Yeah, I left that water there. My bad. Sorry.

Colonize Mars Now!

I am waiting for when they find hydrocarbons to start thinking about colonization.

No bio-matter.

If that......matters.

Lemon is the best!

/especially Morone's

re: #3 The Other Les

Colonize Mars Now!

From red states to the red planet?

It was simple, they just looked near the dinosaur tracks.

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Martian slushies all around!

I was gonna say; can Slurpees be far behind?

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

I am waiting for when they find hydrocarbons to start thinking about colonization.

We have to make our own when we get there.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #4 FurryOldGuyJeans

Well, they did find 'em on Titan.

Bushitler machine despoils Martian Wildlife Refuge

re: #7 JamesTKirk

From red states to the red planet?

Yes!

Can we send all the moonbats there now, I'll chip in for the tickets.

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bushitler machine despoils Martian Wildlife Refuge

Groan!

G_d put it there because he wanted to. :)

Absolutely amazing. I suppose the next step is to search for evidence of micro-organisms- perhaps in the areas where there is evidence that water once flowed on Mars. What a fascinating discovery that would be.

NASA needs to bring some back so Obama can walk on it.

Now that we can make cocktails civilization will move in.

re: #12 lawhawk

Well, they did find 'em on Titan.

re: #12 lawhawk

Well, they did find 'em on Titan.

And the fact they were evaporating.

Must be those damn Titan SUVs causing Global Warming.

No doubt with a little help from the on-board equipment built by the folks at UT-Dallas.

/yee-haw

/okay, technically they're in richardson, not dallas

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Martian slushies all around!

Awww- I wanted a martian margarita.

"Water, water, every where,
Nor any drop to drink. "
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
The Rime of the Ancient Mariner
[Link: historyofideas.org...]

Just don't drill for oil on Mars. Everything else is OK.

When do we get to see martian footprints being chased by martian dinosaurs?

re: #23 Sharmuta

Here you go: [Link: farm1.static.flickr.com...]

Obama left it there on his Victory Tour of the Universe. It will cause the planet to flourish.

re: #6 littleoldlady

Lemon is the best!

/especially Morone's

Just tried to look it up. Is Philadelphia the only place they call "snow cones" and "slushies" water ice?

I was recently privileged to hear Dr. Charles Elachi speak on this mission. The whole thing was fascinating. When you ponder the sheer number of things that had to be done right, with no room for error, (in light of the seemingly boundless propensity for humans to err) the mind truly boggles at this achievement.

re: #26 lifeofthemind

I'm guessing that if we could find microscopic life on Mars, the evolutionary process was halted by whatever transpired to make Mars the uninhabitable planet we see now.

So, what will bigotry against Martians or Martian SETTLERS be called?

re: #15 oronpam

Can we send all the moonbats there now, I'll chip in for the tickets.

Let them take the bus they've been running Bush over with for the past 8 years!

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bushitler machine despoils Martian Wildlife Refuge

Speaking of Bushitler, I was just listening to Rush (he's celebrating 20 years on the air today) and he got a nice phone call from Kennebunkport, Maine, and congratulations from GWB, Bush 41 (W referred to him as "41"), and Jeb. Jeb said he's currently focused on helping political candidates with their education reform strategies.

re: #33 Ben Hur

So, what will bigotry against Martians or Martian SETTLERS be called?

Planetism.

re: #33 Ben Hur

So, what will bigotry against Martians or Martian SETTLERS be called?

Terracentrism

It was global warming that did this to Mars!

Ice, but is there any bourbon?

It was expected, but still a milestone for science and space exploration; the Phoenix Mars Lander has definitively proved the existence of water on Mars.

Now if NASA could just figure out what the temperature on earth is.

re: #31 buzzsawmonkey

Mars Mojitos!

Marsitos?

Water Ice Confirmed on Mars

Excellent. Now if they can find some scotch..

Were there frozen dinosaur footprints in the ice?

re: #33 Ben Hur

So, what will bigotry against Martians or Martian SETTLERS be called?

I know if it were Io they'd all be Ionists.

re: #37 The Other Les

Terracentrism

Earthocentrism?

re: #7 JamesTKirk

From red states to the red planet?

No L³iberals allowed!

Check for oil, while yer at it...

re: #38 Ford_Prefect

It was global warming that did this to Mars!

Actually- Mars is experiencing warming- about the same rate as Earth's.

Hmmm- whatever could be doing that?

The NYT blog reports that McCain said it was actually black ice NASA found on mars.

/kidding, oh wait I better go look.

Statistically a tie. Oh half wit (I'm the other half).

"You will do your work on water,
An' you'll lick the bloomin' boots of 'im that's got it"

Rudyard Kipling.
Gunga Din

re: #46 Iron Fist

No L³iberals allowed!

Give them their own rock - Moonbats and Lunatics belong on the Moon.

re: #44 karmic_inquisitor

I know if it were Io they'd all be Ionists.

But is Ionism racism?

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Bushitler machine despoils Martian Wildlife Refuge

pod person

re: #48 Sharmuta

SUVs. It has to be the SUVs.

re: #29 littleoldlady

Just tried to look it up. Is Philadelphia the only place they call "snow cones" and "slushies" water ice?

Yes. And Boston is the only place on the planet where they call water fountains "bubblers".

re: #54 looking closely

But is Ionism racism?

IT IS!

If there are Martian bacteria out there, I wonder what they've learned to eat.

re: #12 lawhawk

Well, they did find 'em on Titan.

I know. :)

Would love to see The Left go through contortions if there was even a hint of a NASA mission being sent for looking into the quantities of hydrocarbons with a view to possible recovery, either on Mars or Titan.

re: #48 Sharmuta

Algorism, fer sure!

re: #56 Iron Fist

Yes- all two of them. ;)

Imagine being the first man and woman to get laid on Mars....

re: #56 Iron Fist

SUVs. It has to be the SUVs.

The Martians can't go on with their thermostats set too high and their tire pressure too low!

Change!

re: #50 Peacekeeper

Statistically a tie. Oh half wit (I'm the other half).

But you're the one who dragged fancy, Frenchified "bourbon" into all of this. Ooh la la, Mr. Park Avenue Manicure.

re: #19 karmic_inquisitor

LOL

re: #40 jpkoch

Now if NASA could just figure out what the temperature on earth is.

What, and shoot holes in the global warming fraud?

re: #33 Ben Hur

"Welcome To Chabad House -- Bring Moshiach Now."

"We may discover resources on the moon or Mars that will boggle the imagination, that will test our limits to dream. And the fascination generated by further exploration will inspire our young people to study math, and science, and engineering and create a new generation of innovators and pioneers."

GEORGE W. BUSH, speech at NASA Headquarters, Jan. 14, 2004

re: #48 Sharmuta

Actually- Mars is experiencing warming- about the same rate as Earth's.

Hmmm- whatever could be doing that?

It's all Bush's fault. If only he'd signed Kyoto...

/

garbage collectors to begin inspecting San Francisco trash to make sure everything is seperated for recycling AND composting.

re: #63 Ay, Caramba

Imagine being the first man and woman to get laid on Mars....

My mind boggles.

re: #65 Occasional Reader

But you're the one who dragged fancy, Frenchified "bourbon" into all of this. Ooh la la, Mr. Park Avenue Manicure.

French Fried Bourbon?
yum

Frank J. weighs in.

Did you know that Water on Mars may have been confirmed? Do you know how important this is?

I sure don't. I'm pretty sure we have plenty of water here. The other day it was falling on me and it made me mad.

I guess what is it important about it is that you need water for life, so there's the possibility of life on Mars. And do you what life does? It dies. And do you know what dead things do? They become oil!

Are you thinking what I'm thinking?

If McCain really wants to shake this election up, he need to come out and announce, "I propose a manned mission to Mars within my presidency. And when we get to the planet, we will drill the mother@#$%."

You can get more hope and change than drilling Mars for oil.

Of course, environmentalists are going to be screaming, "You can't drill on Mars! You'll ruin its pristine prissiness!"

I hate those people! I wish could drill them in the stomach with a big industrial drill!

The fact is, Mars is an enemy planet. That been long established. We can drill it all we want and we shouldn't feel bad. It's not like I'm proposing we drill right in Olympus Mons. Mars is big -- like bigger than Alaska -- there are plenty of places to drill.

So what if there is life on Mars and they get angry at us for taking their oil? Here's the thing: They're homeless. Since it's most people understanding that you have to have a home on Earth to not be considered homeless, all life on Mars is homeless. And common law says we can do whatever we want to homeless people since they don't have homes. So I say we lock them up in Gitmo.

"But didn't the Supreme Court say we can't lock anyone up in Gitmo?" you ask. I planned for that. We also lock the Supreme Court up in Gitmo. Then when people go to the Supreme Court to complain about us locking up Martians, they'll be like, "Where is everyone?" Because the only one there will be angry, violent Scalia, and he'll rule as he always rules: "Kill them all!"

Wait; how do we get the oil back? Maybe a large catapult? Or I could repurpose the Mexi-Cannon™. We'll hammer something out.

re: #32 Sharmuta

I'm guessing that if we could find microscopic life on Mars, the evolutionary process was halted by whatever transpired to make Mars the uninhabitable planet we see now.

From some of the reading I have done it was, in part or in whole, a massive bombardment by a swarm of meteors or something similar. The damage was significant enough to have plowed through the planet and blasted up Mons Olympus, and ripped off nearly the entire northern hemisphere's crust to quite a depth.

re: #59 jaunte

If there are Martian bacteria out there, I wonder what they've learned to eat.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There are some amazing "lifestyles" on this planet.

We better take steps to prevent AGW on Mars. Let's send Al Gore.

re: #23 Sharmuta

Awww- I wanted a martian margarita.

"Sharm" -

You beat me to it - Mine was a "MARTIAN MARTINI" - stirred, not shaken.

-S-

re: #76 karmic_inquisitor

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

There are some amazing "lifestyles" on this planet.

So it's a "diverse" planet?

/hee-hee

re: #74 razorbacker

In Jerry Pournelle's novel BIRTH OF FIRE (which I also think would make a great movie) the main export to Earth was uranium.

re: #48 Sharmuta

Actually- Mars is experiencing warming- about the same rate as Earth's.

Hmmm- whatever could be doing that?

Come on, it's obvious. The glare off of all the glass buildings and car windshields is causing Mars to warm up. It's all our fault.
/

re: #77 rabidsquirrel

We better take steps to prevent AGW on Mars. Let's send Al Gore.

Don't you mean Al Gor-el?

re: #63 Ay, Caramba

Imagine being the first man and woman to get laid on Mars....

How about being the first one born on Mars?

Since they're always so hard-core about being "green", I say we send all the members of EF to Mars straight away. They should have it terra-formed in short order, no?
/

Well this rules out Sandworms. Sigh.

So, water evolved on Mars?

re: #85 Slumbering Behemoth

Since they're always so hard-core about being "green", I say we send all the members of EF to Mars straight away. They should have it terra-formed in short order, no?
/

There will be plenty of organic waste that can be used to fertilize the Martian soil.

Personally I think they just found a Martian commode.

I wonder what Darwin would think?

re: #3 The Other Les

Colonize Mars Now!

Do the Palestinians get to carve out their area first?

A new homeland for the "Dome of the Meteor".

re: #86 Peacekeeper

Well this rules out Sandworms. Sigh.

Sandworms are highly overrated as a mode of transportation.

Related:

Liquid Found On Surface Of Saturn's Moon Titan

At least one of many large, lakelike features on Saturn's moon Titan studied by the international Cassini spacecraft contains liquid hydrocarbons, making it the only body in the solar system besides Earth known to have liquid on its surface, NASA said Wednesday.

Scientists positively identified the presence of ethane, according to a statement from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, which manages the Cassini mission exploring Saturn, its rings and moons.

Liquid ethane is a component of crude oil.

re: #91 jorline

Do the Palestinians get to carve out their area first?

A new homeland for the "Dome of the Meteor".

I think a dome over the Olympus Mons caldera would be pretty cool.

re: #53 karmic_inquisitor

Give them their own rock - Moonbats and Lunatics belong on the Moon.

Well..."The Moon is a Harsh Mistress" ^{with apologies to the good Doctor Heinlein}

re: #92 The Other Les

Sandworms are highly overrated as a mode of transportation.

And they don't taste no where near as good as one would expect.

re: #93 Sharmuta

Liquid ethane is a component of crude oil.

Drill on Titan now!

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

And they don't taste no where near as good as one would expect.

Got to use the right marinade.

re: #98 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No... the right combination of Spices...

re: #96 Slumbering Behemoth

And they don't taste no where near as good as one would expect.

I heard they taste like chicken.

re: #95 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I believe that's Lieutenant Heinlein.

Azimov is the doctor, Clarke is the knight.

re: #101 The Other Les

I stand corrected... Except that old Bob did have it piled deeper and higher...

When he learned to make the oceans recede, Obama practiced on Mars first.

Cue the David Bowie -- "It's a godawful small affair..."

re: #97 Ford_Prefect

Drill on Titan now!

Earth First! Drill Mars and Titan Later.

re: #97 Ford_Prefect

Drill on Titan now!

Actually in Sir Arthur C. Clarke's novel IMPERIAL EARTH the main export from Titan was hydrogen as fusion fuel and reaction mass.

The new McCain ad has been posted (via drudge).

The One

re: #101 The Other Les

I believe that's Lieutenant Heinlein.

Azimov is the doctor, Clarke is the knight.

And Mercury is the Queen.

re: #102 Conservative in Liberal Hands

I stand corrected... Except that old Bob did have it piled deeper and higher...

A lot of his characters did.

re: #71 Eowyn2

garbage collectors to begin inspecting San Francisco trash to make sure everything is separated for recycling AND composting.

What a great job!

Obama proposes $1,000 per taxpayer bribe to be elected President.

He's economically illiterate.

$1,000 to offset energy costs, which will raise inflation further, will not actually reduce the energy costs (increased supply coupled with decreased demand does that!) and would be funded by yet another tax on oil company profits (gee, that feels good as we drive another indigenous industry into the ash heap of history, even as the oil companies only make pennies on the dollar compared with other industries).

re: #97 Ford_Prefect

Actually- I was wondering if this might throw a wrench in the idea that oil is fossil based if we could confirm it exists elsewhere in the solar system. I was reading somewhere recently that there is a new theory that earth produces oil as some sort of by-product.

re: #97 Ford_Prefect

Drill on Titan now!

Stay away from Europa...

re: #107 karmic_inquisitor

The new McCain ad has been posted (via drudge).

WOW! Talk about the truth hurts more than anything else.

INTELLIGENT DESIGN

er

EARTH IS 2000 YEARS OLD

errr.

EARTH IS CENTER OF UNIVERSE

/tin foil flavored kool aid

In other super-cool science news, be sure to have the kids ready for next week's particle collision smackdown!

The imagery in The One is even better than the audio that Rush played.

Heston parts the Sea, and the Seal of Obama appears!

re: #113 Leonidas Hoplite

Talking to monoliths you're not familiar with may be hazardous to your health.

It was expected, but still a milestone for science and space exploration; the Phoenix Mars Lander has definitively proved the existence of water on Mars.

Great news. Now when can we expect the first shipment of moonbats to depart for planet Rosie? Do we have to wait for Obama to lose by the largest and most embarrassing landslide since McGovern?

I want bottled Martian water!

re: #117 karmic_inquisitor

It's about time McCain took the gloves off. Now he needs to put on the brass knuckles...

re: #118 lawhawk

Talking to monoliths you're not familiar with may be hazardous to your health.

Indeed...and at a minimum will really, really hurt your ears

re: #68 littleoldlady

"Welcome To Chabad House -- Bring Moshiach Now."

Excellent. Hits a bit too close to home, however. [hmmm, maybe I do live on Mars...]

re: #111 lawhawk

Being a superior being means never having to learn real economics.

Besides that, Obama is the embodiment of the collective will the functionally dumb.

re: #117 karmic_inquisitor

The imagery in The One is even better than the audio that Rush played.

Heston parts the Sea, and the Seal of Obama appears!

I hope he has his tire pressure gage at the ready.

re: #112 Sharmuta

Actually- I was wondering if this might throw a wrench in the idea that oil is fossil based if we could confirm it exists elsewhere in the solar system. I was reading somewhere recently that there is a new theory that earth produces oil as some sort of by-product.

Interesting. But then how do we know that there aren't fossils on other planets/moons? We barely know our own planet, I think it is difficult to make assumptions about others.

re: #32 Sharmuta

I'm guessing that if we could find microscopic life on Mars, the evolutionary process was halted by whatever transpired to make Mars the uninhabitable planet we see now.

I will fearlessly predict that genuine fossil footprints of 5 toed bipeds being chased by 3 toed beasts are as likely to be found on Mars as on Earth.

re: #117 karmic_inquisitor

I liked the Celeb ad better.

re: #111 lawhawk

Obama proposes $1,000 per taxpayer bribe to be elected President.

He's economically illiterate.

$1,000 to offset energy costs, which will raise inflation further, will not actually reduce the energy costs (increased supply coupled with decreased demand does that!) and would be funded by yet another tax on oil company profits (gee, that feels good as we drive another indigenous industry into the ash heap of history, even as the oil companies only make pennies on the dollar compared with other industries).

"Hawk" -

And here I thought Sen. Obama was running for US President - Guess he decided "Outlaw of Sherwood Forrest" is more to his taste.

-S-

re: #113 Leonidas Hoplite

Stay away from Europa...

Watch out for Monoliths.

The best waterice in my opinion in the Philadelphia area goes to John's at 7th and Christian Street in South Philly. Their pineapple is fabulous and all made with fresh fruit.
Hey Little Old Lady!

re: #111 lawhawk

Obama proposes $1,000 per taxpayer bribe to be elected President.

He's economically illiterate.

$1,000 to offset energy costs, which will raise inflation further, will not actually reduce the energy costs (increased supply coupled with decreased demand does that!) and would be funded by yet another tax on oil company profits (gee, that feels good as we drive another indigenous industry into the ash heap of history, even as the oil companies only make pennies on the dollar compared with other industries).

He is very literate in Marxist/Socialist Economic Theory. That theory just keeps being disproved time and time again when tried, though.

Mars needs Monkeys!

re: #128 Ford_Prefect

That's just it- oil might be naturally occurring. No need for fossils. Let me see if I can find the article.

re: #136 Peacekeeper

Mars needs Monkeys!

Dude, Mars needs women.

Big news & not unexpected. Hey I saw Alien.
I missed the last thread. If the NY Times and Barry Hussein didn't like that ad, they will go mental with the new one that Limbaugh just played on the radio.
It takes all of Obamas narcissistic comments & a voice over keeps referring to him as "The One"
It covers , We are the ones that we have been waiting for."
'This is our time , this is our moment." "The seas will cease to rise & the Earth will heal."
At the end, Limbaugh says the visual is Charlton Heston as Moses parting the sea & the faux presidential seal appears.
It is obvious that they are laying out his meeianic delusions. In other words , Barry is a head case.

re: #130 DeafDog

I liked the Celeb ad better.

I think this one will make them squirm more.

They will go "the out of context" route and "negative campaigning" route.

When he does, McCain has a very tidy retort - the whole "100 years" distortion which Obama is guilty of and was doing in March, which brings the discussion of Iraq back into the news, as well as Obama's quotes from back then.

The McCain campaign has seized the initiative (finally).

re: #111 lawhawk

Obama proposes $1,000 per taxpayer bribe to be elected President.

He's economically illiterate.

$1,000 to offset energy costs, which will raise inflation further, will not actually reduce the energy costs (increased supply coupled with decreased demand does that!) and would be funded by yet another tax on oil company profits (gee, that feels good as we drive another indigenous industry into the ash heap of history, even as the oil companies only make pennies on the dollar compared with other industries).

Bribery - how novel, what a change!
But - will those who did not vote for him also get their $1,000 bribe?

BREAKING NEWS:

Water confirmed on Gore's brain.

re: #139 opnion

The ad is now on line: The One

re: #107 karmic_inquisitor

The new McCain ad has been posted (via drudge).

Rush was saying today that that one will really tick off the Obamatons.

Here Ford-

Deep Oil Deposits Replenishing Themselves

re: #116 patrickafir

Large hadron cage match!

re: #117 karmic_inquisitor

The imagery in The One is even better than the audio that Rush played.

Heston parts the Sea, and the Seal of Obama appears!

I have to say that what bothers me about these ads is the same thing that bothered me about McCain during the primary debates. Sometimes his attacks come off as personal jibes. Now I am not saying that the ads are inaccurate, and radio or TV personalities pointing these things out is fine with me, I just don't think that a person who trying to be our President should be stooping to this kind of thing. Can you imagine Reagan doing this? Stick to the facts and the issues, that will win enough votes.

re: #141 yma o hyd

Bribery - how novel, what a change!
But - will those who did not vote for him also get their $1,000 bribe?

Half of the oil companies' profits go to the government in the form of taxes already.

re: #137 Sharmuta

That's just it- oil might be naturally occurring. No need for fossils. Let me see if I can find the article.

So the "Fossils become Coal and Oil" meme will possibly soon be seen as poor a connection as Phlogiston and Luminous Aether, eh? Amazing what happens when scientists keep asking questions and looking for answers.

re: #148 Ford_Prefect

I have to say that what bothers me about these ads is the same thing that bothered me about McCain during the primary debates. Sometimes his attacks come off as personal jibes. Now I am not saying that the ads are inaccurate, and radio or TV personalities pointing these things out is fine with me, I just don't think that a person who trying to be our President should be stooping to this kind of thing. Can you imagine Reagan doing this? Stick to the facts and the issues, that will win enough votes.

I would agree with you, except the number of things that Obama will actually come out and admit are his policies is vanishingly small. What are you left to attack if your opponent has no position?

re: #141 yma o hyd

Bribery - how novel, what a change!
But - will those who did not vote for him also get their $1,000 bribe?

Didn't Mondale or someone try the $1000 bribe before?

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

So the citizens of San Francisco not only become unpaid volunteers for the SF Department of Sanitation, scrabbling through their trash to separate it for recycling, but now inspectors are being paid to check up on them and fine them?

Swell triplication of effort and duplication of expense. It's that kind of thinking that made the Soviet Union a financial powerhouse.

I swear the LLL exchange ideas across the Pond!
This is exactly what has been introduced by our NuLab government, and lots of local councils have to do it here already.
Never mind the outcry of the citizens, gotta save the planet for the children ...
(Oh - and local taxes are not lowered just because you're made to put some refuse workes out of a job!)

re: #137 Sharmuta

How many billions of barrels of oil have we pulled out of the ground? Is it mathematically possible that fossils created all that crude? How much crude does a couple of decomposing trees produce?
There must have been lots and lots of dead things in what is now Saudi land.

re: #153 lifeofthemind

Didn't Mondale or someone try the $1000 bribe before?

McGovern -- and you see where that got him.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Here Ford-

Deep Oil Deposits Replenishing Themselves

For some reason I can't link to the whole story, but this certainly is an interesting theory. The question is, is this the result of new oil being produced, or just deeper reserves then we thought were there?

re: #155 Ay, Caramba

There must have been lots and lots of dead things in what is now Saudi land.

Well- there is that "slay them where ever you find them" thing.

re: #156 joncelli

Make it $1500 and I might consider it.

re: #152 vxbush

I would agree with you, except the number of things that Obama will actually come out and admit are his policies is vanishingly small. What are you left to attack if your opponent has no position?

The fact that he has positions.

re: #135 FurryOldGuyJeans

He is very literate in Marxist/Socialist Economic Theory. That theory just keeps being disproved time and time again when tried, though.

As I said, economically illiterate.

Yes, he's truly engaging in the Marxist/socialist economics. He's also engaging in demagoguery in giving the people what they want to hear - without noting the costs...

re: #144 buzzsawmonkey

Well, since it's secret ballot, they can't know who did or didn't vote for the Obamessiah.

Or can they?

Yes they can!
(After they've won the elections - you don't think they'll hand out the smackeroonies straightaway? that would be ... crude ...)

You can see why there are lots of dead things in Saudi Arabia, those scimitars never get a rest. They keep replenishing their oil supplies with new and improved dead bodies.

As for ice on Mars, that's good, it will keep my drinks cold. Who wants warm beer?

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

So the citizens of San Francisco not only become unpaid volunteers for the SF Department of Sanitation, scrabbling through their trash to separate it for recycling, but now inspectors are being paid to check up on them and fine them?

Swell triplication of effort and duplication of expense. It's that kind of thinking that made the Soviet Union a financial powerhouse.

As s form of protest, the citizens there should put all the trash in the recycling barrel, and all the recycled stuff in the trash barrel.

re: #143 karmic_inquisitor

The ad is now on line: The One

Oh man this is a beautiful thing. They will go bat shit!

re: #140 karmic_inquisitor

The Celeb ad needs follow-up. I agree with that. In fact, for the next couple of weeks Mac & Co. need 4 or 5 more ads that poke at Barak's shallow resume. Hammer the point home. As we remember, Hillary started her come-back when she started pointing out that Barak was an empty suit in the "it's 3am" ads.

The Paris/Britany compare was brilliant because of the media buzz it created. I don't know if Chuck Heston as Moses will have the same umpf.

re: #158 Sharmuta

Well- there is that "slay them where ever you find them" thing.

So now we importing dead infidels? Will the madness never end?

re: #161 lawhawk

As I said, economically illiterate.

Yes, he's truly engaging in the Marxist/socialist economics. He's also engaging in demagoguery in giving the people what they want to hear - without noting the costs...

He's engaging in Chicago politics.

re: #160 Ford_Prefect

The fact that he has no positions.

PIMF

re: #157 Ford_Prefect

For some reason I can't link to the whole story, but this certainly is an interesting theory. The question is, is this the result of new oil being produced, or just deeper reserves then we thought were there?

It must be seeping in from other voids (more reserves than originally thought).

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

So the citizens of San Francisco not only become unpaid volunteers for the SF Department of Sanitation, scrabbling through their trash to separate it for recycling, but now inspectors are being paid to check up on them and fine them?

Swell triplication of effort and duplication of expense. It's that kind of thinking that made the Soviet Union a financial powerhouse.

It is the return of the corveé. The aristos fly overhead in private jets and send the official truth out through a special priesthood of union teachers and journalists.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Here Ford-

Deep Oil Deposits Replenishing Themselves

Whoa!

Meanwhile, Obama's fellow Democrats are busy turning out the lights - literally and figuratively.

Pelosi adjourned the House, even as the GOPers were trying to debate the energy issue. Hilarity ensued.

The joke remains on us - as Democrats continue to play politics with US energy policy.

re: #170 Ward Cleaver

It must be seeping in from other voids (more reserves than originally thought).

That is my thinking. Again we hardly know our own planet.

re: #164 Ward Cleaver

As s form of protest, the citizens there should put all the trash in the recycling barrel, and all the recycled stuff in the trash barrel.

Maybe just kill someone who needs killing and the CSI people will haul everything away for ya!

re: #148 Ford_Prefect

I have to say that what bothers me about these ads is the same thing that bothered me about McCain during the primary debates. Sometimes his attacks come off as personal jibes. Now I am not saying that the ads are inaccurate, and radio or TV personalities pointing these things out is fine with me, I just don't think that a person who trying to be our President should be stooping to this kind of thing. Can you imagine Reagan doing this? Stick to the facts and the issues, that will win enough votes.

I have to disagree. Nothing is manufactured here.
A clear messianic delusion is fair game.

re: #169 Ford_Prefect

PIMF

Ah, okay. I was a bit confused there for a minute. :D

Perhaps they are waiting to run those ads once they get closer to the election, when folks are actually paying attention? Just a guess. Maybe by then Obama will have a position on stuff.

re: #127 debutaunt

I hope he has his tire pressure gage at the ready.

Ha! It would have been great had they photo shopped a tire gauge for Heston in place of his staff.

re: #152 vxbush

I would agree with you, except the number of things that Obama will actually come out and admit are his policies is vanishingly small. What are you left to attack if your opponent has no position?

It's racist to attack Obama. [c'mon: //]

re: #157 Ford_Prefect

For some reason I can't link to the whole story, but this certainly is an interesting theory. The question is, is this the result of new oil being produced, or just deeper reserves then we thought were there?

A different story for your perusal:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

re: #137 Sharmuta

That's just it- oil might be naturally occurring. No need for fossils. Let me see if I can find the article.

However, most geologists do not follow that. There is minimal evidence petroleum is formed without biologic matter. Where we find petroluem in commercial quanities usually is where there was a sea with anoxic conditions. The largest petroleum fields out there are in sedimentary basins.

That said, there may be some aboigenic petroleum out there, but any found is not in any recoveralbe quanity.

Water Ice Confirmed on Mars

In a related story, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid vow that they will not allow drilling on MARS to protect the endangered spotted two toed ragged eared duck billed slug

re: #179 Golem Akbar

It's racist to attack Obama. [c'mon: //]

Alas, I think that refrain is going to get louder and louder as we get closer to the election.

re: #173 lawhawk

'You're not covering this, are you?' complained one senior Democratic aide."

Talk about arrogance. But I bet MSM won't cover it.

re: #86 Peacekeeper

Well this rules out Sandworms. Sigh.

It's not the sandworms I'm worried about. IT'S THE SANDFISH.

Any oil?

Drill Mars, Drill Now!

re: #186 jcm

Any oil?

Drill Mars, Drill Now!

sorry ,, no way ,, see my 182

re: #173 lawhawk

Meanwhile, Obama's fellow Democrats are busy turning out the lights - literally and figuratively.

Pelosi adjourned the House, even as the GOPers were trying to debate the energy issue. Hilarity ensued.

The joke remains on us - as Democrats continue to play politics with US energy policy.

Yeah, the GOP had 100 members signed up to talk for five minutes each about gas prices, when the hag cut them off. I wish that Rush had mentioned that to GWB when he called today. I wanted to hear his take.

re: #182 sattv4u2

Water Ice Confirmed on Mars

In a related story, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid vow that they will not allow drilling on MARS to protect the endangered spotted two toed ragged eared duck billed slug darter

re: #148 Ford_Prefect

Can you imagine Reagan doing this? Stick to the facts and the issues, that will win enough votes.

I just don't think that Reagan had the complete vacuum of coverage that this election does.

The press was tough on Carter. And Carter made the biggest and most obvious issue off limits (Iran) which Reagan did abide by (except for one remark in one speech). But Carter was hammered on the economy and Iran. Nightline was started as a news show to simply sum up the (lack of) progress on the Hostages every day.

McCain has had no coverage to speak of, and even had just one reporter and photographer show up at an event just over a week ago.

McCain has been blacklisted by the media. He had to punch through and get them to do their job, even if they are going to go after him.

In PR, even bad press is good press, because your name is out there.

re: #189 debutaunt

thanks debu

re: #178 Pshawalaw

Ha! It would have been great had they photo shopped a tire gauge for Heston in place of his staff.

Hear hear!

re: #181 Honorary Yooper

However, most geologists do not follow that. There is minimal evidence petroleum is formed without biologic matter. Where we find petroluem in commercial quanities usually is where there was a sea with anoxic conditions. The largest petroleum fields out there are in sedimentary basins.

That said, there may be some aboigenic petroleum out there, but any found is not in any recoveralbe quanity.

You might want to read this:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

re: #187 sattv4u2

sorry ,, no way ,, see my 182

LOL!

re: #176 opnion

I have to disagree. Nothing is manufactured here.
A clear messianic delusion is fair game.

Reread my post. I am not saying that it is manufactured. I am saying that this sort of personal attack should be below a man who wants to be POTUS.

re: #183 vxbush

Alas, I think that refrain is going to get louder and louder as we get closer to the election.

It may be all they've got, and if so, that is not much. Guilt is not a good long-term strategy for winning the hearts and votes of most people.

I just watched the new McCain ad. I'm convinced, I'll have to vote McCain. Personally, I think it is a little weak. Obama has said so many stupid things, and has so many skeletons in the closet. I would like to see McCain's ad's get nasty, real nasty, root hog or die nasty.

re: #188 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, the GOP had 100 members signed up to talk for five minutes each about gas prices, when the hag cut them off. I wish that Rush had mentioned that to GWB when he called today. I wanted to hear his take.

You know, GWB has the constitutional authority to call a special session of congress to address the energy issue during the recess. That would be brilliant.

The truth about Mars they don't want you to know.

They are at the door, gotta go!
/

re: #174 Ford_Prefect

That is my thinking. Again we hardly know our own planet.

I think the whole "mankind is heating up the planet" thing is the height of human pride and hubris.

re: #146 Sharmuta

Here Ford-

Deep Oil Deposits Replenishing Themselves

Petroluem also naturally rises within rock and sediment, above the water. As such, we should expect any petroleum in the rocks and sediments to fill in areas where we have already removed petroleum nearer the surface. And, the Gulf of Mexico, off the coast of Louisiana, as discussed in that article, has layers upon layers of sediments with biologic material deposited by the Mississippi and other rivers, as well as plankton that feeds off nutrients brought into the Gulf from those rivers. Organics and sediments have been deposited in the Gulf for at least 70 million years.

re: #182 sattv4u2

Water Ice Confirmed on Mars

In a related story, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid vow that they will not allow drilling on MARS to protect the endangered spotted two toed ragged eared duck billed slug

Thats understandable. Pelosi has one living in her brain case, controlling her every utterance, her every thought.......

re: #197 maddogg

I just watched the new McCain ad. I'm convinced, I'll have to vote McCain. Personally, I think it is a little weak. Obama has said so many stupid things, and has so many skeletons in the closet. I would like to see McCain's ad's get nasty, real nasty, root hog or die nasty.

It's early. And this ad is the just the second brilliant one out in the last couple of weeks. We can look forward to many more to follow. The Obamessiah is a virtual font of great quotes and skeletons.

re: #180 FurryOldGuyJeans

A different story for your perusal:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

I will keep saying it. We hardly know our own planet.

re: #157 Ford_Prefect

For some reason I can't link to the whole story, but this certainly is an interesting theory. The question is, is this the result of new oil being produced, or just deeper reserves then we thought were there?

Oil is the byproduct of the degradation of organic matter.

My understanding is that, to some extent, its actually a renewable resource. (Which isn't to say that is sustainably renewable).

I wonder WHERE on the planet. Guess I'm going to have to pry myself into going to the NASA website.

re: #157 Ford_Prefect

For some reason I can't link to the whole story, but this certainly is an interesting theory. The question is, is this the result of new oil being produced, or just deeper reserves then we thought were there?

Abiotic Oil Theory (pros and cons) are summed up in this somewhat arcane but otherwise readable collection of arguments on the theory.

I am not convinced of it, and the players he place big bets on wells haven't really embraced it (and they have a financial incentive to embrace the theory were it workable).

re: #182 sattv4u2

Water Ice Confirmed on Mars

In a related story, Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid vow that they will not allow drilling on MARS to protect the endangered spotted two toed ragged eared duck billed slug

Can't she just wait until she saves the earth first?

re: #197 maddogg

I just watched the new McCain ad. I'm convinced, I'll have to vote McCain. Personally, I think it is a little weak. Obama has said so many stupid things, and has so many skeletons in the closet. I would like to see McCain's ad's get nasty, real nasty, root hog or die nasty.

I'd like to see an ad with Resko's Chicago slum buildings, and BHO's getting housing grants to Resko.

re: #198 DeafDog

You know, GWB has the constitutional authority to call a special session of congress to address the energy issue during the recess. That would be brilliant.

A caller mentioned that to Rush today ("Why doesn't he call them back?"), and Rush said that isn't W's style. I agree; it isn't his style. But then, he used to call special sessions of the legislature when he was governor here in Texas. At least one time it was for education reform, IIRC.

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

I think the whole "mankind is heating up the planet" thing is the height of human pride and hubris.

Speak for yourself. I heat up any planet I'm on.

re: #155 Ay, Caramba

How many billions of barrels of oil have we pulled out of the ground? Is it mathematically possible that fossils created all that crude? How much crude does a couple of decomposing trees produce?
There must have been lots and lots of dead things in what is now Saudi land.

There's a lot of organic matter, especially plankton (zooplankton and phytoplankton) in the oceans. Trees and other plant matter tend to form peat and coal deposits.

Hey, on the radio now they're talking about experiments of "exercise in a pill".

re: #188 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, the GOP had 100 members signed up to talk for five minutes each about gas prices, when the hag cut them off. I wish that Rush had mentioned that to GWB when he called today. I wanted to hear his take.

According to this, Pelosi refuses to allow a vote on this because many democrats may vote in favor of drilling.

re: #209 jcm

I'd like to see an ad with Resko's Chicago slum buildings, and BHO's getting housing grants to Resko.

That would make my leg tingle.

Is that Asian reporter Tricia Takanawa presenting this report?

Thanks, Yooper. I figured you or Alberta Oil Peon would be able to shed some light on the subject.

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

I think the whole "mankind is heating up the planet" thing is the height of human pride and hubris.

Dead on the money, I could not agree more. Toss in arrogance.

re: #190 karmic_inquisitor

I see your point, but I still don't like it.

re: #209 jcm

I'd like to see an ad with Resko's Chicago slum buildings, and BHO's getting housing grants to Resko.

Amen, brother. That would really sting him. Who's running McCain's campaign, anyway?

re: #200 Ward Cleaver

I think the whole "mankind is heating up the planet" thing is the height of human pride and hubris.

Agreed.

re: #213 Occasional Reader

Hey, on the radio now they're talking about experiments of "exercise in a pill".

I heard something on the local TV news about that last night. Charles could sell his bike.

re: #2 buzzsawmonkey

Sorry, is anybody seeing the rotating title? Mine says...Little Green Footballs.

re: #195 Ford_Prefect

McCain could take the high road - and lose. Do you think Obama won't cry "racist" if McCain is nice to him? This is going to be a brutal election. The Obamessiah is going to cry "racism" at every step of the way. Obviously you don't resort to real racism, but you do fight.

re: #214 Slumbering Behemoth

According to this, Pelosi refuses to allow a vote on this because many democrats may vote in favor of drilling.

She wants to save the world and screw over Americans. DUH!

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, is anybody seeing the rotating title? Mine says...Little Green Footballs.

It's now printed above the Lizard in the Lizard Lounge icon, upper left.

re: #218 Leonidas Hoplite

Dead on the money, I could not agree more. Toss in arrogance.

Yep, that too. "See how important we are!"

/as a tornado sucks them up. whoops!

re: #226 reine.de.tout

Awwwww. But, thanks!

re: #218 Leonidas Hoplite

Dead on the money, I could not agree more. Toss in arrogance.

The only thing more arrogant is the thought the we can fix it.

re: #226 reine.de.tout

It's now printed above the Lizard in the Lizard Lounge icon, upper left.

Heh...waffle....

re: #209 jcm

I'd like to see an ad with Resko's Chicago slum buildings, and BHO's getting housing grants to Resko.

Eggzackly. And thats just a start. Time for eyeballs and noses to get strewn across the political landscape. Obama is unarmed in a real dogfight, and flowery prose and empty promises will not go far against naked steel.

re: #207 karmic_inquisitor

Abiotic Oil Theory (pros and cons) are summed up in this somewhat arcane but otherwise readable collection of arguments on the theory.

I am not convinced of it, and the players he place big bets on wells haven't really embraced it (and they have a financial incentive to embrace the theory were it workable).

Abiotic is an interesting theory, call me a skeptic. One thing about it the modeling of abiotic works better in explain oil field behaviors than fossil.

If oil does turn out to be abiotic, the geological process is likely slower than our consumption. The bright side, of an abiotic petroleum is the possibility of synthesizing the process.

According to this, they found water back in 2004.

I wonder what took so long to make it to the media?

re: #226 reine.de.tout

It's now printed above the Lizard in the Lizard Lounge icon, upper left.

I saw that this morning. I don't think it has as much impact there, especially for newcomers.

I asked Charles this morning to bring back the three little rotating avatars that used to be at the top of the main page (long-time lizards will remember those).

re: #229 Ford_Prefect

The only thing more arrogant is the thought the we can fix it.

But, we can't fix it, that's why we need the Obamessiah, he can fix anything. Just ask him.///////

re: #231 maddogg

Eggzackly. And thats just a start. Time for eyeballs and noses to get strewn across the political landscape. Obama is unarmed in a real dogfight, and flowery prose and empty promises will not go far against naked steel.

Odds that this issue would be THE story if an (R) was involved?

re: #107 karmic_inquisitor

The new McCain ad has been posted (via drudge).

yes!

re: #197 maddogg

I just watched the new McCain ad. I'm convinced, I'll have to vote McCain. Personally, I think it is a little weak. Obama has said so many stupid things, and has so many skeletons in the closet. I would like to see McCain's ad's get nasty, real nasty, root hog or die nasty.

I have a theory as to why McCain is refusing to get mean or nasty during this campaign--and it might also explain why he's so willing to work with Democrats.

I have often wondered how McCain felt about this country after he returned from his POW days. (I know he's written a book; I need to read it.) The impression I get from watching him is that he is so convinced of the goodness of this country and our political system after living through hell that he has made up his mind that he will not denigrate any American, no matter the issue, and he will not reject any person's position if they are an American. I think he is willing to put up with any sort of name calling from folks on this because he feels so highly about being a part of this country after his past torture.

Comments?

re: #60 FurryOldGuyJeans

I know. :)

Would love to see The Left go through contortions if there was even a hint of a NASA mission being sent for looking into the quantities of hydrocarbons with a view to possible recovery, either on Mars or Titan.

Funny thought, but on first principles, it seems impossible to expend less fuel in bringing back Martian hydrocarbons than the amount of potential fuel you could return with such an endeavor.

Now, Martian *Uranium* on the other hand. . .

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sorry, is anybody seeing the rotating title? Mine says...Little Green Footballs.

Charles indicated a few nights ago that he was going to move the rotating title. Don't know where, though.

This is an amazing discovery and dramatically increases out knowledge of our solar system.

Its going to have one immediate effect: A generation ago Mars' polar caps were covered with what appeared to be ice, and these ice caps began to melt similar to those on planet earth and thus creating a big problem for the global warming crowd. The people who subscribe to the anthropogenic earth-warming theories were quick to point out that there was no evidence that there was water, and thus ice, on Mars and it could be just frozen CO2. Now they will be left explaining an identical ice-melting phenomena on a close planet with no people living on it.

[Link: science.nasa.gov...]

Oh. There! Nice.

re: #219 Ford_Prefect

I see your point, but I still don't like it.

I kinda agree with you, but I guess I lost my respect for politicians a long time ago.

McCain represents the key interest that I am voting on this year (War) and Obama is truly a dangerous guy to get the Job of POTUS in a hot war.

And if McCain has to stick his finger in Obama's eye to get the media to focus on what is at stake, so be it. It only makes him more credible as a wartime president.

After all, I'd have like to have seen Bush go after Reid, Pelosi and Murtha. His being "Presidential" while they attacked with effect only served to get AQ to think that we might just surrender in Iraq.

re: #237 jcm

Odds that this issue would be THE story if an (R) was involved?

Which is why it should be in a McCain ad, to raise awareness.

re: #193 FurryOldGuyJeans

You might want to read this:

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Gold's been argusing this for quite some time now, and it has been tested in Sweden on the Siljan ring, a meteorite impact structure dated at 360 million years ago. The structure occurs in the Precambrian basement rocks. Now, Gold argued that it was perfect to drill for oil there. They had some drilling problems, and lost drilling mud into the formation. They encountered gaseous and liquid hydrocrabons, producing up to 85 barrels of oil. However, as they lost circulation in the well, they added diesel fuel to the drilling mud. Apparently, the diesel mixed with the caustic soda in the drilling mud.
-Elements of Petroleum Geology, Second Edition, Richard C. Shelley, 1998, page 188; from Jeffrey and Kaplan, 1988, 1989.

re: #241 vxbush

Charles indicated a few nights ago that he was going to move the rotating title. Don't know where, though.

ARGH, I miss the rotating title! It was the one constant in my little universe!

re: #239 vxbush

I have a theory as to why McCain is refusing to get mean or nasty during this campaign--and it might also explain why he's so willing to work with Democrats.

I have often wondered how McCain felt about this country after he returned from his POW days. (I know he's written a book; I need to read it.) The impression I get from watching him is that he is so convinced of the goodness of this country and our political system after living through hell that he has made up his mind that he will not denigrate any American, no matter the issue, and he will not reject any person's position if they are an American. I think he is willing to put up with any sort of name calling from folks on this because he feels so highly about being a part of this country after his past torture.

Comments?

You may be right. But this doesn't have to stop the blogosphere from mentioning it, and an honest discussion of the facts will make it to the media. They are watching us, you know.

Campaign ads are the only way McCain has to speak directly to the voters, and bypass the MSM and their filters. Make the most of them!

re: #240 looking closely

Funny thought, but on first principles, it seems impossible to expend less fuel in bringing back Martian hydrocarbons than the amount of potential fuel you could return with such an endeavor.

Now, Martian *Uranium* on the other hand. . .

Recovery for any long term colonization. Any "despoiling of pristine environment" by humanity anywhere would make greens just go into head-exploding mode.

re: #247 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But it's not gone. Look above the Lizard Lounge logo.

re: #247 pre-Boomer Marine brat

ARGH, I miss the rotating title! It was the one constant in my little universe!

Prolly ate up power or sumptin. Whatever he needs to do to keep this little green football spiraling...

re: #242 Right Brain

This is an amazing discovery and dramatically increases out knowledge of our solar system.

Its going to have one immediate effect: A generation ago Mars' polar caps were covered with what appeared to be ice, and these ice caps began to melt similar to those on planet earth and thus creating a big problem for the global warming crowd. The people who subscribe to the anthropogenic earth-warming theories were quick to point out that there was no evidence that there was water, and thus ice, on Mars and it could be just frozen CO2. Now they will be left explaining an identical ice-melting phenomena on a close planet with no people living on it.

[Link: science.nasa.gov...]

Silly, we spew so many pollutant's it's making the temperature on Mars go up to.
/

All the planets are warming. What do they all have in common?

It's big (not Micheal Moore).
It's yellow (not Fwance).
It's round (not Rosie).
It's bright (definitely not Algore).

Now that I've gone there, please allow me to share these other two tidbits about the Mars rovers.

Mars Rover Beginning To Hate Mars

The Mars Rover Infographic

Enjoy, Lizards.

re: #210 Ward Cleaver

A caller mentioned that to Rush today ("Why doesn't he call them back?"), and Rush said that isn't W's style. I agree; it isn't his style. But then, he used to call special sessions of the legislature when he was governor here in Texas. At least one time it was for education reform, IIRC.

I agree that GWB has not been confrontational with Congress. He will be leaving office soon, however, and it matters greatly whether he is followed by BHO or Big Mac. Calling congress back would be hardball politics and his party would benefit so the calculus is doubled: it's right for the country and it's right for his party.

re: #237 jcm

Odds that this issue would be THE story if an (R) was involved?

Just watch, If McCain goes ahead in the polls, all the MSM reporters will become instant Proctologists.

re: #120 buzzsawmonkey

So the citizens of San Francisco not only become unpaid volunteers for the SF Department of Sanitation, scrabbling through their trash to separate it for recycling, but now inspectors are being paid to check up on them and fine them?

Swell triplication of effort and duplication of expense. It's that kind of thinking that made the Soviet Union a financial powerhouse.

If I were a sanitation engineer in San Francisco, I'd be very very careful of any garbage i picked up and I sure as hell would NOT be going through it for compost material vs #2 plastic vs #5 plastic.....

re: #251 vxbush

But it's not gone. Look above the Lizard Lounge logo.

Just found it, too. Thanks.

Should we now go into anguish over the CHANGE?!

re: #239 vxbush

Feasible.

re: #246 Honorary Yooper

I may have asked before, but what do you think of Bakken? Is there much there that is recoverable, or just hype?

re: #232 jcm

Abiotic is an interesting theory, call me a skeptic. One thing about it the modeling of abiotic works better in explain oil field behaviors than fossil.

If oil does turn out to be abiotic, the geological process is likely slower than our consumption. The bright side, of an abiotic petroleum is the possibility of synthesizing the process.

Fortunately, even with boigenic processes, we can work with creating it. There are people working with what is called "green crude". Green due to its origin in algae.

Fuel's Paradise

World-class contrarian Thomas Gold has a theory about life on the planet: It's pumping out of the Earth's crust - and it's swimming in oil.

re: #260 maddogg

Feasible.

If so, then this might explain why he won't go after Obama as forcefully as we might like.

re: #239 vxbush

The impression I get from watching him is that he is so convinced of the goodness of this country and our political system after living through hell that he has made up his mind that he will not denigrate any American, no matter the issue, and he will not reject any person's position if they are an American. I think he is willing to put up with any sort of name calling from folks on this because he feels so highly about being a part of this country after his past torture.

Comments?

Sometimes (often, actually) the best response to name-calling is no response at all.

I think those who are close to McCain personally would probably tell you that he has no problem "denigrating" people, as necessary. He ultimately attacked Romney when he had to, earlier in the campaign.

Don't worry, there is still plenty of time remaining in this campaign for things to get real negative.

This "celebrity" ad was just a little teensy testing jab thrown in the first round of fight to test your opponent. Obama's quick invoking of the race card is a pretty good indicator of how susceptible he's likely to be.

re: #259 pre-Boomer Marine brat

No, not at all. Hope!

OT

DUmmies are dinging McCain add.

re: #251 vxbush

But it's not gone. Look above the Lizard Lounge logo.

Emily Litella moment.