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Gallup Poll: Obama 9 Points Ahead

Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 5:48:03 pm PDT

The latest Gallup poll shows a significant “bounce” for Barack Obama following his Pseudo-Presidential World Tour: Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 40%.

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1 Opilio  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:48:51pm

Anyone know how well Kerry or Gore were doing in the polls in July?

2 mossley  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:49:41pm

Why do people waste so much time on these polls? The media seems more interested in creating the news than reporting it. These polls don't exactly have a great track record for being good indicators of actual poll results, but the media promotes the hell out of them when they say what they want to hear.

3 Wyatt Earp  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:50:37pm

See, everyone? It apparently pays to bad-mouth and sell out your country.

4 sbvft contributor  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:51:01pm

Outlier. Still early lizards. I heard Carter was up 25 points over Ronaldus Maximus in June 1980.

5 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:51:05pm

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

6 Zach_the_Lizard  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:51:38pm

49 to 40? I would hope that the other 11 percent just didn't feel like saying "John McCain" because they had a bad day.

7 Donbmcd  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:52:23pm

(sigh) PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, I COME NOT TO TRASH MY COUNTRY, BUT TO BE THE TURE WORLD LEADER THAT IS MY RIGHT.

And now he is up inthe polls.

8 Perplexed  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:52:59pm

Fantasy, until election day.

9 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:53:26pm

re: #1 Opilio

Anyone know how well Kerry or Gore were doing in the polls in July?

no, but both were ahead on election day 2000 and 2004 !

10 cicadajoe  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:53:46pm

The only relevant statistic:

Obama has a 0% chance of winning the Presidency.

I would stake my life on it.

11 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:53:58pm

re: #5 Mich-again

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

I hate vending machine coffee.

12 Thanos  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:54:10pm

The bounce the O campaign expected from the trip doesn't match reality and it will fade. It's actually less than I would expect considering he sucked up all headlines for four days, and McCain got little to zero press. His trip fell flat.

13 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:54:19pm

re: #9 sattv4u2

no, but both were ahead on election day 2000 and 2004 !

ROTFLMAO

14 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:55:01pm

re: #5 Mich-again

re: #11 The Other Les

I hate vending machine coffee.

hell ,,, it's been YEARS since i've seen ANYTHING in a vending machine for $.50

15 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:18pm

re: #2 mossley

Why do people waste so much time on these polls? The media seems more interested in creating the news than reporting it. These polls don't exactly have a great track record for being good indicators of actual poll results, but the media promotes the hell out of them when they say what they want to hear.

It's supposed to discourage us heathens from going to the real polls in November.

It also gives the rabble something to be angry about when their Messiah loses.

16 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:24pm
17 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:32pm

re: #10 cicadajoe

I would stake my life on it.

You are, so am I...we all are!

18 ypnxjkb  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:36pm

Yeah, now we will get a true patriot,defender of the weak, healer of the sick, champion of the downtrodden and destitute and Savior of the Universe Barry O'bama.
(TIC)

19 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:40pm

Note to World: You don't get to vote. So Frak You!

20 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:40pm

re: #13 Dizzy26

ROTFLMAO

thank you thank you. I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress

21 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:56:42pm

re: #5 Mich-again

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

Coffee's .75, now.

22 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:57:40pm

re: #20 sattv4u2

thank you thank you. I'm here all week. Don't forget to tip your waitress

ok

23 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:57:47pm

There is no way Obama is going to win. Using my moonbat family as a compass with 14 out of 16 that should be voting Obama but my latest poll has McCain at 14 out of 16, Massachusetts moonbats.

24 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:57:49pm

This seems an outlier from the trend of the last few weeks, see The Belmont Club's recent entry on the polls. Some bounce after the relentless media cheering is expected but Obama even sounded like he was trying to downplay the impact of it. Sounds to me like he was hoping for a big response he did not get.

25 MandyManners  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:58:02pm

Just about every time I've flipped past CNN this weekend, a special "Black in America" has been playing.

26 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:58:06pm

Gallup Poll: Obama 9 Points Ahead

QUESTION, Was this a poll of people in the USA , or CITIZENS OF THE WORLD?

27 Kyle_st  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:58:31pm

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

28 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:59:13pm

re: #5 Mich-again

That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

Here is a dime. Call your Mother.

29 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:59:54pm

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

I had to ding you down for that and you need a slap in the face to wake you up

30 MJ  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 5:59:55pm

Obama on Meet the Press:

"With the topic of conversation remaining on the Middle East, Obama stressed the importance of finalizing a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, as a key to building international support for the renewed efforts in Afghanistan.


Such a diplomatic coup would not only restore U.S. credibility in the region, he said, but also would diffuse Iran’s influence there. Obama said that in a meeting with King Abdullah of Jordan, he had promised close supervision and immediate support from a potential Obama administration."

Translation:
Israel is responsible for the fact the Taliban are in Afghanistan and the international community will not help us until we squeeze the life out of the Jews. See, Israel is responsible for all the evil in the world.

Change you can believe in.


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

31 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:00:09pm

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

Way to be a bright light of optimism there, Kyle. Will you please come to funeral home and yuk it up there too?

32 seekeroftruth  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:00:30pm

re: #16 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you for your post on Larry Lessig/anti copyright laws a few thread down. Much appreciated.

33 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:00:55pm

I'm not amused about McCain insulting Germans.
Calling them "fawning" doesn't exactly show a lot of style in foreign policy.

It's also not correct. If you read German press you'd see that Obama does receive friendly praise but also a lot of criticism.

And the German crowd in Berlin was not fawning either. I have watched carefully. Those who were stood close to Obama and were mostly Americans.

We do not appreciate to be insulted. Thank you for your attention.

34 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:01:14pm

re: #28 lifeofthemind

Here is a dime. Call your Mother.

A phone call is fifty cents now.

35 sbvft contributor  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:01:31pm

I say good. Let the liberals be lulled into a false sense of security over BHO's poll numbers. Anyways McCain is at his best when all looks lost.

36 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:02:27pm

re: #21 Noam Sayin'

Coffee's .75, now.

Apparently the corporation I work for isn't so greedy. We still pay 50 cents.

37 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:02:34pm

Dead cat bounce?

I looked at their "poll data" and it provides only that they hit registered voters. 2,692 of them.

No breakdown as to political affiliation.

Nothing.

Rasmussen has a 5 point spread and they note that it was a modest bounce at best. AKA dead cat bounce.

In other words, nothing to write home about in any language.

38 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:02:45pm

4 years ago, worried as hell about the up-coming election, I found and joined lgf.
It has taken me 4 years to be very afraid again, and I just now, today, figured out how to ; post, reply, respond, up-ping, etc...

(Never been accused of being overly technical, (or bright come to think of it.)
Oh well, I tipped ya!

39 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:02:53pm

Gallup measure is registered voters, not likely voters. Given the Dems ability to register every wino, felon and projects resident I think one can safely shave a few points off these results.

But he sure does make a dandy looking Pres don't he?

40 Zach_the_Lizard  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:02:56pm

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama White Whorehouse, please stop.

Fixed it for you.

41 parisparamus  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:02:57pm

McCain needs to rev up. He needs to chose a running mate. Once again, Romney is the best gambit. Unless, of course, you are one of those idiots who voted for Paul or the Huckster.

42 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:03:16pm

re: #36 Mich-again

Apparently the corporation I work for isn't so greedy. We still pay 50 cents.

But you have to bring your own cup ,,,,,,, and water ,,,,,,, and coffee grounds !

43 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:03:27pm

As far as I can tell no one from Gallup ever polls the philly suburbs. Has Gallup approach any of you?

44 Purple Prose  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:03:31pm

July 26, 1988:

Fifty-five percent of the 948 registered voters interviewed in the poll said they preferred to see Mr. Dukakis win the 1988 Presidential election, while 38 percent said they preferred to see Mr. Bush win. The poll had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points.

This represented a shift in Mr. Dukakis's lead from the 47 percent to 41 percent advantage he held in the last pre-convention Gallup Poll, taken by telephone July 8-10. In that poll, 1,001 registered voters were interviewed.

Nominees usually enjoy a lift in the polls after the nomination. Ed Slaughter, project director at Gallup, pointed out that in 1984, Walter Mondale's standing rose 12 points after the Democratic convention that year. But the improved standing dissipated within ten days, Mr. Slaughter said.

Another poll, conducted in Texas, also showed Mr. Dukakis gaining ground from the convention. The survey of 504 registered voters likely to cast ballots, conducted on Friday and Saturday by Peter Hart, a Democratic poll taker, showed Mr. Dukakis leading Mr. Bush by 50 percent to 40 percent. A survey of that size has a sampling error of plus or minus four percentage points. A Hart survey of 265 such voters for The Chicago Tribune from July 5 to 9 had shown the race even in Texas - 46 percent for Mr. Dukakis, 46 percent for Mr. Bush, with a sampling error of plus or minus six percentage points.

[Link: query.nytimes.com...]

45 bp sf  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:04:21pm

#33

You're right. Instead of "fawning", perhaps "drunk, deluded, and dickless" would have been a better assessment of today's German.

46 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:04:25pm

re: #28 lifeofthemind

Here is a dime. Call your Mother.

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?

47 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:04:47pm

KSK (#33),

Well we don't read German press, maybe you could link some of these critical articles?

48 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:05:00pm

OK Everyone -

#1. What was the SAMPLING BASIS.

#2. 32 Years Ago - "My Guy" - Jimmy Carter was "UP" 20+ Per Cent.

#3. 20 Years Ago - "Pres. Dukakis" was "UP" in the mid/high Teens Per Cent.

#4. Sen. McCain hasn't run a terribly good campaign to date. Seems like he IS getting a clue lately.

#5. The November 2008 Election is about 100 Days away - stuff can change.

Go from there.

-S-

49 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:05:05pm
50 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:05:38pm

A couple weeks ago the LAT said Obama was up by 15. Polls are becoming useless. I look a lot more at prediction market results. First, I think Obama's numbers are BS because frankly, I think a lot of folks tell the pollster they will vote for Obama not to sound racist. Second , This poll result is just slightly above the margin of error. most polls in the last couple months are within the margin of error. Fine, he may have gotten some bounce from the trip. Within a week, the poll numbers will be back to within the margin of error. Then the democratic clown car/3-ring circus called the Democratic national convention will roll into Denver. I hate to be pessimistic, I wish for no bad news in any American city. But when you have a group called "Recreate '68' coming to town, do you really think there won't be some type of trouble going down? Even if nothing happens outside, I still think Hillary will go Brutus on Obama and really throw a monkey wrench into the Coronation, er, excuse me, nomination of God, er, excuse me, Obama. If that happens, say goodbye to the Dem party. If Obama gets the nomination, say hello to the modern Mcgovern. If hillary takes the nomination away, the Dems can say goodbye to the African-American community for decades. Either way, John McCain is the next POTUS.

51 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:06:08pm

re: #33 KSK

I'm not amused about McCain insulting Germans.
Calling them "fawning" doesn't exactly show a lot of style in foreign policy.

It's also not correct. If you read German press you'd see that Obama does receive friendly praise but also a lot of criticism.

And the German crowd in Berlin was not fawning either. I have watched carefully. Those who were stood close to Obama and were mostly Americans.

We do not appreciate to be insulted. Thank you for your attention.

I don't get why he was there in the first place and if it was not for America you would be speaking German right now,,,, well some other people would be.

52 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:06:19pm

re: #46 Mich-again

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

53 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:06:42pm

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

Ah, okay, now, go back to sleep.

54 Perplexed  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:06:50pm

re: #33 KSK

You're correct. Most of the Germans in attendance were there for the beer and bratwurst.

55 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:06:56pm

re: #30 MJ

Obama on Meet the Press:

"With the topic of conversation remaining on the Middle East, Obama stressed the importance of finalizing a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, as a key to building international support for the renewed efforts in Afghanistan.


Such a diplomatic coup would not only restore U.S. credibility in the region, he said, but also would diffuse Iran’s influence there. Obama said that in a meeting with King Abdullah of Jordan, he had promised close supervision and immediate support from a potential Obama administration."

Translation:
Israel is responsible for the fact the Taliban are in Afghanistan and the international community will not help us until we squeeze the life out of the Jews. See, Israel is responsible for all the evil in the world.

Change you can believe in.


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Abdullah of Jordan has gotten a pass for blatantly obstructionist and confrontational acts. The reason is the legacy of the affection felt for his father the late King Hussein. The Father secretly worked with the Israelis, took courageous action against the Palestinian terrorists at the time of Black September and remembered how his Grandfather was murdered on the Temple Mount by the fascist thugs. He also remembered that the Saudis are the ignorant savages who kicked his family out of their rightful place, in Hashemite tradition, as rulers of Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is an accomodationist to the radical fringe. He was Saddam's toady.

56 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:06:59pm

This is bad news for America. After pretty clearly showing that he is an empty suit Barry should not have gotten this sort of bounce.

57 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:07:33pm

re: #45 bp sf

#33

You're right. Instead of "fawning", perhaps "drunk, deluded, and dickless" would have been a better assessment of today's German.

They are either at your feet or at your throat.

(BHO's feet, our throats.)

58 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:07:40pm

re: #34 The Other Les

A phone call is fifty cents now.

That was my point.

59 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:07:47pm

re: #50 chicagodudewhotrades

"cdwt" -

Like - "DUH" That is all for now, and quite enough.

-S-

60 cybermonk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:07:57pm

re: #46 Mich-again

You have a pay phone? Haven't seen a working one in years. they are rapidly disappearing.

pay phones are SOOOOO 20th Century.

61 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:08:18pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

62 x-wing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:08:24pm

re: #45 bp sf

My thoughts exactly. Plus 1 for you.

63 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:08:25pm
64 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:08:30pm

re: #46 Mich-again

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?

Not quite that far back. Phone calls could be places for a dime back in the seventies.

65 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:09:44pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

"satt" -

AND - I remember 5 cent Public Phones in New Orleans, LA - they were FEW and FAR BETWEEN.

-S-

66 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:09:57pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

I remember that and I'm not that old.

67 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:10:03pm

re: #46 Mich-again

You must be a young-n. pb10

68 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:10:08pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

DAMN, I'm old !

Elizabeth ,, I'm Comin',, This is the big one

heh heh
I'm older.

I remember when every 'name' business with a phone, made it
a 'courtesy phone', later charging a nickel.

69 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:10:27pm

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

70 Opilio  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:10:27pm

re: #52 sattv4u2

gggrrrrr ,, I remember 10 cent phone BOOTHS (actual booths) with rotary dial phones ,, and penny candy that you could get for *(GASP) a PENNY

How about pinball machines - 10¢ a game, 3 for 25¢   Good times.

71 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:10:41pm

re: #37 lawhawk

Dead cat bounce?

I looked at their "poll data" and it provides only that they hit registered voters. 2,692 of them.

No breakdown as to political affiliation.

Nothing.

In other words, nothing to write home about in any language.

I tried to find the political affiliation breakdown and couldn't. I would think they would report that.

72 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:11:02pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

DRAKE

73 kahall  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:11:13pm

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

I do not go that far back but I had some relatives with a party line. They would answer their phone based on how many times it rang or something like that.

74 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:11:40pm

re: #55 lifeofthemind

Abdullah of Jordan has gotten a pass for blatantly obstructionist and confrontational acts. The reason is the legacy of the affection felt for his father the late King Hussein. The Father secretly worked with the Israelis, took courageous action against the Palestinian terrorists at the time of Black September and remembered how his Grandfather was murdered on the Temple Mount by the fascist thugs. He also remembered that the Saudis are the ignorant savages who kicked his family out of their rightful place, in Hashemite tradition, as rulers of Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is an accomodationist to the radical fringe. He was Saddam's toady.

He's a Trekkie.

75 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:12:23pm

My folks are loyal AARPublicans. But if the Gallup pollsters ever called them they wouldn't give them the time o' day. Not everyone is willing to answer questions to strangers on the phone, particularly the elderly who don't care much for talking on the phone in the first place.

76 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:12:26pm

re: #68 Dizzy26

heh heh
I'm older.

I remember when every 'name' business with a phone, made it
a 'courtesy phone', later charging a nickel.


I remember when phone numbers started with letters, like LU 3.4860

77 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:12:42pm

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

And before that, I remember PARTY LINES. Having a "private line" was a really big deal. And instead of a numerical prefix, there used an "exchange". It wasn't 443-xxxx, it was "Hillcrest" 3-xxxx.

78 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:12:54pm

re: #70 Opilio

How about pinball machines - 10¢ a game, 3 for 25¢   Good times.

Oh yes.

79 Meremortal  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:13:04pm

The more the "cam-pain" wears on more I am convinced that Obama is to politics what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

80 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:13:18pm

Kerry Gore Gallup; 2004

81 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:13:30pm

I remember when my uncle bought the 1st TV any family member had. We would actually WATCH the TEST PATTERN, just because A) there wasn't much more on, and B) we were so amazed at the technology itself!

82 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:13:32pm

re: #61 BBev

I remember only having to dial 4 numbers for a local call,

Shoot, I remember that... and I ain't that old. Where I grew up (Big Bear Lake, CA), you only needed 5 numbers (a 5 or a 6 + the four) to make a local call as late as the mid 1980s.

83 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:13:48pm

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

84 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:13:57pm

re: #75 Mich-again

My folks are loyal AARPublicans. But if the Gallup pollsters ever called them they wouldn't give them the time o' day. Not everyone is willing to answer questions to strangers on the phone, particularly the elderly who don't care much for talking on the phone in the first place.

I got rid of my home phone last year and cell phone now, only calls I was getting on the home phone was the Obama campaign

85 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:14:02pm

re: #76 outsidephilly

see my #72

86 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:14:04pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

Weird. My first phone number was in a DUnkirk exchange. But only the DU stood for numbers.

87 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:14:10pm

re: #80 Egfrow

Kerry Gore Gallup; 2004


This was supposed to read Kerry vs Bush 2004

88 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:14:15pm

So how long before Sen. Obama pronounces "I believe it is peace for our time." and how long after that do we get attacked?

89 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:14:17pm

reine.de.tout (#71),

I tried to find the political affiliation breakdown and couldn't. I would think they would report that.

Yes you would think that since the very nature of reliable statistics has to do with the sampling data.

90 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:14:58pm

re: #74 The Other Les

He's a Trekkie.

My error, the first King Abdullah of Jordan was the present Abdullah's Great-Grandfather.

91 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:15:02pm

re: #79 Meremortal

The more the "cam-pain" wears on more I am convinced that Obama is to politics what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

Let's all pitch in for a case of grape flavor-aid.

92 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:15:15pm

re: #76 outsidephilly

I remember when phone numbers started with letters, like LU 3.4860

OOOPPS ,,, my #69 (responded too in 72)

93 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:15:16pm

All McCain has to do is get the Messiah off script in a debate just once. It's over.

94 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:15:47pm

Anyone know what the Gallup poll showed before the Obama Tour?

95 Opilio  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:15:58pm

re: #83 outsidephilly

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

lowest I can remember is $0.299

96 kahall  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:03pm

So I see Obama is ahead in the poll. Enjoy it now, soon you will only be known as the loser.

97 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:16pm

re: #94 Van Helsing

Anyone know what the Gallup poll showed before the Obama Tour?

Apparently 9 points less than now.

98 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:30pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798


In Buffalo, (heaven help me) Mine was PA(rkside)-3929....
(In the 40's)

99 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:31pm

re: #37 lawhawk

Dead cat bounce?

I looked at their "poll data" and it provides only that they hit registered voters. 2,692 of them.

No breakdown as to political affiliation.

Nothing.

Rasmussen has a 5 point spread and they note that it was a modest bounce at best. AKA dead cat bounce.

In other words, nothing to write home about in any language.

I'd say the breakdown looks like this.

40% - Old White guys
40% - Democrats
9% - Republicans tired of being called racist.
11% - Ron Paul

100 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:37pm

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

101 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:39pm

yeah and according to the MSM kerry was supposed to win also.

102 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:16:54pm

re: #93 Egfrow

All McCain has to do is get the Messiah off script in a debate just once. It's over.

you mean "uh,,, umm,,, err,, well,,, we will ,, ummm,,, errr,,, what I ,,, ummm,,,, change ,,, ahhh ,,,,, errrr,, welll,,, hope ,,,,, ummm" won't go over well ?

103 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:17:03pm

re: #82 Spiny Norman

Shoot, I remember that... and I ain't that old. Where I grew up (Big Bear Lake, CA), you only needed 5 numbers (a 5 or a 6 + the four) to make a local call as late as the mid 1980s.

Yes 5 numbers was the very early 80's but 4 was the 60's and 70's

104 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:17:07pm

I remember being pissed off when candy bars went from 5¢ to 10¢. It was a big deal because I used to collect returnable bottles for the deposit and exchange them for Milky Ways or M&Ms.

105 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:17:28pm

re: #94 Van Helsing

Never mind.

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

Lazy bastard...

106 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:17:36pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

me too,,, and the 1st three had a "name" I remember my phone number when I was a kid in Everett

DUNkirk-4798

"satt" -

I remember "LI(berty) 8" as a pre-area code exchange. Dialing only 4 numbers for a local line is Before My Time. Actually, had the Phone Company(s) been able to Physically/Electrically Keep Alpha-Numeric Exchanges, we would not need as many area codes as there are 26 LETTERS in the English Alphabet - and ONLY 10 WHOLE NUMERALS. Food for thought there.

-S-

107 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:17:38pm

re: #79 Meremortal

The more the "cam-pain" wears on more I am convinced that Obama is to politics what Jim Jones was to Christianity.

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

108 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:18:52pm

re: #100 solomonpanting

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

movie theater in my town ,,,, 25 cents,,,,, 4-5 cartoons,, 2 full movies ,,,, give-aways between flicks (china,, glasses ,,, ect )

HEY ,, GAS stations used to give away drinking glasses also!

109 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:18:59pm

re: #95 Opilio

lowest I can remember is $0.299


ya got me there . . . , either way, gas used to be so cheap we would spend our hanging-out time just drivin' around philly - or drag racing down Darin Avenue.

110 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:19:07pm

re: #70 Opilio

im only 26 and they used to have acutal penny candy at 7/11 when i was little

111 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:19:19pm

Gore vs Bush Gallup Poll July 2000

112 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:19:21pm

re: #77 reine.de.tout

"Queenie" -

For some reason - I DO REMEMBER "Party Lines." Was NO PARTY if all 'y'all had one.

-S-

113 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:19:27pm

re: #100 solomonpanting

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

OK you are older then me by a long shot.

114 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:19:31pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

movie theater in my town ,,,, 25 cents,,,,, 4-5 cartoons,, 2 full movies ,,,, give-aways between flicks (china,, glasses ,,, ect )

HEY ,, GAS stations used to give away drinking glasses also!

S&H Greenstamps.

115 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:19:42pm

re: #93 Egfrow

All McCain has to do is get the Messiah off script in a debate just once. It's over.

He said today he is committed to "three vigorous debates". Three, count 'em. He made it clear there will be no town hall type events. He "has already been in a lot of debates and the people get tired of them" - paraphrasing.

He is chicken.

116 Meremortal  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:20:02pm

re: #104 Spiny Norman

I remember being pissed off when candy bars went from 5¢ to 10¢. It was a big deal because I used to collect returnable bottles for the deposit and exchange them for Milky Ways or M&Ms.

---

Yes, I could walk to the 7-11, pick up three bottles along the way, and the 6 cents would buy a candy bar. Summertime, and the livin' was easy.

117 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:20:31pm

re: #108 sattv4u2

Yeah. Movies were double features and the cartoons were a great diversion.

118 Meremortal  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:20:35pm

re: #107 Mich-again

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

------------

That's interesting, thanks.

119 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:20:44pm

re: #95 Opilio

lowest I can remember is $0.299

Me, too. But I was too young to drive.

120 Airedale  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:20:44pm

polls don't lie.
don't try to steal the opinion poll taken in november.

121 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:20:52pm

re: #103 BBev

Yes 5 numbers was the very early 80's but 4 was the 60's and 70's

When I was in Jr High in the early 70s, we needed 5 numbers, but apparently the second exchange was quite new then.

122 MJ  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:21:21pm

re: #55 lifeofthemind

Abdullah of Jordan has gotten a pass for blatantly obstructionist and confrontational acts. The reason is the legacy of the affection felt for his father the late King Hussein. The Father secretly worked with the Israelis, took courageous action against the Palestinian terrorists at the time of Black September and remembered how his Grandfather was murdered on the Temple Mount by the fascist thugs. He also remembered that the Saudis are the ignorant savages who kicked his family out of their rightful place, in Hashemite tradition, as rulers of Mecca and Medina. Abdullah is an accomodationist to the radical fringe. He was Saddam's toady.

Even worse.
What the press isn't saying because they're in the Obama protection racket, is that Abdullah is feeding Obama the nonsense that the biggest threat to the Middle East isn't Iran but the Arab/Israeli conflict. It's bullshit but feeds into the Left's perception of the Middle East. Here's the passage from Meet the Press:

And, and one thing I want to pick up on, because I think King, King Abdullah is as savvy a analyst of the region and player in the region as, as there is, one of the points that he made and I think a lot of people made, is that we've got to have an overarching strategy recognizing that all these issues are connected. If we can solve the Israeli/Palestinian process, then that will make it easier for Arab states and the Gulf states to support us when it comes to issues like Iraq and Afghanistan.

It will also weaken Iran, which has been using Hamas and Hezbollah as a way to stir up mischief in the region. If we've gotten an Israeli/Palestinian peace deal, maybe at the same time peeling Syria out of the Iranian orbit, that makes it easier to isolate Iran so that they have a tougher time developing a nuclear weapon.


[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

123 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:21:42pm

re: #114 Van Helsing

S&H Greenstamps.


. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

124 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:21:50pm

re: #114 Van Helsing

S&H Greenstamps.

Heh. I think my mom still has a couple of Green Stamps books squirreled away somewhere.

125 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:21:52pm

re: #100 solomonpanting

The cheapest gasoline I recall was 19.9 cents, the movie theatre was 35 cents and candy bars were a dime.

Was there much snow when you walked uphill (both ways) to school?

/

126 Meremortal  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:21:56pm

re: #91 The Other Les

Let's all pitch in for a case of grape flavor-aid.


-------

I guess that's where the saying about "drinking the kool-aid" came from, huh?

127 Dizzy26  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:00pm

This morning I posted an -OT- , just for me.
Now I'll repost it for anyone that might need to see it

.#79 Dizzy26 :: Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:37:57 am
an OT just for me
21 years ago today, I oiled, loaded & cocked a Browning, Belgium made .380 automatic, took a mouthful of KESSLERS, stuck the muzzle in my mouth, asked G-d to forgive me, and pulled the trigger.

apparently HE did.

On Sept. 26th, I will celebrate 21 years of sobriety

No comments needed...

128 TheBull271  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:05pm

Here is a email from a guy I know in Afghanistan who was there when Obama visited last week.
Hello everyone,
> As you know I am not a very political person.
> I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'.

> I wanted to share with you what happened.
> He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

>
> As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General.

> As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball.

> He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.
>
> So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President.
> I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

>
> I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States.

> I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief.
> It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.
>
> If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is.

> What you see in the news is all fake.
>
> In service,
> CPT Jeffrey S.
> Battle Captain
> TF Wasatch
> American Soldier

129 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:15pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

re: #11 The Other Les


hell ,,, it's been YEARS since i've seen ANYTHING in a vending machine for $.50


you beat me to the punch :}

130 neocon hippie  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:16pm

re: #23 BBev

There is no way Obama is going to win. Using my moonbat family as a compass with 14 out of 16 that should be voting Obama but my latest poll has McCain at 14 out of 16, Massachusetts moonbats.

How do your moonbat family members explain their choice?

131 Opilio  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:23pm

re: #114 Van Helsing

S&H Greenstamps.

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

132 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:34pm

re: #95 Opilio

Yea and cruise most the nite pb10

133 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:38pm

re: #121 Spiny Norman

When I was in Jr High in the early 70s, we needed 5 numbers, but apparently the second exchange was quite new then.

we are about the same age

134 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:50pm

re: #126 Meremortal

-------

I guess that's where the saying about "drinking the kool-aid" came from, huh?

Yes.

135 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:22:53pm

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Was there much snow when you walked uphill (both ways) to school?

/

No too much, but dodging the dinosuars was the challenge!

136 Dirk Diggler  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:23:10pm
The latest Gallup poll shows a significant “bounce” for Barack Obama following his Pseudo-Presidential World Tour: Gallup Daily: Obama 49%, McCain 40%.

Sure. I'll buy those poll results for a dollar.

Lest we forget, pre-election polling had Obama winning New Hampshire by a significant margin. Things didn't quite turn out that way.

137 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:23:31pm

re: #113 BBev

OK you are older then me by a long shot.

Why doesn't that make me feel good?

138 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:23:37pm

re: #124 Spiny Norman

I was just a kid and licking those dang things and sticking them in the books was one of my chores.

How's Dinsdale doing these days?

139 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:23:39pm

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

We have a practically brand new one about 6 miles up the road.

140 Right Brain  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:23:42pm

What's been missing from a discussion of Senator Obamas chances are the "Bradley effect,"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

a polling error named after Tom Bradley, the beloved five-term mayor of Los Angeles who ran for governor of the state of CA, and lost, twice actually, all the while being ahead in the polls. In his case the polls were off 5%, even exit polls were off that much. Basically the theory is non-blacks wish to appear more liberal by supporting the black candidate in public and thus cause errors in polls.

A more severe example of this polling error appeared in the very liberal New York City, when Mayor David Dinkins polled 14 points higher than Rudolph Giuliani, but finished only 2 points ahead. In the second contest, four years later, Giuliani was 9 points behind and won the election.

Senator Obama has yet to poll higher than 49%, not a good sign, as there are 10% more Democrats than Republicans, so he should be higher, and the Bradley effect will be at least 5 points and maybe as many as 12 points as it was in NYC.

141 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:24:00pm

re: #126 Meremortal

-------

I guess that's where the saying about "drinking the kool-aid" came from, huh?

Yep.

142 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:24:13pm

re: #130 neocon hippie

How do your moonbat family members explain their choice?

They may be moonbats but they are not Socialist.

143 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:24:25pm

re: #131 Opilio

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

No idea.

We had Gold Bond stamps in Minnesota. (Bastard bought favorable legislation from the local Donks.)

144 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:24:36pm

re: #95 Opilio

lowest I can remember is $0.299

"O" -

I can remember 26.9 cents/gal. - IN "SOUTH JERSEY" - Meaning Mercer County, a/k/a Trenton Area and further South/West. In North/East NJ it was 5-6 cents higher - including Monmouth County, a/k/a Freehold and the Shore. May not be "Stronger Than Dirt" - Feeling "Older Than Sand."

-S-

145 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:24:59pm

re: #137 solomonpanting

Why doesn't that make me feel good?

Well your as old as you feel and I feel young

146 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:25:10pm

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

Those still exist. I visit three different ones occasionally.

They are wonderful for families with small kids, because they can squirm around, talk out loud, and sleep if they want to.

147 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:25:24pm

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

Well, no, not in July and August in Louisiana.

148 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:25:44pm

re: #131 Opilio

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

Ya got me. I have no clue. Please enlighten.

149 ParisParamus  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:00pm

Frankly, WTF was Obama doing giving a public speech in Germany? He doesn't represent anyone other than his Illinois constituents. Germany/Berlin should be ashamed of itself, and, well, Obama is a narcissistic socialist empty shirt.

150 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:03pm

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 ailes!

151 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:17pm

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

We have a practically brand new one about 6 miles up the road.

I may have to relocate . . .

152 ReneeJoy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:40pm

re: #43 outsidephilly

As far as I can tell no one from Gallup ever polls the philly suburbs. Has Gallup approach any of you?

Nevah. Nor anyone I know for that matter :/

153 Opilio  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:44pm

re: #128 TheBull271

Here is a email from a guy I know in Afghanistan who was there when Obama visited last week.

You really know this guy? There's was a buzz around the blogosphere about that email a couple of days ago regarding its veracity. Don't know how all that turned out.

154 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:48pm

Dizzy26 (#127),

No comments needed...

You've inspired a bit of reflection in all of us I think.

Thanks for that.

155 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:26:52pm

re: #138 Van Helsing

I was just a kid and licking those dang things and sticking them in the books was one of my chores.

How's Dinsdale doing these days?

Not sure. I haven't seen him since I used to chase him around at Fark.com.

;^)

156 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:27:39pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?


My first job (other than a Free Press route) was at a Woolworths. As for Kresge, I was a big fan of the Cherry/Coke Slush.

157 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:28:41pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 ailes!

Not only that, but we had Dairy Queen Ice Cream stands. and really cool Hot Shoppe drive-up hamburger joints

158 TheBull271  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:28:47pm

re: #153 Opilio

You really know this guy? There's was a buzz around the blogosphere about that email a couple of days ago regarding its veracity. Don't know how all that turned out.

Yeah went to school with him

159 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:29:01pm

re: #154 Geepers

Dizzy26 (#127),


You've inspired a bit of reflection in all of us I think.

Thanks for that.

I'll second that. I've got 2 family members that weren't so blessed.
Treasure your life.

160 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:29:02pm

re: #131 Opilio

Pop quiz: What did the S and H stand for in S&H Greenstamps? No googling...

Opillio -

Sperry and Hutchinson - Their Area Warehouse where I lived was on NJ Rt. 27 North in Edison, NJ - Just south of the Metuchen - Edison town line.
CRAZY EDDIE Antar took over the building as his Corporate HQ over until he had to go on "the lam." Antar, by the way is a free man today and living a couple of mile North of me.

-S-

161 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:29:16pm

The main reason Obama as a bump is because McCain was ignored by the MSM while they chased around with Barry.

162 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:29:45pm

re: #107 Mich-again

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

They tried to create their perfect utopia out of the jungle through back breaking work and physical abuse. The People's Church was clearly a blue print for a Marxist Town. Too bad so many people that didn't want to die were forced to die by the enthusiastic followers. Jim Jones died of a gun shot wound.

When members apparently cried, Jones counseled "Stop this hysterics. This is not the way for people who are Socialists or Communists to die. No way for us to die. We must die with some dignity."--Jim Jones

163 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:30:23pm

Obama says he's becoming competitive in red states

Ya right and I have a bridge to sell ya.

164 Opilio  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:30:38pm

re: #144 Dr. Shalit

"O" -

I May not be "Stronger Than Dirt"
-S-

I associate that phrase with "Ajax laundry detergent". I'm glad I'm carrying that useful piece of information around.

165 Egfrow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:30:39pm

The Poll will also give a boost of confidence to the MSM that makes the believe that they have the absolute power to pick the Candidate and the next President.

166 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:30:40pm

I'm waiting for that answer, Opilio...
Don't make me look it up...

167 jcw46  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:30:50pm

re: #51 BBev

I don't get why he was there in the first place and if it was not for America you would be speaking German right now,,,, well some other people would be.

If not for America he would be speaking RUSSIAN!

168 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:30:56pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 isles!

Yep. There was a Woolworth's within walking distance when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade (before we moved to Big Bear), and it had a lunch counter.

They still have them in Australia, oddly enough.

169 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:31:19pm

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

was that really THE Crazy Eddie on the ads, or was that an actor?

170 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:31:34pm

Examples for critical German articles about Obama

[Link: www.zeit.de...] (Centrist major weekly paper criticizing Obama's arrogance)
[Link: blogs.taz.de...] (leftist paper mocking the Obamania)
[Link: www.welt.de...] (Conservative paper mocking the emptyness of the speech)

Since I didn't bookmark what I read it'll take more than a few minutes to find them but in the last 2 days I have read a lot of very critical assessments of the speech and the mania surrounding Obama. Same goes for German TV with rather nuanced discussions.

The tenor is that Obama used Berliners as a backdrop for a campaign speech that despite talking about Berlin had really nothing to do with Berlin or Germany, was full of empty phrases and absurd non sequiturs.

It was also noted that Obama's idea that more Europeans should go to Afghanistan so he can slash taxes in the U.S. didn't go down well at all. It's actually a serious diplomatic blunder which U.S. press fails to notice.

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

171 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:31:56pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

For those that didn't, they were pretty much a combo of Sears, Home Depot and Kohl's all stuffed into about 8 ailes!

We had Woolworth's but they were bigger than that.

Our mini-wonderland was called TG&Y...a buck would go a long way...I could get a GI Joe accessory and a candy bar...it was next to the Weingarten's grocery, so my brother and I would go in there during Mom's grocery trip once a week.

172 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:32:04pm

re: #164 Opilio

I associate that phrase with "Ajax laundry detergent". I'm glad I'm carrying that useful piece of information around.

Also the closing stanza to 'Touch Me' by The Doors.

173 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:32:19pm

re: #160 Dr. Shalit

Ah, Crazy Eddies - his prices are insane (helps to explain the bankruptcy, criminal charges.

And other great former electronics chains:

The Wiz... whose tagline was Nobody beats the Wiz (until they did, and it went out of business).

174 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:32:29pm

re: #168 Spiny Norman

Yep. There was a Woolworth's within walking distance when I was in the 2nd or 3rd grade (before we moved to Big Bear), and it had a lunch counter.

They still have them in Australia, oddly enough.

Really ,, cool ,,, i'm planning a trip to Australia 3-4 years from now (my wife insists we go to Paris for our 20th anniversary next year ,,, grrrrr )

175 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:32:31pm

re: #151 outsidephilly

re: #123 outsidephilly

. . . , Drive-in movie theaters - yep, those were the days!

We have a practically brand new one about 6 miles up the road.

I may have to relocate . . .

FM2920, out past Rosehill, Texas.

176 neverquit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:32:44pm

I know I'll have to take heat for this one, but here it goes:

The key to winning the Presidency in this election is the Center.

McCain is closer the Center than Obama.

The Country's future will continue to move towards the center. (The next 4 or 5 Republican nominees after McCain will have the task of slowing down the moves to the Left to a Conservative pace for the next 50 years. The move Left is inevitable and unstoppable, and our nation's history is proof)

If I were advising McCain, I would tell him to pursue a VP who is in the Center when it comes to Foreign Policy and protecting the interests of the United States in the International Power Politics arena.

This requires politicians with the balls to stand on principle. In this case, Lieberman seems to be a solid candidate and/or at minimum a person to court for a Cabinet Position.

I know it seems distasteful, even whimsical, but search your feelings, USE THE FORCE......

At this critical time in the World's history, a Rookie is not the answer. Obama must be defeated in this election. The alternative costs of an Obama victory will be too expensive for us all.

imho

Looking forward to the "no way dude" - "you're crazy man" - "never happen" - "Lieberman is a Leftist" retorts.....Let me have it, I'll sit here and take it for awhile anyway, gotta get up early....

;)

177 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:32:53pm

re: #125 OldLineTexan

Was there much snow when you walked uphill (both ways) to school?

/

The best line I heard regarding "when I was a kid"...

A Japanese comedienne:

"My mother said when she was a child she had to walk to school in the midst of an atomic bomb."

178 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:33:40pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

Jim Jones was a darling of the left at the time for his Marxist ideology. But after the mass suicide of his cult, the same people were happy enough that Jones was painted in the media as some sort of religious fanatic and not a Marxist.

179 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:33:57pm

re: #157 outsidephilly

Not only that, but we had Dairy Queen Ice Cream stands. and really cool Hot Shoppe drive-up hamburger joints

Dairy Queens are still all over down here...real hamburger joints are hard to come by.

180 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:34:06pm

re: #170 KSK

Examples for critical German articles about Obama

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

How is your son doing?
How long has he been in Afghanistan?
Would you let him know I thank him for his service, please?

181 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:34:18pm

re: #162 Idle Drifter

not self inflicted, the coward had to get someone else to do it

182 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:34:51pm

These ridiculous polls and subsequently erroneous numbers in regards to how the country will really vote-- are going to come back and bit the MSM straight in the ass come election time.

They are being used to "float" Obama as much as possible now to show him as a true contender. However, it's giving his supporters a false sense of.. well, "hope." When the votes are tabulated (not just exit polls), a lot of America will be wondering "how? He was up by so much!"


It happened in the primaries.

183 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:34:56pm

re: #174 sattv4u2

Really ,, cool ,,, i'm planning a trip to Australia 3-4 years from now (my wife insists we go to Paris for our 20th anniversary next year ,,, grrrrr )


Go to Amsterdam.. It's more fun and it smells better..
/ducking

184 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:35:03pm

re: #175 OldLineTexan

FM2920, out past Rosehill, Texas.

aahhh, I don't know how to speak Texas, only French :o)

185 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:35:13pm

re: #176 neverquit

This country is moving more to the right, not the left. But I do agree that the Center is important

186 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:35:28pm

re: #176 neverquit

short answer ,, you're right in a way. it WILL all depend on the middle, and seeing McCain is more middle than Obama, he doesn;'t need to be shored up there. What he does need is help on the right, Lieberman, although I admire him, does NOT help Mccain there

187 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:35:56pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Boy do I. pb10

188 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:35:59pm

re: #176 neverquit

I floated the idea of a McCain/Lieberman ticket months ago here. Its not crazy one bit. But still highly unlikely.

189 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:36:07pm

re: #181 pegcity

I was unsure so I left it vague.

190 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:36:25pm

re: #167 jcw46

If not for America he would be speaking RUSSIAN!

Man I missed that, how true that is

191 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:36:43pm

re: #170 KSK

The tenor is that Obama used Berliners as a backdrop for a campaign speech that despite talking about Berlin had really nothing to do with Berlin or Germany, was full of empty phrases and absurd non sequiturs.

It was also noted that Obama's idea that more Europeans should go to Afghanistan so he can slash taxes in the U.S. didn't go down well at all. It's actually a serious diplomatic blunder which U.S. press fails to notice.

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

Deliberately suppresses, more likely.

The US Media's schoolgirl infatuation with Barry is a genuine embarassment, if you ask me.

Thanks for the links, btw. I've also seen some unflattering Media articles on Obama in the British press, too, and not just the "usual conservative suspects", either.

192 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:36:48pm

re: #177 solomonpanting

The best line I heard regarding "when I was a kid"...

A Japanese comedienne:

"My mother said when she was a child she had to walk to school in the midst of an atomic bomb."

There is a Monty Python routine with the guys in an a Club talking about how bad it was when they were kids.

'You had gravel? We used to dream about having gravel for breakfast.'

193 neocon hippie  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:37:04pm

Any Boston lizards remember the Adams and Swett carpet cleaning ad: "How many cookies did Andrew eat? Andrew ate 8,000." Their phone number was Andrew8-8000 (268-8000). I remember this circa 1970.

194 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:37:19pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

"satt" -

Sorta. kinda - BOTH. A Woolworth's within walking distance (about a mile) from where I lived, AND another Woolworth's and a Kresge's where I was born - about 8 miles away - along with a "JOHN'S BARGAIN STORE," a/k/a "Cheap John's" for all 'y'all NY/NJ types.

-S-

195 neverquit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:38:24pm

re: #186 sattv4u2

short answer ,, you're right in a way. it WILL all depend on the middle, and seeing McCain is more middle than Obama, he doesn;'t need to be shored up there. What he does need is help on the right, Lieberman, although I admire him, does NOT help Mccain there

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

196 Idle Drifter  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:38:25pm

re: #178 Mich-again

Jim Jones was a darling of the left at the time for his Marxist ideology. But after the mass suicide of his cult, the same people were happy enough that Jones was painted in the media as some sort of religious fanatic and not a Marxist.


That bit of truth has gotten out and more people are being exposed to that ugly truth.

197 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:38:42pm

And for those who chose to "trollrate" my first post at #33 I have this to say:

I did cheer Ronald Reagan when he gave his famous Berlin speech.
I have been actively involved in fighting terror for more than 20 years.
I respect John McCain very much which gives him no right to insult Germans.
I have a son who has served in Bosnia and now in Afghanistan, like I served in the German military and trained in the U.S. to protect Europe.
I reserve myself the right to disagree with a crowd from time to time.

198 neverquit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:39:05pm

re: #185 chicagodudewhotrades

This country is moving more to the right, not the left. But I do agree that the Center is important

More of a recent development, and not indicative of the movement of the Nation since inception.

199 The Other Les  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:39:34pm

re: #179 OldLineTexan

Dairy Queens are still all over down here...real hamburger joints are hard to come by.

There's a Dairy Queen within walking distance of where I live.

There's also a Dairy Queen next to the Heights Theater in Columbia Heights (at the edge of walking distance), both owned by the same guys. You can bring your cones and stuff into the theater.

(Grabbed a cone before the Trip sequence during a recent showing of 2001.)

200 Meremortal  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:40:01pm

re: #175 OldLineTexan

You'll appreciate this school story, given your location.

My uncle Garland rode a horse to school in the 20's (Mills County). You are familiar with ice storms. He got caught in one on morning, and when he got to school he and his rain slicker were frozen to the saddle and horse. The teacher had to come out and tear the slicker loose so he could get off the horse. Of course I'm sure he played that up a little, surely he could have broken himself loose. This story was written up in a book on the history of Mills County.

201 wiffersnapper  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:40:13pm

/care?

202 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:40:16pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Ah, Crazy Eddies - his prices are insane (helps to explain the bankruptcy, criminal charges.

And other great former electronics chains:

The Wiz... whose tagline was Nobody beats the Wiz (until they did, and it went out of business).

lawhawk -

"The Wiz" - "whizzed out" - Their Parent Company - Cablevision, a/k/a OPTIMUM - is my ISP. Got a couple of bargains when they closed out but not much.

-S-

203 Purple Prose  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:40:24pm

Maybe perception is everything. If affluent and "educated" liberals, African-Americans and the rest of the world think Obama's election will absolve the US of its past sin of slavery and give humankind a post-modern and post-everything international citizen/president of the world, then maybe - facts be damned - that is what will happen. It's hard to see, however, how the love affair will last when Obama makes his first non-moonbat decisions (witness the dismay among some on the left as he has "moved to center").

Regardless of what reality might be should Obama be elected, and it's still a long road to the White House, the symbolism of and hopes for an Obama presidency that many people hold are completely illogical and absurd.

Obama is not a descendent of slaves. He is the son of a white American mother, whose ancestors once held slaves, and a Muslim Kenyan father, whose ancestors may have been slavetraders.

Yet the whole Obama candidacy is exciting to many because he is the first "black" to run for president and can set aright the racial discord of the past. It boggles the mind. His black roots are those of the son of an immigrant father, who abandoned him and his mother when he was very young. That is all.

All Obama is different from most candidates in the superficial fact that his father and so he has more melanin in his skin than most. In a way, there is a weird racism to left's love of Obama. If it is racist to judge anyone by the race negatively, then it is racist to favor or hold unreasonable hopes for anyone because he happens to be of mixed race.

Obamania is rooted in the irrational. As such, it belongs in the same category as creationism and Islamism. It is a quasi-religious fever with a big dash of celebrity worship. It is crass, illogical, uncritical and unsound.

Where is Obama on the issues? Where is Obama's resume of accomplishment? Who is Obama as a person, not as a symbol? The best answers suggest there is quite little of substance there.

204 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:41:15pm

re: #116 Meremortal

---

Yes, I could walk to the 7-11, pick up three bottles along the way, and the 6 cents would buy a candy bar. Summertime, and the livin' was easy.

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

205 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:41:19pm

re: #192 Van Helsing

There is a Monty Python routine with the guys in an a Club talking about how bad it was when they were kids.

'You had gravel? We used to dream about having gravel for breakfast.'

We were evicted from our hole in the ground.

206 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:41:41pm

re: #184 outsidephilly

aahhh, I don't know how to speak Texas, only French :o)

Many of us are bilingual and can converse in American English.

;)

207 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:41:43pm

re: #197 KSK

And for those who chose to "trollrate" my first post at #33 I have this to say:

I did cheer Ronald Reagan when he gave his famous Berlin speech.
I have been actively involved in fighting terror for more than 20 years.
I respect John McCain very much which gives him no right to insult Germans.
I have a son who has served in Bosnia and now in Afghanistan, like I served in the German military and trained in the U.S. to protect Europe.
I reserve myself the right to disagree with a crowd from time to time.

I'm sorry..how did McCain insult the german people?

208 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:41:44pm

re: #199 The Other Les

My mother worked at a Dairy Queen. When they would screw up a dipped cone they were able to put them in the cooler and take them home after shift.

For the longest time I thought a Dilly Bar was a 'mistake'.

209 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:41:45pm

180 outsidephilly

Thank you his doing well. He has been over there for more than a year now and renewed his commitment a month ago. He's not in a "safe zone".

210 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:42:33pm

re: #193 neocon hippie

Any Boston lizards remember the Adams and Swett carpet cleaning ad: "How many cookies did Andrew eat? Andrew ate 8,000." Their phone number was Andrew8-8000 (268-8000). I remember this circa 1970.

I lived 30 miles north of Boston for years but I don't remember that one

211 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:42:35pm

re: #206 OldLineTexan

Many of us are bilingual and can converse in American English.

;)

LOL

212 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:42:42pm

re: #204 Quilly Mammoth

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

Never saw beer in a vending machine, although I remember the cigarettes machines.

213 Maximu§  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:43:32pm

re: #25 MandyManners

Just about every time I've flipped past CNN this weekend, a special "Black in America" has been playing.

I noticed that also, once again CNN is trying to start a race riot. I'm sure it will come back in time for the election.

214 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:44:24pm

re: #170 KSK

We have seen none of this reported in The States.
/Very interesting (best phony German accent)

215 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:44:55pm

re: #177 solomonpanting

The best line I heard regarding "when I was a kid"...

A Japanese comedienne:

"My mother said when she was a child she had to walk to school in the midst of an atomic bomb."

But hearing Japanese complain about the bomb(s) kinda reminds me of Palestinians complaining of checkpoints.

Don't try to enslave all of east Asia and the Pacific, and that crap won't happen.

216 chicagodudewhotrades[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:44:58pm
217 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:45:03pm

I realize I'm new here, but for those who are unware, Gallup is one of the many left-leaning polling organizations that does what is called oversampling.
It simply means they ask more dimocrats than republicans and independents, so their results, polls, and conclusions will almost always be skewed in the dimocrats' favor.

218 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:45:11pm

re: #213 Maximu§

Wow was that show a bunch of B.S, the only person i liked on it was the guy from the Cosby show calling it all nonsense, spike lee was such a race baiting tool.

Oh yeah spike lee people are so racist because they don't want to bankroll your race baiting movies, please.

219 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:45:20pm

re: #212 OldLineTexan

Never saw beer in a vending machine, although I remember the cigarettes machines.

My first pack of smokes was from a vending machine. I was 16. That's a big reason why we don't have ciggies in vending machines anymore.

;^)

220 Meremortal  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:45:24pm

re: #204 Quilly Mammoth

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.


----------------

Excellent! We had a Gulf station next to the 7-11. We'd pitch pennies at the curb, winner take all.

221 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:45:52pm

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change...

Polar bears ARE on their way to extinction...

Save 'em for only 16 bucks a month...WWF

222 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:45:53pm

re: #205 Spiny Norman

Thank you, sir! Still laughing!

223 ParisParamus  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:46:14pm

Since there's a sub-thread re gaws prices, can anyone tell my why gas is measured in 9/10ths of a gallon?

224 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:46:25pm

re: #216 chicagodudewhotrades

Any Chicago area Lizards remember Empire carpet commercials? Their number was 588-2300. My dad worked for Channel 32 WFLD (then they were Metromedia ,today now the local Fox station) in the '70s and early 80's. Seems like I grew up with the Empire Carpet guy since Ch-32 seemed to always run their commercials.

Those things are still running in SoCal. I see them on TV daily.

225 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:46:58pm

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

226 rupedog  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:47:21pm

As an Info Ops professional, I can say the media is playing a classic cram it down their throats PSYOP campaign on the American viewing public. Most of our voting population doesn't care and only hear snippets of what is going on in the campaign... they receive the input but don't really dwell on it. Their perception, thanks to the media whitewash, is basic: Obama=positive, McCain=negative.

227 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:47:30pm

re: #204 Quilly Mammoth

And I could get two donut holes with the remaining penny. You could buy cans of Lone Star from the pop machine at the Shell next to the 7-11.

Quilly -

Let me give you something more recent. In 1999, I could buy 1 Pound of "Wunderbar" Bologna for $1.69/79, get a "FREE" Pound of Store Brand American Cheese, a 22oz Loaf of Store Brand White Bread for $1.09, and take all of the condiments I wanted at Quick-Check. A Poor Man's feast for $2.69/79! Believe me - going back to Kosher has cost me.

-S-

228 thelongblogger  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:48:23pm

re: #197 KSK

In general, I support KSK's original point: media coverage of Obama in Germany was nowhere near as positive as it appeared from the United States. The US media is responsible for that.

On the other hand, there are German media reports like this.

229 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:49:13pm

re: #195 neverquit

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

Yes, but enough of the voters on the right still have to show up. If McCain keeps ignoring them, they might not.

230 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:49:16pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change..

Uh, polar bears can swim.

;-)

231 DesertSage  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:49:16pm

Gallup had Kerry ahead 49-45 on 7-23-04.

I wouldn't put too much stock in that poll.

232 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:49:39pm

re: #195 neverquit

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

their votea are NOT a lock, Many will stay home in "protest" that nobody (i.e.McCain) represents them

233 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:50:03pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

I've received 'free' calendars and return address stickers from the World Wildlife Fund (I think).

Lotta damn paper they send out in the hopes of getting a contribution.

234 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:50:21pm

re: #219 Spiny Norman

My first pack of smokes was from a vending machine. I was 16. That's a big reason why we don't have ciggies in vending machines anymore.

;^)

The last ciggie vending machine I remember seeing was in the Enlisted Club at NTC Orlando back in '87. Also saw Molly Hatchet play there once.

235 sattv4u2  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:50:37pm

Gotta Scoot, Lizards

Thanks for the memories all !

236 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:50:53pm

re: #230 Silhouette

Uh, polar bears can swim.

;-)

Somebody tell the WWF.

237 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:51:09pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

I'm sorry you feel it translated into bootlicking..
I'm sure that baby jesus only supports toe licking..Will email Michelle and get back with you...
/

238 stevieray  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:51:11pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

Well, if ya wait long enough, eventually all life on earth will go extinct... so technically, they aren't lying.

239 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:51:54pm

How fucking stupid can we get? If this dipshit is so great, then elect him. I give up.

240 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:06pm

I'm beginning to see more Obama (I prefer ZerObama) bumper stickers around here. And some of these are cars parked in up-scale neighborhoods. I'm talking $2-$4 million properties. Kind of a disconnect going on.

Power to the Correct People!
(They don't look to the government give them stuff.)

241 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:08pm

re: #236 OldLineTexan

Somebody tell the WWF.

I'm just trying to figure out why those wrestlers even care!

242 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:13pm

KSK (#170),

Thanks for the links.

The tenor is that Obama used Berliners as a backdrop for a campaign speech that despite talking about Berlin had really nothing to do with Berlin or Germany, was full of empty phrases and absurd non sequiturs.

That's pretty much the critical analysis here as well.

It was also noted that Obama's idea that more Europeans should go to Afghanistan so he can slash taxes in the U.S. didn't go down well at all. It's actually a serious diplomatic blunder which U.S. press fails to notice.

The US press studiously "fails" to notice Obama's reoccurring blunders on a regular basis.

If we go to Afghanistan (and my son is there) we go because we need to fight terror and pacify that dangerous part of the world. We don't go to save Americans taxes.

Good at you and thanks to your son.

And yes, "You go so it won't cost us as much" is pretty daft.

243 Adina in Judea  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:20pm

Obama hasn't gotten a 9 point bounce on the Gallup Poll.

Obama was up 47 to 41 on July 20th. Then he came back down to 45 to 43 on July 23rd. He's inched back up to 47-41, 48-41 and now 49-40 in the last three days.

It's a little bounce or an outlier that goes only slightly above the range that he's already been in for awhile.

The polls were even on June 24, 25 and 26 (45-45, 44-44, and 44-44) but other than that, they've been running between Obama being one point ahead and six points ahead (back and forth and in between.)

So if he has a bounce, it's roughly a 2 point bounce on the Gallup Poll.

I don't think Obama will win. He scores high as the "riskiest" candidate in this election and I think he will end up revealing himself to be even riskier as the next few months go on.

244 neverquit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:27pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

So, for me, your issue is merely of translation?, and not meaning.

In my understanding of the context for "fawning" in this instance can be understood as "wooing for self interest". Equally insulting to me, we call it "ass kissing" or "brown nosing".....

Seem to be a little thin skinned......

245 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:40pm

re: #239 kansas

How fucking stupid can we get? If this dipshit is so great, then elect him. I give up.

You believe these polls?

246 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:52:59pm

re: #238 stevieray

Well, if ya wait long enough, eventually all life on earth will go extinct... so technically, they aren't lying.

I can only type so much...they actually claimed that the polar bears would all be extinct by the time "your children grow up", or something remarkably similar.

247 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:53:27pm

re: #83 outsidephilly

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

Feh. I have pictures with me in them at 19 cents. Trying to find them for a contest in the Albany Times Union.

248 gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:53:40pm

Krucschev's famous words are coming true:

"We will Barry you!"

249 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:53:48pm

re: #246 OldLineTexan

I can only type so much...they actually claimed that the polar bears would all be extinct by the time "your children grow up", or something remarkably similar.

They also fail to mention that they are viscous creatures.

250 neverquit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:53:53pm

re: #229 astronmr20

Yes, but enough of the voters on the right still have to show up. If McCain keeps ignoring them, they might not.

Just mho - The alternative is too frightening for them. They will vote.

251 thelongblogger  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:53:57pm

re: #225 KSK


I have no idea what the correct translation would be, but "fawning" is a much softer word in English than "bootlicking", or even "servile".

You can describe someone as fawning over a movie star, say, but if you say they were bootlicking, there's likely to be trouble.

My impression of the people I saw in pictures (der Spiegel?)from Germany was that they were "fawning" as I understand the word.

Certrainly the report from the gym was fawning in anyone's book.

252 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:12pm

re: #248 gearhead

Krucschev's famous words are coming true:

"We will Barry you!"

Ohhhhh..

THAT'S what he meant.

253 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:14pm

re: #209 KSK

180 outsidephilly

Thank you his doing well. He has been over there for more than a year now and renewed his commitment a month ago. He's not in a "safe zone".

Would you give us/me frequent updates on him? It is an honor to 'speak' with a parent of a child who is taking care of business for America! God, bless our military!

254 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:21pm

re: #197 KSK

And for those who chose to "trollrate" my first post at #33 I have this to say:

I did cheer Ronald Reagan when he gave his famous Berlin speech.
I have been actively involved in fighting terror for more than 20 years.
I respect John McCain very much which gives him no right to insult Germans.
I have a son who has served in Bosnia and now in Afghanistan, like I served in the German military and trained in the U.S. to protect Europe.
I reserve myself the right to disagree with a crowd from time to time.

Yes you do so did you protest Obama?
and thank you for your and your sons service, really

255 IslandLibertarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:26pm

re: #230 Silhouette

Uh, polar bears can swim.

;-)

The worst that will happen is the Polar Bear will evolve into a brown-coated bear.
Oh crap! I used the "E" word.

/go fish

256 Josephine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:42pm

That's it! Where is reine.de.tout? She must immediately pass a law banning all TV sets from the land, hereupon, tout de suite, now and forevermore.

I'm off to bed, to sleep, perchance to dream of a land without sound bites and a people not easily ensnared by a pretty face and parseltongue.

257 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:42pm

228 thelongblogger

Of course you find articles like this, especially in the taz, Germany's most leftist mainstream paper. But even in this paper other articles have criticized the hype or mocked it.

258 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:45pm

re: #240 IslandLibertarian

never got the bumper sticker thing going on in the US.

In canada people don't ever put election stickers on cars, never seen it once.

259 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:50pm

re: #248 gearhead

Had to give that an upding.
It was so obvious, it plumb evaded me.
Jimmy Buffett on the stereo...

260 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:52pm

re: #249 astronmr20

They also fail to mention that they are viscous creatures.

Polar bears are not thick and slimy!

/spellchecker ain't always right!

261 jcw46  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:54:58pm

re: #249 astronmr20

They also fail to mention that they are viscous creatures.

and they're vicious too. :>

262 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:55:18pm

re: #212 OldLineTexan

Never saw beer in a vending machine, although I remember the cigarettes machines.

We had them in the Marines and Navy, OLT. Beer was 35 cents a can, unless you wanted Moosehead, which was 50 cents.

263 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:55:29pm

re: #248 gearhead

Krucschev's famous words are coming true:

"We will Barry you!"

gearhead -

"ROTFLMAO!"

-S-

264 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:55:42pm

re: #83 outsidephilly

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

Oh and by the way. I recall thinking 65 cents was OBSCENE for gas. At the time.

265 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:56:04pm

re: #262 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

moosehead , nice.

266 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:56:04pm

re: #253 outsidephilly

Would you give us/me frequent updates on him? It is an honor to 'speak' with a parent of a child who is taking care of business for America! God, bless our military!

I think his kid is taking care of business for Germany, if I have followed this correctly.

And I appreciate his service deeply.

267 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:56:52pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change...

Polar bears ARE on their way to extinction...

Save 'em for only 16 bucks a month...WWF

Send me $10 a month and I will do the same. :-)

268 Da_Beerfreak  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:56:54pm
re: #5 Mich-again
That poll and $0.50 will get you a coffee from the vending machine.

re: #11 The Other Les
I hate vending machine coffee.

That's because that warm brown sludge ain't coffee.

(I don't want to know what it really is.)

269 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:56:55pm

re: #264 Crimsonfisted

cheapest i ever saw was 32 cents a litre, well 25 but that was a gas war between gas stations.

That was only like 8 years ago

270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:56:59pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change...

Polar bears ARE on their way to extinction...

Save 'em for only 16 bucks a month...WWF

The World Wrestling Federation is collecting for polar bears?

271 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:57:25pm

re: #244 neverquit

So, for me, your issue is merely of translation?, and not meaning.

In my understanding of the context for "fawning" in this instance can be understood as "wooing for self interest". Equally insulting to me, we call it "ass kissing" or "brown nosing".....

Seem to be a little thin skinned......

don't get me wrong..but what obama did was hardly ass kissing in germany..is that what you call that?
I think he came to europe to have the people kiss his ring and be enthralled with a superstar. I thought it was cheesy american politics on display to the world..
K?

272 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:57:27pm

re: #260 OldLineTexan

Polar bears are not thick and slimy!

/spellchecker ain't always right!

Crap.

Actually, I have an automatic spellchecker.. Use OSX. However, "viscous" was of course spelled correctly.

273 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:57:39pm

re: #245 astronmr20

Well, to me it's like preseason football. They say it doesn't matter, but one team wins and one team loses. One guy is ahead, the dipshit. Has never been behind. So.....

274 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:57:55pm

I love it when moonbats make precise predictions. The Population Bomb had everyone starving to death by 1980 or something. Peak oil says known reserves will peak in 2012 (?) or thereabouts, and then go down and down from there.

And the famous wager

The face-off occurred in the pages of Social Science Quarterly, where Simon challenged Ehrlich to put his money where his mouth was.

In response to Ehrlich's published claim that "If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000" — a proposition Simon regarded as too silly to bother with — Simon countered with "a public offer to stake US$10,000 ... on my belief that the cost of non-government-controlled raw materials (including grain and oil) will not rise in the long run." You could name your own terms: select any raw material you wanted — copper, tin, whatever — and select any date in the future, "any date more than a year away," and Simon would bet that the commodity's price on that date would be lower than what it was at the time of the wager... Ehrlich and his colleagues picked five metals that they thought would undergo big price rises: chromium, copper, nickel, tin, and tungsten. Then, on paper, they bought $200 worth of each, for a total bet of $1,000, using the prices on September 29, 1980, as an index. They designated September 29, 1990, 10 years hence, as the payoff date. If the inflation-adjusted prices of the various metals rose in the interim, Simon would pay Ehrlich the combined difference; if the prices fell, Ehrlich et al. would pay Simon... Between 1980 and 1990, the world's population grew by more than 800 million, the largest increase in one decade in all of history. But by September 1990, without a single exception, the price of each of Ehrlich's selected metals had fallen, and in some cases had dropped through the floor. Chrome, which had sold for $3.90 a pound in 1980, was down to $3.70 in 1990. Tin, which was $8.72 a pound in 1980, was down to $3.88 a decade later.[1]

275 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:58:30pm

re: #270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The World Wrestling Federation is collecting for polar bears?

They use 'em for cage matches whenever they want to thin the ranks.

276 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:58:54pm

re: #197 KSK

I read der Spiegel online just about every day. More of a regular stop than any American newspaper site. The interview with Leon de Winter was really good. I can't see an American paper running that on the front page.

277 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:59:12pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

Anyone have a Woolworths or a Kresge's (sp?) in their hometowns when they were kids?

As a matter of fact, when I was a teenager, my FIRST job was as a bus boy at a Woolworth's lunch counter. I think that was one of the hardest jobs to keep up with, especially on a busy Saturday!1 On top of that, I had to make banana splits and sundaes as well as wash those glass dishes and spoons.... talk about working someone's ass off for a pittance! The biggest reason I got the job in the first place was the fact my mother was a cook/waitress there and she thought it would build character and give me spending money.

278 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:59:49pm

re: #276 Mich-again

the catalogue?

279 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 6:59:57pm

Wanna know what the polls were this time in 2004?

Check it out

280 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:00:36pm

re: #268 Da_Beerfreak

That's because that warm brown sludge ain't coffee.

(I don't want to know what it really is.)

Rough calculation. I worked at a place for 15 years and probably had 4 or 5 cups of vending machine coffee every day. Gotts be like 10,000 cups of that stuff. But it was never sludgy. Always watery. You could read the paper through it if the cup had a glass bottom.

281 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:00:48pm

re: #269 pegcity

cheapest i ever saw was 32 cents a litre, well 25 but that was a gas war between gas stations.

That was only like 8 years ago

Well I am talking 1965? or so. I was a kid, but the picture of me on the car we the gas station in the background was 19 cents. In college, in the 70s 65 cents pissed me off.

282 Gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:00:57pm

re: #275 CyanSnowHawk

They use 'em for cage matches whenever they want to thin the ranks.

How Roman. Which way to the vomitorium?

283 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:01:32pm

re: #278 phoenixgirl

the catalogue?

Ha! der Spiegel aint no catalog!

284 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:01:52pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change...

I bet polar bears never drowned before........................

285 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:02:02pm

re: #269 pegcity

cheapest i ever saw was 32 cents a litre, well 25 but that was a gas war between gas stations.

That was only like 8 years ago

How much is in a liter we use gallons here in America that metric shit they tried to push on me in the 70's never caught on.
sarc/

286 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:02:11pm

re: #283 Mich-again

lol

287 neverquit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:02:18pm

re: #271 HoosierHoops

K....lol

But I disagree. Obama is part of that Far Left mentality that seems to place the opinions of European hippies and of Euro elitists above the interests of the United States. He's seeking their approval. imho.

288 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:03:18pm

re: #264 Crimsonfisted

Oh and by the way. I recall thinking 65 cents was OBSCENE for gas. At the time.

"C-F" -

I remember filling up my younger sister's car at the HESS Station in Edison, NJ, in the '73/4 "crunch." After waiting in line for a couple of hours, I got to the pump.
Gas was 38.9 cents/gallon. The attendant asked if he could check my oil.
Told him for that price he could also wash and wax the car - those JUST MIGHT have been The Days my friend.

289 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:03:27pm

OT: Some people have no shame. I've been reading the ranting off bitter exlizards tonight and I don't give a shit what they have to sat about me but there are delicate, tender and vulnerable people who don't deserve the scorn and hatred being heaped upon them. I know that this is the internet but there are real people behind the nics. Show some fucking class you heartless assholes.

290 Mr. Pulpo  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:04:23pm

The previous poll showed showed obama up by 7 points.
So he picked up 2 extra points.
So that's called a bounce.

291 phoenixgirl  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:04:25pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

{killgore}

292 stevieray  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:04:41pm

re: #246 OldLineTexan

I can only type so much...they actually claimed that the polar bears would all be extinct by the time "your children grow up", or something remarkably similar.

Then they are lying. But nobody ever calls them on it, so they continue.

I used to work in the same building as the Rainforest Action Network. I would run into the kids in the lobby and elevators regularly, and would take their pamphlets and listen to their spiels, so I was well acquainted with their claims.

"Ten species go extinct every day!"

"The world will be in famine in ten years!"

"Wars will be fought for water, not oil by the year 2000!"

That was back during Gulf War I. Its been much longer than ten years, none of their guarantees have come true, and yet the MSM never goes back to review their claims... just gives them a bigger megaphone instead.

Sigh. America and freedom will die under the crushing weight of lies.

293 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:05:00pm

re: #258 pegcity

never got the bumper sticker thing going on in the US.

In canada people don't ever put election stickers on cars, never seen it once.

In the more leftist enclaves (in West LA and the entire Bay area, ferinstence) we have old rattletraps festooned with them.

294 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:05:02pm

re: #287 neverquit

K....lol

But I disagree. Obama is part of that Far Left mentality that seems to place the opinions of European hippies and of Euro elitists above the interests of the United States. He's seeking their approval. imho.


oh i agree
but there was ass kissing, boot licking going on...

295 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:05:16pm

re: #285 BBev

How much is in a liter we use gallons here in America that metric shit they tried to push on me in the 70's never caught on.
sarc/

"BBev"

Multiply by 3.875 to get US Gallons. That is all.

-S-

296 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:05:34pm

Spiny Norman (#191),

The US Media's schoolgirl infatuation with Barry is a genuine embarassment, if you ask me.

Boy you hit the nail on the head with that one:

Barack Obama returned to Chicago Sunday and made an appearance before the UNITY minority journalists' convention

At UNITY, the applause was restrained, after organizers reminded conference participants that the appearance was being nationally broadcast and they should make every effort to maintain "professional decorum."

Still, Obama received a standing ovation from many in the audience at the start and end of his appearance. There was also a rush toward the stage after his speech, as Obama shook hands and signed autographs.

One journalist was also overheard wishing him luck, while another squealed, "He touched me!" as she left the ballroom.

297 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:05:37pm

re: #291 phoenixgirl

Thanks. Some shit really gets under my skin.

298 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:07pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

OT: Some people have no shame. I've been reading the ranting off bitter exlizards tonight and I don't give a shit what they have to sat about me but there are delicate, tender and vulnerable people who don't deserve the scorn and hatred being heaped upon them. I know that this is the internet but there are real people behind the nics. Show some fucking class you heartless assholes.

I didn't do anything.

299 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:14pm

re: #288 Dr. Shalit

Doctor, I recall as a child seeing the box on my grandmother's wall in rural Washington, and she cranked it for me, as I stood on a chair with the earpiece against my left ear, and -when the Operator asked who I wanted- I gave the name Grandma told me, and was connected.

Circa 1952... 5 years later they had a rotary, non-party line.

300 Crimsonfisted  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:19pm

And by the way. 9 points?

BWAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA giggle snort tee hee.

NINE POINTS?!?!? After the "European tour"? That is all he gets?

Failure in my book.

301 MJ  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:20pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

OT: Some people have no shame. I've been reading the ranting off bitter exlizards tonight and I don't give a shit what they have to sat about me but there are delicate, tender and vulnerable people who don't deserve the scorn and hatred being heaped upon them. I know that this is the internet but there are real people behind the nics. Show some fucking class you heartless assholes.


Where were you at that you saw the comments?

302 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:21pm

One day President Obama will come up with the idea to open up re: #289 Killgore Trout

I don't follow all that stuff. Probably a good thing.

303 HoosierHoops  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:32pm

re: #294 HoosierHoops

oh i agree
but there was ass kissing, boot licking going on...

I meant NO ass kissing...jeez.good night Lizards..

304 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:40pm

re: #265 pegcity

moosehead , nice.

And at the EM club, a long island iced tea in a 16 oz. paper cup was $1. A 24oz old milwaukee, also in a paper cup, was 50 cents.

305 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:06:43pm

re: #295 Dr. Shalit

"BBev"

Multiply by 3.875 to get US Gallons. That is all.

-S-

10Q

306 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:07:01pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

OT: Some people have no shame. I've been reading the ranting off bitter exlizards tonight and I don't give a shit what they have to sat about me but there are delicate, tender and vulnerable people who don't deserve the scorn and hatred being heaped upon them. I know that this is the internet but there are real people behind the nics. Show some fucking class you heartless assholes.

I did some of that recently. Bitter is right. I was thinking about leaving a comment, but could not come up with a good spelling for maniacal laughter.

307 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:07:15pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops


"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

Well, if the kreicherisch fits.........

308 little boomer  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:07:29pm

re: #293 Spiny Norman

In the more leftist enclaves (in West LA and the entire Bay area, ferinstence) we have old rattletraps festooned with them.

Got that straight- in VT it can obscure the color of the car from the back.

309 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:07:43pm

re: #290 Mr. Pulpo

The previous poll showed showed obama up by 7 points.
So he picked up 2 extra points.
So that's called a bounce.

Obama Can't Jump.

310 Gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:08:07pm

"At UNITY, the applause was restrained, after organizers reminded conference participants that the appearance was being nationally broadcast and they should make every effort to maintain "professional decorum." Senator Obama just wanted to finish his waffle."

311 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:08:35pm

re: #277 Gumby
"...and give me spending money..."

Right.

I can hear Gumby now: "Rich! This job is making me RICH! Bwahaha!"

312 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:08:42pm

I h8 when I stop one post to reply to another and forget the first one.

313 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:08:54pm

re: #289 Killgore Trout

OT: Some people have no shame. I've been reading the ranting off bitter exlizards tonight and I don't give a shit what they have to sat about me but there are delicate, tender and vulnerable people who don't deserve the scorn and hatred being heaped upon them. I know that this is the internet but there are real people behind the nics. Show some fucking class you heartless assholes.

"K-T" -

A lesson I learned fairly early in life is if you cannot say anything nice about someone - Have No Opinion.

-S-

314 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:09:39pm

re: #292 stevieray
Time and time again they are called on those lies, but it never gets covered as well as the lie.

See Obama's declaration of an undivided Jerusalem as capital of Israel.

Big coverage at AIPAC, next to nothing the following day when a 'staff member' 'clarified' his position.

They suck. All the politicians seem to be lying weasels and they don't have a clue that anything they spew can be easily found on this here innertube/net/web thingie.

315 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:09:49pm

i believe rasmussen is at
obama 49% McCain 44%
i like aol the political machine poll best
obama 35% McCain 65% i can hope can't i

316 pegcity  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:03pm

re: #285 BBev

4 roughly, so your gas is still way cheaper than ours

317 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:07pm

re: #313 Dr. Shalit

"K-T" -

A lesson I learned fairly early in life is if you cannot say anything nice about someone - Have No Opinion.

-S-

How boring. Oops, sorry, excellent post.

318 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:20pm

re: #295 Dr. Shalit

Ah, but how many cubic centimeters are in a milliliter?

I love asking College kids that in interviews.

319 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:34pm

re: #313 Dr. Shalit

Reply to Self -

Should have read - "someone close."

-S-

320 Kosh's Shadow  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:54pm

re: #10 cicadajoe

The only relevant statistic:

Obama has a 0% chance of winning the Presidency.

I would stake my life on it.

I think the lives of many are staked on this. Iran would certainly get the bomb under Obomber.

321 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:55pm

re: #197 KS

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO STICKS & STONES..... DAMN EVERY THING ONE SAYS IS BASED ON HOW ONE MIGHT FEEL pb10

322 Beller0ph1  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:10:58pm

re: #224 CyanSnowHawk

They still run the Empire carpet commercials in Chicagoland. I was born in the south suburbs and moved to WI when I was 5. When I moved back here 2 years ago, I couldn't believe the jingle was still the same. The guy isn't back (I'm sure he's retired), but he still does voiceovers.

323 Alouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:11:09pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

Den Autobus unterworfen: Throw under the bus.

324 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:11:49pm

re: #313 Dr. Shalit

"K-T" -

A lesson I learned fairly early in life is if you cannot say anything nice about someone - Have No Opinion.

-S-

I learned that if I can't say anything nice about someone, it must be Barack Hussein Obama.

;)

325 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:12:45pm

#254 BBev

I have commented live on Obama's visit here. You might want to check.

As for "protesting" Obama. Nobody with a protest slogan was allowed anywhere near Obama or a US camera.

And then I extend a certain courtesy to US visitors who haven't done anything yet except uttering empty phrases. I have made it very clear on many occasions that I disagree with his ideas.

Btw the funniest slogan I have read was a mocking "Obamai-Lama". It was of course nowhere to be seen on TV.

PS: Why did so many people attend?

1) Many people dislike Bush and wanted to show that they are not Anti-American
2) Two very popular music bands played for free. Throw in beer and sausages. For many it was just some entertainment.
3) They would have come for the Pope or Madonna as well, even the Protestants or those with a better music taste.
4) They were on their way home and Obama had blocked it.
5) 200000 people sounds a lot but when Germany LOST the soccer finals of Euro 2008 a million came to celebrate anyway.
6) There was some cheering, friendly clapping, but also a lot of silence. And many people went home puzzled with a WTF-look on their face.

326 nigella  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:13:13pm

Really, really late to this thread, but a quick run through the comments seem to indicate a fair amount of anger. I know the reporting 24/7 fawning over Obama is infuriating but the bigger picture seems to reveal that even with his Magical Mystery tour and un-dying love of the MSM, Obama is hardly running away with this election. Remember the polls last time rarely if ever had W. leading, but I don't seem to see President Kerry.Hang in there lizards and stay tough. Regarding the blogger that appeared to be a German, I think he was just trying to say Germans weren't gushing over Obama as much as the MSM lead us to believe.

327 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:13:14pm

re: #324 OldLineTexan

I learned that if I can't say anything nice about someone, it must be Barack Hussein Obama.

;)

AMEN pb10

328 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #318 Mich-again

Ah, but how many cubic centimeters are in a milliliter?

I love asking College kids that in interviews.

"Mich" -

ONE - It's THE LONELIEST NUMBER. That is all.

-S-

329 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:13:41pm

re: #324 OldLineTexan

I learned that saying 'nice' things is a poor second to saying good things, honest things and productive things, Texan :D

330 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:13:56pm

i'm concerned i'm coming down with a case of ODioSyndrom

331 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:17pm

Interesting Polls: Congress lowest approval in Gallup Poll history - 14%

Americans Rate Personal Lives well, U.S. Poorly

It seems that 86% of Americans think they are doing pretty well, and that just sucks. or at least they heard on MSNBC that some other people they aren't really sure exist or not are on the edge of dying. Therefore they rate the economy as bad. Because that is what they heard.

332 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:23pm

This is somewhat OT, but would anyone in the mainstream media give Bush credit for winning the war in Iraq? Anyone?


/crickets

333 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:32pm

re: #325 KSK

Btw the funniest slogan I have read was a mocking "Obamai-Lama". It was of course nowhere to be seen on TV.

That is pretty funny. The Obamai-Lama.

334 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:37pm

re: #283 Mich-again

Ha! der Spiegel aint no catalog!

I remember most of the prizes onTruth or Consequences were straight out of der Spiegel catalogue.

335 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:40pm

re: #312 Mich-again

I h8 when I stop one post to reply to another and forget the first one.

Does this happen to you a lot, do you for get names of people you should remember and wear you left your keys etc.

336 ErnieG  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:57pm

re: #102 sattv4u2

you mean "uh,,, umm,,, err,, well,,, we will ,, ummm,,, errr,,, what I ,,, ummm,,,, change ,,, ahhh ,,,,, errrr,, welll,,, hope ,,,,, ummm" won't go over well ?

That and "57 States," "eight or ten years," and "not the ... I knew." Oh, it will be rich.

337 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:14:58pm

re: #300 Crimsonfisted

And by the way. 9 points?

BWAHAHAHAHHAAHHAHA giggle snort tee hee.

NINE POINTS?!?!? After the "European tour"? That is all he gets?

Failure in my book.

9 points? Not even that much.

338 FlakMusic  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:15:16pm

re: #226 rupedog

As an Info Ops professional, I can say the media is playing a classic cram it down their throats PSYOP campaign on the American viewing public. Most of our voting population doesn't care and only hear snippets of what is going on in the campaign... they receive the input but don't really dwell on it. Their perception, thanks to the media whitewash, is basic: Obama=positive, McCain=negative.

The Obama campaign is the political equivalent of CGI...Media Generated Imagery..."just smile in front of the blue screen, Barry...we'll drop the cheering, focus group tested, diverse crowd in behind you. Don't worry about what you say either...we'll just put a little echo on it, and that should be enough."

339 Dolphin  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:15:26pm

Good evening all! Hey, where is Realwest? Is he ok? I have a gun question that I was going to ask him and I don’t seem him on this thread; which is kind of strange as he is usually on. I have not been on all weekend as we have been out of town. Just kind of worried about time.

340 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:15:27pm

re: #107 Mich-again

Jim Jones and his "Temple" had nothing at all to do with Christianity but that is a favorite misconception of uninformed people around the world. Read up to discover his real religion.

His true religion was leftists socialism. Once again "A Conservative History of the American Left"

341 garycooper  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:15:33pm

re: #203 Purple Prose

"He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?"

/sarc

"Sarcasm Seen as Evolutionary Survival Skill"
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

342 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:15:36pm

re: #329 Carridine

I learned that saying 'nice' things is a poor second to saying good things, honest things and productive things, Texan :D

Mama always said, "If silence is golden, you hushing up would be Fort Knox."

/

343 nigella  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:15:40pm

On another blog, one of the bloggers referred to Obama"s trip to Europe as "Schlock and Awe." I thought that was hilarious!

344 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:16:00pm

re: #321 pilgrimbill10

WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO STICKS & STONES..... DAMN EVERY THING ONE SAYS IS BASED ON HOW ONE MIGHT FEEL pb10

But the UN specifically just told the UK that they were more concerned with "anti-Islamic attitudes" (words) than with the fact that 1/3rd of young UK Muslims are okay with killing over religion (the proverbial sticks and stones).

Everything is upside on this planet.

345 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:16:10pm

re: #304 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

$1 long island iced teas get astronmr20 REALLY drunk.

346 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:16:27pm

re: #332 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

This is somewhat OT, but would anyone in the mainstream media give Bush credit for winning the war in Iraq? Anyone?


/crickets

To me it's troops , command then CIC . pb10

347 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:16:29pm

re: #331 kevinmumaw

Interesting Polls: Congress lowest approval in Gallup Poll history - 14%

My bet is that a majority of voters think the Republicans control congress.

348 jaunte  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:16:33pm

re: #339 Dolphin
I think he comes in a little later in the evenings.

349 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:16:52pm

re: #325 KSK

I've got to clear a few things in my mind:

You were in Berlin?
They had free music?
Was the beer and sausages free?
I haven't heard any of that in the US.

350 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:17:09pm

re: #343 nigella

On another blog, one of the bloggers referred to Obama"s trip to Europe as "Schlock and Awe." I thought that was hilarious!

nigalla -

MEE - TOOO!

-S-

351 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:17:15pm

re: #326 nigella

thank you for those words of encouragment

352 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:17:16pm

re: #325 KSK

Thats cool, I was just bustin ya. Please keep up the good work.
I will check what you said on Obama.

353 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:17:17pm

re: #342 OldLineTexan

Ding! :D

354 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:17:41pm

The Obama yard signs and bumper stickers have proliferated here in the People's Republic of St. Louis in the past week.

That's not surprising. St. Louis is liberal, Democrat-dominated, and majority African-American. My city may well see more than the registered voting population go for Obama in November.

I find the fact that all the signs and stickers have proliferated in the past week a bit suspicious. I reckon Obama's staffers have been busy pressing the flesh in a lot of places. That may account for the "bounce," as much as the Now Is The Time World Tour did.

355 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:17:57pm

re: #332 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

This is somewhat OT, but would anyone in the mainstream media give Bush credit for winning the war in Iraq? Anyone?


/crickets

Like they do Reagan for winning the cold war and freeing more humans from bondage than have ever been freed by a single human being?

356 Gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:18:03pm

re: #342 OldLineTexan

Mama always said, "If silence is golden, you hushing up would be Fort Knox."

/

Gotta write that one down. That's the kind of wisdom my four-year old could benefit from.

357 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:18:14pm

re: #332 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

This is somewhat OT, but would anyone in the mainstream media give Bush credit for winning the war in Iraq? Anyone?


/crickets

Silly Patriot. They will not even acknowledge that the war CAN be won.

Just 'ended'.

358 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:18:18pm

re: #338 FlakMusic

Speaking of CGI..and this is OT..Has anyone seen the trailer for Watchmen? Interesting.

359 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:18:29pm

re: #341 garycooper

"He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?"

Well, not really black, sort of white and black combined, but the black part gets more points, so let's go with that one.

360 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:18:46pm

Bush created a semblance of order in the world because nothing scares despots more than an irrational adversary.

361 ErnieG  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:18:53pm

re: #295 Dr. Shalit

"BBev"

Multiply by 3.875 to get US Gallons. That is all.

-S-

3.785

362 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:00pm

re: #332 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

This is somewhat OT, but would anyone in the mainstream media give Bush credit for winning the war in Iraq? Anyone?


/crickets

but... but...but...

He STARTED it!

/msm

363 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:15pm

re: #344 Silhouette

At least most here at LGF are right side up. pb10

364 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:20pm

re: #311 Carridine

"...and give me spending money..."

Right.

I can hear Gumby now: "Rich! This job is making me RICH! Bwahaha!"

Yeah! at least I had cigarette money and stopped stealing from my mother.... I think that was the original idea anyway.

365 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:39pm

re: #354 Palandine

ONLY a Nine-point World Tour, Palandine?

Pathetic!

366 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:43pm

i don't trust these polls. many of these pollsters are in the tank for b.o. and like the msm, trying to demoralize us.
b.o. will not be elected potus.

367 Boxy_brown  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:54pm

I REALLY concerned that this lying, pandering, appeasing socialist could actually become president. I am going to send McCain more money, maybe volunteer. I wish that y'all would do the same.

368 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:19:58pm

Top Ten Things that Creep Me Out About Obama

I know it is not politically correct to say that Obama “creeps me out.” That’s because immediately after uttering such blasphemy, our friends on the left would put me on the couch and matter of factly inform me that I am suffering from “The White American Disease” and recommend a torturous rehabilitation that would include watching 6 hours a day of “Blaxploitation” films and continuous viewings of Roots in order to inculcate the proper amount of white guilt and outrage directed against white males into my racist psyche.

/he's creepy and he's kookey, mysterious and spooky, he's altogether together ookey . . .

369 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:03pm

i remember the days of old, the shrieking of bring our troops home now! no blood for (fill in blank) now obama speaks of afghanistan and pakistan. strange silence

370 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:11pm

re: #322 Beller0ph1

They still run the Empire carpet commercials in Chicagoland. I was born in the south suburbs and moved to WI when I was 5. When I moved back here 2 years ago, I couldn't believe the jingle was still the same. The guy isn't back (I'm sure he's retired), but he still does voiceovers.

Empire Carpet Spokesman

371 pat  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:22pm

9 very illusory points. obama grows tiresome quickly.

372 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:35pm

re: #366 nyc redneck

to g-ds ears

373 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:39pm

re: #360 Mich-again

Bush created a semblance of order in the world because nothing scares despots more than an irrational adversary.

We have a winner! !

374 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:43pm

re: #354 Palandine

The Obama yard signs and bumper stickers have proliferated here in the People's Republic of St. Louis in the past week.

That's not surprising. St. Louis is liberal, Democrat-dominated, and majority African-American. My city may well see more than the registered voting population go for Obama in November.

I find the fact that all the signs and stickers have proliferated in the past week a bit suspicious. I reckon Obama's staffers have been busy pressing the flesh in a lot of places. That may account for the "bounce," as much as the Now Is The Time World Tour did.

St. Louis will see the dead population turn out in droves, and then the polls can be ordered to stay open as long as a it takes to get Bambi's vote count up. In St. Louis a dead guy beat John Ashcroft, and he was man enough to not protest it.

375 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:51pm

349 Van Helsing

Yes I was. Not in the "inner circle" but with friends at a vantage point.

The music was free, the beer and sausages not (but cheap).

376 little boomer  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:51pm

re: #325 KSK

Wait-did they really give away beer and sausages? I thought that was a joke-

377 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:57pm

re: #363 pilgrimbill10

PIMF MOST LIZARDS

378 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:20:59pm

re: #364 Gumby
LMAO!

/you naught, NAUGHTY boy! :D

379 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:21:24pm

re: #349 Van Helsing

I've got to clear a few things in my mind:

You were in Berlin?
They had free music?
Was the beer and sausages free?
I haven't heard any of that in the US.

"Van" -

AND YOU WON'T! "Search Engine" the crowd - was more like 20,000. Feeding and "Watering" 200,000 people - in Euros - is quite expensive.

-S-

380 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:21:40pm

re: #221 OldLineTexan

OMG, I am watching a sad drowning polar bear commercial for climate change...

Polar bears ARE on their way to extinction...

Save 'em for only 16 bucks a month...WWF

I thought polar bears were quite proficient swimmers?

381 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:21:48pm

re: #313 Dr. Shalit

The lesson I've learned is to not say anything on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face in the meat world. Some people use the anonymity of the internet as some sort of sick loophole in the morality of normal human conduct. Some people just need to be hurtful, It's a sickness.

382 Killian Bundy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:21:58pm

re: #371 pat

9 very illusory points. obama grows tiresome quickly.

/I'd feel much better if it was McCain up by nine

383 little boomer  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:05pm

Just read 375-never mind!

384 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:10pm

Do our guys serving overseas have access to absentee voting ballots?

385 FlakMusic  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:23pm

re: #367 Boxy_brown

I REALLY concerned that this lying, pandering, appeasing socialist could actually become president. I am going to send McCain more money, maybe volunteer. I wish that y'all would do the same.

NEVER thought I'd do it, but Barry's rock concert in Berlin scared me so much I sent McCain a c-note.

386 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:26pm

re: #375 KSK

If you are German can you explain the song "Who the F* is Alice" that the German band sang in English. Never heard of it here.

387 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:28pm

re: #361 ErnieG

3.785

"Ernie" -

Thanks. - 6 Thumms -

388 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:44pm

KSK (#325),

1) Many people dislike Bush and wanted to show that they are not Anti-American
2) Two very popular music bands played for free. Throw in beer and sausages. For many it was just some entertainment.
3) They would have come for the Pope or Madonna as well, even the Protestants or those with a better music taste.
4) They were on their way home and Obama had blocked it.
5) 200000 people sounds a lot but when Germany LOST the soccer finals of Euro 2008 a million came to celebrate anyway.
6) There was some cheering, friendly clapping, but also a lot of silence. And many people went home puzzled with a WTF-look on their face.

Ooh geez, don't let JustMyView hear you say that, she just knows all the German people came to hear the Obama speak because he's so dreamy.

389 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:54pm

re: #360 Mich-again

Bush created a semblance of order in the world because nothing scares despots more than an irrational adversary.

Irrational meaning someone that wasn't willing to let the dictators continue to line their pockets with the help of the UN.

390 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:22:55pm

re: #375 KSK

349 Van Helsing

Yes I was. Not in the "inner circle" but with friends at a vantage point.

The music was free, the beer and sausages not (but cheap).

I'm going there for the first time in a few weeks. On way to India, Via Frankfurt (Lufthansa). With a 5 hour-layover and a US passport, should I try to venture out?

391 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:00pm

re: #345 astronmr20

$1 long island iced teas get astronmr20 REALLY drunk.

lol, this was in about 1986, and yes, for us poor enlisted guys, it was SWEET!

392 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:09pm

re: #361 ErnieG

3.785

OK now you guys are f'n with me.

393 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:12pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

I thought polar bears were quite proficient swimmers?

Send em floatation devices. Be cheaper.

394 DoubleU  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:24pm

re: #36 Mich-again

Apparently the corporation I work for isn't so greedy. We still pay 50 cents.

The last evil corporation I worked for had it for free, and had flavored coffee creamers.

395 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:30pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

I thought polar bears were quite proficient swimmers?

They are. That commercial is bullshit.

396 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:55pm

re: #301 MJ

I won't be telling because I'd rather the recipient of the scorn not find out.

397 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:23:58pm

re: #331 kevinmumaw

Interesting Polls: Congress lowest approval in Gallup Poll history - 14%

Americans Rate Personal Lives well, U.S. Poorly

It seems that 86% of Americans think they are doing pretty well, and that just sucks. or at least they heard on MSNBC that some other people they aren't really sure exist or not are on the edge of dying. Therefore they rate the economy as bad. Because that is what they heard.

Congress was at 9% a few weeks ago.

398 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:24:10pm

re: #347 kansas

Interesting Polls: Congress lowest approval in Gallup Poll history - 14%

My bet is that a majority of voters think the Republicans control congress.

And it's funny how the media always refers to "the unpopular war" and "the unpopular President" but never "the unpopular Congress". I wonder why? Are they biased toward Democrats? Nah, can't be.

399 Wm T Sherman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:24:10pm

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

You have to keep fighting no matter what you think the outcome will be. The way things seem to you know now is no accurate indication of the outcome. "Fog of war" and all that. Battles are often won by people who had thought they were done for.

Look at it this way:

People already pretty much know Mccain's shortcomings - they've had years to find out.

Obama, on the other hand, produces new problems for himself almost every day. At one time, almost nobody kbody knew about the close associations with Rev. Wright., Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko etc. We didn't know about Obama's limited ability to speak publicly without prepared material. We didn't realize he had an incompetently managed web site full of insane comments. By and large, we didn't know how deep was his ignorance, how great his arrogance. He's making mistakes and he can't or won't stop. His handlers can't stop it -- and it's often the same mistakes, repeated. What dirty laundry is going to be exposed next -- I look forward to it.

Finally, three words: "Dewey Defeats Truman."

400 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:24:22pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

The lesson I've learned is to not say anything on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face in the meat world. Some people use the anonymity of the internet as some sort of sick loophole in the morality of normal human conduct. Some people just need to be hurtful, It's a sickness.

"K-T" -

FYI - There is at times stuff I post with Charles that do NOT appear on the blog. -S-

401 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:24:36pm

re: #328 Dr. Shalit

"Mich" -

ONE - It's THE LONELIEST NUMBER. That is all.

-S-

Two can be as bad as one
it's the loneliest number
since the number one
-ber

402 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:24:41pm

AND YOU WON'T! "Search Engine" the crowd - was more like 20,000. Feeding and "Watering" 200,000 people - in Euros - is quite expensive.

Well would have been fair enough since Berliners have to pay for all the security measures that cost as much as for a sitting U.S. president.

403 soccerdad  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:25:04pm

re: #8 Perplexed

Fantasy, until election day.

Okaaay. Now someone starting to believe. McCain electoral landslide. I'm telling ya...people are going to get into that closed voting booth and just not be able to pull the lever for such a liberal. And they'll vote for the other (less liberal) liberal.

404 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:25:42pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

The lesson I've learned is to not say anything on the internet that you wouldn't say to someone's face in the meat world. Some people use the anonymity of the internet as some sort of sick loophole in the morality of normal human conduct. Some people just need to be hurtful, It's a sickness.

On that note.

There are some really sick individuals out there, folks. Small wonder Jeff wants to hang it up.

405 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:25:50pm

re: #403 soccerdad

Okaaay. Now someone starting to believe. McCain electoral landslide. I'm telling ya...people are going to get into that closed voting booth and just not be able to pull the lever for such a liberal. And they'll vote for the other (less liberal) liberal.

We can only hope.

406 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:25:52pm

re: #394 DoubleU

The last evil corporation I worked for had it for free, and had flavored coffee creamers.

It's still free at my evil multinational, but no sissy flavored creamers, and they took away the tea and hot chocolate mix.

407 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:04pm

re: #397 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Congress was at 9% a few weeks ago.

Can we send them on a European tour?

408 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:07pm

re: #256 Josephine

That's it! Where is reine.de.tout? She must immediately pass a law banning all TV sets from the land, hereupon, tout de suite, now and forevermore.

I'm off to bed, to sleep, perchance to dream of a land without sound bites and a people not easily ensnared by a pretty face and parseltongue.

Heh. Wish I could . . .

409 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:21pm

re: #401 Capitalist Tool

Two can be as bad as one
it's the loneliest number
since the number one
-ber

"Cap" -

Love it - AND - Have all 'y'all ever been stung by a Dead Bee?

-S-

410 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:24pm

he is a proud citizen of the WORLD. that is not going to play well in small town u.s.a.

411 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:36pm

re: #403 soccerdad

Okaaay. Now someone starting to believe. McCain electoral landslide. I'm telling ya...people are going to get into that closed voting booth and just not be able to pull the lever for such a liberal. And they'll vote for the other (less liberal) liberal.

I heard this, "Given the choise between a liberal and a liberal, people will chose a liberal every time."

412 ErnieG  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:40pm

re: #270 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

The World Wrestling Federation is collecting for polar bears?

If the World Wildlife fund and the World Wrestling Federation are confused, THIS can result.

413 CanuckInMI  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:41pm

Polls Polls Polls. There is only one polls that counts. The one on election day. For all the others an agenda is attached, which will skew the results in favour of the viewpoint of the person paying for the poll.

My favourite British sitcom was Yes Minister/Yes Prime Minister. Here is a little comedy that points out the weaknesses in polling results.

414 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:43pm

re: #367 Boxy_brown

I REALLY concerned that this lying, pandering, appeasing socialist could actually become president. I am going to send McCain more money, maybe volunteer. I wish that y'all would do the same.


We could be more broke than we are this year but I have sent a little and plan on doing it again soon. Obama scares the hell out of me too.

BTW your nic is hilarious.

415 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:26:59pm

OT - but here are the headlines for the top stories as I just opened yahoo

Bombs strike Istanbul neighborhood, killing 15 (AP)
Islamic group claims India blasts that killed 45 (AP)
Gunmen in Iraq kill 7 Shiites en route to shrine (AP)
Experts study whether oxygen tank exploded on jet (AP)
Brother: Karadzic appeal has been filed (AP)
Threat in NIreland highest in six years: report (AFP)

To only be about 1/5th to 1/6th the people on the planet, they sure can do a lion's share of the killing.

416 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:05pm

re: #54 Perplexed

You're correct. Most of the Germans in attendance were there for the beer and bratwurst.

But not for the 54-Double-Ds?

417 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:09pm

re: #375 KSK

I didn't hear any of that on the MSM outlets. It kind of changes the whole 'huge crowd turns out for Obama' thing. I was in Munich for Oktoberfest last year (Bavaria is beautiful, by the way) and it seems to me that the reporting we would have heard if he'd shown up there would have been 'huge crowd turns out for Obama'.

If there was no music would the crowd have been that large? Didn't Obama do that in the states, too? Some band that plays the International as the opening for their show?

I'd look but I'm lazy. And old. And getting grumpy-er.

418 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:11pm

re: #325 KSK

i was watching and wondering if many were thinking ...there's those darn arrogant americans again.

419 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:41pm
420 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:41pm

re: #378 Carridine

LMAO!

/you naught, NAUGHTY boy! :D

Hehehehe well that was when unfiltered cigarettes were .31 a pack and filtered were .32 a pack. Even at that ridiculous price, they still noticed they were paying more for smokes....

421 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:44pm

re: #381 Killgore Trout

I think I know the site you are talking about and I have been there also

422 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:27:51pm

re: #414 Pvt Bin Jammin
pimf, couldn't.

423 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:28:04pm

re: #412 ErnieG

If the World Wildlife fund and the World Wrestling Federation are confused, THIS can result.

"Ernie" -

BLOODY SUPER! -S-

424 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:28:04pm

Anyone seen trailers for that movie "swing vote" coming out? Looks pretty interesting.

425 FlakMusic  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:28:10pm

re: #402 KSK

Well would have been fair enough since Berliners have to pay for all the security measures that cost as much as for a sitting U.S. president.

Prepare yourselves fellow citizens of the world. The days of a sitting US president are over.

This one will shoot cool layups.

426 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:28:11pm

and he apologized to the germans. wtf.
they were the perps in ww2.
that's not going to play well in small town u.s.a.

427 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:28:16pm

re: #386 Mich-again

WATCH IT MICH. I was born in Benshiem (sp) W. Germany somewhere in the south I think? Parents came over in mid fifties. I was 10 months . pb10

428 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:28:49pm
429 jorline  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:02pm

Looks like it's time for McCain to lace-up his tennies and sink 3 or 4 three pointers...do not let Barry get a double digit lead.

430 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:04pm

re: #389 CyanSnowHawk

Irrational meaning someone that wasn't willing to let the dictators continue to line their pockets with the help of the UN.

Oh there is still plenty of that going on. Ha. But at least one of them is dead and not waiting for a trial in the Hague. Maybe that had something to do with it. The Texan with the hangin rope!

431 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:09pm

re: #384 outsidephilly
They have to request them. Since I have POA for my son, he's requested one.

432 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:12pm

re: #380 reine.de.tout

I thought polar bears were quite proficient swimmers?

I've heard they can swim 100 miles.... 50 out and 50 back. Sounds like a good Olympic contest, huh?

433 jaunte  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:21pm

200,000 . . . or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin
[Link: www.worldpoliticsreview.com...]

"As the Berlin-based writer Christian J. Heinrich notes: "During the big anti-Bush demonstration after the fall of Baghdad, there were 250,000 people. And it looked totally different from yesterday. Then, you couldn't move all the way from the Brandenburg Gate to the Technical University [on the western side of Tiergarten park, another kilometer beyond the Siegessäule]."

434 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:51pm

re: #409 Dr. Shalit

"Cap" -

Love it - AND - Have all 'y'all ever been stung by a Dead Bee?

-S-

Well, theoretically, all bee stings are by bees which are about to be dead.
or, did you just zip one right past me?

435 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:51pm

OK Everyone -

MY Computer Guru will be here within 5 minutes. Must sign off. NYTOL!

-S-

436 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:29:55pm

i can't stand the anti-american pompous son of a bitch.

437 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:30:11pm

re: #425 FlakMusic

Prepare yourselves fellow citizens of the world. The days of a sitting US president are over.

This one will shoot cool layups.

And he does 70 lb. one-arm curls. When he's not busy with the Senate Banking Committee, and stopping the oceans from rising.

438 Ledger1  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:30:14pm

Call me skeptical but the “bounce” is just artificial.

1. Obama left the USA to “campaign” where the population cannot vote.

2. Obama returns to campaign where the population can vote.

My conclusion: The 24 hour news cycle is now getting around to selectively sampling his catatonic groupies who can vote. This blip will quickly fade as he lies to his constituents who will become more angered by his butt kissing tactics to various sub-groups.

In short, he does better when he is out of the country and unable to double-cross of his so called “Change and Hope” base.

439 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:30:22pm

Iron Fist Rules invoked. I'm disgusted with humanity.
/G'nite, y'all.

440 Geepers  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:30:40pm

ploome (#428),

I can paint a room, intstall a toilet and repair the tile in the kitchen

Can you come over to my house?

441 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:30:42pm

re: #429 jorline

Looks like it's time for McCain to lace-up his tennies and sink 3 or 4 three pointers...do not let Barry get a double digit lead.

BS.

Challenge Barry to a Skyhawk race.

442 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:30:46pm

re: #431 Van Helsing

They have to request them. Since I have POA for my son, he's requested one.

. . . , you'd think BHO would have handed them out while he was over there (the absentee voting ballots, that is)

443 Dr. Shalit  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:31:14pm

re: #434 Capitalist Tool

Well, theoretically, all bee stings are by bees which are about to be dead.
or, did you just zip one right past me?

Cap -

WILL ANSWER - then get gone - Old Line By Walter Brennan - "Search Engine" it.

-S-

444 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:31:17pm

re: #416 Macker

But not for the 54-Double-Ds?

Melina Velba? What?

/don't ask
//a weirdo buddy sent me a link
/// ?!?

445 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:31:57pm

re: #413 CanuckInMI

Polls Polls Polls. There is only one polls that counts. The one on election day.

Not so fast. This is the only one that counts.

Electors meet in their respective state capitals (or in the case of Washington, D.C., within the District) on the first Monday after the second Wednesday in December, at which time they cast their electoral votes on separate ballots for President and Vice President.

446 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:32:14pm

re: #431 Van Helsing

They have to request them. Since I have POA for my son, he's requested one.


Where is your son serving? How is he doing?

447 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:32:27pm

re: #428 ploome hineni

I watch HGTV,

I can paint a room, intstall a toilet and repair the tile in the kitchen

:P

yes, but can you bring home the bacon, serve it up in a pan?

Oh, wait . . . never mind.

I love to paint, will be doing a couple of rooms soon. Toilet? The Roi can handle that one . . .

448 Alouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:32:41pm

re: #390 astronmr20

I'm going there for the first time in a few weeks. On way to India, Via Frankfurt (Lufthansa). With a 5 hour-layover and a US passport, should I try to venture out?

My husband and I had an 8-hour layover in Frankfurt on our trip to Israel in November '07, and we decided to leave the airport and do some touring. We found the old Jewish neighborhood and a kosher restaurant. The synagogue and the restaurant were both heavily guarded and we had to go through security (because of recent anti-Semitic attacks). The security guard (an Israeli) refused to speak German, so we spoke Hebrew.

We were back at the airport in time for our flight back to the U.S. but it was exhausting.

449 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:33:10pm

re: #429 jorline

Looks like it's time for McCain to lace-up his tennies and sink 3 or 4 three pointers...do not let Barry get a double digit lead.

He'll have to shoot the old fashioned underhand set shot. Can't raise his arms for the jumper for some reason.

450 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:33:19pm

re: #402 KSK

AND YOU WON'T! "Search Engine" the crowd - was more like 20,000. Feeding and "Watering" 200,000 people - in Euros - is quite expensive.

Well would have been fair enough since Berliners have to pay for all the security measures that cost as much as for a sitting U.S. president.

Sorry Dude, It sucks that your tax money had to go to protecting that Marxist.

451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:34:01pm

Polls are dumb.

452 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:34:35pm

re: #451 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Polls are dumb.

Like the majority of voters?

453 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:34:40pm

re: #419 ploome hineni

guess what?

yooooooohoooooooo

Now we're talkin'!

454 soccerdad  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:34:40pm

re: #386 Mich-again


If I'm thinking of the right song, there is a song simply called Alice. It is sung by an Irish band here in the Philly area. (I do not think it is theirs). It's about unrequited love, and starts out with Alice (who is this guy's neighbor) moving away and he never got (or took the) chance to tell her he loved her.

Anyway, when sung live, the word Alice, or alice's house, ends a lot of the lines, and the crown just screams, "Alice? Who the F is Alice?" its a fun, crowd participation song.

455 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:34:47pm

"Say, was you ever bit by a dead bee?…You know, you got to be careful of dead bees if you’re goin’ around barefooted, ’cause if you step on them they can sting you just as bad as if they was alive, especially if they was kind of mad when they got killed. I bet I been bit a hundred times that way."
Walter Brennan as “Eddie” in To Have and Have Not

456 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:34:49pm

re: #398 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican

And it's funny how the media always refers to "the unpopular war" and "the unpopular President" but never "the unpopular Congress". I wonder why? Are they biased toward Democrats? Nah, can't be.

Next up - the mortgage or bank failure "crisis" will be created by the media to paint an economy in chaos.

I encourage everyone to click on this link and save this graph to show everyone over the next few months when each and every failed bank makes headlines, and we hear phrases like "biggest ever!" or "worst in X years!".

2008 is about normal for every year of the last century, except the Depression and the S&L of the '80s/'90s.

457 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:35:02pm

re: #449 The Shadow Do

He'll have to shoot the old fashioned underhand set shot. Can't raise his arms for the jumper for some reason.

It has to do with his 5 years as a POW.... REAL torture from some of the best. I was sickened seeing him all palsy walsy with his jailer!

458 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:35:26pm

re: #452 kansas

Like the majority of voters?

If the polls are right? Yes.

459 soccerdad  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:35:30pm

re: #405 Bobblehead

We can only hope.

don't hope, got to Ladbrokes and put your money where my mouth is. I'm going to drop $100.

460 jorline  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:35:40pm

re: #441 OldLineTexan

BS.

Challenge Barry to a Skyhawk race.

lightsabers do you pick?

/yoda

461 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:35:53pm

re: #454 soccerdad

Thats it. Thanks.

462 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:35:55pm

re: #390 astronmr20
I would guess you would have to clear customs twice if you exited the gate zone.
Can't speak for Frankfurt but my experience at Munich (Franz Josef?) caused me some distress as they had an additional checkpoint just before the gates where I got personally searched (again). Of course, I'm a long haired weirdo-freak so maybe it was spayshul just for me.

Probably not.

463 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:36:14pm

re: #412 ErnieG

If the World Wildlife fund and the World Wrestling Federation are confused, THIS can result.

LOL!

464 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:36:26pm

re: #425 FlakMusic

And need medical attention shortly thereafter.

465 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:36:27pm

re: #424 astronmr20

Anyone seen trailers for that movie "swing vote" coming out? Looks pretty interesting.

If it is anything but LLL propaganda, painting the conservatives as greedy, rich, heartless, hypocrites then I'll eat my hat.

466 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:36:28pm

re: #439 Killgore Trout

Good night dude

467 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:36:48pm

re: #374 kansas

And who was partially responsible for that? Our good friends at the radical group A.C.O.R.N. St. Louis is a big ACORN town. Obama's turnout here is going to make Saddam Hussein's election numbers look modest.

468 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:37:41pm
469 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:37:49pm

re: #456 Silhouette

didnt soros have something to do with bank collapse in britain?

470 jorline  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:37:54pm

re: #449 The Shadow Do

He'll have to shoot the old fashioned underhand set shot. Can't raise his arms for the jumper for some reason.

Wilt Chamberlain free-throws.

471 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:38:06pm

re: #430 Mich-again

Oh there is still plenty of that going on. Ha. But at least one of them is dead and not waiting for a trial in the Hague. Maybe that had something to do with it. The Texan with the hangin rope!

The others saw how it happened, and realized that if they get too uppity, they could be next, and not be able to do anything about it.

472 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:38:10pm

Charles,

I hate to complain, but I just noticed my comment #216 got deleted. You run a world-class site and I admire you, But I would like a explanation why it was deleted. It was nothing more then a personal remembrance about a commercial that ran on a Chicago TV station. I don't believe that there was anything bad or delete-worthy about what I said. I don't believe there was any foul language or anything inappropriate in it. Thanks for your time.


CDWT

473 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:38:15pm

Polls four months before an election...

Tits on a boar...

474 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:38:34pm
475 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:39:02pm

re: #467 Palandine

And who was partially responsible for that? Our good friends at the radical group A.C.O.R.N. St. Louis is a big ACORN town. Obama's turnout here is going to make Saddam Hussein's election numbers look modest.


KC is a big ACORN town too. Bambi will get more votes than registered voters.

476 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:39:19pm

re: #388 Geepers

KSK (#325),


Ooh geez, don't let JustMyView hear you say that, she just knows all the German people came to hear the Obama speak because he's so dreamy.

I tend towards "nightmare".

477 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:39:33pm

re: #469 willowone

didnt soros have something to do with bank collapse in britain?

He tried to break the Bank of England. He was shorting the Pound to retaliate for the UK refusing to adopt the Euro, IIRC.

478 Racer X  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:40:09pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

Phone number?

479 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:40:15pm
480 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:40:16pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

Charles,

I hate to complain, but I just noticed my comment #216 got deleted. You run a world-class site and I admire you, But I would like a explanation why it was deleted. It was nothing more then a personal remembrance about a commercial that ran on a Chicago TV station. I don't believe that there was anything bad or delete-worthy about what I said. I don't believe there was any foul language or anything inappropriate in it. Thanks for your time.


CDWT


Don't disagree with the powers that be.

481 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:40:41pm

and he didn't go to visit our wounded soldiers.
that is unforgivable. despicable. and he wants to be their commander in chief.

482 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:40:47pm

re: #457 Gumby

It has to do with his 5 years as a POW.... REAL torture from some of the best. I was sickened seeing him all palsy walsy with his jailer!

Displays a lot of character. The particular jailer was not one his torturers by the way. I took it he was more one of the day to day screws. McCain in recent years has not had particularly pleasant expressions for some of the real bad ones. the use of the word "slope" was criticized some time back if I remember correctly.

483 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:40:52pm

#390 astronmr20

5 hours in Frankfurt would be enough for a quick look. Border formalities are a breeze, nothing compared to US immigration.

If you like prime art just take a taxi to the

[Link: www.staedelmuseum.de...]

If you prefer a hearty meal with apple wine and a good time take a taxi to Sachsenhausen.

(do not drink too much or you will miss your flight)

484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:41:18pm

re: #480 kansas

Don't disagree with the powers that be.

I think that he/she asked nicely. Didn't sound disagreeable to me.

485 reine.de.tout  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:41:32pm

re: #479 ploome hineni

I will vote for the first time, in this election

wooo hooo

A new citizen? Congrats!

486 avspatti  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:41:42pm

re: #75 Mich-again

My folks are loyal AARPublicans. But if the Gallup pollsters ever called them they wouldn't give them the time o' day. Not everyone is willing to answer questions to strangers on the phone, particularly the elderly who don't care much for talking on the phone in the first place.

AMEN!

487 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:41:45pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

Charles,

I hate to complain, but I just noticed my comment #216 got deleted. You run a world-class site and I admire you, But I would like a explanation why it was deleted. It was nothing more then a personal remembrance about a commercial that ran on a Chicago TV station. I don't believe that there was anything bad or delete-worthy about what I said. I don't believe there was any foul language or anything inappropriate in it. Thanks for your time.


CDWT

I was also wondering why it was deleted.

488 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:41:46pm

re: #484 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think that he/she asked nicely. Didn't sound disagreeable to me.

Did I say that?

489 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:06pm

One thing about polling data that cracks me up. They always report a margin of error, and next week the numbers are outside last weeks margin of error. So we are to believe that "X" number of people actually change their minds from week to week.

490 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:09pm
491 ErnieG  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:29pm
re: #467 Palandine
And who was partially responsible for that? Our good friends at the radical group A.C.O.R.N. St. Louis is a big ACORN town. Obama's turnout here is going to make Saddam Hussein's election numbers look modest.


KC is a big ACORN town too. Bambi will get more votes than registered voters.


Hmmm. I had been wondering what a "community organizer" did.

492 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:32pm

re: #446 outsidephilly

Where is your son serving? How is he doing?

He's done his first tour in Iraq and is back Ft Hood for now. Likely when his second tour comes around he'll be going to A-stan.

He looks forward to it (garrison duty sucks) but I don't like the idea of mountains in the winter - ain't good for desert rats.

493 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:38pm

Jake Tapper: "...the American flag on (Obama's) airplane's tail has been replaced with a Big Red O."

So now we start The Story of O, eh?

/might explain why so many find him 'sexy'

494 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:45pm

re: #478 Racer X

Damn, I forgot about the phone number rule. Good point. My fault. I accept the deletion now.

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:42:53pm

re: #488 kansas

Did I say that?

Probably not.

496 Racer X  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:04pm

Don't count Hillary out.

497 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:04pm

re: #474 ploome hineni

seems we have heard this one before?

non?

From your link:

Nevertheless, McCain has emphasized that the city's final status is subject to negotiation despite his own position on the matter. It remains to be determined whether his promise to act in accordance with the recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital would come to fruition were he elected.

In other words, if McCain wins and genuinelyl thinks this way, the State Department will to everything in their power to undercut him. And he knows this.

498 Purple Prose  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:06pm

re: #341 garycooper

"He’s young and inexperienced and he’s got a funny name. And did I mention he’s black?"

/sarc

"Sarcasm Seen as Evolutionary Survival Skill"
[Link: www.livescience.com...]

He is a cynical SOB, isn't he? He's already older than JFK was when JFK was elected, so he's is not making history there.

Black? He is only half-black, and the black half is not African-American in the sense of being descended from slaves. He is just another American mutt, whose mother's family has been in the US a long time and has English ancestry and whose father was a foreign exchange student. But his father bequeathed him with his name and made him "black," even though the man abandoned the kid when the kid was two years old.

As far as a funny name, yeah, it's a funny name for a guy running for president. But in the né Gerald Rivers and changed his name to Geraldo Rivero era, having a funny name is cool. Except the Hussein part, but then until the Gulf War, Hussein probably didn't connote much to Americans. Lucky for him to be born in the 60s and come of age in this era. In the past, Jews and others had to change their name to sound less foreign to get a job.

The man is all ambition. He will use any stratagem that seems expedient to fulfill his ambition. He seems to have little else besides his ambition. If he has some core beliefs, he has yet to make these clear.

Obama is smart, but maybe not that smart. He tries to make questions about his lack of experience and worldview and leanings into an attack on youth or funny name or race, but it's all a ruse. A lot of people see through it. So the question remaining is: how good a politician is he? Can he outfox enough Americans by conning his way into the White House or will his games be transparent to the majority of voting Americans on November 4, 2008?

499 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:15pm
500 Miss Molly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:26pm

It is a worry that "The Obama" might actually get elected. I just hope the solid good sense of the American people will see him for exactly what he is, a total phony.

501 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:46pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

I saw it was deleated. I don't know why.

502 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:48pm

re: #494 chicagodudewhotrades

Very good rule at that.

503 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:49pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

Charles,

I hate to complain, but I just noticed my comment #216 got deleted. You run a world-class site and I admire you, But I would like a explanation why it was deleted. It was nothing more then a personal remembrance about a commercial that ran on a Chicago TV station. I don't believe that there was anything bad or delete-worthy about what I said. I don't believe there was any foul language or anything inappropriate in it. Thanks for your time.


CDWT

Phone number. Check the guidelines above.

504 Truck Monkey  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:43:59pm

re: #449 The Shadow Do

He'll have to shoot the old fashioned underhand set shot. Can't raise his arms for the jumper for some reason.

He can thank his N. Vietnamese captors for his current condition.

505 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:44:23pm

,,, and that's why, to this day... you'll never see a shark with monkey arms.

506 YankeeBoy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:44:30pm

take a break and listen to some music.

507 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:44:43pm

re: #490 ploome hineni

:D

yes

wow, congtats ploome.

508 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:45:08pm

re: #493 Carridine

Jake Tapper: "...the American flag on (Obama's) airplane's tail has been replaced with a Big Red O."

So now we start The Story of O, eh?

/might explain why so many find him 'sexy'

My goodness, who knew Ba'hais could be so deliciously naughty? :)

That's some compelling, em, literature...

509 Gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:45:14pm

re: #505 Occasional Reader

,,, and that's why, to this day... you'll never see a shark with monkey arms.

Mythbusters?

510 Archimedes  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:45:22pm

re: #225 KSK

Think of it this way, he's referring to the particular Germans who were fawning, not to all Germans.

511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:45:25pm

Which "Mutiny On The Bounty" is better, the one with Brando or the later one with Gibson?

512 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:45:45pm

re: #500 Miss Molly

The Nation will survive. We might have to sell Alaska to the Canadians for cash, but we'll make it.
/

513 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:00pm

re: #511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Which "Mutiny On The Bounty" is better, the one with Brando or the later one with Gibson?

The one with the naked chicks.

514 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:24pm

re: #503 CyanSnowHawk

Phone number. Check the guidelines above.

I missed seeing the phone number

515 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:24pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

Dude, check your e-mail.

516 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:40pm

re: #511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Which "Mutiny On The Bounty" is better, the one with Brando or the later one with Gibson?

Gibson's has nekkid island girls.

Brando's has more acting.

/

517 YankeeBoy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:40pm

Evening Folks

518 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:46:46pm

re: #508 Palandine
I only read the Cliff Notes...

/honest

519 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:47:33pm

re: #511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Try the one with Clark Gable and Charles Laughton. Superior to either of the ones you mentioned.

520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:47:40pm

re: #490 ploome hineni

:D

yes

Hell, you are already a smarter American than I am. Welcome.

Wait! I forgot, I am on this racist site.

Where are you from? Should I automatically hate you? Be suspicious of you? All of the sudden I am afraid!

521 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:47:50pm

re: #499 ploome hineni

Did you just become a Citizen? Congrats!
And thanks for the kind words regarding the kid.

522 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:47:51pm

re: #509 Gearhead

Mythbusters?

Homer Simpson, finishing a bedtime story.

523 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:47:56pm

re: #483 KSK

#390 astronmr20

5 hours in Frankfurt would be enough for a quick look. Border formalities are a breeze, nothing compared to US immigration.

If you like prime art just take a taxi to the

[Link: www.staedelmuseum.de...]

If you prefer a hearty meal with apple wine and a good time take a taxi to Sachsenhausen.

(do not drink too much or you will miss your flight)

Thanks!

Will heed the advice. Was mainly concerned with getting out and back in.

524 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:48:02pm

Evening Lizards!

100 days, 9 points!

525 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:48:23pm

re: #511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Which "Mutiny On The Bounty" is better, the one with Brando or the later one with Gibson?

Brando but I'm sure my wife would say otherwise

526 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:48:43pm

re: #504 Truck Monkey

He can thank his N. Vietnamese captors for his current condition.

Yes.

527 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:48:48pm

re: #493 Carridine

Jake Tapper: "...the American flag on (Obama's) airplane's tail has been replaced with a Big Red O."

So now we start The Story of O, eh?

/might explain why so many find him 'sexy'

Now THAT'S a racy book.

528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:48:50pm

re: #513 kansas

The one with the naked chicks.

That was "Mutiny on the Boobies"

529 willowone  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:48:56pm

it feels strange to actually be afraid of a candidate , to even have a question in my mind about his fidelity to America, what a strange situation we are in.

530 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:06pm

433 jaunte

As a matter of fact 200000 sounds far too much for me. My personal estimate is 80000 but then again I wasn't watching from a helicopter.

But block 5th Avenue and tell the world: Oh they were all coming to see me.

531 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:15pm

re: #525 BBev

Brando but I'm sure my wife would say otherwise


Your wife likes the naked girls? Cool.

532 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:20pm

re: #368 Killian Bundy

That was a good read. Did you put it in the spinoffs?

533 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:34pm

re: #525 BBev

Brando but I'm sure my wife would say otherwise

Gibson was hotter.
/Palandine's a girl

534 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:35pm

re: #490 ploome hineni

re: #485 reine.de.tout

A new citizen? Congrats!

:D

yes

Congratulations, ploome!

Here's your theme song for the evening!

535 pat  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:36pm

re: #382 Killian Bundy

true, but at least this has caused McCain to reevaluate the GOP. He is finding he needs actual conservatives. a sampling at Michelle Malkins site shows huge hatred for MCCain. if McCain thinks illegals, McCain Fiengold, global warming will get him in office he is an idiot

536 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:49pm

re: #528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was "Mutiny on the Boobies"


I liked it. A lot.

537 jaunte  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:49:58pm

re: #530 KSK

Ha! That's an apt comparison.

538 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:50:07pm

re: #532 Noam Sayin'

Yes. Yes you did put it in the spinoffs.

539 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:50:08pm

re: #529 willowone

it feels strange to actually be afraid of a candidate , to even have a question in my mind about his fidelity to America, what a strange situation we are in.

Amen, brutha.

Kerry was a run-of-the-mill douchebag, but O gives me the willies.

540 pat  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:50:14pm

re: #516 OldLineTexan

Gibson's has nekkid island girls.

Brando's has more acting.

/

So your saying Gibson. Got it.

541 Noam Sayin'  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:51:12pm

re: #538 Noam Sayin'

Yes. Yes you did put it in the spinoffs.

And, Jay777... That's what "Related to Post" means. Stop spamming your blog.

542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:51:14pm

Bedtime!

G'night John-Boy!

543 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:51:32pm

re: #520 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, you are already a smarter American than I am. Welcome.

Wait! I forgot, I am on this racist site.

Where are you from? Should I automatically hate you? Be suspicious of you? All of the sudden I am afraid!

Just cling to your gun and you'll pull through.

544 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:51:35pm

re: #534 Occasional Reader

Congratulations, ploome!

Here's your theme song for the evening!

Yankee Doodle Ploome?

545 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:51:44pm

re: #540 pat

So your saying Gibson. Got it.


That's what I say.

546 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:51:54pm

re: #492 Van Helsing

He's done his first tour in Iraq and is back Ft Hood for now. Likely when his second tour comes around he'll be going to A-stan.

He looks forward to it (garrison duty sucks) but I don't like the idea of mountains in the winter - ain't good for desert rats.


Hope to hear more about him over time . . . , meanwhile our gang here will be thinking/praying for him (and you) :o)

547 astronmr20  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:52:07pm

re: #535 pat

true, but at least this has caused McCain to reevaluate the GOP. He is finding he needs actual conservatives. a sampling at Michelle Malkins site shows huge hatred for MCCain. if McCain thinks illegals, McCain Fiengold, global warming will get him in office he is an idiot

Gotta say, ain't no blogger right now that is doing it like Michelle when it comes to pointing out his disregard for conservatives...

She does great work.

548 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:52:09pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bedtime!

G'night John-Boy!

G'night Fat Bastard Vegetarian

549 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:52:23pm

re: #528 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was "Mutiny on the Boobies"

Oh man I could get so x rated with that one,,,, but I won't

550 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:52:47pm

re: #542 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Bedtime!

G'night John-Boy!

John-Boy?

John-BOY!

John-Boy! what are you doing?

551 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:53:16pm

re: #535 pat

true, but at least this has caused McCain to reevaluate the GOP. He is finding he needs actual conservatives. a sampling at Michelle Malkins site shows huge hatred for MCCain. if McCain thinks illegals, McCain Fiengold, global warming will get him in office he is an idiot

Way too much frothing from the hard right. Very self-defeating and not really very smart.

552 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:53:21pm

523 astronmr20

The airport transfer won't be a problem but with security measures you probably need to be back 90 minutes before the plane leaves although 60 might be ok with baggage checked in and a boarding card.

553 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:53:39pm

re: #550 OldLineTexan

John-Boy?

John-BOY!

John-Boy! what are you doing?

You clingin' to yer gun agin John Boy?

554 Quilly Mammoth  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:53:44pm

OT--The AP has been posting in it's reports on the horrific killings at a UU church in Knoxville the following:


The gunman's motive is not yet known. The church, like many other Unitarian Universalist churches, promotes progressive social work, such as desegregation and fighting for the rights of women and gays. The Knoxville congregation has provided sanctuary for political refugees, fed the homeless and founded a chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union, according to its Web site.

Kemper said the gunman shouted before he opened fire.

"It was hateful words. He was saying hateful things," she said, but refused to elaborate

Leads one to think that maybe some wingnut Christian type went on a rampage. The truth seems to be that the killer actually hated Christians.

"He had his own sense of belief about religion, that's the impression I got of him," said neighbor Karen Massey. "We were talking one day when my daughter graduated from Bible college, and I told him I was a Christian, then he almost turned angry.

"He seemed to get angry at that."

Says an awful lot about the AP that they would put pure speculation in a piece like this. In reality it seems to be a random act of nuttiness at church picked at random.

555 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:54:07pm

re: #550 OldLineTexan

John-Boy?

John-BOY!

John-Boy! what are you doing?

Don't worry, he's allll alone!

556 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:54:11pm

re: #545 kansas

That's what I say.

Ack...Please! Gable and Laughton! Those other 2 Mutinys pale in comparison.

557 lawhawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:54:37pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

Phone numbers are a no-no.

558 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:54:42pm

re: #534 Occasional Reader

Congratulations, ploome!

Here's your theme song for the evening!

Ranks right up there with "Make 'Em Laugh" from "Singing in the Rain". The two greatest solo performances/dance/vocal in movie history. (IMHO).

559 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:55:23pm

re: #556 Bobblehead

Ack...Please! Gable and Laughton! Those other 2 Mutinys pale in comparison.

Hey, we're talking boobies here.

560 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:55:31pm

I'm starting my second week of vacation, man this feels good.

561 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:55:55pm

re: #347 kansas

You're probably right. If people are smart enough to even be able to identify the two major parties anymore. To busy getting wasted, tattoos and posting inane videos to YouTube. I went to go see Dark Knight this afternoon at 1:30 in the afternoon. Some loser behind me stumbled out, slammed into a wall, and tumbled down the stairs. He came back into the theater the same way he left about 30 minutes later. WTF is wrong with people today? Who is wasted at 1:30 on a Sunday afternoon? JFC!

562 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:56:41pm

re: #560 BBev

I'm starting my second week of vacation, man this feels good.

I had a three-week vacation once...by the third week, I was actually vacationing, if you get my meaning.

563 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:56:48pm

By the way, in the nonfiction book "Collapse" by Jared Diamond (of "Guns, Germs, and Steel" fame), there's an interesting discussion of the inhabitants of Pitcairn Island both before and after the Bounty mutineers arrived.

I go back and forth on the actual point Diamond's trying to make in the book, but the descriptions of the collapse of various societies is truly fascinating.

564 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:57:00pm

re: #527 astronmr20

Now THAT'S a racy book.


I was wondering when someone would play the racy card, Astro!

Seriously, though, the Story of O'bama seems quite like a porn movie... noise at rythmic, regular intervals... intimate details which may or may not be pleasant to know... little dialogue of interest... and the star seems only too human, after all...

565 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:57:01pm

re: #397 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Congress was at 9% a few weeks ago.

Different poll. This is Gallup.

566 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:57:15pm

re: #561 kevinmumaw

You're probably right. If people are smart enough to even be able to identify the two major parties anymore. To busy getting wasted, tattoos and posting inane videos to YouTube. I went to go see Dark Knight this afternoon at 1:30 in the afternoon. Some loser behind me stumbled out, slammed into a wall, and tumbled down the stairs. He came back into the theater the same way he left about 30 minutes later. WTF is wrong with people today? Who is wasted at 1:30 on a Sunday afternoon? JFC!

I don't know. I'm not gonna see that movie because I think it probably sucks big time. Being wasted..........starting to sound better all the time.

567 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:57:16pm

re: #549 BBev

Oh man I could get so x rated with that one,,,, but I won't

But these quotes are taken straight from the movie,

Captain William Bligh: Can you understand this, Mr. Byam? Discipline is the thing.
Lt. Fletcher Christian: He doesn't punish men for discipline. He likes to see men crawl.
Captain William Bligh: Mr. Christian!

568 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:57:32pm

re: #472 chicagodudewhotrades

867-5309

569 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:57:45pm

re: #563 Palandine

By the way, in the nonfiction book "Collapse" by Jared Diamond (of "Guns, Germs, and Steel" fame), there's an interesting discussion of the inhabitants of Pitcairn Island both before and after the Bounty mutineers arrived.

I go back and forth on the actual point Diamond's trying to make in the book, but the descriptions of the collapse of various societies is truly fascinating.

Diamond writes well. "Collapse" is not GG&S in terms of interest for me, but it was good.

570 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:58:23pm

re: #556 Bobblehead

Ack...Please! Gable and Laughton! Those other 2 Mutinys pale in comparison.

I'm looking forward to the upcoming Vin Diesel/Tom Arnold version.

/

571 jainphx  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:58:32pm

re: #156 Mich-again

Your Route was at hight, as was mine. I hope you had a better neighborhood then mine. Gave up that night stuff for a News route, my brother had a Times route. Man those were the days.

572 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:58:33pm

re: #515 Macker


Macker, I checked my email and have replied. Thanks, that is a good tip for the future.

573 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:58:47pm

re: #560 BBev

I'm starting my second week of vacation, man this feels good.

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

Yeah! rub our faces in it!

Staycation? or out somewhere fun?

574 Capitalist Tool  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:58:55pm

re: #570 Occasional Reader

I'm looking forward to the upcoming Vin Diesel/Tom Arnold version.

/

snick

575 Gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 7:59:38pm

re: #570 Occasional Reader

I'm looking forward to the upcoming Vin Diesel/Tom Arnold version.

/

Directed by Quentin Tarentino. Blood-soaked, exploding boobies.

576 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:00:04pm

re: #546 outsidephilly

Hope to hear more about him over time . . . , meanwhile our gang here will be thinking/praying for him (and you) :o)

Thanks for that. Some of my first postings here were in regard to him. I (hmm...) was occasionally over the line of good taste regarding the ROEs.
I appreciate the prayers. Means a lot to us.

577 winston06  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:00:12pm

First, polls are irrelevant. Second, he and McCain will be tied in a few weeks again. Third, McCain will win the elections, not in a landslide, but he will win any ways. American people don't like Marxists and they won't let them run a newbie Marxist run their great country

578 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:00:15pm

re: #415 Silhouette

OT - but here are the headlines for the top stories as I just opened yahoo

To only be about 1/5th to 1/6th the people on the planet, they sure can do a lion's share of the killing.

Don't worry, Obama assured us that terrorism is a result of poverty...with the oil boom, I'm, sure it will stop any second now............

579 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:00:34pm

re: #575 Gearhead

Directed by Quentin Tarentino. Blood-soaked, exploding boobies.

Mmmmm.....sounds interesting.

580 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:00:40pm

re: #570 Occasional Reader

I'm looking forward to the upcoming Vin Diesel/Tom Arnold version.

/

Please.

Tom Arnold is at his best with Ahnuld, and only with Ahnuld.

581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:01:44pm

re: #580 OldLineTexan

Please.

Tom Arnold is at his best with Ahnuld, and only with Ahnuld.

But Ahnuld is also good with DeVito.

582 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:02:03pm

re: #562 OldLineTexan

I had a three-week vacation once...by the third week, I was actually vacationing, if you get my meaning.

Ya week 3 is going to be real hard for me. not

583 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:02:18pm

Charles,


I want to apologize to you about questioning your deletion of my comment. I forgot about the no phone number rule. I accept the deletion now. It was my fault.

584 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:02:42pm

re: #563 Palandine

By the way, in the nonfiction book "Collapse" by Jared Diamond (of "Guns, Germs, and Steel" fame), there's an interesting discussion of the inhabitants of Pitcairn Island both before and after the Bounty mutineers arrived.

I go back and forth on the actual point Diamond's trying to make in the book, but the descriptions of the collapse of various societies is truly fascinating.

He's trying to say that Western Civilization is headed the same direction, but not the way you might be thinking.

Because we aren't socialist enough...

585 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:02:53pm

If anyone needs to see it, the Honor Killing thing on Fox has just started (MST).
Arizona don't do no commie daylight savings time. Easier in some ways, confusing in others.

586 avspatti  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:02:54pm

re: #180 outsidephilly

How is your son doing?
How long has he been in Afghanistan?
Would you let him know I thank him for his service, please?

I second that. Thanks.

587 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:03:11pm

re: #425 FlakMusic

This one will shoot cool layups.

If he were to ever get into a real game where the opposition was not under strict orders to not play defense, I assure you Obama's Sh** would have got destroyed. I'd f*** his sh** up.

588 pbird  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:03:20pm

re: #83 outsidephilly

I remember when gas was $.65 a gallon . . .

Hell, I remember a gas war in 1966 in which the price was .25 a gallon!

589 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:03:29pm

re: #554 Quilly MammothI hadn't watched the news today.

I live near here and I know some people who attended the UU church. And another who was talking about going last Friday.

590 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:04:07pm

ABC snooze just reported the Obamessiah had to have his hip x-rayed from playing too much basketball on his "world tour". He played for about 5 minutes as a photo-op. What a WUSS!

591 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:04:08pm

re: #581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I LIKE your suggestion, FBV!

I can see it now: "Mutiny on the Bounty", starring Ahnuld Schwarzenegger as Christian and Danny DeVito as Captain Queeg!

Wow!

/Tom Arnold fits in somewhere, too...

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:04:41pm

re: #588 pbird

"Back to the Future". MJ Fox fixes a gas price sign in the 50's, thinking the 1 goes before the decimal. Was a pretty funny bit.

593 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:04:45pm

re: #588 pbird

Hell, I remember a gas war in 1966 in which the price was .25 a gallon!

I remember 19 cents and taking up a collection to fill up my buddie's 64 409 SS Convertible. Beat that.

594 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:04:48pm

re: #567 CyanSnowHawk

But these quotes are taken straight from the movie,

Captain William Bligh: Can you understand this, Mr. Byam? Discipline is the thing.
Lt. Fletcher Christian: He doesn't punish men for discipline. He likes to see men crawl.
Captain William Bligh: Mr. Christian!

I really liked both movies but my favorite of all time is "The Man who Would be King"

595 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:05:04pm

re: #581 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But Ahnuld is also good with DeVito.

That's why Ahnuld is big bucks, DeVito is big yucks, and Tom Arnold is just a schmuck.

596 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:05:23pm

re: #433 jaunte

200,000 . . . or 20,000? Obama's Crowd in Berlin
[Link: www.worldpoliticsreview.com...]

"As the Berlin-based writer Christian J. Heinrich notes: "During the big anti-Bush demonstration after the fall of Baghdad, there were 250,000 people. And it looked totally different from yesterday. Then, you couldn't move all the way from the Brandenburg Gate to the Technical University [on the western side of Tiergarten park, another kilometer beyond the Siegessäule]."

I'm sure his surrogates are claiming 20 billion.

597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:05:39pm

re: #595 OldLineTexan

That's why Ahnuld is big bucks, DeVito is big yucks, and Tom Arnold is just a schmuck.

uck.

598 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:06:25pm

re: #597 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

uck.

F

599 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:06:26pm

re: #573 jcm

‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

Yeah! rub our faces in it!

Staycation? or out somewhere fun?

I live in New Hampshire, everywhere is fun

600 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:06:36pm

re: #594 BBev

I really liked both movies but my favorite of all time is "The Man who Would be King God"

Obama has a few rewrites for the remake.

601 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:06:39pm

re: #596 kevinmumaw

I'm sure his surrogates are claiming 20 billion.

There were 5000, but Obama turned them into 200,000, just before he fed them all with just 2 sausages and 5 beers.

602 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:06:44pm

re: #585 Van Helsing

If anyone needs to see it, the Honor Killing thing on Fox has just started (MST).
Arizona don't do no commie daylight savings time. Easier in some ways, confusing in others.

Hey, watch it, DST was Ben Franklin's baby.

603 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:07:01pm

Say Hey Lizards: I'm a newbie & in my last several comments I forgot sarc tag . Heck, at least i'm already typing (OY) KEY BOARDING one word pm in three(3) days. pb10 /

604 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:07:22pm

re: #583 chicagodudewhotrades

Charles,


I want to apologize to you about questioning your deletion of my comment. I forgot about the no phone number rule. I accept the deletion now. It was my fault.

Now would you please wipe the brown off your nose?

/I'M KIDDING! : )

605 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:07:25pm

re: #590 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

ABC snooze just reported the Obamessiah had to have his hip x-rayed from playing too much basketball on his "world tour". He played for about 5 minutes as a photo-op. What a WUSS!

Please tell me you're not kidding. This is delicious.

606 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:07:30pm

re: #600 OldLineTexan

Obama has a few rewrites for the remake.

Obama has already optioned the script...

607 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:07:56pm

and he did concede that the surge was working but none the less, said, in a do-over he would still voted against it.
he's stupid.

608 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:08:13pm

re: #601 Silhouette

There were 5000, but Obama turned them into 200,000, just before he fed them all with just 2 sausages and 5 beers.

You misunderstood. Obama had 5 beers and 2 sausages, ate the sausages and drank 5 beers. Then he didn't give a shit about the others. I know I didn't.

609 avspatti  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:08:15pm

re: #195 neverquit

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.

Some members of the Right are not going to vote at all. It is a worry.

610 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:08:22pm

re: #599 BBev

I live in New Hampshire, everywhere is fun

Have some good times for me! I could use a few!

611 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:08:24pm

re: #600 OldLineTexan

Obama has a few rewrites for the remake.

OK in the rewrite who's head is in the sack?

612 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:08:45pm

re: #584 Spiny Norman

I think he tries to hang his arguments by a very slender thread. The collapse of Easter Island, the Maya and the Mississippian Indians, the tribes of the American Southwest, and the people of the Polynesian Islands just aren't comparable in the way he's trying to express. He's extrapolating from small environments that were marginal to begin with to the "Big Blue Marble" of Earth. It's therefore a little screedy environmentalist pseudo-science to me.

The question of "What were the Easter Islanders thinking as they cut down their very last tree?" is sort of a fascinating ponderable, though. There's a lot of food for thought in there, but I think he first thought "Here's my thesis--environment played a huge role in the collapse of these societies" and then built his arguments around that.

I don't have a dog in the evolution/ID debate, but the shoddy, politicized state of scientific inquiry really gets my goat.

613 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:08:52pm

re: #601 Silhouette

That is effing funny.

614 OldLineTexan  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:09:15pm

re: #611 BBev

OK in the rewrite who's head is in the sack?

Hildebeast. Can't have everyone turning to stone.

615 Racer X  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:09:38pm

re: #554 Quilly Mammoth

Says an awful lot about the AP that they would put pure speculation in a piece like this.

They speculate. You decide.

616 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:09:42pm

re: #603 pilgrimbill10

Say Hey Lizards: I'm a newbie & in my last several comments I forgot sarc tag . Heck, at least i'm already typing (OY) KEY BOARDING one word pm in three(3) days. pb10 /

NEVER forget the Sarc tag!

sarc/

617 Ozark Mountain Daredevil  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:09:48pm

re: #605 Occasional Reader

Please tell me you're not kidding. This is delicious.

Just heard on the 10 pm report during Bill Cunningham's show, Drudge's old show.

618 Purple Prose  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:09:54pm

This is awesome:

619 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:09:57pm

re: #599 BBev

I live in New Hampshire, everywhere is fun

I fear you're taking your state for granite.

620 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:10:10pm

re: #591 Carridine

I LIKE your suggestion, FBV!

I can see it now: "Mutiny on the Bounty", starring Ahnuld Schwarzenegger as Christian and Danny DeVito as Captain Queeg!

Wow!

/Tom Arnold fits in somewhere, too...

Tell me that Jack Black is going to be in it and the run time will be 5 hours, and I am so there.

621 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:10:19pm

re: #493 Carridine

Jake Tapper: "...the American flag on (Obama's) airplane's tail has been replaced with a Big Red O."

So now we start The Story of O, eh?

/might explain why so many find him 'sexy'

Maybe he is sponsored by Overstock.com?

622 joncelli  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:10:27pm

re: #127 Dizzy26

God bless you. 12 years for me, and for pretty much the same reason.

623 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:10:35pm

re: #607 nyc redneck

AH You left this open to ....... stupid is as stupid does? GUMP. pb10

624 solomonpanting  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:11:19pm

re: #590 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

ABC snooze just reported the Obamessiah had to have his hip x-rayed from playing too much basketball on his "world tour". He played for about 5 minutes as a photo-op. What a WUSS!


That must be the hip on his mother's side.

625 Cartman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:11:25pm

I see where BHO once again today regurgitated the Donk party line that 'Stan must be the central focus in the WOT, with the associated implication that Iraq has been, and will be essentially irrelevant. If he somehow doesn't completely self-destruct, is able to defeat McCain, and forces this about-face, it may well prove to be the most colossal strategic miscalculation in the history of this country.

626 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:11:38pm

re: #610 jcm

Have some good times for me! I could use a few!

I will and I have.

627 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:11:43pm

re: #620 CyanSnowHawk

Tell me that Jack Black is going to be in it and the run time will be 5 hours, and I am so there.

That MFer can sing.

628 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:12:30pm

re: #619 Occasional Reader

I fear you're taking your state for granite.

Ha Ha.

629 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:12:32pm

re: #608 kansas

You misunderstood. Obama had 5 beers and 2 sausages, ate the sausages and drank 5 beers. Then he didn't give a shit about the others. I know I didn't.

That's quite a spin on the loaves and fishes story. But more inline with the Obama.

630 pbird  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:12:41pm

re: #593 kansas

I remember 19 cents and taking up a collection to fill up my buddie's 64 409 SS Convertible. Beat that.

Ha, I drove around all week in my Renault 4CV for a buck-fifty! I think it got about 40 miles to the gallon.

631 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:12:47pm

re: #621 kevinmumaw

Overstock.com ?

That's classic: Obama sponsored AS/BY 'obsolete but unused' company

632 pilgrimbill10  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:12:56pm

re: #616 BBev

Yes wiser Lizard. pb10

633 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:13:03pm

Well, it's after 11 here in the future, I'm really going to bed this time.

Peace and Obama be unto you.

634 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:13:32pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

I can see how it would be insulting, if that was how "fawning" was translated.

"Fawning" has less negative connotations in English. It implies less servility and is more like "adoring" or "moonstruck," with a hint of it going towards the wrong target. Think of someone's daughter making goo-goo eyes at some totally unsuitable man she calls her boyfriend, and you get a hint what "fawning" means in the English language.

635 Racer X  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:13:39pm

re: #590 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

ABC snooze just reported the Obamessiah had to have his hip x-rayed from playing too much basketball on his "world tour". He played for about 5 minutes as a photo-op. What a WUSS!

Yeah. Now he will walk around with a limp from an injury he received while "overseas".

636 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:13:40pm

re: #605 Occasional Reader

Please tell me you're not kidding. This is delicious.

re: #625 Cartman

I see where BHO once again today regurgitated the Donk party line that 'Stan must be the central focus in the WOT, with the associated implication that Iraq has been, and will be essentially irrelevant. If he somehow doesn't completely self-destruct, is able to defeat McCain, and forces this about-face, it may well prove to be the most colossal strategic miscalculation in the history of this country.

Now that's just not true. Any strategy that gets a Democrat elected is never a miscalculation.....well, according to the MSM and the Dems.

637 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:13:54pm

re: #633 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Peace and Obama be unto you.

And hope and change unto you.

638 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:14:01pm

re: #624 solomonpanting

That must be the hip on his mother's side.

Nay, everybody KNOWS Obama's daddy's hip!

639 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:14:24pm

re: #602 CyanSnowHawk

Mr. Franklin, whom I respect deeply, lived in the damn NORTH! As did I as a kid. DST meant the sun didn't set until 2130 and it sucked as a kid. Whaddaya mean go to bed? The sun is still up.

In AZ, it's a matter of 'who the f*** needs more daylight when it's 115F?'.

Some disturbing shit in the Honor Killing thing. 20% of muslims (in the US) don't like the US system?
I suppose I need to pay attention.

640 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:14:49pm

he is a dull person w/ no nuance.
tho he thinks that is his best quality.

641 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:14:59pm

Re "fawning". Both my excellent dictionary and the German press translate it the same way... which is insulting. If McCain didn't mean it that way it couldn't hurt to issue a comment because if he's going to be President this thing will be remembered.

Again, the crowd. Why did so many people come?

Obama certainly is a most talked about person... and the hype has been "imported". It was easy to see him, free. He might be the next president. Good music. Party atmosphere. Maybe you are witness to something historic (ok that didn't happen).

But mostly curiosity. I didn't see fawning. Nothing like those crowds going crazy over Obama in the U.S.

And as I said, the speech has been dissected quite a bit.

His wall analogy was nonsense. What has the fall of the Berlin wall to do with plotting terrorists and global warming? nobody understood that.
He wants a lot of nice things but no explanation about how to achieve them.
I'd say if a politician comes and tells you: We need to change the world, I grab for my wallet and check my gun.

642 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:15:06pm

re: #630 pbird

Ha, I drove around all week in my Renault 4CV for a buck-fifty! I think it got about 40 miles to the gallon.

I had a car called Simca Sounded like a vacuum cleaner and used less gas. Never checked the mileage. No point. The Super Sport, however, we had to fill up every hour.

643 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:16:37pm

re: #620 CyanSnowHawk

Tell me that Jack Black is going to be in it and the run time will be 5 hours, and I am so there.

Done.

Now, of course you'll have to put up with the product placement, of course.

"Mister Christian! It is imperative that you impart to the crew that on the HMS Bounty, we swab the decks with... Bounty, the Quicker Picker-Upper."

644 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:17:18pm

This is incredibly cool..BIGDOG

645 lori lane  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:17:23pm

re: #425 FlakMusic

This one will shoot cool layups.

BIG NEWS :: His hip is hurting this weekend. Went to the doc for the second time in one week. Awwwwww...

646 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:17:31pm

heh, 'Bad Santa' on Spike channel right now. it just began a few minutes ago. damn funny flick. Billy bob thorton and his midget elf partner are sitting in the bar after ripping off the first shopping mall celebrating the cash they just stole. Thorton wants to be another round and the elf says no. Thorton: "you can't drink worth a damn" Midget: "I weigh 92 pounds, what do you expect?" whole movie is comedy gold

647 Alouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:17:50pm

re: #511 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

Which "Mutiny On The Bounty" is better, the one with Brando or the later one with Gibson?

The earlier one with Clark Gable and Charles Laughton.

648 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:17:56pm

re: #632 pilgrimbill10

Yes wiser Lizard. pb10

Some may remember a few weeks back on the debate on the use of the sarc tag.

649 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:18:27pm

Attention Lizard NASCAR Fans! Obama's car is supposed to run next weekend at Pocono. How do you think the crowd will react?
And don't forget, if you don't cheer this car on...you're a Racist!

650 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:18:30pm

re: #644 Bobblehead

This is incredibly cool..BIGDOG

Gotta fix that noise!
Cool!

651 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:18:30pm

re: #645 lori lane

BIG NEWS :: His hip is hurting this weekend. Went to the doc for the second time in one week. Awwwwww...

Who gives a flying F about his hip? Anybody? Anybody? Buehler?

652 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:18:32pm

re: #639 Van Helsing

Mr. Franklin, whom I respect deeply, lived in the damn NORTH! As did I as a kid. DST meant the sun didn't set until 2130 and it sucked as a kid. Whaddaya mean go to bed? The sun is still up.

In AZ, it's a matter of 'who the f*** needs more daylight when it's 115F?'.

Some disturbing shit in the Honor Killing thing. 20% of muslims (in the US) don't like the US system?
I suppose I need to pay attention.

Ah, but a Commie Ben was not.

Agree with the AZ bit.

653 Bobblehead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:18:45pm

re: #647 Alouette

The earlier one with Clark Gable and Charles Laughton.

Yes! Somebody else agrees with me.

654 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:18:47pm

#634 RememberSekhmet?

That would definitely be a less insulting meaning. It's interesting that not a single German paper has given that translation.

It would still not describe the situation accurately.

655 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:19:10pm

re: #649 Macker

Attention Lizard NASCAR Fans! Obama's car is supposed to run next weekend at Pocono. How do you think the crowd will react?
And don't forget, if you don't cheer this car on...you're a Racist!

Into the wall!
Just like his campaign!

656 Bacchus's daddy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:19:48pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops

McCain's spokesman said (about Obama)
"He prioritises throngs of fawning Germans over meeting wounded combat troops in Germany," Mr Bounds said.

"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.

I've been updinging your posts because I respect your views and your son's service, but I think the "insult" from McCain may have had less to do with intention than with the inherent probelms of translation, where connotations may appear in one language that were absent from the thoughts and intentions of the speaker.

657 thelongblogger  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:19:55pm

re: #225 KSK

07 HoosierHoops


"fawning" translates as "kriecherisch" (bootlicking) or "unterwürfig" (servile): both are very insulting and absolutely inappropriate.


KSK, if you're still out there:

What does "schmeichlerisch" mean, and how insulting is it?

A number of bilingual dictionares give that as "fawning".

/German is NOT my best language...

658 Cartman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:20:01pm

re: #622 joncelli

And God bless you, as well. Coming up on one year, for me. I was essentially working towards the same end, only the slow and painful way. Almost pulled it off this past fall. I have absolutely no doubt that divine intervention was involved. None. Good on you and Dizzy26 both!

659 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:20:22pm

re: #612 Palandine

I think he tries to hang his arguments by a very slender thread. The collapse of Easter Island, the Maya and the Mississippian Indians, the tribes of the American Southwest, and the people of the Polynesian Islands just aren't comparable in the way he's trying to express. He's extrapolating from small environments that were marginal to begin with to the "Big Blue Marble" of Earth. It's therefore a little screedy environmentalist pseudo-science to me.

The question of "What were the Easter Islanders thinking as they cut down their very last tree?" is sort of a fascinating ponderable, though. There's a lot of food for thought in there, but I think he first thought "Here's my thesis--environment played a huge role in the collapse of these societies" and then built his arguments around that.

I don't have a dog in the evolution/ID debate, but the shoddy, politicized state of scientific inquiry really gets my goat.

In Guns, Germs and Steel, he tried to argue that the preeminence of Western Civilization was an accident of geography, and an unhappy one at that. The fact that Western Civilization, from it's very beginning, has rewarded the individual, in initiative, creativity, and yes, freedom of thought, (whereas other, supposedly equally advanced societies - like China, for example - that have never had these traditions ended up dominated by the West), never enters his reckoning.

660 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:20:40pm

re: #646 chicagodudewhotrades

heh, 'Bad Santa' on Spike channel right now. it just began a few minutes ago. damn funny flick. Billy bob thorton and his midget elf partner are sitting in the bar after ripping off the first shopping mall celebrating the cash they just stole. Thorton wants to be another round and the elf says no. Thorton: "you can't drink worth a damn" Midget: "I weigh 92 pounds, what do you expect?" whole movie is comedy gold

Isn't that gorgeous chick from Gilmore Girls running around in nothing but bra and panties in that one?

661 Carridine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:21:51pm

re: #644 Bobblehead

This is incredibly cool..BIGDOG


Right you are, Bobble!

I saw an online video of this about a year ago, still tethered it was, but able to run, pant and leap small buildings with a couple of bounds!

Kewl stuff, packing stuff for GIs...

662 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:21:55pm

re: #641 KSK

His wall analogy was nonsense. What has the fall of the Berlin wall to do with plotting terrorists and global warming? nobody understood that.

It demonstrates Obama's total lack of understanding on what the Berlin Wall was.

He treats it as a wall of division between two peoples who couldn't get along. As if that was the problem in Berlin. Instead of the prison wall that it was keeping the East Germans locked in.

And it demonstrates Obama's total lack of understanding on what terrorism is about. He thinks it is caused because we in the west and Muslims are divided by symbolic walls and we just don't understand each other enough - and therefore terrorism can be defeated if we all just share and talk more.

It was also a swing at the barrier in Israel, that doesn't keep people in but keeps murderers out.

663 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:22:28pm

re: #625 Cartman

I got nuthin' to prove anything one way or the other, but the facts seem to indicate that AQI, having had their asses handed to them, is moving to the 'Stans where (for a bit) they have more support.

I'm thinking that will change quickly a we refocus our attention on where the DUMB BASTARDS HAVE MOVED TO!.

Sorry for the shouting. Weren't nuffin' you did. I get a bit twisted about some of the popular Iraq/AQI/Taliban memes that go around.

664 Gearhead  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:22:45pm

re: #644 Bobblehead

This is incredibly cool..BIGDOG

Very cool. Can I get one with a muffler and a top-mounted hologram-projector?

/palpatine

665 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:22:57pm

re: #662 Silhouette

It demonstrates Obama's total lack of understanding on what the Berlin Wall was.

He treats it as a wall of division between two peoples who couldn't get along. As if that was the problem in Berlin. Instead of the prison wall that it was keeping the East Germans locked in.

And it demonstrates Obama's total lack of understanding on what terrorism is about. He thinks it is caused because we in the west and Muslims are divided by symbolic walls and we just don't understand each other enough - and therefore terrorism can be defeated if we all just share and talk more.

It was also a swing at the barrier in Israel, that doesn't keep people in but keeps murderers out.

But the wall came down................by itself.............didn't it?

666 chicagodudewhotrades  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:23:04pm

re: #660 CyanSnowHawk

That must be the fat kid's grandma you are talking about. I guess I never notice her because I'm busy looking at the hottie bartender chick that is Thorton's girlfriend

667 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:23:20pm

re: #644 Bobblehead

This is incredibly cool..BIGDOG

A Toaster, it is not!

668 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:23:21pm

re: #46 Mich-again

What decade are you stuck in? I don't ever remember phone calls for a dime. Are you Potsie from Happy Days?


I guess that makes me older than dirt...
I still remember when the expression "... it's your nickel..." made sense.

/old fart

669 wong fei hung  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:23:29pm

I wish he'd significantly bounce the f*** back to Germany or France, where he clearly belongs.

Of course, after a while, they'd progressively stick him in a walled-off ghetto...

Hey! Kinda like Chicago's South Side!

-WFH

670 kevinmumaw  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:23:36pm

re: #566 kansas

I don't know. I'm not gonna see that movie because I think it probably sucks big time. Being wasted..........starting to sound better all the time.

IMO, overrated. I should have gone to see X-Files or Step-Brothers.

671 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:23:52pm

re: #641 KSK

I saw Obama during the New Hampshire primary's and the people around him seared the hell out of me. There is no way I want him as president the chants of "Obama go go Obama" haunt my dreams

672 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:24:11pm

re: #639 Van Helsing

WHich just goes to show that central planning is not efficient. What is best for this village ain't necessarily the best for that village.

673 stevieray  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:25:23pm

re: #659 Spiny Norman

In Guns, Germs and Steel, he tried to argue that the preeminence of Western Civilization was an accident of geography, and an unhappy one at that. The fact that Western Civilization, from it's very beginning, has rewarded the individual, in initiative, creativity, and yes, freedom of thought, (whereas other, supposedly equally advanced societies - like China, for example - that have never had these traditions ended up dominated by the West), never enters his reckoning.

Yep.

674 Cartman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:25:26pm

re: #663 Van Helsing

It's kind of a long march from Afghanistan to Iran, don't you think? That's all the more I'll say, as well.

675 kansas  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:25:28pm

re: #670 kevinmumaw

IMO, overrated. I should have gone to see X-Files or Step-Brothers.

I'm gonna see xfiles. I read a review on step brothers. Sounded about right. Reviewer said would make a good 5 minute segment on SNL.

676 nyc redneck  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:25:42pm

re: #644 Bobblehead

This is incredibly cool..BIGDOG

OMG, unbelievable. i am so taken w/ that 'creature'.
i just wanted to give it a bowl of water.
and i did not like the way that guy kicked it.
(i'm a dog person. i know it's not alive but gosh. . .)

677 Bobibutu  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:25:42pm

re: #655 jcm

Into the wall!
Just like his campaign!

Yeah - I'd be a little concerned with the other drivers.

678 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:26:12pm

re: #173 lawhawk

Ah, Crazy Eddies - his prices are insane (helps to explain the bankruptcy, criminal charges.

And other great former electronics chains:

The Wiz... whose tagline was Nobody beats the Wiz (until they did, and it went out of business).

Eddie Antar, one of two people who could not get sanctuary in Israel under the Law of the Return. The other was Meyer Lansky.

679 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:26:22pm

re: #671 BBev

I saw Obama during the New Hampshire primary's and the people around him seared the hell out of me. There is no way I want him as president the chants of "Obama go go Obama" haunt my dreams

I've had folks tell me Obama is the savior of the country.

680 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:26:23pm

re: #655 jcm

Into the wall!
Just like his campaign!

Well I sure hope his pit crew doesn't do this....

681 Bacchus's daddy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:26:23pm

re: #659 Spiny Norman

In Guns, Germs and Steel, he tried to argue that the preeminence of Western Civilization was an accident of geography, and an unhappy one at that. The fact that Western Civilization, from it's very beginning, has rewarded the individual, in initiative, creativity, and yes, freedom of thought, (whereas other, supposedly equally advanced societies - like China, for example - that have never had these traditions ended up dominated by the West), never enters his reckoning.

I read that book also, several years ago after a lefty friend recommended it. I was also left with the impression that the author made an astonishingly broad and rigorous, but embarrassingly unconvincing attempt to portray the ascendance of western culture as "accidental".

682 CyanSnowHawk  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:26:57pm

re: #666 chicagodudewhotrades

That must be the fat kid's grandma you are talking about. I guess I never notice her because I'm busy looking at the hottie bartender chick that is Thorton's girlfriend

Ah, here it is Lauren Graham in Bad Santa, semi NSFW.

683 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:26:59pm

re: #609 avspatti

Some members of the Right are not going to vote at all. It is a worry.

Those members would have probably voted Bob Bar/Ron Paul anyway.

684 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:27:36pm

Heh. On The Simpsons Movie, Ned Flanders just gave thanks for "this mighty fine example of intelligent design". (A multi-eyed, mutated squirrel)

685 wong fei hung  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:27:44pm

BTW:

French and German adoration is prerequisite for officially being labeled a Global Asshole.

It's in the Geneva Conventions. Look it up.

-WFH

686 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:28:03pm

re: #680 Macker

Well I sure hope his pit crew doesn't do this....

ROFLMA!

Make sure the last lap is prayer time!

687 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:29:12pm

57 thelongblogger

would sound a lot more innocent.
OK lets blame the whole thing on the preciseness of German language that has ten meanings for one English word.

662 Silhouette

You nailed it. But you know what happened. They wanted symbolic stuff. The wanted the Brandenburg Gate (thankfully Merkel told them no). They wanted great pics for the media.

They didn't understand what Berlin is about.

688 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:29:24pm

re: #659 Spiny Norman

Yes, but he did tie that one in with some other interesting issues--

The fact that from Europe, through the Middle East, and east to China provides a HUGE, relatively unencumbered east-west axis for the exchange of ideas. Africa suffered from having a desert separating its Meditteranean cultural foundations to its southern two thirds, and Central America to South America is a very narrow corridor (which I found to be the weaker of the two arguments).

The fact that the Fertile Crescent had the lion's share of the world's truly valuable domesticable plants and most of the animals capable of being domesticated. Then tying that in with the fact that Westerners got in close with their animals and swapped around diseases that were then capable of wiping out other cultures.

Those are powerful advantages. Still, I watch a lot of pseudo-science on the History Channel, and they never get tired of talking about how the Maya created a calendar more accurate than anything we're using today. Still, they failed. Part of that was environment, part of it was susceptibility to diseases brought in from outside, and part of it, as you note, is that the Maya were not open to freedom of expression, etc.

His politics shows a little less in GG&S than it does in Collapse, but you're right--the not-so-thinly-veiled critique of the West is ever-present.

689 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:29:32pm

re: #659 Spiny Norman

The fact that Western Civilization, from it's very beginning, has rewarded the individual

No offense, but I think you're missing his point. He's looking for the meta-causes that create cultural differences.

690 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:29:40pm

re: #686 jcm

ROFLMA!

Make sure the last lap is prayer time!

Wouldn't you know it, they're facing south, which at Indy isn't the direction of Mecca. Watch out for the local imam!

691 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:30:07pm

re: #646 chicagodudewhotrades

heh, 'Bad Santa' on Spike channel right now. it just began a few minutes ago. damn funny flick. Billy bob thorton and his midget elf partner are sitting in the bar after ripping off the first shopping mall celebrating the cash they just stole. Thorton wants to be another round and the elf says no. Thorton: "you can't drink worth a damn" Midget: "I weigh 92 pounds, what do you expect?" whole movie is comedy gold

My favorite. A Christmas tradition watching it at my sick household

692 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:30:12pm

re: #652 CyanSnowHawk

You are correct. I was using 'commie' as a generic derogatory term. Seriously, Franklin was a genius and illustrates to me the ultimate inventive American. American spirit, distilled.

693 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:30:34pm

re: #649 Macker

Attention Lizard NASCAR Fans! Obama's car is supposed to run next weekend at Pocono. How do you think the crowd will react?
And don't forget, if you don't cheer this car on...you're a Racist!

As someone else pointed out, at least he has great practice in turning left, left, left.

And the driver, Ken Schrader, is a GOP contributer. heh

694 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:30:46pm

re: #681 Bacchus's daddy

I read that book also, several years ago after a lefty friend recommended it. I was also left with the impression that the author made an astonishingly broad and rigorous, but embarrassingly unconvincing attempt to portray the ascendance of western culture as "accidental".

I kept reading, and reading, expecting at some point that he would bring up the uniquely Western concept of individual freedom, and yet... nothing.

I was stunned that someone could pour so much effort into something like that and completely miss the point.

695 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:30:53pm

re: #482 The Shadow Do

Displays a lot of character. The particular jailer was not one his torturers by the way. I took it he was more one of the day to day screws. McCain in recent years has not had particularly pleasant expressions for some of the real bad ones. the use of the word "slope" was criticized some time back if I remember correctly.

Or gook or zipperhead...

696 Macker  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:32:27pm

re: #693 Silhouette

As someone else pointed out, at least he has great practice in turning left, left, left.

And the driver, Ken Schrader, is a GOP contributer. heh

Not only that, the car's owners are liberal Republicans. I wonder if they're doing it to portray Obama's car as a "heel," much like the Bad Guys in Professional Wrestling!

697 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:32:28pm

re: #33 KSK

I'm not amused about McCain insulting Germans.
Calling them "fawning" doesn't exactly show a lot of style in foreign policy.

It's also not correct. If you read German press you'd see that Obama does receive friendly praise but also a lot of criticism.

And the German crowd in Berlin was not fawning either. I have watched carefully. Those who were stood close to Obama and were mostly Americans.

We do not appreciate to be insulted. Thank you for your attention.

Agreed.

Republicans can be clueless campaigners. Republicans have all the ammunition - but they don't know how to use it properly. It should be soooo easy to defeat the sniveling socialist left.

Republicans spend too much time on BS reaction and moral outrage. Where the left are phony - the right are just weak and tone deaf.

698 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:33:02pm

Bottom line:

If people really were fawning, they were a lot more BEFORE the speech than AFTER

699 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:34:28pm

re: #659 Spiny Norman

(whereas other, supposedly equally advanced societies - like China, for example - that have never had these traditions ended up dominated by the West

Also... he does not distinguish between China and the West in GG&S. He's attempting to explain the relative backwardness of the Americas and Oceania at the dawn of modern history, compared to Europe AND Asia.

700 rawmuse  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:34:28pm

I am thinking this poll is probably accurate. The electorate has changed, even since 2004, certainly since 2000.

701 outsidephilly  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:35:01pm

re: #588 pbird

Hell, I remember a gas war in 1966 in which the price was .25 a gallon!

. . . , wow .25 a gallon - did ya get free drinking glasses with that?

702 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:35:13pm

Vet wrongly court-martialed dies within hours of Army apology


Samuel Snow, 83, one of "The Fort Lawton 28" who received a belated U.S. Army apology on Saturday for a now-discredited court-martial, died early today.Samuel Snow wasn't about to let a bad heart keep him from traveling to Seattle.

The 83-year-old Florida man was on a mission to see an old injustice set right, and he succeeded.

Then he let go.

Mr. Snow died early this morning, just hours after the Army awarded him an honorable discharge and apologized for the "grievous wrong," done to him and 23 other black soldiers 64 years ago.

"That honorable discharge meant more to him than his own health," said his son, Ray Snow.

The elder Snow and his fellow soldiers were court-martialed and sentenced to a combined 200 years in prison after a 1944 brawl between black soldiers and Italian prisoners of war at Fort Lawton, an Army post that occupied Seattle's Magnolia bluffs. An Italian soldier was killed and strung up on wires at an obstacle course.

An Army review set aside the convictions last year, concluding that the investigation was flawed. On Saturday, the U.S. Army formally apologized in a ceremony at Fort Lawton.

703 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:35:39pm

re: #695 Gumby

Or gook or zipperhead...

He did apologize for using the word but suggested folks consider the context. I think this was in CA in '99 primary run.

704 Van Helsing  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:36:26pm

re: #674 Cartman

It's kind of a long march from Afghanistan to Iran, don't you think? That's all the more I'll say, as well.

Not that hard to get to Syria and from there to any where one would like to go.

As the MSM sez - Al Qaeda wasn't in Iraq until we invaded.

So where the fuck did they come from?

705 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:37:10pm

re: #665 kansas

But the wall came down................by itself.............didn't it?

I sucks that most of the youth today doesn’t know what the wall was or what it was about. I have friends from Eastern Europe and the middle east that love George Bush for what he has done and staying strong in his beliefs.

706 neocon hippie  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:37:29pm

BTW, today (7/27) marks exactly one hundred days until the election.

Sometimes I wish I could go to sleep and wake up when it's over on 11/5.

707 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:37:49pm

#697 FrogMarch

Indeed. Instead of rather lame looking symbolic gestures (visiting a German restaurant when Obama speaks in Berlin looks a bit like a "me too me too") they should focus on what Obama actually says and does, how he manages to contradict himself within 5 minutes.

The real brainwashed people are Obama fans. Didn't he promise the Kossacks that he would leave Iraq within months? He sounds a lot different now. And nobody is protesting?

708 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:38:08pm

re: #679 jcm

I've had folks tell me Obama is the savior of the country.

Ya what are you trying to do make me sick!?

709 Gumby  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:38:28pm

re: #703 The Shadow Do

He did apologize for using the word but suggested folks consider the context. I think this was in CA in '99 primary run.

Old habits are hard to break....

710 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:41:03pm

I think it's fair to be scared that Obama might pull this out. McCain is the old dude - and Obama is the Hollywood glamor boyfriend with press pimpage.

in politics the pendulum swings - and this time the socialists are looking to score big. I think they just might. McCain better get with it.

711 Palandine  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:42:36pm

By the way, the guys in question won't see this, but I want to pay it forward.

Thanks to the two guys and black Lab in the pickup truck that helped me change a tire on my Jeep today after a swimming and fishing adventure in mid-Missouri today. There are still true knights of the road in this day and age who will help a lady in distress (I could have changed it if I had to, and was starting to do so, but it was AWESOME not to have to in 90-degree heat).

*Raises glass* This one's for you!

712 FrogMarch  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:42:42pm

re: #700 rawmuse

I am thinking this poll is probably accurate. The electorate has changed, even since 2004, certainly since 2000.

I think so too. The video game playing/hollywood worshiping youth set are coming out in droves for Obama.

713 jcm  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:43:02pm

re: #708 BBev

Ya what are you trying to do make me sick!?

First time I heard it, I was WTF speechless.

714 The Shadow Do  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:43:26pm

re: #709 Gumby

Old habits are hard to break....

I believe it was in reference to a particularly sadistic interrogator. by the way, I read his book. Not at all narcisstic like certain other pols publications. In fact it was really about his family, its history and then later about the "real" heroes he knew in captivity. Very little of it dealt with the ugly reality that was the "Hilton". I think there is a story to tell that will not be revealed until he is gone. John McCain is a very good guy.

715 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:43:55pm

re: #689 Occasional Reader

No offense, but I think you're missing his point. He's looking for the meta-causes that create cultural differences.

I don't think I am, otherwise he would've discussed the "why" as well as the "how". It's never even mentioned. Western dominance was no "accident". If it were, Arabian culture would be the dominant power, not European/American. Even before the rise of Islam, the source of all the natural riches (yes, I got the reasoning behind the original "meta-causes") was already a cultural backwater. The center of Western Civilization had moved to more "intellectually fertile" ground when there was no physical reason for it to do so, but there were cultural reasons.

716 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:44:14pm

re: #711 Palandine

Slainte!

717 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:46:39pm

re: #715 Spiny Norman

I don't think I am, otherwise he would've discussed the "why" as well as the "how". It's never even mentioned. Western dominance was no "accident". If it were, Arabian culture would be the dominant power, not European/American. Even before the rise of Islam, the source of all the natural riches (yes, I got the reasoning behind the original "meta-causes") was already a cultural backwater. The center of Western Civilization had moved to more "intellectually fertile" ground when there was no physical reason for it to do so, but there were cultural reasons.

And again, let me point out: 1) He's talking about Eurasia versus everywhere else in terms of levels of development, not distinguishing among the different parts of Eurasia; and 2) he's looking for what forms culture in the first place.

718 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:48:31pm

re: #176 neverquit

I know I'll have to take heat for this one, but here it goes:

The key to winning the Presidency in this election is the Center.

McCain is closer the Center than Obama.

The Country's future will continue to move towards the center. (The next 4 or 5 Republican nominees after McCain will have the task of slowing down the moves to the Left to a Conservative pace for the next 50 years. The move Left is inevitable and unstoppable, and our nation's history is proof)

If I were advising McCain, I would tell him to pursue a VP who is in the Center when it comes to Foreign Policy and protecting the interests of the United States in the International Power Politics arena.

This requires politicians with the balls to stand on principle. In this case, Lieberman seems to be a solid candidate and/or at minimum a person to court for a Cabinet Position.

I know it seems distasteful, even whimsical, but search your feelings, USE THE FORCE......

At this critical time in the World's history, a Rookie is not the answer. Obama must be defeated in this election. The alternative costs of an Obama victory will be too expensive for us all.

imho

Looking forward to the "no way dude" - "you're crazy man" - "never happen" - "Lieberman is a Leftist" retorts.....Let me have it, I'll sit here and take it for awhile anyway, gotta get up early....

;)


Leiberman is a good man, and representative of what the Democrats were prior to the lurch to the left after 1968. He would have been very comfortable among JFK, RFK, Humphrey, "Scoop" Jackson and the like.

McCain has a very good feel for the center, and probably doesn't need a lot of shoring up there... Leiberman might give him a little help there, but at the cost of losing him the more conservative end of the Republican spectrum, which would probably more than offset any tiny gains in the center Lieberman might bring.

But the strongest argument I would have against putting Lieberman on the ticket or appointing him to a cabinet position is that he would then need to be replaced in the Senate, and there's a serious chance that Connecticut would put in a genuine far leftie like that Kostard fool who beat Lieberman in the primary, forcing him to run as an independent in the General election. Without a figure of Lieberman's stature, it's far more likely that the lefty would win, handing a seat to the fringe that now is in the hands of a liberal, but a liberal with some sense and character.

719 lifeofthemind  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:50:46pm

The argument that McCain insulted the Germans is bogus anyway. McCain makes a comment in English for an English speaking audience that used the word 'fawning.' That word is not complimentary but is not particularly derogatory. It is true that there is a back history of concern about Germans getting overly emotional. Churchill said ,"The Hun is always either at your feet or at your throat." Now the word 'fawning' may translate into something less nuanced in German but that just another indication of what an incredibly subtle and flexible tool English is. Complaining about what someone said in their own language because it sounds worse in your language to my ears sounds like the type of arrogant bullying game that is played by the Islamists.

720 NY Nana  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:52:03pm

re: #124 Spiny Norman

Heh. I think my mom still has a couple of Green Stamps books squirreled away somewhere.

So do I! Funny, as we were just talking about them, as a NYC supermarket, D'Agostinos, now gives GreenPoints, electronically..we are in the 'burbs, but there is one about 15 minutes from us, near the CT border.

721 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:55:16pm

re: #195 neverquit

It's my opinion that the Right has no other viable option. Their votes are a lock.

The votes that are not a lock is where the battle is.


Not true... some of the hard cases could (as some threaten) stay home, cast a protest vote for someone like Barr, or (the real headcases) actually vote for Obama to "show them!" expecting such a disaster that the country's voters would swing back to the right in protest the next time around.
That some people are actually willing to inflict what they believe to be a disaster upon the country for 2 or 4 years on the chance that it might, MIGHT mind you... return conservatives to power actually frightens me.

722 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:56:24pm

re: #635 Racer X

Yeah. Now he will walk around with a limp from an injury he received while "overseas".

Purple Heart in the US Mail.

723 BBev  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:59:01pm

re: #718 RightOnTheLeftCoast

I like Lieberman but he lost a few points with me when he changed almost every ting that he believed in when he went with Al Gore.

724 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 8:59:39pm

re: #27 Kyle_st

Why bother tracking-reporting on the Presidential race? Obama's going to clean McCain's clock, and he's going to be our President for the next four (and likely eight) years. It's depressing to examine every grain of sand on the way to an Obama Whitehouse, please stop.

I never thought I'd see a post rated at negative 30. Please don't be pessimistic like that. If its Obama for 8 years, we are finished.

725 Mars Needs Neocons  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:03:49pm

re: #712 FrogMarch

I think so too. The video game playing/hollywood worshiping youth set are coming out in droves for Obama.

But they don't vote. I've spoken with several of my ex-students who are now in their twenties, they love Obambi, but say that it doesn't really matter whether they vote or not.

726 RedSoxNation  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:07:20pm

Take a closer look at the polls and you will see that Obama has not gotten a bounce because he remains in the high 40s range (47 to 49). A review of Gallup and Rasmussen both reveal that Obama got a bump after he clinched the nomination to go from the low to mid 40s (i.e. 41-45) to the high 40s. He has not moved much since. The poll lead merely reflects that McCain's numbers are down from his trend of mid 40s (42-46) to 40. That is more to do with the fact that he was ignored by the Press for an entire week while his lordly-ship was treated as the chosen one...Until Obama can break the 50% mark, McCain will maintain his chance at winning.

There are two legitimate issues: (1) a significant increase in the African American vote could turn a red state blue (think North Carolina); and (2) Bob Barr may actually hurt McCain by a significant margin in Georgia, which will only be magnified by the increase in the African American vote...

Good night...

727 pbird  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:07:36pm

re: #701 outsidephilly

. . . , wow .25 a gallon - did ya get free drinking glasses with that?

No.

728 rorschach  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:11:01pm

All attempts at an election will be futile.

Going to the polls on election day will be a waste of time.

obama has already been selected. (but you didn't hear it from us)


/the mainstream media

729 Occasional Reader  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:11:31pm

re: #701 outsidephilly

re: #588 pbird

Hell, I remember a gas war in 1966 in which the price was .25 a gallon!

. . . , wow .25 a gallon - did ya get free drinking glasses with that?

Gasoline was even cheaper, in inflation-adjusted terms, in the late 1990s, when it was just under a buck a gallon.

730 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:12:04pm

re: #717 Occasional Reader

And again, let me point out: 1) He's talking about Eurasia versus everywhere else in terms of levels of development, not distinguishing among the different parts of Eurasia; and 2) he's looking for what forms culture in the first place.

I get what you're saying, but I will still argue that Diamond purposely ignored non-geographic factors. And he does, in fact, separate Asia and Europe on several occasions, such as pointing out the only domesticated grain developed in Asia was rice.

I think his unifying theory of geographical happenstance is overly simplistic, and leads me to believe there's some circular reasoning involved.

731 docremulac  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:22:48pm

I wonder if, when he meets with Iran's leaders, he'll address the war Iran's been waging against us by killing our soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Although I don't know. Is it a war when the other side isn't fighting back? I think a more appropriate term for what Iran is doing is hunting and murdering our brave soldiers for sport with no consequences whatsoever.

If somebody had told me ten years ago American soldiers would be getting killed by Iranians and we'd be too scared to do anything about it I'd have thought they were crazy.

732 avspatti  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:24:18pm

re: #602 CyanSnowHawk

Hey, watch it, DST was Ben Franklin's baby.

And I love it!

733 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:25:25pm

re: #590 Ozark Mountain Daredevil

ABC snooze just reported the Obamessiah had to have his hip x-rayed from playing too much basketball on his "world tour". He played for about 5 minutes as a photo-op. What a WUSS!

I think he may have been injured before he went. In the tape of him taking the three-point shot in Kuwait, he says something about his hip. Was only a phrase, but he seemed to be saying something about why he couldn't play more or jump.

734 neocon hippie  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:26:34pm

re: #726 RedSoxNation

I wonder just how many more Black votes the Halfrican-American can garner. Blacks have already been voting Democratic in overwhelming margins. Are there really enough out there that could be added that would actually make a difference in NC, GA, VA, or IN for that matter?

735 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:27:03pm

re: #733 JustMyView

I think he may have been injured before he went. In the tape of him taking the three-point shot in Kuwait, he says something about his hip. Was only a phrase, but he seemed to be saying something about why he couldn't play more or jump.

Here's the link that says his hip had been sore for a few weeks.

736 docremulac  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:27:30pm

And by the way, I'm convinced that McCain wants Obama to win after getting a taste of reality regarding how he's going to be treated by the left.

He's been getting nice little pats on the head from the left because he's basically been a democrat operative in the Republican party. Now that he's served his purpose and is presuming to be a real Republican, he's evil scum just like Bush.

His illusions of being a president loved by both sides has been shattered and now I have not doubt he's hoping for an Obama win.

737 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:31:27pm

re: #734 neocon hippie

I wonder just how many more Black votes the Halfrican-American can garner. Blacks have already been voting Democratic in overwhelming margins. Are there really enough out there that could be added that would actually make a difference in NC, GA, VA, or IN for that matter?

Of the states you mention, VA is the one I've heard described as most likely to turn blue. It's not just the African-American vote, though. The growth of the NoVA suburbs has led to an increasingly Democratic electorate. Mark Warner, former Dem governor and current Senate candidate, is believed to be all but certain to win the Senate seat John Warner (retiring Repub) is vacating.

If Obama chooses Evan Bayh as VP, his chances of carrying IN would, presumably, increase.

738 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:31:36pm

re: #733 JustMyView

I think he may have been injured before he went. In the tape of him taking the three-point shot in Kuwait, he says something about his hip. Was only a phrase, but he seemed to be saying something about why he couldn't play more or jump.

Pusssssaaaaayyyyy. Thats what they'd call him round he-yah.

739 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:33:07pm

re: #737 JustMyView

Ah but the turmoil in Detroit will not help the Obama campaign in Michigan. And if he doesn't win Wayne County he can forget this State.

740 JustMyView  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:36:19pm

re: #739 Mich-again

Ah but the turmoil in Detroit will not help the Obama campaign in Michigan. And if he doesn't win Wayne County he can forget this State.

You're right. I haven't looked at a recent poll, but I heard someone on a news show today say that he wasn't doing well in Michigan. If McCain chooses Romney as his VP, Obama's chances of winning Michigan would probably be further reduced.

741 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:37:52pm

re: #654 KSK

#634 RememberSekhmet?

That would definitely be a less insulting meaning. It's interesting that not a single German paper has given that translation.

It would still not describe the situation accurately.

Knowing and studying the language > dictionary translation, but it's much easier to reach for the dictionary.

742 Silhouette  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:38:02pm

Can you imagine the press if McCain had a hip x-ray?

All the concerns by "critics" over his age...accompanied by stories on elders breaking their hips.

743 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:39:37pm
744 KSK  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:51:57pm

#741 RememberSekhmet?

Translating from English into German is a most complicated thing because English has an awful lot of words but still many words are most "unprecise" (in German interpretation). They can mean a lot of different things. Sometimes it's possible to find out by context, sometimes not.

745 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:55:25pm

re: #726 RedSoxNation

Take a closer look at the polls and you will see that Obama has not gotten a bounce because he remains in the high 40s range (47 to 49). A review of Gallup and Rasmussen both reveal that Obama got a bump after he clinched the nomination to go from the low to mid 40s (i.e. 41-45) to the high 40s. He has not moved much since. The poll lead merely reflects that McCain's numbers are down from his trend of mid 40s (42-46) to 40. That is more to do with the fact that he was ignored by the Press for an entire week while his lordly-ship was treated as the chosen one...Until Obama can break the 50% mark, McCain will maintain his chance at winning.

There are two legitimate issues: (1) a significant increase in the African American vote could turn a red state blue (think North Carolina); and (2) Bob Barr may actually hurt McCain by a significant margin in Georgia, which will only be magnified by the increase in the African American vote...

Good night...

A dirty little secret: African-Americans are about 12 percent of the population, and about 12 percent of the vote, especially in the South. African-Americans are the turnip from which you can't get blood.

As for Barr, most of the folks voting for him are the Ron Paul crowd. They make a lot of noise, especially online, then are shocked when all the online buzz doesn't turn into votes.

746 poldark  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 9:57:33pm

I sure hope O doesn't win, but, if he does, I want to be ready immediately with an annoying bumper sticker that says "1.20.13. Obama's last day."

747 neocon hippie  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:00:39pm

re: #744 KSK

#741 RememberSekhmet?

Translating from English into German is a most complicated thing because English has an awful lot of words but still many words are most "unprecise" (in German interpretation). They can mean a lot of different things. Sometimes it's possible to find out by context, sometimes not.

How do you think it compares to translating from Deutsch to Englisch? And I'm curious, as a speaker of both languages, what do you think the differences are if any, between what meanings can be conveyed in either language, if you could generalize? English being relatively simple but as you say having a lot of words having a lot of meanings? As opposed to German being much more inflected and also having the ability to form compound words?

748 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:01:20pm

re: #744 KSK

#741 RememberSekhmet?

Translating from English into German is a most complicated thing because English has an awful lot of words but still many words are most "unprecise" (in German interpretation). They can mean a lot of different things. Sometimes it's possible to find out by context, sometimes not.

And same goes from German to English, or between any two languages. There are some concepts that don't translate. They often translate so crappily that speakers of one language say "Screw it, we're borrowing their word."

Zeitgeist, charisma, Schadenfreude, telephone...

749 RememberSekhmet?  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:05:01pm

Well, I see there's a new thread, and I need my beauty rest

Weet dreams all

750 FamHistoryGuy  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:14:56pm

re: #709 Gumby
The VC, NVA, Pathet Lao and Khmer Rouge were some really nasty scum. I had no problem using those words for them. As for the average peasant they were just interested in surviving in an inhospitable environment.

751 Viking6  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 10:58:01pm

re: #293 Spiny Norman

In the more leftist enclaves (in West LA and the entire Bay area, ferinstence) we have old rattletraps festooned with them.


Can't afford duc tape?

752 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 11:21:37pm

re: #368 Killian Bundy

I know Charles has asked us not to refer to or speculate that Obama is the Anti-Christ. So, I shall just call him the NullChrist.

753 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 11:24:52pm

re: #719 lifeofthemind

"Don't talk about the war."
/Basil Faulty

754 Colonel Panik  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 11:26:18pm

re: #745 RememberSekhmet?

As for Barr, most of the folks voting for him are the Ron Paul crowd. They make a lot of noise, especially online, then are shocked when all the online buzz doesn't turn into votes.

What would you call Barr supporters? Barrians? Barrbots? Barrflies?

755 Spiny Norman  Sun, Jul 27, 2008 11:27:40pm

re: #751 Viking6

Can't afford duct tape?

Or bailing wire, apparently.

756 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:47:45am

re: #754 Colonel Panik

What would you call Barr supporters? Barrians? Barrbots? Barrflies?


Oooohhh... "Barrflies"... I like that!

757 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 2:21:11am

Who cares about national polls? I'm curious about the state-by-state polls. Is there any reason that gallup doesn't give us those stats? Are there any election rules against such polling?

758 Carbine Footprint  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 4:47:27am

This explains it.

759 TheHardHat  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 5:33:03am

It seems to me that Obama could end up like Daniel Ortega. In his 1990 election Daniel Ortega was widely expected to win by wide margins. The Soviet sponsored leader and his media (and most of the world) expected the Ortega dynasty to continue. A little thing called 'the secret ballet' did him in. (Not to mention Ronald Regan and the American supported Contras.)

I think there are two illusions going on today.
First, Obama and his media will continue to propagate the myth of Obamas popularity.

Second, There is the illusion of the 'Loyal Democrat'. Thoughtful honest Democrats will say "I'm voting for Obamba" but in their hearts they know he isn't qualified. They will say one thing vote another. Thank God for the secret ballot.

It is my prediction that:
In November another Socialist is going to go into the election thinking that the populace is for him only to find out on the flip side that it wasn't. I seriously doubt that the pre-election polling is going to show Obama loosing. The post-debate will question the value of polls. Again.

760 avk2  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 5:40:19am

the MSM of any nation arent very good at translating, are they

Dinnerjacket: (in Farsi) Jews will be wiped off the map (Exterminated)
(in German, English) We will only publish world maps excluding Israel

761 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:06:29am

re: #10 cicadajoe

The only relevant statistic:
Obama has a 0% chance of winning the Presidency.
I would stake my life on it.

The Audacity of Hope!

762 Pitiricus  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:09:37am

The bounce fades


The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows that Barack Obama’s Berlin bounce is fading. Obama now attracts 45% of the vote while John McCain earns 42%. When "leaners" are included, it’s Obama 48% and McCain 45%. Both Obama and McCain are viewed favorably by 56% of voters.
763 looking closely  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:20:54am

re: #641 KSK

Re "fawning". Both my excellent dictionary and the German press translate it the same way... which is insulting.

fawn 1 (fôn)
intr.v. fawned, fawn·ing, fawns

1. To exhibit affection or attempt to please, as a dog does by wagging its tail, whining, or cringing.

2. To seek favor or attention by flattery and obsequious behavior.

764 smill1953  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:44:02am
re: #380 reine.de.tout
I thought polar bears were quite proficient swimmers?

I've heard they can swim 100 miles.... 50 out and 50 back. Sounds like a good Olympic contest, huh?

Their scientific name is ursus maritimus ("sea bear").

765 bolivar  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:44:08am

re: #10 cicadajoe

The only relevant statistic:

Obama has a 0% chance of winning the Presidency.

I would stake my life on it.

Sadly you may just be right.......

766 jemima  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:44:21am

#27

The kind of person who is content to let Jews turn into smoke, to allow Soviet tanks to roll over Hungarians, and Russians to accept the Commie take over.

You're valuable Kyle in that you remind good Americans what their mindset should never be.

767 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:45:34am

re: #759 TheHardHat

It seems to me that Obama could end up like Daniel Ortega. In his 1990 election Daniel Ortega was widely expected to win by wide margins. The Soviet sponsored leader and his media (and most of the world) expected the Ortega dynasty to continue. A little thing called 'the secret ballet' did him in. (Not to mention Ronald Regan and the American supported Contras.)

I think there are two illusions going on today.
First, Obama and his media will continue to propagate the myth of Obamas popularity.

Second, There is the illusion of the 'Loyal Democrat'. Thoughtful honest Democrats will say "I'm voting for Obamba" but in their hearts they know he isn't qualified. They will say one thing vote another. Thank God for the secret ballot.

It is my prediction that:
In November another Socialist is going to go into the election thinking that the populace is for him only to find out on the flip side that it wasn't. I seriously doubt that the pre-election polling is going to show Obama loosing. The post-debate will question the value of polls. Again.

I do not believe for one instant that the American voter will elect Obama.
i am convinced that the fix is already in and that Obama will win the election through scurrilous means.
Read: The election will be thrown, or stolen, if you will.

768 bombarafat  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:52:08am

We need to pray the electoral college does what it was intended to do:
Keeping unqualified people out of the nations highest office.

769 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 8:17:33am

re: #768 bombarafat

Speaking of prayer, has it been noted that Obama's "prayer" in the Western Wall, that was "released" because someone "stole" it from the crack, was a set-up?

"Obama's note was published in Maariv and other international publications following his authorization to make the content of the note public. Obama submitted a copy of the note to media outlets when he left his hotel in Jerusalem." Ma'ariv

The paper was forced to admit this ruse when they were threatened with a lawsuit and boycott.

Obama is as false as a breast from Hollywood.

770 Captain Midnight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:02:29am

Why is being +9 in the polls a "significant" bounce when he was +6 before he went on the Obama World Tour '08? I wouldn't call an increase of 3% "significant."

Sounds like he got +1% for each news anchor who followed him around.

771 Dave_Da_Kid  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:26:46am

re: #54 Perplexed

You're correct. Most of the Germans in attendance were there for the beer and bratwurst.


For Beer and Brats I'd go!

772 Dave_Da_Kid  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:32:55am

re: #768 bombarafat


Speaking of that, has anyone noticed the "National Popular Vote" initative? In a nutshell state legislatures have the power to decide how a states electors are assigned. Most states currently use a winner takes all method. Now some are banding together to say that their state will assign it's electors based on which candidate garners the most votes nationally. So, in theory, my state (Mass) could actually go for McCain should he will the most votes nationally. Interestingly it would have gone for Bush in the last election even though Kerry won the state. I think it's a really bad idea personally but it's garnering a lot of support across the country. Check their site and be afraid.

[Link: www.nationalpopularvote.com...]

773 stanlef  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:15:11am

re: #757 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey
Here Ya go! This is a state-by-state compilation.
[Link: www.npr.org...]

/of course it is NPR.

774 grahamski  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 5:51:37pm

Meh, these polls mean NOTHING.


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