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Totten: The Bin Ladens of the Balkans

Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 9:22:33 am PDT

Here’s part 2 of a really good piece by Michael Totten on Kosovo, Macedonia, and the insidious influence of Saudi Arabia: The Bin Ladens of the Balkans.

(Part 1 is here.)

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1 winston06  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:25:04am

Saudi Arabia is spreading the disease of Islamic Jihadism across the globe.

2 godfrey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:26:41am

Where is Saudi Arabia's influence not "insidious"?

3 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:26:49am

As I've mentioned before. As far back as 1999 it was Bosnian muslims who were warning me about Saudi "cavemen" and their penchant for buggery religious schools.

4 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:27:33am

re: #2 godfrey

In Saudi Arabia, where it is seen as not being sufficiently Islamist enough.

5 bosforus  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:31:42am

For a split second I read Balkans as Falklands and wondered just how far Saudi Arabia's influence was spreading.

6 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:32:05am

Meanwhile, we help support this every time we go to the gas station, and the Dhimmicraps are blocking any vote on offshore drilling because it would "give the oil companies more money". It would give US oil companies more money, instead of foreign ones. But we can see where Pelosi and others loyalties are, the traitors.

7 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:32:10am

Holocaust in the Baltics.

[Link: depts.washington.edu...]

The Palestinians and their Arab allies were anything but neutral about the fate of European Jewry.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

8 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:32:52am

Would you see this in an American mosque?

9 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:33:18am

I remember reading a couple of years ago how the Saudis were paying for new (ugly) mosques in Bosnia and Kosovo, to replace traditional ones, and how cemeteries were being destroyed, so people couldn't visit dead relatives (the islamists see it as idol worship), etc.

10 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:34:09am

re: #2 godfrey

Where is Saudi Arabia's influence not "insidious"?

6 feet under.

11 DistantThunder  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:34:10am

Will President Obama step on the heels of the Saudis and demand they contain themselves, or will he focus on more pressing issues like trans fats?

12 alegrias  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:34:39am

Meanwhile, Serb-sponsoring Russia's planting its flag on the North Pole for world domination of petroleum rights!

13 victor_yugo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:36:24am

Sorry for the early OT, but I just noticed:

Google has another of their bogus "holidays" up.

14 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:37:25am
15 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:37:25am

re: #13 victor_yugo

Sorry for the early OT, but I just noticed:

Google has another of their bogus "holidays" up.

Their "Flag Day" banner was so - uh, well, uh, let me think, um, shitty.

16 gymnast  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:38:35am

The Wahabi Mutawah's of Saudi Arabia think that a smile is an overt affront to Allah. They want to spread their ideas throughout the world. Buy middle east oil and support them.

17 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:38:41am

re: #8 Killgore Trout
Well I've never been in a mosque so I can't say for sure, but my hunch is NO you wouldn't see Old Glory in a Mosque ANYWHERE!
That musta been photoshopped, no?

18 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:40:12am

in re: the sidebar: Frank says:
If they want you, they will get you.
That's why "they" should be minimized at every opportunity.

/"I can indict a ham sandwich".

19 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:40:44am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

While we're discussing cross-national influence, take a look at this NPR story from this morning about the special relationship between China and the Sudan.

Not merely the fact that Sudan sells 80% of its oil to China; General Gordon, who fought the Chinese in the Opium Wars, was killed in the Sudan, and the Chinese love the Sudanese for having done so.

Note, also, the adulatory tone in which the article discusses the Mahdi.

Murderous regimes say "sh*t" and NPR squats and asks "what color?"

20 jorline  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:41:03am

re: #13 victor_yugo

Sorry for the early OT, but I just noticed:

Google has another of their bogus "holidays" up.

Google's new rival...story here.

21 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:42:00am

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

Good catch. Maybe someone will notice!

22 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:42:46am

re: #8 Killgore Trout,

No, you wouldn't. That is part of our problem. We're unwilling to see the enemy, even when he proclaims his enmity.

23 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:43:55am

Wow, looking at Michael's articles confirms everything else I've read about the Saudis' influence in the Balkans. Sad.

24 calvin coolidge  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:44:56am

"They're still there trying to impose a stern Wahhabi interpretation of Islam on indigenous Europeans"
I don't understand the reluctance of the Europeans. Who can turn down living in the 4th century? Not to mention the daily excitement of mercy killings, genital mutilation, arranged marriages, suicide bombings, and the ever popular chopping off of heads.

25 maninthemiddle  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:45:06am

Once again we note the insidious creep of radical Islam backed by Saudi gold.

Also, make not that we once again catch a glimpse of moderate (no sharia) Muslims. It is a glimpse only, as the media consistently provides a forum only to those such as CAIR, ISNA, MSA, and MAS that are products of the radical branch of Islam.

Truly moderate groups, such as the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Muslims Against Sharia, and others go wanting.

26 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:45:08am
It seems the Wahhabis have successfully transformed this portion of Macedonia into what former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky calls a fear society.

When you experience a 'fear society' you learn the all encompassing, smothering nature of the tyranny is the only issue of import. Everything else: art, sport, society is subservient to the fear power.

27 Charles  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:46:51am

I was going to ignore it, but I think maybe I need to post something about that brain-dead Discovery Institute attack, just for the record.

28 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:47:13am

The Haj and the Holocaust.

[Link: emperors-clothes.com...]

29 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:47:32am

re: #20 jorline Hey there jorline, I don't get what "bogus" (or any other holiday) Google is supposedly celebrating?

30 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:48:25am

re: #27 Charles

I know you don't like doing editorials, but I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say.

31 bosforus  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:48:45am

re: #20 jorline

Google's new rival...story here.

I realize today is Cuil's first day as operational but after two minutes (and counting) of waiting for search results for "The Dark Knight" (only 200,000 results), I'm less than impressed. Guess it's still got a few kinks to work out.

32 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:48:49am

The Haj and Iraq and Iraqi Jews.

[Link: www.bankingonbaghdad.com...]

33 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:48:51am

re: #29 realwest

Hey there jorline, I don't get what "bogus" (or any other holiday) Google is supposedly celebrating?

Isn't today "kick America in the teeth day" or was that last week in Berlin?

34 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:49:05am

re: #29 realwest

If you click on the logo, you'll find that it's the b-day for Beatrix Potter, who wrote childrens books including the Peter Rabbit stories.

35 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:49:08am

re: #20 jorline

Google's new rival...story here.

that looks promising. I stopped using Google a long time ago, and switched to Ask.com. it's a cool site & it works.

36 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:50:26am

re: #25 maninthemiddle

Once again we note the insidious creep of radical Islam backed by Saudi gold.

Also, make not that we once again catch a glimpse of moderate (no sharia) Muslims. It is a glimpse only, as the media consistently provides a forum only to those such as CAIR, ISNA, MSA, and MAS that are products of the radical branch of Islam.

Truly moderate groups, such as the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Muslims Against Sharia, and others go wanting.

When we are free of Saudi (et al) influence, i.e. not kowtowing to them for their oil/lifeblood for our existence, then we shall see...
Until such time, we are ourselves the worst kind of dhimmi- eunuchs and take whatever it is that they are giving.

So, not for any bloviate enviro- reason, I am 100% for energy independence in whatever form.

37 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:50:32am

To really fix the middle east would require shoving the Saud Wahabi clan back into the Nejd. Arabian arabs can be divided into the northern and southern groups, with the north including the arab natives of Syria, Iraq, Jordan and the Nejd region of Saudi Arabia. The Hejaz, Yemen and Oman are linguistically and culturally different. In addition there are the religious divisions, mostly between Sunni and Shia. The northern Sunni are minorities in Iraq and are a repressed majority in Syria. If the map was really redrawn to unite Sunni majority regions the big losers would be Iranian proxies in Syria and Lebanon. Unfortunately for the Sunnis they are like the Jews in that they live in all the bits of the region that are not producing huge amounts of oil. The Sunni in Iraq have made a painful transition towards reality with the Anbar Wakening. If the dominance of the backward Saud clan over the region was removed then they may be able to lead the North arab Sunni in a more productive direction.

38 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:50:49am

re: #34 lawhawk

I like Beatrix Potter; she was also a fine illustrator and botanist.

39 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:51:34am

cuil.com will be a fossil soon enough.

40 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:52:56am

re: #24 calvin coolidge

"They're still there trying to impose a stern Wahhabi interpretation of Islam on indigenous Europeans"
I don't understand the reluctance of the Europeans. Who can turn down living in the 4th century? Not to mention the daily excitement of mercy killings, genital mutilation, arranged marriages, suicide bombings, and the ever popular chopping off of heads.

And think of the job opportunities.

*CLINK* Bring out your dead *CLINK* Bring out your dead *CLINK*

41 jorline  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:53:21am

re: #29 realwest

Hey there jorline, I don't get what "bogus" (or any other holiday) Google is supposedly celebrating?

Must be the Islamic Easter or Muslim Viagra ad symbolized by the multiply like rabbits...lol

I'm great this morning RW...how are you?

42 bosforus  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:53:42am

re: #38 Dianna

I like Beatrix Potter; she was also a fine illustrator and botanist.

I like Roald Dahl, never knew of his anti-semitism though until Google made a logo for him. I still love his books though.

43 Opinionated  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:54:59am

Isn't it interesting that our friend Obama didn't stop to see our friends the Saudis on his recent trip. And no protest from our Saudi friends that they were disrespected when he visited everyone else.

You would almost believe they specifically didn't want to be seen with each other- pre election.

44 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:55:23am

re: #39 faraway

cuil.com will be a fossil soon enough.

That oddball name that isn't pronounced the way it looks is a strike against right off the bat.

Dumb.

45 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:55:26am

The most aggravating thing about all of these nasty behaviors and -isms and -itys from all quarters of the world is that the resultant flare- ups inevitably diminish my own appreciation for far- off cultural niceties.

For instance, there is a magnificent Arab grocer/restaurant here in town, but every time I step through their door, I can't help thinking... and so, am a less- frequent patron than before.

46 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:55:48am

re: #34 lawhawk

If you click on the logo, you'll find that it's the b-day for Beatrix Potter, who wrote childrens books including the Peter Rabbit stories.

Oh, so I guess next week on August 5 they'll have a special page honoring this guy.

/Not likely....

47 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:55:59am

re: #34 lawhawk Thanks lawhawk!

48 jorline  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:56:09am

re: #31 bosforus

I realize today is Cuil's first day as operational but after two minutes (and counting) of waiting for search results for "The Dark Knight" (only 200,000 results), I'm less than impressed. Guess it's still got a few kinks to work out.

I agree...this will be interesting to watch. I Cuiled my name and got nada... I'm a nobody on COOL...lol

49 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:57:11am

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

*change: The most to: An.
thank you.

50 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:58:21am

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

The most aggravating thing about all of these nasty behaviors and -isms and -itys from all quarters of the world is that the resultant flare- ups inevitably diminish my own appreciation for far- off cultural niceties.

For instance, there is a magnificent Arab grocer/restaurant here in town, but every time I step through their door, I can't help thinking... and so, am a less- frequent patron than before.

But is he Muslim or Christian? Huge difference!

51 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:58:25am

re: #41 jorline I'm doing ok, thanks for asking!
An Islamic Easter? ROTFL!

52 bosforus  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:58:29am

re: #48 jorline

I agree...this will be interesting to watch. I Cuiled my name and got nada... I'm a nobody on COOL...lol

I also searched "Dr. Livingstone, I Presume" (don't ask why) and it returned no results. Come on! 127 billion web pages and NO mention of Dr. Livingstone. I'm not buying it.

53 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:58:39am

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

54 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #5 bosforus

For a split second I read Balkans as Falklands and wondered just how far Saudi Arabia's influence was spreading.

Mebbe they already are... and just can't help themselves at the thought of the flocks there... with no easy way to escape off the Islands... think of the sheep man... think of the sheep...

55 bosforus  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:59:30am

re: #54 anotherindyfilmguy

Mebbe they already are... and just can't help themselves at the thought of the flocks there... with no easy way to escape off the Islands... think of the sheep man... think of the sheep...

Send in the Argentine Armada, they'll take care of business!

56 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 9:59:56am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Would you see this in an American mosque?

If it comes to outright war in America then the ones who choose the right side will...

57 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:01:00am

re: #10 Nevergiveup

6 feet under.

Assuming they don't defile/desecrate your grave... which they seem to have as an extra duty according to the article...

58 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:01:16am

cuil.com, says

We didn’t find any results for “little green footballs”

59 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:02:23am

re: #53 faraway It did if you search using initial capital letters - I got a LOT of stuff searching for Pearl Harbor.

60 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:02:47am

re: #53 faraway

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

Ditto for 9/11.

Then again, no results for "impeach Bush."

Looks like they're not quite ready for prime time.

61 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:04:10am

re: #59 realwest

It did if you search using initial capital letters - I got a LOT of stuff searching for Pearl Harbor.

If it going to be case sensitive that could be a problem. There are a lot of people, even around here, that don't seem to have shift buttons on their keyboards.

62 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:04:31am
We didn’t find any results for “Pearl Harbor”
63 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:04:42am

re: #58 faraway I got 278 results for Little Green Footballs.com - must be case sensitive.

64 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:05:01am

Well, "they" are mixed, and it depends on the counter person with whom you are dealing.
Then there are the other patrons who also exhibit the narrowing eyes and the tightening lips.
But it isn't any one of them, as I don't give a shit about what they think, It's usually (not always) just a failing of my own in painting them with the colors from the world's pallette, deserved or not.
Also, i get slittyy- eyed right back at 'em- can't be too careful, don't you know.
Pity, really, as not only is the food great, but the most daunting backgammon players hang out there, and not a few chess whizzes.
Ot they used to, anyway.

Yep. Clingin' to my Bible and guns and not accepting of them damn furriners and aliens.

65 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:05:31am

Even if cuil.com's search results were good, it wouldn't matter.

cuil=dead man walking

66 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:05:43am

re: #55 bosforus

Send in the Argentine Armada, they'll take care of business!

listening to: Buddy Holly- That'll Be the Day

67 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:06:15am
We didn’t find any results for “littlegreenfootballs”
68 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:06:50am

re: #62 faraway
Huh, just did another search for Pearl Harbor and got "2,200,000 results for Pearl Harbor".

69 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:07:07am

re: #67 faraway

did U search "lizardoidness"?

70 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:07:14am

re: #53 faraway

I read this AM (can't remember where) that they didn't have all the bugs worked out of CUIL - quite yet.

71 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:08:25am

re: #70 Cap'n DOC

I read this AM (can't remember where) that they didn't have all the bugs worked out of CUIL - quite yet.

Can't help but hope for some deserved come- uppance.

72 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:08:33am

re: #58 faraway

I messed with Cuil earlier; it stinks. It doesn't correct typos and spelling errors, no news search, no blog search and the images are rarely relevant to the search result. I'm underwhelmed.

73 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:08:38am

re: #67 faraway Are you sure you're using Cuil's homepage to start your searches?

74 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:11:39am

re: #73 realwest

Are you sure you're using Cuil's homepage to start your searches?

Hey, I'm not that far away.

75 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:11:57am

re: #10 Nevergiveup

6 feet under.

But does that refer to them ... or to us?

76 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:12:49am

re: #67 faraway
Please see my #63.

Ya know, it's trying to if not replace, then at least give us another alternative to Google and I don't think that's a bad thing - maybe they'll get the bugs worked out in a little while.

77 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:12:53am

Not that I'd be advocating violence but...
It seems like the Natives need to somehow reject the "foreign radical clerics" or they are doomed... how they reject them could be brute force, it could be guerrilla tactics aimed at the leaders or it could be convincing the government(s) above and around them where the region is heading, which is a bigger headache for everyone around them, unless the trend is nipped short now...
But people being people and all the most likely course is whichever is the most painful in the long term for the convenience of today...

On the other hand I can't help but wonder what would happen if a large US church organization set foot there (with gobs of cash to bribe the government into action/protecting them etc) and started a campaign to convert the locals for being Wahhabi etc...

78 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:14:37am

PIMF:
convert the locals for being Wahhabi etc...
Meant to say:
convert the locals from being Wahhabi etc...

79 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:15:13am

re: #74 faraway LOL! Then I don't get the disparity in our results - I mean, I got over TWO MILLION responses to Pearl Harbor and 278 for Little Green Footballs.com.
I went to your original link about no pearl harbor, hit the Cuil in the top right corner, it took me to a search page where I typed in my case sensitive search requests, that's the only reason I asked you that!

80 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:15:55am

re: #76 realwest

Please see my #63.

Ya know, it's trying to if not replace, then at least give us another alternative to Google and I don't think that's a bad thing - maybe they'll get the bugs worked out in a little while.

Case sensitive problems are not bugs. That's kindergarden stuff.

cuil is a joke. Reminds me of DinnerJacket's missiles. Somebody's fooling the investors here.

Yes sir, we are ready to launch the missile website sir.

81 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:17:29am

Just Googled "cuil.com".
That's gotta piss 'em off.

82 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:17:51am

THe House of Saud is putting a lot of petro dollars behind the spread of Wahhabism. The Saudi supported schools as we have seen use despicable text books.
I like W, but I don't like to see my president over there literally holding hands with Saudi Royals, while begging for some help with price of crude.

83 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:18:53am

re: #81 Capitalist Tool

haha, cuil.com is the 2nd result in Google. Google is just trying to stick it in their eye.

Just Googled "cuil.com".
That's gotta piss 'em off.

84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:19:12am

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

85 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #53 faraway

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

just add HI. to your search and 85 million hits come up.. Of course by then i had fell asleep.

86 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:20:32am

I found lgf in cuil finally. I searched for "creationism".

/jk

87 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:20:43am

re: #78 anotherindyfilmguy It's ok, I knew what you meant the first time. LOL.
I dunno - I mean when you say "gobs of cash" in Saudi Arabia, that's a HELL of a lot of dough, given the probably TRILLION dollar net worth of the Saud family.

I think we had a GREAT chance in Desert I, but caved to their demands of no crucifixes being allowed to be worn "publically" by our troops; female troops having to wear long sleeve shirts and all. I know we went in to save the Magic Kingdom's Ass from Hussein, but we really went in to protect "our" oil supplies there and coulda and shoulda muscled the Royal House around waaay more than we did.

88 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:20:49am

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

Maybe them and the police?

89 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:21:01am

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

PETA?

90 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:21:15am

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

Yep.
And do you ahve a local office of fair trading? Them, too!

91 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:21:40am

have a good'n everyone.
later

92 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:21:59am
We didn’t find any results for “john edwards love child”

Some reasons might be...
* we are just as liberal as google
* a typo. Please check your spelling.
* your search includes a term that is very rare. Try to find a more common substitute.
* too many search terms. Please try fewer terms.

93 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:22:29am

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Call your local Animal Controll office. They'll know what to do.

94 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:23:17am

Now I am not all that fond of missionaries. Seeing the Witnesses approach is a good reason to always walk with the dog. They steer clear of the sweet puppy. The Mormons on the other hand seem OK. Nevertheless I can think of at least two good reasons for us to insist that missionaries be allowed to work in all these countries.

1. It gets some really annoying people out of our country.

2. By defending the missionaries against threats and bullying by the Islamists we will in the eyes of the locals be forcing them to respect us. The problem that we face in many of these 3rd world cultures, like The Bronx, is that the locals do not respect the West or take us seriously. They must learn that respect is mutual. That is why the surge helped transform the climate in Iraq. We may not have to create a long term colonial occupation but we do have to change the expectations of the people out there.

95 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:23:32am

I'll bet the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles could handle this turtle abuser.

96 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:25:51am

re: #87 realwest

It's ok, I knew what you meant the first time. LOL.
I dunno - I mean when you say "gobs of cash" in Saudi Arabia, that's a HELL of a lot of dough, given the probably TRILLION dollar net worth of the Saud family.

I think we had a GREAT chance in Desert I, but caved to their demands of no crucifixes being allowed to be worn "publically" by our troops; female troops having to wear long sleeve shirts and all. I know we went in to save the Magic Kingdom's Ass from Hussein, but we really went in to protect "our" oil supplies there and coulda and shoulda muscled the Royal House around waaay more than we did.


How true. By caving into their demands, while we were protecting them, we sent a bad signal.
I have no idea if Sadam was actually going to cross from Kuwait into Saudi Arabia, but without us there would have been nothing to stop him. By accepting Saudi conditions, we looked in their eyes inferior to them & reinforced the Mosque lessons. Our troops were referred to as 'White Slaves."

97 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:26:14am

re: #85 HoosierHoops
Hey there HH - take a look at my #79 - came up really fast too.

98 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:27:07am

Unfortunately the turtles will be destroyed. There's a real disease risk associated with them. Who to call depends on where you live.

99 uptight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:29:30am

All across the world, from Dearborn to Melbourne, from West London to the West Bank, the Saudis are splashing the cash to ensure that Wahabi meta-terrorism is subtly spread.

It poisons our society with its backward culture, oppression and hatred.

There's obvious ironies here - firstly, any Christian ministry trying to operate in Saudis would be expelled so fast their heads would spin.

Secondly, the Saudis wouldn't have a pot to piss in were it not for the oil that just happens to be under their ground. Their cultural, philosophical and scientific contribution to this planet would not show up on an atomic spectrometer.

Yes it is the development of our civilization that drives the needs for their oil and thus funds the Wahabi forces that seek to subvert our civilization.

This either makes the Saudis the biggest, most evil parasite in history or makes us the biggest mugs in history.

It's not just the Saudis either. Our other enemies, Iran & Venezuela are non-achievers who thrive because of our thirst for oil.

I am no wacko environmentalist, but it doesn't take a degree in economics to realize that Western civilization's most urgent, pressing issue is the need to replace oil. Drilling into ANWR only stalls the issue and still leaves us reliant on bastard regimes.

If we phase banned the use of oil-fueled cars and factories over the next 5 years, we could tell the Suadis, Ahmadinejad & Chavez to go piss up a rope. The funding for the Wahabis would dry up and they could go back to being unsophisticated, non-threatening desert folk.

The longer we put money in their pockets the longer these Saudi Academies and wahabi mosques will continue attacking us.

100 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:30:28am

re: #96 opnion Huh, never heard of our troops being called "White Slaves" but I do know that the Chaplains tents were not allowed to have a cross or Star of David on them.
Yes, they REALLY NEEDED US (or thought they did, I have no idea if Hussein was going to go into the Magic Kingdom either, but the MK sure thought they were!) and we should not have caved into their ridiculous demands. In fact we should have imposed some demands of our own - ya know, like free oil at x million barrels a day for five years or something like that. Then put half of it in the Strategic Reserve.

101 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:31:04am

Obama is committed to failure.....
Obama Confronts Reporter Over "Surge" Question (VIDEO)

The Surge worked but he still opposes it. Pretty impressive.

102 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:32:54am

re: #99 uptight

Did you Minor in Ranting at the university? Well said.

103 ErnieG  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:32:59am

The beautiful Painted Mosque is one of the few such left in the Balkans. I don't have a link, but I have read that the Wahhabis have gutted many of these beautiful places, leaving them with bare, stark, whitewashed walls.

104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:33:15am

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Call your local Animal Controll office. They'll know what to do.

Philadelphia Animal Control is a joke. We had a rabid racoon in our apartment complex & they refused to come out & deal with it. They said they'd pick up the remains once it died, though. I'm going to call ASPCA.

105 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:33:26am

We can't drill our way out of this problem, eh? Seems to me we should be doing EVERYTHING to ween ourselves off the teet of foreign oil.....One less dollar given to "our friends" the Saudis, is one less dollar they will turn around and do this kind of crap.

106 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:33:57am

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are they turtles or tortoises?

107 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:33:57am

re: #99 uptight Good post. And I dibs "makes us the biggest mugs in history."
But I seriously don't see how we're gonna get away from gasoline or diesel fueled vehicles in 5 years.

108 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:34:57am

Huffpo gives legal advice on kidnapping government officials....
How to Perform a Citizen's Arrest of A Bush Administration Official

We really ought to be inspired by the 4 courageous Iowans who dared to try to hold Rove accountable for his crimes. Government officials, no matter how high-ranking, should be prevented from even walking the street without fear of arrest, if they are guilty of a crime. Whether or not justice is done should not depend on how politically influential the accused is. If the Justice Department will not do its job, then let citizens uphold the law. Citizen's arrests are a powerful yet peaceful way to show the strength and defiance of the American people.

Good luck with that.

109 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:35:31am

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They suck here in Portland too.

110 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:35:47am

re: #99 uptight,


If we phase banned the use of oil-fueled cars and factories over the next 5 years, we could tell the Suadis, Ahmadinejad & Chavez to go piss up a rope.


And replaced it with what? Sure, you can replace power generation with nukes, but what are you going to replace the cars, boats, motorcycles, etc. with? How are you going to compensate the billions of dollars worth of goods that such a ban would make unusable/illegal?

Your plan is unworkable.

111 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:35:51am

re: #99 uptight

We get most of our oil from Canada & Mexico. Crude is fungible & can be diverted where the demand is (China).
Saudi Arabia will still have enormous petro dollars.
Your point is taken however. No matter who we buy from it does prop up the price for the Saudis.
We should do everything, drill, solar , wind etc.

112 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:35:57am

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Philadelphia Animal Control is a joke. We had a rabid racoon in our apartment complex & they refused to come out & deal with it. They said they'd pick up the remains once it died, though. I'm going to call ASPCA.

Were they busy dealing with a rabid mayor?

113 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:35:59am

re: #101 Killgore Trout
"The Surge worked but he still opposes it. Pretty im depressive.
There, fixed that for you!

114 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:36:55am

re: #99 uptight
That is a wonderful dream. However, how do you propose to move food, people, durable goods without semi tractor trailers? Battery tech is not even good enough for decent cars and hybrids are to damn expensive for what you get. Until we have a breakthrough in some kind of small high horsepower powerplant for semis/trains/planes we have to drill our own oil.

115 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I can only shake my head in disbelief at that.
Basically they're saying 'we decide who is a criminal, and then arrest him' - reminds me of a certain Place in the middle of Europe, not that long ago ...

116 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:37:51am

re: #78 anotherindyfilmguy

PIMF:
convert the locals for being Wahhabi etc...
Meant to say:
convert the locals from being Wahhabi etc...

Whew!

117 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:37:53am

re: #100 realwest

Huh, never heard of our troops being called "White Slaves" but I do know that the Chaplains tents were not allowed to have a cross or Star of David on them.
Yes, they REALLY NEEDED US (or thought they did, I have no idea if Hussein was going to go into the Magic Kingdom either, but the MK sure thought they were!) and we should not have caved into their ridiculous demands. In fact we should have imposed some demands of our own - ya know, like free oil at x million barrels a day for five years or something like that. Then put half of it in the Strategic Reserve.

THe charming term, "White Slaves" was actually used by Saudi Prince's.

118 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:39:01am

I've been off for a few days. Anyone mention the abuse in Pali prisons articles? If not, i know you will be shocked that members of the ROP are abusing their brothers in prison. And can someone explain why they keep their brothers in prison while demanding Israel release terrorist Palis from Israeli jails?

119 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:39:10am

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

PETT

120 Desert Dog  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:39:29am

re: #117 opnion

THe charming term, "White Slaves" was actually used by Saudi Prince's.

That is a "charming" name. I hear our troops call their "soldiers" cowards and pansies.....I think our guys have it dead on

121 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:39:39am

re: #118 madisonsfriend
They aren't the right 'kind' of muslim.

122 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:40:51am

re: #110 Iron Fist Hey bro' - I agree with you, but I also think we as a Nation have GOT to find a way to become a WHOLE lot less energy dependent on foreign sources.
I mean, it REALLY PISSES ME OFF that the French - THE FRENCH! - derive something like 70+% of their electrical power from Nuclear reactors. And I know we don't come anything close to that - hell we're not even in yelling distance of that.
No it won't solve a lot of our problems, but it will surely lessen the load some.

123 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:41:07am

re: #99 uptight

Finding something to replace oil isn't just a matter of deciding to do it, and it will come in a year or two. There are hundreds of alternatives out there and each and every one IS being looked into. Lots of time, money, and brainpower is going into developing all of them. Banning petroleum would not get us "serious" about finding alternatives: we're serious now, but things take time.

That time could be provide by drilling in ANWR. We would use our own instead of theirs, granting the fungible nature of oil.

Add to the extra time shale oil, which was not feasible at $40/barrel, but certainly is now. The USA is the Saudi Arabia of shale oil. What we have beneath our soil equals three Arabias. These two sources would last us 60 or so years, using oil. Imagine the technological advances in 60 years, batteries (making nuclear power useful for cars, etc.) for example, and biodiesel, and every other thing you can think of.

To help in imagining, compare our technology today to the 1940s. And remember, we're developing technology faster now. The advances in computers in just 50 years someone compared to going from the wheel to the space shuttle in just under a century.

124 big steve  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:41:35am

OT but did you see Savage's suit against CAIR got tossed.
Savage Suit Against CAIR

125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:42:02am

re: #115 yma o hyd

It's incredibly irresponsible for them to publish that article. The legal ramifications are the least of your problems when trying to kidnap government officials. It's very likely you'll be shot dead by the secret service. Those guys don't play around.

126 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:42:36am

re: #114 pingjockey

Battery tech is not even good enough for decent cars and hybrids are to damn expensive for what you get.

Part of my issue with the auto makers right now is that they refuse to make hybrids in all models and with all levels of options. They only seem to make the cars with all the options which drives up the cost. Having said that, I have already decided that my next car will be a hybrid for the simple reason that I think we all need to do our part to help the US become energy independent.

Note, however, that I did not say that I want any of this mandated by the government.

127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:42:54am

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

128 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:43:17am

re: #124 big steve

OT but did you see Savage's suit against CAIR got tossed.
Savage Suit Against CAIR

I understand that it was poorly written. What a shame.

129 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #120 Desert Dog

That is a "charming" name. I hear our troops call their "soldiers" cowards and pansies.....I think our guys have it dead on

Right, but hearing that reported was infuriating. It let's you know how we are actually viewed.

130 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:44:18am

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just put them on posts.

131 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:44:29am

re: #120 Desert Dog

That is a "charming" name. I hear our troops call their "soldiers" cowards and pansies.....I think our guys have it dead on

oh anyone who knows any soldiers who did time over in the sand box knows their are quite a few colorful tems for our arab so called friends...but decorum and threat of deletion keep me from writing them here.

132 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:44:48am

re: #124 big steve

OT but did you see Savage's suit against CAIR got tossed.
Savage Suit Against CAIR

I am angry at him- I do not appreciate him denigrating people with autism and using the word he used -Putz(which means much worse than most people know) in regard to that situation. I think he is just another big media whore(if I find a "journalist who isn't, I'l let you know)and his website with more stuff to purchase than Walmart makes me sure of it. I don't like CAIR either but I don't like MR. Savage(not his real name anyway)

133 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:44:50am

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Obama is committed to failure.....
Obama Confronts Reporter Over "Surge" Question (VIDEO)

The Surge worked but he still opposes it. Pretty impressive.

....except where he doesn't oppose it, but demands it (Afghanistan)

134 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:45:05am

re: #126 Ford_Prefect
Nope. Let the market determine it. That said, I need a pick up or a car. Now a small 4 cyl pickup is less than 25k and gets 28mpg. A hybrid car gets 40mpg+ but costs 40k+. Which do you suppose I am going to buy?

135 realwest  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:45:20am

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all, but I do have to go eat lunch now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get to see you down the road!

136 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:45:41am

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey


The problem with little turtles- besides the cruelty to turtles -is that unless they are properly bred- youcan get salmonella from handling them.

137 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:46:18am

re: #136 madisonsfriend
Really? Why is that?

138 big steve  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:46:35am

re: #132 madisonsfriend

I am angry at him- I do not appreciate him denigrating people with autism and using the word he used -Putz(which means much worse than most people know) in regard to that situation. I think he is just another big media whore(if I find a "journalist who isn't, I'l let you know)and his website with more stuff to purchase than Walmart makes me sure of it. I don't like CAIR either but I don't like MR. Savage(not his real name anyway)

Don't like him either. I think most of the talk show host take insane positions for ratings. I was kind of glad of the result.

139 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:46:42am

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

Tell them to call each other, work it out, and let you know what they decide.

140 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:46:54am

re: #16 gymnast

The Wahabi Mutawah's of Saudi Arabia think that a smile is an overt affront to Allah. They want to spread their ideas throughout the world. Buy middle east oil and support them.

Our president is asshole buddies with them.

141 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:47:07am

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Not just that - their whole concept of citizens' arrests for people who they say have committed crimes is - certainly here in GB - illegal. You are only allowed to use a citizens' arrest if a crime against another person is in progress, you see it and can interfere without danger to yourself and bystanders.
And even then you can get into deep trouble with the Law for possible GBH ...

That whole idea from Huffpo is very dangerous, as you say, and utterly ludicrous as well - don't they have any lawyers vetting some of their stuff?
Ah - forgot - LLLs are above the law, natch!

142 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:47:33am

[Link: www.cdc.gov...]
salmonella in turtles

143 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:47:36am

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

Then call the local TV news. A sob story with incompetent bureaucrats thrown in, they should love it.

144 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:47:54am
145 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:48:05am

re: #143 lifeofthemind

Good idea.

146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:48:23am

re: #136 madisonsfriend

The
problem with little turtles- besides the cruelty to turtles -is that
unless they are properly bred- youcan get salmonella from handling them.

Do you get turtlenella from handling bad salmon?

147 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:48:44am

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

That figures!
Try Trading Standards - the ones who check restaurants for cockroaches and such - they are quite good!

148 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:49:15am

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't know whether to ding you up or ding you down for that groaner. ;-)

149 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:49:26am

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do you get turtlenella from handling bad salmon?

only from little very bad salmon. Your ears turn red and your back starts to get hard and scaly

150 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:49:28am

re: #134 pingjockey

Nope. Let the market determine it. That said, I need a pick up or a car. Now a small 4 cyl pickup is less than 25k and gets 28mpg. A hybrid car gets 40mpg+ but costs 40k+. Which do you suppose I am going to buy?

Exactly. But imagine that 4 cyl. pickup with a hybrid engine. That is my point. They all have the technology, why not put it in every vehicle?

151 FrogMarch  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:49:45am

Totten is amazing. Doing the work the lazy biased Lauer/Couric/Hollwyood Insider mainstream media will not do.

152 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:49:56am
153 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:50:31am

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do you get turtlenella from handling bad salmon?

Is that a dance in Sicily?

154 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:50:47am

re: #122 realwest,

Drill here, drill now! That is the first thing we need to do to fight our dependance on foreign oil. Nuclear reactors are the second. If "environmentalists" were serious about CO2 they'd lynch Al Gore they'd demand that gas fired plants be replaced with nuclear. It makes sense whether one believes Global Warmism or not.

Replaceing the internal combustion engine, OTOH, requires a breakthrough in technology. There's no telling when that will happen. Hydrogen is a possibility for an alternate fuel source, but you need lots of nuke plants to produce enough electricity to produce the hydrogen. Right now it is just an interesting idea.

155 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:12am

re: #140 itellu3times

Our president is asshole buddies with them.

There is a long history with the Bush family.

156 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:19am

re: #103 ErnieG

That's happened everywhere the Wahabis have encountered anything that runs counter to their interpretation of Islamic law. They are iconoclasts - and will destroy any images that they deem unIslamic.

The Taliban follow along those lines - as witnessed by their destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas, which was a double whammy since they could erase the presence of religions and cultures that predate Islam.

157 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:20am

re: #149 madisonsfriend

only from little very bad salmon. Your ears turn red and your back starts to get hard and scaly

That sounds like Lizardellosis to me ...

158 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:28am

I managed to get through to someone at Animal Control & they said they'd send someone down to check it out right away.

159 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:29am

re: #150 Ford_Prefect
I have no damn idea. I do know Detroit auto engineers are assholes. Trying to get the front end off of the 16 yr olds '97 Ford escort wagon and get the radiator out. Sheesh, need 2 nasa engineers to figure out how they hooked the shit up.

160 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:48am

re: #72 Killgore Trout

I messed with Cuil earlier; it stinks. It doesn't correct typos and spelling errors, no news search, no blog search and the images are rarely relevant to the search result. I'm underwhelmed.

I was trying it out because my wife called and said she saw a bear print in the yard. (There are black bears in the town we live in).
Cuil only found bear print fabrics, etc. At least google found pictures of bear prints, and I refined my search to black bear prints (or tracks) and found a good article on them.
cuil took a long time and was useless.

161 Sunlight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:51:49am

re: #118 madisonsfriend

I've been off for a few days. Anyone mention the abuse in Pali prisons articles? If not, i know you will be shocked that members of the ROP are abusing their brothers in prison. And can someone explain why they keep their brothers in prison while demanding Israel release terrorist Palis from Israeli jails?

I've completely come to the conclusion that Israel is seeking to not be attacked... which means that, even at the street level, the policing level, they are asking for special treatment. They don't want to live according to the day-to-day acceptable behavior of the region. The neighbors kill, maim, imprision (women in the kitchen and nursery) each other even inside each country far more than they try to get at the Israelis. So that Kuntar guy wouldn't be seen by many as a murderer because his behavior is what is expected by where he came from.

162 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:52:32am

re: #150 Ford_Prefect

Because the costs would still be higher than a straight gas powered engine, and the manufacturers lack the capacity to put batteries in all those cars.

The limitation at this point is the battery production of LiIion batteries.

163 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:53:09am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

I think that the way to "help the US become energy independent" is not to buy a half-assed, twixt-and-tween hybrid, but to demand that the US use the oil it's got so as not to pay money out to our enemies. "Energy alternatives," if and when they come, will not arrive one second sooner for buying a car which carries two power sources instead of one.

Of course we should drill. I never said we shouldn't. However, that doesn't that we shouldn't do what we can as individuals to help the situation.

164 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:53:12am

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Every kid I knew--back when I was one--had a couple of little pet turtles in one of those hard plastic turtle dishes with the little palm trees in it.

Nobody ever heard of salmonella. Are we that much more immuno-deficient, or are the papers just creating hysteria?

I know I was one of those kids- I think all of the turtles I tossed in the sewer- thinking they were dead- gave birth to the little turtles currently being sold in Philly.

I think probably things got worse for turtle breeders. I don't really know- why are more kids allergic to peanuts and peanut butter? I could be wrong- kids could have been sick and died from it but didn't every school kid in America eat peanut butter sandwiches 2X a week, 2 days was bologna(nitrates) and one day was tuna(mercury) in the 50s and 60s(that is me)- why aren't we dead now?

165 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:53:24am

re: #160 Kosh's Shadow

Cuil only found bear print fabrics


Heh. Fail.

166 joncelli  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:54:15am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The higher the official, the greater the protection. The greater the protection, the more likely that "citizen's arrest" turns into "suicide by Secret Service agent."

167 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:54:22am

Is the big deal about "selling turtles" because they are being handled in a manner which might cause them harm?
Or something else- what if they were kittens?

168 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:54:50am

re: #158 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I managed to get through to someone at Animal Control & they said they'd send someone down to check it out right away.

From Alice in Wonderland: "We called him Tortoise because he Taught Us."

169 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:55:02am

re: #164 madisonsfriend
We are immune. Nice article in Readers Digest about boomers. We rode bikes without helmets, drank irrigation water out of hoses, pbjs, bologna at school, etc...

170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:55:22am

re: #164 madisonsfriend

I
know I was one of those kids- I think all of the turtles I tossed in
the sewer- thinking they were dead- gave birth to the little turtles
currently being sold in Philly.

I think probably things got
worse for turtle breeders. I don't really know- why are more kids
allergic to peanuts and peanut butter? I could be wrong- kids could
have been sick and died from it but didn't every school kid in America
eat peanut butter sandwiches 2X a week, 2 days was bologna(nitrates)
and one day was tuna(mercury) in the 50s and 60s(that is me)- why
aren't we dead now?

I think that peanuts have become sentient & are fighting back against being raised for food. Wait, wasn't that the premise for the latest M. Night Shamaylan train wreck?

171 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:56:06am

When conservatives flip out.....
Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed

The shotgun-wielding suspect in Sunday’s mass shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church was motivated by a hatred of “the liberal movement,” and he planned to shoot until police shot him, Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV said this morning.

Jim D. Adkisson, 58, of Powell wrote a four-page letter in which he stated his “hatred of the liberal movement,” Owen said. “Liberals in general, as well as gays.”

172 joncelli  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:56:25am

re: #115 yma o hyd

Yes, that's the other part of my complaint; if the lefties can arrest a Bush admin official for "war crimes" what's to stop a neo-nazi or white supremacist from arresting somebody they dislike?

173 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:57:15am

re: #167 Capitalist Tool

Is the big deal about "selling turtles" because they are being handled in a manner which might cause them harm?
Or something else- what if they were kittens?

It is illegal to sell them as immature turtles, you can buy full grown turtles at any pet store. And it is cruel to keep them in pint sized tanks, with no knowledge of how to care for them.

174 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:57:17am

re: #169 pingjockey

We are immune. Nice article in Readers Digest about boomers. We rode bikes without helmets, drank irrigation water out of hoses, pbjs, bologna at school, etc...

Yes, I am amazed that I am alive today- no seatbelts, crawling over into the front seat, and of course, almost no air conditioning, no computers, no cell phones, no video games and only 3 channels of Tv- we did have a record player(how did I grow up?)

175 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:57:31am

re: #162 lawhawk

Because the costs would still be higher than a straight gas powered engine, and the manufacturers lack the capacity to put batteries in all those cars.

The limitation at this point is the battery production of LiIion batteries.

OK. That is the first time that I have actually heard a valid reason.

176 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:57:54am

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Every kid I knew--back when I was one--had a couple of little pet turtles in one of those hard plastic turtle dishes with the little palm trees in it.

Nobody ever heard of salmonella. Are we that much more immuno-deficient, or are the papers just creating hysteria?

We had pet tarantulas and snakes of every sort we could catch.
My brother had a pet 'coon and we all caught possums with impunity, but let 'em go. I've a big possum living in my yard for years and pet him when I see him (he does the "lockup" thing and can't bite).

Two friends had pet hawks and one smartaleck had a coyote.

Can't imagine growing up in the city.

177 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:58:16am
178 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:58:41am

re: #172 joncelli
IIRC, to do a citizens arrest there are a bunch of legal hoops to jump through and if all the i's dotted and t's crossed you can be prosecuted for false imprisonment or the like. The huffsters are off the rails, as usual.

179 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:59:00am

#174 madisonsfriend
Do you remember mixing the color into the margarine?
/jk

180 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:59:21am

re: #174 madisonsfriend

Yes, I am amazed that I am alive today- no seatbelts, crawling over into the front seat, and of course, almost no air conditioning, no computers, no cell phones, no video games and only 3 channels of Tv- we did have a record player(how did I grow up?)

....smokers everywhere! My wife always says that if second hand smoke were a serious problem, all of the baby boomers would be dying of lung cancer.

181 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:59:33am

re: #170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I did hear that the M. Night movie had Mother Nature as the bad girl(remember the commercial -was it "don't mess with Mother Nature"?). If you are an old time Philly person- you know peanuts are sentient- Mr. Peanut used to walk along the boardwalk in AC in front of the Planters place- I had a college friend who did that one summer.

182 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:59:49am

re: #172 joncelli

Exactly!
Thats why that sort of citizen's arrest is illegal here in GB, as I'm sure its illegal in the USA.
Otherwise, anybody could arrest anybody else for 'hate' crimes - its bad enough that the police are now being told to do so.

183 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Heh. Fail.

Fuil (?)

184 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:00:09am

re: #174 madisonsfriend
Me too. :) Told my 3 boys that grampa(my dad) had an automatic channel changer, me.

185 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:00:40am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

When conservatives flip out.....
Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed

So he goes and shoots up a church- well, maybe he will be one of these current rash of guys dying mysteriously in prison before trial

186 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:01:18am

re: #183 Creeping Eruption

Heh.

187 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:01:30am

re: #159 pingjockey

I have no damn idea. I do know Detroit auto engineers are assholes. Trying to get the front end off of the 16 yr olds '97 Ford escort wagon and get the radiator out. Sheesh, need 2 nasa engineers to figure out how they hooked the shit up.

HA!
The first car I ever owned was a '71 Fiat Spider 850. The engine was about the size of a basketball. The first time that I tried to change the oil filter I couldn't find it. When I told my father this he got all irate with me...until he looked and couldn't find it either. Turned out the car had a centrifugal oil filter that had to be removed and cleaned out, not replaced. Talk about disgusting.

188 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:03am

re: #170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yep, the plants are fighting back against the hegemony of Humanity over the planet!

/Why couldn't the plants synthesize an airborne toxin that just killed the humans instead of driving them to suicide? Not enough blood for the big screen then?

189 Catttt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:12am

OT - please check these links out. The press appears to be passing offf photos of Barry in Kuwait for photos supposedly in Bagram:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Sat Jul 19, 2:28 PM ET
In this photo combination rendered from video via APTN, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama speaks to troops at Bagram Air Field, in Afghanistan, Saturday, July 19, 2008. Obama met Saturday with officials of a region of Afghanistan that has been a hotbed of Taliban and al-Qaida activity, offering his support for reconstruction and security there and throughout the country, an official said.
(AP Photo/APTN)

and the same set here, dontcha think?
Sat Jul 19, 3:07 PM ET
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
In this photo combination rendered from video via APTN, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama speaks to troops, in Kuwait, Friday, July 18, 2008. Obama met Saturday with officials of a region of Afghanistan that has been a hotbed of Taliban and al-Qaida activity, offering his support for reconstruction and security there and throughout the country, an official said.
(AP Photo/APTN)

Perhaps a human error, but it has not been pulled as far as I can see, and I have seen several pics from Kuwait posted on news sites as being from Bagram. The only photo of Barry with troops in Bagram that I've seen show him in a line-up with the command.

190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:14am

re: #187 Ford_Prefect

HA!
The first car I ever owned was a '71
Fiat Spider 850. The engine was about the size of a basketball. The
first time that I tried to change the oil filter I couldn't find it.
When I told my father this he got all irate with me...until he looked
and couldn't find it either. Turned out the car had a centrifugal oil
filter that had to be removed and cleaned out, not replaced. Talk about
disgusting.

You know what Fiat stands for, right?

191 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:30am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

Has the phrase, "Snap out of it!", gone by the wayside?

192 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:38am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I find the proliferation of alleged allergies--and alleged malaises like ADD--to be extremely suspect. If the human race were as fragile as we are making ourselves out to be, the entire species would have vanished before the Pyramids were half built.

Heh.
The human species would never have made it out for Olduvai Gorge, never mind surviving the ice age ...

193 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:39am

re: #179 UFO TOFU

No-I heard about it but I don't remember it(doesn't mean my mom didn't do it- Iwas a lazy kid when it came to certain tasks)

194 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:40am
195 Sunlight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:50am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

I think that the way to "help the US become energy independent" is not to buy a half-assed, twixt-and-tween hybrid, but to demand that the US use the oil it's got so as not to pay money out to our enemies. "Energy alternatives," if and when they come, will not arrive one second sooner for buying a car which carries two power sources instead of one.

I often agree with buzz, but not on this... I believe in buying technology in order to push the market forward. Eventually, the battery technology that is being pushed by the hybrid's success will stand us in good stead in many applications. Ultimately, I'd see my house with a good battery rechargeable from any of several sources (our nuke plant, our coal plants, natural gas, solar... whatever) then powering the house/home office/car. No peak issues for the utilities...

Also, someone above talked about how most of our oil doesn't come from the middle east and therefore our broadening of energy technologies won't make a difference in $$ going to crazy bombers. But really technology is international. Any energy technology diversification we can make palatable will be bought/ picked up somehow by other big economies (who buy the big bucks of oil from the crazy bomber countries). And wouldn't it be so cool if beneficial technologies like Japan's would come in from Israel, India, China to supplement ours to make the whole thing run better without funding our murderers.

196 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:02:52am

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I thought aliens built the pyramids.

/confused.

197 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:03:35am

re: #187 Ford_Prefect
Yuck. Got down to getting the radiator out and there are these 2 doodads holding on 2 hoses. Well, they're either prees fit or you need some damn special sooper sekret tool to get them off! Like I said assholes. Plus all the mounting bolts are metric!

198 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:03:56am

re: #184 pingjockey

Me too. :) Told my 3 boys that grampa(my dad) had an automatic channel changer, me.

That's right- my dad would make me change the channel. of course, I sat right in front of the TV- radiation pouring out onto my sensitive young brain and flesh.

199 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:03:59am

re: #196 mitthrawnurdo

I thought aliens built the pyramids.

/confused.

Just the ones in Central America.

200 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:04:13am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The shooter mentioned to the police that he hated gays and liberals, and mentioned to his neighbor extreme animosity towards Christians.

Even given that Unitarians don't fall under the umbrella of Christianity, I find it strange that every headline in the land mentions that two of his three dislikes, but leaves out the third.

Also, this is the top story every where I turn. Compare to the gunman who attacked a Christian radio station just this past Friday, with multiple weapons in his car, gunned down by police after a shootout and trying to run over police. This was barely mentioned Friday and then just dropped off the radar completely.

201 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:04:30am

re: #180 eschew_obfuscation

....smokers everywhere! My wife always says that if second hand smoke were a serious problem, all of the baby boomers would be dying of lung cancer.

I don't know about you guys, but I never wore a helmet while riding my bicycle either.

202 opnion  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:05:04am

re: #188 mitthrawnurdo

Yep, the plants are fighting back against the hegemony of Humanity over the planet!

/Why couldn't the plants synthesize an airborne toxin that just killed the humans instead of driving them to suicide? Not enough blood for the big screen then?


Wasn't that the plot of the movie 'Day of the Trifadds?"
Silly movie. I like deeper stuff like, 'Killer Clowns for Outer Space."

203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:05:07am

re: #201 Ford_Prefect

I don't know about you guys, but I never wore a helmet while riding my bicycle either.

I wear a helmet when smoking, though.

204 joncelli  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:05:51am

re: #190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You know what Fiat stands for, right?

Fix It Again, Tony!

205 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:05:57am

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the life-threatening playground equipment--jungle gyms and merry-go-rounds--on hard asphalt. Yet somehow my elementary school in no way resembled the railroad depot full of wounded in Gone With the Wind.

Nowadays, little Biff and Muffy must have safe, static plastic constructions on a deep bed of rubber. How boring. No wonder they take to early experimentation with sex and drugs.

And Dodge-ball! My all time favorite playground game....can't do that any more.

206 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:06:19am

re: #196 mitthrawnurdo

I thought aliens built the pyramids.

/confused.

It wasn't the Jews.

207 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:06:29am
208 Sunlight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:06:36am

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

BTW Drill here, drill now, pay less!
/Also

209 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:06:43am
210 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:06:57am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

When conservatives flip out.....
Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed

What, you missed Falling Down?

211 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:07:04am

Cannot vouch for this, but sounds too believable to me, so FWIW:

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass
along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the
area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As hefinished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the
Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to
know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

212 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:07:08am

re: #190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You know what Fiat stands for, right?

Fix It Again Tony.

An old Italian amn that I used to know told me that the reason Fiat's were so unreliable is because it gave Italian men a reason not to spend time with their Italian wives.

213 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:07:17am

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the life-threatening playground equipment--jungle gyms and merry-go-rounds--on hard asphalt. Yet somehow my elementary school in no way resembled the railroad depot full of wounded in Gone With the Wind.

Nowadays, little Biff and Muffy must have safe, static plastic constructions on a deep bed of rubber. How boring. No wonder they take to early experimentation with sex and drugs.

The merry go-round- I loved that- you or your friends sit on it and one of you pushes it faster and faster and jumps on- if you didn't hold on tight- uh, oh. I went to school when girls had to wear dresses or skirts- I spent a lot of years with scabby knees from scraping myself coming off the merry go round or the swings. I also fell from the jungle gym but didn't die.

214 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:07:43am

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey
Oh yeah. We had a merry go 'round that'd do about mach 5. That'd be banned quicker'n shit now. Dodge ball, Red Rover, tag, smear the
Q---r. All kinds of violent, dangerous, FUN stuff.

215 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:07:43am

re: #99 uptight

There's obvious ironies here - firstly, any Christian ministry trying to operate in Saudis would be expelled executed so fast their heads would spin roll.

Fixed.

216 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:07:53am

re: #90 yma o hyd

Might be okay as long as he ain't offering Baby Turtle Soup.

217 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:08:07am

re: #191 debutaunt

Has the phrase, "Snap out of it!", gone by the wayside?

Yes.
Its hectoring, insensitive, hurtful and damaging to all precious souls. Today, everybody is a precious soul.
Stiff upper lip is sooo last century ...

218 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:08:39am

re: #201 Ford_Prefect

I don't know about you guys, but I never wore a helmet while riding my bicycle either.

They didn't exist that I know of in the 5o's and 6o's

219 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:09:21am

re: #214 pingjockey

Oh yeah. We had a merry go 'round that'd do about mach 5. That'd be banned quicker'n shit now. Dodge ball, Red Rover, tag, smear the
Q---r. All kinds of violent, dangerous, FUN stuff.

Gawd! How can they live without dodgeball?

220 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:09:42am

re: #211 itellu3times
It was retracted. The Capt had 2nd hand info. Do a lgf search should be a linky somewhere.

221 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:02am

re: #217 yma o hyd

Yes.
Its hectoring, insensitive, hurtful and damaging to all precious souls. Today, everybody is a precious soul.
Stiff upper lip is sooo last century ...

...is give peace a chance...

222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:02am

re: #212 Ford_Prefect

Fix It Again Tony.

An
old Italian amn that I used to know told me that the reason Fiat's were
so unreliable is because it gave Italian men a reason not to spend time
with their Italian wives.

By that reasoning German cars are so well engineered so the men can spend more time with their German wives?

223 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:08am

Never wore a bicycle helmet, and didn't wear a seatbelt until I was in college.

Now it feels weird without one, like riding a roller coaster with the bar up.

224 Catttt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:36am

re: #211 itellu3times

There is currently a big to-do about that. Here are several news stories:

[Link: news.google.com...]

225 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:46am

re: #218 madisonsfriend
I don't think so. Maybe for Olympic bicyclists, but not for the public, IIRC.

226 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:51am

re: #197 pingjockey

Yuck. Got down to getting the radiator out and there are these 2 doodads holding on 2 hoses. Well, they're either prees fit or you need some damn special sooper sekret tool to get them off! Like I said assholes. Plus all the mounting bolts are metric!

Don't even get me started on metric tools.

I also had a Dodge Intrepid that required a special tool to get one of the spark plugs out. That pissed me off.

227 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:10:55am

re: #223 Silhouette

Never wore a bicycle helmet, and didn't wear a seatbelt until I was in college.

Now it feels weird without one, like riding a roller coaster with the bar up.

So easy to feel dangerous now. I think I will eat a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.

228 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:11am

I'm surprised they haven't banned football as evil land-grabbing.

229 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:14am

re: #223 Silhouette

Never wore a bicycle helmet, and didn't wear a seatbelt until I was in college.

Now it feels weird without one, like riding a roller coaster with the bar up.

How'd we all grow up semi-normal and kinda healthy?

230 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:19am

re: #211 itellu3times

Cannot vouch for this, but sounds too believable to me, so FWIW:

That Cpt. is out of line.
A report relished by many, no doubt, but outside the limits of commission.

231 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:29am

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

By that reasoning German cars are so well engineered so the men can spend more time with their German wives?

Or the Italian wives who have been left to fend for themselves.

232 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:36am

re: #200 Silhouette

The shooter mentioned to the police that he hated gays and liberals, and mentioned to his neighbor extreme animosity towards Christians.

Even given that Unitarians don't fall under the umbrella of Christianity, I find it strange that every headline in the land mentions that two of his three dislikes, but leaves out the third.


Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

233 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:45am

re: #227 madisonsfriend

So easy to feel dangerous now. I think I will eat a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.

Eat an apple with it without washing it off real well.

234 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:11:56am

re: #200 Silhouette

Or that CO church shooting, all the press on the former police office that stopped it and that she'd be terminated from her police force.

235 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:12:19am
236 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:12:22am

re: #226 Ford_Prefect
That really pisses me off when they do that. There is no damn reason for a special tool to remove spark plugs. Asshats.

237 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:12:29am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

Unitarians aren't Christians?

238 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:12:29am

re: #169 pingjockey

Can I add to the list? Hopped slow moving freights at the age of twelve. Went swimming w/o a life guard and drove cars w/o seatbelts - at speeds off the speedometer...

239 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:12:51am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

I'd go out on a limb and bet he was unaffiliated?

240 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:13:14am

re: #220 pingjockey

It was retracted. The Capt had 2nd hand info. Do a lgf search should be a linky somewhere.

The letter is fake but (probably) accurate!

241 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:13:24am

re: #233 Silhouette

Eat an apple with it without washing it off real well.

We are living dangerously. I have been known to eat a piece of fruit without washing it on the way home from the market.

242 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:14:12am

re: #238 Cap'n DOC

Can I add to the list? Hopped slow moving freights at the age of twelve. Went swimming w/o a life guard and drove cars w/o seatbelts - at speeds off the speedometer...

I still swim w/o a lifeguard but I never hopped a train.

243 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:14:12am

This was in my IN box this morning.

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone." I wanted to share with you what happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram. As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service. So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country. If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,

CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

244 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:14:28am

re: #237 madisonsfriend

Unitarians aren't Christians?

Unitarians are, well, "believers".
As far as I can tell.
They throw great parties.

245 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:14:34am

re: #238 Cap'n DOC
The more the merrier. Made a river raft out of a piece of plywood and two inner tubes. No lifejackets/helmets. Did have wore out keds for river shoes!

246 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:14:35am

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

By that reasoning German cars are so well engineered so the men can spend more time with their German wives?

No, that's what beer is for. Drink enough and the wives start to look good.

247 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:14:43am

re: #220 pingjockey

It was retracted. The Capt had 2nd hand info. Do a lgf search should be a linky somewhere.

re: #224 Catttt

Thanks guys.

Apparently on the whole thing, the truth is still out there somewhere.

248 madisonsfriend  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:15:00am

gotta go- see you later unless the unwashed fruit and peanut butter kill me.

249 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:15:16am

re: #236 pingjockey

That really pisses me off when they do that. There is no damn reason for a special tool to remove spark plugs. Asshats.

Don't forget special tools to remove lug nuts.....

250 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:15:25am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

I know how much fun it is to assume, but most conservative Christians wouldn't have had this to say:

Karen Massey, who lived two houses from Adkisson's home, told the Knoxville News Sentinel of a lengthy conversation she had with Adkisson a couple years ago after she told him her daughter had just graduated from Johnson Bible College. She said she ended up having to explain to him that she was a Christian.

"He almost turned angry," she told the newspaper. "He seemed to get angry at that. He said that everything in the Bible contradicts itself if you read it."

Massey said Adkisson talked frequently about his parents, who "made him go to church all his life. ... He acted like he was forced to do that."

from this link at Fox News

251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:15:38am

re: #244 Capitalist Tool

Unitarians are, well, "believers".
As far as I can tell.
They throw great parties.

I've been told, by a Unitarian, that Unitarianism is religion without a need for God.

252 pingjockey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:16:12am

re: #249 jcm
Is that one of Bagdad Jims' constitituents?

253 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:16:35am
254 astronmr20  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:16:39am

Not any sort of Milosivek fan here, but we see what happens when we "help" wahabbists.

We were the only hope for them to eradicate the ethnic cleansing that the Serbian nationalists brought down on them.

They repaid us with 9/11.

255 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:16:40am

re: #249 jcm

Don't forget special tools to remove lug nuts.....

Oh, did you ever stir up a bad memory of being stranded in July swelter with a blown tire in a friend's car with the Ford hubcap tool back home on her front porch.

256 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:16:49am

re: #237 madisonsfriend

Unitarians aren't Christians?

You pretty much have to ask them...one at a time.

Technically, it's the same with any Christian, but Unitarian Universalists will take just about any belief under the umbrella.

257 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've been told, by a Unitarian, that Unitarianism is religion without a need for God.

Worship a unit? Cool.

258 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:17:11am

re: #237 madisonsfriend,

The way I understand it, Unitarians kinda-sorta believe in everything, but in a non-sectarian, non-judgemental fashion. It's Church for Leftists who can't quite make the jump to atheism. So it'd be a stretch to call it "Christian".

259 Catttt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:17:14am

Ot Blackfive has info on the Bagram to-do.

Check this out: The Army Times and AP Use False Photo to Denounce "Obama Blew off the troops" email

I've seen several other uses of pics of Barry from Kuwait being passed off as Bagram pics - see my link above.

260 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:17:50am

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the life-threatening playground equipment--jungle gyms and merry-go-rounds--on hard asphalt. Yet somehow my elementary school in no way resembled the railroad depot full of wounded in Gone With the Wind.
....

And when you got tired of the playground you could always go home and whip something up with your chemistry set....

261 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:18:16am

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

That's no way to talk about your mechanic.

Back then I was my mechanic. The cars today are just too complicated though.

262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:18:37am

re: #260 CIA Reject

And when you got tired of the playground you could always go home and whip something up with your chemistry set....

My granddad had a chemistry set with friggin' uranium in it!

263 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:18:46am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

Your assumption would be wrong, but would be exactly the one the media wanted you to make.

His Christian neighbor was explaining to him that her daughter had just graduated from a Christian college, and he didn't understand.

She said she ended up having to explain to him that she was a Christian.

"He almost turned angry," she told the newspaper. "He seemed to get angry at that. He said that everything in the Bible contradicts itself if you read it."

He also expressed anger at his parents for taking him to church as a child.

This was NOT a church-loving Christian.

He reminds me of the "Christian" Eric Rudolph that the media created, who actually said "I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."

264 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:18:59am

re: #242 madisonsfriend

My parents let me stay with a friend at a cabin over a hundred miles from home - for days at a time - just the two of us. Neither of us were old enough to have a driver's license, but who needs one with a railroad running slow-moving freight to the Continental Divide?

265 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:19:02am

re: #261 Ford_Prefect

Back then I was my mechanic. The cars today are just too complicated though.

What's so compicated? You just pick up the phone and call the service center?

266 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:19:25am

GM had some memorable models in the late '70s, early '80s which needed the engine jacked- up to change plugs.
Then there was the modular Pontiac Fiero...

And they wonder why Toyota is kicking their cans.

267 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:19:26am

re: #262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My granddad had a chemistry set with friggin' uranium in it!

But when he left home for school, Great-Grandma gave it to that little Hussein boy down the street, Saddam.

268 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:19:42am

re: #250 OldLineTexan

Hmmm.... interesting. there's another clue here.....
Hatred of others continues to emerge as motive


The man who is accused of Sunday's church shooting was described Monday by a long-time acquaintance as a loner who hates "blacks, gays and anyone different from him.''

An accomplished musician, Jim David Adkisson was carrying a shotgun instead of a guitar in a guitar case when he went into Tennessee Valley Universalist Unitarian Church Sunday morning and started shooting.

Adkisson's ex-wife, Liza Alexander of Powell, was a former long-time member of the church, congregant Barbara Kemper said Monday.

269 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:08am

re: #252 pingjockey

Is that one of Bagdad Jims' constitituents?

On the Peninsula, Norm Dicks.

270 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:10am

re: #260 CIA Reject

And when you got tired of the playground you could always go home and whip something up with your chemistry set....

Mt brothers had a small room in our basement called "the lab." In reality I think it was an old darkroom. In any case, it had these amazing wood counters that never burnt through, and no ventilation - 0f course. I cannot tell you how many hours we spent in there with chem sets, model rocket engines, and generally flammable material.

271 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:15am

It was a Different World when we were kids.

Helping my daughter shop for new granddaughter, I could not believe all the crap that she thinks she needs. Most of the stuff out there is designed so that you do not have to interact with your baby.

272 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:20am

re: #265 Nevergiveup

What's so compicated? You just pick up the phone and call the service center?

For a minimum charge of $600.

273 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:28am

re: #254 astronmr20

Did you read the article?

274 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:20:45am

re: #266 Capitalist Tool

GM had some memorable models in the late '70s, early '80s which needed the engine jacked- up to change plugs.
Then there was the modular Pontiac Fiero...

And they wonder why Toyota is kicking their cans.

Everything GM made in the 70's and 80's is quite forgettable.

275 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:21:00am

re: #262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My granddad had a chemistry set with friggin' uranium in it!


mmmm. could have made a dirty bomb..
better report him..
/

276 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:21:04am

re: #262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We used to go to the pharmacy and buy mercury to use shining up dimes for our coin collections. We played with it.

277 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:21:30am

re: #266 Capitalist Tool

GM had some memorable models in the late '70s, early '80s which needed the engine jacked- up to change plugs.
Then there was the modular Pontiac Fiero...

And they wonder why Toyota is kicking their cans.

I had a co-worker with a 1985 GM something (sedan). You had to remove the front wheels to change the plugs.

But a GM 1985 p/u was the last vehicle I owned that I worked on. Since then, I'm not sure what some of the parts are.

278 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:03am

We still have such marvelous tech adbvances as side- post batteries in new vehicles...

Henry Ford payed his men the equiv. of $100/hr. in today's money and took the world by storm.

It's corporate bureaucracy and committee and study group and planned obsolescence and lying, cheating ...

279 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:05am

re: #261 Ford_Prefect

Back then I was my mechanic. The cars today are just too complicated though.

My van the transmission is sealed, I can't even check the fluid level.

280 UFO TOFU  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:06am

#260 CIA Reject
Really. We used to buy mercury down at the corner drug store. Good times!

281 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:20am

re: #276 eschew_obfuscation

We used to go to the pharmacy and buy mercury to use shining up dimes for our coin collections. We played with it.

My wife and I were just talking about playing with mercury after thermometers broke. We loved how the little "balls" would roll across the floor.

282 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:21am

re: #276 eschew_obfuscation

We used to go to the pharmacy and buy mercury to use shining up dimes for our coin collections. We played with it.

I think you took the term "Mercury dime" way too literally.

283 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:46am

re: #271 newsjunkie_ky,

If you are so unfortunate as to be punished with a baby, why wouold you want to interact with it?

[/Sarc]

284 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:22:48am

re: #274 Son of the Black Dog

Everything GM made in the 70's and 80's is quite forgettable.

I stand corrected, liking your phraseology ever so much better than my own.

285 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:23:01am

re: #276 eschew_obfuscation

We used to go to the pharmacy and buy mercury to use shining up dimes for our coin collections. We played with it.

In chemistry class, I dropped the container of mercury that was passed around. The instructor murdered me with his eyes.

286 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:23:17am

NPR DID mention that many faculty members (Leftist professors) of the local University were present at the church, so that makes sense.

re: #258 Iron Fist

,

The way I understand it, Unitarians kinda-sorta believe in everything, but in a non-sectarian, non-judgemental fashion. It's Church for Leftists who can't quite make the jump to atheism. So it'd be a stretch to call it "Christian".

287 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:23:35am

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Oof, pissed off at the ex?

I guess that explain why that particular church, although he sounds like he had plenty of problems.

The misleading headlines are still pissing me off. The media (even Fox) so need this guy to be a typical bitter clingy white person.

288 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:23:39am

re: #282 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Same here, 'cept we'd just break a thermometer when no one was looking...

289 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:23:44am

re: #278 Capitalist Tool

and lying, cheating ...

Wait are we talking about John Edwards again?

290 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:24:00am
291 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:24:26am

re: #278 Capitalist Tool

We still have such marvelous tech adbvances as side- post batteries in new vehicles...

Henry Ford payed his men the equiv. of $100/hr. in today's money and took the world by storm.

It's corporate bureaucracy and committee and study group and planned obsolescence and lying, cheating ...

And still had enough money to pay goons to watch them through their windows at home.

Ford was a real jerk.

292 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:24:32am

re: #274 Son of the Black Dog

Everything GM made in the 70's and 80's is quite forgettable.

Come on. What about the mid 70's Firebird with the big bird on the hood and the 8-track that came standard with Journeys Greatest Hits?

293 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:24:35am

re: #243 rawmuse

I got it, too, and immediately chastised the sender for spreading easily refutable garbage-gossip. No fake-but-accurate for me!... even if this sort of behavior is what I would expect from B. Hussein. I hate that sort of email, and it always ticks me off when friends mindlessly forward them.

294 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:24:38am

re: #232 Killgore Trout

I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself.

And I assume that your anti-Christian bigotry is showing yet again.

295 Nevergiveup  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:24:46am

re: #285 debutaunt

In chemistry class, I dropped the container of mercury that was passed around. The instructor murdered me with his eyes.

I never dropped any mercury, but in Organic, I won the golden hammer award for breaking the most beakers. It was a hell of alot easier than cleaning them!

296 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:25:08am

re: #289 experiencedtraveller

Wait are we talking about John Edwards again?

He is such a pathetic lowlife.

297 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:25:36am

re: #285 debutaunt

In chemistry class, I dropped the container of mercury that was passed around. The instructor murdered me with his eyes.

....and now we need the hazmat team when we break a CFL.

298 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:25:48am

re: #287 OldLineTexan

Did you read the whole article? There's more misdirection involved than just the stinky headlines. I linked it above.

299 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:25:53am

re: #268 Killgore Trout

Ah, the ex-wife! I wonder if it will even matter to the press who have already decided what the "truth" is here: He hated liberals; therefore, he is a Baptist Bush-voter, a 2nd amendment nut who probably doesn't recycle.

His hate for Christians will not be mentioned which, even considering it is a Unitarian church and not precisely Christian, would be a very relevant point.

300 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:26:09am

re: #293 cookielady

I got it, too, and immediately chastised the sender for spreading easily refutable garbage-gossip. No fake-but-accurate for me!... even if this sort of behavior is what I would expect from B. Hussein. I hate that sort of email, and it always ticks me off when friends mindlessly forward them.

Yeah, I thought the real story would out, and probably here. Thanks for confirming my suspicions.

301 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:26:55am

re: #298 cookielady

Did you read the whole article? There's more misdirection involved than just the stinky headlines. I linked it above.

I read the Fox article. Is there a better one?

/btw, the headline is enough for me.

302 Son of the Black Dog  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:27:18am

re: #292 Ford_Prefect

Come on. What about the mid 70's Firebird with the big bird on the hood and the 8-track that came standard with Journeys Greatest Hits?

Considering the engines GM was building by the mid-70's,
the big bird on the hood should have been Big Bird.

303 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:27:23am

re: #296 debutaunt

He is such a pathetic lowlife.


I'll see your "pathetic lowlife" John Edwards and raise you an Al Gore.

304 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:27:31am

re: #283 Iron Fist

,

If you are so unfortunate as to be punished with a baby, why wouold you want to interact with it?

[/Sarc]


You channelling obamarama?
It is the beginning of the nanny state, starting them off with no need for a mommy or a daddy.

305 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:27:44am

re: #302 Son of the Black Dog

Considering the engines GM was building by the mid-70's,
the big bird on the hood should have been Big Bird.

Classic!

306 johnnyreb  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:28:21am

re: #164 madisonsfriend

I know I was one of those kids- I think all of the turtles I tossed in the sewer- thinking they were dead- gave birth to the little turtles currently being sold in Philly.

I think probably things got worse for turtle breeders. I don't really know- why are more kids allergic to peanuts and peanut butter? I could be wrong- kids could have been sick and died from it but didn't every school kid in America eat peanut butter sandwiches 2X a week, 2 days was bologna(nitrates) and one day was tuna(mercury) in the 50s and 60s(that is me)- why aren't we dead now?

I suspect the answer is most of the kids then died very very young if they had these issues. Infant mortality rate has been dropping like a stone for decades.

307 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:28:56am

re: #297 eschew_obfuscation

....and now we need the hazmat team when we break a CFL.

Really! Freeways are shut down for hours.

308 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:29:00am

re: #302 Son of the Black Dog

Considering the engines GM was building by the mid-70's,
the big bird on the hood should have been Big Bird.

Why not. Don't they have Kermit promoting their 'green' cars.

309 turn  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:29:13am

re: #214 pingjockey

Oh yeah. We had a merry go 'round that'd do about mach 5. That'd be banned quicker'n shit now. Dodge ball, Red Rover, tag, smear the
Q---r. All kinds of violent, dangerous, FUN stuff.

Getting caught up on the thread and when I heard merry go round it brought back memories of this. Yes people really are this stupid.

310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:18am

re: #303 Capitalist Tool

I'll see your "pathetic lowlife" John Edwards and raise you an Al Gore.

Ha, I got a pair, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

311 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:23am

re: #262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My granddad had a chemistry set with friggin' uranium in it!

While we were growing up our next-door neighbor was a senior salesman for Eli Lilly & Co. You shoulda seen his chemistry set!

Saved my parents quite a bit on prescriptions for us kids on the rare occasions when we were actually sick too.

312 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:25am
313 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:36am

re: #292 Ford_Prefect

Come on. What about the mid 70's Firebird with the big bird on the hood and the 8-track that came standard with Journeys Greatest Hits?

The Flaming Chicken!

Those are gen-you-ine collectors' items now.

314 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:40am

re: #307 debutaunt

Really! Freeways are shut down for hours.

Good thing the crew I hung with are all too old and don't pack around their BB guns anymore... no freeway would go unsnarled.

315 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:43am

re: #303 Capitalist Tool

I'll see your "pathetic lowlife" John Edwards and raise you an AlGore.

I will go write my concession speech after that!

316 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:30:56am

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ha, I got a pair, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

That's a trio. Put "Cracker Bob" Beckel as the **** in the middle.

317 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:31:37am

re: #310 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ha, I got a pair, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton

My three queens will beat that: Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, and Nancy Pelosi

I win! What's the pot?

318 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:31:44am

Sometimes when I take a lot of pictures at an event, when I'm sorting through them and choosing the best ones I need to categorize them in various folders, to make sense of what I've got. Often the folders have titles like "funny signs," "kaffiyehs," "counter-protesters," "eccentrics," and so on. But this time around, for the event I went to yesterday that I mentioned on last night's thread, the categories necessarily are, "fetish costumes," "beer," "flaccid," "erect," "oral," "anal," "pissing" and "ejaculating."

This is gonna be insane.

319 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:31:49am

So as parents, we are left walking the line between protecting our children, and still giving them enough 'sharp edges' in the world so they can learn.

My goal is to always be a bit less protective than they need me to be for their age, so they can fail, but not too terribly.

320 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:31:55am

re: #309 turn

Getting caught up on the thread and when I heard merry go round it brought back memories of this. Yes people really are this stupid.

[Link: youtube.com...]

My grandma's home town back in the early '60's had a quad Bofors gun mount off of a WWII ship. All the hand crank wheels worked, you could crank the platform around raise and lower the guns. All those gears and wheels and pinch points. It was fabulous.

321 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:32:19am

re: #304 newsjunkie_ky,

I'm just extrapolating from the words of the Great Lightworker Himself on children. You do have to hate it for his kids. They're too young to understand that Daddy's too important to bother with them.

322 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:32:19am

re: #303 Capitalist Tool

I'll see your "pathetic lowlife" John Edwards and raise you an Al Gore.

I disagree. Gore is just a pandering opportunist who found a gimmick he can pump for money. If he wasn't such an obvious hypocrite and poseur then I'd dislike him more. As it is he is just an unusually successful huckster who graduated from small time politician to big time confidence artist. Edwards on the other hand has done real damage to the health care system in America. People may die because of him.

323 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:32:30am

re: #318 zombie

So, you've decided to publish the Folsom Fiasco?

324 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:32:41am

re: #318 zombie

Sometimes when I take a lot of pictures at an event, when I'm sorting through them and choosing the best ones I need to categorize them in various folders, to make sense of what I've got. Often the folders have titles like "funny signs," "kaffiyehs," "counter-protesters," "eccentrics," and so on. But this time around, for the event I went to yesterday that I mentioned on last night's thread, the categories necessarily are, "fetish costumes," "beer," "flaccid," "erect," "oral," "anal," "pissing" and "ejaculating."

This is gonna be insane.

Oh good lord...

=^0

325 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:32:49am

re: #319 Silhouette

And your kids will be well-raised and capable because of your philosophy. Kudos!

326 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:33:03am

re: #312 buzzsawmonkey

Funny, every now and then I run across some lefty screed which says that the US's infant mortality rate is somewhere akin to that of Upper Volta, or something, and that we are put to shame by Cuba.

I've been told that that is because we actually get more babies born with our high-level medical care than a lot of other countries where such babies would be still-born. Haven't ever verified that.

327 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:33:19am

Has anyone seen the new X-Files movie?

328 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:33:20am

re: #318 zombie

You say "beer" like it's a bad thing....

/

329 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:33:29am
330 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:33:51am

re: #318 zombie

This is gonna be insane.

Are you putting in one of those "in between" webpages that asks to confirm they are over 18?

331 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:33:54am

re: #327 newsjunkie_ky

Has anyone seen the new X-Files movie?

zombie has!

Oh, wait a minute...that was the X-Rated Files, sorry!

332 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:34:08am

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

yuccckkkk

333 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:34:23am

re: #318 zombie

Holy disgust, zombie!

334 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:34:33am

re: #318 zombie

I think there is some danger that your work could influence you. When two objects in motion collide neither continues on their original course.

335 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:34:46am

re: #317 cookielady

My three queens will beat that: Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, and Nancy Pelosi

I win! What's the pot?

Pot!

336 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:34:50am

re: #323 Capitalist Tool

So, you've decided to publish the Folsom Fiasco?

Well, this wasn't the Folsom Fair, but a related event. But the answer is: Yes. It's gonna take me a few days to get it all together. A lot of extra work is involved (blurring, "on-click" coding, etc.).

337 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:35:08am

re: #325 cookielady

But when I used those exact words "A little LESS protective that they need me to be" with a group of moms, didn't I get the blank stares.

338 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:35:30am

re: #335 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Pot!

I'll take Calphalon, please. Or anything from Emeril.

;0)

339 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:35:38am

re: #327 newsjunkie_ky

Has anyone seen the new X-Files movie?

I can't say or the men in black will come get me.

340 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:35:47am

re: #336 zombie

Well, this wasn't the Folsom Fair, but a related event. But the answer is: Yes. It's gonna take me a few days to get it all together. A lot of extra work is involved (blurring, "on-click" coding, etc.).

I think that you are to be applauded for your efforts and your bravery.

341 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:35:58am

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

Don't know if you should get an upding or downding for that.

342 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:04am

re: #330 Silhouette

Are you putting in one of those "in between" webpages that asks to confirm they are over 18?

Yes. Definitely Yes.

343 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:06am

re: #318 zombie,

Their Momma's going to be soooo proud of them! Gah! I need brain bleach after just thinking about it!

344 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:22am

re: #339 Silhouette

I can't say or the men in black will come get me.

And no one knows where they are. Totten found the Women in Black, though.

345 turn  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:44am

re: #262 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I had one of those killer chemistry sets when I was a kid, you know the ones that had stuff the blew up and smoked. Also when I was about 7 or 8 my friends and I actually found a place to buy glow in the dark paint (yes it had radium in it). We were so stupid with that stuff. My buddy actually painted his eyelids with it so he would look like the mummy or something in the dark. Thankfully his dad (who was probably the only one of the neighborhood parents who actually understood the dangers in this) caught us in the act and made him wash it off immediately. That was the last we ever saw of that glow in the dark paint.

346 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:50am

re: #329 buzzsawmonkey

Don't for get to add "pacifist" to the categories for your next outing to the Folsom Street Fair.

Those are probably the only people who can pass a fist with ease.

Ha ha!

However, strangely, I didn't see any fisting. I want my money back! (Wait, it was free...)

347 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:58am

re: #322 lifeofthemind

I disagree. Gore is just a pandering opportunist who found a gimmick he can pump for money. If he wasn't such an obvious hypocrite and poseur then I'd dislike him more. As it is he is just an unusually successful huckster who graduated from small time politician to big time confidence artist. Edwards on the other hand has done real damage to the health care system in America. People may die because of him.

AlGore = Bloviating Mountebank.

I hope "Manbearpig" follows him around 'til the end of his days.

John Edwards (and millionaire ambulance-chasers like him) on the other hand, is a genuine menace.

348 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:36:59am

re: #327 newsjunkie_ky

Has anyone seen the new X-Files movie?

I have absolutely no interest in it. Its time has past. Maybe if they had done it a few years back.

349 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:37:35am

re: #318 zombie

Sometimes when I take a lot of pictures at an event, when I'm sorting through them and choosing the best ones I need to categorize them in various folders, to make sense of what I've got. Often the folders have titles like "funny signs," "kaffiyehs," "counter-protesters," "eccentrics," and so on. But this time around, for the event I went to yesterday that I mentioned on last night's thread, the categories necessarily are, "fetish costumes," "beer," "flaccid," "erect," "oral," "anal," "pissing" and "ejaculating."

This is gonna be insane.

With Nancy Pelosi running Congress, all she needs is Hussein in office so she can take these San Francisco values nationwide.

350 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:38:31am

re: #334 rawmuse

I think there is some danger that your work could influence you. When two objects in motion collide neither continues on their original course.

Yeah, I've been changed alright. I'm never having sex again for the rest of my life.

/did I really witness all that? Shudder.

351 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:38:41am

re: #349 Lizard by the Bay

With Nancy Pelosi running Congress, all she needs is Hussein in office so she can take these San Francisco values nationwide.

Wouldn't it be fun to take her down there and make her watch?

I realize that's un-American of me, but wouldn't it be fun?

Newsome, Boxer, and Feinstein too.

352 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:38:47am

re: #327 newsjunkie_ky,

It sucks. Badly. Two hours of my life I can never get back.

I don't recommend it.

353 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:38:50am

I've been reading too much politics. I just received an email from Omaha steaks, and read it as Obama steaks.

354 turn  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:38:54am

re: #320 jcm

My grandma's home town back in the early '60's had a quad Bofors gun mount off of a WWII ship. All the hand crank wheels worked, you could crank the platform around raise and lower the guns. All those gears and wheels and pinch points. It was fabulous.

And if you were anything like me as a boy you probably tried to figure a way to arm the thing with M80's and shoot it too.

355 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:39:10am

re: #337 Silhouette

But when I used those exact words "A little LESS protective that they need me to be" with a group of moms, didn't I get the blank stares.

Perhaps they are confused, because it makes perfect sense to me. Protect your children as you are able, shelter them enough to give them a safe place to run when they need that protection, and let them grow up understanding that actions have consequences, risk includes the possibility of failure as well as success, and freedom is entirely based upon responsibility.

That was a mouthful. And speaking of mouthfuls, I need to cook. bbl

356 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:39:13am

re: #320 jcm

My grandma's home town back in the early '60's had a quad Bofors gun mount off of a WWII ship. All the hand crank wheels worked, you could crank the platform around raise and lower the guns. All those gears and wheels and pinch points. It was fabulous.

we literally had a childrens playground that, while it had the standard playground equipment for the 60's, it also had some engineless and windowless old army jeeps and army ambulances, old fire trucks, and other assorted old construction vehicles....for a 6 year old boy it was like being in heaven.

357 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:39:37am

re: #353 Silhouette

I've been reading too much politics. I just received an email from Omaha steaks, and read it as Obama steaks.

PUT DOWN THE MOUSE AND STEP AWAY FROM THE MONITOR

/LOL

358 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:40:07am

re: #351 OldLineTexan

Wouldn't it be fun to take her down there and make her watch?

I realize that's un-American of me, but wouldn't it be fun?

Newsome, Boxer, and Feinstein too.

They would all love it, for "diversity's" sake.

359 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:40:17am
360 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:40:24am

re: #353 Silhouette

I've been reading too much politics. I just received an email from Omaha steaks, and read it as Obama steaks.

There's a funny spinoff in there somewhere.

361 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:41:00am

re: #350 zombie

Yeah, I've been changed alright. I'm never having sex again for the rest of my life.

/did I really witness all that? Shudder.

Because of some of the links a friend of mine (with a truly sick sense of humor) has sent me, I can relate... almost. At least I didn't have to witness it in person.

362 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:41:01am

re: #358 Lizard by the Bay

They would all love it, for "diversity's" sake.

I'm going to bet the opposite...except for Newsome, he seems "diverse".

The three old ladies would need barf bags, I reckon.

363 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:41:27am

re: #327 newsjunkie_ky

I haven't, but I just learned that aliens will start colonizing the Earth on December 22, 2012.

364 cookielady  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:41:29am

re: #359 buzzsawmonkey

"We are the well-marbled premium cuts we have been waiting for."

Cannibalism! Diversity!

365 johnnyreb  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:41:35am

re: #326 eschew_obfuscation

I've been told that that is because we actually get more babies born with our high-level medical care than a lot of other countries where such babies would be still-born. Haven't ever verified that.

I still remember the late 1950s as a kid, it seemed like there were way more families then that had a baby that had died. Not sure if it just my faulty memory though.

366 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:42:02am

re: #295 Nevergiveup

I never dropped any mercury, but in Organic, I won the golden hammer award for breaking the most beakers. It was a hell of alot easier than cleaning them!

I never broke anything but I learned a very valuable lesson in General Chemistry Lab in college - the experiment was separating a copper-nickel alloy by dissolving it in nitric acid. The instructions were step-by-step:

1) Place alloy sample in beaker (ah, OK)

2) Cover alloy sample with nitric acid (ah, OK)

3) Assemble ring stand and bunsen burner (ah, OK)

4) Place beaker with sample on ring stand (ah, OK)

5) Light bunsen burner and heat beaker with sample (ah, OK)

[ PAGE TURN]

5) (cont'd) INSURE THAT RING STAND AND BURNER ARE UNDER THE VENTILATION HOOD AND THE VENTILATION FAN IS OPERATING.

(Huh?)

About that time the entire class starts hacking and wheezing from breathing the fumes from TEN BEAKERS OF BOILING NITRIC ACID. Somebody hit the emergency gas shut-off and we all bailed out of the lab- class dismissed!

Oh, and the lesson: always read ALL of the instructions before you do anything!

367 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:42:13am

re: #356 Spider Mensch

we literally had a childrens playground that, while it had the standard playground equipment for the 60's, it also had some engineless and windowless old army jeeps and army ambulances, old fire trucks, and other assorted old construction vehicles....for a 6 year old boy it was like being in heaven.

Couple weeks ago we took a long weekend and went to the beach. One day it was too windy and cold on the beach so we found a play ground on at a school. Suddenly the boys (3 & 4 years old) are gone. The school bus yard was right next to the playground they found an open school bus.

368 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:42:18am
369 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:42:28am

re: #294 Lizard by the Bay

Sorry but his dislike for gays and liberals are more common in conservative Christians than among rabid atheists. I'm just trying to put together the pieces of the puzzle.

370 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:42:48am

re: #351 OldLineTexan

Wouldn't it be fun to take her down there and make her watch?


I realize that's un-American of me, but wouldn't it be fun?


Newsome, Boxer, and Feinstein too.

Watching is hopefully all they'd do.
/shudder

371 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:43:41am

re: #359 buzzsawmonkey,

Obama looks rather stringy to me. And there's no telling what shape his liver's in after all the drugs. Inedible, even with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

372 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:44:18am

re: #363 mitthrawnurdo

I haven't, but I just learned that aliens will start colonizing the Earth on December 22, 2012.

That was in the last episode of the series, wasn't it?

373 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:44:45am

re: #365 johnnyreb

I still remember the late 1950s as a kid, it seemed like there were way more families then that had a baby that had died. Not sure if it just my faulty memory though.

No, I'm sure you are right. Everyone my parent's age had at least one brother or sister not make it.

374 turn  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:44:57am

re: #371 Iron Fist

,

Obama looks rather stringy to me. And there's no telling what shape his liver's in after all the drugs. Inedible, even with fava beans and a nice Chianti.

No problem, arugula is said to be very cleansing ...

375 Creeping Eruption  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:45:34am

re: #374 turn

No problem, arugula is said to be very cleansing ...

Quit waffling you two and just EAT!

376 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:45:41am

re: #353 Silhouette

I've been reading too much politics. I just received an email from Omaha steaks, and read it as Obama steaks.

Order now & get a dozen free waffles!

377 Dolphin  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:46:10am

re: #211 itellu3times

re: #243 rawmuse

Snopes says false.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

378 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:46:10am

re: #317 cookielady

My three queens will beat that: Hillary Clinton, Michelle Obama, and Nancy Pelosi

I win! What's the pot?

I got a full house
/Congress

379 mitthrawnurdo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:46:27am

re: #372 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I believe so.

I only remember the 1st two seasons of that show. There were some cool "monsters of the week", but after the 2nd season, I started to get bored with the show.

380 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:46:28am

re: #334 rawmuse

I think there is some danger that your work could influence you. When two objects in motion collide neither continues on their original course.

yeah, he could get in too far and be really hurt by it; like that film with Nick Cage "8mm". some scary stuff.

381 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:46:35am
382 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:47:24am

re: #317 cookielady

BC Bud.

383 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:47:36am

re: #350 zombie

Yeah, I've been changed alright. I'm never having sex again for the rest of my life.

/did I really witness all that? Shudder.

What you are witnessing is a human act that should be sacred, being made profane. But, you knew that.

384 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:47:52am

re: #379 mitthrawnurdo

I believe so.

I
only remember the 1st two seasons of that show. There were some cool
"monsters of the week", but after the 2nd season, I started to get
bored with the show.

When it was good, I think it was the best show on TV. But there were some bad episodes, though.

385 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:48:14am

I'm just glad that one guy didn't have much "oomph" to his climax when he ejaculated out of the second story window. His semen didn't go very far and only landed on the people on the sidewalk directly below. I stepped back instinctually, but in reality I was safe and there was no chance it was going to reach me.

386 johnnyreb  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:48:15am

re: #368 buzzsawmonkey

There were at least two kids in my class who had problems from bouts with polio.


We had that too, it was quite common actually where I grew up as there was no vaccine for it yet. But I don't remember any of the dying from it. Just had to have to braces and stuff that we used to tease them about.

387 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:48:18am

re: #363 mitthrawnurdo

On the date of the Mayan calender's end? Oh no!

388 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:48:30am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

Sorry but his dislike for gays and liberals are more common in conservative Christians than among rabid atheists. I'm just trying to put together the pieces of the puzzle.

...by heavily relying on your own prejudices (which in this case were dead wrong).

389 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:48:39am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

Sorry but his dislike for gays and liberals are more common in conservative Christians than among rabid atheists. I'm just trying to put together the pieces of the puzzle.

You have statistics or somethin' to back that up?

On the other hand, when the local Gay groups wanted to get the city to set aside time for their display of gay- friendly street- light banners (you know the type) their spokesman said on TV that they had every right to that display media "just like Christmas".
Such statements don't help their cause.

No?
piss Christ art?
elephant- dung Mary?

At some point people get sick of it.

390 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:49:00am

re: #377 Dolphin

re: #243 rawmuse

Snopes says false.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

OK, but who verifies Snopes?

391 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:49:16am

re: #385 zombie

Dude. This is going to be quite the report.

392 rwmofo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:49:22am

Bob Novak has been hospitalized with a brain tumor.

Hopefully he can beat this. He's done some heavy lifting for us for a very long time.

393 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:49:31am

re: #362 OldLineTexan

I'm going to bet the opposite...except for Newsome, he seems "diverse".

The three old ladies would need barf bags, I reckon.

You know nothing of our California liberals.

394 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:49:44am

re: #385 zombie

I'm just glad that one guy didn't have much "oomph" to his climax when he ejaculated out of the second story window. His semen didn't go very far and only landed on the people on the sidewalk directly below. I stepped back instinctually, but in reality I was safe and there was no chance it was going to reach me.

Did he get an ass- whuppin'?

395 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:50:07am
396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:50:08am

re: #385 zombie

I'm just glad that one guy didn't have much "oomph" to his climax
when he ejaculated out of the second story window. His semen didn't go
very far and only landed on the people on the sidewalk directly below.
I stepped back instinctually, but in reality I was safe and there was
no chance it was going to reach me.

Were they going for distance? On second thought, don't answer that.

397 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:50:13am

re: #390 debutaunt

OK, but who verifies Snopes?

Wiki!

/ducks & runs

398 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:50:58am

re: #377 Dolphin

Got it. I did not forward it. Merely posted it here because I knew the truth would out here, and it did.

399 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:51:06am
400 turn  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:51:37am

re: #392 rwmofo

Bob Novak has been hospitalized with a brain tumor.

Hopefully he can beat this. He's done some heavy lifting for us for a very long time.

That could very well explain him hitting the pedestrian and not knowing it, he could have blacked out momentarily.

401 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:51:43am

re: #385 zombie

WTF?!?

And yet, college girls get arrested for flashing their boobies during Mardi Gras...

402 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:07am

re: #385 zombie

He probably failed to adjust for wind conditions.

403 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:11am

re: #390 debutaunt
Good point. snopes like everyone else has an agenda.

404 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:16am

re: #385 zombie

I'm just glad that one guy didn't have much "oomph" to his climax when he ejaculated out of the second story window. His semen didn't go very far and only landed on the people on the sidewalk directly below. I stepped back instinctually, but in reality I was safe and there was no chance it was going to reach me.

Reminds me of a porn "blooper" video I saw. Camera man is closing in on the action and then starts yelling "GET ME A TOWEL. NOW!"

405 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:21am

re: #385 zombie

EWWWWW!
MIND BLEACH!
EWWWWW!

406 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:24am

re: #401 Spiny Norman

WTF?!?

And yet, college girls get arrested for flashing their boobies during Mardi Gras...

Not in my Mardi Gras in my mind, they don't.

407 turn  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:27am

re: #396 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL

408 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:35am

re: #397 eschew_obfuscation

Wiki!

/ducks & runs

It strikes me funny the way we assume Snopes is always right.

409 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:40am
410 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:48am

re: #402 rawmuse,

And elevation. Elevation will bite you in the ass!

411 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:57am

re: #392 rwmofo

Bob Novak has been hospitalized with a brain tumor.

Hopefully he can beat this. He's done some heavy lifting for us for a very long time.

HuffPo shuts down comments in 5... 4... 3...

412 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:52:59am

re: #393 Lizard by the Bay

You know nothing of our California liberals.

So the kindly grandma acts are just that, acts?

Or is Pelosi a Leather Mistress or something?

I know not to trust Dianne "Trigger Finger" Feinstein around a gun, but I thought that was all libs.

413 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:53:04am

re: #388 Lizard by the Bay

by heavily relying on your own prejudices (which in this case were dead wrong).


We still haven't determined his religious beliefs. He might have been a rabid atheist or some religion of his own invention. He might also be an altra conservative Christian who hated others as heretics. We'll know more when they publish his wacky manifesto.

414 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:53:48am

re: #402 rawmuse

He probably failed to adjust for wind conditions.

Short barrel?

415 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:53:51am

OK, this thread just turned really weird. I need a drink & a shower.

416 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:53:52am

Is there no such thing as indecent exposure and sex crime in California?

417 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:54:37am

re: #385 zombie

Get back to work! The world awaits the next report!

418 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:54:44am

re: #415 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

OK, this thread just turned really weird. I need a drink & a shower.

At this point, don't ask for either in SF...

419 newsjunkie_ky  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:55:04am

I think my comment gotten eaten.

snopes like everyone else has an agenda.

420 Cap'n DOC  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:55:27am

re: #399 buzzsawmonkey

re: #402 rawmuse


LOL.

421 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:55:30am

re: #416 Capitalist Tool

Is there no such thing as indecent exposure and sex crime in California?

Indecent exposure? Go commit your hate crimes somewhere else! Hate crimes!
///

422 Spider Mensch  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:55:37am

re: #367 jcm

Couple weeks ago we took a long weekend and went to the beach. One day it was too windy and cold on the beach so we found a play ground on at a school. Suddenly the boys (3 & 4 years old) are gone. The school bus yard was right next to the playground they found an open school bus.


my father was on the Battleship North Carolina BB-55 during WW 2. during the 60's he'd pack the family up every summer for the drive to Wilmington NC were the Show boat was moored as a show piece for the annual reunion. talks about fun for a little boy. it was great. Because it was a reunion for all the old vets, who weren't that old then anyhow, they'd open up everything on the ship. you could play with the .30 cal machine guns. go in the 5 inch gun turrets, in the 16 inch cannon turrets crawl all over that ship. it was the best vacation every year. and Dad got to see all his old navy buddies from the war.

423 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:55:49am

re: #318 zombie

I shudder in horrified anticipation.

424 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:55:53am

re: #416 Capitalist Tool

Is there no such thing as indecent exposure and sex crime in California?

Oh yes! There very definitely is. But this is San Francisco were talking about. It's like a whole nuther country planet.

425 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:56:01am

re: #318 zombie

what will you title it?sodom on the bay?lol

426 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:56:08am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

altra Conservative Christians are always going on about how self-contradictory the Bible is.

427 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:56:19am

Speaking of liberals, one of the most liberal NJ Assemblymen, resigned today after child porn was found on his legislative computer last week.

Good riddance.

428 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:56:44am

re: #416 Capitalist Tool

Depends, sadly, on the circumstances and the venue.

429 johnnyreb  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:56:45am

re: #413 Killgore Trout

We still haven't determined his religious beliefs. He might have been a rabid atheist or some religion of his own invention. He might also be an altra conservative Christian who hated others as heretics. We'll know more when they publish his wacky manifesto.

Or he might just simply be a nut job that decided to listen to the voices in his head. Manifesto guys are sometimes like that.

430 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:57:11am

re: #427 lawhawk

Speaking of liberals, one of the most liberal NJ Assemblymen, resigned today after child porn was found on his legislative computer last week.

Good riddance.

He'll move to San Fran before the year is out.

431 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:57:16am

re: #412 OldLineTexan

So the kindly grandma acts are just that, acts?

Or is Pelosi a Leather Mistress or something?

I know not to trust Dianne "Trigger Finger" Feinstein around a gun, but I thought that was all libs.

Pelosi doesn't represent the most anti-American, pro-perversion Congressional district by being a closet conservative. Her constituents can do no wrong in her eyes, because like a good liberal she doesn't believe in "wrong", unless there are white men or Christians involved.

432 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:57:31am

re: #291 OldLineTexan

And still had enough money to pay goons to watch them through their windows at home.

Ford was a real jerk.

And a major anti-Semite who published the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the newspaper he owned.

433 jcm  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:57:32am

re: #422 Spider Mensch

my father was on the Battleship North Carolina BB-55 during WW 2. during the 60's he'd pack the family up every summer for the drive to Wilmington NC were the Show boat was moored as a show piece for the annual reunion. talks about fun for a little boy. it was great. Because it was a reunion for all the old vets, who weren't that old then anyhow, they'd open up everything on the ship. you could play with the .30 cal machine guns. go in the 5 inch gun turrets, in the 16 inch cannon turrets crawl all over that ship. it was the best vacation every year. and Dad got to see all his old navy buddies from the war.

Now that's so cool! The boy and adult in me is so green with envy.

434 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:57:50am

re: #369 Killgore Trout

Also common with conservative Christians, a dislike for murder. It's in our top ten! So that makes him less likely to have been Christian. (If we're making accusations based on religious beliefs)

You jumped to an erroneous conclusion and now you're trying to justify it. You're a bigger man than that. Say you were wrong and be done with it.

435 rwmofo  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:58:34am

re: #411 Spiny Norman

HuffPo shuts down comments in 5... 4... 3...

Bingo.

436 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:58:48am

re: #424 Spiny Norman

Oh yes! There very definitely is. But this is San Francisco were talking about. It's like a whole nuther country planet.

At what point do these things cross beyond local laws and pass into the realm of State and federal law?
At what do people hold accountable the government officials charged with responsibility over this sort of decrepitude?

437 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:59:08am

re: #429 johnnyreb

Or he might just simply be a nut job that decided to listen to the voices in his head. Manifesto guys are sometimes like that.

Last reference I have is that he DIDN'T LIKE CHRISTIANS, not just liberal Christians.

[Link: www.knoxnews.com...]

438 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:59:11am

re: #434 Silhouette

Also common with conservative Christians, a dislike for murder. It's in our top ten! So that makes him less likely to have been Christian. (If we're making accusations based on religious beliefs)

Abortion clinic bombing/doctor shooting link in 5...4...3...2...

439 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:59:13am

re: #424 Spiny Norman

Really, it depends on the circumstances. A Berkeley parade, or a San Francisco street fair? It depends on the expected crowd.

If you expose yourself in a public park, there will be something approaching a mod action to get you arrested, unless you're a woman breast feeding.

440 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 11:59:39am

re: #394 Capitalist Tool

Did he get an ass- whuppin'?

Well, he did cram a bone (or a bone-shaped dildo at least) up his rear end, while it was sticking out the window. But I didn't see him personally getting whooped. (Lots of other whooping, though.)

441 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:00:07pm

re: #432 Kosh's Shadow

And a major anti-Semite who published the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in the newspaper he owned.

Yet oddly enough he wasn't an anti-black racist. He was an enthusiastic supporter of Dr. George Washington Carver & used many of his developments in Ford cars.

442 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:00:39pm

Sodom and Gommorah.

443 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:00:55pm

re: #427 lawhawk

Speaking of liberals, one of the most liberal NJ Assemblymen, resigned today after child porn was found on his legislative computer last week.
Good riddance.

higher than normal levels of deviant politicians in Jersey, eh?

444 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:00:57pm

re: #427 lawhawk

On his legislative computer?! Man, he ought to be arrested for criminal stupidity!

445 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:01:32pm

re: #442 MandyManners

Sodom and Gommorah.

Syphilis and gonorrhea more likely.

446 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #178 pingjockey

A few things come to mind about citizens arrests in general... "You" used in generic terms...
1. You have to have a real crime committed and/or witnessed and/or known official warrant for arrest issued as a cause to engage in a "citizens arrest" of someone for, well, anything...
2. You can only hold the person long enough for an actual law enforcement agent to arrive and determine if #1 had occurred and whether or not to continue detaining the person(s) in question or release them for whatever reason.
3. If #1 above turns out to be false and you've detained someone without a reasonable cause you can potentially be arrested for a variety of charges as applicable to whatever force was used in the arrest and even if not criminally charged may be sued civilly for violating the detained persons civil rights etc...
I'm sure there's tons more to add on to the above as well...
morons...

447 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:05pm

News flash:
Schwarzenegger Supports Sex Perversion
Sodom in San Francisco

448 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:12pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

He might also be an altra conservative Christian who hated others as heretics.

He said everything in the Bible contradicts itself. Everything.

This is not a conservative Christian. Likely not a Christian at all.

And no one said he was a rabid atheist, just anti-Christian. He could be most anything.

449 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:28pm

re: #444 Dianna

On his legislative computer?! Man, he ought to be arrested for criminal stupidity!

I've long held the belief that the vast majority of politicins - especially those in local government - are ideed stupid.

450 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:35pm

re: #401 Spiny Norman

WTF?!?

I got photos to prove it! I wasn't sure if I had captured the moment successfully, but I'm just combing through the "defenstration" folder right now and I got some pretty good shots (even if he didn't).

451 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:42pm

re: #430 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

At the moment, he's in a mental health facility.

452 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:46pm

re: #426 OldLineTexan

Yes, some do. Some people believe that the bible must be read in the original Greek to make sense. Some also believe the canonization process has been a corrupting influence.

453 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:58pm

re: #448 Silhouette

He said everything in the Bible contradicts itself. Everything.

This is not a conservative Christian. Likely not a Christian at all.

And no one said he was a rabid atheist, just anti-Christian. He could be most anything.

Crazy knows no denomination.

454 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:02:59pm

re: #172 joncelli

Federal prison time...

455 Pyrocles  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:03:09pm

Dude... /puke

re: #385 zombie

I'm just glad that one guy didn't have much "oomph" to his climax when he ejaculated out of the second story window. His semen didn't go very far and only landed on the people on the sidewalk directly below. I stepped back instinctually, but in reality I was safe and there was no chance it was going to reach me.

456 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:03:16pm

re: #431 Lizard by the Bay,

I figured Pelosie could bark the bark and walk the walk when it came to being a moonbat, but a pervert as well? Sounds like someone is missing a good investigative journalist gig. After all, Moonbat Nancy is Speaker of the House. In a very real way she represents the entire Democratic Party as well as her barking moonbat district.

She is the kind of leadership the Democrats find acceptible. If she's a closet pervert, it's an election issue. Those of us out here in Red America deserve to know the truth.

457 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:03:30pm

re: #436 Capitalist Tool

At what point do these things cross beyond local laws and pass into the realm of State and federal law?
At what do people hold accountable the government officials charged with responsibility over this sort of decrepitude?

california state penal code would apply. whether or not it's being enforced, is another story......

458 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:03:50pm

re: #450 zombie

I got photos to prove it! I wasn't sure if I had captured the moment successfully, but I'm just combing through the "defenstration" folder right now and I got some pretty good shots (even if he didn't).

A dribbler, not a shooter, eh?

:^/

459 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:04pm

re: #31 bosforus

I realize today is Cuil's first day as operational but after two minutes (and counting) of waiting for search results for "The Dark Knight" (only 200,000 results), I'm less than impressed. Guess it's still got a few kinks to work out.

Not even operational for me. Firefox says it's trying to redirect in a way that will never complete.

460 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:16pm

re: #450 zombie

I
got photos to prove it! I wasn't sure if I had captured the moment
successfully, but I'm just combing through the "defenstration" folder
right now and I got some pretty good shots (even if he didn't).

Something about phrase in that context just made me laugh out loud. Don't know if that was your intent or not.

461 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:32pm

re: #456 Iron Fist

Those of us out here in Red State America can know all we want about Pelosi, but we can't vote her out.

462 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:33pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Yes, some do. Some people believe that the bible must be read in the original Greek to make sense. Some also believe the canonization process has been a corrupting influence.

Well, it was, if you know anything about the whole process. The material selected had more to do with the whims of the bishops and not so much to do with what the congregants were reading in the hinterlands.

463 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:37pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Yes, some do. Some people believe that the bible must be read in the original Greek to make sense. Some also believe the canonization process has been a corrupting influence.

You have some reach, I give you credit. By all means, let's assume he's a Christian. No skin off my teeth, really.

Seriously, and with all due respect, what a crock of shit.

464 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:41pm

re: #438 OldLineTexan

Abortion clinic bombing/doctor shooting link in 5...4...3...2...

If you're talking Eric Rudolph, I've already posted his quote that he actually prefers Neitzsche to the Bible.

Rudolph as conservative Christian is another media invention. He was actually raised Catholic, but clearly wandered from the teachings.

465 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:04:43pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

We still haven't determined his religious beliefs. He might have been a rabid atheist or some religion of his own invention. He might also be an altra conservative Christian who hated others as heretics. We'll know more when they publish his wacky manifesto.

The article I read just said he was depressed, on food stamps, and went to the church "to kill liberals." Shooting up a kids' musical play -- the guy must have been a serious psychopath.

466 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:05:05pm

re: #455 Pyrocles

Eeep!

I had missed that comment, as I was so far behind I couldn't have caught up. I wish I was still missing it!

467 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:05:09pm

re: #448 Silhouette

He could be most anything.


Agreed, but over all he was nuts.

468 zombie  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:05:31pm

re: #417 experiencedtraveller

Get back to work! The world awaits the next report!

Thank you! The more I hang around here, the more time it will take to get this online!

469 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:05:35pm

re: #451 lawhawk

At the moment, he's in a mental health facility.

So he's still in New Jersey, then.
/ba-da-BING!

470 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:05:49pm

re: #464 Silhouette

If you're talking Eric Rudolph, I've already posted his quote that he actually prefers Neitzsche to the Bible.

Rudolph as conservative Christian is another media invention. He was actually raised Catholic, but clearly wandered from the teachings.

No, no one in particular at all.

471 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:06:13pm

We can, however, let our own Congressional delegation know of the perversions allowed in Nancy Pelosi's district and ask that they do not tacitly support that sort of thing by allowing that- that- "woman" to hold such high office.

472 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:06:55pm

re: #401 Spiny Norman

WTF?!?

And yet, college girls get arrested for flashing their boobies during Mardi Gras...

They get arrested because they cause crowds to form and block pedestrian and vehicular traffic flow where they are at... iirc usually it's a warning first then an arrest if they fail to comply with the warning, unless the cop in question figures they won't comply in the first place etc...

473 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:06:59pm

re: #456 Iron Fist

,

I figured Pelosie could bark the bark and walk the walk when it came to being a moonbat, but a pervert as well? Sounds like someone is missing a good investigative journalist gig. After all, Moonbat Nancy is Speaker of the House. In a very real way she represents the entire Democratic Party as well as her barking moonbat district.

She is the kind of leadership the Democrats find acceptible. If she's a closet pervert, it's an election issue. Those of us out here in Red America deserve to know the truth.

Little footnote: I always have to gulp when I read 'Red America' and do a quick mind-switch. Here, red stands for Labour, Lefties and all that, whereas Blue is the colour of the True Blue party, the Tories (thats the conservatives ...).

474 eschew_obfuscation  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:07:11pm

re: #446 anotherindyfilmguy

A few things come to mind about citizens arrests in general... "You" used in generic terms...
1. You have to have a real crime committed and/or witnessed and/or known official warrant for arrest issued as a cause to engage in a "citizens arrest" of someone for, well, anything...
2. You can only hold the person long enough for an actual law enforcement agent to arrive and determine if #1 had occurred and whether or not to continue detaining the person(s) in question or release them for whatever reason.
3. If #1 above turns out to be false and you've detained someone without a reasonable cause you can potentially be arrested for a variety of charges as applicable to whatever force was used in the arrest and even if not criminally charged may be sued civilly for violating the detained persons civil rights etc...
I'm sure there's tons more to add on to the above as well...
morons...

It may vary by state, but I believe the crime in question has to be a felony.

475 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:07:15pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

my belief is that the insane are insane irregardless of their particular leanings.you can find bad/evil everywhere.

476 Dianna  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:07:29pm

re: #468 zombie

This is going to be one of those, "click at your own risk" essays, isn't it?

477 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:07:47pm

re: #467 Killgore Trout

Agreed, but over all he was nuts.

Nuts in the seriously evil deviation from acceptable behavior nuts.

But not nuts in the unable to discern good from evil and therefore not responsible for his actions nuts.

478 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:07:48pm

re: #445 OldLineTexan

Syphilis and gonorrhea more likely.

*runs away squealling*

479 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:07:58pm

www.cui.com the google replacement. So many people want a google alternative the site is down.

480 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:09:02pm

re: #473 yma o hyd

Little
footnote: I always have to gulp when I read 'Red America' and do a
quick mind-switch. Here, red stands for Labour, Lefties and all that,
whereas Blue is the colour of the True Blue party, the Tories (thats
the conservatives ...).

It's the same here in America, but in 2000, the MSM pulled the old switcheroo & changed the colors. Also a foornote, red has typically been used in wargaming to denote the enemy, while blue is used to denote friendly forces. Hence the term "blue on blue" to describe friendly fire.

481 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:09:31pm

re: #450 zombie

I got photos to prove it! I wasn't sure if I had captured the moment successfully, but I'm just combing through the "defenstration" folder right now and I got some pretty good shots (even if he didn't).

I'd say *rimshot* but, considering the subject, I'll have to refrain.

482 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:09:46pm

re: #469 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Last time I checked, I don't think the Bada Bing is an approved mental health facility. It is, however, an approved libido enhancing facility.

483 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:10:03pm

The problem with the fetish/ pornography movement is that it is so self defeating. They take something that should be wonderful and fun and by piling ever more effort into narrower and narrower categories they make it all so dull. Most people have killed an hour or two looking at porn but most people just find it just a barrier to experiencing the world instead of a window. These people are in every sense of the words full of themselves and doing little good if little harm. OK so they can produce a sensory response, now what?

What amazes me is that this has come to dominate in San Francisco. How did a lovely middle class Italian dominated city with a large military focus turn into this place where the only display of patriotism left is in the Presidio Cemetery?

484 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:10:30pm

re: #461 Capitalist Tool,

But we can vote local Democrats out. If we do enough of that, San Fran Nan goes back to being just one of the 435.

After her coronation celebration, think just how badly she'd hate that. That would be too amusing!

485 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:10:39pm

Still there is the fact that the media keeps telling everyone he hated liberals, and not telling or giving equal time to the fact that he didn't like Christianity.

Leading everyone to jump to the wrong conclusion.

I won't say that this was their intention, for I cannot mindread. I will only point out that the gunman who attacked the Christian radio station on Friday didn't get near the coverage (what? you didn't hear about it?) and has now fallen completely off the scope.

486 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:10:40pm

re: #479 hazzyday

[Link: www.cui.com...] the google replacement. So many people want a google alternative the site is down.

Very early this morning it wasn't working right. I tested with a number of sites to see if it would find them. I couldn't even get it to come up with an entry when I used meta tags that I KNEW WAS ON THE WEBSITE's HTML.

487 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:10:43pm

Totten is probably the best reporter on the Moderate Islamic world. More media should give him attention and dollars.

IMO we should let the rulers in Saudi fall to the extremist there and get it out in the open. Working with them hasn't gotten us anywhere in Israel, with oil, or in Iraq.

488 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:11:02pm

re: #427 lawhawk

joe cryan,and ray lesniack at least did the right thing.(met cryan a couple of timesand seems a good guy on a personal level.)disclaimer:for a jersey democrat.

489 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:11:02pm

re: #452 Killgore Trout

Yes, some do. Some people believe that the bible must be read in the original Greek to make sense. Some also believe the canonization process has been a corrupting influence.

You must be referring to the New Testament. The original was written in Hebrew, of course.
And scholars are still debating the meanings of some words.

490 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:11:16pm

re: #480 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Gawd - the LLL really are into switching, aren't they!
Am still reading 'Liberal Fascism' - mind-boggling, and very instructive about how the left ahs kept switching the meaning of expressions so that conservatives are always at fault and have always got to be on the defensive.

491 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:11:18pm

re: #481 MandyManners

I'd say *rimshot* but, considering the subject, I'll have to refrain.

yikes. glad lunch was several hours ago!~ ;)

492 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:11:23pm

re: #483 lifeofthemind

In a phrase, the Alioto family.

493 MandyManners  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:11:41pm

re: #465 zombie

The article I read just said he was depressed, on food stamps, and went to the church "to kill liberals." Shooting up a kids' musical play -- the guy must have been a serious psychopath.

I wonder if Tennessee gives a jolt or a hot-shot.

494 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:12:05pm

re: #486 Walter L. Newton

I couldn't even get it to come up with an entry when I used meta tags that I KNEW WAS ON THE WEBSITE's HTML.

I hope they are not dumb enough to use meta tags.

496 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:12:33pm

re: #493 MandyManners

I wonder if Tennessee gives a jolt or a hot-shot.

They sent you to Gore's mansion for life as a groundskeeper.

497 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:12:41pm

re: #478 MandyManners

Sorry about that.

498 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:12:54pm

re: #483 lifeofthemind

The problem with the fetish/ pornography movement is that it is so self defeating. They take something that should be wonderful and fun and by piling ever more effort into narrower and narrower categories they make it all so dull. Most people have killed an hour or two looking at porn but most people just find it just a barrier to experiencing the world instead of a window. These people are in every sense of the words full of themselves and doing little good if little harm. OK so they can produce a sensory response, now what?
What amazes me is that this has come to dominate in San Francisco. How did a lovely middle class Italian dominated city with a large military focus turn into this place where the only display of patriotism left is in the Presidio Cemetery?

excellent post, agree 100%. the MSM and the usual suspects will never admit it, but the ready availability of internet porn is savaging a generation of young minds.....

499 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:12:57pm

re: #493 MandyManners

I wonder if Tennessee gives a jolt or a hot-shot.

Ask and you shall receive.

Legislation enacted in March 2000 specifies lethal injection as the primary method of execution. Inmates who committed their offense and were sentenced to death prior to January 1, 1999 may request electrocution.
500 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:13:01pm

re: #486 Walter L. Newton

Very early this morning it wasn't working right. I tested with a number of sites to see if it would find them. I couldn't even get it to come up with an entry when I used meta tags that I KNEW WAS ON THE WEBSITE's HTML.

I typed that url wrong [Link: www.cuil.com...] too much soda on the keyboard.

501 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:13:13pm

re: #489 Kosh's Shadow

You must be referring to the New Testament. The original was written in Hebrew, of course.
And scholars are still debating the meanings of some words.

Bill Clinton and "is", for one.

502 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:13:24pm

re: #494 faraway

I hope they are not dumb enough to use meta tags.

Whatever, I could get anything to come up with my name "Walter L. Newton" or "Miners Alley Playhouse," both which brings up MANY hits on Google.

503 faraway  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:13:32pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Only two percent of conservatives don’t believe in a higher power

Makes for a very, very small audience don't you think?

504 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:14:40pm

re: #495 Killgore Trout

Only two percent of conservatives don’t believe in a higher power

Which proves that they are all on the way to your liberal church with a shotgun.

Seriously, did you know that most park-flashers wear socks?

Have you ever worn socks?

505 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:14:59pm

re: #377 Dolphin

re: #243 rawmuse

Snopes says false.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

Snopes says the snub in all of Afghanistan was false, it is still unclear what happened specifically at Baghram.

[Link: www.factcheck.org...]

506 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:15:08pm

re: #479 hazzyday

[Link: www.cui.com...] the google replacement. So many people want a google alternative the site is down.

www.cuil.com....cui.com is something different

507 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:15:15pm

re: #498 Vergeltung

Indeed.
And now, I've heard, its even available on cellphone networks - and the young lads have easy access, without parental control as on their home PCs.

508 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:15:21pm

re: #492 rawmuse

In a phrase, the Alioto family.

Please tell me more, reading the wiki entries.

509 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:15:45pm

re: #504 OldLineTexan

Which proves that they are all on the way to your liberal church with a shotgun.

Seriously, did you know that most park-flashers wear socks?

Have you ever worn socks?

Not while flashing....

510 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:15:55pm

re: #485 Silhouette


Still there is the fact that the media keeps telling everyone he hated liberals, and not telling or giving equal time to the fact that he didn't like Christianity.

Leading everyone to jump to the wrong conclusion.

Well, we do have the past statement that the Bible contradicts itself but the press is only reporting his hatred of liberals, blacks and gays in his manifesto. If Christians are mentioned in the manifesto and the press isn't reporting then they are negligent. It's also possible that he doesn't mention Christians. We just don't know at this point.

511 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:16:08pm

re: #473 yma o hyd

I figure the "red" state "blue" state thing here is a media creation. They had to twist things around in such a way that there was no association with liberals and "red". I'm serious.

512 Iron Fist  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:16:38pm

re: #493 MandyManners,

Hot shot, but those sentanced in a certain time frame can choose to ride the lightening if they want to. It is a once in a lifetime kind of oppertunity!

513 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:16:55pm

re: #509 coquimbojoe

Not while flashing....

HA! But you admit to having worn socks, like a common park-flashing perv, do you?

/bring out the comfy chair

514 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:17:01pm

re: #498 Vergeltung

excellent post, agree 100%. the MSM and the usual suspects will never admit it, but the ready availability of internet porn is savaging a generation of young minds.....

No internet when I was growing up, but my father brought home and gave me Playboys to keep me growing up right.
Hmm. Didn't come out the way I wanted.
Anyway, I've found real porn to be a turn-off; looking at good-looking women, and leaving things to my imagination is much better.

515 hazzyday  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:17:06pm

re: #461 Capitalist Tool

Those of us out here in Red State America can know all we want about Pelosi, but we can't vote her out.

I think across the nation we should have local efforts to declare San Francisco and it's denizens persona non grata. Make them a city state, no longer part of the US and wall it off. Maybe eventually we can turn it into one big prison run by the inmates.

At least send them no more federal dollars for them to abuse.

516 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:17:32pm

re: #489 Kosh's Shadow

You must be referring to the New Testament. The original was written in Hebrew, of course.


I didn't know that. I've seen people here make the argument that the new testament in Greek is the only way to go so I assumed it was the original.

517 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:17:50pm

re: #513 OldLineTexan

HA! But you admit to having worn socks, like a common park-flashing perv, do you?

/bring out the comfy chair

yes. it is true. It is the placement of the sock that makes all the difference.

518 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:18:19pm

re: #511 Mars Needs Neocons

I can readily believe that - there has been too long a history connecting 'red' with communism/socialism.
Can't have the moonbats tarred with that, now can we!
Bah.

519 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:18:22pm

re: #515 hazzyday

I think across the nation we should have local efforts to declare San Francisco and it's denizens persona non grata. Make them a city state, no longer part of the US and wall it off. Maybe eventually we can turn it into one big prison run by the inmates.

At least send them no more federal dollars for them to abuse.

Hey, let's not throw out the zombie with the bathwater!

520 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:18:35pm

re: #416 Capitalist Tool

Is there no such thing as indecent exposure and sex crime in California?

Out here we let it be managed by market forces and box office.

522 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:18:39pm

re: #507 yma o hyd

Indeed.
And now, I've heard, its even available on cellphone networks - and the young lads have easy access, without parental control as on their home PCs.

cell phones too huh? bad. real bad. I also have an armchair psycholigists opinion that the pervasiveness of the profane is actually creating and enhancing human mental pathologies, re sex offenders, etc. objectifying and targeting the more vulnerable amongst us (children).

worser, and worserer... :|

523 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:18:51pm

re: #516 Killgore Trout

I didn't know that. I've seen people here make the argument that the new testament in Greek is the only way to go so I assumed it was the original.

I meant the Torah, as the "original". Should have been clearer.

524 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:18:53pm

Dear Congressman Dan Boren (D- OK),

I've been made aware of the annual and locally sanctioned perversion (insert zombie link) in the Folsom Park area of San Francisco, the district of Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D. CA), the Speaker of the US House of Representatives.

Can we expect this perversion to become more widespread under Speaker Pelosi's tenure and tutelage?
Can we say that your continued support of Speaker Pelosi is tacit approval of this sort of behavior?

I know, I know, needs work-

525 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:19:03pm

OT:

I have to assume folks here have seen this:

McCain ahead by 4 points in USA Today / Gallup poll of

likely

voters

526 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:19:26pm

re: #504 OldLineTexan

Uh, don't get upset dude. It wasn't meant to prove anything, it's just an interesting poll just posted at Hot Air. You're reading way too much into things.

527 lifeofthemind  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:03pm

re: #498 Vergeltung

excellent post, agree 100%. the MSM and the usual suspects will never admit it, but the ready availability of internet porn is savaging a generation of young minds.....

I have no issue with adults doing anything to keep another person happy and I could even see the argument for a Saturnalia, given the historical role such festivals have. The problem is when people go so far down a dead end they can't engage in rational productive behavior. (Written by someone spending to much time in front of a computer?)

528 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:04pm

re: #523 Kosh's Shadow

Ah, ok. I get it now.

529 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:06pm

re: #517 coquimbojoe

yes. it is true. It is the placement of the sock that makes all the difference.

You mean ...?
So it looks ... dressed, like?

Omigawd ...

530 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:13pm

re: #514 Kosh's Shadow

No internet when I was growing up, but my father brought home and gave me Playboys to keep me growing up right.
Hmm. Didn't come out the way I wanted.
Anyway, I've found real porn to be a turn-off; looking at good-looking women, and leaving things to my imagination is much better.

well, yeah, me too. Some 1970s Playboys was/is all a healthy guy could need! :)

531 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:20pm

re: #511 Mars Needs Neocons

I figure the "red" state "blue" state thing here is a media creation. They had to twist things around in such a way that there was no association with liberals and "red". I'm serious.

Years ago, as I recall, the networks would reverse the colors from one election cycle to another, but the Democrats objected to being associated with "red" (perpetuating the right-wing stereotype of Dems being "soft on Communism" and whatnot).

532 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:21pm

re: #516 Killgore Trout

greek,aramaic,latin take your pick.they were the dominant languages of the area,and of the educated classes of the time.

533 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:42pm

re: #511 Mars Needs Neocons

I figure the "red" state "blue" state thing here is a media creation. They had to twist things around in such a way that there was no association with liberals and "red". I'm serious.

When those guys started printing the county maps of election results (after 2000?), they specifically chose blue for the democrats, just so they wouldn't be accused of associating democrats and communists. Even since, we've been stuck with it.

534 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:48pm

re: #516 Killgore Trout

I didn't know that. I've seen people here make the argument that the new testament in Greek is the only way to go so I assumed it was the original.

There is a confusion here. The extant manuscripts we have go like this. Old Testement = Hebrew, New Testement = Greek.

535 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:20:56pm

re: #508 lifeofthemind

The Alioto family is a respected family in the city of SF, but with the political power shift to Angela, the transition to Liberal was underway. The other factor was that San Francisco was a "mustering out" location for the military for decades, and many of the closeted gays therein liked the city and stayed, soon followed by the Gay Pride movement, which is still a significant power base. Add to the mix mayor DiFi who made the city a "sanctuary city" on the heels of the El Salvadoran right wing death squads, and voila, you have modern day SF.

536 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:21:05pm

re: #529 yma o hyd

You mean ...?
So it looks ... dressed, like?

Omigawd ...

Now you're getting it. Gotta go Lizards! See ya!

537 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:21:06pm

re: #525 karmic_inquisitor

OT:

I have to assume folks here have seen this:

I don't believe it.
i don't believe it.
No matter the poll, i don't believe it.

538 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:21:11pm

re: #533 itellu3times

Ever since

539 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:21:34pm

re: #523 Kosh's Shadow

oops,gotcha.

540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:21:36pm

re: #530 Vergeltung

well, yeah, me too. Some 1970s Playboys was/is all a healthy guy could need! :)

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!

541 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:21:47pm

re: #526 Killgore Trout

Uh, don't get upset dude. It wasn't meant to prove anything, it's just an interesting poll just posted at Hot Air. You're reading way too much into things.

I'm not upset, nor do I seem to be the only one reading too much into things.

542 itellu3times  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:22:28pm

re: #537 Capitalist Tool

I don't believe it.
i don't believe it.
No matter the poll, i don't believe it.

This year especially, no raw vote poll is going to matter beans, because so many Obama votes are going to roll up in a few big states and won't translate well to electoral votes.

543 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:23:07pm

re: #535 rawmuse

The Alioto family is a respected family in the city of SF, but with the political power shift to Angela, the transition to Liberal was underway. The other factor was that San Francisco was a "mustering out" location for the military for decades, and many of the closeted gays therein liked the city and stayed, soon followed by the Gay Pride movement, which is still a significant power base. Add to the mix mayor DiFi who made the city a "sanctuary city" on the heels of the El Salvadoran right wing death squads, and voila, you have modern day SF.

Oh yeah, its all the military's fault.
/sssppiiiitttt

544 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:23:42pm

re: #492 rawmuse

In a phrase, the Alioto family.

no you just did not say that! bite your tongue..
That family was decent, kind and funny..plus i thought he was a pretty good mayor in his day..

545 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:23:58pm

re: #527 lifeofthemind

I have no issue with adults doing anything to keep another person happy and I could even see the argument for a Saturnalia, given the historical role such festivals have. The problem is when people go so far down a dead end they can't engage in rational productive behavior. (Written by someone spending to much time in front of a computer?)

key word being adult. kids need a chance to grow up and form, before they get assaulted by all this filth and degradation!

546 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:23:59pm

Tell you what, I'll post-date a smiley-face emoticon behind the park flasher posts...

;)

Now I will not seem upset, I hope.

547 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:24:03pm

re: #525 karmic_inquisitor

OT:

I have to assume folks here have seen this:

Whaaa?
BO was leading him by 9 points, wasn't he, coming back from his 'presidential' tour.

Well well well!
Good news for sure!

548 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:24:40pm

re: #540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

well, yeah, me too. Some 1970s Playboys was/is all a healthy guy could need! :)

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!

I remember the "Little Annie Fannie" and "Moonshine McJuggs" cartoon strips more than the pretentious political articles.

549 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:24:53pm

re: #543 Capitalist Tool

That is your comment, not mine. I am from a solid military family.
Facts are stubborn things.

550 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:24:56pm

re: #517 coquimbojoe

yes. it is true. It is the placement of the sock that makes all the difference.

Wow! I step away for a bit and this thread really went into the gutter.

551 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:25:11pm

re: #547 yma o hyd

Polls are for the most part garbage.

Negative, positive, neutral, doesn't matter.

552 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:25:19pm

re: #543 Capitalist Tool

not to mention the whole haight/ashberry thing sometime in the sixties.

553 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:26:13pm

re: #550 Ford_Prefect

Wow! I step away for a bit and this thread really went into the gutter.

You can work more hours as a hall monitor, but you're not getting a raise.

/

554 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:26:25pm

re: #540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!


you actually read playboy? wow..didn't think any boys did.
/

555 Spiny Norman  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:26:31pm

re: #551 OldLineTexan

Polls are for the most part garbage.

Negative, positive, neutral, doesn't matter.

They're manufactured news.

556 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:26:42pm

re: #540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!

Ha! you know, when me and the neighbor kid got busted reading them by his mom (we were only 10 years old or so), that is EXACTLY what I heard her saying to my mom in a half-serious, half-joking tone.."well as long as they didn't read the crap in here!"

funny stuff for sure.... :)

557 coquimbojoe  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:26:56pm

re: #550 Ford_Prefect

Wow! I step away for a bit and this thread really went into the gutter.

What are you talking about, I woke up and you were all in here with me!

558 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:26:57pm

re: #549 rawmuse

That is your comment, not mine. I am from a solid military family.
Facts are stubborn things.

I'm not disputing your facts.
I am exercising my knee jerk reactionary- ness.

559 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:27:14pm

re: #553 OldLineTexan

You can work more hours as a hall monitor, but you're not getting a raise.

/

Sounds like there has been enough 'raising' going on around here.

560 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:27:38pm

you missed my snarc tag, I'm sure.

561 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:28:00pm

re: #554 HoosierHoops

well it depends if the eyes are going left to right as opposed to up and down......

562 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:28:01pm

re: #559 Ford_Prefect

Sounds like there has been enough 'raising' going on around here.

Ask zombie. I was no where near SF at the time, I swear on a stack of manifestos.

563 docremulac  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:28:02pm

re: #540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"re: #530 Vergeltung

well, yeah, me too. Some 1970s Playboys was/is all a healthy guy could need! :)

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!"


Any kid who would get a Playboy and read the Norman Mailer article instead of looking at the pictures would have a pretty messed up mind to begin with.

564 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:28:05pm

Demographically, the city of SF was not evenly split male to female until the year 1968. So, from the Gold Rush days until then, the city was predominantly male.

565 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:28:54pm

re: #563 docremulac

"re: #530 Vergeltung

well, yeah, me too. Some 1970s Playboys was/is all a healthy guy could need! :)

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!"


Any male kid who would get a Playboy and read the Norman Mailer article instead of looking at the pictures would have a pretty messed up mind to begin with.

Suggested edit.

566 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:29:03pm

re: #564 rawmuse

Demographically, the city of SF was not evenly split male to female until the year 1968. So, from the Gold Rush days until then, the city was predominantly male.

Theres a shock.

/

567 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:30:20pm

re: #551 OldLineTexan

Now that is true - its just, as long as the MSM seem so addicted to them, one might as well pick the polls one likes best.

I said this ebfore - I recall the 1992 General election here, where all the polls shwoed Labout in the lead, John Major, the Tory Prime Minister, was ridiculed in the MSM for his old-fashioned style of electioneering - Labout had a huge party - shown on TV, too! - at the end of the campaign, celebrating victory - and then Major won.
Thats why I think McCain will do it, no matter the polls.

(Here, electioneering has to stop three days before people go to the polls.)

568 Racer X  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:30:38pm

re: #564 rawmuse

Demographically, the city of SF was not evenly split male to female until the year 1968. So, from the Gold Rush days until then, the city was predominantly male.

That explains it.

569 CIA Reject  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:31:03pm

re: #564 rawmuse

Demographically, the city of SF was not evenly split male to female until the year 1968. So, from the Gold Rush days until then, the city was predominantly male.

Heh.

570 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:31:24pm

Grew up with a kid who was "different".
He moved to San Francisco and soon got married.
Then word came that he really wasn't happy being married. Then came word that... well, you know the rest.

Finally got in touch with his true nature, i suppose.

571 docremulac  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:31:43pm

re: #540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"re: #530 Vergeltung

well, yeah, me too. Some 1970s Playboys was/is all a healthy guy could need! :)

I dunno. Those Norman Mailer articles could really screw up a kid's mind!"


Joke #2: Playboy had articles?

572 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:32:03pm

OT: 4 females homicide bombers strike in Iraq. :(

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

573 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:32:20pm

re: #570 Capitalist Tool

Grew up with a kid who was "different".
He moved to San Francisco and soon got married.
Then word came that he really wasn't happy being married. Then came word that... well, you know the rest.

Finally got in touch with his true nature, i suppose.

Or someone else's true nature.

574 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:33:22pm

re: #573 Ford_Prefect

I have to admit this is kind of a nice gutter.

575 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:33:25pm

re: #573 Ford_Prefect

Or someone else's true nature.

True enough. "They" spend a lot of time recruiting and promoting their agenda as if it's all ok to just make that choice.

576 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:33:28pm

re: #573 Ford_Prefect

Or someone else's true nature.

See my comment #334

577 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:35:04pm

So, where's the boob thread?

578 joncelli  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:35:54pm

re: #577 Capitalist Tool

Patience, Grasshopper.

579 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:36:13pm

re: #537 Capitalist Tool

re: #542 itellu3times

I look at the polls as gauging broad sentiment and I think much of Obama's success is owed to momentum in sentiment. I am eager for "the cult of the O" to start shedding believers. Many of these supporters are easily swayed by what others are doing - a polling change could catalyze some self examination and examination of the Lightworker.

After all, this is a guy who 8 years ago could not rent a car because his credit was so bad (at a time when anyone who could fog a mirror could get credit). Had Obama ever held a job, he might have had a better credit score. (But I am sure that he repaired his credit score to 800+ so that he could secure his low interest rate loan he got on his McMansion). Maybe some of the cult will question the O.

/Not counting on it.

580 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:36:17pm

re: #577 Capitalist Tool

So, where's the boob thread?

well, this is kind of the anti-boob thread. so, we have the yang but not the yin. or something...

581 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:36:35pm

re: #577 Capitalist Tool

sooner or later we get one of those every day.

582 Ben Hur  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:37:00pm
583 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:37:35pm
584 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:37:45pm

re: #575 Capitalist Tool

True enough. "They" spend a lot of time recruiting and promoting their agenda as if it's all ok to just make that choice.

All kidding aside, I have to say that I don't think that it is always a choice. I have a nephew that from a very early age, like 2 or 3, showed signs of being very effeminate. I have no doubt that for some it is a choice, and I couldn't care less, but for others it does seem to be in their nature.

585 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:38:28pm
586 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:39:26pm

re: #575 Capitalist Tool

True enough. "They" spend a lot of time recruiting and promoting their agenda as if it's all ok to just make that choice.


yea..I'm probably gonna get 'wacked' on this comment..
But it really doesn't matter to me if someone is gay or not..
I don't judge thier lifestyle nor do i bash them over it..
It's not our job to talk them out of it or condemn them or hurt them or destroy thier lives..
/that's where i'm coming from..you may now commence flaming me..:)

587 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:39:26pm

re: #582 Ben Hur

Bungling Iranian hostage commander fired

guess it sucks to be the sailor they called Mr Bean. :)

588 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:40:01pm

re: #584 Ford_Prefect

live and let live,just leave me the hell alone.

589 docremulac  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:40:40pm

Here's what was missing from my joke. Try this:

Q: What do Hamas women use for birth control?

A: Their face.

Rimshot

Thank you.

590 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:40:47pm

re: #584 Ford_Prefect

All kidding aside, I have to say that I don't think that it is always a choice. I have a nephew that from a very early age, like 2 or 3, showed signs of being very effeminate. I have no doubt that for some it is a choice, and I couldn't care less, but for others it does seem to be in their nature.

I agree. Some people are born that way.

591 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:41:00pm

re: #586 HoosierHoops


/that's where i'm coming from..you may now commence flaming me..:)

Are you as tasty as Obama Steaks?

/mmmmmmm....flamed....rrrrrggggghhhhhlllllll

592 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:41:16pm

re: #586 HoosierHoops

The type of behavior that Zombie is observing is by no means confined to the gays. If you don't believe me, go to New Orleans during Fat Tuesday or Rio during Carnaval.

593 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:41:42pm

re: #586 HoosierHoops

yea..I'm probably gonna get 'wacked' on this comment..
But it really doesn't matter to me if someone is gay or not..
I don't judge thier lifestyle nor do i bash them over it..
It's not our job to talk them out of it or condemn them or hurt them or destroy thier lives..
/that's where i'm coming from..you may now commence flaming me..:)

i think that's a fair comment, and I agree with the live-and-let-live attitude it displays. however, what I don't think is fair, is when the more militant branches of that "society", push an in-your-face acceptance thing, instead of just carrying on and living their lives.

know what I mean?

594 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:42:02pm

re: #518 yma o hyd

I can readily believe that - there has been too long a history connecting 'red' with communism/socialism.
Can't have the moonbats tarred with that, now can we!
Bah.

lol

Unfortunately they'd have to change their behavior to get rid of those associations.

595 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:42:47pm

I didn't know grasshoppers had boobs.


re: #577 Capitalist Tool

So, where's the boob thread?

re: #578 joncelli

Patience, Grasshopper.

596 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:07pm

re: #592 rawmuse

The type of behavior that Zombie is observing is by no means confined to the gays. If you don't believe me, go to New Orleans during Fat Tuesday or Rio during Carnaval.


so what i'm getting from you is that bad behavour is bad no matter what.. you don't need to be gay or something..
just a bad, stupid person
or something like that.. I kindof wandered into this.. maybe i shouldn't have.

597 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:25pm

re: #592 rawmuse

true the world seems full of desperate people engaging in foolishness screaming "look at ME!i'm doin'stuff!"

598 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:26pm

re: #590 Capitalist Tool

I agree. Some people are born that way.

And yet nearly every lesbian I've ever met "discovered" their orientation after suffering some horrible abuse from a husband/father/etc., and their "gay-ness" always seemed to be more about hating men than it was about loving women.

Now, bi chicks are an entirely different (and often wonderful) story...

:-)

599 joncelli  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:39pm

re: #595 Silhouette

You've got to look really, really close. (Not that I'd do that, of course.)

600 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:42pm
The Macedonian government is worse than neglectful, actually. The state has formed an alliance of sorts with the Wahhabis, which is an extraordinary thing for a Christian-dominated government to do in a country where a third of the population are Muslims.

“Why would the government do this?” I said.

“It is convenient for the government because they can point at Albanians and call us terrorists,” he said.

'nuff said. That, and to play out the weird Orthodox Pope drama. A theocracy is the political structure most vulnerable to cultural collapse, even a Christian theocracy.

In Macedonia Albanians are second-class citizens, which has produced this most disgusting reaction: the beginning of a cooptation by extremists.

601 karmic_inquisitor  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:50pm

BTW: Coalition deaths Iraq in July stand at 11. 7 were at the hands of the enemy.

Lowest yet by more than half - when we had 21 deaths in May, 17 of them were at the hands of the enemy.

Since the left was so obsessed with body counts a year ago, it is a good thing to remind them of the numbers today.

Before the year is out, a KIA count of 0 for a month would not surprise me.

602 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:44:57pm

re: #594 Mars Needs Neocons

lol

Unfortunately they'd have to change their behavior to get rid of those associations.

True.
Mind - they do try awfully hard to make unsuspecting liberals accept their agendas. That Penn & Teller video downstairs was a very good case in point ...

603 Ford_Prefect  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:45:24pm

re: #595 Silhouette

I didn't know grasshoppers had boobs.

What did you think they were rubbing together to make that noise? Their legs?

/

604 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:45:40pm

re: #595 Silhouette

I didn't know grasshoppers had boobs.


They've evolved.

605 rawmuse  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:45:41pm

re: #596 HoosierHoops

Bingo. I object to amoral or immoral behavior no matter who does it, and I have seen plenty of it, from all sides.

606 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:45:48pm

From what I understand, the media used to switch red and blue party affiliation each election, to be fair.

But immediately after one of the more recent ones (Bush vs Gore I think but may have even been Dole vs Clinton), everyone was talking about the maps, broken down by state or even by country.

And with all the talk about "red" America and "blue" America, the color designations became so set in all our minds that the press just couldn't reverse them for the next election cycle.

607 anotherindyfilmguy  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:45:59pm

re: #529 yma o hyd

A new meaning for the term "sock puppet"?

608 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:46:14pm

re: #586 HoosierHoops

yea..I'm probably gonna get 'wacked' on this comment..
But it really doesn't matter to me if someone is gay or not..
I don't judge thier lifestyle nor do i bash them over it..
It's not our job to talk them out of it or condemn them or hurt them or destroy thier lives..
/that's where i'm coming from..you may now commence flaming me..:)

Oh, no flames from me. I could care less what someone does on their own time.
Except in public.
Except when it involves me or mine, or willfully altering public opinion to make the unacceptable appear normal.
Perverse is perverse, and I condemn the behavior In Folsom Park as completely beyond the pale and unacceptable, not the fact that the participants were homosexual. Same would be true if a hetero- fest were 'officially" allowed to take place.

Those tasked with public accountability should be held the most accountable for this travesty.

609 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:46:18pm

re: #531 Spiny Norman

About what I figured. I sorta remember the years they would change the red/blue meanings.

610 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:46:55pm

re: #593 Vergeltung

i think that's a fair comment, and I agree with the live-and-let-live attitude it displays. however, what I don't think is fair, is when the more militant branches of that "society", push an in-your-face acceptance thing, instead of just carrying on and living their lives.

know what I mean?

I understand completely.. My sister is gay..If anyone tried to give her a bad time i'd kick thier effen a*s in a NY second..
/she's not a militant.. just the sweetest girl i know.
( well besides my wife )

611 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:47:28pm

re: #601 karmic_inquisitor

BTW: Coalition deaths Iraq in July stand at 11. 7 were at the hands of the enemy.

Lowest yet by more than half - when we had 21 deaths in May, 17 of them were at the hands of the enemy.

Since the left was so obsessed with body counts a year ago, it is a good thing to remind them of the numbers today.

Before the year is out, a KIA count of 0 for a month would not surprise me.

By that time they'll moan and whinge about how much money this all costs, and shouldn't that be better spent on educating poor Pali children ...

612 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:47:32pm

re: #609 Mars Needs Neocons

About what I figured. I sorta remember the years they would change the red/blue meanings.

I demand truth in graphics.

/mauve, and pale mauve
//at least for this year

613 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:48:02pm

re: #606 Silhouette

actually i found it ironic that the media ended up using red for the rep.party.(given reagan,anti commie beliefs,etc.)

614 Capitalist Tool  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:48:03pm

re: #598 Lizard by the Bay

And yet nearly every lesbian I've ever met "discovered" their orientation after suffering some horrible abuse from a husband/father/etc., and their "gay-ness" always seemed to be more about hating men than it was about loving women.

Now, bi chicks are an entirely different (and often wonderful) story...

:-)

You are echoing a very wise old friend of mine who once said "you watch the homosexuals and you will almost always find an element of hate driving their compulsion" loosely paraphrased.

615 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:49:12pm

So zombie almost had a Silence of the Lambs moment ("Look at the blood!") at one of her street fairs?

616 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:49:20pm

re: #600 medaura18586

'nuff said. That, and to play out the weird Orthodox Pope drama. A theocracy is the political structure most vulnerable to cultural collapse, even a Christian theocracy.

In Macedonia Albanians are second-class citizens, which has produced this most disgusting reaction: the beginning of a cooptation by extremists.

I read parts I and II twice, and I have read histories of the Balkans.

I am still confused, but I am going to try again.

Totten is a good writer, so I am pretty sure I just need to stretcth the ol' head-straw a bit more.

617 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:49:41pm

re: #607 anotherindyfilmguy

A new meaning for the term "sock puppet"?

I was diligently trying to avoid that expression ... for obvious reasons!

Brain bleach, anyone?

618 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:50:04pm

re: #613 Boondock St. Bender

actually i found it ironic that the media ended up using red for the rep.party.(given reagan,anti commie beliefs,etc.)

Ironic yes, even counterintuitive, but I truly don't believe it was on purpose.

That is just the position they were in when we all noticed, started talking about it so much, and it became ingrained into our venacular. And then they couldn't switch 'em like they used to.

It could just as easily been the other way, like a daisy-she-loves-me-she-loves-me-not kind of thing.

IMHO.

619 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:51:30pm

re: #616 OldLineTexan

I read parts I and II twice, and I have read histories of the Balkans.

I am still confused, but I am going to try again.

Totten is a good writer, so I am pretty sure I just need to stretcth the ol' head-straw a bit more.

What are you confused about specifically?

>perhaps I could help. He is a very good writer, yes.

620 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:51:43pm

Sharpen your knives..Discovery Inst. thread above...

621 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:52:42pm

re: #619 medaura18586

Thank you, but I am going to go home, print the articles out, and get out my mapbook. ;)

622 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:53:11pm

re: #620 OldLineTexan

here we go!(as the coaster crests the big hill....)

623 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:54:05pm

re: #610 HoosierHoops

yeah, hear ya. There was a gay guy here at the office last year (since moved to another location/department), and he was a really nice guy. Pretty obvious as to his "interests", he didn't really try to hide it. But, he was a really kind and generous person.

I got to work with him for several months. We got along great, and had a lot of fun in court. He was new, so I was teaching him. Funny thing was, he fought with 2 or 3 women in the office he had to work with. Sometimes, really badly! talk about a cat fight! :)

some people shunned him, and that was not right. the jokes behind the back were awful too. I got a real sense that he was picked on his whole life growing up. that must have been hard. Ironically, me being from a group that gays typically have a problem with (practicing Catholic), he and I had nary a problem. when he got transferred, I shook his hand, gave him a hug, and off he went.

I have to say it did change my thoughts and perception on the issue somewhat.........much to the level that you said in your original live-and-let-live position.

624 Da_Beerfreak  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:54:10pm

re: #511 Mars Needs Neocons

I figure the "red" state "blue" state thing here is a media creation. They had to twist things around in such a way that there was no association with liberals and "red". I'm serious.

Using Occam's Weedwacker I would say it was simply a case of blue = friendlies and red = opforce.

625 OldLineTexan  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:54:48pm

re: #622 Boondock St. Bender

here we go!(as the coaster crests the big hill....)

Since they lied on Charles, he is justified in dismantling them.

But the comments will eventually degrade into the same-ol' same-ol' (Second Law of Thermodynamics, dontcha know).

/ducks and runs

626 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:56:26pm
627 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:58:33pm

re: #598 Lizard by the Bay

I wanted to do a research project during psych. I was told it was too "controversial", because it might be accurate.

With evidence from my wife and her family and associations I came to the conclusion that most lesbianism is connected to bi-polar disorder. This also included many bi-sexual women.

Men, however, where a slightly different story. Many gay men that I have talked to seem to have a type of NPD. (Love themselves more than anyone else. Partner seems to be viewed as extension of self.)

I could go into more detail, but I really don't want to bore anyone or piss anyone off. LOL

628 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 12:59:36pm

re: #602 yma o hyd

True.
Mind - they do try awfully hard to make unsuspecting liberals accept their agendas. That Penn & Teller video downstairs was a very good case in point ...

Very true.

629 HoosierHoops  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:00:11pm

/whew..got out of this thread alive and well..
now moving onto the next thread..
// adjusts flak jacket

630 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:00:36pm

re: #627 Mars Needs Neocons

I wanted to do a research project during psych. I was told it was too "controversial", because it might be accurate.
With evidence from my wife and her family and associations I came to the conclusion that most lesbianism is connected to bi-polar disorder. This also included many bi-sexual women.
Men, however, where a slightly different story. Many gay men that I have talked to seem to have a type of NPD. (Love themselves more than anyone else. Partner seems to be viewed as extension of self.)
I could go into more detail, but I really don't want to bore anyone or piss anyone off. LOL

excellent theories, could be some substance there for sure.

631 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:01:32pm

re: #629 HoosierHoops

/whew..got out of this thread alive and well..
now moving onto the next thread..
// adjusts flak jacket

I think I'm skipping that one. tired of the bashing that anything associated with the Evo/ID threads brings. Had enough.

632 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:02:26pm

re: #626 buzzsawmonkey

This would lead into my theories with bi-polar disorder for women. The disorder can decrease a persons capacity to make decisions.

Just as many people have the desire and capacity to cheat on their husband or wife, but choose not to do so, someone can experience a same-sex attraction and a) repress it; b) acknowledge it but choose not to act on it; c) sublimate it into a close friendship; d) sublimate it into a strong antipathy.

This kind of decision is beyond the ability of most unmedicated bi-polars during several points in their "mood swings".

633 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:03:52pm

re: #623 Vergeltung

Throbert on here might be able to provide a little more insight. He doesn't shy away from expressing his opinions, so we could learn something.

634 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:03:59pm

re: #627 Mars Needs Neocons

Men, however, where a slightly different story. Many gay men that I have talked to seem to have a type of NPD. (Love themselves more than anyone else. Partner seems to be viewed as extension of self.

But surely the opposite must be true of gay men who join the "transgendered" community. The self-loathing required to mutilate ones own body to such a degree must be phenomenal.

And what of the men who are attracted to the "transgendered"? Just gay men in denial?

635 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:04:07pm

re: #511 Mars Needs Neocons

I figure the "red" state "blue" state thing here is a media creation. They had to twist things around in such a way that there was no association with liberals and "red". I'm serious.

That makes it difficult for me to keep it straight.

636 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:04:29pm

re: #631 Vergeltung

I think I'm skipping that one. tired of the bashing that anything associated with the Evo/ID threads brings. Had enough.

I enjoy them because I'm watching all the sleepers and new registrees flame out.

637 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:04:34pm

re: #627 Mars Needs Neocons

I was told it was too "controversial", because it might be accurate.

That kind of thinking is always scary. The hiding of facts because of the possibility that it will give hypothetical opponents "ammunition."

Of course, this is what the right was accused of thinking when complaining about the weekly death count from Iraq or the filming of coffins returning, but it was never about hiding facts. By all means, report them, but report the other relevant info to keep it in perspective.

You know, perspective. That thing that allows us to see that, yes, Cindy Sheehan does not support the war, but the vast, vast majority of gold star mothers do. See also: honest cops, moral priests, loving parents, etc.

638 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:06:14pm

re: #633 Mars Needs Neocons

Throbert on here might be able to provide a little more insight. He doesn't shy away from expressing his opinions, so we could learn something.

I am always up for learning new stuff. I think one really has to keep an open mind about things.

I hope some lizards stay on this thread. :)

639 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #634 Lizard by the Bay

There is that possibility, or there could be a disorder involved that we just haven't pinpointed. I personally believe that we are still in the dark ages, where knowledge of the mind is concerned. It hasn't been that long since the beginnings of Psychology, especially when compared to the other scientific and medical disciplines.

640 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:07:02pm

re: #637 Silhouette

Nicely put.

641 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:07:35pm

re: #635 debutaunt

That makes it difficult for me to keep it straight.

Could be the intention.

642 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:07:51pm

re: #637 Silhouette

That kind of thinking is always scary. The hiding of facts because of the possibility that it will give hypothetical opponents "ammunition."

This is the same reason it is considered "racist" to point out the disproportionate amount of violent crime committed by blacks (usually against other blacks, but that too is "racist" to mention).

643 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:09:06pm

re: #634 Lizard by the Bay

But surely the opposite must be true of gay men who join the "transgendered" community. The self-loathing required to mutilate ones own body to such a degree must be phenomenal.

And what of the men who are attracted to the "transgendered"? Just gay men in denial?

that kind of "pretzel" analysis makes me wish I did get a second major in psychology! I think it is fascinating stuff. I think any research into any of these areas, however, would be a non-starter as being too un-PC.

I don't think the AMA (or whatever the organization of Psychs is that's analogous to the one for doctors) did anyone a favor when they pulled homosexuality off the list of psych disorders. kind of amputated all future analysis/research and discovery.

644 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:10:03pm

re: #636 Mars Needs Neocons

I enjoy them because I'm watching all the sleepers and new registrees flame out.

hmm, I see your point. in the long run though, they seem to have harmed this community recently...just my 2 cents. :)

645 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:11:05pm

re: #643 Vergeltung

I do somewhat agree with the idea of self-loathing. Though I would consider something around the idea of an extension of Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

646 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:12:00pm

re: #644 Vergeltung

I do see that a few good lizards have been lost, but they are far outnumbered by the trolls and sleepers that are pulled out of the woodwork.

647 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:12:46pm

re: #645 Mars Needs Neocons

I do somewhat agree with the idea of self-loathing. Though I would consider something around the idea of an extension of Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

there's also a whole lotta narcisism in there as well. and, because of the varying sex drives in the 2 sexes, male and female homosexuality are two entirely different things, and play out in reality so differently.

monogamy vs promiscuity, etc.

648 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:13:26pm

re: #646 Mars Needs Neocons

I do see that a few good lizards have been lost, but they are far outnumbered by the trolls and sleepers that are pulled out of the woodwork.

good point. "trolls and sleepers", love that. :)

649 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:13:33pm
650 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:13:53pm

re: #646 Mars Needs Neocons

I do see that a few good lizards have been lost, but they are far outnumbered by the trolls and sleepers that are pulled out of the woodwork.

What is so amazing is that they don't seem to learn from what happened to their ilk on previous threads.

651 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:14:10pm

re: #634 Lizard by the Bay

But surely the opposite must be true of gay men who join
the "transgendered" community. The self-loathing required to mutilate
ones own body to such a degree must be phenomenal.


And what of the men who are attracted to the "transgendered"? Just gay men in denial?


Like Mr. Garrison on South Park? He went from being straight but in denial, to gay, to a transsexual, to a lesbian, then & back to straight (after having his penis cloned).

652 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:14:13pm

re: #584 Ford_Prefect

All kidding aside, I have to say that I don't think that it is always a choice. I have a nephew that from a very early age, like 2 or 3, showed signs of being very effeminate. I have no doubt that for some it is a choice, and I couldn't care less, but for others it does seem to be in their nature.

It makes no sense to me that a person could choose a sexuality that goes against the natural urge.

653 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:15:21pm

re: #645 Mars Needs Neocons

I do somewhat agree with the idea of self-loathing. Though I would consider something around the idea of an extension of Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

I don't think it has much to do with body parts (i.e. hating one's penis). I think it has more to do with gender being such a large part of our basic identity. If someone hated themselves so much that they wanted to be someone completely different, what more radical change is there than changing one's gender?

654 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:15:51pm

re: #649 buzzsawmonkey

so, you're more "nurture" than "nature" on that then. but what about the sucess of reparative therapy? It does not get much reporting, but it is out there.

if what you say is indeed true, that's bad for same-sex couples and adoption! yikes!

655 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:16:50pm

re: #651 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

that show is just awesome. I love their stuff, and Team America requires diapers to be watched. hilarious!

656 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:17:04pm

re: #649 buzzsawmonkey

I don't think there can possibly one cause in these kind of circumstances. You have the disordered, the choosers, and I agree there just seem to be some that seem to happen.

657 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:17:25pm

Ann Landers (or was it Dear Abby?) once declared that any open minded person knew gay people were absolutely born that way.

Ignoring the specific argument, I recognized the humor in her insistence that her unyielding viewpoint was the "open minded" one.

A truly open minded person would say maybe it is choice, maybe birth, or maybe both.

But by open minded, she meant correct, which besides being wrong has a dangerous corollary: that the only correct way to be is open minded.

Being closed minded on somethings if preferable. Like whether child rape is okay, for example. And countless more we could all probably list. Open minded is like tolerance, erroneously considered virtues for their own sake, when it ain't always so.

658 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:19:02pm

re: #653 Lizard by the Bay

But in essence we are still dealing with some form of identity disorder. With gender such a major part of self-identity, what does it say about their personal identity that they would want to change such a major part?

659 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:19:19pm

re: #657 Silhouette

the study of twins is interesting in this light. where, you have identical twins, so the genetics are the same, but yet, one is a homosexual. that is fascinating.

660 Lizard by the Bay  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:19:48pm

re: #657 Silhouette

"Dear Abby" has been ghost-written by liberal sociopaths for years.

661 Naso Tang  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:20:02pm

re: #9 Ward Cleaver

I remember reading a couple of years ago how the Saudis were paying for new (ugly) mosques in Bosnia and Kosovo, to replace traditional ones, and how cemeteries were being destroyed, so people couldn't visit dead relatives (the islamists see it as idol worship), etc.

The Saudis have destroyed most of their own historical buildings as well, not only mosques, if they think there is a scent of modernity or art or beauty (of course that's an oxymoron, as they don't see beauty) in them.

662 yma o hyd  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:20:21pm

Here is a very interesting article in regard to the whole question of socital and/or group influences:

[Link: en.afrik.com...]

Don't be put off by the title - its a very thought-provoking piece and not in any sense bible-bashing.

663 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:20:22pm

re: #658 Mars Needs Neocons

But in essence we are still dealing with some form of identity disorder. With gender such a major part of self-identity, what does it say about their personal identity that they would want to change such a major part?

Somewhat ontopic, I just got a free sample from Stayfree. I would think my wife should be on the list and not I.

664 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:20:40pm

re: #660 Lizard by the Bay

"Dear Abby" has been ghost-written by liberal sociopaths for years.

ya think, really? I remember reading it growing up. seemed ok. maybe the worm turned, and I didn't know it? ;)

665 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:20:55pm

re: #660 Lizard by the Bay

"Dear Abby" has been ghost-written by liberal sociopaths for years.

But dis was in my yoot, so it was her.

666 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:22:17pm

re: #657 Silhouette

Tolerance is the weapon that the left uses to force their opinion on others. Of course I think you already said that..LOL.

667 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:23:09pm

re: #662 yma o hyd

Here is a very interesting article in regard to the whole question of socital and/or group influences:

[Link: en.afrik.com...]

Don't be put off by the title - its a very thought-provoking piece and not in any sense bible-bashing.

wow, that looks great. going to bookmark that one. thanks!

668 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:23:18pm

re: #659 Vergeltung

the study of twins is interesting in this light. where, you have identical twins, so the genetics are the same, but yet, one is a homosexual. that is fascinating.

This could be the choice issue. Of course consider that identical twins do not have identical psych problems.

669 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:26:19pm

re: #659 Vergeltung

the study of twins is interesting in this light. where, you have identical twins, so the genetics are the same, but yet, one is a homosexual. that is fascinating.

Twins have always fascinated me, which is odd since I am not a twin.

The opposite of what you discuss, I find it interesting to read about twins separated at birth (in theory making their similarities 100% nature and not nurture at all) and find that they chose the same careers, both collect cocktail stirrers, married men named Henry, and wore the same outfit to the first meeting, e.g.

670 debutaunt  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:26:29pm

re: #641 Mars Needs Neocons

Could be the intention.

Absolutely - it wasn't a random decision.

671 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:28:25pm

re: #668 Mars Needs Neocons

This could be the choice issue. Of course consider that identical twins do not have identical psych problems.

but they do have identical DNA, no? I am confused about that one.

672 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:28:53pm
673 Vergeltung  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:29:27pm

re: #669 Silhouette

Twins have always fascinated me, which is odd since I am not a twin.

The opposite of what you discuss, I find it interesting to read about twins separated at birth (in theory making their similarities 100% nature and not nurture at all) and find that they chose the same careers, both collect cocktail stirrers, married men named Henry, and wore the same outfit to the first meeting, e.g.

yeah, that stuff is cool. I love to see TV shows about that.

anyhoo, gotta jet dudes & dudettes. great chatting. :)

674 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:32:36pm

re: #671 Vergeltung

but they do have identical DNA, no? I am confused about that one.

Identical twins have the exact same genotype with only differences in phenotype.

Identical genes expressing in different ways.

675 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:33:38pm

It would really funny to find out that the man who invented photocopying was a twin.

676 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:34:17pm

re: #672 buzzsawmonkey

Entirely possible, but also consider most prison inmates are already people with impulse control issues and power fantasy problems. So it could be what you are talking about, only made easier because of the other issues involved.

677 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:38:35pm

re: #675 Silhouette

It would really funny to find out that the man who invented photocopying was a twin.

Nope, an only child. Scratch that theory.

678 uptight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 1:53:35pm

re: #102 experiencedtraveller

Did you Minor in Ranting at the university? Well said.

I never got that far!

Saudi is the hub of all evil. Natural, I suppose since it contains Mecca.

If we can defeat or immobilize Saudi penetration, everything else will follow.

But Saudi are head and shoulders above any other threat we face (including Al Qeada)

679 uptight  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 2:01:59pm

re: #114 pingjockey

That is a wonderful dream. However, how do you propose to move food, people, durable goods without semi tractor trailers? Battery tech is not even good enough for decent cars and hybrids are to damn expensive for what you get. Until we have a breakthrough in some kind of small high horsepower powerplant for semis/trains/planes we have to drill our own oil.

This is not an over night thing, but if we are ever to immobilize the Saudi subversion of our way of life, oil has to be much more insignificant.

Electric cars have got a lot more powerful and with so many different sources of electricity, we can evolve.

If the will of the manufacturers and the ingenuity of the power companies stopped being so fixated on oil it could happen.

And yes - maybe there is 60 years worth of oil self-sufficiency under US soil, but that doesn't help the rest of the world. And while that may not worry many, it does mean the West's balls are still in the Wahabi's grip.

I'd like to see sleek, stylish, powerful electric cars as status symbols...the new Apple iCar

Every time you park it, you can attach a recharger in the parking space. Swipe your car and get 20 mins of recharging while you shop.

680 TheMatrix31  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 2:15:08pm

I always thought it would make more sense for it to be RepuBLUEcans and DemocREDs, but that's just me.

681 Silhouette  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 2:19:53pm

re: #680 TheMatrix31

I always thought it would make more sense for it to be RepuBLUEcans and DemocREDs, but that's just me.

I think everybody agrees it makes more sense, but somehow we got stuck with the opposite.

I believe it was just the luck of the draw, while reasonable people disagree and think it is deliberate by the media to downplay the commie tendency of the DNC.

682 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 3:35:23pm

re: #681 Silhouette

I think everybody agrees it makes more sense, but somehow we got stuck with the opposite.

I believe it was just the luck of the draw, while reasonable people disagree and think it is deliberate by the media to downplay the commie tendency of the DNC.

Sorry, got to go with the intentional theory. There is little the media does by accident. Plus if you add in the historical link between the "reds" and the liberals, it was intentional.

It may not have even been to protect the libs, it may have just been some busybodies not wanting to give anyone the wrong perception about anything.

683 medaura18586  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 6:27:33pm

re: #23 Ward Cleaver

Wow, looking at Michael's articles confirms everything else I've read about the Saudis' influence in the Balkans. Sad.

What have you read? That Al-Qaida has taken over? I'm not sure what you mean by this.

684 nyc redneck  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:26:43pm

re: #103 ErnieG

The beautiful Painted Mosque is one of the few such left in the Balkans. I don't have a link, but I have read that the Wahhabis have gutted many of these beautiful places, leaving them with bare, stark, whitewashed walls.

that says it all.
the wahhabis dream of turning any moslem country into afghanistan or worse, if that is possible. that is the problem w/ islam. the slide toward the purist evil in the koran.

685 littleO  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 7:48:29pm

So. What are we supposed to do? This is the question posed by all thias news from around the world.
Become energy independent is a first step. As T. Boone says we are embarked on the greateast transfer of wealth in the history of the world.
Second, develope trade with those who have something we value, or, something we value. Quit this notion of world democriazation(sp). We cannot finance the world! That significant amount of money is much needed here.
Lastly. America needs a wholesale slash in its governments spending to re-evaluate the dollars value upwards. This is the surest way to invigorate our overall economic health, and not live off exports and debt instruments. Illiminating Government spending will also shore up personnal wealth of wages, pensions, insurance policy's and various forms of savings because the value of the dollar will be stable and lack volitility.

686 Macker  Mon, Jul 28, 2008 8:59:04pm

re: #53 faraway

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

Huh? That's funny, I see it there. Clicked right on the link you gave.
Yeah, I like the interface but it's going to take awhile to sort stuff out.

687 Ledger1  Tue, Jul 29, 2008 2:19:59am

[Picture of compound with bull horns attached to the top]

The next building over in the compound had been forcibly converted into a Sunni mosque. Speakers for the muezzin’s call to prayer were bolted to the side of the chimney. During our interview the call to prayer screeched from above. “Allahu Akbar…” the muezzin called. My Bektashi Sufi hosts groaned.

It seems like the citizens of Tetovo, Macedonia should set-up of some noise control laws.

If you tried to do that in a New York or Boston you would be in hot water. Screeching at people with powerful Bull horns mounted on buildings should not be allowed.

Now, paying women to convert to Wahhabism smacks of employing women suicide bombers.

They are using the fact that the local people are poor and unemployed; they are paying them to convert to Wahhabism. Also, they are making people pray five times a day.”
“How much are they being paid?” I said
.

We are not sure,” he said, “maybe 200 or 300 dollars or Euros per month. They are paying more to convert women.”


See: The Bin Ladens of the Balkans


The Balkans are in range of Iraq and Afghanistan. If the Saudis are paying women to become bombers or hirabi barbarians then the US has an interest in stopping this type of “conversion.”

I would trust that our intelligence agencies are making contacts and keeping these fanatical Wahhabi preachers under surveillance. I hope we will not need to go into the Balkans again.


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