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NYT Board: McCain 'Celeb' Ad is Racist, But We're Not Saying Why

Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 10:33:08 am PDT

From the Stunning Leap of Illogic Department, a post at the New York Times editorial board “blog” accuses the McCain campaign of running a racist advertisement—that “Celeb” ad featuring images of Paris Hilton and Britney Spears.

I had to read this twice to try to understand the point, and I’m still not sure I do. But they seem to be saying that simply putting an image of a white woman in an advertisement about Barack Obama is, prima facie, racist.

Say What? John McCain, Barack Obama, and the Race Card.

We know that operatives in modern-day presidential campaigns are supposed to say things that everyone knows are ridiculous — and to do it with a straight face.

Still, there was something surreal, and offensive, about today’s soundbite from the campaign of Senator John McCain.

The presumptive Republican nominee has embarked on a bare-knuckled barrage of negative advertising aimed at belittling Mr. Obama. The most recent ad compares the presumptive Democratic nominee for president to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton — suggesting to voters that he’s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

The ad gave us an uneasy feeling that the McCain campaign was starting up the same sort of racially tinged attack on Mr. Obama that Republican operatives ran against Harold Ford, a black candidate for Senate in Tennessee in 2006. That assault, too, began with videos juxtaposing Mr. Ford with young, white women.

They don’t spell out their ugly implications, and I’m not going to try to guess. But they do know that Barack Obama was just “calling McCain on the ploy” with his race-baiting response (never mind that this little zinger is a standard feature of Obama’s speeches):

Mr. Obama called Mr. McCain on the ploy, saying, quite rightly, that the Republicans are trying to scare voters by pointing out that he “doesn’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills.’’

In the tank.

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1 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:35:21am

This really should be viewed as an "in kind" contribution. Then again, so should most of the NYT election coverage.

2 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:35:32am

"It's just racist; trust us."

/

3 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:36:13am
Mr. Obama called Mr. McCain on the ploy, saying, quite rightly, that the Republicans are trying to scare voters by pointing out that he “doesn’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills.’’

I guess both obama and the nyt fail to realize that it's obama who keeps pointing out he doesn't look like the men on our money.

4 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:36:45am
5 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:36:47am

You should see the NYT blog. They've all bought this crap. I feel as if I am living in bizarro world.

[Link: theboard.blogs.nytimes.com...]

6 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:37:05am
In the tank.

Indeed.

7 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:37:34am
8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:37:44am

This from the same people who think art consists of pissing on Jesus.

Close minded ammoral degenerates with their noses in the air.

9 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:37:47am

obama is a celebrity is racist?
he is on the front cover of every celebrity mag, he campaigns with oprah, and appears regularly on 'entertainment' oriented shows. He is a celebritard.

10 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:37:54am

It's kind of like South Park "underpants gnomes" logic:

Step 1: Create ad pointing out Obama's weird celebrity status

Step 2: ?

Step 3: RACIST AD!

11 Antilles  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:37:58am

Any criticism or comment about Obama is racist.

Haven't you people figured that out yet?

12 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:38:08am

All bull, no hat?

13 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:38:45am

To me it shows that THEY are innately racist.

14 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:38:47am

It is racist because it doesn't fawn over Obama.

Any opposition it Obama is racism.

15 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:38:55am

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

That McCain ad was "bareknuckled?" Only if the knuckles belong to Fluffy Joe the Marshmallow Man.

Next they'll be comparing him to Bull Connor.

/nightsticks, firehoses, german shepherds; you know the drill

16 joncelli  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:39:00am

Anybody want to bet that the NYT will come up with an October surprise that just happens to benefit the O man? Five bucks. Anybody?

17 Pythagoras  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:39:06am

Ben Franklin was president?!?

18 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:39:19am
The most recent ad compares the presumptive Democratic nominee for president to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton — suggesting to voters that he’s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

1) He IS a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

2) It has nothing to do with his race and everything to do with him being a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

19 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:39:54am

re: #17 Pythagoras

Ben Franklin was president?!?

And Alexander Hamilton.

20 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:39:54am

re: #17 Pythagoras

Ben Franklin was president?!?

Alexander Hamilton was president? Who knew?

21 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:40:07am

How do you arrive at racist when you are simply comparing him to two celebrities? Oops - they happened to be white. I thought we were color blind nowadays.

22 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:40:07am

Obama is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

23 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:40:20am

Related: Dean Sulzberger places McCain on Double Super Secret Probation.

24 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:40:45am

re: #5 satan sidekick

That's what this thread is about.

25 Wearyman  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:08am

THOU SHALT NOT CRITICIZE OBAMESSIAH, LEST YE BE LABELED A RACIST.

So Sayeth the New York Times, So Say We All.

/libtard mantra

26 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:08am

These are the people that are constantly offended for other people - which aren't really offended.

27 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:10am

re: #22 medaura18586

Obama is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Except that you know you probably won't like it.

28 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:14am

re: #14 karmic_inquisitor

Indeed, and get ready to hear more of it. It'll be even worse if Obama wins. Any opposition to his plans, no matter how hare-brained Leftist they are, will be called "racism".

29 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:14am

Anything that is not outright worship and fawning of the Obamassiah is racist and won't be condoned by the MSM. Of course there is no bias involved whatsoever.

30 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:42am

re: #22 medaura18586

Racist!

31 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:48am

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

That McCain ad was "bareknuckled?" Only if the knuckles belong to Fluffy Joe the Marshmallow Man.

I wouldn't want to be stepped on by Mr. Stay Puft.

32 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:50am

You lizards who trade: NYT seems to have a short term resistance line under $12.50.

33 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:41:58am

And if they put up Black celebs?

It's obvious that you can't win either way.

The MEssiah must not be mocked.

34 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:11am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

You thought it was chocolates but it was really a box of ex-lax is more like it.

35 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:25am
36 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:31am

Charles -

You have to put on the ultra uber white guilt hat to see the "racism" that NYT sees.

That assault, too, began with videos juxtaposing Mr. Ford with young, white women.

That is the entire allegation.

As in "Where da white wimin at?" line in Blazing Saddles.

It is as big a stretch as I have seen in a long time.

37 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:33am

re: #28 Iron Fist

Indeed, and get ready to hear more of it. It'll be even worse if Obama wins. Any opposition to his plans, no matter how hare-brained Leftist they are, will be called "racism".

They'll have a new cabinet-level department, headed by the Secretary of Race.

/maxine waters

38 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:34am

Actually, it was.

39 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:37am

Of course it's racist...

Any Republican attack against The Lightworker is racist...

40 sngnsgt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:38am

re: #22 medaura18586

Obama is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Especially when you get the funny tasting nut kind.

41 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:42:49am

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This from the same people who think art consists of pissing on Jesus.

Close minded ammoral degenerates with their noses in the air.

Given what they've passed off as art they have to keep their noses in the air.

42 Power Armored Lizardoid  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:14am
suggesting to voters that he’s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity.

Hmmm...Don't really see a problem with thinking of Barry in that manner...Doesn't quite as accurate as it could be though...

suggesting to voters that he’s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking Marxist celebrity.

That's better...

43 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:15am
44 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:16am

If they had used Snoop and Dr. Dre instead of Paris and Britney would they still consider the ad racist? Yes. It's clear that no matter who was featured in the ad they would still cry racism.

45 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:20am

re: #22 medaura18586

Obama is like a box of chocolates.


Oh, the New York Times editorial board just burst into tears. Racist!

46 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:24am

re: #34 satan sidekick

You thought it was chocolates but it was really a box of ex-lax is more like it.

I thought it was the last thread that was about running.

47 jjag  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:33am

Obama wins when he ignores anything involving "race". It makes him appear to be the bigger, stronger, person.

When anyone whines (about anything) they lose. Unless an add or a statement is undeniably racist, the best way to address it is to either ignore it or point immediately to SUBSTANTIVE issues.

Unfortunately (for Obama) he seems incapable of doing anything substantive so all there is to play is the race/identity politics card.

Oh, and likewise for McCain whining about media bias. The best he can do is zing them, with humor, occasionally when REALLY biased coverage appears.

Strength is attractive. Whining weakness isn't.

48 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:35am

re: #33 Ben Hur

Yup, I just arrived at the same conclusion.

49 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:36am

You're all looking at it all wrong. the NYT is actually calling Paris Hilton and Britney Spears Racists, for not looking like Obama !

50 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:46am

re: #16 joncelli

Anybody want to bet that the NYT will come up with an October surprise that just happens to benefit the O man? Five bucks. Anybody?

They will print stories on the Keating Five...

51 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:43:49am

re: #4 Noam Sayin'

He wore a blazing saddle...

Didn't see you post before I posted mine.

You have the allegation right there.

Insane.

52 Pythagoras  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:44:14am

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Alexander Hamilton was president? Who knew?

Only "the one." The rest of us just can't keep up with "him."

53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:44:35am

Maybe the ad was racist because there weren't enough black people in it?

54 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:45:03am

re: #40 sngnsgt

Especially when you get the funny tasting nut kind.

Are we talking about googling Obama's nuts again?

55 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:45:11am

re: #16 joncelli

Anybody want to bet that the NYT will come up with an October surprise that just happens to benefit the O man? Five bucks. Anybody?

Memo from the Hanoi Hilton typed with WordPerfect set in the Courier New font so it won't be so obviously phony.

56 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:45:27am

Its the NYT....What do you expect from the Official Democrat Party Marketing Organization?

57 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:45:35am

re: #17 Pythagoras


Call me slow but what are you all referring to about Franklin being president?

58 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:45:48am

the nyslimes are aiming to beat their latest record loss of 82% in revenue for the last quarter. Continuing down this path will continue to reduce their monies, from ad sales and loss subscriptions, and more layoffs will occur (which isn't a bad thing).

59 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:45:50am

re: #17 Pythagoras

Ben Franklin was president?!?

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Alexander Hamilton was president? Who knew?

They were the 1st and 2nd presidents of states 51 thru 57,, or 58 ,,, or 59 ,,,

60 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:46:25am

I can explain it:

Blah blah blabbedly blah blah [insert useless explanation bliterhing here] blah blah BECAUSE OBAMA IS OUR SAVIOR and YOU WILL NOT CRITICIZE HIM.

61 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:46:34am

re: #51 karmic_inquisitor

Didn't see you post before I posted mine.

You have the allegation right there.

Insane.

Just wait'll the McCain campaign unveils their "Obama is near!" ad.
Boy, will the NYT be unhappy.

62 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:46:44am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

Oh, the New York Times editorial board just burst into tears. Racist!

Why, there is such a thing of white chocolate too! It is not their brownness or the whiteness that makes a box of chocolates full of, ehem, tasty, surprises: it's the texture and flavor...

63 freedomplow  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:46:48am

If you saw racism in that ad it says much more about you than anything else.

64 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:47:11am

re: #58 newsjunkie_ky

Ooooooh, keep talking!

65 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:47:13am

re: #62 medaura18586

such a thing as white chocolate*

damn... typing with my feet here

66 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:47:29am

re: #63 freedomplow

RACIST!

/it had to be said

67 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:47:43am

I love Alexander Hamilton but I'm glad he was never president.

68 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:47:45am

re: #63 freedomplow


Now that comes closer to the truth than anything else.

69 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:48:05am

OT OT OT...


Ya'll seen this yet?

Tales from the Crypt!
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Is that backbone I'm seeing?

70 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:48:14am

re: #11 Antilles

I've heard it so often that it doesn't even register anymore.

71 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:48:18am

re: #39 tfc3rid

Yep.

72 RYO the mole  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:48:36am

McCain must be somewhat reminded of the Vietnam War in that he's having to fight (once again) with one hand tied behind his back. Good luck to him.

73 geata  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:02am

re: #70 Dianna

I've heard it so often that it doesn't even register anymore.

Very true

74 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:12am

re: #26 Ben Hur

Ben, did you check out 'Stuff White People Like'?

That's exactly what he pokes fun at.

Actually OR-you would like it too.

75 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:14am

And if McCain had used black female celebrities in the ad portraying them as shallow they would accuse him of being a racist.

76 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:19am

Now Obama goes to Berlin and claims he "does not look like other Americans" that have spoken there, ignoring prominent black Republican Americans who have done so. Then he attacks McCain for criticizing him because he does not look like the guys on the "dollar bills." Then his campaign states he really was just talking about his youth and level of experience. So when did he compare himself to Jack Kennedy in his Berlin speech if he wasn't talking about race? True that he would not compare favorably to Kennedy if closely examined but it would be a start. The truth is he is just a bobbing and weaving fraud artist stumbling from lie to lie.

77 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:38am
78 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:47am

re: #5 satan sidekick

You should see the NYT blog. They've all bought this crap. I feel as if I am living in bizarro world.

You ARE living in Bizaro World!

79 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:49:59am

Actually, it would be interesting to document how Obama has pulled out his pukey little 'jokes' about race-just for the record.

80 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:50:40am
Still, there was something surreal, and offensive, about today’s soundbite from the campaign of Senator John McCain.

No- what's offensive is for elitists like obama and the nyt to tell me that judging obama based on the content of his character (or lack thereof) is somehow racist. It's utterly preposterous and I don't think it will fly with the American electorate as a whole. I think both obama and the nyt fails to realize just how much blowback this tactic might create.

81 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:50:50am

I walk by Alexander Hamilton's grave nearly everyday. And I give it the finger. haha, not really, but I'm not a great fan of the man.

82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:50:52am

re: #62 medaura18586

Why, there is such a thing of white chocolate too! It is not their brownness or the whiteness that makes a box of chocolates full of, ehem, tasty, surprises: it's the texture and flavor...

Crunchy Frog. Is it some kind of mock frog?

83 yochanan  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:50:59am

re: #22 medaura18586

Obama is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

you are eather going to get FRUITS OR NUTS

84 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:20am

tfc3rid,
Hey, I'm coming to NYC and nyc redneck, nosubmission, and perhaps others(?) are going to get together for lunch.
email me.
And if any other NYC are Lizards are interested, email me or be on the lookout for nyc redneck or nosubmission to post.

85 filetandrelease  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:23am

If you don't vote for Obama you are a racist. If you disparage him in any way you are a racist. What crap.

I am a Southern White Male who, as many here know, 2 months ago was going to vote for Obama (against McCain). It is not my fault he is further left than Mao. And an idiot.

Isn't the U.S. the most ethnically mixed country in the world?

In my experience conservatives don't care what race a person is, their religion, male or female. We want the best person for the job.

This race baiting from the left has needs to stop. What bigots.

86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:28am
Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) and other GOP leaders opposed the motion to adjourn the House, arguing that Pelosi's refusal to schedule a vote allowing offshore drilling is hurting the American economy. They have refused to leave the floor after the adjournment motion passed at 11:23 a.m. and are busy bashing Pelosi and her fellow Democrats for leaving town for the August recess

[Link: www.politico.com...]

87 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:37am

re: #2 Ward Cleaver

"It's just racist; trust us."

/

Kind of the way OJ's trial wasn't celebrity, but racist.

88 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:38am

re: #77 taxfreekiller

Burr challenged Hamilton. Hamilton fired into the air. Burr shot to kill.

No free shots indeed!

89 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:39am

White chocolate?

GLECH.

90 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:51:45am

re: #77 taxfreekiller

He tried to cheat, and it caught up with him.

91 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:52:18am
In the tank.

Excuse me Charles, but that's a racist statement. "In the tank" of course is reminiscent of a holding tank, and you're attempting to subliminally associated Obama with the shockingly high number of black men who are incarcerated in America. And/or, by dropping a hint of a battle tank, you're trying to play on white America's deep fears of the concept of black men in control of heavy weaponry. Either way, it amounts to the same thing: Racism.

For your penance, you shall say 100 "Hail Michelles", and donate $1000 to the Obama campaign.

92 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:52:26am

re: #84 newsjunkie_ky

Oh that sounds like fun. Enjoy.

93 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:52:34am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Crunchy Frog. Is it some kind of mock frog?

"Mock Frogs? We use no artificial ingredients of any kind."

94 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:52:46am

IIRC- I think Britney is a republican. If anyone should be offended by this ad, it's her.

95 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:52:46am

re: #81 medaura18586

I walk by Alexander Hamilton's grave nearly everyday. And I give it the finger. haha, not really, but I'm not a great fan of the man.


Of the many vile and stupid things you have said here this sets a standard.
Alexander Hamilton, the man who was not President but should have been.

96 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:52:57am

Is it racist that Paris Hilton is on film using the N-Word? And mocking "Public school" kids even though she's a drop out?

97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:14am

re: #93 Ford_Prefect

"Mock Frogs? We use no artificial ingredients of any kind."

Constable Clitoris ate one of those!

98 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:35am

re: #84 newsjunkie_ky

tfc3rid,
Hey, I'm coming to NYC and nyc redneck, nosubmission, and perhaps others(?) are going to get together for lunch.
email me.
And if any other NYC are Lizards are interested, email me or be on the lookout for nyc redneck or nosubmission to post.

Please get back to me, link at my blog I hope.

99 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:37am

re: #52 Pythagoras

I will never forget sitting in a course, and we were asked who was on each bill. We got to the ten, I said, "Alexander Hamilton."

One of the young women asked, "Which president was he?"

I screamed and buried my head in my arms. "First secretary of the treasury," I whimpered. "Killed in a duel with Aaron Burr in 1804." Whimper.

100 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:41am

More of the same of Boykin's "secret words" theory.

/You know they're there. C'mon.

101 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:43am

re: #85 filetandrelease


I am a Southern White Male

You're f*cked by default.

102 brent  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:44am

Hey, comparing our lightweight of a candidate to the spoiled daugher of a hotel magnate is something, so - rolling my 20 sided die now - I am deciding it to be "racist". I hereby inflict 6 points damage to your campaign, with a follow up roll for your family likability.

I wish that didn't sound familiar at all, even if it's 30 years back familiar...

Oh brother, are these guys really even journalist wannabes?

103 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:53:56am

re: #92 WriterMom
Wish you could come. That would be lots of fun.

104 mingjaiyo  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:54:40am

I see nothing racist in the ad at all. I'm not certain exactly how effective an ad it is or what it's effect will be on the "independents" that may see it. That being said, Obama has created his own "cult of personality" and feeds it every chance he gets either through the words of celebrity endorsers such as Oprah annointing him "the One" and him using language like " we are the ones we have been waiting for" and "I have become a symbol of hope" (disregarding the context of that qoute). He has pushed his own celebrity meme with his own words and deeds. I am getting mighty tired of the Obama camp trying to label the Mccain camp( and Republican's in general) as trying to interject "race" into the race. I can think of no one person on the McCain campaign staff,nor any sitting in office or retired Republican making racist statements directed at Obama. The only folks I hear injecting race in the campaign are Democrats including members of Obama's staff and he himself. This game being played is nothing more than the oldest in the book of politics -bait and switch.Accuse your opponent of something he/she hasn't ever done,but force them to deny it to make them look bad. I am hopeful that most Americans will see through this charade and not put O into office come Novemeber. Of course then we who voted against him will all be accused of being "racist". The whole situation is revolting. New politics my ass...this type of garbage goes back to ancient Athens.

105 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:54:42am

re: #91 Occasional Reader

For your penance, you shall say 100 "Hail Michelles"

Heheheheh.

So-for a thousand bucks do you get absolute absolvement? What are the levels:

$1000 > 100 Hail Michelle's

10,000 > free arugala salad for life

100,000 > seats with your name on a plaque at Jerimiah Bullfrog church

106 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:20am

re: #101 Ben Hur

Default can be a big bitch, too.

107 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:24am

re: #86 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

[Link: www.politico.com...]

And the Dem talking point which will end up being a NYTIMES editorial and all over the MSM is that the Republicans are just trying to score political points and don't really care about drilling.

108 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:25am

re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Constable Clitoris ate one of those!

"It's a fair cop."

109 addison  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:26am

Projection is such an ugly thing. But we have years of New York Times editorials to show thought and logic are not strong with them.

McCain's campaign making an ad explicitly about celebrity that happens to feature two well-known women who happen to be White is racist but Michelle Obama explicitly demanding more White people be on the podium (because there were, I suppose, too many Black people) behind Barack Obama was not. Such is the sad world in which we live.

110 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:30am

re: #82 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Crunchy Frog. Is it some kind of mock frog?

Ahhhhhh - crunchy frog and peaches - yum!

111 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:41am

Obambi made this claim long before the ad came out.
He made it in Florida more than a month ago.
As for his denial it was about race:

Obama Aide Concedes 'Dollar Bill' Remark Referred to His Race

112 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:55:49am

re: #103 newsjunkie_ky

I'll be thinking of you and sending positive Lizard Lunch vibes your way.

113 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:56:11am

re: #78 Thor-Zone


What are you talking about? People calling McCain a racist on the NYT blog when it's not even close to reality is like bizarro world.

114 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:56:31am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

If they had used Snoop and Dr. Dre instead of Paris and Britney would they still consider the ad racist? Yes. It's clear that no matter who was featured in the ad they would still cry racism.

Then it would have been even MORE racist.

As you say, there's no winning here, and the more devastating (and accurate) the attacks against Obama, the more "racist" they are.

To their credit, they've already responded in kind, but every time Obama's people yell "Racism", McCain's campaign should remind people that criticism doesn't equate to racism.

To be POTUS *is* to face a constant barrage of criticism. That's part of the job description. Do we really need a US President who whines about racism every time he's criticized for the next 4 years?

115 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:56:38am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe the ad was racist because there weren't enough black people in it?

Sure.
Trust the Germans for not being black enough ...

116 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:56:44am

re: #55 The Other Les

Memo from the Hanoi Hilton typed with WordPerfect set in the Courier New font so it won't be so obviously phony.

"Dear Ho Chi Minh: I am very happy to be cooperating with all you guys and providing all sorts of military secrets to my communist overlords. Boy, do I ever hate America! Uncle Ho, please keep this letter secret, and don't e-mail it to anyone; I sure wouldn't want it to hurt me if I ever run for President one day.

Signed, John McCain
Dated: April 1, 1970

p.s. this letter is not fake"

117 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:56:50am

re: #27 Ford_Prefect

re: #22 medaura18586

Obama is like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get.

Except that you know you probably won't like it.

Crunchy frogs?!

118 Pythagoras  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:56:54am

re: #57 satan sidekick

Call me slow but what are you all referring to about Franklin being president?

"The one" said that McCain was a racist because "he" ("the one") didn't look like the presidents on dollar bills.

It's all a gaggle of non-sequiturs. We are responding with silly questions about dollar bills and presidents.

If you try to exegete his comment logically (and that would be REALLY silly), Obama is saying that he doesn't look like the presidents on dollar bills but maybe he DOES look like Franklin & Hamilton.

The real reason he shouldn't be president is that he's a doofus. Now watch, someone will find evidence that doofus is a racist term and this thing will find another level of silliness.

Is politics entertaining or what?

119 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:57:26am

re: #107 Ben Hur

And the Dem talking point which will end up being a NYTIMES editorial and all over the MSM is that the Republicans are just trying to score political points and don't really care about drilling.

So far only Rush and the blogs are covering this.

The MSM are a bunch of commie whores.

120 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:57:38am

re: #98 lifeofthemind
Couldn't find contact info.

121 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:57:43am

They are pitching a fit over this ad because of it's real content- energy.

obama doesn't want to do jack about our energy needs, and the American people will not go for his message on this issue. Therefore, his shills need to distract Americans from the real message- obama favors the status quo on energy. Hello $10 gas.

122 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:57:46am

re: #95 lifeofthemind

Of the many vile and stupid things you have said here this sets a standard.
Alexander Hamilton, the man who was not President but should have been.

The vilest and stupidest thing I have ever said here is that I'm not a great fan of Alexander Hamilton? Well, that must say something about the other things I've said.

Hamilton was a big-government interventionist, who sabotaged not only Jefferson, but also the man from his own party, John Adams, because he wasn't despotic enough for his taste. He would have turned this country into a monarchy in everything but name... an American version of Bonaparte who just never got a chance to "rock", and who bankrupted the country through his monopolistic corrupt scam, the National Bank.

If you don't like that, beat it, idiot!

123 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:57:56am

re: #119 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Watch for it along with John Edwards LUV BABY story.

124 geata  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:57:57am

re: #105 WriterMom

Heheheheh.

So-for a thousand bucks do you get absolute absolvement? What are the levels:

$1000 > 100 Hail Michelle's

10,000 > free arugala salad for life

100,000 > seats with your name on a plaque at Jerimiah Bullfrog church

When a coin in the coffer rings, Obama to the presidency springs!

125 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:03am
126 filetandrelease  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:03am

re: #101 Ben Hur

You're f*cked by default.

It gets annoying sometimes.

127 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:31am

re: #116 Occasional Reader

Perfect.

128 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:36am

re: #45 Occasional Reader

re: #22 medaura18586

Obama is like a box of chocolates.

Oh, the New York Times editorial board just burst into tears. Racist!

Tell that to the Chocolate City in Louisiana.

129 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:40am

re: #7 buzzsawmonkey

That McCain ad was "bareknuckled?" Only if the knuckles belong to Fluffy Joe the Marshmallow Man.

Any criticism of the messiah is a racist, brass knuckled assault in the eyes of the left.

130 christheprofessor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:46am

Any negative comment about Obama is, in their warped minds, racist. He is above criticism.

131 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:57am

re: #117 JamesTKirk

Crunchy frogs?!

Krager beat you back at #82

132 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:58:59am

re: #74 WriterMom

Ben, did you check out 'Stuff White People Like'?

That's exactly what he pokes fun at.

Actually OR-you would like it too.

What are you referring to?

133 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:15am

re: #120 newsjunkie_ky

Couldn't find contact info.

I am at yahoo.com

134 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:17am

re: #128 JamesTKirk

HEY YOU!

Good, I'm glad there is more than one person with a disgusting mind now on the thread...haven't seen you in a while.

135 Victrola  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:25am

The NYT is the living embodiment of the Ministry of Truth.

136 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:28am

re: #123 WriterMom

Watch for it along with John Edwards LUV BABY story.


Ewwwww....How anyone could have sex with that man is beyond me. He's on my "I'll become a lesbian rather than f&%$ him if he were the last man on Earth" list.

137 Truck Monkey  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:28am

re: #89 WriterMom

White chocolate?

GLECH.

Isn't white chocolate also known as "almond bark"? Either way.... BLECH

138 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:31am

Hamilton personally led the infantry attack from the front at the Battle of Yorktown. By that time, his repuation had been made and he was fully established. George Washington loved him.

/He could have sat that one out.... but he did not...

139 Padre  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:33am

Bubble headed, nappy headed, what is the difference?

140 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:44am

re: #117 JamesTKirk

Crunchy frogs?!

Larks vomit.

141 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 10:59:52am

re: #112 WriterMom
You all have regular get togethers up north don't you? It will be so fun to meet some Lizards.

142 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:00:06am

re: #74 WriterMom

Ben, did you check out 'Stuff White People Like'?

That's exactly what he pokes fun at.

Actually OR-you would like it too.

I actually was the FIRST to post a link to that site here.

And I remind you, I am not white.

And neither are you.

143 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:00:09am

re: #132 Occasional Reader

Oh get out! Nobody here has heard of "Stuff White People Like"?

Stuff White People Like

144 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:00:16am

re: #105 WriterMom

Heheheheh.

So-for a thousand bucks do you get absolute absolvement? What are the levels:

$1000 > 100 Hail Michelle's

10,000 > free arugala salad for life

100,000 > seats with your name on a plaque at Jerimiah Bullfrog church

And carbon credits. Don't forget the carbon credits.

145 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:00:24am

re: #137 Truck Monkey

Isn't white chocolate also known as "almond bark"? Either way.... BLECH


White chocolate is only good in bread pudding or cookies with macadamia nuts.

146 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:00:48am

re: #138 experiencedtraveller


Did you just link to Sparknotes?

147 runrabbitrun  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:00:56am

This racecard gaffe is probably why the Obama people released that ridiculous $1000 people's refund from the oil profits story - hoping to change the subject.

Thanks for playing Dems! Though I think the McCain people have got it right: Mac can't complete the Obamuppet for sheer glitz and stagecraft and starpower. Mac's people didn't wasting their man's time or energy even trying to win a game that they didn't have a prayer of taking.

Mac's campaign simply let the pre-Elected One get out there being his bombastic, pretentious, hypocritical and clearly unimportant self, and Mac did just fine. If the McCain people had jumped at the bait and tried to put Mac against Barry one-to-one in the stage arena circuit, the press would have only used it against Mac, who would have looked smaller and duller by such direct comparison, and McCain would've done much worse in the early trials.

Now Mac's breaking away, and Obama is needing to tone down his pompous stadium rocker style, which is a much better bet for McCain in competition. Nice start for him - and us - this autumn.

148 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:01:02am

re: #142 Ben Hur

"First"?

You can get banned for that, dude.

;)

149 Big Steve  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:01:09am

One of the commentors at the NYT Blog on their piece.

Tell you what: I’m Black. Why not I give you permission to be critical of Obama, okay? It’s the notion that you can’t be critical of Obama because he is Black that’s racist.

Perfectly said.

150 jemima  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:01:44am

So it's impossible to see Barry near a typical white person? What does that say for the cabinet and WH staff he'd create?

Ludacris may be more (w)right than we'd like to face.

151 Wendya  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:01:50am

So....what are the chances the NYT will ever climb out of the rabbit hole?

152 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:01:51am

re: #118 Pythagoras

Thanks for the explanation. Nothing is too silly for this election it seems. My best friend who was a conservative until she fell under the Obama spell (she's no kid either) called me a member of the aryan nation today for explaining to her that the ad isn't racist.

153 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:01:54am

re: #142 Ben Hur

Ben, we all know that I am an Ashkenazi Jewish Princess...but in a past life-I was definitely a gospel singer or a hip hop dancer. DUH!

154 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:02:11am

re: #80 Sharmuta

No- what's offensive is for elitists like obama and the nyt to tell me that judging obama based on the content of his character (or lack thereof) is somehow racist. It's utterly preposterous and I don't think it will fly with the American electorate as a whole. I think both obama and the nyt fails to realize just how much blowback this tactic might create.

It is all just part of the effort underway to shame you into voting for Obama.

DON'T FALL FOR IT!

155 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:02:31am

re: #134 WriterMom

HEY YOU!

Good, I'm glad there is more than one person with a disgusting mind now on the thread...haven't seen you in a while.

I was active on a couple of threads yesterday; but I haven't been around as much as usual lately. What have I missed?

156 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Oooooh yah. White people love carbon credits...especially buying them on line.

It's so noble to sit on your ass, surf the web and SAVE MOTHER GAIA at the same time!

/sniff sniff, I'm getting all emotional

157 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #77 taxfreekiller

He never meant to fire.

His son had been killed in a duel not long before; the younger Hamilton had, on his father's advice, chosen not to fire.

Hamilton knew he was doing.

158 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:00am

re: #122 medaura18586

Another Islamist from Canada? What is your visa status?

159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:03am

re: #115 yma o hyd

Sure.
Trust the Germans for not being black enough ...

or Obama

160 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:04am

re: #69 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT OT OT...


Ya'll seen this yet?

Tales from the Crypt!
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Is that backbone I'm seeing?

Brilliant - and hilarious at the same time!
'This is not the Pelosi Polit bureau' - love it!

161 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:08am

simply putting an image of a white woman in an advertisement about Barack Obama is, prima facie, racist.

So we are not going to be seeing any pictures of Obama and his mother.

162 bosforus  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:26am
In the tank.

Maybe they'll drown.

163 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:44am

re: #152 satan sidekick

Two words for you:

DUMP.
"FRIEND".

164 bosforus  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:03:46am

re: #162 bosforus

Maybe they'll drown.

Figuratively speaking, of course.

165 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:04:03am

re: #146 Ben Hur

Did you just link to Sparknotes?

ummm... yes. I try and source everything.... Why?

166 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:04:04am

re: #149 Big Steve
I'm not critical of the half of Obama that is Black, only the half of him that is White.

/Does that make me racist?

167 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:04:26am

re: #153 WriterMom

Juden Nischt Weiss.

168 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:04:37am

re: #33 Ben Hur

And if they put up Black celebs?

It's obvious that you can't win either way.

The MEssiah must not be mocked.

Take it one step further -

If this is the standard of sensitivity we are ALL supposed to have about race, wasn't Obama insensitive in bringing up looking like the "other presidents" on our currency? Wasn't that racially insensitive to the extreme?

169 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:04:53am

re: #161 Opinionated

simply putting an image of a white woman in an advertisement about Barack Obama is, prima facie, racist.

So we are not going to be seeing any pictures of Obama and his mother.

Isn't she under the bus already?

170 littleben  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:04am

There is an uncanny resemblance between Obama and the Three-Dollar bill.

171 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:06am

re: #88 experiencedtraveller

Hamilton didn't fire until after he'd been shot; it was probably an accident.

172 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:10am

re: #159 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

or Obama

Obama's people had all the black people move out of the shot. He doesn't want to be associated with them.

173 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:14am

You know what strikes me as odd is that McCain treats Obama with more deference and respect than Obama uses with his own grandmother.

174 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:16am

RE: White chocolate

I'm convinced that it's just a massive, ongoing practical joke.

175 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:17am

re: #133 lifeofthemind
I clicked on your site but still didn't see any contact info.
I'm leaving Saturday on first leg of NYC trip and will not have access to computer (that I can see). nyc redneck, nosubmission, and I have traded emails and phone #s to plan. Just watch for them and try to contact them next week. Not sure yet where we are meeting up for lunch.

176 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:29am

re: #167 Ben Hur

So true, so true.

177 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:40am

re: #165 experiencedtraveller

ummm... yes. I try and source everything.... Why?

Nothing.

I've used them.

Like Cliffnotes.

178 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:44am
179 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:05:46am

They are protesting too much.

That ad is about obama's energy policies- something the American people care very much about right now.

So- they simply must engage in a distortion campaign about that ad. I think it will backfire.

What they are really doing is causing more people to be curious- more people are going to see that ad now than would have if they'd left this alone. More people are going to scratch their head and wonder how it was racist. More people are going to see obama's energy policy and back away.

Keep it up, nyt. Keep it up.

180 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:04am

re: #169 JamesTKirk

Isn't she under the bus already?

That's grandma. Mom is no loger with us.

181 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:06am

re: #170 littleben

There is an uncanny resemblance between Obama and the Three-Dollar bill.

The $3 bill I have at home has Hillary on it.

182 sngnsgt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:20am

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Alexander Hamilton was president? Who knew?

The new Obama dollar

183 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:21am

re: #138 experiencedtraveller

Hamilton personally led the infantry attack from the front at the Battle of Yorktown. By that time, his repuation had been made and he was fully established. George Washington loved him.

/He could have sat that one out.... but he did not...

Also organized the revolutionary movement at Kings College (now Columbia University) but at considerable personal risk faced down the mob to permit the Tory President to escape.

184 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:32am

re: #155 JamesTKirk

You were "active" on a few threads, huh?

LOL. That sounds funny.

What have you missed? WHAT HAVE YOU MISSED?

Oh-not much.

185 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:47am

re: #75 bulwrk

And if McCain had used black female celebrities in the ad portraying them as shallow they would accuse him of being a racist.

And if he had used white or black males he'd get a charge of Homophobia too.

186 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:51am

re: #174 Occasional Reader

It's only good in coffee.

187 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:53am

Look the O is bringing up the race thing for one reason.
He is slipping in the polls.
He figures if he can induce a little "white guilt" and accuse McCain of racism then he can win.
A. I believe that people are getting a little tired of the white guilt bs.
B. McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangledesh whose skin color is darker than obambi's! How anyone could say he is racist is astounding to me! He loves that kid as does the whole family just as if she were born to them.

My favorite pic of her and her sister.
THAT is unity!

188 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:06:57am

re: #173 OldLineTexan

You know what strikes me as odd is that McCain treats Obama with more deference and respect than Conservatives Obama uses with his own grandmother.

Adjsuted

189 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:07:26am

re: #90 Iron Fist

What?!

If you're referring to the "hair trigger" pistols, you need to re-read the correspondence.

Hamilton didn't cheat.

190 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:07:35am
191 Truck Monkey  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:07:57am

re: #152 satan sidekick

Thanks for the explanation. Nothing is too silly for this election it seems. My best friend who was a conservative until she fell under the Obama spell (she's no kid either) called me a member of the aryan nation today for explaining to her that the ad isn't racist.

I fail to see how someone could go from being a conservative to being an Obama voter.

192 pegcity  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:12am

dollar bills?

Um theres a dollar bill, the rest are just bills.

Obama has the mental capacity of a 15 year old.

193 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:21am

Hopefully Obama will never ever EVAH be your President, so nobody will have to worry if his mug looks like any other real Presidents.

194 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:23am

You all that the Obama camp loves that we are concentrating on everything and anything that doesn't mention that he was a Senator for only two years, and that he never says anything of substance.

195 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:27am

re: #191 Truck Monkey

I fail to see how someone could go from being a conservative to being an Obama voter.

All it takes is one sip of the Kool-Aid.

196 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:30am

re: #158 lifeofthemind

Another Islamist from Canada? What is your visa status?

Yeah, another Islamist from Canada. Whatever you say...

My visa status is none of your fucking business.

197 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:35am

re: #143 WriterMom

Oh get out! Nobody here has heard of "Stuff White People Like"?

Stuff White People Like

Nope, hadn't seen it.

Golly, think they'll do a "Stuff Black People Like" version?

/crickets

198 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:44am

re: #113 satan sidekick

What are you talking about? People calling McCain a racist on the NYT blog when it's not even close to reality is like bizarro world.


Up is down, left is right, christians are evil-muslims are good, terrorists are freedom fighters.....etc

See - it is bizzaro world.

199 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:08:55am

re: #152 satan sidekick

Thanks for the explanation. Nothing is too silly for this election it seems. My best friend who was a conservative until she fell under the Obama spell (she's no kid either) called me a member of the aryan nation today for explaining to her that the ad isn't racist.

Self delusion is an ugly thing.

200 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:10am

re: #4 Noam Sayin'

He wore a blazing saddle...

its like you read my mind.

201 satan sidekick  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:19am

re: #191 Truck Monkey


That's what I said too. How can someone who worked on the Bush campaigns in 2000 and 2004 jump in Obama's bus? I think she has lost her mind. And yes - she is my ex-friend after today.

202 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:23am

re: #36 karmic_inquisitor

You have to put on the ultra uber white guilt hat to see the "racism" that NYT sees.

Naw, it's easy if you work it backwards from the answer. We know that McCain, as a Republican, is a racist, and sneaky, and will tell swift-boat lies about any Democrat. Therefore, we know the ad has all of those features, it's simply a matter of assigning the labels to the contents.

Oh, and did I mention, McCain is ... hold on to your wigs and keys ... white? Says it all, doesn't it?

Personally, I think it's racist of Obama to be even half-black, and I call upon him to cease and desist, and renounce, it immediately.

203 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:28am

This is only a mild preview of how Americans of incorrect ideology and race are going to be dealt with if the Obama becomes POTUS.His books will tell you everything you need to know about his views on race, and they aren't of the healing variety.

204 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:35am

re: #168 karmic_inquisitor

Take it one step further -

If this is the standard of sensitivity we are ALL supposed to have about race, wasn't Obama insensitive in bringing up looking like the "other presidents" on our currency? Wasn't that racially insensitive to the extreme?

Bluntly, the only racism displayed in this exchange was displayed by Obama.

There is nothing in McCain's ad that could be construed as racist, and the one bringing up race here is Obama. In fact, Obama has consistently been the one bringing up race in this contest. (Look at what happened to Geraldine Ferraro when she stated the obvious. . .that Obama's race has helped him so far, not hurt him).

Also, given that he's already created his own fake Presidential seal, I'm a little surprised that Obama hasn't yet created his own fake currency with his own image on it.

205 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:45am

re: #101 Ben Hur

You're f*cked by default.

Homophobe!

206 Pythagoras  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:09:57am

re: #152 satan sidekick

One of the great mysteries of liberalism is how they put so much stock in their imagination. You friend actually ANNOUNCED a provably false statement ABOUT you TO you.

Think about that for a minute. It's like me saying to you, "too bad you're not on line right now." Or, "too bad you can't post on LGF."

It just leaves me slack-jawed.

207 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:10am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

Oh for sure, that's in the works...

/wait for it....

208 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:12am
209 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:17am

re: #201 satan sidekick

That's what I said too. How can someone who worked on the Bush campaigns in 2000 and 2004 jump in Obama's bus? I think she has lost her mind. And yes - she is my ex-friend after today.

I don't blame you. Anyone loony enough to call you racist over that ad isn't worth your friendship.

210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:21am
211 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:23am

re: #181 JamesTKirk

The $3 bill I have at home has Hillary on it.


mine has Bill

212 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:48am

re: #195 JamesTKirk

One, tiny little leg tingle...

213 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:10:56am

re: #211 Eowyn2

mine has Bill

My Bill bills are the $6 variety.

214 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:11:41am

re: #205 karmic_inquisitor

Not if my real name is Joe Fault.

215 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:11:48am

re: #122 medaura18586

That is insane, inaccurate, and ignorant.

216 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:02am

re: #168 karmic_inquisitor

Bbbut ... blacks can't be racist in the extreme!
Only whites!

217 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:11am

re: #212 WriterMom

One, tiny little leg tingle...

Call me a racist, but if a politician wants to give me a leg tingle, she has to be green.

(Although I'm willing to just wear green-tinted glasses. Worked for Dorothy.)

218 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:24am

I didn't notice anything strange about this exchange but Ed makes a good point....
Video: A “legitimate question”?

Does Obama really think that the US government has made “numerous attacks” on the African community, or that this allegation has legitimacy? The protestors didn’t even provide a single example of the US government attacking anyone. The three incidents involving the police were at worst examples of municipal efforts, not federal, and Katrina was a hurricane with spectacularly bad local and state response, complicated by federal bungling.

Not once in his response did Obama point out the logical fallacies of the question, nor did he defend the American government against the charge of deliberately attacking African-Americans in the present tense, as the question was asked and intended. Casting this as a “legitimate question” calls into question Obama’s grasp of civics as well as his outlook on the government he “aspire[s] to lead”.

Obama could have scored big points with moderates if he had schooled this kid about hit attitude and his victim mentality.

219 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:30am

re: #216 yma o hyd

Bbbut ... blacks can't be racist in the extreme!
Only whites!

Because racism is about power and only whites have power. (roll eyes)
/////

220 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:31am

re: #152 satan sidekick

Thanks for the explanation. Nothing is too silly for this election it seems. My best friend who was a conservative until she fell under the Obama spell (she's no kid either) called me a member of the aryan nation today for explaining to her that the ad isn't racist.

Has she undergone an extreme emotional distress in the past four years?

Divorce
Death
Chocolate-Banning diet?

221 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:42am

re: #211 Eowyn2

mine has Bill

And they are legal tender for all debts in Arkansas. In fact, I think Huckleberry ran his entire campaign on them.

222 Blackacre  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:48am

re: #161 Opinionated

simply putting an image of a white woman in an advertisement about Barack Obama is, prima facie, racist.

So we are not going to be seeing any pictures of Obama and his mother.

Or his grandmother, who, as I understand it, is just "a typical white person."

223 Inquisitive  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:49am

re: #161 Opinionated

simply putting an image of a white woman in an advertisement about Barack Obama is, prima facie, racist.

So we are not going to be seeing any pictures of Obama and his mother.

How about pictures with Hilliary Clinton......guess she can no longer champaign with him....

224 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:12:59am

re: #116 Occasional Reader

"Dear Ho Chi Minh: I am very happy to be cooperating with all you guys and providing all sorts of military secrets to my communist overlords. Boy, do I ever hate America! Uncle Ho, please keep this letter secret, and don't e-mail it to anyone; I sure wouldn't want it to hurt me if I ever run for President one day.

Signed, John McCain
Dated: April 1, 1970

p.s. this letter is not fake"

Here you go.

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

225 Pythagoras  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:13:08am

re: #201 satan sidekick

Don't give up! The truth is powerful.

226 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:13:11am

re: #187 Typicalwhitey

B. McCain has an adopted daughter from Bangledesh

Interesting how he isn't trotting her out in front of a camera at every opportunity. You KNOW Obama would.

227 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:13:35am

re: #216 yma o hyd

Bbbut ... blacks can't be racist in the extreme!
Only whites!

Only conservative whites.

None of the white liberals who used racist imagery against Powell, Rice, Keyes, or Steele were racist, after all.

Justy "edgy" I believe the term was.

228 krypto  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:13:48am

Obama's right about one thing, he sure doesn't look like any George Washington or Abe Lincoln - and I'm not referring to his race or theirs.

229 Pyrocles  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:14:07am

Chocolates? RACIST! /

re: #23 lifeofthemind

Related: Dean Sulzberger places McCain on Double Super Secret Probation.

230 experiencedtraveller  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:14:24am

re: #177 Ben Hur

The goal being that some other lizard may take an interest in the subject matter and find a path to some relevant information. And to provide some evidence to support the opinion posted. I don't know if its successful but it makes me feel like I'm adding something positive to LGF.

231 jorline  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:14:33am
The presumptive Republican nominee has embarked on a bare-knuckled barrage of negative advertising aimed at belittling Mr. Obama.

Really? IMHO it's more like a slap fight so far...where's the beef?

232 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:14:45am

re: #182 sngnsgt

The new Obama dollar

It is racist to put BHO on the $1 bill. You are trying to keep him down. He should be on the $100 at least.
/

233 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:14:49am

re: #144 Occasional Reader

Ack! I down-dinged you by mistake!

I'm sorry!

234 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:14:55am

re: #230 experiencedtraveller

The goal being that some other lizard may take an interest in the subject matter and find a path to some relevant information. And to provide some evidence to support the opinion posted. I don't know if its successful but it makes me feel like I'm adding something positive to LGF.

I wasn't being critical.

235 ciaospirit  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:15:30am

Rush just reported that Zawahiri may be toast.

236 Libs are Mental  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:15:53am

If McCain had used Michael Jackson and Beyonce the MSM would have said it was racist. You cannot criticize, point out bad positions or otherwise demean the Obamessiah, don't ya know!

237 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:15:57am

re: #230 experiencedtraveller

The goal being that some other lizard may take an interest in the subject matter and find a path to some relevant information. And to provide some evidence to support the opinion posted. I don't know if its successful but it makes me feel like I'm adding something positive to LGF.


And you do.

238 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:16:06am

re: #235 ciaospirit

Rush just reported that Zawahiri may be toast.

Now for some butter and jam, eh?

239 A.W.  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:16:16am

I hate to say it, but i get it. I'm not agreeing, but I think I get it. Here's how it works. The Harold Ford ad was claimed "racist" because it suggested that a blond woman wanted to have sex with him. You know because lots of people who refuse to vote for black men who have sex with white women were going to vote for Ford, but for that ad. /sarcasm

So thus they are saying that McCain is suggesting Paris/Britney and Obama will hook up. And that is racist! RACIST! /sarcasm

Of course when I look at Britney and Paris the words that come to mind are: shallow (both), plastic (both), talentless (both--yes, both), crazy (Brit) and whorish (Paris). They eptomize undeserved fame. But all the NYT sees is white women and OMG Obama might actually want them! Like in most of this kind of "racism is everywhere" type of commentary, you end up thinking the person denouncing the "hidden" racism is really the biggest racist of all. I mean here is the NYT getting its panties in a bunch at the merest hint of an interracial pairing, and McCain's the racist?

To echo the point made above by others, I think there is no better reason to vote for McCain than to avoid 4 more years of this BS claiming every critique of Noobius Maximus is somehow racist. But the other side of the coin is that you know that Dems are going to claim that if Obama loses, it proves that we are just too unredeemingly racist. So we are kind of f---ed either way. To be blunt, this has been the most racist campaign in my memory, but not on the Republican side. What could you possibly call it when the least qualified candidate is chosen because of the color of his skin? Its like a guy going from being in the mailroom of a company to being its COO overnight; you know that something besides merit is involved.

240 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:16:17am

re: #227 JamesTKirk

Their hypocracy is breathtaking.

I was talking to a lesbian colleague about kids, and she told me about how her father and mother take her son out, and she gets worried because her father's vision is low, and her mom is handicapped...you know what she said?

"We always joke about it being the blind leading the disabled..."

I thought I was going to die.

Imagine if someone cracked a joke about lesbians?

241 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:16:19am

re: #215 Dianna

That is insane, inaccurate, and ignorant.

Not more so than the way you are responding, unless you care to give some sources to justify your cheap epithets.

242 Typicalwhitey  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:16:45am

re: #226 Occasional Reader

Interesting how he isn't trotting her out in front of a camera at every opportunity. You KNOW Obama would.

McCain NEVER uses her.
Or his two sons who are currently SERVING in the armed forces.

243 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:16:56am

Bush on Rush.

244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:17:03am

re: #194 Ben Hur

You all that the Obama camp loves that we are concentrating on everything and anything that doesn't mention that he was a Senator for only two years, and that he never says anything of substance.

They've been praying for it so hard too.

245 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:17:04am

re: #235 ciaospirit

On rye or whole wheat?

246 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:17:22am

And just a little side note. Cindy McCain quietly does more volunteer work for minority children causes worldwide than the tight fisted jaw flapping Obama's ever have.

247 jorline  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:17:41am

re: #233 Dianna

Ack! I down-dinged you by mistake!

I'm sorry!

fixed

248 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:17:42am

re: #224 The Other Les

Here you go.

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

That's some damning evidence, right there.

249 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:18:04am

re: #218 Killgore Trout

I didn't notice anything strange about this exchange but Ed makes a good point....
Video: A “legitimate question”?

Obama could have scored big points with moderates if he had schooled this kid about hit attitude and his victim mentality.

One can speculate that internal polling shows support softening among blacks as Obama goes to the center. And given Obama's penchant for total control over message, one can't discount that these guys may have been plants (how'd they get their sign in there?) intended to get Obama to reassert his cred as a black man after "going to the center?"

250 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:18:36am

re: #233 Dianna

Ack! I down-dinged you

Because I'm black? That's it, isn't it?

251 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:18:53am

re: #231 jorline

Really? IMHO it's more like a slap fight so far...where's the beef?


Thanks for teaching me about the dingie thing Jorline.. I dinged you up ole wise master..
:)

252 vagabond trader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:18:59am

Sniff sniff is there a troll about or is it my sinusitis acting up?

253 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:19:26am

re: #173 OldLineTexan

You know what strikes me as odd is that McCain treats Obama with more deference and respect than Obama uses with his own grandmother.

Yes, I find that quite odd

254 lawhawk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:19:54am

re: #200 Eowyn2

You getting saucy?

255 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:19:55am

re: #189 Dianna

I am referring to the "hair-trigger" pistols. The ability to cheat was built into the weapons, and an AD fits Hamilton's first shot going high. I certainly don't think Hamilton deliberately got himself killed. We'll never know if he intended to kill Burr.

256 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:19:56am

re: #197 Occasional Reader

Nope, hadn't seen it.

Golly, think they'll do a "Stuff Black People Like" version?

/crickets

Actually I am surprised that this is tolerated. Usually it is only tolerated if it is a minority group. For example, didn't Obama recently address a conference of black writers? Can you imagine if McCain addressed a conference of white writers? The outcry would kill his candidacy.

257 sngnsgt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:07am

re: #232 Ford_Prefect

It is racist to put BHO on the $1 bill. You are trying to keep him down. He should be on the $100 at least.
/

Must be that whitey thing in me. You're right, $100 at the least, and his own quarter!

258 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:08am

re: #242 Typicalwhitey

McCain NEVER uses her.

He's HIDING her from his racist voter base!

/

259 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:10am

re: #239 A.W.


It has more to do with the White Man's fear of the superior sexual prowess of the Black Man and that the White Man beleives that all Black Men want to defile their White Women.

Of course, if you read Malcom X's bio you read about white women being trophies.

If you listen to Kanye West, the gold-digger gets pissed when the black man leaves her ass for a white woman.

It's theme in race relations.

260 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:22am

re: #158 lifeofthemind

Another Islamist from Canada? What is your visa status?

This from a disgusting apologist for mass murderers, and for thugs who attack US embassies.

Get a clue or, even better, get a life!

261 jorline  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:29am

re: #251 HoosierHoops

Thanks for teaching me about the dingie thing Jorline.. I dinged you up ole wise master..
:)


LOL...thanks HH

262 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:35am

re: #249 karmic_inquisitor

One can speculate that internal polling shows support softening among blacks as Obama goes to the center. And given Obama's penchant for total control over message, one can't discount that these guys may have been plants (how'd they get their sign in there?) intended to get Obama to reassert his cred as a black man after "going to the center?"

I personally thought his reaction was far too polished for it to be an unknown and spontaneous "protest." It had to have been rehearsed ad infinitum, or else he would have been a lot less eloquent.

263 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:20:41am

re: #227 JamesTKirk

Only conservative whites.

None of the white liberals who used racist imagery against Powell, Rice, Keyes, or Steele were racist, after all.

Justy "edgy" I believe the term was.

Feeling their guilt deeply, atoning, and feeling the pain of their black victims, yeah ...

Still staying in power, mind, because they know whats best for those victims.

Gawd, I love that mindset - NOT!

264 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:21:06am

re: #243 Ben Hur

Bush on Rush.

It's a replay from two hours ago.

Both Bushes.

265 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:21:21am

re: #241 medaura18586

Not more so than the way you are responding, unless you care to give some sources to justify your cheap epithets.

kindof like you're statement' all serbs are pricks' last night?
you are a piece of work medaura..

266 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:21:39am

re: #228 krypto

Obama's right about one thing, he sure doesn't look like any George Washington or Abe Lincoln - and I'm not referring to his race or theirs.

Ye're an ear-ist, for shame!

267 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:21:45am

re: #243 Ben Hur

Bush on Rush.

There you go again. Homophobia right there.

I question your choice of verbs, sir.

Homophobe!

268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:21:48am

re: #254 lawhawk

You getting saucy?

Count Da Money!

269 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:22:24am

re: #267 karmic_inquisitor

There you go again. Homophobia right there.

I question your choice of verbs, sir.

Homophobe!

Where's the verb in "Bush on Rush"?

270 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:22:25am

re: #218 Killgore Trout

Why would he do that? He's not as blatant about it, but that's how he's made his career.

271 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:22:45am

re: #254 lawhawk

That remains funny, funny, funny. I laugh every time I see that movie.

272 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:23:24am

re: #271 WriterMom

That remains funny, funny, funny. I laugh every time I see that movie.

Hi writermom..you doing good today?

273 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:23:43am

re: #262 FurryOldGuyJeans

I personally thought his reaction was far too polished for it to be an unknown and spontaneous "protest." It had to have been rehearsed ad infinitum, or else he would have been a lot less eloquent.

Same with Ludacris - get the hate out there and then get a campaign stooge to smooth the feathers with the offended while getting the benefit of the hatred.

274 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:23:45am

re: #268 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Piss boy, piss boy....it's good to be the King."

275 brainwizard73  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:23:58am

This from a Breitbart story:

Obama, son of a white mother from Kansas and a Kenyan father, has made a concerted attempt to ensure that he is not perceived solely as a "black candidate" during his campaign, even though he is trying to become the first African American president.

Huh?

276 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:03am

re: #235 ciaospirit

Rush just reported that Zawahiri may be toast.

I sure hope so!

277 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:09am

re: #242 Typicalwhitey

McCain NEVER uses her.
Or his two sons who are currently SERVING in the armed forces.

Interesting. I did not know that. I did think it was interesting when I heard recently that People magazine was doing an interview with the Obama family, including the kids. Didn't he say after that last TV interview that he regretted bringing his daughters into the campaign?

278 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:15am

re: #269 JamesTKirk

Where's the verb in "Bush on Rush"?

"on"

/ you know this is sarcasm, right?

279 sngnsgt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:16am

re: #274 WriterMom

"Piss boy, piss boy....it's good to be the King."

Wait for the shake...

280 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:41am

re: #272 HoosierHoops

You know it!

281 JamesTKirk  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:44am

re: #278 karmic_inquisitor

"on"

/ you know this is sarcasm, right?

Yes, and I also know that "on" is a preposition.

282 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:24:57am

re: #264 itellu3times
Actually two presidents and a gov.

283 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:25:12am

re: #257 sngnsgt

Must be that whitey thing in me. You're right, $100 at the least, and his own quarter!

Fitty cent!

284 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:25:27am

re: #281 JamesTKirk

And a proposition, too.

285 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:25:45am

re: #280 WriterMom

Sent jew mail.

286 Eowyn2  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:25:47am

Sillies.

the ad was sexist not racist.

he should have been with k-fed and that guy that was married to madonna

287 sngnsgt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:25:59am

re: #283 Ford_Prefect

Fitty cent!

Werd!

288 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:26:11am

re: #273 karmic_inquisitor

Same with Ludacris - get the hate out there and then get a campaign stooge to smooth the feathers with the offended while getting the benefit of the hatred.

Typical dictator school tactics of how to gain power.

289 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:26:25am

re: #255 Iron Fist

Burr and his second both examined the pistols, and knew they were hair-triggered; it's in the notes exchanged prior to the duel.

Hamilton's only shot occurred after he was hit by Burr's bullet. He probably didn't even mean to fire.

290 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:26:39am

re: #255 Iron Fist

I am referring to the "hair-trigger" pistols.

He should have gotten "New York triggers".

291 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:27:22am

I'll say it: Naw, naw, naw, God Damn America! God damn her!

(Lest people forget)

292 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:27:25am

re: #224 The Other Les

Here you go.

[Link: farm4.static.flickr.com...]

Don't email it to anyone! HAHHAHAAHAHAHA

293 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:27:49am

Rush just played the audio of a great McCain ad.

"The One."

294 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:28:16am

re: #281 JamesTKirk

Yes, and I also know that "on" is a preposition.

You don't speak moonbat?

295 baxtrice  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:28:26am

Wait, I don't get it..

296 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:28:27am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

kindof like you're statement' all serbs are pricks' last night?
you are a piece of work medaura..

It was not me saying that. It was Sharmuta. And she didn't say ALL Serbs are pricks either. She went out of her way to state quite the opposite.

Stay out of it, for one who not only doesn't know what a straw man is (but nevertheless is quite skilled at using them left and right) but who also doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your".

Are you that dumb or just playing the fool?

297 Truck Monkey  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:28:33am

New McCain ad on Rush right now. DEVASTATING! Absolutely AWESOME. McCain and or his people have taken the gloves off. It is all a takeoff on The Obamessiah being the "one".

298 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:28:36am

re: #285 Ben Hur

I'll go look...Kewl.

299 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:30:09am

re: #290 Occasional Reader

Has anybody but me actually read the correspondence? Or the notes Hamilton left? Or paid any attention to Hamilton's history?

300 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:30:15am

re: #196 medaura18586

Yeah, another Islamist from Canada. Whatever you say...

My visa status is none of your fucking business.

Wrong answer.

301 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:31:20am

BenHur: Jew Got Mail.

ANSWERED!

302 ContraJihadi  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:31:57am

The writers at the N.Y. Times seem to be positively determined to turn the whole paper into an irredeemably bad joke. Well, I am sure they will reap their just rewards in the marketplace.

303 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:31:59am

re: #299 Dianna

Has anybody but me actually read the correspondence? Or the notes Hamilton left? Or paid any attention to Hamilton's history?

I don't know about anybody, but I haven't. I still say: LORD! PALMERSTON!

304 jorline  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:32:33am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

kindof like you're statement' all serbs are pricks' last night?
you are a piece of work medaura..

covered you on that down ding bro

305 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:33:53am

re: #299 Dianna

Has anybody but me actually read the correspondence? Or the notes Hamilton left? Or paid any attention to Hamilton's history?

I checked and you are acually the only one.

306 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:34:43am

re: #300 lifeofthemind

Wrong answer.

It was the wrong question, dimwit!

Is there any intelligent life in your mind?

307 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:34:52am

Pardon my language, but who really gives a fig what the NYT Board has to say about anything?

308 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:35:28am

re: #303 Occasional Reader

Egregious upding to make up for an accidental downding; besides, you made me laugh.

309 runrabbitrun  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:35:35am

re: #249 karmic_inquisitor

One can speculate that internal polling shows support softening among blacks as Obama goes to the center.

As Barry shifts in the winds, African Americans may begin to lose the identity politics enthusiasm that was planned to give Dems the four-five extra percentage points they were counting on to drag their stuffed suit over the finish line come November.

That level of fiery drive is what was expected to turn unreliable voters into dependable lever-pullers. If Barry has to stop playing to the black community image, that demographic may tote banners and wear tee-shirts, but I don't know if they'll bother to get themselves to the polls. Or, they may even sniff out the dead trout in the rose garden, and turn aside in droves as they see that they were only being manipulated and used by Dems again, and pretty cravenly this time.

That insight might even have a long-term party identity effect on a percentage of voters, but it would take a few years to play out.

310 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:36:10am

re: #94 Sharmuta

IIRC- I think Britney is a republican. If anyone should be offended by this ad, it's her.

You assume that Brit has enough intelligence to really, like, care about politics.

311 Jinx  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:36:14am

Reminds me of a slogan I came up for Obama when McCain got the republican ticket.

Obama 08: or are you racist?

I'm shaking my head to see that Obama chooses to run on that ticket.

So, what's this with him wanting to windfall tax oil companies to give $1,000 stimulus checks? First, the dems fight against Bush's idea to give the stimulus check--the public overwhelmingly approves of it and force the dems to concede on this point. Then, the dems see that it worked, but they don't see that it put the US even deeper in debt to do so. Now, the dems want to do it again, hand out stimulus checks, which were designed to curb the oncoming recession and they barely did that. It's free money! Buy yourself back into power. Now Obama is riding that horse and says he wants to include windfall taxes to pay for his new stimulus check (i.e. free money) at the cost of oil companies. What do you think that will do to these oil companies? Do you think they're going to shoulder the burden all by their lonesome selves? Pass the buck down the line.

Folly, sheer folly. We've got to get Congress and the idiots in Washington to understand that the public treasury is not bottomless--my pocket only goes so deep.

312 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:36:33am

re: #308 Dianna

Egregious upding to make up for an accidental downding; besides, you made me laugh.

What, like I'm some kind of clown? Like I'm here to entertain you?

/

313 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:37:16am

re: #299 Dianna

Has anybody but me actually read the correspondence? Or the notes Hamilton left? Or paid any attention to Hamilton's history?

The exhibit at NY Historical last year was excellent on Hamilton.

314 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:37:23am

re: #305 DeafDog

I'm sorry; I just feel like screaming sometimes.

The "hair trigger pistols" were a big deal when I was in college; someone thought it was a new discovery. However, if you read the correspondence, it's quite clear that this was no surprise to Burr.

315 WriterMom  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:37:45am

re: #312 Occasional Reader

Oh you love it.

316 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:38:12am

re: #262 FurryOldGuyJeans

I personally thought his reaction was far too polished for it to be an unknown and spontaneous "protest." It had to have been rehearsed ad infinitum, or else he would have been a lot less eloquent.

Maybe it was on the teleprompter.....

317 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:38:45am

re: #312 Occasional Reader

What, like I'm some kind of clown? Like I'm here to entertain you?

/

Nnnnn...no! Not at all!

318 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:39:38am

re: #313 lifeofthemind

Good!

Hamilton, like a lot of our founders, was a very complex man.

319 AZDave  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:39:49am

re: #3 Sharmuta

I guess both obama and the nyt fail to realize that it's obama who keeps pointing out he doesn't look like the men on our money.

But there is a striking resemblance of those on the old Soviet Union ruble.

320 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:39:54am

re: #255 Iron Fist

I am referring to the "hair-trigger" pistols. The ability to cheat was built into the weapons, and an AD fits Hamilton's first shot going high. I certainly don't think Hamilton deliberately got himself killed. We'll never know if he intended to kill Burr.

How does a hair trigger constitute "cheating"?

That just facilitates accuracy (and as you say, increases the likelihood of negligent/accidental discharge).

Incidentally, I know a woman who is a direct linear descendant of Aaron Burr. At one point, I had a date to take her and friend to the gun range shooting (I even printed up some pictures of Alexander Hamilton for the occasion). She was into the idea, but unfortunately ultimately couldn't make it.

321 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:40:55am

re: #275 brainwizard73

This from a Breitbart story:

Obama, son of a white mother from Kansas and a Kenyan father, has made a concerted attempt to ensure that he is not perceived solely as a "black candidate" during his campaign, even though he is trying to become the first African American president.

Huh?


I read that yesterday and my head exploded. Just getting it all cleaned up now.

322 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:41:07am

re: #309 runrabbitrun

As Barry shifts in the winds, African Americans may begin to lose the identity politics enthusiasm that was planned to give Dems the four-five extra percentage points they were counting on to drag their stuffed suit over the finish line come November.


Last I checked, African Americans still purchase gasoline.

323 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:42:03am

re: #302 ContraJihadi

The writers at the N.Y. Times seem to be positively determined to turn the whole paper into an irredeemably bad joke. Well, I am sure they will reap their just rewards in the marketplace.

It is worse than that. The Sulzbergers control the paper with a minority of the equity investment due to a two tier stock structure. The bleed the paper and leave the stockholders holding the bag.

324 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:42:41am

re: #319 AZDave

But there is a striking resemblance of those on the old Soviet Union ruble.

I'm thinking that if you gave Obama a wig, he might look a little bit like T. Jefferson.

325 AZDave  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:42:49am

re: #17 Pythagoras

Ben Franklin was president?!?

Close enough for liberals.

326 brainwizard73  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:44:06am

re: #321 Thor-Zone

I read that yesterday and my head exploded. Just getting it all cleaned up now.

Just another "Obama-thing" I am to bitter, racist and stupid to understand.

How about the Shrew? Is she black, or not?

327 kansas  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:46:04am

What they really mean is that McCain is a Nazi.

328 runrabbitrun  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:46:31am

re: #311 Jinx

So, what's this with him wanting to windfall tax oil companies to give $1,000 stimulus checks?

See my post above - I'm sure it's as shortlived pure BS as Hillary's 'baby bond' gimmick, only thrown out now to distract pundits and radio hosts away from headlining the race card gaffe, which was really beginning to have a nasty effect - even the MEDIA was suspicious and wary of it.

329 CEQAttorney  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:47:05am

re: #20 Ward Cleaver

Alexander Hamilton was president? Who knew?

Alexander Hamilton should have been President, but that's off topic.

Here, apparently, any criticism of Barrack Obama is racist unless you directly compare Senator Obama with a black President.

Oh, wait.......

330 jpkoch  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:47:07am
Has anybody but me actually read the correspondence? Or the notes Hamilton left? Or paid any attention to Hamilton's history?

I tried, but Josh Hamilton's manager said he'd be unavailable until after the 9th Inning.

/Ducks

331 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:47:13am

re: #320 looking closely

The weapons were suposed to be exactly alike. Which they were, but if you knew the trick (IIRC you pushed the trigger forward) you could make the weapon fire from a hair trigger. A sneaky little thing to give you an edge in the duel. The trigger is definately built into the pistols, and Hamilton undoubtably knew about it. Whether or not he used it (and misfired because of it) is, I'll admit, speculation.

332 kansas  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:47:43am

re: #297 Truck Monkey

New McCain ad on Rush right now. DEVASTATING! Absolutely AWESOME. McCain and or his people have taken the gloves off. It is all a takeoff on The Obamessiah being the "one".


I saw it. It's racist. And did I mention McCain is a Nazi?

sarc

333 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:48:53am

re: #316 Thor-Zone

Maybe it was on the teleprompter.....

I ain't stepping into that again. ;)

Seriously, though, from what I saw he was turned around to the back of the crowd, so he would have been facing away from any reasonably placead teleprompter. He was far too calm in my estimation for it to have been anything less than one major con job of a protest. I remember all too well his reaction to an unscripted and unwanted question while he trying to eat waffles.

But I would not say it would be totally outside the realm of possibility that he does actually have a teleprompter or 3 placed back there by some sycophantic staffer, just on the off chance there might be a better media angle from back there.

334 Bookworm  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:48:54am

In early June, I blogged about the fact that all substantive positions contrary to Obama were going to be deemed racist. Apparently all silly pop culture points will be too. Nevertheless, for your amusement, I reprint here part of my "I'm proud to be a racist" post, along with a link to the rest of it:

It's becoming increasingly clear what the Democratic campaign strategy is going to be this election season: Vote for Obama or you're a racist. I'm not sure I think too much of this approach to bullying the American electorate into selecting a candidate. Aside from the fact that, if you're a Republican, it's always a mistake to let your adversary define you, it also seems to me to free people from certain otherwise laudatory restraints.

As for me, because I'm preemptively being defined as a racist (since I most certainly won't vote for Obama), I've decided to step up to the plate and embrace that definition. From here on in, I've got my mantra.

When I vote against Obama on November 4, 2008:

* It won't be because Obama wants to withdraw from Iraq, which I think will weaken America's interests beyond repair, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama thinks that a nuclear Iran is no threat to the Western World, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because I think it's an incredibly stupid idea for the most powerful nation in the world to approach evil totalitarian dictators as a supplicant, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because I hate the idea of a President who will subordinate America's interests to the UN (as he inevitably will), it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama has the thinnest resume ever in the history of Presidential candidates, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because I think Obama's Leftist connections (Ayres, Dohrn, Soros, Pfleger, Wright, etc.) show him to be either stupid about or complicit with an agenda antithetical to basic American values, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama consistently chooses as advisers people who have opted for the wrong side in the completely binary debate about Israel's right to exist, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama wants to socialize American medicine, which I believe will destroy the high quality of medical care available to most Americans, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama wants to gut the military and reduce us to a nation with a big target painted on our collective backside, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama wants to gut the Second Amendment and destroy Americans' Constitutional right to protect themselves from foreign and domestic enemies, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama has already announced loud and clear that he will support activist judges who place their "feelings" above the law, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama supports judicial decisions creating a right to gay marriage, when I think that decision is one for the voters, it will be because I'm a racist.
* It won't be because Obama's announced that he will dramatically increase taxes, putting the slow, inflexible, ill-informed government in charge of what should be a quick-reacting, knowledgeable marketplace, it will be because I'm a racist.

You can read the rest here.

335 Thor-Zone  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:48:58am

re: #327 kansas

What they really mean is that McCain is a Nazi.


OOOOOHHHHHHH I get it now! Thanks Kansas!

336 AZDave  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:49:05am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

If they had used Snoop and Dr. Dre instead of Paris and Britney would they still consider the ad racist? Yes. It's clear that no matter who was featured in the ad they would still cry racism.

Even Elmer Fudd?

337 Spiritualized  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:49:55am
“doesn’t look like all those other Presidents on those dollar bills.’’

Yeah that's totally unfair.

At the very least his behaviour is very reminiscent of Dhimmi Carter.

338 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:52:58am

re: #337 Spiritualized

He's not greenish, either.

339 kansas  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:53:06am

re: #335 Thor-Zone

OOOOOHHHHHHH I get it now! Thanks Kansas!


No problem. Might add racist Nazi. Just skip to the chase, eh?

340 faraway  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:53:59am

Obama is like Paris Hilton
McCain stayed in the Hanoi Hilton

341 AZDave  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:53:59am

re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe the ad was racist because there weren't enough black people in it?

That's it! There were no token schwarzas in the ad.

342 kansas  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:55:32am

re: #336 AZDave

Even Elmer Fudd?


Unless they don't mention Obama at all, then the ad will be racist, period. In fact if they mention John McCain is running for President, that might be considered racist because we all know who he is running against. Don't we?

343 eaglewingz08  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:55:57am

If posting a photo of a white woman with the Obamanation is racist, then here are two racist photos (and by the way one is from the Obamanation's own website, so I guess he's a racist too?)

[Link: timesonline.typepad.com...]

[Link: www.smh.com.au...]

the second photo is with Caroline Kennedy, so I guess by her being photographed with the Obamanation and having it publicized, she's also a racist?

BTW, I do agree that the Obamanation is not like any other person or President (well he isn't the President yet, and hopefully will never be one in my lifetime unless he drastically changes(so there may be hope) his personality and positions) on those dollar bills (all denominations) because each of the persons on dollar bills HAVE ACCOMPLISHMENTS IN THE POLITICAL SPHERE, that are tellingly absent in the Obamanation. Indeed, the Obamanation's own Machiavellian advisor, Axelrod, was on the morning shows this am asked about what he meant that the Obamanation isn't like those guys on dollar bills, and in a Freudian slip said, well, Obama is young, and inexperienced, and you know, black.
Couldn't have said it better, except for the black part, cause he's more white than black, but that's another post.

344 Dahveed  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:56:05am

I get emails from people in my office that are marked as urgent or of high importance. The thing is they are always saying something is urgent or of high importance even 90% or the emails are not urgent or important. The effect is that one will disregard the truly important emails.

The left wing and the media claiming every attack upon Obama is racist is having the effect of making these claims into jokes. I have no doubt that there are some very inappropriate attacks on Obama. But to attack McCain for racism in this case, or at all for that matter, is laughable.

345 HippieforLife  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:59:07am

They made all this fuss because they didn't want people to be thinking about why the celebrity issue was even mentioned, like his refusal to agree to off-shore drilling. One talking head I heard even went so far as to suggest that the word "foreign" as in foreign oil, was placed next to his face to somehow suggest that O is somehow "foreign". Quite a stretch!

Besides, I have to admit that I want an American president not an "African"- American president. The shade of his skin does not matter and it certainly does not grant him any moral authority or superiority. His smirky little comment about "is that all you've got?" was entirely phony.

346 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #331 Iron Fist

The weapons were suposed to be exactly alike. Which they were, but if you knew the trick (IIRC you pushed the trigger forward) you could make the weapon fire from a hair trigger. A sneaky little thing to give you an edge in the duel. The trigger is definately built into the pistols, and Hamilton undoubtably knew about it. Whether or not he used it (and misfired because of it) is, I'll admit, speculation.


Oh, I see. A good description is here on page 96:
[Link: www.aaronburrassociation.org...]

If Hamilton did try to use this feature, its pretty clear it didn't help him, just as its clear that Burr was at no apparent disadvantage here.

347 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:01:03pm
re: #241 medaura18586
Not more so than the way you are responding, unless you care to give some sources to justify your cheap epithets.

Honestly, some folks here have said some things to you that might be considered insulting, but the only one I see employing cheap epithets here is you:


re: #306 medaura18586
It was the wrong question, dimwit!
Is there any intelligent life in your mind
?


re: #296 medaura18586

It was not me saying that. It was Sharmuta. And she didn't say ALL Serbs are pricks either. She went out of her way to state quite the opposite.
Stay out of it, for one who not only doesn't know what a straw man is (but nevertheless is quite skilled at using them left and right) but who also doesn't know the difference between "you're" and "your".
Are you that dumb or just playing the fool
?

He doesn't know what a straw man is but is quite skilled at using them ("strawman" is singular, so shouldn't that be "it" instead of "them) left and right - what?


re: #122 medaura18586
The vilest and stupidest thing I have ever said here is that I'm not a great fan of Alexander Hamilton? Well, that must say something about the other things I've said. . . . If you don't like that, beat it, idiot!

This isn't your blog, Meduara, and I would suggest that it's pretty arrogant of you to tell another commenter here to "beat it".

348 eaglewingz08  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:01:21pm

BTW if the McCain campaign had put one or two black diva or Chinese divas, or Jewish empty headed entertainers in the ad the libs would claim it was racist or anti semitic, or xenophobic, and that the ad claimed blacks, chinese, jews are himbos and bimbos, etc. So no matter who the McCain campaign placed in the ads it would all come down to race to the dems, because for almost all of their history, the democrats have been about race and racism, and not in any positive way. That's why when you talk about white guilt or liberal guilt, what one is really talking about is democrat guilt. Republicans don't have that guilt because they were the party of abolition, Lincoln, the union, and the Civil War.

349 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:03:11pm

re: #346 looking closely

That's probably the article I read about it. Certainly that or one like it. Thanks for the link. The things we get into on LGF :-)

350 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:03:45pm

re: #336 AZDave

Even Elmer Fudd?

Elmer Fudd abuses animals! Are you trying to imply that Obama abuses animals!?

/

351 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:05:55pm

If Obama is elected he is going to send something up Uranus.

352 billypaintbrush  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:07:50pm

the video on drudge that Rush played is GREAT. It is a giant FU to The One. I just might have to get my checkbook out.

353 yochanan  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:08:04pm

re: #125 buzzsawmonkey

I thought there were 2 peachs in john mccain's ad.

354 eaglewingz08  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:10:22pm

OT Call up your repub Congressmen, and if they aren't on the floor tell them to get their arses there. There's a Republican Tea Party going on since Nancy Fancy Schmancy Peelousy called the House out of session last night, and forty Repubs are on the floor bashing the dems for leaving without putting in their Drill Here Drill Now energy policy.
They ordered pizza, invited gallery members to the House Floor. The Capitol Hill papers are all reporting it. Members have brought loudspeakers to the floor. Gallery members were cheering the repubs. This could be the catalyst for the Republican takeover in November.

355 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:12:31pm

re: #351 Opinionated

Meant to post that in the Mars thread.

356 LittleGreenFavre  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:14:56pm
The presumptive Republican nominee has embarked on a bare-knuckled barrage of negative advertising aimed at belittling Mr. Obama. The most recent ad compares the presumptive Democratic nominee for president to Britney Spears and Paris Hilton — suggesting to voters that he’s nothing more than a bubble-headed, publicity-seeking celebrity. wannabee-president.


Fixed that for the NYSlimes.

357 We need G.C. Scott  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:15:16pm

Cavalier use of the dreaded "R" word is rearing it's ugly head in an unprecedented scope these days and it's no longer just politicians,media or the tweed and pipe kooks from the Sociology dept. down at the local indoctrination center,er college. Witness the encroachment into certain segments of law enforcement due primarily to those well heeled diversity or sensitivity seminars many depts. undergo.

It's a tactic ultimately designed to combat,and ultimately suppress, any individual expression of thought (regardless of effect,no one has a right to immunity from "offense") under the auspices of protecting the "public" from an "incitement to violence." Naturally,this directly serves to belittle those people who have truly felt the sting of actual racism. The agents of chaos are indeed getting a little bolder and confrontational toward just about anybody they take issue with,which will eventually be just about anyone. Be on yea toes,these folks are as near as your local street corner.
Europe is the canary in the coal mine.

358 HippieforLife  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:20:36pm

And of course the O campaign stayed classy. They immediately created the "Low Road Express" web site to tell you what a bad person McCain is.

If they would only open their eyes they would realize that they are the "low road" ones. McCain doesn't even have to say anything and he is racist, flinging mud, bare-knuckled fighter, etc. Apparently CBS thinks these are "below the belt attacks on his character, fitness and even his fame".

The MSM just makes things up. It they say these things over & over & over then they must be true.

359 sngnsgt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:23:10pm

DUmmies are dinging down McCain add.

360 Tamron  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:27:43pm

AD EXAGGERATES OBAMA'S CREDENTIALS
Friday, August 1, 2008 8:41 AM
By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

Sen. Barack Obama claims in a new campaign ad to have “reached out” to Republicans in Congress to launch a major new program to “lock down loose nuclear weapons,” when in fact the legislation he helped pass authorized the Bush administration to maintain and expand an initiative pioneered by John Bolton to help foreign countries stop shipments of weapons of mass destruction components from reaching rogue states such as Iran.

In the campaign ad, titled “America’s Leadership,” the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee says, “The single most important national security threat we face is the threat of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists. What I did was reach out to Senator Dick Lugar, Republican, to help lock down loose nuclear weapons.”

An on-screen caption provides the details. “On the Foreign Relations Committee, Obama Passed a Law . . . To Keep Nuclear Weapons Out Of Terrorists’ Hands.”

However, the bill mentioned in the ad — Public Law 109-472, signed into law by President Bush on Jan. 11, 2007 — was introduced by Lugar in late September 2006 without co-sponsors and not as a result of Lugar’s discussions with Obama and was voted out of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee without a hearing...

Charles should create a thread outlining Obama's TRUTHFUL statements. The once-a-week or once-a-month posts in that thread would be much easier to follow.
.

361 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:29:17pm
362 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:30:41pm

re: #347 reine.de.tout

Thank you for that - I kept sitting on my hands, feeling it wasn't for me, as a barely out-of-my-shells-lizard, to intervene.

363 lizard by the bay  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:36:18pm

re: #122 medaura18586

And I thought your comments about Kosovo were retarded. I had no idea you were just warming up.

364 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:42:55pm

re: #362 yma o hyd

Thank you for that - I kept sitting on my hands, feeling it wasn't for me, as a barely out-of-my-shells-lizard, to intervene.

Intervene away, but try to keep it classy!

365 dhg4  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:43:26pm

See McCain Camp Declares War On The NYT Editorial Board

Especially:

"If the shareholders of the New York Times ever wonder why the paper's ad revenue is plummeting and its share price tanking, they need look no further than the hysterical reaction of the paper's editors to any slight, real or imagined, against their preferred candidate. ...
366 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:45:29pm
In the Tank.

In so many ways...
You can almost hear the flushing sound from the NYTimes stock swirling down the toilet.

367 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:47:39pm

re: #25 Wearyman

THOU SHALT NOT CRITICIZE OBAMESSIAH, LEST YE BE LABELED A RACIST.

So Sayeth the New York Times, So Say We All.

/libtard mantra

That's pretty much it.

oh and dissent is the highest form of patriotism - but only when trashing Rethuglicans, conservatives, and anything non-holy-leftist.

368 daddyo  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:49:11pm
369 dachew  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:52:18pm

The NYT is beginning to panic. They see their Messiah beginning to fall in the polls even after his "triumphant" conquest of Europe and they know they are in trouble.
The problem with the polls is that they almost always favor the Democrat slightly - the reason being that Conservatives actually vote when they say they are likely to. It's because they believe it's their duty and conservatives believe in doing their duty. Leftists believe that everyone else should do as they say. They believe in duty for everyone else but themselves. Consequently, leftists always have a poorer showing, for the most part, at the voting booth than polls indicate that they should.

Currently, the polls show McCain and Obama in a tie. That means McCain is actually in the lead because those likely Obama voters are not as likely to vote as are the likely McCain voters. The NYT knows this and they're scared.

370 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:53:12pm
371 J.S.  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:54:29pm

Slightly OT...

In addition to Obama wanting to claim that any who dare criticize The Anointed One is "a racist" (that is, defame his critics by alleging they're all just racists), he simultaneously pretends to be "taking the higher ground" and not getting into all that "negative stuff" or the "old style" politics. Now that's hilarious...Once again, the Anointed One betrays himself as a liar.

About his hopes for "dialogue" (for Americans that means chastising Americans for all their "racist" thoughts), but for others (read, non-Americans) he also has plans for "dialogue" (meaning paying non-Americans worshipful attention). In an interview with Candy Crowley on CNN, Obama repeated his intentions to hold a "dialogue" with Islamic/Muslim leaders as soon as he becomes President...I am guessing that this will be a conference to have Americans express their sorrowful regret and "guilt" in light of the supremacy and magnificence of the Islamic Nations...Islamic nations which All Americans should learn to emulate and admire...

372 inquisitive  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:55:25pm

OT
Is there any computer geeks on right now that might help.....Had to have sound device fixed on son's computer and had more ram added at the time(week ago). That night the computer rebooted it self(XP)
All week it has been doing it and getting more often. It has the blue screen, goes off and then boots back up. Have did google on error code BCCode: 1000008e and looked at several sights, but they give different reasons for this error. Could it be the ram or sound device they put on? Or am I looking at some other problem?

373 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:56:20pm

re: #306 medaura18586

It was the wrong question, dimwit!

Is there any intelligent life in your mind?

you know medaura..you really like to insult people here..
As for your comments about me being dumb or a fool..Maybe I'm a little of both..considered that?
I've got a good six weeks of blogging under my belt so for you to call me an expert in straw man arguments does me proud ( still not exactly sure about the straw man stuff..You build em up to knock em down?
Why do i need a straw man? Can't i just express an opinion? )
Anyhoo.. I don't want to make any enemies here cause it's too much dam fun..
So peace..and have a nice weekend.

374 TheHardHat  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:58:57pm

I must be racist. I know BHO is black and I'm not voting for him.

I'm not voting for him because I dislike his lack of experience.
I dislike his failure to take a position on any and every major bill to have come up.
I dislike his desire to surrender to AQ.
I dislike his socialist ideology.

No, I'm not racist. I'm the honest one here.

375 A.W.  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 12:59:55pm

> It has more to do with the White Man's fear...

I am sorry, who is the "White Man?" Let's not lump people together that way.

There was a common white fear dating back centuries, which isn't very common today, indeed to my generation it is about as lively as the Dodo. Oh, I am sure there are a few knuckle-draggers who are around my age or younger, but bluntly most white people my age didn't know that this fear even existed until it was explained to them.

And more fundamentally, most of my generation has stopped noticing race at all. I mean, yes, I will notice if a person is black, but its a complete irrelevancy to me, except for the sad persistance of racism and its effects. I am truly post-racial.

But the Obama campaign is very last generation, where white people feel collective guilt for crimes they did not committ and think this is the way to repay it: by electing an unqualified man as president because he is black. And contrary to the claims otherwise, I have never seen the Obama phenominon as post-racial. It has always been about race, overwhelming every other subject. This is the liberals' attempt to prove to themselves something about race, while true post-racialists feel they have nothing to prove.

376 ladycatnip  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:02:55pm

McCain ad on Obama being The One - rips into his narcissim!

McCain needs to ad all the ridiculous messianic pics of Obama with a halo.

377 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:03:39pm

re: #369 dachew

Currently, the polls show McCain and Obama in a tie. That means McCain is actually in the lead because those likely Obama voters are not as likely to vote as are the likely McCain voters. The NYT knows this and they're scared.


Many different theories have been put forth to explain why polling always seems to shortchange Republican candidates.

Your explanation that Republicans actually go out and vote when they say they will (while more Dems stay home) is one of them. Another is that Republicans are more likely not to respond to polls at all (for a variety of reasons) skewing the results towards Democrats.

Those "in the know" (and that should include the Obama camp) know this. Also, the more sophisticated polling probably does compensate for this, and one would imagine (though it isn't necessarily true) that the candidates are using the best available polling to plot their strategies.

Lastly, I would really tend to discount ANY poll this early in the game. The Dem convention hasn't even happened yet, and there are still months to go, with an extremely high likelihood of polling changes in that time frame.

378 looking closely  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:05:56pm

re: #374 TheHardHat

I must be racist. I know BHO is black and I'm not voting for him.


Well, I know he's half-Black, and he's still not getting half my vote.

Also, I have it on pretty good authority that anyone who doesn't vote for John McCain is an ageist.

379 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:06:00pm

re: #306 medaura18586

Has it been a long week for you, too?

380 scott in east bay  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:13:01pm

Well, I'll come right out and say it: I won't be voting for Obama. And ONE of the reasons is that he a liberal black that sounds not much different from all the other race hustlers leftover from the 1960s. I would have no problem voting for a conservative black, but that's not who Obama is.

An ultra-liberal black president will be besieged by the racial grievance hucksters and he will be under tremendous pressure to toe the line on such "issues" as affirmative action, reparations, endless welfare, lack of personal responsibility and self-control. A liberal black president will not condemn the massive failures of the black community to come to grips with reality and deal with their place in it. A liberal black president will eventually start to echo the same tired leftover 60s race nonsense that most of America has rejected as the country evolves and moves on.

I am not a racist. But I will NOT vote for a black liberal for president. I wouldn't vote for a white one either.

381 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:13:38pm

re: #347 reine.de.tout

This isn't your blog, Meduara, and I would suggest that it's pretty arrogant of you to tell another commenter here to "beat it".

This isn't your blog either. There is only one person who can tell me whether I've stepped out of line.

Being called vile, stupid, and an Islamist for not thinking Alexander Hamilton was a great man and/or should have been president, make me feel more than justified in calling such person a dimwit, and for calling the same person a bigot for sympathizing with mass murderers.

I didn't see you writing novels to reprimand those folks who, according to you, have said some things to me that might be considered insulting. When you do, I'll start giving a rat's ass about your refereeing of this thread.

Straw man is singular, thank you master of the obvious, but said poster used it more than once in a previous thread, so it makes them plural. You gotta have agreement in number between possessive pronouns and the nouns they modify.

Next?

382 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:13:55pm

re: #379 Catttt

Yes it has...

383 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:17:18pm

I deeply resent this gotcha political game Barry is playing. I remember when President Johnson got the Civil Rights Act passed. Not everyone loved the guy - he wasn't charismatic, for sure but he got the damn job done.

I remember when Rev. King, Jr. and others worked in a positive way to make things better.

I live, shop, drive, and work in a multiracial environment. When we have arguments, it is man/woman to man/woman here. Maybe, I'll admit, it's just me, but NO ONE plays the damn race card. I hate the damn race card.

The NYT is being typically craven in jumping on any issue to boost Barry, and I am not shocked by them - they have no shame. I blame Barry and his staff.

This is an incredibly disgusting thing he is doing, and it smacks of stupidity, evil, and desperation. Sure, he's an empty suit. He's also a disgusting lunkhead.

384 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:17:53pm

re: #373 HoosierHoops

you know medaura..you really like to insult people here..
As for your comments about me being dumb or a fool..Maybe I'm a little of both..considered that?
I've got a good six weeks of blogging under my belt so for you to call me an expert in straw man arguments does me proud ( still not exactly sure about the straw man stuff..You build em up to knock em down?
Why do i need a straw man? Can't i just express an opinion? )
Anyhoo.. I don't want to make any enemies here cause it's too much dam fun..
So peace..and have a nice weekend.

Don't worry, stupidity alone won't get you banned, so keep building those weeks of blogging under your belt. If you don't want to make any "enemies" when why did you jump into the exchange I was having with someone else which did not concern you at all, to put words in my mouth (i.e all Serbs are pricks) which I have never once uttered?

385 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:18:23pm

re: #382 medaura18586

Yes it has...

{ {medaura} }

It's been that way here for everyone I know. Glad it is Friday.

386 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:19:32pm

I would say a sizable number of Obama's white supporters harbor guilty racist thoughts. You will find more racism in the Democratic party then you will in the Republican party. You can see their racism when they project their racist implications onto normal activities like John McCain. They are really talking about themselves but see their hatred in McCain.

And our local media here was in an uproar over the negative campaigning. They were seething. I say bring more of it on. With Rev Wright it was just an "oops pardon me" with a McCain negative ad you would think he suggested bringing slavery back.

Obama does want to play a negative racial politics. It appeared long before McCains ad. Democrats traditionally think they should be able to commit felonies and get away with it, where if McCain forgets to tie his shoes they want captical punishment.

387 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:20:58pm

re: #363 lizard by the bay

And I thought your comments about Kosovo were retarded. I had no idea you were just warming up.

Which comments? The ones where I explain how the issue is not about your beloved Jihad, or the ones where I denounce genocide sympathizers?

Because then you might logically inclined to think Charles' comments are retarded too.

Or maybe it's just you...

388 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:21:26pm

re: #381 medaura18586

Sounds like you think it's peachy keen for you to have opinions and make comments based on them, but it's not OK for others to do so.

btw, I did not say you "stepped out of line". Whatever your "line" is, you're the one who has to live with it. I hope you find it satisfying. I simply said that you were the one using "cheap epithets", not the others you accused. And then I quoted several of your comments.

You gotta have agreement in number between possessive pronouns and the nouns they modify.

You said "straw man", and then used "them". If you had said "strawman arguments", the "them" would have been OK. But you said "straw man", singular, and should have used "it".

389 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:21:59pm

re: #385 Catttt

{ {medaura} }

It's been that way here for everyone I know. Glad it is Friday.

I got so many assignments to finish by August 10th, it's not even funny!

It's Friday, I know. Good grief!

hugs right back at ya...

390 Scion9  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:22:19pm

The alleged juxtaposition of Obama to young white women isn't going to strike any of the right cords with the right demographic, even on a subliminal level.

Obama doesn't come across as having the requisite testosterone to even register that way among male voters.

Now, if they had juxtaposed him against some vapid young white men...

391 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:22:27pm

re: #388 reine.de.tout

Sounds like you think it's peachy keen for you to have opinions and make comments based on them, but it's not OK for others to do so.

btw, I did not say you "stepped out of line". Whatever your "line" is, you're the one who has to live with it. I hope you find it satisfying. I simply said that you were the one using "cheap epithets", not the others you accused. And then I quoted several of your comments.

You said "straw man", and then used "them". If you had said "strawman arguments", the "them" would have been OK. But you said "straw man", singular, and should have used "it".

Hey - it's my day off! No grammar! /

392 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:24:24pm

re: #390 Scion9

The alleged juxtaposition of Obama to young white women isn't going to strike any of the right cords with the right demographic, even on a subliminal level.

Obama doesn't come across as having the requisite testosterone to even register that way among male voters.

Now, if they had juxtaposed him against some vapid young white men...

It really got me when the Barry faction implied that ad was racist. It actually had not occurred to me that two of the examples were white women and one was a black guy. I was thinking "airhead celebrities." Silly me.

393 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:25:42pm

The Holy Obamamessiah and the socialist Democrats will save you with Universal Health Care.

The Holy Obamamessiah and the socialists will save you from big oil and evil corporations.

come worship the tired rhetoric.

394 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:27:52pm

re: #389 medaura18586

I got so many assignments to finish by August 10th, it's not even funny!

It's Friday, I know. Good grief!

hugs right back at ya...

Wish me luck, and I'll wish you luck. I'm actually studying for a test (SEC-related). I am too old for this studying thing! Sigh. Poor moi.

395 PattiO  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:28:41pm

Here's the link to the website the Obama hecklers banner earlier today. I'm sure Obama will want to be as far away from these people as possible. How exactly did they get such a primo spot behind him at the podium?
And he was worried about Rev. Wright!
[Link: www.uhurunews.com...]

396 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:28:42pm

re: #388 reine.de.tout

Sounds like you think it's peachy keen for you to have opinions and make comments based on them, but it's not OK for others to do so.

btw, I did not say you "stepped out of line". Whatever your "line" is, you're the one who has to live with it. I hope you find it satisfying. I simply said that you were the one using "cheap epithets", not the others you accused. And then I quoted several of your comments.

You said "straw man", and then used "them". If you had said "strawman arguments", the "them" would have been OK. But you said "straw man", singular, and should have used "it".

Good grief. S/he claims to not know what a "straw man" is, by definition, but s/he has used more than one instance of a "straw man", thus s/he has employed many "straw men".

What is this? Trying to force an equivocation by grammar misuse?

As for the cheap epithets being solely mine, are you kidding me?

re: #215 Dianna

That is insane, inaccurate, and ignorant.

Not more so than the way you are responding, unless you care to give some sources to justify your cheap epithets.

"Insane", "inaccurate", and "ignorant", completely unsolicited, hurled at me, do not count?

I did not even lower myself at Dianna's level by replying through the same, because though I thought the comment was inane and grating, I did not think it was uncivil.

Some "lifeofthemind" calling me an Islamist from Canada, and questioning my immigration status, gives me a blank check to respond in kind, whatever you or anyone else thinks of it.

As does someone slandering me by attributing me bigoted words I never once uttered "All Serbs are pricks".

Why don't you just stay out of this?

397 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:29:43pm

re: #394 Catttt

Good luck! The first step for both of us to make our own luck would be to step away from these threads though. Procrastination is our mutual enemy ;)

398 Dianna  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:33:04pm

re: #391 Catttt

Hey - it's my day off! No grammar! /

Agreed!

The social whirl of the last week has reduced me to incoherence.

399 Scion9  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:34:57pm

re: #392 Catttt

The ad wouldn't come across as 'racist' to any sane person. You would have to have some pretty deep rooted, subconscious fear of the 'scary black man' and his intentions towards your daughters, sisters, etc. Most people don't, so they won't see this 'attack' until it is pointed out.

However, it is irrelevant as Obama couldn't be a 'scary black man' even if he wanted to be. He is incapable of coming across as being predatory. The ad is being attacked because of its apparent effectiveness.

The alleged sublimal message aspect is just a distraction. Anything to detract from the actual message of the ad; that Obama isn't supported by an electorate, but by a fanclub.

400 shrike  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:35:56pm

Does John McCain look like any of the "presidents" on the US bills?

401 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:35:57pm

re: #397 medaura18586

Good luck! The first step for both of us to make our own luck would be to step away from these threads though. Procrastination is our mutual enemy ;)

Lol. Keep telling me that - I am terrible. The good news for me, though, is I'm studying in advance. My company has us take a week-long class before we take the test, and pretty much everyone says the class is a ton of help.

402 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:40:17pm

medaura:
As does someone slandering me by attributing me bigoted words I never once uttered "All Serbs are pricks".

That was me and was my mistake.. The Hoopster is sorry to you..I mixed you up with someone else..
Now if i slandered you i would have to say it..if i write it isn't it libel?
I always get those things mixed up..
anyhoo..I'm sorry medaura..

403 A.W.  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:41:05pm

Shrike,

Look like them? HE KNEW THEM.

(sorry, couldn't resist)

404 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:42:52pm

re: #399 Scion9

The ad wouldn't come across as 'racist' to any sane person. You would have to have some pretty deep rooted, subconscious fear of the 'scary black man' and his intentions towards your daughters, sisters, etc. Most people don't, so they won't see this 'attack' until it is pointed out.

However, it is irrelevant as Obama couldn't be a 'scary black man' even if he wanted to be. He is incapable of coming across as being predatory. The ad is being attacked because of its apparent effectiveness.

The alleged sublimal message aspect is just a distraction. Anything to detract from the actual message of the ad; that Obama isn't supported by an electorate, but by a fanclub.

Too true. I'm reminded of the great little movie The Crimson Kimono. Made in 1959 (directed by the underrated Sam Fuller), it was pretty much ahead of its time.

The theme was "you only see what you want to see." A white guy and an Asian guy (who are cops and partners) are in love with the same women - she falls for the Asian guy, and the Asian guy finally yells at the white guy that his friend is reacting to the fact that he is Asian. The white guy yells "You lunkhead! This is good, honest hate!" - not irrational, racist hate. E.g., - HE wanted the girl, dammit.

The flick is not for sale anywhere that I know of, but I taped it off TV years ago.

405 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:45:26pm

re: #402 HoosierHoops

Why, thank you. Apology accepted.

Now, interesting how the ding-bats (including reine.de.touts) gave you up-dings on that comment though, where you were attributing me those words. Did they also confuse me with someone else, or just had to jump into the bandwagon? Makes them look like idiots now.

Anyway, should I blurr the website on my nic it would be neither slander nor libel, as I would be unidentifiable and anonymous, as most of the people here are, and some of which use their anonymity to spew bile at others (Islamist from Canada, ehem?).

By the way, the person you are admittedly confusing me with, did not say ALL Serbs are pricks either.

Anyway, didn't mean to jump on you, but you can understand why I would be pissed, since I never said such a thing.

406 A.W.  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:46:37pm

Btw, James Taranto's take down of similar silliness from other parts of the web bears repeating:

> First of all, the notion that the McCain ad plays to stereotypes of black men as sexual predators is far-fetched. The invidious old stereotype has to do with black men as a threat to white feminine innocence, and it is hard to imagine two less innocent symbols than Hilton and Spears.

Ouch, that is going to leave a mark.

407 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:46:54pm

re: #398 Dianna

Agreed!

The social whirl of the last week has reduced me to incoherence.

Social Whirl? Ok - I'm jealous. My week was full of stuff like explaining why Asian securities are tanking and how cost basis works and how to enter data in Excel.

408 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:49:02pm

re: #407 Catttt

Social Whirl? Ok - I'm jealous. My week was full of stuff like explaining why Asian securities are tanking and how cost basis works and how to enter data in Excel.

Are you an analyst? I'm gonna try to get into that line of work myself here soon. Graduating in Honors Financial Econ.

Is there anyway one who loves sleep can manage to get by in such a career?

409 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:49:35pm

re: #372 inquisitive

OT
Is there any computer geeks on right now that might help.....Had to have sound device fixed on son's computer and had more ram added at the time(week ago). That night the computer rebooted it self(XP)
All week it has been doing it and getting more often. It has the blue screen, goes off and then boots back up. Have did google on error code BCCode: 1000008e and looked at several sights, but they give different reasons for this error. Could it be the ram or sound device they put on? Or am I looking at some other problem?

1. Remove the memory stick and see what happens..if it continues put the memory back in and remove the sound card and see what happens..
2. after taking the card and stick out of the computer we can eliminate those variables..
3. I don't know about google but your error points to either memory or the motherboard..probably the memory..
/hope that helps

410 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 1:55:38pm

re: #405 medaura18586

It's your tone I have objections to, not the ideas behind them.

It isn't necessary to be so harsh, or resort to name-calling. What you have to say will be given greater credence if you don't lower yourself to the same plane as those who toss out accusations that you are "islamist" or whatever. And now you've "accused" me of being a "ding-bat". I have not called you one name, not one.

Again, I hope the personal "line" you adhere to is satisfying for you.

Other folks here also have had a "bad week" on occasion. Really.

411 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:00:16pm

re: #408 medaura18586

Are you an analyst? I'm gonna try to get into that line of work myself here soon. Graduating in Honors Financial Econ.

Is there anyway one who loves sleep can manage to get by in such a career?

I'm a lowly registered representative. :D

The trick is to find a good company with a strong support structure. A lot of securities-related firms don't realize that their most important customer is the employee. Training, tools, and good management are critically important. There generally is a lot of over-time during busy seasons, and you do have to be able to stand pressure.

I know people who went to other companies (my company is really really excellent) and now are begging to come back.

And don't go out on your own unless you really know what you're doing and are a self-starter.

412 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:06:16pm

re: #410 reine.de.tout

Point taken... I apologize for being too harsh to you, but not to anyone else. HoosierHoops admitted to accidentally putting false words in my mouth and apologized, I accepted the apology, problem solved: my "tone" toward him/her has been adjusted to reflect that.

My question to you is a) why did you upding the comment where HoosierHoops claims I said something s/he now admits I never said and b) why don't you criticize all the vicious attacks against me like you took the time to write me several posts?

I never said a single unkind word to anyone without them attacking me first. It's been a long week and I'm edgy.

Either stay out of my disputes with others or try to be objective. I don't believe I am lowering myself at all by calling a dimwit someone who thinks I am an Islamist just because I originate from Albania, and I don't think "none of your fucking business" is an inappropriate response to the same user questioning my immigration status.

I am extremely comfortable with the "line" I am walking, thanks for asking. But I wish you no ill will.

413 ladycatnip  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:07:49pm

#386 hazyday

I would say a sizable number of Obama's white supporters harbor guilty racist thoughts. You will find more racism in the Democratic party then you will in the Republican party. You can see their racism when they project their racist implications onto normal activities like John McCain. They are really talking about themselves but see their hatred in McCain.

This is psych 101 - projecting your nature, character (or lack thereof in this case) onto other people. Liars assume everybody lies, adulterers assume everybody cheats, and racists assume everybody is a racist.

414 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:08:28pm

re: #411 Catttt

Thanks! What companies do you recommend in Manhattan?

I can take pressure and the more than occasional overtime, but I keep hearing horror stories about 3-hour-sleep-night weeks, and a structure that "breaks" you.

>hungry for specific advice!

415 GGMac  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:23:03pm

re: #262 FurryOldGuyJeans

I personally thought his reaction was far too polished for it to be an unknown and spontaneous "protest." It had to have been rehearsed ad infinitum, or else he would have been a lot less eloquent.

Agreed - very similar in tone and polish to the "Oh, someone's fainted here, clear the way, is there a doctor, give her my water bottle - ok, it's ok, she's going to be ok, just got a little faint" scenario. He was too quick with just the right things to say - something impossible for him to pull off without practice in front of a mirror.

416 ladycatnip  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:26:32pm

#367 FrogMarch

re: #25 Wearyman

THOU SHALT NOT CRITICIZE OBAMESSIAH, LEST YE BE LABELED A RACIST.

So Sayeth the New York Times, So Say We All.

/libtard mantra

That's pretty much it.

I'm wondering if the O and his followers will take their cues from islamic ragefests when criticized or mocked. I'm thinking of the riots in Paris, or the Italian nun killed in Somalia after "Pope Benedict XVI quoted a 14th Century Christian emperor who said the Prophet Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things." - (source of quote: Wikipedia)

It doesn't take much to set these people off, and we all know how libs clamor to understand root causes so every crime against humanity can be excused. Obama appears to be priming that pump - I shudder to think what will happen when he loses the election. It could spark racist riots across the nation, much like the Rodney King case did here in L.A.

417 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:33:37pm

re: #414 medaura18586

Thanks! What companies do you recommend in Manhattan?

I can take pressure and the more than occasional overtime, but I keep hearing horror stories about 3-hour-sleep-night weeks, and a structure that "breaks" you.

>hungry for specific advice!

Oooooh, Manhattan. :D I love NY. I can't recommend any specific company, but this article might help you analyze the companies and find a really well-managed one:

Good work - how companies manage finance employees

CFO: Magazine for Senior Financial Executives, Sept, 2001 by Roy Harris

418 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:34:34pm

re: #417 Catttt

Thanks a million. I bookmarked it. Hope the analysis is still valid today!

419 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:38:51pm
re: #412 medaura18586

Point taken... I apologize for being too harsh to you, but not to anyone else. HoosierHoops admitted to accidentally putting false words in my mouth and apologized, I accepted the apology, problem solved: my "tone" toward him/her has been adjusted to reflect that.

My question to you is a) why did you upding the comment where HoosierHoops claims I said something s/he now admits I never said and b) why don't you criticize all the vicious attacks against me like you took the time to write me several posts?

a. Goes back, again, to tone. He/she disagreed without sounding like he/she was shrieking.
b. I saw those comments as untrue, and insulting, but not vicious since they were so obviously untrue.

I never said a single unkind word to anyone without them attacking

me first. It's been a long week and I'm edgy.

True.

Either stay out of my disputes with others or try to be objective. I don't believe I am lowering myself at all by calling a dimwit someone who thinks I am an Islamist just because I originate from Albania, and I don't think "none of your fucking business" is an inappropriate response to the same user questioning my immigration status.

I am extremely comfortable with the "line" I am walking, thanks for asking. But I wish you no ill will.

Nor do I wish you any ill will.

A day or two ago, I got aggravated and upset because I felt I had been addressed discourteously, for no reason.

So, I just left for awhile, had to get my perspective back. And the bottom line (for me anyhow) is this - in the grand scheme of my life, what other people here say about me or how they address me, is completely unimportant. And to allow those folks, who I don't know, to have such power over me that they can upset me that badly is, well, not smart.

Hope your week gets better!

420 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:39:42pm

re: #414 medaura18586

Thanks! What companies do you recommend in Manhattan?

I can take pressure and the more than occasional overtime, but I keep hearing horror stories about 3-hour-sleep-night weeks, and a structure that "breaks" you.

>hungry for specific advice!

...and I can recommend a place in Baltimore, off the record (e.g., via e-mail). However, you should know that Baltimore is not by any stretch of the imagination Manhattan. :D

421 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:44:57pm

re: #420 Catttt

>shudders...

I would never live in Baltimore, not even for a dream job/comoany. I'm married too, and so I can't just pack my bags. What an awful place, parts of Baltimore!

If you think of anything in Manhattan though, please email me. Or email me over anything else that strikes your fancy and you'd like to talk about ;)

422 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:45:57pm

re: #420 Catttt

those pictures are awesome though. You sure that's Baltimore?

423 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:47:49pm

re: #418 medaura18586

Thanks a million. I bookmarked it. Hope the analysis is still valid today!

It's an excellent article - it's intended for executives who want to improve their companies, but it really covers the subject. The important things don't change.

424 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:55:21pm

re: #422 medaura18586

those pictures are awesome though. You sure that's Baltimore?

Oh yeah, hon. :D

Here - this is more like it:


Vintage America

"Baltimore is so quirky it could be straight out of a John Waters movie. Actually, much of it is ..."

425 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 2:58:31pm

I hereby declare this thread as MINE.

426 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 3:00:20pm

re: #425 Catttt

I hereby declare this thread as MINE.

And you're welcome to it!

427 Catttt  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 3:04:47pm

Queen of the thread, I. :D

428 medaura18586  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 3:10:49pm

no!

Mutiny!

429 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 3:11:15pm

re: #402 HoosierHoops

Uh- yeah. I was the one who said that, and it's unfortunate that it's being used to tar others. But- before people get too harsh with my assessment, perhaps they should go back and read that entire thread. I found it quite shocking to be told I'd be given a pass on that comment had I targeted a different group. I believe that's called hypocrisy. As I said on that thread- I'm sure there are individual Serbs that are decent people, but from what I've seen of their group behavior, I have no problem calling them "pricks" for their thuggish, ethnocentric behavior towards their neighbors and towards America.

430 AZDave  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 3:42:32pm

re: #350 karmic_inquisitor

Elmer Fudd abuses animals! Are you trying to imply that Obama abuses animals!?

/

I can't for sure. But if he does, I'm sure it's done in the privacy (and comfort) of his own home.

431 Star Tripper  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 4:36:22pm

Collegues and I discussed this "racist" accusation and wondered what male figure you could use who would elicit the thought of "famous for being famous" that Paris and Britney do. The best one mentioned was Sanjaya from American Idol.

432 jorline  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 5:03:30pm

re: #405 medaura18586

Why, thank you. Apology accepted.

Now, interesting how the ding-bats (including reine.de.touts) gave you up-dings on that comment though, where you were attributing me those words. Did they also confuse me with someone else, or just had to jump into the bandwagon? Makes them look like idiots now.

Anyway, should I blurr the website on my nic it would be neither slander nor libel, as I would be unidentifiable and anonymous, as most of the people here are, and some of which use their anonymity to spew bile at others (Islamist from Canada, ehem?).

By the way, the person you are admittedly confusing me with, did not say ALL Serbs are pricks either.

Anyway, didn't mean to jump on you, but you can understand why I would be pissed, since I never said such a thing.

Like reine.de.tout, I find your general tone offensive. You have received down dings from me and others have up dings because of how you present yourself and not always on your content. I know who made the “Serbs are pricks” comment, but your down ding was based on your sharp tongue and belittling of others. Seems funny how people cheer the underdog.

Case in point;

re: #204 Mardukhai
The Serbs have been living in a very tough part of the world since the Ottoman Turk invasion of the fourteenth century. They, and their Croat, Greek, and Albanian neighbors learned a lot of bad habits from the Ottomans, mainly Islamic-style tribalism.
There are no good guys in that part of the world.
No good guys except for the Serbs, of course!
You, sir/madam are a frigging idiot!
Mardukhai never said the Serbs were the good guys…and then you call him an idiot? Mardukhai’s comment was addressed to Sharm…not you; He never had any dialog with you before this post. He may have been inaccurate, but he never attacked you personally…thus he never deserved the frigging idiot comment.

Seem you stuck your nose into Mardukhai’s and Sharm’s debate.

I’m stumped why you made this comment to HH;

Don't worry, stupidity alone won't get you banned, so keep building those weeks of blogging under your belt. If you don't want to make any "enemies" when why did you jump into the exchange I was having with someone else which did not concern you at all, to put words in my mouth (i.e all Serbs are pricks) which I have never once uttered?

I don’t know you from Adam and you may be a very nice and considerate person; if that’s the case your “love light” is not shining through. You come across as a mean spirited, rude jerk…then again I may be wrong. I see numerous people with differing opinions here that present their beliefs and points of view in a positive manor. I personally dislike elitist, pompous and disingenuous people with nasty comments.

The old saying that perception is reality is very true.

I noticed that you accepted HH’s apology, but never offered one yourself…all you tried to do is justify your point of view.

“Anyway, didn't mean to jump on you, but you can understand why I would be pissed, since I never said such a thing”.

In this post you rubbed it in HH’s face about not understanding the “Straw Man”. When he told you he did not understand the comment, to your credit, you explained it to him…only after belittling him.

You appear to be a very intelligent person, use your knowledge to educate your fellow lizards. Stop acting like you’re suffering from Blog Rage.

I wish you well and I really look forward to up dinging you soon.

433 nadadhimmi  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 7:54:16pm

re: #9 newsjunkie_ky

obama is a celebrity is racist?
he is on the front cover of every celebrity mag, he campaigns with oprah, and appears regularly on 'entertainment' oriented shows. He is a celebritard.

His race endemnifies him from all criticism. Now THAT! is racist.

434 swamprat  Fri, Aug 1, 2008 9:09:35pm

re: #16 joncelli

Anybody want to bet that the NYT will come up with an October surprise that just happens to benefit the O man? Five bucks. Anybody?


Here you go; they already have a mole here in Little Green Footballs;

435 Jed  Sat, Aug 2, 2008 6:15:11am

It is racist to say that the ad was racist.

No reasonable person would think of race as significant in that ad.


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