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IPT: Gravel Advocates Stalking Al-Arian Prosecutor and Family

Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 1:25:22 pm PDT

Well, we already knew that former Democratic Presidential candidate Mike Gravel is weird, but apparently we didn’t know how weird: Ex-Presidential Candidate Advocates Stalking Prosecutor.

Mike Gravel, a former two-term senator from Alaska and fringe Democratic and Libertarian presidential candidate, urged people to stalk a federal prosecutor and his family in order to get criminal contempt charges dropped against Sami Al-Arian, an exclusive audio tape obtained by the Investigative Project on Terrorism shows.

Gravel, 78, spoke at a forum with Al-Arian’s wife and two of their children Friday evening in Washington, D.C. During his remarks, he focused attention at the prosecutor driving the case (Click the play button to the left to hear the clip):

Gravel: “And so what I would say, if there is somebody within the sound of my voice who has the time to do it, find out where - is it Gordon? Who’s the, what’s his name?”

Audience member: “Gordon Kromberg.”

Gravel: “Find out where he lives. Find out where his office is. If you’ve got some chutzpah - which is a word that you don’t hear often - if you’ve really got it, find out where he lives, find out where his kids go to school, find out where his office is; picket him all the time. Call him a racist in signs if you see him. Call him an injustice. Call him whatever you want to call him, but in his face all the time. They can’t take the heat; deliver it to them. We have to stop laying down to these injustices.”

No one in the crowd of about 70 people challenged Gravel’s remarks; to the contrary, Gravel received an enthusiastic ovation when he finished. The forum was held at Busboys and Poets, a D.C. restaurant that describes itself as a “gathering place where people can discuss issues of social justice and peace.” The owner donated use of his shop for the event.

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1 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:28:10pm
The forum was held at Busboys and Poets

Ugh. Lefty heaven. Bookstore with fawning Che biographies on display, plust trustafarian "avante garde" coffee shop/restaurant. Figures.

2 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:28:48pm
find out where his kids go to school

What a scumbag.

3 joncelli  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:29:11pm

Mike's so far around the bend that he's no longer visible. Time for this clown to go into retirement.

4 Cognito  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:29:20pm

I can't watch the 'Rock' video longer than about three seconds without wanting to claw out my eyes.

5 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:29:35pm

I wonder if this was a CAIR sponsored event.

6 eon  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:30:12pm

Ok, how shall I put this politely?

Oh, yes, I've got it.

Mike Gravel is an imbecile.

cheers

eon

7 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:30:33pm
If you’ve got some chutzpah - which is a word that you don’t hear often

Golly, I wonder what that little throwaway line was supposed to mean. Eh, Mike?

Scumbag.

8 bosforus  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:31:01pm

re: #3 joncelli

Mike's so far around the bend that he's no longer visible. Time for this clown to go into retirement.

Nah, he's just waiting for the oxbow to reconnect.

9 Perry  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:31:21pm
find out where his kids go to school,

That's just evil.

10 Cognito  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:31:31pm

I'm not sure, but it's possible that Gravel actually broke the law, here.

11 jaunte  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:31:54pm

Isn't the act of suggesting to a crowd that someone "find out where an opponent's children go to school" covered by laws against 'criminal threats?'

12 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:32:19pm
"Attempts to intimidate individual federal prosecutors, especially those as respected as Gordon Kromberg, are a particularly noxious form of protest," said Jeff Breinholt, a senior fellow at the International Assessment and Strategy Center who recently returned to the Department of Justice. "In the 1960s, the Black Panthers violently targeted prosecutors and judges as a form of protest. I hope we're not seeing the start of that here."

It's just insanity.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:32:27pm

Weasel.

14 looking closely  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:32:48pm
Gravel: “Find out where he lives. Find out where his office is. If you’ve got some chutzpah - which is a word that you don’t hear often - if you’ve really got it, find out where he lives, find out where his kids go to school, find out where his office is;


Yeah, somebody's got some chutzpah here, that's for sure.

Aren't there criminal charges that can be filed over this sort of incitement?

15 pegcity  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:32:48pm

Democrats, aiding America's enemies since 1948

16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:35:08pm

I call on all Lizards to picket Gravel as a fucking moron whenever they cross paths.

Oh wait, Lizards have jobs.

17 Racer X  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:35:21pm

How many democrats actually voted for Mike Gravel in the primaries?

18 yesandno  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:36:33pm

Ah....

Vigilante justice.....

And why would someone need to know where the kids go to school? I call that a threat.....

Besides, I for deporting their entire family....maybe they should take Mike with them.

19 dunkensterin  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:37:03pm

"Find out where his kids go to school"....He's becoming the Islamist madman that he is protecting.

20 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:37:07pm
21 keithgabryelski  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:37:30pm

Gravel is unhinged

22 noshariaincanada  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:37:37pm

Is this incitement to commit a crime?

23 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:37:59pm

Gravel isn't headed to the White House.

He's headed to the Big House.

24 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:38:09pm

Mike Gravel is perilously close to a criminal charge. The behavior he is advocating (I assume for a nice honorarium check) is illegal and he is speaking from a position of authority to an aggrieved party who he has reason to believe may be emotionally involved in the case.

Stalking Laws

and doing it to a Federal Prosecutor, likely across state lines, is a really bad idea, or from my POV a good idea - more of the extended clan off of the street.

25 dunkensterin  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:38:10pm

"Find out where his kids go to school"

The Islamist's useful idiots hard at work

26 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:38:40pm

re: #17 Racer X

How many democrats actually voted for Mike Gravel in the primaries?

A few, and all three of them should be very ashamed.

27 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:39:09pm

Gravel gives new meaning to the term "Alaska crude."

28 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:39:15pm

re: #15 pegcity

Democrats, aiding America's enemies since 1948

I was raised a democrat and I think in the 60's and 70's there were still lots of Scoop Jackson types in the party. It wasn't till the 1980s when the Dems went off the deep end. Today, being a democrat is synonomous with being weak on defense (and wanting to surrender in Iraq), but the weak-knees don't go that far back. Truman, for example, was a great man.

29 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:39:32pm

People change threads so quickly here harummpf harummpf.

30 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:40:11pm

Makes me wanna key the car that always parks out front with the Gravel bumper sticker (still) on it. But I won't.

31 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:40:27pm
32 Lawrence Schmerel  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:40:41pm

What a reprobate!

33 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:40:51pm

Evil & scary.

34 Racer X  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:41:41pm
35 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:41:49pm

Well it takes a little from the crazy GoP from Alaska meme.

36 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:41:51pm

And this guy was a two-term United States Senator?

Revoke his pension.

37 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:42:06pm

There's gotta be a lawsuit in there, what with threatening his kids. Unless he doesn't have any kids. Do you think BHO would be willing to detail off some of his SS guard to make sure Kromberg's kids are not harmed?

38 RickZ  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:42:17pm

re: #28 DeafDog

I was raised a democrat and I think in the 60's and 70's there were still lots of Scoop Jackson types in the party. It wasn't till the 1980s when the Dems went off the deep end.

Sorry, but Carter was in the '70's, and I considered him then to be pusillanimous. For quite a while now, he's been off the deep end as well.

39 ShalomMets  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:42:22pm

So if somebody actually does this- are the charges Federal or State, and does Kromberg get to prosecute?

40 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:42:34pm
find out where his kids go to school

Leftist lurkers, THIS is what you support.

41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:43:01pm
42 alegrias  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:43:29pm

Not long ago, Washington Post Magazine did a long, loving story about Mike Gravel.

WashPost did NOT say:
Geezer's 78! Gravel's ideas are too OLDE for America.

43 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:43:33pm

re: #39 ShalomMets

So if somebody actually does this- are the charges Federal or State, and does Kromberg get to prosecute?

It's in DC...doesn't that preclude state charges, due to the lack of a state?

44 Racer X  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:44:08pm

Can you imagine the outcry if this were a former Republican politician and the issue was a liberal prosecutor? (I know - no such animal)

45 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:44:11pm

re: #27 zombie

Reminds me of the guy who emailed you yesterday.

I wonder if Gravel does the same "I don't go for some of the crazier ideas of my party" disclaimer before uncorking a new one.

46 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:44:13pm

Suddenly, there is a use for that rippling pond in Gravel's commercial...

47 Ringo the Gringo  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:44:14pm
48 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:44:43pm

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

Off the deep end

Soon on the Depends.

Carter has needed Depends on his mouth for a long time.

49 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:44:52pm

re: #38 RickZ


Jimmy was a mistake in many regards. In fairness to him, he did make the right moves in Afghanastan. Being a naval academy grad and an ex-submariner, one would think that he had a stiffer back-bone then what he showed.

50 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:45:05pm

This explains the mysterious support for Gravel found on anti-Semitic madman cyberdogg2's YouTube user page. I thought -- "Mike Gravel? That's a weird person for a Jew-hater to support." But now it all makes sense.

51 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:45:13pm

Mike Gravel, Gordon Kromberg has more "chutzpah" in his little finger than you have in your whole stink'n body.

You old Communist POS!

52 oronpam  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:45:13pm

Absolutely disgusting

53 OldLineTexan  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:45:21pm

re: #44 Racer X

Can you imagine the outcry if this were a former Republican politician and the issue was a liberal prosecutor? (I know - no such animal)

I dunno, we have one in Texas that prefers prosecuting Border Patrol Agents and aiding drug runners, rather than the opposite (which most would assume is his job).

54 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:45:36pm

re: #45 karmic_inquisitor

Reminds me of the guy who emailed you yesterday.

You were reading my mind! That's cyberdogg2.

55 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:45:46pm

BTW - shouldn't Gravel also be asking people to stalk Barack Obama since Obama has recently done a 180 on Israel, Palestinians, FISA and the rest of the issues that the LLL cling so dearly to?

56 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:46:34pm

re: #40 Silhouette

Leftist lurkers, THIS is what you support.

They know it & think it's justified.

57 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:47:13pm

re: #50 zombie

This explains the mysterious support for Gravel found on anti-Semitic madman cyberdogg2's YouTube user page. I thought -- "Mike Gravel? That's a weird person for a Jew-hater to support." But now it all makes sense.

Wheels within wheels, my friend. Wheels within wheels.

/it would be fun to get the two of them together and get them to discus chem trails and free masonry.

58 HBob  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:47:36pm

So can we use R.I.C.O. against the democrats in congress now? Just curious.

59 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:47:48pm

re: #35 lifeofthemind

Well it takes a little from the crazy GoP from Alaska meme.

At lease Sarah Palin is taking the Interior Secretary to court on the whole 'polar bears on the endangered species list' thing

60 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:48:44pm

What a jerk... criminal incitement mebbe... but jerk nonetheless...

61 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:48:54pm
62 vxbush  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:04pm

re: #59 eschew_obfuscation

At lease Sarah Palin is taking the Interior Secretary to court on the whole 'polar bears on the endangered species list' thing

I must admit. I was glad to hear that. I hope it actually goes somewhere.

63 ShalomMets  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:07pm

Re : 43: "It's in DC...doesn't that preclude state charges, due to the lack of a state?"

If he lives in Virginia or Maryland wouldn't state laws apply?

64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:13pm

Filipino Christians Worry About Expanded Muslim Autonomy

A negotiated agreement to expand an autonomous Islamic homeland in the southern Philippines is prompting fears of renewed violence between Muslims and Christians in an area that has known decades of bloodshed.

Christians and others in the Mindanao region of the predominantly Catholic Southeast Asian country protested the plan on Monday, one day before the government had been due to sign a preliminary accord with representatives of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

I'm sorry, but a Muslim Autnomous homeland inside a previously sovereign county is bullshit. How about some Christian and Jewish homelands in Muslim countries? How would that fly?

65 Racer X  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:14pm

Mike Gravel sings Helter Skelter


I kid you not.

66 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:17pm
Busboys and Poets, a D.C. restaurant that describes itself as a “gathering place where people can discuss issues of social justice and peace.

And he urges people to seek out Kromberg's family at home and where the kids go to school.

Lots of "peace" there.

In this case - does "peace" mean "everybody submit"?

67 Victrola  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:21pm

I believe this POS just bought himself an interview with the authorities.

68 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:49:55pm

re: #59 eschew_obfuscation

At lease Sarah Palin is taking the Interior Secretary to court on the whole 'polar bears on the endangered species list' thing

Yeah, but we have a corrupt Senator about to hand his seat to a Democrat as he "goes down fighting" rather than allow a more electable and capable Republican take his place.

69 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:50:10pm

re: #67 Victrola

Reasonable assumption.

70 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:50:43pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

With free masonry, like anything else, you get what you pay for. And I don't think Gravel makes quality concrete aggregate.

You are one clever dude!

71 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:51:31pm

re: #68 karmic_inquisitor

Yeah, but we have a corrupt Senator about to hand his seat to a Democrat as he "goes down fighting" rather than allow a more electable and capable Republican take his place.

Have we heard Stevens side of the story yet?

72 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:51:41pm

re: #64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Filipino Christians Worry About Expanded Muslim Autonomy

I'm
sorry, but a Muslim Autnomous homeland inside a previously sovereign
county is bullshit. How about some Christian and Jewish homelands in
Muslim countries? How would that fly?

Though a MILF homeland would be fun to visit.
/just trying to lighten things up a bit before I say goodnight.

73 Pyrocles  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:51:56pm

"Busboys and Poets". Perfect name for a Lefty hangout. I can just picture a bunch of overeducated and underemployed Marxist slackers content to spend their lives as busboys making minimum wage, while writing artsy and "edgy" poetry about how much their lives suck due to oppression by the "man".

74 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:52:02pm

re: #61 buzzsawmonkey

With free masonry, like anything else, you get what you pay for. And I don't think Gravel makes quality concrete aggregate.

My Free Masonry guys actually did pretty good work; but the Illuminati totally screwed up my track lighting.

75 maddogg  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:52:06pm
The forum was held at Busboys and Poets, a D.C. restaurant that describes itself as a “gathering place where people can discuss issues of social justice and peace.” The owner donated use of his shop for the event.

That little blurb of buzzard squirt is really all you need to know.

76 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:52:21pm
77 Catttt  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:52:39pm

I'm reminded of this line:

"Will none of the knaves eating my bread rid me of this turbulent priest?"

A bit of a stretch, but this is the first thing I thought of.

Um - isn't he inciting?

78 RickZ  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:52:41pm

re: #49 DeafDog

Jimmy was a mistake in many regards. In fairness to him, he did make the right moves in Afghanastan. Being a naval academy grad and an ex-submariner, one would think that he had a stiffer back-bone then what he showed.

I agree Jimmy was a mistake (in all regards); there is no other fairness to him. As for his response to Afghanistan, he was shamed into one by being blatantly lied to by the Soviets, and believing their lies. It was only after the Soviet invasion that he realized he had been lied to. We're still paying today for Carter's non-response to Iran then. Obama will be no different. Except now the stakes are raised. And it's not just Iran and its nuclear ambitions, but the lethality of bio/chem weapons and their relative ease, and cheap cost, to use. Imagine what Obama would have done on 9/11 had he been sitting in the Oval Office (or visiting inner-city school kids in Chicago). Obama in the Oval Office when the shit hits the fan is a nightmare scenario I do not need to see come to fruition.

79 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:52:55pm

re: #68 karmic_inquisitor

Yeah, but we have a corrupt Senator about to hand his seat to a Democrat as he "goes down fighting" rather than allow a more electable and capable Republican take his place.

Yeah....I've seen that....too bad. I don't support corruption irregardless of whose side it's on.

80 Catttt  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:53:27pm

re: #66 reine.de.tout

And he urges people to seek out Kromberg's family at home and where the kids go to school.

Lots of "peace" there.

In this case - does "peace" mean "everybody submit"?

Sexist name! It should be Buspersons and Poets! /

81 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:53:39pm

BTW, I've been reading LGF comments for so long (to the exclusion of other sites' comments) that it was only after I visited a blog out in the "real world" earlier today that I realize how accustomed we've become to the general level of erudition here. If this same thread was on Random Blog X out there, the comments would look like:

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Gravvel PWNAGE!

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Propecia Xanax Cialis 10%now VISIT Xanaxvirus.ru

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Nuke up hs azz lemme pooooosh da buddon

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82 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:53:46pm

re: #56 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They know it & think it's justified.

When John Roberts was being sworn in, his little son was misbehaving off camera. When his son was mentioned by Bush, apparently Mrs. Roberts grimaced or something, in amused embarrassment over the little kid running around.

But leftist sites didn't see that and only saw her make a face, decided that Roberts had "something to hide" about his son, and immediately made plans to go after the son. "Let's see what we can dig up and use!"

Once doesn't have to scratch off the veneer very much to get past "peace and love" and get right down to malicious authoritarians.

83 alegrias  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:53:50pm

Gravel's idea of "good" governance is Mugabe-ian.
And Democrats considered this guy a presidential candidate for OUR country!

84 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:54:15pm

re: #65 Racer X

Mike Gravel sings Helter Skelter


I kid you not.

Wow.

That was so profound. I have never seen anything like that before.

Now that I have seen it, I realize that I am just a petty warmonger and that all war is bad.

And big corporations run everything.

/

85 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:54:41pm

re: #73 Pyrocles

"Busboys and Poets". Perfect name for a Lefty hangout

It is. I've, uh, been there. (Don't ask.) Like I said - the bookstore side of the place is heavy on "Che is great, Chavez is great, America is evil, Israel is evil". And of course, no conservative books of any kind, because leftists can't stand any real competition of ideas. The coffee shop side is the usual urban lefty hipster assholes sipping lattes and dribbling at the MacBook Pros their trust funds paid for.

86 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:55:53pm

re: #80 Catttt

Sexist name! It should be Buspersons and Poets! /

Buspersons (noun): the ever-growing population under Barry O's bus.

87 Bill Amos  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:56:03pm

Can see fox news video of gravel on my site

[Link: williamamos.wordpress.com...]

88 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:56:22pm

re: #84 karmic_inquisitor

Wow.

That was so profound. I have never seen anything like that before.

Now that I have seen it, I realize that I am just a petty warmonger and that all war is bad.

And big corporations run everything.

/

Oh, and Iraq is just like Vietnam, man. You forgot to mention that part.

89 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:56:48pm
90 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:56:48pm

Gravel, Kucinich, and the dreaded Luap Nor. What is it about this election that has caused fringie candidates to lose all their faculties? And then there's Nader...

91 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:56:48pm

re: #81 zombie

BTW, I've been reading LGF comments for so long (to the exclusion of other sites' comments) that it was only after I visited a blog out in the "real world" earlier today that I realize how accustomed we've become to the general level of erudition here. If this same thread was on Random Blog X out there, the comments would look like:

Another thing I've become accustomed to is how easy it is to have an actual discussion or conversation here, as opposed to just being able to post a comment. I occasionally put a comment on Michelle Malkin or HotAir, but it's just not the same environment. . .

92 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:56:49pm

Bus persons? Aren't those former Obama friends?

93 Perry  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:57:16pm
94 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:57:25pm

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

There is a vein of erudite running through the bedrock.

Like the marbling in a slice of corned beef.

95 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:57:26pm

If they try anything in the DC area, with his office in DC or VA, home maybe in MD, dinner in DC, and kids school in VA - its likely to be Interstate Stalking, then its Federal fun.

For the earlier post - the only thing one could promise is that Kromberg would not be the Prosecutor - a good friend and colleague would take care of that.

96 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:57:31pm

re: #40 Silhouette
Find out where his kids go to school

Leftist lurkers, THIS is what you support.


They support it so long as it's a RWinger in the crosshairs. Let anyone suggest finding out where Sen. Gravel's grandchildren go to school, etc. etc. [that'd be senseless for conservatives, since the information would, for us, not be anything we could act on], and the LW would go ballistic. Sauce for the goose is not sauce for the gander.

What I {do} suggest is to keep meticulous records of all these coy calls for assassinations, kidnappings, and the like. Trot them all out whenever anybody acts on one of the suggestions. Keep it before the public eye, how Rev. Sharpton's coy rant against white "interlopers" lead to real arson and real murder. Wikipedia article, see Freddie's Fashion Mart item, for instance.

97 wolfie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:57:38pm

re: #85 Occasional Reader

Was she worth it? :)

98 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:58:14pm

re: #91 reine.de.tout

Sorry, format glitch, should look like:


re: #81 zombie

BTW, I've been reading LGF comments for so long (to the exclusion of other sites' comments) that it was only after I visited a blog out in the "real world" earlier today that I realize how accustomed we've become to the general level of erudition here. If this same thread was on Random Blog X out there, the comments would look like:

Another thing I've become accustomed to is how easy it is to have an actual discussion or conversation here, as opposed to just being able to post a comment. I occasionally put a comment on Michelle Malkin or HotAir, but it's just not the same environment. . .

99 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:58:18pm
100 ShalomMets  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:58:42pm

re: #85 Occasional Reader

It is. I've, uh, been there. (Don't ask.) Like I said - the bookstore side of the place is heavy on "Che is great, Chavez is great, America is evil, Israel is evil". And of course, no conservative books of any kind, because leftists can't stand any real competition of ideas. The coffee shop side is the usual urban lefty hipster assholes sipping lattes and dribbling at the MacBook Pros their trust funds paid for.

They hate capitalism, yet hang out in a store and buy stuff and drink overpriced coffee. Do they see they irony or are they just incapable?

101 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:58:52pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

Why, yes. Yes indeed.

(He said, rye-ly).

You pass mustard with that comment.
/now I'm really getting hungry

102 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:58:54pm

re: #71 DeafDog

Have we heard Stevens side of the story yet?

You have got to be kidding me.

He should leave the Senate in shame over Bridge to Nowhere if for nothing else.

I will also add this - I remember refusing jelly donuts from contractors when I was an Army officer. We were that sensitive to allowing any sense of impropriety or conflict of interest enter into any dealings. Allowing an appearance of a conflict of interest was a basis for getting boarded out.

Stevens should take his act out of the Senate. He is political poison.

103 RickZ  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:58:59pm

re: #89 buzzsawmonkey

There is a vein of erudite running through the bedrock.

Sometimes, it's fool's erudite.

/Looking at Cognito.

104 USA  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:59:04pm
105 opnion  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:59:12pm

"Find out where his kids go tro school?" He was a rather entertaining fool during the debates. Now he is a destructive clown advocating the harassment of children.
The guy is despicable & I wonder if any lawyer on here would comment as to whether there is something to take to the police.

106 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 1:59:51pm

Wow, come to think of it, Gravel, Kucinich, and Ron Paul make Nader and Perot look down right Presidential.

107 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:00:12pm

re: #88 Occasional Reader

Oh, and Iraq is just like Vietnam, man. You forgot to mention that part.

Vietnam, you say? Did you know that John Kerry was in Vietnam? Have I mentioned recently that John Kerry is an idiot?

108 razorbacker  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:00:21pm

Demo opposition to drilling finally explained. By Frank J at IAMO, of course...

Why do you think the Democrats are against drilling? If we have oil, you drill for it. That's something you learn in kindergarten. It's basic logic. So why are Democrats against something so good and basic?

Are they protecting the interests of mole people over those of humans?

I've long suspected that the Democrats are in the pockets of the mole people. I bet if you look at their donations, you'll find lots of it comes from underground. The disgusting mole people hate us for our success -- just like terrorists and liberals -- and are probably using the Democrats as an instrument against us -- just like terrorists and liberals. Plus, they don't want us to have their precious oil which they worship as a god.

I bet Pelosi is actually a mole person herself. She does always shriek when her beady eyes encounter sunlight. We really need to have some sort of committee identifying and jailing Communists and mole people hiding in our government. I will head up that committee, but I won't do it for government pay. At no extra charge, I'll also test for replicants. Think about it.

109 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:00:31pm

re: #83 alegrias

Gravel's idea of "good" governance is Mugabe-ian.
And Democrats considered this guy a presidential candidate for OUR country!

Well that's because their idea of good government really is Mugabeian.

Of course speaking the truth is just a exercise in subtle racism.

110 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:01:10pm

Time to say goodnight, Lizards.

111 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:01:18pm

re: #93 Perry

Busboys and Poets bookstore

"Progressive Books to Activate Your Mind and Community" Activate the mind? Surely they jest!

112 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:02:04pm

No wo nder they are for gun control. It gives the targets of leftist hatred the ability to protect themselves.

113 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:02:12pm

"Busboys and Poets"?

Isn't the term "busboy" inherently offensive, being both ageist and racist? (The word "boy" recently being elevated to the highest echelon of racist epithets.)

Perhaps "Dish Removal Technicians and Trustafarians" would be a more apopros name for the venue?

114 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:02:13pm

I would thinking the idea of Muslims stealing themselves another country would be bigger news;

Court stops Palace-Moro signing of territorial pact

THE Supreme Court yesterday stopped the government from signing a land deal with Muslim separatist rebels in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, court officials said.

The temporary restraining order was granted in response to a petition filed by officials of North Cotabato and Zamboanga City, who said the governments agreement on ancestral domain with the Moro Islamic Liberation Front was unconstitutional.

Under the agreement, large swathes of Mindanao will become part of a Muslim state to be controlled and run by Muslims.

The autonomous region will have its own legal, banking and education systems, civil service and internal security force, and these have been seen as paving the way for a formal peace agreement with the rebels.

Give them a state! Not just for Palis anymore.

115 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:02:30pm

re: #79 eschew_obfuscation

Yeah....I've seen that....too bad. I don't support corruption ir regardless of whose side it's on.

Pet peeve of mine.

116 Miss Molly  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:02:48pm

Mike Gravel is not just a "jerk". He is a low class piece of trash and whatever ,if any, legal charges could be brought against him I hope they will be filed. That would give Mike something to really scream about -- and the more he screams the better!

117 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:03:53pm

re: #65 Racer X

Mike Gravel sings Helter Skelter


I kid you not.

That was frightening.

118 BGOH  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:05:01pm

Sorry for the OT, Lizards, but...

I'm doing some research for a campaign I'm working for, and I'm having some trouble locating some info. I need to find out how many National Guard and Reserve troops (separately) are currently deployed in Iraq, but I am only coming across references to singular brigade deployments. Does anyone know of an resources that might have these troop levels available?

I certainly would appreciate any help at all!

119 mikalm  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:05:03pm

re: #65 Racer X

That is one of the weirdest things I've ever seen on the Internet.

120 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:05:21pm

re: #115 Miss Trixie

Pet peeve of mine.

GOTCHA! HA HA.....actually, I was aiming for OR.

121 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:05:54pm

re: #113 zombie

"Busboys and Poets"?

Isn't the term "busboy" inherently offensive, being both ageist and racist? (The word "boy" recently being elevated to the highest echelon of racist epithets.)

Perhaps "Dish Removal Technicians and Trustafarians" would be a more apopros name for the venue?

Arise! Ye children of the trust fund!
Arise! Ye parasites!
Go forth, and plunder the productive!
And slaughter the innocent!

-- The Internationale (realist version)

122 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:06:23pm

re: #78 RickZ

This discussion was about when the dems abandoned America and became the 'blame america first' party. The original post said 1948 was the year. In my opinion, the dems were actually pro-American through the 1970s.

Was Carter a successful prez? No. I'm not arguing that. Was Carter Anti-American? No.

123 alegrias  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:06:59pm

re: #106 de La Valette

Wow, come to think of it, Gravel, Kucinich, and Ron Paul make Nader and Perot look down right Presidential.

* * *
Ross Perot actually was more presidential than President Carter because Perot successfully rescued his hostage employees from Iran, while Carter's attempt to rescue hostage US employees FAILED miserably.

President Ross Perot wouldn't have put up with radical theologues pushing our country around.

Perot also spent his own money to care for POWs and their families, including John McCain's (first) wife, during the Vietnam war and afterwards.

124 Shiplord kirel  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:07:02pm

Gravel was, of course, a chief instigator of the sell-out of the Republic of Vietnam in 1975, when the Democratic congress voted to cut off further aid in the face of a huge offensive by the Stalinist North Vietnamese (Tonkinese) forces, which contined to receive unlimited aid from the communist bloc. The RVN nevertheless managed to hold out another three months against the invaders.

In lefty memetics, this is represented as a catastrophic defeat for US forces and many media portrayals of the events allow and encourage the false inference that US forces were driven from the country by force of arms. In fact, US forces had withdrawn 2 years earlier after a treaty of peace had been signed in Paris, a treaty the communists had no intention of honoring.
The endlessly repeated scenes of American helicopters perched precariously on the roof of the Saigon embassy were not part of a panicked retreat by the American military, but an effort to rescue American civlians and whatever SVN personnel could be saved from the gulags to come.

125 Catttt  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:08:05pm

I wondered why uber hypocrite Bob "Whipped Cream" Barr got the Libertarian nod for Pres. nominee. Now I begin to understand, if this is the level of competition.

126 RickZ  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #122 DeafDog

Was Carter a successful prez? No. I'm not arguing that. Was Carter Anti-American? No.

I'd debate you on that one. Because Carter is cut from the same progressive cloth as the Obama. Just because Carter went to Annapolis doesn't make him a patriot; Annapolis is tuition free, like all service academies.

127 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:10:33pm

Lizards are erudite, and occasionally food blog.

128 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:11:53pm

re: #102 karmic_inquisitor

The bridge to nowhere is not relevant to the indictment.

Have we heard anything in regards to his side of the story on the indictment?

Stevens may be guilty as sin, but I'd like to hear both sides before I condemn the man.

129 vagabond trader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:11:59pm

re: #104 USA

Great catch!

130 zombie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:12:56pm

re: #124 Shiplord kirel

Gravel was, of course, a chief instigator of the sell-out of the Republic of Vietnam in 1975, when the Democratic congress voted to cut off further aid in the face of a huge offensive by the Stalinist North Vietnamese (Tonkinese) forces, which contined to receive unlimited aid from the communist bloc. The RVN nevertheless managed to hold out another three months against the invaders.

In lefty memetics, this is represented as a catastrophic defeat for US forces and many media portrayals of the events allow and encourage the false inference that US forces were driven from the country by force of arms. In fact, US forces had withdrawn 2 years earlier after a treaty of peace had been signed in Paris, a treaty the communists had no intention of honoring.
The endlessly repeated scenes of American helicopters perched precariously on the roof of the Saigon embassy were not part of a panicked retreat by the American military, but an effort to rescue American civlians and whatever SVN personnel could be saved from the gulags to come.

THANK YOU for reiterating this key historical fact that has been relentlessly misconstrued.

131 de La Valette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:13:15pm

re: #123 alegrias

I have worked with his firm(s) as a customer and subcontractor for many years, I know his friends and neighbors, and many former employees who worked with him at a high levels.

He would be the perfect President for a small republic, allied with America - not in charge of a Superpower and a cankerous Congress. If fear he would have been torn apart by the media and DC insiders.

Just like today's media environment wherein the lack of due diligence by the media allowed Barack to develop - I feel the media gave him a pass because he was taking votes from Bush, Sr.

132 alegrias  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:14:03pm

re: #124 Shiplord kirel

Gravel was, of course, a chief instigator of the sell-out of the Republic of Vietnam in 1975, when the Democratic congress voted to cut off further aid in the face of a huge offensive by the Stalinist North Vietnamese (Tonkinese) forces, which contined to receive unlimited aid from the communist bloc. The RVN nevertheless managed to hold out another three months against the invaders.

In lefty memetics, this is represented as a catastrophic defeat for US forces and many media portrayals of the events allow and encourage the false inference that US forces were driven from the country by force of arms. In fact, US forces had withdrawn 2 years earlier after a treaty of peace had been signed in Paris, a treaty the communists had no intention of honoring.
The endlessly repeated scenes of American helicopters perched precariously on the roof of the Saigon embassy were not part of a panicked retreat by the American military, but an effort to rescue American civlians and whatever SVN personnel could be saved from the gulags to come.


* * *
Thank you, I did not know Gravel's part in the betrayal of millions of Vietnamese & Cambodians.

I formally question his patriotism and wish he'd just defect from our country.

133 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:14:37pm

re: #120 eschew_obfuscation

GOTCHA! HA HA.....actually, I was aiming for OR.

*snort*

:D

RacerX - That video left me chilled to the bone in its creepiness and it's hotter than Hades here.

*shudder*

What a creep this guy is.

134 opnion  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:15:20pm

re: #124 Shiplord kirel

You are historically accurate.

135 mikalm  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:15:49pm

re: #65 Racer X

And I'm wondering why a retired US Senator chose the song that has become synonymous with Charles Manson and his hippie death squad.

136 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:18:31pm

re: #115 Miss Trixie

Pet peeve of mine.

"ir regardless"

Hooray! ! ! ! !
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!

137 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:18:35pm

re: #128 DeafDog

Stevens may be guilty as sin, but I'd like to hear both sides before I condemn the man.


I am condemning him as a Senator. I want him out and out of the race for his seat (which he is contesting this year and losing.)

That is my point.

Innocent until proven guilty is a fine standard when it comes to taking one's life, liberty or property. But a conviction is not necessary to condemn him as a lousy Senator and a selfish asshole for dragging down a party that has helped him and his career for many, many years.

So I feel free and justified in condemning him. The indictment is, frankly, superfluous.

138 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:21:00pm

re: #126 RickZ

It would be a very tough argument for me to win since we have 30+ years of history to show that the policies did not work. But I would argue that there is a difference between idiotic policies and unpatriotic policies.

Carter was an idiot, but not unpatriotic.

139 USA  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:21:43pm

re: #129 vagabond trader

Great catch!

Thanks, but not really. It is on Drudge. I think this is terrific. If a candidate does not lead it, why shouldn't people insist on the Pledge of Allegiance at all of these rallies?

God Bless America.

140 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:22:14pm

re: #136 LeePro

"ir regardless"

Hooray! ! ! ! !
DINGDINGDINGDINGDING!

LOL! You crack me up! :D

141 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:22:32pm

By the way, one thing I noticed at the relentlessly "progressive" Busboys & Poets is that the actual - you know - busboys were all Salvadoran immigrants, while the (presumably higher-paid) host and waitstaff where all American hipsters. Just like at any evil capitalist joint here in DC. No irony there, no sir.

142 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:22:34pm
143 Shiplord kirel  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:22:50pm

re: #130 zombie

THANK YOU for reiterating this key historical fact that has been relentlessly misconstrued.

A vignette I remember from that sad episode:

When Canadian C-130s arrived at Tan Son Nhut airport to evacuate their own embassy, the ambassador decided to load the embassy's automobiles onto the planes rather than use the space for its own Vietnamese employees, let alone for the hordes of panic-stricken Vietnamese who had besieged the airfield in an effort to escape the arrival of the "people's army."

At the time, the Canadian government was led by leftist Pierre Trudeau, who had given haven to draft-dodgers and otherwise opposed American policy at every turn. It is odd, then, that even he felt the need to evacuate his embassy, though not his loyal Vietnamese employees.

144 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:25:19pm

Stevens' poll numbers sucked before the indictment.


WASHINGTON - A recent poll shows Anchorage Mayor Mark Begich leading incumbent Ted Stevens in the U.S. Senate race.

The survey found 51 percent of those responding would vote for Begich in November's general election, compared to 44 percent who said they would back Stevens.

The poll indicates Begich is gaining name recognition across the state, but Stevens, who has served in the Senate since 1968, also remains popular.

Some 58 percent of responders said they felt very or somewhat positive toward Begich, while only 16 percent had a negative opinion of the 45-year-old Democratic mayor. Eleven percent of those responding didn't know of Begich.

For Stevens, the numbers were a little closer - 49 percent had a positive opinion, while 40 percent had a negative opinion. All of the survey's 269 responders knew Stevens was the state's senior senator.

Stevens' bid to win a seventh full term in the Senate has been overshadowed by an ongoing corruption investigation by the U.S. Justice Department. Stevens has not been charged with any wrongdoing.

High name recognition may partially explain why the poll shows Stevens beating challenger Dave Cuddy by 15 percentage points in the Republican primary. More than 42 percent of poll participants said they had no idea who Cuddy was.

145 mikalm  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:25:44pm

re: #135 mikalm

And "Helter Skelter" is especially sinister in this context. One of the Manson Family's regular practices was to "creepy crawl" their proposed targets: stalk them, silently break into their homes and leave threatening notes, etc.

(I'd have made this all part of one post, but my brain is a bit slow today, and I'm only making the connections one by one.)

146 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:26:07pm

re: #142 buzzsawmonkey

Like I said, it would be a tough argument for me to win given what has happened since.

In general, I did not have the feeling during the 1970's that folks like Tip O'neal were against the country. I do get that feeling about Nancy P.

147 Robert Schwartz  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:26:17pm

If it happens in DC, there is a DC code and a DC court system, both established by Congress, but not part of the US Code or the Federal court system. But, going after a federal prosecutor is a federal crime. FBI, Federal prosecution, federal prison. Not a very good idea. I doubt that the FBI, the DoJ or the Federal courts would see the humor. Not after a Federal Judge's husband and mother were murdered.

148 mikalm  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:27:55pm

re: #143 Shiplord kirel

What an appalling story. Couldn't they have taken their employees, and the burned their own automobiles and left them there so that the occupiers would be left with useless hunks of metal?

149 debutaunt  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:27:55pm

re: #86 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

SubBuspersons (noun): the ever-growing population under Barry O's bus.

Little Change.

150 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:28:06pm

re: #143 Shiplord kirel

rather than use the space for its own Vietnamese employees, let alone for the hordes of panic-stricken Vietnamese who had besieged the airfield in an effort to escape the arrival of the "people's army."

But don't you see, the Vietnamese staff were about to be liberated by the People's Army. Why would the good Ambassador dream of denying them that privilege?

151 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:28:21pm

re: #137 karmic_inquisitor

I understand the sentiment. But ask yourself why the DOJ choose now to bring the indictment against Stevens. That smells funny to me and career DOJ guys doing something that smells of politics also needs to be questioned. That's why I want to hear the other side.

152 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:29:21pm

re: #148 mikalm

What an appalling story. Couldn't they have taken their employees, and the burned their own automobiles and left them there so that the occupiers would be left with useless hunks of metal?

Because that would be the right thing to do.

153 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:31:09pm

re: #140 Miss Trixie

LOL! You crack me up! :D

;D
Yep. How else will all these peeps learn proper usage and spelling, etc., if you and I and goddessoftheclassroom don't stay right on their asses?

Heh.

154 Miss Trixie  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:32:48pm

re: #153 LeePro

;D
Yep. How else will all these peeps learn proper usage and spelling, etc., if you and I and goddessoftheclassroom don't stay right on their asses?

Heh.

SOI-tently. Them is being much gooder, to.

:P

155 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:35:29pm

re: #153 LeePro

;D
Yep. How else will all these peeps learn proper usage and spelling, etc., if you and I and goddessoftheclassroom don't stay right on their asses?

Heh.

Are you three the Language Police?

156 code red 21  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:36:18pm

If I were Mr. Kromberg I would hire the best body guards for my family that money could buy and have them bill this POS for their services. Then let him sue me and play this threat in court for all to hear. F'ing bastard.

157 mikalm  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:37:03pm

re: #152 The Other Les

Well, we may have our differences on metaphysical issues, but I'm sure we both agree on one key point: sacrificing human beings to spare objects is a hallmark of evil.

158 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:42:45pm

re: #151 DeafDog

I understand the sentiment. But ask yourself why the DOJ choose now to bring the indictment against Stevens. That smells funny to me and career DOJ guys doing something that smells of politics also needs to be questioned. That's why I want to hear the other side.

Agree with you on the timing. I think Stevens, like anyone else , should get a fair shake when accused of a crime. But Stevens' pork escapades have gotten to such an extreme that he needs to be kicked out of the Senate, which Alaska voters seem set to do. If Stevens read the writing on the wall there would be a good chance of a Republican keeping the seat.

But the Senate is full of huge egos that are blind to reality.

159 Shiplord kirel  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:42:59pm

Gravel's casual advocacy of terrorism is the inevitable outcome of 40 years of ingesting lefty kool-aid.

A leading opponent of the Vietnam war throughout his first term, Gravel was catapulted to superstar status by his role in the Pentagon Papers scandal of 1971, which revealed a series of outdated (though still classified) DoD analyses and reports from the early days of the war.

This and a subsequent try for the Democratic vice-presidential nomination in 1972 brought him the fawning praise of media culture trend-setters:

For his efforts (to win the nomination), Gravel attracted some attention: famed writer Norman Mailer would say he "provided considerable excitement" and was "good-looking enough to have played leads in B-films", while Rolling Stone correspondent Hunter S. Thompson said Gravel "probably said a few things that might have been worth hearing, under different circumstances ..."

Heady stuff for a real estate speculator from distant Alaska. The following year, Gravel was involved in a sex scandal. Given the context of the time, this probably increased his media standing even more.

160 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:44:05pm

re: #154 Miss Trixie

SOI-tently. Them is being much gooder, to.

:P

Oh, geez! You got me on that one... I thought it was "more" gooder.

161 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:44:25pm

re: #157 mikalm

Well, we may have our differences on metaphysical issues, but I'm sure we both agree on one key point: sacrificing human beings to spare objects is a hallmark of evil.

Human Life has to be the standard of value in a valid moral code. And when we act to protect the innocent we are also protecting ourselves and upholding our own right to life.

162 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:47:08pm

re: #161 The Other Les

Human Life has to be the standard of value in a valid moral code. And when we act to protect the innocent we are also protecting ourselves and upholding our own right to life.

Aye, and the way evil gets around that is just to start declaring certain people not human. Sons of pigs and donkeys come to mind first, but there are certainly other glaring examples.

163 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:47:50pm

re: #155 scottishbuzzsaw

Are you three the Language Police?

Absolutely!

164 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:51:04pm

re: #162 Silhouette

Aye, and the way evil gets around that is just to start declaring certain people not human. Sons of pigs and donkeys come to mind first, but there are certainly other glaring examples.

And one of the advantages of be a self appointed superior being is being exempt from the rules for dealing with other human beings. In effect reducing the all normal persons to the effective status of animals.

165 eschew_obfuscation  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:55:01pm

re: #164 The Other Les

And one of the advantages of be a self appointed superior being is being exempt from the rules for dealing with other human beings. In effect reducing the all normal persons to the effective status of animals.

Sounds like the ELF/PETA charter ;-)

166 scottishbuzzsaw  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:56:34pm

re: #163 LeePro

Absolutely!

Now that's funny.

167 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:57:09pm

re: #158 karmic_inquisitor

Agree with you on the timing. I think Stevens, like anyone else , should get a fair shake when accused of a crime. But Stevens' pork escapades have gotten to such an extreme that he needs to be kicked out of the Senate, which Alaska voters seem set to do. If Stevens read the writing on the wall there would be a good chance of a Republican keeping the seat.

But the Senate is full of huge egos that are blind to reality.

The issue is different if you are an alaskan or not.

Stevens bringing home the pork to the home state. If I'm an Alaskan, maybe I vote for the guy who delivers. Especially one who is synonymous with my state.

Looking at it from outside of Alaska, it stinks. Dems everywhere can run against the allegation - whether or not it's true.

The cynic in me believes that the DOJ brought the indictment more for consumption ouside of Alaska than for consumption inside Alaska. If Stevens has a vigorous defense to the charges, he should make those public as soon as possible for the good of the party.

The pessimist in me believes, however, that Stevens is guilty. He's using the hope of re-election to plea out of the charge.

168 yochanan  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:57:54pm

re: #3 joncelli

Mike's so far around the bend that he's no longer visible. Time for this clown to go into

RETIREMENT IMPRISONMENT

fixed that for you

169 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 2:59:49pm

Just got an email from a friend...

Looks like B.O.'s redesigned 747 campaign jet now sports his logo instead of the American flag!

This needs to be plastered everywhere we can get it, as far and wide as possible! ! !

170 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:02:43pm

re: #169 LeePro

Just got an email from a friend...

Looks like B.O.'s redesigned 747 campaign jet now sports his logo instead of the American flag!

This needs to be plastered everywhere we can get it, as far and wide as possible! ! !

I'm afraid that's old news around here.

171 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:03:47pm

re: #166 scottishbuzzsaw

Now that's funny.

Credit goes here! (Wish it were mine!)

172 LeePro  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:06:26pm

re: #170 The Other Les

I'm afraid that's old news around here.

Well, EX-SCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUZE ME! ! !

/

173 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:06:31pm

re: #169 LeePro

Looks like B.O.'s redesigned 747 campaign jet

757.

174 Perry  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:06:49pm

The military side of the family just sent me this forward...


Hello everyone,

As you know I am not a very political person. I just wanted to pass along that Senator Obama came to Bagram Afghanistan for about an hour on his visit to "The War Zone". I wanted to share wit h you what happened. He got off the plane and got into a bullet proof vehicle, got to the area to meet with the Major General (2 Star) who is the commander here at Bagram.

As the Soldiers where lined up to shake his hand he blew them off and didn't say a word as he went into the conference room to meet the General. As he finished, the vehicles took him to the ClamShell (pretty much a big top tent that military personnel can play basketball or work out in with weights) so he could take his publicity pictures playing basketball. He again shunned the opportunity to talk to Soldiers to thank them for their service.

So really he was just here to make a showing for the American's back home that he is their candidate for President. I think that if you are going to make an effort to come all the way over here you would thank those that are providing the freedom that they are providing for you.

I swear we got more thanks from the NBA Basketball Players or the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders than from one of the Senators, who wants to be the President of the United States. I just don't understand how anyone would want him to be our Commander-and-Chief. It was almost that he was scared to be around those that provide the freedom for him and our great country.

If this is blunt and to the point I am sorry but I wanted you all to know what kind of caliber of person he really is. What you see in the news is all fake.

In service,
CPT Jeffrey XXXX
Battle Captain
TF Wasatch
American Soldier

175 Amy  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:12:25pm

Wow. And this is what passes for a legislator sworn to uphold the US Constitution? Pathetic.

Inciting others to violate the law is not protected speech. I sincerely hope that if any of these a**holes come anywhere near the prosecutor or his family, he goes after Gravel hammer and tongs.

176 anotherindyfilmguy  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:15:55pm

re: #104 USA

I hope this becomes a trend.

Note that Obamessiah doesn't actually lead the prayer... probably doesn't know (or care to remember) the words...

177 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:18:46pm

re: #176 anotherindyfilmguy

Note that Obamessiah doesn't actually lead the prayer... probably doesn't know (or care to remember) the words...

"Ave Stan..."

178 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:22:37pm
179 Cato  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:37:58pm

I just called Gordon Kromberg's office up to tell him. Gordon was a classmate of mine in law school. He is an excellent guy.

180 LEGION  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 3:40:09pm

re: #15 pegcity

Demorats are so crazy! But there is Hope- the country seems to be Changing and is rejecting the obamanizers message and wackjobs like mikey will go down with him.

181 HBob  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 4:09:47pm

re: #179 Cato

I just called Gordon Kromberg's office up to tell him. Gordon was a classmate of mine in law school. He is an excellent guy.

I just got off the phone with the FBI and then the Washington DC Police. They said I'd need to speak to the legislative office of the Washington DC Police Department. It really would be best if somebody in Washington DC would pursue this by calling them and reading the transcript. I'm not even close to being in the area. Is the posting of phone numbers frowned upon on this site?

182 patrickafir  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 4:15:12pm

What a bunch of frickin' lowlife fascist scum.

183 pegcity  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 4:46:22pm
social justice

The democrats sure love social justice, just like Stalin.

What a bunch of Brown shirts.

184 pegcity  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 4:49:08pm

re: #143 Shiplord kirel

big suprise, liberals could give a shit about real people.

These same scumbgs allowed the tamil tigers to fundraise here legally because those shitheads voted liberal

185 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 4:52:03pm

re: #181 HBob

I just got off the phone with the FBI and then the Washington DC Police. They said I'd need to speak to the legislative office of the Washington DC Police Department. It really would be best if somebody in Washington DC would pursue this by calling them and reading the transcript. I'm not even close to being in the area. Is the posting of phone numbers frowned upon on this site?

Yes, even friendlies. It will be deleted.

Post a link to where the number can be found.

186 Paul  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 5:46:46pm

A nasty weasel like Gravel would do well in an Obama Administration. He'd likely be appointed Inciter General.

187 akak  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 6:02:33pm

One man's stalking another mans freedom fighter...../jk

188 New York's Michael  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 6:45:15pm

I do hope that there are responsible enough people that if something happens to that prosecutor (or his family) that idiot gets charged as a accessory before the fact. I remember years ago I was demonstrating against the russians when a diplomat (or at least a car with diplomatic plates aims for and almost runs one of us down. I step out and threaten him, on his (the driver's direction) I get arrested and was later told that if anything happened to that driver I would be charged as an accessory before the fact.

189 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 6:58:29pm
190 Sloppy  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 6:58:38pm

Re: LeePro and other Language Police:

I see writing here and elsewhere on the web that appalls me. However, I know the rules of usage the way a bawdy-house piano player knows music theory -- strictly by ear. So I don't like to get in over my head by correcting what I see. I depend on LeePro and other posters to do that, and I hope they press on.

Keep comin' back; it works.

191 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 7:03:16pm
192 rorschach  Tue, Aug 5, 2008 7:35:17pm

re: gravel

Everyone here has been remarkably kind in their assessment of him.

He, by this veiled incitement to murder, deserves infinitely worse than the verdict he advocates for Kromberg's family. (Flames of hell, maybe?)

/ptooey...splat

193 HBob  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 7:22:34am

Just spoke to an attorney at the Department of Justice Counter-Terrorism office and he's going to contact someone at the FBI. Still don't know if it's a crime or not. I'll post if I hear back from anyone.

194 Thunderbottom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 7:38:27am

re: #141 Occasional Reader

By the way, one thing I noticed at the relentlessly "progressive" Busboys & Poets is that the actual - you know - busboys were all Salvadoran immigrants, while the (presumably higher-paid) host and waitstaff where all American hipsters. Just like at any evil capitalist joint here in DC. No irony there, no sir.

I wonder if any of these Salvadoran busboys are (a) illegal immigrants and/or (b) members of the dreaded Salvadoran MS-13 (Maras Salvatruchas) street gang (no, wait - no self-respecting member of MS-13 would lower himself to take a sucker job as a "stinkin' busboy").


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