Anyone know how well Kerry or Gore were doing in the polls in July?

Why do people waste so much time on these polls? The media seems more interested in creating the news than reporting it. These polls don't exactly have a great track record for being good indicators of actual poll results, but the media promotes the hell out of them when they say what they want to hear.

See, everyone? It apparently pays to bad-mouth and sell out your country.

Outlier. Still early lizards. I heard Carter was up 25 points over Ronaldus Maximus in June 1980.

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

49 to 40? I would hope that the other 11 percent just didn't feel like saying "John McCain" because they had a bad day.

(sigh) PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, I COME NOT TO TRASH MY COUNTRY, BUT TO BE THE TURE WORLD LEADER THAT IS MY RIGHT.

And now he is up inthe polls.

Fantasy, until election day.

re: #1 Opilio

Anyone know how well Kerry or Gore were doing in the polls in July?

no, but both were ahead on election day 2000 and 2004 !

The only relevant statistic:

Obama has a 0% chance of winning the Presidency.

I would stake my life on it.

re: #5 Mich-again

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

I hate vending machine coffee.

The bounce the O campaign expected from the trip doesn't match reality and it will fade. It's actually less than I would expect considering he sucked up all headlines for four days, and McCain got little to zero press. His trip fell flat.

re: #9 sattv4u2

no, but both were ahead on election day 2000 and 2004 !

ROTFLMAO

re: #5 Mich-again

re: #11 The Other Les

I hate vending machine coffee.

hell ,,, it's been YEARS since i've seen ANYTHING in a vending machine for $.50

re: #2 mossley

Why do people waste so much time on these polls? The media seems more interested in creating the news than reporting it. These polls don't exactly have a great track record for being good indicators of actual poll results, but the media promotes the hell out of them when they say what they want to hear.

It's supposed to discourage us heathens from going to the real polls in November.

It also gives the rabble something to be angry about when their Messiah loses.

re: #10 cicadajoe

I would stake my life on it.

You are, so am I...we all are!

Yeah, now we will get a true patriot,defender of the weak, healer of the sick, champion of the downtrodden and destitute and Savior of the Universe Barry O'bama.
(TIC)

Note to World: You don't get to vote. So Frak You!

re: #13 Dizzy26

ROTFLMAO

thank you thank you. I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress

re: #5 Mich-again

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

Coffee's .75, now.

re: #20 sattv4u2

thank you thank you. I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress

ok

There is no way Obama is going to win. Using my moonbat family as a compass with 14 out of 16 that should be voting Obama but my latest poll has McCain at 14 out of 16, Massachusetts moonbats.

This seems an outlier from the trend of the last few weeks, see The Belmont Club's recent entry on the polls. Some bounce after the relentless media cheering is expected but Obama even sounded like he was trying to downplay the impact of it. Sounds to me like he was hoping for a big response he did not get.

Just about every time I've flipped past CNN this weekend, a special "Black in America" has been playing.

Gallup Poll: Obama 9 Points Ahead

QUESTION, Was this a poll of people in the USA , or CITIZENS OF THE WORLD?

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

re: #5 Mich-again

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

Here is a dime. Call your Mother.

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

I had to ding you down for that and you need a slap in the face to wake you up

Obama on Meet the Press:

"With the topic of conversation remaining on the Middle East, Obama stressed the importance of finalizing a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, as a key to building international support for the renewed efforts in Afghanistan.

Such a diplomatic coup would not only restore U.S. credibility in the region, he said, but also would diffuse Iran’s influence there. Obama said that in a meeting with King Abdullah of Jordan, he had promised close supervision and immediate support from a potential Obama administration."

Translation:
Israel is responsible for the fact the Taliban are in Afghanistan and the international community will not help us until we squeeze the life out of the Jews. See, Israel is responsible for all the evil in the world.

Change you can believe in.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

Way to be a bright light of optimism there, Kyle. Will you please come to funeral home and yuk it up there too?

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you for your post on Larry Lessig/anti copyright laws a few thread down. Much appreciated.

I'm not amused about McCain insulting Germans.
Calling them "fawning" doesn't exactly show a lot of style in foreign policy.

It's also not correct. If you read German press you'd see that Obama does receive friendly praise but also a lot of criticism.

And the German crowd in Berlin was not fawning either. I have watched carefully. Those who were stood close to Obama and were mostly Americans.

We do not appreciate to be insulted. Thank you for your attention.

re: #28 lifeofthemind

Here is a dime. Call your Mother.

A phone call is fifty cents now.

I say good. Let the liberals be lulled into a false sense of security over BHO's poll numbers. Anyways McCain is at his best when all looks lost.

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

Coffee's .75, now.

Apparently the corporation I work for isn't so greedy. We still pay 50 cents.

Dead cat bounce?

I looked at their "poll data" and it provides only that they hit registered voters. 2,692 of them.

No breakdown as to political affiliation.

Nothing.

Rasmussen has a 5 point spread and they note that it was a modest bounce at best. AKA dead cat bounce.

In other words, nothing to write home about in any language.

4 years ago, worried as hell about the up-coming election, I found and joined lgf.
It has taken me 4 years to be very afraid again, and I just now, today, figured out how to ; post, reply, respond, up-ping, etc...

(Never been accused of being overly technical, (or bright come to think of it.)
Oh well, I tipped ya!

Gallup measure is registered voters, not likely voters. Given the Dems ability to register every wino, felon and projects resident I think one can safely shave a few points off these results.

But he sure does make a dandy looking Pres don't he?

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama White Whorehouse, please stop.

Fixed it for you.

McCain needs to rev up. He needs to chose a running mate. Once again, Romney is the best gambit. Unless, of course, you are one of those idiots who voted for Paul or the Huckster.

re: #36 Mich-again

Apparently the corporation I work for isn't so greedy. We still pay 50 cents.

But you have to bring your own cup ,,,,,,, and water ,,,,,,, and coffee grounds !

As far as I can tell no one from Gallup ever polls the philly suburbs. Has Gallup approach any of you?

July 26, 1988:

Fifty-five percent of the 948 registered voters interviewed in the poll said they preferred to see Mr. Dukakis win the 1988 Presidential election, while 38 percent said they preferred to see Mr. Bush win. The poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points.

This represented a shift in Mr. Dukakis's lead from the 47 percent to 41 percent advantage he held in the last pre-convention Gallup Poll, taken by telephone July 8-10. In that poll, 1,001 registered voters were interviewed.

Nominees usually enjoy a lift in the polls after the nomination. Ed Slaughter, project director at Gallup, pointed out that in 1984, Walter Mondale's standing rose 12 points after the Democratic convention that year. But the improved standing dissipated within ten days, Mr. Slaughter said.

Another poll, conducted in Texas, also showed Mr. Dukakis gaining ground from the convention. The survey of 504 registered voters likely to cast ballots, conducted on Friday and Saturday by Peter Hart, a Democratic poll taker, showed Mr. Dukakis leading Mr. Bush by 50 percent to 40 percent. A survey of that size has a sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points. A Hart survey of 265 such voters for The Chicago Tribune from July 5 to 9 had shown the race even in Texas - 46 percent for Mr. Dukakis, 46 percent for Mr. Bush, with a sampling error of plus or minus six percentage points.

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

#33

You're right. Instead of "fawning", perhaps "drunk, deluded, and dickless" would have been a better assessment of today's German.

re: #28 lifeofthemind

Here is a dime. Call your Mother.

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?

KSK (#33),

Well we don't read German press, maybe you could link some of these critical articles?

OK Everyone -

#1. What was the SAMPLING BASIS.

#2. 32 Years Ago - "My Guy" - Jimmy Carter was "UP" 20+ Per Cent.

#3. 20 Years Ago - "Pres. Dukakis" was "UP" in the mid/high Teens Per Cent.

#4. Sen. McCain hasn't run a terribly good campaign to date. Seems like he IS getting a clue lately.

#5. The November 2008 Election is about 100 Days away - stuff can change.

Go from there.

-S-

A couple weeks ago the LAT said Obama was up by 15. Polls are becoming useless. I look a lot more at prediction market results. First, I think Obama's numbers are BS because frankly, I think a lot of folks tell the pollster they will vote for Obama not to sound racist. Second , This poll result is just slightly above the margin of error. most polls in the last couple months are within the margin of error. Fine, he may have gotten some bounce from the trip. Within a week, the poll numbers will be back to within the margin of error. Then the democratic clown car/3-ring circus called the Democratic national convention will roll into Denver. I hate to be pessimistic, I wish for no bad news in any American city. But when you have a group called "Recreate '68' coming to town, do you really think there won't be some type of trouble going down? Even if nothing happens outside, I still think Hillary will go Brutus on Obama and really throw a monkey wrench into the Coronation, er, excuse me, nomination of God, er, excuse me, Obama. If that happens, say goodbye to the Dem party. If Obama gets the nomination, say hello to the modern Mcgovern. If hillary takes the nomination away, the Dems can say goodbye to the African-American community for decades. Either way, John McCain is the next POTUS.

re: #33 KSK

I'm not amused about McCain insulting Germans.
Calling them "fawning" doesn't exactly show a lot of style in foreign policy.

It's also not correct. If you read German press you'd see that Obama does receive friendly praise but also a lot of criticism.

And the German crowd in Berlin was not fawning either. I have watched carefully. Those who were stood close to Obama and were mostly Americans.

We do not appreciate to be insulted. Thank you for your attention.

I don't get why he was there in the first place and if it was not for America you would be speaking German right now,,,, well some other people would be.

re: #46 Mich-again

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

Ah, okay, now, go back to sleep.

re: #33 KSK

You're correct. Most of the Germans in attendance were there for the beer and bratwurst.

re: #30 MJ

Obama on Meet the Press:

"With the topic of conversation remaining on the Middle East, Obama stressed the importance of finalizing a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, as a key to building international support for the renewed efforts in Afghanistan.

Such a diplomatic coup would not only restore U.S. credibility in the region, he said, but also would diffuse Iran’s influence there. Obama said that in a meeting with King Abdullah of Jordan, he had promised close supervision and immediate support from a potential Obama administration."

Translation:
Israel is responsible for the fact the Taliban are in Afghanistan and the international community will not help us until we squeeze the life out of the Jews. See, Israel is responsible for all the evil in the world.

Change you can believe in.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Abdullah of Jordan has gotten a pass for blatantly obstructionist and confrontational acts. The reason is the legacy of the affection felt for his father the late King Hussein. The Father secretly worked with the Israelis, took courageous action against the Palestinian terrorists at the time of Black September and remembered how his Grandfather was murdered on the Temple Mount by the fascist thugs. He also remembered that the Saudis are the ignorant savages who kicked his family out of their rightful place, in Hashemite tradition, as rulers of Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is an accomodationist to the radical fringe. He was Saddam's toady.

This is bad news for America. After pretty clearly showing that he is an empty suit Barry should not have gotten this sort of bounce.

re: #45 bp sf

#33

You're right. Instead of "fawning", perhaps "drunk, deluded, and dickless" would have been a better assessment of today's German.

They are either at your feet or at your throat.

(BHO's feet, our throats.)

re: #34 The Other Les

A phone call is fifty cents now.

That was my point.

re: #50 chicagodudewhotrades

"cdwt" -

Like - "DUH" That is all for now, and quite enough.

-S-

re: #46 Mich-again

You have a pay phone? Haven't seen a working one in years. they are rapidly disappearing.

pay phones are SOOOOO 20th Century.

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

re: #45 bp sf

My thoughts exactly. Plus 1 for you.

re: #46 Mich-again

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?

Not quite that far back. Phone calls could be places for a dime back in the seventies.

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

"satt" -

AND - I remember 5 cent Public Phones in New Orleans, LA - they were FEW and FAR BETWEEN.

-S-

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

I remember that and I'm not that old.

re: #46 Mich-again

You must be a young-n. pb10

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

heh heh
I'm older.

I remember when every 'name' business with a phone, made it
a 'courtesy phone', later charging a nickel.

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

How about pinball machines - 10¢ a game, 3 for 25¢   Good times.

re: #37 lawhawk

Dead cat bounce?

I looked at their "poll data" and it provides only that they hit registered voters. 2,692 of them.

No breakdown as to political affiliation.

Nothing.

In other words, nothing to write home about in any language.

I tried to find the political affiliation breakdown and couldn't. I would think they would report that.

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

DRAKE

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

I do not go that far back but I had some relatives with a party line. They would answer their phone based on how many times it rang or something like that.

re: #55 lifeofthemind

Abdullah of Jordan has gotten a pass for blatantly obstructionist and confrontational acts. The reason is the legacy of the affection felt for his father the late King Hussein. The Father secretly worked with the Israelis, took courageous action against the Palestinian terrorists at the time of Black September and remembered how his Grandfather was murdered on the Temple Mount by the fascist thugs. He also remembered that the Saudis are the ignorant savages who kicked his family out of their rightful place, in Hashemite tradition, as rulers of Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is an accomodationist to the radical fringe. He was Saddam's toady.

He's a Trekkie.

My folks are loyal AARPublicans. But if the Gallup pollsters ever called them they wouldn't give them the time o' day. Not everyone is willing to answer questions to strangers on the phone, particularly the elderly who don't care much for talking on the phone in the first place.

re: #68 Dizzy26

heh heh
I'm older.

I remember when every 'name' business with a phone, made it
a 'courtesy phone', later charging a nickel.

I remember when phone numbers started with letters, like LU 3.4860

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

And before that, I remember PARTY LINES. Having a "private line" was a really big deal. And instead of a numerical prefix, there used an "exchange". It wasn't 443-xxxx, it was "Hillcrest" 3-xxxx.

re: #70 Opilio

How about pinball machines - 10¢ a game, 3 for 25¢   Good times.

Oh yes.

The more the "cam-pain" wears on more I am convinced that Obama is to politics what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

Kerry Gore Gallup; 2004

I remember when my uncle bought the 1st TV any family member had. We would actually WATCH the TEST PATTERN, just because A) there wasn't much more on, and B) we were so amazed at the technology itself!

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

Shoot, I remember that... and I ain't that old. Where I grew up (Big Bear Lake, CA), you only needed 5 numbers (a 5 or a 6 + the four) to make a local call as late as the mid 1980s.

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

re: #75 Mich-again

My folks are loyal AARPublicans. But if the Gallup pollsters ever called them they wouldn't give them the time o' day. Not everyone is willing to answer questions to strangers on the phone, particularly the elderly who don't care much for talking on the phone in the first place.

I got rid of my home phone last year and cell phone now, only calls I was getting on the home phone was the Obama campaign

re: #76 outsidephilly

see my #72

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

Weird. My first phone number was in a DUnkirk exchange. But only the DU stood for numbers.

re: #80 Egfrow

Kerry Gore Gallup; 2004

This was supposed to read Kerry vs Bush 2004

So how long before Sen. Obama pronounces "I believe it is peace for our time." and how long after that do we get attacked?

reine.de.tout (#71),

I tried to find the political affiliation breakdown and couldn't. I would think they would report that.

Yes you would think that since the very nature of reliable statistics has to do with the sampling data.

re: #74 The Other Les

He's a Trekkie.

My error, the first King Abdullah of Jordan was the present Abdullah's Great-Grandfather.

re: #79 Meremortal

The more the "cam-pain" wears on more I am convinced that Obama is to politics what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

Let's all pitch in for a case of grape flavor-aid.

re: #76 outsidephilly

I remember when phone numbers started with letters, like LU 3.4860

OOOPPS ,,, my #69 (responded too in 72)

All McCain has to do is get the Messiah off script in a debate just once. It's over.

Anyone know what the Gallup poll showed before the Obama Tour?

re: #83 outsidephilly

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

lowest I can remember is $0.29⁹

So I see Obama is ahead in the poll. Enjoy it now, soon you will only be known as the loser.

re: #94 Van Helsing

Anyone know what the Gallup poll showed before the Obama Tour?

Apparently 9 points less than now.

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

In Buffalo, (heaven help me) Mine was PA(rkside)-3929....
(In the 40's)

re: #37 lawhawk

Dead cat bounce?

I looked at their "poll data" and it provides only that they hit registered voters. 2,692 of them.

No breakdown as to political affiliation.

Nothing.

Rasmussen has a 5 point spread and they note that it was a modest bounce at best. AKA dead cat bounce.

In other words, nothing to write home about in any language.

I'd say the breakdown looks like this.

40% - Old White guys
40% - Democrats
9% - Republicans tired of being called racist.
11% - Ron Paul

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

yeah and according to the MSM kerry was supposed to win also.

re: #93 Egfrow

All McCain has to do is get the Messiah off script in a debate just once. It's over.

you mean "uh,,, umm,,, err,, well,,, we will ,, ummm,,, errr,,, what I ,,, ummm,,,, change ,,, ahhh ,,,,, errrr,, welll,,, hope ,,,,, ummm" won't go over well ?

re: #82 Spiny Norman

Shoot, I remember that... and I ain't that old. Where I grew up (Big Bear Lake, CA), you only needed 5 numbers (a 5 or a 6 + the four) to make a local call as late as the mid 1980s.

Yes 5 numbers was the very early 80's but 4 was the 60's and 70's

I remember being pissed off when candy bars went from 5¢ to 10¢. It was a big deal because I used to collect returnable bottles for the deposit and exchange them for Milky Ways or M&Ms.

re: #94 Van Helsing

Never mind.

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

Lazy bastard...

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

"satt" -

I remember "LI(berty) 8" as a pre-area code exchange. Dialing only 4 numbers for a local line is Before My Time. Actually, had the Phone Company(s) been able to Physically/Electrically Keep Alpha-Numeric Exchanges, we would not need as many area codes as there are 26 LETTERS in the English Alphabet - and ONLY 10 WHOLE NUMERALS. Food for thought there.

-S-

re: #79 Meremortal

The more the "cam-pain" wears on more I am convinced that Obama is to politics what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

re: #100 solomonpanting

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

movie theater in my town ,,,, 25 cents,,,,, 4-5 cartoons,, 2 full movies ,,,, give-aways between flicks (china,, glasses ,,, ect )

HEY ,, GAS stations used to give away drinking glasses also!

re: #95 Opilio

lowest I can remember is $0.29⁹

ya got me there . . . , either way, gas used to be so cheap we would spend our hanging-out time just drivin' around philly - or drag racing down Darin Avenue.

re: #70 Opilio

im only 26 and they used to have acutal penny candy at 7/11 when i was little

Gore vs Bush Gallup Poll July 2000

re: #77 reine.de.tout

"Queenie" -

For some reason - I DO REMEMBER "Party Lines." Was NO PARTY if all 'y'all had one.

-S-

re: #100 solomonpanting

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

OK you are older then me by a long shot.

re: #108 sattv4u2

movie theater in my town ,,,, 25 cents,,,,, 4-5 cartoons,, 2 full movies ,,,, give-aways between flicks (china,, glasses ,,, ect )

HEY ,, GAS stations used to give away drinking glasses also!

S&H Greenstamps.

re: #93 Egfrow

All McCain has to do is get the Messiah off script in a debate just once. It's over.

He said today he is committed to "three vigorous debates". Three, count 'em. He made it clear there will be no town hall type events. He "has already been in a lot of debates and the people get tired of them" - paraphrasing.

He is chicken.

re: #104 Spiny Norman

I remember being pissed off when candy bars went from 5¢ to 10¢. It was a big deal because I used to collect returnable bottles for the deposit and exchange them for Milky Ways or M&Ms.

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Yes, I could walk to the 7-11, pick up three bottles along the way, and the 6 cents would buy a candy bar. Summertime, and the livin' was easy.

re: #108 sattv4u2

Yeah. Movies were double features and the cartoons were a great diversion.

re: #107 Mich-again

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

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That's interesting, thanks.

re: #95 Opilio

lowest I can remember is $0.29⁹

Me, too. But I was too young to drive.

polls don't lie.
don't try to steal the opinion poll taken in november.

re: #103 BBev

Yes 5 numbers was the very early 80's but 4 was the 60's and 70's

When I was in Jr High in the early 70s, we needed 5 numbers, but apparently the second exchange was quite new then.

re: #55 lifeofthemind

Abdullah of Jordan has gotten a pass for blatantly obstructionist and confrontational acts. The reason is the legacy of the affection felt for his father the late King Hussein. The Father secretly worked with the Israelis, took courageous action against the Palestinian terrorists at the time of Black September and remembered how his Grandfather was murdered on the Temple Mount by the fascist thugs. He also remembered that the Saudis are the ignorant savages who kicked his family out of their rightful place, in Hashemite tradition, as rulers of Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is an accomodationist to the radical fringe. He was Saddam's toady.

Even worse.
What the press isn't saying because they're in the Obama protection racket, is that Abdullah is feeding Obama the nonsense that the biggest threat to the Middle East isn't Iran but the Arab/Israeli conflict. It's bullshit but feeds into the Left's perception of the Middle East. Here's the passage from Meet the Press:

And, and one thing I want to pick up on, because I think King, King Abdullah is as savvy a analyst of the region and player in the region as, as there is, one of the points that he made and I think a lot of people made, is that we've got to have an overarching strategy recognizing that all these issues are connected. If we can solve the Israeli/Palestinian process, then that will make it easier for Arab states and the Gulf states to support us when it comes to issues like Iraq and Afghanistan.

It will also weaken Iran, which has been using Hamas and Hezbollah as a way to stir up mischief in the region. If we've gotten an Israeli/Palestinian peace deal, maybe at the same time peeling Syria out of the Iranian orbit, that makes it easier to isolate Iran so that they have a tougher time developing a nuclear weapon.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

re: #114 Van Helsing

S&H Greenstamps.

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

re: #114 Van Helsing

S&H Greenstamps.

Heh. I think my mom still has a couple of Green Stamps books squirreled away somewhere.

re: #100 solomonpanting

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

Was there much snow when you walked uphill (both ways) to school?

/

re: #91 The Other Les

Let's all pitch in for a case of grape flavor-aid.

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I guess that's where the saying about "drinking the kool-aid" came from, huh?

This morning I posted an -OT- , just for me.
Now I'll repost it for anyone that might need to see it

.#79 Dizzy26 :: Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:37:57 am
an OT just for me
21 years ago today, I oiled, loaded & cocked a Browning, Belgium made .380 automatic, took a mouthful of KESSLERS, stuck the muzzle in my mouth, asked G-d to forgive me, and pulled the trigger.

apparently HE did.

On Sept. 26th, I will celebrate 21 years of sobriety

No comments needed...

Here is a email from a guy I know in Afghanistan who was there when Obama visited last week.
Hello everyone,
> As you know I am not a very political person.
> I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'.

> I wanted to share with you what happened.
> He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

>
> As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.

> As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.

> He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
>
> So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President.
> I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

>
> I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States.

> I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief.
> It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
>
> If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is.

> What you see in the news is all fake.
>
> In service,
> CPT Jeffrey S.
> Battle Captain
> TF Wasatch
> American Soldier

re: #14 sattv4u2

re: #11 The Other Les

hell ,,, it's been YEARS since i've seen ANYTHING in a vending machine for $.50

you beat me to the punch :}

re: #23 BBev

There is no way Obama is going to win. Using my moonbat family as a compass with 14 out of 16 that should be voting Obama but my latest poll has McCain at 14 out of 16, Massachusetts moonbats.

How do your moonbat family members explain their choice?

re: #114 Van Helsing

S&H Greenstamps.

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

re: #95 Opilio

Yea and cruise most the nite pb10

re: #121 Spiny Norman

When I was in Jr High in the early 70s, we needed 5 numbers, but apparently the second exchange was quite new then.

we are about the same age

re: #126 Meremortal

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I guess that's where the saying about "drinking the kool-aid" came from, huh?

Yes.

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Was there much snow when you walked uphill (both ways) to school?

/

No too much, but dodging the dinosuars was the challenge!

The latest Gallup poll shows a significant “bounce” for Barack Obama following his Pseudo-Presidential World Tour: Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 40%.

Sure. I'll buy those poll results for a dollar.

Lest we forget, pre-election polling had Obama winning New Hampshire by a significant margin. Things didn't quite turn out that way.

re: #113 BBev

OK you are older then me by a long shot.

Why doesn't that make me feel good?

re: #124 Spiny Norman

I was just a kid and licking those dang things and sticking them in the books was one of my chores.

How's Dinsdale doing these days?

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

We have a practically brand new one about 6 miles up the road.

What's been missing from a discussion of Senator Obamas chances are the "Bradley effect,"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

a polling error named after Tom Bradley, the beloved five-term mayor of Los Angeles who ran for governor of the state of CA, and lost, twice actually, all the while being ahead in the polls. In his case the polls were off 5%, even exit polls were off that much. Basically the theory is non-blacks wish to appear more liberal by supporting the black candidate in public and thus cause errors in polls.

A more severe example of this polling error appeared in the very liberal New York City, when Mayor David Dinkins polled 14 points higher than Rudolph Giuliani, but finished only 2 points ahead. In the second contest, four years later, Giuliani was 9 points behind and won the election.

Senator Obama has yet to poll higher than 49%, not a good sign, as there are 10% more Democrats than Republicans, so he should be higher, and the Bradley effect will be at least 5 points and maybe as many as 12 points as it was in NYC.

re: #126 Meremortal

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I guess that's where the saying about "drinking the kool-aid" came from, huh?

Yep.

re: #130 neocon hippie

How do your moonbat family members explain their choice?

They may be moonbats but they are not Socialist.

re: #131 Opilio

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

No idea.

We had Gold Bond stamps in Minnesota. (Bastard bought favorable legislation from the local Donks.)

re: #95 Opilio

lowest I can remember is $0.29⁹

"O" -

I can remember 26.9 cents/gal. - IN "SOUTH JERSEY" - Meaning Mercer County, a/k/a Trenton Area and further South/West. In North/East NJ it was 5-6 cents higher - including Monmouth County, a/k/a Freehold and the Shore. May not be "Stronger Than Dirt" - Feeling "Older Than Sand."

-S-

re: #137 solomonpanting

Why doesn't that make me feel good?

Well your as old as you feel and I feel young

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

Those still exist. I visit three different ones occasionally.

They are wonderful for families with small kids, because they can squirm around, talk out loud, and sleep if they want to.

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

Well, no, not in July and August in Louisiana.

re: #131 Opilio

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

Ya got me. I have no clue. Please enlighten.

Frankly, WTF was Obama doing giving a public speech in Germany? He doesn't represent anyone other than his Illinois constituents. Germany/Berlin should be ashamed of itself, and, well, Obama is a narcissistic socialist empty shirt.

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 ailes!

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

We have a practically brand new one about 6 miles up the road.

I may have to relocate . . .

re: #43 outsidephilly

As far as I can tell no one from Gallup ever polls the philly suburbs. Has Gallup approach any of you?

Nevah. Nor anyone I know for that matter :/

re: #128 TheBull271

Here is a email from a guy I know in Afghanistan who was there when Obama visited last week.

You really know this guy? There's was a buzz around the blogosphere about that email a couple of days ago regarding its veracity. Don't know how all that turned out.

Dizzy26 (#127),

No comments needed...

You've inspired a bit of reflection in all of us I think.

Thanks for that.

re: #138 Van Helsing

I was just a kid and licking those dang things and sticking them in the books was one of my chores.

How's Dinsdale doing these days?

Not sure. I haven't seen him since I used to chase him around at Fark.com.

;^)

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

My first job (other than a Free Press route) was at a Woolworths. As for Kresge, I was a big fan of the Cherry/Coke Slush.

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 ailes!

Not only that, but we had Dairy Queen Ice Cream stands. and really cool Hot Shoppe drive-up hamburger joints

re: #153 Opilio

You really know this guy? There's was a buzz around the blogosphere about that email a couple of days ago regarding its veracity. Don't know how all that turned out.

Yeah went to school with him

re: #154 Geepers

Dizzy26 (#127),

You've inspired a bit of reflection in all of us I think.

Thanks for that.

I'll second that. I've got 2 family members that weren't so blessed.
Treasure your life.

re: #131 Opilio

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

Opillio -

Sperry and Hutchinson - Their Area Warehouse where I lived was on NJ Rt. 27 North in Edison, NJ - Just south of the Metuchen - Edison town line.
CRAZY EDDIE Antar took over the building as his Corporate HQ over until he had to go on "the lam." Antar, by the way is a free man today and living a couple of mile North of me.

-S-

The main reason Obama as a bump is because McCain was ignored by the MSM while they chased around with Barry.

re: #107 Mich-again

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

They tried to create their perfect utopia out of the jungle through back breaking work and physical abuse. The People's Church was clearly a blue print for a Marxist Town. Too bad so many people that didn't want to die were forced to die by the enthusiastic followers. Jim Jones died of a gun shot wound.

When members apparently cried, Jones counseled "Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity."--Jim Jones

Obama says he's becoming competitive in red states

Ya right and I have a bridge to sell ya.

re: #144 Dr. Shalit

"O" -

I May not be "Stronger Than Dirt"
-S-

I associate that phrase with "Ajax laundry detergent". I'm glad I'm carrying that useful piece of information around.

The Poll will also give a boost of confidence to the MSM that makes the believe that they have the absolute power to pick the Candidate and the next President.

I'm waiting for that answer, Opilio...
Don't make me look it up...

re: #51 BBev

I don't get why he was there in the first place and if it was not for America you would be speaking German right now,,,, well some other people would be.

If not for America he would be speaking RUSSIAN!

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 isles!

Yep. There was a Woolworth's within walking distance when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade (before we moved to Big Bear), and it had a lunch counter.

They still have them in Australia, oddly enough.

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

was that really THE Crazy Eddie on the ads, or was that an actor?

Examples for critical German articles about Obama

[Link: www.zeit.de...] (Centrist major weekly paper criticizing Obama's arrogance)
[Link: blogs.taz.de...] (leftist paper mocking the Obamania)
[Link: www.welt.de...] (Conservative paper mocking the emptyness of the speech)

Since I didn't bookmark what I read it'll take more than a few minutes to find them but in the last 2 days I have read a lot of very critical assessments of the speech and the mania surrounding Obama. Same goes for German TV with rather nuanced discussions.

The tenor is that Obama used Berliners as a backdrop for a campaign speech that despite talking about Berlin had really nothing to do with Berlin or Germany, was full of empty phrases and absurd non sequiturs.

It was also noted that Obama's idea that more Europeans should go to Afghanistan so he can slash taxes in the U.S. didn't go down well at all. It's actually a serious diplomatic blunder which U.S. press fails to notice.

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 ailes!

We had Woolworth's but they were bigger than that.

Our mini-wonderland was called TG&Y...a buck would go a long way...I could get a GI Joe accessory and a candy bar...it was next to the Weingarten's grocery, so my brother and I would go in there during Mom's grocery trip once a week.

re: #164 Opilio

I associate that phrase with "Ajax laundry detergent". I'm glad I'm carrying that useful piece of information around.

Also the closing stanza to 'Touch Me' by The Doors.

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

Ah, Crazy Eddies - his prices are insane (helps to explain the bankruptcy, criminal charges.

And other great former electronics chains:

The Wiz... whose tagline was Nobody beats the Wiz (until they did, and it went out of business).

re: #168 Spiny Norman

Yep. There was a Woolworth's within walking distance when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade (before we moved to Big Bear), and it had a lunch counter.

They still have them in Australia, oddly enough.

Really ,, cool ,,, i'm planning a trip to Australia 3-4 years from now (my wife insists we go to Paris for our 20th anniversary next year ,,, grrrrr )

re: #151 outsidephilly

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

We have a practically brand new one about 6 miles up the road.

I may have to relocate . . .

FM2920, out past Rosehill, Texas.

I know I'll have to take heat for this one, but here it goes:

The key to winning the Presidency in this election is the Center.

McCain is closer the Center than Obama.

The Country's future will continue to move towards the center. (The next 4 or 5 Republican nominees after McCain will have the task of slowing down the moves to the Left to a Conservative pace for the next 50 years. The move Left is inevitable and unstoppable, and our nation's history is proof)

If I were advising McCain, I would tell him to pursue a VP who is in the Center when it comes to Foreign Policy and protecting the interests of the United States in the International Power Politics arena.

This requires politicians with the balls to stand on principle. In this case, Lieberman seems to be a solid candidate and/or at minimum a person to court for a Cabinet Position.

I know it seems distasteful, even whimsical, but search your feelings, USE THE FORCE......

At this critical time in the World's history, a Rookie is not the answer. Obama must be defeated in this election. The alternative costs of an Obama victory will be too expensive for us all.

imho

Looking forward to the "no way dude" - "you're crazy man" - "never happen" - "Lieberman is a Leftist" retorts.....Let me have it, I'll sit here and take it for awhile anyway, gotta get up early....

;)

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Was there much snow when you walked uphill (both ways) to school?

/

The best line I heard regarding "when I was a kid"...

A Japanese comedienne:

"My mother said when she was a child she had to walk to school in the midst of an atomic bomb."

re: #162 Idle Drifter

Jim Jones was a darling of the left at the time for his Marxist ideology. But after the mass suicide of his cult, the same people were happy enough that Jones was painted in the media as some sort of religious fanatic and not a Marxist.

re: #157 outsidephilly

Not only that, but we had Dairy Queen Ice Cream stands. and really cool Hot Shoppe drive-up hamburger joints

Dairy Queens are still all over down here...real hamburger joints are hard to come by.

re: #170 KSK

Examples for critical German articles about Obama

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

How is your son doing?
How long has he been in Afghanistan?
Would you let him know I thank him for his service, please?

re: #162 Idle Drifter

not self inflicted, the coward had to get someone else to do it

These ridiculous polls and subsequently erroneous numbers in regards to how the country will really vote-- are going to come back and bit the MSM straight in the ass come election time.

They are being used to "float" Obama as much as possible now to show him as a true contender. However, it's giving his supporters a false sense of.. well, "hope." When the votes are tabulated (not just exit polls), a lot of America will be wondering "how? He was up by so much!"

It happened in the primaries.

re: #174 sattv4u2

Really ,, cool ,,, i'm planning a trip to Australia 3-4 years from now (my wife insists we go to Paris for our 20th anniversary next year ,,, grrrrr )

Go to Amsterdam.. It's more fun and it smells better..
/ducking

re: #175 OldLineTexan

FM2920, out past Rosehill, Texas.

aahhh, I don't know how to speak Texas, only French :o)

re: #176 neverquit

This country is moving more to the right, not the left. But I do agree that the Center is important

re: #176 neverquit

short answer ,, you're right in a way. it WILL all depend on the middle, and seeing McCain is more middle than Obama, he doesn;'t need to be shored up there. What he does need is help on the right, Lieberman, although I admire him, does NOT help Mccain there

re: #150 sattv4u2

Boy do I. pb10

re: #176 neverquit

I floated the idea of a McCain/Lieberman ticket months ago here. Its not crazy one bit. But still highly unlikely.

re: #181 pegcity

I was unsure so I left it vague.

re: #167 jcw46

If not for America he would be speaking RUSSIAN!

Man I missed that, how true that is

re: #170 KSK

The tenor is that Obama used Berliners as a backdrop for a campaign speech that despite talking about Berlin had really nothing to do with Berlin or Germany, was full of empty phrases and absurd non sequiturs.

It was also noted that Obama's idea that more Europeans should go to Afghanistan so he can slash taxes in the U.S. didn't go down well at all. It's actually a serious diplomatic blunder which U.S. press fails to notice.

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

Deliberately suppresses, more likely.

The US Media's schoolgirl infatuation with Barry is a genuine embarassment, if you ask me.

Thanks for the links, btw. I've also seen some unflattering Media articles on Obama in the British press, too, and not just the "usual conservative suspects", either.

re: #177 solomonpanting

The best line I heard regarding "when I was a kid"...

A Japanese comedienne:

"My mother said when she was a child she had to walk to school in the midst of an atomic bomb."

There is a Monty Python routine with the guys in an a Club talking about how bad it was when they were kids.

'You had gravel? We used to dream about having gravel for breakfast.'

Any Boston lizards remember the Adams and Swett carpet cleaning ad: "How many cookies did Andrew eat? Andrew ate 8,000." Their phone number was Andrew8-8000 (268-8000). I remember this circa 1970.

re: #150 sattv4u2

"satt" -

Sorta. kinda - BOTH. A Woolworth's within walking distance (about a mile) from where I lived, AND another Woolworth's and a Kresge's where I was born - about 8 miles away - along with a "JOHN'S BARGAIN STORE," a/k/a "Cheap John's" for all 'y'all NY/NJ types.

-S-

re: #186 sattv4u2

short answer ,, you're right in a way. it WILL all depend on the middle, and seeing McCain is more middle than Obama, he doesn;'t need to be shored up there. What he does need is help on the right, Lieberman, although I admire him, does NOT help Mccain there

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

re: #178 Mich-again

Jim Jones was a darling of the left at the time for his Marxist ideology. But after the mass suicide of his cult, the same people were happy enough that Jones was painted in the media as some sort of religious fanatic and not a Marxist.

That bit of truth has gotten out and more people are being exposed to that ugly truth.

And for those who chose to "trollrate" my first post at #33 I have this to say:

I did cheer Ronald Reagan when he gave his famous Berlin speech.
I have been actively involved in fighting terror for more than 20 years.
I respect John McCain very much which gives him no right to insult Germans.
I have a son who has served in Bosnia and now in Afghanistan, like I served in the German military and trained in the U.S. to protect Europe.
I reserve myself the right to disagree with a crowd from time to time.

re: #185 chicagodudewhotrades

This country is moving more to the right, not the left. But I do agree that the Center is important

More of a recent development, and not indicative of the movement of the Nation since inception.

re: #179 OldLineTexan

Dairy Queens are still all over down here...real hamburger joints are hard to come by.

There's a Dairy Queen within walking distance of where I live.

There's also a Dairy Queen next to the Heights Theater in Columbia Heights (at the edge of walking distance), both owned by the same guys. You can bring your cones and stuff into the theater.

(Grabbed a cone before the Trip sequence during a recent showing of 2001.)

re: #175 OldLineTexan

You'll appreciate this school story, given your location.

My uncle Garland rode a horse to school in the 20's (Mills County). You are familiar with ice storms. He got caught in one on morning, and when he got to school he and his rain slicker were frozen to the saddle and horse. The teacher had to come out and tear the slicker loose so he could get off the horse. Of course I'm sure he played that up a little, surely he could have broken himself loose. This story was written up in a book on the history of Mills County.

/care?

re: #173 lawhawk

Ah, Crazy Eddies - his prices are insane (helps to explain the bankruptcy, criminal charges.

And other great former electronics chains:

The Wiz... whose tagline was Nobody beats the Wiz (until they did, and it went out of business).

lawhawk -

"The Wiz" - "whizzed out" - Their Parent Company - Cablevision, a/k/a OPTIMUM - is my ISP. Got a couple of bargains when they closed out but not much.

-S-

Maybe perception is everything. If affluent and "educated" liberals, African-Americans and the rest of the world think Obama's election will absolve the US of its past sin of slavery and give humankind a post-modern and post-everything international citizen/president of the world, then maybe - facts be damned - that is what will happen. It's hard to see, however, how the love affair will last when Obama makes his first non-moonbat decisions (witness the dismay among some on the left as he has "moved to center").

Regardless of what reality might be should Obama be elected, and it's still a long road to the White House, the symbolism of and hopes for an Obama presidency that many people hold are completely illogical and absurd.

Obama is not a descendent of slaves. He is the son of a white American mother, whose ancestors once held slaves, and a Muslim Kenyan father, whose ancestors may have been slavetraders.

Yet the whole Obama candidacy is exciting to many because he is the first "black" to run for president and can set aright the racial discord of the past. It boggles the mind. His black roots are those of the son of an immigrant father, who abandoned him and his mother when he was very young. That is all.

All Obama is different from most candidates in the superficial fact that his father and so he has more melanin in his skin than most. In a way, there is a weird racism to left's love of Obama. If it is racist to judge anyone by the race negatively, then it is racist to favor or hold unreasonable hopes for anyone because he happens to be of mixed race.

Obamania is rooted in the irrational. As such, it belongs in the same category as creationism and Islamism. It is a quasi-religious fever with a big dash of celebrity worship. It is crass, illogical, uncritical and unsound.

Where is Obama on the issues? Where is Obama's resume of accomplishment? Who is Obama as a person, not as a symbol? The best answers suggest there is quite little of substance there.

re: #116 Meremortal

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Yes, I could walk to the 7-11, pick up three bottles along the way, and the 6 cents would buy a candy bar. Summertime, and the livin' was easy.

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

re: #192 Van Helsing

There is a Monty Python routine with the guys in an a Club talking about how bad it was when they were kids.

'You had gravel? We used to dream about having gravel for breakfast.'

We were evicted from our hole in the ground.

re: #184 outsidephilly

aahhh, I don't know how to speak Texas, only French :o)

Many of us are bilingual and can converse in American English.

;)

re: #197 KSK

And for those who chose to "trollrate" my first post at #33 I have this to say:

I did cheer Ronald Reagan when he gave his famous Berlin speech.
I have been actively involved in fighting terror for more than 20 years.
I respect John McCain very much which gives him no right to insult Germans.
I have a son who has served in Bosnia and now in Afghanistan, like I served in the German military and trained in the U.S. to protect Europe.
I reserve myself the right to disagree with a crowd from time to time.

I'm sorry..how did McCain insult the german people?

re: #199 The Other Les

My mother worked at a Dairy Queen. When they would screw up a dipped cone they were able to put them in the cooler and take them home after shift.

For the longest time I thought a Dilly Bar was a 'mistake'.

180 outsidephilly

Thank you his doing well. He has been over there for more than a year now and renewed his commitment a month ago. He's not in a "safe zone".

re: #193 neocon hippie

Any Boston lizards remember the Adams and Swett carpet cleaning ad: "How many cookies did Andrew eat? Andrew ate 8,000." Their phone number was Andrew8-8000 (268-8000). I remember this circa 1970.

I lived 30 miles north of Boston for years but I don't remember that one

re: #206 OldLineTexan

Many of us are bilingual and can converse in American English.

;)

LOL

re: #204 Quilly Mammoth

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

Never saw beer in a vending machine, although I remember the cigarettes machines.

re: #25 MandyManners

Just about every time I've flipped past CNN this weekend, a special "Black in America" has been playing.

I noticed that also, once again CNN is trying to start a race riot. I'm sure it will come back in time for the election.

re: #170 KSK

We have seen none of this reported in The States.
/Very interesting (best phony German accent)

re: #177 solomonpanting

The best line I heard regarding "when I was a kid"...

A Japanese comedienne:

"My mother said when she was a child she had to walk to school in the midst of an atomic bomb."

But hearing Japanese complain about the bomb(s) kinda reminds me of Palestinians complaining of checkpoints.

Don't try to enslave all of east Asia and the Pacific, and that crap won't happen.

I realize I'm new here, but for those who are unware, Gallup is one of the many left-leaning polling organizations that does what is called oversampling.
It simply means they ask more dimocrats than republicans and independents, so their results, polls, and conclusions will almost always be skewed in the dimocrats' favor.

re: #213 Maximu§

Wow was that show a bunch of B.S, the only person i liked on it was the guy from the Cosby show calling it all nonsense, spike lee was such a race baiting tool.

Oh yeah spike lee people are so racist because they don't want to bankroll your race baiting movies, please.

re: #212 OldLineTexan

Never saw beer in a vending machine, although I remember the cigarettes machines.

My first pack of smokes was from a vending machine. I was 16. That's a big reason why we don't have ciggies in vending machines anymore.

;^)

re: #204 Quilly Mammoth

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

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Excellent! We had a Gulf station next to the 7-11. We'd pitch pennies at the curb, winner take all.

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change...

Polar bears ARE on their way to extinction...

Save 'em for only 16 bucks a month...WWF

re: #205 Spiny Norman

Thank you, sir! Still laughing!

Since there's a sub-thread re gaws prices, can anyone tell my why gas is measured in 9/10ths of a gallon?

re: #216 chicagodudewhotrades

Any Chicago area Lizards remember Empire carpet commercials? Their number was 588-2300. My dad worked for Channel 32 WFLD (then they were Metromedia ,today now the local Fox station) in the '70s and early 80's. Seems like I grew up with the Empire Carpet guy since Ch-32 seemed to always run their commercials.

Those things are still running in SoCal. I see them on TV daily.

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

As an Info Ops professional, I can say the media is playing a classic cram it down their throats PSYOP campaign on the American viewing public. Most of our voting population doesn't care and only hear snippets of what is going on in the campaign... they receive the input but don't really dwell on it. Their perception, thanks to the media whitewash, is basic: Obama=positive, McCain=negative.

re: #204 Quilly Mammoth

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

Quilly -

Let me give you something more recent. In 1999, I could buy 1 Pound of "Wunderbar" Bologna for $1.69/79, get a "FREE" Pound of Store Brand American Cheese, a 22oz Loaf of Store Brand White Bread for $1.09, and take all of the condiments I wanted at Quick-Check. A Poor Man's feast for $2.69/79! Believe me - going back to Kosher has cost me.

-S-

re: #197 KSK

In general, I support KSK's original point: media coverage of Obama in Germany was nowhere near as positive as it appeared from the United States. The US media is responsible for that.

On the other hand, there are German media reports like this.

re: #195 neverquit

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

Yes, but enough of the voters on the right still have to show up. If McCain keeps ignoring them, they might not.

re: #221 OldLineTexan

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change..

Uh, polar bears can swim.

;-)

Gallup had Kerry ahead 49-45 on 7-23-04.

I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll.

re: #195 neverquit

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

their votea are NOT a lock, Many will stay home in "protest" that nobody (i.e.McCain) represents them

re: #221 OldLineTexan

I've received 'free' calendars and return address stickers from the World Wildlife Fund (I think).

Lotta damn paper they send out in the hopes of getting a contribution.

re: #219 Spiny Norman

My first pack of smokes was from a vending machine. I was 16. That's a big reason why we don't have ciggies in vending machines anymore.

;^)

The last ciggie vending machine I remember seeing was in the Enlisted Club at NTC Orlando back in '87. Also saw Molly Hatchet play there once.

Gotta Scoot, Lizards

Thanks for the memories all !

re: #230 Silhouette

Uh, polar bears can swim.

;-)

Somebody tell the WWF.

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

I'm sorry you feel it translated into bootlicking..
I'm sure that baby jesus only supports toe licking..Will email Michelle and get back with you...
/

re: #221 OldLineTexan

Well, if ya wait long enough, eventually all life on earth will go extinct... so technically, they aren't lying.

How fucking stupid can we get? If this dipshit is so great, then elect him. I give up.

I'm beginning to see more Obama (I prefer ZerObama) bumper stickers around here. And some of these are cars parked in up-scale neighborhoods. I'm talking $2-$4 million properties. Kind of a disconnect going on.

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't look to the government give them stuff.)

re: #236 OldLineTexan

Somebody tell the WWF.

I'm just trying to figure out why those wrestlers even care!

KSK (#170),

Thanks for the links.

The tenor is that Obama used Berliners as a backdrop for a campaign speech that despite talking about Berlin had really nothing to do with Berlin or Germany, was full of empty phrases and absurd non sequiturs.

That's pretty much the critical analysis here as well.

It was also noted that Obama's idea that more Europeans should go to Afghanistan so he can slash taxes in the U.S. didn't go down well at all. It's actually a serious diplomatic blunder which U.S. press fails to notice.

The US press studiously "fails" to notice Obama's reoccurring blunders on a regular basis.

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

Good at you and thanks to your son.

And yes, "You go so it won't cost us as much" is pretty daft.

Obama hasn't gotten a 9 point bounce on the Gallup Poll.

Obama was up 47 to 41 on July 20th. Then he came back down to 45 to 43 on July 23rd. He's inched back up to 47-41, 48-41 and now 49-40 in the last three days.

It's a little bounce or an outlier that goes only slightly above the range that he's already been in for awhile.

The polls were even on June 24, 25 and 26 (45-45, 44-44, and 44-44) but other than that, they've been running between Obama being one point ahead and six points ahead (back and forth and in between.)

So if he has a bounce, it's roughly a 2 point bounce on the Gallup Poll.

I don't think Obama will win. He scores high as the "riskiest" candidate in this election and I think he will end up revealing himself to be even riskier as the next few months go on.

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

So, for me, your issue is merely of translation?, and not meaning.

In my understanding of the context for "fawning" in this instance can be understood as "wooing for self interest". Equally insulting to me, we call it "ass kissing" or "brown nosing".....

Seem to be a little thin skinned......

re: #239 kansas

How fucking stupid can we get? If this dipshit is so great, then elect him. I give up.

You believe these polls?

re: #238 stevieray

Well, if ya wait long enough, eventually all life on earth will go extinct... so technically, they aren't lying.

I can only type so much...they actually claimed that the polar bears would all be extinct by the time "your children grow up", or something remarkably similar.

re: #83 outsidephilly

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

Feh. I have pictures with me in them at 19 cents. Trying to find them for a contest in the Albany Times Union.

Krucschev's famous words are coming true:

"We will Barry you!"

re: #246 OldLineTexan

I can only type so much...they actually claimed that the polar bears would all be extinct by the time "your children grow up", or something remarkably similar.

They also fail to mention that they are viscous creatures.

re: #229 astronmr20

Yes, but enough of the voters on the right still have to show up. If McCain keeps ignoring them, they might not.

Just mho - The alternative is too frightening for them. They will vote.

re: #225 KSK

I have no idea what the correct translation would be, but "fawning" is a much softer word in English than "bootlicking", or even "servile".

You can describe someone as fawning over a movie star, say, but if you say they were bootlicking, there's likely to be trouble.

My impression of the people I saw in pictures (der Spiegel?)from Germany was that they were "fawning" as I understand the word.

Certrainly the report from the gym was fawning in anyone's book.

re: #248 gearhead

Krucschev's famous words are coming true:

"We will Barry you!"

Ohhhhh..

THAT'S what he meant.

re: #209 KSK

180 outsidephilly

Thank you his doing well. He has been over there for more than a year now and renewed his commitment a month ago. He's not in a "safe zone".

Would you give us/me frequent updates on him? It is an honor to 'speak' with a parent of a child who is taking care of business for America! God, bless our military!

re: #197 KSK

And for those who chose to "trollrate" my first post at #33 I have this to say:

I did cheer Ronald Reagan when he gave his famous Berlin speech.
I have been actively involved in fighting terror for more than 20 years.
I respect John McCain very much which gives him no right to insult Germans.
I have a son who has served in Bosnia and now in Afghanistan, like I served in the German military and trained in the U.S. to protect Europe.
I reserve myself the right to disagree with a crowd from time to time.

Yes you do so did you protest Obama?
and thank you for your and your sons service, really

re: #230 Silhouette

Uh, polar bears can swim.

;-)

The worst that will happen is the Polar Bear will evolve into a brown-coated bear.
Oh crap! I used the "E" word.

/go fish

That's it! Where is reine.de.tout? She must immediately pass a law banning all TV sets from the land, hereupon, tout de suite, now and forevermore.

I'm off to bed, to sleep, perchance to dream of a land without sound bites and a people not easily ensnared by a pretty face and parseltongue.

228 thelongblogger

Of course you find articles like this, especially in the taz, Germany's most leftist mainstream paper. But even in this paper other articles have criticized the hype or mocked it.

re: #240 IslandLibertarian

never got the bumper sticker thing going on in the US.

In canada people don't ever put election stickers on cars, never seen it once.

re: #248 gearhead

Had to give that an upding.
It was so obvious, it plumb evaded me.
Jimmy Buffett on the stereo...

re: #249 astronmr20

They also fail to mention that they are viscous creatures.

Polar bears are not thick and slimy!

/spellchecker ain't always right!

re: #249 astronmr20

They also fail to mention that they are viscous creatures.

and they're vicious too. :>

re: #212 OldLineTexan

Never saw beer in a vending machine, although I remember the cigarettes machines.

We had them in the Marines and Navy, OLT. Beer was 35 cents a can, unless you wanted Moosehead, which was 50 cents.

re: #248 gearhead

Krucschev's famous words are coming true:

"We will Barry you!"

gearhead -

"ROTFLMAO!"

-S-