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Congressman Sherman Turns the Tables on MPAC

Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 9:35:06 am PDT

The radical Islamic front group calling itself the Muslim Public Affairs Council has been trying to get Steven Emerson blocked from giving testimony to the House Subcommittee on Terrorism and Nonproliferation, and yesterday Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman let MPAC know that he’s on to them: Congressman Sherman Turns the Tables on MPAC: Group Tried to Block Emerson Testimony.

Sherman Oaks, CA – On Tuesday, the Muslim Public Affairs Council (MPAC) demonstrated in front of the Office of Congressman Brad Sherman, Chairman of the House Subcommittee on Terrorism and Nonproliferation. The demonstrators demanded the cancellation of a subcommittee hearing on whether American foreign aid is going to organizations affiliated with terrorists.

“This hearing will go on. We need to make sure that the State Department is not giving U.S. tax dollars to those on the other side in the war on terrorism,” said Sherman. “I know there are many in our community so desperate for peace that they want us to sweep under the rug the pro-terrorism positions of some groups. There are groups in the Islamic world truly dedicated to peace, but we should not blind ourselves to the fact that some are not.”

The day of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, MPAC executive Salam Al-Marayati created a furor when he stated on a Los Angeles radio program, “If we are going to look at suspects, we should look at groups that benefit the most from these kinds of incidents, and I think we should put the State of Israel on the suspect list ... ”[1]

Two brothers have played a critical role in leading MPAC. Maher Hathout is a senior adviser and one of the founders of MPAC, while his brother Hassan Hathout served as MPAC’s president.

In the “about the authors” section of his book, Hassan Hathout is described as “a close disciple of the late Hassan Al-Banna of Egypt,”[2] the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Maher Hathout has praised Hassan Al-Turabi as a reformist working for peace and justice for all.[3] Hassan Al-Turabi was head of the Sudan National Islamic Front (NIF) which the U.S. government condemned for supporting terrorism, and for launching a genocidal war in southern Sudan. Al-Turabi has been described as the “power behind the throne” in Sudan during the 1990s, as leader of the NIF and as Speaker of the National Assembly.[4] Turabi gave Osama Bin Laden sanctuary in Sudan.[5]

Maher Hathout has also asserted that “Hezbollah is fighting for freedom” and that the organization is “very American”.[6] In fact, Hezbollah is listed by the State Department as a terrorist organization.

“The Muslim Public Affairs Council should apologize for the statements of its executive director on September 11, 2001, and should disown and sever all connection with the Hathout brothers,” said Sherman.

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1 Macker  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:36:50am

And! He is a Demo☭rat!

2 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:37:31am

I want one of these:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

3 Barry the Baptist  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:37:42am

Quick! Someone get a fatwa out against that damned Sherman!

4 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:37:59am

The Rep for Sherman Oaks is named Sherman?

Talk about free name recognition.

5 quickjustice  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:39:29am

Waxed 'em!

6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:39:32am

How long before the Dem Leaders call in Mr Sherman for a nice long talk?

7 sffilk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:40:01am

The link to the article didn't work. Could someone please repost? Thanks.

8 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:40:26am
“This hearing will go on. We need to make sure that the State Department is not giving U.S. tax dollars to those on the other side in the war on terrorism,” said Sherman.

How sad to think how much better off this country would be if all democrats had this mindset.

9 Macker  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:40:34am

re: #4 karmic_inquisitor

The Rep for Sherman Oaks is named Sherman?

Talk about free name recognition.

He beat Mr. Garibaldi eight years ago, IIRC.

10 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:40:49am

Was this chick outside his office? (posted earlier on the overnight thread)

11 Inquisitive  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:41:01am

This hearing will go on. We need to make sure that the State Department is not giving U.S. tax dollars to those on the other side in the war on terrorism,” said Sherman. “I know there are many in our community so desperate for peace that they want us to sweep under the rug the pro-terrorism positions of some groups.
There are groups in the Islamic world truly dedicated to peace, but we should not blind ourselves to the fact that some are not.”

Wow.... is my eyes reading this correctly or do I need to give them a rest?

12 Dr. Manhattan  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:42:10am

A Dem! Kick ass. Just imagine what we could do with both sides of this country engaging in the WoT! It would have been over years ago, at least domestically.

13 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:42:42am

re: #9 Macker

Good luck today, bud.

14 faraway  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:43:15am

McCain/ Sherman 08

15 Tigger2005  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:46:22am

Sherman...any relation to a certain William Tecumseh?

16 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:46:24am

I'm watching fox and Huckaby is on. He looks like he put his head in a microwave. He is beet red!

17 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:46:56am

re: #14 faraway

McCain/ Sherman 08

Tanks, but no tanks.

18 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:47:59am

re: #16 Nevergiveup

I'm watching fox and Huckaby is on. He looks like he put his head in a microwave. He is beet red!

Did he just spend too much time in the sun, or is he just angry?

/Not watching TV now, so I don't honestly know.

20 Ziggy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:48:39am

I have a tingling sensation going up my leg.

21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:48:58am

Well, this certainly makes me want to give them a state:

Islam world group marches in Gaza for first time

About 3,000 demonstrators waved black flags and shouted slogans calling for a global Islamic government Thursday.

Hizb ut-Tahrir seeks to establish a caliphate that would govern the world according to Islamic law. The group was founded in Jordan in 1953 and is banned in several countries, including Russia, Germany and some Arab states.

The group says it uses nonviolent means but is seen as ideologically close to Jihadist groups.

22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:49:25am

re: #20 Ziggy

I have a tingling sensation going up my leg.

Try walking around some. Your leg fell asleep.

23 Tigger2005  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:49:37am

re: #11 Inquisitive

This hearing will go on. We need to make sure that the State Department is not giving U.S. tax dollars to those on the other side in the war on terrorism,” said Sherman. “I know there are many in our community so desperate for peace that they want us to sweep under the rug the pro-terrorism positions of some groups.
There are groups in the Islamic world truly dedicated to peace, but we should not blind ourselves to the fact that some are not.”

Wow.... is my eyes reading this correctly or do I need to give them a rest?

I like the reference to "those on the OTHER side."

Wow...a Democrat saying there can be a right side and a wrong side? Good & evil? And the evil side isn't Bush/Cheney?

24 Iron Fist  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:49:52am

re: #2 The Other Les

I'm sure they make them for the civillian market, but I bet they are pricey!

25 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:49:53am
26 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:50:46am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, this certainly makes me want to give them a state:

Islam world group marches in Gaza for first time

"Um, OK. Here are the keys to the US."
-President Barack Obama

27 Macker  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:50:52am

re: #18 Honorary Yooper

Did he just spend too much time in the sun, or is he just angry?

Yes.

28 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:51:45am

re: #18 Honorary Yooper

Did he just spend too much time in the sun, or is he just angry?

/Not watching TV now, so I don't honestly know.

Sun I think

29 uncleFuzzy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:52:13am

I applaud Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman.

In my opinion, the letter "D" after the name makes this a bit surprising, but I'm heartened by the action all the same. All other issues aside, if by doing this he can further expose the MPAC to the public, then I support him. However, I consider the odds against him since the news will be filtered by our media and they may not agree with his concern.

30 LindaMarie  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:52:31am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

/my new neighbors.. no welcome wagon gifts from me

31 Barry the Baptist  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:52:55am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What the report did not say was that the group emerged from tunnel 1, marched through the Gaza streets before disappearing into tunnel 2...presumably on a milk run....

32 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:53:09am

I know, the tank is a T-55. But it's still cool.

[Link: varifrank.com...]

33 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:54:02am

Obama is apparently giving an "energy" speech in Grand Rapids Iowa. As of yet no air tire pumps have been seen.

34 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:54:27am

Bullshit rebuttal watch -

Obama campaign denies using race card in "not like other presidents on the dollar bills" remark.


"What Barack Obama was talking about was that he didn't get here after spending decades in Washington," Gibbs said. "There is nothing more to this than the fact that he was describing that he was new to the political scene. He was referring to the fact that he didn't come into the race with the history of others. It is not about race."

He thinks you are THAT stupid.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:54:51am
36 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:55:30am

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

Bullshit rebuttal watch -

Obama campaign denies using race card in "not like other presidents on the dollar bills" remark.


He thinks you are THAT stupid.

What does Washington Experience look like exactly?

37 vxbush  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:55:31am

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

Bullshit rebuttal watch -

Obama campaign denies using race card in "not like other presidents on the dollar bills" remark.


He thinks you are THAT stupid.

Good Lord. That is so lame.

38 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:55:46am

re: #35 buzzsawmonkey

Why would they need them when the candidate is providing the hot air?

Good point!

39 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:56:12am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The group says it uses nonviolent means but is seen as ideologically close to Jihadist groups.

Hizb ut-Tahrir

Critics have suggested that although HT opposes violence, its indoctrination creates an "environment" friendly to violent jihad, or that its opposition to violence is temporary, not general, and that it will support violence when a more favorable opportunity arises. In another New Statesman article, Ziauddin Sardar claims that that while HT "has not, strictly speaking, advocated violence ... it certainly preaches engagement with violence,"[66]. Authors from some conservative American think-tanks (Zeyno Baran of the Nixon Centre, and Ariel Cohen of the Heritage Foundation[1]) have argued that although HT may not promote or engage in violence, it acts as a "conveyor belt" for young Muslims, using its legal status to indoctrinate them before they leave HT to join more extreme groups which may advocate violence.[67] Shiv Malik says Hizb ut-Tahrir "has never been directly implicated in an act of violence"[1] but he argues the idea that HT members may leave the party and move on to violent organizations "is not without foundation." He quotes unnamed intelligence sources saying, "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, al-Qaeda's man in Iraq, is a former member of the Jordanian branch of Hizb. ... the al-Qaeda commander Khalid Sheikh Mohammed also spent time with the party."

According to author Olivier Roy, "the Hizb ut-Tahrir position against the launching of jihad is purely tactical. The organization believes that the time has not yet come for jihad, but that it is a compulsory duty for any Muslim." [68] Globalsecurity.org says much the same thing, calling HT "one of the most secretive fundamentalist Islamic organizations, it remains a radical organization. Hizb ut-Tahrir is not against violence as such. It is just against the use of violence now. But they still think jihad [holy war] is a positive concept."[69]

40 ratherdashing  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:57:01am

Here is his contact page:

[Link: www.house.gov...]

I'm sending him a positive message.

41 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:57:07am

OT:

Sorry, can't help myself...

Half-Blood Prince

42 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:58:41am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, this certainly makes me want to give them a state:

Islam world group marches in Gaza for first time

Its peaceful, is it - oh yeah, like in that old slogan of marching separately but beating the enemy united ...
Any group can claim to be 'peaceful' if it can rely on 'unpeaceful' groups to enforce its message.

(Black flags? Are they anarchists now s well?)

43 Opinionated  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:58:42am

When it comes to Muslims in America, I instinctively remember that:

We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways.

Then I want to knock my head against the wall realizing that our foreign policy is run by an ignorent blind idiot.

44 big L  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 9:59:25am

25-buzzsaw....Har har har, Indoubitably, sherman.

45 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:00:21am

re: #42 yma o hyd

Black flags? Are they anarchists now s well?

the black banner is a symbol of jihad

46 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:00:45am
47 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:01:08am

re: #41 Leonidas Hoplite

OT:

Sorry, can't help myself...

Half-Blood Prince

Looking forward to it.

48 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:01:19am

re: #25 buzzsawmonkey

Question is, does he live on Peabody Street?

The legend begins.

49 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:01:20am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

And of a well-known pesticide.

And the Oakland Raiders!

50 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:02:06am

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

Bullshit rebuttal watch -

Obama campaign denies using race card in "not like other presidents on the dollar bills" remark.


He thinks you are THAT stupid.

Self- defeating as well, if you take their word for it: why would anybody want someone for POTUS if he's got no experience, neither in Washington nor anywhere else.
Community group leader does not qualify you for the job of the most powerful man on the planet.

51 MarauderBob  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:02:31am

OT - Random Jihad Syndrome? Beheading on a Greyhound bus...

Non-buhdist stabbing/beheading on Greyhound bus...

52 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:03:33am

re: #47 Ford_Prefect

Me too. I'm a late comer to HP - but I did like the movies so much that I read all seven books this past Jan.-Feb. Great stuff.

53 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:03:55am

re: #45 Kenneth

the black banner is a symbol of jihad

Interesting - who pinched that from whom, then?

54 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:04:28am

re: #36 Nevergiveup

What does Washington Experience look like exactly?

Consider that neither Washington, Jefferson nor Grant spent "decades in Washington" before assuming office, it looks like the Professor has failed US History once again.

And Franklin and Hamilton didn't spend decades there either. I am trying to think of one face on our currency that has. Not even Lincoln.

55 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:04:34am

re: #49 Nevergiveup

And the Oakland Raiders!

And the NZ All Blacks ...

56 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:04:39am

re: #51 MarauderBob

OT - Random Jihad Syndrome? Beheading on a Greyhound bus...

Non-buhdist stabbing/beheading on Greyhound bus...

And people complain about flying?

57 realwest  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:04:46am

Uh oh. I sure hope Nancy Pelosi doesn't get wind of this or else someone else will wind up chairing that committee.
No joke here folks, remember when Pelosi went to meet with the Syrians and others?
Sherman's got a lot of brass for taking that stand.

58 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:05:18am

re: #34 karmic_inquisitor

Bullshit rebuttal watch -

Obama campaign denies using race card in "not like other presidents on the dollar bills" remark.

He thinks you are THAT stupid.


Well, Geo Washington spent a lot of time in Washington didnt he? We could assume so anyway.

59 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:06:03am

Sherman son of Lieberman. A titanic struggle for the soul of the Democratic party, with guest stars Mothra and those cute 6" Japanese princesses.

60 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:06:12am

re: #58 Eowyn2

Well, Geo Washington spent a lot of time in Washington didnt he? We could assume so anyway.

Well maybe in Mrs.......

61 Macker  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:06:19am

re: #46 buzzsawmonkey

And of a well-known pesticide.

Um, would that be...Black Flag! Yeah, that's it!

/yes I'm being silly...EGD in 2 hrs....nerves

62 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #58 Eowyn2

Well, Geo Washington spent a lot of time in Washington didnt he? We could assume so anyway.

Washington DC didn't exist while he was president, if memory serves.

63 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:06:50am

re: #52 Leonidas Hoplite

Me too. I'm a late comer to HP - but I did like the movies so much that I read all seven books this past Jan.-Feb. Great stuff.

As always the books are better, but they have done a great job with the movies. If only they an finish them before the kids are hitting retirement age.

64 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:05am

re: #58 Eowyn2

Well, Geo Washington spent a lot of time in Washington didnt he? We could assume so anyway.

Ironically, he administered his Presidency from Philadelphia.

65 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:06am

re: #60 Nevergiveup

Well maybe in Mrs.......

You didn't...yup, you did.

66 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:19am
67 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:29am

re: #63 Ford_Prefect

Agree with you on the book/movie thought...and they are getting older! I heard the last book book will be split into to films bracketing holiday 2009

68 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:52am

re: #65 Ford_Prefect

You didn't...yup, you did.

I couldn't help myself. It's a slow day here.

69 Sir Lurksalot  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:52am

How long before the Dems kick him out of the party?

70 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:08:55am

Obama couldn't hold his fire and wait for a racial comment, he had to go ahead and make one anyway. You ain't seen nothing yet compared to what will be said if he loses the election...

71 Iron Fist  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:09:04am

re: #43 Opinionated

We in America know the benevolence that is at the heart of Islam. We've seen it in many ways.


Heavy, heavy sarc. We have seen the benevolence of Islam. Both here at home and abroad. In so many places.

Remember 9-11.

72 filetandrelease  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:09:04am

Let me see if I got this right, BO now states he is different than those earlier Presidents regarded in such high esteem that we as a country place there faces on our currency as a reminder of their greatness? For once I agree with him. He ain't too bright tho.

73 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:09:25am
74 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:09:40am

re: #67 Leonidas Hoplite

Agree with you on the book/movie thought...and they are getting older! I heard the last book book will be split into to films bracketing holiday 2009

Tow films? Show me the money!

75 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:09:43am

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Sad indeed. Boris and Natasha would also go over kids heads, and not just because the Cold War is over.

76 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:10:00am

re: #53 yma o hyd

The black banner of jihad dates back to Mohammad. I don't think the anarchists had it in mind when they started using it in the 19th century. Just a coincidence. Besides, the anarchist flag doesn't say"allah akbar" on it.

77 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:10:02am

re: #73 buzzsawmonkey

He wanted to stay where the good cream cheese was.

I thought he was a flyer's fan?

78 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:10:35am

re: #77 Nevergiveup

I thought he was a flyer's fan?

Nah, musta been for the cheese steaks...

79 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:10:55am

Why wait for the election? Obama has probably already designed the new dollar bill. In fact why settle for just one denomination. Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS.

80 realwest  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:11:05am

re: #61 Macker
Hey Macker - prayers going up for you right now and during your procedure as well!

81 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:11:15am

A democrat congressman from California with his head seemingly on straight. Wonders never cease.

82 Opinionated  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:12:02am

re: #71 Iron Fist

Heavy, heavy sarc. We have seen the benevolence of Islam. Both here at home and abroad. In so many places.

Remember 9-11.

Charles posts about the benevolence of Islam in America maybe half a dozen times a week.

83 Sharmuta  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:12:09am

re: #81 M. Bensson-Levi

A democrat congressman from California with his head seemingly on straight. Wonders never cease.

Between Sherwood and Hunter- there is hope for California.

84 loppyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:12:14am

re: #70 Peacekeeper

Obama couldn't hold his fire and wait for a racial comment, he had to go ahead and make one anyway. You ain't seen nothing yet compared to what will be said if he loses the election...

It will be ugly.

Totally OT

The cd playing right now (Shawn Colvin) is one in my top 10 - and the song "I don't know why" will be a must on my wedding play list - SOMEDAY.

85 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:12:16am

re: #81 M. Bensson-Levi

A democrat congressman from California with his head seemingly on straight. Wonders never cease.


Glad his head is still on, given the opposition...

86 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:04am

re: #83 Sharmuta

Between Sherwood and Hunter- there is hope for California.

Amazin', ain't it?

87 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:10am

re: #52 Leonidas Hoplite

Me too. I'm a late comer to HP - but I did like the movies so much that I read all seven books this past Jan.-Feb. Great stuff.

They're great, fun reads, aren't they?

88 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:19am

re: #84 loppyd

It will be ugly.

Totally OT

The cd playing right now (Shawn Colvin) is one in my top 10 - and the song "I don't know why" will be a must on my wedding play list - SOMEDAY.


Is Shawn Colvin a racist?

89 loppyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:28am

re: #79 Peacekeeper

Why wait for the election? Obama has probably already designed the new dollar bill. In fact why settle for just one denomination. Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS.

Obama Bucks.

90 Iron Fist  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:46am

re: #84 loppyd

You're getting married? Congratulations!

:-þ

91 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:46am

Rush has another "you gave me high blood pressure" caller on. Good stuff.

92 loppyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:13:51am

re: #88 Peacekeeper

Is Shawn Colvin a racist?

LOL

Not that I know of. She is a whitey, though.

93 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:07am

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hamas' Christian convert: I've left a society that sanctifies terror

A moment before beginning his supper, Masab, son of West Bank Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef, glances at the friend who has accompanied him to the restaurant where we met. They whisper a few words and then say grace, thanking God and Jesus for putting food on their plates.

almost thread worthy

94 debutaunt  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:14am

re: #79 Peacekeeper

Why wait for the election? Obama has probably already designed the new dollar bill. In fact why settle for just one denomination. Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS.

Could you break this $20.00 obama for 2 $5.00 obamas and a $10 ?

95 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:15am

re: #76 Kenneth

The black banner of jihad dates back to Mohammad. I don't think the anarchists had it in mind when they started using it in the 19th century. Just a coincidence. Besides, the anarchist flag doesn't say"allah akbar" on it.

Now that is true!
Thanks for the info, though - not a day passes without me learning something new here on LGF.

96 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:31am

re: #87 CyanSnowHawk

Me too. I'm a late comer to HP


Huffing Paint?

97 opnion  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:34am

Let me see if I have this straight. They are demonstrating against even having a hearing, just taking testimony. You know talking.
Islam is like way compatible with Western Democracy.

98 Nevergiveup  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:41am

File this under: I'm going to Disney World!

"Complaint as Italian ferry cabin infested with ticks"

[Link: www.tmb.ie...]

99 loppyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:45am

re: #90 Iron Fist

You're getting married? Congratulations!

:-þ

Um, I said SOMEDAY!

Some stuff is in the works. That's all I'm sayin'.

100 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:14:49am

re: #20 Ziggy

I have a tingling sensation going up my leg.

Sciatica?

101 Vergeltung  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:15:04am

re: #40 ratherdashing

Here is his contact page:

[Link: www.house.gov...]

I'm sending him a positive message.

I just sent one as well.

102 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:15:18am

re: #92 loppyd

RACIST RACISIT

103 akak  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:15:36am

Good for the Congressman!

meanwhile Canadian Border Guards are going to be taking sensitivity training.....

104 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:15:41am

re: #85 Peacekeeper

Glad his head is still on, given the opposition...

Are you referring to the dangers of opposing the dems, or the mussies?

105 opnion  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:01am

re: #94 debutaunt

Could you break this $20.00 obama for 2 $5.00 obamas and a $10 ?

Will you take a ten, a five & five single Obamas?

106 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:03am

re: #79 Peacekeeper

Why wait for the election? Obama has probably already designed the new dollar bill. In fact why settle for just one denomination. Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS.

Very good - especially as they're only symbols, just like he is one, according to himself ...

107 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:06am
108 Opinionated  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:08am

re: #79 Peacekeeper

Why wait for the election? Obama has probably already designed the new dollar bill. In fact why settle for just one denomination. Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS.

On the subject of Obama and the dollar bill.

John McCain's campaign manager is accusing Barack Obama of unfairly using the issue of race, a significant accusation in a campaign featuring the first African-American major party nominee.

"Barack Obama has played the race card, and he played it from the bottom of the deck," said Rick Davis, in a statement issued from the McCain campaign. "It's divisive, negative, shameful and wrong."

Yesterday in Missouri, Obama predicted McCain and the GOP would use racially-tinged attacks against him. "What they're going to try to do is make you scared of me," Obama said. "You know, he doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

[Link: www.politico.com...]

109 The Other Les  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:35am

re: #76 Kenneth

The black banner of jihad dates back to Mohammad. I don't think the anarchists had it in mind when they started using it in the 19th century. Just a coincidence. Besides, the anarchist flag doesn't say"allah akbar" on it.

It only has one "A" on it.

For now...

110 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:41am
111 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:49am

re: #94 debutaunt

Could you break this $20.00 obama for 2 $5.00 obamas and a $10 ?

CHANGE!

112 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:52am

re: #63 Ford_Prefect

As always the books are better, but they have done a great job with the movies. If only they an finish them before the kids are hitting retirement age.

Number 6 is coming out in Nov. and the final (Deathly Hallows), which I think is being split into two movies, comes out in 2010.

113 loppyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:16:53am

re: #102 Peacekeeper

RACIST RACISIT

Yep, that's me.

I even went to one of her concerts rallies.

114 Iron Fist  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:17:12am

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

It's all about the Obamas.

115 realwest  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:17:21am

re: #70 Peacekeeper
Hey PK - we both know why Obama raised it - so racism could be charged at anyone who dares to point out his many, many faults.
Maybe a smart move on his part; we'll have to see how the "non-activist" Dem's react to it.
But I have this sense that the MSM (finally) and the American people (if ya can believe in the polls) are seeing him as waaay too arrogant and presumptuous. And there's no way charges of racism can be legitimately leveled against those charges, especially if the MSM joins in.

116 opnion  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:17:23am

Have they released the name of the radical Lutheran perp from the Canadian Greyhound murder yet?

117 realwest  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:18:43am

re: #99 loppyd
Hey {loppyd} Congratulations! I was wondering when the BF would wake the hell up!

118 opnion  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:18:43am

re: #110 buzzsawmonkey

"I'm all out of Obamas. Oh, bummer!"

Hmm, we only accept Obamas.

119 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:19:13am

re: #115 realwest

I think his ego has swollen so hugely that he is in danger of self parody.

120 opnion  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:19:18am

re: #117 realwest

Hey {loppyd} Congratulations! I was wondering when the BF would wake the hell up!

Real, want me to get that tooth?

121 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:19:26am

re: #66 buzzsawmonkey

Excellent.

Sad thing about Peabody & Sherman is that it would probably be incomprehensible to the kiddies today. You had to know some history to be able to get the jokes, and they don't seem to teach it nowadays.

A good understanding of history would highlight why the left is so wrong on so many things. Really can't have that now, can we. Thus, it is not taught well anymore.

122 Macker  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:19:38am

re: #106 yma o hyd

And like the Canadian $1 coin is named the Looney, their $2 coin the "Twoney"...then "Obamas" could be nicknamed "Dumbos"?

123 Vergeltung  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:19:44am

re: #71 Iron Fist

Heavy, heavy sarc. We have seen the benevolence of Islam. Both here at home and abroad. In so many places.

Remember 9-11.

don't you guys mean Malevolence?

124 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:19:47am

re: #94 debutaunt

Could you break this $20.00 obama for 2 $5.00 obamas and a $10 ?

You are just trying to break us up! You must be a racist!

125 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:20:11am
126 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:20:14am

re: #105 opnion

Will you take a ten, a five & five single Obamas?

You could break a 20 Obama with a 10, three 5's, and a dozen singles, 'cause they'd all be equally worthless.

127 realwest  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:20:27am

re: #120 opnion
Gee, that's awfully thoughtful of you, but NO! Thanks anyway!

128 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:20:33am

When money is Obama all inflation will be racist.

129 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:20:48am
130 avirus  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:21:04am

OT:
Hamas' Christian convert: I've left a society that sanctifies terror
[Link: www.haaretz.com...]
"You Jews should be aware: You will never, but never have peace with Hamas. Islam, as the ideology that guides them, will not allow them to achieve a peace agreement with the Jews. They believe that tradition says that the Prophet Mohammed fought against the Jews and that therefore they must continue to fight them to the death."

131 Macker  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:21:18am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

How many Mugabes can you get for an Obama?

Oh, about a trillion or so....

132 lifeofthemind  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:21:20am

re: #48 karmic_inquisitor

The legend begins.

Thank you very much, you have done a good deed.

133 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:21:49am

re: #113 loppyd

Yep, that's me.

I even went to one of her concerts rallies.

Have you ever been to the Ironhorse Cafe in Nothhampton? If you can stand all the lesbians and libs in town, the Ironhorse is a great place for a concert. They also have great deserts.

134 kulhwch  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:22:18am
Democratic Congressman Brad Sherman let MPAC know that he’s on to them

About time one of the Dhimmicrats got in on the action!

}:)     [<John McClane voice> Welcome to the party, pal!]

135 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:22:43am

re: #118 opnion

Hmm, we only accept Obamas.

/yes we have no Obamas, we have no Obamas today . . .

136 JimmyTheClaw  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:22:56am

hmmm.... i didnt know we had a president named franklin (my favorite bill)

137 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:23:03am

re: #122 Macker

And like the Canadian $1 coin is named the Looney, their $2 coin the "Twoney"...then "Obamas" could be nicknamed "Dumbos"?

Teeheehee!
Just imagined those ears flapping ...

138 patrickafir  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:23:25am

Good for him. Proof that some Dems get it™.

139 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:23:35am

re: #135 Killian Bundy

/yes we have no Obamas, we have no Obamas today . . .

Very nice.

140 Leonidas Hoplite  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:24:10am

re: #87 CyanSnowHawk
Awesome.

141 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:24:23am

re: #135 Killian Bundy

/yes we have no Obamas, we have no Obamas today . . .

Thanks a bunch.

142 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:24:29am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

How many Mugabes can you get for an Obama?

Less than you could get yesterday, thats for sure!

143 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:24:34am

As a Congressman, Sherman has been mostly harmless, afaik. One of Moustachio Waxman's buddies.

144 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:24:54am
145 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:25:02am

re: #132 lifeofthemind

Thank you very much, you have done a good deed.

Ditto.

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:26:07am
147 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:26:23am

re: #93 JimmyTheClaw

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

Hamas' Christian convert: I've left a society that sanctifies terror

A moment before beginning his supper, Masab, son of West Bank Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef, glances at the friend who has accompanied him to the restaurant where we met. They whisper a few words and then say grace, thanking God and Jesus for putting food on their plates.

almost thread worthy

Praise God!

148 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:26:43am

re: #119 Peacekeeper

This is the 4th time Obama has mentioned his raceor drawn a sly reference to his appearance in a campaign speech as a means of attacking his opponents as racists:

1. Obama's campaign manager on April 25, 2008, during National Journal interview:
The vast, vast majority of voters who would not vote for Barack Obama in November based on race are probably firmly in John McCain's camp already.

2. Obama on June 20, 2008, during a Florida stump speech:
"We know what kind of campaign they are going to run. They're going to try to make you afraid. They're going to try to make you afraid of me. He's young. He's inexperienced and he's got a funny name. And, did I mention he's black."

3. Obama on July 24, 2008, during stump speech in Berlin, Germany:
"I know that I don’t look like the Americans who’ve previously spoken in this great city. The journey that led me here is improbable."

4. Obama on July 30, 2008, during a Southern Missouri stump speech:
Democrat Barack Obama, the first black candidate with a shot at winning the White House, says John McCain and his Republican allies will try to scare them by saying Obama "doesn't look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills."

Post-racial my ass.

149 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:27:11am

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

I would have thought more; isn't the Zimbabwe currency plummeting to the point where a million billion skillion trillion is worth about two cents?

Alarmist! Three cents.

150 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:27:18am

re: #96 Peacekeeper

Huffing Paint?

I didn't say that. There is something odd in the way you quoted my #87. I responded to the latecomer (re: #52 Leonidas Hoplite).

151 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:27:28am

re: #94 debutaunt

Could you break this $20.00 obama for 2 $5.00 obamas and a $10 ?

How many Obamas to a Galleon?

152 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:27:47am

re: #136 JimmyTheClaw

hmmm.... i didnt know we had a president named franklin (my favorite bill)

How could you forget Franklin Pierce?

153 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:27:53am
154 M. Bensson-Levi  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:28:24am

re: #148 Kenneth

This is the 4th time Obama has mentioned his raceor drawn a sly reference to his appearance in a campaign speech as a means of attacking his opponents as racists:

Post-racial my ass.

Hear, hear!

155 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:28:38am

re: #150 CyanSnowHawk

I didn't say that. There is something odd in the way you quoted my #87. I responded to the latecomer (re: #52 Leonidas Hoplite).

Eveading the question I see...fumes getting to you? You need help man.
:P

156 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:29:25am
157 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:29:43am

Obama's just waiting for the slightest whiff of a race gaffe so he can pounce.

158 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:30:25am

re: #148 Kenneth

It seems to be getting more frequent. Do I smell desperation?

159 realwest  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:30:32am

re: #148 Kenneth
Excellent post my friend - really quite good. Almost seems as if Obama DOES want this to be an out and out fight over race (started, of course, by Republicans) doesn't it?

160 Sifty  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:30:48am

Sherman is our guy here in the Valley, sad to say.

Kudos to Sherman for growing a pair about this one issue.

Now if he was just a little less of a socialist about everything else.

He is awful on immigration so I guess if CAIR was trying to sneak into the US and get on Welfare and Food Stamps Sherman would be cool with it.

161 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:32:09am

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

I would have thought more; isn't the Zimbabwe currency plummeting to the point where a million billion skillion trillion is worth about two cents?

They devalued and reset the currency this week. You couldn't buy a loaf of bread with Z$100,000,000,000 and their calculators and computers couldn't handle the strain. (Yes that is the exact reason I read for the new currency.)

162 wolfie  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:32:55am

re: #115 realwest

I expect the MSM to continue to shill for Obama. It will be as it was w/ Bill Clinton, with many individuals privately disturbed by certain attributes of their candidate while nevertheless defending and promoting him.

A lot of the American people, on the other hand, are going to get sick of this stuff PDQ.
My brother and SIL ....she's 1/2 black, BTW.....are registered Democrats and can't stand the Obamassiah. Too bad they are residents of PRico because both say they would vote for McCain.
(They have sent McCain money!)

163 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:33:09am

re: #155 Peacekeeper

Eveading the question I see...fumes getting to you? You need help man.
:P

LOL (Sniff!)

164 Slumbering Behemoth  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:33:10am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

That second one is pretty weak. All talk about a McCain attack ad, without a single audio/video reference to the ad in question. Not very compelling.

/first one was pretty funny, though

165 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:33:33am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

I will do no such thing. Obama is an empty suit with absolutely no experience, I will continue to point out that Obama's repeated attempts to throw his history under the bus will not go unremarked upon.

His flacks, who spin furiously to deal with his latest gaffe talk about how he's got a different history than others who have sought the Presidency.

I'll say.

He's clearly got the least experience of anyone seeing the office as a major candidate in decades. Definitely since the early 1900s. No one else even comes close (Alton Parker, loser in 1904 was Chief Judge of NY's high court).

166 Inquisitive  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:34:15am

re: #79 Peacekeeper

Why wait for the election? Obama has probably already designed the new dollar bill. In fact why settle for just one denomination. Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS.

My same thoughts..... on earlier on over night thread thread....#944 Wow, I never even thought about our money system, but of course he would, because MR. Arrogant is already designing the new currency his pic will be on, and I am sure it won't be on any CHANGE.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

167 wolfie  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:34:27am

re: #119 Peacekeeper

I think his ego has swollen so hugely that he is in danger of self parody.

Opening his address to Congress with "This is the moment the world has been waiting for" strikes you as egomaniacal?
Racist!

168 Fat Jolly Penguin  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:34:27am

Aw. Now the lefties are whining that people are making fun of the Messiah™.

169 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:34:35am

re: #161 CyanSnowHawk

The inflation rate there may be as high as 12.5 million percent. Mugabe's socialism in action. And you'll get prison if you complain otherwise.

170 Cygnus  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #98 Nevergiveup

File this under: I'm going to Disney World!

"Complaint as Italian ferry cabin infested with ticks"

[Link: www.tmb.ie...]

She was really ticked off about that. A really lousy experience.

171 yma o hyd  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:35:00am

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

I would have thought more; isn't the Zimbabwe currency plummeting to the point where a million billion skillion trillion is worth about two cents?

But they cut two zeros off all their currency yesterday, iirc?

172 Kenneth  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:35:11am

re: #159 realwest

Back when Obama gave his Philadelphia speech in defense of Rev. Wright, (& before he threw Wright under the bus) I pointed out the contradiction to a couple of moonbat acquaintances: Obama insists he's "post-racial" but his speech included a subtext that you are a racist if you don't agree with him, if you don't vote for him, or if you criticize Rev. Wright.

The moonbats, both white, called me a racist.

173 Spider Mensch  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:37:58am

...

174 Opinionated  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:39:17am

re: #43 Opinionated

Look at that, five down dings [so far].

No one told me that the Condi Rice fan club was meeting here today.

175 reloadingisnotahobby  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:45:13am

re: #2 The Other Les
Me too!
Are they cheaper by the dozen?

176 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:45:22am

re: #51 MarauderBob

OT - Random Jihad Syndrome? Beheading on a Greyhound bus...

Non-buhdist stabbing/beheading on Greyhound bus...

Unholy f@#%$#T&^

Used to be that all we had to worry about on buses was the pervs sitting behind us.

Now people have to worry about getting stabbed in our sleep.
Having ridden the bus and undergone the security, I'm not sure how the guy got the knife on board but where there's a will there's a way.

What was the perps final destination per his ticket? Was it Winnepeg or was it Dearborn?

177 jorline  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:45:47am

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

How many Mugabes can you get for an Obama?

None...you have to have two nuts to trade for a Mugabe.

178 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:46:33am

re: #65 Ford_Prefect

You didn't...yup, you did.


somebody had too.

179 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 10:56:54am

All reparations will be paid in Obamas.

/do not pass Go, do not collect 200 Obamas

180 rawmuse  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 11:30:20am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

Video: Leave Obama alone!
Heh.

I could not get thru that one. Too many murderous impulses streaming in to the reptilian cortex.

181 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 11:35:39am

re: #54 karmic_inquisitor

Consider that neither Washington, Jefferson nor Grant spent "decades in Washington" before assuming office, it looks like the Professor has failed US History once again.

And Franklin and Hamilton didn't spend decades there either. I am trying to think of one face on our currency that has. Not even Lincoln.

FDR was Navy Secretary, but I don't think he was in DC that long.

182 Annar  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 11:49:45am

For 200 Obamas, two houses and a Get Out of Jail Free Card you Can get a hotel on Illinois Ave.

183 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 11:52:39am

re: #165 lawhawk

Obama is an empty suit with absolutely no experience

Sing it!

184 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 11:55:46am

re: #161 CyanSnowHawk

How much worse does it need to get there?

185 WriterMom  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 11:56:01am

ACK. I be a thread killer.

186 PloniAlmoni  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 7:44:44pm

Brad Sherman is the man. Great guy.

187 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 8:08:53pm

re: #176 Eowyn2

re: #176 Eowyn2

Unholy f@#%$#T&^

Used to be that all we had to worry about on buses was the pervs sitting behind us.

Now people have to worry about getting stabbed in our sleep.
Having ridden the bus and undergone the security, I'm not sure how the guy got the knife on board but where there's a will there's a way.

What was the perps final destination per his ticket? Was it Winnepeg or was it Dearborn?

What security would that be? I've ridden the bus (from Columbus, OH to Hbg, PA and a few other routes in the last few years) and there's no "security" no "wanding" no xray machines etc. Unlike airlines who are helped out by the airport and federal governmetn etc the bus lines can't afford that and still operate. The biggest "security" the bus lines have is a poster and a sticker that say "no weapons allowed on the bus"... but no-one frisks you to get on the bus...

188 anotherindyfilmguy  Thu, Jul 31, 2008 8:09:24pm

oh and they have that so effective barrier for the driver...

189 B_Dix  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:19:17am

Referring to
============================================
#171 yma o hyd 7/31/08 10:35:00 am

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

I would have thought more; isn't the Zimbabwe currency plummeting to the point where a million billion skillion trillion is worth about two cents?

But they cut two zeros off all their currency yesterday, iirc?
============================================

I think they devalued by TEN (10) zeros? Ten billion dollars (old) becomes one dollar (new).
[Link: ap.google.com...]
See, the US economy isn't soooo bad....

190 desertbrat  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 9:47:56pm

re: #79 Peacekeeper

#79 Put his face on them all and rename them OBAMAS


OBAMONEY?


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