Stinky rules.

Reason and good sense,
Not stupid straw men and illogic
Will win out in the end.

Lao Stinky is more concise then Penn & Teller.

I'm open to an open thread

Saturday night is alright for blogging- Sat. nites alright, Alright, ALRIGHT- WHOOOOO oooohhhhh wooo hooooo!

Lao Stinky is very, very wise.

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I buy that statement.

Okay, me showing my ignorance again. What is the perpetual stinky reference?

God is The Cause, evolution is the means. Though I cannot speak for Him, i think God couldn't speak to us directly. We're too stupid. for proof, consult Kos or the Huffington Post.

I believe I'll have a nice cold beer. It was way hot walking the dog tonight!

Stinky is Charles' muscle

re: #10 spirochete

Mr Beaumont is the Janitorial Engineer.

re: #10 spirochete

Stinky is LGF's beloved janitorial engineer.

re: #13 jamgarr

Stinky is Charles' muscle

uh...muscle? In the aggregate, I assume?

re: #16 spirochete

uh...muscle? In the aggregate, I assume?

He does Charles' dirty work

/wait, maybe that's still not clear

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Wow- we are so on the same wave length to night. Here- check this out.

re: #12 Shay4l

Walking the Dog
/Old school

Evening all, howdee-do?

Viagra is 10 years old now.

re: #21 MandyManners

Viagra is 10 years old now.

Word UP

re: #18 Sharmuta

Heh. Basic errors and scientific illiteracy? Check.

re: #13 jamgarr

Stinky is Charles' muscle

More like Lucco Brazzi to the Godfather.

re: #24 grumpy old codger

More like Lucco Brazzi to the Godfather.

But I've never heard that he sleeps with fishes

re: #20 Irish Rose

Hi Rose! I do swell, thanks. And you?

If you have an erection lasting more than ten years......

re: #25 jamgarr

Strange bedfellows, et. al.

re: #25 jamgarr

Now, now. don't be criticizing other people's sexual preferences.

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Walking the Dog
/Old school

Walking the Cow

/Odd school

Also strangely ingenious. He wrote it on a child's toy noisemaker.

/not that there's anything wrong with that

re: #25 jamgarr

In PR, the colloquial for a female lover, a mistress, is a chillo, a fish.

Mr. Stinky Beaumont keeps the threads clean and reports serious 'trollery' to the chief lizard.

After over 2500 comments, I had my first deleted comment tonight. Someone apparently thought I was suggesting/promoting mass-killing. I was trying to show the absurdity of another's comment and where it would lead. Ah, another milestone.

re: #29 grumpy old codger

Really! If they're consenting adult fishes... and not for immoral porpoises...

re: #11 grumpy old codger

God is The Cause, evolution is the means. Though I cannot speak for Him, i think God couldn't speak to us directly. We're too stupid. for proof, consult Kos or the Huffington Post.

Here's an interesting thought experiment.

Ever play The Sims, the original version? It was pretty addictive.

Ever subsequently play The Sims 2? Amazingly more sophisticated than the original.

The Sims 3 is about to come out. One can only imagine how much more realism it will add.

So... what's to say that we are not all just characters in a cosmic version of The Sims 847?

Douglas Adams sort of hinted at that when he postulated that the Earth was the successor computer to Deep Thought, existing just to run the program that would eventually answer the question, "What is the meaning of Life, the Universe, and Everything?"

Suppose some cosmic fifth-grader bought a "Build Your Own Universe" science fair kit, and we're the result?

re: #19 Killgore Trout

Pretty Cool!
Thanks for the good music link

I love Sedaris...

Jesus Shaves

Hey, I'm actually around for a SNOT.

re: #33 David IV of Georgia

No sweat. It's policy that comments which quote deleted comments are themselves to be deleted.

re: #26 Sharmuta

Hi Rose! I do swell, thanks. And you?

You do? Could it be from the Viagra?

re: #21 MandyManners

Viagra is 10 years old now.

I worked with a guy that got rather upset when informed that he had to work late. He then made the mistake of explaining why he was upset: "I've already taken my Viagra."

re: #35 stuiec
Was given the sims thing when i was deployed. Tried it for about 30 minutes and then relaized I couldn't keep my own life straight, not to mention another one.

re: #2 David IV of Georgia

Reason and good sense,
Not stupid straw men and illogic
Will win out in the end.

Obviously, you have never heard of C-SPAN.

re: #27 Tarkus289

If you have an erection lasting more than ten years......

You'd be dead.

Seekeroftruth posted this link:

[Link: newsbusters.org...]

The Times Online is tweaking the US media for ignoring the Edwards story, haha. Will the Edwards story ever make the US MSM?

re: #44 MandyManners

You'd be dead.

Or damned sure WISHING you were dead!

re: #44 MandyManners
Yes, but with a BIG smile on my face.

re: #41 David IV of Georgia

I hope he was told that he'd be harder up if he were fired.

re: #46 Karridine

Or damned sure WISHING you were dead!

Grumpy old codger beat me to it.

Hey Stinky you got it backwards:

Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.
Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise

There thats better.

re: #41 David IV of Georgia

I worked with a guy that got rather upset when informed that he had to work late. He then made the mistake of explaining why he was upset: "I've already taken my Viagra."

Isn't there a new med out there that allows things to wait?

re: #51 MandyManners

Cialis

re: #51 MandyManners

"Youth."

re: #49 MandyManners

A Ten-Year Program of Sensitivity Training, Mandy! :(

re: #40 stuiec

You do? Could it be from the Viagra?

No. Why? Are you recommending it?

re: #51 MandyManners

Cialis, Levitra

re: #43 victor_yugo

Obviously, you have never heard of C-SPAN.

I have a TV, a nice big one.
I turned it on once.
I had to see if it worked.
It does.
It collects dust.

"Levitra." Sounds like something out of a yoga center.

bbiab

re: #56 grumpy old codger

Figures WILD would now about things that that!

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.

God, am I tired of this topic.

re: #60 grumpy old codger

I only know about things like that because the advertising budget for it is massive and plays on TV constantly.

re: #27 Tarkus289

If you have an erection lasting more than ten years......

You have quite a following!

re: #61 USA

God, am I tired of this topic.

So?

re: #62 Wilderstad
Yeahg, yeah, yeah. See you in the lounge later? Be gentle.

re: #61 USA

There's always your friends AtS you can visit.

re: #58 godfrey

"Levitra." Sounds like something out of a yoga center.

Or a spell from Harry Potter...

re: #67 goddessoftheclassroom

Well, it does help levitate

Viagra goes a long way in explaining a certain stiff little prick of a senator from Illinois who has risen inexplicably. Seems he started his political "rise" about ten years ago.

I heard somewhere -- maybe here -- about the guy whose wife gave him just enough Viagra that he wouldn't pee on his shoes.

re: #67 goddessoftheclassroom

Or a spell from Harry Potter...

It cures the unforgivable curse

re: #68 grumpy old codger

Well, it does help levitate

I thought it was the enlargement spell

re: #64 Irish Rose

So?

He expressed his opinion. That's what we do here.

My doc keeps asking me if I want to try Viagra, or one of those other crane-raisers, and I keep responding "What the hell for?". He's a young dude, and obviously thinks like I did when I was his age - sex 24x7. His wife is a real hottie, so I guess I can understand where he's coming frome, so to speak. ;)

re: #55 Sharmuta

No. Why? Are you recommending it?

Random fact: Viagra was being tested as a drug for pulmonary hypertension (high blood pressure in the lungs) when it was noted to have an unusual side effect...

It really burns me that medical plans will pay for Viagra, but not birth control.

re: #74 Cartman

Understood. I looked at a young thing the other day and the cops threatened to arrest me for assault with a dead weapon.

re: #76 Wilderstad

It really kills me that guys think viagra was made for the males! It's the female's drug!

re: #61 USA

God, am I tired of this topic.

It's open so bring us something good to eat.

re: #76 Wilderstad

It really burns me that medical plans will pay for Viagra, but not birth control.

When birth becomes a disease they will.

re: #78 spirochete
Well, gotta hand it to ya!

re: #80 pat

When birth becomes a disease they will.

It's already a punishment.

re: #76 Wilderstad

I'm looking for a med plan to pay for designer lingerie.

Birth may not be a disease, but the medical system sure treats it and pregnancy that way.
Since when is erectile dysfunction a disease? Especially since it's used more as a recreational drug.

Keep on saying it, Stinky, keep on saying it.

There's power in those words -- a good power -- based on freedom of thought, the liberation of the intellect.

re: #52 Wilderstad

Cialis

It'll give ya back pain BAAAADD! I tired it once, then tried it again to confirm that the drug is what made my back hurt....It did. But hey , it is the "french weekend" Hi ya Mandy!

re: #79 BBev

I was hungry for pizza until I watched this.

Sorry, since Viagra is used more as a recreational drug. blah PIMF Is your friend.

Aren't there health benefits to chocolate? Maybe I can talk my PPO into buying me some Dove's chocolate.

Charles and "stinky". Did you know that belief in not only God, but angels and demons, fairies, leprechauns, crystal healing, and astrology, too, or whatever supernatural fluff one chooses to fantasize in, also does not preclude acceptance of the theory of evolution?

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re: #85 Josephine

Keep on saying it, Stinky, keep on saying it.

There's power in those words -- a good power -- based on freedom of thought, the liberation of the intellect.

But you have to wonder at what point we're shadowboxing, right?

The heft and worth of the opponent is somewhat lacking, I'd say.

re: #84 Wilderstad
I've seen an increasing number of females present to the office requesting meds to increase their libidos, sex drive, etc.. It is a human problem, more slanted to males due to anatomy.and physiology.

It has shown benefit in many areas, so I've read. Including in infants, but not for libido.

re: #61 USA

gam ani

Oh, goodness. Look what I started. I shoulda' known.

re: #87 USA

I was hungry for pizza until I watched this.

Come one you can do better then that, give me something good!

re: #96 MandyManners

Time for the big needle.

re: #96 MandyManners

Oh, goodness. Look what I started. I shoulda' known.

Yes. You raised a touchy subject. ;)

re: #97 BBev

Come one you can do better then that, give me something good!

Don't encourage gcpers.

Is this the dead thread already?

re: #100 Sharmuta

Don't encourage gcpers.

Ah come on, just for a few minutes, you never let me have any fun.

who farted?

re: #103 yochanan

Teller, but he ain't talkin'.

re: #103 yochanan
They who smelt it, dealt it.....

Not me, it was him----->

re: #99 Cartman

Viagra's generic name is sildenafil which always sounded to me like slide in and fill

re: #92 Cognito

But you have to wonder at what point we're shadowboxing, right?

The heft and worth of the opponent is somewhat lacking, I'd say.

I dunno. when the "opponent" has spent millions on a Creation Museum, you have to think their heft and worth is pretty much up there.

hands out israeli gas masks

re: #109 yochanan

hands out israeli gas masks

I'm all set here

re: #103 yochanan

who farted?

Had to have been one of the guys - we ladies don't fart.

re: #108 reine.de.tout

I dunno. when the "opponent" has spent millions on a Creation Museum, you have to think their heft and worth is pretty much up there.

Eh. There are many people with a great many private religious beliefs. I don't feel the need to stop them all.

re: #108 reine.de.tout

And, no one really knows who financed Harun Yahya's Atlas of Creation.

re: #111 reine.de.tout

Had to have been one of the guys - we ladies don't fart.

Just pink bubbles.

right now i would perfer debating what is a good beer over anything related to i.d.

This party's getting too drity, I'm gonna pull up my pants and leave. Later. Folks.

re: #111 reine.de.tout

Had to have been one of the guys - we ladies don't fart.

Ya right, SBD's

re: #115 yochanan

Smithwick's is good.

re: #115 yochanan

right now i would perfer debating what is a good beer over anything related to i.d.

It's the beer you enjoy best, I'd say.

Let's see here, open thread, like a pitching mound chat.....candlesticks always make a nice gift, and uh, maybe you could find out where she's registered and maybe a place-setting or maybe a silverware pattern....no matter what we call it, our concept of life on Earth and its development is not incompatible with other philosophies in the broad form in which philosophy is ever intended......Viagra is good for some to prepare for extra-innings play or a few days of doubleheaders, but I prefer a talented battery mate (my wife) to coax the energy....Okay, let's get two! Go get 'em.

re: #112 Cognito

Eh. There are many people with a great many private religious beliefs. I don't feel the need to stop them all.

Nor do I. I was simply pointing out that the heft and worth of the "opponent" is greater than you appeared to want to give it credit for being.

chimay ale grand reserve is great

And on the weird tangent: I just found out that I'm the figment of an insane person's imagination. You'd think someone would have had the courtesy to let me know.

I use this same handle for hobby related surfing. Someone set up a wiki-type board listing various people involved in said hobby. Another person's listing claims the two of us are in fact the same person. Not only that, but the first person had a mental breakdown and I was the result. The person who wrote the entry used a post at a forum as proof. The kicker - the cited post doesn't even hint at this.

Here's the really funny part - several people have tried to correct this, pointing out that the two of us are both known in the community, we have collaborative projects, and they pointed out that there is nothing in the cite to suggest the claims. The mods of the wiki-listing refuse to change the entry until someone proves that I'm real and not this other person.

Okay, besides the basic fact that they're the ones making the claim and need to prove it, what in the world would they accept as proof that I'm not a figment? Are they going to go to Dallas and Maryland to collect DNA samples? I can't help but laugh at their complete lack of logic. And I suspect I know who is responsible; the supposedly deranged brain in which I reside belongs to a very talented person. There was a lot of jealousy when she showed up, and a certain French-French-Canadian was outed for making a lot of nasty claims about her.

the berbon barrel aged barley wine at my local brew pub is great.

re: #122 yochanan

chimay ale grand reserve is great

Do you get some sort of kickback from the maker of that? I see you mention it every day. Must be something really great . . .

Lynx killed on Highway 9 despite locals' efforts

re: #125 reine.de.tout

day dreaming can't drink it every day it would make me an expanisve drunk

Has the deal gone through with InBev yet?

Hey, Stinky! This quote of yours.. I can replace the word "God" with any crazy shit and yet the statements still turn out to be true. So how does that work, then?

Belief in The Black Wibble does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in The Black Wibble.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

Belief in The Invisible Spider on Mars does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in The Invisible Spider on Mars.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

Belief in Atlantis and alien abductions does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in Atlantis and alien abductions.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

Stinky's quote is oh so versatile!

re: #125 reine.de.tout

ssssssit don't tell

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

— Lao Stinky

Thats right, and also my belief, as I most assuredly believe in both.

re: #111 reine.de.tout

Had to have been one of the guys - we ladies don't fart.

We don't? Hey, pull my finger.

With total respect, I say this.

The "evidence" of evolution is NOT evidence.

It is very interesting non-evidentiary stuff.

Mohammed-worship (islam) has nothing to do with "evolution."

There is no logical basis for "evolution."

Darwinism is Marxism and Freudianism. A 19th century spectacular wrong idea.

We do not know.

That is what is real.

We do not know.

re: #121 reine.de.tout

My point is that considering -- as we agree -- there are many people with a great many private religious beliefs, and considering I don't feel the need to stop them all, the 'worth' part comes into question.

re: #129 Fierce Guppy

Excuse me, but WTF is your point?

re: #136 gromster
Didn't you say exactly that earlier?
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #129 Fierce Guppy

Your kidding right because you forgot the Sarc tag

re: #137 Cartman

Excuse me, but WTF is your point?

I was wondering that exact same thing.

re: #134 Moonzoo

With total respect, I say this.

The "evidence" of evolution is NOT evidence.

It is very interesting non-evidentiary stuff.

Mohammed-worship (islam) has nothing to do with "evolution."

There is no logical basis for "evolution."

Darwinism is Marxism and Freudianism. A 19th century spectacular wrong idea.

We do not know.

That is what is real.

We do not know.

Wrong
Wrong
Huh?
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong
Wrong

Next.

/where the hell do these people come from?

re: #121 reine.de.tout

And see exhibit No. 134 for the matter of 'heft.'

St. Arnold's Brown Ale ... excellent beer

re: #115 yochanan

right now i would perfer debating what is a good beer over anything related to i.d.

I'm finding New Belgium's Trippel to be pretty tasty.

re: #136 gromster

The truth is Darwinism is not a scientific theory

These are not the definitions you're looking for. Move along.

I hate spammers.

re: #144 Van Helsing

I'm finding New Belgium's Trippel to be pretty tasty.

I have a Westmalle Trappist Dubbel waiting for me in the fridge, but I have to finish some work first. Maybe I'll come back later after the Redneck Taliban have been Tali-banned.

re: #136 gromster
New talking points please. Your old ones stink.

(136 deleated) Ah man , Hey Stinky I wanted to respond to that turd and now he's gone.

re: #146 Charles

I hate spammers.

Another live one?

re: #136 gromster

Little Green Footballs Fumbles the Ball by Making False Claims about Discovery Institute, Islam, and Intelligent Design

They may or may not have an excellent point. I have trouble with the fact that their argument is tied to me reading a book they profit from. If you seriously wish to debate the point, give your facts, your points, your defense for free.

re: #134 Moonzoo
Are you really so stupid as to believe this drivel, or do you think there is anyone else so dense to fall for such nonsense?

re: #142 Cognito

And see exhibit No. 134 for the matter of 'heft.'

Heft of thought or intellect, you're talking about . . .I was thinking more along the lines of heft of influence, which must be considerable, given that in my home state, a law has been passed that will allow ID to be taught.

re: #44 MandyManners

You'd be dead.

Or his Significant Other would be.

Charles, if you wish to delete #151, do so.

re: #155 David IV of Georgia

Charles, if you wish to delete #151, do so.

No need. When I see people posting the same comment in more than one thread, they get banned right away. I've seen what happens if I don't, and I have no wish to clean up after obsessed fanatics.

re: #134 Moonzoo

Mohammed-worship (islam) has nothing to do with "evolution."

You're right- they islamists are working just as hard as the DI & ICR to get evolution removed from the classrooms. Or- were you trying to make another point?

re: #153 reine.de.tout

Heft of thought or intellect, you're talking about . . .I was thinking more along the lines of heft of influence, which must be considerable, given that in my home state, a law has been passed that will allow ID to be taught.

If the people behind that movement had a lick of sense, they would stop pushing for Creation to be taught in science class, and start pushing for a class on religious studies. Because religion plays an important role in society, and to finish school without understanding it is to finish with an incomplete education.

Somehow I suspect they'll stick to the science bit.

The Tao of Lao Stinky. Should be a rotating title.

Does anyone remember the free Korans that were mailed out for the asking a few years ago? I got one...I felt icky and a little unnerved by where my address may wind up...but it's quality construction, I guess an "approved" translation and it's good for the study of Arabic.

Any free bibles out there like that?

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in God.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise.

I do like this statement, I really do. Can we make this a matter of public policy? ;>

I'm being somewhat silly, because I know such a simple concept can't make it very far in our legal environment, but this would save so much grief if we could put this simple thought on K-12 biology textbooks.

re: #160 spirochete

Any free bibles out there like that?

Ever been in a Hotel room?

re: #162 Mich-again

Ever been in a Hotel room?

It wasn't me, man, just looked like me.

re: #78 spirochete

It really kills me that guys think viagra was made for the males! It's the female's drug!

I was surprised to see this article the other day.... women CAN take Viagra, and it seems to help in some circumstances.

When too much time passes between comments, I start to get nervous....

re: #163 spirochete

It wasn't me, man, just looked like me.

Well if you want a free Bible thats where to find one.

Wow, isn't this a refreshing change!
A viagra thread, instead of a boob thread ;).

Priapism !

re: #158 Cognito

If the people behind that movement had a lick of sense, they would stop pushing for Creation to be taught in science class, and start pushing for a class on religious studies. Because religion plays an important role in society, and to finish school without understanding it is to finish with an incomplete education.

Somehow I suspect they'll stick to the science bit.

That I agree with. My daughter attends Catholic school and has a religion class during the day. Most of her religion class consists, of course, of the study of our faith, but every year there is some portion of class devoted to becoming familiar with other faiths. And to supplement, our home library contains books on Catholicism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Greek & Roman mythology, and a "dictionary" of philosophy and religion/Eastern and Western thought.

re: #164 Mr Pancakes

I was surprised to see this article the other day.... women CAN take Viagra, and it seems to help in some circumstances.

Does it melt ice?

re: #167 Irish Rose

Wow, isn't this a refreshing change!
A viagra thread, instead of a boob thread ;).

Everyone must be pretty hard up for a topic.

re: #171 Honorary Yooper

Everyone must be pretty hard up for a topic.

LMAO!

re: #170 Mich-again

Does it melt ice?

Ouch.

re: #167 Irish Rose

tell us less about the viagra and more about the other

BTW, it is also a boob thread. We had a few in here already, including the now blocked Gromster.

re: #141 Pawn of the Oppressor

The utter barren "evidence" of speciation is on display here.

I love LGF and I totally respect Charles. He is a human we need.

But this evolution nonsense is absurd.

We do not know.

We do not know.

We do not know why or how we are here.

It is logically ridiculous that inorganic becomes organic.

It is logically absurd that a creature gives birth to another creature categorically incapable of giving birth to a categorically different creature.

We do not know.

We do not know.

Religion has zero to do with it.

We do not know.

re: #174 Orangutan

tell us less about the viagra and more about the other

... you wish! :)

re: #160 spirochete

Does anyone remember the free Korans that were mailed out for the asking a few years ago? I got one...I felt icky and a little unnerved by where my address may wind up...but it's quality construction, I guess an "approved" translation and it's good for the study of Arabic.

Any free bibles out there like that?

You can get a Gideon's Bible (usually King James' Version) from a hotel room. Gideon's doesn't care, and usually the hotel won't either.

Most churches will give you a Bible for the asking.

I wonder if these 30 Iranians believe in God?

re: #76 Wilderstad

viagra corrects a disfunction
birth control stops a normal function
you would think the insurance companies would have done a study on the cost benefits.

Where did everybody go?

re: #176 Moonzoo

We do not know why or how we are here.

You're setting back philosophical thought with every post.

No, we don't know why we're here. That's the purview of philosophy and religion.

The other -- the how -- is the purview of bugs and dirt and flesh and chemicals and test tubes and Bunsen burners and guys who could use a little sunlight.

You're confusng the two. And now I'm annoyed that I've joined this so-called debate.

Moving on.

re: #176 Moonzoo

But this evolution nonsense is absurd.

The whole kit and caboodle?

re: #176 Moonzoo

Bunk that it is "logically absurd". We do now, and we have actually effected it with our domesticated animals by placing evolutionary pressure on them to adpat (to our needs of course). Dogs and wolves; pigs and wild boars; etc, etc.

As for the inorganic becoming organic, dude, learn what is organic. Most any carbon chemistry is organic by nature. As life on this planet is carbon-based, it required carbon chemistry, and therefore, it is all organic.

Do some research before you post. Not doing so makes you look like an ass.

Ploome, hi there!

re: #182 ploome hineni

call your doctor if it lasts more than 4 hours

New term introduced this week:

Bill Clinton, King Priapic.. O the places we can go with that one.

re: #179 Wyatt Earp

I wonder if these 30 Iranians believe in God?

being a public nuisance while drunk and being involved in illegal relationships — relationships between men and women who are not married to each other

Shabop Shalom

Belief in anything does not preclude belief in anything else.

re: #177 Irish Rose

... you wish! :)

It's a Ron White thing I guess.

re: #183 Cognito

And now I'm annoyed that I've joined this so-called debate.

I'm annoyed that you're annoyed.

I think Stinky's on to something.

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not equate to reason.
Be patient with those who insist otherwise.

re: #179 Wyatt Earp

I wonder if these 30 Iranians believe in God?

Maybe the cranes will collapse and the RGs will see visions of voluptuous virgins on Viagra...

re: #193 Yankee Doodler

I think Stinky's on to something.

Belief in God does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not equate to reason.
Be patient with those who insist otherwise.

I shall take issue with your second statement, sir. It is in fact very much based on reason. On the other hand, belief in Biblical literalism is very much not reason. I mean, come on, where the hell did all that water come from? Please use logical explanations please, and back them up with evidence.

The Prez & The Dude and some very nice thoughts on our President by The Anchoress.

Most churches will give you a Bible for the asking.

Contact THESE GUYS
and they'll bring you bibles, and will explain it all to you. You'll never wonder about that ID/evolution argument ever again. You might regret it though.

re: #192 Mich-again

I'm annoyed that you're annoyed.

Well let's all be annoyed together and move on to something more worthwhile and rockin'. Like the new story that Iran claims to have doubled the number of its nuclear centrifuges.

I'm just thinking back to earlier discussions....
According to the AP, two years ago the Iraq war seemed "lost".

Two years ago the war in Iraq seemed difficult and in danger of of having the $$ yanked away by the Dems, but who the f*ck thought it was lost?

Only the yellow-bellied lefties who WANTED us to lose it, so they could satisfy their wet dream of blaming it on Bush.

I am repeating myself.

I want to.

Darwinism or "evolution" is an absurd and ridiculous idea.

WARNING: I have not the faintest idea whether any given religion has the faintest connection to reality.

The religious belief in evolution is pointless. Who cares?

But the religion of evolution is an idea undermining our war.

Look at LGf.

re: #193 Yankee Doodler

Belief in evolution does not equate to reason.

I disagree with that.

re: #188 MandyManners

Yeah. If Sharia Law is installed here, we're all dead meat! :)

re: #200 Moonzoo

Look at the tag cloud.

re: #181 reine.de.tout

Where did everybody go?

i'm here. i just don't have anything to talk about yet.

re: #193 Yankee Doodler

Belief in evolution does not equate to reason.

So looking at cold hard data and facts isn't reasonable?

re: #200 Moonzoo

Why is it "absurd", Moonzoo, please explain.

How is the understanding of this scientific fact undermining a war?

BTW, it is as much a religious belief as belief in the theory of gravity.

re: #195 Honorary Yooper

My take is that some believers in evolution use as illogical and witless arguments as some believers in creationism use. Believing in one or the other does not excuse bad arguments or faulty science.

The 'inorganic becoming organic' comment above is a great example. It shows a fundamental ignorance of chemistry, as much so as listing foods as organic. I had a zinc supplement today. Everything else I ate was organic, even the stuff that was 'inorganic'.

re: #198 Cognito

Like the new story that Iran claims to have doubled the number of its nuclear centrifuges.

Key word being "claims".

re: #129 Fierce Guppy

Aren't you the clever one.

Te previous thread is dead. Wonder if we ran the same poll here, what would our perctenage of college muslims would say the same thing?

re: #80 pat

When birth becomes a disease they will.

Some folks, such as the junior Senator from the People's Republic of Illinois, think it's already a punishment....

re: #210 Mich-again

Key word being "claims".

Hmm. Could be. Although they've been verifiably on that trajectory for some time.

Hard to know, now that they've booted the UN.

That strategy worked well for Saddam.

re: #200 Moonzoo

But the religion of evolution is an idea undermining our war.

So.... you're telling Charles to drop the subject? Is that it?

re: #200 Moonzoo

Look at LGf.

Why, does it do tricks?

OBAMA AND VIAGRA

re: #200 Moonzoo

Well, ain't you a spayshul snoflake.

Strange, I thought the Theory of Evolution was like the Theory of Gravity, or the Theory of Relativity. Basically it is Fact.

re: #138 jaunte

The Gromster has left the building.

re: #220 NY Nana

Hustled to the exit by the Bouncer...

re: #220 NY Nana

The Gromster has left the building.

Quite permanently too, I notice. He took a shovel, and Stinky buried his account six feet under.

re: #197 IslandLibertarian

Most churches will give you a Bible for the asking.

Contact THESE GUYS and they'll bring you bibles, and will explain it all to you. You'll never wonder about that ID/evolution argument ever again. You might regret it though.

I know too much Koine Greek for their bible. I can't go with the arch-heretic Arius' crowd...

re: #220 NY Nana
Hey Nana, we talk too much. You've been registered 4 years and have 22k comments, I've been registered about a year and have 6k. The gromster been registered for four years and has 640. Why is it the pot stirrers and agitators never have squat for comments?

re: #212 pingjockey

Te previous thread is dead. Wonder if we ran the same poll here, what would our perctenage of college muslims would say the same thing?

My dog is a coward. When we take him to the dog park, he is frightened of the other dogs, he is the beta to their alpha and acts submissive.

However, if at any time he feels he can become dominant, he tries to mount the other dog and dominate them.

This psychology may or may not apply to Muslims, but observe how they act in the face of perceived weakness in the UK.

No dogs were harmed in the observation of this phenomena.

What can anybody tell me about the Chinese relationship with Islam.

Serious question. Any links that anyone would care to share with me?

re: #224 pingjockey

Hey Nana, we talk too much. You've been registered 4 years and have 22k comments, I've been registered about a year and have 6k. The gromster been registered for four years and has 640. Why is it the pot stirrers and agitators never have squat for comments?

Trolls, mobys, and sock puppets, oh my.

re: #214 Cognito

Hard to know, now that they've booted the UN.

It could be to help conceal how far away they still are.

re: #225 Shay4l
Very interesting! Hadn't thought of it like that.

Most hotels have a case or two of Gideon's Bibles that haven't been put in rooms yet, to replace those taken by guests. If you ask at the hotel's front desk, they will probably give you one if they are no too busy.

re: #185 Honorary Yooper

I am an ass. I am not as smart as you and most others.

But I do know, it is logically absurd that non-organic can become organic. No human being - - zero - - can explain how dead becomes undead.

And no creature can give birth to a different creature.

Absurd, and ridiculous.

There is some explanation.

We just do not know what it is.

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

The History of jihad against China

re: #200 Moonzoo

From Dr. Kaku: Think about it...

Hyperspace and a Theory of Everything

What lies beyond our 4 dimensions?

by Michio Kaku

When I was a child, I used to visit the Japanese Tea Garden in San Francisco. I would spend hours fascinated by the carp, who lived in a very shallow pond just inches beneath the lily pads, just beneath my fingers, totally oblivious to the universe above them.

I would ask myself a question only a child could ask: what would it be like to be a carp? What a strange world it would be! I imagined that the pond would be an entire universe, one that is two-dimensional in space. The carp would only be able to swim forwards and backwards, and left and right. But I imagined that the concept of “up”, beyond the lily pads, would be totally alien to them. Any carp scientist daring to talk about “hyperspace”, i.e. the third dimension “above” the pond, would immediately be labelled a crank. I wondered what would happen if I could reach down and grab a carp scientist and lift it up into hyperspace. I thought what a wondrous story the scientist would tell the others! The carp would babble on about unbelievable new laws of physics: beings who could move without fins. Beings who could breathe without gills. Beings who could emit sounds without bubbles. I then wondered: how would a carp scientist know about our existence? One day it rained, and I saw the rain drops forming gentle ripples on the surface of the pond.
Then I understood.

The carp could see rippling shadows on the surface of the pond. The third dimension would be invisible to them, but vibrations in the third dimensions would be clearly visible. These ripples might even be felt by the carp, who would invent a silly concept to describe this, called “force.” They might even give these “forces” cute names, such as light and gravity. We would laugh at them, because, of course, we know there is no “force” at all, just the rippling of the water.

Today, many physicists believe that we are the carp swimming in our tiny pond, blissfully unaware of invisible, unseen uni- verses hovering just above us in hyperspace. We spend our life in three spatial dimensions, confident that what we can see with our telescopes is all there is, ignorant of the possibility of 10 dimensional hyperspace. Although these higher dimensions are invisible, their “ripples” can clearly be seen and felt. We call these ripples gravity and light. The theory of hyperspace, however, languished for many decades for lack of any physical proof or application. But the thoery, once considered the province of eccentrics and mystics, is being revived for a simple reason: it may hold the key to the greatest theory of all time, the “theory of everything.”

re: #201 Mich-again

Mich,

You changed your avatar again? I am going to have to keel you! ;)

re: #227 Honorary Yooper

Though some low-comment counts are due to being quiet little wallflowers...

re: #227 Honorary Yooper
Well, if they were valid debators they would have lots of comments defending their posititions. But it seems they pop up, spew noxious odors and disappear.

re: #200 Moonzoo

But the religion of evolution is an idea undermining our war.

Wow. Now that's a new one.

re: #232 Sharmuta

Thanks. You are a pal!

re: #221 jaunte

Hustled to the exit by the Bouncer...

Ain't Stinky great?

re: #228 Mich-again

It could be to help conceal how far away they still are.

Could be. The Iranians are inveterate exaggerators and liars. Sort of a hobby. But we know they've got the goods to some extent, because we've seen them at it. And we know their big hairy friends, the Russians, are helping them.

re: #239 NY Nana

Batting cleanup, with a 1000 average.

Everyone seems a little sluggish tonight. re: #235 scottishbuzzsaw

I tried to lighten things up with cute pictures. No luck.

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What can anybody tell me about the Chinese relationship with Islam.

Serious question. Any links that anyone would care to share with me?

Here's my summary: the Chinese will not need a Patriot Act to deal with domestic issues...

re: #234 NY Nana

Mich,

You changed your avatar again? I am going to have to keel you! ;)

More appropriate for these threads.. :-)

There are also many editions and translations of the Bible available online.

Here's a site you may find helpful:

[Link: christianity.about.com...]

Regardless of one's faith, a person will find the Bible to be a collection of wonderful stories and poetry that underpin much of Western art, architecture, music, literature, law, and other cultural institutions.

Well [expletive deleted], that's a new record. It took me over an hour to find the kitten from hell's favorite cat toy, including moving all the furniture, which didn't help. Little [expletive deleted] managed to wedge it under the endcap of a baseboard heat register, a place it wouldn't naturally go without being forced.

/damn ball needs a GPS transmitter

re: #231 Moonzoo

There is some explanation.

There is an explanation.

re: #243 spirochete
Nope. The Chicoms do not have anyone howling about human rights inside their country. They take care of what they percieve, to be a threat to the State.

re: #137 Cartman

Excuse me, but WTF is your point?

My point is his quote just isn't valid for the Judeo-Christian religion, but for any other supernatural garbage one can dream up. He might as well have written:

"Belief in supernatural twaddle does not preclude belief in evolution.
Belief in evolution does not preclude belief in supernatural twaddle.
Do not trust those who insist otherwise."

His statements are valid yet completely useless if it meant to convey any credibility to America's favourite supernatural belief system. The only difference between his quote and my paraphrasing of his quote is that Christians on this forum won't give him a tongue lashing the way he put it.

re: #247 Killian Bundy

Well [expletive deleted], that's a new record. It took me over an hour to find the kitten from hell's favorite cat toy, including moving all the furniture, which didn't help. Little [expletive deleted] managed to wedge it under the endcap of a baseboard heat register, a place it wouldn't naturally go without being forced.

/damn ball needs a GPS transmitter

You're a good human!

Back to politics. McCain hammers Bama on troop cancellation.

re: #240 Cognito

The Iranians are inveterate exaggerators and liars.

And Ahmadinejad is Pear Shaped Ali.

On that score, Ahmadinejad should get high marks. But he may owe all that to the Tehrani folk tale we mentioned above. That tale is woven around its hero Ali Golabi (Pear-shaped Ali) who is a small chap with big ambitions.

The bigger chaps in the neighborhood dismiss him as a midget, bully him whenever they can, and never offer him a seat at the table in the teahouse which is their haunt. So what does Ali Golabi do? He goes around waving a big knife, making a big noise, breaking a window here and there, and, occasionally, even strangling a street cat to show his strength. His agitations annoy the big chaps who want to sip their tea, puff their hookahs and play a game of backgammon in peace.

Nevertheless, Ali knows where and when to stop. As soon as the big chaps come out of the teahouse to confront him, he declares that he has already done whatever he had wanted to do and is now ready not to do it again. This helps ease the tension and gets Ali off the hook- until the next showdown.

re: #247 Killian Bundy

/damn ball needs a GPS transmitter dog

re: #222 Honorary Yooper

Quite permanently too, I notice. He took a shovel, and Stinky buried his account six feet under.

/Bet it is buried in The Meadowlands, in Joisey!

re: #249 pingjockey

Nope. The Chicoms do not have anyone howling about human rights inside their country. They take care of what they percieve, to be a threat to the State.

They are good about dealing with internal threats, but there is a lot of ruckus (sp?) raised. There are many thousands of documented protests annually, beatings, killings, etc. More, probably that don;t get out, but you are right, the real threats are gone quickly and with no fuss.

re: #247 Killian Bundy

What happened in the Minnesota legal system in 1998?

re: #252 Bobblehead

Thats a good commercial.

re: #231 Moonzoo

Never said you were an ass, if you'd bother to read my comment, I said you look like an ass when you don't do the proper research first. Big difference there, dude.

Now, a creature does not simply give birth to another creature. They change much more slowly than that, and it's a population that changes, not a creature by itself nor just simply its offspring. Its great-great-great-grandchildren many times removed will be a different species after change has occurred with each successive generation. And, in order to become another species, it must usually be unable to mate with other species and have viable offspring (example, mules: offspring of donkeys and horses, but sterile, and therefore, not viable to pass on their genes). By typing your comment, you show your ignorance of the subject matter. You also do so when you talk about the inorganic and organic. Organic matter comes from carbon-based chemistry, aka organic chemistry. You will never get life as we know it from a lump of silicon or uranium. It takes carbon. And as such, it was organic from the beginning. Just because it is not alive does not mean it is not organic.

I suggest you educate yourself about these topics. This is a good place to start.

re: #226 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wikipedia has an interesting entry on the subject. I found it especially interesting how Muslims went out of their way to integrate into Chinese society; see the "integration" subsection.

re: #243 spirochete

Here's my summary: the Chinese will not need a Patriot Act to deal with domestic issues...

There's no doubt the Chinese communists will deal with Islamic terrorists in ways that would make the Western press screech and howl if the US or Israel did the same thing.

re: #231 Moonzoo

You misunderstand the terms organic and inorganic—carbon containing chemicals and chemicals without carbon.

With either a "creation to final forms" or evolution or some combination, I think there has to be some greater outside force to explain it—something greater than the Sun or aliens. The argument boils down to what is the first cause. Big Bang ex nihilo or out of preëxistant matter seems weak to me. Something was first. What was it?

Good evening all y'all - seems as if I'm late to the party again.
Damn.
What have I missed?!

re: #249 pingjockey

Get out of my head!

re: #262 Shay4l

There's no doubt the Chinese communists will deal with Islamic terrorists in ways that would make the Western press screech and howl if the US or Israel did the same thing.

True, but it will be okay for them. Highest expectations for us, lowest for them.

re: #200 Moonzoo

Look at LGf.

//Looks around

I see lots of intelligent posts from which I learn a wide variety of information. And there's an occasional barking lunatic who wants to make sure everyone recognizes that they are a barking lunatic.

re: #247 Killian Bundy

Well [expletive deleted], that's a new record. It took me over an hour to find the kitten from hell's favorite cat toy, including moving all the furniture, which didn't help. Little [expletive deleted] managed to wedge it under the endcap of a baseboard heat register, a place it wouldn't naturally go without being forced.

/damn ball needs a GPS transmitter

That sweet looking little kitty? Though, on second glance, I do notice a very determined look on his/her face.

re: #257 spirochete
We here about the Christians and Buddhists and that other one they harrass. How many don't we hear about? As for the Chicoms dealing with islamist terrorists, there they are good luck, there's no limit on dead terrorists.

I do not believe in ceiling cat...