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Krauthammer: Maliki Votes for Obama

Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 12:59:00 pm PDT

Charles Krauthammer on Maliki’s Vote for Obama.

Obama, reflecting the mainstream Democratic view, simply wants to get out of Iraq as soon as possible. Two years ago, it was because the war was lost. Now, we are told, it is to save Afghanistan. The reasons change, but the conclusion is always the same. Out of Iraq. Banish the very memory. Leave as small and insignificant a residual force as possible. And no long-term bases.

McCain, like George Bush, envisions the United States seizing the fruits of victory from a bloody and costly war by establishing an extensive strategic relationship that would not only make the new Iraq a strong ally in the war on terror but would also provide the U.S. with the infrastructure and freedom of action to project American power regionally, as do U.S. forces in Germany, Japan and South Korea. ...

Any Iraqi leader would prefer a more pliant American negotiator because all countries — we’ve seen this in Germany, Japan and South Korea — want to maximize their own sovereign freedom of action while still retaining American protection.

It is no mystery who would be the more pliant U.S. negotiator. The Democrats have long been protesting the Bush administration’s hard bargaining for strategic assets in postwar Iraq. Maliki knows the Democrats are so sick of this war, so politically and psychologically committed to its liquidation, so intent on doing nothing to vindicate “Bush’s war,” that they simply want out with the least continued American involvement.

Which is why Maliki gave Obama that royal reception, complete with the embrace of his heretofore problematic withdrawal timetable.

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1 jcm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:00:01pm

We won?
Nevermind, I surrender!
/BHO

2 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:02:28pm

So is Iraq now one of the 57 states of the USA?

3 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:02:36pm

Democrats - snatching defeat from the jaws of victory at every possible chance.

/winners are mean

4 Yashmak  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:02:39pm

As always, Mr. Krauthammer provides useful insight here.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:04:37pm

Lets see, who would you rather have against you at the bargaining table, a hard ass or a piss ant?

No wonder they like Obama.

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:04:39pm

There's gratitude for you!

7 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:04:48pm

I don't care what Maliki wants. There's another election coming up over there anyway. Who's to say he stays?

8 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:05:51pm

No rooms at the Inn...please come back later.

9 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:06:23pm
want to maximize their own sovereign freedom of action while still retaining American protection.

There is nothing inherently wrong in that desire.

The car salesman wants me to pay as much as possible for the car. I, however, should want to pay as little as possible. We shouldn't let ourselves be shucked.

Dems were arguing the war is too expensive - they should therefore want us to get our penny's worth after the peace. Iraq owes us billions, not that we didn't do it for our own peace as well. I'll settle for strategic advantages.

10 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:06:53pm

Krauthammer is dead on as usual.

11 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:07:00pm

I don't like this part:

Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still.

I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

12 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:07:45pm

It was a very insightful column. The thing people have been missing is that Barack has been saying "sixteen months" all along. Even after another month decrements, he doesn't change. Sixteen months from January 2009 is April 2010, and probably longer than when we would have the bulk of the troops out of Iraq if McCain wins.
[my reasoning here is that they insurgency would think they have a better chance of resurrection if Obama wins. In other words it's more likely that the troops will need to be there longer if the O wins.]

13 winston06  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:08:58pm

Obama is a defeatist

14 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:09:12pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:

Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still.


I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

No, I'm only minorly worried. When I see Obama's poll results in states he should win (Minnesota) and states he must win (Michigan), I take heart that Obama could very well lose in November.

15 brent  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:09:56pm

Freeking Krauthammer... He always makes me say "why did I not think of that?"....

That's a good point - who would you want to deal with, if you were in charge of Iraq? I'd like to play cards with any of self-appointed rocket repair men; if I were Maliki, I'd be rooting for Obama, too.

16 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:10:02pm

re: #7 vapig

I don't care what Maliki wants. There's another election coming up over there anyway. Who's to say he stays?

There is?

17 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:10:37pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:


I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

Smart doesn't equal right. If anything it's looking better for McCain than ever.

18 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:11:17pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:

I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

Don't sell yourself short. I'm sure you've had a lot of insights that Krauthammer hasn't.

19 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:11:22pm

How many Americans care who the other countries want as our President?
Does it influence anyones vote that obambi was chummy with the french president?
Seriously, does it?

20 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:11:29pm
Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still.

Not so sure I agree with Krauthammer here....(although he is correct that Maliki believes this to be true).

I know quite a few people who usually vote Democrat that will be voting for McCain this time around.

21 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:11:44pm

re: #17 Hard Right

Smart doesn't equal right. If anything it's looking better for McCain than ever.

Nicely put, and you beat me to it.

22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:12:00pm

Rule of thumb; if the rest of the world loves the candidate, he is likely the worst choice for President of the US.

23 Terp Mole  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:12:06pm

Captain Pete Hegseth on Obama-Maliki '08:

...Any serious student of warfare, particularly of counterinsurgency, will know that every battlefield is fluid, and information that is relevant one day may be deceiving the next.

On Monday, Senator Obama finally had his wingtips on the ground in Iraq, to at last meet with U.S. brass and Iraqi leaders and get his dose of reality. He met with commanders on the ground who told him — as they recently told Fox News Sunday and the New York Times — that the timeline for withdrawal that Obama supports would be disastrous, both for the prospects of success in Iraq, and for strategic stability in the region.

Obama heard from Iraqi leaders, Maliki included, who told him the same thing — and who brandished their newfound reconciliation dramatically on Saturday, when the largest Sunni block rejoined the Iraqi parliament and cabinet.

And Obama heard from Iraqi and U.S. troops and from the citizens of Iraq who have all witnessed al-Qaeda’s attempts — both through their extremist rhetoric and maniacal deeds — to make Iraq the central front in their war against the West.

Despite these facts — however the mainstream media chooses to spin them — the operative question is: Will any of this matter to Obama?

I fear it won’t...

24 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:12:24pm

re: #19 Typicalwhitey

How many Americans care who the other countries want as our President?

If Iran, Syria, NK, etc. were supporting McCain, it would give me pause.

25 RTLM  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:12:41pm

Its called foresight, Dems. Something you and your sycophants will never acquire.

26 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:12:54pm
27 runrabbitrun  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:12:58pm

Krauthammer:

"Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still. Moreover, he not only agrees with Maliki on minimizing the U.S. role in postwar Iraq. He now owes him. That's why Maliki voted for Obama..."

cr@p. Leave it to Krauthammer to come up with the most significant and disturbing insight into the Maliki election leak affair.

28 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:13:46pm

The Messiah
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

29 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:14:29pm

A key point: if Obama wins then the insurgency thinks it has a chance and it will erupt again. Our troops will be there longer with a win by the O.

30 keithgabryelski  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:15:13pm
Two years ago, it was because the war was lost. Now, we are told, it is to save Afghanistan. The reasons change, but the conclusion is always the same. Out of Iraq. Banish the very memory. Leave as small and insignificant a residual force as possible. And no long-term bases.

Fallacious, Strawman -- No one has suggested we should leave because we lost the war. Some have certainly suggested we lost, but I did not hear them claim that is the reason we should leave.

It is no mystery who would be the more pliant U.S. negotiator.

What is more pliant than having billions of cash vanish into thin air, having dick cheney make a special trip (last summer) requesting parliament suspend a summer break, and be rebuffed while our best are dieing in their streets.

31 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:15:43pm

re: #14 Honorary Yooper

re: #17 Hard Right

re: #18 rlevitin

Thanks, guys (and/or gals). Now tell it to the rabbit. re: #27 runrabbitrun

32 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:16:28pm

Maliki might regret it.

33 Iron Fist  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:17:03pm

re: #24 Silhouette,

Fortunately, they're all for Obama.

34 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:17:20pm

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

35 tunnelrat  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:17:38pm

I would hope that McCain's next trip to the middle east gets as much press coverage as Obama's has gotten. Not holding my breath though.

36 yma o hyd  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:17:46pm

Little historical footnote:
The Labour party here was set for a huge win in 1992. The incumbent Prime Minister, John Major, was regarded as the big loser, not with it, doing old-fashioned stuff like speaking from soap boxes ...
Yhe Labour leader, Neil Kinnock, was riding the waves of triumph. Then - three days before the election, he had a huge rally, which was set up to look like a victory party - they parties as if they had won already ...

Ring any bells?

Well - Labour lost badly, Kinnock was out, and John Major was Prime Minister for another five years ...

Morale of story: don't believe the MSM and polls!

37 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:18:17pm

re: #27 runrabbitrun

Krauthammer:

"Obama was likely to be president anyway. He is likelier now still. Moreover, he not only agrees with Maliki on minimizing the U.S. role in postwar Iraq. He now owes him. That's why Maliki voted for Obama..."

cr@p. Leave it to Krauthammer to come up with the most significant and disturbing insight into the Maliki election leak affair.

An Obama presidency is not inevitible.

38 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:18:25pm

Left America loves Obama because he looks good and talks good (in their opinion). Never mind he has no strong opinions on anything other than ending the Iraq war. None. Oh wait, he has Hope. And Change.

I say give up Hope and get a plan!

And quit Changing your position.

39 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:18:54pm

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

You will now be declared a Suppressive Person by the Church of Obamatology.

40 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:19:03pm

re: #35 tunnelrat

I would hope that McCain's next trip to the middle east gets as much press coverage as Obama's has gotten. Not holding my breath though.

Actually the fact that McCain goes and has gone repeatedly without turning it into a photo op tells me that he his concern is for the troops and not his campaign.

41 runrabbitrun  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:19:47pm

re: #29 Thanos

A key point: if Obama wins then the insurgency thinks it has a chance and it will erupt again. Our troops will be there longer with a win by the O.

I fear that if Obama wins the whole mainstream Democrat party narrative will flip to the Messiah's 'healing' Iraq, then try to take credit for the emerging Iraq success. Dems would love to assume the national security party mantle for a few decades.

42 BignJames  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:20:43pm

re: #30 keithgabryelski

Wanna bet?

43 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:20:48pm

re: #41 runrabbitrun

I fear that if Obama wins the whole mainstream Democrat party narrative will flip to the Messiah's 'healing' Iraq, then try to take credit for the emerging Iraq success. Dems would love to assume the national security party mantle for a few decades.

Exactly, and we will be there longer. We are still in Bosnia for instance.

44 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:20:57pm

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Bumper sticker worthy.

45 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:21:23pm

This has probably be covered. A Pentagon spokesman said that Obama was not advised to stay away from the U.S military hospital in Berlin. He would be welcome, just not with all of the reporters and photographers. Obama seeing no political advantage instead chose to shoot hoops in the gym at the Ritz!

46 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:21:53pm

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

47 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:22:03pm

There will be a big-ass Tea Party in all harbors if Obama is elected.

Katie-bar-the-door and hold on to your wallets.

48 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:22:47pm

re: #47 jorline

And if he loses?
I cannot wait to go on kos and gloat my ass off!

49 jpundit  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:22:49pm

If Krauthammer is correct that the reason Maliki endorsed the 16-month timetable is that Maliki thinks the war has essentially been won, it means Maliki essentially agrees with Bush and McCain: American troops will be withdrawn based on conditions on the ground, and the conditions will be there six months from now to start doing it.

This is different from Obama’s view. His view is that troops should be withdrawn whether we’re winning or losing, and without regard to whether withdrawing them will convert a victory into a lost or renewed war.

50 Iron Fist  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:22:53pm

re: #41 runrabbitrun,

I don't know that al Qaeda will give them that oppertunity. there have to be sleeper cells we haven't found. Under Obama, and even McCain, I expect some of them to come out and play. The difference between the response we can expect is one reason (among many) why I'm pulling for McCain.

51 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:22:58pm

re: #36 yma o hyd

Amen! In my almost 50 years of life in this marvelous country, I don't recall such intense focus on world opinion regarding our candidates, or daily polls taken so far in advance of the election. Craziness.

52 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:23:33pm

re: #11 wrenchwench

I don't like this part:

I disagree. But I think Krauthammer is smarter than I am, so this part worries me.

i think krauthammer was saying that from the perspective of maliki.
that HE had already concluded b.o. was the presumptive pres., so why not just throw in w/ him.
i've never gotten a good vibe from maliki. he could be so wrong abt. the readiness of his armed forces and their loyalty.

53 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:23:53pm

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Ding

Has a nice ring to it.

54 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:24:37pm

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in a German's choice of messiah. Just sayin....

55 WitchDoctor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:24:42pm

re: #30 keithgabryelski

Really? Nobody has suggested we leave in defeat? Really?

56 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:24:44pm

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

Brown shirt replaced by brown skin.

Groan...

57 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:24:53pm

re: #48 Typicalwhitey

And if he loses?
I cannot wait to go on kos and gloat my ass off!

LMAO...can I come too?

58 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:25:03pm

re: #33 Iron Fist

,

Fortunately, they're all for Obama.

My point exactly. mass murderers love Obama, and it doesn't bother Obama supporters in the least. They are willfully blind.

If Satan came out in an Obama shirt, they would say it just shows how inclusive Obama is, and how wonderful that he turned the devil to the good side.

59 opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:25:08pm

America spends blood and treasure and the reward is that Arabs will be Arabs.

60 Reno911  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:25:20pm

Stuart Smiley On:

...and doggone it...people just like B-HO...

Stuart Smiley Off:

61 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:25:38pm

Vietnam II, that's what you will get if you vote Obama as far as Iraq goes, another bunch of disgruntled Veterans that feel their Country has failed them, and the rest of the 'Nam Vets that are left, I'm sure that will help in recruiting future warriors to fight our wars! Grandpa's from 'Nam telling their grandchildren not to fight for America and these present warriors telling their kids not to fight! VOTE REPUBLICAN in every election from small towns to Gov.

62 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:26:05pm

re: #16 rlevitin

There is?

I was thinking of this election. How long is the PM's term? 4 years? 6 years? In either case another election for his job HAS to be coming up.

63 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:26:06pm

re: #29 Thanos

A key point: if Obama wins then the insurgency thinks it has a chance and it will erupt again. Our troops will be there longer with a win by the O.

But isn't it possible we'd just leave Iraqis high and dry like we did with the Vietnamese?

64 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:26:07pm
65 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:27:22pm

re: #57 jorline

LMAO...can I come too?

Absolutely!

66 Iron Fist  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:27:59pm

re: #58 Silhouette,

I thought Liberals were already on Satan's side. It is more a matter of them joining him, as it were.

:-P

67 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:28:05pm

re: #50 Iron Fist

,

I don't know that al Qaeda will give them that oppertunity. there have to be sleeper cells we haven't found. Under Obama, and even McCain, I expect some of them to come out and play. The difference between the response we can expect is one reason (among many) why I'm pulling for McCain.

It's not just the sleeper cells either. There will be new provocations by neighbors, by both Iran and Turkey if we pull out whole hog in the blink of an eye. The Kurds will act up, Saudis will get concerned, and it would be close to the start of the fourth Islamic civil war. All Islamic countries look after their interests first, and in their mind their first interest is what they can steal from their neighbor, Islamic or not.

68 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:28:30pm

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

I like!

69 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:29:33pm

re: #30 keithgabryelski

You didn't just drink the KoolAid. You swam in it.

70 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:29:41pm

I truly believe that Obama will flame-out before the general election.

If McCain can get Obama in a Town-Hall setting he can whip his butt. Off the cuff answers and talking points prepared before hand will not fly in this setting. I can hear Obama now Umm...Ah...Ahhhh. He didn't do well in the debate IMHO.

71 Terp Mole  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:30:05pm
re: #44 Hard Right Bumper sticker worthy.

Check these out.

72 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:30:08pm
re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Mind if I email the McCain campaign that idea?

73 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:30:33pm

re: #66 Iron Fist

If they knew it, they'd be less dangerous. It is the fact that they think they are doing good (feeding the poor, saving the planet, working for peace) that makes them such excellent tools of evil.

74 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:30:37pm

re: #63 Sharmuta

But isn't it possible we'd just leave Iraqis high and dry like we did with the Vietnamese?

It's possible, but I don't think it likely, the Dems will have learnt from the aftermath of vietnam and losing congress ....


wait, these are the dems....

you're right, that could happen.

75 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:30:45pm

What world leaders think of a given candidate is always interesting. They're looking at their own strategic interests (whether they be personal or for their respective nations). They're looking at what will best improve their odds for success in future negotiations, allies, potential enemies, impediments to future success or grounds for failure, etc.).

They engage in the grand game. Maliki's statements will come at a cost to him, but he perceives the cost to be low, especially if McCain wins. He knows, or likely has reason to know that McCain will stand alongside him should Iraq enter a rough patch. He probably feels the need to butter up Obama because Obama is most likely to cut and run and leave Maliki to his own devices should Iran act up directly or via their proxies.

Take what Maliki said with a grain of salt, especially given that what Maliki thinks of timetables is informed by success on the ground, and Obama's idea of timetables is nothing more than pushing his cut and run square peg to fit the round hole of victory. In the process, Obama hopes to flush the idea of victory in Iraq down the memory hole.

Now, apply what happened in Europe. Each of those national leaders Obama met with are taking a measure of the man. They're reporting up and down their respective intel services what they think of him, and whether he will be steadfast or honorable or just or weak and go back on his word at the drop of a hat.

Our political leaders do this as well. So do our intel services.

Yet, it's also important to keep in mind that none of these foreign leaders has a say in who we elect.

We choose.

And we bristle at even the appearance that someone else might be pushing for one candidate over another. And when one of our candidates tries hard to look like the world supports their candidacy for president, it makes one wonder whose interests they have in mind - ours or theirs.

76 keithgabryelski  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:31:13pm

re: #42 BignJames

Wanna bet?

read my post again. Reid did say the war was lost -- he did not say we should leave because of that.

Let me repeat, and I'll clarify so nits can't be picked:

No one of importance has said we should leave iraq because the war is lost.

Plenty of people have said we should leave because of other reasons (it was inappropriate to be there in the first place, it depletes our resources that should be directed in more important directions).

Krauthammer may disagree with the reasoning (or maybe the just the conclusion) but he doesn't get change someone else's argument so he can ridicule it.

By the way, I'm not arguing for or against leaving Iraq -- just against fallacious arguments.

77 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:31:16pm

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.

[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]

78 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:32:09pm

re: #52 nyc redneck

i think krauthammer was saying that from the perspective of maliki.

That's a possible and preferable interpretation. I thought I'd look at the comments over there for similar interpretations, but I couldn't get through five of the 400 of 'em. Does LGF have the only sane comment section on the web?

79 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:32:47pm

re: #71 Terp Mole

Check these out.

The MOTHERLOAD! Thanks.

80 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:32:53pm

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

It has a nice beat that I can dance to...I'll give it a 10 Dick.

81 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:33:01pm

re: #70 jorline

I truly believe that Obama will flame-out before the general election.

If McCain can get Obama in a Town-Hall setting he can whip his butt. Off the cuff answers and talking points prepared before hand will not fly in this setting. I can hear Obama now Umm...Ah...Ahhhh. He didn't do well in the debate IMHO.

Won't happen. The media will protect Obama like a little baby duck.

82 runrabbitrun  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:33:03pm

re: #31 wrenchwench

re: #17 Hard Right

re: #18 rlevitin

Thanks, guys (and/or gals). Now tell it to the rabbit. re: #27 runrabbitrun

opps, got caught being the handwringer in the room - but I so love this country and the principles the founders articulated in our birthing documents for this amazing experiment in self-government. I wish that more people would understand its uniqueness throughout the world.

I have more optimism for Mac than you'd think from my comments, and the greatest yet that the nation would shake off any leftist chains temporarily restraining it. Politics shifting and adjusting from liberalism to conservatism over time is a tug of war process that ultimately prevents us from being pulled over either cliff of left or right wing extremism.

83 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:33:23pm

re: #75 lawhawk

Well said.

84 keithgabryelski  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:34:03pm

re: #55 WitchDoctor

Really? Nobody has suggested we leave in defeat? Really?

that is rephrasing the argument. quit it.

"Leaving in defeat" is not the same as "leaving because we are defeated".

The former is a tag placed on people looking to withdraw from iraq -- the latter is an action taken because of a perceived condition.

85 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:34:18pm

re: #46 Racer X

"I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

They are beyond parody.

You mock them with hyperbole by saying they worship the man like a god, and they confirm it.

Didn't zombie link a story where several people were traveling to see Obama and hoping to touch the hem of his garment, or get him to touch their child.

86 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:35:10pm

re: #76 keithgabryelski

You're being too obtuse by half.

Rep. Murtha wanted us out of Iraq because we lost Iraq.
.

"Eighty percent of the Iraqis want us out of there," said Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., a decorated Marine veteran and prominent critic of U.S. policy in Iraq, on "Good Morning America." "Forty-seven percent say it's all right to kill Americans. Yet when we went in, they thought it was wonderful to topple Saddam Hussein. Now we've lost that war, and now it is time to redeploy." Murtha believes the United States can no longer win the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

Murtha, who never apologized for his comments on Haditha, is seen as someone whose good judgment is relied upon by none other than Obama.

87 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:35:25pm

re: #34 RedPepper

Reject the cult
Elect the adult

McCain 2008

Oh! Oh! This is it! I want one!

88 BignJames  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:35:27pm

re: #76 keithgabryelski

Krauthammer was paraphrasing Obama. Maybe you've heard of it?

89 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:35:45pm

re: #74 Thanos

Oh! You made me laugh- then I wanted to cry.

90 Render  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:36:57pm

Interesting that Mr. Krauthammer, (whom I have a great deal of respect for), appears to be making the same mistake that so many other civilian (mostly on the anti-war side) pundits have made.

Iraq is but one theater in a much wider world war.

The Pentagon certainly sees Iraq as such. Al-Qaeda certainly saw Iraq as such. Iran, sandwiched between the two main theaters, very definitely sees Iraq as such.

I have no doubt that history will eventually regard Iraq as but one theater in this world war. The leading historians of our age (Keegan, Dunnigan, etc) have already written as such.

AMADEUS,
R

91 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:37:01pm

Child murderer Samir Kuntar, now that you're free, what are you going to do next? Disney World maybe?

Samir Kuntar has told the Lebanese station Future TV that "Allah willing, I will get the chance to kill more Israelis."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

This is a hero to American "allies" Abbas and Siniora. Because Arabs are always Arabs.

92 Miss Molly  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:37:14pm

I got the impression that Maliki corrected his commemts about having American troops leaving Iraq according to the time table set by Obama. It was something about Maliki's comments being incorrectly transulated. I can not imagine Maliki or anyone else who might take his place wanting American troops walking out the door completely anytime soon. Obama may be walking around like the "Prom Queen" on his foreign field trip but I still do not know anyone who is paying attention or even cares what he is saying other than the biased left media. And, since the biased left media only talks to itself I wonder if they have even a clue as to what main stream America is thinking.

93 keithgabryelski  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:37:41pm

re: #86 lawhawk

Murtha, who never apologized for his comments on Haditha, is seen as someone whose good judgment is relied upon by none other than Obama.

I withdraw my first comment. It was silly, of me, to make it absolute.

94 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:37:53pm

re: #71 Terp Mole

Check these out.

I'm gonna' need a bigger car to put all those on my bumpers and windows.

95 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:38:03pm

re: #92 Miss Molly

I got the impression that Maliki corrected his commemts about having American troops leaving Iraq according to the time table set by Obama. It was something about Maliki's comments being incorrectly transulated. I can not imagine Maliki or anyone else who might take his place wanting American troops walking out the door completely anytime soon. Obama may be walking around like the "Prom Queen" on his foreign field trip but I still do not know anyone who is paying attention or even cares what he is saying other than the biased left media. And, since the biased left media only talks to itself I wonder if they have even a clue as to what main stream America is thinking.

I though Maliki said he was mistranslated.

96 Eagle of Freedom  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:38:07pm

Obama is running to be president of the United States, not Iraq, Germany, France, or any other country that despises the freedoms we hold sacred here in America and burn our flag at the drop of hat.

Let those countries have this vermin named Obama. Real Americans understand that surrender to the terrorists is not an option, and we use our faith to Bless America, not Damn it.

97 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:38:27pm

re: #81 FrogMarch

Then McCain needs to push the issue.

Cut down on the debates and no of this youtube crap...just coast to coast town-hall meetings. Pin Obama's ass down on the issues and make him Fully explain how he plans to accomplish his x-mas wish list.

98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:38:30pm

re: #91 Opinionated

Child murderer Samir Kuntar, now that you're free, what are you going to do next? Disney World maybe?

Samir Kuntar has told the Lebanese station Future TV that "Allah willing, I will get the chance to kill more Israelis."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

This is a hero to American "allies" Abbas and Siniora. Because Arabs are always Arabs.

He will die screaming and shitting himself.

99 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:38:48pm

re: #78 wrenchwench

That's a possible and preferable interpretation. I thought I'd look at the comments over there for similar interpretations, but I couldn't get through five of the 400 of 'em. Does LGF have the only sane comment section on the web?

i think that is what he was inferring. i can't imagine krauthammer throwing mccain under the bus in such a casual way.

100 Sir Napsalot  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:39:12pm

Dems think measuring Oval Office drapery is foresight. Team Obama already started assembling the transition team.

re: #25 RTLM

Its called foresight, Dems. Something you and your sycophants will never acquire.

101 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:39:46pm

re: #91 Opinionated

A thousand dollars to the reporter who asks and gets an answer from Maliki [his opionion] if Kuntar is a hero.

102 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:40:36pm

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He will die screaming and shitting himself.

Still a happier ending than he deserves.

103 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:41:37pm

It's a perfectly beautiful Friday afternoon here, my wife is cooking homemade enchiladas, the puppy's dropping squeaky toys in my lap as a hint that she wants to run, and the sun is shining. I'll be back in a bit folks.

104 Lawrence Schmerel  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:41:55pm

"Obama . . . simply wants to get out of Iraq as soon as possible."

I can't help wondering whether it is that simple, but Krauthammer is probably right.

105 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:41:55pm

re: #91 Opinionated

Child murderer Samir Kuntar, now that you're free, what are you going to do next? Disney World maybe?

Samir Kuntar has told the Lebanese station Future TV that "Allah willing, I will get the chance to kill more Israelis."

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

This is a hero to American "allies" Abbas and Siniora. Because Arabs are always Arabs.

I'm shocked....should have returned him in the same condition as the two Israeli soldiers.

106 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:42:34pm

re: #102 Hard Right

Still a happier ending than he deserves.

Unfortunately, the last operational Daisy Cutter has been dropped.

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

107 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:42:48pm

This election is about the fable of the rabbit and turtle race, McCain being the turtle, he will win by a landslide. I can't wait to rail on the moonbats again!

108 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:42:56pm

GOLDEN

109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:43:05pm

re: #102 Hard Right

Still a happier ending than he deserves.

Preferrably, it will be while everyone he knows who praises him as a hero are doing the same thing around him.

110 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:43:09pm

re: #19 Typicalwhitey

Europe, initiator of two world wars in one century, has no credibility when it comes to hankering after a leader. They've picked the worst before, and that they now fawn after Obama, tells us that we should not vote for him.

111 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:43:23pm

re: #92 Miss Molly

I believe Maliki did dance around his overly overt agreement with Obama. Maliki does not under stand American Politics nor do most Americans care to understand Iraqi Politics. But those both in Iraq and America would be wise to carefully measure their words. Remember those who ride on the back of the tiger often end up inside him. And perhaps a tour of Cambodia might also be in order for such irresponsible people and rhetoric.

112 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:43:29pm

re: #86 lawhawk

Murtha was first in line to sell out to the Arabs. Fucking whore.

113 rlevitin  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:43:51pm

re: #108 rlevitin

[Link: mcmaster.facebook.com...]

GOLDEN

make that:

114 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:44:43pm

re: #106 The Other Les

Unfortunately, the last operational Daisy Cutter has been dropped.

[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

Thermobaric Hellfire?

115 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:44:58pm

re: #6 Sharmuta

Sorry, I had a senior moment and dinged you down when I wanted to up-ding. Someone please correct my error. Thanks in advance.

116 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:45:19pm

re: #109 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Preferrably, it will be while everyone he knows who praises him as a hero are doing the same thing around him.

Daydreams the image...(happy sigh)

117 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:45:23pm

re: #112 Racer X

Murtha was first in line to sell out to the Arabs. Fucking whore.

Whores work for a living, politicians don't.

118 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:45:51pm

I've been saying this since day 1 -- we can leave 'em a fully modern, functioning peaceful country and they'll show the same Muslim gratitude towards non-Muslims they always show. Fuck 'em. Next time, next location, we just bomb the crap out of them. Someone worse comes along, we bomb him worse. WE don't fix shit.

119 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:46:51pm
120 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:47:37pm

re: #114 Hard Right

Thermobaric Hellfire?

Perhaps. But I like really huge explosions. Something that says standing next to murderous psychopaths is really not cool.

121 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:47:43pm

re: #112 Racer X

Murtha was first in line to sell out to the Arabs. Fucking whore.

I would like to apologize to whores everywhere. That was disrespectful and uncalled for.

122 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:48:14pm

BTW, I do not think it's possible in the long term to establish a functioning, modern, peaceful Arab/Muslim country. Those are not compatible concepts and I blame Bush for discerning the possibility of doing so through the prism of his Christianity. I'm not impugning his Christianity, but simply the concepts that people are intrinsically good, that Muslims are really at core like us, etc. Nonsense and he should have known it.

123 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:48:15pm

re: #115 GeeWiz

Sorry, I had a senior moment and dinged you down when I wanted to up-ding. Someone please correct my error. Thanks in advance.

Got it.

124 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:48:23pm

re: #118 SFGoth

Oh really! How about Germany, France, England, South Korea, Austria, Italy etc.......Just who was it that fixed that shit?

125 deportman  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:49:01pm

Obama=Assclown1

al-Maliki=Accclown2

126 yochanan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:49:35pm

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He will die screaming and shitting himself.

NO ARABS NO TERROR

127 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:50:21pm

re: #126 yochanan

NO ARABS NO TERROR

No death cults, no terror.

128 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:50:42pm

re: #120 The Other Les

Perhaps. But I like really huge explosions. Something that says standing next to murderous psychopaths is really not cool.

That would strongly communicate that message. LOL.

129 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:52:13pm

re: #107 'Nam Grunt

This election is about the fable of the rabbit and turtle race, McCain being the turtle, he will win by a landslide. I can't wait to rail on the moonbats again!

I sure hope you're right.

130 Capitalist Tool  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:52:15pm

So, Obama is most likely to give away the farm.
Color me surprised.

131 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:52:16pm

re: #124 'Nam Grunt

Oh really! How about Germany, France, England, South Korea, Austria, Italy etc.......Just who was it that fixed that shit?

I'd like to answer the obvious here. That was AMERICAN BLOOD and AMERICAN CAPITAL that saved and rebuilt those countries. And I for one will never apologize for what MY country has done in the last 60 years. And I don't want some ignorant first term Senator doing it in my name on foreign soil!

132 lurking faith  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:53:09pm

re: #46 Racer X

I watched ABC news last night. They interviewed a German who was at Obama's rally. He actually said, on camera, "I thought he was brilliant. He is my new messiah".

I almost puked.


I'm surprised at ABC.

There are still a lot of Americans who would get the creeps about any politician who could get that kind of total, mindless adulation from the Germans...

But I think the MSM just doesn't realize how much backlash the term messiah can cause. After all, they've evolved beyond clinging to religion.
/idjits

133 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:53:16pm

re: #118 SFGoth

I've been saying this since day 1 -- we can leave 'em a fully modern, functioning peaceful country and they'll show the same Muslim gratitude towards non-Muslims they always show. Fuck 'em. Next time, next location, we just bomb the crap out of them. Someone worse comes along, we bomb him worse. WE don't fix shit.

You're exactly right.

Where we/Bush went wrong was from changing a simple war whose aim was to defeat an enemy to a quixotic dream of birthing a peaceful democracy with civil values where such a concept can not even be fertilized.

134 Sharmuta  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:53:31pm

re: #115 GeeWiz

Thanks for letting me know that, GeeWiz. It's all good.

135 lurking faith  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:54:58pm

re: #124 'Nam Grunt

I think he meant, in the future we shouldn't keep fixing up places for people who will always hate us no matter how much we do for them.

136 dingleB  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:55:24pm

re: #93 keithgabryelski

Yep, Murtha is definitely someone of no importance. He better pray he goes to hell, because there will be plenty of Marines waiting in heaven to kick his fat food blister ass.

137 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:55:56pm

re: #124 'Nam Grunt

Oh really! How about Germany, France, England, South Korea, Austria, Italy etc.......Just who was it that fixed that shit?

Read what I wrote, not what your predilection led you to believe I wrote. Those countries weren't Muslim, yet. I wasn't talking about non-Muslim countries. In 20 years we won't be able to fix England again.

138 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:56:30pm

re: #124 'Nam Grunt

Oh really! How about Germany, France, England, South Korea, Austria, Italy etc.......Just who was it that fixed that shit?

Add Japan. And still there isn't an Arab and/or Islamic country on your list.

139 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:56:44pm

ahhh, the democratic party...it's hard to fight for long term goals when your sight is sooo short."what a poll says people don't like it?gotta change my position....lets see what if i grab my ankles?"

140 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:56:51pm
141 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:57:19pm

re: #133 Opinionated

You Sir are wrong! That is why George Bush will eventually go down in History as one of our Great Presidents, he has a vision for Iraq and the ME that very few THINKERS understand!

142 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:57:33pm

re: #140 buzzsawmonkey

Especially because all the nylons and chewing gum are made in China now.

There are still Hershey bars, thank goodness.

143 BignJames  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:58:26pm

re: #142 OldLineTexan

Yeah, they even manage to put a few almonds in now.

144 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:58:46pm
145 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:58:54pm

re: #137 SFGoth

In 20 years we won't be able to fix England again.

There will be an England in 20 years?

146 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:59:12pm

re: #142 OldLineTexan

There are still Hershey bars, thank goodness.

Democrats will soon rule chocolate causes high cholesterol and legislate against it. Better stock up now!

147 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:59:24pm

re: #141 'Nam Grunt

You Sir are wrong! That is why George Bush will eventually go down in History as one of our Great Presidents, he has a vision for Iraq and the ME that very few THINKERS understand!

LOL, that vision thing he inherited from his father, or the one he picked up while on a coke-&-booze bender in his party-with-Al-at-Yale days? Your statement is as arrogant as Obama thinking he can fix these problems too. There is one solution to the Muslim world - converting out of Islam. I don't doubt GWB's sincerity and intent, it's his judgment I question.

148 Hard Right  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 1:59:48pm

re: #129 Sharmuta

I sure hope you're right.

Makes two of us.

149 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:17pm

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

"I found love on a two-way street
And lost it on a Hershey highway...."

No shit?

150 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:17pm

re: #148 Hard Right

Makes two of us.

3 now.

151 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:23pm

re: #141 'Nam Grunt

You Sir are wrong! That is why George Bush will eventually go down in History as one of our Great Presidents, he has a vision for Iraq and the ME that very few THINKERS understand!

Right you are. Thinkers can't comprehend such nonsense.

Those who don't think- and know even less- can.

152 FrogMarch  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:34pm

I wish the republicans would remind everyone that the democrats spent the whole of the 1990's bitching about the Saddam - the horrible threat. We cleaned house and now we must leave. so that the rats can take over again - and the democrats can do what they do best. BITCH and MOAN all while doing nothing.


oh well. Let's abandon Iraq and feed the starving.

153 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:41pm

re: #150 VegasRick

3 now.

Four.

154 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:46pm

re: #149 Racer X

No shit?

Holy crap!

155 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:00:49pm

re: #142 OldLineTexan

There are still Hershey bars, thank goodness.

Survival kit contents check. In them you'll find:

- One forty-five caliber automatic
- Two boxes of ammunition
- Four days' concentrated emergency rations
- One drug issue containing antibiotics, morphine,
vitamin pills, pep pills, sleeping pills, tranquilizer pills
- One miniature combination Russian phrase book and Bible
- One hundred dollars in rubles
- One hundred dollars in gold
- Nine packs of chewing gum
- One issue of prophylactics
- Three lipsticks
- Three pair of nylon stockings.

Shoot, a fella' could have a pretty good weekend in Dallas Vegas with all that stuff."

156 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:01:57pm

re: #141 'Nam Grunt

You Sir are wrong! That is why George Bush will eventually go down in History as one of our Great Presidents, he has a vision for Iraq and the ME that very few THINKERS understand!

I bet you even believe in a West, East and North Palestine, all Democratic and living in peace with Israel.

157 Lynn  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:02:01pm

Ahhh, sanity. So refreshing.

158 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:02:13pm

"there will always be an england....(as long as there's a united states)"
old congressional joke during ww2.
they also used to joke that when churchill would flash his famous V for victory hes was really signaling to the U.S."I need two billion"

159 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:03:49pm

re: #151 Opinionated

This blog used to be so much different as to opinions of our Country, now it's just filled with moonbat thinking, I disagree with you!

160 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:03:57pm

re: #158 Boondock St. Bender

"there will always be an england....(as long as there's a united states)"
old congressional joke during ww2.
they also used to joke that when churchill would flash his famous V for victory hes was really signaling to the U.S."I need two billion"

2 Billion seems like a bargain for an aircraft carrier the size of the UK!

161 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:04:08pm
162 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:04:14pm

re: #157 Lynn

In need of your LGF fix?

163 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:04:51pm
164 dingleB  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:05:03pm

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

"I found love on a two-way street
And lost it on a Hershey highway...."

It's always better to give than receive, when traveling on the Hershey Highway. Or so I've been told.

165 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:05:22pm

re: #160 Nevergiveup

Touche'...wait a minute,thats french.........lol

166 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:06:04pm
167 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:06:32pm

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

the fingers should be closer together,and given in an upward motion,i believe but yes.

168 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:06:58pm

re: #161 buzzsawmonkey

Remember that if the "V" is flashed with the back of the hand to the other person it is the British equivalent of giving someone the finger.

LOL, nothing beats a middle finger! Nothing beats the word "fuck". It's really cool to hear two people going at it in gobbledygook and then throw in a "fuck you" before going back to whatever they speak. :-> I love to swear; it's recreational.

169 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:07:31pm

re: #159 'Nam Grunt

This blog used to be so much different as to opinions of our Country, now it's just filled with moonbat thinking, I disagree with you!

I gotta agree with you Nam. We are going to have to force the Middle East into a rational 21th century, by force if necessary. There is no other choice. They are not going to convert out of Islam, and unless the others are contemplating mass genocide, there is no other way. Bush has made mistakes, but I agree he is headed ( or was ) in the right direction.

170 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:07:54pm

re: #20 Ringo the Gringo

Not so sure I agree with Krauthammer here....(although he is correct that Maliki believes this to be true).

I know quite a few people who usually vote Democrat that will be voting for McCain this time around.

That's the Not-Obama vote. (Shades of that old show Dinosaurs)

171 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:07:58pm

re: #156 Opinionated

I bet you even believe in a West, East and North Palestine, all Democratic and living in peace with Israel.

Stuffing moonbat words into people's mouths must be tiring.

Have a Hershey bar and take a rest. Look, this one has almonds.

/Besides, SOUTH Palestine shall rise again, you son of pigs and apes
//

172 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:08:01pm

re: #163 buzzsawmonkey

Lousy knot speed and turning radius.

Yeah, but kinda hard to sink.

173 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:08:49pm

re: #118 SFGoth

I've been saying this since day 1 -- we can leave 'em a fully modern, functioning peaceful country and they'll show the same Muslim gratitude towards non-Muslims they always show. Fuck 'em. Next time, next location, we just bomb the crap out of them. Someone worse comes along, we bomb him worse. WE don't fix shit for Muslim countries.

I think that makes it more clear. I was reading from the bottom of the thread up.

174 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:08:51pm

re: #164 dingleB

It's always better to give than receive, when traveling on the Hershey Highway. Or so I've been told.

Your nic is "dingleB", and you lack info on the Hershey Highway?

175 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:10:08pm

re: #147 SFGoth

LOL, that vision thing he inherited from his father, or the one he picked up while on a coke-&-booze bender in his party-with-Al-at-Yale days? Your statement is as arrogant as Obama thinking he can fix these problems too. There is one solution to the Muslim world - converting out of Islam. I don't doubt GWB's sincerity and intent, it's his judgment I question.

Knock off the moonbat references to Bush.

176 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:10:36pm

OT -

North Pol Ice Cam.

Plenty there. And Drudge has an article that Anchorage is having its' coldest summer in memory.

But we know none of that is true because the Arctic Ice Cap is melting and the Oceans are rising because Obama (who is never wrong - just ask him) said so.

177 MoonbatBane  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:12:01pm

Malaki better be careful he doesn't get what he's wishing for. Why? BHO will pull ALL US forces out of Iraq as soon as possible. This will embolden the islamists, esp. the ones out of Iran. Within a year, his government will fall, and he will probably be one of the first ones killed by whatever puppet the Iranian mullahs place in power.

If that happens, though, I won't shed one tear for Malaki and his government. They will have reaped what they are sowing.

178 ec marm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:12:05pm

re: #175 kansas

Knock off the moonbat references to Bush.


When I first saw the nic SF Goth I thought, "Here we go."
It started out slow but is picking up speed as it heads towards the cliff...

/ after all of 49 comments

179 dingleB  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:12:08pm

re: #174 OldLineTexan
DingleB allegedly lacks information of said Highway.

180 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:12:42pm

re: #169 Nevergiveup

True it's easier to use the "kill em all,let god sort em out"method.the only problem is is that method is not normally a long term fix.
Working with,and assisting the past enemies will usually give better long term results.(assuming hostile remaining elements are dealt with harshly/swiftly)

181 The Shadow Do  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:13:32pm

I never fully subscribed to the notion that we went into Iraq for the WMD, nor even to enforce broken resolutions. The fight there has always been about the broader strategy of planting the American flag right smack in the middle of the festering ME mess. This is in our nation's interest. This war has nothing to do with the delusional Christian George Bush. It is not even about establishing democracy per se. It is about making our interests and the interests of the Iraqis coincide to the degree that we can move into the future there with positional power (military, social, political).

McCain caught a lot of grief for saying we should/would be there for 100 years, but he was absolutely correct. It will take at least that term to influence that region to the point that we don't have to give day to day thought to Jihadi terror attacks at home.

182 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:13:39pm

re: #176 karmic_inquisitor

OT -

North Pol Ice Cam.

Plenty there. And Drudge has an article that Anchorage is having its' coldest summer in memory.

But we know none of that is true because the Arctic Ice Cap is melting and the Oceans are rising because Obama (who is never wrong - just ask him) said so.

And he said that he would stop the oceans rising.

Since he is already President, as we can tell by his state visits to germany and france, the oceans have correspondingly begun to heal.

183 gman  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:13:44pm

The "Do the opposite of Bushitler" mantra isn't foreign policy, it's policy based purely on emotion- and we all know what happens when we let our emotions run amok.

184 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:14:10pm

BTW - I think we all should be more respectful of Obama when we post his name. Just as Muslims (and more and more western journalists) either refer to Mohammed as "the prophet" or use "PBUH", we should do something similar to recognize the Lightworker.

I propose "HIAR" which stands for "He Is Always Right".

185 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:14:18pm

re: #180 Boondock St. Bender

True it's easier to use the "kill em all,let god sort em out"method.the only problem is is that method is not normally a long term fix.
Working with,and assisting the past enemies will usually give better long term results.(assuming hostile remaining elements are dealt with harshly/swiftly)

I was agreeing with Nam Grunt. That was his point I believe. So I think we are on the same page.

186 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:14:42pm
187 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:14:50pm

re: #181 The Shadow Do

You Bet!

188 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:15:14pm

re: #182 Silhouette

And he said that he would stop the oceans rising.

Since he is already President, as we can tell by his state visits to germany and france, the oceans have correspondingly begun to heal.

Once again, He Is Always Right (just ask him).

189 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:16:06pm

If I leave work right now, how bad will the traffic be?

190 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:16:21pm

re: #124 'Nam Grunt

Oh really! How about Germany, France, England, South Korea, Austria, Italy etc.......Just who was it that fixed that shit?

I believe he was speaking of a future policy.

191 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:16:41pm

re: #189 Silhouette

If I leave work right now, how bad will the traffic be?

Say three "Hail Obamas" and the traffic will clear.

192 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:16:55pm

re: #189 Silhouette

If I leave work right now, how bad will the traffic be?

Well there will be at least one more car on the road?

193 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:17:48pm

re: #182 Silhouette

And he said that he would stop the oceans rising.

Since he is already President, as we can tell by his state visits to germany and france, the oceans have correspondingly begun to heal.

I think he's going to be able to walk back from France, after the Atlantic parts for him.

194 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:17:50pm

McCain is still swimming against the current, but I like his chances better than I did a week ago.
People are now beginning to notice Obamas extreme narcissism.
The knock off of the presidential seal, going on this tour as if he is already elected & can speak for the country.
How about, "We are who we have been waiting for?" Sounds a lot like, 'I am who am."
He is Messianic & may be a real head case.

195 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:18:17pm

re: #145 Opinionated

There will be an England in 20 years?

No - Englandistan

196 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:18:54pm

The Coolest Summer in Anchorage Ever article I was referring to.

197 Silhouette  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:18:58pm

Alright, I'll trust in the lightworker to clear my path home.

Hail Obama. He is Hope!
(correct response: He is Change!)

198 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:19:01pm

re: #185 Nevergiveup

whoops,sorry if i gave the wrong impression to you.I was really just throwing in my 2 cents.i agreed with what you posted.

199 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:19:04pm

re: #194 opnion

McCain is still swimming against the current, but I like his chances better than I did a week ago.
People are now beginning to notice Obamas extreme narcissism.
The knock off of the presidential seal, going on this tour as if he is already elected & can speak for the country.
How about, "We are who we have been waiting for?" Sounds a lot like, 'I am who am."
He is Messianic & may be a real head case.

The longer this trip lasts, the worse he seems to being doing in all the polling. Let him stay over there.

200 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:20:26pm

re: #195 vapig

No - Englandistan

Probably more like Grubitten.

/100 qatloos for the namer of the literary reference and/or author

201 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:20:29pm

re: #184 karmic_inquisitor

Prefers Boys Unless Hiary?

202 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:20:57pm

re: #199 Nevergiveup

The longer this trip lasts, the worse he seems to being doing in all the polling. Let him stay over there.

What a long strange trip it's been

203 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:22:00pm

re: #177 MoonbatBane

Malaki better be careful he doesn't get what he's wishing for. Why? BHO will pull ALL US forces out of Iraq as soon as possible. This will embolden the islamists, esp. the ones out of Iran. Within a year, his government will fall, and he will probably be one of the first ones killed by whatever puppet the Iranian mullahs place in power.

If that happens, though, I won't shed one tear for Malaki and his government. They will have reaped what they are sowing.


Malaki is a Shiite & very pro Iran. He sees them as brothers.
I definitely believe that he prefers Iran to the US. But notice that it was the U.S that lberated them from the Sunis & Saddams savegry

204 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:22:29pm

re: #184 karmic_inquisitor

BTW - I think we all should be more respectful of Obama when we post his name. Just as Muslims (and more and more western journalists) either refer to Mohammed as "the prophet" or use "PBUH", we should do something similar to recognize the Lightworker.

I propose "HIAR" which stands for "He Is Always Right".

That should be Lightworker Is Always Right.

205 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:22:41pm

re: #178 ec marm

When I first saw the nic SF Goth I thought, "Here we go."
It started out slow but is picking up speed as it heads towards the cliff...

/ after all of 49 comments

LOL, I'm considered an arch right-winger here (in S.F.) but I'm really a conservatarian. Just because I don't think GWB is all that doesn't make me a moonbat, and yes, he had a drug problem like Al (which proves I'm not a moonbat since they don't acknowledge that). In fact, whenever I buy something I can carry or put in my backpack, I decline a bag saying "don't need it and don't want to get in trouble with Al Gore". You won't find too many moonbats who supported Reagan's foreign policy (go MX!), never met a tax cut they didn't love, vote no on bond initiatives reflexively, support capital punishment for all kinds of felonies, not just murder, are anti-immigration, and work at a very pro-property rights/anti-rent control law firm, etc. Just because I don't swallow the Right's kool-aid doesn't mean I swallow the Left's. And if you hadn't noticed, I really, really, despise Islam -- and yes, I've tried to wade through that sewer called the Koran.

206 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:22:50pm

re: #201 Racer X

Prefers Boys Unless Hiary?

Prefers Boys Unusually Hairy!

207 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:22:55pm

re: #194 opnion

McCain is still swimming against the current, but I like his chances better than I did a week ago.
People are now beginning to notice Obamas extreme narcissism.
The knock off of the presidential seal, going on this tour as if he is already elected & can speak for the country.
How about, "We are who we have been waiting for?" Sounds a lot like, 'I am who am."
He is Messianic & may be a real head case.

He will be really good with the Nuclear Football. His Pollyanna "diplomacy" shtick will invite an attack bigger than 9/11, and he will turn to battlefield nukes so as to express "his resolve."

He takes everything personally.

208 BignJames  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:23:23pm
209 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:23:46pm

re: #200 OldLineTexan

Lost Continent, by: Edgar Rice Burroughs

But I disagree - any muslim country has to have STAN in the name.

210 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:23:48pm

re: #204 Son of the Black Dog

That should be Lightworker Is Always Right.

EXCELLENT! The better choice!

211 Opinionated  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:24:22pm

re: #159 'Nam Grunt

This blog used to be so much different as to opinions of our Country, now it's just filled with moonbat thinking, I disagree with you!

Bush is not our country.

He is a President who merited support when he was right and deserves criticisms when he has gone terribly wrong.

If you don't believe me, ask John Bolton.

212 pegcity  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:25:14pm

Why exactly did Obama go to Europe?

213 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:25:24pm

re: #211 Opinionated

I wish McCain would chose Bolton as his running mate!

214 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:25:31pm

re: #212 pegcity

Why exactly did Obama go to Europe?

To get to the other side?

215 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:25:46pm

re: #199 Nevergiveup

The longer this trip lasts, the worse he seems to being doing in all the polling. Let him stay over there.


He is overplaying his hand. It looks like Barry has bought into this God King stuff & may be delusional. I should no practice Psychiatry without a license as they say, but he is way too full of himself.

216 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:25:51pm

re: #209 vapig

Lost Continent, by: Edgar Rice Burroughs

But I disagree - any muslim country has to have STAN in the name.

Nicely done.

What shall we do with Iran, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, The United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc?

217 MarcusAurelius  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:26:14pm

IMHO this whole kerflufle over troop withdrawal is a bit of a smoke-screen. Yes Maliki may want less US combat troops over time. I think that is going to happen later rather than sooner. But, and it is a big but, the United States Air Force will be there for years to come at the huge Balad Air base north of Baghdad and elsewhere.

No Iraqi leader will want to have an Iraq without an air umbrella. And it will be years before they will have their own. I kinda like the idea that their's will be F-16s, not MIGs or

218 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:26:18pm

re: #212 pegcity

Why exactly did Obama go to Europe?

To get to the other side.

219 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:26:21pm

re: #213 vapig

I wish McCain would chose Bolton as his running mate!

Not likely to happen.

Now a place in the cabinet however...

220 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:27:01pm

re: #216 OldLineTexan

Nicely done.

What shall we do with Iran, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, The United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc?

Stan is very active in those countries.

221 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:29:30pm

re: #215 opnion

He is overplaying his hand. It looks like Barry has bought into this God King stuff & may be delusional. I should no practice Psychiatry without a license as they say, but he is way too full of himself.

Well the Church of Obamatology is openly opposed to the practice of Psychiatry.

Oh wait... that's Scientology that's opposed...

222 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:30:02pm

re: #220 VegasRick

sure it's just like home for stan,the heat,the stink,surrounded by evil.

223 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:30:37pm

re: #205 SFGoth

LOL, I'm considered an arch right-winger here (in S.F.) but I'm really a conservatarian. Just because I don't think GWB is all that doesn't make me a moonbat, and yes, he had a drug problem like Al (which proves I'm not a moonbat since they don't acknowledge that). In fact, whenever I buy something I can carry or put in my backpack, I decline a bag saying "don't need it and don't want to get in trouble with Al Gore". You won't find too many moonbats who supported Reagan's foreign policy (go MX!), never met a tax cut they didn't love, vote no on bond initiatives reflexively, support capital punishment for all kinds of felonies, not just murder, are anti-immigration, and work at a very pro-property rights/anti-rent control law firm, etc. Just because I don't swallow the Right's kool-aid doesn't mean I swallow the Left's. And if you hadn't noticed, I really, really, despise Islam -- and yes, I've tried to wade through that sewer called the Koran.

I am late to the thread so i won't comment on any of your posts other than this one.

I was raised in San Mateo and I know precisely how smug, uptight and sanctimonious the left is in the Bay Area. Sarcasm can only be directed at targets with an (R) after them - all else is VERBOTEN!

I live in the San Diego area which is much more Red but is getting an infection of sanctimonious Obamatons.

Sarcasm is still my weapon of choice.

Anyway - it is impossible for anyone on the SF peninsula to conform to the orthodoxy of non-RINO conservatism and still function in that society. I can and will attest to that.

224 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:31:02pm

re: #211 Opinionated

You have no idea of what you are talking about, and I'll leave it there. Don't post to me anymore!

225 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:31:09pm

re: #212 pegcity

Why exactly did Obama go to Europe?

Street creds.....

226 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:31:37pm

re: #207 karmic_inquisitor

He will be really good with the Nuclear Football. His Pollyanna "diplomacy" shtick will invite an attack bigger than 9/11, and he will turn to battlefield nukes so as to express "his resolve."

He takes everything personally.


He will cripple our Military. He is so smitten with his own percieved powers of negotgiation, that who needs a militray?
And I do not believe that he wants out of Iraq, so he can take care of business in Afghanistan. In"Dreams of My Father", he said that he would stand with the Muslims. They are Muslims.

227 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:31:43pm

re: #221 The Other Les

Well the Church of Obamatology is openly opposed to the practice of Psychiatry.

Oh wait... that's Scientology that's opposed...

I'd like to hear Dr. Krauthammer's psychiatrist take on BHO.

228 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:32:17pm

re: #224 'Nam Grunt

You have no idea of what you are talking about, and I'll leave it there. Don't post to me anymore!

What ever happened to the good ole days when we only argued about ID.

229 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:33:19pm

re: #220 VegasRick

Stan is very active in those countries.

We are discussing the naming conventions, not the religious activities. ;)

230 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:33:30pm

"The Palestinian Authority is considering cutting off its diplomatic contacts with Israel and unilaterally declaring statehood, the Arabic-language a-Sharq al-Awset daily reported on Friday. "

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

What if they threw a party and no one came?

231 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:33:31pm

re: #216 OldLineTexan

Nicely done.

What shall we do with Iran, Iraq, Syria, Qatar, The United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, etc?

Besides the Saud family, didn't the Brits name those when they redrew the lines? Because the breakaway countries (from the former USSR) are alot of stans.

232 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:33:46pm

re: #221 The Other Les

Well the Church of Obamatology is openly opposed to the practice of Psychiatry.

Oh wait... that's Scientology that's opposed...


For your pennance say ten Obamas & make a good Act of Barack.

233 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:34:08pm

re: #228 VegasRick

What ever happened to the good ole days when we only argued about ID.


//////////
I should have put these there.

234 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:34:11pm

re: #212 pegcity

Why exactly did Obama go to Europe?

To become a foreign policy expert, silly.

235 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:34:47pm

re: #229 OldLineTexan

We are discussing the naming conventions, not the religious activities. ;)

Kinda apropos though, don't you think?

236 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:34:58pm

re: #234 Racer X

To become a foreign policy expert, silly.

Did he stay in a Holiday Inn Express?

237 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:34:59pm

re: #233 VegasRick

I laughed when i read it...

238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:35:29pm

re: #223 karmic_inquisitor

I am late to the thread so i won't comment on any of your posts other than this one.

I was raised in San Mateo and I know precisely how smug, uptight and sanctimonious the left is in the Bay Area. Sarcasm can only be directed at targets with an (R) after them - all else is VERBOTEN!

I live in the San Diego area which is much more Red but is getting an infection of sanctimonious Obamatons.

Sarcasm is still my weapon of choice.

Anyway - it is impossible for anyone on the SF peninsula to conform to the orthodoxy of non-RINO conservatism and still function in that society. I can and will attest to that.

I'm in San Diego as well. Not a lot of Obamatons around, but the ones who are around WILL NOT SHUT THE HELL UP.

On the bright side, Union Tribune is going up for sale. Maybe we'll actually get a reasonable newspaper again.

239 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:35:39pm
240 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:36:10pm

re: #232 opnion

For your pennance say ten Obamas & make a good Act of Barack.

I'm a Suppressive Person. BO is Xenu!

Bwahahahahahah!

241 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:36:12pm

re: #230 Nevergiveup

"The Palestinian Authority is considering cutting off its diplomatic contacts with Israel and unilaterally declaring statehood, the Arabic-language a-Sharq al-Awset daily reported on Friday. "

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

What if they threw a party and no one came?

About fucking time. Get the g-damn charade over with, declare victory, and clean your damn streets. Then beg to be invaded and pumped full of reconstruction $.

242 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:36:27pm

re: #237 Boondock St. Bender

I laughed when i read it...

I laughed when I wrote it.

243 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:36:37pm

re: #231 vapig

Besides the Saud family, didn't the Brits name those when they redrew the lines? Because the breakaway countries (from the former USSR) are alot of stans.

I think the little -stans are a function of that part of the world.

And yes, the Brits presided over the botched abortion of the Middle East that has spawned a near-century of peace, love, goodwill, and fuzzy bunnies.

244 nyc redneck  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:36:38pm

re: #202 OldLineTexan

What a long strange trip it's been


you mean, flouncing around the world, tooting his horn and singing his own praises to fawning throngs of like minded european fools?
isn't that the ideal plan for all presumptive dem. candidates for potus?

245 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:37:04pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm in San Diego as well. Not a lot of Obamatons around, but the ones who are around WILL NOT SHUT THE HELL UP.

On the bright side, Union Tribune is going up for sale. Maybe we'll actually get a reasonable newspaper again.

Best newspaper in S.D. is the Koala.

246 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:37:08pm

re: #230 Nevergiveup

"The Palestinian Authority is considering cutting off its diplomatic contacts with Israel and unilaterally declaring statehood, the Arabic-language a-Sharq al-Awset daily reported on Friday. "

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

What if they threw a party and no one came?

Good.
That makes them an enemy state, and Israel can bomb the crap out of them until they surrender.
Can the palis wait until Olmerde is gone?

247 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:37:14pm

re: #232 opnion

For your pennance say ten Obamas & make a good Act of Barack.

I made a barack this afternoon. I really have to cut back on the jalapenos.

248 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:37:52pm

FWIW (not much), my opinion on Maliki is that he has screwed himself in the long term.

If Obama gets to POTUS with Maliki's help, the right will turn on Maliki as an Iranian supplicant. Maliki wants us out so he and his chums can plunder the country's resources and get on with the genocide of the Sunnis (Arabs and Kurds) in private.

When Obama gives us a feckless retrospective as we relive the Carter years (4 of them), the 2012 Republican POTUS will screw over the Iraqi Shia and restore Sunni hegemony over the entire region. Maliki will not survive that retribution.

He only has a few weeks to fix his mistake, which he won't do. He is thinking and acting like Arafat as he tries to screw the US into giving him more.

249 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:38:20pm

re: #241 SFGoth

asking them to build?...no,no,these folks are in the destruction buisness.it'll be "we r a nation...now make with the charity"

250 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:38:53pm

re: #240 The Other Les

I'm a Suppressive Person. BO is Xenu!

Bwahahahahahah!

Xerxes!

251 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:38:57pm

re: #244 nyc redneck

you mean, flouncing around the world, tooting his horn and singing his own praises to fawning throngs of like minded european fools?
isn't that the ideal plan for all presumptive dem. candidates for potus?

Remember the night of the last Presidential Election when Bush sent Kerry packing. The shots of the Europeans crying in their beer and wine was a high lite of my night.

252 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:38:58pm

re: #244 nyc redneck

you mean, flouncing around the world, tooting his horn and singing his own praises to fawning throngs of like minded european fools?
isn't that the ideal plan for all presumptive dem. candidates for potus?

I would pay to see BHO flounce.

253 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:40:04pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm in San Diego as well. Not a lot of Obamatons around, but the ones who are around WILL NOT SHUT THE HELL UP.

On the bright side, Union Tribune is going up for sale. Maybe we'll actually get a reasonable newspaper again.

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

254 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:40:22pm

re: #251 Nevergiveup

ah yes.the beer was good that nite!

255 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:41:03pm

re: #118 SFGoth

I've been saying this since day 1 -- we can leave 'em a fully modern, functioning peaceful country and they'll show the same Muslim gratitude towards non-Muslims they always show. Fuck 'em. Next time, next location, we just bomb the crap out of them. Someone worse comes along, we bomb him worse. WE don't fix shit.

You have all the subtlety of the DailyKos there Goth. Both sweeping generalizations and an adherence to a "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" ethos.

256 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:41:58pm
257 Rednek  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:42:00pm

The legend of the Annointed One:

He ventured forth to bring light to the world

258 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:42:32pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

Creepy! Think they are trying to cluster vote? Not that the dems need REAL people to be in an area they plan to take on the ballot. The dead and pets do nicely for them.

259 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:02pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Ask them to name Obama's accomplishments.

260 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:06pm

re: #250 opnion

Xerxes!

That's a bit of a problem...see rumor has it the Athenians have already turned you down.

261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:21pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

I get to drive past a house everyday on the drive home from work with a 10' sign that says "Who would Jesus Bomb?" next to their Obama lawn sign

262 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:34pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

That has happened to me. In the last year I have had a ready retort for them. I am 53 and I tell them: Your right, that is why I enlisted in the Navy. Their jaws drop and they shut up. I'm a Dr., so that is why they waived the age limit and took me.

263 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:41pm

re: #254 Boondock St. Bender

ah yes.the beer was good that nite!

How about the exit polls that morning? Kerry landslide! They were even discussing the new Kerry cabinet on Fox.
Do ya think that maybe the Bush vote got a little suppressed?

264 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:42pm

Paging Stinky Beaumont...

clean-up on aisle 188, please, big stinking Moby mess

265 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:43:45pm
266 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:44:36pm

re: #259 Occasional Reader

Ask them to name Obama's accomplishments.

That's acutally a fun game!

267 'Nam Grunt  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:44:38pm

The majority of this Country are conservative, and it will show in Nov.

268 ec marm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:44:45pm

re: #205 SFGoth
Well you seem okay, except for that one thing, which is kind of important; after eight years, if there was any truth whatsoever to the Bush coke use story the left would have paid some cokehead huge money to come forward and 'out' GWB. Since it hasn't happened it is hardly fair to repeat a left talking point and untruth. Dontcha think?
I mean, I make mistakes now about Obama, get a little too hasty, but I'm not going to continually repeat some untruth.

269 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:44:51pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

On the bright side, Union Tribune is going up for sale. Maybe we'll actually get a reasonable newspaper again.

Based on a recent visit to Madison, Wisconsin - I can happily report that the most left-wing paper in the country, The Capital Times, appears to have rolled over and sunk. Just a little floating debris remaining (communists being printed in the A.M. paper).

270 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:45:02pm
271 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:45:37pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

Ask them why they like to felliate our enemies.

272 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:46:13pm

re: #263 opnion

sure.one of my favorite photo's was of the punk with the" f..k middle america"sign.the lil bastard musta had stomach cramps for months!

273 opnion  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:46:22pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

They have forgotten how scared they were in the aftermath of 9/11.
Our troops were lauded. But, no more attacks on the U.S & the left is back to smug

274 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:46:57pm

re: #256 WrathofG-d

ot:

Thread Worthy?

PLO Mulls Unilateral Declaration of Statehood

no? No longer interesting?

275 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:47:13pm

re: #271 The Other Les

Ask them why they like to felliate our enemies.

Ask if they prefer they get killed in their schools and workplaces over here.

276 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:47:16pm

re: #264 kenneth

I saw no moby on 188

277 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:47:27pm

I'm hungry for updings, so I'm gonna go with a sure thing:

Obama: Ich bin ein Beginner!

I just made that up, right now. Nobody has ever said or written it before. Now, get to work, updingers.

278 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:47:30pm

re: #211 Opinionated

Bush is not our country.

He is a President who merited support when he was right and deserves criticisms when he has gone terribly wrong.

If you don't believe me, ask John Bolton.

There's criticism and then there's out and out moonbattery. I think we get the criticism, and how this is going to work out won't be known for a long time. It's looking like he didn't go so terribly wrong, but Tommy Franks sure did.

279 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:47:47pm

re: #255 CyanSnowHawk

You have all the subtlety of the DailyKos there Goth. Both sweeping generalizations and an adherence to a "Kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out" ethos.

She does that quite well.
Funny thing is, I made a post this morning at the S.F. Chronicle website about Berkeley tree sitters who are holding up cutting with essentially - cut 'em down and let gravity sort 'em out.
I've actually never read a single post at DK except what's excerpted here. Subtlety in a posting format such as this is overrated.

280 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:48:09pm

re: #276 vapig

I saw no moby on 188

Agreed. Watchoo talkin' bout, Willis? I mean, kenneth?

281 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:48:19pm

re: #274 WrathofG-d

no? No longer interesting?

What is Abbas gonna call his country. Rammallahstan?

282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:48:19pm

re: #274 WrathofG-d

no? No longer interesting?

They seem to make that claim every 5-6 months as an attention getter. They said the same thing when Kosovo broke away.

283 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:48:22pm

re: #261 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I get to drive past a house everyday on the drive home from work with a 10' sign that says "Who would Jesus Bomb?" next to their Obama lawn sign

Have the idiots read Revelation? Jesus is coming, and boy is He pissed.

284 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:48:40pm
285 ec marm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:48:52pm

re: #264 kenneth

Paging Stinky Beaumont...

clean-up on aisle 188, please, big stinking Moby mess


Wanna try that number again?

286 stevieray  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:49:02pm

re: #264 kenneth

Paging Stinky Beaumont...

clean-up on aisle 188, please, big stinking Moby mess

Hmmm... 188 looks fine to me.

287 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:49:23pm

re: #274 WrathofG-d

They had their chance 50 years ago. They are a little slow.

288 stevieray  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:49:38pm

re: #276 vapig

I saw no moby on 188

Maybe he meant 168?

289 jcm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:50:03pm

re: #259 Occasional Reader

Ask them to name Obama's accomplishments.

He's been very busy in the Senate introducing legislation!
On December 7, 2007, Obama introduced the Senate version of the Global Poverty Act of 2007 (S.2433).

See!

But they never come up with that for some reason.

290 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:50:17pm

re: #274 WrathofG-d

Sorry, Wrath. I think it very thread worthy!

291 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:50:20pm

re: #277 Occasional Reader

That's one for the ages, OR.

292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:50:22pm

re: #283 OldLineTexan

Have the idiots read Revelation? Jesus is coming, and boy is He pissed.

Apparently not. Its just a simple platitude for them. Nothing in the bible says you can't wage war when its necessary.

293 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:51:06pm

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

"Unilateral Declaration of Statehood" on what grounds ground?

And I'm mulling my unilateral declaration that Adriana Lima is totally into me.

The PLO "mull" reminds me of a headline from The Onion from a few years back:

Tibet Activitists Seize Yak

"Whatever" responds China

294 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:51:07pm

re: #168 SFGoth

When one swears it is to reinforce a point.

295 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:51:38pm

re: #281 Nevergiveup

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

re: #287 Racer X

I do wonder what would happen if the PLO Terrorists took that approach. Would Israel actually step up when attacked? How would they deal with the undoubful World acceptance of this unilateral statehood?

296 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:52:07pm
297 jcm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:52:20pm

re: #283 OldLineTexan

Have the idiots read Revelation? Jesus is coming, and boy is He pissed.

Damn straight.

298 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:52:37pm

re: #292 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently not. Its just a simple platitude for them. Nothing in the bible says you can't wage war when its necessary.

In Revelation, there is a lot of "pouring out" going on that makes this war look like Malcolm X day at the San Francisco library.

299 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:52:50pm

re: #283 OldLineTexan

Have the idiots read Revelation? Jesus is coming, and boy is He pissed.

Didn't you hear? He's already here. Just finished the tour. Calls himself Barack, though.

300 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:53:09pm

re: #283 OldLineTexan

Have the idiots read Revelation? Jesus is coming, and boy is He pissed.

LOL! Nicely put!

301 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:53:21pm

re: #290 vapig


I personally vote for the Jews of Judea and Samaria revoking their Israeli citizenship and thereafter unilaterally declaring themselves the Independent State of Judea.

If we can have over 20+ Islamic Countries....why not 2 Jewish ones?

302 talon_262  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:54:13pm

re: #26 taxfreekiller

Until America comes to understand the current Democrats will cause the utter failure of America, cause the whole world to descend into class warfare, joblessness, famine, no energy, no freedom, and real wars from the commie dictators they enable world wide, until then the decent will continue. Quit the denial, face the truth, we have evil within and no one has confronted it, and it grows day by day in its evil.

Facts count. Stand up, take your country back.

Bravo, tfk...

303 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:54:16pm

re: #299 kansas

Didn't you hear? He's already here. Just finished the tour. Calls himself Barack, though.

He's got a typo...that's "wine", not "whine".

304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:54:18pm
305 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:54:24pm
306 Dave the.....  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:54:39pm

We should have a thread on McCains speach.....


[Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

What the heck, here it is:


Senator Obama and I also faced a decision, which amounted to a real-time test for a future commander-in-chief. America passed that test. I believe my judgment passed that test. And I believe Senator Obama's failed.
We both knew the politically safe choice was to support some form of retreat. All the polls said the "surge" was unpopular. Many pundits, experts and policymakers opposed it and advocated withdrawing our troops and accepting the consequences. I chose to support the new counterinsurgency strategy backed by additional troops -- which I had advocated since 2003, after my first trip to Iraq. Many observers said my position would end my hopes of becoming president. I said I would rather lose a campaign than see America lose a war. My choice was not smart politics. It didn't test well in focus groups. It ignored all the polls. It also didn't matter. The country I love had one final chance to succeed in Iraq. The new strategy was it. So I supported it. Today, the effects of the new strategy are obvious. The surge has succeeded, and we are, at long last, finally winning this war.

Senator Obama made a different choice. He not only opposed the new strategy, but actually tried to prevent us from implementing it. He didn't just advocate defeat, he tried to legislate it. When his efforts failed, he continued to predict the failure of our troops. As our soldiers and Marines prepared to move into Baghdad neighborhoods and Anbari villages, Senator Obama predicted that their efforts would make the sectarian violence in Iraq worse, not better.

And as our troops took the fight to the enemy, Senator Obama tried to cut off funding for them. He was one of only 14 senators to vote against the emergency funding in May 2007 that supported our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. ...

Three weeks after Senator Obama voted to deny funding for our troops in the field, General Ray Odierno launched the first major combat operations of the surge. Senator Obama declared defeat one month later: "My assessment is that the surge has not worked and we will not see a different report eight weeks from now." His assessment was popular at the time. But it couldn't have been more wrong.

By November 2007, the success of the surge was becoming apparent. Attacks on Coalition forces had dropped almost 60 percent from pre-surge levels. American casualties had fallen by more than half. Iraqi civilian deaths had fallen by more than two-thirds. But Senator Obama ignored the new and encouraging reality. "Not only have we not seen improvements," he said, "but we're actually worsening, potentially, a situation there."

307 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:07pm

re: #301 WrathofG-d

I personally vote for the Jews of Judea and Samaria revoking their Israeli citizenship and thereafter unilaterally declaring themselves the Independent State of Judea.

If we can have over 20+ Islamic Countries....why not 2 Jewish ones?

Will the Judean Liberation Front and the Liberation Front of Judea fight it out for supremacy?

308 Dave the.....  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:09pm

Part 2:

If Senator Obama had prevailed, American forces would have had to retreat under fire. The Iraqi Army would have collapsed. Civilian casualties would have increased dramatically. Al Qaeda would have killed the Sunni sheikhs who had begun to cooperate with us, and the "Sunni Awakening" would have been strangled at birth. Al Qaeda fighters would have safe havens, from where they could train Iraqis and foreigners, and turn Iraq into a base for launching attacks on Americans elsewhere. Civil war, genocide and wider conflict would have been likely.

Above all, America would have been humiliated and weakened. Our military, strained by years of sacrifice, would have suffered a demoralizing defeat. Our enemies around the globe would have been emboldened. ...

Senator Obama told the American people what he thought you wanted to hear. I told you the truth.

Fortunately, Senator Obama failed, not our military. We rejected the audacity of hopelessness, and we were right. Violence in Iraq fell to such low levels for such a long time that Senator Obama, detecting the success he never believed possible, falsely claimed that he had always predicted it. ... In Iraq, we are no longer on the doorstep of defeat, but on the road to victory.

Senator Obama said this week that even knowing what he knows today that he still would have opposed the surge. In retrospect, given the opportunity to choose between failure and success, he chooses failure. I cannot conceive of a Commander in Chief making that choice.

309 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:13pm

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

As if the "Palis" are suddenly innovative in proposing such a thing.

From the Jihad Motto Book: Never do yourself what you can get a dhimmi to do for you. Then take credit.

This is the equivalent of blowing smoke rings from the hookah.

310 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:20pm

re: #286 stevieray

my mistage, I'm referring to #118

the mock cynicism reaks. Does anybody here really think somebody with the nic SF Goth is a conservative? Pro-American? Legit?

311 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:35pm

re: #295 WrathofG-d

re: #284 buzzsawmonkey

re: #287 Racer X

I do wonder what would happen if the PLO Terrorists took that approach. Would Israel actually step up when attacked? How would they deal with the undoubful World acceptance of this unilateral statehood?

I actually don't think the world would be so fond of that move. There was a time that PA might have been able to claim a controlling interest in Gaza and a sizeable % of the West Bank. What do they control now? Jericho and Rammallah?

312 talon_262  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:37pm

re: #39 The Other Les

You will now be declared a Suppressive Person by the Church of Obamatology.

Why does not not seem too far from the truth about the Obamites?

;-P

313 baxtrice  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:55:51pm

I need to start drinking again.

314 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:56:47pm

re: #291 godfrey

That's one for the ages, OR.

You do know that I'm kidding, right... the "Beginner" remark has been recycled several times this week, and keeps getting into the Top 10...

315 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:56:56pm

re: #299 kansas

Didn't you hear? He's already here. Just finished the tour. Calls himself Barack, though.

I thought he is one of the false prophets we were warned about.

316 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:57:32pm

re: #304 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Theres a man going round, taking names

God's Gonna Cut You Down

Even moonbats believe when the Man in Black preaches...

317 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:57:45pm

re: #307 OldLineTexan

You mean these guys? Interesting enough, and keeping on theme: I guess they would be fending off these guys.

318 yochanan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:57:52pm

Bre: #301 WrathofG-d


Without TZHAL the [bigoted word]s would eat them alive. you might what to rethink that idea.

319 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:58:08pm

re: #307 OldLineTexan

Will the Judean Liberation Front and the Liberation Front of Judea fight it out for supremacy?

What about the Popular Front?

320 sattv4u2  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:58:33pm

re: #313 baxtrice

I need to start drinking again.

that's why i never stopped !

321 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:58:44pm

re: #313 baxtrice

I need to start drinking again.

Me too.

322 Iron Fist  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:59:04pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor,

My response would be "I don't. That's why I like nuclear weapons. Get it over fast, and never worry about the problem again."

323 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:59:12pm

re: #319 The Other Les

What about the Popular Front?

He's over there.

324 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:59:14pm

re: #305 buzzsawmonkey

Then the World [sic] will condemn Israel for genocide.re: #314 Occasional Reader

Sorry, I didn't know. I've been away. Whatever! Bon mot, etc.

325 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:59:16pm

FNDT Declared! It's Miller time here

326 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 2:59:53pm

re: #311 Nevergiveup

the PLO (aka: the acceptable face of Hamas, and assorted other Islamic Terrorists) controll all of Gaza and Judea/Samaria. The split between the PA and Hamas is a good cop/bad cop farce.

327 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:00:00pm

From a previous thread:

#334 SFGoth 7/18/2008 3:18:56 pm PDT


I have come to the conclusion that ID is partially correct. God must have created the plants because marijuana is something so wonderful that it could not have randomly evolved. We should thank Her for it and be happy we evolved to have THC receptors in our brains!


Is it serious? Certainly, it's not to be taken seriously. I call moby.

328 The Other Les  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:00:19pm

re: #323 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He's over there.

Splitter!

329 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:00:26pm

I second *hic* that motion.

330 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:00:38pm

re: #301 WrathofG-d

I personally vote for the Jews of Judea and Samaria revoking their Israeli citizenship and thereafter unilaterally declaring themselves the Independent State of Judea.

If we can have over 20+ Islamic Countries....why not 2 Jewish ones?

While I'm not opposed to two Jewish countries, I don't understand the purpose of splitting the Israeli state. Please elaborate.

331 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:01:05pm

re: #259 Occasional Reader

Ask them to name Obama's accomplishments.

I ask them to name a full time job that he has held. then I ask them if they would have a stock broker who has never managed a dollar or placed a trade manage all of their wealth.

That usually gets a stunned guffaw - then I follow up that the Lightworker has never held an 8 to 5 full time job and that he has never authored a piece of legislation that reached the President's desk, let alone signed into law.

I finish with "Running the largest organization in all of history with the power to blow up every major city on the planet is not an entry level job."

That shuts them up (and gets me shunned for the rest of the evening).

332 baxtrice  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:01:38pm

re: #320 sattv4u2

that's why i never stopped !

It's 5 O' Clock somewhere. (here in TX) :)

333 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:01:38pm

re: #318 yochanan

You aren't thinking this one out. I have faith in the residents of post-1967 Israel, and their ability to defend themselves if they didn't fear Tzhal reprocussions, arreast, and Knesset threats. Furthermore, Israel can act as Iran does with Lebanon, and the Phakestinians. Full training, money, weapons, etc.

334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:02:12pm

re: #331 karmic_inquisitor

That shuts them up (and gets me shunned for the rest of the evening).

Sounds like a win/win situation.

Human interaction is over-rated.

335 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:02:38pm

re: #262 Nevergiveup

Good for you. I used to get the chickenhawk thing till people learned I am a veteran.

336 stevieray  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:02:38pm

re: #327 kenneth

Could be... worth keeping an eye on.

337 yochanan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:02:41pm

re: #330 vapig

idological foolishness just because the israeli pols are way too far to the left doesn't mean you want to commit suicide.

338 itellu3times  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:02:55pm

re: #270 buzzsawmonkey

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Once a jolly moonbat crafted himself photo-ops
Under the smiles of anchors from tv,
And he sang as he smirked and waited 'til November came
"Citizens of the world, come a-flouncing with me!"

Flouncing Obama, Flouncing Obama
"You'll come a-flouncing, thou flunkies, with me!"
And he sang as he smirked and waited 'til November came
"You'll come a-flouncing, thou flunkies, with me."

Down came a Hildabeast to refinance at his expense,
Up got the moonbat and grabbed her with glee,
And he sang as he stowed that Hilda in his tucker bag,
"You'll come a-flouncing, Miss Hilda, with me."

(refrain)

Down came the McCain, mounted on his thoroughbred,
Up came the voters, one, two, three,
"Thanks for bagging Hilda, but now it's time for gravity"
"You come a-flouncing, Obama, with me."

(refrain)

Up got the moonbat and jumped into obscurity,
"You'll never stop all the changes", said he,
And his ghost may be heard as you pass by your tv set,
"You'll come a-flouncing, thou flunkies, with me."

(refrain)

339 Occasional Reader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:03:17pm

re: #331 karmic_inquisitor

I finish with "Running the largest organization in all of history with the power to blow up every major city on the planet is not an entry level job."

You need to copyright that, pronto.

340 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:03:40pm
341 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:04:05pm

re: #327 kenneth

From a previous thread:

#334 SFGoth 7/18/2008 3:18:56 pm PDT
I have come to the conclusion that ID is partially correct. God must have created the plants because marijuana is something so wonderful that it could not have randomly evolved. We should thank Her for it and be happy we evolved to have THC receptors in our brains!

Is it serious? Certainly, it's not to be taken seriously. I call moby.

Moby Grape? Is what serious? The overall tone of my post was sarcastic, some of the points therein are not.

342 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:04:12pm

re: #331 karmic_inquisitor

"Running the largest organization in all of history with the power to blow up every major city on the planet is not an entry level job."

I'm sure you would not consider it "stealing" were I to use that....

343 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:04:41pm

re: #319 The Other Les

What about the Popular Front?

To the Other Les and Wrath of G-d:

Yes, that's it. I was too lazy to go look it up and miss 100 posts.

344 RedPepper  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:05:12pm

Barry ! the
Lightworker Is Always Right !

O Brother ! '08 !

/Hat tip & kudos to : Son of the Black Dog

345 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:05:25pm

re: #339 Occasional Reader

re: #342 wrenchwench

I'm sure you would not consider it "stealing" were I to use that....

Unless you had a lawyer waiting in the wings....

346 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:05:58pm

re: #330 vapig

The major complaint against Israel is that she is "occupying" the Phakestinian land. Thus by recinding their connection to the Jewish communities outside of the 1967 lines, the entire area is more clearly "in dispute". Unlike Israel has done with the Arabs, they can give their disputed portion to the Jews who live there. (this would make things legal). It would also take Israel out of the equation. In the end you would have desires and rights one independent Arab nationalistic group, against the right and desires of an equal independent Jewish group. It would wash the State of Israel's hands of the problem while still maintaining their security concerns. (ie: they can be there by the permission of Judea for protection, but wouldn't be "occupying".

At the same time it would allow Israel to support the resistance of the Judeans against the terrorist Arab threat, similar to the way that the Arab states use the Phakestinians as a proxy.

It would no longer be the evil occupying huge strong Israel against the poor innocent displaced Phakestinians, but instead these same Phakestinians against the poor innocent displaced Judeans.

The Jews living in Judea and Samaria would become the Jewish equivalent of the Phakestinians.

347 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:06:05pm

re: #326 WrathofG-d

the PLO (aka: the acceptable face of Hamas, and assorted other Islamic Terrorists) controll all of Gaza and Judea/Samaria. The split between the PA and Hamas is a good cop/bad cop farce.

Yeah, I basically could agree with what you say. But they do hated each other and will at the drop of the hat kill each other. Even the Europeans pretty much realize their all thugs.

348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:07:30pm

Fifth of Burmese aid cash lost to exchange rate trick

International aid agencies helping the victims of the devastating cyclone in Burma are losing as much as a fifth of the money that they bring into the country because of arbitrary foreign exchange rules imposed by the military dictatorship.

Foreign non-governmental organisations and United Nations agencies, such as the UN Development Programme and the World Food Programme, are compelled to exchange US dollars for convertible vouchers known to expatriates as “Monopoly money” before they are changed into local currency for as much as 20 per cent below the market rate. The money lost in these transactions could otherwise have been spent on the millions of people who lost homes and livelihoods in Cyclone Nargis, which killed about 138,000 when it struck the Irrawaddy Delta on May 2.

349 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:08:07pm

re: #340 buzzsawmonkey

Unfortunately, I believe people who live there (like Carl in Jerusalem) has explained that their politicians now enjoy a policy that they do exactly what the world wants and not what is right for Israel. That last deal with hezballah is a prime example of this policy.

350 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:08:13pm

re: #347 Nevergiveup

They "hate" eachother like brothers. Ie: although they fight alot, not so much "hate".

351 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:09:08pm

re: #342 wrenchwench

Please use it.

Please.

352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:09:30pm

re: #349 vapig

Unfortunately, I believe people who live there (like Carl in Jerusalem) has explained that their politicians now enjoy a policy that they do exactly what the world wants and not what is right for Israel. That last deal with hezballah is a prime example of this policy.

Sounds exactly like Obama and what the Dems want to do with America.

353 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:09:54pm

re: #253 karmic_inquisitor

I am in Poway and they are popping up all over. Smug people who ask "Why do you like war and sending our young off to be killed?" at social events.

Real charmers.

They are a fucking cult.

I'm in Poway as well. My wife likes reading the crime reports in the News Chieftan. All minor stuff compared to the crap we used to get in Spring Valley.

I've got an old friend that is a teacher in Santee that gave me the full on moonbat perspective from a couple years ago at a July 4th party four weeks ago. Complete with rants about blood for oil and the missing WMDs. When I brought up the 550 tons(m) of yellowcake he quickly diverted to a strawman argument about brainwashing the entire population of Iraq into liking America. Over and over again it went, he raised an argument, I shot it down, he changed the subject. He has been seduced by the dark side, and I can no longer sense the good in him.

354 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:10:09pm
355 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:10:50pm

re: #350 WrathofG-d

They "hate" eachother like brothers. Ie: although they fight alot, not so much "hate".

What about when Hamas was trying to set Olympic records for distance when tossing Fatah members off of the roofs of buildings? Were is the Wide World of Sports when you really need them?

356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:10:58pm

Got a lot of SD lizards around. We should arrange a meet up sometime.

357 stevieray  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:11:05pm

Friday! Time for some tunes!

How about some Wilco?

358 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:11:16pm

re: #352 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

In the end they want the world to run like the U.N. (if not by the U.N.), we all see how well that works.

But how typical of a leftist to give up all personal choice and rights in the name of personal freedom.

359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:12:04pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup

What about when Hamas was trying to set Olympic records for distance when tossing Fatah members off of the roofs of buildings? Were is the Wide World of Sports when you really need them?

They're right here

360 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:12:08pm

re: #340 buzzsawmonkey

Right on all counts.

That's also why this business of "repairing America's image abroad" is horsesh*t. Show me the actual rifts. They're not refusing our defense expenditures on their behalf. They're not tearing up trade agreements. They're not closing embassies.

Yeah, war and having convictions upon which one acts is all unpopular with the selfish and the effete. Yawn.

361 akak  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:12:27pm

Well ya know Maliki gets support from McCampaign, why not cover the other side?

362 n in wi  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:12:32pm

The formation of a Palestinian state would only cause the straw man argument to disappear.  Then Arab people would look at their own thuggish and dictatorial leaders to solve any grievances. This would cause the Kingdoms to be put in a position to address these grievances. In turn some sharing and generation of wealth my be requested. This is the reason negotiating with Arafat was a failed approach from the start. Arafat worked Billy-Jeff to the point of almost everything he wanted,then backed out at the 11th hour. Arab leaders prefer to blame The Big Satan and The Little Satan.
Peace negotiations only work when both sides want peace. 

363 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:12:34pm

re: #355 Nevergiveup


That was a fight. How long after that did it really take for Fatah, and Hamas to reconcille? They live according to the rules of the Middle East (where death, clan fighting, and violence is the norm), not Western rules where that would be the end of the relationship altogether.

364 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:13:04pm

re: #346 WrathofG-d

The major complaint against Israel is that she is "occupying" the Phakestinian land. Thus by recinding their connection to the Jewish communities outside of the 1967 lines, the entire area is more clearly "in dispute". Unlike Israel has done with the Arabs, they can give their disputed portion to the Jews who live there. (this would make things legal). It would also take Israel out of the equation. In the end you would have desires and rights one independent Arab nationalistic group, against the right and desires of an equal independent Jewish group. It would wash the State of Israel's hands of the problem while still maintaining their security concerns. (ie: they can be there by the permission of Judea for protection, but wouldn't be "occupying".

At the same time it would allow Israel to support the resistance of the Judeans against the terrorist Arab threat, similar to the way that the Arab states use the Phakestinians as a proxy.

It would no longer be the evil occupying huge strong Israel against the poor innocent displaced Phakestinians, but instead these same Phakestinians against the poor innocent displaced Judeans.

The Jews living in Judea and Samaria would become the Jewish equivalent of the Phakestinians.

I rather like the irony possed by this scenario.

365 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:13:57pm
366 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:14:07pm

re: #359 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're right here

Harvard Grad?

367 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:15:16pm

re: #353 CyanSnowHawk

I'm in Poway as well. My wife likes reading the crime reports in the News Chieftan. All minor stuff compared to the crap we used to get in Spring Valley.

I've got an old friend that is a teacher in Santee that gave me the full on moonbat perspective from a couple years ago at a July 4th party four weeks ago. Complete with rants about blood for oil and the missing WMDs. When I brought up the 550 tons(m) of yellowcake he quickly diverted to a strawman argument about brainwashing the entire population of Iraq into liking America. Over and over again it went, he raised an argument, I shot it down, he changed the subject. He has been seduced by the dark side, and I can no longer sense the good in him.

Sad about your friend. I have a few folks who went that way - there is no talking to them - even the weather is off limits because of CO2.

Nice to know another Powegian.

I am up in High Valley - where the city manager decided to bar firefighters from entering during the Witch Fire. Tell the neighbors about Cunningham who is running for City Council - he is from the dark side. He is a labor attorney and his campaign is getting cash from several public employee unions in a hope to unionize the city employees.

368 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:15:20pm

re: #362 n in wi

God Almighty, if the Phakestinians get a state, the damnded KSA won't just be sending "humanitarian" aid. They'll send unrestricted funds, bushel after bushel, which the Phakes will use to buy weapons. That's a feckin given at this point.

369 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:15:30pm

re: #364 vapig

Wrath for P.M. :)

370 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:15:40pm

re: #331 karmic_inquisitor

I ask them to name a full time job that he has held. then I ask them if they would have a stock broker who has never managed a dollar or placed a trade manage all of their wealth.

That usually gets a stunned guffaw - then I follow up that the Lightworker has never held an 8 to 5 full time job and that he has never authored a piece of legislation that reached the President's desk, let alone signed into law.

I finish with "Running the largest organization in all of history with the power to blow up every major city on the planet is not an entry level job."

That shuts them up (and gets me shunned for the rest of the evening).

The only job Obama has ever had is fighting over what t!t he's going to latch on to next.

371 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:16:22pm

re: #370 jorline

And he fights for quality time with the waffles. And don't you forget it.

372 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:16:31pm

re: #363 WrathofG-d

That was a fight. How long after that did it really take for Fatah, and Hamas to reconcille? They live according to the rules of the Middle East (where death, clan fighting, and violence is the norm), not Western rules where that would be the end of the relationship altogether.

Ok, I'll give you that one. Anyway, I gonna start drinking to get ready for the Yankee-Red Sox game tonight.

373 Thanos  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:16:55pm
374 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:17:12pm

BBL - cyan and kragar - we will have to get together. Gotta head up to Ramona right now to drop some stuff off at the in-laws. Take care.

375 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:17:25pm

re: #283 OldLineTexan

Have the idiots read Revelation? Jesus is coming, and boy is He pissed.

Uh Oh, everybody look busy.

376 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:17:44pm

re: #372 Nevergiveup

Drinking? Not fair, some of us are still at work. Drink 2 for me then.

377 BignJames  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:17:44pm
378 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:17:58pm

re: #346 WrathofG-d

No way that scenario will play out. No way.

379 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:18:16pm

re: #362 n in wi

The formation of a Palestinian state would require Palestinians to be held accountable for their actions. They will have to govern themselves and take care of their people without relying solely on foreign income.

Will never happen.

380 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:19:09pm

re: #371 godfrey

And he fights for quality time with the waffles. And don't you forget it.

ummmmmmmmmmmm...waffles and milk

381 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:19:21pm

re: #378 godfrey


where do you see problems?

382 ec marm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:19:33pm

HALT ONSHORE FARMING!

CNN is screaming about the oil spill on the Mississippi River. Not once in the past hour have they mentioned it is bio-diesel oil. From stuff like soy beans.

383 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:20:25pm

re: #376 WrathofG-d

Drinking? Not fair, some of us are still at work. Drink 2 for me then.

Beseder

384 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:20:57pm

re: #380 jorline

ummmmmmmmmmmm...waffles and milk

Mmmmm, patented space age moon waffles
[Link: www.recipezaar.com...]
Funnies episode ever, IMO

385 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:20:59pm

Is this any relation to our new friend?

[Link: www.sfgoth.com...]

386 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:21:15pm

re: #379 Racer X

Are you crazy? The EC has thrown upwards of 300M at the Palis and have basically winked at the Pali failure to meet their accounting benchmarks. The 300M gives the EC political cover, and they won't give that up once the Palis get their "state." They'll just re-categorize it as "foreign aid."

387 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:21:36pm

re: #372 Nevergiveup

you got a horse in the race?

388 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:22:46pm

re: #387 Boondock St. Bender

you got a horse in the race?

389 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:23:09pm

re: #387 Boondock St. Bender

you got a horse in the race?

I bleed pin stripes.

390 n in wi  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:23:12pm

re: #379 Racer X

Some think,not myself, that all the middleastern problems go away with a Palestinian state.

391 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:23:19pm

re: #388 Nevergiveup

yanks or sox?

392 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:23:38pm

re: #385 kenneth

Is this any relation to our new friend?

[Link: www.sfgoth.com...]

Of course! Not all gothchicks are moonbatty, and corsets are so decadent.

393 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:24:18pm

re: #391 Boondock St. Bender

yanks or sox?

Yanks

394 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:24:31pm

re: #384 SFGoth

Mmmmm, patented space age moon waffles
[Link: www.recipezaar.com...]
Funnies episode ever, IMO


Jenny Craig highly recommends them I'm sure.

395 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:24:39pm

re: #389 Nevergiveup

that must be painful....lol.
now is the time for the yanks to step up.

396 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:26:07pm

re: #381 WrathofG-d

Because the problem is, as it has always been, jihad. This is not about states and borders and sovereignty. It's about obliterating the Jews.

Once the Phakes get their state, they will set up account numbers. Money will gush in, from every direction, because everyone will want to take credit for supporting the "settlement."

Then the jihadis will get all kinds of shiny new weapons, and the first pretext of Israeli hostility (which will likely be goaded) will erupt into war.

"Judea" will win, decisively, but the rest of the world will shun it because it will be in the elite's political interest to shun it.

Not good.

397 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:26:38pm

OSLO: Norwegian police and immigration authorities have increased security at a refugee center following a mass attack - allegedly involving Chechens armed with steel rods, knives and other weapons - that left more than 20 asylum-seekers injured.

398 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:26:57pm

re: #386 godfrey

All I'm saying is with statehood comes accountability. They have had their chance to declare this many times in the past 50 years. What holds them back?

399 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:27:44pm

re: #395 Boondock St. Bender

that must be painful....lol.
now is the time for the yanks to step up.

I am old enough to have had the good times and the bad. I was at the stadium the night Reggie hit 3 in the world series and also when tino and scott hit them out in the 9th to tie Arizona.

400 stevieray  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:27:56pm

re: #379 Racer X

The formation of a Palestinian state would require Palestinians to be held accountable for their actions. They will have to govern themselves and take care of their people without relying solely on foreign income.

Will never happen.

Yep. Remember: the primary goal of the Arab Muslim world is the elimination of Israel, not the welfare of the Palestinians. Kill the Jews and clean Dar al Islam of their presence.

401 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:28:42pm

OT

Cool photos
Not Photoshopped.

402 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:29:13pm

re: #398 Racer X

All I'm saying is with statehood comes accountability. They have had their chance to declare this many times in the past 50 years. What holds them back?

A pair of balls.

403 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:29:48pm

re: #396 godfrey

I never accepted Judea to be accepted, as an individual State acknowledge by the U.N., etc. It is solely my attempt to eliminate all arguments people have against Israel at the moment. (well those that don't just support her destruction), while making fighting the Arab Terrorists "just".

Just as the PLO will never become a state (and if it did it would just become a part of Jordan) Judea would never actually become a unique state, (but if it did it would just become a part of Jordan)

In essence, Judea is just a way to fight fire with fire. Israel would secretly fully support Judea, while condeming "all forms of attack and terrorism."

404 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:30:42pm

re: #367 karmic_inquisitor

Sad about your friend. I have a few folks who went that way - there is no talking to them - even the weather is off limits because of CO2.

Nice to know another Powegian.

I am up in High Valley - where the city manager decided to bar firefighters from entering during the Witch Fire. Tell the neighbors about Cunningham who is running for City Council - he is from the dark side. He is a labor attorney and his campaign is getting cash from several public employee unions in a hope to unionize the city employees.

Oh dear. I'm not voting for Cunningham then. The public employee unions have made a mess of San Diego City. I'm down in the valley, just a little SouthEast of Poway/Carriage.

405 n in wi  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:30:46pm

re: #400 stevieray

Yep. Remember: the primary goal of the Arab Muslim world is the elimination of Israel, not the welfare of the Palestinians. Kill the Jews and clean Dar al Islam of their presence.

I believe Katie Curic is planning a hard hitting piece on this very subject. Or maybe it was going to be on the View.

406 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:31:26pm

re: #403 WrathofG-d

Funny you should mention Jordan. It only exists as a state in the Middle East because of 2 reasons. Israel and the USA.

407 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:31:30pm

Gaddafi cuts off the tap.
Libyan Leader Moamar Gaddafi says he will quit pumping oil to Switzerland over his sons arrest last week.

Libya said on Thursday it would halt fuel supplies to key oil client Switzerland in the latest reprisal for last week’s brief detention in Geneva of a son of Libyan leader Moamer Kadhafi.

The announcement came as a Swiss delegation held talks with Libyan officials at the foreign ministry in Tripoli in a bid to defuse tensions, diplomatic sources said.

The Swiss foreign ministry has said that the delegation will provide explanations on the arrest of Hannibal Kadhafi, 32, and his wife, on July 15 in a Geneva hotel. The couple was accused of assaulting some of their staff members.

Oh yeah, Hannibal is a great name for a son.

408 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:32:19pm

re: #406 Nevergiveup

Actually, Jordan exists because Britain created it.

409 UKPost  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:33:26pm

The US still basks in the belief of its own invincibility. As such it falls prey to the turf wars between agencies whose superiority over their domestic rivals matters more than the detrimental effect their antics may have on the standing and effectiveness of American power in the world. The same applies to the political arena. Vietnam was a war that might have been won but it was more useful to the Democrats to see it lost and for it to remain a perceived albatross around the Republican's neck. (Ironic given it was Kennedy's war but who said politics was rationale!) The same is sought for Iraq for regardless of the progress that has finally been achieved, the allure of a new stick to beat the opposing Right domestically is far more important to the Left than the incalculable damage to American prestige, and as a by-product to World stability, that will be caused by America's failure. The result of a US election has never been so important. MN/London.

410 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:33:27pm

re: #407 kenneth

Does Switzerland have an Air Force capable of bombing Qaddafi's tent?

411 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:33:55pm

re: #408 kenneth

Actually, Jordan exists because Britain created it.

Yes, but who sustains it in modern times?

412 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:34:21pm

re: #407 kenneth

Gaddafi cuts off the tap.
Libyan Leader Moamar Gaddafi says he will quit pumping oil to Switzerland over his sons arrest last week.


Oh yeah, Hannibal is a great name for a son.

I guess Hannibal can do what he wants when Daddy has the Swiss by the balls.

413 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:34:26pm

re: #357 stevieray

I agree, how about some tunes.

414 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:35:17pm

re: #412 jorline

Maybe, but were is daddies money hidden?

415 n in wi  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:36:20pm

re: #407 kenneth

Those pesky Swiss, always stirring things up.
BTW, did you notice the article listed the age of the man as 32, but did'nt say the age of his wife. I'm putting the over/under at 14.

416 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:36:21pm

re: #408 kenneth

Actually, Jordan exists because Britain created it.

LOL, yes, and several times since then, Israel had a causus belli to wipe it out (as with Egypt, Syria, Lebanon....) IIRC, in '67 Egypt convinced King Hussein to throw his lot in over Israel begging him not to -- for his sake -- and within hours he nearly lost his army.

417 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:37:38pm

re: #414 Nevergiveup

Maybe, but were is daddies money hidden?

LMAO...ding

418 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:38:38pm

Against the Wall

For Israelis, the measure of a person is how they handle themselves in strange and awkward situations. At the Wall, there is a culture of response and a way of behaving that is both personal (a manifestation of what is within) and reverential (respecting the externalities). Every individual approaches the Wall from public space, through a barrier into an enclosed section in front of the wall. People in the public open piazza can see into the enclosed space in front of the Wall and monitor the dignitary's response.

The critical moment, the transition if you will, occurs at the barrier, not at the Wall. Everyone who enters the enclosed sacred space before the Wall must cover their heads: men wear a kippa or a hat, married women wear scarves or hats or wigs. If you are religious, you wear a kippa or a hat at all times--so you wear your own through the barrier to the Wall. If you don't have one, men reach into a box at the barrier and put on a rayon "skullcap", white or black. The meta-message is clear. The latter group of guys are wearing the kippa because they have to--sort of like a flag pin--returning it to the box when they leave.

Back in March, I wrote about McCain's tour of Israel before Easter. He went out of the way to learn about Israeli culture and customs and to understand what Israelis were experiencing. He convinced Israelis he was interested in Israelis. It was not how he talked with officials and notaries. It was how he went to the Wall. He didn't need a "have-to" beanie. He came prepared. He wore the Kippa Sruga of the Modern Orthodox, or central observant Jewish parties. Symbols are serious stuff. He knew he was an outsider, an not a Jew, but at the Wall, he tried and he watched how people responded to the sacred space.

Obama?

He reached into the box and took a white kippa. No matter how serious he appeared, lost in reverent prayer, he wore the "have to do it or you can't get in" hat.

Not only do symbols matter, how you handle symbols matters more.

419 kham  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:39:10pm

re: #71 Terp Mole

Check these out.

In a matter of time the left will deems this material as 'racist'

420 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:40:39pm

re: #411 Nevergiveup

US & Israel sustain it, as you said. Jordan IS Palestine, but the Hashemites, who are not from Jordan, reject that identity.

421 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:40:39pm

Another ELO classic!

422 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:40:52pm

re: #415 n in wi

Those pesky Swiss, always stirring things up.
BTW, did you notice the article listed the age of the man as 32, but did'nt say the age of his wife. I'm putting the over/under at 14.

Which wife?

423 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:41:35pm

re: #418 kenneth

I was discussing this a bit with "Mandy Manners" yesterday. In essence I pointed out that every religous Jew would see very clearly that Obama was wearing the "Only a non-Jew or ignorant secular Jew would wear this kippah" kippah.

at least he didn't grab one of the cardboard ones (they still have those there?)

424 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:41:47pm

re: #415 n in wi

Those pesky Swiss, always stirring things up.
BTW, did you notice the article listed the age of the man as 32, but did'nt say the age of his wife. I'm putting the over/under at 14.

Everything will be fine when the EU sends a carrier task group to hang around off the Libyan coast for a couple weeks.

/What?

425 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:42:58pm

re: #420 kenneth

US & Israel sustain it, as you said. Jordan IS Palestine, but the Hashemites, who are not from Jordan, reject that identity.

King Hussein knew who his survial depended on, sometimes I wonder if Abdullah does?

426 HoosierHoops  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:44:43pm

re: #415 n in wi

Those pesky Swiss, always stirring things up.
BTW, did you notice the article listed the age of the man as 32, but did'nt say the age of his wife. I'm putting the over/under at 14.


hey wisc.. I did reply earlir to your question..on an apparent dead thread.
Lake Tomahawk..
All my dads family is from that area..
where you at?

427 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:45:06pm

re: #415 n in wi

Which wife?

428 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:45:18pm

OT: This is what happens Lizards hang out too long in moonbat strongholds.

429 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:45:28pm

More "man bad, animal good":

Humans were final cause of woolly mammoth extinction

The woolly mammoth was driven to extinction by our ancestors, after the giant creatures had been pushed to the brink by climate change, marking a milestone in the destructive effects of mankind on the Earth's ecosystems.


Check the picture - those things were frickin huge!

430 vapig  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:45:57pm

re: #376 WrathofG-d

Drinking? Not fair, some of us are still at work. Drink 2 for me then.

Done! Scholl!

431 n in wi  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:46:45pm

re: #426 HoosierHoops

Chippewa Falls. Near Eau Claire.

432 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:46:56pm

re: #425 Nevergiveup

Abdullah is even more pro-Western than his father. But he is aware he rules a very anti-Americaan & Anti-Jewish population, including a large number of "Palestinians". It's a delicate balancing act. His grandfather was murdered by the Islamists.

434 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:47:22pm

Anyone else wonder what the piece of paper Obama (and McCain) put into the Western Wall said?

Man, could only imagine what that would go for...chaaaa chingggg

435 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:47:31pm

re: #427 kenneth

Which wife?

Probably not the 'Travel' wife, they try to make sure those are a little older to keep the Kufirs quiet.

436 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:48:12pm

re: #434 WrathofG-d

Anyone else wonder what the piece of paper Obama (and McCain) put into the Western Wall said?

Man, could only imagine what that would go for...chaaaa chingggg

They had it on Foxnews a little while ago.

437 Bobblehead  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:48:28pm

re: #434 WrathofG-d

Anyone else wonder what the piece of paper Obama (and McCain) put into the Western Wall said?

Man, could only imagine what that would go for...chaaaa chingggg

I'm sure it was blank, just like his character.

438 jcm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:48:35pm

re: #429 Racer X

More "man bad, animal good":

Check the picture - those things were frickin huge!

Not possible. We hadn't invented the SUV yet.
/

439 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:48:40pm

re: #434 WrathofG-d
Some Israeli paper got a hold of obambis and published it! No, I don't have a linky, on FNC this morning. They didn't say what paper either.

440 ec marm  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:49:25pm

re: #434 WrathofG-d

Anyone else wonder what the piece of paper Obama (and McCain) put into the Western Wall said?

Man, could only imagine what that would go for...chaaaa chingggg


[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

441 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:50:01pm

re: #356 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Got a lot of SD lizards around. We should arrange a meet up sometime.

There are?
How about some where in Sioux Falls.
/ SD = South Dakota to a lot of folks here.

442 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:50:19pm

I think obambi has watched Search for the Holy Grail too many times. Iraq is tough so....Run away! Run away!

443 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:50:22pm

re: #432 kenneth

Abdullah is even more pro-Western than his father. But he is aware he rules a very anti-Americaan & Anti-Jewish population, including a large number of "Palestinians". It's a delicate balancing act. His grandfather was murdered by the Islamists.

Yes I know. I hope he keeps a house on Nantucket or some place safe. He is also a pilot like his dad was. Should always keep that jet gassed and ready to go. Maybe he has a house in Ceaseria?

444 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:51:28pm

re: #421 GeeWiz

Another ELO classic!

If anyone's in/near Santa Cruz tonight (you don't have to admit it), Blue Oyster Cult is playing 2 free shows at the boardwalk. Eric Bloom and Jeff Lynn looked a lot alike back in the 70's.

445 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:51:45pm

re: #423 WrathofG-d

As a non-Jew, I found the article very interesting. The symbolism is really only understood by an insider. It's useful to know the true value of these things. I saw a video of Obama's at Yad Hashem paid attention to his body language. He looked the whole time like he knew he was being watched, eached step & gesture was measured, calculated & empty. Was he thinking about his crazy uncle liberating Auschwitz again?

446 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:52:01pm

re: #398 Racer X

All I'm saying is with statehood comes accountability.

And I think no one will hold them accountable.

447 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:52:48pm

re: #443 Nevergiveup

And Abdullah is the only Head of State to appear in a Star Trek episode!

448 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:52:57pm

re: #436 Racer X

re: #440 ec marm

re: #439 pingjockey

Although I believe that putting a note in the Wall is odd, especially when it is done by a non-Jew, and I won't be voting for Obama....pulling his note is pretty low.

449 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:53:07pm

re: #446 godfrey
No one except Israel and sometimes the US has. The Useless Nitwits don't.

450 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:54:07pm

re: #427 kenneth

Which wife?

The one playing with her Barbie dolls.

451 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:54:29pm

Oh man this is awesome!

Video: Awesome Animatronic Dinosaur

I have got to go see this thing.

452 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:54:37pm

re: #448 WrathofG-d
I'd have to say ones prayers should be left alone. FNC said a 'student' snatched it out of the wall and gave it/sold it to an Israeli paper.

453 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:54:47pm

re: #450 jorline

Barbie is Haram! Behead the infidel Ken!

454 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:55:08pm

re: #450 jorline

The one playing with her Barbie dolls.

You mean her Burka dolls don't you?

455 LeePro  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:55:48pm

re: #429 Racer X

More "man bad, animal good":

Check the picture - those things were frickin huge!

Dictionary:

mammoth
adjective
huge, enormous, gigantic, giant, colossal, massive, vast, immense, mighty, stupendous, monumental...

Duh!

456 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:55:54pm

re: #448 WrathofG-d

re: #440 ec marm

re: #439 pingjockey

Although I believe that putting a note in the Wall is odd, especially when it is done by a non-Jew, and I won't be voting for Obama....pulling his note is pretty low.

I thought so too.

457 Da_Beerfreak  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:56:00pm

re: #428 CyanSnowHawk

OT: This is what happens Lizards hang out too long in moonbat strongholds.

So, living in the evil heart of a blue city in a blue state; that's what I have to look forward to, great!

458 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:56:15pm

re: #453 kenneth

Barbie is Haram! Behead the infidel Ken!

LOL

459 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:56:40pm

re: #455 LeePro

LOL!

Thanks for the "DUH" check.

460 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:56:49pm

re: #451 Racer X
I want one! Well, me and the 8 yr. old.

461 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:57:03pm

re: #452 pingjockey

I'd have to say ones prayers should be left alone. FNC said a 'student' snatched it out of the wall and gave it/sold it to an Israeli paper.

When will people learn never ever never put anything in writing and that means e-mail also!

462 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:58:01pm

re: #452 pingjockey

did you read the end of that FOX news article posted above? The part how a "hard line Israeli" shouted "Obama, Jerusalem is not for sale".

What about that statement is "hardline"? I guess FOX has decided that you are only "moderate" or acceptable if you accept that Jerusalem must be given away to Terrorists? (that sounds more like the Hardline policy to me)

463 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:58:09pm

re: #452 pingjockey

It's a good prayer for a man in Obama's position.

But I wouldn't be surprised to learn two things: 1) the prayer was "informed" (wink wink) by a committee, and 2) the person who snatched it will be scolded by the campaign because it won't cost them anything. In fact, they will point to it as evidence of Fauxbama's "deeply-held faith."

464 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:58:13pm
465 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:59:00pm

re: #454 Nevergiveup

You mean her Burka dolls don't you?

No...royalty has it's privileges and double standards are not for all.

466 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 3:59:05pm

re: #462 WrathofG-d

That jumped at me, too. Presumably, a "moderate" person is someone willing to sell an entire state to the highest bidder.

It makes me want to puke.

467 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:00:12pm

Sarkozy rips Christiane Amanpour a new one!

Amanpour’s ridiculous racism
During today’s press conference in Paris, Christiane Amanpour asked Sarkozy “if he feelt awkward praising black Obama when, only a few years ago, he was calling black French rioters “scum.”

[Link: faustasblog.com...]

468 kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:00:20pm

re: #462 WrathofG-d

He draws a hardline against being murdered by terrorists. This is in contrast to Obama's balanced, moderate position on Israel.

469 jorline  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:02:07pm

Time to sign off...see ya tomorrow.

470 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:04:03pm

re: #462 WrathofG-d
Nope didn't read. I guess I'm hardline for supporting the state of Israel against savages. I also think fuck the Islamists, kick them off the temple mount and get rid of that pos mosque. But, then again I'm a evil Zionist supporter! Mwahahahaha!

471 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:05:36pm

Anyone want to bet that obambi figured his note would be taken from there?

472 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:05:42pm

re: #444 SFGoth

If anyone's in/near Santa Cruz tonight (you don't have to admit it), Blue Oyster Cult is playing 2 free shows at the boardwalk. Eric Bloom and Jeff Lynn looked a lot alike back in the 70's.

Don't Fear the Reaper.

473 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:06:01pm

re: #466 godfrey

I agree. I have long noticed that in addition, any opinion other than Israel should be split in half (if not worse) and have their land given to an avowed Terrorist organization, is considered "extreme" or "hardline" by the MSM and others.

Its as if the solution has already been decided upon, and if you think differently or point out that it isn't working you are an extremist.

Is surrender and submission the only acceptable solutions these days? (and if so, why isn't the Enemy held to the same rule?)

I believe that Jerusalem should be 100% Israeli. Maintain the status-quo if you will, where people of all faiths are allowed to come and worship in peace. Why is that extreme, and displacing thousands of people, throwing the region into chaos, and going back to a time when only Muslims could worship freeely -- the "moderate" and acceptable decision.

474 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:06:15pm

re: #471 Typicalwhitey
I don't think he's that devious.

475 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:07:06pm

re: #470 pingjockey


You are innovative and willing to adapt to the most cutting edge facts regarding the situation.


That isn't extreme or hardline. That resolution sounds pragmatic to me.

476 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:08:16pm

re: #467 Nevergiveup

For this answer, vive Sarkozy.

477 LeePro  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:08:57pm

re: #463 godfrey

It's a good prayer for a man in Obama's position.

But I wouldn't be surprised to learn two things: 1) the prayer was "informed" (wink wink) by a committee, and 2) the person who snatched it will be scolded by the campaign because it won't cost them anything. In fact, they will point to it as evidence of Fauxbama's "deeply-held faith."

"Fauxbama"
Perfect! ! !

dingdingdingdingding!

478 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:09:02pm
479 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:09:38pm

re: #467 Nevergiveup

Sarkozy rips Christiane Amanpour a new one!

Amanpour’s ridiculous racism
During today’s press conference in Paris, Christiane Amanpour asked Sarkozy “if he feelt awkward praising black Obama when, only a few years ago, he was calling black French rioters “scum.”

[Link: faustasblog.com...]

Sarkozy gets my vote.

480 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:10:21pm
481 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:10:41pm

re: #473 WrathofG-d

Not only should Jerusalem be 200% Israeli

The illegal occupation of Temple Mount should be removed

Return Temple Mount to the Jews, oppressed by Islamist supremacists!

Away with the illegal caliphate!

Now!

Sweep it away, and let the rightful position return to the just.

482 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:11:31pm

re: #475 WrathofG-d
I couldn't tell if that first line was sarcasm or not. :)
I'm sick and tired of the Israelis gettting blown up, run over, shot, stabbed, ad naseum. And, if they retaliate, a bunch of tin pot/ tin hat dictators and piss ants tell them "no, no. you must talk with these people". Bullshit.

483 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:12:02pm

re: #481 godfrey

I mean, the only government worthy of governing Jerusalem is Israeli.

484 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:13:19pm

re: #478 buzzsawmonkey

Sounds like Israel would have to begin threatening the World to get some respect. It is solely because buses blow up in England, buildings fall in New York, and Muslims riot everywhere that the World even gives a rats-touchas about these Phakestinians.

485 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:14:02pm

re: #483 godfrey
Well, not to brag, but I could do it. Of course the jihadis would be hopping mad and frothing at the mouth along with Israeli leftists and the UN. But hey, gotta break a few eggs and all that.

486 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:14:23pm

re: #482 pingjockey

re: #483 godfrey

I'm with you both (probably not surprisingly) see 484.

487 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:14:52pm

Sarko's a little used-car salesman with all that flashing of the pearly whites, but good on him for knowing how to handle Amanpour.

Taking a barbed question for her would be a pleasure.

488 n in wi  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:15:40pm

re: #467 Nevergiveup

Sarkozy rips Christiane Amanpour a new one!

Amanpour’s ridiculous racism
During today’s press conference in Paris, Christiane Amanpour asked Sarkozy “if he feelt awkward praising black Obama when, only a few years ago, he was calling black French rioters “scum.”

[Link: faustasblog.com...]

Can Sarkozy be McCains Press Sec.
He is good.

489 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:16:22pm

re: #484 WrathofG-d

I think the rats of the world are willing to give their patooties to the Phakes is that they've utterly confused who the "underdog" is.

Among other things.

490 Nevergiveup  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:17:09pm

A-rod sucks 2 on one out and he strikes out

491 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:17:16pm

re: #486 WrathofG-d
That is a fact. Plus one thing the Islamic world never, ever get called on. If they are so concerned about the paliosimians, whay hasn't the Majik Kingdom, Libya, Iran, etc...Helped the rebuild their shit hole? Because the poor, poor palis are a very convenient stick to beat idiot leftists/donks/appeasers with.

492 godfrey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:17:42pm

By the way, Sarkozy didn't call them "scum."

The word he used was "racaille," which means "rabble."

Amanpour knows this, which makes her question all the more contemptible.

493 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:17:54pm

re: #490 Nevergiveup
Hahahahahaha!

494 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:19:11pm

re: #474 pingjockey

I don't think he's that devious.

Did you read the note?

495 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:19:56pm

re: #491 pingjockey

Don't bring up the arabs...we are discussing the evil occupation of the disgusting Jews......

/

I remember Jordan's Black September

496 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:20:47pm

The moderate moonbat radio station here (KGO, 810 am) had on the authors of a book about the Mufti of Jerusalem, Hitler's man in the ME. A bunch of callers, and even the host (Gene Burns, who's kinda ok), said they were shocked at the historical hatred of Jews, how the hatred wasn't about the size of Israel per se (except as a number larger than 0), etc. I mean, c'mon. It was stunning how out of touch they were. Not even in denial but outright ignorance. (Now, Karel is just sheer comic relief.)

497 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:21:22pm

re: #494 Racer X
Nope. It is his business. Granted I don't trust him and it probably was written by committee, but it was supposed to be between him and his God. Funny, I know.

498 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:21:50pm

re: #495 WrathofG-d
Me too. Ruthless bastards.

499 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:24:43pm

re: #494 Racer X

Did you read the note?

Now you're underneath the stairs and you're givin' back some stares
You can hear the words she wrote, as you read the hidden note

Oh, to live on
Sugar Mountain
With the barkers and the colored balloons
You can't be twenty
On Sugar Mountain

500 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:25:16pm

re: #496 SFGoth

Well on the flip, I was listening to KTLK in L.A. (Progressive Radio) around 6:00 yesterday and the host was bad mouthing Obama for not mentioning while in Israel that "the 'palestinians' were today's equivalent of the Jews living in the Warsaw ghetto." Then he went into a diatribe about "Joe Leiberman's people" and continuously mentioned the fact that "Holy Joe's" wife was named Hadassa, etc. He stated that the Jews had ethnically cleansed the "palestinians" off their land and out of their country, and thus any talk of "giving the land to the 'palestinians" was false, as it is not Israel's to give, but instead something they must relinquish "back". This included Tel Aviv, Haifa, and all very pre-1967 Israel.

When someone e-mailed in and informed him that he was being very Anti-Semitic again....he scoffed and laughed about it.

501 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:25:23pm

For the old farts out there, I offer this.

I danced with my daughter at her wedding to this and was reduced to tears.

502 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:25:34pm

California just banned transfats.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

503 Racer X  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:26:18pm

re: #497 pingjockey

Yes it was supposed to be between him and God. It was a very nice note. Exactly what it should have said. A little too precise if you ask me.

504 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:26:24pm

re: #498 pingjockey

Where are the "Palestinian Massacre in Jordan" remembered websites, and U.N. Commisions to remember the Jordanian ethnic cleansing of the Phakestinians, etc?

Oh right...its ok for Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan to do it because they aren't Jewish.

505 LeePro  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:26:45pm

Gotta go throw food on table...

But first, a small OT:

Memphis-area (includes any AR and/or MS lizards) Lizard meet-up tomorrow night 5:00pm, Ruby Tuesday's at Wolfchase Mall. Wear green or carry small American flag! Look for ME!

Nic is blue for email

506 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:27:00pm

re: #502 SFGoth

California just banned transfats.
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

So Bob Beckel is now stuck in New York.

Good.

507 VegasRick  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:29:01pm

re: #467 Nevergiveup

Sarkozy rips Christiane Amanpour a new one!

Amanpour’s ridiculous racism
During today’s press conference in Paris, Christiane Amanpour asked Sarkozy “if he feelt awkward praising black Obama when, only a few years ago, he was calling black French rioters “scum.”

[Link: faustasblog.com...]

Christine Imawhore sucks.

508 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:32:22pm

re: #504 WrathofG-d
Now you're catching on. Everybody forgets King Hussein tried to give Arafish and his folks a place to live and they promptly tried to overthrow the Monarchy. Funny how the left forgets these little things. Not!

509 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:33:24pm

re: #500 WrathofG-d
Imagine if Limbaugh, Hannity, or even Savage said something like that. People would be going mad.

510 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:33:26pm

And now for something completely different.

511 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:37:25pm

re: #508 pingjockey

They will remember the fake massacres of "Dier Yassin" and Jenin till the Moshiach comes.....but Black September is just an annoance to think about.

Wait...what's that?......"palestinians" are living in "refugee camps" all througout Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Iraq?....well shut up about it....they don't have Yellow license plates in Israel!

512 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:40:42pm

re: #511 WrathofG-d
Lebanon is the next place they are going to try and overthrow.

513 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:41:43pm
514 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:42:42pm

re: #513 buzzsawmonkey

Bill Richardson and Bob Beckel were unavailable for comment.

515 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:44:27pm

re: #492 godfrey

Also, the people Sarkowzy referred to weren't all black. The majority were North African Arabs, and there were even white French rioters. The rioting is what Sarkowzy objected to, not their race or religion. Amanpour committed the classic liberal slight of hand: excusing unacceptable behavior and hiding behind a false charge of racism.

516 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:46:34pm

re: #512 pingjockey

I think they tried that a couple months ago. You don't remember the Lebanese army flattening the entire "refugee camp", and killing thousands of "palestinians"?

oh that's right....although it lasted over a month, and pretty much made the entire "camp" homeless....it really didn't get too much media coverage did it.

517 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:47:30pm

re: #514 pingjockey

Bill Richardson and Bob Beckel were unavailable for comment.

Hey, I already smacked "Cracker Bob". Get yer own fat bastard.

518 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:49:13pm

re: #515 Kenneth

CA: Mr. referee, you just stated that the Celtics won the NBA Championship. Correct.

Ref: yup.

CA: Well their were black people on the Lakers right?

Ref: Yup.

CA: Well why do you hate black people then?

Ref: what are you talking about? Boston got more points.....and anyway, they have black people on their team too....and whites on both...

CA: Mr. Ref.....how does it feel to be a racist...does that bother you?

519 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:49:19pm

re: #512 pingjockey

Lebanon is the next place they are going to try and overthrow.

The Palis already tried to take over Lebanon. That was what caused the Civil War, and which lead to Israel intervening to prevent the Palis from taking over. Arafish & co were forced to flee to Tunisia, where they languished until some moron named Jimmy Carter decided to rehabilitate Arafat as a "partner for peace".

Hezbollah is now getting ready to turn Lebanon into a suicide state. They intend to blow up Lebanon as a means of attacking Israel.

520 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:50:15pm

re: #518 WrathofG-d

Are you still a racist wife-beater? Yes or No!

521 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:52:17pm

re: #520 Kenneth

Are you still a racist wife-beater? Yes or No!

Much more succint, and exactly my point. You are correct, Surkozy was discussing the rioters as "scum" (which they were), not based on their color (which the "color blind" MSM and leftists are unable to not see) but their actions.

Pathetic really!

522 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:54:22pm

I refuse to give up the music thread. How about this, or this should the Obamantion gets elected.

523 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:55:30pm

re: #522 GeeWiz


I'm glad you didn't give up. I was listening to some song (which I can't recall...but think it was Reggae) and figured it woudl be a great campaign song for Obama.

524 WrathofG-d  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:56:56pm

GEE WIZ:

Maybe this too? revOlution.

525 OldLineTexan  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:58:49pm

re: #523 WrathofG-d

I'm glad you didn't give up. I was listening to some song (which I can't recall...but think it was Reggae) and figured it woudl be a great campaign song for Obama.

Pass the Kouchie?

526 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:59:23pm

re: #516 WrathofG-d
Fov covered it. The lsm ignored it,

527 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 4:59:26pm

re: #521 WrathofG-d

To liberals & the msm, it's racist to object to rioting, while it is not racist to believe Blacks or Arabs aren't responsible for their own actions like other civilized people are.

528 Kenneth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:01:01pm

re: #516 WrathofG-d

The Lebanese factions are still at it, but they don't get much media coverage.

529 pingjockey  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:01:38pm

Laura Ingraham filling in for the leprachaun. Yum.

530 vagabond trader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:06:35pm

To hell with the ungrateful Arab, where's that oil we went to war over?

531 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:08:21pm

re: #530 vagabond trader

To hell with the ungrateful Arab, where's that oil we went to war over?


I love telling moonbats that Iraq II is not a war for oil because we took it in Iraq I. How do you re-take what you've taken? They then go, we didn't take the oil in Iraq I to which I point out that that's what all you protesters were bitching about (and I have wonderful protest pix to prove it) and they get all huffy and such like moonbats do. :->

532 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:12:19pm

When in doubt, refer to Don't Bring me DOWN!

533 vagabond trader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:15:02pm

re: #531 SFGoth

Sorry, I don't quite get your point, but here's mine fwiw. We certainly didn't go into Iraq for oil as evidenced by the fact that we are not getting much benefit where it really counts; in the pocketbook of the American taxpayer. Too bad that every other pissant country will probably clean up, knowing the perversity of the Arab and stupidity of our leaders.Wondering how many deals the Chinese have signed with the backstabbers.

534 vagabond trader  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:21:24pm

re: #532 GeeWiz

Or this one, even older.

535 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:25:12pm

re: #525 OldLineTexan

Rap and Reggie don't do it for me, but this does it.

536 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:28:46pm

re: #534 vagabond trader

How about this classic?

537 ladycatnip  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:29:04pm

#505 LeePro

Memphis-area (includes any AR and/or MS lizards) Lizard meet-up tomorrow night 5:00pm, Ruby Tuesday's at Wolfchase Mall. Wear green or carry small American flag! Look for ME!

If I didn't live in Los Angeles, I'd be there with flags waving - have a wonderful meet-up!

538 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:31:48pm

Or this, get outta here.

539 SFGoth  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:36:20pm

re: #533 vagabond trader

Sorry, I don't quite get your point, but here's mine fwiw. We certainly didn't go into Iraq for oil as evidenced by the fact that we are not getting much benefit where it really counts; in the pocketbook of the American taxpayer. Too bad that every other pissant country will probably clean up, knowing the perversity of the Arab and stupidity of our leaders.Wondering how many deals the Chinese have signed with the backstabbers.

It's sarcasm. It's also how you get them to admit they were asshats the last time. Anyway, day's over and I'm outta here. Got one of those sfgoth.com events to attend. BTW, here's the really cool/huge goth event (in Germany based on Pfingsten) [Link: www.wave-gotik-treffen.de...]

There's also [Link: www.conservativepunk.com...]

540 LEGION  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:50:00pm

re: #533 vagabond trader

Yeah, I still remember the asshole college creeps holding signs by my library saying No Blood For Oil- shitturds- Oil is our nations Blood- bet they'd give a pint or two for some barrels now!

541 LEGION  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:50:46pm

Josh Beckett getting beat by the Yankees! Go Joba!

542 LEGION  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:51:29pm

Giambi's mustache is colored purty dark- what look is he going for?

543 LEGION  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:52:04pm

Cano is one for two- now with a 6 game hitting streak.

544 LEGION  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:52:37pm

Ahhh- Giambi looks like James Garner on the Rockford Files.

545 LEGION  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 5:53:01pm

Rodriguez moves to 3rd on Cano's fielders choice.

546 GeeWiz  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 6:00:26pm

Methinks Eric takes a backseat to baseball. Oh, ok, I'll move on.

547 kansas  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 6:11:07pm

iReporters ask tough questions of McCain

Here's one you won't see at mybarackobama.com

iReporters ask tough question of Obama

Fucking asshats


I've had too much Chivas, I need to get away from barack talk

548 Timbre  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 8:33:44pm

I like Charles Krauthammer, but monkey, his point is self-contradicting. Obama will not be "a more pliant American negotiator" than McCain, he will be a cut 'n runner. He will leave Iraq and Maliki with no protection at all. Am I missing something?

549 LeePro  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 9:36:22pm

re: #537 ladycatnip

#505 LeePro

If I didn't live in Los Angeles, I'd be there with flags waving - have a wonderful meet-up!

What a cool lady you are!

Thanks!
;D

550 avspatti  Fri, Jul 25, 2008 9:49:17pm

re: #122 SFGoth

BTW, I do not think it's possible in the long term to establish a functioning, modern, peaceful Arab/Muslim country. Those are not compatible concepts and I blame Bush for discerning the possibility of doing so through the prism of his Christianity. I'm not impugning his Christianity, but simply the concepts that people are intrinsically good, that Muslims are really at core like us, etc. Nonsense and he should have known it.

Christians do not believe that people are intrinsically good. On the contrary . . .

551 big L  Sat, Jul 26, 2008 9:41:45am

this krauthammer thread is kind todt.


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