, assumptions.

Bishop Usher comes to mind.

109 Crimsonfisted  7/23/08 6:43:47 pm reply quote 0

re: #68 Sizzlack

This museum makes creationism look like some wacked out Saturday morning cartoon...
Moses riding a Brontosaurus that has laser cannons fighting Egyptians riding T Rexs that fly.
Oh yea and cave people that live side by side with vicious raptors.

Gack. Didn't Ralph Bakshi make a movie like that and call it Heavy Metal? I am having visions.

110 Miss Trixie  7/23/08 6:44:26 pm reply quote 0

re: #104 OldLineTexan

Oh crikey! First they tell me the Bible's a book of tall tales written down by the descendants of highly bored nomads. Now you're gonna tell me that Hanna and Barbera lied to me, too?

/

*snicker* :D

111 Charles  7/23/08 6:44:32 pm reply quote 7

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Not sure I agree with you there, Dark Falcon.

112 paradox42  7/23/08 6:44:42 pm reply quote 4

re: #81 texasjihad

I nominate this for most incoherent rant of the day. Do you even know what science is?

113 pegcity  7/23/08 6:44:46 pm reply quote 1

are non insane people allowed to work there?

114 OldLineTexan  7/23/08 6:45:10 pm reply quote -1

re: #107 Sharmuta

That's a lot of money. How sad to think the amount of real good that money could have done instead of promoting this ignorance.

You can say that about a lot of stuff.

Please don't come after me with torches.

115 pingjockey  7/23/08 6:45:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #109 Crimsonfisted
Heavy Metal. Good flic. Saw it in the Philipines at the base theatre for 35 cents. 1983, IIRC.

116 sparrowlake  7/23/08 6:45:52 pm reply quote 2

re: #107 Sharmuta

That's a lot of money. How sad to think the amount of real good that money could have done instead of promoting this ignorance.

Obama raises that in 2 weeks.

117 M. Bensson-Levi  7/23/08 6:46:08 pm reply quote 3

Howdy All,

You're lookin' at a lotta money here folks.

First time I've ever seen so many dinosaurs and jackasses in the same place.

118 texasjihad  7/23/08 6:46:16 pm reply quote -7

re: #90 kansas

Real science is repeatable by definition. Name me any naturalist who has any credible explanation for life. ---not for man but for the beginning of life.

119 Charles  7/23/08 6:46:52 pm reply quote 3

re: #114 OldLineTexan

Please don't come after me with torches.

Isn't that what the townspeople do to Dr. Frankenste