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Olmert to Resign

Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 10:35:19 am PDT

Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has announced that he will not run for reelection, and plans to resign from office.

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert held a special press conference on Wednesday at 8 p.m. where he announced he will not run in the Kadima primary scheduled to take place in September.

Olmert said he would resign from office upon selection of a successor, and would allow his successor to attempt to form a coalition.

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1 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:36:28am

May Israel be better served by the next PM.

2 Maximu§  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:37:05am

Olmert to Resign

Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out.

3 thedopefishlives  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:37:48am

Now let's just hope the successor that is chosen is less of a bumbler than he was.

4 Dahveed  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:37:50am

Netanyahu for Prime Minister!

5 doppelganglander  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:37:55am

I'll bet we'll see a lot of happy Israeli lizards (Israelizards?) today.

6 red satellite  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:38:06am

Tzipi!

7 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:38:09am
Olmert said he would resign from office upon selection of a successor, and would allow his successor to attempt to form a coalition.

Selection? Do the Israeli people not get a say in this?

8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:38:42am

ULULULULULULULULU

Candy for everyone

9 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:38:58am

BIBI, MELECH ISRAEL! CHAI! CHAI! ViKAYAM!

10 LionFromzion  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:39:01am

Baruch Hashem! Bibi we're waiting for you!

11 kansas  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:39:02am

Dinnerjacket, "Uhoh".

12 Peacekeeper  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:39:02am

Is Obama available?

13 LizardBennet  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:39:10am

Yes! Finally!

14 straitcircle  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:39:13am

Iran attack window = sept -to- early jan 09

15 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:40:22am

Bibi!

16 Iron Fist  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:40:24am

Who's the hardest-assed Right-wing Israeli out there? Him, whoever he is, for PM.

17 pat  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:40:29am

Taa Daa

18 DaMishMan  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:41:17am

Thank you Jesus! Now please...PLEASE...hear my prayer that the Israeli people will put a man with a spine and a desire to protect his country into office...and who will do so, regardless of what the rest of the world wants!

19 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:41:23am

re: #16 Iron Fist

Who's the hardest-assed Right-wing Israeli out there? Him, whoever he is, for PM.

What if it's a she?

20 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:41:56am

re: #19 Sharmuta

What if it's a she?

It isn't.

21 pegcity  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:42:05am

About freakin time.

22 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:42:14am

After what he's done for them, Hizballah should give him a nice comfortable home for his retirement.
/only slightly sarc

23 Cicero05  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:42:20am

Two years too late, IMO.

24 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:42:36am

re: #7 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Selection? Do the Israeli people not get a say in this?


Primaries.

25 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:42:43am

re: #16 Iron Fist

Who's the hardest-assed Right-wing Israeli out there? Him, whoever he is, for PM.

Carl in Jerusalem?

26 pegcity  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:42:43am

re: #16 Iron Fist

Probably Liberman, but in Israel who the hell knows, they're all full of shit

27 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:43:07am

I know next to nothing about other Israeli politicians, but I always liked Bibi.

28 joncelli  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:43:12am

Good riddance. Israel needs a war PM for the next few years.

29 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:43:23am
30 LemonJoose  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:43:27am

I am not all that familiar with Israeli politics. Does anyone know what Netanyahu's chances are of succeeding Olmert?

31 runrabbitrun  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:43:43am

Good grief I was so psyched to see this news that I called the Grampa rabbit immediately, and I knew he was in a meeting.

32 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:43:45am

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!

33 uptight  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:44:07am

Great - now call an election so that Israel can get the Likud government the people so obviously want.

34 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:44:26am

Last thread the Washington Post wakes up and smells the coffee, now maybe Israel can step back from the brink. Maybe this is the end of the beginning.

35 uptight  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:45:07am

re: #18 DaMishMan

Thank you Jesus! Now please...PLEASE...hear my prayer that the Israeli people will put a man with a spine and a desire to protect his country into office...and who will do so, regardless of what the rest of the world wants!

Netanyahu

36 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:45:19am

re: #24 Ben Hur

Primaries.

Ah. I see.

37 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:45:25am

It's going to be another Kadima member folks. It's not the general elections - don't get your hopes too high now.

38 Ben Hur  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:45:35am

re: #30 LemonJoose

I am not all that familiar with Israeli politics. Does anyone know what Netanyahu's chances are of succeeding Olmert?

He is hated by the ISraeli MSM just about as much as the American MSM loves Obama.

His economic reforms pretty much saved the country.

Whenver there was bad economic news, they specifically named him.

When things started to come around and the economy improved, they would only refer to "government policies" or the like.

39 stevieray  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:46:20am

Bolton for Prime Minister!

Change the laws if you have to, just make it so!

40 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:46:33am

About time... but the damage is done, and democracy is slow.

I can't wait for September, and I'm anxious for whoever is next.

The whole political echelon is pretty bad in Israel... they may not be much better (It's not possible to be any worse, though. So that's a plus).

41 Pickle  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:46:41am

Well, Israel survived Olmert. Barely, but I still lost a bet.

42 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:46:44am

This puts the piss process on hold; good.
Meanwhile, the Israelis can look for a Churchill to replace their Chamberlain.

43 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:47:25am

re: #21 pegcity

About freakin time.

Damn straight.

44 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:47:40am

re: #41 Pickle

Well, Israel survived Olmert. Barely, but I still lost a bet.

Some bets you are glad to lose.

45 maddogg  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:48:25am

Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it. Is there a reason to think his replacement will be any better?

46 fish-man  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:48:28am

Yay! May Israel find someone practical, hard-nosed, and willing to do whatever it takes to protect his or her country, and is willing to totally ignore the US State department, which seems to be always heading in the wrong direction.

Olmert won't be missed. He should step down now. Maybe he could get a job obfusticating at the UN. They like that.

47 Extra Z's  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:48:52am

FRACKING FINALLY!

Two years too late though...

48 MandyManners  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:49:08am

re: #45 maddogg

Be careful what you ask for, you might just get it. Is there a reason to think his replacement will be any better?

Is there any other powerful Israeli with a family like Olmert's, and legal problems like his?

49 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:49:51am

I like what I've heard from Avigdor Lieberman. What party is he with?

50 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:49:56am

Sorry, but I don't see much of an improvement waiting in the wings.

Israel's biggest problem in her government is rampant corruption in all circles.

Israel's biggest problem in her electorate is that self hatred often (but not always) over rules self interest.

Israel's biggest problem outside her borders is that, except for the US, every nation on this earth would prefer to see Israel disappear (and the US may join that choir if the Lightworker comes to power).

We can all thank God for the IDF.

51 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

I suspect you're right. The Israeli people aren't ready for a new direction yet.

52 mrdriven  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:52:03am

I hope Olmert's retirement home is in Sderot...

let him experience in person the terror that he refused to do anything about...

53 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:52:26am

Israel's next PM should go up to the crossing into Gaza and publicly padlock it. He should then say "Not our problem" and walk away.

54 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:52:36am

September can't get here fast enough now.

55 MJBrutus  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:52:37am

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

Don't let it smack you on your way out.

Na na na na ... Hey hey, good bye.

...

56 Gordon Marock  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:53:08am

Welcome news. Despite the pessimism on his successor, anyone short of Ahmadinejad will be an improvement.

57 MnMatty  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:53:19am

Bibi is a bad a** and will reduce the idiot ratio in the Mid East because they fear him.
As far as a female version, I'd go with Caroline Glick. Maybe she can be talked into giving up the Jpost gig and entering politics.

This is a good day for the U.S as much as it is for Israel.

58 LindaMarie  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:53:23am

re: #28 joncelli

Good riddance. Israel needs a war PM for the next few years.

Or else they may cease to exist.

59 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:53:33am

Mr. Olmert, here's your Neville Chamberlain Memorial Consolation Prize. Don't let the door hit you in the tuches on the way out. Buh-bye.

60 maddogg  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:53:53am

Since most of the Jews in this country are liberals, and I get the impression most in Israel are the same way, there is little reason to think the replacement will have significantly different outlook or policies. If I'm full of shit, please tell me why.

61 ORD neighbor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:54:33am

Quality of likely replacements at this time is apparently nothing to write home about.

62 loppyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:55:24am

I hope his successor has the testicular fortitude he lacked.

63 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:55:50am

re: #48 MandyManners

Is there any other powerful Israeli with a family like Olmert's, and legal problems like his?

Are there Kennedys in Israel?

64 bald headed geek  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:56:03am

Can't he just leave NOW?

BHG

65 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:56:10am

It would be a good time for Arik Sharon to wake up.

66 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:56:36am

re: #37 Age Of Freedom

It's going to be another Kadima member folks. It's not the general elections - don't get your hopes too high now.

That's right, which means it will be Tzipi Livni.

67 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:57:02am

re: #65 lifeofthemind

It would be a good time for Arik Sharon to wake up.

Would have been a good time 2 years ago.

68 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:57:09am

re: #62 loppyd

I hope his successor has the testicular fortitude he lacked.

Pity, but Golda is long gone ...

69 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:57:27am

re: #66 marjoriemoon

That's right, which means it will be Tzipi Livni.

Still better than Barak, methinks.

70 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:57:31am

re: #39 stevieray

Bolton for Prime Minister!

Change the laws if you have to, just make it so!

Why? I want him for Secretary of State here in the US.

Someone needs to thoroughly clean State from top to bottom and sterilize it from bottom to top.

71 MilkOfMalfeasance  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:58:04am

He is the Jimmy Carter of Israeli PM's

72 SFGoth  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:58:27am

Hopefully it won't be Zippi the Wonderdog.

73 runrabbitrun  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:58:42am

Israel is the global canary in the coal mine and the front line of the world jihad. It's too precious to be guarded by a blind, luxury loving lap cat who's constantly distracted by attractive or pestering mice.

74 akak  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:58:46am

A vote for Tzipi is a vote for Jerusalem being handed over & quitting Israel.

75 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:58:57am

re: #66 marjoriemoon

That's right, which means it will be Tzipi Livni.

Who has been trying to show she has more balls than Olmerde. But since she's still Kadima, that isn't much.

76 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:58:58am

re: #60 maddogg

I'm full of shit, please tell me why.

There should be a rule about using phrases like this in LGF. Something about uncovered meat before lizards. :)

77 Sharmuta  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 10:59:04am

So- obama's ass kissing was wasted? Heh.

78 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:00:22am

As much as I hope things could not get worse with Olmert's successor, I know that is still a possibility. I do so want to be proven wrong.

79 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:01:03am

re: #42 Kosh's Shadow

I wouldn't say that for sure. He might try something on his way out the door - and even worse, Livni might try something to bolster her credentials. I wont trust either of them until they're both shown the door.

80 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:01:21am

Summercamp in Gaza: Yahoo pic

81 winston06  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:01:35am

Great news

82 maddogg  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:01:43am

re: #76 lifeofthemind

There should be a rule about using phrases like this in LGF. Something about uncovered meat before lizards. :)

Well, so far the stampede to show me the error of my thinking has been long in coming.......

83 looking closely  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:02:15am

Good riddance to Olmert, who was never elected, and held that job far longer than he should have.

Perhaps this will be the beginning of the end of the "Kadima" party. (Actually, Sharon's incapacitation probably was, since the party is essentially the Ariel Sharon party).

As to Netanyahu, I understand he has his own baggage (including a massive ego), but he has to be a vast improvement over Olmert.

84 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:02:15am

re: #60 maddogg

Since most of the Jews in this country are liberals, and I get the impression most in Israel are the same way, there is little reason to think the replacement will have significantly different outlook or policies. If I'm full of shit, please tell me why.

I think you are right

85 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:02:20am

Livni may make Israel nostalgic for Olmert.

86 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:02:21am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

Why? I want him for Secretary of State here in the US.

Someone needs to thoroughly clean State from top to bottom and sterilize it from bottom to top.

It will be like the Labors of Hercules

87 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:02:43am

re: #52 mrdriven

I hope Olmert's retirement home is in Sderot...

let him experience in person the terror that he refused to do anything about...

HA. More like Paris. (Yes, that Paris)

/or jail...

88 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:03:38am

Because it's time to give the other imbeciles a turn.

89 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:03:39am

re: #16 Iron Fist

Who's the hardest-assed Right-wing Israeli out there? Him, whoever he is, for PM.

Pick one of Three:

Avigdor Lieberman, Bibi Netanyahu or believe it or not Natan Scharansky.

-S-

90 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:04:11am

Supernatural graffiti....
Jesus' face seen in cat fur

91 Thor-Zone  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:04:15am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

Someone needs to thoroughly clean State from top to bottom and sterilize it from bottom to top.

I agree totally, but sadly I see nothing that will lead to that.

92 NotTheMomma  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:04:35am

Good riddance. Now, can Israel please get someone in there with a spine?

93 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:04:53am

re: #89 Dr. Shalit

Scharansky! Yes, that would change things.

94 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:05:06am

re: #86 lifeofthemind

I personally can't think of anyone better equipped to do the job than Bolton. And I would bet good money he would consider doing it a pleasure as well.

95 looking closely  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:05:33am

Livni is, I think, a better choice than Olmert, though she is clearly far from the hardest "bad-ass" in Israel.

She's also tied to Kadima and by association Olmert, who is obviously quite unpopular, potentially hurting her chances to hold on through the next election cycle.

96 chuba  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:05:36am

Yes, YES, YES!

97 Pyroskank  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:05:41am

About. Friggin'. Time.

98 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:05:57am

As Olmert's replacement, I nominate Ted Stevens.

KIDDING!

99 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:06:08am

re: #4 Dahveed

Netanyahu for Prime Minister!


There are a lot of good things about Bibi, and I've always liked him.

Until I learned that he is the person primarily responsible for blackballing Rav Kahane, and getting him labelled a terrorist (which he was not) in order to eliminate his political threat.

Pretty disgusting. I would like to see Kahane's good name restored. If Bibi would do that (and he won't), then I might forgive him for sacrificing Hebron.

100 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:06:37am

You guys are prematurely excited.

Whoever succeeds him immediately, Livni or Mofaz, is from the opportunistic corrupt Kadima party.

101 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:06:39am

Meanwhile, 'we' are apparently not doing enough to stem the AIDS epidemic.

Strange. I thought perhaps it was Black Americans who were doing too much.

102 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:06:43am

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Supernatural graffiti....
Jesus' face seen in cat fur

I saw that on TV, and I don't see what the owner sees.

103 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:06:56am

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Supernatural graffiti....
Jesus' face seen in cat fur

Saudi Police enroute as we speak.

104 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:07:29am

re: #50 karmic_inquisitor

Sorry, but I don't see much of an improvement waiting in the wings.

Israel's biggest problem in her government is rampant corruption in all circles.

Israel's biggest problem in her electorate is that self hatred often (but not always) over rules self interest.

Israel's biggest problem outside her borders is that, except for the US, every nation on this earth would prefer to see Israel disappear (and the US may join that choir if the Lightworker comes to power).

We can all thank God for the IDF.

I generally agree. I think the biggest problem is self hatred exceeding self interest. Corruption is a big problem, of course, and it's crippling. But it's not the reason for the fray up. It's really the on going pseudo-liberal "neutral reporting" and moral equivalence both international and Israeli alike conduct, which renders out an increasingly bitter and frustrated public in Israel. It almost feels like there's a competition who gets more leftist and loony to join the 'international club'.

The same, IMO, is happening in the U.S., where defining an enemy like the Jihadists is insensible and bigot, where ending wars with a mere schedule appointment is bliss.

Chamberlain syndrome in full throttle, folks.

The only thing people learn from history, is that they learn nothing.

105 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:07:45am

re: #93 lifeofthemind

I've met Natan Sharansky. He's a nice guy and definitely has his head screwed on straight, but he has since resigned from the Knesset and focuses on his work at the Jewish Diaspora Museum.

106 looking closely  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:07:50am

re: #86 lifeofthemind

It will be like the Labors of Hercules

Specifically like the cleaning of the Augean stables, where Hercules had to divert a river to sweep out the place.

I also don't see it likely to happen (Bolton as S of State). The Dems blocked him before, they'll do it again.

107 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:07:52am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Summercamp in Gaza: Yahoo pic

The caption is misquoting the hebrew... can anyone confirm this?

It says that the missile says "Al-Quds" but the hebrew characters (missing vowels which is why I am having trouble) make the sounds k-r-d-m with vowels where the -'s are.

(Hopefully that makes sense to someone who can help me out)

108 NoSubmission  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:08:03am

It's okay, Obama will be President of the World for Life.

109 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:08:13am

re: #102 Ward Cleaver

Looks more like Dawkins to me.

110 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:08:20am

re: #60 maddogg


Unfortunately, you're full of truth.

111 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:08:39am

re: #89 Dr. Shalit

Pick one of Three:

Avigdor Lieberman, Bibi Netanyahu or believe it or not Natan Scharansky.

-S-

As pointed out, this is Kadima primary, not general election... but would Sharansky run in a general election?

112 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:09:12am

Does anyone think he might be given the door because something is right around the corner?

113 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:09:16am

re: #70 Honorary Yooper

Why? I want him for Secretary of State here in the US.


Someone needs to thoroughly clean State from top to bottom and sterilize it from bottom to top.

Can't Bolton do both? Like Bo Jackson playing football & baseball at the same time?

114 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:09:23am

re: #105 lawhawk

I've met Natan Sharansky. He's a nice guy and definitely has his head screwed on straight, but he has since resigned from the Knesset and focuses on his work at the Jewish Diaspora Museum.

Met him once also and I agree.

115 3 wood  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:09:34am

For Olmert

Good Riddance
Green Day

116 Killgore Trout  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:09:49am

re: #107 rlevitin

Interesting. I'm sure the MSM stringers frequently mistranslates that stuff.

117 alegrias  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:04am

re: #93 lifeofthemind

Scharansky! Yes, that would change things.

* * *
Sharansky, like McCain, knows a little bit about life in workers' paradise (communist gulags).

As Anatoly Sharansky, living in Siberia or other gulag, he and other POWS were inspired by mean old Ronald Reagan's tough talk against the USSR.

Sharansky knew America cared about dissidents rotting in leftist cells, and wanted to liberate them--paying any price, fighting any foe, to do so.

John McCain can relate to Sharansky! Freedom for Soviet Jewry, etc. is not hopey-changey, but doable.

118 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:13am

Just got back from a 4-mile jog. I read the news today...oh boy!
I have one thing to say: Bibi.
I'm not too happy with Kadima, and Tzipi may be okay, but I'd rather go with Bibi. Tzipi is/was too close to Olmert.

119 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:22am

re: #109 Killgore Trout

LOL

120 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:22am

re: #105 lawhawk

I've met Natan Sharansky. He's a nice guy and definitely has his head screwed on straight, but he has since resigned from the Knesset and focuses on his work at the Jewish Diaspora Museum.

He's written quite a few books too... I like the guy, but as you point out, I don't think he'd be running for anything. He quit Israeli politics a while back.

121 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:25am

This is related and unreal -

Obama : Israel Likely to Strike Iran If Sanctions Fail.

Read it in full.

You learn that Obama is learning and making up policy as he goes along.

Having never held a 9 to 5 job and having never held an executive position of any sort, Obama will enter the oval office as an entry level employee. And he will have to spend several years learning the middle east as "leaders" there promise him one thing and then screw him the next week, and then come up with better language than even Obama can muster to excuse their treachery.

This country is in for some real trouble if this guy gets elected, and our soldiers' and civilians' blood will be shed all over again putting things back to where they are now.

God help us.

122 jcm  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:38am

re: #107 rlevitin

The caption is misquoting the hebrew... can anyone confirm this?

It says that the missile says "Al-Quds" but the hebrew characters (missing vowels which is why I am having trouble) make the sounds k-r-d-m with vowels where the -'s are.

(Hopefully that makes sense to someone who can help me out)

Redrum, Redrum.....

123 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:10:54am

Not so fast....

Olmert remains in power until a new Kadima leader is elected (likely in a September 25 runoff) and that person forms a coalition. (I know that contradicts what it says above, but that's what the media have all said and I think it's what Olmert meant). It's far from certain that anyone Kadima elects will be able to form a coalition - more likely we will go to new elections. That could leave Olmert as Prime Minister until January or thereabouts. Some of the dangers of that prospect are mentioned in my liveblog on Olmert's speech (I was able to produce a simultaneously translated summary while he spoke).

And for those of you hoping for Livni: She's Olmert's leftist policies without the corruption - she's worse than he is in my book. Mofaz and Bibi would be better, but keep in mind that Mofaz was the Defense Minister who carried out the Gaza expulsion (at the expense of the IDF's battleworthiness for Lebanon) and Bibi is really just looking for someone else to do the dirty work on the 'peace process' - he stayed in Sharon's government until a week before the Gaza expulsion began.

124 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:11:23am

GOOD RIDDANCE TO FILTHY RUBBISH

One of the most dhimmified, stupid, leftist Jews on the planet-with the MOST power to destry Israel other than Ahmedinejad.

125 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:11:37am

re: #49 Ward Cleaver

I like what I've heard from Avigdor Lieberman. What party is he with?


Israel Beitenu, which means "Israel, Our Home."

126 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:11:39am

GA.

destry=destroy

127 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:11:52am

re: #108 NoSubmission

It's okay, Obama will be President of the World for Life.

Haha...
Israel should elect Uri Avneri to compete with the U.S. who's going to hit the wall first.

128 akak  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:12:19am

Every once in a while even Liberals get sick of the shit and vote for the conservative, just look at Canada.

129 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:13:14am

re: #100 Opinionated

You guys are prematurely excited.

Whoever succeeds him immediately, Livni or Mofaz, is from the opportunistic corrupt Kadima party.

"O" -

Good Point, as Israel is a Westminster Parlimentary System (unfortunately modified by proportional representation) a new leader of the dominant party DOES get a chance to form a new government. Figure a coalition with Mofaz and Barak and hope for the best.

-S-

130 looking closely  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:13:21am

re: #104 Age Of Freedom

It almost feels like there's a competition who gets more leftist and loony to join the 'international club'.


Agreed.

To expand on this a bit, my experience has been that Israelis (who are largely, though not entirely, primary or descended from European immigrants) tend to see themselves as pseudo-Europeans, and want above anything, acceptance as a peer by the EU.

The problem is, not only is it never going to happen, but in the process, Israel has a self-delusional tendency to adopt soft European policy against its own interests.

131 Bubblehead II  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:13:22am

OT. But here is a Gorebull Warming alert.

Ice sheet breaks loose off Canada

Formed by accumulating snow and freezing meltwater, ice shelves are large platforms of thick, ancient sea ice that float on the ocean's surface. Ellesmere Island was once entirely ringed by a single enormous ice shelf that broke up in the early 1900s.

At 170 square miles and 130-feet thick, the Ward Hunt shelf is the largest of those remnants. Mueller said it has been steadily declining since the 1930s.

/ We're all going to die! (moonbat)

132 turn  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:13:23am

I know VERY little about politics in Israel. I didn't see something brought up up-thread so I'll have to ask. Does this development make it seem more or less likely that Israel will hit Iran come US election time?

133 leafsfan82  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:13:39am

Good riddance! Now lets bring back Netanyahu and get serious again...

134 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:13:51am

re: #12 Peacekeeper

BEHEAD THOSE WHO EVEN JOKE ABOUT OBAMA ACTUALLY LEADING A NATION

135 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:14:42am

re: #16 Iron Fist

My husband?

136 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:14:58am

re: #99 American Jewess In Jerusalem

There are a lot of good things about Bibi, and I've always liked him.

Until I learned that he is the person primarily responsible for blackballing Rav Kahane, and getting him labelled a terrorist (which he was not) in order to eliminate his political threat.

Pretty disgusting. I would like to see Kahane's good name restored. If Bibi would do that (and he won't), then I might forgive him for sacrificing Hebron.


It's true. No one is perfect. And I too agree about restoring Kahane's good name. Time will do that, of course.

137 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:15:56am

Ehud Olmert was probably lying at his own press conference about resigning.

I will believe it when he actually resigns.

138 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:16:03am

re: #133 leafsfan82

Good riddance! Now lets bring back Netanyahu and get serious again...

Not such a great idea.

139 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:16:14am

Is there something wrong with the Dinging System?

Whenever I try to ding, the intratubular beachballs spins and spins and spins....

140 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:16:22am

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Doesn't matter. We've all decided to make you the next Prime Minister of Israel.

MAZAL TOV! :-)

141 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:16:24am

The Lebanon War is probably going to blow again before the US election. It will be much harder this time. Last time Rice got Livni to get Olmert to hold back. This time there is no doubt that Israel will be fighting for survival. Israel has to clean out Lebanon and the Americans have to push the Syrian regime into collapse. Let the Kurds, Druze and Sunni of Syria sort out a coalition like the parties in Iraq did. Get the flow of Sunni power going West from Anbar into Syria. Get the Alawites to understand they are a non-dominant minority. Free the Christians and make clear that Israel is the protector of the Levant's Christians. Isolate the Lebanese Shia and try to turn them from Iran as a patron to Iraq.

142 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:16:37am

re: #38 Ben Hur

He is hated by the ISraeli MSM just about as much as the American MSM loves Obama.

His economic reforms pretty much saved the country.

Whenver there was bad economic news, they specifically named him.

When things started to come around and the economy improved, they would only refer to "government policies" or the like.

Yes, the media hates him, but all the polls show that he would win in a landslide victory if there were new elections held now.

For those who like Lieberman (and I agree that he speaks boldly and seems like a strong leader), bear in mind that his proposal for dealing with the Arab demographic problem is to trade entire regions in Israel which have Arab majorities for regions in Judea/Samaria (the "Palestinian" area) which have Jewish majorities. It's just not workable.

Pretty much anyone who talks about transfer is labelled a crazy and not taken seriously.

143 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:17:29am

re: #111 rlevitin

As pointed out, this is Kadima primary, not general election... but would Sharansky run in a general election?

"lev" -

Sharansky (sorry about misspelling) - IS Available - See Newsmax, July 23, 2008 article by Chris Ruddy.

-S-

144 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:17:34am

re: #129 Dr. Shalit

"O" -

Good Point, as Israel is a Westminster Parlimentary System
-S-

Yeah, they're all Dogs. But less obedient.

145 looking closely  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:17:56am

re: #132 turn

I know VERY little about politics in Israel. I didn't see something brought up up-thread so I'll have to ask. Does this development make it seem more or less likely that Israel will hit Iran come US election time?

That's the million dollar question.

I don't think the answer is clear since we don't know who the replacement is for Olmert yet, nor do we know who is following Bush, yet, and those things matter.

I would imagine that the ultimate decision will depend on the facts on the ground in Iran as well as elsewhere, and not so much as which individual happens to occupy the PM seat, so it might not make that much of a difference.

146 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:17:56am

re: #48 MandyManners

Lots. Sharon's family, many other media families and other political 'dynasty' families.

147 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:18:16am

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Thank you - thats very illuminating!

The money quote from your blog is this:
'By the way, the reason Olmert addressed the nation tonight is that Livni, her main Kadima rival (Transportation Minister) Shaul Mofaz, and Defense Minister and Labor Party leader Ehud Barak are all in the United States right now.'

Nothing like keeping the closest enemies confused and unable to act!

148 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:18:35am

re: #140 littleoldlady

Doesn't matter. We've all decided to make you the next Prime Minister of Israel.

MAZAL TOV! :-)

Did I do something to offend you? Why would you want to inflict that on me?

149 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:18:42am

If I could pick the next PM, it would be Moshe Arens.

150 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:19:05am

re: #59 Occasional Reader

Your Yiddish is really improving!

151 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:19:23am

re: #99 American Jewess In Jerusalem

There are a lot of good things about Bibi, and I've always liked him.

Until I learned that he is the person primarily responsible for blackballing Rav Kahane, and getting him labelled a terrorist (which he was not) in order to eliminate his political threat.

Pretty disgusting. I would like to see Kahane's good name restored. If Bibi would do that (and he won't), then I might forgive him for sacrificing Hebron.

I agree and updinged ya.

But it's my understanding that Israel doesn't want Bibi either. Wasn't there a great deal of corruption surrounding him? He's tough on foreign policy, yes.

Sharansky? One of my personal heros, but I can hardly see him taking that position. He's basically gotten out of politics now.

And btw, I wasn't advocating Livni. I would assume that if Kadima stays, than it would be her.

Israel tends to recycle the same old fellas... would be nice for some fresh, strong blood to appear.

152 Mardukhai  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:19:27am

What was Olmert thinking, hanging on so long?

He's the bloody prime minister, not the president!

153 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:20:08am

Obama the Messiah should be in charge of Israel!

/

Seriously, thank G-d... Better late than never. Now the scary part, who replaces him?

154 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:20:35am

re: #128 akak

And Stephen Harper has been an excellent PM IMHO.

155 BeckoningChasm  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:20:39am

I certainly can't say I'll miss Olmert. That recent "prisoner exchange" was repellent beyond words.

The next guy (or gal) almost HAS to be better. (Yes, I know, famous last words...)

156 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:22:12am

Are there any Jews in line for the job who aren't idiots?

157 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:22:20am

Scharansky, Solzhenitzen and Sakharov were the left hook that with Reagan's right cross brought down the Evil Empire.

158 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:22:32am

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Thanks, Carl.

159 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:23:01am

Olmert resigning is great....but they are going to get Livni instead. Big Whup!

That is like trading Carter for Obama.

160 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:23:35am

re: #157 lifeofthemind

Along with Maggie and the Pope.

161 akak  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:24:15am

re: #154 WriterMom

And Stephen Harper has been an excellent PM IMHO.

Mostly good or wise moments, not too many bad moments.

Love his character on This hour has 22 minutes! As soon as I see the guy it kills me.

162 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:24:45am

re: #157 lifeofthemind

Scharansky, Solzhenitzen and Sakharov were the left hook that with Reagan's right cross brought down the Evil Empire.

Dinged ya up for that - Solzhenitzyn is my hero.
Lets not forget that Solzhenitzyn started the ball rolling - Sacharov got involved much later, and Scharansky is basically the next generation, as it were.

163 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:24:51am

re: #160 WriterMom

Along with Maggie and the Pope.

Hey that makes it an over full house. Who dealt six cards here?

164 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:25:02am

It's difficult to get excited about any candidate.

I remember in early 2001, when I was in Israel, every time I drove out of Jerusalem the road was plastered with Sharon campaign posters.

And every time I saw them I was so hopeful that if only Sharon was elected he would set things right. It was at the height of the terror attacks.

What a disastrous disappointment he turned out to be.

165 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:25:17am

re: #151 marjoriemoon

"But it's my understanding that Israel doesn't want Bibi either. Wasn't there a great deal of corruption surrounding him? He's tough on foreign policy, yes."

There is corruption surrounding every major player in Israeli politics, so that probably won't make a difference for Bibi. The polls show that he would win easily. Whenever there is a spate of terror attacks, or the Arab boogey man looms particularly large, the Israelis run for cover under one of the hardline politicians. As soon as the Jewish death count diminishes a tiny bit, then the Israelis run to re-elect the libtards.

Don't ask me to explain. I can't.

166 littleoldlady  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:25:39am

re: #148 Carl in Jerusalem

I know we wouldn't be doing you any favors, but think of the mitzvah you'd be doing!

/Come on, Carl! Such a little country. You could do it!
//you could form a most excellent Kitchen Fruitcup Cabinet right here from among us arnchair politicians at LGF.
///Heck, if OBAMA could run for President of the U.S...

167 turn  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:25:49am

re: #145 looking closely

That's the million dollar question.

I don't think the answer is clear since we don't know who the replacement is for Olmert yet, nor do we know who is following Bush, yet, and those things matter.

I would imagine that the ultimate decision will depend on the facts on the ground in Iran as well as elsewhere, and not so much as which individual happens to occupy the PM seat, so it might not make that much of a difference.

In light of Carl's #123 it appears Olmert will still be in office come US election time, so the "more or less likely to bomb Iran" question is probably a non issue.

168 GGMac  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:26:21am

re: #68 yma o hyd

Pity, but Golda is long gone ...

My fantasy dream, when reality gets me down:

Golda M., Ronald R., Margaret T.

Well, actually - it's my fantasy all day, every day.

*sigh*

169 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:26:25am

re: #156 Pawn of the Oppressor

Are there any Jews in line for the job who aren't idiots?


No.

170 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:26:46am

re: #143 Dr. Shalit

"lev" -

Sharansky (sorry about misspelling) - IS Available - See Newsmax, July 23, 2008 article by Chris Ruddy.

-S-

Found it

Reading now... thought I'd link it in case others were interested.

171 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:26:47am

re: #166 littleoldlady

Heck. For a spot in the Knesset I'd make Alliyah today!

172 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:26:56am

re: #124 WriterMom

GOOD RIDDANCE TO FILTHY RUBBISH

One of the most dhimmified, stupid, leftist Jews on the planet-with the MOST power to destry Israel other than Ahmedinejad.


[don't hold back...tell us how you really feel]
I agree 100,000%.

173 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:26:57am

Isn't Olmert facing indictment for something or other? Think this is related?

174 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:27:22am
175 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:27:52am
176 DistantThunder  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:28:06am

I hope Iran is trembling in their boots and peeing in their pants.

177 turn  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #176 DistantThunder

I hope Iran is trembling in their boots and peeing in their pants.

Peeing in their boots and trembling in their pants works too ..

178 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:29:48am

re: #156 Pawn of the Oppressor

Are there any Jews in line for the job who aren't idiots?

Israel was founded to disprove the slur that Jews were different. They were determined to prove they were a normal nation like everyone else. They have proven that Jews can be as selfish stupid lecherous and corrupt as politicians anywhere else. But damn it they can't help being better at it.

179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:30:07am

re: #168 GGMac

My fantasy dream, when reality gets me down:

Golda M., Ronald R., Margaret T.

Well, actually - it's my fantasy all day, every day.

*sigh*

President Sherman, VP Patton, Sec of State Pershing

/Dream a little dream

180 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:30:07am
181 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:30:18am

re: #174 cutestguy

I do not understand this love affair on LGF for Bibi. Bibi is a loser. He isnt' a "hawk" as he is most commonly referred but instead only "rightist" compared to the lefties. Think Joe Lieberman.

Dispite his hawkish promises, and tough talk, when in power, Bibi followed the same leftist policies of giving land for nothing, and bolstering the 'best" terrorist available.

Israel needs REAL change in leadership, not a rehasing of the same failed politicians. I'd like to see NRP or Herut win. That would end the Arab-Israeli conflict right quick.

182 Age Of Freedom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:31:41am

re: #130 looking closely

Agreed.

To expand on this a bit, my experience has been that Israelis (who are largely, though not entirely, primary or descended from European immigrants) tend to see themselves as pseudo-Europeans, and want above anything, acceptance as a peer by the EU.

The problem is, not only is it never going to happen, but in the process, Israel has a self-delusional tendency to adopt soft European policy against its own interests.

Many Israelis who live abroad "get mugged by reality" and consequently steer clear of the Ever Increasing Leftist Derangement Until A World War Ensues Club.

183 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:31:48am
184 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:32:02am
185 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:32:49am

re: #168 GGMac

My fantasy dream, when reality gets me down:

Golda M., Ronald R., Margaret T.

Well, actually - it's my fantasy all day, every day.

*sigh*

Heh.
Maggie, old and ill as she is, could still wipe the floor with 'The Symbol'*, easy!

*'The Symbol' is what I call BO from now on ...

186 maddogg  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:32:52am

re: #183 taxfreekiller

So, some one slam the door before he takes all the funiture and dishs like the Clintons did.

Hell, it was worth it to see the back of that sonofabitch.

187 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:33:04am

re: #181 WrathofG-d

I do not understand this love affair on LGF for Bibi. Bibi is a loser. He isnt' a "hawk" as he is most commonly referred but instead only "rightist" compared to the lefties. Think Joe Lieberman.

Dispite his hawkish promises, and tough talk, when in power, Bibi followed the same leftist policies of giving land for nothing, and bolstering the 'best" terrorist available.

Israel needs REAL change in leadership, not a rehasing of the same failed politicians. I'd like to see NRP or Herut win. That would end the Arab-Israeli conflict right quick.

From your lips to God's ears. I don't think Herut will ever have a chance, though. The Israeli public is terrified of anything religious (and after the whore Shas, can you blame them?)

188 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:33:14am

re: #181 WrathofG-d

Wrath-Caroline Glick isn't running, so it looks like Bibi is the best of all possibilities now.

189 Adina in Judea  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:33:31am

re: #60 maddogg

Since most of the Jews in this country are liberals, and I get the impression most in Israel are the same way, there is little reason to think the replacement will have significantly different outlook or policies.

Bibi and the Likud Party are favored to win the next election. If most Jews in Israel were liberals, the Labor Party would be looking a lot stronger than it is (with or without Barak.) The Likud Party is the most electable right wing party.

If you look at the Israeli opinion polls when they are released, Jews in Israel appear to be strikingly more awake and aware than most of Israel's politicians. The vast majority of Israel's Jews don't believe a peace agreement that brings real peace is possible.

Also, the vast majority of Israel's Jews don't want to give up the Golan Heights. Although the majority of Israel's Jews are secular, 94% of Israel's Jews refuse to give up full control of the Western Wall even in exchange for a real and lasting peace.

Most of Israel's Jews are still optimistic about their lives. The problem in Israel's government is the closed political system where parties are elected rather than individuals. Since individuals are not responsible for the wishes of their constituents, it's easier to ignore what the people actually want.

Every time I see opinion polls about what Israelis actually want, I'm heartened by it. What they want is far more reasonable and hopeful than what the politicians are saying and doing.

As the biggest example of how Israelis have woken up - most Israelis no longer want Israel to evacuate the settlements. It used to be assumed that Israel would move almost back to the '67 cease fire lines in an agreement. Now, Israelis know that rockets will be fired on Tel Aviv and Ben Gurion Airport if Israel starts evacuating areas in Samaria. This is a lesson from the Gaza withdrawal. Israelis today do realize that no peace agreement that brings real peace is possible. Making dramatic moves in Judea and Samaria would only make things far worse.

Hopefully, Bibi (as the expected winner of the next elections) plans to make it clear to the world that Israel isn't going to be willing to bring on a worse war by trying to make an impossible peace deal that would only make things worse. The majority of Israelis seem to know this already. It's time some Israeli politicians were willing to say it, too.

190 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:34:04am

re: #164 Opinionated

It's difficult to get excited about any candidate.

I remember in early 2001, when I was in Israel, every time I drove out of Jerusalem the road was plastered with Sharon campaign posters.

And every time I saw them I was so hopeful that if only Sharon was elected he would set things right. It was at the height of the terror attacks.

What a disastrous disappointment he turned out to be.

Actually, he was quite good until 2003-04. He shut down the intifada, for which we all were grateful. But then he got into giving away Gaza and he lost most of us on the right. Why did he do it? Mostly to avoid corruption charges.

191 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:34:15am

re: #180 buzzsawmonkey

Anybody seen it in Darfur?

Only briefly. It was a sudan revelation.

192 formercorpsman  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:34:16am

re: #141 lifeofthemind


You nailed it.

193 wolfie  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:34:51am

re: #178 lifeofthemind

ROFLMAO ! That's priceless!

194 GGMac  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:34:53am

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

President Sherman, VP Patton, Sec of State Pershing

/Dream a little dream

Talk about badasses - just what we need. YES! :)

195 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:35:41am

re: #170 rlevitin

Found it

Reading now... thought I'd link it in case others were interested.

Thank you!
Here's the quote:
'With such powerful ideas about the future of his nation and the West, is Sharansky ready for a political comeback?

He says yes, if there is a government that stands for something, has found its identity, he would consider it. '

Brilliant.
Brilliant man. Hope he does it!

196 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:35:42am

re: #190 Carl in Jerusalem

Exactly, and the filthy, leftist media that turned him (and subsequently Olmert) into Fancy Assed Etrogim are very much to blame.

197 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:35:47am

re: #188 WriterMom

Wrath-Caroline Glick isn't running, so it looks like Bibi is the best of all possibilities now.

Caroline Glick is Bibi's #1 supporter.

198 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:36:00am
199 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:36:09am

re: #191 pre-Boomer Marine brat

{GROAN}

200 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:36:14am

re: #181 WrathofG-d

I do not understand this love affair on LGF for Bibi.

He looks good on TV, and we don't know many of the alternatives. Not that I try very hard, but I never, ever feel that I understand Israeli politics.

I don't hope for the most hawkish leadership, I hope for the best leadership. Bibi never seemed to be that. The best may be hawkish, but the hawkish may not be the best, if you see what I mean.

201 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:36:20am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Summercamp in Gaza: Yahoo pic

Photos before and after reference a 10-year old boy killed at a protest by "live fire". What sort of depraved nut-job parent either lets, or sends, their 10-year old to a protest?

202 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:36:29am

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

No chance at all.

203 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:37:07am

Maybe he's resigning to become Obama's VP.

204 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:37:17am

re: #199 WriterMom

{GROAN}

Sorry, but buzzsaw started it.

(-: *duck*

205 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:37:31am

re: #197 Carl in Jerusalem

Carl-it's because there aren't many options. If there was an Israeli John Bolton-HALLEVAI-she would back him.

206 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:37:51am

I think that Olmert knows that a war, whether with the Hizzies or Iran, is coming soon and does not want to be PM for it. He's got to know he balled up the last one.

207 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:37:59am

re: #201 CommonCents

Photos before and after reference a 10-year old boy killed at a protest by "live fire". What sort of depraved nut-job parent either lets, or sends, their 10-year old to a protest?

Come on. These are Palis we're talking about. His parents probably wet their pants in glee that they had a martyr in the family.

208 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:38:18am
209 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:38:29am

re: #200 itellu3times

I met him once in person. He's very nice looking but short. But his English is outstanding and I think he explains things to the world outside of Israel very well.

210 saylorfam  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:38:43am

Golda is gone but perhaps she can still be effective from the other side. I remember as a young man thinking she reminded me of a gentle jewish grandmother. She fought for her people like nobody's business. i learned this in 1973 when she made it clear that Israel would do "what ever it had to do" to survive. The inference was very clear.
She was more of a man than most men I ever knew.

211 ludwigvanquixote  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:38:53am

I truly hope Israel gets much better the next time. And September is too far off.

212 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:39:11am

re: #208 buzzsawmonkey

What a great metaphor. I like water!

213 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:39:48am

re: #187 American Jewess In Jerusalem

I was at an event to make the Israeli political system closer to the America one, and they were handing out a paper with the percentages of each party in the Knesset. (to show that you can win with only 20% of the vote, etc.)

What I noticed however is that if all the religious, or "Hawkish" parites were to form one part they could win by a landslide. If only they could put their personal interests aside for a bit, and partner, they could do some real benefit to the Country.

re: #188 WriterMom

Ok so maybe Bibi is "the best now" or whatever, but I can't necessarily accept that before an election. Its like saying that we should had to go with McCain before the party here forced us to. When choosing who will lead a party to run for Knesset, I still loudly hope and pray that a nationalist religious party wins. (see above).

If its Bibi vs. Peres, then at that point I'll pray for Bibi.

214 CommonCents  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:40:38am

re: #207 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Come on. These are Palis we're talking about. His parents probably wet their pants in glee that they had a martyr in the family.

That entire band of lunatics is not deserving of a state, let alone oxygen. They've poisened their youth and future to the extent that I have no remorse for even the children killed.

215 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:40:40am

re: #205 WriterMom

Carl-it's because there aren't many options. If there was an Israeli John Bolton-HALLEVAI-she would back him.

I agree that there aren't many options. I'm not sure Caroline would back Moshe Feiglin or Aryeh Eldad.

216 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:41:13am

re: #190 Carl in Jerusalem

Many victims were sacrificed before he finally acted after the Passover massacre.

In any event, what he Left at the end, the expulsion and the birth of Kadima, for me erased all the previous good he had done in his life. The results of both Israel will continue to suffer.

217 yochanan  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:41:25am

now is the time to work for a national unity gov't I.E. A WAR GOV'T enough with the politics Israel's national existance is on the line

IRAN + NUKES = WW3

218 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:41:55am

re: #192 formercorpsman

You nailed it.

re: #193 wolfie

ROFLMAO ! That's priceless!

Thank you, your servant.

219 Alouette  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:42:53am

Not soon enough. He still plans to remain in office for 3 more months.

220 Alouette  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:43:28am

re: #16 Iron Fist

Who's the hardest-assed Right-wing Israeli out there? Him, whoever he is, for PM.

Moshe Feiglin.

221 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:43:33am

re: #198 buzzsawmonkey

Now you are talking. He would be perfect. Let him resolve the major foreign policy issue for Israel, then when they have peace they can vote for Livni and let her usher in some sort of internal nirvana.

Moshe is the Man. (or in the parlance of our times: Moshe is my homeboy!)

222 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:43:39am

A Bit O/T - I have always thought that PM Sharon had a strategy behind the Gaza Withdrawal. Something like - If it Worked, Great! If it didn't, the IDF would not be tied up protecting Israeli Residents of Gaza when conflict broke out. He might have made it work, Olmert obviously hasn't.
Discussion?

-S-

223 GGMac  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:43:42am

re: #185 yma o hyd

Heh.
Maggie, old and ill as she is, could still wipe the floor with 'The Symbol'*, easy!

*'The Symbol' is what I call BO from now on ...

Yes, she sure could. There will surely be an empty spot when she passes.

I like your descriptor of the BO. I've been referring to him as "hishusseinness', and also like 'the child'. It's just so hard to fathom how anyone can be so completely and utterly in love with himself.

224 akak  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:43:43am

Moshe Ya'alon

225 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:43:52am

re: #213 WrathofG-d

Wrath-it's also like admitting that if you don't vote for McCain, you're essentially voting for Obama.

226 Tazzerman  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:44:39am

re: #4 Dahveed

Netanyahu for Prime Minister!

Here here! I second that motion, all in favor?

227 yma o hyd  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:44:54am

re: #219 Alouette

Not soon enough. He still plans to remain in office for 3 more months.

Yep - reminds me of Tony Blair's long good-bye here in the UK.
Ahem - could it be possible that our Tony told Olmert how to handle this?

228 wolfie  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:45:08am

re: #220 Alouette

Moshe Feiglin.

How do you pronounce his last name?

229 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:45:26am

re: #225 WriterMom

Not sure if you agree with that statement or not, (no tone on computer) but I believe it to be true.

It goes under "biting off your nose to spite your face".

230 itellu3times  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:46:48am

re: #222 Dr. Shalit

A Bit O/T - I have always thought that PM Sharon had a strategy behind the Gaza Withdrawal. Something like - If it Worked, Great! If it didn't, the IDF would not be tied up protecting Israeli Residents of Gaza when conflict broke out. He might have made it work, Olmert obviously hasn't.
Discussion?

Sacrificial pawn, to show how it wouldn't work for Israel to pull out of West Bank, etc.

231 Irish Rose  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:47:16am

About damned time.

232 Adina in Judea  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:47:50am

In the Kadima primary, I'm rooting for Shaul Mofaz. He seems much more willing to form a coalition with Likud.

If Likud wins the next elections and forms a coalition with Kadima with Mofaz as the leader, it is likely that he would put Mofaz in as the Defense Minister.

Mofaz (born in Tehran, by the way, and lived in Iran until he was around 10 years old) is a former Chief of Staff of the IDF (appointed by Bibi Netanyahu) and also a former Defense Minister under Ariel Sharon.

He's a tough cookie!

I think it would be unnerving for Iran to face off with an Israeli Defense Minister who was born in Tehran.

233 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:47:52am

re: #222 Dr. Shalit

A Bit O/T - I have always thought that PM Sharon had a strategy behind the Gaza Withdrawal. Something like - If it Worked, Great! If it didn't, the IDF would not be tied up protecting Israeli Residents of Gaza when conflict broke out. He might have made it work, Olmert obviously hasn't.
Discussion?

-S-

That's a very interesting theory.

Would be nice way to keep his reputation in tact if that is true. Unfortunately, because of his strokes, we will never know. Prior to pulling out of Gaza, there was still no evidence as clear as what happened after the pullout that the Pali's screaming about Israeli settlements was illegitimate.

Common sense should have told him so, but it hadn't been tried -- there was no real way of knowing.

I like the idea that once the world was shown the cesspool Gaza became, Sharon would go in and clean it up.

234 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:47:54am

re: #228 wolfie

Fay-glin.

235 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:48:44am

re: #232 Adina in Judea

Disagree with you. Mofaz was a good RamatKal, but he's been a TOTAL weenie as a politician. Impotent weenie.

236 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:49:00am

re: #222 Dr. Shalit

A Bit O/T - I have always thought that PM Sharon had a strategy behind the Gaza Withdrawal. Something like - If it Worked, Great! If it didn't, the IDF would not be tied up protecting Israeli Residents of Gaza when conflict broke out. He might have made it work, Olmert obviously hasn't.
Discussion?

-S-

The squeeze the toothpaste out of the tube option? Problem with that is that the Arabs did the same thing in 1948. They told people to evacuate so they wouldn't get in the way of the mighty Arab Legions that were going to throw the Jews into the sea. That is what started the refugee problem. It is awkward for Israel to take the same position. If they belonged there then they should have fought. If not or they were truly indefensible then they needed to go. I can see no reason for Israel to have evacuated the settlements to the North-East. There is no legal border between Gaza and Israel pending a peace treaty.

237 jorline  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:49:02am

Answer to Gaza Peace...If first you don't succeed...send in the IDF.

238 kansas  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:49:30am

re: #219 Alouette

Not soon enough. He still plans to remain in office for 3 more months.


He can leave just in time for Obama. No longer sure about the Jacket being worried.

239 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:50:17am

Meanwhile, on another Israeli issue, an unbiased headline from the NY Times. /s

Israelis Kill Palestinian Boy at Protest, Witnesses Say

Maj. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli Army spokeswoman, said that the military had no knowledge of the shooting but that it was waiting for the results of an autopsy.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Because with one Al Dura hoax exposed, the barbarians need another one.

240 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:51:09am

According to Rush, the obamassiah has just thrown ludicris under the bus.

241 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:51:16am

re: #232 Adina in Judea

In the Kadima primary, I'm rooting for Shaul Mofaz. He seems much more willing to form a coalition with Likud.

If Likud wins the next elections and forms a coalition with Kadima with Mofaz as the leader, it is likely that he would put Mofaz in as the Defense Minister.

Mofaz (born in Tehran, by the way, and lived in Iran until he was around 10 years old) is a former Chief of Staff of the IDF (appointed by Bibi Netanyahu) and also a former Defense Minister under Ariel Sharon.

He's a tough cookie!

I think it would be unnerving for Iran to face off with an Israeli Defense Minister who was born in Tehran.


I love it! Especially the fact that so many Arabs label Israel as being racist. The irony is delicious.

242 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:51:48am

re: #232 Adina in Judea

In the Kadima primary, I'm rooting for Shaul Mofaz. He seems much more willing to form a coalition with Likud.

If Likud wins the next elections and forms a coalition with Kadima with Mofaz as the leader, it is likely that he would put Mofaz in as the Defense Minister.

Mofaz (born in Tehran, by the way, and lived in Iran until he was around 10 years old) is a former Chief of Staff of the IDF (appointed by Bibi Netanyahu) and also a former Defense Minister under Ariel Sharon.

He's a tough cookie!

I think it would be unnerving for Iran to face off with an Israeli Defense Minister who was born in Tehran.

That would be interesting... leave a lot of creative sway for the media to play with. Of course, they'd never be interested in reporting from that angle. It'd be spun as a new evil zionist brain washing technique... make Iranians face Iranians.

243 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:52:05am
244 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:52:18am

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

According to Rush, the obamassiah has just thrown ludicris under the bus.

I stand corrected, it wasn't obama but a spokesperson that threw ludicris under the campaign bus.

245 lawhawk  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:52:37am

re: #239 Opinionated

And this time, it may be more difficult to detect since the terrorists have the same kind of firearms as the Israelis do (courtesy of the various "security arrangements" made between Israel and the PA, including weapons transfers some of which ended up in Hamas' hands when Fatah couldn't hold Gaza). So, if they claim that an Israeli weapon killed the kid, there's no real way to tell unless you track down the individual firearms involved, recreate the scene, etc.

246 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:53:30am

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

According to Rush, the obamassiah has just thrown ludicris under the bus.

Sister Soldja, Revision 2.1.

247 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:54:30am

re: #244 newsjunkie_ky

I stand corrected, it wasn't obama but a spokesperson that threw ludicris under the campaign bus.

That way Obama gets to keep his cred and support of the guy.

248 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:54:35am
249 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:54:54am

re: #239 Opinionated

Meanwhile, on another Israeli issue, an unbiased headline from the NY Times. /s

Israelis Kill Palestinian Boy at Protest, Witnesses Say

Maj. Avital Leibovich, an Israeli Army spokeswoman, said that the military had no knowledge of the shooting but that it was waiting for the results of an autopsy.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

Because with one Al Dura hoax exposed, the barbarians need another one.

I posted this a yesterday... it got largely ignored by the Lizards back then.

JPost kept changing the child's age from 12 to 10 to 11.

The "witness" JPost was interviewing insisted he was an Israeli Activist. He claimed the boy was shot by an IDF officer using live fire, while the other officers were using rubber bullets. In the second last paragraph, he admits he wasn't actually present when it happened, and that he had heard it from other palestinian witnesses.

I am HIGHLY suspicious.

250 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:55:10am

re: #246 karmic_inquisitor
This is not the ludicris I knew so sayeth the obamassiah.

251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:55:20am

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

According to Rush, the obamassiah has just thrown ludicris under the bus.

As soon as I heard Rush play that song earlier today, I said "It's gonna get real crowded under that bus today!"

252 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:55:40am

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

According to Rush, the obamassiah has just thrown ludicris under the bus.

That Obama's may become POTUS is ludicrous.

253 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:55:41am

re: #247 karmic_inquisitor
You are so right on there.

254 Adina in Judea  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:56:00am

re: #235 WriterMom

I'm mostly interested in seeing Mofaz as the Defense Minister under Bibi.

It's possible that Tzipi Livni's Kadima would also join a coalition formed by Likud, in which case Mofaz (as a contender in Kadima) would be a good candidate for Defense Minister even if he loses the Kadima primary.

One way or another, I think Mofaz would be the best choice for Defense Minister in a Bibi-Lilkud government.

Bibi left a lot of bitterness on the right after his earlier term as PM. I think he's learned from this. I do think he needs someone like Mofaz as Defense Minister anyway, however.

255 newsjunkie_ky  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:56:42am

re: #251 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yep, I hope more rappers put out songs like that.

256 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:56:59am

re: #249 rlevitin

Hey, someone heard from someone that something happened and since it involved Palistinians- we know the JOOOOS did it. What we don't know, to whom we don't know but we always know Who.

257 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:57:04am
258 AZDave  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:57:27am

re: #18 DaMishMan

Thank you Jesus! Now please...PLEASE...hear my prayer that the Israeli people will put a man with a spine and a desire to protect his country into office...and who will do so, regardless of what the rest of the world wants!

Let's hope the good citizens of the USA do the same.

259 Alouette  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:57:33am

re: #139 WriterMom

Is there something wrong with the Dinging System?

Whenever I try to ding, the intratubular beachballs spins and spins and spins....

Works for me.

260 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:57:54am

re: #249 rlevitin

I posted this a yesterday... it got largely ignored by the Lizards back then.

JPost kept changing the child's age from 12 to 10 to 11.

The "witness" JPost was interviewing insisted he was an Israeli Activist. He claimed the boy was shot by an IDF officer using live fire, while the other officers were using rubber bullets. In the second last paragraph, he admits he wasn't actually present when it happened, and that he had heard it from other palestinian witnesses.

I am HIGHLY suspicious.

Truth doesn't matter. The NY Times has decided.

261 bj  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:58:43am

Best news I've heard in a long time. Am Yisrael Chai. Maybe now we have a chance.

262 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:58:51am

re: #243 cutestguy

This singer was found butchered up in her Dubai apartment.

Can't have those Muslim women strutting around now, singing and all that anti Allah stuff now can we?

Very sad

Yes, I liked the old guy reading the paper who miraculously survives the explosion.

263 2senseplain  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:59:34am

re: #219 Alouette

If he isn't successful in doing what he does best--exploiting the system--to drag it out to 5 or 6 months.

264 Dianna  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 11:59:54am

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

I thought he indicated that he'd sent a spokesperson out to condemn what had been said? And that Obama had not quite yet thrown Ludicris (what an idiotic name) under the bus?

265 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:00:04pm
266 Opinionated  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:00:27pm

If no one has followed Dick Morris's utterances lately. He has predicted that if Mofaz become PM, he will attack Iran, which makes a McCain victory likely.

267 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:01:30pm

re: #254 Adina in Judea

I have a friend whose position may rise a lot if Bibi comes into power. Can't say who it is now.

268 Cygnus  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:01:44pm

re: #90 Killgore Trout

Supernatural graffiti....
Jesus' face seen in cat fur

It's Ceiling Cat and Basement Cat!

269 GGMac  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:02:06pm

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

According to Rush, the obamassiah has just thrown ludicris under the bus.

My up-ding was for Rush for publicizing the video - not for any action thishusseinness may or not have taken.


/clarification

270 finallyhere  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:02:08pm

re: #41 Pickle

Well, Israel survived Olmert. Barely, but I still lost a bet.

Unfortunately, not yet.

He will be PM until primaries in the middle of September. Then another leader of Kadima criminal gang is selected. (olmert is still PM), then that "leader" has 42 days to set a new government (olmert is still PM). If that "leader" is not successful, a new election is set in 90 days. Olmert is still PM and we can have Obama in the office. Meanwhile Olmert is trying to give away Golans for Syria's promise to start "direct talk" and Iran is building nukes. As he selling it to Israelis: Syria will break ties with Iran.

271 Golem Akbar  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:02:47pm

re: #258 AZDave

Let's hope the good citizens of the USA do the same.

It was just that sort of prayer that got Golda elected president.

272 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:02:54pm

Late to the thread and haven't read the comments yet, so forgive me if I am redundant when I note that Olmert has expressed no intention of going anywhere in the near future. Suffice to say that he is in a position to control the timing of the choice of his successor and it will therefore only be his imminent indictment which will trigger the actual leadership negotiations and attendant back-room dealings (including his immunity from prosecution/pardon). As noted in the article, Olmert may be able to cling to power until at least until March, 2009, and of course if Israel is by then at war with Iran then all bets will be off since no one will want a leadership change in the middle of an existential struggle.

273 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:03:11pm

re: #243 cutestguy

This singer was found butchered up in her Dubai apartment.

Can't have those Muslim women strutting around now, singing and all that anti Allah stuff now can we?

Very sad

When officials broke into her apartment they found the singer's corpse on the floor with her head detached from her body.

Obviously Methodists again.

274 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:03:43pm

re: #240 newsjunkie_ky

"The first black president is destined and it's meant to be,"

I mean, why? It ain't as if the great obamessiah hasn't already said it himself...

275 karmic_inquisitor  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:04:43pm

OT - the whole Salmonella outbreak has now been traced to an irrigation line at a Pepper farm in Mexico.

276 Vergeltung  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:04:53pm

re: #266 Opinionated

If no one has followed Dick Morris's utterances lately. He has predicted that if Mofaz become PM, he will attack Iran, which makes a McCain victory likely.

Mofaz sounds too much like GroFAZ. yikes.

277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:05:45pm

re: #268 Cygnus

It's Ceiling Cat and Basement Cat!

If longcat or monorail cat show up, we're screwed. Only Dunecat can save us then.

278 madisonsfriend  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:06:15pm

re: #273 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It is a cultural issue- we cannot condemn what others do- that would be ethnocentric. Murdering a woman for perceived immorality is the right of a muslim man. nothing to see here- move along.

279 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:06:35pm
280 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:07:37pm

re: #278 madisonsfriend

It is a cultural issue- we cannot condemn what others do- that would be ethnocentric. Murdering a woman for perceived immorality is the right of a muslim man. nothing to see here- move along.

Are you a member of the Canadian Human Rights Commission?

281 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:07:48pm
An investigation has been ordered into claims that a 10-year-old Palestinian boy was shot dead by officers in Ni'ilin in the aftermath of a violent demonstration against the West Bank security barrier, a Border Police spokesman said on Tuesday.

On Tuesday evening, Ahmed Ussam Yusef Mousa was among several boys who went to the site where the barrier was being built outside Ni'ilin, east of Modi'in Illit. There were no security personnel there, and the mostly teenage boys began removing razor wire, said Israeli activist Jonathan Pollak, a member of Anarchists Against the Wall.

The NYT article said he was shot while *resting under a tree* after the demonstration.

As they worked, a Border Police jeep drove up. Officers shot rubber bullets and one shot of live ammunition from a distance of about 10 meters, Pollak said. It was this shot that killed Mousa, he claimed.

Pollak was in the area at the time but did not see the incident. He based his description on eyewitness testimony; however, he insisted that the officers in question were border policemen and that the Palestinians in the area knew exactly how to recognize them.

Why would all but one officer use rubber bullets? It doesn't make sense.

RTWT

There is quite a bit more in the article... the whole thing is FISHY. It says the IDF is looking into the possibility he was hit by Palestinian gunfire.

282 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:08:16pm

re: #254 Adina in Judea

I'm mostly interested in seeing Mofaz as the Defense Minister under Bibi.

It's possible that Tzipi Livni's Kadima would also join a coalition formed by Likud, in which case Mofaz (as a contender in Kadima) would be a good candidate for Defense Minister even if he loses the Kadima primary.

One way or another, I think Mofaz would be the best choice for Defense Minister in a Bibi-Lilkud government.

Bibi left a lot of bitterness on the right after his earlier term as PM. I think he's learned from this. I do think he needs someone like Mofaz as Defense Minister anyway, however.

He won't. Uzi Dayan locked up that position when he joined Likud the other day.

283 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:08:26pm

re: #233 rlevitin

That's a very interesting theory.

Would be nice way to keep his reputation in tact if that is true. Unfortunately, because of his strokes, we will never know. Prior to pulling out of Gaza, there was still no evidence as clear as what happened after the pullout that the Pali's screaming about Israeli settlements was illegitimate.

Common sense should have told him so, but it hadn't been tried -- there was no real way of knowing.

I like the idea that once the world was shown the cesspool Gaza became, Sharon would go in and clean it up.

"lev" -

To tell you the truth I couldn't understand the move any OTHER way.

-S-

284 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:08:57pm

re: #200 itellu3times

I know what works in that part of the world, and what has worked for Israel specifically. It was said a long time ago, and its still true. Strength = power, and appeasement = weakness. Everytime Israel gives up land they get more Terrori.

Thus what Israel needs is to go back to what worked. Begin/ Ben-Gurion type politics. They need clarity of purpose, and individual meaning, which would be created by a National Religious party. There would have to be some sort of sheild against their forcing Orthodoxy on the State, but that would be accomplished by the Supreme Court, or otherwise.

Truth is however, that if they are all dying in a nuclear attack or constantly being attacked....wearing a shitle shouldn't be their biggest concern.

285 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:09:06pm
286 Rancher  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:09:33pm

Bibi and Mofaz work for me.

287 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:09:44pm

re: #283 Dr. Shalit

"lev" -

To tell you the truth I couldn't understand the move any OTHER way.

-S-

I understood it as Sharon having had a complete ideological shift from his earlier years, and just becoming another crazy leftist.

288 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:13:40pm

Sharon was an idiot. He sold out thousands of his own people/citizens for his own neck. He was trying to shore up support from the defeatest Israelis so he wouldn't be tried for corruption.

What he got wasn't enough.

289 GGMac  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:14:17pm

re: #275 karmic_inquisitor

OT - the whole Salmonella outbreak has now been traced to an irrigation line at a Pepper farm in Mexico.


Food for thought: in all the video footage you've seen on TV of Mexican farmworkers picking fruits, vegs, etc., have you ever seen a port-a-potty anywhere? Ever seen a water line/spigot for washing hands? Ever heard anyone doing such a report make any mention of the presence of such facilities - you know, in case we were maybe wondering?

Does anyone really wonder why imported produce is contaminated with e.coli and salmonella?


/yuk

290 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:16:00pm

re: #222 Dr. Shalit

A Bit O/T - I have always thought that PM Sharon had a strategy behind the Gaza Withdrawal. Something like - If it Worked, Great! If it didn't, the IDF would not be tied up protecting Israeli Residents of Gaza when conflict broke out. He might have made it work, Olmert obviously hasn't.
Discussion?

-S-

I thought he was going to say to the world, after Gaza became terroristan, that "See what happens when we give land to the Palestinians? No more land will be transferred until they become peaceful. And if they don't stop attacking, we're taking Gaza back."
But even before he had his stroke, I had guessed that might not be the case.
(And yes, I realize much of this happened after his stroke, but it was quite predictable.)

291 sparrowlake  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:16:31pm

re: #285 Carl in Jerusalem

Olmert may be Prime Minister until March.

Yep, and like I said in #272, if there is a war with Iran by March, then all bets will be off and he may well be able to stay on past March.

292 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:21:06pm

re: #290 Kosh's Shadow

293 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:22:37pm

re: #290 Kosh's Shadow

my point in 292 is that there was no master plan. Sharon jus twas saving his own butt, and selling himself to the cheapest buyer (to keep coalition together) the left.

294 scaramouche  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:29:11pm

My Olmert poem:

A disastrous P.M. named Ehud
Never, ever did what he should
He was feckless and blind--
The blithering kind--
Who was always up to no good.

295 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:32:50pm

re: #294 scaramouche


Its not very nice to make fun of the corrupt, traitor PM, whose children live out of Country, and were draft dodgers.

The way things work today....he's a true patriot!

296 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:48:44pm

re: #293 WrathofG-d

my point in 292 is that there was no master plan. Sharon jus twas saving his own butt, and selling himself to the cheapest buyer (to keep coalition together) the left.

Yes, I had meant to say that initially, I thought Sharon had a plan, but I realized later, he didn't.

I give this as my peace plan:
1) Israel conditionally recognizes a Palestinian state on the land they already have. Recognition must be mutual; they must recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Otherwise, Israel retakes control of "Pali" areas.

2) The Palis must stop attacks. They don't have to have 100% results, but 100% effort, including arresting and keeping terrorists incarcerated.
As part of this, if they take no action, every terror attack results in land being permanently annexed by Israel.

3) If the Palis want their area judenrein, then absolutely no "refugees" will be allowed in Israel, and Arabs there will be encouraged to leave for the Pali "state".

4) Any prisoner releases will be like those in other wars. Only conventional military will be released; war criminals will not be. That includes those who attacked civilians while dressed as civilians.

297 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:51:01pm

I like Moshe Feiglin, but as an American? Not my vote!

It is for Israelis to decide. Bibi is OK, but I do not trust him that much.

I would love to see Olmert end up in prison. I am so glad he is not going to run again, and will stand down.

298 NY Nana  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:52:25pm

re: #285 Carl in Jerusalem

Gevalt.

299 RoseSpice  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 12:59:00pm

YEA! Great News for Israel!

Hah! The stage is being set for fabulous things, now!

This kicks butt! Yea for Israel! Hallelujah!

300 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:02:14pm

re: #296 Kosh's Shadow

I like it (sort-of) except for #3. Jews are not lesser beings that can be ethnically cleansed willy-nilly. If the Phakestinians don't like Israelis living in their "palestine" then those Jew or otherwise with Israeli citizenship that wishes to stay Israeli must move to Israel. Any Jew that wishes to stay outside of Israel and become a Palestinian wil do so, and have all rights, and priviledges of such.

If the world is going to insist that all Jews get out of "palestine" then Jews can insist that all non-Jews get out of Israel.

301 RoseSpice  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:02:27pm

re: #174 cutestguy

Oh, yes. Netanyahu is most definitely stepping forward!

YES! AMEN! HALLELUJAH!

302 doorstop  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:04:16pm

Maybe Olmert is leaving to be Obama's running mate.
that should help Obama gett he Anti-Israel vote.

303 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:05:06pm

re: #296 Kosh's Shadow

Yes, I had meant to say that initially, I thought Sharon had a plan, but I realized later, he didn't.

I give this as my peace plan:
1) Israel conditionally recognizes a Palestinian state on the land they already have. Recognition must be mutual; they must recognize Israel as a Jewish state. Otherwise, Israel retakes control of "Pali" areas.

2) The Palis must stop attacks. They don't have to have 100% results, but 100% effort, including arresting and keeping terrorists incarcerated.
As part of this, if they take no action, every terror attack results in land being permanently annexed by Israel.

3) If the Palis want their area judenrein, then absolutely no "refugees" will be allowed in Israel, and Arabs there will be encouraged to leave for the Pali "state".

4) Any prisoner releases will be like those in other wars. Only conventional military will be released; war criminals will not be. That includes those who attacked civilians while dressed as civilians.

More or less what I have always thought of as the most practical path to peace, with Wrath's caveat:

re: #300 WrathofG-d

I like it (sort-of) except for #3. Jews are not lesser beings that can be ethnically cleansed willy-nilly. If the Phakestinians don't like Israelis living in their "palestine" then those Jew or otherwise with Israeli citizenship that wishes to stay Israeli must move to Israel. Any Jew that wishes to stay outside of Israel and become a Palestinian wil do so, and have all rights, and priviledges of such.

If the world is going to insist that all Jews get out of "palestine" then Jews can insist that all non-Jews get out of Israel.

I don't see why the Jewish settlers have to leave the "Palestinian State".

They become Palestinians, and the new country gets on its feet and starts to function. If they try to kick out the Jews, Israel moves back in/for every jew that is kicked out, an arab is kicked out Israel.

304 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:05:19pm

re: #302 doorstop


pretty funny...

however the crazy no-knowledge Anti-Israel types like to pain Olmert as the 2nd Jabotinsky. (if they knew who he was)

305 yochanan  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:06:34pm

re: #107 rlevitin

the last letter is a samach not a final mem

and it also looks like the made a bad copy of a vov
K O D S

306 WriterMom  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:08:38pm

re: #305 yochanan

Yah, I also think it's a samech...so KUDS like AL KUDS possibly.

307 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:08:45pm

re: #189 Adina in Judea

Great post. I would only add that "real peace" may not be within reach, but I think the Israelis will be happy if, at least, there was no violence and no rockets (or much farther and fewer between). And that would be peace enough.

308 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:10:09pm

re: #305 yochanan

the last letter is a samach not a final mem

and it also looks like the made a bad copy of a vov
K O D S

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHH

Damn, that makes sense...

although, the vov there still throws me off when I look at the pic. It looks like a reysh!

309 littleO  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:10:45pm

I don't have a horse in this race, but, I put gas in my car. Oil was droping nicely. Then today, on this news, its jumped more than 5 bucks.
We so need to put the middle east in somekind of working order, become more energy independent, and leave the middle east to middle easterners.
I am sick of all the stupid BS from over there I can't stand it.

310 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:10:55pm

re: #303 rlevitin

This way of thinking (most likely unintentional by Kosh) is what bothered me the most about the "disengagement".

There was an international push for "all Jews out of Gaza", which included Israelis. There was no option for those Jews to instead become "Palestinians". Which, I believe, would have been the most just. Furthermore, the world would never had stood for, let alone encouraged an inverse of that scenerio (where the Arabs leave but the Jews stay) even if we were talking about pre-1967 Israel. (or anywhere for that matter)

It is very similar to how the world ignores the plight of the Jewish refugees that were ethnically cleansed from the other areas of the Middle East, and the "poor palestinians" in Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Egypt, and Lebanon but will not shut up about the "poor 'palestinians'" living in Israel.

The World, and even many kind-hearted Jews, and Western supporters have internalized to normalcy a lesser treatment of Jews. (they have less rights, etc.)

311 yochanan  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:11:36pm

RAK KACK AZL
Z. JABOTINSKI LIVES.

KAHANA problem was it was too much all about kahana.
I think he got the problem with the arabs correct his problem was how to deal with the jews.

312 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:12:14pm

re: #309 littleO

I don't have a horse in this race, but, I put gas in my car. Oil was droping nicely. Then today, on this news, its jumped more than 5 bucks.
We so need to put the middle east in somekind of working order, become more energy independent, and leave the middle east to middle easterners.
I am sick of all the stupid BS from over there I can't stand it.

More than $5? Where do you live? It's down to $3.95 here.

p.s. The Jews don't have any oil or I suspect things would look a might bit different.

313 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:13:38pm

re: #311 yochanan

RAK KACK AZL
Z. JABOTINSKI LIVES.

KAHANA problem was it was too much all about kahana.
I think he got the problem with the arabs correct his problem was how to deal with the jews.

It has been asked that we do not discuss Kahane here, so I will only state that people should read his book: "They Must Go!", and make up their own minds.

314 rlevitin  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:13:46pm

re: #312 marjoriemoon

More than $5? Where do you live? It's down to $3.95 here.

p.s. The Jews don't have any oil or I suspect things would look a might bit different.

I wish Israel had oil.

My dad is convinced the fact that Arabs control all most of the Oil is all part of god's plan. Without that, they would have nothing.

315 lifeofthemind  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:14:17pm

re: #312 marjoriemoon

More than $5? Where do you live? It's down to $3.95 here.

p.s. The Jews don't have any oil or I suspect things would look a might bit different.

Oil not gas.

316 WrathofG-d  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:15:41pm

re: #314 rlevitin

Israel actually has oil. Just not much of it.

When speaking of the Arabs we should remember that they are also part of H'S's covenant through Abraham. Not the "favorite" i remind you, but still part of the convenant.

Thus they get the greats of this world (oil maybe) while Jews get the land and the afterlife.

317 Joel  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:17:58pm

What a cretinous piece of camel excrement Olmert was. The fact that he did not resign 2 years ago shows what an arrogant p***k he is.

318 littleO  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:19:50pm

re#312 magoriemoon:

The market price of crude oil rose 5 bucks. That translate into higher gas prices tommorrow. By the way, it was 3.79 here this mornin'. that won't last but a nanosecond.

319 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:20:01pm

re: #310 WrathofG-d

I know you really hate Sharon, but I think it's shortsighted to completely write him off on what he did with Gaza alone. Gaza wasn't part of biblical Israel anyway. They can have it. And while it's a sin to have removed the Jews in Gaza (and I do agree with you on that) he also expanded other settlements and was instrumental in stopping the intifada. Who else could have done it? For that he deserves praises.

320 yochanan  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:21:51pm

arik or m. begin before they got too much pressure from d.c.

problem with kahanna he wanted to be king

321 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:21:59pm

re: #314 rlevitin

I wish Israel had oil.

My dad is convinced the fact that Arabs control all most of the Oil is all part of god's plan. Without that, they would have nothing.

Eeks, maybe we should blame Moses!

322 marjoriemoon  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:23:20pm

re: #318 littleO

re#312 magoriemoon:

The market price of crude oil rose 5 bucks. That translate into higher gas prices tommorrow. By the way, it was 3.79 here this mornin'. that won't last but a nanosecond.

Gotcha. I read too fast.

Much agreed.

323 USA-4u2nv  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:30:37pm

It's about time!

Say hello to BB-Netanyhu hopefully.
The next Prime Minister needs to have the IDF Elite Duvdevan Force take out that terrorist bastard Samir Kuntar with a missile strike when they locate his hideout!

324 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:30:47pm

re: #318 littleO

The market price of crude oil rose 5 bucks

Latest Bloomberg news is showing only a $1.06 rise (crude oil for September delivery).

325 Occasional Reader  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:33:49pm

re: #324 Occasional Reader

Latest Bloomberg news is showing only a $1.06 rise (crude oil for September delivery).

Nope, scratch that... a later Bloomberg report says "jumped by more than $4 a barrel". But it's only 45 minutes later... did most of the price jump occur at the end of trading?

326 littleO  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:48:28pm

re #325 occasional reader:
I was watching future prices on the boob tube earlier today .

327 nyc redneck  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 1:59:46pm

the very existence of israel is on the line now. they need a prime minister who understands that his job is to kick ass.

328 vapig  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 2:04:48pm

Olmert to resign? YAAAAAAAAAAAY!

329 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 2:10:16pm

re: #300 WrathofG-d

I like it (sort-of) except for #3. Jews are not lesser beings that can be ethnically cleansed willy-nilly. If the Phakestinians don't like Israelis living in their "palestine" then those Jew or otherwise with Israeli citizenship that wishes to stay Israeli must move to Israel. Any Jew that wishes to stay outside of Israel and become a Palestinian wil do so, and have all rights, and priviledges of such.

If the world is going to insist that all Jews get out of "palestine" then Jews can insist that all non-Jews get out of Israel.

That was basically what I was trying to say in 3

In any case, the palis would have to agree to something that they give no indication of accepting, and then lose when they don't deliver, or show the world that they aren't really interested in peace with Israel.
But they'll manage to spin it to be Israel's fault, and most of the world will believe them.

330 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 2:21:47pm

Wow!
Finally a decision I can agree w/ 100%!
Hope the next one has a pair!

331 g3n3r1c  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 2:22:37pm

AND NOT SOON ENOUGH!

332 KathyP  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 3:28:41pm

I haven't read the entire thread, but Cindy Adams, one of the gossip columnists for the NY Post, reported this the other day in her column. She seems to have a remarkable information network and is seldom wrong when making 'predictions.'

333 finallyhere  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 5:10:23pm

[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]

The Nightmare is Not Over Yet

334 kansas  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 5:15:42pm

re: #328 vapig

Olmert to resign? YAAAAAAAAAAAY!

Yes but the peace process is now in limbo. According to Fox News.

335 Rancher  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 5:55:37pm

re: #332 KathyP

I haven't read the entire thread, but Cindy Adams, one of the gossip columnists for the NY Post, reported this the other day in her column. She seems to have a remarkable information network and is seldom wrong when making 'predictions.'

Then by all means keep us informed of her 'predictions'. Things are heating up in Iran, Pakistan, India, and hopefully elsewhere. Sunni Arabia and others want Iran and maybe Syria to go down and would love Israel to do it. Firefights along the Pakistan Indian border. Interesting times as the Arabs say.

336 transient  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 5:56:15pm

re: #107 rlevitin

The caption is misquoting the hebrew... can anyone confirm this?

It says that the missile says "Al-Quds" but the hebrew characters (missing vowels which is why I am having trouble) make the sounds k-r-d-m with vowels where the -'s are.

I think the quote is correct. The Hebrew says "KUDS" (kuf vav daled samech). I grant you that the vav looks like a resh, and samech is easily mistaken as final mem. I would attribute this to the Arabs not having the best Hebrew penmanship rather than media misquote.

337 6pat6  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 6:11:04pm

re: #71 MilkOfMalfeasance

He is the Jimmy Carter of Israeli PM's

An excellent comparison! Olmert was about to finish the job of giving all of the hard-fought gains his nation has made to the terrorists in the name of "peace"...

Attention PM Olmert - Peace is achieved through VICTORY, not capitulation or negotiation! Hopefully your successor will understand this and learn from your foolish mistakes. You were so close to permanently selling Israel down the river. You should hang your head in shame!

338 Aussie Infidel  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 7:32:39pm

Perhaps they could send Olmert to The Hague and the International Criminal Court as well.

We might get a discount for sending a 'bulk load' of miscreants!

339 marc in calgary  Wed, Jul 30, 2008 9:39:29pm

welcome back Benjamin. I've missed you.

340 gman4626  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 12:01:49am

Understand what is Olmert is doing. He is the master of picking his words carefully so you think one thing but leaves him room to do what he wants.

A month ago he announced an agreement with Labor to hold Kadima primaries. Everyone thought that he would not be running then. But Olmert left the door open if he wanted to run.

Now that he has closed that door and he is not running the Kadima primary in September, he is still PM until a new coalition is formed. So if the next elected leader of Kadima cannot put together a new coalition guess what, yes, Olmert is still PM till the next general election, which would be some time in 2009.

Now will Olmert stand up to his word and not interfere with the formation of the next coalition is anyones guess.

So he is doing things that are good for him and make him look good in the eye of the public. The really right thing to do is step down now or to have stepped down last year when the report on the conflict in Lebanon came out. (Since Olmert never officially declared War in Lebanon during the summer of 2006 I can only call it a conflict.)

341 american jewess in jerusalem  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 2:50:58am

re: #313 WrathofG-d

It has been asked that we do not discuss Kahane here, so I will only state that people should read his book: "They Must Go!", and make up their own minds.

WHAT? Who said we cannot discuss Kahane here?

342 Grumpy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 7:33:24am

Lt. Gen.(ret) Moshe Yaalon.
I have met the man, and believe me all those who have, understand clearly what the message is.
If not PM then defence minister.

343 no_mo_jihad  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:48:27am

Queen Tzipi the first will take the throne


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