Would reparations help Michelle's children?

Hell no! I don't owe!

“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” the Illinois Democrat said recently.

So what would be the second best reparations? I'm sure he would be willing to settle.

I was for reparations before I opposed them, but just wait, because tomorrow's another day

“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Too bad democrat policies have done nothing to solve this issue and usually make them worse.

He wants reparations, but knows it's political suicide.

He'll go for it once the idiots elect him.

Smoke, meet mirror.

These "I've said it before and I'll say it again" statements are becoming very tiresome. He's also well on his way to being crowned the 'King of Redundancy'.

Who needs consistency when you have an in-the-tank media who will go to any length to cover for Obama. He's the new nuancyboy.

hell no f''' that b.s. what is wellfare but reperations and liberal guilt.

my folks came here just before ww1 nothing that happened before that is our fault one way or the other.

He seems a little sensitive about the “consistency” issue.

Where's there's smoke, there's fire.

the WORST part is how the spokeperson from the NAACP, long on the reparations train, covers for Obama
"Let's not be naive. Sen. Obama is running for president of the United States, and so he is in a constant battle to save his political life," said Kibibi Tyehimba, co-chair of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America. "In light of the demographics of this country, I don't think it's realistic to expect him to do anything other than what he's done."

So according to Kibibibibibibi, it's okay for Obama to lie to white people (saying he's against this when he's really wink wink, for it)

Obama makes Kerry seem rigid and unbending in terms of flip-flopping.

I have a forefather (as I am sure millions more do) that was killed serving in the union army. I declare myself exempt from paying. My family has payed in blood.

re: #12 irongrampa

Obama makes Kerry seem rigid and unbending in terms of flip-flopping.

did you know that Kerry served in Vietnam?

re: #5 Sharmuta

Too bad democrat policies have done nothing to solve this issue and usually make them worse.

Indeed. Democrats are opposed to vouchers because vouchers would give children and parents who live in failing school districts a way out. To Democrats, real problem solving only occurs when the democrats can maintain and create more government bureaucracy (thus giving said dems more power)

When are people going to have the blinders taken off their eyes? I have never seen a pseudo-candidate have a cult following in a Presidential election.

He scares the sh*t out of me. At first I thought he was a joke.

Now? A menace to our country.

Got to close down...severe thunder storms coming in...it looks like nightime here now.

Later...

I wish that the guy would make up his mind, so that I can budget.

well, in this article [Link: starbulletin.com...]

he makes it pretty clear he wants reparations

for those of you too lazy to read the whole article
here is a nice little snippet
"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

also of note, this was give to a group of black journalists
I still am looking for a gathering of white journalists to compare this to but can't find any

re: #13 redshirt

I have a forefather (as I am sure millions more do) that was killed serving in the union army. I declare myself exempt from paying. My family has payed in blood.

I too declare myself exempt, seeing that two grandparents were in Italy, one in Ireland and one in Sicily at the time of slavery, and when they came over here they worked for LESS than "slave wages" to start

re: #2 The Other Les

Hell no! I don't owe!

excellent quote, I am shocked that no one else has dinged you up, as I just did

I'm still waiting on my reparations check from the English for how badly they treated the Irish.

re: #14 sattv4u2

did you know that Kerry served in Vietnam?

Really? If he would have mentioned that during the campaign, he might have got some votes out of it.

re: #16 NY Nana

When are people going to have the blinders taken off their eyes? I have never seen a pseudo-candidate have a cult following in a Presidential election.

He scares the sh*t out of me. At first I thought he was a joke.

Now? A menace to our country.

Got to close down...severe thunder storms coming in...it looks like nightime here now.

Later...

It's a doozy. Just clearing out over here in NJ.

re: #17 opnion

I wish that the guy would make up his mind, so that I can budget.

Don't bother. You can't afford what the Obamanation is selling.

There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told hundreds of attendees of UNITY '08, a convention of four minority journalism associations . Obama

re: #14 sattv4u2

Gosh no, I hadn't heard. Did he suffer any injury, like rice in the butt? I'm told that was a common problem.

re: #18 Adrenalyn
dang i was a few minutes to late but tyhat article is in link now

I am checking my lineage. As it happens I am a direct descendant of Kunta Kente! Now where is my money?

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

I'm still waiting on my reparations check from the English for how badly they treated the Irish.

I want reparations too, for all the women who couldn't vote before 1920.

Has anyone put a trace on his earlier statements on reparations?

While I doubt there is a definitive for or against statement in particular, I am interested to know exactly what he has "said in the past" and will "repeat again"? Is it "that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” or is it something entirely different?

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

all the f'''' euro owe me given what was done to jews for 2,000 years

re: #22 opnion

Really? If he would have mentioned that during the campaign, he might have got some votes out of it.

he served there for 4 months ,,,,, as he's been telling us for the past 35 years.
Lets see ,,,, 4 months ='s 35 years ,,,, I guess my 2 days working for the NHL makes me eligible for a 10 year pension !

As a 4th generation Scandinavian married to a Native American, this stuff really gets my rage going. Neither of us have ancestors that owned African slaves. WHY should I be forced on penalty of death to hand over money to people who did not earn it and have not lacked for opportunity?

i think the problem is in this particular setting of Journalists , it was an open implication (as most of Obamas comments are to "groups), but loose enough he may change his mind, or say uh hmm i didn't mean that.

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

I'm still waiting on my reparations check from the English for how badly they treated the Irish.

Right on! I am in for some of that too. A nice Estate in Kent & a monthly reparartion check would be a good start.

You know, reparations would almost be worth it if it guaranteed the end of the blacks blaming all their woes on whitey.
But how can anybody in favor of reparations argue that it will change anything? In fact it will make race relations worse as a huge segment of whites will hate the blacks for the forced cash grab out of their pockets.

Islam permits lying! It is called “Al-taqiyya.” One Muslim said that Al-taqiyya means dissimulation then he expanded it to diplomacy but he should have gone further to deception.

Muslims lie when it is in their interest to do so and “Allah” will not hold them accountable for lying when it is beneficial to the cause of Islam. They can lie without any guilt or fear of accountability or retribution. A lie in the defense of Islam is approved even applauded in their “holy” books.

Muslims are permitted to lie: (1) to save their lives, (2) to reconcile a husband and wife, (3) to persuade a woman into a bedroom and (4) to facilitate one on his journey. Muslims are even permitted to disavow Islam and Mohammed if it is not a genuine heart-felt rejection. Muslims will tell you that concealment of a truth is not an abandonment of that truth if it benefits Islam.

/wink wink on reparations

getting the obamamasseh to stick to one position is like nailing a piece of shit to the wall can't be done.

re: #33 esch

I have a co-worker thats a big reparations proponent. I told him if he could prove to me that any of my relatives enslaved any of HIS relatives I would gladly write him a check

my money is safe

re: #27 willowone

dang i was a few minutes to late but tyhat article is in link now

that's ok, I linked to it a few days ago but might have botched the link then but it shows pretty clearly that he wants reparations

hell, I should ask for reparations for affirmative action
once, I went looking for another job and was told over and over and over....

"I am sorry, but you're white" and that they could not hire me.

it was best thing that ever happened in the long run

I started my own business and make several times more than I would have anywhere else, given my unique skillset

so affirmative action just taught me to suck it up and make it happen in spite of the obstacles thrown in front of my bus

Why stop with African Americans?

Reparations for Neanderthals!

If I can show I have both slave and slave owners in my genealogy can I pay myself and call it good?

Not a penny from for reparations. I categorically refuse to feel guilt for ANYTHING except that I am personally responsible for.

re: #14 sattv4u2

did you know that Kerry served in Vietnam?

Which mess hall?

re: #36 redshirt

You know, reparations would almost be worth it if it guaranteed the end of the blacks blaming all their woes on whitey.
But how can anybody in favor of reparations argue that it will change anything? In fact it will make race relations worse as a huge segment of whites will hate the blacks for the forced cash grab out of their pockets.

We are paying it now. Fourty years of billions of dollars thrown at the problem. Affirmative Action, minority set asides.

re: #40 Adrenalyn
excellant!

welfare is just another name for reperations

re: #30 uncleFuzzy

Has anyone put a trace on his earlier statements on reparations?

While I doubt there is a definitive for or against statement in particular, I am interested to know exactly what he has "said in the past" and will "repeat again"? Is it "that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” or is it something entirely different?

Here's a statement from his Senate campaign in 2004.

Obama's responded, "The legacy of slavery is immeasurable, but the best strategies for moving forward would be vigorously enforcing our anti-discrimination laws in education and job training."

Interestingly, his opponent, Alan Keyes, was in favor of reparations in the form of tax exemptions, something I wouldn't have expected.

re: #44 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Which mess hall?

with his lineage, i'm sure it had white tableclothes and gold silverware, right next to the golf course

When you can vote yourself a 'free lunch'...the end is near. God help us!

gettysberg, and imagine the gvt, trying to get all of our dna to find out whom is who , and what if we are mixed

It’s telling that Barack Obama has to start off every policy statement with, “I’ve said before ... I’ve been consistent ... I’ve consistently said ... I’ll repeat again ...”

Didn't John, I voted for it before I voted against it, Kerry say that a lot in 04?

re: #44 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Which mess hall?

I don't know, but it served rice.

re: #17 opnion

I wish that the guy would make up his mind, so that I can budget.

Not going to happen. Now if we can just get all our lazy - it is not worth voting - neighbors out in November.

Would it not be cool if McCain won by a decent majority?

OK - just let me dream.
/clicking my heels together - there is no place like home ...

reparations for dinosaurs!

we burn the poor bastards every time we get in our cars

let's have a party
call it

the celebrations for reparations

and have it every June 19th

in Australia the Aborigines already celebrate
Payback in the Outback every September 5th

esch (#33),

Come on esch, won't it will make you feel good inside to hand out a little cash to Oprah Winfrey and Micheal Jordon, you know, so they can bear up under the terrible oppression they've experienced in their lifetimes because of what happened to someone else, 150 years ago?

Ok, counter proposal. All of the descendants of Union soldiers who died to end slavery get reparations checks from, grateful African Americans.

It’s telling that Barack Obama has to start off every policy statement with, “I’ve said before ... I’ve been consistent ... I’ve consistently said ... I’ll repeat again ...”

Methinks the Barry doth protest too much.

As for "reparations"; so under the same logic, I get to counterclaim for anything bad any black person has ever done to me, right? Like those two guys who tried to mug me in NYC in 1994? I mean, if I'm vicariously responsible for bad things done with my complexion a century and a half ago, presumably black people are vicariously responsible for things done relatively recently, correct?

Or... hmm... maybe we're all just responsible for our own actions. Now there's a radical concept.

re: #37 LindaMarie

Al-taqiyya

Up-dinged your comment, not because I think BHO is Muslim, but because BHO's supporters are making the same type of excuse.

re: #57 opnion

Please see my #13
Cashiers check or money order. No personal checks!
Thanks

Since his family in Kenya has slaves, will those people be getting reparations?

how about "celebation instead of reparation"
as a new catch phrase

meaning, stop having 8 welfare-bred and paid for babies
and then sending them out into the streets to be lookouts for drug dealing thugs, only to get themselves killed before they turn 21

that might help clean up the inner city ghettos
a little self control, not a lot of anger and denial

I'm not going to write a big post about it, but I decided to drop the boycott of AP. No point to it, and as it gets closer to the election their coverage itself is an issue.

As they say ,,, FOLLOW THE MONEY. So here's what I propose. Slaves were bought FROM African tribal leaders. As soon as the decendants of those tribal leaders give back the money their ancestors made from the slave sales (plus inflation plus interest) then and ONLY then would I even CONSIDER looking for US citizens that currently or formerly owned slaves !

Anyone else see part of Obama's Presidential Press Conference from Cape Canaveral Florida this morning @ 9am EST? Was it ever "presidential"! Only thing missing was the "Ruffles and Flourishes" played by the President's Own marching band.

I thought Obama was going to launch a new Space Program and order his administration to cure the Great Bush/McCain depression of 8-10 years by Monday morning.

Obama's was trying his darndest to look "presidential" and serious to counter his celebrity world tour de hype love-in.

re: #50 Quintus_Arius

When you can vote yourself a 'free lunch'...the end is near. God help us!

You type sooth. Once the productive become enslaved to the unproductive you're pretty much done as a culture.

I'm wondering how long it will be before Obambi's Civil Action Corps (or whatever he'll call his red-shirts) start harassing/assaulting the politically 'unpopular'.

This is how tyrannies are born.

You were boycotting AllahPundit?
who knew...
/come on now

re: #63 Charles

I'm not going to write a big post about it, but I decided to drop the boycott of AP. No point to it, and as it gets closer to the election their coverage itself is an issue.

In the sense of a "kimono", do they have any "coverage" at ALL?

We need a huge government agency to study and catalogue every aggrieved group who committed the grievance and the severity of the grievance. Cash values will be assigned to grievances. Your ancestry will be analyzed, and an accounting made, grievances committed will debit the account, grievance received a deposit. Once every thing has been account for you'll receive a bill or a check.

Nothing could be simpler!

/

Wasn't Liberia established as a place to which former slaves could return?

I don't even understand how reparations are supposed to work.

Is it that everyone who is white has to pay money? My family never owned anyone so why should I pay?

Is it that anyone who is white and lives in the south pay? What if they're poor? What if they're Middle Class? Are they expected to come up with 40 acres and a mule because they're white Southerners?

Is it supposed to come from the Government? How in G-d's name is the Government supposed to afford that? My guess is T-x-s.......

Should we just go to the next people group who were persecuted? How about the Irish? Nobody likes the Irish (part of my family is Irish and we constantly make jokes about that). How about the Russians? Or maybe the Armenians?

The fact is we live in a country where some people are looking to take offense. Reparations is opening a can of worms we can ill-afford...

I want reparations from Katie Couric, Brian Williams, the NY Times et al for the way they've been treating me. Their collective contempt for conservatives should be classified as a hate crime.

Make out your checks to rwmofo.

Reparations are a continuation of the near psychotic fantasy that black people are "sons and daughters of slaves." No they are not, slavery ended in 1865, 143 years ago, given that the average black child is born to a 15 yo in America that means nine generations ago. They are no more victims of slavery than I am a victim of the Irish potato famine.

Whats important to note is the source of the fantasy is the popularity of substituting feelings for facts, a sorry condition that is epidemic in the black community: its not what is true, its what they feel is true. And Whitey be going along with it.

"I've consistently said I was consistent on the consistancy issue, so let me say it again..."

ha...

Actually, his statement "I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again..." suggests his pompousness... He's saying he's bothered by people asking questions, making him do extra work, after all, if he's said it once, that should be good enough and leave him to his miraculous world-salvation.

re: #71 mjk

I don't even understand how reparations are supposed to work.

Is it that everyone who is white has to pay money? My family never owned anyone so why should I pay?

Is it that anyone who is white and lives in the south pay? What if they're poor? What if they're Middle Class? Are they expected to come up with 40 acres and a mule because they're white Southerners?

Is it supposed to come from the Government? How in G-d's name is the Government supposed to afford that? My guess is T-x-s.......

Should we just go to the next people group who were persecuted? How about the Irish? Nobody likes the Irish (part of my family is Irish and we constantly make jokes about that). How about the Russians? Or maybe the Armenians?

The fact is we live in a country where some people are looking to take offense. Reparations is opening a can of worms we can ill-afford...

You're a racist who just doesn't understand nuance!
/ ;-)

How can Barry be "consistent" when he has virtually no track record to begin with?

re: #65 alegrias

From Cape Canaveral? Come to think of it, I haven't heard him mention the space program. Where does he stand?

re: #69 jcm

We need a huge government agency to study and catalogue every aggrieved group who committed the grievance and the severity of the grievance. Cash values will be assigned to grievances. Your ancestry will be analyzed, and an accounting made, grievances committed will debit the account, grievance received a deposit. Once every thing has been account for you'll receive a bill or a check.

Nothing could be simpler!

/

Working in the chip industry, you'd be a natural to head the agency.

/barfing permitted

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations — that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery.

How can you "make up for the damages done by slavery" when the don't exist? The problems facing poor, inner city residents, black, white, or other, are due to the toxic effects of the welfare state, not some lingering trauma from slavery... a trauma that mysteriously laid dormant for a century, only to spring to life in the post-Great Society era.

The disparity in reading, legitimacy rates, marriage formation, etc were minor or non-existent until the creation of an extensive welfare system that paid people to behave in self destructive ways.

re: #60 redshirt

Please see my #13
Cashiers check or money order. No personal checks!
Thanks

Ok, you skate this one. He will still make you fork over some cash to the Umma for the Crusades.

re: #70 goddessoftheclassroom

Wasn't Liberia established as a place to which former slaves could return?

No, silly goose, that's where we can get 9/11 memorial money from. (just saw the commercial)

I actually have no idea where the former slaves could return...

A Fatah activist has his mustache removed in solidarity with fellow Fatah members, who accuse Hamas of using a close shave as a humiliating punishment.

lol

Where is Amnesty (your $) Intl. when you need them.

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re: #70 goddessoftheclassroom

*attempts to struggle to feet, flops back down*

re: #70 goddessoftheclassroom

Wasn't Liberia established as a place to which former slaves could return?

Yes it was and a number did so. They were doing well until about 20 years ago. Too many illegal immagrants from other parts of Africa under seige by their corrupt governments moved there.
At least that is what I remember reading.
Waiting to be corrected if wrong.

The lunay here is that Barry's paternal, Islamic relatives were freaking Slavers!

re: #70 goddessoftheclassroom

Wasn't Liberia established as a place to which former slaves could return?

Yes, it was a popular concept during that time, at least among American intellectuals.

“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,”

1. Give poor inner city parents school vouchers. Let them choose their own school. Competition breeds improvement every time it's tried

2. Give tax cuts to " the rich" and to businesses. they will hire inner city people. ( assuming most of the able-bodied bums will actually work when offered a job )

re: #81 mjk

No, silly goose, that's where we can get 9/11 memorial money from. (just saw the commercial)

I actually have no idea where the former slaves could return...

from Wiki: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

In 1822, the American Colonization Society established Liberia as a place to send black people who were formerly enslaved. Other African Americans, who were never enslaved, chose to emigrate to Liberia as well.[5] African-Americans gradually migrated to the colony and became known as Americo-Liberians, from where many present day Liberians trace their ancestry. On July 26, 1847, the Americo-Liberian settlers declared the independence of the Republic of Liberia.

The settlers regarded Africa as a "Promised Land", but they did not integrate into an African society. Once in Africa, they referred to themselves as "Americans" and were recognized as such by local Africans and by British colonial authorities in neighbouring Sierra Leone. The symbols of their state — its flag, motto, and seal — and the form of government that they chose reflected their American background and diaspora experience. Lincoln University (founded as Ashmun Institute for educating young blacks in Pennsylvania in 1854) played an important role in supplying Americo-Liberians leadership for the new Nation. The first graduating class of Lincoln University, James R. Amos, his brother Thomas H. Amos, and Armistead Miller sailed for Liberia on the brig Mary C. Stevens in April, 1859 after graduation.
Indigenous Liberian women in 1910.
Indigenous Liberian women in 1910.

The religious practices, social customs and cultural standards of the Americo-Liberians had their roots in the antebellum American South. These ideals strongly influenced the attitudes of the settlers toward the indigenous African people. The new nation, as they perceived it, was coextensive with the settler community and with those Africans who were assimilated into it. Mutual mistrust and hostility between the "Americans" along the coast and the "Natives" of the interior was a recurrent theme in the country's history, along with (usually successful) attempts by the Americo-Liberian minority to dominate what they identified as savage native peoples. They named the land "Liberia," which in the Romance languages, and in Latin in particular, means "Land of the Free," as an homage to their freedom from slavery.

Biden was wrong when he said Obama is articulate. Obama's speechwriters are articulate. Obama makes "valley-girl" speech sound like Churchill.

In fact Obaba made it pretty clear he wants white America ti pay reparations to blacks, American Indians, and likely other groups, such as Hispanics and Hawaiians..

re: #30 uncleFuzzy

Has anyone put a trace on his earlier statements on reparations?

While I doubt there is a definitive for or against statement in particular, I am interested to know exactly what he has "said in the past" and will "repeat again"? Is it "that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” or is it something entirely different?

Here is another statement from 2004, indicating that Obama was opposed to reparations then too.

Asked in Moline about a controversial demand by some blacks for reparations for slavery, Obama spoke about how slavery had left a stain on the country that has yet to be eradicated. Still, he said, he opposes "just signing checks over to African-Americans."

It’s telling that Barack Obama has to start off every policy statement with, “I’ve said before ... I’ve been consistent ... I’ve consistently said ... I’ll repeat again ...”

Someone just might put an ad together with that.

re: #83 pre-Boomer Marine brat

*attempts to struggle to feet, flops back down*

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re: #7 rw in san diego

These "I've said it before and I'll say it again" statements are becoming very tiresome. He's also well on his way to being crowned the 'King of Redundancy'.

Department of Redundancy Department

re: #33 esch

As a 4th generation Scandinavian married to a Native American, this stuff really gets my rage going. Neither of us have ancestors that owned African slaves. WHY should I be forced on penalty of death to hand over money to people who did not earn it and have not lacked for opportunity?

Well, your Native American spouse could be in the running for a windfall!

re: #73 Right Brain

And my grandmother was a "victim" of the potato famine.
And look where her children, grandchildren, great grandchildren and great - great grandchildren live now.
In the land of the free.
At least free for now.
Maybe I should send a check to the Irish for the opportunity they gave me to be born in the US.

NOT

re: #79 stevieray

The problems facing poor, inner city residents, black, white, or other, are due to the toxic effects of the welfare state.

Is THAT ever true. I know someone who works in a hospital, and every night obese, unemployed welfare-supported people of all races take ambulances to the ER to get narcs and ambulance rides back home (because they are too large to go otherwise), 100% at tax payer expense. Think of that when you look at your paystub. That's about $3,000 - $5,000 round-trip, I'd guess. EVERY NITE. Each.

Massive abuse. Ya, the health care system is broken. But the Dems see it opposite to reality. They need to CUT, not FUND.

What planet does Bob Herbert live on?

Nevertheless, it’s frustrating to watch John McCain calling out Barack Obama on race. Senator Obama has spoken more honestly and thoughtfully about race than any other politician in many years. Senator McCain is the head of a party that has viciously exploited race for political gain for decades.

re: #93 goddessoftheclassroom

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com.. .]

ROFL!
Now THAT, I can relate to.

(wherever you are) MWAH!

re: #90 pat

In fact Obaba made it pretty clear he wants white America ti pay reparations to blacks, American Indians, and likely other groups, such as Hispanics and Hawaiians..

Really? What makes you say that? There are several statements contradicting that idea posted in this thread.

re: #14 sattv4u2

did you know that Kerry served in Vietnam?

I think there were medals, or something?

re: #87 Shug

1. Give poor inner city parents school vouchers. Let them choose their own school. Competition breeds improvement every time it's tried

2. Give tax cuts to " the rich" and to businesses. they will hire inner city people. ( assuming most of the able-bodied bums will actually work when offered a job )

I "somewhat" disagree with your number 1

I lived in a large ghetto filled city (Oakland) and we had what is called:
"open enrollment" where anyone outside a given school boundary could petition to go to another school, space permitting

sadly, the dregs of the earth came in to those "better" schools and now they perform as poorly as the worst because everyone had to teach down to these new kids and it has only gotten worse as more of the parents who are involved, pulled their kids out for private schools

in intent though, vouchers do sound good, I cannot deny that
but parental involvement and direction of the child's core values is what is most needed
and the parents are the destructive force if you ask me, not the schools

"I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” the Illinois Democrat said recently.

Some two dozen members of Congress are co-sponsors of legislation to create a commission that would study reparations — that is, payments and programs to make up for the damage done by slavery."

Translation into English: I will tax the shit out of everyone who earns money and pour it into the areas where the blacks live.

I've just finally watched a couple of McCain's new ads and I must say I'm impressed. The One is excellent and Obama Love (may not be official McCain, can't remember) is brilliant. Unfortunately, I don't think the MSM numbskulls have enough self-awareness to get that they're being made fun of so they won't alter their behavior.

I know for a fact that I cannot take four years of this jug eared snake-oil salesman.

re: #100 JustMyView

Really? What makes you say that? There are several statements contradicting that idea posted in this thread.

first off, a big f*ck you to you this early morning hour

then, look at my post#18
and don't tell me you don't understand plain English

he wants reparations
"not words but deeds"

can't get any clearer than that

re: #103 Shr_Nfr

Translation into English: I will tax the shit out of everyone who earns money and pour it into the areas where the blacks live.

We live in a globally mobile society. He does not realize that people like me can operate *anywhere* in the world just as easily and if taxed heavily, will relocate OUS. Another mechanism that causes the tax revenue drops the more you tax. They think we are captive tax revenue generators stuck in the Matrix.

His human batteries will leave.

re: #100 JustMyView

Really? What makes you say that? There are several statements contradicting that idea posted in this thread.

Because it is alluded to in my local paper. Code talk to be sure, but I know what is in the Akaka Bill.and I know what 'deed' refers to rather than words.
[Link: starbulletin.com...]

re: #99 pre-Boomer Marine brat

re: #102 Adrenalyn

If schools are allowed to set and maintain standards of behavior and not cave in to "student rights," academic achievement will follow.

If we as a society could tolerate the painful transition, we should end compulsory education at 14 and provide secondary education only to those who maintain attendance and achievement standards and establish boot camp-type reform schools/prisons for those who get into trouble because they have no skills.

re: #63 Charles

I'm not going to write a big post about it, but I decided to drop the boycott of AP. No point to it, and as it gets closer to the election their coverage itself is an issue.

Charles, you forgot the OT:....only joking.

re: #18 Adrenalyn

well, in this article [Link: starbulletin.com...]

he makes it pretty clear he wants reparations

for those of you too lazy to read the whole article
here is a nice little snippet
"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

also of note, this was give to a group of black journalists
I still am looking for a gathering of white journalists to compare this to but can't find any

His ancestors were never slaves!

Except fot the indians my Viking forebears got to North America long before those other Identity Politics groups so I want first dibs on the handouts!

www.adversity.net/fed_stats/OPM2006/default.htm

i would not shit you, you are my favorite turd.
who is shittin who?

OT: This is why I do enjoy the radio show "This American Life", on NPR, despite the liberal slant. It's on right now, talking about a phenomenon I was not aware of: 7/7 conspiracy theorists. These are people who believe that the London Transport bombings weren't really bombings... it was a power surge that coursed through the Tube, somehow blowing people apart. Then, the government decided to cover up their misfeasance by cooking up this "Islamist bombing" story. Oh, and then deliberately blowing up the bus at Tavistock Square to give cover to the story.

The show is not being kind to them. The interviewer just told the lead conspiracy theorist to "fuck off".

re: #106 Max Darkside

I agree, if he wins I am immigrating. Already talking to the Expats here (there are 20 counties represented at least) and exploring the possibilities.
It won't be easy but it can be done. Especially since you will not be moving there to go on welfare.

re: #91 JustMyView

Great, and thank you very much for the information. Now, I wonder if he has ever been on the other side of this? Has he ever promoted "reparations" in one form or another. He's a D-politician so I suspect he may have done just that, but I would be interested to know for certain.

I won't begrudge the man for saying "“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — " if indeed he has kept this position.

re: #18 Adrenalyn

Obama: "I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

As a Native American (Slapaho Nation), I learned the hard way that political correctness has no limitations. I was told to move along.

re: #108 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #102 Adrenalyn

If schools are allowed to set and maintain standards of behavior and not cave in to "student rights," academic achievement will follow.

If we as a society could tolerate the painful transition, we should end compulsory education at 14 and provide secondary education only to those who maintain attendance and achievement standards and establish boot camp-type reform schools/prisons for those who get into trouble because they have no skills.

Very true.
(Over-simplified) behavior is a first-step tool, learn-by-doing, for building character. Character is the necessary springboard for achievement.

re: #107 pat

Because it is alluded to in my local paper. Code talk to be sure, but I know what is in the Akaka Bill.and I know what 'deed' refers to rather than words.
[Link: starbulletin.com...]

You might want to read the transcript of that interview (scroll down) because it was clear, in context, that he was disagreeing w/ the idea of reparations for minorities, assuming that reparations are some form of direct payment for past wrongs. As to the Akaka Bill, I'm not familiar with it. I also haven't heard that Obama has endorsed it.

It was the really stupid voter that wanted change that put Carter in the White House in '76.

It will be the even dumber voter that is hoping things will really change this time that will put Obama in the White House this November.

If the GOP can not hold onto forty-one or more reliable seats in the Senate, then it will not make any difference who is elected President this November.

If the DemonRats can get a hold of sixty or more seats in the Senate it will be the beginning of the end of the two party system in this country.

I don't have any faith in the voter anymore, too many are just plain clueless and will buy into crap like this thinking it's more "free" money for them.

re: #115 uncleFuzzy

Great, and thank you very much for the information. Now, I wonder if he has ever been on the other side of this? Has he ever promoted "reparations" in one form or another. He's a D-politician so I suspect he may have done just that, but I would be interested to know for certain.

I won't begrudge the man for saying "“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — " if indeed he has kept this position.

HAA HAA - you are joking. You must have forgot the scarc tag

That man changes his position more often then he changes his socks!

re: #119 Da_Beerfreak

If the DemonRats can get a hold of sixty or more seats in the Senate it will be the beginning of the end of the two party system in this country.

fixed

“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — that the best reparations we can provide are good schools in the inner city and jobs for people who are unemployed,” the Illinois Democrat said recently.

If that's your position Senator, why allow your fellow Democrats to oppose school vouchers that enable inner city kids escape awful public schools? Hiking the minimum wage has meant an increase in unemployment - fewer job opportunities for the same inner cities.

Nuanced? I'd say that Obama is economically out of touch with all Americans other than his fellow limo liberals.

re: #115 uncleFuzzy

Great, and thank you very much for the information. Now, I wonder if he has ever been on the other side of this? Has he ever promoted "reparations" in one form or another. He's a D-politician so I suspect he may have done just that, but I would be interested to know for certain.

I won't begrudge the man for saying "“I have said in the past — and I’ll repeat again — " if indeed he has kept this position.

The earliest quotes I could find were 2004. Since that's when he ran for senator, it makes sense that that would have been when he'd first have been asked to address this issue in forums where his answers were captured in the press.

BTW...

The idea of giving checks to individuals as reparations has been dead for a while. As far back as the early 80's the reparations movement was built around the idea of funding existing and establishing new institutions to funnel the money to "worthwhile" programs. The fact that Obama says he is against handing checks to individuals is in no way proof that he is against reparations -- in fact it is in keeping with the current thinking on the proper way to structure the reparations system.

re: #110 MandyManners

His ancestors were never slaves!

Well, I don't think he was being asked about whether he favored reparations for himself.

Obama's kids attend a school at the University of Chicago and he opposes vouchers.

How about reparations from liberals to inner-city parents whose kids are stuck in failed schools in the community Obama organized?

#107 pat

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

Thanks for the link to your newspaper. You're absolutely right that Obama alluded to reparations when he said we needed to offer deeds. Wonderfully ambiguous and non-committal so he can say he was misunderstood.

Typical politician; everything comes down to interpretation. Maybe he'd like to offer them the deeds to all our homes.

re: #121 sattv4u2

You got that right!
// {:-(™

re: #124 stevieray

in keeping with the current thinking on the proper way to structure the reparations system

Hear Hear!

re: #118 JustMyView

He has, and it has 'reparations' galore. As for the rest of the article, it is clear enough. I heard the speech.

re: #30 uncleFuzzy

He mentioned "deeds not words" not only recently to the minority journalists, an almost identical quote was also buried in his teachings at the University of Chicago back in the early 90s.Sorry, no link, but it might be in the archives. This tells me exactly where he stands and in a very consistent way for a change.

NOBAMA!

Say something once,
Why say it again?

My great-grandfather, (Dad's grand-dad) enlisted in 1862 in a Michigan cavalry regiment at the age of 16. He had told his parents he was going squirrel hunting and the hunt lasted 3 years, evidently gray squirrels. All my youth growing up he was held up to me as a role model to live up to, evidently he was a very dignified, well respected man in the community. All his life he was outspoken against any forms of racism or sectional hate,stating "The black man was the best friend of the Union soldier and the Confederate veterans are to be respected as honorable opponents, not hated". I have a copy of a local newspaper with his 1932 obituary , on the front page, bordered in black that repeated these statements. He was killed by a young man in a pedestrian-motorcycle accident after a long life that still affects his descendants and those who knew him. I have his cavalry saber on the wall behind me. I'm pretty sure he would be dismayed on how the cause he fought for and the life he lived could have been seen as nothing but an empty gesture that doesn't pay the "balance due, pay now" talk coming out of some quarters.

re: #113 Occasional Reader

OT: This is why I do enjoy the radio show "This American Life", on NPR, despite the liberal slant. It's on right now, talking about a phenomenon I was not aware of: 7/7 conspiracy theorists. These are people who believe that the London Transport bombings weren't really bombings... it was a power surge that coursed through the Tube, somehow blowing people apart. Then, the government decided to cover up their misfeasance by cooking up this "Islamist bombing" story. Oh, and then deliberately blowing up the bus at Tavistock Square to give cover to the story.

The show is not being kind to them. The interviewer just told the lead conspracy theorist to "fuck off".

* * *

BBC World News from Washington, DC said last night 3 of the London subway bombers/associates weren't convicted by the jury, I think. I could be wrong, but how sick people refuse to convict these murderers.

re: #126 JammieWearingFool

Vouchers = more future republicans. Less Democrats.

This fool doesn't know what he stands for....Unless david axelrod tells him what he stands for.

In fact Obaba made it pretty clear he wants white America ti pay reparations to blacks, American Indians, and likely other groups, such as Hispanics and Hawaiians..

My family already paid reparations by having a couple of ancestors spending the summer of 1863 in a disease infested swamp along the Mississippi near Helena Arkansas.

re: #76 Cartman

How can Barry be "consistent" when he has virtually no track record to begin with?

Bran muffins.

re: #114 LindaMarie

I agree, if he wins I am immigrating. Already talking to the Expats here (there are 20 counties represented at least) and exploring the possibilities. It won't be easy but it can be done. Especially since you will not be moving there to go on welfare.

For me it's easy. I just need an internet connnection.

Singapore is nice. Their "Social Security" program is essentially 3 savings accounts, with mandatory savings. However, due to their economic success as a "new Hong Kong", the cost of housing is more like NYC, about $3G's / month for an apartment.

re: #119 Da_Beerfreak

"If the DemonRats can get a hold of sixty or more seats in the Senate it will be the beginning of the end of the two party system in this country."

If that happens, they will believe the idiocy which emanates from the MSM and their far-left constituency, sprint farther left while trying to implement their nuttiest ideas and immediately lose the center which fell for the misguided idea called "change."

As always, Obama remains nebulous.
"Deeds, not words"
Without naming specific "DEEDS", thats as vague as HOPE ,,, CHANGE ,,

Present !

re: #138 itellu3times

Bran muffins.

LOL

re: #125 JustMyView

Well, I don't think he was being asked about whether he favored reparations for himself.

Read the freakin' quote. He said "our tragic history" and I don't think he had a mouse in his pocket at the time.

re: #142 Shug

Present !

LOL

re: #125 JustMyView

His ancestors were never slaves!

Well, I don't think he was being asked about whether he favored reparations for himself.

And maybe that's why he doesn't favor cash reparations.

A Presidet Barack Obama would force American taxpayers to compensate "victims of slavery."

To tackle the topic, first, a simple question: is Obama opposed to reparations? Indeed, the question is not so simple. Nothing is ever simple and straightforward where Barry Obama and words come together. Obama's pirouettes on the question of reparations would enchant any balletomane; his position always depends on who is asking and who is listening. And who is watching.

Obama and the Dems have said they want to create a new race in Hawaii. Yep, that will be good for America.

re: #144 MandyManners

Read the freakin' quote. He said "our tragic history" and I don't think he had a mouse in his pocket at the time.

how bout a snake in his trousers?

re: #98 JammieWearingFool

What planet does Bob Herbert live on?

Bob Herbert knows that the Democrat party relies on the black community to vote for them twenty to one, so who is exploiting the black community? Not the Republicans, all they do is promote members of that community to prominent cabinet seats, such as President Bush has.

re: #148 Dave the.....

Obama and the Dems have said they want to create a new race in Hawaii.

A new Ironman?!?!

/sarc

re: #122 lawhawk

If that's your position Senator, why allow your fellow Democrats to oppose school vouchers that enable inner city kids escape awful public schools? Hiking the minimum wage has meant an increase in unemployment - fewer job opportunities for the same inner cities.

Nuanced? I'd say that Obama is economically out of touch with all Americans other than his fellow limo liberals.

* * *
Reparations are taxes.

Reparations are re-distribution.

Redistribution by force is communism.

"From each according to their ability; to each according to their [grievance] need"-- KARL MARX

Obama is being true to his creed.

re: #134 alegrias

* * *

BBC World News from Washington, DC said last night 3 of the London subway bombers/associates weren't convicted by the jury, I think. I could be wrong, but how sick people refuse to convict these murderers.

I don't see anything right now on BBC online about it. But I do see how they're going to make all Brits safer by throwing people in jail for carrying a folding knife.

re: #149 sattv4u2

I ain't gonna' go there.

re: #154 MandyManners

I ain't gonna' go there.

hey ,, it was YOU that brought ,,,, ummm,,, it ,,,ummm,, UP ! !

BAD SATT ,, BAD BAD BAD !

re: #150 Right Brain

Bob Herbert knows that the Democrat party relies on the black community to vote for them twenty to one, so who is exploiting the black community? Not the Republicans, all they do is promote members of that community to prominent cabinet seats, such as President Bush has.

BINGO

re: #124 stevieray

BTW...

The idea of giving checks to individuals as reparations has been dead for a while. As far back as the early 80's the reparations movement was built around the idea of funding existing and establishing new institutions to funnel the money to "worthwhile" programs. The fact that Obama says he is against handing checks to individuals is in no way proof that he is against reparations -- in fact it is in keeping with the current thinking on the proper way to structure the reparations system.

* * *
Reparations = stimulus checks

This morning at his presidential press conference, Obama called for BILLIONS more in reparations, or "stimulus" checks, to fix the BUSH/McCAIN great depression.

re: #144 MandyManners

Read the freakin' quote. He said "our tragic history" and I don't think he had a mouse in his pocket at the time.

You've never said "our history" to refer to some part of U.S. history that you didn't participate in directly? Come now.

I support Reparations for all former slaves. They need only apply in person to receive their check

Why is anyone surprised he is for reparations? And, why is anyone surprised he is concealing, distorting and outright hiding his actual beliefs with vague, unclear, conflicting and confusing stances on things? That is the M.O. of the left. Obama is just exceptionally well at it. If he ran on what he actually believes, he would not have gotten this far. All politicians have to say what the people want to hear on one level or another. If your true goals and methods for achieving those goals are not popular with the electorate, you do what Obama is doing. And, once you get elected, that's when you roll out what you really want...

If this guy gets elected, heaven help us all.

re: #141 sattv4u2

As always, Obama remains nebulous.
"Deeds, not words"
Without naming specific "DEEDS", thats as vague as HOPE ,,, CHANGE ,,

That is an ironic statement coming from a man that is nothing but words with no deeds.

re: #159 Shug

I support Reparations for all former slaves. They need only apply in person to receive their check

I home with 4 kids........
Does that count?

re: #139 Max Darkside

Husband and I work overseas and will contiune to do so for several years. I am looking for a country were the taxes are not so high (high now but we can handle it and are proud of being US) but it Nobama gets in the taxes will skyrocket. We can buy a plot of land or a small house and offically "move" residence and may do so.

My bus is bigger than your bus.

The notion of group responsibility is a leftist canard. Each of us is responsible for our own actions, not for the actions of others, and certainly not for the actions of people who were dead and buried many long decades before we were ever born.

No one is guilty on account of their race. No one is responsible on account of their skin color. In the saga that was slavery in the US, the guilty and the innocent are all long dead and buried. If you prefer to curse the memory of the guilty then don't let me stop you, but don't let yourself be fooled into thinking that their guilt bloodies the hands of anyone alive today, or that the descendants of the victims from that era have inherited that victim-hood and are therefore deserving of appeasement and propitiation.

My ancestors were enslaved and murdered by the English for centuries. The British people don't owe me any apologies and they don't owe me a dime. I would be insulted and disgusted if either were offered.

"Reparations" for slavery is jut another leftist ploy to destroy the country. Divide and conquer is the name of the game. Create hatred between people in order to weaken and destroy the foundations of civil society. A house divided cannot stand.

re: #125 JustMyView

Well, I don't think he was being asked about whether he favored reparations for himself.

Actually, just by publically considering the notion of reparations suggests, "Vote for me and I'll get you $."

Maybe he won't get reparations, but this is a great way to lock down a specific demographic.

re: #163 LindaMarie

We can buy a plot of land or a small house and offically "move" residence and may do so.

We're in MN and they keep jacking taxes, including gas taxes these days (idiots) so we are in the process of moving to South Dakota. If the Fed does the same thing, they will get the same response as MN is getting.

re: #162 jcm

I home with 4 kids........
Does that count?

No reparations for you, but you do qualify for a medal!

re: #158 JustMyView

You've never said "our history" to refer to some part of U.S. history that you didn't participate in directly? Come now.

I'm 54 years old. Lived in the USA all my life. Am somewhat of a history buff, specifically US History. In all those years, discussing with friends MANY eras of history, I NEVER used the phrase "our history" when talking about periods of time in the USA, or my ancestoral background (in "OUR HISTORY", we Italians,,,,,,,)

nice try

re: #157 alegrias

* * *
Reparations = stimulus checks

This morning at his presidential press conference, Obama called for BILLIONS more in reparations, or "stimulus" checks, to fix the BUSH/McCAIN great depression.

It's a bit of a stretch to conflate economic stimulus checks w/ reparations for slavery and racial discrimination. I'm sure you recall that we already had one round of economic stimulus checks this year and, if I recall correctly, that round was either proposed by or enthusiastically supported by President Bush and the Republicans in Congress.

re: #162 jcm

will a martini do?

I've posted this before, but we need to revisit it frequently for the next 3 months. And remind our brethren. This is a very serious election.

Obama's Stealth Socialism

Some Cherokees, like James Vann, owned slaves too. Are the descendants of these "oppressed peoples" supposed to ante up?

re: #168 Desert Dog

No reparations for you, but you do qualify for a medal!

ROFL!
Its sometimes feels like I'm a slave to the kids, I work for them, come home and care for them.....
Ohhhh wait, there's another word for it.....
PARENT!

re: #171 Shug

will a martini do?

make mine very dry,, straight up ,, with olives

re: #171 Shug

will a martini do?

I'll take it!

*am I too cheap?*

re: #95 imtoast

It looks like she'll get her school paid for. That's about it at this point. Our kids will not.

Don't get me wrong, it will help a lot.

re: #164 wiffersnapper

My bus is bigger than your bus.

So what?
My bus has more wheels!
// {;-)™

OT

Ignore the video, listen to the music.

Amazing.

Obama reversed his "stand" on drilling offshore here in Florida just yesterday ... 48 hours after calling drilling for oil a "scheme".

Why is anybody taking this spineless, phony, lying, POS seriously?

re: #174 jcm

I have three at home all the time too (boys 9, 15, &17)....I will be happy when school starts again. My three little pigs will trash out their lockers and classrooms rather than the house. I feel like we have to get the leaf-blower out every night to get rid of the little messes they make

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

I'm still waiting on my reparations check from the English for how badly they treated the Irish.

And as I said the other day? Still waiting for mine from the Egyptians.

/Any bankers here who could do the math, for reparations due?

re: #19 sattv4u2

I too declare myself exempt, seeing that two grandparents were in Italy, one in Ireland and one in Sicily at the time of slavery, and when they came over here they worked for LESS than "slave wages" to start

Yes, I think about 1/3 of the country has ancestry that only goes back to that time frame, too. It highlights the insanity of the concept, but there are so many ways it's insane one scarcely knows where to begin.

Personally, all my ancestors were here at the time of the Civil War (about half were recent immigrants then - the legal kind.) They were all Northerners, and never owned any slaves. I suppose that means that they were in some small way involved in getting slavery abolished although none of them served (as far as I have found out so far). I'm sure they would be shocked and outraged at the lack of gratitude that would be shown for their efforts.

But let's not presume that all Americans of African descent are for this nonsense. It's really mostly an insane Leftist ideology thing, which means there are plently of elitist white folks on board for this, too (how's that for ironic!?). That being said, a majority of black Americans seem to buy into the Leftist mantra (aren't about 95% Democrats?), so a presumption that "black people are for this stuff" would be understandable, if not necessarily 100% accurate. Certainly there are a few guys like Walter Williams, who would attack this kind of nonsense both aggresively and eloquently.

The loony Left is also getting geared up for war trials, too, in anticipation of a big victory in November. And the list goes on...

re: #170 JustMyView

It's a bit of a stretch to conflate economic stimulus checks w/ reparations for slavery and racial discrimination. I'm sure you recall that we already had one round of economic stimulus checks this year and, if I recall correctly, that round was either proposed by or enthusiastically supported by President Bush and the Republicans in Congress.

* * *
Hey leftist talking point view:

My stimulus check to me is a REFUND because i PAY TAXES.

People who receive stimulus checks but don't PAY taxes, are getting a redistribution/reparation, in my humble opinion.

It costs millions to cut checks to refund those of us who pay taxes, and to "gift" those who don't.

Wasting my tax dollars to refund my tax payment is a WASTE.

I support reparations for all ex-slaves.

re: #181 Desert Dog

I have three at home all the time too (boys 9, 15, &17)....I will be happy when school starts again. My three little pigs will trash out their lockers and classrooms rather than the house. I feel like we have to get the leaf-blower out every night to get rid of the little messes they make

I cleaning up a painting project in the hall. My wife was on the phone yesterday with the foster girls social worker when the got into the finger paints. The hallway looks like a Jackson Pollack.

re: #180 hurricane_jimmy

Obama reversed his "stand" on drilling offshore here in Florida just yesterday ... 48 hours after calling drilling for oil a "scheme".

Why is anybody taking this spineless, phony, lying, POS seriously?

* * *
People lookin' for love in all the wrong places,

Looking for LOVE from their leaders is sick!

Reparations will be paid for in Obamabills.

re: #180 hurricane_jimmy

Obama reversed his "stand" on drilling offshore here in Florida just yesterday ... 48 hours after calling drilling for oil a "scheme".

Why is anybody taking this spineless, phony, lying, POS seriously?

Populist politicians lead from behind, meaning they wait to find out what is "popular" and then act as if it was their own idea in the first place.

No courage, no conviction, just a wet finger to the wind and chutzpa.

programs to make up for the damage done by slavery

Chains we can believe in.

How can anyone believe Obama on this issue, or almost any other issue, where he has reversed his long held beliefs?

It is easy to make a statement to conform to popular opinions, but why should any rational person believe the sudden changes? I certainly do not.

Surely over time a person, including politicians, can shift their opinion on various matters. I think we all have done that, but the blinding speed with which Obama changes his views can only lead to the conclusion that he is either lying or has no clear idea of his own beliefs. Perhaps both of those dynamics are at work.

Obama can not be believed on any matter about reparations except if he says he is for them. Likewise his views on taxation, withdrawl of troops, and immigration.

He has been very clear that he will tax, that he would withdraw, and would be soft on immigration. Any expressions from him now to the contrary must be viewed with extreme skepticism.

It’s telling that Barack Obama has to start off every policy statement with, “I’ve said before ... I’ve been consistent ... I’ve consistently said ... I’ll repeat again ...”

He seems a little sensitive about the “consistency” issue.

Part of it is that he's so green, his statements have no gravitas, and with a fawning press, he's never even been seriously questioned on many serious issues.

So he's trying to create a sense of conviction absent in his public record.

re: #169 sattv4u2

I'm 54 years old. Lived in the USA all my life. Am somewhat of a history buff, specifically US History. In all those years, discussing with friends MANY eras of history, I NEVER used the phrase "our history" when talking about periods of time in the USA, or my ancestoral background (in "OUR HISTORY", we Italians,,,,,,,)

nice try

OT.
I am also 54.
Came to Kabul 2 years ago and last year we got a new HR and Admin manager. The woman was looking through the CV's and personnel files and found what she thought was a typo, that I was born on the same day of the same year as her.
Not a typo. She and I were born on the same day in the same year and as it turns out in the same time zone.

Strange - 53 years later I meet my twin sister in Kabul. Yes we are good friends. Never had any sibling rivalry to get over after all.

re: #192 looking closely

Part of it is that he's so green, his statements have no gravitas, and with a fawning press, he's never even been seriously questioned on many serious issues.

So he's trying to create a sense of conviction absent in his public record.

* * *
Obama was ALL GRAVITAS this morning at his faux "Presidential" press conference.

Obama's working overtime this Saturday morning, to have GRAVITAS Obama money-shots on the news cycle, to counter his Paris Hilton/celebrity fame.

re: #158 JustMyView

You've never said "our history" to refer to some part of U.S. history that you didn't participate in directly? Come now.

Oh, go piss up a rope.

re: #76 Cartman

How can Barry be "consistent" when he has virtually no track record to begin with?

Bravo! The Demonrats should have asked themselves that in the first plcae, but if they thought things through? They would be Republicans.

re: #191 talkradiobug

How can anyone believe Obama on this issue, or almost any other issue, where he has reversed his long held beliefs?

You miss the point. They don't care. What they want is power. Whatever works toward that end is justified. They are stone-cold statists, emotionally aristocratic, and they hold nearly everyone else in complete contempt. They are your betters. The sooner you identify with them, toe their line, and fall into place, the better. If you don't, you're marked. Good luck.

re: #195 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

Such a gracious reply! Very impressive.

re: #177 esch

It looks like she'll get her school paid for. That's about it at this point. Our kids will not.

Don't get me wrong, it will help a lot.

Great, school is expensive. My daughter just got her BA, it cost her 3500.00 a quarter.

I heard that Barack Obama shook hands with a guy and the guy was so filled with hope that the next day he bought a lottery ticket and he won like a million dollars.

re: #195 MandyManners

Oh, go piss up a rope.

/And what did that rope ever do to deserve it?

re: #186 jcm

The hallway looks like a Jackson Pollack.

Sell the house! Sell the house! Sell the house!

re: #196 NY Nana

Bravo! The Demonrats should have asked themselves that in the first plcae, but if they thought things through? They would be Republicans.

They have turned that weakness into a strength. BO has no history so he a Tabula rasa, a clean slate where people can more easily accept the hype and propaganda that is used to sell him with nothing firm to contradict it.

re: #196 NY Nana

Bravo! The Demonrats should have asked themselves that in the first plcae, but if they thought things through? They would be Republicans.

* * *
Obama is a malleable likeable Democrat, unlike Gore or Kerry.

Obama's freshness & likeability is a front for old leftist democrat dogma.

Obama is "UNFIT FOR COMMAND" as Kerry was, only he's more likeable and people know less about him.

[Jerome Corsi who wrote "Unfit for Command" has a new book out on Obama, called "The Obama Nation" with 700 footnotes. It ought to be a devastating factual analysis of Obama's Unfitness to Command]

re: #172 Quintus_Arius

I've posted this before, but we need to revisit it frequently for the next 3 months. And remind our brethren. This is a very serious election.

Obama's Stealth Socialism

That cuts to the heart of the subject of this thread.

Little tough to say about BHO himself, but Michelle will give no quarter. Reparations will be vigorously pursued; the only hope of staving it off will be, perhaps, a filibuster in the Senate, if the GOP can hold on to 41 seats. Otherwise, the only questions are exactly who pays how much to whom, and when - not whether.

#189 Syrah

Populist politicians lead from behind, meaning they wait to find out what is "popular" and then act as if it was their own idea in the first place.

No courage, no conviction, just a wet finger to the wind and chutzpa.

I think you hit it on the head. He'll say or do anything if he thinks it will help him get elected.

The funny thing is it may very well be what prevents him from reaching his dream. The mask is starting to come off and he's being revealed not only to be a populist, but a socialist, massive entitlement lover, and income redistribution activist ... not to mention a total douchebag.

Oh for crying out loud, there will be no reparations just as there will be no Obama presidency!

I'd love to hear a clear statement from this "post racial healer" about WHY he thinks reparations are a bad idea (or why he doesn't think so), and EXACTLY what sort of "reparations" he does and doesn't support.

I don't really think that is too much to ask from someone who is marketing themselves as a leader, especially one allegedly with extreme sensitivity to racial issues.

Come on Barry, where's the leadership?

re: #194 alegrias

He has about enough gravitas to fill the head of a pin.

Obama was already talking about governing this morning at his faux Presidential Press conference.

Only thing missing was his Presidential Seal on the lectern.

re: #98 JammieWearingFool Hi Jammie - in answer to your question: "What planet does Bob Herbert live on?" whereupon he calls the Republican Party the party of racists, etc., the only answer is a planet that has no history books.
Let's at least try to look at some facts Mr. Herbert:
a) it was the Republican Party under Lincoln that did in fact end slavery in this country, no?
b) The post- civil war "Reconstruction Era" saw the Republican government imposing it's law and will on the defeated South; indeed, black Cavalrymen were used to enforce Federal law and they did so with a vengeance. This and other actions by the Federal government led to
c) the "Jim Crow" laws in the now entirely Democratic Party controlled South and also gave rise to such villains as the Ku Klux Klan (all y'all can contact Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) and ask him about it.
d) Orval Faubus (D-Ark) as govenor of Arkansas in 1957 defied the unanimous ruling of the US Supreme Court in Brown vs. The Board of Education by refusing to allow Black students to attend previously all White Schools and who himself was, uh, overturned by Dwight Eisenhower,(R) then POTUS, who threw the 82nd Airborne Division on his ass and he finally complied with the law of the land.
Then in the 1960's a host of DEMOCRATS like George Wallace (D-Alabama) (who became a "republican" the way former head of the KKK David Duke became a Republican) tried to nullify in effect the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the Voter Protection Act (which outlawed the use of "literacy tests" administered by White Democrats to poor and sometimes not so poor Blacks in the Deep South thus denying them the right to vote). This was nearly contemporaneous with the ordered "school bussing" of Black and White Students to try to achieve some degree of racial balance in the school system. This bussing was most vociferously, vigorously and violently opposed in
Roxbury Mass, where the mostly Democratic residents (who had, after all, elected JFK, (D) to the US Senate and helped elect him POTUS) burned buildings, cars and not-infrequently resulted in the Roxbury Riots pitting mostly Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans against Black Americans, the New York City Race Riots in 1964 under a Democratic Mayor and on and on.
I'm not saying Republicans were NOT racists nor am I saying that all Democrats are, but for Mr. Herbert - who is approximately the same age as I am, to state what he did with a presumably straight face is a bald faced LIE.

re: #196 NY Nana

Bravo! The Demonrats should have asked themselves that in the first plcae, but if they thought things through? They would be Republicans.

This is why i can't wait for the debates..
McCain needs to rip baby jesus on all his positions..
Face to face...

re: #21 JammieWearingFool

I'm still waiting on my reparations check from the English for how badly they treated the Irish.

As am I, plus for how they drove my Scotch-Irish ancestors out with protectionist legislation, or my Puritan ancestors with religious oppression, or how they left my one ancestor penniless and unemployed after he helped them take New York from the Dutch, or (blah, blah, blah, blah, blah...). I'm sure we are both severely burdened, still to this day, from those many injustices...

re: #211 alegrias

Obama was already talking about governing this morning at his faux Presidential Press conference.

Only thing missing was his Presidential Seal on the lectern.

What was it exactly about the style or format of that press conference that bothered you? He was just a guy standing behind a microphone.

re: #208 vagabond trader

Oh for crying out loud, there will be no reparations just as there will be no Obama presidency!

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Make it so, vagabond. But don't misunderestimate how many Americans will vote for the "smiley" faced socialist.

Carter became president, and Iran paid reparations to the mullahs. Carter's Andrew Young encourage Mugabe's presidency.
Mugabe instituted reparations, millions are starving.
Carter encourage Saddam Hussein's uprising in 1979.
Hussein started two genocidal wars.

Whose laughing now? The World Can't Afford another carterite.

re: #158 JustMyView

Why did you leave out the "tragic" part ?

re: #206 auldtrafford

Little tough to say about BHO himself, but Michelle will give no quarter. Reparations will be vigorously pursued; the only hope of staving it off will be, perhaps, a filibuster in the Senate, if the GOP can hold on to 41 seats. Otherwise, the only questions are exactly who pays how much to whom, and when - not whether.

The concept of sanction of the victim is essential for this scheme to happen.

Cassius Marcellus Clay, and I don't mean Muhammed Ali, but the man who was his namesake;

# He set his own slaves free long before the Civil War was even considered. # He helped to establish the first interracial college in the nation. # Published "The True American" to stir the ire, conscience and vote of the white working class. # Was nominated for President by acclamation at the Convention and deferred to Lincoln. # He drew record crowds to speak on Lincoln's behalf. # He gave Lincoln critically needed financial support. # Through Mary Todd was Lincoln's most trusted advisor. # Helped Lincoln draft the Emancipation Proclamation. # Should have been Vice President or Secretary of War, but instead became our Ambassador to Russia. # Initiated and consummated the purchase of Alaska, no money down and interest only. # For this he got the Russian Navy to anchor ships in our harbors warning Europe to stay out of our war!

Cassius Clay....Madman or Prophet?

re: #198 JustMyView

Such a gracious reply! Very impressive.

My #169, although not as impressive as Manys reply, didn't get a response from you,, Odd !

re: #207 hurricane_jimmy

Will the real Obama please stand up! (Somebody has to make a Slim Shady parody of that.)

re: #206 auldtrafford

Little tough to say about BHO himself, but Michelle will give no quarter. Reparations will be vigorously pursued; the only hope of staving it off will be, perhaps, a filibuster in the Senate, if the GOP can hold on to 41 seats. Otherwise, the only questions are exactly who pays how much to whom, and when - not whether.

Reparations of the straight checks cut to Black people variety would never fly, even under a Democrat majority. That's a fantasy designed by professional grievance mongers to their "clients".

As far as I am concerned, the United States paid full reparations in the blood of the 360,000 Union soldiers who gave their lives fighting the US Civil War.

Still, if there is any individual alive who can prove damages as a slave in the Antebellum South, I'd support reparations payments *to them*. (Hell, I'd give it to them just for being 140 years old).

re: #216 alegrias

* * *
Make it so, vagabond. But don't misunderestimate how many Americans will vote for the "smiley" faced socialist.

Carter became president, and Iran paid reparations to the mullahs. Carter's Andrew Young encourage Mugabe's presidency.
Mugabe instituted reparations, millions are starving.
Carter encourage Saddam Hussein's uprising in 1979.
Hussein started two genocidal wars.

Whose laughing now? The World Can't Afford another carterite.

Talk about carterite footprints!

re: #206 auldtrafford

Little tough to say about BHO himself, but Michelle will give no quarter. Reparations will be vigorously pursued; the only hope of staving it off will be, perhaps, a filibuster in the Senate, if the GOP can hold on to 41 seats. Otherwise, the only questions are exactly who pays how much to whom, and when - not whether.

They could take away everything from the "rich" and give it all to the poor and within 3 years the poor would again be poor and the rich would again be rich.

_{The problem is that most of the middle class would also be poor.}

re: #210 NY Nana

He has about enough gravitas to fill the head of a pin.

* * *
Hollywood would like nothing more than to have a wannabe Castro in the WhiteHouse! They'd get to party in the Lincoln Bedroom again, and party in the people's house, without going to Cuba or Venezuela or Zimbabwe to trash their country from overseas.

Hollywood says "Elect Obama, and say F&^% You to America, FROM the White House, In English"!

re: #217 grahamski

Why did you leave out the "tragic" part ?

Because it doesn't help his argument.

I am white, and my son is black. Any reparations tax scheme (whatever the guise) will reduce his rightful inheritance. Where is the "social justice" in that, Obama?
/I know, to make an omelette, you get a few broken eggs, the usual.

re: #213 HoosierHoops

This is why i can't wait for the debates..
McCain needs to rip baby jesus on all his positions..
Face to face...

* * *
Dear Hoosier,

I'll thank you not to equate politician Obama with God, nor Jesus whom many here love & worship. No need to disrespect the Blameless One by comparing Jesus to a shyster from Chicago.

re: #217 grahamski

re: #226 Spiny Norman

Because it doesn't help his argument.

same reason he didn't respond to my #169

re: #212 realwest

Hi Jammie - in answer to your question: "What planet does Bob Herbert live on?" whereupon he calls the Republican Party the party of racists, etc., the only answer is a planet that has no history books.
Let's at least try to look at some facts Mr. Herbert:
a) it was the Republican Party under Lincoln that did in fact end slavery in this country, no?
b) The post- civil war "Reconstruction Era" saw the Republican government imposing it's law and will on the defeated South; indeed, black Cavalrymen were used to enforce Federal law and they did so with a vengeance. This and other actions by the Federal government led to
c) the "Jim Crow" laws in the now entirely Democratic Party controlled South and also gave rise to such villains as the Ku Klux Klan (all y'all can contact Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV) and ask him about it.
d) Orval Faubus (D-Ark) as govenor of Arkansas in 1957 defied the unanimous ruling of the US Supreme Court in Brown vs. The Board of Education by refusing to allow Black students to attend previously all White Schools and who himself was, uh, overturned by Dwight Eisenhower,(R) then POTUS, who threw the 82nd Airborne Division on his ass and he finally complied with the law of the land.
Then in the 1960's a host of DEMOCRATS like George Wallace (D-Alabama) (who became a "republican" the way former head of the KKK David Duke became a Republican) tried to nullify in effect the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the Voter Protection Act (which outlawed the use of "literacy tests" administered by White Democrats to poor and sometimes not so poor Blacks in the Deep South thus denying them the right to vote). This was nearly contemporaneous with the ordered "school bussing" of Black and White Students to try to achieve some degree of racial balance in the school system. This bussing was most vociferously, vigorously and violently opposed in
Roxbury Mass, where the mostly Democratic residents (who had, after all, elected JFK, (D) to the US Senate and helped elect him POTUS) burned buildings, cars and not-infrequently resulted in the Roxbury Riots pitting mostly Irish-Americans and Italian-Americans against Black Americans, the New York City Race Riots in 1964 under a Democratic Mayor and on and on.
I'm not saying Republicans were NOT racists nor am I saying that all Democrats are, but for Mr. Herbert - who is approximately the same age as I am, to state what he did with a presumably straight face is a bald faced LIE.

real, Herbert is talking about the Southern Strategy, developed by Nixon and used by other Republicans. Ken Mehlman apologized for it in 2005.

re: #203 Syrah

They have turned that weakness into a strength. BO has no history so he a Tabula rasa, a clean slate where people can more easily accept the hype and propaganda that is used to sell him with nothing firm to contradict it.

Very true. But their false idol has so many cracks that even some Demonrats are sloooooowly waking up, along with, amazingly, some of the MSM, and will regret their choices this election, both Shrill and Hussein...and if, G-d forbid, Hussein is elected? The reverberations will echo for decades, and the ones who made such terrible choices for their party will have to look for a real job.

And there has been some revaluations about him that they must be wondering about, and we can only hope that Dr. Corsi's book, The Obama Nation*** will have the same impact on the electorate as his book on Skerry Kerry did.

***Not a link to Amazon

re: #215 JustMyView

What was it exactly about the style or format of that press conference that bothered you? He was just a guy standing behind a microphone.

* * *
Maybe I'm expecting a debate that Obama's too chicken shit to hold with his worthy opponent.

Just words.

"Just" a guy behind a microphone.
You are a disingenuous one.

re: #18 Adrenalyn

well, in this article [Link: starbulletin.com...]

he makes it pretty clear he wants reparations

for those of you too lazy to read the whole article
here is a nice little snippet
"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," the Democratic presidential hopeful said.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

also of note, this was give to a group of black journalists
I still am looking for a gathering of white journalists to compare this to but can't find any

Geez - I thought the Press Corp was integrated these days! Those racist scumbags!

But yes, "good catch". It's pretty common for a politician (of either stripe) to take one side, and then give supporting commentary that completely counters what he said. Certainly that's common with BHO, but another example I happen to recall was Mitt's speech talking about freedom of religion (the one in reaction to concerns surfacing about his Mormonism).

But really none of these guys hold a candle to Kerry, from the last presidential election. That guy would take both sides of the same issue within the same sentence! Sorry, but he's still "the King" in this area, in my book!

re: #206 auldtrafford
Well, of course I suspect you're correct, but Dem controlled WH and Congress notwithstanding, there would most certainly be lawsuits and it would take years before it got to the SCOTUS which would, I believe, hold that reparations for the evils of slavery could only be:
a)paid to people who could prove they were direct descendants of slaves
b) paid by those people who were direct descendants of slave-holders
c) would necessarily HAVE to hold that White Americans who came to this country AFTER slavery ceased to be legal were not in any way liable for the payment of reparations and
c) would, I think, have to deduct from any reparations payments all of the sums of money paid to said direct descendants of slaves under Welfare, Social Security Insurance (NOT the Social Security you receive when you retire at age 62 or 67 and NOT Social Security Disability Insurance).
When finished, all a reparations law would do would be to set back racial relations in this country by about 150 years or so.

re: #220 sattv4u2

My #169, although not as impressive as Manys reply, didn't get a response from you,, Odd !

My response would be, "So?" I just don't find it too remarkable that an American citizen would say "our history" in referring to events that he or she hadn't experienced directly. If you haven't done so, well, then, that's your experience.

re: #213 HoosierHoops

This is why i can't wait for the debates..
McCain needs to rip baby jesus on all his positions..
Face to face...

I wonder what Barry will do to try to weasel out of the debates. He must be scared to death, as he knows his words are so meaningless that they float away, and will not leave even a mark on anyone. I just hope that the moderator is at least a moderate...no pun intended.

I may have to close down any second now...wicked downpours and thunder is again getting closer.

/Take that, you damned Yankees!

re: #232 alegrias

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Maybe I'm expecting a debate that Obama's too chicken shit to hold with his worthy opponent.

Just words.

"Just" a guy behind a microphone.
You are a disingenuous one.

Well what was it besides a guy behind a microphone? There wasn't anything special about the setting.

As for debates, there'll be three in the fall, as has been the case in the last few elections. Here's the schedule.

I see no logical reason for Obama to support reparations. Anyone who thinks the issue is important is going to vote for him anyway. All it can do is drive away potential independents who don't agree with the issue.

Of course, using Obama and logic in the same sentence is a bit silly.

re: #235 JustMyView

My response would be, "So?" I just don't find it too remarkable that an American citizen would say "our history" in referring to events that he or she hadn't experienced directly. If you haven't done so, well, then, that's your experience.

but you were incredulous that Mandy didn't use it! (You've never said "our history" to refer to some part of U.S. history that you didn't participate in directly? Come now.) so on one hand you can't believe someone DIDN't use it, and on the other "so" because someone didn't use it !

Way to sit on the fence !

re: #232 alegrias

You can say that again, he / she will still not answer why the " tragic" was left out.
I don't need an answer, I think we all know why.re: #217 grahamski

crickets...

I agree, Barack. Let's provide jobs for people who are unemployed.

You DON'T do that by raising taxes on the people who run the businesses that employ people.

Unless, of course, you want everyone employed by the federal government, and nothing actually being PRODUCED, except paper, and endless regulations.

re: #228 alegrias

* * *
Dear Hoosier,

I'll thank you not to equate politician Obama with God, nor Jesus whom many here love & worship. No need to disrespect the Blameless One by comparing Jesus to a shyster from Chicago.

ok fair enough.. can i call him the chosen one?
sorry if you were offended..wasn't my intent..
/try this hoopster.
regards

re: #232 alegrias

* * *
Maybe I'm expecting a debate that Obama's too chicken shit to hold with his worthy opponent.

Just words.

"Just" a guy behind a microphone.
You are a disingenuous one.

Ding!, fries are done!

Okay, so many African-Americans think that the US is going to one day take a look at their skin and cut them a check. Even if, gods forbid, we ever go for reparations, that won't be how it happens.

Let's take my own racial history as an example:

A lot of my dad's family, from what I can tell, are Texas Cherokee, who have spent since 1840 passing as white. The Texas Cherokee left Cherokee country before the Trail of Tears and settled in Texas. Moreover, the lighter-skinned of us just stayed out of the sun for a while, and told the nice Census guy in 1840 we were white, with some (probably fictional) white parents back east somewhere.

Now, what say the government starts paying reparations for the Trail of Tears? Hey, you might say, Sekhmet's family gave up their own identity as a result of the racism they faced, doesn't that count for something? And at least Sekhmet (if you ever saw me) looks a lot more Indian than some blond-haired guy who can actually trace his ancestry on the Dawes rolls. But then again, I have lived my life as a white person. Much like the Marranos of Spain, my family's Cherokee traditions were stomped out of us in the effort to fit in. Moreover, hard-to-document claims to Native American heritage like mine have been the basis for completely spurious claims to Native American heritage like Ward Churchill's and a whole buttload of fake medicine men.

By the same token, Barak Obama is a prime example of how not every black person had ancestors who came to the US in chains. Colin Powell as well. Barak descends from non-enslaved Africans, and if Colin Powell's ancestors were slaves, they were slaves of the British Empire, not the United States. Any tort over slavery would be with some European former colonial power. The United States won't cover their debt. And don't get me started on the descendants of black people who managed to "pass" as white. They have lived their lives as white people and all of a sudden when there's money involved....

In short for every problem reparations would supposedly "solve," two or more would pop up in its place in terms of fighting over identity. This is the end result of identity politics. We are one people united in one nation, not by race, religion, or politics---we sure differ on those, but in our common belief in this nation we have all built together.

re: #216 alegrias

The Obama need only continue his divisive dissembling racist rubbish and those who actually vote will send him back to the senate. His sophistry may play well to the noblesse oblige set, but it won't fly where most clear thinking citizens live and work.

re: #225 alegrias

Hollywood would like nothing more than to have a wannabe Castro in the WhiteHouse! They'd get to party in the Lincoln Bedroom again, and party in the people's house, without going to Cuba or Venezuela or Zimbabwe to trash their country from overseas.

Hollywood says "Elect Obama, and say F&^% You to America, FROM the White House, In English"!

Alegrias,

I wish I could dig you up 1,000 times! Perfect.

And if the great false idol, Saul Alinsky were still alive? He would appoint him Sec. of State..and Shrill would be thrilled, as she, like Obama, is an Alinsky disciple.

re: #115 uncleFuzzy

Except for the fact that JMV just lied to you and you bought it. Check out post #18.

re: #77 redshirt

From Cape Canaveral? Come to think of it, I haven't heard him mention the space program. Where does he stand?

We had a thing on this a few weeks back. IIRC Barry's position on the space program is to terminate all space exploration at once and hire more teachers in the schools. If someone could find the link to the discussion that would be great, I have too much of a headache this morning to do it. And JMV has made me throw up a little.

re: #73 Right Brain

Reparations are a continuation of the near psychotic fantasy that black people are "sons and daughters of slaves." No they are not, slavery ended in 1865, 143 years ago, given that the average black child is born to a 15 yo in America that means nine generations ago. They are no more victims of slavery than I am a victim of the Irish potato famine.

Whats important to note is the source of the fantasy is the popularity of substituting feelings for facts, a sorry condition that is epidemic in the black community: its not what is true, its what they feel is true. And Whitey be going along with it.

This first paragraph seems a bit "over-the-line". But on the other hand, the only six-generation portrait I've never seen had people in it who - let's just say - "didn't look like the guys on our dollar bills"...

re: #239 sattv4u2

but you were incredulous that Mandy didn't use it! (You've never said "our history" to refer to some part of U.S. history that you didn't participate in directly? Come now.) so on one hand you can't believe someone DIDN't use it, and on the other "so" because someone didn't use it !

Way to sit on the fence !

Well, Mandy didn't contradict me! Seriously, this is a silly argument. There is nothing odd about saying "our history", and I'm done discussing this now. But keep your ears open. I bet you'll hear several uses of this phrase before the week is out.

Of course Obama will sign for reparations. He was hand chosen to be the signatory of such a law. IMHO, this was always the prime directive of those who installed him in to power. Whatever else he says is for the public consumption of the gullible, of which there are no shortage.

re: #230 JustMyView

Gee that's funny - in an Op-Ed in the NYTimes (you remember them; that's the newspaper that ran an editorial by Sen. Obama but refused to run an editorial by Sen. McCain) Mr. Herbert NEVER ONCE MENTIONED the "Southern Strategy" that you referenced in an article that is 3 years old - indeed was published before Sen. Obama was elected to the US Senate.
Moreover, if you actually read what Mr. Herbert said, I think even you'll have to come to the conclusion that his saying McCain is running a racist campaign is sheer, absolute non-sense.

re: #182 NY Nana

And as I said the other day? Still waiting for mine from the Egyptians.

/Any bankers here who could do the math, for reparations due?

Let's see, I am owed by the English for their illegal occupation of Scotland, the English for their illegal occupation of Ireland, the Danish for the serf treatment of my ancestors, and I guess I owe everyone else because I have German in my history and we occupied damn near everyone.

re: #249 JustMyView

Well, Mandy didn't contradict me! Seriously, this is a silly argument. There is nothing odd about saying "our history", and I'm done discussing this now. But keep your ears open. I bet you'll hear several uses of this phrase before the week is out.

You truly are the king of floating toilet logs.

One thing for certain, if the payment of cash reparations does become law, a lot of Americans are suddenly going to discover that they had African ancestors.

Well...there goes your base black vote Barry...furrrrrrrrrrrr shurrrrrrrr.

re: #249 JustMyView

Well, Mandy didn't contradict me! Seriously, this is a silly argument. There is nothing odd about saying "our history", and I'm done discussing this now. But keep your ears open. I bet you'll hear several uses of this phrase before the week is out.

A) Mandy left for the next thread
B) wow ,,,, it's over because YOU say it's over! I didn't learn that stratergy on my high school debate team! too bad, our record would have been better !

re: #253 Mars Needs Neocons

You truly are the king of floating toilet logs.

Excellent. Rotating title if I ever heard one.

re: #237 JustMyView

Well what was it besides a guy behind a microphone? There wasn't anything special about the setting.

As for debates, there'll be three in the fall, as has been the case in the last few elections. Here's the schedule.

* * *
Obama's a "guy behind a microphone"?

Live on prime time with a fawning press corps & big flags in back of him. Yeah, that's "just" a "guy".

"Just" your view.

re: #254 Paul

One thing for certain, if the payment of cash reparations does become law, a lot of Americans are suddenly going to discover that they had African ancestors have Swiss bank accounts .

re: #211 alegrias

Here is Hussein and his Presidential seal...

re: #234 realwest

Well, of course I suspect you're correct, but Dem controlled WH and Congress notwithstanding, there would most certainly be lawsuits and it would take years before it got to the SCOTUS which would, I believe, hold that reparations for the evils of slavery could only be:
a)paid to people who could prove they were direct descendants of slaves
b) paid by those people who were direct descendants of slave-holders
c) would necessarily HAVE to hold that White Americans who came to this country AFTER slavery ceased to be legal were not in any way liable for the payment of reparations and
c) would, I think, have to deduct from any reparations payments all of the sums of money paid to said direct descendants of slaves under Welfare, Social Security Insurance (NOT the Social Security you receive when you retire at age 62 or 67 and NOT Social Security Disability Insurance).
When finished, all a reparations law would do would be to set back racial relations in this country by about 150 years or so.

You might be right on "a)", but the government would be held liable - without regard for where the govt gets its money, so "b)" and "c)" don't follow. The govt payments in "d)" [which you inadvertantly also labelled "c)" ] are for other reasons, and so your claim there is just bitter nonsense.

But you're inescapably correct on your last point.