aahhh CAIR....

you can tell Hooper's lying if his mouth is moving

CAIR -- lying?

It's a first!

Oh wait, I meant:

CAIR -- not lying?

It would be a first.

CAIR---All the lies we can fit.
Charles, noticed no bitchin' about the last 3 threads.

So CAIR flacks lie. That's news?

Thank you for this thread, Charles.

We cannot let them

Re-invent History, rewrite what happened on 9/11 and on 2/93 (The First Attack on our World Trade Center).

re: #5 taxfreekiller

CAIR LIES
OBAMA LIES
THE MSM LIES
THE AP LIES
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LIES

THERE IS A PATTERN

Lying liars and the lies the lying liars lie about....

BTW, would a lying liar be telling the truth?

re: #5 taxfreekiller

CAIR LIES
OBAMA LIES
THE MSM LIES
THE AP LIES
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY LIES

THERE IS A PATTERN

Anyone who has a problem with reality will lie.

And I have to go to the bank and deposit my paycheck before the Big B.O. starts up the printing presses.

Things are closing in around them. They used to just have to tell half-truths and spin. They could get away with it because people weren't informed.

Now they must directly lie because people are informed enough to ask the direct questions.

I remember Sami Al-Arian claiming he had "FBI clearance". But what he meant was that he had been investigated by the FBI for a crime, and they had decided at the time there was not enough to charge him (i.e., he was "cleared"). A far cry from FBI clearance as most people understand the term.

Hoopie, ya' shit-slinging monkey!

We see you!

he can say what he wants to infidels.
fcker.

I just got ahold of another moonbat book today "challenging" the accepted wisdom and official version of what happened on 9/11.

Trying to put a serious, sage veneer on rank Truthism and conspiracy theory-itis.

The Left used to be swirling down the toilet. Now all one hears is the gurgling deep down in the pipe.

Hooper, you are an ass muffin.

re: #7 Cicero05

So CAIR flacks lie. That's news?

* * *
Many Americans haven't gotten the word yet, so yes,
it is news to many Americans that the Council to lie about American-Islamic Affairs, is lying.

Taqiyya is still not a word every American understands.

Disinformation, taqiyya, is a concept we all should know by know because it is deployed against us and our troops every day.

Our troops surged in Iraq (TRUE).
versus
Iraqis liberated themselves and there is no Al Qaeda in Iraq (taqiyya)

re: #12 MandyManners

Hoopie, ya' shit-slinging monkey!

We see you!

Hi, {MandyManners}!

CAIR and Lies in the same headline is redundant.

I've been waiting for one of Hooper's interminable taqiyafests to turn into one of the speeches from Dr. Strangelove, where Hooper is trying to calm the stupid dhimmis, but all the while his robotic hand keeps trying to strangle him, or set off his suicide vest.

re: #11 Silhouette

Things are closing in around them. They used to just have to tell half-truths and spin. They could get away with it because people weren't informed.

Now they must directly lie because people are informed enough to ask the direct questions.

I remember Sami Al-Arian claiming he had "FBI clearance". But what he meant was that he had been investigated by the FBI for a crime, and they had decided at the time there was not enough to charge him (i.e., he was "cleared"). A far cry from FBI clearance as most people understand the term.

* * *
Yet CAIR is smart enough to go on FOX news to spin their taqiyya.

CAIR is smarter than Democrats, because CAIR wants to speak to all Americans and spread their disinformation worldwide.

re: #17 goddessoftheclassroom

Hiya'!

He was not an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center

If we analize this for nuance, Hooper is perfectly correct. Assume that, by chance, Wahhaj was in the WTC during 1993. He was not an unindicted co-conspirator at that time, therefore he was not "an unindicted co-conspirator in the 1993 World Trade Center."

Now, let us go FURTHER and analize Hooper himself ...

/yes, let's do

re: #22 pre-Boomer Marine brat
Hooper is a large anal orifice.

re: #14 zombie

The Left used to be swirling down the toilet. Now all one hears is the gurgling deep down in the pipe.

Delicious metaphor!

/... uh ... well ... yu' know what I meant.

Steve Malzburg had a guest on this week re this issue, and he said this guy is indeed a dangerous islamist for the things he has said, but, that the prosecutor at the time agreed that the guy was indeed not an un-indicted co-conspirator for that 1990s case.

wish I could remember the guest and name...sorry.

Here is the full list of unindicted coconspirators in the 1993 WTC Bombing:

All Counsel of Record Re: US v. Omar Ahmad Ali Abdel Rahman, et al. (S5) 93 Cr. 181 (MBM)

Ladies and Gentlemen:

Enclosed is a list of unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators. The list is not exhaustive and, as is always the case, the government's investigation is continuing........ If we discover missing names they will be added.

Very truly yours,

Mary Jo White, US Attorney

Signed by Andrew C. McCarthy, Assistant US Attorney
cc: Honorable Michael B. Mukasey, US District Judge

1 Ahmed Muhammad Aasran
2 Mohammed Yousef Abbas
3 Jamal Abdelgani
4 Mohammed Hassan Abdou
5 Emad Abdou
6 Amad Elden Abdou
7 Abdalhele A. Abwalannen
8 Dawud Adib
9 Hosni Ahmed
10 Mohssen Ahmed
11 Nasser Al Din Alamani
12 Majdi Alghamrawi
13 Hekmat Alhadashek
14 Abd Al Hafez Mustafa Ali
15 Atif Ahmed Ali
16 Hamdi Ali
17 Samy Ali
18 Sharif Ali
19 Mike Alkam
20 Bilal Alkasi
21 Hassan Karim Allah
22 Abu Abdullah
23 Othman Abdullah
24 Abu Abdulla Alnagar
25 Raef Alwishe
26 Saleem Amin
27 Hiam Arazy
28 Mustafa Assad (Boriqua)
29 Moneeb Ashraf
30 Mohammed Atiyah
31 Sami Atiya
32 Amin Awad
33 Mona Awad
34 Abdellah Azzam
35 Mohammed Azzam
36 Ahab Ashraf Abdul Azziz
37 Hasab el Rasoul Mohamed Babiker
38 Abdul Basir (Tito)
39 Ahmed Bilal
40 Adnan Constantine
41 Fawaz Damra
42 Ahmed Al Dalta Daota
43 Halim Abul Efni
44 Moustafa Elaebrak
45 Mahmud Elder
46 Nimmer Elder
47 Ahmed Mansour El-Eslah
48 Ali El-Gabrowny
49 Mohammed El-Gabrowny
50 Ahmed Elganainy
51 Moustafa Mohamed Elnore
52 Ali Al Faqueer
53 Shawki Abd Al Fariz
54 Umar Faruqq
55 Abu Al Walid Gizeh
56 Abdel Hafez
57 Sahied Hahmad
58 Mohamed Ahmed Al Haj
59 Isam Abdul Hakim
60 Saad Hanafi
61 Esteshamel Haque
62 Quazi Haque
63 Hameed LNU
64 Hesham El Hamamey
65 Hammid Hammid
66 Jack Hamrick
67 Mohammed Al Hanooti
68 Fathy M. Hassan
69 Sabri Hassan (John Kinard)
70 Ibrahim Higazi
71 Nasser Homosany
72 Khalid LNU
73 Alaa Ibrahim
74 Khalid Ibrahim
75 Mamdouh Ibrahim
76 Muhammad Shawqi Islambouli
77 Abdel Rahman Ja'afar
78 Al Sayyid Sami Jamal
79 Mahir Al Jamal
80 Kamal Al Jayh
81 Ali Abdul Kareem
82 Ahmed Kazalek
83 Abdel Khalek
84 Walid Khalid
85 Yah Yah Ibn Khalid
86 Muhammed Khalifa
87 Ashraq Kahlil
88 Samir Khalil
89 Abd Al Khaliq
90 Atif Mahmood Khan
91 Ahmed Khatteria
92 Tareq Khatteria
93 Lawrence L. Khidr
94 Y'aqub Kursam
95 Osama Bin Ladin
96 Khalil Lahoud
97 Yousef Maani
98 Mokhtar Mahmoud
99 Adel Mahroud
100 Hamam Sayeed Mahseen
101 Ahmed Abd Al Majeed
102 Abd Al Manam
103 Abd Al Halimi Mansour
104 Said Mansour
105 Hassan El Mansouri
106 Safullah McNeil
107 Ahmed Megali
108 Mohamed Mehdi
109 Ali A. Mohamed
110 Arioua Mostafa
111 Adel Said Mohammed
112 Ashraf Mohammed
113 Mouaki Benani Mohammed
114 Mohmoud Mohmoud
115 Hassan Mousa
116 Mohammed Mousa
117 Sami Mousa
118 Ahmed H. Moustafa
119 Assan Muhammad
120 Hanif Muhammad (Abu Hanif)
121 Moustafa Muhammad
122 Ahmed Muneer
123 Daniel Murteza
124 Raymond Murteza
125 Hamdi Musa
126 Omar Mohammed Musa
127 Majed Mustafa
128 Adel El Nasser
129 Mustafa Dauod Mustafa Nassar
130 Walid Abu Al-Noor (Waleed A. Noor)
131 Kamal Muhamad Omar
132 Bilal Phillips
133 Fatahi Qoura
134 Nabig Ragab
135 Mikial Abdur Rahim (Richard Smith)
136 Nabir Abu Abd Al Rakhi
137 Frank Ramos
138 Abu Obaida Rouas
139 Yehyeh Sabor
140 Hussein Saffan
141 Mustafa Saif
142 Saifuldin
143 Tharwat Saleh
144 Tariq Mustafa Salem
145 Muhammad Samir
146 Ahmed Samy (Samy Mohammed Ali)
147 Ahmed Abdel Sattar
148 Sabir Shakir
149 Mustafa Shalabi
150 Mustafa Al Shareef
151 Hisham Al-Shihuri
152 Ali El Shinawi
153 Osama El Shinawi
154 Kelvin Smith
155 Abu Suliman
156 Yahya Abu Ubaidah
157 Abdul Wahhab
158 Sirraj Wahhaj
159 Sudanese Mission to the United Nations
160 Abdul Wali
161 Madha Warda
162 Seraj LNU
163 Shawkat M. Wehidy
164 Khalid Younis
165 Nasser Younis
166 Ahmed Yousef
167 Mahmud Yousef
168 Yousef Bin Yousef
169 Zakariah
170 Badre Zhony
171 Ahmed Zidan

re: #23 pingjockey

Hooper is a large anal orifice.

The two-legged one is, no doubt about it.
However, I know a beautiful, bouncy, delightful chocolate labrador, seven months old, called 'Hooper' - now he is lovely!

re: #23 pingjockey

Hooper is a large anal orifice.

Seriously, I sometimes wonder if he's aware that he's telling lies. He might not be, which is scarey as hell.

re: #3 zombie

CAIR -- lying?

It's a first!

good thing you got the #3 post
Charles would have had to delete you for using the sacred word in the first comment

Depends on the meaning of the word "was"

Hoopie before his morning coffee.

re: #27 lawhawk

Here is the full list of unindicted coconspirators in the 1993 WTC Bombing:

Sudanese Mission to the UN?

Ah.

re: #27 lawhawk

Is Ali like Smith here or are those Alis kin?

how many of Mobama's internet donations can be traced to CAIR operatives' use of pre-paid Visa cards
the kind anyone can buy at the grocery store....

answer, none
they are untraceable
brilliant !

the Muslims finally invented something after all these centuries

re: #27 lawhawk

nice find. I could have sworn I heard to the contrary on Steve Malzberg's show this week. Guess I misheard it, or the guest was wrong...

Charles,

I wouldn't be surprised if Imam Siraj Wahhaj was an unindicted co-conspirator, but I wouldn't cite wikipedia as your source. I'd find an official doccument listing him as one, or a government site. You can at least be sure in those cases.

"By God and man dishonoured,
By death and life made vain,
Know ye the old barbarian,
The barbarian come again—
"When is great talk of trend and tide,
And wisdom and destiny,
Hail that undying heathen
That is sadder than the sea.

"In what wise men shall smite him,
Or the Cross stand up again,
Or charity or chivalry,
My vision saith not; and I see
No more; but now ride doubtfully
To the battle of the plain."

.

Russia's Izvestia newspaper this week quoted a "highly placed source" as saying Russia could land Tu-160 supersonic bombers nicknamed "White Swans" in Cuba in response to a planned U.S. missile defense shield in Europe that Moscow opposes.

On Tuesday, U.S. Air Force Gen. Norton Schwartz told the U.S. Senate Armed Services Committee that if the Russians did refuel the bombers in Cuba "we should stand strong and indicate that that is something that crosses a threshold, crosses a red line for the United States of America."

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

re: #39 akak

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

let them have a couple bombers down there
it is just posturing/face-saving

they can be shot down easily
and what good in there in trying to bomb, say Miami (since they would get no farther north)
when the fallout would drift back down over Havana

OT-For all us former military, another snafu/fubar at Minot AFB. Something to do with launch codes. The blood is gonna be waist deep.

re: #39 akak
The frakkin' Russian military right now is a joke.

re: #37 JohnDakota
See 27.

re: #41 pingjockey

OT-For all us former military, another snafu/fubar at Minot AFB. Something to do with launch codes. The blood is gonna be waist deep.

Uh oh.

At the height of the Cold War, my father decided, like so many others in the forgotten corners of the world, that his yearning – his dream – required the freedom and opportunity promised by the West. And so he wrote letter after letter to universities all across America until somebody, somewhere answered his prayer for a better life. - BHO, in Berlin

...and then, as soon as he got his free education, knocked up a local girl and found he was punished with a baby, he split back to Kenya, wrote Marxist essays, got cushy job in the gov't and never sent so much as a dime to my mom. But at least he hated America!

(...the part Obama left out)

re: #41 pingjockey

OT-For all us former military, another snafu/fubar at Minot AFB. Something to do with launch codes. The blood is gonna be waist deep.

In LeMay's SAC that shit would never would have happened.

A Cold War Legacy, A Tribute to Strategic Air Command, 1946-1992 An encyclopedic history of SAC, excellent resource.

re: #42 ploome hineni

No.. it's JohnDakota.. and citing wikipedia as a primary source is a horrible practice.

If Charles wants to lower the quality of evidence on LGF to the level of Dean Esmay (for example), then by all means cite wikipedia. I'm just saying it's a horrible reference as a primary piece of evidence.

re: #47 jcm
Cool. Did you ever see the Jimmy Stewart movie about SAC?

re: #49 pingjockey

Cool. Did you ever see the Jimmy Stewart movie about SAC?

I love that movie.
You have to see the opening sequence of the -36 lifting off on a wide screen, the TV version they cut the wings off.

re: #41 pingjockey

OT-For all us former military, another snafu/fubar at Minot AFB. Something to do with launch codes. The blood is gonna be waist deep.

Indeed.

Airmen at Minot Air Force Base, N.D., lost “positive control” of the launch codes for the 91st Space Wing’s intercontinental ballistic missiles July 12, Air Force Times has learned.

The “permissive action codes,” kept in a locked case, are needed to initiate the electronic system that allows missile officers to launch the nation’s ICBMs and are changed on a regular basis. They are kept in a locked case. The president also receives launch codes, and both sets are required to launch the nation’s ICBMs.

Three missile officers had completed the process of changing the codes for the system, down in the missile silo, and had returned topside to the silo’s living area for missile officers and security forces airmen, which includes beds, a kitchen, bathroom and other amenities, according to Col. Dewey Ford, a Space Command spokesman. While waiting to bring the action codes back to base, all three officers fell asleep — a loss of positive control in nuclear surety lingo.

When they woke up, the officers reported the incident. Ford said public safety was never at risk

What's the difference between Ibrahim Hooper and a glass wrench?
One's a transparent tool...

re: #50 jcm
That was an immense airplane!

re: #41 pingjockey

Here's a linky.

re: #41 pingjockey

Do you have a link?

Why are we citing WIkI as the main source of info in this case? ?

Wikipedia?

I. Hooper has the Chas Manson look in his eye.

re: #41 pingjockey

OT-For all us former military, another snafu/fubar at Minot AFB. Something to do with launch codes. The blood is gonna be waist deep.

What happened? Someone use launch codes for the lottery?

re: #51 lawhawk

_{oog. Less than a minute difference.}

re: #51 lawhawk
Those 3 boys are hosed. Probably what, 1st Lts or Captains? For you salts that is LTjg and LTs..

re: #53 pingjockey

That was an immense airplane!

Here's the TV version of the movie clip. The wide screen you get the full wing span.

re: #55 Bubblehead II
Nah look up thread. Was on FNC. Plus I be linky challenged. Need to figure it out! :(

Wikipedia?

You've got to be kidding me. Can anyone find a reliable source?

Is this where the "unindicted co-conspirator" thing came from in the first place?

Yikes.

re: #61 pingjockey

Those 3 boys are hosed. Probably what, 1st Lts or Captains? For you salts that is LTjg and LTs..

In SAC days they already be on a plane for Thule.

re: #14 zombie

I just got ahold of another moonbat book today "challenging" the accepted wisdom and official version of what happened on 9/11.

Trying to put a serious, sage veneer on rank Truthism and conspiracy theory-itis.

The Left used to be swirling down the toilet. Now all one hears is the gurgling deep down in the pipe.

May I suggest that the Left (or at least their intellectual leadership) be given some nice padded accommodations and a lifetime supply of happy pills?

re: #43 pingjockey

The frakkin' Russian military right now is a joke.

No argument with that, but permanent placement and flights of nuclear capable in/to Cuba is not a good thing. At minimum takes up our time & money for Raptors/F-15's etc & tankers.

re: #61 pingjockey

And future morale officers in Adak and along the DEW line.

re: #61 pingjockey

in "Dereliction Of Duty", the author describes how POTUS Bill Clinton, lost similar (if not same) codes but refused to tell anyone about it for a couple of days (or so) because he was embarrassed.

re: #65 Edgar
Lawhawk has the link and list up thread. #27.

re: #66 jcm
Yep. Thule or Adak.

re: #56 astronmr20

re: #65 Edgar

Lawhawk brought up another source. See this:
re: #27 lawhawk

re: #68 akak

No argument with that, but permanent placement and flights of nuclear capable in/to Cuba is not a good thing. At minimum takes up our time & money for Raptors/F-15's etc & tankers.

And it does break or at least stretch the USA- Russian agreement about not putting any offensive nuclear weapons in Cuba!

re: #50 jcm

I love that movie.
You have to see the opening sequence of the -36 lifting off on a wide screen, the TV version they cut the wings off.

No theater I know of would show it.

re: #63 jcm

Here's the TV version of the movie clip. The wide screen you get the full wing span.

6 turnin' and 4 burnin'

re: #44 pingjockey

All I see in #27's link is a possible email that could have been typed up by anyone, that's hardly 'official.'

re: #63 jcm

Here's the TV version of the movie clip. The wide screen you get the full wing span.

To quote James Earl Jones in Hunt for Red October,

"She's a big son of a bitch..."

For those of you complaining about wiki, see post #27, co-conspirator #158.

It is the text from All Counsel of Record Re: US v. Omar Ahmad Ali Abdel Rahman, et al. (S5) 93 Cr. 181 (MBM)

re: #68 akak
Nat'l Guard F-15s and -16s are right there if needed.

re: #70 WrathofG-d

in "Dereliction Of Duty", the author describes how POTUS Bill Clinton, lost similar (if not same) codes but refused to tell anyone about it for a couple of days (or so) because he was embarrassed.

Did he use them to wipe off the cigar?

re: #73 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Ah.. good.

Bio from an old WSJ piece.

He was once a Baptist.

[Link: www.moralgroup.com...]

re: #68 akak

I consider it nothing less (no more) than a misdirection play to get US assets out of place for others to take advantage.

Russia continues to back Islamists and other totalitarian regimes opposing the US, and restarting a mess with Cuba would keep the US plate quite full.

The Russians don't like the fact that we're playing in their backyard, and want to give the US a taste of what that's like. Never mind that the Russians don't have the power projection like they used to or that they can't sustain a long term deployment, but the idea is to send a message.

Damn, what you wrote just reminded me of Al Franken's book with a similar title. I doubt he'd consider CAIR to be liars, though.

re: #9 Hard Right

Lying liars and the lies the lying liars lie about....

BTW, would a lying liar be telling the truth?

re: #81 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Its a highly recommended read. The Cigar mishagaus was really chldsplay to some of the other things he did. This book really gave me a different opinion of the office of POTUS, and what really goes on in the White House.

re: #70 WrathofG-d
Holy shit! Do you suppose that's true? No, wait a minute, the president doesn't carry the football. A field grade officer, O-5 and above has it at all times.

re: #41 pingjockey

OT-For all us former military, another snafu/fubar at Minot AFB. Something to do with launch codes. The blood is gonna be waist deep.

Where is that?

re: #84 lawhawk

It would be alot less expensive just to send Obama a card.

re: #76 Son of the Black Dog

6 turnin' and 4 burnin'

IIRC there are 3 intact airframes. I would love to see one made airworthy.

re: #87 pingjockey

This book is written by the by the guy that carried the "football", so yes I believe it to be true.

re: #77 JohnDakota
Fine talk to lawhawk. Quit yer bitchin'.

re: #88 goddessoftheclassroom

Where is that?

Minot AFB, Ward ND, near Minot ND.

re: #88 goddessoftheclassroom
North Dakota.

Thanks, jcm & pingjockey!

re: #91 WrathofG-d
Okay Billy jeff lost 'his' authorization codes. Sheesh.

re: #91 WrathofG-d

This book is written by the by the guy that carried the "football", so yes I believe it to be true.

In the book in recounts how they had OBL in the cross hairs, he went to BJC to get an execute order. BJC refused to see him, the window closed and the mission stood down.

re: #93 jcm

My dad was stationed there at SAC.. he has some good stories.

re: #90 jcm

IIRC there are 3 intact airframes. I would love to see one made airworthy.

I'm pretty sure there's still one at Wright Patterson AFB in Dayton, OH and one at the SAC museum between Omaha and Lincoln, NE

Not sure where a third might be...

OT, but good for a laugh:

[Link: www.ft.com...]

It is good for a laugh since the author is Mohamed ElBaradei, his IAEA has done such good job with nuke weapons development I guess he thinks the UN should also handle global energy matters.

A few choice quotes:

'Countries as far apart as South Africa and Tajikistan are plagued by power cuts '

Uh, I think this reflects more a lack of investment by national governments into their power grids then due to any rise in global energy prices.

"In the developing world, 1.6bn people – about a quarter of the human race – have no access to electricity.'

Again, maybe this is due to the bad choices made by national governments (or more likely massive amounts of corruption) instead of the rise in energy prices?

'The need for co-ordinated political action on energy and related issues – climate change and poverty, to name but two"

Because the UN has been so effective at co-ordinated political action so far. Yes , let's give them another agency

"The United Nations co-ordinating mechanism, UN-Energy, is barely four years old. "

So, let me get this right, he wants there to be a UN agency to handle global energy issues, even though, according to that above quote, there is already one in place that is 4 years old? I'm I missing something?

Anyway, I have had enough fun with this. Read the article yourselves.

re: #98 astronmr20

My dad was stationed there at SAC.. he has some good stories.

Minot was my first assignment, but they yanked the top 3 grads in my tech school class and sent them to the AF Academy Hospital. I was a corpsman trying to get into PJ school.

Not completely on-topic, but I was digging around for a more definitive source on Wahhaj and ran across the following on Daniel Pipes's website:

In June 1991, Siraj Wahaj, a black convert to Islam and the recipient of some of the American Muslim community's highest honors, had the privilege of becoming the first Muslim to deliver the daily prayer in the U.S. House of Representatives. On that occasion he recited from the Qur'an and appealed to the Almighty to guide American leaders "and grant them righteousness and wisdom."

A little over a year later, addressing an audience of New Jersey Muslims, the same Wahaj articulated a rather different vision from his mild and moderate invocation in the House. If only Muslims were more clever politically, he told his New Jersey listeners, they could take over the United States and replace its constitutional government with a caliphate. "If we were united and strong, we'd elect our own emir [leader] and give allegiance to him. . . . [T]ake my word, if 6-8 million Muslims unite in America, the country will come to us." In 1995, Wahaj served as a character witness for Omar Abdel Rahman in the trial that found that blind sheikh guilty of conspiracy to overthrow the government of the United States. More alarming still, the U.S. attorney for New York listed Wahaj as one of the "unindicted persons who may be alleged as co-conspirators" in the sheikh's case.

re: #96 pingjockey

What stuck me was not that he lost them (yes stupid, but he is human) but that he refused to see the bigger picture, remove his ego, and admit to it a.s.a.p., just in case they were needed.

re: #97 jcm

Yes, worst part about that story is not that he missed the opportunity (this could happen if overworked, super busy, bad timing etc.) but that he missed the opportunity because he was too busy shmoozing people and playing golf.

The stuff it says about Hillary and the uniformed soldiers, and Bill and his treatment of the female soldiers on AF1, are incredible too.

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lone_wolf_in_illinois: friends and family in Israel
GotC: EH/kids; losing cousin and aunt within 4 months
Danger close: general
zulubaby, Carl in Jerusalem, Mr Pol, Golden Jerusalem, basically all the minion in eretz Yisrael
noam sayin': comfort for a lost brother
DorianGrey: much sorrow
Buckeye Abroad: in the belly of the beast of Eurabia
ChildOfMary: job for hubby and health for self
nonic: general
yank in EU: general
MdiM: general
Suzette: general

Community issues:
Those dealing with the flooding in the Midwest
Gilad Schalit, Ehud Goldwasser, Eldad Regev, for their release.
The families of John Young and Ron Withrow and those of the contractors still held hostage
Ezra Levant and Brian at Snapped Shot: for justice

re: #64 pingjockey

Saw Lawhawks entry right after I asked

re: #107 Bubblehead II
I hate when that happens. :)

Another reason why Wahhaj was linked to terror - several of the landmark bomb plot suspects attended his mosque.

Yet, the NYT doesn't mention that he was an unindicted coconspirator either.

re: #109 lawhawk
Well of course not. NYT likes terrorist enablers and leakers of classified info.

re: #100 eschew_obfuscation

I'm pretty sure there's still one at Wright Patterson AFB in Dayton, OH and one at the SAC museum between Omaha and Lincoln, NE

Not sure where a third might be...

Wright Pat has one, there's one at a musemum in CA or TX. The 3rd I don't remember. There's a weirdo plane collector in NY State that has pieces of one. And the XC-99 cargo version is at the Goleta Air & Space Museum.

re: #27 lawhawk

Here is the full list of unindicted coconspirators in the 1993 WTC Bombing:

To be clear, Sirraj Wahhaj is #158 on that list.

Also, who is this fellow "Mohammed"?
His name also appears on that list 26 separate times in various forms.

re: #113 looking closely

To be clear, Sirraj Wahhaj is #158 on that list.

The list is alphabetized by last name.

Ha! the DNC is accepting tax free gas from the city of Denver. 2 faced asshats.
BBIAB

re: #106 goddessoftheclassroom

Wow...

Never thought I'd see one of these in the middle of a random thread on a blog.

A humbling reminder of what maters in life....

re: #113 looking closely

To be clear, Sirraj Wahhaj is #158 on that list.

Also, who is this fellow "Mohammed"?
His name also appears on that list 26 separate times in various forms.

Hmmm.. never head of him.

re: #114 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The list is alphabetized by last name.

Oh I wasn't commenting on his relative importance within the list (which I have no way to judge), just re-iterating that he was on it, given that there were a number of (IMO legitimate) questions raised about the authority of Wikipedia on this issue.

re: #48 JohnDakota

re: #42 ploome hineni

No.. it's JohnDakota.. and citing wikipedia as a primary source is a horrible practice.

If Charles wants to lower the quality of evidence on LGF to the level of Dean Esmay (for example), then by all means cite wikipedia. I'm just saying it's a horrible reference as a primary piece of evidence.

Heh. It's worse than you think, actually. Dean Esmay himself claims to have done thousands of wikipedia edits.

God help us.

re: #27 lawhawk

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways. "

OT:

Just noticed this - MSNBC reporting: "Female suicide bomber kills 8 U.S.-allied forces"

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Upon first glance, that headline makes it sound like 8 U.S. troops were killed. But it was in fact it was "A female suicide bomber killed at least eight people Thursday night at a checkpoint manned by U.S.-allied Sunni guards northeast of Baghdad, Iraqi police said". So now that US troop deaths are way down, this is a way for the AP to make it sound like American troops are still dying at the rate they were before.

Our traitorous media. I hate them so.

re: #121 Opinionated

"We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways. "

I know.

They still haven't rebuilt the World Trade Center.

re: #106 goddessoftheclassroom
Thanks, Goddess.

re: #123 The Other Les

I know.

They still haven't rebuilt the World Trade Center.

I was in NYC this past week and went to check out the site. A bit more activity since the last time I was there 18 months ago, but not much. The largest visible change from street level anyway is the removal of the public viewing platform on Church St. It has been replaced with heavy equipment...a good sign.

According to the official WTC site, the new complex will be completed in 2012.

re: #118 looking closely

I understand now.

re: #124 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks, Goddess.

{Pvt Bin Jammin}

I am praying so hard for you, especially since you shared the awful complication of your friend's (forgive me) rat of a husband.

Siraj Wahhaj...if it walks like duck and quacks like a duck...it's a duck!

CAIR in my opinion wants to position itself as acivil rights organization rather than as an apologist or explainer of the inexplicable, for obvious reasons. Clearly, the desire is to forget the radicalism of some of its friends or members by wrapping itself up in those good old apple pie American concepts of constitutional rights and free speech.

This may work with the normally non-astute and diversity-happy New York Times reader, but I doubt it works with " the flyover states" people, NASCAR fans, and people generally having a healthy dose of common sense.

In my opinion Mr. Hooper would be better served traveling the Islamic world counseling against any form of terrorism in the United States or against American people by his co-religionists. How about it Ibrahim?

I think Hussein takes his cue from this gang-- say whatever is expedient. Don't bother with truth. Don't cover it up. Just go about blibber-blabbering inconsistencies and when confronted with the dissonance, take the offensive-- scowl and call the questioners "liars and cheats and racists and Islamophobes."

The playbook has become SOP with Hussein and the Islamofacists.

One wonders why he's such a natural at it all........(not)

If Fox wants to give these people a forum in which to lie to the American people, Fox owes it to us to follow up with this story, and expose this lie.

Ah yes, Ibrahim Hooper , Honor graduate of the Joseph Goebbels School of Public Speaking.

re: #125 mfarmer1

Our brilliant New York State and New York City governments in (lack of) action, not to mention the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. These people are incompetent bunglers who should be ashamed of themselves, but they're not.

Silverstein, the real estate developer vilified by Bloomberg as "greedy", completed his high-rise office building close to Ground Zero almost a year ago. By contrast, that part of the World Trade Center parcel controlled by state and city (Bloomberg) governments remains empty.

The sad thing about this all is that Mr. Hooper does not understand the gravity of the situation. Americans responded reasonably and fairly to the loss of about 3,000 American lives at the WTC from extremist muslims.

If there is a nuclear detonation or dirty bomb in an American city by Islamic extremists, what does Ibrahim believe the public, private, and political consequences will be to the present islamic community of the U.S.? Who among the general population even supports CAIR at present?

Mr. Ibrahim and his organization would be better served by a public relations campaign directed to radical islamists to lay off terrorism against the U.S. and Americans than his present course.

re: #101 ploome hineni

Because I don't do work for free, and the onus of proof isn't on me. No matter I see charles has found a .pdf.

I was quoted as having once told the truth and that is an out and out falsehood.

douggie pooper

re: #84 lawhawk

I consider it nothing less (no more) than a misdirection play to get US assets out of place for others to take advantage.

Russia continues to back Islamists and other totalitarian regimes opposing the US, and restarting a mess with Cuba would keep the US plate quite full.

The Russians don't like the fact that we're playing in their backyard, and want to give the US a taste of what that's like. Never mind that the Russians don't have the power projection like they used to or that they can't sustain a long term deployment, but the idea is to send a message.

LISBON, July 24 (Itar-Tass) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has flatly denied reports that he suggested deploying a Russian military base in Veneuzela. during his recent visit to Moscow.

re: #135 JohnDakota

John,

You are making a nothing more than a version of the "argument by authority" position. Instead of dealing with the issue, you are attack the credability of the source. Wikipedia is a large project & some data in it is "debatable", while most is perfectly valid. You cannot dismiss all of it because of the few questionable entries. In any event, you can always double check the references & links supplied in the Wikipedia entry.

So deal with the actual issue and stop with the silly distractions.

Hooper is a pathological liar.

Time and again, I've watched him tell lies in TV interviews, even when the interviewer has documented news sources at his fingertips.

When Hooper is called on the carpet, he disappears for a while. But before long, he's back on the screen again.

re: ploome hineni #138-140

No.. I don't work for free. especially not for a blog I only read occasionally. What you've basically said is wikipedia is good enough. If that's your standard, then fine, but it's a low standard. I've asked for a higher standard that Charles obviously believes in otherwise he would have never updated this post.

And no.. i'm not obama. Here, that sort of accusation is the equivalent of 'nazi', 'bigot', 'racist' etc. As far as the LGF community considers it's an adhominem and if that's all you have against me then you have nothing.

re: Kenneth #142
The whole issue was completely founded on if Siraj Wahhaj was an unindicted co-conspirator. Wikipedia on it's own is a very weak source. That particular wikipedia entry has no citation for the claim that Siraj Wahhaj and his status as an unindicted co-conspirator. I never made the claim that he was, I simply asked for more reliable evidence, and like I just said, Charles obviously agreed otherwise he would have never spent time digging up a more reliable piece of evidence in the form of the .pdf.

Seriously.. give it a rest. I've only asked for more reliable evidence. If you set your standard bars at mediocrity, then fine for you. I expect more for points I may use in later debates with people I talk with.

We don't care about Cair. They are unintelligent co-conspirators.

please explain, concering an unindicted conspirator. What do you have to do to be an indicted conspirator versus and unindicted one?

re: #125 mfarmer1

All you have to do is keep checking in with my Ground Zero series, and you'll know the score.

Ahhh, the unindicted co-conspirators running at the mouth again. When will CAIR move from unindicted to indicted? It can't happen soon enough!