All hail, Obama!
All Tail, Thane of Glamis!

All hail, Obama!
All hail, Thane of Cawdor!

All hail, Obama, that shalt be POTUS hereafter!

Well, Tail, hail, what the hell.

I think Ojoe may have just failed at the object of life =P

I wonder how Obama's car is doing at Pocono?

re: #3 rlevitin

Well Obama is all tail.

If you're running in the middle of a pack of lemmings, there's sure to be a cliff somewhere up ahead.

Another Obama Shakespear application is the tail told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Koskidz describe a progressive utopia...
Gasoline should be $15, $20 a gallon

We need the price of all hydrocarbons to be taxed at its true value.

Gas/oil should be $15 or $20 a gallon.
Coal should be taxed at a much higher rate than it is now.

The money garnered from these taxes should be used first of all to provide those at the bottom of the economic ladder and the working poor/middle class with what they need to survive for basic electricity, heating and transport.
...
Then, the rest of this money collected from the taxation of these hydrocarbons at their real loaded costs would be available to consumers as loans; loans by the Federal government to adopt alternative energy, to buy the hardware to get off the grid, to purchase vehicles that operate on hydrogen.

re: #6 Shay4l

Good one.

when obama declairs himself the ruler of the world, we will all look back on this and laugh. At least those of us who managed to escape the concentration camps.

re: #4 Macker

I wonder how Obama's car is doing at Pocono?

Pocono? nascar fans ,,,?PENNSYLVANIA!

All those people are clinging to their guns and religion !

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Gee. at that price the economy would collapse

Scary that this guy was working on deadly biological research

Scary guy working at Anthrax research lab

re: #12 Ojoe

Gee. at that price the economy would collapse

thats exactly what the lefties want

re: #14 sattv4u2

Nihilists.

re: #8 Killgore Trout

That's from the Onion, right?

re: #11 sattv4u2

I don't even see Schrader's #49 in the pack...perhaps Obama didn't even qualify.

/Yay!

Pocono is in rain delay..
gives me some time to catch up on some chores.
Ammo count,
Cross Polishing.
etc..

Hoffmonster

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Koskidz describe a progressive utopia...
Gasoline should be $15, $20 a gallon

It's easy to wish $20 gas when the farthest you have to travel is upstairs from mom's basement to get something from her fridge.

re: #19 Shay4l

It's easy to wish $20 gas when the farthest you have to travel is upstairs from mom's basement to get something from her fridge.

My husband thought he heard that the price of our gasoline is being subsidized by higher prices on jet fuel. Does anyone have any pointers to prove this? I'm dubious.

re: #19 Shay4l

It's easy to wish $20 gas when the farthest you have to travel is upstairs from mom's basement to get something from her fridge.

Or to go to the bathroom and get a washcloth to clean up after itself.

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

— Marcus Aurelius

You said it, my man. You said it.

re: #18 hoffmonster

Pocono is in rain delay..
gives me some time to catch up on some chores.
Ammo count,
Cross Polishing.
etc..

Hoffmonster

Ammo and crosses? Are you bitter, and scared of people who don't look like the people on currency?

re: #19 Shay4l

It's easy to wish $20 gas when the farthest you have to travel is upstairs from mom's basement to get something from her fridge.

Now now ,,, lets be truthful here. They also have to go to the inner city to get their grass

(how's that ,, I dissed the hippies AND showed I'm a racist all in one sentence !)

re: #11 sattv4u2

National Day of Prayer NASCAR car.

Jewish NASCAR car.

All good.

Thirteen seconds of Kerry make-believe.

re: #26 Ojoe

How does one say "Yeee-HAWWW!" in Hebrew?

Marcus Aurelius didn't have to worry about any elections, of course.

re: #28 Macker

You will have to ask someone else I only know English & Italian & some Latin.

Perhaps YYYEEEHAAA

is universal however.

re: #20 vxbush

My husband thought he heard that the price of our gasoline is being subsidized by higher prices on jet fuel. Does anyone have any pointers to prove this? I'm dubious.

Well, the last I heard, the price of a barrel of oil was about $125. Since barrels are 42 gallons, I believe, that means $2.97 a gallon just for the oil, never mind refining and transportation and taxes.

So, I'd say the price is not the result of any subsidies for air travel, really.

Hell no..
No bitterness here.
Oh wait..
My Beer (Hobgoblin) is a little bitter.

Bitter clinging is a weekday thing.

Hoffmonster

re: #32 Hoffmonster

Hell no..
No bitterness here.
Oh wait..
My Beer (Hobgoblin) is a little bitter.

Bitter clinging is a weekday thing.

Hoffmonster

My chocolate is bitter, but I like it that way.

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Could I get a loan to buy more gas?

re: #20 vxbush

My husband thought he heard that the price of our gasoline is being subsidized by higher prices on jet fuel. Does anyone have any pointers to prove this? I'm dubious.

in a word ,, nuh uh (is that a waor?)

WORD even

re: #35 sattv4u2

in a word ,, nuh uh (is that a waor?)

Close enough. As I said, I'm dubious. Seems the market would determine the price more than anything else.

re: #25 sattv4u2

Now now ,,, lets be truthful here. They also have to go to the inner city to get their grass

(how's that ,, I dissed the hippies AND showed I'm a racist all in one sentence !)

Where are Canadians getting all their weed?

re: #39 Shay4l

Where are Canadians getting all their weed?

silly shay ,,, don't you know ALL the worlds problems come from the USA !

re: #37 buzzsawmonkey

ARM...5% cap? Been there, done that.

What color is Obama's Pocono car?

Black: cant be, it won't reach the right demographic
Green: can't be, it would mean he supports Hezbollah (like Earnheart, apparently)
Yellow: no way, Hamas uses that color.
Red: bah, thats a republican color.

Must be blue!

So on a facebook group back from before obama became presumptive nominee, about who should win clinton/obama there was this lovely post in the discussion board. I thought I'd share it with you:

The below is a test of one's knowledge of history lessons either learned, or not learned. See how you fare:

A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer make your best guess.
Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it ?
1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."
A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, By the few, and for the few and to replace it with shared responsibility For shared prosperity."
A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something Has to be taken away from some people."
A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to Give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground."
A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."
A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most Profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."
A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

The answer was none of the above for them all, and it was actually clinton who said it.

The scariest part is someones response to this:

was that supposed to make us not like hillary? because i agree with almost all of those statements.

LIBTARDS!

re: #12 Ojoe

That the whole point. We could then redistribute the wealth and live in harmony with mother earth. They are serious about it.

Every man is worth just so much as the things about which he busies himself. -Marcus Aurelius

Hi crew. How is everybody doing this nice sunny Sunday? My Cubs just won, so I'm feeling pretty good. I threw together some thoughts and research about Hezbollah activity in Southern Lebanon. I always get back good opinion from you guys so feel free to tell me what you think about this:

I have noticed a disturbing trend to Hezbollah activity in southern Lebanon. It looks like Hezbollah is buying a lot of land in Southern Lebanon. This trend is not new and the implications are worrisome. Hezbollah is a global terrorist group who's stated mission in life is to wipe the State of Israel off the map.


First of all, lets start at the beginning and think about these Hezbollah land purchases. Land costs money. Where does a terrorist group get the substantial money to do this? It looks like there are 3 main sources for Hezbollah funds:

*Money from Iran

*Money from Criminal Enterprises

*Money raised from Legitimate and illegitimate charities

Here is a good link about Hezbollah finances:

[Link: www.washingtoninstitute.org...]


Key point to note in that report is that Iran gives Hezbollah at least $100 million a year. That figure alone could buy a lot of Lebanese land. But when you tie it together with their other financing, It spells a lot of trouble.

One aspect of Hezbollah financing that is barely mentioned in the above report is the possibility of Iran/Hezbollah counterfeiting US money:

[Link: hotair.com...]


Just to toss a quick thought out there is to think about the sad state of Iran's economy. There is high unemployment and inflation in Iran. If it is true that Iran gives huge amounts of money to Hezbollah instead of spending it on the nation's own domestic needs, I'd say this is a pretty good indication of the Iranian leadership's priorities. A folow-on thought is to ask why. This could be a indicator that Iran is scared of the possibility of US/Israel airstrikes on its nuclear program, and is looking at a way to hit Israel in retaliation.


Here is a good link about the ties between Iran and hezbollah:

[Link: blog.technonllc.com...]


And another link about Iranian financing of Hezbollah activities in Lebanon:

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Why would hezbollah move into villages and hilltops in southern Lebanon? I'll look into Hezbollah moving into villages first. The reason is very simple. The UN's regional peace-keeping force , UNIFIL, does not have a legal mandate to enter villages without Lebanese Army escort. think I'm joking? Here is the link:

[Link: www.jpost.com...]


Why would Hezbollah take up positions on various heights in Southern Lebanon? That is the first rule of Military doctrine. When you control the high ground, you control the area. It is that simple.


Here is a link dump on Hezbollah activity in the area:
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
[Link: www.debka.com...]
[Link: www.timesonline.co.uk...]
[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]
[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]
[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

What can hezbollah do with all the territory they now control? How about continuing to fire missiles into Israel?

Information on Hezbollah's missile arsenal:
[Link: jamestown.org...]

to be continued

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

— Marcus Aurelius

Thanks for that great quote, Charles -- it is so applicable to my experience! I think i just converted to Stoicism, abandoning by Epicurean faith.

/Damn those accursed Epicureans! Damn them to Hell!

Part 2

You may be asking how all of this Hezbollah activity can happen right under the nose of the Lebanese government? Well, that is because Hezbollah pretty much tells the government what to do:
[Link: www.washingtoninstitute.org...]
[Link: www.analyst-network.com...]
[Link: israelmatzav.blogspot.com...]

Now here is where it gets really scary for Israel and the region. If a major terror group taking over large areas of territory isn't bad enough,let's throw possible use of Biological weapons into the mix:
[Link: www.newenglishreview.org...]

Is there any good news to mention? It doesn't look like it.
To wrap up, it looks like Hezbollah is moving into Southern Lebanon in force. They are building positions on key area heights and moving into many villages. They are a group that wants to wipe Israel off the map. There will be another conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. But this time it will be way bloodier than in 2006.

re: #46 chicagodudewhotrades

to be continued

oh ,,, goody !

For those of you who read science blogs there's a tedious survey you can take (you can register to win an iPhone if you want). I took the survey just to write in LGF among the other blogs I read and to include left wing politics among the things I like least about Science blogs.

re: #44 Killgore Trout

That the whole point. We could then redistribute the wealth and live in harmony with mother earth. They are serious about it.

I know it's never worked before anywhere else, but we're so much smarter and more caring. It'll work if WE do it.

/s

re: #20 vxbush

My husband thought he heard that the price of our gasoline is being subsidized by higher prices on jet fuel. Does anyone have any pointers to prove this? I'm dubious.

I think the price of Diesel is subsidizing gasoline. Diesel used to be the CHEAPER fuel. Now the percentage of gasoline versus Diesel made from a barrel of oil is higher, but not much.

re: #1 Ojoe
Would you prefer the Ein Volk, Eine Welt, Ein Fuhrer Obambi APPROACH?

Obama car not in the race as far as I can tell
# 49 Bam car, Ken Schrader no in this race.
unless he got on another car..
they DNQed
lets hope that's a sign..

Hoffmonster

re: #31 Shay4l

Well, the last I heard, the price of a barrel of oil was about $125. Since barrels are 42 gallons, I believe, that means $2.97 a gallon just for the oil, never mind refining and transportation and taxes.

So, I'd say the price is not the result of any subsidies for air travel, really.

Actually, one of those odd things about chemistry and volumes, a 42 gallon barrel of crude actually makes more than 42 gallons of product. There is about a 10 to 12% volume expansion in that the chemical make-up of the components takes up more volume. However about 5% of the barrel is consumed to make the energy to refine the rest. So a barrel of crude, and this can depend on the mix of products makes about 45 gallons of product.

abandoning by Epicurean faith = abandoning my Epicurean faith.

Sheesh.

And sorry for interrupting your two-part post, chicagodudewhotrades!

No. 20: 'My husband thought he heard that the price of our gasoline is being subsidized by higher prices on jet fuel. Does anyone have any pointers to prove this? I'm dubious.'

I'm really interested in this story. Does your husband have any more details?

(I said 'interested,' not 'believe it.)

The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.

— Marcus Aurelius

Of course it really, really, REALLY helps when the majority is sane.

Oppression!
Council ban on atheist websites

A city council has blocked its staff from looking at websites about atheism.

Lawyers at the National Secular Society said the move by Birmingham City Council was "discriminatory" and they would consider legal action.

The rules also ban sites that promote witchcraft, the paranormal, sexual deviancy and criminal activity.

Nice company they lump in with the atheists.

re: #52 right_on_target

I think the price of Diesel is subsidizing gasoline. Diesel used to be the CHEAPER fuel. Now the percentage of gasoline versus Diesel made from a barrel of oil is higher, but not much.

Refining Capacity/ Demand

Thanks to the Eco's insistance that we use ethanol more, there is more demand for CORN. Corn means FARMS. FARMS means FarmTractors and equipment, most powered ny (drum roll)

DIESEL!

AND ,, as an added extra bonus, because corn is now in more demand the prices of lots of FOOD products go up!

ok: question: who would "+" an open thread, and why?

re: #62 noshariaincanada

ok: question: who would "+" an open thread, and why?

Why not?

re: #62 noshariaincanada

ok: question: who would "+" an open thread, and why?

most likely the QUOTE was "+"d ,,, not the open thread

Crap. Dog needs walking and it's 106 degrees out.

Later Lizards.

Interesting talk with DishTV rep just now. Wife is buying a bigscreen HDTV for our anniversary. So I checked to see what HD programming will cost.

First, they use a different dish than the two I currently have. They're going to charge $100 to bring a new dish out and install it. They'll also bring a new box for us and hook it up to the TV.

Then they charge $7/mo. for the box.

And $20/mo. for the programming.

All in addition to the charges I'm currently paying.

I don't think I'll be buying HD programming soon. Those goobers have already taken 3 separate trips to get the current dishes pointed correctly. I shudder to think how many trips this would take.

re: #62 noshariaincanada

Cause I can?

re: #31 Shay4l

Well, the last I heard, the price of a barrel of oil was about $125. Since barrels are 42 gallons, I believe, that means $2.97 a gallon just for the oil, never mind refining and transportation and taxes.

So, I'd say the price is not the result of any subsidies for air travel, really.

55 gallons.

re: #8 Killgore Trout

I don't go there anymore...way too many pop ups and ads. Hmmm, wonder why?

re: #55 Big Steve

Actually, one of those odd things about chemistry and volumes, a 42 gallon barrel of crude actually makes more than 42 gallons of product. There is about a 10 to 12% volume expansion in that the chemical make-up of the components takes up more volume. However about 5% of the barrel is consumed to make the energy to refine the rest. So a barrel of crude, and this can depend on the mix of products makes about 45 gallons of product.

I knew I was going to get something wrong in that post! I just hoped it was close...

re: #65 Shay4l

open door, eject dog, reopen door in 20 minutes! Voila!

re: #64 sattv4u2

good hypothesis.

re: #56 zombie

Zombie, no problem. I have a question for you. Do you eat anything before you go to those San Fran street fairs to document them? I think I'd be puking if I saw in person some of the things you snapped pix of. You are hardcore.

re: #67 BignJames

Cause I can?

you could also do a lot of other things, which I won't get into.

re: #52 right_on_target

I think the price of Diesel is subsidizing gasoline. Diesel used to be the CHEAPER fuel. Now the percentage of gasoline versus Diesel made from a barrel of oil is higher, but not much.

Nope. Diesel is higher now because now there are new laws in effect demanding lower sulphur content diesel. Part of the environment laws protecting your lungs.

re: #68 The Other Les

55 gallons.

Barrel of oil. Not barrel of everything else.

re: #73 noshariaincanada

good hypothesis.

it's not a hypothesis,,, it's reality

re: #47 zombie

Thanks for that great quote, Charles -- it is so applicable to my experience! I think i just converted to Stoicism, abandoning by Epicurean faith.

/Damn those accursed Epicureans! Damn them to Hell!

Dude/Dudette/Whatever, the Statue of Liberty is on the East Coast...

re: #61 sattv4u2

Refining Capacity/ Demand

Thanks to the Eco's insistence that we use ethanol more, there is more demand for CORN. Corn means FARMS. FARMS means FarmTractors and equipment, most powered ny (drum roll)

DIESEL!

AND ,, as an added extra bonus, because corn is now in more demand the prices of lots of FOOD products go up!

Well darnit, it's just an unintended consequence, so heck, they mean well and all.

re: #62 noshariaincanada

ok: question: who would "+" an open thread, and why?

It's the dinger in the room.

re: #7 Ojoe

Another Obama Shakespear application is the tail told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

There's also, "Ah Cassius, thou lean and hungry man. Up yours with a two by four, sideways!"

re: #52 right_on_target

I think the price of Diesel is subsidizing gasoline. Diesel used to be the CHEAPER fuel. Now the percentage of gasoline versus Diesel made from a barrel of oil is higher, but not much.

The relative value of the various products that refineries can turn out is fairly complex and most oil companies have hordes of engineers/finance types that do this math daily. Refineries with a fair degree of swing on what they can product take advantage of this. To figure out if one product or another is making more money you have to obviously know the spot price but you have to know the density of the material, the relative costs to produce, and a few other factors. At present, meaning literally this week, the highest margin out of refinery products is chemical feeds such as propylene and benzene. Chemical feedstocks have ballooned up and have yet to really tip over as crude has come down. This can change quickly almost day to day. One thing to consider is that for various refinery feeds there are huge market forces at play. Rarely is one product 'subsidizing' another because there is no mechanism to do this.

re: #80 debutaunt

bingo,,,

affirmative action
welfare
free child care
free health care
food stamps
social security

ALL ideas that had "good intentions" !

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Koskidz describe a progressive utopia...
Gasoline should be $15, $20 a gallon

People don't understand that Pelosi and the Democrats pursue the energy policy they do because they think EXACTLY like this. They dream up these goofy analyses to claim the "true price" in order to attack the largest agents of capitalism: oil companies, and big business in general. They're socialists, plain and simple, but they try to hide it. Obama has hinted at the same thing as these guys. He said his only problem with $4 gasoline was that it went up too quickly, thereby stessing the economy.

Maybe this little Republican "revolt" they've got started means that they finally, FINALLY get it! That the first and foremost love affair of most Americans, is the one they have with their car! That Pelosi is saying "Screw you, peons - it's about time you rode the bus!" That Obama - despite trying to make it sound otherwise - remains firmly against drilling offshore. They should be eating the Democrats alive with this issue - it's front and center on EVERYONE's mind.

re: #71 Shay4l

It is pretty esoteric...you are pretty close though.

Howdy All,

I'll be right with ya. Tryin' to catch up.

re: #80 debutaunt

Well darnit, it's just an unintended consequence, so heck, they mean well and all.

Check out the 'dead zone' in the Gulf of Mexico. More corn means more pesticides. More pesticides mean more pesticide runoff. More runoff means more stuff flowing down the Mississippi River to the Gulf. Sooo, bigger dead zone in the Gulf.

Good job, Greenies.

re: #62 noshariaincanada
Because they like open threads? I like them and will go and + it now, thanks for the reminder.

As much as I admire some of stoic philosophy, I can't separate it from Marcus Aurelius's persecution of Christians. During his reign, St. Polycarp was killed at Smyrna. Others were killed in Lyons. And my favorite, Justin, was martyred in Rome. Good men, all of them. In that context, stoicism seems a convenient philosophical holiday. Just my .02.

House Republicans are going back to work on Monday! Yay!

re: #88 razorbacker

Check out the 'dead zone' in the Gulf of Mexico. More corn means more pesticides. More pesticides mean more pesticide runoff. More runoff means more stuff flowing down the Mississippi River to the Gulf. Sooo, bigger dead zone in the Gulf.

Good job, Greenies.

It was even better when they convinced the UN that using pesticides on farms in Africa was a bad idea. Up till that time, MALARIA, carried by mosquitoes, was almost non-existant. Since the pesticide ban, it has made a grand comeback !

re: #4 Macker

I wonder how Obama's car is doing at Pocono?

Sputtering...the teleprompter shot craps.

re: #90 godfrey

As much as I admire some of stoic philosophy, I can't separate it from Marcus Aurelius's persecution of Christians. During his reign, St. Polycarp was killed at Smyrna. Others were killed in Lyons. And my favorite, Justin, was martyred in Rome. Good men, all of them. In that context, stoicism seems a convenient philosophical holiday. Just my .02.

I have a friend who says he is a 'frisbeetarian'. He believes that when you die your soul goes on the roof and you can't get it down.

I showed my wife an article about the Republican revolt, and she was shocked she hadn't heard about it. She figured the media would have been all over political drama like that. Like most people, she's still pretty much in the dark about the true nature of her sources of information (but I think she's learning).

So here's a story that most of you would be shocked at not hearing about! Would you think I was smoking dope if I told you that the median price of a house has gone up almost 10% since February? There's a few other reality-checks in this same article, written by a guy who, IMHO, is the most brilliant financial writer there is today. He's a regular on Kudlow, too. It blew my mind:

[Link: www.smartmoney.com...]

re: #91 Fat Jolly Penguin

House Republicans are going back to work on Monday! Yay!

Good, I was annoyed that they stopped the protest so quickly, especially with the momentum they picked up in just a couple of hours.

re: #88 razorbacker

Check out the 'dead zone' in the Gulf of Mexico. More corn means more pesticides. More pesticides mean more pesticide runoff. More runoff means more stuff flowing down the Mississippi River to the Gulf. Sooo, bigger dead zone in the Gulf.

Good job, Greenies.

From page 17 of ECONOMICS IN ONE LESSON by Henry Hazlitt:

"From this aspect, therefore, the whole of economics can be reduced to a single lesson, and that lesson can be reduced to a single sentence.

The art of economics consists in looking not merely at the immediate but at the longer effects of any act or policy; it consists in tracing the consequences of that policy not merely for one group but for all groups.

"

Needless to say Democrats never practice real economics.

re: #58 The Other Les

Of course it really, really, REALLY helps when the majority is sane.

The majority IS sane. Just very, very stupid.

re: #94 Big Steve

I have a friend who says he is a 'frisbeetarian'. He believes that when you die your soul goes on the roof and you can't get it down.

They are a fun group.

re: #91 Fat Jolly Penguin
i hope it brings it to others attention, and i hope it starts discourse with lefts real ideals about gas/oil. energy, compromising our safety by funding countries that could pull the rug out from us at any time. and such.

re: #99 debutaunt

They are a fun group.

good spin

re: #96 livefreeor die

Good, I was annoyed that they stopped the protest so quickly, especially with the momentum they picked up in just a couple of hours.

We need to continue to get the message to these guys.

THE ERA OF POLITICS AS USUAL IS OVER!

printed a bunch of NO! bama stickers
now am printing in hebrew NO OBAMA

also printed a number of nationalist and right wing israeli stickers as well.

re: #95 Optimizer

This kind of stuff is messing up the depression.

re: #94 Big Steve

I have a friend who says he is a 'frisbeetarian'. He believes that when you die your soul goes on the roof and you can't get it down.

Heh. Did that a few times. Didn't get philosophical about it, though...

re: #98 M. Bensson-Levi

The majority IS sane. Just very, very stupid.

Grossly misinformed.

re: #101 sattv4u2

good spin

You scamp.

re: #57 f451

No. 20: 'My husband thought he heard that the price of our gasoline is being subsidized by higher prices on jet fuel. Does anyone have any pointers to prove this? I'm dubious.'

I'm really interested in this story. Does your husband have any more details?

(I said 'interested,' not 'believe it.)

Sorry, was offline for a bit longer than anticipated:

No, he gave me no pointers on this. If I were to guess, I'd think Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity was his source, but this is totally a guess.

From the previous thread.

“He was a man, take him for all in all,
I shall not look upon his like again.”

~ William Shakespeare : Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 2

( Hamlet to Horatio, about his dead father )

Alexander Solzhenitsyn has passed away at the age of 89.

Russian Nobel winner Solzhenitsyn dead

Rest in peace.

We shall not see his like again.

I heard that, under Obama's shirt, there are no nipples, there is only more hope.

re: #68 The Other Les

55 gallons.

Not so ma'am. 55 gallons is standard EXCEPT for oil, where 42 gallons is the accepted norm.

I could be wrong, cause I'm half lit, but I think it's so.

eh, archipelego gulag

re: #110 DaChew

I heard that, under Obama's shirt, there are no nipples, there is only more hope.

but there are some sword wounds

re: #113 sattv4u2

but there are some sword wounds

I thought those were caused by Hillary's fingernails.

re: #109 RedPepper

From the previous thread.

“He was a man, take him for all in all,
I shall not look upon his like again.”

~ William Shakespeare : Hamlet, Act 1, Scene 2

( Hamlet to Horatio, about his dead father )

Alexander Solzhenitsyn has passed away at the age of 89.

Russian Nobel winner Solzhenitsyn dead

Rest in peace.

We shall not see his like again.

I can't even imagine what he endured on earth. God rest his soul.

re: #114 Tigger2005

I thought those were caused by Hillary's fingernails.

no ,, those are in his palms and feet

re: #115 buzzsawmonkey
from the oil in our food to the oil in our furnace, mean spirited aren't they.

re: #95 Optimizer

So here's a story that most of you would be shocked at not hearing about! Would you think I was smoking dope if I told you that the median price of a house has gone up almost 10% since February? There's a few other reality-checks in this same article, written by a guy who, IMHO, is the most brilliant financial writer there is today. He's a regular on Kudlow, too. It blew my mind:

[Link: www.smartmoney.com...]

Am I surprised at the data? Yes. Am I surprised that this data has been hidden by the MSM? Not at all.

re: #119 buzzsawmonkey
uh hmm

Hail and well met all.

I know this is Sunday for most of you but it's my Friday. Your week start is my weekend.

Speaking of weekends; Labor Day is approaching at breakneck speed, at least for most of us. When choosing your menus for this celebration of American labor you might want to consider this.

re: #111 M. Bensson-Levi

Not so ma'am. 55 gallons is standard EXCEPT for oil, where 42 gallons is the accepted norm.

I could be wrong, cause I'm half lit, but I think it's so.

You are wrong, but not on the subject of barrels. (Hint: Look at the icon.)

Americans need to drill more oil on American territory because:

Its better for the environment.
You don't really think those wells in the Middle East and Africa are operated in an environmentally safe way do you?

It creates American jobs.
More jobs for Americans means more Americans spending money here. Does Dubai need an indoor ski slope in the desert?

Good for the economy.
More oil produced "locally" means lower prices for Americans (actually everyone benefits). Less money spent on gasoline means more money to spend paying off that fat mortgage.

American security.
Fewer American dollars flowing into the middle east means fewer dollar funded terrorists. Let the terrorists buy guns with Yen. The next time OPEC is pissed and reduces output the Chinese will have to bargain with them.

re: #95 Optimizer

re: #120 vxbush

If you want to find what your home (or anyone elses, for that matter) is worth, go here

[Link: www.zillow.com...]

just type in the address and let the games begin

re: #92 sattv4u2

It was even better when they convinced the UN that using pesticides on farms in Africa was a bad idea. Up till that time, MALARIA, carried by mosquitoes, was almost non-existant. Since the pesticide ban, it has made a grand comeback !

You are excruciatingly correct! RACHEL CARSON is responsible for the deaths of literally MILLIONS when "Silent Spring", a hoax, caused the use of DDT to be discontinued.

Moonbats. Killing with kindness!

re: #124 Racer X
well said.

re: #95 Optimizer

There's a few other reality-checks in this same article, written by a guy who, IMHO, is the most brilliant financial writer there is today. He's a regular on Kudlow, too. It blew my mind:

[Link: www.smartmoney.com...]

To quote a great Ahmurrican, "Who ya gonna believe Beeyotch, me or yer lying eyes?"

You know, even though it is over 100, it's not so bad. walking in the shade, I don't even sweat since the humidity is so low. I guess it's the dues we pay for having such a grand climate for 8 months out of the year.

The dog likes to go out on the back deck and lie in the sun, for some reason. Maybe he doesn't care he's wearing a fur coat in summer.

re: #124 Racer X

drill here, drill now, pay less

re: #108 vxbush

Sorry, was offline for a bit longer than anticipated:

No, he gave me no pointers on this. If I were to guess, I'd think Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity was his source, but this is totally a guess.

I try to follow the energy industry as much as I can. I'd never heard this before, and it sounds a bit odd to me. Just for starters, 10 times a much oil is used for gasoline as for jet fuel, so every extra dollar per gallon would only effect gasoline by 10 cents. Beyond that, I doubt there's any kind of artificial mechanism to connect the pricing of the two, so the idea is likely bogus.

I try to catch Glenn Beck, but could have missed it if it was there. I can't stand Hannity, and never watch it.

PS - The military has a program to start making jet fuel from coal, for national security reasons. We ought to be doing a LOT more of that, but the eco-fascists stand in the way. It became economical back when oil hit about $50/bbl.

Kerry was on Meet The Press this morning droning on about how we should no engage in off shore drilling. Then he segues into all of the acres the oil companies have under lease now, but do not drill.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it the current leases are futures that a company loses usually in five years if they do not renew.
They get the right to explore & do not drill unless the tests show probable crude. Have I got that about right?

Wait, if I were actually insane, I wouldn't know it. So, how could I escape?

re: #124 Racer X

Americans need to drill more oil on American territory because:

Its better for the environment.
You don't really think those wells in the Middle East and Africa are operated in an environmentally safe way do you?

It creates American jobs.
More jobs for Americans means more Americans spending money here. Does Dubai need an indoor ski slope in the desert?

Good for the economy.
More oil produced "locally" means lower prices for Americans (actually everyone benefits). Less money spent on gasoline means more money to spend paying off that fat mortgage.

American security.
Fewer American dollars flowing into the middle east means fewer dollar funded terrorists. Let the terrorists buy guns with Yen. The next time OPEC is pissed and reduces output the Chinese will have to bargain with them.

And one more: Shipping oil across the ocean in ships creates greater potential for oil spills than drilling operations and moving oil by pipeline.

re: #122 USBeast

The UNION requested this:

"Union leadership did request and receive Eid al-Fitr (which is apparently spelled various ways including Id al-Fitr and Eid ul-Fitr) as a paid holiday in place of Labor Day," Mickelson told the newspaper.

I hate unions.

Don't blame Tyson for this one.

I'm really getting tired of all the environutz holding US energy policy hostage: Sierra Club, Earth Island Institute, the usual suspects.

The American people need to realize:

BIG GREEN IS RIPPING US OFF!

re: #130 wiffersnapper

drill here, drill now, pay less

Its simple. Even a democrat should be able to understand it, but no.

re: #108 vxbush

Sorry, was offline for a bit longer than anticipated:

No, he gave me no pointers on this. If I were to guess, I'd think Glenn Beck or Sean Hannity was his source, but this is totally a guess.

Glenn Beck is usually pretty good with economics, so I doubt it was him. I don't listen of watch Hannity much anymore... he's all id and little intellect. It sounds like something O'Reilly would say... he's so economically illiterate I don't think he knows how to play 'Monopoly".

re: #123 The Other Les

You are wrong, but not on the subject of barrels. (Hint: Look at the icon.)

Correct. A barrel of oil is 55 gallons. Out of that 55 gallons, you can cook out 42 gallons of standard gasoline. The remainder is diesel or kerosene. Less if you want to go with 93+ octane stuff.

re: #137 Racer X

The UNION requested this:

I hate unions.

Don't blame Tyson for this one.

Sorry, I can't give Tyson a pass on this. They caved. They could have made other arrangements. There was no need to replace the traditional American holiday. This stinks and there will be no Tyson products on my table from here on out.

Fly On A Windshield/Broadway Melody Of 1974

/and as the song and dance begins, the children play at home
with needles; needles and pins!

re: #141 JohnnyReb

Correct. A barrel of oil is 55 gallons. Out of that 55 gallons, you can cook out 42 gallons of standard gasoline. The remainder is diesel or kerosene. Less if you want to go with 93+ octane stuff.

wrong. The oil industry barrel is 42 gallons.

The Obama bobsled

Downhill all the way

re: #132 opnion

Kerry was on Meet The Press this morning droning on about how we should no engage in off shore drilling. Then he segues into all of the acres the oil companies have under lease now, but do not drill.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it the current leases are futures that a company loses usually in five years if they do not renew.
They get the right to explore & do not drill unless the tests show probable crude. Have I got that about right?

In a word, CORRECT. Think of it this way. You know that somewhere in my basement there is one suitcase filled with hundred dollar bills, and there are also many wallets with as much as 10 singles in them. What you obviously want to do is find the suitcase. What you do is lease my entire basement until you find and extract that suitcase.

re: #132 opnion

Big oil companies are not stupid. They drill where they think they can get oil for the cheapest production costs.

K2 CLIMBERS many ( 9-12) lost.

29% of all K2 climbers die climbing the mountain.
I never was a big mountain climbing fan but I must
pay my respects to those brave enough to try.
I'm not sure I would. Very bad odds if you ask me.
Pete

re: #133 buzzsawmonkey

Ah, but there won't be more pesticides when the farmers go back to organic farming, as there is increasing pressure to do.

That organic farming means more work for lower (and therefore more expensive) yields matters not; it is the principle that counts.

I am not a farmer, nor a tractor driver, nor have I spent the last night in a Holiday Inn Express, but...Why not instead of plowing your furrows from one end of the field to the other don't farmers plow by starting at one side of the field, plow to the other side, turn right (or left) still plowing down the third side then continue in such a fashion as to form a roughly spiral shape. Wouldn't that lessen runoff?

I know modern practice is not the olden days practice of ridgidly straight lines, but contour plowing. Isn't this just a logical extension?

Not to mention, during deer season and harvest never mind that.

re: #109 RedPepper

Geez - I didn't realize he was still alive! I had to read one of his books in High School, when I took Russian. "A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovitch", I think (spelled incorrectly, I'm sure).

All I remember was a scene where they were in a gulag building a building in Siberia somewhere. They had to place the mortar quickly enough so it wouldn't freeze too soon. And there was this discussion where some ignorant inmate marvelled at how powerful the state was, because they could control what time the Sun would be highest in the sky (via something like Daylight Savings, of course). I wish I remembered more.

re: #142 USBeast

More for me!

;-)

re: #106 The Other Les

Grossly misinformed.

In our day and age only the lazy are misinformed, the stupid. You're a kind and good hearted person, and I fully understand your desire to give some slack to the non-knowledgeable, but neither you, nor I are "grossly misinformed", and that was so BEFORE we were on the net, and neither of us are geniuses.

The only answer for much of human activity is stupidity, despite your kind view of humanity.

BTW, sorry to have heard that you were disabled. Hope that you suffer little. Dumb statement, but you know what I mean.

Keep the Faith.

re: #53 grumpy old codger

No, I would prefer

Air races

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

But the caribou! The caribou!

Where are they? What's happened to them?

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

most inner city transport systems now use liguid natural gas busses

re: #141 JohnnyReb

U.S. Customary System: Volume or Capacity (Liquid Measure)

barrel
(wine) 31 1/2 gallons 119.24 liters
(beer) 36 gallons 136.27 liters
(oil) 42 gallons 158.98 liters

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

i would say ignorent most of the liberal elite would not go anywere near a bus the northwestern u. chatting class all ride in SUV'S and the like.

re: #144 Big Steve

This is correct and by the way 2 gallons is assumed to evaporate!
Standard Oil 1930

re: #103 yochanan

printed a bunch of NO! bama stickers
now am printing in hebrew NO OBAMA

also printed a number of nationalist and right wing israeli stickers as well.

Yochanan, if you don't mind my asking, where in Israel are you?

I want to go to Israel someday, time and money permitting.

re: #156 sattv4u2
chicago has buses that are 30 years old doubt the old ones us natural gas.

re: #141 JohnnyReb

Correct. A barrel of oil is 55 gallons. Out of that 55 gallons, you can cook out 42 gallons of standard gasoline. The remainder is diesel or kerosene. Less if you want to go with 93+ octane stuff.

From the API
American Petroleum Institute
Oil Pamphlet - 36 pages

re: #160 Colonel Panik

i am in chicago one of my sons lives outside of jerusalem.

re: #123 The Other Les

You are wrong, but not on the subject of barrels. (Hint: Look at the icon.)

I've tried everything. You've lost me completely. Elucidate. For a simpleton, mind you.

OT (but it's an open thread...)

Sorry to post and dash, but I'm about to hit the hay here in London, 3 more days on this current business trip, and I have to say I have seen far fewer keffiyehs (sp?) on the streets of the 'yutes' than I did my previous two trips (both in 2007. Now, most of the girls are wearing cute little summer outfits and showing lots of flesh, but I expected to see more of them on the guys...

Maybe its a good sign, a small one, but a good one.

Night all, and thanks for the Shakespeare quotes. I'm reminded of another one when I think of Our Most High and Exalted Lord Obama, this one from Macbeth:

Obama's but a walking shadow, a poor player that struts and frets his hour upon the stage and then is heard no more. He is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

Wiki Oil

The answer is 42.

re: #154 Ojoe

No, I would prefer

Air races

The Reno Air Races a a thrill every gearhead should experience at least once.
There's nothing like the sound of the Merlin engine.

Those are AT-6's (Navy and Marines called them SNJ's) My dad taught flight school in Pensacola in those in the early 60's after his first TOD in 'Nam.

The Japanese Zeros in "Tora Tora Tora" were AT-6's with control surfaces modified to make them look like a Zero.

re: #123 The Other Les

You are wrong, but not on the subject of barrels. (Hint: Look at the icon.)

You mean you're the other kind of "Other Les"? ;-)

re: #162 right_on_target

From the API
American Petroleum Institute
Oil Pamphlet - 36 pages

I stand corrected.

re: #153 M. Bensson-Levi

Thank you. I got better.

re: #164 M. Bensson-Levi

Erm. This Les ain't female, either.

re: #164 M. Bensson-Levi

I've tried everything. You've lost me completely. Elucidate. For a simpleton, mind you.

You addressed me as Ma'am. This is incorrect.

Yankees Win- THEEE YANKEES WIN! Nice double comeback 14-9 win over the Angels. On the road to broiling Texas now- owch. 100+ degrees.
Gas down to $3.96 gal here. Good to see. Shark for dinner tonight.

re: #157 Big Steve

Beer is 31gals/bbl

re: #148 buzzsawmonkey

Here is a photo of an old Los Angeles trolley car ("RedCar")

LA now has an expanding electric train called Metrolink:

Metrolink - busier these days

re: #163 yochanan

i am in chicago one of my sons lives outside of jerusalem.

Ah, for some reason other than your avatar I thought you were in Israel, maybe you had posted to LGF while visiting and mentioned it in a post?

Chicago...dang, that's Obamahdi country!

re: #165 GOP Goalie

I've noticed a decline in headscarves and burkas in London since 7/7.

I could use some help. I am concerned about a site called
muslimrevolution dot com It is discussed here. whois says they
use domains by proxy. traceroute craps out after it hops to
secureserver dot net. Are there any techies that can help.

re: #175 BignJames

Beer is 31gals/bbl

Well, c'mon, everyone knows that.

re: #152 Racer X

More for me!

;-)

Enjoy.

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

SanFranFreakshow has the Muni which are electrical trolleys but they run on a track IIRC.

re: #167 Colonel Panik

When gasoline is rare it will be saved for things like air races, IMHO, 'cause most people are not stupid.

re: #177 Colonel Panik

Chicago...dang, that's Obamahdi country!

Hey now! folks can make the ocassional mistake

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

snow and ice storms tended to drop the over head cables

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

feasability,,, walk around the city (along bus routes) Do you see many power poles?

safety,, in an urban area, if one of those poles was to get hit and fall on the street, how many people would be close enough to live wires before they were shot down.

electric burden,,, think NYC, mid summer, A/C units cranked to the max ,, ever have brown outs? (I know you do!) All at once, every "electric bus" would stop dead in its tracks (THAT would help traffic flow , huh !)

re: #179 SR_guy

I could use some help. I am concerned about a site called
muslimrevolution dot com It is discussed here. whois says they
use domains by proxy. traceroute craps out after it hops to
secureserver dot net. Are there any techies that can help.

I would bring it to the attention of Aaron at InternetHaganah or Rusty at JawaReport .

re: #180 Racer X

!/2bbl (keg) is 15.5 gals ...1/4bbl (pony keg ) is 7.75 gals

re: #171 buzzsawmonkey

The buses in NYC say on their sides that they are "energy-saving hybrids," which to me would indicate that they are not powered by natural gas.

But as a general question, I ask: what is such a bad idea about having electrically-powered buses served by a cable system? These things worked perfectly well in American cities for 75 years or so. Why are we trying to find a "new technology" when this one is proven?

GOOD POINT!

I miss the Freret, St Claude, and Magazine St trolley bus lines! No stinking Diesel fumes and quiet too. Those buses were also LOW maintenance I have heard.

New Orleans lines for those who wonder where.

Fruits of the Loon: Pakistani terrorists avoid searches by wearing exploding
underpants.

re: #190 Paul

Fruits of the Loon: Pakistani terrorists avoid searches by wearing exploding
underpants.

One can only hope they get a rash

of work accidents

re: #157 Big Steve

U.S. Customary System: Volume or Capacity (Liquid Measure)

barrel
(wine) 31 1/2 gallons 119.24 liters
(beer) 36 gallons 136.27 liters
(oil) 42 gallons 158.98 liters

So that's why a pony keg is so darned small.

I think the best hybrid solution for buses is the thing Oshkosh is building for the army. A diesel engine that runs at constant RPM for best fuel efficiency powering an electric generator that runs electric motors to drive the vehicle and charges a bank of ultracapacitors for dumping power to the EMs for quick acceleration.

re: #190 Paul

Fruits of the Loon: Pakistani terrorists avoid searches by wearing exploding
underpants.

I used to have that problem too. Then I got a steady girlfriend...

re: #170 The Other Les

Thank you. I got better.

Good. Thank G-d. :-)

re: #193 Colonel Panik

I think the best hybrid solution for buses is the thing Oshkosh is building for the army. A diesel engine that runs at constant RPM for best fuel efficiency powering an electric generator that runs electric motors to drive the vehicle and charges a bank of ultracapacitors for dumping power to the EMs for quick acceleration.

Sorta like a locomotive, huh?

Haha Good quote Charles!

re: #159 NortonPete

This is correct and by the way 2 gallons is assumed to evaporate!
Standard Oil 1930

maybe in 1930 but no friggin way today is there a 4% loss to evaporation. The pollution concerns alone would be prohibitive. Like the old stories of butchered pigs where everything but the squeal is used, same in the crude business. There is volume expansion to make the products due to density changes and some loss due to some of the crude being burned for energy to refine the rest. But a 42 gallon barrel, today, makes about 45 gallons of product.

re: #196 razorbacker

Sorta like a locomotive, huh?

Exactly like a rubber wheeled locomotive.

re: #192 razorbacker

So that's why a pony keg is so darned small.

My dad used to joke that the women when he was young had breasts the size of pony kegs...maybe with plastic surgery these days we should up this to the size of kegs of oil!

re: #172 razorbacker

Erm. This Les ain't female, either.

OK. Take advantage of a befuddled, half lit nit wit. WHAT are you sayin'?

re: #124 Racer X

Now you're just talking crazy! How dare you suggest we spoil the pristine ocean floor!

But seriously, the "stop funding terrorists" part of the argument doesn't work for me. If we don't buy their oil, someone else will. They have the stuff, it's worth money, and some of it gets to terroists. The only thing we could do about it is invade (not that I'm suggesting that). Buying our oil elsewhere wouldn't change anything, and our producing more for ourselves would probably only change the price a little.

The best arguments aren't even on your list. Number one should be that it's a matter of national security that our economy not depend on unstable foreign countries. Even McCain "gets" that. The other best reasons have to do with general principles like "it's a free country - or at least it should be".

I think the writers at American Thinker are getting some inspiration from zombie!

Zombie - post there too!

A photo essay entitled:
Why the Left is Unpatriotic and Why the Right Should Say So

rivals the ever-popular Zombie!

Kerosene
Kerosene is widely used to power jet-engined aircraft, but is also commonly used as a heating fuel.

Kerosene is widely used in Japan as a home heating fuel for portable and installed kerosene heaters. In Japan, kerosene can be readily bought at any filling station or be delivered to homes.

In the United Kingdom and Ireland kerosene is often used as a heating fuel in areas that are unconnected to the gas pipeline network. It is used less for cooking, which has more commonly been LPG for some decades now, owing to its easier lighting.

The Amish, who limit use of electric appliances for religious reasons, rely on kerosene for lighting and often purchase kerosene-powered versions of appliances such as refrigerators.

re: #173 The Other Les

You addressed me as Ma'am. This is incorrect.

Wow, Where'd I get that wrong? Sorry, SIR.

Corrected, but of course, it makes no real difference. A barrel of oil is still 42 gallons, and I'm still happy that you've recovered from your disability. Now I just don't have to be as polite as I would to a woman, sexist that I am. :-)

Ya all yall remember the Dems talking point about GW in '04?

NO GRAVITAS!

What in the name of G-d is YoMamas' gravitas?
Please explain his 'bona fides'

I'm confused!

Maybe I just be i'norant

re: #141 JohnnyReb

Correct. A barrel of oil is 55 gallons. Out of that 55 gallons, you can cook out 42 gallons of standard gasoline. The remainder is diesel or kerosene. Less if you want to go with 93+ octane stuff.

Sorry, but, The standard oil barrel of 42 US gallons (159 L)

a drum is 55 US gallons.

re: #203 Crimsonfisted

they used to hang anarchists JOE HILL got what he deserved.

re: #129 Shay4l

You know, even though it is over 100, it's not so bad. walking in the shade, I don't even sweat since the humidity is so low. I guess it's the dues we pay for having such a grand climate for 8 months out of the year.

The dog likes to go out on the back deck and lie in the sun, for some reason. Maybe he doesn't care he's wearing a fur coat in summer.

It's never been over 100 here. In winter, it usually doesn't dip below 0 (as a low) more than a couple of times. We get no hurricanes, earthquakes, major flooding, brush fires, or mudslides. The occasional tornado is a joke - it takes a week to figure out if it actually happened. The places that DO have these things are called "paradise", while this area is known mostly for it's "bad" weather.

It's a very pleasant 74F, low humidity, and sunny here right now. Can anybody beat that?

re: #203 Crimsonfisted

Comment from rnw:

I am a first generation American.
When I was at UC Berkely, many of my fellow immigrant student would talk about why so many Americans hate America.

We felt that these people who hate America were very naive. That they had never suffered. They have never felt hunger or fear.

If America is as bad as they say, the police would have already come to their house and taken them away.

This may not sound so nice. But I would rather give citizenship to an immigrant who works hard and loves America than to traitors who are born here.

Word.

Here's a loving attempt by the press to make Barry Obama seem more like...Ronald Reagan.

another Pro-Barack press rant

Yes folks, that's a new one to me.

re: #210 Optimizer

so were is this place anyway

re: #208 steve

Well, maybe one of those big bass drums. But you'll never convince me that the Little Drummer Boy carries around a 55 gallon drum.

forgot to add...I guess Chuck (the loving columnist) doesn't consider being Governor of California to be any sort of, ah, "experience".

Thinking about converting my truck to dual fuel. Propane and gasoline. Cost is $1465.00 for a complete PROPANE (LPG) conversion kit less tank.

[Link: www.hendrixsystems.com...]

re: #212 Orangutan

Here's a loving attempt by the press to make Barry Obama seem more like...Ronald Reagan.

another Pro-Barack press rant

Yes folks, that's a new one to me.

Believe it or not there is actually such a ting as a honest used car salesman.

But I think he's retied now.

re: #176 Ojoe

Here is a photo of an old Los Angeles trolley car ("RedCar")

LA now has an expanding electric train called Metrolink:

Metrolink - busier these days

The "Red Car", which was featured in "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" was bought up and dismantled by a conglomerate of General Motors, Firestone Tires, and Standard Oil. After 20 years of litigation these firms were found guilty of conspiring to destroy the public transit system in order to sell more cars, tires, and gasoline. They paid the maximum penalty, $5,000 each.

Amazing, huh?

re: #214 razorbacker

Well, maybe one of those big bass drums. But you'll never convince me that the Little Drummer Boy carries around a 55 gallon drum.

I think that it is the Kettle Drum that is 55 gallons and the Snare is about 5 gallons. The Little Drummer Boy has about 25 gallons, give or take a liter or two.

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

The buses looked like buses, and ran on tires--they just took their power from overhead cables.

I'm aware of that. We had those in my hometown (Everett Mass, just outside of Boston) for YEARS. Ever see on of those poles disengage from the overhead cable? What happens? The driver has to get out of the bus, grab the cable attached to the pole and swing it around until it hooks back on the overhead. And as to those overhead cables. Where do THEY get their power from? Thas what I was alluding too.

re: #217 The Other Les

used cars are ok as long as theres still a factory warranty on the car

re: #218 M. Bensson-Levi

i love that movie

re: #216 steve

Thinking about converting my truck to dual fuel. Propane and gasoline. Cost is $1465.00 for a complete PROPANE (LPG) conversion kit less tank.

Dr Emmett Brown can probably sell you a flux-capacitor system to run off garbage for less money

re: #217 The Other Les

Believe it or not there is actually such a ting as a honest used car salesman.

But I think he's retied now.

My great-grandfather!

However, links like the above remind how stupid I am...there are things these liberal press types know that I could not possibly understand.

Nome talmbout?

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

back then rail in the streets made sence as there wasn't as much car and truck trafic. wires overhead with out rail would work though but a electric bus with out the cables might be able to work to. as the problem of blackouts etc are real.

re: #207 Dizzy26

Please explain his 'bona fides'

/he can fly!

re: #205 buzzsawmonkey

The older I get the more I like trolleys & any ground transport that I don't have to drive myself.

The LA red cars went for miles and miles I think you could go from San Bernadino to Laguna Beach or nearly.

I will google a map and find out:

Redlands to Newport Beach !

re: #222 pegcity

i love that movie

One of the best ever made.

I'm caught up! So now there's a new thread. Figures.

re: #218 M. Bensson-Levi

Yes the Red Cars were deliberately dismantled. I grew up in LA and I heard this many times.

One reason I will never register Republican is because the Rs have been the party of big business which has pulled many stunts like this.

I'm stuck with Independent, probably for the rest of my days.

re: #230 M. Bensson-Levi

I peeked. It's a tech thread. All those guys are gonna have tape on one earpiece and a pocket protector.

re: #232 razorbacker

Also, do not forget the paperclip through the hinge point on one of the ear pieces of the glasses.

Been there.

re: #132 opnion

Kerry was on Meet The Press this morning droning on about how we should no engage in off shore drilling. Then he segues into all of the acres the oil companies have under lease now, but do not drill.
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. As I understand it the current leases are futures that a company loses usually in five years if they do not renew.
They get the right to explore & do not drill unless the tests show probable crude. Have I got that about right?

The Left is unbelievably absurd. The idea that an oil company would have the opportunity to drill for oil - and make money on it - but not do so is a commie red herring. If there's oil on those leases that they're not drilling for, I guarantee you that it's because it's not cost-effective to get at, which is to say there is not enough there to justify the expense of drilling for it. I would add that the price of drilling has skyrocketed.

If Chevron, for example, decided to reduce it's production in order to drive up prices, what would happen is that it's competitors who drilled more would make all the money from the increased prices. Their own revenues and profit would suffer, and the CEO would be tossed out in a heartbeat.

Chevron (or even ExxonMobile) isn't even big enough to affect prices to a great extent, anyway. The term "Big Oil" is practically an urban legend. Sure, ExxonMobile is a huge company, but even that monster doesn't amount to a hill of beans in the global oil marketplace.

Kerry's argument is like the joke about giving stuff away for free, but making up for it in volume. These commies thugs will believe anything, if it offers them an excuse to steal from rich people.

re: #232 razorbacker

I peeked. It's a tech thread. All those guys are gonna have tape on one earpiece and a pocket protector.

Yeah. Caught that.

Electric buses or trolleys that travel maybe 50 miles or less a day on their routes could probably be recharged at night when the electricity demand is lower without blowing the grid.

Would make for cleaner air in cities, too.

re: #225 yochanan

back then rail in the streets made sence as there wasn't as much car and truck trafic. wires overhead with out rail would work though but a electric bus with out the cables might be able to work to. as the problem of blackouts etc are real.

The power systems for electric street rail and trolley bus are self contained. Quite often, emergency Diesel generators switch on if a substation gets its power interrupted.

The trolley systems use DC, not your 480/240/120 AC voltages used in home and commercial applications.

In New Orleans the streetcar tracks are in the neutral ground [wide grass median] so they are out of traffic. Years ago it was sometimes quicker to get to work by streetcar than by car.

re: #233 buzzsawmonkey

There are many ignored improvements that need to be applied to the energy independence/clean environment picture.

re: #233 buzzsawmonkey

sorry,, in this day and age, it';s just not practicle

re: #237 Shay4l

Electric buses or trolleys that travel maybe 50 miles or less a day on their routes could probably be recharged at night when the electricity demand is lower without blowing the grid.

Would make for cleaner air in cities, too.

Pardon me? A route that short wobbles the mind. If the route is that short and isn't being run multiple times a day, someone needs to look into it.

re: #227 buzzsawmonkey

As a general comment, I'd like to remind people that while oil spills are nasty and to be avoided if possible, they require cleaning up primarily because they inconvenience us.

Sure, they kill some sea birds and the like. But there is a big difference between killing some marine life (which oil spills do) and wiping out marine life (which oil spills don't do). The planet itself is not bothered; in ten or fifteen or twenty years it would cleanse itself. The spills are a pain in the *ss only because we don't want to wait that long.

So many people are completely unaware of this.

Each time there is a major oil spill, there are dire predictions of terrible consequences; and then a year later, everyone is so very surprised that there the consequences turned out to be virtually nothing.

re: #240 sattv4u2

Actually "Trackless Trolleys" are still here & practical today. (photo from 2005)

re: #245 reine.de.tout

oil leaks from the earth all the time and today more leaks naturally than is spilled by man.

re: #242 buzzsawmonkey

Why?

I laid out three reasons in my #186

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

President Eisenhower's Postmaster General was a former high-ranker at GM.

The New York postal system used to have--believe it or not--an underground system of pneumatic tubes connecting all of the Manhattan branch post offices with the central post office. The system would shoot six-foot canisters full of mail from the central office to the branch offices.

When the new Postmaster General got in, the NY post office suddenly needed a new fleet of (GM) cars to deliver mail from the central post office to the branches. The pneumatic system fell into disuse, and has been largely if not entirely dismantled.

Pneumatic tube mail was popular in many European countries which issued special stamps for its use.

*looks up at other thread*

Javascript minifier

I think I'll hang here on the open thread. At least I can get the size of a barrel of oil correct.

re: #241 buzzsawmonkey

Another black mark for a big corporation.

If they get TOO big they are too much a power unto themselves.

Medium and smaller corporations are better for the country IMHO/

re: #250 right_on_target

they used to have stamps for mail delivered via blimps ie graf zeplin.

re: #231 Ojoe

Yes the Red Cars were deliberately dismantled. I grew up in LA and I heard this many times.

One reason I will never register Republican is because the Rs have been the party of big business which has pulled many stunts like this.

I'm stuck with Independent, probably for the rest of my days.

Hey, I'm a registered Independent! Wouldn't be anything else.

And we're IDIOTS! WE elect the President and everyone else. The Dems and the GOP compete for the national treasury. When one side wins, they take 60%, and give 40% to the losers. And so on. WE, INDEPENDENTS,who elect them, get nothing because we're not influenced by self interest, but the common good, and are completely unorganized, and get absolutely NO PART of the national treasury.

Some dumb Sh*ts we!

re: #253 yochanan

they used to have stamps for mail delivered via blimps ie graf zeplin.

The USA issued four Zeppelin stamps.

re: #248 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, my google fu is not in service today.

Boston's trackless trolleys

This is better.

re: #255 M. Bensson-Levi

Youse guys need to organize and start a party.

Reminds me of a bumper sticker, Join the Anarchists? Huh?

re: #255 M. Bensson-Levi

Ahem, we get our rewards in heaven.

BBL

re: #254 buzzsawmonkey

inner sities are ELIMINATING poles (urban blight,,, maintenance,,, SAFETY) This isn't 1960, where the threat of a car/ bus/ truck knocking down a pole was minimal. This happens DAILY now. There are REASONS all cities and towns are going to underground utilities. Its more cost effective, it's safer, and its easier to expand