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Krauthammer: Maliki Votes for Obama

Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:59:00 pm PDT

Charles Krauthammer on Maliki’s Vote for Obama.

Obama, reflecting the mainstream Democratic view, simply wants to get out of Iraq as soon as possible. Two years ago, it was because the war was lost. Now, we are told, it is to save Afghanistan. The reasons change, but the conclusion is always the same. Out of Iraq. Banish the very memory. Leave as small and insignificant a residual force as possible. And no long-term bases.

McCain, like George Bush, envisions the United States seizing the fruits of victory from a bloody and costly war by establishing an extensive strategic relationship that would not only make the new Iraq a strong ally in the war on terror but would also provide the U.S. with the infrastructure and freedom of action to project American power regionally, as do U.S. forces in Germany, Japan and South Korea. ...

Any Iraqi leader would prefer a more pliant American negotiator because all countries — we’ve seen this in Germany, Japan and South Korea — want to maximize their own sovereign freedom of action while still retaining American protection.

It is no mystery who would be the more pliant U.S. negotiator. The Democrats have long been protesting the Bush administration’s hard bargaining for strategic assets in postwar Iraq. Maliki knows the Democrats are so sick of this war, so politically and psychologically committed to its liquidation, so intent on doing nothing to vindicate “Bush’s war,” that they simply want out with the least continued American involvement.

Which is why Maliki gave Obama that royal reception, complete with the embrace of his heretofore problematic withdrawal timetable.

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1 jcm  7/25/08 1:00:01 pm reply quote 9

We won?
Nevermind, I surrender!
/BHO

2 yma o hyd  7/25/08 1:02:28 pm reply quote 0

So is Iraq now one of the 57 states of the USA?

3 Racer X  7/25/08 1:02:36 pm reply quote 14

Democrats - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory at every possible chance.

/winners are mean

4 Yashmak  7/25/08 1:02:39 pm reply quote 9

As always, Mr. Krauthammer provides useful insight here.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/25/08 1:04:37 pm reply quote 4

Lets see, who would you rather have against you at the bargaining table, a hard ass or a piss ant?

No wonder they like Obama.

6 Sharmuta  7/25/08 1:04:39 pm reply quote 16

There's gratitude for you!

7 vapig  7/25/08 1:04:48 pm reply quote 1

I don't care what Maliki wants. There's another election coming up over there anyway. Who's to say he stays?

8 jorline  7/25/08 1:05:51 pm reply quote 0

No rooms at the Inn...please come back later.

9 Silhouette  7/25/08 1:06:23 pm reply quote 4
want to maximize their own sovereign freedom of action while still retaining American protection.

There is nothing inherently wrong in that desire.

The car salesman wants me to pay as much as possible for the car. I, however, should want to pay as little as possible. We shouldn't let ourselves be shucked.

Dems were arguing the war is too expensive - they should therefore want us to get our penny's worth after the peace. Iraq owes us billions, not that we didn't do it for our own peace as well. I'll settle for strategic advantages.

10 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:06:53 pm reply quote 0

Krauthammer is dead on as usual.

11 wrenchwench  7/25/08 1:07:00 pm reply quote 8

I don't like this part:

Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still.

I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

12 Thanos  7/25/08 1:07:45 pm reply quote 6

It was a very insightful column. The thing people have been missing is that Barack has been saying "sixteen months" all along. Even after another month decrements, he doesn't change. Sixteen months from January 2009 is April 2010, and probably longer than when we would have the bulk of the troops out of Iraq if McCain wins.
[my reasoning here is that they insurgency would think they have a better chance of resurrection if Obama wins. In other words it's more likely that the troops will need to be there longer if the O wins.]

13 winston06  7/25/08 1:08:58 pm reply quote 9

Obama is a defeatist

14 Honorary Yooper  7/25/08 1:09:12 pm reply quote 6

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:

Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still.


I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

No, I'm only minorly worried. When I see Obama's poll results in states he should win (Minnesota) and states he must win (Michigan), I take heart that Obama could very well lose in November.

15 brent  7/25/08 1:09:56 pm reply quote 0

Freeking Krauthammer... He always makes me say "why did I not think of that?"....

That's a good point - who would you want to deal with, if you were in charge of Iraq? I'd like to play cards with any of self-appointed rocket repair men; if I were Maliki, I'd be rooting for Obama, too.

16 rlevitin  7/25/08 1:10:02 pm reply quote 0

re: #7 vapig

I don't care what Maliki wants. There's another election coming up over there anyway. Who's to say he stays?

There is?

17 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:10:37 pm reply quote 1

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:


I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

Smart doesn't equal right. If anything it's looking better for McCain than ever.

18 rlevitin  7/25/08 1:11:17 pm reply quote 1

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:

I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

Don't sell yourself short. I'm sure you've had a lot of insights that Krauthammer hasn't.

19 Typicalwhitey  7/25/08 1:11:22 pm reply quote 2

How many Americans care who the other countries want as our President?
Does it influence anyones vote that obambi was chummy with the french president?
Seriously, does it?

20 Ringo the Gringo  7/25/08 1:11:29 pm reply quote 2
Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still.

Not so sure I agree with Krauthammer here....(although he is correct that Maliki believes this to be true).

I know quite a few people who usually vote Democrat that will be voting for McCain this time around.

21 rlevitin  7/25/08 1:11:44 pm reply quote 0

re: #17 Hard Right

Smart doesn't equal right. If anything it's looking better for McCain than ever.

Nicely put, and you beat me to it.

22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/25/08 1:12:00 pm reply quote 18

Rule of thumb; if the rest of the world loves the candidate, he is likely the worst choice for President of the US.

23 Terp Mole  7/25/08 1:12:06 pm reply quote 3

Captain Pete Hegseth on Obama-Maliki '08:

...Any serious student of warfare, particularly of counterinsurgency, will know that every battlefield is fluid, and information that is relevant one day may be deceiving the next.

On Monday, Senator Obama finally had his wingtips on the ground in Iraq, to at last meet with U.S. brass and Iraqi leaders and get his dose of reality. He met with commanders on the ground who told him — as they recently told Fox News Sunday and the New York Times — that the timeline for withdrawal that Obama supports would be disastrous, both for the prospects of success in Iraq, and for strategic stability in the region.

Obama heard from Iraqi leaders, Maliki included, who told him the same thing — and who brandished their newfound reconciliation dramatically on Saturday, when the largest Sunni block rejoined the Iraqi parliament and cabinet.

And Obama heard from Iraqi and U.S. troops and from the citizens of Iraq who have all witnessed al-Qaeda’s attempts — both through their extremist rhetoric and maniacal deeds — to make Iraq the central front in their war against the West.

Despite these facts — however the mainstream media chooses to spin them — the operative question is: Will any of this matter to Obama?

I fear it won’t...

24 Silhouette  7/25/08 1:12:24 pm reply quote 6

re: #19 Typicalwhitey

How many Americans care who the other countries want as our President?

If Iran, Syria, NK, etc. were supporting McCain, it would give me pause.

25 RTLM  7/25/08 1:12:41 pm reply quote 0

Its called foresight, Dems. Something you and your sycophants will never acquire.

26 taxfreekiller  7/25/08 1:12:54 pm reply quote 16

Until America comes to understand the current Democrats will cause the utter failure of America, cause the whole world to descend into class warfare, joblessness, famine, no energy, no freedom, and real wars from the commie dictators they enable world wide, until then the decent will continue. Quit the denial, face the truth, we have evil within and no one has confronted it, and it grows day by day in its evil.

Facts count. Stand up, take your country back.

27 runrabbitrun  7/25/08 1:12:58 pm reply quote 0

Krauthammer:

"Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still. Moreover, he not only agrees with Maliki on minimizing the U.S. role in postwar Iraq. He now owes him. That's why Maliki voted for Obama..."

cr@p. Leave it to Krauthammer to come up with the most significant and disturbing insight into the Maliki election leak affair.

28 kansas  7/25/08 1:13:46 pm reply quote 0

The Messiah
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

29 Thanos  7/25/08 1:14:29 pm reply quote 10

A key point: if Obama wins then the insurgency thinks it has a chance and it will erupt again. Our troops will be there longer with a win by the O.

30 keithgabryelski  7/25/08 1:15:13 pm reply quote -17
Two years ago, it was because the war was lost. Now, we are told, it is to save Afghanistan. The reasons change, but the conclusion is always the same. Out of Iraq. Banish the very memory. Leave as small and insignificant a residual force as possible. And no long-term bases.

Fallacious, Strawman -- No one has suggested we should leave because we lost the war. Some have certainly suggested we lost, but I did not hear them claim that is the reason we should leave.

It is no mystery who would be the more pliant U.S. negotiator.

What is more pliant than having billions of cash vanish into thin air, having dick cheney make a special trip (last summer) requesting parliament suspend a summer break, and be rebuffed while our best are dieing in their streets.

31 wrenchwench  7/25/08 1:15:43 pm reply quote 0

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

re: #17 Hard Right

re: #18 rlevitin

Thanks, guys (and/or gals). Now tell it to the rabbit. re: #27 runrabbitrun

32 FrogMarch  7/25/08 1:16:28 pm reply quote 0

Maliki might regret it.

33 Iron Fist  7/25/08 1:17:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #24 Silhouette,

Fortunately, they're all for Obama.

34 RedPepper  7/25/08 1:17:20 pm reply quote 22

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

35 tunnelrat  7/25/08 1:17:38 pm reply quote 0

I would hope that McCain's next trip to the middle east gets as much press coverage as Obama's has gotten. Not holding my breath though.

36 yma o hyd  7/25/08 1:17:46 pm reply quote 5

Little historical footnote:
The Labour party here was set for a huge win in 1992. The incumbent Prime Minister, John Major, was regarded as the big loser, not with it, doing old-fashioned stuff like speaking from soap boxes ...
Yhe Labour leader, Neil Kinnock, was riding the waves of triumph. Then - three days before the election, he had a huge rally, which was set up to look like a victory party - they parties as if they had won already ...

Ring any bells?

Well - Labour lost badly, Kinnock was out, and John Major was Prime Minister for another five years ...

Morale of story: don't believe the MSM and polls!

37 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:18:17 pm reply quote 2

re: #27 runrabbitrun

Krauthammer:

"Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still. Moreover, he not only agrees with Maliki on minimizing the U.S. role in postwar Iraq. He now owes him. That's why Maliki voted for Obama..."

cr@p. Leave it to Krauthammer to come up with the most significant and disturbing insight into the Maliki election leak affair.

An Obama presidency is not inevitible.

38 Racer X  7/25/08 1:18:25 pm reply quote 3

Left America loves Obama because he looks good and talks good (in their opinion). Never mind he has no strong opinions on anything other than ending the Iraq war. None. Oh wait, he has Hope. And Change.

I say give up Hope and get a plan!

And quit Changing your position.

39 The Other Les  7/25/08 1:18:54 pm reply quote 5

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

You will now be declared a Suppressive Person by the Church of Obamatology.

40 Typicalwhitey  7/25/08 1:19:03 pm reply quote 6

re: #35 tunnelrat

I would hope that McCain's next trip to the middle east gets as much press coverage as Obama's has gotten. Not holding my breath though.

Actually the fact that McCain goes and has gone repeatedly without turning it into a photo op tells me that he his concern is for the troops and not his campaign.

41 runrabbitrun  7/25/08 1:19:47 pm reply quote 5

re: #29 Thanos

A key point: if Obama wins then the insurgency thinks it has a chance and it will erupt again. Our troops will be there longer with a win by the O.

I fear that if Obama wins the whole mainstream Democrat party narrative will flip to the Messiah's 'healing' Iraq, then try to take credit for the emerging Iraq success. Dems would love to assume the national security party mantle for a few decades.

42 BignJames  7/25/08 1:20:43 pm reply quote 1

re: #30 keithgabryelski

Wanna bet?

43 Thanos  7/25/08 1:20:48 pm reply quote 0

re: #41 runrabbitrun

I fear that if Obama wins the whole mainstream Democrat party narrative will flip to the Messiah's 'healing' Iraq, then try to take credit for the emerging Iraq success. Dems would love to assume the national security party mantle for a few decades.

Exactly, and we will be there longer. We are still in Bosnia for instance.

44 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:20:57 pm reply quote 1

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Bumper sticker worthy.

45 opnion  7/25/08 1:21:23 pm reply quote 2

This has probably be covered. A Pentagon spokesman said that Obama was not advised to stay away from the U.S military hospital in Berlin. He would be welcome, just not with all of the reporters and photographers. Obama seeing no political advantage instead chose to shoot hoops in the gym at the Ritz!

46 Racer X  7/25/08 1:21:53 pm reply quote 1

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

47 jorline  7/25/08 1:22:03 pm reply quote 0

There will be a big-ass Tea Party in all harbors if Obama is elected.

Katie-bar-the-door and hold on to your wallets.

48 Typicalwhitey  7/25/08 1:22:47 pm reply quote 2

re: #47 jorline

And if he loses?
I cannot wait to go on kos and gloat my ass off!

49 jpundit  7/25/08 1:22:49 pm reply quote 6

If Krauthammer is correct that the reason Maliki endorsed the 16-month timetable is that Maliki thinks the war has essentially been won, it means Maliki essentially agrees with Bush and McCain: American troops will be withdrawn based on conditions on the ground, and the conditions will be there six months from now to start doing it.

This is different from Obama’s view. His view is that troops should be withdrawn whether we’re winning or losing, and without regard to whether withdrawing them will convert a victory into a lost or renewed war.

50 Iron Fist  7/25/08 1:22:53 pm reply quote 5

re: #41 runrabbitrun,

I don't know that al Qaeda will give them that oppertunity. there have to be sleeper cells we haven't found. Under Obama, and even McCain, I expect some of them to come out and play. The difference between the response we can expect is one reason (among many) why I'm pulling for McCain.

51 scottishbuzzsaw  7/25/08 1:22:58 pm reply quote 1

re: #36 yma o hyd

Amen! In my almost 50 years of life in this marvelous country, I don't recall such intense focus on world opinion regarding our candidates, or daily polls taken so far in advance of the election. Craziness.

52 nyc redneck  7/25/08 1:23:33 pm reply quote 2

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:

I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

i think krauthammer was saying that from the perspective of maliki.
that HE had already concluded b.o. was the presumptive pres., so why not just throw in w/ him.
i've never gotten a good vibe from maliki. he could be so wrong abt. the readiness of his armed forces and their loyalty.

53 jorline  7/25/08 1:23:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Ding

Has a nice ring to it.

54 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:24:37 pm reply quote 5

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in a German's choice of messiah. Just sayin....

55 WitchDoctor  7/25/08 1:24:42 pm reply quote 0

re: #30 keithgabryelski

Really? Nobody has suggested we leave in defeat? Really?

56 The Other Les  7/25/08 1:24:44 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

Brown shirt replaced by brown skin.

Groan...

57 jorline  7/25/08 1:24:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #48 Typicalwhitey

And if he loses?
I cannot wait to go on kos and gloat my ass off!

LMAO...can I come too?

58 Silhouette  7/25/08 1:25:03 pm reply quote 8

re: #33 Iron Fist

,

Fortunately, they're all for Obama.

My point exactly. mass murderers love Obama, and it doesn't bother Obama supporters in the least. They are willfully blind.

If Satan came out in an Obama shirt, they would say it just shows how inclusive Obama is, and how wonderful that he turned the devil to the good side.

59 opinionated  7/25/08 1:25:08 pm reply quote 7

America spends blood and treasure and the reward is that Arabs will be Arabs.

60 Reno911  7/25/08 1:25:20 pm reply quote 0

Stuart Smiley On:

...and doggone it...people just like B-HO...

Stuart Smiley Off:

61 'Nam Grunt  7/25/08 1:25:38 pm reply quote 9

Vietnam II, that's what you will get if you vote Obama as far as Iraq goes, another bunch of disgruntled Veterans that feel their Country has failed them, and the rest of the 'Nam Vets that are left, I'm sure that will help in recruiting future warriors to fight our wars! Grandpa's from 'Nam telling their grandchildren not to fight for America and these present warriors telling their kids not to fight! VOTE REPUBLICAN in every election from small towns to Gov.

62 vapig  7/25/08 1:26:05 pm reply quote 0

re: #16 rlevitin

There is?

I was thinking of this election. How long is the PM's term? 4 years? 6 years? In either case another election for his job HAS to be coming up.

63 Sharmuta  7/25/08 1:26:06 pm reply quote 0

re: #29 Thanos

A key point: if Obama wins then the insurgency thinks it has a chance and it will erupt again. Our troops will be there longer with a win by the O.

But isn't it possible we'd just leave Iraqis high and dry like we did with the Vietnamese?

64 taxfreekiller  7/25/08 1:26:07 pm reply quote 3

The msm doth prop up to much,
this little house of straw men is all blow

blow the house down said the big bad wolf,
from the mountains of Afghanistan's caves,

and down the propped up Obama house of cards came,

Nov. 2008

65 Typicalwhitey  7/25/08 1:27:22 pm reply quote 0

re: #57 jorline

LMAO...can I come too?

Absolutely!

66 Iron Fist  7/25/08 1:27:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #58 Silhouette,

I thought Liberals were already on Satan's side. It is more a matter of them joining him, as it were.

:-P

67 Thanos  7/25/08 1:28:05 pm reply quote 1

re: #50 Iron Fist

,

I don't know that al Qaeda will give them that oppertunity. there have to be sleeper cells we haven't found. Under Obama, and even McCain, I expect some of them to come out and play. The difference between the response we can expect is one reason (among many) why I'm pulling for McCain.

It's not just the sleeper cells either. There will be new provocations by neighbors, by both Iran and Turkey if we pull out whole hog in the blink of an eye. The Kurds will act up, Saudis will get concerned, and it would be close to the start of the fourth Islamic civil war. All Islamic countries look after their interests first, and in their mind their first interest is what they can steal from their neighbor, Islamic or not.

68 FrogMarch  7/25/08 1:28:30 pm reply quote 0

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

I like!

69 MandyManners  7/25/08 1:29:33 pm reply quote 11

re: #30 keithgabryelski

You didn't just drink the KoolAid. You swam in it.

70 jorline  7/25/08 1:29:41 pm reply quote 0

I truly believe that Obama will flame-out before the general election.

If McCain can get Obama in a Town-Hall setting he can whip his butt. Off the cuff answers and talking points prepared before hand will not fly in this setting. I can hear Obama now Umm...Ah...Ahhhh. He didn't do well in the debate IMHO.

71 Terp Mole  7/25/08 1:30:05 pm reply quote 5
re: #44 Hard Right Bumper sticker worthy.

Check these out.

72 Typicalwhitey  7/25/08 1:30:08 pm reply quote 0
re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Mind if I email the McCain campaign that idea?

73 Silhouette  7/25/08 1:30:33 pm reply quote 0

re: #66 Iron Fist

If they knew it, they'd be less dangerous. It is the fact that they think they are doing good (feeding the poor, saving the planet, working for peace) that makes them such excellent tools of evil.

74 Thanos  7/25/08 1:30:37 pm reply quote 2

re: #63 Sharmuta

But isn't it possible we'd just leave Iraqis high and dry like we did with the Vietnamese?

It's possible, but I don't think it likely, the Dems will have learnt from the aftermath of vietnam and losing congress ....


wait, these are the dems....

you're right, that could happen.

75 lawhawk  7/25/08 1:30:45 pm reply quote 21

What world leaders think of a given candidate is always interesting. They're looking at their own strategic interests (whether they be personal or for their respective nations). They're looking at what will best improve their odds for success in future negotiations, allies, potential enemies, impediments to future success or grounds for failure, etc.).

They engage in the grand game. Maliki's statements will come at a cost to him, but he perceives the cost to be low, especially if McCain wins. He knows, or likely has reason to know that McCain will stand alongside him should Iraq enter a rough patch. He probably feels the need to butter up Obama because Obama is most likely to cut and run and leave Maliki to his own devices should Iran act up directly or via their proxies.

Take what Maliki said with a grain of salt, especially given that what Maliki thinks of timetables is informed by success on the ground, and Obama's idea of timetables is nothing more than pushing his cut and run square peg to fit the round hole of victory. In the process, Obama hopes to flush the idea of victory in Iraq down the memory hole.

Now, apply what happened in Europe. Each of those national leaders Obama met with are taking a measure of the man. They're reporting up and down their respective intel services what they think of him, and whether he will be steadfast or honorable or just or weak and go back on his word at the drop of a hat.

Our political leaders do this as well. So do our intel services.

Yet, it's also important to keep in mind that none of these foreign leaders has a say in who we elect.

We choose.

And we bristle at even the appearance that someone else might be pushing for one candidate over another. And when one of our candidates tries hard to look like the world supports their candidacy for president, it makes one wonder whose interests they have in mind - ours or theirs.

76 keithgabryelski  7/25/08 1:31:13 pm reply quote 0

re: #42 BignJames

Wanna bet?

read my post again. Reid did say the war was lost -- he did not say we should leave because of that.

Let me repeat, and I'll clarify so nits can't be picked:

No one of importance has said we should leave iraq because the war is lost.

Plenty of people have said we should leave because of other reasons (it was inappropriate to be there in the first place, it depletes our resources that should be directed in more important directions).

Krauthammer may disagree with the reasoning (or maybe the just the conclusion) but he doesn't get change someone else's argument so he can ridicule it.

By the way, I'm not arguing for or against leaving Iraq -- just against fallacious arguments.

77 kansas  7/25/08 1:31:16 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

78 wrenchwench  7/25/08 1:32:09 pm reply quote 1

re: #52 nyc redneck

i think krauthammer was saying that from the perspective of maliki.

That's a possible and preferable interpretation. I thought I'd look at the comments over there for similar interpretations, but I couldn't get through five of the 400 of 'em. Does LGF have the only sane comment section on the web?

79 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:32:47 pm reply quote 1

re: #71 Terp Mole

80 jorline  7/25/08 1:32:53 pm reply quote 1

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

It has a nice beat that I can dance to...I'll give it a 10 Dick.

81 FrogMarch  7/25/08 1:33:01 pm reply quote 1

re: #70 jorline

I truly believe that Obama will flame-out before the general election.

If McCain can get Obama in a Town-Hall setting he can whip his butt. Off the cuff answers and talking points prepared before hand will not fly in this setting. I can hear Obama now Umm...Ah...Ahhhh. He didn't do well in the debate IMHO.

Won't happen. The media will protect Obama like a little baby duck.

82 runrabbitrun  7/25/08 1:33:03 pm reply quote 5

re: #31 wrenchwench

re: #17 Hard Right

re: #18 rlevitin

Thanks, guys (and/or gals). Now tell it to the rabbit. re: #27 runrabbitrun

opps, got caught being the handwringer in the room - but I so love this country and the principles the founders articulated in our birthing documents for this amazing experiment in self-government. I wish that more people would understand its uniqueness throughout the world.

I have more optimism for Mac than you'd think from my comments, and the greatest yet that the nation would shake off any leftist chains temporarily restraining it. Politics shifting and adjusting from liberalism to conservatism over time is a tug of war process that ultimately prevents us from being pulled over either cliff of left or right wing extremism.

83 Racer X  7/25/08 1:33:23 pm reply quote 0

re: #75 lawhawk

Well said.

84 keithgabryelski  7/25/08 1:34:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #55 WitchDoctor

Really? Nobody has suggested we leave in defeat? Really?

that is rephrasing the argument. quit it.

"Leaving in defeat" is not the same as "leaving because we are defeated".

The former is a tag placed on people looking to withdraw from iraq -- the latter is an action taken because of a perceived condition.

85 Silhouette  7/25/08 1:34:18 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 Racer X

"I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

They are beyond parody.

You mock them with hyperbole by saying they worship the man like a god, and they confirm it.

Didn't zombie link a story where several people were traveling to see Obama and hoping to touch the hem of his garment, or get him to touch their child.

86 lawhawk  7/25/08 1:35:10 pm reply quote 10

re: #76 keithgabryelski

You're being too obtuse by half.

Rep. Murtha wanted us out of Iraq because we lost Iraq.
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"Eighty percent of the Iraqis want us out of there," said Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., a decorated Marine veteran and prominent critic of U.S. policy in Iraq, on "Good Morning America." "Forty-seven percent say it's all right to kill Americans. Yet when we went in, they thought it was wonderful to topple Saddam Hussein. Now we've lost that war, and now it is time to redeploy." Murtha believes the United States can no longer win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

Murtha, who never apologized for his comments on Haditha, is seen as someone whose good judgment is relied upon by none other than Obama.

87 vapig  7/25/08 1:35:25 pm reply quote 1

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Oh! Oh! This is it! I want one!

88 BignJames  7/25/08 1:35:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #76 keithgabryelski

Krauthammer was paraphrasing Obama. Maybe you've heard of it?

89 Sharmuta  7/25/08 1:35:45 pm reply quote 0

re: #74 Thanos

Oh! You made me laugh- then I wanted to cry.

90 Render  7/25/08 1:36:57 pm reply quote 2

Interesting that Mr. Krauthammer, (whom I have a great deal of respect for), appears to be making the same mistake that so many other civilian (mostly on the anti-war side) pundits have made.

Iraq is but one theater in a much wider world war.

The Pentagon certainly sees Iraq as such. Al-Qaeda certainly saw Iraq as such. Iran, sandwiched between the two main theaters, very definitely sees Iraq as such.

I have no doubt that history will eventually regard Iraq as but one theater in this world war. The leading historians of our age (Keegan, Dunnigan, etc) have already written as such.

AMADEUS,
R

91 Opinionated  7/25/08 1:37:01 pm reply quote 1

Child murderer Samir Kuntar, now that you're free, what are you going to do next? Disney World maybe?

Samir Kuntar has told the Lebanese station Future TV that "Allah willing, I will get the chance to kill more Israelis."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

This is a hero to American "allies" Abbas and Siniora. Because Arabs are always Arabs.

92 Miss Molly  7/25/08 1:37:14 pm reply quote 1

I got the impression that Maliki corrected his commemts about having American troops leaving Iraq according to the time table set by Obama. It was something about Maliki's comments being incorrectly transulated. I can not imagine Maliki or anyone else who might take his place wanting American troops walking out the door completely anytime soon. Obama may be walking around like the "Prom Queen" on his foreign field trip but I still do not know anyone who is paying attention or even cares what he is saying other than the biased left media. And, since the biased left media only talks to itself I wonder if they have even a clue as to what main stream America is thinking.

93 keithgabryelski  7/25/08 1:37:41 pm reply quote 0

re: #86 lawhawk

Murtha, who never apologized for his comments on Haditha, is seen as someone whose good judgment is relied upon by none other than Obama.

I withdraw my first comment. It was silly, of me, to make it absolute.

94 MandyManners  7/25/08 1:37:53 pm reply quote 2

re: #71 Terp Mole

95 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:38:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #92 Miss Molly

I got the impression that Maliki corrected his commemts about having American troops leaving Iraq according to the time table set by Obama. It was something about Maliki's comments being incorrectly transulated. I can not imagine Maliki or anyone else who might take his place wanting American troops walking out the door completely anytime soon. Obama may be walking around like the "Prom Queen" on his foreign field trip but I still do not know anyone who is paying attention or even cares what he is saying other than the biased left media. And, since the biased left media only talks to itself I wonder if they have even a clue as to what main stream America is thinking.

I though Maliki said he was mistranslated.

96 Eagle of Freedom  7/25/08 1:38:07 pm reply quote 7

Obama is running to be president of the United States, not Iraq, Germany, France, or any other country that despises the freedoms we hold sacred here in America and burn our flag at the drop of hat.

Let those countries have this vermin named Obama. Real Americans understand that surrender to the terrorists is not an option, and we use our faith to Bless America, not Damn it.

97 jorline  7/25/08 1:38:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #81 FrogMarch

Then McCain needs to push the issue.

Cut down on the debates and no of this youtube crap...just coast to coast town-hall meetings. Pin Obama's ass down on the issues and make him Fully explain how he plans to accomplish his x-mas wish list.

98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/25/08 1:38:30 pm reply quote 4

re: #91 Opinionated

Child murderer Samir Kuntar, now that you're free, what are you going to do next? Disney World maybe?

Samir Kuntar has told the Lebanese station Future TV that "Allah willing, I will get the chance to kill more Israelis."

[Link:

99 nyc redneck  7/25/08 1:38:48 pm reply quote 0

re: #78 wrenchwench

That's a possible and preferable interpretation. I thought I'd look at the comments over there for similar interpretations, but I couldn't get through five of the 400 of 'em. Does LGF have the only sane comment section on the web?

i think that is what he was inferring. i can't imagine krauthammer throwing mccain under the bus in such a casual way.

100 Sir Napsalot  7/25/08 1:39:12 pm reply quote 0

Dems think measuring Oval Office drapery is foresight. Team Obama already started assembling the transition team.

re: #25 RTLM

Its called foresight, Dems. Something you and your sycophants will never acquire.

101 Opinionated  7/25/08 1:39:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #91 Opinionated

A thousand dollars to the reporter who asks and gets an answer from Maliki [his opionion] if Kuntar is a hero.

102 Hard Right  7/25/08 1:40:36 pm reply quote 2

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He will die screaming and shitting himself.

Still a happier ending than he deserves.

103 Thanos  7/25/08 1:41:37 pm reply quote 0

It's a perfectly beautiful Friday afternoon here, my wife is cooking homemade enchiladas, the puppy's dropping squeaky toys in my lap as a hint that she wants to run, and the sun is shining. I'll be back in a bit folks.

104 Lawrence Schmerel  7/25/08 1:41:55 pm reply quote 0

"Obama . . . simply wants to get out of Iraq as soon as possible."

I can't help wondering whether it is that simple, but Krauthammer is probably right.

105 jorline  7/25/08 1:41:55 pm reply quote 3

re: #91 Opinionated

Child murderer Samir Kuntar, now that you're free, what are you going to do next? Disney World maybe?

Samir Kuntar has told the Lebanese station Future TV that "Allah willing, I will get the chance to kill more Israelis."

[Link:

106 The Other Les  7/25/08 1:42:34 pm reply quote 0

re: #102 Hard Right

Still a happier ending than he deserves.

Unfortunately, the last operational Daisy Cutter has been dropped.

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

107 'Nam Grunt  7/25/08 1:42:48 pm reply quote 5

This election is about the fable of the rabbit and turtle race, McCain being the turtle, he will win by a landslide. I can't wait to rail on the moonbats again!

108 rlevitin  7/25/08 1:42:56 pm reply quote 2

[Link: mcmaster.facebook.com...]

GOLDEN

109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/25/08 1:43:05 pm reply quote 1

re: #102 Hard Right

Still a happier ending than he deserves.

Preferrably, it will be while everyone he knows who praises him as a hero are doing the same thing around him.

110 Ojoe  7/25/08 1:43:09 pm reply quote 5

re: #19 Typicalwhitey

Europe, initiator of two world wars in one century, has no credibility when it comes to hankering after a leader. They've picked the worst before, and that they now fawn after Obama, tells us that we should not vote for him.

111 Nevergiveup  7/25/08 1:43:23 pm reply quote 0

re: #92 Miss Molly

I believe Maliki did dance around his overly overt agreement with Obama. Maliki does not under stand American Politics nor do most Americans care to understand Iraqi Politics. But those both in Iraq and America would be wise to carefully measure their words. Remember those who ride on the back of the tiger often end up inside him. And perhaps a tour of Cambodia might also be in order for such irresponsible people and rhetoric.

112 Racer X  7/25/08 1:43:29 pm reply quote 3

re: #86 lawhawk

Murtha was first in line to sell out to the Arabs. Fucking whore.

113 rlevitin  7/25/08 1:43:51 pm reply quote 0