I see the light!
Wait!
What's that noise?

And here I thought it was going to be an SSH tunnel.

I bet it's painted on the side of a cliff.

Any second now, a 2-ton truck will come out and flatten Wile E. Coyote.

Lizard meet up in SF this Friday 5pm. Email me for details. I'm buying the first 20 beers. That's like, 2 Lizards, right there.

an? a?

My guess: Bikeway below the main traffic paths of a bridge. But where?

re: #4 rawmuse

SF? South Florida? Sea Friends? Sad Frog?

Well if you belive the hype there will no light at the onter end

re: #7 DoubleU

SF? South Florida? Sea Friends? Sad Frog?

San Francisco.

re: #7 DoubleU

SF? South Florida? Sea Friends? Sad Frog?

South Filly.

Neato.

#6 No where

re: #12 mighty mouse

#6 No where

I no wear!

I just hope enough people become enlightened before election day so there will be light at the end of the tunnel that we are looking through now. It looks kinda dark from here.

I know that chick!

re: #13 VegasRick

I no wear!

Waay too much information!

I hope you don't own stock in the 'Palestinian Authority'.

Top PA officials to Post: 'PA on the brink of bankruptcy'

The Palestinian Authority is facing a severe financial crisis due to the failure of donor countries to fulfill their pledges to fund the Palestinians, PA officials in Ramallah said Monday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

It looks like a time machine.

There's another cyclist in the foreground, mostly in shadow toward the left.

re: #17 Opinionated

I hope you don't own stock in the 'Palestinian Authority'.

Top PA officials to Post: 'PA on the brink of bankruptcy'

The Palestinian Authority is facing a severe financial crisis due to the failure of donor countries to fulfill their pledges to fund the Palestinians, PA officials in Ramallah said Monday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Tooo baaaddd.

re: #17 Opinionated

I hope you don't own stock in the 'Palestinian Authority'.

Top PA officials to Post: 'PA on the brink of bankruptcy'

The Palestinian Authority is facing a severe financial crisis due to the failure of donor countries to fulfill their pledges to fund the Palestinians, PA officials in Ramallah said Monday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

This is why they will never declare Palestine to be an independent state.

/where's the teat?

#14 code red,
This is so true, I beleive that people will wake up because of sites like this and talk radio, the MSM has lost strangle hold, remember it is always darkest before the storm

Steve Forbes on VP wildcards (scrolldown)
McCain: Lieberman or Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis)- a tax, social security, and medicare reformer
Obama: Colin Powell

Made me think, what if Obama picked Lieberman? Would Joe accept?

Carol Anne-stay away from the light!

re: #15 Racer X

I know that chick!

Know her? She's my supermodel girlfriend; yeah, that's the ticket.

re: #17 Opinionated

The Palestinian Authority is facing a severe financial crisis due to the failure of donor countries to fulfill their pledges to fund the Palestinians, PA officials in Ramallah said Monday.

Tip:
If you rely on others for your very existence, you may want to use the foreign aid for something other than munitions to kill Jews.

Important:

McCain leads Obama 49% to 45% in new USA Today/ Gallup poll.

WTF? Didn't a Gallup poll posted just yesterday put Obama 9 points ahead?
This one was limited to likely voters while yesterday's covered all registered voters.

Yesterday's poll probably reflects Obama's very strong support among the young and other groups that typically do not turn out in large numbers.

Btw, I posted this in spin-off links but could not bring up a comment form for it, just got a 400 page.

Riding a bike in a skirt. Dangerous

#17 Opinionated
I hope you don't own stock in the 'Palestinian Authority'.

Top PA officials to Post: 'PA on the brink of bankruptcy'

The Palestinian Authority is facing a severe financial crisis due to the failure of donor countries to fulfill their pledges to fund the Palestinians, PA officials in Ramallah said Monday.

[Link: [Link: www.jpost.com...]...]

Ok is this the first time for them?

re: #25 Pshawalaw

Well, I don't "know" her in the biblical sense, if thats what you mean.

Raindrops

I'd much rather be taking pictures of what Charles was...

re: #28 simonml

Riding a bike in a skirt. Dangerous

Yet sexy.

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Important:

McCain leads Obama 49% to 45% in new USA Today/ Gallup poll.

WTF? Didn't a Gallup poll posted just yesterday put Obama 9 points ahead?
This one was limited to likely voters while yesterday's covered all registered voters.

Yesterday's poll probably reflects Obama's very strong support among the young and other groups that typically do not turn out in large numbers.

Btw, I posted this in spin-off links but could not bring up a comment form for it, just got a 400 page.

All the more reason for all conservatives to show up and vote this November

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

This poll cites "likely voters", a very different animal from from all voters. Better, for us too.

re: #28 simonml

Riding a bike in a skirt. Dangerous

You should visit Holland. Ladies there bicycle in their Sunday best.

It's a bit odd, really.

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

Important:

McCain leads Obama 49% to 45% in new USA Today/ Gallup poll.

WTF? Didn't a Gallup poll posted just yesterday put Obama 9 points ahead?
This one was limited to likely voters while yesterday's covered all registered voters.

Yesterday's poll probably reflects Obama's very strong support among the young and other groups that typically do not turn out in large numbers.

Btw, I posted this in spin-off links but could not bring up a comment form for it, just got a 400 page.

USA/Gallup and Gallup polls use the same information (polling data) but they have different assumptions as to the breakout of the public on election day. You'll notice that of 900 people in USA/Gallup poll, about 150 were excluded. They didn't meet the criteria of that particular poll, but they may have met the criteria of the Gallup poll. Which I could say more, but I don't have premium access so I don't know the internals.

re: #28 simonml

Riding a bike in a skirt. Dangerous

It looks like a tunnel under a pier, probably coming from the beach.

You see, that's exactly how it's done.
Those stars aren't really 6,000 light years away, the lights just through holes in the curtain.

re: #23 Jim in Virginia

Steve Forbes on VP wildcards (scrolldown)
McCain: Lieberman or Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis)- a tax, social security, and medicare reformer
Obama: Colin Powell

Made me think, what if Obama picked Lieberman? Would Joe accept?

NOPE!

re: #34 Pshawalaw

This poll cites "likely voters", a very different animal from from all voters. Better, for us too.

Semantic point:

"All voters" is a subset of "likely voters," which is a subset of "registered voters," which is a subset of "Chicago voters."

Is that the hole thing, or is there more?

/now I'm leaving for the night

re: #17 Opinionated

Well, they've been morally and ethically bankrupt from their out of wedlock birthing at the hands of Arafat...

re: #35 Cognito

You should visit Holland. Ladies there bicycle in their Sunday best.

It's a bit odd, really.

In some cities, that may just be her Sunday best.

re: #30 Racer X

I was just making a play on that SNL skit, "yeah, that's the ticket" was Jon Lovitz tag line after her listed his girlfriends who were all famous beauties.

re: #23 Jim in Virginia

Steve Forbes on VP wildcards (scrolldown)
McCain: Lieberman or Rep. Paul Ryan (Wis)- a tax, social security, and medicare reformer
Obama: Colin Powell

Made me think, what if Obama picked Lieberman? Would Joe accept?

Probably not, but moonbat heads would be asplodin' all over.

re: #21 Racer X

As much as Bush and Rice have invested, a safe prediction is another US Federal bailout. This time of terrorist scum.

Your tax dollars at work.

Scored an Apple IIgs today at a thrift store.
CPU: $8.00
1-5.25" external drive: $6.00
Hooked it up to our flat screen TV. Sweetness!
Also grabbed a Commodore 64 disk drive for $8.00 with a little surprise, a game was left inside! Haven't tested it yet since I don't know Commodores very well and haven't the hardware to test it. But it turns on and the light turns green with the game in. So that made me happy.

IMPORTANT NOTICE...
'Due to recent budget cuts, and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
We apologize for the inconvenience.'

re: #40 victor_yugo

Semantic point:

"All voters" is a subset of "likely voters," which is a subset of "registered dead voters," which is a subset of "Chicago voters."

Fixed

re: #35 Cognito

You should visit Holland. Ladies there bicycle in their Sunday best.

It's a bit odd, really.

My daughter lived in Holland for awhile. They had bikes (I think painted yellow) that anyone could use - find one, use it. Kinda neat.

Charles....technical question. In ones user account when you click on their icon it shows number of posts and also number of links posted. In mine it shows I have never posted a link. But I have. Not a lot but occasionally I include a link in one of my thread posts. Am I missing something. How does this work?

re: #44 Pshawalaw

Got it.

;-)

re: #48 Da_Beerfreak

IMPORTANT NOTICE...
'Due to recent budget cuts, and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
We apologize for the inconvenience.'

It wasn't eco friendly either.

re: #48 Da_Beerfreak

IMPORTANT NOTICE...
'Due to recent budget cuts, and the rising cost of electricity, gas and oil the light at the end of the tunnel has been turned off.
We apologize for the inconvenience.'

"The light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming the other way."

re: #40 victor_yugo

Semantic point:

"All voters" is a subset of "likely voters," which is a subset of "registered voters," which is a subset of "Chicago voters."

Actually, "likely voters is a subset of "all voters".

re: #36 hermeneutics

No internals were provided in yesterday's poll claiming Obama was 9 points up. It was among registered voters.

This poll is for likely voters.

Different pool - and more likely to vote than just those who have the ability to vote.

Consider the 9 points an outlier especially in relation to what Rasmussen reported, and if there was a bounce from Obama's European trip, it was the dead cat variety.

re: #48 Da_Beerfreak

LOL.

re: #17 Opinionated

I hope you don't own stock in the 'Palestinian Authority'.

Top PA officials to Post: 'PA on the brink of bankruptcy'

The Palestinian Authority is facing a severe financial crisis due to the failure of donor countries to fulfill their pledges to fund the Palestinians, PA officials in Ramallah said Monday.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Palestinian graft and corruption may be limitless, but funds clearly are not.

re: #51 Big Steve

The links referred to are for the spinoffs. Not the links within your individual posts.

If they were links within comments, I think I could break the server all by my lonesome.

re: #55 Pshawalaw

Actually, "likely voters is a subset of "all voters".

Nope. "All voters" means everyone who actually votes, not merely those who will probably vote.

If you're registered, but you don't vote, you're not a voter.

re: #50 jamgarr

My daughter lived in Holland for awhile. They had bikes (I think painted yellow) that anyone could use - find one, use it. Kinda neat.

Do they find that bikes end up in clusters with some areas wheel-less?

I'll always remember that tunnel as the being in Fletch. Love it.

Nice to see a bike thread after a long absence.

Miss the Pacific Palisades pics but I understand.

re: #42 lawhawk

Well, they've been morally and ethically bankrupt from their out of wedlock birthing at the hands of Arafat...

On the subject of Arafat and what he birthed, great editorial in the Jerusalem Post on how the World cheered when Arafat explained why terrorism is legitimate.

And now terror victims are bleeding all over the World. In the name of Allah.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

re: #58 Spiny Norman

Palestinian graft and corruption may be limitless, but funds clearly are not.

They have a champagne F-14 belly and a beer rocks-and-pebbles budget.

re: #59 lawhawk

Forgive my ignorance but what is a spin-off link then and how does it differ?

re: #23 Jim in Virginia

i thought i had sen obama strong arm leiberman on the senate floor for backing mcCain

Both USA Today and Gallup use identical polling data. The voter turnout models differ -- and yes, too, the likely/registered voter distinction.

But the pool, I believe, was the same, Lawhawk. Same pool -- different criteria.

re: #58 Spiny Norman

Actually, it seems the "donor" countries don't put their money where their anti Israel mouth is at.

re: #64 Opinionated

11,536 since 9/11

seen*

re: #60 victor_yugo

Hmmm, point taken.

re: #55 Pshawalaw

Actually, "likely voters is a subset of "all voters".

"Likely voters" is a subset of "registered voters" which is a subset of "all voters" (which I take to mean "everyone who is eligible to vote, registered or not").

re: #50 jamgarr

My daughter lived in Holland for awhile. They had bikes (I think painted yellow) that anyone could use - find one, use it. Kinda neat.

Then Mayor Norm Coleman tried that in St. Paul a number of years ago. Within a couple weeks, all bikes were gone. They found them piled up at the bottom of a river bluff on the edge of town, broken up beyond use.

It was a critical mass of bikes.

anyone else shudder when they imagine Mr. Obamas' cabinet ?

re: #71 buzzsawmonkey

And they will show Fiddler.

Looks like the tunnel under the Santa Monica Pier to me

re: #49 Mars Needs Neocons

"Fixed" is also a good way to describe any Chicago vote!

re: #79 Taqyia2Me

"Fixed" is also a good way to describe any Chicago vote!

lol

re: #66 Big Steve

If you got to the top of the posts, you'll note a link for spinoff links. You can post stuff in relation to the post at hand, or anything else under the sun.

At the top of the blog, there are links to pull up the top spinoffs and breakdowns of same by subtopic.

re: #67 willowone
I don't expect an O- Joe ticket, but it seems the only thing Obama hasn't it changed his mind on is that he still would not support the surge.

re: #76 willowone

anyone else shudder when they imagine Mr. Obamas' cabinet ?

Not nearly as much as when I imagine his appellate nominees.

re: #74 Spiny Norman

"Likely voters" is a subset of "registered voters" which is a subset of "all voters" (which I take to mean "everyone who is eligible to vote, registered or not").

If you're registered to vote, but you don't, then you're not a voter.

re: #54 victor_yugo

"The light at the end of the tunnel is a train coming the other way."

You can believe me when I say I've run into that one before!
// {;-)™

Downthread died. How long before the sleepers and trolls start downdinging everything?

Good evening, fellow lizards!
How's everyone tonight?

re: #28 simonml

Riding a bike in a skirt. Dangerous

The Amish ladies around this area do it all the time.

re: #74 Spiny Norman

"Likely voters" is a subset of "registered voters" which is a subset of "all voters" (which I take to mean "everyone who is eligible to vote, registered or not").

Yes. These are sequential "screens." More importantly, though, is how they decide the composition of 2008 voters. This, too, functions as a screen. If they decide, pre-poll, that 50 percent of 2008 voters will be Democrats, and weigh the poll accordingly, then the polling results will be radically different than a 43 D percentage, for example.

I think this explains some of the polling volatility this year.

re: #61 Capitalist Tool

Do they find that bikes end up in clusters with some areas wheel-less?

Don't know. I'm sure it's an imperfect system.

My Siamese cat just hissed at a Thai dragon statue. Now he's staring at me. Time to cut off the catnip.

re: #76 willowone

anyone else shudder when they imagine Mr. Obamas' cabinet ?

Why are you trying to hurt me?

re: #76 willowone

Just remember that feeling when someone tells you that they're not going to vote because it wont make a difference or that there's no difference between the parties...

re: #22 mighty mouse

The information people need to make an informed decision is out there if people would only look. I hope you're right because I am deeply troubled about the future of our country and the freedom of us all.

re: #70 victor_yugo

11,536 since 9/11

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

More to come.

re: #82 Jim in Virginia

I don't expect an O- Joe ticket, but it seems the only thing Obama hasn't it changed his mind on is that he still would not support the surge.

I don't see Joe hitching a ride, if O's policies would weaken Israel's national security.

re: #91 Catttt

My Siamese cat just hissed at a Thai dragon statue. Now he's staring at me. Time to cut off the catnip.

Yeah, if he won't share...

re: #92 experiencedtraveller

very sorry, haha. i now sleep with one eye open , bought a gunsand am starting a bombshelter/

re: #81 lawhawk

If you got to the top of the posts, you'll note a link for spinoff links. You can post stuff in relation to the post at hand, or anything else under the sun.

At the top of the blog, there are links to pull up the top spinoffs and breakdowns of same by subtopic.

I am not duly educated, and a thrill ran up my leg. Thanks

re: #84 victor_yugo

If you're registered to vote, but you don't, then you're not a voter.

Not to beat this to death, but isn't it possible for the pool of likely voters to be greater than the number who actually vote? And, isn't it also possible that they are not composed of the same members too (you could have a voter who was not included in those considered to be likely to vote)?

re: #91 Catttt

My Siamese cat just hissed at a Thai dragon statue. Now he's staring at me. Time to cut off the catnip.

Or contact an exorcist.

re: #93 lawhawk

re: #84 victor_yugo

If you're registered to vote, but you don't, then you're not a voter.

In the real world, perhaps, but for the purposes of polling, yes you are a "voter".

"Likely voters" are "registered voters" who actually voted in at least the last two prior elections and plan to vote in this one, IIRC.

Behold! The Lord Obamamessiah's inner goodness shines so bright so you can't see him anymore. Go towards that light fellow Americans.

re: #91 Catttt

My Siamese cat just hissed at a Thai dragon statue. Now he's staring at me. Time to cut off the catnip.

The Thai dragon statue is staring at you? You might need to knock off more than just the catnip.

re: #74 Spiny Norman

all voters would be the smallest group, likely voters a somewhat bigger group all register voters the largest group.

real votes = all voters
likely voters those who want to vote but in some cases can't due to things out side of there control for example one year i was in intensive care and could not vote
registered voters are all who are registered including those who have no desire to vote but could
all citizens of the united states of voting age would be the largest possible group because it would include those who were not registered.
in chicago this group might include dead people who may or mayn't have voted.

correct LawHawk, i have explained to the children old enough to vote if they do not i will never help pay their mortgage again as i wont have any monyey left anyway

Re the polls- conventional wisdom seems to be that this year young voters will finally turn out in the same proportion as over 30's. And Barry will win.
It hasn't happened in forty years. Why in 2008?

re: #106 VegasRick

Feed it some Paw Thai.

re: #101 Pshawalaw

Not to beat this to death, but isn't it possible for the pool of likely voters to be greater than the number who actually vote? And, isn't it also possible that they are not composed of the same members too (you could have a voter who was not included in those considered to be likely to vote)?

Yes, the pool of likely voters could be larger or smaller. Who knows? The screen for likely voters is a guestimate. So are the answers that so-called likely voters give to pollsters. Thus, the MOE (which often should be larger IMHO).

re: #97 taxfreekiller

One of the things the msm has done evil of late is the coverage on
Ramos and Compeans trial and the roll the Mexican citizen who was
hauling drugs across the border (aka a drug mule), when our border defenders caught him in the act, ( he later was arrested and released on another drug run) , this while in possession of a "gold border pass",
sort of msm enabling the illegal drugs to over come America, just so
they can use the drugs cheaper, ( most of the press are drunks or drug freaks).

like that, not only are they no good liars , they assist drug dealers and coyote wage slave smugglers

Givin' the press corpse a pass, I see.
/

re: #97 taxfreekiller

( most of the press are drunks or drug freaks).

Hey, I was a drunk and an addict, and I had nothing to do with MSM journalism.
Watch who you insult around here.

/21 years clean

re: #104 Spiny Norman

Polls of "likely voters" tend to be a more accurate predictor of an outcome than those of "registered voters" or "all voters" because, well... those people are much more likely to actually vote in the election.

re: #109 Jim in Virginia

Re the polls- conventional wisdom seems to be that this year young voters will finally turn out in the same proportion as over 30's. And Barry will win.
It hasn't happened in forty years. Why in 2008?

It won't happen. The apathy is far too strong.

Seattle was the Queen City, to go with King County.
With the 707 became the Jet City.
Then became the Emerald City, in a naming contest.

Now it's just Moonbat City.

20-cent Seattle bag fee approved

Seattle on Monday became one of the few major American cities to impose a fee on the use of disposable bags.

Legislation approved by the City Council will launch a 90-day campaign to educate residents and shoppers before a 20-cent per bag fee goes into effect on Jan. 1.

No more shopping in Seattle for me.

During Clowncil testimony one women was literally in tears over what plastic bags do to the environment.

re: #113 IslandLibertarian

( most of the press are drunks or drug freaks).

Hey, I was a drunk and an addict, and I had nothing to do with MSM journalism.
Watch who you insult around here.

/21 years clean

Good for U, but don't be too hard on your former self... sometimes we just gotta learn the hard way.

re: #116 jcm

Seattle was the Queen City, to go with King County.
With the 707 became the Jet City.
Then became the Emerald City, in a naming contest.

Now it's just Moonbat City.

20-cent Seattle bag fee approved

No more shopping in Seattle for me.

During Clowncil testimony one women was literally in tears over what plastic bags do to the environment.

Ridiculous.

Okee, dokee....

*goes back out*
*comes back in*

Hail, lizardia!

re: #107 yochanan

all voters would be the smallest group, likely voters a somewhat bigger group all register voters the largest group.

No, "all voters" is the largest group (because it counts all eligible citizens), "registered voters" is next and "likely voters" the smallest group.

re: #119 irish rose

Okee, dokee....

*goes back out*
*comes back in*

Hail, lizardia!

Hail, yes!

re: #116 jcm

20 cents each? Does anyone here know an estimate on the number of plastic bags used each day in a supermarket? It's gotta be in the thousands.

I wonder what they will do with all that extra cash?

re: #104 Spiny Norman

In the real world, perhaps, but for the purposes of polling, yes you are a "voter".

Yet another reason to ignore the polls.

re: #101 Pshawalaw

Not to beat this to death, but isn't it possible for the pool of likely voters to be greater than the number who actually vote?

Yes, actually, that's what I said.

And, isn't it also possible that they are not composed of the same members too (you could have a voter who was not included in those considered to be likely to vote)?

Yes, someone who is registered, says he's unlikely to vote, but changes his mind the morning of election day.

re: #118 hermeneutics

her shit has more effect on the environment maybe we can con vice her to stop shitting.

re: #119 irish rose

Hi Irish! Hope you are well. I saw Liam last week. He is still buying bars, the empire grows.

re: #119 irish rose

hail-o : P

re: #120 Spiny Norman

No, "all voters" is the largest group (because it counts all eligible citizens), "registered voters" is next and "likely voters" the smallest group.

If "all voters" is a larger group than "registered voters" then we have a problem; voter fraud.

re: #116 jcm

The cause du jour. I got an email powerpoint last week on the evils of plastic bags. Give it a couple months, they'll move on to something else.

re: #124 yochanan

her shit has more effect on the environment maybe we can con vice her to stop shitting.

But then we'd all be constipated!

re: #120 Spiny Norman

No, "all voters" is the largest group (because it counts all eligible citizens), "registered voters" is next and "likely voters" the smallest group.

There is no group of "all voters" until the day after Election Day.

re: #117 Capitalist Tool

No regrets whatsoever. Well, maybe the time in Ensanada back in '70.......

re: #121 Bobibutu

Hail, yes!

re: #129 hermeneutics

But then we'd all be constipated!

No, just her.

re: #127 Pshawalaw

If "all voters" is a larger group than "registered voters" then we have a problem; voter fraud.

He meant "all adult American citizens" who could potentially register ... and perhaps vote.

All>Registered>Likely

you can know the total number of registered voters and after the election the total number of votes likely voters is a guess.

what is interesting is that with one exception obama poll numbers were higher than his vote totals and in some cases by a sig. number.

re: #133 victor_yugo

No, just her.

She is full of herself?

Has anyone seen this yet?
California Man's Computer Was Used To Send Bomb Threat In India

re: #132 Racer X

Hail, yes!

Ah the things we see and learn on LGF.

THX :-)

re: #116 jcm

Seattle was the Queen City, to go with King County.
With the 707 became the Jet City.
Then became the Emerald City, in a naming contest.

Now it's just Moonbat City.

20-cent Seattle bag fee approved

No more shopping in Seattle for me.

During Clowncil testimony one women was literally in tears over what plastic bags do to the environment.

It will become a sanitation issue in the future.

The paper and plastic bags are relatively clean. The reusable bags are. . . not.

Barack Obama's Stealth Socialism

Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism.

In the past, such rhetoric was just that — rhetoric. But Obama's positioning himself with alarming stealth to put that rhetoric into action on a scale not seen since the birth of the welfare state.

In his latest memoir he shares that he'd like to "recast" the welfare net that FDR and LBJ cast while rolling back what he derisively calls the "winner-take-all" market economy that Ronald Reagan reignited (with record gains in living standards for all).

Obama also talks about "restoring fairness to the economy," code for soaking the "rich" — a segment of society he fails to understand that includes mom-and-pop businesses filing individual tax returns.

It's clear from a close reading of his two books that he's a firm believer in class envy. He assumes the economy is a fixed pie, whereby the successful only get rich at the expense of the poor.

Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old.

Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as "investments" — "to make America more competitive," he says, or "that give us a fighting chance," whatever that means.

Among his proposed "investments":

• "Universal," "guaranteed" health care.

• "Free" college tuition.

• "Universal national service" (a la Havana).

• "Universal 401(k)s" (in which the government would match contributions made by "low- and moderate-income families").

• "Free" job training (even for criminals).

• "Wage insurance" (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels).

• "Free" child care and "universal" preschool.

• More subsidized public housing.

• A fatter earned income tax credit for "working poor."

• And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa.

His new New Deal also guarantees a "living wage," with a $10 minimum wage indexed to inflation; and "fair trade" and "fair labor practices," with breaks for "patriot employers" who cow-tow to unions, and sticks for "nonpatriot" companies that don't.

That's just for starters — first-term stuff.

/read the whole thing

D. Morris, on Fox, just said that the entire presidential race boils down to "women over 40."

Why?

re: #122 Racer X

20 cents each? Does anyone here know an estimate on the number of plastic bags used each day in a supermarket? It's gotta be in the thousands.

I wonder what they will do with all that extra cash?

Does a budget shortfall sound about right. Course they cut police and fire to show how desperate times are.

Why are New Yorkers depressed? The light at the end of the tunnel is New Jersey.

re: #10 VegasRick

South Filly.

Neat- O I'd go for that. Better yet -- how about the Dub C?

re: #141 hermeneutics

D. Morris, on Fox, just said that the entire presidential race boils down to "women over 40."

Why?

Because Dick is terrified of women.

re: #76 willowone

anyone else shudder when they imagine Mr. Obamas' cabinet ?

/the LLL is already working on it

re: #145 Charles

Because Dick is terrified of women.

I thought he liked them a wee bit too much?

re: #127 Pshawalaw

If "all voters" is a larger group than "registered voters" then we have a problem; voter fraud.

It's just pollster shorthand. Nothing sinister. If a member of the "all voters" group registers to vote before election day, he "graduates" to the "registered voter" category. If he then actually votes (and in the next election, too), he graduates to "likely voter", an elite group indeed.

I was polled by Field about ten years ago and that's how it was broken down, or I assume so by the questions they asked at the beginning:

1.) Are you a citizen?
2.) Are you registered to vote?
3.) Did you vote in the last election, and in the one before that?
4.) Do you plant on voting in the upcoming election?

re: #139 Syrah

It will become a sanitation issue in the future.

The paper and plastic bags are relatively clean. The reusable bags are. . . not.

IIRC plastic bags use significantly less energy in manufacturing, save trees and are stable in landfills and don't contaminate ground water.

Update - my Siamese cat swore at me a while, then went to bed, thank goodness. He's probably dreaming about attacking Thai dragons.

the donks want the price of oil to go up so that there will of the wisp energy policy might happen and it will be the poor and working people who will pay the most for the democrats disingenuous position on oil.

now if the donks were honest on there position on oil price they would lose in a landslide.

OT
Puppies!

re: #147 hermeneutics

I thought he liked them a wee bit too much?

Just their toes.

re: #119 irish rose

Okee, dokee....

*goes back out*
*comes back in*

Hail, lizardia!

Hey!

re: #137 Bobblehead

Has anyone seen this yet?
California Man's Computer Was Used To Send Bomb Threat In India

I have been reading about botnets this weekend.

Scary stuff.

re: #145 Charles

Because Dick is terrified of women.

Only in S.F.

Wow, the disco thread is over 1100 comments.

re: #145 Charles

Because Dick is terrified of women.

You do realize that "Dick is terrified of women" is a loaded statement, yes?

/:D

re: #118 hermeneutics
During Clowncil testimony one women was literally in tears over what plastic bags do to the environment.

Ridiculous.

I'm pretty sure that getting rid of plastic shopping bags is a good idea.
A few years ago I was in a remote area (only access was by boat) in east Java. And there were plastic shopping bags washing up on the beach there.
Also, plastic bags are a waste of oil. I got no problem with paper bags.
And this don't make me a tree-huggin'-global-warming-nut-root.
Plastic bags suck.
But breaking down at a council meeting over them is just plain lame.

*plan* not plant.

PIMF

(spellcheck betrayed me!)

I know where that tunnel is.

re: #148 Spiny Norman

Now it is coming into focus.

re: #152 Jim in Virginia

that looks like lunch in korean

and what is 'majic chicken' anyway?

re: #158 Catttt

You do realize that "Dick is terrified of women" is a loaded statement, yes?

/:D

Fanny is a little afraid as well.

re: #159 IslandLibertarian

At the risk of my rock ribbed conservative creds, I concur with you. Ms. Rawmuse and I have had canvas, reusable bags for decades. Yes, they get dirty, so we wash them. They don't break and they don't end up wind blown and in trees, power lines and cyclone fences.

re: #146 Killian Bundy

/the LLL is already working on it

Must be a mistake, Ramsey Clark is not on the SecState list

re: #158 Catttt

given that the dick in question worked against bush you might be right.

re: #151 yochanan

the donks want the price of oil to go up so that there will of the wisp energy policy might happen and it will be the poor and working people who will pay the most for the democrats disingenuous position on oil.

now if the donks were honest on there position on oil price they would lose in a landslide.

They wanted oil (and fuel) prices this high, and higher (to "encourage" conservation - gotta "save the planet" you know...). They just didn't want them to go up this fast and raise the ire of the voting public.

re: #149 jcm

IIRC plastic bags use significantly less energy in manufacturing, save trees and are stable in landfills and don't contaminate ground water.

The Eco-left is not concerned with such facts. To them, these kinds of initiatives are about the salvation of their soul. For them this is more about piety then about actually solving a problem.

This is the lost episode of Stargate SG1. Poor production values almost did it in.

re: #116 jcm

Seattle was the Queen City, to go with King County.
With the 707 became the Jet City.
Then became the Emerald City, in a naming contest.

Now it's just Moonbat City.

20-cent Seattle bag fee approved

No more shopping in Seattle for me.

During Clowncil testimony one women was literally in tears over what plastic bags do to the environment.

My experience is that baggers hate the reusible bags. I always feel like a goof showing up with a bundle of them.

Seriously, reducing plastic is a god thing.

The Great Garbage Patch.

It is roughly the size of Texas, containing approximately 3.5 million tons of trash. Shoes, toys, bags, pacifers, wrappers, toothbrushes, and bottles too numerous to count are only part of what can be found in this accidental dump floating midway between Hawaii and San Francisco.

rawmuse...if you're still here...how do I e-mail you?

re: #167 yochanan

given that the dick in question worked against bush you might be right.

"little dick durbin" is a weanie as well!

re: #165 rawmuse

At the risk of my rock ribbed conservative creds, I concur with you. Ms. Rawmuse and I have had canvas, reusable bags for decades. Yes, they get dirty, so we wash them. They don't break and they don't end up wind blown and in trees, power lines and cyclone fences.

I'm with you.
Ever had a paper or plastic bag break on you and dump your food all over the parking lot?

I decided to go with the canvas bags right after a jar of pickled beets exploded all over a brand new pair of white Reeboks.

re: #163 yochanan

that looks like lunch in korean

and what is 'majic chicken' anyway?

I think its something I saw on the Thai Food menu at lunch...

re: #171 pbird

i perfered to use paper the 'thank you' plastic bags are a pain in the azz.

re: #173 elevenbravo1969

Isn't my nic blue?

re: #163 yochanan

that looks like lunch in korean

and what is 'majic chicken' anyway?

Don't make me pull out the gato tacos recipe.

re: #171 pbird

My experience is that baggers hate the reusible bags. I always feel like a goof showing up with a bundle of them.

I don't feel like a goof - I use them. Its really not a big deal.

majic chicken = rat

re: #118 hermeneutics

Ridiculous.

Portland just started running after that bandwagon....

re: #165 rawmuse

At the risk of my rock ribbed conservative creds, I concur with you. Ms. Rawmuse and I have had canvas, reusable bags for decades. Yes, they get dirty, so we wash them. They don't break and they don't end up wind blown and in trees, power lines and cyclone fences.

That's quite reasonable and good stewardship.

I just don't want government mandating it.

It's worse in Seattle where there are real issues government should be dealing with, budget shortfalls, lack of public safety, transportation issues, infrastructure problems. Instead they are slapping a 20cent fee on grocery bags, which BTW is a highly regressive from of revenue.

re: #122 Racer X

It's going into their Solid Waste Fund. Small retailers under $1 million get to keep the entire fee (20 cents per bag); others get 5 cents per bag as administrative offset.

$1 million is being set aside for giving out bags to low income/elderly.

All this takes effect 1/1/2009.

re: #178 rawmuse

Yes...but clicking it takes me to your blog...no e-mail address or button there that I could find.

i am sure a white rat raised in a clean environment is safe to eat. but ghetto rabbits might not be though.

I wholeheartedly support women riding bikes in mini-skirts to help combat climate change! If it turns men on, more power to those ladies! More ladies need to take up cycling as it's the bicycle that liberated women to move out of town see more of the world (and more men, too!)

re: #76 willowone

anyone else shudder when they imagine Mr. Obamas' cabinet ?

Obama will pick a cabinet that look familiar to him.

There will be a typical White person.

A preacher that damns America.

Someone who wants to bomb the Pentagon.

Someone else who also wants to bomb the Pentagon in case the first one fails.

A shady real estate character.

Someone who is newly proud of America.

And Chuck Hagel.

The little basket on the front of the shopping cart - thats to hold my reusable hemp shopping bags.

re: #172 Racer X

Seriously, reducing plastic is a god thing.

No argument from me. This however is the wrong way to go about it.

WHO took that picture of me? And why would you want to look at it - I didn't even put on make-up . . . I was just trying to run some quick errands . . .

I am such a goof.

PIFW.

re: #147 hermeneutics

I thought he liked them a wee bit too much?

Dick Morris's issues with women come down to a mild inferiority complex. It's a masculinity thing.

re: #159 IslandLibertarian

They tacked the fee on paper bags too.

re: #94 code red 21

The people who are willing and able to dig up that information are few and far between -- my SWAG is no more than 10% of the voting population is politically informed. It's up to us to bring the other 90% up to speed on what President Obama means for the country (hint: nothing good.)

re: #172 Racer X

Without an aerial photo, I'm skeptical of that. If there were a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating in the pacific, you could see it from space.

Bike path under santa monica pier south to north?

re: #186 elevenbravo1969

Yes...but clicking it takes me to your blog...no e-mail address or button there that I could find.

Hmm. there used to be a way for one Lizard to email another, it involved a cryptic ritual of typing a sequence of characters backward. Anyone here know how that works?

re: #175 irish rose

I'm with you.
Ever had a paper or plastic bag break on you and dump your food all over the parking lot?

I decided to go with the canvas bags right after a jar of pickled beets exploded all over a brand new pair of white Reeboks.

I actually have two large canvas totes - got them in the laundry aisle at Wal-Mart. Much easier to carry inside than bunches of plastic bags that break your fingers.

re: #201 ploome hineni

i think it is personal with dick m. the clintons must have screwed him big time.

re: #172 Racer X

Seriously, reducing plastic is a god thing.

Naw, anyone can do it.

re: #202 reine.de.tout

I actually have two large canvas totes - got them in the laundry aisle at Wal-Mart. Much easier to carry inside than bunches of plastic bags that break your fingers.

Ditto that, I have six of them because I buy a lot of groceries. Much easier to carry up the stairs.

re: #197 Noam Sayin'

Without an aerial photo, I'm skeptical of that. If there were a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating in the pacific, you could see it from space.

This is a start. Although, the Flickr image is not available; the Google cache shows a thumbnail.

re: #165 rawmuse

At the risk of my rock ribbed conservative creds, I concur with you. Ms. Rawmuse and I have had canvas, reusable bags for decades. Yes, they get dirty, so we wash them. They don't break and they don't end up wind blown and in trees, power lines and cyclone fences.

But what do you use in the little garbage cans in the bedrooms and bathrooms as liner? and, if you do not have a compost heap (I don;t) what do you use to double bag garbage in the big bag to keep the critters (domestic and others) away? Or to pick up wayward dog poo? Or to clean up a thousand little things?

re: #194 victor_yugo

Dick Morris's issues with women come down to a mild inferiority complex. It's a masculinity thing.

I don't know much about Morris except that his eye-contact, even on tv, seemed ... untrustworthy. In short, he oozed sleaze.

a few days ago the local WHOLE EARTH store was shut done due to ORGANIC MOUSE SHIT it was funny if you ask me.

re: #209 yochanan

What's a "whole earth" store?

re: #197 Noam Sayin'

Without an aerial photo, I'm skeptical of that. If there were a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating in the pacific, you could see it from space.

I tend to believe it. Humans are pigs!

;-)

re: #209 yochanan

a few days ago the local WHOLE EARTH store was shut done due to ORGANIC MOUSE SHIT it was funny if you ask me.

I was at the whole earth foodstore in Scottsdale, today, and counted seven BMWs in a row. It takes wealth to be earthy.

re: #206 victor_yugo

flotsam and jibsom is not a new thing just what it is made of has changed

re: #208 hermeneutics

I don't know much about Morris except that his eye-contact, even on tv, seemed ... untrustworthy. In short, he oozed sleaze.

Maybe so, but Lee Rodgers and Melanie Morgan have him on the KSFO morning show once in a while, and his ability to call good and bad moves in campaigns is uncanny.

re: #211 Racer X

I tend to believe it. Humans Men are pigs!

;-)

Fixed.

(h/t: Tim Allen)

re: #172 Racer X

Seriously, reducing plastic is a god thing.

It is roughly the size of Texas, containing approximately 3.5 million tons of trash. Shoes, toys, bags, pacifers, wrappers, toothbrushes, and bottles too numerous to count are only part of what can be found in this accidental dump floating midway between Hawaii and San Francisco

Good, then let's also ban shoes, toys, pacifiers, wrappers, toothbrushes, bottles, and Texas.

Los Angeles (city) is also going commando (bagless). OK, I have a couple of reusable bags (sob, I was young, and didn't know any better). At Trader Joe's, use one and you enter a drawing for a $25 gift certificate. I've filled out two or three a week for a year now, and haven't won anything! Grrr.

re: #210 reine.de.tout

so called natural, organic, heath food super market

re: #204 markie

Naw, anyone can do it.

Duh-oh!

*Preview Is For Wimps

re: #197 Noam Sayin'

Without an aerial photo, I'm skeptical of that. If there were a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating in the pacific, you could see it from space.

from that far away, unless it was packed solid, it'd reflect light much like the surrounding ocean. Like gravel scattered on an asphalt parking lot seen from a mile away.

re: #216 itellu3times

Good, then let's also ban shoes, toys, pacifiers, wrappers, toothbrushes, bottles, and Texas.

What do you have against bottles?

re: #207 Crimsonfisted

I have a compost heap. And lots of bags that newspapers are delivered in, which are perfect, when inverted, to pick up poops.

re: #209 yochanan

a few days ago the local WHOLE EARTH store was shut done due to ORGANIC MOUSE SHIT it was funny if you ask me.

Whole Foods?

re: #217 yochanan

so called natural, organic, heath food super market

Oh. So, I guess they're not priced like Wal-Mart?

re: #214 victor_yugo

Maybe so, but Lee Rodgers and Melanie Morgan have him on the KSFO morning show once in a while, and his ability to call good and bad moves in campaigns is uncanny.

Perhaps that is why he was picked up by the Clintons who were, similarly, incredible campaigners. I rarely watch tv, but when I catch Fox News, I hope to see Karl Rove. His campaign analysis seems deep and honest. He's got that political nose.

Charles:
GD is still suffering from a bad case of verbal diarrhea, IC.

re: #216 itellu3times

Good, then let's also ban shoes, toys, pacifiers, wrappers, toothbrushes, bottles, and Texas.

They will be on the agenda soon enough.

Just give them a little time and enough rope . . .

re: #192 outsidephilly

WHO took that picture of me? And why would you want to look at it - I didn't even put on make-up . . . I was just trying to run some quick errands . . .

its the straightway through Kelly Drive . . . .

re: #222 itellu3times

them too

re: #216 itellu3times

At Trader Joe's, use one and you enter a drawing for a $25 gift certificate. I've filled out two or three a week for a year now, and haven't won anything! Grrr.

Haha! Me too. Oh well.

The plastic bags we do get end up being used as small trash can liners.

re: #229 Racer X

Haha! Me too. Oh well.

The plastic bags we do get end up being used as small trash can liners.

Yes, and now we will have to PURCHASE them instead.

re: #215 victor_yugo

Fixed.

(h/t: Tim Allen)

And thank heaven! I am not grouting the tub, plumbing, searching for the "funny smell" in the fridge to determine its former self and discard it, patrolling the house when there are noises, lifting and hauling heavy stuff, maintaining the car, or any of a thousand dirty jobs that fall on HIS shoulders. Without complaint.

So men, belch and fart to your heart's content in your own homes!

re: #229 Racer X

we use the small bags to hold cat droppings from the litter box and the rags i use to clean up my printing press.

re: #229 Racer XSame at my house, also work well for snow boot liners for the kids.

re: #221 rawmuse

I have a compost heap. And lots of bags that newspapers are delivered in, which are perfect, when inverted, to pick up poops.

If it weren't for snakes, well, I guess I really shouldn't use that for an excuse.

re: #229 Racer X

Yup. We reuse 'em here for that reason as well.

Some retailers have decided to give you a credit if you bring your own bags or reuse plastic bags.

Ikea charges you 5 cents per bag you use - passing on their costs per bag.

I prefer those options to the government mandate.

re: #204 markie

Naw, anyone can do it.

Then Thou art God.

I grok.

I looked and didn't see this as already posted... monkies & pigs?

Or how about a monkey/pig?

Some of the larger chain stores here recycle those bags. Bin at the entrance.

re: #233 ploome hineni

i think that a hooker provides a honest service which is more than i can say about congresscritters.

re: #231 Crimsonfisted

And thank heaven! I am not grouting the tub, plumbing, searching for the "funny smell" in the fridge to determine its former self and discard it, patrolling the house when there are noises, lifting and hauling heavy stuff, maintaining the car, or any of a thousand dirty jobs that fall on HIS shoulders. Without complaint.

So men, belch and fart to your heart's content in your own homes!

Good grief, I hate grouting tubs.

And it seems like everytime one needs it, I have to do them all...

Wow...Jesse Ventura is really insane. He's a Troofer, too. Might run for Prez in 2012.

Good grief. Hannity will let anyone on the show. LOL!

re: #143 grumpy old codger

HEY!wtf? lol always remember you gotta pay to get outta new jersey(tolls)

re: #145 Charles

Because Dick is terrified of women.

Some would say that D. Morris is a woman.

I like plastic bags. You throw them away. Don't have to worry
about washing them when juices get on them.

re: #229 Racer X

oohhh,trader joes....druid circles...diet ruiners mmmmmmmm

re: #236 lawhawk

Yup. We reuse 'em here for that reason as well.

Some retailers have decided to give you a credit if you bring your own bags or reuse plastic bags.

Ikea charges you 5 cents per bag you use - passing on their costs per bag.

I prefer those options to the government mandate.

You buy the bags regardless if you pay directly for it or not. If you don't pay a line item it's rolled into overhead, which is reflected in the price of what is sold.

re: #197 Noam Sayin'

Without an aerial photo, I'm skeptical of that. If there were a pile of garbage the size of Texas floating in the pacific, you could see it from space.

Why there are no pictures of the North Pacific trash gyre

re: #238 slokat

I looked and didn't see this as already posted... monkies & pigs?

Or how about a monkey/pig?

It was determined to be the love child of ManBearPig and Rosie.

re: #236 lawhawk

I prefer those options to the government mandate.

Agreed. Retailers can work this out - often to their advantage (gimmicks, discounts, etc.).

re: #233 ploome hineni

before or after he was boinging that prostitute?

There are good screws, and there are bad screws...

re: #240 yochanan

i think that a hooker provides a honest service which is more than i can say about congresscritters.

And if they live long enough to be old, even they will be respectable, whereas Congress...

re: #242 garycooper

he was a one term gov'r because as gov'r he sucked big time all talk got nothing done.

re: #206 victor_yugo

This is a start. Although, the Flickr image is not available; the Google cache shows a thumbnail.

Can't really tell what that is from the image.

And I have no doubt there is all manner of flotsam in our oceans. Always has been. In fact, I think there are a bunch of Nike shoes that have beenfloating around the Pacific for a number of years. I just don't think there's a pile as big as Texas.

...yet.

re: #238 slokat

Oh crap that thing is freaky!

re: #219 markie

from that far away, unless it was packed solid, it'd reflect light much like the surrounding ocean. Like gravel scattered on an asphalt parking lot seen from a mile away.

How do you know that?

re: #247 jcm

Hmmm...plastic bags allow me to carry more stuff into the apt.in one trip...paper bags make good book covers come the new school year.decisions,decisions....

re: #221 rawmuse

And lots of bags that newspapers are delivered in, which are perfect, when inverted, to pick up poops.

/here in Minnesota, we have these things called toilets

OK, so can the giant floating trash gyre be pushed to the Arctic, carefully enhanced, and used to save the poor polar bears? My floaties are plastic...

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re: #238 slokat

I looked and didn't see this as already posted... monkies & pigs?

Or how about a monkey/pig?

Holoprosencephaly

re: #200 rawmuse

Hmm. there used to be a way for one Lizard to email another, it involved a cryptic ritual of typing a sequence of characters backward. Anyone here know how that works?

First, take your blog out of your nic, put in your email addy, let people know that you have, and the lizard who wants it can then get it by clicking on it, and doing the backward thingy...then you can put your blog addy back in your nic. When you post, you can see the box to tick to put in your email addy automaotically, then on the next post, remove it and re-insert the blog addy under where it says 'website optional'..

I will put mine in, and then remove it.

Am I making any sense? ;)

re: #258 Killian Bundy

What is this strange and fantastic land of which you speak?

re: #260 OldLineTexan

OK, so can the giant floating trash gyre be pushed to the Arctic, carefully enhanced, and used to save the poor polar bears? My floaties are plastic...

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You have IMPLANTS?

*shudder*

*shudder*

.....

*shudder*

re: #262 ploome hineni

Eh, put a governor on it... /