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Sudden Jihadi Syndrome?

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the victim.

Vince Weiguang Li of Edmonton, Alberta, stood silent before a judge Friday in the Provincial Court of Manitoba in Portage la Prairie, the Associated Press reported. A prosecutor sought a psychiatric evaluation of the defendant, but the judge said he’d wait until Li had obtained an attorney, AP reported. Li is due back in court Tuesday.

Have his head examined!

How does Canadian Law deal with the criminally insane.

The US has the "not guilty by reason of insanity."

re: #3 kutabeach

Sudden Jihadi Syndrome?

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family of the victim.

Probably not, given the perp's name.

He sounds insane.

Canada desperately needs to bring back the death penalty -- this guy must not live his life behind bards while a innocent young man has his brutally taken away.

Rotten evil slime -- no remorse for you.

Wow- there are some really sick people in the world.

Pray tell....What the hell constitutes FIRST degree murder up there in Canada?

re: #9 Sharmuta

Wow- there are some really sick people in the world.

Leave the Koslims out of this.
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Bizarre no one tried to intervene.

The Edmonton Sun has a photo of the perp

See the top-right corner of the home page.

re: #12 akak

Bizarre no one tried to intervene.

Not really. They're Canadians. Like New Yorkers they are conditioned not to get involved.

Police Scanner Audio From Greyhound Bus Beheading Scene

He was chopping the guy up with scissors and was eating him when the cops arrived.

re: #10 alwyr

Pray tell....What the hell constitutes FIRST degree murder up there in Canada?

First degree here requires the premeditation component. 2nd degree charges could be holding charges until the investigation and determine if there was a premeditation component.

Well, I was wrong. The name does not sound remotely Muslim.

Thanks for the heads up Charles...

re: #3 kutabeach

Sudden Jihadi Syndrome?

Could just be one seriously deranged loon.

Horrible scene. That animal that did this should be put down.

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

Could just be one seriously deranged loon.

An understatement.

re: #10 alwyr

Pray tell....What the hell constitutes FIRST degree murder up there in Canada?

I was thinking the same thing.

re: #17 opnion

There is a huge muslim insurgency in the Philippines just outside where my mother in law is from. And thailand is having bad problems too. You don't have to be named "Achmed" to be a Muslim extremist.

Fortunately, Canada has gun control laws.

Who needs a gun on a bus? ...or that's what the opposition said when we fought to have our rights returned to us here in Georgia. :)

...that's why.

Animal.

Bipolar, sociopathic, or drug-addled, but probably not Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. This guy should be in an asylum for the rest of his days.

How the hell do people do the excuse me bit and try to squeeze by a dude stabbing 50-100 times? Not even a good ole ice hockey elbow?

re: #5 jcm

How does Canadian Law deal with the criminally insane.

The US has the "not guilty by reason of insanity."

Canada has "not guilty eh by reason of insanity".

re: #23 Limitbreak22

There is a huge muslim insurgency in the Philippines just outside where my mother in law is from. And thailand is having bad problems too. You don't have to be named "Achmed" to be a Muslim extremist.

Thats true,but don't they usually stick a Hussein or Mohammad somewhere in their name?

re: #26 joncelli

This guy should be in an asylum for the rest of his days.

The challenge would be, protecting the staff from him.

re: #5 jcm

How does Canadian Law deal with the criminally insane.

The US has the "not guilty by reason of insanity."

IANAL, but once upon a time I believe we used to call it..

'detained at the Queen's pleasure'...

and it could end up being for quite an indefinite period of time.

A bus full of people and you're getting stabbed and your last thought is, "hey, dude, some assistance here?" as these pacified Canadiens scurry by... Wow.

If we were really as bad as Obama says we (and Bush) are, we would have invaded Canada 8 years ago for its oil. lol.

re: #30 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Strait jacket, big orderlies, massive sedation.

re: #30 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The challenge would be, protecting the staff from him.

I will just bet that Jodi Foster does not want to interview this guy.
"Wll hello Clarise

re: #10 alwyr

Pray tell....What the hell constitutes FIRST degree murder up there in Canada?

Publishing a picture of Muhammed.

probably trying to make up for all those feet they keep finding in british columbia.

re: #23 Limitbreak22

There is a huge muslim insurgency in the Philippines just outside where my mother in law is from. And thailand is having bad problems too. You don't have to be named "Achmed" to be a Muslim extremist.

That's very true, but your unlikely to see any Izzy Schwartz's trying to cut off someone's head.

re: #12 akak

Bizarre no one tried to intervene.

I think it must have been obvious there was not much they could do for the victim. At that point, the best thing to do is get the hell out of there and call the police.

re: #26 joncelli

Bipolar, sociopathic, or drug-addled, but probably not Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. This guy should be in an asylum for the rest of his days.

First pass it sure looks that way.

re: #5 jcm

How does Canadian Law deal with the criminally insane.

They let them chair a Human Rights Tribunal?

In related news, they also think they caught the guy who killed 3 swimmers and wounded another in Niagara, Wisconsin, yesterday evening.

re: #30 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The challenge would be, protecting the staff from him.

Silence of the Lambs Style.

re: #33 joncelli

Strait jacket, big orderlies, massive sedation.

[see my #1 ... serious reprise of same]

re: #41 Honorary Yooper

In related news, they also think they caught the guy who killed 3 swimmers and wounded another in Niagara, Wisconsin, yesterday evening.

Scumbag. They should stick that rifle where the sun doesn't shine and...

re: #10 alwyr

Pray tell....What the hell constitutes FIRST degree murder up there in Canada?

In the USA its usually pre-meditated murder, though in most states the category also includes a murder that occurs during the commission of another felony (eg armed robbery).

Its probably the same in Canada.

If this lunatic got on the bus with the idea of killing a specific person, that would qualify. If he got on the bus with the idea of killing someone in general, second degree murder might be the more appropriate charge.

re: #45 looking closely

In the USA its usually pre-meditated murder, though in most states the category also includes a murder that occurs during the commission of another felony (eg armed robbery).

Its probably the same in Canada.

If this lunatic got on the bus with the idea of killing a specific person, that would qualify. If he got on the bus with the idea of killing someone in general, second degree murder might be the more appropriate charge.

Do they have "Hate" crimes statutes in Canada?

Like I said on Hot Air, I'll bet anything this guy has a serious mental health history, but nobody ever got enough on him to keep him locked up as a danger to himself and others.

re: #19 Slumbering Behemoth

Could just be one seriously deranged loon.

Indeed- not every deranged whacko is a jihadi.

re: #44 Hard Right

and...

... give him time to think about it before ...

I can't think of a better argument for conceal-carry. Somebody should have shot that bastard ASAP.

re: #45 looking closely

In the USA its usually pre-meditated murder, though in most states the category also includes a murder that occurs during the commission of another felony (eg armed robbery).

Its probably the same in Canada.

If this lunatic got on the bus with the idea of killing a specific person, that would qualify. If he got on the bus with the idea of killing someone in general, second degree murder might be the more appropriate charge.

2nd might be holding charges, they've got that for sure. Got him on the bus in the act. Pending the investigation, and they find premeditation up the charges to first. To early to have the evidence for premeditation.

re: #48 Sharmuta

Indeed- not every deranged whacko is a jihadi.

Very true. Just look at the guy who killed 3 in Wisconsin last night (link in #41).

re: #50 maddogg

I can't think of a better argument for conceal-carry. Somebody should have shot that bastard ASAP.

They probably would have in Israel.

re: #48 Sharmuta

Indeed- not every deranged whacko is a jihadi.

No - but he might well have watched jihadi videos on youtube.

re: #49 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... give him time to think about it before ...

Slowly, start low, work up......

re: #49 pre-Boomer Marine brat

... give him time to think about it before ...

Reminds me of that line from Man on Fire

"I wish...you had more time."

re: #45 looking closely

If this lunatic got on the bus with the idea of killing a specific person, that would qualify. If he got on the bus with the idea of killing someone in general, second degree murder might be the more appropriate charge.

I see the legal point, but I think it's only a legal point.

After a smoke break stop, he deliberately moved from near the front of the bus to the back, to sit beside his intended victim.

/IMHO, the gavel comes down

re: #24 Iron Fist

Fortunately, Canada has gun control laws.

Clearly, they need knife-control laws as well....
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Cops have a tough job.

There was a recent case in Canada where a knife wielder got tasered, and later died. The left wingers (just about everyone east of Mississauga) are screaming to ban the Taser.

Lefties, and most people, I suspect haven't a clue what it's like to be on the thin blue. They need effective tools.

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So sick. I keep thinking "what if someone had a gun?", and stopped that nut.

re: #55 jcm

Slowly, start low, work up......

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry slowly....

re: #47 RememberSekhmet?

Like I said on Hot Air, I'll bet anything this guy has a serious mental health history, but nobody ever got enough on him to keep him locked up as a danger to himself and others.

With no more information, that would be my first guess too.. terribly psychotic, but quiet...until he starts responding to command hallucinations.
He'll likely be spending some considerable time on a forensic psych unit.

re: #54 yma o hyd

No - but he might well have watched jihadi videos on youtube.

In the active discussions collected from prominent Jihadi forums during the fourth week of July 2008, Internet Archive AKA archive.org once again far surpassed YouTube in terms of providing file sharing services to al-Qa`ida's operatives and supporters, as illustrated in Figure 1.

[Link: internet-haganah.com...]

re: #48 Sharmuta

Indeed- not every deranged whacko is a jihadi.

Correct.

If you behead someone silently, you are a deranged whaco.

If you behead someone with an "Allah Akbar" you're a militant with grievances that must be addressed.

re: #57 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I see the legal point, but I think it's only a legal point.

After a smoke break stop, he deliberately moved from near the front of the bus to the back, to sit beside his intended victim.

/IMHO, the gavel comes down

I really don't give flying fuck what was in the animal's head.

I civilized society must protect it's self from rabid animals who butcher people.

Period. End of Story. Pull the level, throw the switch, or drop the hammer, don't care which one. If this animal is breathing in 6 months, it is an injustice.

re: #59 Eagle

Cops have a tough job.

There was a recent case in Canada where a knife wielder got tasered, and later died. The left wingers (just about everyone east of Mississauga) are screaming to ban the Taser.

Lefties, and most people, I suspect haven't a clue what it's like to be on the thin blue. They need effective tools.

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So sick. I keep thinking "what if someone had a gun?", and stopped that nut.

I imagine that if you lit one off on a crowded bus, more than just the perp would be hurt.

Maybe once the Canadian legal system gets through with Ezra and Mark they might get around to this worthy gentleman.

re: #48 Sharmuta

Indeed- not every deranged whacko is a jihadi.

But every jihadi...

My wife is bi-polar.... Should I be sleeping with one eye open?!

re: #26 joncelli

Bipolar, sociopathic, or drug-addled, but probably not Sudden Jihadi Syndrome. This guy should be in an asylum for the rest of his days.

re: #65 eschew_obfuscation

I imagine that if you lit one off on a crowded bus, more than just the perp would be hurt.

The ranges on a bus, with the seats, and the ammo I carry?
1 round, to the head end of story.

I was disturbed to read that the male passenger sitting in front of them heard the scream, saw the knife, and yelled run to everyone else, while he himself ran away.

But I guess that is a pacified Canadian for you, but I can tell you that even as a woman, my training is to intervene somehow, someway. Instead this poor guy was abandoned by everyone.

re: #65 eschew_obfuscation

I imagine that if you lit one off on a crowded bus, more than just the perp would be hurt.

...uhm... checking your background is the last step before firing. You may not realize that we don't just fire into groups, but it should be said. :)

re: #70 DistantThunder

I was disturbed to read that the male passenger sitting in front of them heard the scream, saw the knife, and yelled run to everyone else, while he himself ran away.

But I guess that is a pacified Canadian for you, but I can tell you that even as a woman, my training is to intervene somehow, someway. Instead this poor guy was abandoned by everyone.

Our culture is wussified also, VT. Class room full of people, at least 10 guys.

Both cases rush the fuck throwing things, jump his ass and don't leave enough for them to charge.

This is horrible.

Just horrible.

re: #68 Pyrocles

My wife is bi-polar.... Should I be sleeping with one eye open?!

Naah, I know bipolars who wouldn't harm a fly---and keep up with their treatment. Then again, I've known bipolars who were harmful.

If you see the picture of the other passengers, they had plenty of fit enough people to trample him. Physically fit, I mean not other disgraceful adjectives that are applicable here.

re: #59 Eagle

Cops have a tough job.

There was a recent case in Canada where a knife wielder got tasered, and later died. The left wingers (just about everyone east of Mississauga) are screaming to ban the Taser.

Lefties, and most people, I suspect haven't a clue what it's like to be on the thin blue. They need effective tools.

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So sick. I keep thinking "what if someone had a gun?", and stopped that nut.

Lefties don't care. It just makes them feel good about themselves and morally superior for banning "those evil tazers"

re: #13 pre-Boomer Marine brat

The Edmonton Sun has a photo of the perp

See the top-right corner of the home page.

Freakin' nutjob, that guy is.

re: #4 Peacekeeper

Vince Weiguang Li of Edmonton, Alberta, stood silent before a judge Friday in the Provincial Court of Manitoba in Portage la Prairie, the Associated Press reported. A prosecutor sought a psychiatric evaluation of the defendant, but the judge said he’d wait until Li had obtained an attorney, AP reported. Li is due back in court Tuesday.

Have his head examined!

Don't go asking me to check out his closet at home.

It does remind me however, reading sometime back, (years ago) about that massacre at the Luby's in Texas.

A woman (who was a legal gun owner, and had a carrying permit) was dining with her parents the day it happened.

I don't think she was allowed to bring the gun into the cafeteria by law, left it outside in the car, but claimed she would have had at least a couple of shots on the perp while he was in the restaurant.

Although I am not a gun owner, I am very staunch on the publics right to bear arms.

This just might have changed things. I don't know, but what I do know, is that there is no change when you are unable to defend yourself at all.

re: #79 formercorpsman

I would like to as well, Parkinson's would make it dangerous for everyone at the range! lol maybe a one hander

re: #22 Nevergiveup

From CBC article: "Second-degree murder, under the Criminal Code, is generally unpremeditated murder. First-degree murder refers to a killing that is planned and deliberate, but also when death is caused by sexual assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement or hijacking an airplane." here. (Also, Canada does have hate crime legislation -- but this case doesn't really fit, since there has to be some evidence that the perp was acting from racist motives, etc. On the face of it, doesn't appear to be the case...more probable that it was a psychotic act...)

Too bad it wasn't Bush or Cheney! (Oops, sorry, thought I was at Huffington Post)

re: #79 formercorpsman

I don't think she was allowed to bring the gun into the cafeteria by law, left it outside in the car, but claimed she would have had at least a couple of shots on the perp while he was in the restaurant.
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Yeah! I remember seeing an interview with her... Wasn't it something like, she had left the gun in her car because someone (a family member?) had convinced her not to carry anymore.

In the interview (which was heartbreaking), she recalls how easy it would have been for her to take the guy out, had she carried her gun- she had a perfect shot. I think her parents died there too. Man, that's gotta suck. I bet it will haunt her for the rest of her life.

re: #79 formercorpsman

Susanna Gratia-Hupp. She went on later along with Jerry Patterson (Marine, 20 years), to author the Texas Concealed Handgun Law. She could have stopped her parents from being murdered, but left her revolver in the car and obeyed the law.

Thanks to her, 20 million of us now have the chance she didn't.

re: #81 J.S.

From CBC article: "Second-degree murder, under the Criminal Code, is generally unpremeditated murder. First-degree murder refers to a killing that is planned and deliberate, but also when death is caused by sexual assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement or hijacking an airplane." here. (Also, Canada does have hate crime legislation -- but this case doesn't really fit, since there has to be some evidence that the perp was acting from racist motives, etc. On the face of it, doesn't appear to be the case...more probable that it was a psychotic act...)

I would argue that it was premeditated. I would try to show to the court that this man had stepped on the bus with a very specifc and well planned out goal: to kill someone. It didn't matter who, but he was prepared to kill someone.

re: #23 Limitbreak22

In fact, aren't most Muslims Asian?

From Wikipedia:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Islam began in Asia in the 7th century during the life of Muhammad. The greatest number of adherents of Islam has lived in Asia since the beginning of Islamic history.

See Susanna Hupp testify in front of Congress about it. Look at that piece of ratshit, Chuck Schumer just sit there and hate freedom.

There's been many reports of cannibalism, one guy even said the accused cut off his "unit", ate his organs, and disemboweled him.

Pretty sick.

re: #10 alwyr

Pray tell....What the hell constitutes FIRST degree murder up there in Canada?

I was just wondering the same myself.

re: #85 so.cal.swede

Frankly (being from the United States) I tend to agree with you. but, up here, the law is different. (I've found this oftentimes very confusing). Here (I guess) the police/Crown prosecutor have got to have concrete evidence of "planning" beforehand (that is, a note that's been written along the lines of "I'm gonna get so-and-so"), and if the "planning" of the murder is "all in the head" -- the prosecution has got to be able to show (concretely) the premeditated nature of the crime (eg, the perp calmly collected/purchased the murder weapon, watched the victim's movements/whereabouts, followed the victim, then committed the crime, etc.) In this particular case, I don't see the evidence (which would hold up in a Canadian court) for it's being "premeditated" -- the perp didn't know the victim, there was no argument beforehand, etc....it just seemed to "come out of the blue" -- unprovoked and unpremeditated by Canadian standards...

re: #16 jcm

First degree here requires the premeditation component. 2nd degree charges could be holding charges until the investigation and determine if there was a premeditation component.

People in a 737,flying at 35,000 for example, have no choice but to confront anybody suspected of pulling some sh!t.

A bus , on the other hand, people have the choice of 'flight' over fight......

re: #15 Killgore Trout

Police Scanner Audio From Greyhound Bus Beheading Scene

He was chopping the guy up with scissors and was eating him when the cops arrived.

Interesting link, but wtf? /the severed head?

Assuming the guy is found to be psychotic (i.e., divorced from reality at the time of the crime), he'll probably be confined indefinitely.

I honestly can't see how the authorities can make out a case of premeditation here.

This is creepy, but has anyone but me watched "Fear Itself" on NBC? Eating people has been a big feature on that show the last few weeks.
I understand the crazy on the bus stabbed, gutted and ate the flesh of the poor guy who was 5'4" and 130 pounds.
You never know what will set a nut off.

re: #92 Airedale

People in a 737,flying at 35,000 for example, have no choice but to confront anybody suspected of pulling some sh!t.

A bus , on the other hand, people have the choice of 'flight' over fight......

The urge to flee when confronted with a dangerous situation (either real or imagined) is extremely powerful, and quite normal. Even more so when someone is screaming "run!" It's like yelling "fire!" in a crowded theatre.

Also, this was a traumatizing thing to witness and they had no mental preparation. You can be plunged into shock in an instant, and people do very unpredicatable things when they're in shock.

We should probably be very careful in judging the passengers for their inaction. A lot of those passengers are probably going to longterm require treatment for PTSD.

re: #14 Hard Right

Not really. They're Canadians. Like New Yorkers they are conditioned not to get involved.

That is an undeserved insult to New Yorkers. 9/11 proved otherwise and so have other instances.

re: #97 ciaospirit

Lumping individuals like New Yorkers and Canadians is a mistake at best. One never knows how one will react given certain circumstances. Fight or flight a microsecond decision made in the heat of the moment.

Sorry, that should be lumping individuals like New Yorkers and Canadians together is a mistake at best.

re: #94 Amy

I beleive there are some states in the United States in which an attacker could be charged with first degree murder (that's premeditated murder) based on "intent." In other words, if you could demonstrate that the perp formed the intent (when he came back onto the bus and moved to the back seat and sat down next to his victim -- he formed the intention to murder his victim at that moment...it's premeditated...it can be called "premeditated" even if the thought occurs seconds before the actual murder.) But, in Canada, the Criminal Code clearly states that for a first degree murder charge, the murder must have been both "planned and deliberate." And, according to the Criminal Code, "planned and deliberate" has nothing to do with intent...(both terms -- "planned" and "deliberate" are further defined..) and if the murder is not planned and deliberate, but a spontaneous act, then, it's second degree murder....anyway, as you're probably aware, in this case, the perp has been charged with second degree murder...

Another reason for me not to ride on a bus, what a sick bastard.

Poor man who got killed. They said he was screaming bloody murder for awhile while being stabbed. They said he was a little guy, around 5'4 130 lbs. Makes me sad and mad that someone, out of 30 something people, didnt help him. I understand when someone has a 'rambo' knife how hard it would be to do something, but its just upsetting to think this could happen to one of us with almost 40 people around and they wouldnt help.

Also, the poor guy sounds like someone a Muslim would attack, easy target and he was asleep. Whether the guy is a Muslim or insane and inspired by all the beheading talk because of Muslims or what, I dont know.

Well let's see here. The victim was in the last row of seats by the window. The murderer sat beside him.

Now, how much room is there on a greyhound bus? the aisle? From the sounds of it, the first indication anyone had was the victim screaming. They then saw "flailing" which seems to be the murderer hacking at the guy. How in the world, without a gun, can anyone intervene in that? I think they did the right thing, evacuate and lock the guy in.

And NY'ers were VERY quick to jump in and help on 9/11, above and beyond the call.

Until you walk in their shoes, don't judge.

Regardless of anything, I don't think you could say the other passengers "did the right thing".

re: #17 opnion

Well, I was wrong. The name does not sound remotely Muslim.

I'm actually glad because I don't want to have to add hours and layers of security to everything we do. If it's a mental problem, then it's horrible but a nearly one-off happening. If it is religious, it could become more common as it is incited and we'd have to keep doing more.

Yah, always easy to Monday morning QB isn't it?

IIRC, the Chapman guy who kill John Lennon was also charged with 2nd-degree murder. No doubt about the premeditation there. I think 1st-degree murder in NY is reserved for the killing of law-enforcement.

My heart is just sick for the family of Mr. McLean. What a horrible, horrible way to lose a loved one.

Well, it looks like Canada is importing the decapitation work that Canadians won't do.

Too many people here are trying to link this guy with Islam. I'm no fan of the faith but this square peg doesn't fit in the circle hole people. The name appears to Chinese. It doesn't appear to be Indonesian or any of the other commonly Asian Muslim areas. Not to say that he couldn't be, I mean Islam has adherents in all countries, but I think it is reaching. I think that we have a certain percentage of just really sick people in the world and this guy is one of them. The eating of the corpse kind of rules out Jihadism for me and points to "uber nuts" and I'm sure they will find he has been on meds for years and stopped taking them or something like that. As far as complaining that no one helped him, well ,we weren't there and we can't say how we would react. Things change when you see someone getting their head hacked off. At that point, self-preservation, I imagine, is high on the list. Remember, our instincts kick in first before the human "hero" part can react.

re: #109 Melissa in NorCal

I know from experience that I tend to rush toward trouble - used to drive my ex nuts.

However, I'm thinking maybe most of the people were asleep when this started. Could be the attack was well underway, with no one picking up on clues prior to it - no one was aware prior to the attack, apparently.

The guy appears to have just suddenly started stabbing a sleeping guy, at any rate. Other riders might have felt they were in a waking nightmare, which would complicate your response.

Pure speculation, of course.

re: #110 Catttt

Exactly. and it was at night -- dark -- can't see clearly what's going on...(according to some eye witness reports, it was also difficult to wake up some of the passengers and get them off the bus...their first priority was to get the people off the bus). And, after everyone was off the bus and safe, 3 men did go back inside the bus (to see if they could do anything to help the victim) -- but at that point it was pretty clear that it was too late -- and that's when the deranged fellow came after them...

I am reminded of the incident that took place over California where a woman opened the door to a commuter aircraft, jumped out....any NO ONE noticed!

... everybody's talking to me...I can't hear a word they're sayin'.... only the echoes of my mind...

For the record, police here (I live near where this happened) are praising passengers for quickly evacuating the bus, and *also* praising the driver, one passenger and a trucker who stopped when he somehow spotted the trouble, for keeping the killer inside the bus. They forced the door shut on the goon, who came to the front and was slashing at them out the door, then at one point trying to drive the bus away. The driver was able to disable the bus and lock the door from the outside (secret key-switch or something?) As far as cops see it, what passengers and others did, 'saved lives.' The insane butcher's knife has been described as a 'Rambo'-type survival knife, one of those big bastard-Bowies with a saw edge and all. I doubt I would be keen to take one one with my bare hands, and of course, concealed carry is unthinkable in the peaceable land of Trudeaupia.

For the record:

RCMP announced Friday morning that they have charged Vince Weiguang Li, 40, of Edmonton with second-degree murder. He is scheduled to appear at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie. A Chinese Muslim, Li expressed to investigators that his actions were motivated by the Koran.

This was posted on our liberal leaning cbc site.

Not a chance for the victim even if you had a gun and you were in the next seat over. They, three courages men, contained that animal. Now the system will coddle him.
If he brought a knife, he planned it to me.
Thought islam was about peace? Why the rambo knife on a bus ride in Canada?

Hey here people, who are we to judge this guys lifestyle choices?

re: #114 leap_frog

Hey can you put up a link for that cbc story? I looked and can't find anything ;o(

TIA!

Sorry gymgal, they yanked it already, typical of them here.
Most canadian blogs have copied it of course.

This is the 'sanitized' version.

[Link: www.cbc.ca...]

www.cbc.ca

some people at other blogs have indicated that he is muslim, and had found his motivation for this act, in their so called holy book, the koran.

if it was at the CBC site, that would be amazing chutzpah on their behalf.
I'm not saying they wouldn't say it, only that it would be amazing, due to their left-ness.
which they cannot help.

and their isn't any mention of religion there now.
really the only details yet of his personal life, are that he was married, delivered the 2 local and 1 national newspaper for an independent company, and had worked at McDonalds.

more details tuesday, after his court appearance.

note, the police need to charge him with something, in order to hold him until his court appearance, so 2nd degree murder will do. after a few more question periods, maybe consultation with a lawyer, and reading through the man's personal papers at his home, the police will consider an upgrade to 1st degree murder.
in Canada, being guilty of murder is an automatic life sentence, however, he will be eligible to be paroled after 10-25 years (for 2nd) or 25 years (for 1st) degree, (judge's discretion) either way, he reports to a parole officer until he dies.

from my understanding here, he hasn't said much, so how do you prove it was planned? the knife may have been on him, for protection...
I feel shitty defending him, well I'm not really defending him, I'm only stating what it's like here in Canada.

I've no problem with a death penalty in cases like this.

Thanks you guys ;o) figured they had yanked it. I did copy it from you though and have forwarded it out. We were suspect from the beginning as I'm sure most were.

OT Just switched to FireFox, wow!

Marc in Cal

Here's the RCMP's final word: [Link: www.mts.net...]
Very controlled as you can see.

What I posted earlier, was put on cbc, then quickly gone, I didn't get a chance to mirror or screen shot it myself unfortunately and same for my tech skills at finding it on the net now. They didn't release his name for over 24 hours, then that blurb, then it was gone.

On your last statement I agree, that subhuman is a waste of air.

oh I'm not denying that the CBC said it... only that they are hiding their tracks now...
it'll come out. other's have reported that the CBC has retracted this.
I had emailed the CBC earlier, I expect no response.

audio transcript of the police en route to the bus...

witness describes what is happening on the bus without the normal msm filter... only 1 minute and 23 long.

we (in Canada) wouldn't want this posted to a Canadian website as it may hinder the rights of the accused to a fair trial.
(no, I'm not making this up.)

uff, search in youtube for rcmp, you'll know it when you see it.

heh, so the CBC is now making things up? well, that wouldn't surprise me either ;o)

re: #123 marc in calgary

Saw that earlier on Nat'l Terror site, too much information for me! Ugh.

re: #50 maddogg

My thought exactly.

re: #104 TS

Regardless of anything, I don't think you could say the other passengers "did the right thing".

You don't think so? Only one person died. From the sound of it, that's the best outcome that could have been achieved. There was no indication that anything was happening until the victim was already being stabbed. Unless someone else on the bus was armed, the best they could do would be to protect themselves and the other passengers.

Thanks Marc, had heard these tapes on live leak as well.

Should have shot the animal when they knew he was defiling the body and possible eating it, IMHO. Right then and there.
To watch that and not stop it is allowing this shit to now rule.

Read many boards discussions and many military guys up here stated: Look unless you had a cocked and loaded weapon on it's head immediately the kid was dead, no matter what. To take a madman on in that situation would have resulted in further murdered passengers. Unless you could match or over power immediately, getting all the others off a bus safely while seconds earlier most were sleeping in the dark, traveling down a highway, was a remarkable feat if you ask me.

One male passenger (ex-military) alerted all and esp the bus driver who stopped, then the guy, bus driver, and a passing truck driver did the absolute best they could. THEY armed up with what they could, grouped together and planned to confront the subhuman, while trying to get back into the bus. They are heroes to me.

Just caught this: Just heard in FRENCH, carried on the RDI station in Quebec, And they are part of CBC - but they run their own programs, they are showing 'Muslim' and his picture...on their news broadcast and the news feed on the bottom of the screen.

Hug your kids. ( and buy them their own cars ) We are now.

Have a good day all, got to go.

re: #12 akak

Bizarre no one tried to intervene.

I know where you're coming from but still, it's hard to say "I would've pulled a Charles Bronson and saved the day!" I mean...can you imagine the sheer shock and horror of being witness to such an attack? Besides, poor Tim Maclean never had a chance. The initial stabbing was probably enough to be fatal. I doubt that anyone could've saved him.

FYI, I've posted updates about the perp on the overnight thread -- my numbers 599 and 635

'The body of the 22-year-old male victim is to be autopsied Friday, police said.'

It's not like the guy's death was a mystery. He was alive in his seat when this ghoul next to him stabbed him repeatedly then beheadded him. Seems to me that it doesn't matter which action killed the guy. The entire thing was witnessed by passengers and this Li did it. Are they trying to find excuses for the murderer now?

This is one case where I see no reason for an autopsy, other then trying to save a killer's ass.

they may want to find the killer's teeth marks that would be left on the deceased body, independent of the witness' account of him being cannibalized.
it's clear as to how he died, but "if" further violation occurred, it could add years to Vince's sentence, if not by the judge that hears the case, but by the parole board that hears his plea for freedom in 25 years or so...

the Dr. that conducts the autopsy doesn't work for the defendant,
in Canada, they are seen as independent... although paid by gov't.

there is a lot of goofy crap going on up there. Maybe we should break diplomatic relations for a while 'til it settles down.
/s
I don't feel a ken to ride a bus overnight much anymore.

re: #132 samhein

'The body of the 22-year-old male victim is to be autopsied Friday, police said.'

It's not like the guy's death was a mystery. He was alive in his seat when this ghoul next to him stabbed him repeatedly then beheadded him. Seems to me that it doesn't matter which action killed the guy. The entire thing was witnessed by passengers and this Li did it. Are they trying to find excuses for the murderer now?

This is one case where I see no reason for an autopsy, other then trying to save a killer's ass.

From years of watching Law & Order, there are 4 ways to die - disease, accident, suicide and homicide. If Li is to stand trial for murder, then the Crown has to show that a homicide did take place and that's why there's an autopsy.

Common sense says that Tim McLean, apparently the picture of health, didn't up and die of a heart attack moments before Li stabbed him, but nobody ever accused the law of working on common sense. Proof beyond a reasonable doubt is the standard and that proof must include a medical finding of homicide to even get to trial.

re: #8 Richard Romano

Canada desperately needs to bring back the death penalty -- this guy must not live his life behind bards while a innocent young man has his brutally taken away.

Rotten evil slime -- no remorse for you.

Is he evil or severely mentally ill?

He should be locked away for the rest of his life, not murdered. The death penalty will not deter people who are truly mentally ill.

re: #53 Nevergiveup

They probably would have in Israel.

Yep. Thank God. We always have a soldier or a police officer or a security guard or a gun-toting settler walking around.

One moonbat travel book I read warned tourists to Israel that "there are lots of soldiers with rifles walking around, and that can be disconcerting so just be aware." Phhhtt! Disconcerting my foot -- it makes me feel safe.

re: #32 Noam Chumpski

A bus full of people and you're getting stabbed and your last thought is, "hey, dude, some assistance here?" as these pacified Canadiens scurry by... Wow.

I've spent a lot of time on Greyhound buses. The aisles are narrow. The attack took place at the back of the bus. The killer was a large man armed with a large knife and (large?) scissors.

This took place at night. The bus would have been dimly lit. Some people would have been sleeping, others would have had earplugs in. The scream and announcement by another passenger of the attack would have been a shock. They didn't have time to process any information.

If an unarmed passenger wanted to confront the killer, he would have had to do it alone in the narrow aisle and he most certainly would have been killed. In that case, it is not cowardly to save one's own life.

From what I've read, I think the victim was likely killed quickly. In other words, I think the poor, unfortunate man didn't have a hope in hell.

The driver did his job: he disabled the bus, got the passengers off safely and prevented the killer from leaving the bus. The driver was assisted by some other people.

I've read that the driver, a passenger and a truck driver did re-enter the bus in an attempt to help the victim and were forced back by the killer.

re: #70 DistantThunder

I was disturbed to read that the male passenger sitting in front of them heard the scream, saw the knife, and yelled run to everyone else, while he himself ran away.

But I guess that is a pacified Canadian for you, but I can tell you that even as a woman, my training is to intervene somehow, someway. Instead this poor guy was abandoned by everyone.

Then you would have been killed, too.

(God forbid.)

Some have said he was a Chinese Muslim and claimed the Koran was his motivation. I think his "completely nuts" brain was the motivation and Islam his chosen excuse. In this special case, I think Islam is merely coincidental. It is true, that watching animals being ritually slaughtered for Eid, and perhaps watching beheading videos may give you some ideas as to how to carry this horrific act, but it simply doesn't answer why he wanted to butcher a human being and then eat him. I have never heard of Jihadis eating their victims. I still think this guy is just super, super ill in the head. He needs to be put to sleep like a rabid dog. Too bad Canada doesn't do that. He'll most likely have an "accident" in prison. That seems to be how really, really bad guys end up in "capital punishment free zones". Even the monsters can't condone behavior like this. It isn't just criminal, it is deranged.

This animal deserves the death penalty, but his penalty should be to be eaten alive by lions or sharks.

Yet another example of Canada's lax immigration laws. If this guy has a history of mental illness, why was this not investigated by Immigration upon his application for citizenship? Why are we letting in these crazies? The Canadian, and U.S., governments have a duty to protect their citizens first and foremost, before allowing more immigrants into our already over-crowded system.

re: #140 Melissa in NorCal

Some have said he was a Chinese Muslim and claimed the Koran was his motivation. I think his "completely nuts" brain was the motivation and Islam his chosen excuse. In this special case, I think Islam is merely coincidental. It is true, that watching animals being ritually slaughtered for Eid, and perhaps watching beheading videos may give you some ideas as to how to carry this horrific act, but it simply doesn't answer why he wanted to butcher a human being and then eat him. I have never heard of Jihadis eating their victims. I still think this guy is just super, super ill in the head. He needs to be put to sleep like a rabid dog. Too bad Canada doesn't do that. He'll most likely have an "accident" in prison. That seems to be how really, really bad guys end up in "capital punishment free zones". Even the monsters can't condone behavior like this. It isn't just criminal, it is deranged.

I'm guessing the NorCal in your nic refers to Northern California so I have a question for you. In NorCal, SoCal or any other part of the USA, are people who are mentally defective or deficient held criminally responsible for crimes they have committed or are they committed to psychiatric facilities until deemed, if not cured, at least safe enough to be allowed back into society?

I won't pretend to know the standards we use to determine the mental state of an accused person at the time of the crime or if he is fit to stand trial, but even if we had a death penalty, we wouldn't use it on the mentally incompetent. It's called mercy and compassion.

As for Li getting killed in prison, I hope you're not seriously condoning anyone taking the law into their own hands.

Emotionally, I would like to see Li dead. Sane or insane, he has forfeited any right to life. However, the very best that can be hoped for is that after we're done with him, either prison or psychiatric hospital, any legal standing he has to be in Canada is revoked and he's put on the first plane back to China. And if we can skip those steps and just deport him, I'm fine with that, too.