Saudi Arabia is spreading the disease of Islamic Jihadism across the globe.

Where is Saudi Arabia's influence not "insidious"?

As I've mentioned before. As far back as 1999 it was Bosnian muslims who were warning me about Saudi "cavemen" and their penchant for buggery religious schools.

re: #2 godfrey

In Saudi Arabia, where it is seen as not being sufficiently Islamist enough.

For a split second I read Balkans as Falklands and wondered just how far Saudi Arabia's influence was spreading.

Meanwhile, we help support this every time we go to the gas station, and the Dhimmicraps are blocking any vote on offshore drilling because it would "give the oil companies more money". It would give US oil companies more money, instead of foreign ones. But we can see where Pelosi and others loyalties are, the traitors.

Holocaust in the Baltics.

[Link: depts.washington.edu...]

The Palestinians and their Arab allies were anything but neutral about the fate of European Jewry.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

Would you see this in an American mosque?

I remember reading a couple of years ago how the Saudis were paying for new (ugly) mosques in Bosnia and Kosovo, to replace traditional ones, and how cemeteries were being destroyed, so people couldn't visit dead relatives (the islamists see it as idol worship), etc.

re: #2 godfrey

Where is Saudi Arabia's influence not "insidious"?

6 feet under.

Will President Obama step on the heels of the Saudis and demand they contain themselves, or will he focus on more pressing issues like trans fats?

Meanwhile, Serb-sponsoring Russia's planting its flag on the North Pole for world domination of petroleum rights!

Sorry for the early OT, but I just noticed:

Google has another of their bogus "holidays" up.

re: #13 victor_yugo

Sorry for the early OT, but I just noticed:

Google has another of their bogus "holidays" up.

Their "Flag Day" banner was so - uh, well, uh, let me think, um, shitty.

The Wahabi Mutawah's of Saudi Arabia think that a smile is an overt affront to Allah. They want to spread their ideas throughout the world. Buy middle east oil and support them.

re: #8 Killgore Trout
Well I've never been in a mosque so I can't say for sure, but my hunch is NO you wouldn't see Old Glory in a Mosque ANYWHERE!
That musta been photoshopped, no?

in re: the sidebar: Frank says:
If they want you, they will get you.
That's why "they" should be minimized at every opportunity.

/"I can indict a ham sandwich".

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

While we're discussing cross-national influence, take a look at this NPR story from this morning about the special relationship between China and the Sudan.

Not merely the fact that Sudan sells 80% of its oil to China; General Gordon, who fought the Chinese in the Opium Wars, was killed in the Sudan, and the Chinese love the Sudanese for having done so.

Note, also, the adulatory tone in which the article discusses the Mahdi.

Murderous regimes say "sh*t" and NPR squats and asks "what color?"

re: #13 victor_yugo

Sorry for the early OT, but I just noticed:

Google has another of their bogus "holidays" up.

Google's new rival...story here.

re: #14 buzzsawmonkey

Good catch. Maybe someone will notice!

re: #8 Killgore Trout,

No, you wouldn't. That is part of our problem. We're unwilling to see the enemy, even when he proclaims his enmity.

Wow, looking at Michael's articles confirms everything else I've read about the Saudis' influence in the Balkans. Sad.

"They're still there trying to impose a stern Wahhabi interpretation of Islam on indigenous Europeans"
I don't understand the reluctance of the Europeans. Who can turn down living in the 4th century? Not to mention the daily excitement of mercy killings, genital mutilation, arranged marriages, suicide bombings, and the ever popular chopping off of heads.

Once again we note the insidious creep of radical Islam backed by Saudi gold.

Also, make not that we once again catch a glimpse of moderate (no sharia) Muslims. It is a glimpse only, as the media consistently provides a forum only to those such as CAIR, ISNA, MSA, and MAS that are products of the radical branch of Islam.

Truly moderate groups, such as the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Muslims Against Sharia, and others go wanting.

It seems the Wahhabis have successfully transformed this portion of Macedonia into what former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky calls a fear society.

When you experience a 'fear society' you learn the all encompassing, smothering nature of the tyranny is the only issue of import. Everything else: art, sport, society is subservient to the fear power.

I was going to ignore it, but I think maybe I need to post something about that brain-dead Discovery Institute attack, just for the record.

The Haj and the Holocaust.

[Link: emperors-clothes.com...]

re: #20 jorline Hey there jorline, I don't get what "bogus" (or any other holiday) Google is supposedly celebrating?

re: #27 Charles

I know you don't like doing editorials, but I'm looking forward to reading what you have to say.

re: #20 jorline

Google's new rival...story here.

I realize today is Cuil's first day as operational but after two minutes (and counting) of waiting for search results for "The Dark Knight" (only 200,000 results), I'm less than impressed. Guess it's still got a few kinks to work out.

The Haj and Iraq and Iraqi Jews.

[Link: www.bankingonbaghdad.com...]

re: #29 realwest

Hey there jorline, I don't get what "bogus" (or any other holiday) Google is supposedly celebrating?

Isn't today "kick America in the teeth day" or was that last week in Berlin?

re: #29 realwest

If you click on the logo, you'll find that it's the b-day for Beatrix Potter, who wrote childrens books including the Peter Rabbit stories.

re: #20 jorline

Google's new rival...story here.

that looks promising. I stopped using Google a long time ago, and switched to Ask.com. it's a cool site & it works.

re: #25 maninthemiddle

Once again we note the insidious creep of radical Islam backed by Saudi gold.

Also, make not that we once again catch a glimpse of moderate (no sharia) Muslims. It is a glimpse only, as the media consistently provides a forum only to those such as CAIR, ISNA, MSA, and MAS that are products of the radical branch of Islam.

Truly moderate groups, such as the American Islamic Forum for Democracy, Muslims Against Sharia, and others go wanting.

When we are free of Saudi (et al) influence, i.e. not kowtowing to them for their oil/lifeblood for our existence, then we shall see...
Until such time, we are ourselves the worst kind of dhimmi- eunuchs and take whatever it is that they are giving.

So, not for any bloviate enviro- reason, I am 100% for energy independence in whatever form.

To really fix the middle east would require shoving the Saud Wahabi clan back into the Nejd. Arabian arabs can be divided into the northern and southern groups, with the north including the arab natives of Syria, Iraq, Jordan and the Nejd region of Saudi Arabia. The Hejaz, Yemen and Oman are linguistically and culturally different. In addition there are the religious divisions, mostly between Sunni and Shia. The northern Sunni are minorities in Iraq and are a repressed majority in Syria. If the map was really redrawn to unite Sunni majority regions the big losers would be Iranian proxies in Syria and Lebanon. Unfortunately for the Sunnis they are like the Jews in that they live in all the bits of the region that are not producing huge amounts of oil. The Sunni in Iraq have made a painful transition towards reality with the Anbar Wakening. If the dominance of the backward Saud clan over the region was removed then they may be able to lead the North arab Sunni in a more productive direction.

re: #34 lawhawk

I like Beatrix Potter; she was also a fine illustrator and botanist.

cuil.com will be a fossil soon enough.

re: #24 calvin coolidge

"They're still there trying to impose a stern Wahhabi interpretation of Islam on indigenous Europeans"
I don't understand the reluctance of the Europeans. Who can turn down living in the 4th century? Not to mention the daily excitement of mercy killings, genital mutilation, arranged marriages, suicide bombings, and the ever popular chopping off of heads.

And think of the job opportunities.

*CLINK* Bring out your dead *CLINK* Bring out your dead *CLINK*

re: #29 realwest

Hey there jorline, I don't get what "bogus" (or any other holiday) Google is supposedly celebrating?

Must be the Islamic Easter or Muslim Viagra ad symbolized by the multiply like rabbits...lol

I'm great this morning RW...how are you?

re: #38 Dianna

I like Beatrix Potter; she was also a fine illustrator and botanist.

I like Roald Dahl, never knew of his anti-semitism though until Google made a logo for him. I still love his books though.

Isn't it interesting that our friend Obama didn't stop to see our friends the Saudis on his recent trip. And no protest from our Saudi friends that they were disrespected when he visited everyone else.

You would almost believe they specifically didn't want to be seen with each other- pre election.

re: #39 faraway

cuil.com will be a fossil soon enough.

That oddball name that isn't pronounced the way it looks is a strike against right off the bat.

Dumb.

The most aggravating thing about all of these nasty behaviors and -isms and -itys from all quarters of the world is that the resultant flare- ups inevitably diminish my own appreciation for far- off cultural niceties.

For instance, there is a magnificent Arab grocer/restaurant here in town, but every time I step through their door, I can't help thinking... and so, am a less- frequent patron than before.

re: #34 lawhawk

If you click on the logo, you'll find that it's the b-day for Beatrix Potter, who wrote childrens books including the Peter Rabbit stories.

Oh, so I guess next week on August 5 they'll have a special page honoring this guy.

/Not likely....

re: #34 lawhawk Thanks lawhawk!

re: #31 bosforus

I realize today is Cuil's first day as operational but after two minutes (and counting) of waiting for search results for "The Dark Knight" (only 200,000 results), I'm less than impressed. Guess it's still got a few kinks to work out.

I agree...this will be interesting to watch. I Cuiled my name and got nada... I'm a nobody on COOL...lol

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

*change: The most to: An.
thank you.

re: #45 Capitalist Tool

The most aggravating thing about all of these nasty behaviors and -isms and -itys from all quarters of the world is that the resultant flare- ups inevitably diminish my own appreciation for far- off cultural niceties.

For instance, there is a magnificent Arab grocer/restaurant here in town, but every time I step through their door, I can't help thinking... and so, am a less- frequent patron than before.

But is he Muslim or Christian? Huge difference!

re: #41 jorline I'm doing ok, thanks for asking!
An Islamic Easter? ROTFL!

re: #48 jorline

I agree...this will be interesting to watch. I Cuiled my name and got nada... I'm a nobody on COOL...lol

I also searched "Dr. Livingstone, I Presume" (don't ask why) and it returned no results. Come on! 127 billion web pages and NO mention of Dr. Livingstone. I'm not buying it.

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

re: #5 bosforus

For a split second I read Balkans as Falklands and wondered just how far Saudi Arabia's influence was spreading.

Mebbe they already are... and just can't help themselves at the thought of the flocks there... with no easy way to escape off the Islands... think of the sheep man... think of the sheep...

re: #54 anotherindyfilmguy

Mebbe they already are... and just can't help themselves at the thought of the flocks there... with no easy way to escape off the Islands... think of the sheep man... think of the sheep...

Send in the Argentine Armada, they'll take care of business!

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Would you see this in an American mosque?

If it comes to outright war in America then the ones who choose the right side will...

re: #10 Nevergiveup

6 feet under.

Assuming they don't defile/desecrate your grave... which they seem to have as an extra duty according to the article...

cuil.com, says

We didn’t find any results for “little green footballs”

re: #53 faraway It did if you search using initial capital letters - I got a LOT of stuff searching for Pearl Harbor.

re: #53 faraway

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

Ditto for 9/11.

Then again, no results for "impeach Bush."

Looks like they're not quite ready for prime time.

re: #59 realwest

It did if you search using initial capital letters - I got a LOT of stuff searching for Pearl Harbor.

If it going to be case sensitive that could be a problem. There are a lot of people, even around here, that don't seem to have shift buttons on their keyboards.

We didn’t find any results for “Pearl Harbor”

re: #58 faraway I got 278 results for Little Green Footballs.com - must be case sensitive.

Well, "they" are mixed, and it depends on the counter person with whom you are dealing.
Then there are the other patrons who also exhibit the narrowing eyes and the tightening lips.
But it isn't any one of them, as I don't give a shit about what they think, It's usually (not always) just a failing of my own in painting them with the colors from the world's pallette, deserved or not.
Also, i get slittyy- eyed right back at 'em- can't be too careful, don't you know.
Pity, really, as not only is the food great, but the most daunting backgammon players hang out there, and not a few chess whizzes.
Ot they used to, anyway.

Yep. Clingin' to my Bible and guns and not accepting of them damn furriners and aliens.

Even if cuil.com's search results were good, it wouldn't matter.

cuil=dead man walking

re: #55 bosforus

Send in the Argentine Armada, they'll take care of business!

listening to: Buddy Holly- That'll Be the Day

We didn’t find any results for “littlegreenfootballs”

re: #62 faraway
Huh, just did another search for Pearl Harbor and got "2,200,000 results for Pearl Harbor".

re: #67 faraway

did U search "lizardoidness"?

re: #53 faraway

I read this AM (can't remember where) that they didn't have all the bugs worked out of CUIL - quite yet.

re: #70 Cap'n DOC

I read this AM (can't remember where) that they didn't have all the bugs worked out of CUIL - quite yet.

Can't help but hope for some deserved come- uppance.

re: #58 faraway

I messed with Cuil earlier; it stinks. It doesn't correct typos and spelling errors, no news search, no blog search and the images are rarely relevant to the search result. I'm underwhelmed.

re: #67 faraway Are you sure you're using Cuil's homepage to start your searches?

re: #73 realwest

Are you sure you're using Cuil's homepage to start your searches?

Hey, I'm not that far away.

re: #10 Nevergiveup

6 feet under.

But does that refer to them ... or to us?

re: #67 faraway
Please see my #63.

Ya know, it's trying to if not replace, then at least give us another alternative to Google and I don't think that's a bad thing - maybe they'll get the bugs worked out in a little while.

Not that I'd be advocating violence but...
It seems like the Natives need to somehow reject the "foreign radical clerics" or they are doomed... how they reject them could be brute force, it could be guerrilla tactics aimed at the leaders or it could be convincing the government(s) above and around them where the region is heading, which is a bigger headache for everyone around them, unless the trend is nipped short now...
But people being people and all the most likely course is whichever is the most painful in the long term for the convenience of today...

On the other hand I can't help but wonder what would happen if a large US church organization set foot there (with gobs of cash to bribe the government into action/protecting them etc) and started a campaign to convert the locals for being Wahhabi etc...

PIMF:
convert the locals for being Wahhabi etc...
Meant to say:
convert the locals from being Wahhabi etc...

re: #74 faraway LOL! Then I don't get the disparity in our results - I mean, I got over TWO MILLION responses to Pearl Harbor and 278 for Little Green Footballs.com.
I went to your original link about no pearl harbor, hit the Cuil in the top right corner, it took me to a search page where I typed in my case sensitive search requests, that's the only reason I asked you that!

re: #76 realwest

Please see my #63.

Ya know, it's trying to if not replace, then at least give us another alternative to Google and I don't think that's a bad thing - maybe they'll get the bugs worked out in a little while.

Case sensitive problems are not bugs. That's kindergarden stuff.

cuil is a joke. Reminds me of DinnerJacket's missiles. Somebody's fooling the investors here.

Yes sir, we are ready to launch the missile website sir.

Just Googled "cuil.com".
That's gotta piss 'em off.

THe House of Saud is putting a lot of petro dollars behind the spread of Wahhabism. The Saudi supported schools as we have seen use despicable text books.
I like W, but I don't like to see my president over there literally holding hands with Saudi Royals, while begging for some help with price of crude.

re: #81 Capitalist Tool

haha, cuil.com is the 2nd result in Google. Google is just trying to stick it in their eye.

Just Googled "cuil.com".
That's gotta piss 'em off.

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

re: #53 faraway

pearl harbor did not happen according to cuil

just add HI. to your search and 85 million hits come up.. Of course by then i had fell asleep.

I found lgf in cuil finally. I searched for "creationism".

/jk

re: #78 anotherindyfilmguy It's ok, I knew what you meant the first time. LOL.
I dunno - I mean when you say "gobs of cash" in Saudi Arabia, that's a HELL of a lot of dough, given the probably TRILLION dollar net worth of the Saud family.

I think we had a GREAT chance in Desert I, but caved to their demands of no crucifixes being allowed to be worn "publically" by our troops; female troops having to wear long sleeve shirts and all. I know we went in to save the Magic Kingdom's Ass from Hussein, but we really went in to protect "our" oil supplies there and coulda and shoulda muscled the Royal House around waaay more than we did.

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

Maybe them and the police?

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

PETA?

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

Yep.
And do you ahve a local office of fair trading? Them, too!

have a good'n everyone.
later

We didn’t find any results for “john edwards love child”

Some reasons might be...
* we are just as liberal as google
* a typo. Please check your spelling.
* your search includes a term that is very rare. Try to find a more common substitute.
* too many search terms. Please try fewer terms.

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Call your local Animal Controll office. They'll know what to do.

Now I am not all that fond of missionaries. Seeing the Witnesses approach is a good reason to always walk with the dog. They steer clear of the sweet puppy. The Mormons on the other hand seem OK. Nevertheless I can think of at least two good reasons for us to insist that missionaries be allowed to work in all these countries.

1. It gets some really annoying people out of our country.

2. By defending the missionaries against threats and bullying by the Islamists we will in the eyes of the locals be forcing them to respect us. The problem that we face in many of these 3rd world cultures, like The Bronx, is that the locals do not respect the West or take us seriously. They must learn that respect is mutual. That is why the surge helped transform the climate in Iraq. We may not have to create a long term colonial occupation but we do have to change the expectations of the people out there.

I'll bet the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles could handle this turtle abuser.

re: #87 realwest

It's ok, I knew what you meant the first time. LOL.
I dunno - I mean when you say "gobs of cash" in Saudi Arabia, that's a HELL of a lot of dough, given the probably TRILLION dollar net worth of the Saud family.

I think we had a GREAT chance in Desert I, but caved to their demands of no crucifixes being allowed to be worn "publically" by our troops; female troops having to wear long sleeve shirts and all. I know we went in to save the Magic Kingdom's Ass from Hussein, but we really went in to protect "our" oil supplies there and coulda and shoulda muscled the Royal House around waaay more than we did.

How true. By caving into their demands, while we were protecting them, we sent a bad signal.
I have no idea if Sadam was actually going to cross from Kuwait into Saudi Arabia, but without us there would have been nothing to stop him. By accepting Saudi conditions, we looked in their eyes inferior to them & reinforced the Mosque lessons. Our troops were referred to as 'White Slaves."

re: #85 HoosierHoops
Hey there HH - take a look at my #79 - came up really fast too.

Unfortunately the turtles will be destroyed. There's a real disease risk associated with them. Who to call depends on where you live.

All across the world, from Dearborn to Melbourne, from West London to the West Bank, the Saudis are splashing the cash to ensure that Wahabi meta-terrorism is subtly spread.

It poisons our society with its backward culture, oppression and hatred.

There's obvious ironies here - firstly, any Christian ministry trying to operate in Saudis would be expelled so fast their heads would spin.

Secondly, the Saudis wouldn't have a pot to piss in were it not for the oil that just happens to be under their ground. Their cultural, philosophical and scientific contribution to this planet would not show up on an atomic spectrometer.

Yes it is the development of our civilization that drives the needs for their oil and thus funds the Wahabi forces that seek to subvert our civilization.

This either makes the Saudis the biggest, most evil parasite in history or makes us the biggest mugs in history.

It's not just the Saudis either. Our other enemies, Iran & Venezuela are non-achievers who thrive because of our thirst for oil.

I am no wacko environmentalist, but it doesn't take a degree in economics to realize that Western civilization's most urgent, pressing issue is the need to replace oil. Drilling into ANWR only stalls the issue and still leaves us reliant on bastard regimes.

If we phase banned the use of oil-fueled cars and factories over the next 5 years, we could tell the Suadis, Ahmadinejad & Chavez to go piss up a rope. The funding for the Wahabis would dry up and they could go back to being unsophisticated, non-threatening desert folk.

The longer we put money in their pockets the longer these Saudi Academies and wahabi mosques will continue attacking us.

re: #96 opnion Huh, never heard of our troops being called "White Slaves" but I do know that the Chaplains tents were not allowed to have a cross or Star of David on them.
Yes, they REALLY NEEDED US (or thought they did, I have no idea if Hussein was going to go into the Magic Kingdom either, but the MK sure thought they were!) and we should not have caved into their ridiculous demands. In fact we should have imposed some demands of our own - ya know, like free oil at x million barrels a day for five years or something like that. Then put half of it in the Strategic Reserve.

Obama is committed to failure.....
Obama Confronts Reporter Over "Surge" Question (VIDEO)

The Surge worked but he still opposes it. Pretty impressive.

re: #99 uptight

Did you Minor in Ranting at the university? Well said.

The beautiful Painted Mosque is one of the few such left in the Balkans. I don't have a link, but I have read that the Wahhabis have gutted many of these beautiful places, leaving them with bare, stark, whitewashed walls.

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Call your local Animal Controll office. They'll know what to do.

Philadelphia Animal Control is a joke. We had a rabid racoon in our apartment complex & they refused to come out & deal with it. They said they'd pick up the remains once it died, though. I'm going to call ASPCA.

We can't drill our way out of this problem, eh? Seems to me we should be doing EVERYTHING to ween ourselves off the teet of foreign oil.....One less dollar given to "our friends" the Saudis, is one less dollar they will turn around and do this kind of crap.

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Are they turtles or tortoises?

re: #99 uptight Good post. And I dibs "makes us the biggest mugs in history."
But I seriously don't see how we're gonna get away from gasoline or diesel fueled vehicles in 5 years.

Huffpo gives legal advice on kidnapping government officials....
How to Perform a Citizen's Arrest of A Bush Administration Official

We really ought to be inspired by the 4 courageous Iowans who dared to try to hold Rove accountable for his crimes. Government officials, no matter how high-ranking, should be prevented from even walking the street without fear of arrest, if they are guilty of a crime. Whether or not justice is done should not depend on how politically influential the accused is. If the Justice Department will not do its job, then let citizens uphold the law. Citizen's arrests are a powerful yet peaceful way to show the strength and defiance of the American people.

Good luck with that.

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They suck here in Portland too.

re: #99 uptight,

If we phase banned the use of oil-fueled cars and factories over the next 5 years, we could tell the Suadis, Ahmadinejad & Chavez to go piss up a rope.

And replaced it with what? Sure, you can replace power generation with nukes, but what are you going to replace the cars, boats, motorcycles, etc. with? How are you going to compensate the billions of dollars worth of goods that such a ban would make unusable/illegal?

Your plan is unworkable.

re: #99 uptight

We get most of our oil from Canada & Mexico. Crude is fungible & can be diverted where the demand is (China).
Saudi Arabia will still have enormous petro dollars.
Your point is taken however. No matter who we buy from it does prop up the price for the Saudis.
We should do everything, drill, solar , wind etc.

re: #104 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Philadelphia Animal Control is a joke. We had a rabid racoon in our apartment complex & they refused to come out & deal with it. They said they'd pick up the remains once it died, though. I'm going to call ASPCA.

Were they busy dealing with a rabid mayor?

re: #101 Killgore Trout
"The Surge worked but he still opposes it. Pretty im depressive.
There, fixed that for you!

re: #99 uptight
That is a wonderful dream. However, how do you propose to move food, people, durable goods without semi tractor trailers? Battery tech is not even good enough for decent cars and hybrids are to damn expensive for what you get. Until we have a breakthrough in some kind of small high horsepower powerplant for semis/trains/planes we have to drill our own oil.

re: #108 Killgore Trout

I can only shake my head in disbelief at that.
Basically they're saying 'we decide who is a criminal, and then arrest him' - reminds me of a certain Place in the middle of Europe, not that long ago ...

re: #78 anotherindyfilmguy

PIMF:
convert the locals for being Wahhabi etc...
Meant to say:
convert the locals from being Wahhabi etc...

Whew!

re: #100 realwest

Huh, never heard of our troops being called "White Slaves" but I do know that the Chaplains tents were not allowed to have a cross or Star of David on them.
Yes, they REALLY NEEDED US (or thought they did, I have no idea if Hussein was going to go into the Magic Kingdom either, but the MK sure thought they were!) and we should not have caved into their ridiculous demands. In fact we should have imposed some demands of our own - ya know, like free oil at x million barrels a day for five years or something like that. Then put half of it in the Strategic Reserve.

THe charming term, "White Slaves" was actually used by Saudi Prince's.

I've been off for a few days. Anyone mention the abuse in Pali prisons articles? If not, i know you will be shocked that members of the ROP are abusing their brothers in prison. And can someone explain why they keep their brothers in prison while demanding Israel release terrorist Palis from Israeli jails?

re: #84 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Completely OT, but there's a guy selling little baby turtles in plastic boxes out on the street corner. This can't be legal - not to mention good for the turtles. Whom should I contact about this? ASPCA?

PETT

re: #117 opnion

THe charming term, "White Slaves" was actually used by Saudi Prince's.

That is a "charming" name. I hear our troops call their "soldiers" cowards and pansies.....I think our guys have it dead on

re: #118 madisonsfriend
They aren't the right 'kind' of muslim.

re: #110 Iron Fist Hey bro' - I agree with you, but I also think we as a Nation have GOT to find a way to become a WHOLE lot less energy dependent on foreign sources.
I mean, it REALLY PISSES ME OFF that the French - THE FRENCH! - derive something like 70+% of their electrical power from Nuclear reactors. And I know we don't come anything close to that - hell we're not even in yelling distance of that.
No it won't solve a lot of our problems, but it will surely lessen the load some.

re: #99 uptight

Finding something to replace oil isn't just a matter of deciding to do it, and it will come in a year or two. There are hundreds of alternatives out there and each and every one IS being looked into. Lots of time, money, and brainpower is going into developing all of them. Banning petroleum would not get us "serious" about finding alternatives: we're serious now, but things take time.

That time could be provide by drilling in ANWR. We would use our own instead of theirs, granting the fungible nature of oil.

Add to the extra time shale oil, which was not feasible at $40/barrel, but certainly is now. The USA is the Saudi Arabia of shale oil. What we have beneath our soil equals three Arabias. These two sources would last us 60 or so years, using oil. Imagine the technological advances in 60 years, batteries (making nuclear power useful for cars, etc.) for example, and biodiesel, and every other thing you can think of.

To help in imagining, compare our technology today to the 1940s. And remember, we're developing technology faster now. The advances in computers in just 50 years someone compared to going from the wheel to the space shuttle in just under a century.

OT but did you see Savage's suit against CAIR got tossed.
Savage Suit Against CAIR

re: #115 yma o hyd

It's incredibly irresponsible for them to publish that article. The legal ramifications are the least of your problems when trying to kidnap government officials. It's very likely you'll be shot dead by the secret service. Those guys don't play around.

re: #114 pingjockey

Battery tech is not even good enough for decent cars and hybrids are to damn expensive for what you get.

Part of my issue with the auto makers right now is that they refuse to make hybrids in all models and with all levels of options. They only seem to make the cars with all the options which drives up the cost. Having said that, I have already decided that my next car will be a hybrid for the simple reason that I think we all need to do our part to help the US become energy independent.

Note, however, that I did not say that I want any of this mandated by the government.

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

re: #124 big steve

OT but did you see Savage's suit against CAIR got tossed.
Savage Suit Against CAIR

I understand that it was poorly written. What a shame.

re: #120 Desert Dog

That is a "charming" name. I hear our troops call their "soldiers" cowards and pansies.....I think our guys have it dead on

Right, but hearing that reported was infuriating. It let's you know how we are actually viewed.

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Just put them on posts.

re: #120 Desert Dog

That is a "charming" name. I hear our troops call their "soldiers" cowards and pansies.....I think our guys have it dead on

oh anyone who knows any soldiers who did time over in the sand box knows their are quite a few colorful tems for our arab so called friends...but decorum and threat of deletion keep me from writing them here.

re: #124 big steve

OT but did you see Savage's suit against CAIR got tossed.
Savage Suit Against CAIR

I am angry at him- I do not appreciate him denigrating people with autism and using the word he used -Putz(which means much worse than most people know) in regard to that situation. I think he is just another big media whore(if I find a "journalist who isn't, I'l let you know)and his website with more stuff to purchase than Walmart makes me sure of it. I don't like CAIR either but I don't like MR. Savage(not his real name anyway)

re: #101 Killgore Trout

Obama is committed to failure.....
Obama Confronts Reporter Over "Surge" Question (VIDEO)

The Surge worked but he still opposes it. Pretty impressive.

....except where he doesn't oppose it, but demands it (Afghanistan)

re: #126 Ford_Prefect
Nope. Let the market determine it. That said, I need a pick up or a car. Now a small 4 cyl pickup is less than 25k and gets 28mpg. A hybrid car gets 40mpg+ but costs 40k+. Which do you suppose I am going to buy?

Well it's been grand as usual all y'all, but I do have to go eat lunch now.
Hope you all have a great day and that I get to see you down the road!

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

The problem with little turtles- besides the cruelty to turtles -is that unless they are properly bred- youcan get salmonella from handling them.

re: #136 madisonsfriend
Really? Why is that?

re: #132 madisonsfriend

I am angry at him- I do not appreciate him denigrating people with autism and using the word he used -Putz(which means much worse than most people know) in regard to that situation. I think he is just another big media whore(if I find a "journalist who isn't, I'l let you know)and his website with more stuff to purchase than Walmart makes me sure of it. I don't like CAIR either but I don't like MR. Savage(not his real name anyway)

Don't like him either. I think most of the talk show host take insane positions for ratings. I was kind of glad of the result.

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

Tell them to call each other, work it out, and let you know what they decide.

re: #16 gymnast

The Wahabi Mutawah's of Saudi Arabia think that a smile is an overt affront to Allah. They want to spread their ideas throughout the world. Buy middle east oil and support them.

Our president is asshole buddies with them.

re: #125 Killgore Trout

Not just that - their whole concept of citizens' arrests for people who they say have committed crimes is - certainly here in GB - illegal. You are only allowed to use a citizens' arrest if a crime against another person is in progress, you see it and can interfere without danger to yourself and bystanders.
And even then you can get into deep trouble with the Law for possible GBH ...

That whole idea from Huffpo is very dangerous, as you say, and utterly ludicrous as well - don't they have any lawyers vetting some of their stuff?
Ah - forgot - LLLs are above the law, natch!

[Link: www.cdc.gov...]
salmonella in turtles

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

Then call the local TV news. A sob story with incompetent bureaucrats thrown in, they should love it.

re: #143 lifeofthemind

Good idea.

re: #136 madisonsfriend

The
problem with little turtles- besides the cruelty to turtles -is that
unless they are properly bred- youcan get salmonella from handling them.

Do you get turtlenella from handling bad salmon?

re: #127 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SPCA tells me to call Philadelphia Animal Control.
Animal Control tells me to call SPCA.

That figures!
Try Trading Standards - the ones who check restaurants for cockroaches and such - they are quite good!

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I don't know whether to ding you up or ding you down for that groaner. ;-)

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do you get turtlenella from handling bad salmon?

only from little very bad salmon. Your ears turn red and your back starts to get hard and scaly

re: #134 pingjockey

Nope. Let the market determine it. That said, I need a pick up or a car. Now a small 4 cyl pickup is less than 25k and gets 28mpg. A hybrid car gets 40mpg+ but costs 40k+. Which do you suppose I am going to buy?

Exactly. But imagine that 4 cyl. pickup with a hybrid engine. That is my point. They all have the technology, why not put it in every vehicle?

Totten is amazing. Doing the work the lazy biased Lauer/Couric/Hollwyood Insider mainstream media will not do.

re: #146 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Do you get turtlenella from handling bad salmon?

Is that a dance in Sicily?

re: #122 realwest,

Drill here, drill now! That is the first thing we need to do to fight our dependance on foreign oil. Nuclear reactors are the second. If "environmentalists" were serious about CO₂ they'd lynch Al Gore they'd demand that gas fired plants be replaced with nuclear. It makes sense whether one believes Global Warmism or not.

Replaceing the internal combustion engine, OTOH, requires a breakthrough in technology. There's no telling when that will happen. Hydrogen is a possibility for an alternate fuel source, but you need lots of nuke plants to produce enough electricity to produce the hydrogen. Right now it is just an interesting idea.

re: #140 itellu3times

Our president is asshole buddies with them.

There is a long history with the Bush family.

re: #103 ErnieG

That's happened everywhere the Wahabis have encountered anything that runs counter to their interpretation of Islamic law. They are iconoclasts - and will destroy any images that they deem unIslamic.

The Taliban follow along those lines - as witnessed by their destruction of the Bamiyan Buddhas, which was a double whammy since they could erase the presence of religions and cultures that predate Islam.

re: #149 madisonsfriend

only from little very bad salmon. Your ears turn red and your back starts to get hard and scaly

That sounds like Lizardellosis to me ...

I managed to get through to someone at Animal Control & they said they'd send someone down to check it out right away.

re: #150 Ford_Prefect
I have no damn idea. I do know Detroit auto engineers are assholes. Trying to get the front end off of the 16 yr olds '97 Ford escort wagon and get the radiator out. Sheesh, need 2 nasa engineers to figure out how they hooked the shit up.

re: #72 Killgore Trout

I messed with Cuil earlier; it stinks. It doesn't correct typos and spelling errors, no news search, no blog search and the images are rarely relevant to the search result. I'm underwhelmed.

I was trying it out because my wife called and said she saw a bear print in the yard. (There are black bears in the town we live in).
Cuil only found bear print fabrics, etc. At least google found pictures of bear prints, and I refined my search to black bear prints (or tracks) and found a good article on them.
cuil took a long time and was useless.

re: #118 madisonsfriend

I've been off for a few days. Anyone mention the abuse in Pali prisons articles? If not, i know you will be shocked that members of the ROP are abusing their brothers in prison. And can someone explain why they keep their brothers in prison while demanding Israel release terrorist Palis from Israeli jails?

I've completely come to the conclusion that Israel is seeking to not be attacked... which means that, even at the street level, the policing level, they are asking for special treatment. They don't want to live according to the day-to-day acceptable behavior of the region. The neighbors kill, maim, imprision (women in the kitchen and nursery) each other even inside each country far more than they try to get at the Israelis. So that Kuntar guy wouldn't be seen by many as a murderer because his behavior is what is expected by where he came from.

re: #150 Ford_Prefect

Because the costs would still be higher than a straight gas powered engine, and the manufacturers lack the capacity to put batteries in all those cars.

The limitation at this point is the battery production of LiIion batteries.

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

I think that the way to "help the US become energy independent" is not to buy a half-assed, twixt-and-tween hybrid, but to demand that the US use the oil it's got so as not to pay money out to our enemies. "Energy alternatives," if and when they come, will not arrive one second sooner for buying a car which carries two power sources instead of one.

Of course we should drill. I never said we shouldn't. However, that doesn't that we shouldn't do what we can as individuals to help the situation.

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Every kid I knew--back when I was one--had a couple of little pet turtles in one of those hard plastic turtle dishes with the little palm trees in it.

Nobody ever heard of salmonella. Are we that much more immuno-deficient, or are the papers just creating hysteria?

I know I was one of those kids- I think all of the turtles I tossed in the sewer- thinking they were dead- gave birth to the little turtles currently being sold in Philly.

I think probably things got worse for turtle breeders. I don't really know- why are more kids allergic to peanuts and peanut butter? I could be wrong- kids could have been sick and died from it but didn't every school kid in America eat peanut butter sandwiches 2X a week, 2 days was bologna(nitrates) and one day was tuna(mercury) in the 50s and 60s(that is me)- why aren't we dead now?

re: #160 Kosh's Shadow

Cuil only found bear print fabrics

Heh. Fail.

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The higher the official, the greater the protection. The greater the protection, the more likely that "citizen's arrest" turns into "suicide by Secret Service agent."

Is the big deal about "selling turtles" because they are being handled in a manner which might cause them harm?
Or something else- what if they were kittens?

re: #158 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I managed to get through to someone at Animal Control & they said they'd send someone down to check it out right away.

From Alice in Wonderland: "We called him Tortoise because he Taught Us."

re: #164 madisonsfriend
We are immune. Nice article in Readers Digest about boomers. We rode bikes without helmets, drank irrigation water out of hoses, pbjs, bologna at school, etc...

re: #164 madisonsfriend

I
know I was one of those kids- I think all of the turtles I tossed in
the sewer- thinking they were dead- gave birth to the little turtles
currently being sold in Philly.

I think probably things got
worse for turtle breeders. I don't really know- why are more kids
allergic to peanuts and peanut butter? I could be wrong- kids could
have been sick and died from it but didn't every school kid in America
eat peanut butter sandwiches 2X a week, 2 days was bologna(nitrates)
and one day was tuna(mercury) in the 50s and 60s(that is me)- why
aren't we dead now?

I think that peanuts have become sentient & are fighting back against being raised for food. Wait, wasn't that the premise for the latest M. Night Shamaylan train wreck?

When conservatives flip out.....
Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed

The shotgun-wielding suspect in Sunday’s mass shooting at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church was motivated by a hatred of “the liberal movement,” and he planned to shoot until police shot him, Knoxville Police Chief Sterling P. Owen IV said this morning.

Jim D. Adkisson, 58, of Powell wrote a four-page letter in which he stated his “hatred of the liberal movement,” Owen said. “Liberals in general, as well as gays.”

re: #115 yma o hyd

Yes, that's the other part of my complaint; if the lefties can arrest a Bush admin official for "war crimes" what's to stop a neo-nazi or white supremacist from arresting somebody they dislike?

re: #167 Capitalist Tool

Is the big deal about "selling turtles" because they are being handled in a manner which might cause them harm?
Or something else- what if they were kittens?

It is illegal to sell them as immature turtles, you can buy full grown turtles at any pet store. And it is cruel to keep them in pint sized tanks, with no knowledge of how to care for them.

re: #169 pingjockey

We are immune. Nice article in Readers Digest about boomers. We rode bikes without helmets, drank irrigation water out of hoses, pbjs, bologna at school, etc...

Yes, I am amazed that I am alive today- no seatbelts, crawling over into the front seat, and of course, almost no air conditioning, no computers, no cell phones, no video games and only 3 channels of Tv- we did have a record player(how did I grow up?)

re: #162 lawhawk

Because the costs would still be higher than a straight gas powered engine, and the manufacturers lack the capacity to put batteries in all those cars.

The limitation at this point is the battery production of LiIion batteries.

OK. That is the first time that I have actually heard a valid reason.

re: #152 buzzsawmonkey

Every kid I knew--back when I was one--had a couple of little pet turtles in one of those hard plastic turtle dishes with the little palm trees in it.

Nobody ever heard of salmonella. Are we that much more immuno-deficient, or are the papers just creating hysteria?

We had pet tarantulas and snakes of every sort we could catch.
My brother had a pet 'coon and we all caught possums with impunity, but let 'em go. I've a big possum living in my yard for years and pet him when I see him (he does the "lockup" thing and can't bite).

Two friends had pet hawks and one smartaleck had a coyote.

Can't imagine growing up in the city.

re: #172 joncelli
IIRC, to do a citizens arrest there are a bunch of legal hoops to jump through and if all the i's dotted and t's crossed you can be prosecuted for false imprisonment or the like. The huffsters are off the rails, as usual.

#174 madisonsfriend
Do you remember mixing the color into the margarine?
/jk

re: #174 madisonsfriend

Yes, I am amazed that I am alive today- no seatbelts, crawling over into the front seat, and of course, almost no air conditioning, no computers, no cell phones, no video games and only 3 channels of Tv- we did have a record player(how did I grow up?)

....smokers everywhere! My wife always says that if second hand smoke were a serious problem, all of the baby boomers would be dying of lung cancer.

re: #170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I did hear that the M. Night movie had Mother Nature as the bad girl(remember the commercial -was it "don't mess with Mother Nature"?). If you are an old time Philly person- you know peanuts are sentient- Mr. Peanut used to walk along the boardwalk in AC in front of the Planters place- I had a college friend who did that one summer.

re: #172 joncelli

Exactly!
Thats why that sort of citizen's arrest is illegal here in GB, as I'm sure its illegal in the USA.
Otherwise, anybody could arrest anybody else for 'hate' crimes - its bad enough that the police are now being told to do so.

re: #165 Killgore Trout

Heh. Fail.

Fuil (?)

re: #174 madisonsfriend
Me too. :) Told my 3 boys that grampa(my dad) had an automatic channel changer, me.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

When conservatives flip out.....
Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed

So he goes and shoots up a church- well, maybe he will be one of these current rash of guys dying mysteriously in prison before trial

re: #183 Creeping Eruption

Heh.

re: #159 pingjockey

I have no damn idea. I do know Detroit auto engineers are assholes. Trying to get the front end off of the 16 yr olds '97 Ford escort wagon and get the radiator out. Sheesh, need 2 nasa engineers to figure out how they hooked the shit up.

HA!
The first car I ever owned was a '71 Fiat Spider 850. The engine was about the size of a basketball. The first time that I tried to change the oil filter I couldn't find it. When I told my father this he got all irate with me...until he looked and couldn't find it either. Turned out the car had a centrifugal oil filter that had to be removed and cleaned out, not replaced. Talk about disgusting.

re: #170 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yep, the plants are fighting back against the hegemony of Humanity over the planet!

/Why couldn't the plants synthesize an airborne toxin that just killed the humans instead of driving them to suicide? Not enough blood for the big screen then?

OT - please check these links out. The press appears to be passing offf photos of Barry in Kuwait for photos supposedly in Bagram:

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
Sat Jul 19, 2:28 PM ET
In this photo combination rendered from video via APTN, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama speaks to troops at Bagram Air Field, in Afghanistan, Saturday, July 19, 2008. Obama met Saturday with officials of a region of Afghanistan that has been a hotbed of Taliban and al-Qaida activity, offering his support for reconstruction and security there and throughout the country, an official said.
(AP Photo/APTN)

and the same set here, dontcha think?
Sat Jul 19, 3:07 PM ET
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
In this photo combination rendered from video via APTN, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama speaks to troops, in Kuwait, Friday, July 18, 2008. Obama met Saturday with officials of a region of Afghanistan that has been a hotbed of Taliban and al-Qaida activity, offering his support for reconstruction and security there and throughout the country, an official said.
(AP Photo/APTN)

Perhaps a human error, but it has not been pulled as far as I can see, and I have seen several pics from Kuwait posted on news sites as being from Bagram. The only photo of Barry with troops in Bagram that I've seen show him in a line-up with the command.

re: #187 Ford_Prefect

HA!
The first car I ever owned was a '71
Fiat Spider 850. The engine was about the size of a basketball. The
first time that I tried to change the oil filter I couldn't find it.
When I told my father this he got all irate with me...until he looked
and couldn't find it either. Turned out the car had a centrifugal oil
filter that had to be removed and cleaned out, not replaced. Talk about
disgusting.

You know what Fiat stands for, right?

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

Has the phrase, "Snap out of it!", gone by the wayside?

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I find the proliferation of alleged allergies--and alleged malaises like ADD--to be extremely suspect. If the human race were as fragile as we are making ourselves out to be, the entire species would have vanished before the Pyramids were half built.

Heh.
The human species would never have made it out for Olduvai Gorge, never mind surviving the ice age ...

re: #179 UFO TOFU

No-I heard about it but I don't remember it(doesn't mean my mom didn't do it- Iwas a lazy kid when it came to certain tasks)

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

I think that the way to "help the US become energy independent" is not to buy a half-assed, twixt-and-tween hybrid, but to demand that the US use the oil it's got so as not to pay money out to our enemies. "Energy alternatives," if and when they come, will not arrive one second sooner for buying a car which carries two power sources instead of one.

I often agree with buzz, but not on this... I believe in buying technology in order to push the market forward. Eventually, the battery technology that is being pushed by the hybrid's success will stand us in good stead in many applications. Ultimately, I'd see my house with a good battery rechargeable from any of several sources (our nuke plant, our coal plants, natural gas, solar... whatever) then powering the house/home office/car. No peak issues for the utilities...

Also, someone above talked about how most of our oil doesn't come from the middle east and therefore our broadening of energy technologies won't make a difference in $$ going to crazy bombers. But really technology is international. Any energy technology diversification we can make palatable will be bought/ picked up somehow by other big economies (who buy the big bucks of oil from the crazy bomber countries). And wouldn't it be so cool if beneficial technologies like Japan's would come in from Israel, India, China to supplement ours to make the whole thing run better without funding our murderers.

re: #177 buzzsawmonkey

I thought aliens built the pyramids.

/confused.

re: #187 Ford_Prefect
Yuck. Got down to getting the radiator out and there are these 2 doodads holding on 2 hoses. Well, they're either prees fit or you need some damn special sooper sekret tool to get them off! Like I said assholes. Plus all the mounting bolts are metric!

re: #184 pingjockey

Me too. :) Told my 3 boys that grampa(my dad) had an automatic channel changer, me.

That's right- my dad would make me change the channel. of course, I sat right in front of the TV- radiation pouring out onto my sensitive young brain and flesh.

re: #196 mitthrawnurdo

I thought aliens built the pyramids.

/confused.

Just the ones in Central America.

re: #171 Killgore Trout

The shooter mentioned to the police that he hated gays and liberals, and mentioned to his neighbor extreme animosity towards Christians.

Even given that Unitarians don't fall under the umbrella of Christianity, I find it strange that every headline in the land mentions that two of his three dislikes, but leaves out the third.

Also, this is the top story every where I turn. Compare to the gunman who attacked a Christian radio station just this past Friday, with multiple weapons in his car, gunned down by police after a shootout and trying to run over police. This was barely mentioned Friday and then just dropped off the radar completely.

re: #180 eschew_obfuscation

....smokers everywhere! My wife always says that if second hand smoke were a serious problem, all of the baby boomers would be dying of lung cancer.

I don't know about you guys, but I never wore a helmet while riding my bicycle either.

re: #188 mitthrawnurdo

Yep, the plants are fighting back against the hegemony of Humanity over the planet!

/Why couldn't the plants synthesize an airborne toxin that just killed the humans instead of driving them to suicide? Not enough blood for the big screen then?

Wasn't that the plot of the movie 'Day of the Trifadds?"
Silly movie. I like deeper stuff like, 'Killer Clowns for Outer Space."

re: #201 Ford_Prefect

I don't know about you guys, but I never wore a helmet while riding my bicycle either.

I wear a helmet when smoking, though.

re: #190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You know what Fiat stands for, right?

Fix It Again, Tony!

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the life-threatening playground equipment--jungle gyms and merry-go-rounds--on hard asphalt. Yet somehow my elementary school in no way resembled the railroad depot full of wounded in Gone With the Wind.

Nowadays, little Biff and Muffy must have safe, static plastic constructions on a deep bed of rubber. How boring. No wonder they take to early experimentation with sex and drugs.

And Dodge-ball! My all time favorite playground game....can't do that any more.

re: #196 mitthrawnurdo

I thought aliens built the pyramids.

/confused.

It wasn't the Jews.

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

BTW Drill here, drill now, pay less!
/Also

re: #171 Killgore Trout

When conservatives flip out.....
Police: Accused shooter hated liberals, expected to be killed

What, you missed Falling Down?

Cannot vouch for this, but sounds too believable to me, so FWIW:

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass
along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to 'The War Zone'. I wanted to share with you what happened.

He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the
area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As hefinished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the
Dallas Cowboy Cheer leaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States . I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to
know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

re: #190 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You know what Fiat stands for, right?

Fix It Again Tony.

An old Italian amn that I used to know told me that the reason Fiat's were so unreliable is because it gave Italian men a reason not to spend time with their Italian wives.

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the life-threatening playground equipment--jungle gyms and merry-go-rounds--on hard asphalt. Yet somehow my elementary school in no way resembled the railroad depot full of wounded in Gone With the Wind.

Nowadays, little Biff and Muffy must have safe, static plastic constructions on a deep bed of rubber. How boring. No wonder they take to early experimentation with sex and drugs.

The merry go-round- I loved that- you or your friends sit on it and one of you pushes it faster and faster and jumps on- if you didn't hold on tight- uh, oh. I went to school when girls had to wear dresses or skirts- I spent a lot of years with scabby knees from scraping myself coming off the merry go round or the swings. I also fell from the jungle gym but didn't die.

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey
Oh yeah. We had a merry go 'round that'd do about mach 5. That'd be banned quicker'n shit now. Dodge ball, Red Rover, tag, smear the
Q---r. All kinds of violent, dangerous, FUN stuff.

re: #99 uptight

There's obvious ironies here - firstly, any Christian ministry trying to operate in Saudis would be expelled executed so fast their heads would spin roll.

Fixed.

re: #90 yma o hyd

Might be okay as long as he ain't offering Baby Turtle Soup.

re: #191 debutaunt

Has the phrase, "Snap out of it!", gone by the wayside?

Yes.
Its hectoring, insensitive, hurtful and damaging to all precious souls. Today, everybody is a precious soul.
Stiff upper lip is sooo last century ...

re: #201 Ford_Prefect

I don't know about you guys, but I never wore a helmet while riding my bicycle either.

They didn't exist that I know of in the 5o's and 6o's

re: #214 pingjockey

Oh yeah. We had a merry go 'round that'd do about mach 5. That'd be banned quicker'n shit now. Dodge ball, Red Rover, tag, smear the
Q---r. All kinds of violent, dangerous, FUN stuff.

Gawd! How can they live without dodgeball?

re: #211 itellu3times
It was retracted. The Capt had 2nd hand info. Do a lgf search should be a linky somewhere.

re: #217 yma o hyd

Yes.
Its hectoring, insensitive, hurtful and damaging to all precious souls. Today, everybody is a precious soul.
Stiff upper lip is sooo last century ...

...is give peace a chance...

re: #212 Ford_Prefect

Fix It Again Tony.

An
old Italian amn that I used to know told me that the reason Fiat's were
so unreliable is because it gave Italian men a reason not to spend time
with their Italian wives.

By that reasoning German cars are so well engineered so the men can spend more time with their German wives?

Never wore a bicycle helmet, and didn't wear a seatbelt until I was in college.

Now it feels weird without one, like riding a roller coaster with the bar up.

re: #211 itellu3times

There is currently a big to-do about that. Here are several news stories:

[Link: news.google.com...]

re: #218 madisonsfriend
I don't think so. Maybe for Olympic bicyclists, but not for the public, IIRC.

re: #197 pingjockey

Yuck. Got down to getting the radiator out and there are these 2 doodads holding on 2 hoses. Well, they're either prees fit or you need some damn special sooper sekret tool to get them off! Like I said assholes. Plus all the mounting bolts are metric!

Don't even get me started on metric tools.

I also had a Dodge Intrepid that required a special tool to get one of the spark plugs out. That pissed me off.

re: #223 Silhouette

Never wore a bicycle helmet, and didn't wear a seatbelt until I was in college.

Now it feels weird without one, like riding a roller coaster with the bar up.

So easy to feel dangerous now. I think I will eat a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.

I'm surprised they haven't banned football as evil land-grabbing.

re: #223 Silhouette

Never wore a bicycle helmet, and didn't wear a seatbelt until I was in college.

Now it feels weird without one, like riding a roller coaster with the bar up.

How'd we all grow up semi-normal and kinda healthy?

re: #211 itellu3times

Cannot vouch for this, but sounds too believable to me, so FWIW:

That Cpt. is out of line.
A report relished by many, no doubt, but outside the limits of commission.

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

By that reasoning German cars are so well engineered so the men can spend more time with their German wives?

Or the Italian wives who have been left to fend for themselves.

re: #200 Silhouette

The shooter mentioned to the police that he hated gays and liberals, and mentioned to his neighbor extreme animosity towards Christians.

Even given that Unitarians don't fall under the umbrella of Christianity, I find it strange that every headline in the land mentions that two of his three dislikes, but leaves out the third.

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

re: #227 madisonsfriend

So easy to feel dangerous now. I think I will eat a peanut butter sandwich on white bread.

Eat an apple with it without washing it off real well.

re: #200 Silhouette

Or that CO church shooting, all the press on the former police office that stopped it and that she'd be terminated from her police force.

re: #226 Ford_Prefect
That really pisses me off when they do that. There is no damn reason for a special tool to remove spark plugs. Asshats.

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

Unitarians aren't Christians?

re: #169 pingjockey

Can I add to the list? Hopped slow moving freights at the age of twelve. Went swimming w/o a life guard and drove cars w/o seatbelts - at speeds off the speedometer...

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

I'd go out on a limb and bet he was unaffiliated?

re: #220 pingjockey

It was retracted. The Capt had 2nd hand info. Do a lgf search should be a linky somewhere.

The letter is fake but (probably) accurate!

re: #233 Silhouette

Eat an apple with it without washing it off real well.

We are living dangerously. I have been known to eat a piece of fruit without washing it on the way home from the market.

re: #238 Cap'n DOC

Can I add to the list? Hopped slow moving freights at the age of twelve. Went swimming w/o a life guard and drove cars w/o seatbelts - at speeds off the speedometer...

I still swim w/o a lifeguard but I never hopped a train.

This was in my IN box this morning.

Hello everyone,
As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone." I wanted to share with you what happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram. As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service. So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country. If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,

CPT Jeffrey S. Porter
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

re: #237 madisonsfriend

Unitarians aren't Christians?

Unitarians are, well, "believers".
As far as I can tell.
They throw great parties.

re: #238 Cap'n DOC
The more the merrier. Made a river raft out of a piece of plywood and two inner tubes. No lifejackets/helmets. Did have wore out keds for river shoes!

re: #222 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

By that reasoning German cars are so well engineered so the men can spend more time with their German wives?

No, that's what beer is for. Drink enough and the wives start to look good.

re: #220 pingjockey

It was retracted. The Capt had 2nd hand info. Do a lgf search should be a linky somewhere.

re: #224 Catttt

Thanks guys.

Apparently on the whole thing, the truth is still out there somewhere.

gotta go- see you later unless the unwashed fruit and peanut butter kill me.

re: #236 pingjockey

That really pisses me off when they do that. There is no damn reason for a special tool to remove spark plugs. Asshats.

Don't forget special tools to remove lug nuts.....

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

I know how much fun it is to assume, but most conservative Christians wouldn't have had this to say:

Karen Massey, who lived two houses from Adkisson's home, told the Knoxville News Sentinel of a lengthy conversation she had with Adkisson a couple years ago after she told him her daughter had just graduated from Johnson Bible College. She said she ended up having to explain to him that she was a Christian.

"He almost turned angry," she told the newspaper. "He seemed to get angry at that. He said that everything in the Bible contradicts itself if you read it."

Massey said Adkisson talked frequently about his parents, who "made him go to church all his life. ... He acted like he was forced to do that."

from this link at Fox News

re: #244 Capitalist Tool

Unitarians are, well, "believers".
As far as I can tell.
They throw great parties.

I've been told, by a Unitarian, that Unitarianism is religion without a need for God.

re: #249 jcm
Is that one of Bagdad Jims' constitituents?

Not any sort of Milosivek fan here, but we see what happens when we "help" wahabbists.

We were the only hope for them to eradicate the ethnic cleansing that the Serbian nationalists brought down on them.

They repaid us with 9/11.

re: #249 jcm

Don't forget special tools to remove lug nuts.....

Oh, did you ever stir up a bad memory of being stranded in July swelter with a blown tire in a friend's car with the Ford hubcap tool back home on her front porch.

re: #237 madisonsfriend

Unitarians aren't Christians?

You pretty much have to ask them...one at a time.

Technically, it's the same with any Christian, but Unitarian Universalists will take just about any belief under the umbrella.

re: #251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've been told, by a Unitarian, that Unitarianism is religion without a need for God.

Worship a unit? Cool.

re: #237 madisonsfriend,

The way I understand it, Unitarians kinda-sorta believe in everything, but in a non-sectarian, non-judgemental fashion. It's Church for Leftists who can't quite make the jump to atheism. So it'd be a stretch to call it "Christian".

Ot Blackfive has info on the Bagram to-do.

Check this out: The Army Times and AP Use False Photo to Denounce "Obama Blew off the troops" email

I've seen several other uses of pics of Barry from Kuwait being passed off as Bagram pics - see my link above.

re: #194 buzzsawmonkey

Don't forget the life-threatening playground equipment--jungle gyms and merry-go-rounds--on hard asphalt. Yet somehow my elementary school in no way resembled the railroad depot full of wounded in Gone With the Wind.
....

And when you got tired of the playground you could always go home and whip something up with your chemistry set....

re: #253 buzzsawmonkey

That's no way to talk about your mechanic.

Back then I was my mechanic. The cars today are just too complicated though.

re: #260 CIA Reject

And when you got tired of the playground you could always go home and whip something up with your chemistry set....

My granddad had a chemistry set with friggin' uranium in it!

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Did he actually hate Christians or just the liberal ones? I assume from his hatred of homosexuals he was a conservative Christian himself. Any clue which religion he belongs to?

Your assumption would be wrong, but would be exactly the one the media wanted you to make.

His Christian neighbor was explaining to him that her daughter had just graduated from a Christian college, and he didn't understand.

She said she ended up having to explain to him that she was a Christian.

"He almost turned angry," she told the newspaper. "He seemed to get angry at that. He said that everything in the Bible contradicts itself if you read it."

He also expressed anger at his parents for taking him to church as a child.

This was NOT a church-loving Christian.

He reminds me of the "Christian" Eric Rudolph that the media created, who actually said "I really prefer Nietzsche to the Bible."

re: #242 madisonsfriend

My parents let me stay with a friend at a cabin over a hundred miles from home - for days at a time - just the two of us. Neither of us were old enough to have a driver's license, but who needs one with a railroad running slow-moving freight to the Continental Divide?

re: #261 Ford_Prefect

Back then I was my mechanic. The cars today are just too complicated though.

What's so compicated? You just pick up the phone and call the service center?

GM had some memorable models in the late '70s, early '80s which needed the engine jacked- up to change plugs.
Then there was the modular Pontiac Fiero...

And they wonder why Toyota is kicking their cans.