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Obama Speaks in Front of Berlin Monument

Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:07:37 am PDT

Barack Obama’s speech in front of Berlin’s Victory Column is about to begin. Here’s an open thread for it; the crowd looks enormous.

The history of the Victory Column makes it a rather peculiar choice for this speech.

The Victory Column originally stood in Königsplatz (now Platz der Republik), at the end of the Siegesallee (Victory Avenue). As part of the preparation of the monumental plans to redesign Berlin into Welthauptstadt Germania, in 1939, the Nazis relocated the column to its present site at the Großer Stern (Great Star), a large intersection on the city axis that leads from the former Berliner Stadtschloss (Berlin City Palace) through the Brandenburg Gate to the western parts of the city. At the same time, the column was augmented by another 7.5 meters, giving it its present height of 70 meters. The monument survived World War II without much damage. The relocation of the monument probably saved it from destruction, as its old site in front of the Reichstag was destroyed.

Surrounded by a heavily trafficked street circle, pedestrians can reach the column through four tunnels, built in 1941 to plans by Albert Speer.

UPDATE at 7/24/08 10:32:09 am:

How in the world do you give a speech about the fall of the Berlin Wall ... and not even mention Ronald Reagan?

UPDATE at 7/24/08 10:36:57 am:

Obama’s only comment about the American presidents who have spoken in Berlin before him: “I know that I don’t look like the other Americans who’ve previously spoken in this great city.”

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1 Venezuela lover  7/24/08 10:08:26 am reply quote 2

Beer. Where is the Beer. No beer. No Obama.

2 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:08:58 am reply quote 0

Should be gaffe-tastic!

3 Opinionated  7/24/08 10:09:47 am reply quote 11

I have to believe that even many mainstream Democrats are beginning to get sick of this arrogant.....

4 redc1c4  7/24/08 10:09:52 am reply quote 7

finally: a back drop as dense as he is.....

5 pat  7/24/08 10:09:55 am reply quote 13

I doubt Obama is aware of the "victory" for which the monument was named. In fact I doubt Obama knows what side Germany was on In WWII.

6 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:09:56 am reply quote 0

So, what's he going to speak about?

7 jordash1212  7/24/08 10:09:58 am reply quote 3

What is he doing there? He has to get elected first...

8 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:09:58 am reply quote 2

Ist Iraq burnink?

9 karmic_inquisitor  7/24/08 10:10:14 am reply quote 1

There are no mangers in Berlin, so the Victory column made for a substitute.

10 Ford_Prefect  7/24/08 10:10:22 am reply quote 0

Leave it to the Nazi's to make it longer.

11 zombie  7/24/08 10:10:30 am reply quote 7

OK, time for me to log off. I can't take any more. I'm already Obama'd out for today, and it's only 10am!

13 barry the baptist  7/24/08 10:10:41 am reply quote 1

What a schmuck.

14 Teacake!  7/24/08 10:11:06 am reply quote 1

All balls and no substance.

15 karmic_inquisitor  7/24/08 10:11:18 am reply quote 8

re: #8 itellu3times

Ist Iraq burnink?

"Icht bin ein Appeaser!"

16 OldLineTexan  7/24/08 10:11:34 am reply quote 0

re: #1 Venezuela lover

Beer. Where is the Beer. No beer. No Obama.

In heaven there is no beer.

What do you want from the Obamessiah?

17 Iron Fist  7/24/08 10:11:37 am reply quote 14

I'd bet good money Obama doesn't even know the history of the thing. He just heard "Victory Column" and thought that would be the place for him. That it was designed by the Nazis is just happenstance.

18 jcm  7/24/08 10:11:46 am reply quote 1

re: #14 Teacake!

All balls and no substance.

All hat, no cattle.

19 pre-Boomer Marine brat  7/24/08 10:11:47 am reply quote 8

Note to Obama: the Valkyries will come home to roost

20 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:12:05 am reply quote 0

Lighter than air,
Less experienced than springtime,
...


hey Charles my IE6 has the slow-typing bug happening again...

21 Ford_Prefect  7/24/08 10:12:21 am reply quote 0

re: #16 OldLineTexan

In heaven there is no beer.

Then I am not going.

22 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:12:34 am reply quote 1

re: #12 jcm

Early release of contents of speech.

Crying supporters and BallOOONS!

Someone please photoshop Obama's face on her placard, please!

23 Pigtown Water Dog  7/24/08 10:12:35 am reply quote 0

Rush played RWR's famous "tear down this wall" clip, and I got all emo in the car listening to thoat powerful force for good.

I have a feeling I'm going to be overcome with something less than pleasant when I hear the little O's sound bites.

24 shiplord kirel  7/24/08 10:12:38 am reply quote 15

"Ich bin ein beginner!"

25 jcm  7/24/08 10:12:57 am reply quote 0

re: #17 Iron Fist

I'd bet good money Obama doesn't even know the history of the thing. He just heard "Victory Column" and thought that would be the place for him. That it was designed by the Nazis is just happenstance.

The Victory Column is a famous sight in Berlin, Germany. Designed by Heinrich Strack after 1864 to commemorate the Prussian victory in the Danish-Prussian war, by the time it was inaugurated on 2 September 1873 Prussia had also defeated Austria in the Austro-Prussian War (1866) and France in the Franco-Prussian War (1870/1871), giving the statue a new purpose. Different from the original plans, these later victories in the so-called Unification Wars inspired the addition of the bronze sculpture of Victoria, 8.3 meters high and weighing 35 tonnes, designed by Friedrich Drake. Berliners, with their fondness for giving nicknames to famous buildings, call the statue Goldelse, meaning something like "Golden Lizzy".[1]

26 jorline  7/24/08 10:13:03 am reply quote 10

Did Obama grow a little square mustache for this speech?

27 OldLineTexan  7/24/08 10:13:23 am reply quote 0

re: #22 NoSubmission

Crying supporters and BallOOONS!

Someone please photoshop Obama's face

28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/24/08 10:13:27 am reply quote 7

Well, with a rally like this, he'll have the european vote locked down for sure.

Wait a sec...

29 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:13:36 am reply quote 0

listening to Rush, Pelosi says Bush is sitting on oil, the strategic petroleum reserve, "Mr. President, free our oil!"

30 Iron Fist  7/24/08 10:13:44 am reply quote 10

re: #24 shiplord kirel,

That he's a beginner is bad enough. It's what he's beginning that is truly troublesome.

31 OldLineTexan  7/24/08 10:13:53 am reply quote 0

re: #26 jorline

Did Obama grow a little square mustache for this speech?

No, it's the South Park episode variety.

32 arizona9  7/24/08 10:13:54 am reply quote 0

re: #6 NoSubmission

About how great America would be if it were only more like Europe.

33 nyc redneck  7/24/08 10:14:02 am reply quote 5

ich bin ein arsch loch.

34 karmic_inquisitor  7/24/08 10:14:04 am reply quote 0

BTW - Casualty numbers out of Iraq are stunning. 11 deaths this month - 4 are accidents, 2 are bodies recovered from an AQI grave (they were killed by AQI before July), 5 are KIAs.

[Link: icasualties.org...]

35 CIA Reject  7/24/08 10:14:31 am reply quote 0

re: #14 Teacake!

All balls and no substance.

All foam and no beer

/Appropriate to the venue...

36 shiplord kirel  7/24/08 10:14:40 am reply quote 3

Leni Riefenstahl is looking up from hell and saying, "Damn! If I had only been born fifty years later...."

37 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:15:06 am reply quote 2

re: #32 arizona9

About how great America would be if it were only more like Europe.


Yes, after Obama is crowned for life, we will be known as Eurmerica.

New flag, new everything! bunnies and rainbows!

38 Catttt  7/24/08 10:15:09 am reply quote 7

I hope loses his place in the teleprompter.

39 pre-Boomer Marine brat  7/24/08 10:15:38 am reply quote 2

re: #29 itellu3times

listening to Rush, Pelosi says Bush is sitting on oil, the strategic petroleum reserve, "Mr. President, free our oil!"

But the Strategic Petroleum Reserve isn't oil there is.

/buzzsaw not here? ... simply filling in

40 Charles  7/24/08 10:15:40 am reply quote 16

It wasn't designed by the Nazis -- but it was moved to its current location and greatly enhanced by the Nazis.

I've been there, and climbed the stairway to the top.

41 Teacake!  7/24/08 10:16:12 am reply quote 4

I think someone said on the other thread that its rather strange he would visit Israel then go to Hitler's favorite place for a speech.

Was this coincidence? or a little manufactured dig from the puppet's master George Soros?

42 Pigtown Water Dog  7/24/08 10:16:13 am reply quote 0

Hoping for EPIC fail on this.

43 victor_yugo  7/24/08 10:16:49 am reply quote 3

The Fascist Tool Barack Obama

44 OldLineTexan  7/24/08 10:17:04 am reply quote 0

re: #40 Charles

It wasn't designed by the Nazis -- but it was moved to its current location and greatly enhanced by the Nazis.

I've been there, and climbed the stairway to the top.

Is Barack buying the stairway?

45 granitebill  7/24/08 10:17:06 am reply quote 1

OT
Trouble brewing for swiss...
[Link: english.aljazeera.net...]

46 CIA Reject  7/24/08 10:17:10 am reply quote 5

re: #25 jcm

Somewhere out there in cyberspace there has got to be a photograph of Adolf Hitler giving a speech in front of that monument. What a juxtaposition that would make with a picture of BO speaking at the same site....

47 jcm  7/24/08 10:17:19 am reply quote 6

re: #29 itellu3times

listening to Rush, Pelosi says Bush is sitting on oil, the strategic petroleum reserve, "Mr. President, free our oil!"



She's a moron.

Access to the reserve is determined by the conditions written into the 1975 Energy Policy and Conservation Act (EPCA), primarily to counter a severe supply interruption. The maximum removal rate, by physical constraints, is 4.4 million barrels per day (700,000 m³/d). Oil could begin entering the marketplace 13 days after a Presidential order. The Dept. of Energy says that it has about 59 days of import protection in the SPR. This, combined with private sector inventory protection, is estimated to equal 115 days of imports.

We don't have a supply interruption, we have increased demand.

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  7/24/08 10:17:26 am reply quote 11

Will Obama be speaking German or Spanish?

49 WrathofG-d  7/24/08 10:17:35 am reply quote 0

Well all presume that Obam'uh or his staff have any actual useable knowledge of history. Based on past gaffes, statements, and actions, I do not believe this to be the case.

~History not necessary when you are looking forward to Change.

50 Opinionated  7/24/08 10:18:12 am reply quote 16

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Will Obama be speaking German or Spanish?

Esperanto

51 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:18:24 am reply quote 3

re: #49 WrathofG-d

Well all presume that Obam'uh or his staff have any actual useable knowledge of history. Based on past gaffes, statements, and actions, I do not believe this to be the case.

~History not necessary when you are looking forward to Change.

Change the past.

52 victor_yugo  7/24/08 10:18:25 am reply quote 1

re: #20 itellu3times

Lighter than air,
Less experienced than springtime,
...

"Springtime for Obama and Jihad,
Winter for everyone else!"

53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/24/08 10:18:52 am reply quote 1

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Will Obama be speaking German or Spanish?

The international language of UH

54 opnion  7/24/08 10:18:54 am reply quote 0

This is bad. The visuals are going to aid & comfort the U.S moonbat poulation.
Could somebody do a rain dance?

55 OldLineTexan  7/24/08 10:19:07 am reply quote 0

re: #50 Opinionated

Esperanto

One BILLION updings.

56 nyc redneck  7/24/08 10:19:13 am reply quote 5

he has been a fraud on his tour.
no real questions taken or answered. nothing profound said.
uh, uh,uh, uuuh. a buffoon stalking around embarrassing himself.
his huge crowd is comprised of stupid european socialists who hate america.
let them keep b.o.

57 jcm  7/24/08 10:19:17 am reply quote 4

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - Casualty numbers out of Iraq are stunning. 11 deaths this month - 4 are accidents, 2 are bodies recovered from an AQI grave (they were killed by AQI before July), 5 are KIAs.

[Link: icasualties.org...]

The surge is a failure, we are losing and need to get out.
/Obama, Pelousy, Mutha(fucke)r

58 Iron Fist  7/24/08 10:19:25 am reply quote 3

re: #25 jcm,

I was going on the

Surrounded by a heavily trafficked street circle, pedestrians can reach the column through four tunnels, built in 1941 to plans by Albert Speer.


But what does it tell you that he would choose a place dedicated to the military victories of Prussia while he remains opposed to American victory in Iraq?

No, my bet is he doesn't know the history of the monument. He just thinks it sounds cool. It'll be a good place for the citizens of Berlin to adore him, which is what this particular excercize is about, aanyway.

59 jorline  7/24/08 10:19:25 am reply quote 0

While Obama is in Germany...McCain is suffering from altitude sickness in the Mile High City....he's meeting who? He must be high!

60 arizona9  7/24/08 10:19:36 am reply quote 1

re: #37 NoSubmission

Kittens! Chocolate rivers and gum drop smiles!

God, not even dripping sarcasm is making me feel better. Forget the Advil, where's the vodka?

61 BingoBunny  7/24/08 10:19:40 am reply quote 0

Heil Obama

62 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:19:54 am reply quote 2

re: #54 opnion

This is bad. The visuals are going to aid & comfort the U.S moonbat poulation.

t'saright, it's pissing off pretty much everyone else.

63 red satellite  7/24/08 10:20:15 am reply quote 2
The monument survived World War II without much damage.

Yah...but the pigeons...uh...not so much.

64 JamesTKirk  7/24/08 10:20:16 am reply quote 3

re: #3 Opinionated

I have to believe that even many mainstream Democrats are beginning to get sick of this arrogant.....

Most of them will still see him as the lesser of two evils and vote for him anyway despite all his flaws.

After all, that's exactly why most of the people here are voting for McCain.

65 Catttt  7/24/08 10:20:45 am reply quote 4

Bet he had to bite his tongue to keep from callling Chancellor Merkel "sweetie."

66 sattv4u2  7/24/08 10:20:53 am reply quote 0

'I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.

I think DUAL Citizenship should be illegal.

BARRY, pick one ! USA, or World ! (please please please, if there is a God in heaven !)

67 jcm  7/24/08 10:20:53 am reply quote 2

re: #58 Iron Fist

,

I was going on the


But what does it tell you that he would choose a place dedicated to the military victories of Prussia while he remains opposed to American victory in Iraq?

No, my bet is he doesn't know the history of the monument. He just thinks it sounds cool. It'll be a good place for the citizens of Berlin to adore him, which is what this particular excercize is about, aanyway.

The plaza was built by the Nazi and the statue move to the present column.

And yes he is the clueless one.

68 Ben Hur  7/24/08 10:21:08 am reply quote 0

Any live feed?


OT:

While online Republicans chase the allure of punditry and commentary, Democrats and progressives are pursuing old-fashioned shoe-leather reporting, in a fashion reminiscent of 2004. Back then, the Drudge Report and other lesser-known conservative portals played a key role in defining John Kerry and pushing back against criticism of George W. Bush, such as when conservative bloggers debunked documents purportedly related to the president’s Air National Guard service.

Lesser known? LESSER KNOWN?!?!?!?!?!

LGF gets no love.

GOP losing the new-media war

69 jorline  7/24/08 10:21:10 am reply quote 0

re: #40 Charles

It wasn't designed by the Nazis -- but it was moved to its current location and greatly enhanced by the Nazis.

I've been there, and climbed the stairway to the top.

Hitler's Stairway To Heaven?

70 WrathofG-d  7/24/08 10:21:31 am reply quote 0

Why is the guy who told us that "we cannot run our air-conditioners at 72" and "use our S.U.V.s", flying around the World in a Huge Oil guzzling plane?

other O Force One News: The Plane Crashed Into Another Plane Allready

~all following "Airplane" and "Speaking Jive" comments will be considered Racist. /psych!

71 Venezuela lover  7/24/08 10:21:36 am reply quote 3

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - Casualty numbers out of Iraq are stunning. 11 deaths this month - 4 are accidents, 2 are bodies recovered from an AQI grave (they were killed by AQI before July), 5 are KIAs.

[Link: icasualties.org...]

Pray that casualties continue declining.

72 Vergeltung  7/24/08 10:21:42 am reply quote 8

silly euro-wienies, supporting him like he's a rock star. pathetic.

73 Teacake!  7/24/08 10:21:47 am reply quote 3

It would be interesting to see the behind the scenes manufacturing process for this guy and how all the decisions are made and studied. Must be a few ex MTV people on staff at the very least.

74 victor_yugo  7/24/08 10:21:49 am reply quote 0

re: #63 red satellite

Yah...but the pigeons...uh...not so much.

Maybe not cleaning it for the past two weeks was Germany's way of saying "no way José".

75 opnion  7/24/08 10:21:57 am reply quote 0

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Will Obama be speaking German or Spanish?

Esperanto. He is an inclusive lightworker.

76 freedomplow  7/24/08 10:22:00 am reply quote 1

OBAMA Lures Massive German Crowd With Rock Bands, Brats & Beer

HERE's a video of a Raemonn rock concert to give you an idea of what kind of crowd you might expect today.

77 buzzsawmonkey  7/24/08 10:22:16 am reply quote 6

re: #15 karmic_inquisitor

"Icht bin ein Appeaser!"

"Ich bin ein pissant."

78 arizona9  7/24/08 10:22:18 am reply quote 0

Omg! He's doing a dramatic walk up! I'm not going to last 2 minutes.

79 Power Armored Lizardoid  7/24/08 10:22:25 am reply quote 10

Is it just me, or is this kind of election world tour unprecedented? I don't even remember that slimeball Clinton pulling this crap before he was elected. This guy has a lot of guts...

What the crap do I care how much he's loved overseas (especially Europe and in Muslim countries) ? Anything they love, I am inclined to dislike automatically...

80 Alouette  7/24/08 10:22:31 am reply quote 10

Ich bin ein Scheißkopf!

81 trailortrash  7/24/08 10:23:00 am reply quote 0

here we go

82 debutaunt  7/24/08 10:23:05 am reply quote 1

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The international language of UH

Give him some credit. He has also mastered UM.

83 victor_yugo  7/24/08 10:23:08 am reply quote 1

re: #66 sattv4u2

'I come to Berlin as so many of my countrymen have come before. Tonight, I speak to you not as a candidate for President, but as a citizen -- a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.

As Paul Harvey is fond of saying, it is not one world.

84 newsjunkie_ky  7/24/08 10:23:36 am reply quote 0

re: #22 NoSubmission
The obama phallic speech.

85 Tumulus11  7/24/08 10:23:42 am reply quote 0

. Once he's whipped the crowd into a frenzy, Obama will ask if they're ready for total war against climate change.

86 Ben Hur  7/24/08 10:23:52 am reply quote 9

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I come here to tell you that AMERICA SUCKS.

Please like me!

Thank you, good night.

87 opnion  7/24/08 10:24:17 am reply quote 0

re: #62 itellu3times

t'saright, it's pissing off pretty much everyone else.

I think so. Even some of the media pom squad are starting to notice that he is an egomaniac.

88 buzzsawmonkey  7/24/08 10:24:22 am reply quote 0

re: #39 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But the Strategic Petroleum Reserve isn't oil there is.

/buzzsaw not here? ... simply filling in

Is that oil there is?
If that's oil there is, my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the overpriced ethanol
If that's all
There is.

89 Teacake!  7/24/08 10:24:27 am reply quote 0
a proud citizen of the United States, and a fellow citizen of the world.

DID he really say that? I don't have a TV. If so, that's a sure sign he's part of the one world order, and even though it sounds paranoid, despite all the evidence, islam is the chosen ideology. This is too creepy!

90 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:24:28 am reply quote 3

re: #86 Ben Hur

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I come here to tell you that AMERICA SUCKS.

Please like me!

Thank you, good night.

Take my wife, PLEASE!

91 Charles  7/24/08 10:24:30 am reply quote 6

Identity politics right away!

92 Catttt  7/24/08 10:24:33 am reply quote 0

Doesn't look the same? He's a man - looks the same to me.

93 arizona9  7/24/08 10:24:34 am reply quote 1

'Fellow citizen of the world'.

That's it, I'm done. I'll read your comments. I just can't listen to it. I was wrong, I lasted 10 seconds.

94 Charles  7/24/08 10:24:40 am reply quote 8

Ululululululu!

95 sattv4u2  7/24/08 10:24:46 am reply quote 2

cheers for the goat herding father ~!

WTF !

96 trailortrash  7/24/08 10:24:47 am reply quote 0

damn ulaulaulas LOL

97 Charles  7/24/08 10:25:04 am reply quote 1

A Kenyan ululation.

98 buzzsawmonkey  7/24/08 10:25:14 am reply quote 7

re: #91 Charles

Identity politics right away!

Why not? He's in a land once famous for its identity cards, and demands to "see your papers."

99 sattv4u2  7/24/08 10:25:14 am reply quote 0

re: #89 Teacake!

see my #66

100 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:25:25 am reply quote 2

is this on tv?

101 nyc redneck  7/24/08 10:25:31 am reply quote 0

they are roaring at the citizen of the world shit.

102 Iron Fist  7/24/08 10:25:31 am reply quote 1

re: #91 Charles,

But I thought he was the new post-racial candidate. I'm sooooo disappointed.

103 EC Marm  7/24/08 10:25:32 am reply quote 0

I'm not impressed with the crowd size.

104 Teacake!  7/24/08 10:25:39 am reply quote 0

Okay, speech on Rush.... turning this into a racial thing first thing off the bat.

105 Ben Hur  7/24/08 10:25:42 am reply quote 2

I need a live feed, people.

106 pre-Boomer Marine brat  7/24/08 10:25:45 am reply quote 2

re: #88 buzzsawmonkey

Is that oil there is?
If that's oil there is, my friends, then let's keep dancing
Let's break out the overpriced ethanol
If that's all
There is.

Whatta gas! I knew that'd get you cracking.

107 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:25:48 am reply quote 0

what channel?

108 Angus Day  7/24/08 10:25:50 am reply quote 0

Oh Dear - he's a "citizen of the world"...

109 nigella  7/24/08 10:25:55 am reply quote 5

"I come to you not as a politician, but as a proud citizen of the World, and the new over-lord of what was once known as the United States."

110 Ornery Ballsack  7/24/08 10:25:55 am reply quote 0

Somebody (PBUH) answered his father's prayer.

111 jorline  7/24/08 10:25:57 am reply quote 3

re: #76 freedomplow

112 Ben Hur  7/24/08 10:25:59 am reply quote 0

re: #100 NoSubmission

is this on tv?

It's the reason for tv.

113 Opinionated  7/24/08 10:26:03 am reply quote 1

My blood pressure is rising with every word.

114 trailortrash  7/24/08 10:26:05 am reply quote 0

listening to rush too :)

115 Erik The Red  7/24/08 10:26:07 am reply quote 0

He brings his race into the speech after ten thousand thank you's! God help us

116 Iron Fist  7/24/08 10:26:10 am reply quote 0

re: #101 nyc redneck,

He really said that? I thought that was just snark!

117 Eric Cartman's Conscience  7/24/08 10:26:19 am reply quote 0

Obama just received a real-live ululation for his father being a goatherder from Kenya and the crowd went wild - for the ululation.

118 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:26:39 am reply quote 0

rubble built into a wall?

119 jcm  7/24/08 10:27:01 am reply quote 10

re: #108 Angus Day

Oh Dear - he's a "citizen of the world"...

The why the fu*k is he running for President of The United States of America!

120 JamesTKirk  7/24/08 10:27:12 am reply quote 0

re: #97 Charles

A Kenyan ululation.

Forget Norway.

121 Eric Cartman's Conscience  7/24/08 10:27:17 am reply quote 0

If Obama mentions Reagan and gets applause for it - even I'll vote for the guy!

122 Wendya  7/24/08 10:27:19 am reply quote 0

He is NOT there as a citizen. His campaign organized and paid for this speech.

123 Russkilitlover  7/24/08 10:27:20 am reply quote 0

Speaking in front of the Victory Column, which was erected after three wars of agression by Prussia/Germany. There he goes with that dubious judgement again.

124 trailortrash  7/24/08 10:27:23 am reply quote 1

i hope rush doesnt stop criticing the speech, he is ripping it to shreds lol

125 J.S.  7/24/08 10:27:32 am reply quote 0

yeah, where's the ululating? The crowd does appear large...(also, off topic slightly, the Victory Column was/is Prussian...topped with the figure of Borussia..)

126 buzzsawmonkey  7/24/08 10:27:46 am reply quote 0

re: #119 jcm

re: #108 Angus Day

Oh Dear - he's a "citizen of the world"...

The why the fu*k is he running for President of The United States of America!

Stepping stone to higher office.

127 NoSubmission  7/24/08 10:27:49 am reply quote 0

CNN, it figures..

128 itellu3times  7/24/08 10:27:56 am reply quote 0

re: #105 Ben Hur

I need a live feed, people.

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

129 opnion  7/24/08 10:27:57 am reply quote 0

The reicarnation of Saladin in Eurabia.

130 Opinionated  7/24/08 10:27:58 am reply quote 0

Anyone want to bet?

Does he complement Reagan for winning the Cold War?