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Bin Laden's Driver Convicted

Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 8:12:47 am PDT

Osama bin Laden’s driver has been acquitted of conspiracy charges, but convicted of providing material support to terrorism.

Military jurors found Osama bin Laden’s former driver Salim Hamdan not guilty Wednesday on terrorist conspiracy charges but convicted him on the lesser charge of providing material support to terrorism.

The split verdict marked a dramatic conclusion of the first trial before the special tribunals created by President George W. Bush to try suspects in the “war on terror.”

Hamdan faces a possible maximum sentence of life in prison.

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1 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:14:28am
2 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:15:20am

er, "celebrate"

3 bosforus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:16:14am

Give him a break, he was just a driver.
/

4 theheat  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:16:35am

Oh, goodie! Let's warehouse this one so he can become a martyr like the rest of them, go on a hunger strike, piss and moan about his Koran, play victim, and rally the lefties. I think it's a swell idea.

5 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:16:42am

re: #3 bosforus

Give him a break, he was just a driver.
/

And in prison, he'll be the drivee...

6 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:17:02am

re: #3 bosforus

Give him a break, he was just a driver.
/

Then maybe we should just run him over a few times.
(I caught the sarc tag, though)

7 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:17:42am

Hmm, maybe these military trials will work out afterall, despite the naysaying by the Far Left.

8 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:18:25am

re: #4 theheat

Actually he would not be a martyr if he were to live out his days in confinement and boredom, I think that is what he does not want; give it to him.

9 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:18:37am

About time.

10 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:18:46am

re: #7 Semper Gumbi

Hmm, maybe these military trials will work out afterall, despite the naysaying by the Far Left.

Most things that the Far Left is against work out.

11 Ringo the Gringo  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:19:24am
...the first trial before the special tribunals created by President George W. Bush

That's all that needs to be said for much of the world to consider his incarceration illegitimate.

12 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:19:43am

Just out of curiosity who let the media know where this clown was? With ppl like him its far better to exercise rendition and get what we want out of him until we can put him down for a dirtnap. Why should he get to stay alive? None of the innocents in the Twin Towers or any of the other al qaeda attacks have been given that luxury.

13 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:19:44am

re: #9 Peacekeeper

About time.

Yep, get the wheels of justice turning now, before the next President (whoever he is) disbands the military tribunals, opens the gates at Gitmo, and demolishes the brand new border fences.

14 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:19:55am

I'd like to see this guy's medical records to see just how much weight he gained (at US taxpayer expense) while in captivity awaiting a trial in which he was defended by lawyers also paid for with our tax dollars.

Contrast all that to the treatment our people receive when they are unfortunate enough to fall into the hands of this bastard's compatriots.

Our sense of decency is truly breathtaking.

15 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:20:09am

re: #11 Ringo the Gringo

That's all that needs to be said for much of the world to consider his incarceration illegitimate.

If they don't like it, let 'em complain to Texas. Bwahahahaha!

16 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:20:13am

war on terror in quotes.

17 segesta  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:20:14am

Note "war on terror" scare quotes.

18 baconeatingkaffir  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:20:36am

Can we put him in general population in Leavenworth dsb? I mean after all he was judged by a military court. I'm sure they'd love him there!

19 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:20:54am

re: #13 JamesTKirk
The road of good intentions is paved with Hell.

20 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:21:06am

re: #14 CIA Reject

I'd like to see this guy's medical records to see just how much weight he gained (at US taxpayer expense) while in captivity awaiting a trial in which he was defended by lawyers also paid for with our tax dollars...


[Link: eddirt.frozenreality.co.uk...]

21 bosforus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:21:10am

re: #6 Kosh's Shadow

(I caught the sarc tag, though)

The MSM seems to think that being a 'driver' to Bin Laden is akin to being a know-nothing chauffeur which I'm sure is hardly the case.

22 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:21:21am

I am curious why this was the first one they put on trial.

And further curious to see what comes next.

Yes, it's about time, not that I was sweating it, but even so.

23 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:22:11am

re: #14 CIA Reject

Our sense of decency is truly breathtaking.


Yes, and it is to our credit, and we should maintain it because in the long run it will convince many people to come over to our side.

24 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:23:08am

re: #10 JamesTKirk

Most things that the Far Left is against work out.

And the things they are for usually are abject failures...

25 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:23:51am

And the sniveling has begun

Huffpo

MajorMac

As a former JAG officer and having taught the Law of War, studied the tribunal court system and watched the supposed "judicial system" develop at GITMO, I can only state the obvious, this system and the Judges, the Trial Counsel and the Military Members (Jury) are hand picked to assure a guilty verdict and to uphold the Administrations political claims. This process makes the term "Kangaroo Court" look good by comparison.

xargaw

Perhaps someday the Bush Administration will face the same trials. That would be justice.

Erdgeist

Do you hate the Constitution to which every military person swears allegiance? It is not the military (I have been there and done that) that is the problem, it is torturing the guy; getting him to confess to something he didn't do and then executing him. (Uh, dude. He hasn't been sentenced yet)


wagonjak

Suprise, suprise...this kangaroo court was a foregone conclusion...there's no way this administration would have released Hamden for any reason...after all the press this has been given, to free him would have been a huge blow to the war on terror...and another gaping hope in it's credibility...

26 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:24:45am

re: #22 itellu3times

I am curious why this was the first one they put on trial.

And further curious to see what comes next.

My guess is that this guys was the easiest and least complicated... and perhaps testimony in this one will be what they build on for the next one.

27 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:25:13am

re: #23 Ojoe

Yes, and it is to our credit, and we should maintain it because in the long run it will convince many people to come over to our side.

While that is undoubtedly true and will certainly work to our advantage I tend to take a somewhat different view of the matter:

You cannot fight Evil by doing Evil.

Different analysis, same result.

28 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:25:41am

Free Mumia Hamdan!

(You know it is coming)

29 kynna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:26:21am

He wouldn't have to provide material support to terrorism if there were no "war on terror." George Bush should be the one going to prison!
/

Ow! Channelling moonbats hurts my brain-bone. ;D

30 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:27:02am

Ship its ass off to SuperMax and throw away the key. Oh, and soon after that, it'll be someone else's bitch.

31 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:27:04am

When's the BushCo trial?

/moonbat

32 bosforus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:27:16am

re: #28 Iron Fist

Free Mumia Hamdan!

(You know it is coming)

Raping and killing two girls and putting him on death row would probably garner some sympathy too.

33 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:27:19am

re: #26 Spiny Norman

My guess is that this guys was the easiest and least complicated... and perhaps testimony in this one will be what they build on for the next one.

I'm sure all of these trials will be complicated by the need to maintain the integrity of intelligence sources and methods.

34 opinionated  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:27:37am
Bin Laden's Driver Convicted

His insurance rates are now certainly going to go up.

35 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:28:09am

re: #26 Spiny Norman

My guess is that this guys was the easiest and least complicated... and perhaps testimony in this one will be what they build on for the next one.

Well, here's the thing, I presume that most of those held, are "suspected" of actually having directly killed US troops in ways that, under the Geneva Conventions, means they can be summarily executed. And I hope that's what happens. And wait for the hoohah, if and when it does.

We didn't set up the Gitmo system to hold onto bin Laden's driver.

36 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:28:40am

Can you imagine the moonscaped roads this guy drove on, with IEDs and missiles in back, dodging donkeys and rickshaws through the Afghan/Pak border areas and the Khyber Pass?

This was no ordinary cruise-controlled chaffeur to the Mighty One favored by the Taliban who ran Afghanistan~

37 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:28:46am

re: #20 JamesTKirk

[Link: eddirt.frozenreality.co.uk...]

Thanks for the link - I'll check it later. Blocked at work :-(

38 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:28:49am

re: #29 kynna

He wouldn't have to provide material support to terrorism if there were no "war on terror." George Bush should be the one going to prison!
/

Ow! Channelling moonbats hurts my brain-bone. ;D

I've never been able to channel a moonbat, I never could fill my head with that much emptiness...

39 bh684  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:28:55am

Send him to TX [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

40 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:29:13am

re: #25 Bubblehead II

We want our political opponents defeated; they want their political opponents up against the wall.

Scratch a "Progressive" and you'll find a fascist.

41 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:30:13am

Finally, one for our side.

42 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:30:13am

re: #40 Spiny Norman

Scratch a "Progressive" and you'll find a fascist.


and he'll cry like a sissy;"You scratched me!"

43 Pyrocles  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:30:25am

It's amazing how much these people trust and support our sworn enemies. These guys would willingly swallow all jihadist propaganda and taqqiya hook, line, and sinker.

re: #25 Bubblehead II

44 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:30:31am

re: #40 Spiny Norman

We want our political opponents defeated; they want their political opponents up against the wall.

Scratch a "Progressive" and you'll find a fascist.

Scratch a progressive and your likely to get something antibiotics wont clear up....

45 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:30:43am

re: #37 CIA Reject

Thanks for the link - I'll check it later. Blocked at work :-(

That particular cartoon is SFW... Not all of his are, though.

46 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:31:15am

The ususal suspects will wail that he was denied due process; that the process was rigged; that evidence used against him would never be allowed in a court of law; etc.

Those are all excuses for someone who was a terrorist operating and providing support to Osama bin Laden. He didn't deny that he worked for bin Laden, only that he wasn't a terrorist himself. He was busy claiming he did it for the $200 pay per month.

Right. Any evidence that was proffered to support the prosecutors is automatically suspect in the eyes of the left. The Left considers the tribunals illegitimate and will say and do anything to get this verdict overturned.

Powerline notes that he could still appeal this decision, and the liberal appellate judge who would handle the case is likely sympathetic.

47 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:32:22am

This guy certainly knew that he was not driving a 'Red Crecent" car.
He deserves life, but what do you do with these guys when Gitmo is shut down?
McCain does not like Gitmo & Obama thinks thet fighting back in the WOT is a human rights violation

48 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:32:25am
49 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:32:36am

The real drivers who need to be convicted and incarcerated are SUV drivers.

/

50 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:32:38am

re: #42 Peacekeeper

...and he'll leak poop.

51 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:33:56am

re: #46 lawhawk

Right. Any evidence that was proffered to support the prosecutors is automatically suspect in the eyes of the left. The Left considers the tribunals illegitimate and will say and do anything to get this verdict overturned.

They'd do the same if Osama bin Laden himself were on trial.

52 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:34:40am

In a related topic, kinda, the Saudis are seething about the new Nissan ad in Israel. Shows an oil tick going batshit crazy, cursing and jumping on a new fuel efficient car. Heh.

53 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:34:59am

re: #43 Pyrocles

These guys would willingly swallow all jihadist propaganda and taqqiya hook, line, and sinker bomber.

fixed it for ya. :-)

54 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:35:33am

re: #52 pingjockey

ya got a link?

55 mossley  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:35:36am

How long before the left demands that Obama pardon him once he's president?

56 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:35:49am

re: #47 opnion

... Obama thinks thet fighting back in the WOT is a human rights violation

So does the left-wing fringe of the Democratic Party, the ones that got Barry the nomination.

57 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:36:01am
Hamdan faces a possible maximum sentence of life in prison.

Would that be Leavenworth (where the guards can kick his ass every day if they're in the mood) military prison?

58 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:36:25am

re: #43 Pyrocles

It's amazing how much these people trust and support our sworn enemies. These guys would willingly swallow all jihadist propaganda and taqqiya hook, line, and sinker.

* * *
100% Without preconditions! 100% Reflexively "revolutionary."

America: Love It Or Leave It, still sounds good to me.

59 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:36:29am

re: #54 Bubblehead II
On FNC just now. Plus I need to experiment, haven't done linkys. Afraid I'll bollocks something up!

60 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:36:43am

re: #53 Bubblehead II

These guys would willingly swallow all jihadist propaganda and taqqiya hook, line, and sinker bomber.

fixed it for ya. :-)

Really fixed.

61 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:37:13am

I hope he rots.

62 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:37:31am

re: #51 Spiny Norman

They'd do the same if Osama bin Laden himself were on trial.

I think that bin Laden is taking a dirt bath. If he is alive he could never be put on trial. He would be a rallying point for Jihadists & the Democrat Party.
I would guess that A GI would give him "Greetings" from the President"
and deliver a round.

63 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:37:56am

re: #40 Spiny Norman

We want our political opponents defeated; they want their political opponents up against the wall.

Scratch a "Progressive" and you'll find a fascist.

Bingo! That's their biggest secret - the fascist roots of all of their ideology.

64 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:37:58am
65 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:38:12am

He'll be out in no time.

I'm sure he's been contacted by an agent.

66 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:38:27am

re: #62 opnion

He would be a rallying point for Jihadists

I'm not so sure. Doesn't OBL seem like yesterday's news, even in jihadiland?

67 Pyrocles  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:39:05am

Every NPR story on this mentioned that the "harsh questioning" used during interrogations could negate any testimony. They didn't even accuse interrogators of "torture"; only "harsh interrogations". What are interrogators supposed to do?

Interrogator: Heya Abdul, how are you doing today? Would you like a cup of tea?

Abdul the terrorist: Fuck you, infidel dog!

Interrogator: Oh, I'm sorry. I wore my Georgetown Hoyas cap today. There, it's now in the trash... No dogs around here, now.

Abdul the terrorist: *seeths*

Interrogator: So, Abdul, I have to ask, did you ever drive Osama bin Laden around? Say a few times... Maybe? Please say something...

Abdul the terrorist: NO.

Interrogator: Ok. Here's your Quran. He's innocent, Jim. He said so himself! You're free to go, Abdul. Due to your harsh three-year confinement and subsequent cooperation in our questioning, the U.S. government will provide you with citizen status and free housing.

Abdul the terrorist: Really? Allahu Akhbar!

68 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:39:26am

And here in Canada, people are weeping for the f*cking Jihadi Family of Khadrs.

Poor Wittle Abdallah Khadr.

GRRRRRRRRR.

69 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:40:16am

re: #66 Occasional Reader

I'm not so sure. Doesn't OBL seem like yesterday's news, even in jihadiland?

Cough cough, Islam is stuck 1500 years in the past, yesterdays news is just what they thrive on...

70 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:40:50am

re: #64 taxfreekiller
How low will they go? tfk, that is one of the great mysteries of our time. Jon halp uz Kary consorted with the enemy, slandered his comrades, obambi throw people under the bus, Ted Stevens took "bribes"....To quote Zell Miller it goes "own and own and own".

71 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:41:16am
72 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:41:22am

re: #63 ErnieG

Correct. Much of the so-called progressive agenda cannot win in the marketplace, so its proponents regularly resort to force (courts, fraud, institutional takeover, intimidation, etc.) to advance it. This has been going on a long time, and there are no signs of it stopping. With Obama in office, they're practically salivating at the possibilities.

73 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:41:26am

re: #16 Ben Hur

I dinged you up for catching that, but now that I think about it-the phrase actually makes me sick. The war on "terror" is really a dhimmified concept. We know what we are at war with (aaaack too many "w"s) and it's a little more specific than "terror".

74 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:41:33am

zell? Zell? ZELLL?!?!?

Der Weisen Angel!

75 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:41:36am

re: #60 JamesTKirk

Good catch.

76 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:41:49am

re: #42 Peacekeeper

and he'll cry like a sissy pussy;"You scratched me!"

There, fixed that for ya!

77 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:42:02am

OT but anyone know how the pro-drilling guys are holding out at the Capitol?

Pro-exploration politicians have got to be thrilled Paris Hilton is thinking about the subject that might sink the leftists this fall...

And Nancy Pelosi told the Dems its OK to commit TAQQIYA and lie & say they're pro-exploration and drilling, to save their skins come election day.

78 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:42:31am

re: #73 WriterMom

I dinged you up for catching that, but now that I think about it-the phrase actually makes me sick. The war on "terror" is really a dhimmified concept. We know what we are at war with (aaaack too many "w"s) and it's a little more specific than "terror".

Will someone ding me down please.

I don't want undeserved dingage.

79 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:43:13am

re: #78 Ben Hur

No-you still get dingeage for catching it!

80 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:43:38am

re: #78 Ben Hur

I dinged you up for modesty.

81 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:43:56am

re: #78 Ben Hur

One -1 commin right up!:)

82 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:44:04am
83 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:44:16am

re: #73 WriterMom

I dinged you up for catching that, but now that I think about it-the phrase actually makes me sick. The war on "terror" is really a dhimmified concept. We know what we are at war with (aaaack too many "w"s) and it's a little more specific than "terror".

Um...Islamofascists! Yeah! That's right!

84 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:44:23am

re: #78 Ben Hur
You dingaling you!

85 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:44:46am

re: #59 pingjockey

I'll see if I can dig one up. Fox news you say?

86 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:44:57am

re: #68 WriterMom

And here in Canada, people are weeping for the f*cking Jihadi Family of Khadrs.

Poor Wittle Abdallah Khadr.

GRRRRRRRRR.

Whatever happened to the Canadians of 1944?

Those that remain are probably sitting at home, staring at the TV in disbelief at what Trudeauism has done to their country.

87 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:45:07am

re: #82 JamesTKirk

64 63 years ago today, Hiroshima, Japan

Learn how to count!

88 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:45:17am

re: #85 Bubblehead II
Yep. Hell it may be on you tube, it's pretty funny.

89 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:45:20am

If he needs another lawyer, he could always find one here!
/more vintage Seattle comedy

90 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:45:52am

re: #87 Macker

Learn how to count!

That's the problem with time travel -- I keep forgetting what year I'm in.

Now where the hell are those damned whales?

91 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:46:44am

re: #90 JamesTKirk

Back in 1986....

92 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:46:44am

re: #82 JamesTKirk

64 years ago today, Hiroshima, Japan

* * *
Thanks for the reminder, it was on my mind.

Tojo made us do it--though revisionist leftists blame us for Japan's atrocities against humanity at Pearl Harbor, China, and much of Asia & the Pacific.

93 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:46:48am

It's frightening that there are Lizards out there who ding but never make comments.

Just an observation.

Lizard ghosts.

94 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:06am

re: #66 Occasional Reader


That's 'cause he's dead. Even for Jihadis, that kinda gets in the way.

95 harrylook  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:07am

re: #21 bosforus

In this case, being a "simple driver" meant transporting RPG's as well as the world's most viscious terrorist. Not that this will change anything for the MSM or the hate-America crowd.

96 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:11am

re: #66 Occasional Reader

I'm not so sure. Doesn't OBL seem like yesterday's news, even in jihadiland?


Yeah, but a trial would change all of that. It would be bombs away for the pious ROP'ers

97 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:21am

re: #78 Ben Hur

I'll ding you sideways if I could for being such a ding-bat!

98 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:32am

re: #92 alegrias

...though revisionist leftists blame us for Japan's atrocities against humanity at Pearl Harbor, China, and much of Asia & the Pacific.

Those that even bother to acknowledge that Japanese atrocities occurred at all.

99 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:38am

re: #90 JamesTKirk

That's the problem with time travel -- I keep forgetting what year I'm in.

Now where the hell are those damned whales?

They are busy getting knocked up and dont want you watching them Captain...

100 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:38am

Hand-picked jury, fore-gone conclusion in a kangaroo court, and STILL the dude is found not guilty on some of the charges.

101 Diamond Bullet  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:42am

A timely quote about Islamic terrorists from the Enola Gay pilot 2002 interview in the links:

These people, we don't know who they are or where they are. That's the point that bothers me. Because they're gonna strike again, I'll put money on it. And it's going to be damned dramatic. But they're gonna do it in their own sweet time. We've got to get into a position where we can kill the bastards. None of this business of taking them to court, the hell with that. I wouldn't waste five seconds on them.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

102 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:44am

re: #86 Spiny Norman

I'm sure they are horrified, however, our media and other elites make very strong efforts to keep the threat posed by Islamic terrorists out of our minds. It's very frustrating.

103 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:45am

re: #93 Ben Hur

It's frightening that there are Lizards out there who ding but never make comments.

Just an observation.

Lizard ghosts.

Boo!

104 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:47am

re: #87 Macker
There was a show on the history channel the other night. "Dr. Tellers Very Large Bomb. About the development of the H-Bomb. Plus, did any of you see the one Narrated by Wiliam Shatner about the history of the Bomb. Had Soviet and Chinese footage.

105 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:47:51am

Is there an all time ding leader list?

106 vxbush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:48:01am

re: #93 Ben Hur

It's frightening that there are Lizards out there who ding but never make comments.

Just an observation.

Lizard ghosts.

I rarely ding, but often post. (Well, sort of.) I guess I'm just a big mouth.

107 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:48:05am

re: #86 Spiny Norman

Whatever happened to the Canadians of 1944?

Those that remain are probably sitting at home, staring at the TV in disbelief at what Trudeauism has done to their country.

* * *
Wasn't Pierre Trudeau a Celebrity-Canadian kind of candidate? Who was "different" alright!

108 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:48:08am

re: #93 Ben Hur

It's frightening that there are Lizards out there who ding but never make comments.

How you know that?

/fairly new around here. :)

109 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:48:46am

re: #105 Ben Hur

Now that would be funny to know.

110 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:48:52am

re: #106 vxbush

I rarely ding, but often post. (Well, sort of.) I guess I'm just a big mouth.

I'm skeered to ding. Up OR down.

111 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:48:55am

re: #82 JamesTKirk

Damn! I forgot to wish everyone a Happy Hiroshima Day!

Happy Hiroshima Day, everyone!

112 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:49:19am

re: #104 pingjockey

There was a show on the history channel the other night. "Dr. Tellers Very Large Bomb. About the development of the H-Bomb. Plus, did any of you see the one Narrated by Wiliam Shatner about the history of the Bomb. Had Soviet and Chinese footage.

Penn & Teller as a nuclear power - good or bad?

113 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:49:29am

re: #88 pingjockey

It is. Here you go.

114 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:49:29am

re: #107 alegrias

There are some similarities. Trudeaumania was sort of similar to BHO.

115 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:49:45am

re: #107 alegrias
He was also married to a total babe.

116 vxbush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:49:58am

re: #110 lori lane

I'm skeered to ding. Up OR down.

It's okay. It's just a virtual button. It won't hurt you, honest. I've done it a few times.

117 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:08am

re: #34 opinionated

His insurance rates are now certainly going to go up.

Not if he gets his insurance from "Progressive"!

118 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:10am

re: #105 Ben Hur

Is there an all time ding leader list?

Some moonbat got over 100 negative dings in a thread. Don't remember which one though.

119 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:18am

re: #93 Ben Hur

It's frightening that there are Lizards out there who ding but never make comments.

Just an observation.

Lizard ghosts.

How can you be frightened of poultry?

120 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:19am

re: #108 lori lane

How you know that?

/fairly new around here. :)


If you click on the number next to the plus minus signs, it tells you who dinged you up or down.

A tool Paris would've loved to have.

121 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:21am

re: #112 JamesTKirk
Hahahaha! That'll work.

122 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:33am

re: #94 Iron Fist

That's 'cause he's dead. Even for Jihadis, that kinda gets in the way.

* * *
Che Guevara's been dead for decades, yet he's still considered cool by leftists.

C'mon, death is no impediment to cultist worshippers. (Mao, Lenin, etc.)

Reagan, in my case!

123 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:45am

re: #113 Bubblehead II
How the hell do you do that? Thanks.

124 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:47am

re: #116 vxbush

It's okay. It's just a virtual button. It won't hurt you, honest. I've done it a few times.

Will it ever get me in trouble with Charles?

125 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:52am

re: #86 Spiny Norman

Whatever happened to the Canadians of 1944?

Those that remain are probably sitting at home, staring at the TV in disbelief at what Trudeauism has done to their country.

The real Canadians aren't sitting at home staring at the TV

126 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:55am

I frequently ding Writermom down because she's Canadian.

127 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:50:56am

re: #94 Iron Fist

That's 'cause he's dead. Even for Jihadis, that kinda gets in the way.

He's dead. If he was alive he would be doing mocking videos.
The only other option is that he is incapacitated. If he is I do hope that it is painful.

128 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:51:04am

"Spears at the charge!" yelled Mark amain.
"Death on the gods of death!Over the thrones of doom and blood
Goeth God that is a craftsman good,
And gold and iron, earth and wood,
Loveth and laboureth.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:51:13am
130 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:51:27am

re: #104 pingjockey

There was a show on the history channel the other night. "Dr. Tellers Very Large Bomb. About the development of the H-Bomb. Plus, did any of you see the one Narrated by Wiliam Shatner about the history of the Bomb. Had Soviet and Chinese footage.

That 1995 film would be Trinity And Beyond: The Atomic Bomb Movie. HELL YES I have this on DVD and ripped down to QuickTime format!
And the soundtrack kicks ass!

131 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:51:33am

re: #120 Ben Hur

thx. i'll take a cautious look!

132 vxbush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:51:45am

re: #124 lori lane

Will it ever get me in trouble with Charles?

Just dinging? No. Unless Charles feels that all you are doing is down-dinging to be spiteful. Then he might put you on double top-secret probation.

133 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:52:33am

re: #132 vxbush

Then he might put you on double top-secret probation.

I can handle that. ;-)

134 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:52:41am

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Did somebody say "Ghosts"?


Space fart?

135 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:53:10am

re: #134 Ben Hur

Space fart?

Excuse me.

136 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:53:51am

re: #132 vxbush

Just dinging? No. Unless Charles feels that all you are doing is down-dinging to be spiteful. Then he might put you on double top-secret probation.

Or worse, he might actually ask you what the hell you are doing...

137 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:01am

re: #134 Ben Hur

Space fart?

That's what Klingons do in air locks....

138 harrylook  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:03am

re: #46 lawhawk

The ususal suspects will wail that he was denied due process; that the process was rigged; that evidence used against him would never be allowed in a court of law; etc..... Right. Any evidence that was proffered to support the prosecutors is automatically suspect in the eyes of the left. The Left considers the tribunals illegitimate and will say and do anything to get this verdict overturned.

Which is exactly what they said when Moussaoui was convicted in an Article 3 court. Remember, moonbats never saw a terrorist who they didn't think was a freedom fighter. And they never saw a trial of a terrorist that they didn't consider a farce.

139 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:09am

re: #130 Macker
Bingo. I like the Chicoms having gas masks for their horses. Weird shit.

140 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:14am

Garrett Jones, Amputee Marine, Returns to War Zone

Jones said he couldn’t bear the thought of not deploying with close friends in his unit after he learned last fall that they would be sent to Afghanistan. He also wanted to pave a path for other amputees and show them what’s possible, he said. “I want to be someone an injured Marine can talk to,” Jones said. “And I can tell them: ‘Times will be rough and not always easy as an amputee, but you can still make great things out of an unfortunate situation.’ That’s what I want to do.”

Amazing. Sempre Fi.

141 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:18am

re: #137 Macker

That's what Klingons do in air locks....


Uranus?

142 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:36am

re: #65 Ben Hur

He'll be out in no time.

I'm sure he's been contacted by an agent.

You've got to wonder whether George Clooney has already been in touch.

143 jones  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:41am

re: #111 Iron Fist

Damn! I forgot to wish everyone a Happy Hiroshima Day!

Happy Hiroshima Day, everyone!

Every August 6 I think of this song:

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:54:49am

re: #111 Iron Fist

Not happy, but thank goodness it happened.

145 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:55:29am

re: #132 vxbush

I dinged you up for that.

146 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:55:41am

re: #52 pingjockey

In a related topic, kinda, the Saudis are seething about the new Nissan ad in Israel. Shows an oil tick going batshit crazy, cursing and jumping on a new fuel efficient car. Heh.

Linky?

147 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:55:51am

re: #137 Macker

That's what Klingons do in air locks....

I thought the purpose of space farts was to remove klingons.

148 vxbush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:55:54am

re: #145 gop_patriot

I dinged you up for that.

I am unworthy. But thank you.

149 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:56:13am

re: #126 Dirk Diggler

You can't touch my ding, baby.

150 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:56:41am

Who was the moonbat lawyer on the courthouse steps yesterday spouting off about that woman who was gonna jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan? All I remember she was another loony left ugly broad. Probably a code pinko who shows her tits.

151 slokat  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:56:54am

Killgore: might effect your travel plans - Mauritania coup leaders seize President, PM

152 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:57:09am

re: #123 pingjockey

Went back to your original post (52) copied the phrase "Nissan ad in Israel" then went to You Tube, put it in the search bar and viola! The add appeared.

153 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:57:36am

re: #140 Kenneth

Garrett Jones, Amputee Marine, Returns to War Zone


Amazing. Sempre Fi.

* * *
We are blessed to have such heroic fellow citizens willing to go to hell & back for our freedoms. Sometimes we are not worthy of their sacrifice~

154 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:57:47am

re: #146 Cygnus
Bubble head II has a linky up. Me linky challenged. :(

155 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:02am

Hamdan isn't going to like prison very much. Say what you will, but there are quite a few fellows in prison who actually like America. They aren't what you'd want for your next door neighbor, or for your child's significant other, but they have a rudimentary sense of patriotism. Many are exmilitary or have relatives that have or are serving.

Hamdan isn't going to like being in general population at all.

156 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:30am

re: #150 pingjockey

Who was the moonbat lawyer on the courthouse steps yesterday spouting off about that woman who was gonna jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan? All I remember she was another loony left ugly broad. Probably a code pinko who shows her tits.

Oh now you have gone and grossed out the whole thread by mentioning code pink and boobies in the same sentence.

157 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:32am

People who ding but never comment - dingbats.

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:33am

re: #141 Ben Hur

from Futurama...

"We got tired of that joke so we changed the name."
"Oh yeah? What did you change the name to?"
"Urectum".

159 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:39am

re: #148 vxbush

I am unworthy. But thank you.

Ha! No, anyone who can work "double top-secret probation" into a conversation should get a ding. Charles should set up a bit of techie code to do that for us automatically. LOL

160 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:42am

re: #150 pingjockey

BEHEAD MOONBAT LAWYERS WHO FLASH THEIR CODE PINK TITTIES.

161 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:58:52am

re: #105 Ben Hur

Is there an all time ding leader list?

Dingbats!

162 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:59:24am

re: #111 Iron Fist

That's funny. LOL. Ding ding :)

163 vxbush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 8:59:45am

re: #159 gop_patriot

Ha! No, anyone who can work "double top-secret probation" into a conversation should get a ding. Charles should set up a bit of techie code to do that for us automatically. LOL

Actually, it could be kind of fun if Charles would highlight the comments of those folks who are on his watch list so we all know who's in the dog house. At least, I would enjoy it. :D

164 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:00:02am

re: #143 jones

Every August 6 I think of this song:

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Here's a better one!

165 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:00:04am

re: #160 WriterMom

BEHEAD MOONBAT LAWYERS WHO FLASH THEIR CODE PINK TITTIES.

ROTFLMAO....We have a winner....

166 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:00:22am

re: #156 doriangrey
Are you still sick? I gotta go to the VA today, my right eye is swollen up.

167 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:00:36am

re: #150 pingjockey

Who was the moonbat lawyer on the courthouse steps yesterday spouting off about that woman who was gonna jihad in Pakistan/Afghanistan? All I remember she was another loony left ugly broad. Probably a code pinko who shows her tits.

* * *
Dear Ping, trying to answer your questionm, I tried googling siddiqi and siddiqia and all I got was awful stuff!

168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:00:55am

re: #160 WriterMom

What, they hike up their jeans?

169 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:01:18am

re: #166 pingjockey

Are you still sick? I gotta go to the VA today, my right eye is swollen up.

Yup, still running a slight fever and coughing and sneezing what little brains I have left out...

170 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:01:18am

re: #160 WriterMom
Right on. I wouldn't mind if the code pinkos used college coeds, but them older boobs shouldn't be seen.

171 bh684  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:01:52am

re: #104 pingjockey

Trinity and Beyond I believe it is called

172 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:02:08am

re: #167 alegrias
That's it, couldn't remember the name.

173 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:02:17am

re: #168 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What, they hike up their jeans?

Sadly yes, up to just above their ankles....................

174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:02:45am

re: #173 doriangrey

ugh.

175 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:02:52am

re: #118 Honorary Yooper

Some moonbat got over 100 negative dings in a thread. Don't remember which one though.

Probably an ID poster.

176 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:02:52am

re: #140 Kenneth

Amazing. Sempre Fi.

Semper.

(Or Siempre Fi, if you're thinking of the Mexican Marines)

177 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:02:56am

re: #171 bh684
Correct. Macker called it. Mad movie. Lotsa big BOOMS!

178 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:03:09am

re: #82 JamesTKirk

64 years ago today, Hiroshima, Japan

Total war dead 1900-1945
170 million.

Total war dead 1945-1990
22 million
(not counting communist state internal purges 60 million in China, 5 million SEA).

Quite an inflection point the occurs August 1945.

179 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:03:26am

re: #146 Cygnus

See my 113

180 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:03:48am

re: #157 maddogg

People who ding but never comment - dingbats.

Ding, ding goes the trolley.

181 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:03:55am

re: #174 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

ugh.

RORFLMAO.... Trust me the mental image isnt nearly as bad as the real thing... I curse Zombie (just kidding Zombie) for posting pic's of them....

182 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:04:04am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Not happy, but thank goodness it happened.

Agreed. The event itself is not a cause for celebration, not even in jest. It was a necessary evil.

183 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:04:23am

re: #180 Honorary Yooper

Clever.

184 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:04:24am

re: #175 Cygnus

Probably an ID poster.

Maybe, but I think it happened before that, sometime during the VB affair.

185 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:04:56am

Siempre Fidel

(Motto of the Cuban Communist Party Marines)

186 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:05:21am

Some new Obama halo pics...
Yahoo pic

another one here

187 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:05:22am

w00t!

188 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:05:29am

re: #134 Ben Hur

Space fart?

From Uranus.

189 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #181 doriangrey

God, every time I hear or see or read Code Pink the image of Sherry Glaser's tits come to mind. Quick! Someone hand me the damn brain bleach!

190 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:05:32am

re: #181 doriangrey
Well the code pinkos are less offensive that the 'other' oics he posted. They're terrible but it does show the depravity that passes for morality in the depths of the moonbat swamp.

191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:05:59am

There should be a "POWER DING".

192 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:06:14am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Some new Obama halo pics...
Yahoo pic

another one here

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., is silhouetted by the sun as he gets off the plane at South Bend Regional Airport in South Bend, Ind., Tuesday, Aug. 5, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon

now THAT is racist!

193 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:07:13am

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There should be a "POWER DING".

There is but one Power Ding, and Stinky is his prophet...

194 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:07:15am

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

from Futurama...

"We got tired of that joke so we changed the name."
"Oh yeah? What did you change the name to?"
"Urectum".

Urectum has a problem with asteroids.

195 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:07:20am

re: #188 Cygnus

From Uranus.


Wait for it.....(look a little lower)

196 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:07:29am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Some new Obama halo pics...
Yahoo pic

Let's play "Moonbat Semiotician" with that first image:

1) They've darkened Obama to emphasize his blackness and "otherness". 2) They've turned him into a human-shaped silhouette... like a TARGET... which is a coded call for his assassination!

197 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:07:41am

re: #190 pingjockey

Well the code pinkos are less offensive that the 'other' oics he posted. They're terrible but it does show the depravity that passes for morality in the depths of the moonbat swamp.

ROTFLMAO.... You said morality and moonbat in the same sentence.....

198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:07:52am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Hey KG, keep posting that #14 from two stories down.

199 snowtravel  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:08:27am

IIRC, the general drift in here had been that the last few Supreme Court smackdowns delivered to the Bush administration heralded the end of the free world, etc.

Well, the gnashing of teeth eventually diminished (dentition does wear out a bit), the military trials started and--surprise!--Hamdan is guilty. Yes, that Hamdan, poster child for the "far left" view that special military commissions were not a really good idea in a constitutional democracy that values its treaties.

Here's a crazy idea: how 'bout next time, let's not try to tar and feather everyone who believes in the rule of law.

(Nah, screw 'em. 'Cause, as everyone knows, regularly constituted military tribunals are soft on terrorism.)

200 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:08:39am

re: #192 Ben Hur

i like how the second one highlights his widdle ears.

201 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:08:55am

re: #197 doriangrey
Heh! Oxymoronic eh.

202 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:30am

re: #196 Occasional Reader

Let's play "Moonbat Semiotician" with that first image:

1) They've darkened Obama to emphasize his blackness and "otherness". 2) They've turned him into a human-shaped silhouette... like a TARGET... which is a coded call for his assassination!

Oh no, it's far worse than that... Obama is eclipsing the sun...............

203 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:33am

Ok, really gotta go this time. Later guys.

204 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:42am

re: #152 Bubblehead II

Went back to your original post (52) copied the phrase "Nissan ad in Israel" then went to You Tube, put it in the search bar and viola! The add appeared.

It's pretty damn funny too. I linked the ad on the spinoff links under "videos".

205 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:43am

re: #200 lori lane

I thought those were his angelic wings...

206 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:53am

re: #160 WriterMom

BEHEAD MOONBAT LAWYERS WHO FLASH THEIR CODE PINK TITTIES.


"COUNSELOR, YOU'RE IN CONTEMPT!" *banging gavel*

207 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:57am

re: #202 doriangrey

Oh no, it's far worse than that... Obama is eclipsing the sun...............

That means that he's the moon.

Obama is mooning us.

208 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:09:57am

re: #40 Spiny Norman

Scratch a "Progressive" and you'll find a fascist.

When you have the misfortune to talk to a self-proclaimed "progressive", always ask, "progress toward what?"

(HINT: rhymes with Ballinism)

209 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:10:01am

re: #111 Iron Fist

Damn! I forgot to wish everyone a Happy Hiroshima Day!

Happy Hiroshima Day, everyone!

Google doesn't appear to have any special decorations for Hiroshima Day.

210 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:10:03am
211 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:10:15am

re: #191 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Both taken by the same guy I see.

212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:10:59am

re: #211 Bubblehead II

Both taken by the same guy I see.

Whoops...try again!

213 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:11:22am

BBL

214 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:11:51am

They need to waterboard that bitch in Fla. to find out where that little girl is.

215 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:12:17am

re: #207 JamesTKirk

That means that he's the moon.

Obama is mooning us.

Allah is the Moon...Obama is the moon... But the sun is eclipsed by the Moon.................

216 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:12:26am

re: #204 Honorary Yooper

Did ya give PJ a hat tip for mentioning it?

217 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:12:43am

re: #182 Occasional Reader

Agreed. The event itself is not a cause for celebration, not even in jest. It was a necessary evil.

It was something that had to be done. Operation Downfall, the invasion of Japan, would have had enormous casualties:

A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated that conquering Japan would cost 1.7 to 4 million American casualties, including 400,000 to 800,000 fatalities, and five to ten million Japanese fatalities. The key assumption was large-scale participation by civilians in the defense of Japan
218 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:13:07am

The Instapundit presidential poll

As of this time Paris Hilton is way ahead of Barack Obama.

219 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:00am

re: #218 The Other Les

The Instapundit presidential poll

As of this time Paris Hilton is way ahead of Barack Obama.

"We'll always have Paris."

220 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:12am

re: #3 bosforus

Give him a break, he was just a driver.
/

It's not like his vehicle was hijacked and he had a gun to his head.

221 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:20am

re: #199 snowtravel

No, the last few decisions by the Supreme Court that have undermined the Administration's efforts to keep these detainees locked up and out of the civilian courts have done a great disservice to the nation.

This decision - by the very tribunals that the left seeks to eliminate altogether - did its duty and followed the law and facts - finding him guilty of some of the charges. Had it been a kangaroo court as the leftists claim, he would have been found guilty on all the charges.

The opposition to the Administration will undermine national security all at once (though they may try), but instead will do so through thousands of paper cuts.

Lawfare is the very distillation of this principle. Litigate, litigate, and litigate some more, granting terrorists captured on battlefields rights never before envisioned to be granted to such individuals. Purposefully misreading the Constitution and foreign law to extend those rights. And then finding judges who agree with those concepts.

The anti-US groups who continue to support folks like Hamdan will never be satisfied with the level of evidence proffered against them. Incontrovertible proof will be insufficient.

222 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:22am

re: #92 alegrias

* * *
Thanks for the reminder, it was on my mind.

Tojo made us do it--though revisionist leftists blame us for Japan's atrocities against humanity at Pearl Harbor, China, and much of Asia & the Pacific.

I don't think there is a survivor of The Bataan Death March that think we did the wrong thing to Hiroshima. Seems that too many forget that.
Maybe they should dig up the book..........."But not in Shame", by Tolland.
I read that many years ago, and it still is a powerful book.

223 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:38am

re: #209 Son of the Black Dog


You'd think they could fit a mushroom cloud in there somewhere!

224 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:49am
2) They've turned him into a human-shaped silhouette... like a TARGET... which is a coded call for his assassination!

Speaking of which, I can't help but notice at my shooting range how some of the black folks who go there tend to use white silhouette targets. I never really have the heart to tell them; you know, I understand your discomfort at white people shooting at black human-shaped targets... but you know there really is no such thing as a white silhouette, right? If a white intruder pops into your bedroom at 3 am, he's not going to appear to you as a big white space in the dark, you know that, right?

225 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:14:51am

re: #215 doriangrey
Did you catch NatGeo last night? Had a special about the Koran. Apparently the one the jihadis are using for their madness isn't close to what the original says. It was written in a type of shorthand and in a couple of places you could have up to thirty different interpretations of what the writer meant!

226 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:02am

re: #218 The Other Les

The Instapundit presidential poll

As of this time Paris Hilton is way ahead of Barack Obama.

She's in favor of drilling.

227 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:08am

re: #212 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OOPS! Was replying to KT's 186. Sorry about that.

228 Karagush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:13am

with all this ding talk i had to post this:

for all the dingalings out there...

229 J.S.  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:14am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Those pics look more like Obama eclipsing the sun (there was a Solar Eclipse on August 1), than halos...(I don't know, I kinda agree with Ben Hur, it actually looks racist -- as in "he's darkenin' da world" said by a KKKer...etc.)

230 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:35am

re: #207 JamesTKirk

That means that he's the moon.

Obama is mooning us.

Crescent moon.

231 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:38am

re: #4 theheat

Oh, goodie! Let's warehouse this one so he can become a martyr like the rest of them, go on a hunger strike, piss and moan about his Koran, play victim, and rally the lefties. I think it's a swell idea.

Have him eat from the menu at the Green Midget Cafe.

Spam, eggs, sausage, and spam...

232 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:15:56am

re: #214 pingjockey

They need to waterboard that bitch in Fla. to find out where that little girl is.

Too gentle, give me five minutes and you don't want to know.

233 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #214 pingjockey

I could have sworn that early on in the search for her someone mentioned a new concrete patio having been poured somewhere. Never heard anything more after that. Or maybe I have it mixed up with another case.

234 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:16:19am

re: #198 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which link was that?

235 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:16:29am

re: #226 ErnieG

She's in favor of drilling.

She's been drilled...many times...

236 vxbush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:16:31am

re: #231 The Other Les

Have him eat from the menu at the Green Midget Cafe.

Spam, eggs, sausage, and spam...

I DON'T LIKE SPAM!

Well, actually, I don't mind small amounts.

237 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:17:01am

re: #226 ErnieG

She's in favor of drilling.

Rush is comparing the Hilton response, to the BHO spokesman.

Hilton actually sounds intelligent.... I wonder how many takes it took?

238 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:17:20am

re: #233 lori lane
Correct. Haven't heard anything else. The police spokesman on FNC this am wouldn't say squat.

239 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:17:22am

Meanwhile, you've got someone who decided to build a "thrill ride" depicting a scene of a terrorist being waterboarded in Coney Island. I don't see the controversy here.

How exactly is this is different than the street theater shows by the anti-war leftists who regularly depict such scenes using real live people?

240 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:17:23am

re: #235 The Other Les

She's been drilled...many times...

There's always room at the Hilton.

241 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:17:50am

re: #182 Occasional Reader


I'm readin g a book on Pearl Harbor right now. Without Pearl Harbor, there'd have been neither a Hiroshima nor Nagasaki bombing. Compared to what could have happened if we had invaded Japan, the Japanese ought to have been glad we used the Bomb instead.

242 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:17:58am

re: #230 Cygnus

Crescent moon.

the problem with the Crescent Moon is that you can';t see the lights of the human settlements on the dark side. But that's a rant for another day.

243 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:18:00am

re: #235 The Other Les

She's been drilled...many times...

Maybe that's who McCain was thinking of when he said "drill here, drill now".

244 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:18:17am

re: #232 jcm

Too gentle, give me five minutes and you don't want to know.

That kid got sold for drugs or something. The whole story is creepy.

245 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:18:28am

re: #178 jcm

Total war dead 1900-1945
170 million.

Total war dead 1945-1990
22 million
(not counting communist state internal purges 60 million in China, 5 million SEA).

Quite an inflection point the occurs August 1945.

Not to mention all the Japanese lives ending the war saved.

246 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:18:52am

re: #225 pingjockey

Did you catch NatGeo last night? Had a special about the Koran. Apparently the one the jihadis are using for their madness isn't close to what the original says. It was written in a type of shorthand and in a couple of places you could have up to thirty different interpretations of what the writer meant!

I watched about 10 min. of it and they were apologizing all over for Islam, so I turned it off, I'm finding it very difficult to watch any of the crapaganda NatGeo puts out these days.

247 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:19:01am

re: #216 Bubblehead II

Did ya give PJ a hat tip for mentioning it?

Oops, sorry. Hat tip to PJ for mentioning it. (Will be seen in the comment PDQ.)

248 Karagush  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:19:21am

re: #222 smokefire

I don't think there is a survivor of The Bataan Death March that think we did the wrong thing to Hiroshima. Seems that too many forget that.
Maybe they should dig up the book..........."But not in Shame", by Tolland.
I read that many years ago, and it still is a powerful book.

I had a neighbor in Hawaii who was a survivor of Bataan. Her son and daughter were too. The daughter was my best friends mom and she got polio in the camps and was crippled horribly.
This big Taitian woman weighed 80 lbs when she got out of the camp.
She wrote letters to congress, the president, the state government, and newspapers EVERY DAY concerning reparations, and the revision of history concerning the suffering of prisoners at the hands of the Japanese.

I think of her often

249 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:19:27am

re: #237 jcm

Rush is comparing the Hilton response, to the BHO spokesman.

Hilton actually sounds intelligent.... I wonder how many takes it took?

I'm sure that she does better than Obama in an interview without a Teleprompter™.

250 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:19:30am

re: #241 Iron Fist
The invasion of Okinawa was a precursor to what we could expect from an invasion of the home islands. War would've lasted until 1950 or longer.

251 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:20:27am

re: #226 ErnieG

She's in favor of drilling.

As long as its her that gets drilled that is....

252 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:20:27am

re: #192 Ben Hur

now THAT is racist!

love how the light shines off the ears.........................HELLOOOOOOOO
MICKEY...............................

253 jorline  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:20:29am

I don't understand why they're making such a big deal about Waterboarding...I would imagine that it's safer than Snowboarding...less broken bones and a softer fall.

//

254 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:20:51am

re: #46 lawhawk


Powerline
notes that he could still appeal this decision, and the liberal
appellate judge who would handle the case is likely sympathetic.

That is very, very scary.

255 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:20:54am

re: #246 doriangrey
I lasted through it. Filtered out the bs. They had a lady muslim comparing Egypt from 1975 to now. She said it was scary. She's correct.

256 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:21:02am

re: #241 Iron Fist

I'm readin g a book on Pearl Harbor right now. Without Pearl Harbor, there'd have been neither a Hiroshima nor Nagasaki bombing. Compared to what could have happened if we had invaded Japan, the Japanese ought to have been glad we used the Bomb instead.

I agree. Like I said, necessary evil. But it was an awful thing, at the same time. 70,000 people killed instantly - men, women, kids; up to another 70,000 or so dead from burns or radiation by the end of 1945. Horrible stuff.

257 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:21:06am

re: #240 Cygnus

There's always room at the Hilton.

For at least one night in Paris.

258 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:21:13am

re: #124 lori lane

Will it ever get me in trouble with Charles?

Not knowing is what adds to the virtual excitement.

259 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:21:57am

re: #176 Occasional Reader

Hey stop your fascist spelling corrections. What are you, some kind of racist!?

260 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:22:10am

re: #240 Cygnus

There's always room at the Hilton.

We'll always have Paris.

261 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:22:21am

re: #126 Dirk Diggler

I frequently ding Writermom down because she's Canadian.

I ding you down because you keep knocking stuff over with that thing.

262 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:22:22am

re: #247 Honorary Yooper

Thanks

263 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:22:35am

re: #254 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Sympathetic should read syphilitic.

264 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:23:25am

Quick, everbody go out and lower your tire pressure by 5lbs!

265 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:23:52am

re: #245 Leonidas Hoplite

Not to mention all the Japanese lives ending the war saved.

I would have to say the use and subsequent threat of nuclear weapons saved 100-150 million lives in 45 years. Not too bad for a weapon.

266 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:23:57am

re: #240 Cygnus

There's always room at the Hilton.

Hey, I just remembered I'm a member of the "Hilton Honors Club". Does that mean I get to... ah, never mind.

267 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:24:20am

re: #264 pingjockey

Quick, everbody go out and lower your tire pressure by 5lbs!

Why? Oil prices falling dramatically again today?

268 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:24:22am

re: #264 pingjockey

Quick, everbody go out and lower your tire pressure by 5lbs!

Call ACORN. They'll lower your tire pressure all the way.

269 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:24:32am

re: #259 Kenneth

Hey stop your fascist spelling corrections. What are you, some kind of racist!?

I'm a rascist facist.

270 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:24:34am

Ahahahaha! Rush just said the media is gonna die of "anal poisoning".

271 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:24:43am

re: #258 debutaunt

Not knowing is what adds to the virtual excitement.

I see your point. :) I think I'll save it for an especially boring weekend night.

272 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:24:47am

re: #266 Occasional Reader

Hey, I just remembered I'm a member of the "Hilton Honors Club". Does that mean I get to... ah, never mind.

Yep, front of the line, and extra time.

273 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:25:13am

re: #267 Honorary Yooper
Making fun of obambis bs.

274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:25:55am

re: #250 pingjockey

The
invasion of Okinawa was a precursor to what we could expect from an
invasion of the home islands. War would've lasted until 1950 or longer.

Chuck Dixon, big time comic book writer - and conservative - has a mini-series called "Storming Paradise" about what would have happened if the A-bomb failed & we had to invade Japan. The second issue is out today. Do yourselves a favor & head out to your local comic book store & check it out. It's very good.

275 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:26:07am

re: #266 Occasional Reader
Just make sure you have extra strength condoms and all your shots are up to date!

276 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:26:22am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

I agree. Like I said, necessary evil. But it was an awful thing, at the same time. 70,000 people killed instantly - men, women, kids; up to another 70,000 or so dead from burns or radiation by the end of 1945. Horrible stuff.

War is all hell.
Sherman

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
Sherman

277 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:26:37am

re: #274 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Cool. Thanks for the heads up.

278 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:26:59am

........................for those re: #223 Iron Fist

You'd think they could fit a mushroom cloud in there somewhere!

Just for the Hell of it.

279 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:27:09am

re: #239 lawhawk

OK, moonbat class, time for today's pop quiz:

How many terrorist "suspects" did the US waterboard?

Moonbat #1: "Dude like, hundreds. They're like doing it everyday"

Wrong. The correct answer is 3.

280 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:27:32am

re: #267 Honorary Yooper

Why? Oil prices falling dramatically again today?

Yep.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Oil prices sank on Wednesday after the government reported a surprise increase in crude inventories last week.

Light, sweet crude for September delivery fell $1.82 to $117.35 a barrel.

And I note that this was immediately following the release of Paris Hilton's energy plan. Coincidence? I think not.

281 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:27:35am

re: #276 jcm

War is all hell.
Sherman

War is cruelty. There is no use trying to reform it. The crueler it is, the sooner it will be over.
Sherman

War Sux
/kos kid

282 JamesTKirk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:27:36am

re: #278 smokefire

........................for those

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Just for the Hell of it.

I already posted that one upthread.

GMTA&SDO

283 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:28:49am

re: #234 Killgore Trout

Which link was that?

Comment 14 from the guitar thread downstairs a couplea flights.

284 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:28:59am

re: #279 Kenneth

Heh. More people have been subjected to waterboarding at these street theater scenes than has actually been waterboarded by the US government. But they will never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

285 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:29:06am

re: #282 JamesTKirk

I am slow..............................thank you in advance.

286 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:29:36am

re: #281 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

War Sux
/kos kid

Sure that's a Kos Kid? Wouldn't a Kos Kid use the f-word once or twice in that statement?

287 pingjockey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:29:58am

BBIAB, breakfast dishes, doncha know.

288 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:30:11am

re: #279 Kenneth

OK, moonbat class, time for today's pop quiz:

How many terrorist "suspects" did the US waterboard?

Moonbat #1: "Dude like, hundreds. They're like doing it everyday"

Wrong. The correct answer is 3.

Question number two: Should waterboarding be replaced by snowboarding?

Marine: Welcome to the fine State of Colorado, n*mbn*ts! This is a snowboard! You will ride this snowboard down the side of this (very steep) mountain! You will have fun!

Jihadi: But fun is forbidden in Islam!

Marine: Well that's too f*ck*ng bad, n*mbn*ts! [SHOVE!]

Jihadi: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

289 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:30:36am

re: #223 Iron Fist

You'd think they could fit a mushroom cloud in there somewhere!

Yeah, loan 'em your avatar.

290 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:31:00am

I'd drill Paris, I've never seen herpes packaged so nicely......

291 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:32:50am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

As bad as it was, it was still way less than the Rape of Nanking. And that is simply in raw death total. The more I learn about the Japanese actions during WWII, the less sympathay I have for them. We did what we had to do, but no more. Hiroshima and Nagasaki won the war for us with a minimal loss of American lives.

292 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:32:51am

re: #186 Killgore Trout

Another photo (hope that stupid yahoo pic link works) in the series in your first link, makes it look like he's got laser beams shooting out of his head. Or like a Slitheen when it unzips it's head. LOL

It also looks a lot like an Islamic star.

293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:32:56am

re: #290 maddogg

I'd drill Paris, I've never seen herpes packaged so nicely......

So it's true then, that all men think with their little heads?

294 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:32:57am

re: #288 The Other Les


Jihadi 1: But fun is forbidden in Islam!

Jihadi 2: Then why did Allah make goats?

295 looking closely  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:33:36am

re: #284 lawhawk

Heh. More people have been subjected to waterboarding at these street theater scenes than has actually been waterboarded by the US government. But they will never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

IIRC waterboarding is used as a training tool to help US Special forces learn how to resist interrogation.

So we've waterboarded far more of our "own" than any terrorist suspects.

296 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:33:47am

re: #288 The Other Les

[Link: video.google.com...]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh,
Achmed, where are you ?

297 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:34:08am

re: #287 pingjockey

BBIAB, breakfast dishes, doncha know.

Let the dog handle them.

298 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:34:13am

re: #292 gop_patriot

Another photo

If I'd taken that photo, I would have deleted it! Not submit it!

299 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:34:18am

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So it's true then, that all men think with their little heads?


I yam what I yam........

300 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:34:25am

re: #290 maddogg

I'd drill Paris, I've never seen herpes packaged so nicely......

Paris isn't the only convenient source for STD's.

[Link: www.somethingpositive.net...]

301 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:34:55am

re: #288 The Other Les

Question number two: Should waterboarding be replaced by snowboarding?

Marine: Welcome to the fine State of Colorado, n*mbn*ts! This is a snowboard! You will ride this snowboard down the side of this (very steep) mountain! You will have fun!

Jihadi: But fun is forbidden in Islam!

Marine: Well that's too f*ck*ng bad, n*mbn*ts! [SHOVE!]

Jihadi: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

ROFLMAO...Visions of R. Lee. Ermey come straight to mind... I always suspected that in Arlie's world Watermelon was a politically correct code word for Jihadi...

302 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:35:07am

re: #294 ErnieG

Jihadi 2: Then why did Allah make goats?

You got me there.

303 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:35:56am

re: #280 Occasional Reader

And I note that this was immediately following the release of Paris Hilton's energy plan. Coincidence? I think not.

* * *
Agree muchisimo, Occasionalmente!

Hilton's energy plan is better than Pelosi's & make change more voters' minds towards exploration.

Paris would make a better politician than Pelosi, as she's actually earned her own dough while acting dumb.

Pelosi's out yammering about saving the world, while trying to sink our country.

304 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:36:13am

re: #298 lori lane

If I'd taken that photo, I would have deleted it! Not submit it!

When a photo of BHO is pulled up on line, or shown on tv, should be accompained by Benedictine Monks chanting.

305 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:36:55am

re: #301 doriangrey

.................dorian, just could not let this go.

[Link: video.google.com...]

306 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:36:57am

re: #226 ErnieG

LOL. Would that be horizontal or vertical drilling she's in favor of?

307 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:37:18am

re: #52 pingjockey

Indeed.

308 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:37:22am

re: #301 doriangrey

ROFLMAO...Visions of R. Lee. Ermey come straight to mind... I always suspected that in Arlie's world Watermelon was a politically correct code word for Jihadi...

I'd love to see John Cox do the cartoon for that.

309 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:37:26am

re: #293 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

So it's true then, that all men think with their little heads?

Little? Who told y....

310 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:37:47am

re: #308 The Other Les

Forkum.

311 JHW  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:38:01am

re: #297 MandyManners

Mandy, I found a reference to something you and Josephine were discussing and posted an answer to it on the History Channel thread.

312 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:38:03am

re: #295 looking closely

You're correct. Should have been more specific to note that than those terrorists waterboarded by the US government.

313 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:38:29am

re: #222 smokefire

I don't think there is a survivor of The Bataan Death March that think we did the wrong thing to Hiroshima. Seems that too many forget that.
Maybe they should dig up the book..........."But not in Shame", by Tolland.
I read that many years ago, and it still is a powerful book.

They were so hell bent on suicide that it took two bombs to stop them.

314 calvin coolidge  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:39:04am

The court testimony was interesting. Salim was never really happy being the driver. Osama was always backseat driving and he'd never let Salim stop at the full service lane for gas. Osama would continually yell at Salim to pull over and ask for directions, something that always tested Salim's manhood. Osama found other ways to be cruel to Salim. He'd make Salim wash and wax the car (two coats) then for kicks, he'd insist Salim drive him on all the dirty backroads.
If it wasn't for the union perks of medical, dental and retirement benefits, Salim would have quit long ago.

315 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:39:11am

maddog,

I'd drill Paris, I've never seen herpes packaged so nicely......

Rumors abound that Jessica Alba has "The Gift that Keeps on Giving" too.

Tragic.

316 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:39:58am
317 BingoBunny  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:40:24am

I'm not impressed with the western worlds attempts so far to survive Islamic terror.. I suspect it will take losses in the 10's or 100's of thousands to get liberals on board with survival.. they seem stuck on law enforcement after the event.. nice work if you can get it.

318 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:40:48am

Like these monks....


319 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:41:00am
320 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:41:33am

Well, I'm outta here y'all. My best friend and I are taking our kids downtown (Memphis) to eat lunch and tour the Gibson Guitar factory. Also doing the Belz Museum of Asian and Judaic Art. Looks amazing!

Have a great day, everyone! :)

321 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:41:45am

re: #298 lori lane

If I'd taken that photo, I would have deleted it! Not submit it!

LOL! :)

322 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:42:05am

re: #314 calvin coolidge

The court testimony was interesting. Salim was never really happy being the driver. Osama was always backseat driving and he'd never let Salim stop at the full service lane for gas. Osama would continually yell at Salim to pull over and ask for directions, something that always tested Salim's manhood. Osama found other ways to be cruel to Salim. He'd make Salim wash and wax the car (two coats) then for kicks, he'd insist Salim drive him on all the dirty backroads.
If it wasn't for the union perks of medical, dental and retirement benefits, Salim would have quit long ago.


OMG! ROFL!

323 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:42:10am

re: #310 Cap'n DOC

Forkum.

I'm pretty sure that Cox does the art.

[Link: www.johncoxart.com...]

324 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:42:24am

re: #291 Iron Fist

As bad as it was, it was still way less than the Rape of Nanking. And that is simply in raw death total. The more I learn about the Japanese actions during WWII, the less sympathay I have for them. We did what we had to do, but no more. Hiroshima and Nagasaki won the war for us with a minimal loss of American lives.

It also saved countless Japanese civilians lives. Each and every citizen was to defend the nation (and their Divine Emperor) with their life using whatever they could. Usually crude bamboo spears or other such very low-tech weapons. Or harassment by kamikaze.

A conservative estimate of the Japanese death toll by the War Department prepared before Hiroshima and Nagasaki (read it years ago and don't have a link, sorry) would have been 90% of all Japanese would have been killed resisting an invasion.

The fanaticism of Imperial Japan reminds me of the fanaticism of Radical Islam. Ugh.

325 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:43:01am

re: #311 JHW

Mandy, I found a reference to something you and Josephine were discussing and posted an answer to it on the History Channel thread.

Okay.

326 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:43:02am

re: #315 Dirk Diggler

maddog,


Rumors abound that Jessica Alba has "The Gift that Keeps on Giving" too.

Tragic.

Yes, and apparently Lindsay Lohan is a lesbian. Such a waste.

327 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:43:02am

re: #320 gop_patriot

Well, I'm outta here y'all. My best friend and I are taking our kids downtown (Memphis) to eat lunch and tour the Gibson Guitar factory. Also doing the Belz Museum of Asian and Judaic Art. Looks amazing!

Have a great day, everyone! :)

YOU ARE SOOOO EVIL..................

328 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:43:09am

re: #315 Dirk Diggler

maddog,


Rumors abound that Jessica Alba has "The Gift that Keeps on Giving" too.

Tragic.

And people wonder why I'm an atheist.

329 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:43:27am

re: #313 debutaunt

I don't think there is a survivor of The Bataan Death March that think we did the wrong thing to Hiroshima.

I knew one. You're correct.

330 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:44:27am

re: #291 Iron Fist

As bad as it was, it was still way less than the Rape of Nanking. And that is simply in raw death total. The more I learn about the Japanese actions during WWII, the less sympathay I have for them. We did what we had to do, but no more. Hiroshima and Nagasaki won the war for us with a minimal loss of American lives.

in pure human suffering, what Japan did rivalled that of the other axis powers all by themselves. brutal. barbaric. and for the most part they got a pass from the world community.

it's not right.

331 smokefire  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:44:41am

LFYA
Be safe.

332 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:45:16am

re: #303 alegriasPelosi's out yammering about saving the world, while trying to sink our country.

To the L3 destroying America would the salvation of the rest of the world. To them we are the source of every evil in the known universe. Makes me wonder if Pelosi realizes that because she is part of the US political/imperial machine that she is also part of the problem.

333 johnnyreb  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #330 Vergeltung

in pure human suffering, what Japan did rivalled that of the other axis powers all by themselves. brutal. barbaric. and for the most part they got a pass from the world community.

it's not right.

They got that pass because we nuked them plain and simple.

334 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:45:56am
I don't think there is a survivor of The Bataan Death March that think we did the wrong thing to Hiroshima.

That's not really much of an argument.

Hiroshima and Nagasaki are morally defensible as the least worst way to end a war we didn't start; not as "revenge" for Bataan.

335 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:46:30am
336 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:47:03am
337 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:47:19am

OT

All of these quickie lube places are making a killing. For $29.95, they pull the pan plug using the wrong size wrench, slap on a cheap $2.00 filter, fill it back up with low grade bulk oil and lube the maybe 2 grease fittings that todays car have. You'd think the least they could do is fill up your tires. At least that's what it shows they do on their 99 point check list. Quickie lube places are a rip-off.

338 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:47:44am

re: #335 cutestguy

Yep, and it seems good old Derek Jeter is the POS.

Yet ANOTHER reason to hate the fucking Yankees.

Hating yankees is a habit us southern boys have been tryin' to quit.

339 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:48:11am
340 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:48:20am

re: #336 buzzsawmonkey

If you sink America the Oceans will rise? I thought the Democrats were against the Oceans rising?

341 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:48:34am
342 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:48:38am

re: #332 FurryOldGuyJeans

Pelosi's out yammering about saving the world, while trying to sink our country.

To the L3 destroying America would the salvation of the rest of the world. To them we are the source of every evil in the known universe. Makes me wonder if Pelosi realizes that because she is part of the US political/imperial machine that she is also part of the problem.

* * *

Paris Hilton seems to understand it's GREAT to be American, it's great to drill & conserve, and Paris seems to love living in America & enjoying her freedom & liberty.

Therefore, I say Paris H. is a better citizen than Nancy Pelosi.

I hope you'll Paris would make a better politician than Pelosi.

343 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:49:04am

maddog,

Yes, and apparently Lindsay Lohan is a lesbian. Such a waste.

(Blech) I wouldn't touch that nasty skank drunk or sober.

344 JHW  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:49:55am

Here's a book that takes to task, in rigorous detail, written with a barely restrained rage, those second-guessers that say the atomic bombs weren't necessary;

more civilians died on Okinawa during the three-month campaign than from the atom bombs loosed on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. After the island was secured, the Americans faced the dreadful prospect of invading the Japanese home islands. In his detailed analysis of what the cost might have been, Feifer sympathetically explains why President Truman, six weeks after the capture of Okinawa, decided he had no choice but to order the dropping of the two bombs.


Tennozan, the Battle of Okinawa and the Atomic Bomb

345 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:50:06am

re: #291 Iron Fist

As bad as it was, it was still way less than the Rape of Nanking. And that is simply in raw death total. The more I learn about the Japanese actions during WWII, the less sympathay I have for them. We did what we had to do, but no more. Hiroshima and Nagasaki won the war for us with a minimal loss of American lives.

Chinese casualty estimate range for 20-35 million dead at the hands of the Japanese.

346 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:50:27am

re: #338 maddogg

Hating yankees is a habit us southern boys have been tryin' to quit.

Northern boys hate Yankees too.

347 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:50:29am
348 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:50:50am

Oh, for fuck's sake.

349 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:50:50am

re: #343 Dirk Diggler

maddog,


(Blech) I wouldn't touch that nasty skank drunk or sober.

Well yer mighty uppity now aren't ya?

350 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:51:17am
351 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:51:23am

re: #336 buzzsawmonkey

It's the Democrats' version of supply side; a sinking America lifts all the other boats.


* * *

Buzzsaw, you're a genius.

That was the point of naval academy graduate Jimmy Carter's presidency--torpedoing his country so others would feel better.

352 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:51:24am

re: #342 alegrias

* * *

Paris Hilton seems to understand it's GREAT to be American, it's great to drill & conserve, and Paris seems to love living in America & enjoying her freedom & liberty.

Therefore, I say Paris H. is a better citizen than Nancy Pelosi.

I hope you'll Paris would make a better politician than Pelosi.

Paris might not be better at politics than Pelosi, but she sure couldn't be worse. The one thing Pelosi is good at is ensuring that Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush.

353 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:51:37am

Gonna' walk the cat.

354 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:51:51am

re: #343 Dirk Diggler

maddog,
(Blech) I wouldn't touch that nasty skank drunk or sober.

that's not very believable. :)

355 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:51:53am

re: #348 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake.

zakley

356 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:52:10am
357 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:52:19am

re: #343 Dirk Diggler

maddog,


(Blech) I wouldn't touch that nasty skank drunk or sober.

We agree on something.

358 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:52:22am

re: #352 FurryOldGuyJeans

Paris might not be better at politics than Pelosi, but she sure couldn't be worse. The one thing Pelosi is good at is ensuring that Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush.

Congress has a lower approval rating than Hitler or Stan....

359 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:52:37am

re: #314 calvin coolidge

The court testimony was interesting. Salim was never really happy being the driver. Osama was always backseat driving and he'd never let Salim stop at the full service lane for gas. Osama would continually yell at Salim to pull over and ask for directions, something that always tested Salim's manhood. Osama found other ways to be cruel to Salim. He'd make Salim wash and wax the car (two coats) then for kicks, he'd insist Salim drive him on all the dirty backroads.
If it wasn't for the union perks of medical, dental and retirement benefits, Salim would have quit long ago.

How in hell can people call a man like that a freedom fighter?

360 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:52:47am

re: #348 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake.

What'd we do this time?

361 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:53:00am

maddog,

Well yer mighty uppity now aren't ya?

Let's just say that Lindsay Lohan fails to get me "uppity".

362 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:53:04am

re: #347 cutestguy

And if you saw that video, she mentioned Rihanna as her veep choice.

Pure HOTNESS. mmmmmmmmmm

pointy chin, barf.

363 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:53:05am

re: #353 MandyManners

Gonna' walk the cat.

ROTFLMAO... Where's that cat wrangling video when ya need it....

364 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:53:10am

re: #348 MandyManners

Oh, for fuck's sake.

In reference to...?

365 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:53:28am

re: #256 Occasional Reader

I agree. Like I said, necessary evil. But it was an awful thing, at the same time. 70,000 people killed instantly - men, women, kids; up to another 70,000 or so dead from burns or radiation by the end of 1945. Horrible stuff.

War is hell. Compare this with the firebomb raids on Japanese cities, which would have continued throughout an invasion, and the numbers are small.
Yes, it was a terrible thing - but it was better than the alternatives.

And think what WWIII would have been, if there had been no bomb. A massive land war in Europe, as the Soviets tried to take over more territory, instead of small proxy wars. If the Soviets and the Chinese had gotten together, the death toll would have been tens of millions to billions.

Getting rid of nuclear weapons would guarantee another world war, even if everyone got rid of the weapons.

366 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:54:15am

re: #362 Vergeltung

pointy chin, barf.

Never heard that particular complaint before.

367 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:54:23am

re: #326 maddogg

Yes, and apparently Lindsay Lohan is a lesbian. Such a waste.


What, people are shocked to find this out?

368 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:54:36am

re: #358 doriangrey

Only staying in the US and in the somewhat present time. Too many dictators and very bad people from the past would smoke Pelosi in the popularity contest.

369 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:55:13am

re: #366 Occasional Reader

Never heard that particular complaint before.

her & resse whitherspoon; pointy chins, barf!

370 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:55:25am

re: #329 Cap'n DOC

I knew one. You're correct.

My neighbor survived the death march and camp on Luzon. He never shed a tear either.

371 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:55:48am

re: #364 Occasional Reader

In reference to...?

Assault and moonbattery in general?

372 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:55:51am

re: #368 FurryOldGuyJeans

Only staying in the US and in the somewhat present time. Too many dictators and very bad people from the past would smoke Pelosi in the popularity contest.

Doh..............Smoking Pelosi is a high you dont want and never will recover from.....

373 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:55:58am
374 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:56:29am
375 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:56:56am

re: #361 Dirk Diggler

maddog,


Let's just say that Lindsay Lohan fails to get me "uppity".

I would classify her in the same group as Paris and several other "pop tarts".

Madonna, on the other hand could limp the Washington Monument.

376 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:56:56am
377 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:57:08am

re: #344 JHW

Here's a book that takes to task, in rigorous detail, written with a barely restrained rage, those second-guessers that say the atomic bombs weren't necessary;

Tennozan, the Battle of Okinawa and the Atomic Bomb

Excellent book. Okinawa was a major factor in the calculation and decision to use the bomb. Understanding Okinawa is key to any discussion on the use of the bomb.

378 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:58:13am

re: #373 cutestguy

Well, there's more to her than the chin...

sorry man. not impressed. I see hotter sisters in the courthouse every day. not to mention, that Beyonce & that caliber are top tier.

no sale. :)

379 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:58:25am

re: #360 Honorary Yooper

re: #364 Occasional Reader

I think she isn't too happy about the Paris Hilton references.

/Just a guess tho.

380 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:58:34am

re: #374 cutestguy

Blasphemy! Reese is OMFG hot

just admit it then; you have a pointy chin fetish! :)

381 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:58:44am

re: #369 Vergeltung

her & resse whitherspoon; pointy chins, barf!

Sounds like a classic Jerry Seinfeld reason for breaking up with a girl. "Yeah, she's a supermodel, but... don't you think her chin's kinda pointy?"

382 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:58:46am

The Pulchritudinous Patriot,

Yes, and apparently Lindsay Lohan is a lesbian. Such a waste.

What, people are shocked to find this out?

It's pure BS. Just another stunt to generate "buzz" and save her sagging career.

383 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #379 Bubblehead II

re: #364 Occasional Reader

I think she isn't too happy about the Paris Hilton references.

/Just a guess tho.

OK, would she rather I find some Hyatt references?

384 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 9:59:22am

re: #377 jcm

Excellent book. Okinawa was a major factor in the calculation and decision to use the bomb. Understanding Okinawa is key to any discussion on the use of the bomb.

And therefore is usually totally ignored by most people, especially those on the Left. They just want to see the bombings in isolation, with no context.

385 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:00:27am
386 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:00:37am

re: #370 debutaunt

Ben Steele, who documented the March of Death with his art, was true to his last name. That he retained his sense of humanity after what he went through is beyond me.

387 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:00:48am

re: #382 Dirk Diggler

You're saying she's a stunt lesbian? Never heard of that one before, but you should know :-)

388 sngnsgt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:00:57am

re: #341 buzzsawmonkey

That's about what you're getting, or giving as the case may be.

389 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:01:25am

re: #381 Occasional Reader

Sounds like a classic Jerry Seinfeld reason for breaking up with a girl. "Yeah, she's a supermodel, but... don't you think her chin's kinda pointy?"

sorry brother man, I need the good stuff. like Eva Mendes, Salma Hayek, Beyonce, Even Green (and the other minor-character actress from the new bond film).

V-man's got threshhold standards. :)

390 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:01:29am
391 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:02:08am

re: #382 Dirk Diggler

The Pulchritudinous Patriot,


It's pure BS. Just another stunt to generate "buzz" and save her sagging career.

Hey, her work in Herbie: Fully Loaded redefined the genre.

392 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:02:10am

re: #387 Iron Fist

You're saying she's a stunt lesbian? Never heard of that one before, but you should know :-)

And I just visualized a director calling, "bring in the stunt lesbian!"

393 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:02:22am

re: #389 Vergeltung

PIMF **Eva Green

394 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:03:05am

re: #384 FurryOldGuyJeans

And therefore is usually totally ignored by most people, especially those on the Left. They just want to see the bombings in isolation, with no context.

There are a lot of people out there for whom it is impossible NOT to see the bombings in context.

395 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:03:32am
396 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:03:40am

OT, but this falls under "and you think you're having a bad day?" category.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

397 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:03:49am

re: #46 lawhawk

lawhawk -

Does anyone here remember who Al Capone's driver was? Try Anthony "Joe Batters" Accardo! Drivers of "Big Fish" are often bodyguards and confidants - don't be fooled.

-S-

398 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:03:54am

re: #392 The Other Les

And I just visualized a director calling, "bring in the stunt lesbian!"

Yes, muff diving is dangerous and should never be done by amateurs... ;P

399 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:04:19am

re: #389 Vergeltung

sorry brother man, I need the good stuff. like Eva Mendes, Salma Hayek, Beyonce, Even Green (and the other minor-character actress from the new bond film).

V-man's got threshhold standards. :)

So, wait; Eva Green doesn't have a pointy chin?!

400 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:04:47am

re: #398 doriangrey

Yes, muff diving is dangerous and should never be done by amateurs... ;P

I can see that this thread is degenerating...


Charles, can we have another thread please?

401 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:04:55am

re: #343 Dirk Diggler

maddog,
(Blech) I wouldn't touch that nasty skank drunk or sober.

When is Lohan ever sober?

402 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:05:22am

re: #399 Occasional Reader

So, wait; Eva Green doesn't have a pointy chin?!

I wasn't paying attention to the chin.

403 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:05:37am
404 maddogg  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:06:14am

re: #400 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I can see that this thread is degenerating...


Charles, can we have another thread please?

What do you mean?

405 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:06:15am

re: #402 The Other Les

I wasn't paying attention to the chin.

Hey, you're preaching to the choir here. But Vergeltung's the one with the pointy chin thing.

406 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:06:17am

re: #402 The Other Les

I wasn't paying attention to the chin.

Yes, your attention was obviously riveted to her sparkling green eyes...

407 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:06:37am

re: #386 Cap'n DOC

Ben Steele, who documented the March of Death with his art, was true to his last name. That he retained his sense of humanity after what he went through is beyond me.

My neighbor was rescued from Cabanatuan - Ghost Soldiers and the movie The Great Escape. He didn't live to see it memorialized.

408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:07:04am

re: #344 JHW

Here's a book that takes to task, in rigorous detail, written with a
barely restrained rage, those second-guessers that say the atomic bombs
weren't necessary;

Tennozan, the Battle of Okinawa and the Atomic Bomb

A seldom heard argument for the use of the atomic bombs is that it prevented Japan from becoming another divided country like Germany or a battlefield like Korea. There is no way that Japan could have become the success that it has been in the last 50 years if Soviet forces occupied the northern half or set up a puppet dictator.

409 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:07:13am

re: #394 CIA Reject

There are a lot of people out there for whom it is impossible NOT to see the bombings in context.


In David McCullough's book "Truman", as you might imagine the decision to drop the bomb is covered quite a bit.
Apparently Harry Truman never expressed second thoughts afterward

410 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:07:44am

re: #399 Occasional Reader

So, wait; Eva Green doesn't have a pointy chin?!

nope. has a squared bottom.

you are talking to an expert here. don't forget that.

411 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:07:50am

re: #391 Occasional Reader

Hey, her work in Herbie: Fully Loaded redefined the genre.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

412 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:08:12am

re: #409 opnion

In David McCullough's book "Truman", as you might imagine the decision to drop the bomb is covered quite a bit.
Apparently Harry Truman never expressed second thoughts afterward

Yes, but then again give em hell Harry actually loved America....

413 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:08:35am

re: #403 cutestguy

Alexis has the pointy chin action going on....

not really. her's is squared off as well.

good try though.

414 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:08:40am

re: #383 Honorary Yooper

Don't know. She went to walk her cat

415 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:08:53am
416 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:09:00am

re: #397 Dr. Shalit

lawhawk -

Does anyone here remember who Al Capone's driver was? Try Anthony "Joe Batters" Accardo! Drivers of "Big Fish" are often bodyguards and confidants - don't be fooled.

-S-

John Gotti wasn't fooled.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

417 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:09:05am
418 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:09:37am

re: #387 Iron Fist

You're saying she's a stunt lesbian? Never heard of that one before, but you should know :-)

I hear that they're going to hire her for Folsom Street - The Documentary.

419 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:09:49am
420 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:10:03am

re: #384 FurryOldGuyJeans

And therefore is usually totally ignored
by most people, especially those on the Left. They just want to see the
bombings in isolation, with no context.

Kinda like how the see the bombs that the recent string of anti-war Iraq movies have been, instead of seeing them in the context of a movie going public that has no desire to see their country or her servicemen portrayed as victims at best or villains at worst.

421 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #396 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

OT, but this falls under "and you think you're having a bad day?" category.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

A great uncle of mine (now deceased) used to tell an allegedly true story about a guy he knew who worked for a funeral home. One day he and another worker were driving the hearse with a coffin in the back. The driver needed to take a leak, so they stopped, the driver went to find a secluded spot to do his business. Meanwhile, a hitchiker walked up and asked my great-uncle's friend if he could get a lift. "Sure, but there's no room in front, you'll have to ride in back with the coffin." No problem, says hitchiker, and gets in. The driver returns from his pee break, and they set off. Great-uncle's friend completely forgets to mention the hitchiker, who the driver can't see. Eventually the driver drove the hearse off the road when a voice called out from the back, "does anyone up there mind if I smoke?".

422 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:11:01am

re: #401 Kenneth

When is Lohan ever sober?

I think Dirk was refering to himself.

423 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:11:19am

re: #400 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

I can see that this thread is degenerating...


Charles, can we have another thread please?

Yes, please. Or I'll have to run to the store for more brain bleach.

424 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:12:58am

re: #420 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Kinda like how the see the bombs that the recent string of anti-war Iraq movies have been, instead of seeing them in the context of a movie going public that has no desire to see their country or her servicemen portrayed as victims at best or villains at worst.

Or a public that just wants some entertainment instead of a lot of sanctimonious preaching.

425 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:13:09am

re: #407 debutaunt

My neighbor was rescued from Cabanatuan - Ghost Soldiers and the movie The Great Escape. He didn't live to see it memorialized.

* * *
JOhn McCain and his fellow POWs are living testament that humans can survive such inhumanity & still remain human, caring loving people, willing to serve again!

Bless them all.

426 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:13:49am

re: #423 Cygnus

Hey, this thread has stunt lesbians on it! What could be more amusing than stunt lesbians?

427 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:13:52am

re: #412 doriangrey

Yes, but then again give em hell Harry actually loved America....

Yes he did love America. He was a man of moral character, so the decision had to weigh heavy on him, but he never went in search of absolution.
It seems that he was comfortable with his decision.
A lot of guys returned home & Started families because of him

428 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:13:54am

A discussion of the A-bomb & Japanese atrocities alongside of discussions of celebrity venereal diseases & "stunt lesbians." Just another day at LGF.

429 JHW  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:14:02am

re: #408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

a good argument and one I don't believe I've heard before. The Soviets quickly rolled through the Japanese Manchurian Army in the last 2 weeks of the war, and if it hadn't have been an island nation they would have definitely been there causing more future problems.

430 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:15:34am

re: #427 opnion

Yes he did love America. He was a man of moral character, so the decision had to weigh heavy on him, but he never went in search of absolution.
It seems that he was comfortable with his decision.
A lot of guys returned home & Started families because of him

Which is of course why the left now considers him a villain after Hitlers very own blackened soul...

431 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:16:31am

re: #420 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Kinda like how the see the bombs that the recent string of anti-war Iraq movies have been, instead of seeing them in the context of a movie going public that has no desire to see their country or her servicemen portrayed as victims at best or villains at worst.

Have you noticed that those troop bashing movies hit pay per view in a hurry?
Hollywood is so wedded to their far left mind set that they seem to be willing to lose money.

432 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:16:47am

Iron Fist,

Hey, this thread has stunt lesbians on it! What could be more amusing than stunt lesbians?

Tongue sprains are no laughing matter my friend.

433 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:17:07am

re: #426 Iron Fist

Hey, this thread has stunt lesbians on it! What could be more amusing than stunt lesbians?

Stunt lesbians?

Is this like those European condom ads?

434 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:18:00am

re: #430 doriangrey

And the Japanese were the victims in WWII. Of course, the Mohammedans have been the victims in the current war since 9-12-2001...

436 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:18:45am

re: #431 opnion

Have you noticed that those troop bashing movies hit pay per view in a hurry?
Hollywood is so wedded to their far left mind set that they seem to be willing to lose money.

Either that, or they are really interested in the worldwide market. All the US-hating Euro-weenies should love the movies.

437 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:19:08am

re: #432 Dirk Diggler

Iron Fist,

Tongue sprains are no laughing matter my friend.

Yup, thats why stunt lesbians exist, because its so easy for a amateur to get hurt....

438 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:19:10am

re: #425 alegrias

* * *
JOhn McCain and his fellow POWs are living testament that humans can survive such inhumanity & still remain human, caring loving people, willing to serve again!

Bless them all.

I heard Newt Gingrich talking on CSPAN Radio this morning. He recalled one time when he was in Congress, "during a period when I was causing grief for the Democrats"; one day he was chatting with McCain, and two "physically large, about six-four" Dem congressmen (he wouldn't identify them) walked up to him. They said, "we just want you to know, we're coming after you" (he stressed that they meant "politically", but that the physical initmidation factor was there). McCain immediately said, "then you're coming after me, too; the name's "McCain", M-C-C-A-I-N".

439 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:19:14am

re: #430 doriangrey

Which is of course why the left now considers him a villain after Hitlers very own blackened soul...

Which is absolutely outrageouis. Harry had courage & conviction.
All around he was a good guy although it appears that Bess was a beyouch.

440 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:19:37am

re: #431 opnion

Have you noticed that those troop bashing movies hit pay per view in a hurry?
Hollywood is so wedded to their far left mind set that they seem to be willing to lose money.

* * *
Let's go see "An American Carol" when it comes out, by Jerry Zucker the movie director willing to stick his neck out FOR America.

Plus, if I recall correctly, Paris Hilton is in "An American Carol."

441 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:19:45am

re: #415 buzzsawmonkey

People used to ask my father, frequently, whether he regretted working on the Bomb.

He always told them that he regretted not getting it done in time to drop it on Germany.

I can understand that sentiment, and a large part of the impetus behind the Manhattan project was in fact to beat the Germans to the Bomb, but as things worked out there was an "intangible" aspect to the Bomb which made it more effective against the Japanese than it would have been against the Germans. McCullough touches on it in his book on Truman, and it is something that is often ignored in the ironically Americentric rantings of the revisionists. Simply put the Bomb gave Hirohito an "honorable" means of surrender. In his statement of surrender Hirohito tells his people that he can't ask them to continue to fight against an enemy who would use such a terrible (and by implication "cowardly") weapon.

That dynamic was totally unnecessary with the Germans who were basically finished after Hitler was dead.

442 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #436 Kosh's Shadow

Either that, or they are really interested in the worldwide market. All the US-hating Euro-weenies should love the movies.


Did the movies do well in Europe?

443 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:20:15am

re: #434 Iron Fist

And the Japanese were the victims in WWII. Of course, the Mohammedans have been the victims in the current war since 9-12-2001...

To quite a few people they are; the US embargo after the invasion of China is what forced the Japanese into bombing Pearl. We (the US) were strangling their legitimate Imperial designs and so deserved what we got.

444 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:21:05am

re: #407 debutaunt

My neighbor was rescued from Cabanatuan - Ghost Soldiers and the movie The Great Escape. He didn't live to see it memorialized.

Did he ever talk about it?

445 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:21:20am

re: #439 opnion

Which is absolutely outrageouis. Harry had courage & conviction.
All around he was a good guy although it appears that Bess was a beyouch.

Well you know what they say about life and marrying one...

446 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:21:36am

OT, and more serious (than stunt lesbians, anyway :-), there's a petition to call back congress to take action on lowering gas prices. I don't expect it'll do any good, but it would be nice to hit the Squeaker of the House with about a million signatures.

447 wolfie  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:22:38am

re: #429 JHW

a good argument and one I don't believe I've heard before. The Soviets quickly rolled through the Japanese Manchurian Army in the last 2 weeks of the war, and if it hadn't have been an island nation they would have definitely been there causing more future problems.

ref to:
re: #408 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That is an argument I have never heard, too, and it is a very good one. Had the war gone on for much longer the Soviets might very well have launched an invasion from the north and seized whatever they could take........w/ or w/o a puppet Japenese dictator.
As it is, they still hold the Kurile Islands, including the bigger ones right next to Japan.

448 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:22:45am

re: #446 Iron Fist

but it would be nice to hit the Squeaker of the House with about a million signatures

You heartless bastard! She's trying to save the planet!

449 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:22:58am
450 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:23:07am

re: #446 Iron Fist

OT, and more serious (than stunt lesbians, anyway :-), there's a petition to call back congress to take action on lowering gas prices. I don't expect it'll do any good, but it would be nice to hit the Squeaker of the House with about a million signatures.

Wont do any good, she's from San Fransicko California, she creates her own reality where she goes...

451 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:23:19am

re: #438 Occasional Reader

I heard Newt Gingrich talking on CSPAN Radio this morning. He recalled one time when he was in Congress, "during a period when I was causing grief for the Democrats"; one day he was chatting with McCain, and two "physically large, about six-four" Dem congressmen (he wouldn't identify them) walked up to him. They said, "we just want you to know, we're coming after you" (he stressed that they meant "politically", but that the physical initmidation factor was there). McCain immediately said, "then you're coming after me, too; the name's "McCain", M-C-C-A-I-N".

* * *
That sounds in character.

McCain--with the broken shoulder sockets--would willingly tackle thugs twice his size--like he did after his plane crashed, while tied up, starved, denied food & medicine, and stabbed by bayonets.

My kind of President!

452 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:23:39am

re: #440 alegrias

Plus, if I recall correctly, Paris Hilton is in "An American Carol."

Does that really go in the "plus" column?

453 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:23:45am

re: #448 Occasional Reader

You heartless bastard! She's trying to save the planet!

Yes, but who is going to save the planet from her?

454 rightymouse  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:24:31am

re: #446 Iron Fist

"Squeaker of the House"

**snort**

455 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:25:08am

re: #442 opnion

Did the movies do well in Europe?

Bad movies don't do well anywhere, even if one likes the "message" of the movie. A movie has got to be entertaining first to be successful. So to answer your question, I don't know. I do know that Iron Man, a good old-fashioned American ass-kicking, did huge overseas. I should go over to dirtyharrysplace.com & see if anyone there knows the overseas numbers for these anti-war films.

456 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:25:39am

re: #438 Occasional Reader

Good on McCain.

457 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:25:42am

re: #446 Iron Fist

If only to watch how much she blinks when presented with it.

458 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:25:56am
459 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:26:09am

re: #451 alegrias

* * *
That sounds in character.

McCain--with the broken shoulder sockets--would willingly tackle thugs twice his size--like he did after his plane crashed, while tied up, starved, denied food & medicine, and stabbed by bayonets.

My kind of President!

Ok, I want to make sure that I have this. Both McCain & Kerry in Viet Nam. One guy a hero the other a fraud. Hmmm, which is which?
Well the Dems say Kerry

460 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:26:28am

re: #440 alegrias

* * *
Let's go see "An American Carol" when it comes out, by Jerry Zucker the movie director willing to stick his neck out FOR America.

Plus, if I recall correctly, Paris Hilton is in "An American Carol."

does she play "the whore of christmas past, present, or yet to come"?

461 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:27:14am

re: #442 opnion

Did the movies do well in Europe?

I suspected that Europe was the target market.

462 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:27:34am

re: #456 godfrey

Good on McCain.

Reminds me of that almost-believable Onion headline from a few months back: "McCain Declines Secret Service Protection, Dares Terrorists to 'Try Something'."

463 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:28:16am

re: #446 Iron Fist

OT, and more serious (than stunt lesbians, anyway :-), there's a petition to call back congress to take action on lowering gas prices. I don't expect it'll do any good, but it would be nice to hit the Squeaker of the House with about a million signatures.

Get enough signatures and maybe Bush might consider using his Constitutional prerogative.

464 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:28:27am
465 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:29:08am

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

I still am not sure if the Germans actually did try to build a bomb, or if its true, as their famous physicists (Heisenberg, Weizsaecker) maintained, that they bamboozled Hitler and engaged in make-believe bomb-building.

Does any Lizard have some information about this?

466 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:29:21am

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, Germany surrendered before the Trinity tests. And while it was feared that Germany was developing an atomic weapon, after the war it was found that they were far from having done so.

Many of the physicists and engineers who worked on the Bomb were, of course, Jews--some of them refugees, some of them, like my father, native-born Americans--and for them destroying the Nazi regime was, naturally, very important even before the full extent of the Nazi genocide was known.

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

467 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:30:12am

re: #460 Spider Mensch

does she play "the whore of christmas past, present, or yet to come"?

They probably clean up for the movie and just call her the 'trollop" of Chistmas Present

468 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:30:26am

Hamdan faces a possible maximum sentence of life in prison.

Back in 1947, this MFer would be swinging at the end of a rope after a 5-day military trial.....we've gone soft.

469 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:30:42am

re: #444 Occasional Reader

Did he ever talk about it?

Only generally - maybe he would have said more if I wasn't a young girl at the time. He did name his son after a man named William who had saved his life. His dreams must have been horrible.

470 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:30:51am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

Um... you're gonna have to source those two rather outlandish claims, please.

471 alegrias  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:31:01am

re: #452 Occasional Reader

Does that really go in the "plus" column?

* * *
Yes Occasional. Paris Hilton made more sense in two minutes than Pelosi has in two years about explorating for energy & fake change in the USA.

If Paris worked with Jerry Zucker in a pro-American movie, that's either career suicide or gutsy telling HOllywood liberals to go to Hades.

Paris is therefore braver & risking more than Pelosi, for our country.
Paris did a good thing by acting in a pro-American movie, and now by 'coming out' for drilling in America.

That's a good thing, in the words of Martha Stewart, another much malligned blonde.

Enough blonde bashing!

472 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:31:35am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

Link, or I'm calling BS

473 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:31:53am

re: #466 doriangrey

Links? Source?

474 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:31:59am

re: #442 opnion

Did the movies do well in Europe?

I don't know. Maybe they get "better" movies from places like Turkey.
Or maybe the movie-going public in Europe doesn't want to be preached to, either.

475 JHW  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:32:17am

Our first scrap with Japan was in 1863 when the USS Wyoming, searching for Confederate raiders in the Far East, did a number on the Japanese Navy. Bombadment of Shimonoseki
I can't find the reference quickly, but in the 19th century our Naval forces also bombarded Hue in Vietnam and had a battle on a Korean island in 1871 where if I remember correctly several of the Marine Corps landing party won Medals of Honor.
Shinmiyangyo

476 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:32:22am

re: #421 Occasional Reader

ROFLMAO! That is the funniest thing I've read in ages!

477 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:32:54am

re: #471 alegrias


Enough blonde bashing!

Paris Hilton-bashing isn't "blonde bashing".

Check out the video that doriangrey linked to in the previous thread, to get a glimpse of this dolt's personality.

478 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:32:57am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

Excuse Me?

479 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:33:04am

re: #471 alegrias

Considering the way she's been treated by her liberal "friends", I wouldn't be surprised if Paris Hilton wasn't ready for a change.

480 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #474 Kosh's Shadow

I don't know. Maybe they get "better" movies from places like Turkey.
Or maybe the movie-going public in Europe doesn't want to be preached to, either.

I do hope that those movies tanked.

481 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #466 doriangrey

Linkage please.

482 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:33:55am

re: #476 Kenneth

ROFLMAO! That is the funniest thing I've read in ages!

I can't even begin to tell it the way my great-uncle could. He was a classic Irish-style storyteller. (Now whether they were true or not... well...)

483 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:34:29am
484 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:34:48am

re: #460 Spider Mensch

does she play "the whore of christmas past, present, or yet to come"?



Cast list for An American Carol
. Don't see Miss Hilton's name on the list, but this could be the most awesome cast ensemble since The Magnificent Seven - Kelsey Grammer (as Patton!), James Woods, Dennis Hooper, Jon Voight, Leslie Neilsen, Robert Davi, Kevin Sorbo - even Bill O'Reilly!

485 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:34:56am
486 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:35:18am
the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat

So then I guess that whole "Manhattan Project" deal was just a big waste of time.

/

487 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:35:18am

re: #458 buzzsawmonkey

Of course, Germany surrendered before the Trinity tests. And while it was feared that Germany was developing an atomic weapon, after the war it was found that they were far from having done so.

Many of the physicists and engineers who worked on the Bomb were, of course, Jews--some of them refugees, some of them, like my father, native-born Americans--and for them destroying the Nazi regime was, naturally, very important even before the full extent of the Nazi genocide was known.

Another one - Enrico Fermi had a Jewish wife, and left Italy to keep her safe.

I find it interesting that the anti-Jewish programs of the Nazis sent to the US some of the very people who could have helped them win.

488 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:36:09am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

WTF seriously? Do you have any links for that nonsense or are you making some kind of obscure joke?

489 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:36:26am

re: #465 yma o hyd

I still am not sure if the Germans actually did try to build a bomb, or if its true, as their famous physicists (Heisenberg, Weizsaecker) maintained, that they bamboozled Hitler and engaged in make-believe bomb-building.

Does any Lizard have some information about this?

Heisenberg understood the basic physics but he pretty much screwed around with developing it to the extent that he was able to convince a Jewish baseball player not to shoot him.

490 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:36:52am

re: #483 buzzsawmonkey

I believe that that story has been debunked, but I could not give you sources other than to say that my father and my uncle, both of whom were on the Project, dismissed it as revisionist nonsense.

I believe the claim is that Heisenberg purposely sandbagged the project.

To the best of my knowledge, there has been no new evidence on the matter in fifty years, and there's not likely to be any now.

491 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:36:54am

so, was it Lt. John Kerry who commandeered the Uboat with the fissle material, saving America from doomsday ?

did he put in for a medal for this ?

492 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:37:03am

re: #482 Occasional Reader

That story is just too good to check!

493 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:37:08am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

I hope you simply forgot to add the sarc tag.

494 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:37:50am

re: #435 itellu3times

that was indeed a good read. well thought out. thanks!

495 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:37:54am
496 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:38:09am

re: #491 Adrenalyn

so, was it Lt. John Kerry who commandeered the Uboat with the fissle material, saving America from doomsday ?

did he put in for a medal for this ?

One of the Belushi brothers was in the movie.

497 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:38:11am

re: #490 itellu3times

I believe the claim is that Heisenberg purposely sandbagged the project.

I believe Heisenberg was asked about it, and never gave a clear answer.

498 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:38:19am

no, wait a second

it was Obama's father who saved us when he organized a mutiny on the Uboat and steered it over to Tinian

499 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:38:49am

re: #445 doriangrey

Well you know what they say about life and marrying one...


Back from lunch.. Dorian..couldn't eat the chicken..went for the salad and tuna melt..
Thanks for that..
/heh

500 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:38:52am

re: #465 yma o hyd

I still am not sure if the Germans actually did try to build a bomb, or if its true, as their famous physicists (Heisenberg, Weizsaecker) maintained, that they bamboozled Hitler and engaged in make-believe bomb-building.

Does any Lizard have some information about this?

There were recordings made where the scientists were kept in England after the war that indicate the Germans had a fundamental misunderstanding and thought they would need a lot more fissile material to make a bomb. They were trying, however. I believe these transcripts, "Fawn Hall" for the name of the place they were kept, are now available in book form.

501 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:39:05am

re: #471 alegrias

* * *
Yes Occasional. Paris Hilton made more sense in two minutes than Pelosi has in two years about explorating for energy & fake change in the USA.

If Paris worked with Jerry Zucker in a pro-American movie, that's either career suicide or gutsy telling HOllywood liberals to go to Hades.

Paris is therefore braver & risking more than Pelosi, for our country.
Paris did a good thing by acting in a pro-American movie, and now by 'coming out' for drilling in America.

That's a good thing, in the words of Martha Stewart, another much malligned blonde.

Enough blonde bashing!


Ventriloquist tells a blond joke.
A blond in the audience stands up & screams that" it is insensitive attitudes like that , that perpetuate the myth of the, "Dumb Blond."
The guy gets embarrassed & starts to apologize.
The Blond yells, "Shut up! I'm talking to the little shit on your knee."

502 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:39:22am

re: #498 Adrenalyn

no, wait a second

it was Obama's father who saved us when he organized a mutiny on the Uboat and steered it over to Tinian

No, that was the uncle in the attic

503 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:39:26am

re: #498 Adrenalyn

no, wait a second

it was Obama's father who saved us when he organized a mutiny on the Uboat and steered it over to Tinian

The Buck Henry movie?

504 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:39:51am
505 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:39:56am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

Little Boy was a uranium 235 bomb, while Fat Man was a U239 Plutonium bomb.

506 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:40:10am

re: #502 Creeping Eruption

No, that was the uncle in the attic

sorry, close but not quite
it was the uncle in the cabin

/ouch !

507 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:40:13am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

That brings back memories of my high school English teacher lecturing us on incorrect figures of speech, like "very unique," or "true facts."

"Either something is unique or it's not," she would say, "and who ever heard of a false fact?"

508 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:40:28am

I hope we politely asked him if knew the whereabouts of his boss...

509 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:40:36am

re: #498 Adrenalyn

no, wait a second

it was Obama's father who saved us when he organized a mutiny on the Uboat and steered it over to Tinian

... which in turn sparked the March on Selma, which is how Barry's parents met. It all makes sense now!

510 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:40:49am

re: #483 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks - that was more or less what I think must have happened: going down a wrong alley, and making out it was intentional after the war.

Now I will indeed have to get Anthony Beevor's 'Berlin' - apparently the Soviets thought there was a functioning atomic research project going on in Berlin and thats why they made such haste to get there first.

While all those amazing weapons projects like the V1 and V2, and those planes, were indeed what Hitler was after, we must also always remember that this 'success' was due to Speer using huge numbers of mostly Jewish slave labour, who were worked to death on these projects.

511 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:42:16am
512 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:42:25am

quoting from the "article"
which is really a comment like a blog posting


Like many documentaries aimed at creating entertainment for TV viewers, it is ultimately guilty of taking fragmented evidence to build a claim that isn’t entirely realistic.

/ahem

513 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:42:39am

re: #501 opnion

Ventriloquist tells a blond joke.
A
blond in the audience stands up & screams that" it is insensitive
attitudes like that , that perpetuate the myth of the, "Dumb Blond."
The guy gets embarrassed & starts to apologize.
The Blond yells, "Shut up! I'm talking to the little shit on your knee."

My favorite blonde joke:

A blonde woman police officer pulls over a blonde woman driver. The police officer says to the driver, "let me see your license." The driver says, "what's that?" The police officer replies, "it's a little rectangle thingy with your face on it & you keep it in your wallet." The driver says, "oh, I have one of those" & hands the police officer her pocket mirror. The police officer looks at it & says, "I'm sorry ma'am. I wouldn't have pulled you over if I knew you were a police officer, too."

514 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:43:07am

re: #489 CIA Reject

Thanks! Gotta get that book mentioned in your link ...

515 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:43:12am

re: #491 Adrenalyn

so, was it Lt. John Kerry who commandeered the Uboat with the fissle material, saving America from doomsday ?

did he put in for a medal for this ?


Why yes it was indeed Lt. Kerry. He then immediately labled the crew that delivered the bomb to be like Genghis Khan

516 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:43:28am

re: #504 doriangrey

German U-boat...

Japanese atomic bomb...

re: #511 buzzsawmonkey

I have to take issue with doriangray's #466 on the grounds that Japan, if I recollect, did not have an atomic-bomb project at all--that was, in fact, one of the reasons that used to be trotted out by moonbats for why it was "wrong" to have used the Bomb on them, and, by extension, why it was "racist" that we did so.

Those adhering to this line of argument would typically say that it would have been OK to use the Bomb on Germany, because they did have a bomb project--albeit an unsuccessful one. This is, of course, the same kind of whatever-the-US-actually-does-is-wrong argument that modern-day moonbats use to criticize our being in Iraq while not "doing something" about Darfur.

Sorry what I'm saying is documented, its real...

517 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:43:47am

Here is some info on Japans WWII nuclear program.

/Better duck dorian

518 guy_philly  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:43:52am

re: #105 Ben Hur

Is there an all time ding leader list?

FYI: Every time I come across someone who says, "All your [fill in the blank] are belong to us," I feel driven to ding them. The phrase has become about as irritating as yelling "First" when trying to be first on a blog thread and having nothing to say.

519 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:43:55am

re: #506 Adrenalyn

sorry, close but not quite
it was the uncle in the cabin

/ouch !

I knew there was a closeted uncle somewhere he trots out in discussions of war.

520 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:44:19am

re: #504 doriangrey

Well, those are very interesting links. Thank you for posting them.

521 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:44:26am

re: #519 Creeping Eruption

I knew there was a closeted uncle somewhere he trots out in discussions of war.

yes, and his uncles name was......

Tom

522 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:44:38am

re: #510 yma o hyd

Thanks - that was more or less what I think must have happened: going down a wrong alley, and making out it was intentional after the war.

Now I will indeed have to get Anthony Beevor's 'Berlin' - apparently the Soviets thought there was a functioning atomic research project going on in Berlin and thats why they made such haste to get there first.

While all those amazing weapons projects like the V1 and V2, and those planes, were indeed what Hitler was after, we must also always remember that this 'success' was due to Speer using huge numbers of mostly Jewish slave labour, who were worked to death on these projects.

The V2 killed more of the slaves working on it than it did in use as a weapon.
It was also unreliable. Reference for this is at home (in a book on the Air and Space Smithsonian)
(Yes, have starved, mistreated slave labor build a complicated device.)

523 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:45:25am

re: #521 Adrenalyn

yes, and his uncles name was......

Tom

I got it, but I was trying not to touch that one with a 10 foot pole.

524 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:45:37am

re: #516 doriangrey

Sorry what I'm saying is documented, its real...

Then, with all respect, could you furnish a link, or a lead so that we might see for ourselves?

525 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:45:39am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

you have sources for that? both sound rather fantanstic....

526 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:45:52am

re: #509 Occasional Reader

... which in turn sparked the March on Selma, which is how Barry's parents met. It all makes sense now!



March on Selma
? Is that the new reality dating show starring Selma Hayek?

527 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:13am

re: #515 opnion

Why yes it was indeed Lt. Kerry. He then immediately labled the crew that delivered the bomb to be like Genghis Khan

It was Gengis Khan's brother, Jenjis.

528 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:21am

re: #504 doriangrey

German U-boat...

Japanese atomic bomb...

On that first link:

She was carrying a cargo that comprised technical drawings, examples of the newest electric torpedoes, two Me 262 jet fighters in crates, and 560 kg of uranium oxide which was stored in her mine shafts, contained in about 50 9 inches (230 mm) lead cubes, with "U-235" painted on each. The exact characteristics of the uranium remain unknown but it is thought that it was not weapons-grade material.[1]

So much for Germany supplying the fuel for Fat Man and Little Boy.


On that second link:

Most startling–just six days after Hiroshima [not "two weeks before Trinity"], Japan tested its own atomic device on a small island 20 miles off the Korean coast.

... that link tracks back to the notoriously weird rense.com (chemtrails, anyone?). Uh, no thanks.

529 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:28am

re: #514 yma o hyd

Thanks! Gotta get that book mentioned in your link ...

You're welcome! Moe Berg was one of those truly remarkable individuals that the US seems to be blessed with in multitudes.

Of course on occasion we also get people like BO so it's not exactly all roses....

530 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:38am

re: #517 Bubblehead II

Here is some info on Japans WWII nuclear program.

/Better duck dorian

cyclotrons don't separate uranium.

centrifuges?

531 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:41am

re: #511 buzzsawmonkey

I have to take issue with doriangray's #466 on the grounds that Japan, if I recollect, did not have an atomic-bomb project at all--that was, in fact, one of the reasons that used to be trotted out by moonbats for why it was "wrong" to have used the Bomb on them, and, by extension, why it was "racist" that we did so.

Those adhering to this line of argument would typically say that it would have been OK to use the Bomb on Germany, because they did have a bomb project--albeit an unsuccessful one. This is, of course, the same kind of whatever-the-US-actually-does-is-wrong argument that modern-day moonbats use to criticize our being in Iraq while not "doing something" about Darfur.

And his link talks about cyclotrons to make fuel, not centrifuges. I think it was bogus.
But I believe there was a U-Boat carrying radioactive material to Japan that either surrendered to the US or was captured, and the uranium was used in the Manhattan project. I saw that on the History Channel or Military Channel (which doesn't make it 100% accurate, though)

532 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:44am

re: #500 Kosh's Shadow

There were recordings made where the scientists were kept in England after the war that indicate the Germans had a fundamental misunderstanding and thought they would need a lot more fissile material to make a bomb. They were trying, however. I believe these transcripts, "Fawn Hall" for the name of the place they were kept, are now available in book form.

Yes - thats what I was thinking of, too, but someone somewhere later said the Germans were well aware of the fact that the Brits were listening in on all their conversations, and were pulling the wool over the Brits' eyes ... something I can easily believe.

533 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:53am

re: #509 Occasional Reader

... which in turn sparked the March on Selma, which is how Barry's parents met. It all makes sense now!

THe best part is that when Barry's mother met his father, Barry was already four years old. That must mean that Barack Hussein marched at Selma himself as a four year old!

534 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:46:54am

re: #507 ErnieG

That brings back memories of my high school English teacher lecturing us on incorrect figures of speech, like "very unique," or "true facts."

"Either something is unique or it's not," she would say, "and who ever heard of a false fact?"

Any L3 will more than willing to supply false facts to support an agenda.

535 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:47:12am

re: #504 doriangrey

German U-boat...

Japanese atomic bomb...

re: #524 ErnieG

Then, with all respect, could you furnish a link, or a lead so that we might see for ourselves?

You mean like the ones in the post you responded to?

536 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:47:33am

re: #530 itellu3times

cyclotrons don't separate uranium.

centrifuges?

Didn't the Cyclotrons battle Buck Rogers?

537 looking closely  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:47:50am

re: #477 Occasional Reader

Paris Hilton-bashing isn't "blonde bashing".

Especially considering she's isn't even blonde (don't ask me if the curtains match the drapes).

538 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:47:57am
539 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:48:23am

re: #507 ErnieG

"Either something is unique or it's not," she would say, "and who ever heard of a false fact?"

Apparently she never listened to an Obama speech

540 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:48:23am

re: #529 CIA Reject

You're welcome! Moe Berg was one of those truly remarkable individuals that the US seems to be blessed with in multitudes.

Of course on occasion we also get people like BO so it's not exactly all roses....

Moe Berg - he could strike out in a dozen languages.
/forget what wag first said that.

541 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:48:34am

re: #532 yma o hyd

Yes - thats what I was thinking of, too, but someone somewhere later said the Germans were well aware of the fact that the Brits were listening in on all their conversations, and were pulling the wool over the Brits' eyes ... something I can easily believe.

Then the question becomes, why didn't Heisenberg and company succeed?

542 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:48:37am

re: #536 Creeping Eruption

Didn't the Cyclotrons battle Buck Rogers?

No no no, we're waiting to find out who the Final Cyclotron is on Battlestar Galactica.

543 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:48:43am

re: #517 Bubblehead II

"After Japan surrendered on 15 August 1945, the occupying US Army found five Japanese cyclotrons, which could be used to separate fissionable material from ordinary uranium."

Using 5 primative cyclotrons, Japan would have needed 20 years to produce enough HEU to produce one bomb. They certainly did not detonate an A-bomb on a Korean island.

544 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:48:51am

re: #516 doriangrey

Sorry what I'm saying is documented, its real...

Compared to this, the Troothers make perfect sense.

545 Creeping Eruption  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:49:38am

re: #542 Occasional Reader

No no no, we're waiting to find out who the Final Cyclotron is on Battlestar Galactica.

THATS IT! Sorry, not up to date on my 80's sci fi schows.

546 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:49:42am

re: #530 itellu3times

cyclotrons don't separate uranium.

centrifuges?

Calutrons.

547 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:49:52am

re: #504 doriangrey

German U-boat...

Japanese atomic bomb...

Strewth!

548 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:50:12am

re: #527 debutaunt

It was Gengis Khan's brother, Jenjis.


Did you notice that Kerry as a lad had a more pronounced Boston accent when he testified than he has now?

549 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:50:14am

re: #466 doriangrey

Those aren't interesting facts, but fanciful falsehoods.

No evidence exists that the Japanese nuclear program ever got as far as producing weapons grade uranium or plutonium, let along sufficient quantities to detonate a weapon.

The amount of fissile materials claimed to be on board the captured U-boat would have exceeded the total amount produced by the US effort. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

550 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:50:19am

re: #516 doriangrey

Sorry, but when listening to the radio and George Noory on Coast to Coast late at night, please train your attention to loading up your bong or you'll waste some good dope!

551 JHW  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:50:26am

Wiki article on Shinmiyangyo, 1871, interesting albumen photo of the fort after its capture by US Marines and sailors.9 sailors and 6 Marines won the Medal of Honor.
US Expedition to Korea
What little information I can dig up right now on the bombardment of Hue, then called Tourane, was that it was in 1845 by the USS Constitution under Capt. John Percival.

552 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:51:12am

re: #48 ploome hineni

I don't think those are provided in supermax. Yes he will get a prayer rug and a Koran, but that is about it. When you are in solitary for the rest of your life, nobody hears you whine.

553 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #530 itellu3times

cyclotrons don't separate uranium.

centrifuges?

Good catch. Cyclotrons are used to accelerate sub-atomic particles or ions.

554 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:51:26am

re: #516 doriangrey

Sorry what I'm saying is documented, its
real...

If you really want to believe that Japan tested the world's first atomic bomb, go right ahead.

555 looking closely  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:51:42am

re: #537 looking closely

Blonde moment myself. . .
That's CARPETS matching the drapes.

556 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:52:07am

re: #548 opnion

Did you notice that Kerry as a lad had a more pronounced Boston accent when he testified than he has now?

That was a Boston accent? I thought it was an pompous asshole accent.
Though IIRC, that wasn't Kerry speaking in those ads, it was an actor. Either the original testimony wasn't recorded or wasn't released for political ads.

557 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:52:08am

re: #517 Bubblehead II

Here is some info on Japans WWII nuclear program.

/Better duck dorian

Blimey!

558 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:52:23am

Doriangrey

no response to my #512
where I pointed out that in the "Article"
the author essentially debunks it all in one nice tidy place

I'd be embarrassed to post that link

but hey, I find shit no one else does
to put it in Ebonics
the official langauage of Oakland
capital of black America

559 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:52:33am

re: #546 CIA Reject

Calutrons.

Could be. Thought someone was mentioning something similar regarding Iran, just the other day. Come to think of it, I believe they said it was impractically slow for the purpose.

560 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:52:36am

re: #549 lawhawk

Those aren't interesting facts, but fanciful falsehoods.

No evidence exists that the Japanese nuclear program ever got as far as producing weapons grade uranium or plutonium, let along sufficient quantities to detonate a weapon.

The amount of fissile materials claimed to be on board the captured U-boat would have exceeded the total amount produced by the US effort. It doesn't pass the sniff test.

I think you are perhaps forgetting just how feverishly the US government attempted to silence any information regarding nuclear weapons back in the 40's and 50's.

561 looking closely  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:52:48am

re: #554 Occasional Reader

If you really want to believe that Japan tested the world's first atomic bomb, go right ahead.

If they had, the conclusion of the war would certainly have been different.

562 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:53:11am

re: #548 opnion

Did you notice that Kerry as a lad had a more pronounced Boston accent when he testified than he has now?

I haven't been able to listen - I look at his goofy face and double up laughing.

563 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:53:22am

re: #535 doriangrey

You mean like the ones in the post you responded to?

A Wikipedia article, vague on details, and a History Channel video, is hardly documentation one can take to the bank.

564 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:53:59am

re: #556 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That was a Boston accent? I thought it was an pompous asshole accent.
Though IIRC, that wasn't Kerry speaking in those ads, it was an actor. Either the original testimony wasn't recorded or wasn't released for political ads.


Whatever he was doing , his speech pattern was very contrived.

565 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:54:00am

re: #559 itellu3times

Could be. Thought someone was mentioning something similar regarding Iran, just the other day. Come to think of it, I believe they said it was impractically slow for the purpose.

Yes, they are.

566 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:54:43am

re: #531 Kosh's Shadow

From dorians second link.

Like many documentaries aimed at creating entertainment for TV viewers, it is ultimately guilty of taking fragmented evidence to build a claim that isn’t entirely realistic. Still, it is interesting to think of the historical “what ifs” of Japan’s atomic weapons program.

567 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:54:44am

re: #504 doriangrey

German U-boat...

Japanese atomic bomb...

The submarine uranium was not weapons grade according to wiki. So Japan had a research program. Hitler had a research program. England had a research program. Hell even Canada had a research program. The "evidence" that they were actually getting anywhere is short of little green men territory. Not up to little green lizards standards for proof.

568 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:54:52am
569 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:55:08am

re: #432 Dirk Diggler

This to a guy with the NIC Iron Fist?

570 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:55:30am

Fellow Lizards, I'm afraid we have another Globular Cluster event.

571 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:55:35am

re: #562 debutaunt

I haven't been able to listen - I look at his goofy face and double up laughing.

Why the long face John?

572 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:55:53am

re: #543 Kenneth

"After Japan surrendered on 15 August 1945, the occupying US Army found five Japanese cyclotrons, which could be used to separate fissionable material from ordinary uranium."

Using 5 primative cyclotrons, Japan would have needed 20 years to produce enough HEU to produce one bomb. They certainly did not detonate an A-bomb on a Korean island.

The Iranians have maybe 6,000 working at it now?

573 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:56:01am

Jengis is the proper pronounciation of Ghengis.

Just an FYI.

Just in case you ever meet a Ghengis.

Like I did.

574 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:56:03am

re: #536 Creeping Eruption

Didn't the Cyclotrons battle Buck Rogers?

I thought they were decepticons...

575 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:56:15am
576 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:56:21am

re: #530 itellu3times

At the time, the US was working with three different types of enrichment systems - calutrons, gaseous diffusion, and centrifuges.

577 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:56:39am

re: #560 doriangrey

I think you are perhaps forgetting just how feverishly the US government attempted to silence any information regarding nuclear weapons back in the 40's and 50's.

Oh my God.

578 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:57:03am

Dorian....

from the same History Channel that in August of 2007
gave us a show about the top secret US involvement in 9/11 ?

yeah, they are really reliable and unbiased
for troothers

579 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:57:09am

Y'all know how I and fellow 'Nam Vets think about hanoi john the traitor, please don't talk about that POS!

581 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:58:08am

re: #558 Adrenalyn

Doriangrey

no response to my #512
where I pointed out that in the "Article"
the author essentially debunks it all in one nice tidy place

I'd be embarrassed to post that link

but hey, I find shit no one else does
to put it in Ebonics
the official langauage of Oakland
capital of black America

I will call this as both off topic and racist.

582 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:58:45am

re: #563 ErnieG

A Wikipedia article, vague on details, and a History Channel video, is hardly documentation one can take to the bank.

Order your copy today from the History Channel. Apparently they still stand behind their research.

583 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:58:54am

re: #558 Adrenalyn

Doriangrey

no response to my #512
where I pointed out that in the "Article"
the author essentially debunks it all in one nice tidy place

I'd be embarrassed to post that link

but hey, I find shit no one else does
to put it in Ebonics
the official langauage of Oakland
capital of black America


No oakland bashing.. In chinatown they have the best chinese food i have ever had..
Oakland..Capital of China

584 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:59:19am

re: #581 lifeofthemind

I will call this as both off topic and racist.

then you were not reading the Obama thread of yesterday where he moved to Chicago, capital of black America

have no sense of humor
and did not read Doriangrey's post about Japan

585 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 10:59:57am

re: #583 HoosierHoops

No oakland bashing.. In chinatown they have the best chinese food i have ever had..
Oakland..Capital of China

indeed
Silver Dragon has the best butterfly prawns in the world

Econo Cafe has a good counter lunch menu

586 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:00:19am

re: #541 itellu3times

Then the question becomes, why didn't Heisenberg and company succeed?

That is indeed the money question!
I do not believe that Heisenberg was too dumb to see he was going down a blind alley.
On the other hand - I refuse to believe that he was sort of secretly working against Hitler and making out they couldn't do it.
Personally, I think they did work on it but did not have the resources needed and were not able to convince Speer, especially from 1944 onwards, that this was a war-deciding weapon which needed fundsing taken from other, more obvious stuff like the V1 and V2 programs.
In 1944, Germany was, after all, under constand bombardment by the Allies, and manpower was pretty much nonexistent, shall we say ...

I do think the German phusicist, after the war, made themselves look whiter that white - but its thanks to the Allied bombs and the invasion that they didn't get to make the bomb.
Thats what I think ...

587 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:00:20am

re: #581 lifeofthemind

I will call this as both off topic and racist.

W00t w00t, I win.............

588 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:00:44am

re: #576 lawhawk

At the time, the US was working with three different types of enrichment systems - calutrons, gaseous diffusion, and centrifuges.

Isn't that how they cook the oysters on City Island?

589 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:01:26am

re: #571 opnion

Why the long face John?

/hey John, Mr. Ed called and he wants his face back

590 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:01:38am

[Link: tnr.com...]

Via HotAIr.

Notice that the athletes knew about Nazi persecution in 1936.

It only took the NYTIMES 8 more years.

591 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:02:13am

re: #560 doriangrey

I think you are perhaps forgetting just how feverishly the US government attempted to silence any information regarding nuclear weapons back in the 40's and 50's.

Troof!

592 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:02:16am

re: #580 MandyManners

Just poop already, I'm thirsty!

593 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:02:22am

re: #571 opnion

Why the long face John?

Redneck joke. Guy walks into a bar and tells the bartender, "Hey, Jackass, get me a beer."

Bartender does. Another customer asks, "Why do you let that guy call you jackass?"

Bartender says, "Aw he aw, he aw, he always calls me that."

594 Adrenalyn  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:02:35am

re: #589 Killian Bundy

/hey John, Mr. Ed called and he wants his face back

didn't Mister Ed have sex with Reggie the Comic's mom
in The Nutty Professor

595 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:02:59am

re: #573 Ben Hur

Jengis is the proper pronounciation of Ghengis.

Just an FYI.

Just in case you ever meet a Ghengis.

Like I did.


I once met his sister Shaka.

596 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:03:26am

re: #587 doriangrey

W00t w00t, I win.............

Uh, right. That's the same History Channel that pimps Nostradamus.

Please.

You honestly think Japan tested the world's first A-bomb, that it's been kept secret all these years (the Koreans didn't notice, apparently), and that the fucking History Channel has the troof?

597 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:03:32am

re: #579 'Nam Grunt

Y'all know how I and fellow 'Nam Vets think about hanoi john the traitor, please don't talk about that POS!

here i'll grab you a cold one grunt..
Dear Mr. Kerry
BAM!
/there..better?

598 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:03:33am

re: #560 doriangrey

Actually, the US would want the world to know that the Japanese got close to developing a nuclear weapon since the anti-nuclear crowd often argued that there was no reason to drop nuclear weapons on Japan since they weren't close to developing it. If the Japanese were indeed as close as those links proclaim, then the US was more than justified in bombing Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

The Manhattan Project scientists likewise didn't think it was ethical to drop atomic weapons on Japan since they knew that Japan didn't have a nuclear program nearly as advanced as their own. When the scientists learned that the German project wasn't nearly as far advanced, some began questioning further development since the threat had passed.

There's also a curious lack of corroborating details from the Japanese themselves over their nuclear program - and there's no record of any such test ever having been carried out.

Their nuclear program was further along than most folks generally realize, but it never got to the point of assembling a device. Much of their capabilities were due to shared info/materials from the German efforts.

599 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:03:35am

re: #578 Adrenalyn

Dorian....

from the same History Channel that in August of 2007
gave us a show about the top secret US involvement in 9/11 ?

yeah, they are really reliable and unbiased
for troothers

Really? I remember they had a documentary debunking 9/11 conspiracies.

600 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:03:48am

re: #591 Vergeltung

Troof!

Here's a hint for you... Who were the last two Americans tried, convicted and executed for treason, and what did they do....

601 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:03:49am

re: #573 Ben Hur

Jengis is the proper pronounciation of Ghengis.
Just an FYI.
Just in case you ever meet a Ghengis.
Like I did.

you speak ancient Mongol? cool.

/

602 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:05:06am

re: #563 ErnieG

You did notice that among the sources for the article was a short story? Fiction, in other words?

603 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:05:06am

re: #596 Occasional Reader


I like the way Orson Wells says, "Quatraine."

604 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:05:18am

re: #543 Kenneth

Agreed.

Here is another link about Japans nuclear program. It lacks citations though, so take it with a grain of salt.

605 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:05:27am

re: #504 doriangrey

German U-boat...

Nowhere in your wiki link is there even a hint for your claim that the U was used by the US for their bombs. Man, when you spin you really go off track.

================================================== =
Japanese atomic bomb...

A blog second-handedly makes claims about a History Channel documentary? The same History Channel that is utterly obsessed with UFOs, aliens, global warming, and is known to produce sham documentaries about secret US involvement in 911?

606 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:05:36am

re: #601 Vergeltung

you speak ancient Mongol? cool.

/

Why yes. Yes I do.

LOL!

607 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:05:58am

re: #582 doriangrey

Order your copy today from the History Channel. Apparently they still stand behind their research.

I guess it must be "true" then, they're selling this DVD too:

The Unexplained: Psychic Detectives DVD

608 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:06:01am

re: #579 'Nam Grunt

Seconded.

609 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:06:30am

re: #605 FurryOldGuyJeans

A blog second-handedly makes claims about a History Channel documentary? The same History Channel that is utterly obsessed with UFOs, aliens, global warming, and is known to produce sham documentaries about secret US involvement in 911?

It must be true! He read it on the internet!

610 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:06:41am

re: #600 doriangrey

Here's a hint for you... Who were the last two Americans tried, convicted and executed for treason, and what did they do....

Thr Rosenbergs for passing Nuclear secrets to the Russians?

611 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:07:18am

BEN HUR

Did you see the Nissan commercial from Israel.

Bwhahahahah.

612 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:07:46am

FACT: On May 2, 1945, the Japanese Imperial Air Force detonated an atomic bomb over Detroit, Michigan. Nobody noticed.

613 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:03am

Comic book time. BBL

614 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:24am

DIRK DIGGLER I'M WATCHING YOU

615 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:25am

re: #610 opnion

Thr Rosenbergs for passing Nuclear secrets to the Russians?

Yep, and this apparently proves that Japan had the first A-bomb....

616 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:39am

re: #582 doriangrey

They don't "stand behind their research", they stand behind making some money on a piece of "could it be?" that provokes people into believing silly stuff and wasting their money.

617 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:46am

re: #613 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Comic book time. BBL

No, it's lunchtime.

618 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:48am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

FACT: On May 2, 1945, the Japanese Imperial Air Force detonated an atomic bomb over Detroit, Michigan. Nobody noticed.

That would explain the condition of much of the city.

BBL, for realsies.

619 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:08:58am

re: #546 CIA Reject

Calutrons.

Exactly. One can go see them on a tour, every once in a while. Must be a US citizen. So moonbats are allowed.

620 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:09:15am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

FACT: On May 2, 1945, the Japanese Imperial Air Force detonated an atomic bomb over Detroit, Michigan. Nobody noticed.

As if anyone would....

621 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:09:39am

re: #615 Occasional Reader

Yep, and this apparently proves that Japan had the first A-bomb....

What am I missing?

622 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:09:45am

re: #600 doriangrey

Here's a hint for you... Who were the last two Americans tried, convicted and executed for treason, and what did they do....

they were clearly guilty as charged. less so the female. they had friends and associates who were friendly to the soviets. soviet files opened after the cold warm confirm their guilt.

spare me...

623 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:10:02am

re: #288 The Other Les

Question number two: Should waterboarding be replaced by snowboarding?

Marine: Welcome to the fine State of Colorado, n*mbn*ts! This is a snowboard! You will ride this snowboard down the side of this (very steep) mountain! You will have fun!

Jihadi: But fun is forbidden in Islam!

Marine: Well that's too f*ck*ng bad, n*mbn*ts! [SHOVE!]

Jihadi: AHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Now dramatized for your listening pleasure!

624 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:10:37am

re: #600 doriangrey

If you're referring to espionage, not treason, then you're likely referring to the Rosenbergs, who passed along nuclear secrets to the Soviets. Treason is a very specific crime - outlined per the US Constitution. (Art III, Sec. 3)

However, the list of people who have been charged, let alone convicted and sentenced to death for treason is a short one.

625 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:10:54am

re: #224 Occasional Reader

Racist, typical white person.

626 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:11:08am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

FACT: On May 2, 1945, the Japanese Imperial Air Force detonated an atomic bomb over Detroit, Michigan. Nobody noticed.


When that did not have the desired effect, a second was dropped on Newark.

627 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:11:14am

re: #615 Occasional Reader

Yep, and this apparently proves that Japan had the first A-bomb....

No, it proves the lengths that the US government was willing to go to in order to conceal any information regarding nuclear weapons.

628 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:11:34am

re: #598 lawhawk

The US was more than justified using the bombs whether Japan had a similar weapons program or not.

629 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:12:20am

re: #627 doriangrey

No, it proves the lengths that the US government was willing to go to in order to conceal any information regarding nuclear weapons.

Speaking troof to power!

630 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:12:24am

re: #616 Dianna

They don't "stand behind their research", they stand behind making some money on a piece of "could it be?" that provokes people into believing silly stuff and wasting their money.

heck the good people of Roswell, NM makes a living on that.

631 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:12:32am

re: #600 doriangrey

Ah...you can't bring the Rosenbergs in on this. It won't work.

632 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:12:46am

re: #292 gop_patriot

Goodness gracious. Talk about SHOVING THE IMAGERY UP YER WAZOOOOOOO.

Dear MSM, we GET that you think he's the Messiah.

DUH!

633 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:12:55am

re: #628 Silhouette

I agree. It ended the war sooner and did so at a lesser loss of life than a planned invasion.

634 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:13:14am

re: #626 opnion

When that did not have the desired effect, a second was dropped on Newark.

Which everyone mistakenly assumed was a US government urban blight clean up program....

635 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:13:22am

OR,

FACT: On May 2, 1945, the Japanese Imperial Air Force detonated an atomic bomb over Detroit, Michigan. Nobody noticed.

The fallout turned my grandfather into a newt. He got better.

636 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:13:26am

re: #627 doriangrey

No, it proves the lengths that the US government was willing to go to in order to conceal any information regarding nuclear weapons.

troof!< I tell you, troof!

(psst. I think you are hanging out on the wrong blog)

637 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:13:40am
638 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:13:50am

re: #605 FurryOldGuyJeans

They're in it for the money, and it's hard to fill airtime.

That doesn't excuse them, but it does explain some of the lunacy.

639 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:14:16am

re: #465 yma o hyd

I still am not sure if the Germans actually did try to build a bomb, or if its true, as their famous physicists (Heisenberg, Weizsaecker) maintained, that they bamboozled Hitler and engaged in make-believe bomb-building.

Does any Lizard have some information about this?

According to what I've read, some of this info was divulged by German scientists, talking among themselves while in custody in Britain about the time the war in Europe ended. Unknown to the detainees, some of the rooms were bugged.

IIRC, it was mentioned in Brighter than a Thousand Suns: A Personal History of the Atomic Scientists (Paperback) by Robert Jungk

640 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:14:19am

re: #635 Dirk Diggler

Hahahaha.

Just had to get even.

641 rightymouse  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:14:19am

re: #628 Silhouette

The US was more than justified using the bombs whether Japan had a similar weapons program or not.

And Truman agonized over his decision.

David McCullough wrote a solid biography of Truman. Worth reading.

642 lori lane  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:14:22am

re: #550 'Nam Grunt

Sorry, but when listening to the radio and George Noory on Coast to Coast late at night,!

i'm sooooo glad i finally bought an iPod to put myself to sleep at night, b/c Coast to Coast is the only thing that comes in clear at night on AM radio in these here parts. :)

643 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:14:29am

re: #627 doriangrey

Time for you to stop eating all those paint chips.

644 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:14:56am

In other historical news:


Experts find theatre where Shakespeare plays first staged

The remains of a London theatre where William Shakespeare's early plays including "Romeo And Juliet" were first performed have been discovered by archaeologists, a museum said Wednesday.

Shakespeare appeared at The Theatre in Shoreditch, east London, as an actor with a troupe called The Lord Chamberlain's Men, which also performed his efforts as a playwright there.

Outstanding find. Good for Shakespeare, that old biddy. Still going strong!

645 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:15:07am

re: #621 opnion

A sense of humor?

646 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:15:12am

re: #623 Macker

Now dramatized for your listening pleasure!

Oh! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

647 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:15:17am

re: #639 abolitionist

Many of the Jewish scientists who would have been in a good position to help with weapons technology left Germany before the war.

648 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:15:26am

re: #628 Silhouette

The US was more than justified using the bombs whether Japan had a similar weapons program or not.

I believe that is the issue. The nuclear destruction was horrible, but japan intended to fight on. The loss of American lives, like Mar5ines storming more beaches against fortified positions was not acceptable

649 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:15:42am

re: #622 Vergeltung

Not just Soviet files, but also the declassified Venona transcripts.

650 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:16:02am

Hey Dorian, why don't you volunteer to ride the 1st nuke into Iran from Israel, think about the legacy you would leave behind, kind of like St. Pancake we need a new bitch to talk about, smoke bud, smoke!

651 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:16:10am

re: #649 Dianna

Venona reading = required reading on the topic.

652 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:16:55am

re: #627 doriangrey

Oh, dear. No, the Rosenbergs were spies; it had a great deal less to do with passing atomic secrets than simply the passing of secrets.

Besides, there was good evidence to convict them.

653 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:17:09am

re: #627 doriangrey

No, it proves the lengths that the US government was willing to go to in order to conceal any information regarding nuclear weapons.

The fact that the US gov protects nuclear information is not evidence in support or in opposition to the two wiki stories linked above.

654 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:17:15am

re: #611 WriterMom

BEN HUR

Did you see the Nissan commercial from Israel.

Bwhahahahah.


Yes.

VEry accurate.

I hope the Saudis make a big deal out of it so it will be shown all over the world. People will say, well, uhm....it's true.

655 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:17:17am

re: #649 Dianna

Not just Soviet files, but also the declassified Venona transcripts.

The depths of Anti-Americanism laid bare.

656 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:17:39am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

FACT: On May 2, 1945, the Japanese Imperial Air Force detonated an atomic bomb over Detroit, Michigan. Nobody noticed.

No, through a secret Japanese time travel experiment, the bomb went off in lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001.
/do I need to?

657 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:18:05am

re: #611 WriterMom

BEN HUR

Did you see the Nissan commercial from Israel.

Bwhahahahah.

Got a link, WMom?

658 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:18:07am

re: #645 Cap'n DOC

A sense of humor?

Well, I got that.

659 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:18:33am

re: #656 Kosh's Shadow

No, through a secret Japanese time travel experiment, the bomb went off in lower Manhattan on Sept. 11, 2001.
/do I need to?

And here I thought some French dude proved it was at the Pentagon that day. Silly me. ;)

660 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:18:48am

re: #649 Dianna

Not just Soviet files, but also the declassified Venona transcripts.

yeah. I hear ya.

661 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:19:02am

re: #654 Ben Hur

BEN HUR.

Husband just discovered a new intertube site where you can watch soccer games and all other kinds of sports matches LIVE. He's watching the Poland vs. Beitar game today. YALLA YALLA BEITAR.

662 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:19:36am

re: #657 Know Your Enemy

See my 113

663 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:19:48am

re: #661 WriterMom

BEN HUR.

Husband just discovered a new intertube site where you can watch soccer games and all other kinds of sports matches LIVE. He's watching the Poland vs. Beitar game today. YALLA YALLA BEITAR.

Beitar fans.

Peeeeeeesh.

664 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:20:30am

re: #627 doriangrey

dorian, please pay a little attention, here:

First Soviet detonation of an atomic bomb: August 7, 1949.

Execution of the Rosenbergs: June 19, 1953.

The issue was spying, not what the atomic secrets.

665 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:20:51am
666 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:21:00am

re: #661 WriterMom

BEN HUR.

Husband just discovered a new intertube site where you can watch soccer games and all other kinds of sports matches LIVE. He's watching the Poland vs. Beitar game today. YALLA YALLA BEITAR.

soccer; is that the game where they play all those exciting 0-0, or 1-0 games?

;P

667 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:21:30am

re: #657 Know Your Enemy

Oh, I like that version of my name WMom. LOL.

LINK!

AND, I translated the Hebrew-BenHur can confirm...

You ruined my home! May G-d ruin your house!

May the Nazis peck off your head day and night.

May the hot sun melt you and whoever created you.

May G-d take you!

[Voiceover..when you are this good on gas obviously the gas shieks (not clear) won't like you]

Cursed is the Father of Tilda!

The Arabic curses sound better in Arabic, anything in Arabic that uses the "mother of" or "father of" is serious cursing...they will kill you for cursing their mothers and sisters.

668 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:21:30am

re: #662 Bubblehead II


Thanks!

669 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:21:34am

re: #665 buzzsawmonkey

I don't understand how the execution of the Rosenbergs is supposed to prove something about the quality of Japan's wartime nuclear program. Is there anything resembling a logical connection there?

da troof!

670 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:21:41am

re: #665 buzzsawmonkey

I don't understand how the execution of the Rosenbergs is supposed to prove something about the quality of Japan's wartime nuclear program. Is there anything resembling a logical connection there?

Only for dorian, apparently. He(?) is giving off something that is destroying the ozone, that's for sure.

671 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:21:54am

Planet of the Apes on the History Channel?

I turned on the History Channel last night to see what was on and maybe get a good dose of history. However, I was immediately confused. I found myself watching a show about an astronaut who crashed on a planet populated by human fearing talking apes.

/'nuff said

672 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:22:08am

re: #663 Ben Hur

OMG do not even THINK that around my husband.

673 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:22:26am

re: #611 WriterMom

The Saudi's are upset about a commercial which realistically portrays the behavior of Arabs we see on the news everyday? Behavior which the Arabs themselves are proud to display? Are we talking about the same Saudi Arabia which just arrested & deported 15 Christians for the crime of praying? The same Saudi Arabia where officials call Jews the sons of apes and pigs are complaining of racism?

Yes? Thank goodness, because I don't get enough irony in my life.

674 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:22:45am

re: #667 WriterMom


much obliged...

675 Glackinspeil  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:22:47am

OT, but I think the lizards will get a kick......
For a recent assignment in my graduate course in economics we were given a draft of the Obama healthcare reform plan.The assignment was to answer the following multiple choice question with an essay supporting the conclusion.

Barack Obama....
A. Never took economics at college level.
B. Took economics and failed it.
C. Took economics, did well, but has since forgotten everything he learned.
D. Will say anything to get elected.

80% of our class is conservative and we were cracking up. We are more used to radical left professors.

676 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:22:56am

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

The Manhattan Project was multiple parallel efforts. As each line of inquiry ran into the dead end resources would be shifted to still active lines of research. Which is one of the reasons we had two different devices, two lines ended up successful,. Germany didn't have the resources for the massive parallel effort, they picked what the thought was the most promising and stuck with that.

677 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:04am

Oops. The car name is Tinda, not Tilda.

678 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:05am

NYT is running scared

In an informal office poll of VF editors, some of us see this survey as an indication of a new, “touchy feely” Times; others used the words “paranoid and frightened.” And still others wondered whether this was commissioned by the publisher, or the editorial side of the paper. As one editor queried: “How would you feel if the publisher was asking these kinds of questions about the editorial content? If I were a reporter, I’d be furious.”

679 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:07am

re: #666 Vergeltung

soccer; is that the game where they play all those exciting 0-0, or 1-0 games?

;P

No.

That's American football.

That's why you get 6 points a touchdown.

Otherwise it would be 1-1 1/2 most of the time.

680 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:10am

re: #665 buzzsawmonkey

I don't understand how the execution of the Rosenbergs is supposed to prove something about the quality of Japan's wartime nuclear program. Is there anything resembling a logical connection there?

That threw me to. Apparently it was an attempt at humor.

681 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:13am

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

Think German Heavy Water. I'm sixty, and I remember growing up in the era of Fallout Shelters and Civil Defense shifts by my folks who watched the skies for Russian invaders.

682 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:33am

re: #673 Kenneth

Look at the link on Hot Air, it has the Saudi comeback.

683 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:23:33am

I told a dear friend on another site that I had to shower and go about my day and popped in to see what you rascals were up to, and can't leave now that Dorian is too fun to play with, like a cat with a ball of yarn it is. LOLOL

684 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:24:24am

re: #651 WriterMom

It is. I have it on my Russia shelf. It didn't tell me anything I didn't know from careful reading, but it's nice to see it all confirmed in the words of the participants.

685 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:24:27am

re: #658 opnion

LOL. I was certain you did!

686 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:24:30am

re: #637 buzzsawmonkey

Yes - the sheer mindpower of all those involved is staggering. In the end, it did come down to more and better resources of everything, brains as well as material.
What is also staggering is the fact that so many of the thigns we take for granted today had their roots in research in WWII: radar, computers, encryption, jet flight, rocket science ...
War is indeed the mother of invention.

687 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:24:57am

re: #666 Vergeltung

Soccer, that's the game where the players run after the ball, and then they try to score goals by kicking the ball past a whole bunch of players protecting their pee-pees.

688 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:25:12am

re: #685 Cap'n DOC

LOL. I was certain you did!

Roger that

689 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:25:22am

re: #664 Dianna

dorian, please pay a little attention, here:

First Soviet detonation of an atomic bomb: August 7, 1949.

Execution of the Rosenbergs: June 19, 1953.

The issue was spying, not what the atomic secrets.

One question I always ask people to see if they understand the issues in the Rosenberg case is: "How long did Julius Rosenberg work on the Manhattan project?"

690 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:25:25am

re: #684 Dianna

Exactly.

691 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:25:43am

BBL

692 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:26:17am

re: #665 buzzsawmonkey

No, it's supposed to show that the US government can keep secrets.

/deadpan.

693 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:26:31am

I have Redleg on the horn but need coordinates for Dorian, smoke out!

694 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:27:05am

re: #652 Dianna

Oh, dear. No, the Rosenbergs were spies; it had a great deal less to do with passing atomic secrets than simply the passing of secrets.

Besides, there was good evidence to convict them.

Between the Vernona intercepts, and the KGB files. It shows that the Rosenbergs, Hiss and the others where indeed guilty and the McCarthy was in most respects vindicated.

695 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:27:37am

re: #647 WriterMom

Many of the Jewish scientists who would have been in a good position to help with weapons technology left Germany before the war.

And thank God for that!
If Hitler had kept them - Europe would have had the boot of fascism on its face, for a very long time, perhaps even now.
And there wouldn't have been an Israel, thats for sure ...
Horrible thoughts!

696 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:27:44am

re: #666 Vergeltung

soccer; is that the game where they play all those exciting 0-0, or 1-0 games?

;P


ESPN tried airing some topless ladies soccer matches and men in the USA still wouldn't watch..
/

697 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:27:46am

re: #689 CIA Reject

One question I always ask people to see if they understand the issues in the Rosenberg case is: "How long did Julius Rosenberg work on the Manhattan project?"

Ok, I'll bite, how long?

698 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:27:56am

Someone mentioned earlier that the Rosenbergs were convicted of espionage & not Treason, as treason is a specific crime.
If anyone knows what element(s) were missing in order to convict for treason?

699 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:28:31am

re: #664 Dianna

dorian, please pay a little attention, here:

First Soviet detonation of an atomic bomb: August 7, 1949.

Execution of the Rosenbergs: June 19, 1953.

The issue was spying, not what the atomic secrets.

Maybe you ought to do some, you know research on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. They were arrested in 1950 specifically for passing nuclear weapons technology to the Russians.

700 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:28:54am

re: #698 opnion

Ask Lawhawk. I believe that was his post.

701 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:29:00am

re: #628 Silhouette

The US was more than justified using the bombs whether Japan had a similar weapons program or not.

Boy howdy, the alternative would have been bloody costly beyond belief.

/Operation Downfall

702 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:29:26am

re: #699 doriangrey

Maybe you ought to do some, you know research on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. They were arrested in 1950 specifically for passing nuclear weapons technology to the Russians.

Gee, 1950. 5 years AFTER the Japanese surrendered. You really are a troofer, now ain't ya?

703 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:29:27am

re: #696 HoosierHoops

ESPN tried airing some topless ladies soccer matches and men in the USA still wouldn't watch..
/

Is that because women soccer players don't have that much on top? Especially those who would go running around without a sports bra.

704 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:29:47am

re: #689 CIA Reject

Asking if they know who Klaus Fuchs was tends to produce some interesting reactions, too.

705 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:30:19am

re: #664 Dianna

dorian, please pay a little attention, here:

First Soviet detonation of an atomic bomb: August 7, 1949.

Execution of the Rosenbergs: June 19, 1953.

The issue was spying, not what the atomic secrets.

The SU got the secrets from Klaus Fuchs, iirc

706 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:30:19am

re: #704 Dianna

Asking if they know who Klaus Fuchs was tends to produce some interesting reactions, too.

Ok, I'll bite, who's Klaus Fuchs?

707 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:30:37am
708 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:30:51am

re: #679 Ben Hur

No.

That's American football.
That's why you get 6 points a touchdown.
Otherwise it would be 1-1 1/2 most of the time.

negative on there that chief. if it was scored the same as soccer, most scores would be in the 4-2 or 5-3 range. :)

plenty of action. not to mention excitement. as opposed to watching a ball arc back and forth across a huge field, with people scurrying around around after it, achieving nothing for minute, after minute, after minute.

heh. :)

709 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:30:58am

re: #694 jcm

Yes, but what's interesting to me is that the Rosenberg's weren't convicted using Venona at trial. It wasn't needed, though it was Venona that led to Greenglass and the Rosenbergs.

710 opnion  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:31:45am

re: #694 jcm

Between the Vernona intercepts, and the KGB files. It shows that the Rosenbergs, Hiss and the others where indeed guilty and the McCarthy was in most respects vindicated.

Hollywood will never allow any vindication of Joe McCarthy.
It goes to the blacklisting, which is curious.
It was the HOUSE of unamerican activities that went after Hollywood.
Senator McCarthy chaired hearings on the Army in the Senate.

711 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:31:46am

re: #705 yma o hyd

They did.

Don't discount the Soviet scientists, though. Not everything was stolen.

712 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:31:58am

re: #530 itellu3times

cyclotrons don't separate uranium.

centrifuges?

Calutrons

A Calutron was a mass spectrometer used for separating the isotopes of uranium developed by Ernest O. Lawrence[1] during the Manhattan Project and was similar to the Cyclotron invented by Lawrence. Its name is a concatenation of Cal. U.-tron, in tribute to the University of California, Lawrence's institution and the contractor of the Los Alamos laboratory.[2] They were implemented for industrial scale uranium enrichment at the Oak Ridge, Tennessee Y-12 plant established during the war and provided much of the uranium used for the "Little Boy" nuclear weapon, which was dropped onto Hiroshima in 1945.
713 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:32:18am

re: #707 buzzsawmonkey

And for this foundational building block of America's defense, Dad got $25, less tax withheld.

And our perduring thanks and praise.

714 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:32:38am

re: #689 CIA Reject

Rosenberg didn't. However, his brother in law did. Rosenberg recruited his brother in law, David Greenglass. Julius Rosenberg worked on radar systems.

715 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #687 WriterMom

Soccer, that's the game where the players run after the ball, and then they try to score goals by kicking the ball past a whole bunch of players protecting their pee-pees.

ouch, I had post #666. yikes.... don'na lika thata.

716 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:32:40am

re: #706 FurryOldGuyJeans

Look at #705! yma o hyd has the link!

(Short answer: Soviet spy who worked on the Manhattan project.)

717 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:33:34am

re: #633 lawhawk

I agree. It ended the war sooner and did so at a lesser loss of life than a planned invasion.

I figured you did, I just don't want to start down the road of giving some sort of validity to the moonbat complaint that a Japanese nuke program is necessary to justify the bombs.

718 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:33:38am

re: #706 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, I'll bite, who's Klaus Fuchs?

British citizen of German ancestry who spied for the Russians and was a member of the Manhattan Project.

719 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:33:42am

re: #696 HoosierHoops

ESPN tried airing some topless ladies soccer matches and men in the USA still wouldn't watch..
/

him, that might convert me, but I have yet to see such offerings. :)

720 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:34:15am

re: #709 Dianna

Yes, but what's interesting to me is that the Rosenberg's weren't convicted using Venona at trial. It wasn't needed, though it was Venona that led to Greenglass and the Rosenbergs.

Vernona was too tightly held to use as evidence in a trail. Much like Ultra during WWII, it was one of the paradoxes of intell when you get a really valuable source, it's hard to use the data for fear of exposing the source.

721 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:34:24am

re: #707 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, the tritium-production patent, top secret, was assigned to the government, of course. And for this foundational building block of America's defense, Dad got $25, less tax withheld.

Ow.

Well, we're all really grateful, if that helps any.

722 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:34:46am

re: #716 Dianna

Look at #705! yma o hyd has the link!

(Short answer: Soviet spy who worked on the Manhattan project.)

I already knew the answer but I was hoping for some non-book internet links. And I gots 'em. :)

723 Macker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:34:46am

re: #706 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, I'll bite, who's Klaus Fuchs?

Klaus Fuchs was a British subject who worked on the Manhattan Project and passed secrets along to Stalin. When he got found out, he was tried and convicted for passing state secrets...but NOT as a Spy, since the CCCP was an Ally during the War. His UK citizenship was revoked and he was repatriated to East Germany, where he died in 1988.

724 zombie  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:35:42am

re: #466 doriangrey

More importantly and even less known are two very interesting facts. 1) Japan detonated a atomic bomb in the ocean just off Korea just two weeks before Trinity, and 2) the fisile material used for FatMan and Little Boy was delivered to the United States by the Captain of a German U-boat who was under orders to take the U235 to Japan for their atomic weapons.

?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Now that's a conspiracy theory I've never even heard of -- and I thought I knew about all of them!

725 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:35:57am

re: #711 Dianna

They did.

Don't discount the Soviet scientists, though. Not everything was stolen.

Thats right - I remember the understanding was tha Fuchs helped them to achieve their bomb about three or so years sooner than if he hadn't told them. They would indeed have had their bomb in any event.

726 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:36:01am

re: #697 FurryOldGuyJeans

Ok, I'll bite, how long?

Not one day.

The actual spy in question was David Greenglass, Rosenberg's brother-in-law. Rosenberg became involved when Greenglass' regular handler couldn't make an appointment and Greenglass needed to get rid of some material fast. He gave it to Rosenberg because he was handling KGB agents who had penetrated government and contractor facilities throughout the US defense industry.

Julius Rosenberg was not simply a spy, he was a spy master, and when he was captured he remained loyal to the KGB and refused to give up his spy network.

And that is why the US government pursued the death penalty against him.

727 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:37:05am

re: #682 WriterMom

I watched it. They really don't have any idea how absurd & hypocritical they look do they?

728 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:37:41am

re: #724 zombie

?!?!?!?!?!?!?

Now that's a conspiracy theory I've never even heard of -- and I thought I knew about all of them!

I ran across it on the net a few years back and found it so amazingly funny I cant help springing it on people every now and then... I know... I am a bad man... lol...lol...lol...

729 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:37:49am

re: #675 Glackinspeil

OT, but I think the lizards will get a kick......
For a recent assignment in my graduate course in economics we were given a draft of the Obama healthcare reform plan.The assignment was to answer the following multiple choice question with an essay supporting the conclusion.

Barack Obama....
A. Never took economics at college level.
B. Took economics and failed it.
C. Took economics, did well, but has since forgotten everything he learned.
D. Will say anything to get elected.

80% of our class is conservative and we were cracking up. We are more used to radical left professors.

Basic undergraduate economics class at Chicago maybe 32 years ago; the Professor handed out a passage of a speech by Ted Kennedy and said "Analyze this."

730 Racer X  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:37:57am

re: #696 HoosierHoops

ESPN tried airing some topless ladies soccer matches and men in the USA still wouldn't watch..
/

Link?

;-)

731 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:38:07am

re: #726 CIA Reject

Not one day.

The actual spy in question was David Greenglass, Rosenberg's brother-in-law. Rosenberg became involved when Greenglass' regular handler couldn't make an appointment and Greenglass needed to get rid of some material fast. He gave it to Rosenberg because he was handling KGB agents who had penetrated government and contractor facilities throughout the US defense industry.

Julius Rosenberg was not simply a spy, he was a spy master, and when he was captured he remained loyal to the KGB and refused to give up his spy network.

And that is why the US government pursued the death penalty against him.

Certainly ain't the current 'troof' being shoveled onto unsuspecting people.

732 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:38:17am

re: #725 yma o hyd

Fuchs' material helped them avoid the many blind alleys, essentially.

My favorite story about Fuchs, though, comes from Richard Feyneman; it was Fuchs who drove him to the hospital when RF's wife was dying.

733 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:38:48am

re: #717 Silhouette

The bomb saved my dad's life, most probably.

He and his pilot buddies to a man thought their chances of survival in the invasion of the Japanese home islands were very poor.

The US command expected the invasion to double the US WW2 casualties up to that point. Expected dead maybe 300,000.

Japanese casualties would have been even greater.

The bomb was a blessing.

734 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:38:52am

re: #707 buzzsawmonkey

You get a ding up on GP for that, sir. Great history!

735 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:38:58am

re: #707 buzzsawmonkey

BTW, the tritium-production patent, top secret, was assigned to the government, of course. And for this foundational building block of America's defense, Dad got $25, less tax withheld.

Which, back in that day meant your dad probably saw maybe $3 net (94% top tax rate).

736 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:38:59am
737 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:39:45am

re: #687 WriterMom

Soccer, that's the game where the players run after the ball, and then they try to score goals by kicking the ball past a whole bunch of players protecting their pee-pees.

Hey, now. Watch out. Some of the finest acting today occurs on European soccor fields. Watch sometime. Observe players drop as though poleaxed and writhe in pain until the dreaded card is shown.

Then as though Obama himself has touched them, they are healed.

738 Dustyvet  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:40:11am

Bali bombers: Behead us, please
It is, they say, the Islamic method of killing. I trust Ibrahim Hooper will be on the next plane to Bali to explain to these guys how they have Misunderstood Islam. "Bali bombers challenge execution, want beheading," from Reuters, August 6 (thanks to all who sent this in):

JAKARTA (Reuters) - Lawyers for three Islamic militants on death row for the 2002 Bali bombings lodged a legal challenge on Wednesday over Indonesia's method of executing convicts by firing squad, calling it inhumane.
The three men -- Imam Samudra, Amrozi and Mukhlas, also known as Ali Gufron -- face a firing squad for their roles in the nightclub bombings on the island of Bali that killed 202 people.

"We believe that execution by way of a gunfire is inhumane. It is for these reasons that the defense attorneys are applying to challenge the legislation," said lawyer Wirawan Adnan, adding that a judicial review had been lodged at the Constitutional Court.

A Bali court initially sentenced the three men to death in 2003, but their lawyers have used a number of legal avenues that have delayed the executions.

"It's not a matter for us whether or not Amrozi is to be executed. Gunfire is one way, another way of doing it is by lethal injection," Adnan said, adding that it could take more than a minute for a convict to bleed to death after being shot.

The three men would prefer an Islamic method of execution by beheading, Adnan added.

"We believe that is still more humane than by a gunfire," said the lawyer....


"It's not a matter for us whether or not Amrozi is to be executed. Gunfire is one way, another way of doing it is by lethal injection," Adnan said, adding that it could take more than a minute for a convict to bleed to death after being shot.


What a load of crap...


[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

739 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:40:27am

re: #731 FurryOldGuyJeans

Certainly ain't the current 'troof' being shoveled onto unsuspecting people.

No, it isn't, is it?

There are still people who try to claim the Rosenbergs were innocent. The trial proved they weren't, but it's nice to have Venona and the Soviet archives to confirm.

740 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:40:45am

re: #678 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

NYT is running scared

Wow.

741 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:41:41am

re: #732 Dianna

They had a docu-drama about Fuchs on the Beeb a few years ago. Well researched, exceedingly well made. He came across as an idealistic and committed communist who did his spying in order to 'even the balance'.
He was very lucky to escape the gallows - and having to live the rest of his life in communist Germany can't have been a bowl of cherries, either.

742 JHW  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:41:48am

a little tidbit I didn't know before about the McCarthy investigations and the House Un-American Activities Committee, from Wiki:

In May 1960, the committee held hearings in San Francisco that led to the infamous "riot" at City Hall on May 13, 1960, when San Francisco police officers fire-hosed students from Berkeley, Stanford, and other local colleges down the steps beneath the rotunda.

I wonder how many of those students are now tenured professors.
H.U.A.C.

743 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:42:50am

re: #738 Dustyvet

It takes a minute to bleed to death after being shot? I thought a decent-sized round, well-placed in the heart, would put you out immediately.

744 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:42:59am

re: #724 zombie

My moonbat sister told me a new one the other day about the Twin Towers. Did you know that when they were built they had the explosives preplaced to bring them down in a controlled fashion in the event that it appeared they were going to topple over?

My jaw hit the ground when I heard that one.

/troof!

745 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:43:17am

Soccer should be played under Marine Corps rules;

20 Man teams on the field
Uniform is cammies, boots with flak jackets
Full contact, no such thing as fouls.

746 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:43:21am

re: #513 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

My favorite blonde joke:

A blonde woman police officer pulls over a blonde woman driver. The police officer says to the driver, "let me see your license." The driver says, "what's that?" The police officer replies, "it's a little rectangle thingy with your face on it & you keep it in your wallet." The driver says, "oh, I have one of those" & hands the police officer her pocket mirror. The police officer looks at it & says, "I'm sorry ma'am. I wouldn't have pulled you over if I knew you were a police officer, too."

Here's a great parody ad for BlondeStar.

747 Dustyvet  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:44:01am

Obama's Muslim-Outreach Adviser tied to Muslim Brotherhood, quits

Bye Bye...

748 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:44:13am

re: #740 MandyManners

Ah, La Bruni on the cover of Vanity Fair, wearing boots.

J'approve.

749 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:44:14am

re: #740 MandyManners

Wow.

You know its bad when they actually ask if they might be a bit too liberal.

750 jorline  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:44:34am

Iran 'promises final response'.

No we have the final response...KMFA Iran.

751 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:44:41am

re: #667 WriterMom

Oh, I like that version of my name WMom. LOL.

LINK!

AND, I translated the Hebrew-BenHur can confirm...


The Arabic curses sound better in Arabic, anything in Arabic that uses the "mother of" or "father of" is serious cursing...they will kill you for cursing their mothers and sisters.


Add that to the list of 999,999 other things that Mohammedans will kill you for.

752 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:44:51am

re: #747 Dustyvet

Obama's Muslim-Outreach Adviser tied to Muslim Brotherhood, quits

Bye Bye...

He's gonna need a bigger bus.

753 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:45:03am

re: #737 razorbacker

Hey, now. Watch out. Some of the finest acting today occurs on European soccor fields. Watch sometime. Observe players drop as though poleaxed and writhe in pain until the dreaded card is shown.

Then as though Obama himself has touched them, they are healed.

Ain't dat the troof!

Here in the UK there's this little saying:
'Soccer is a game for gentlemen, played by thugs - and rugby is a game for thugs, played by gentlemen.'
Since both games were 'invented' here in the UK, we know this is true!

754 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:45:18am

re: #518 guy_philly

FYI: Every time I come across someone who says, "All your [fill in the blank] are belong to us," I feel driven to ding them. The phrase has become about as irritating as yelling "First" when trying to be first on a blog thread and having nothing to say.

Along with "_________ is/are ripping us off!"

755 pembroke1624  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:45:22am

Life in prison sounds like the right punishment for this terrorist.

Good verdict -- our system works!

756 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:45:33am

re: #753 yma o hyd

What do they say about cricket?

757 zombie  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:46:03am

Just to clear things up a bit:

The history of the Manhattan Project is documented in full, in agonizing detail, without the slightest dispute about the origins of every single idea and component that went into the creation of the first atomic bomb. No part of it came from Japan, or from a German U-Boat, or whatever.

Second: Both Klaus Fuchs AND Julius Rosenberg passed crucial atomic secrets to the Soviets that allowed them to create their own nuclear program. Yes, since Fuchs was a scientist himself, the information that he provided was more valuable, but the Rosenberg info was important as well.

There's no point in conspiracy-mongering in this area of historical research: we know exactly what happened, both in regards to the science and engineering, and the espionage.

758 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:46:05am

re: #731 FurryOldGuyJeans

Certainly ain't the current 'troof' being shoveled onto unsuspecting people.

Indeed. Well I gotta go now, y'all play nice 'till I get back! :-)

759 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:46:33am

Young Obama's Red Mentor

A careful reading of Obama's first memoir, "Dreams From My Father," reveals that his childhood mentor up to the age of 18 — a man he refers to only as "Frank" — was none other than the late communist Frank Marshall Davis, who fled Chicago after the FBI and Congress opened investigations into his "subversive," "un-American activities."

In a belated story on the relationship, the Associated Press describes Davis as "left-leaning."

In fact, Davis was a member of the Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA, according to the 1953 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities of the Territory of Hawaii, which labeled him "a bitter opponent of capitalism." The report was introduced as evidence in the U.S. Senate Internal Security Subcommittee hearings probing the "Scope of Soviet Activity in the United States."

"Davis scholars dismiss the idea that he was anti-American," the AP reports. But one of them, ex-University of Hawaii professor Kathryn Takara, acknowledges in a Ph.D. paper on Davis (not quoted by AP) that he'd been fingered as "a Communist."

Davis wrote militant poems as a black writer in Chicago, including one in which he hails the Soviet revolution: "Smash on, victory-eating Red Army." He also attacked traditional Christianity, titling one inflammatory screed, "Christ is a Dixie N*****."

/IBD flays off yet another huge chunk of Obama's skin and there's still three months left to flog him some more

760 Racer X  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:46:47am

re: #746 Cygnus

Here's a great parody ad for BlondeStar.

ROFLMAO!

761 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:47:36am

re: #536 Creeping Eruption

Didn't the Cyclotrons battle Buck Rogers?

I thought they were the enemies of Battlestar Galactia.

762 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:47:43am

re: #756 godfrey

What do they say about cricket?

Its done down the drain since the colonials took over ...

(Any game where a match can go over five days is a true gentlemanly sport ...!)

763 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:47:46am

re: #747 Dustyvet

I saw that last night on Hot Air, but didn't link it. I thought it would be redundant.

764 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:48:11am

re: #759 Killian Bundy

That's an important piece, given that one of the groups giving big money to the Obama campaign is the financial sector.

765 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:48:22am

re: #744 Bubblehead II

My moonbat sister told me a new one the other day about the Twin Towers. Did you know that when they were built they had the explosives preplaced to bring them down in a controlled fashion in the event that it appeared they were going to topple over?

My jaw hit the ground when I heard that one.

/troof!


that explains why they wouldn't let you smoke in the Towers.

766 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:48:58am

re: #757 zombie

Just to clear things up a bit:

The history of the Manhattan Project is documented in full, in agonizing detail, without the slightest dispute about the origins of every single idea and component that went into the creation of the first atomic bomb. No part of it came from Japan, or from a German U-Boat, or whatever.

Second: Both Klaus Fuchs AND Julius Rosenberg passed crucial atomic secrets to the Soviets that allowed them to create their own nuclear program. Yes, since Fuchs was a scientist himself, the information that he provided was more valuable, but the Rosenberg info was important as well.

There's no point in conspiracy-mongering in this area of historical research: we know exactly what happened, both in regards to the science and engineering, and the espionage.

You are a real party pooper sometimes Zombie..... ;Pffffffffffffff

767 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:49:59am

re: #627 doriangrey

No, it proves the lengths that the US government was willing to go to in order to conceal any information regarding nuclear weapons.

Dorian, step away from that TV!

768 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:50:40am

re: #766 doriangrey

Somehow that conspiracy of yours needs to weave the Japanese sub and the sinking of the USS Indianapolis into the story.

769 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:51:01am

re: #767 The Shadow Do

Dorian, step away from that TV!

No worries mate.... I make the governments mind control ray satellites.... ;)

770 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:51:13am

re: #753 yma o hyd

Ain't dat the troof!

Here in the UK there's this little saying:
'Soccer is a game for gentlemen, played by thugs - and rugby is a game for thugs, played by gentlemen.'
Since both games were 'invented' here in the UK, we know this is true!

Well, we know soccer is watched by thugs...

/ducking and covering

771 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:51:35am

re: #768 jcm

Somehow that conspiracy of yours needs to weave the Japanese sub and the sinking of the USS Indianapolis into the story.

Ohhh, good plot twist.... lol...lol...lol...

772 godfrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:51:40am

re: #762 yma o hyd

I saw plenty of English kids playing cricket on Parker's Pieces. And at Blenheim too, but there one feels one should rather expect it, or else. Both beautiful places, of course, and it's an interesting game. I hear England vs. Oz for the ashes is still capable of gluing people to the TV, and that it's huge in India.

773 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:52:04am

re: #588 lifeofthemind

Isn't that how they cook the oysters on City Island?

That's how they cook geoducks in Seattle. Makes 'em nice and tender.

774 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:52:20am

re: #757 zombie

You're correct in this. To further clarify - Fuchs was working on the British portion of the Manhattan Project and as a scientist provided key details of the efforts to unleash the power of the atom.

Rosenberg was a handler for multiple Soviet spies, and his brother in law (David Greenglass) was working on the Manhattan Project. Rosenberg recruited Greenglass, and passed along that information as well.

775 zombie  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:52:47am

re: #759 Killian Bundy

Young Obama's Red Mentor

/IBD flays off yet another huge chunk of Obama's skin and there's still three months left to flog him some more

Thanks for that. Added it to the research file for my putative "Obama rumor" page.

776 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:53:41am

Stunt lesbians? Is that anything like being lesbian until graduation?

777 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:53:57am

re: #744 Bubblehead II

My moonbat sister told me a new one the other day about the Twin Towers. Did you know that when they were built they had the explosives preplaced to bring them down in a controlled fashion in the event that it appeared they were going to topple over?

My jaw hit the ground when I heard that one.

/troof!

The reason is we've defeated tin foil hats, new technology weaves nanoprocessor technology into all foil made. When a sheet of foil is made into a hat it activities the subprotocols. Turning the foil into an amplified transmitter receiver.

Shhh! don't tell anyone, it very hush hush work.

778 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:54:09am

re: #774 lawhawk

You're correct in this. To further clarify - Fuchs was working on the British portion of the Manhattan Project and as a scientist provided key details of the efforts to unleash the power of the atom.

Rosenberg was a handler for multiple Soviet spies, and his brother in law (David Greenglass) was working on the Manhattan Project. Rosenberg recruited Greenglass, and passed along that information as well.

You guys are ruining my conspiracy theory with your pesky facts, now knock it off .....

779 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:55:39am

re: #777 jcm

The reason is we've defeated tin foil hats, new technology weaves nanoprocessor technology into all foil made. When a sheet of foil is made into a hat it activities the subprotocols. Turning the foil into an amplified transmitter receiver.

Shhh! don't tell anyone, it very hush hush work.

How do you know that? You're not suppose to know that, I'm sure I didn't clear you to know that....

780 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:56:22am

re: #759 Killian Bundy

Young Obama's Red Mentor


/IBD flays off yet another huge chunk of Obama's skin and there's still three months left to flog him some more

Bookmarked!

781 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:56:36am

re: #769 doriangrey

No worries mate.... I make the governments mind control ray satellites.... ;)

Crap, I didn't know who I was messin' with. Sorry.

782 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:56:40am

re: #776 RememberSekhmet?

These are stand-ins for extreme lesbian sports!

[/Ack! Zombie probably has pictures!]

783 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:56:44am

re: #779 doriangrey

How do you know that? You're not suppose to know that, I'm sure I didn't clear you to know that....

My cover is I work in Chemtrails but.....

784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:56:52am

re: #710 opnion

Hollywood will never allow any vindication of Joe McCarthy.

It goes to the blacklisting, which is curious.

It was the HOUSE of unamerican activities that went after Hollywood.

Senator McCarthy chaired hearings on the Army in the Senate.


Why let facts get in the way of self-righteous hate?

785 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:57:14am

re: #780 MandyManners

Bookmarked!

It wont stick, nothing sticks to the Teflon Messiah.

786 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:57:26am

re: #744 Bubblehead II

My moonbat sister told me a new one the other day about the Twin Towers. Did you know that when they were built they had the explosives preplaced to bring them down in a controlled fashion in the event that it appeared they were going to topple over?

My jaw hit the ground when I heard that one.

/troof!

Geez, Occam's Razor, anybody? The towers pancaked because it was a matter of weakened supports dropping upper floors on lower floors, exceeding the lower floors' weight limit.

787 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:57:34am

From Instapundit:


THE WASHINGTON POST DOESN'T THINK MUCH of Obama's tax-the-oil-companies energy policy:

(Go read there and spare Charles' bandwidth)

Yes, it's a case of robbing Peter to pay. . . er, Peter. Meanwhile, Obama remains stalled in the polls. Is there a connection? Just possibly.

posted at 01:59 PM by Glenn Reynolds

My question is about the Wapo. Are they working themselves up to endorsing a Republican? As the NYT dissolves like the Wicked Witch are they ensuring survival?

788 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:57:55am

re: #107 alegrias

* * *
Wasn't Pierre Trudeau a Celebrity-Canadian kind of candidate? Who was "different" alright!

Yes. Those of us who had to endure the years of Trudeau's misrule see many parallels with Obama.

Please don't make the mistake we made!

789 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:58:54am

re: #781 The Shadow Do

Crap, I didn't know who I was messin' with. Sorry.

What, you thought DirectTV could actually afford to put a satellite in orbit? lol...lol...lol...

790 zombie  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:59:30am

re: #776 RememberSekhmet?

Stunt lesbians? Is that anything like being lesbian until graduation?

That's the standard answer students at Wellesley and Mills College give when asked if they're straight or gay: "I'm LUG -- Lesbian Until Graduation." It's considered a standard "orientation" category around here.

791 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:59:37am

re: #773 Cygnus

That's how they cook geoducks in Seattle. Makes 'em nice and tender.

Geoducks - wangs with shells.

792 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 11:59:49am

re: #647 WriterMom

Many of the Jewish scientists who would have been in a good position to help with weapons technology left Germany before the war.

Leo Zilard was one. He left German held territory in the last hours before the borders were closed, made his way to England, then the USA. Zilard with Teller drafted the letter to Roosevelt, bearing Einstein's signature, which got the ball rolling for the Manhattan Project. Subsequently he worked closely with Fermi in Chicago.

I've seen him portrayed in only a couple movies: Fat Man and Little Boy (bathtub scene - Paul Newman as Gen. Groves) and Day One (Brian Dennehy as Groves).

793 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:00:17pm
794 yma o hyd  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:00:29pm

re: #770 Leonidas Hoplite

Well, we know soccer is watched by thugs...

/ducking and covering

No need to duck and cover, as far as I'm concerned! Its the plain, unvarnished truth as well. You'll never find fans of opposing teams segregated at rugby matches. we all sit mixed together, tehre's lots of banter and ribaldry, and in Wales lots of singing.
And after the match, all hang out in the pubs and sing some more.
When there's an international rugby match in Cardiff, the police have less trouble with all thats going on than on a 'normal' weekend.
When there's a soccer match - better keep indoors, let the shutetrs down, and hope the police and the street cleaners are up to their different jobs ...

795 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:02:17pm

re: #784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Why let facts get in the way of self-righteous hate?

Yes! Why let facts get in the way of self-righteous hate?

Just use WISH-AWAYTM!
Just apply directly to the head and wash those inconvenient facts away!

796 ErnieG  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:03:19pm

re: #757 zombie

Just to clear things up a bit:

The history of the Manhattan Project is documented in full, in agonizing detail, without the slightest dispute about the origins of every single idea and component that went into the creation of the first atomic bomb. No part of it came from Japan, or from a German U-Boat, or whatever.


That's what they want you to know.

/ ;-)

797 Vergeltung  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:03:29pm

re: #782 Iron Fist

These are stand-ins for extreme lesbian sports!

[/Ack! Zombie probably has pictures!]

well if he does, they'd be better than the ones in the last report. that was like wathcing a train crash into a school bus full of KosKids; terrible, but you can't look away! :)

798 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:03:38pm

New thread! Tries to avoid stampede.

799 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:03:55pm

re: #791 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

That pic should have had the NSFW label... LOL.

800 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:04:31pm

re: #786 RememberSekhmet?

I know that, you know that and 99% of those here know that. But there are those who just can't seem to conceptualize how that works.

On the other hand, she did give me her log on info for Netflix. :-)

801 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:06:05pm

It always amazes me the condemnation the US gets for having arrested, tried & convicted by jury and then executed the Rosenbergs for espionage, while Stalin's Soviet Union at that time was going through yet another massive purge in which hundreds of thousands of innocent people were being arrested, imprisoned and executed. Not a word from the Western intelligentsia about that crime. Why not?

802 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:07:40pm

re: #801 Kenneth

Because to them the Stallinists were the good guys?

803 Dianna  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:08:30pm

re: #778 doriangrey

You guys are ruining my conspiracy theory with your pesky facts, now knock it off .....

I'm not best pleased with you, even if you think it's funny.

804 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:08:55pm

re: #802 Iron Fist

Because to them the Stallinists were the good guys?

Correction, still are the good guys.....

805 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:12:28pm

re: #803 Dianna

I'm not best pleased with you, even if you think it's funny.

ROTFLMAO.... Oh please, its the 63rd anniversary of Hiroshima, how can poking fun of peoples current day beliefs of what happened and why be wrong?

806 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:15:20pm

re: #750 jorline

Iran 'promises final response'.

No we have the final response...KMFA Iran.

Given it is Iran, I'd expect them to propose the final solution.

807 jcm  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:18:00pm

re: #805 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Oh please, its the 63rd anniversary of Hiroshima, how can poking fun of peoples current day beliefs of what happened and why be wrong?

Every Aug. 6th a bunch go down to Green Lake in Seattle and float candles at dusk in memory of the "victims" in Hiroshima. I had a classmate in college excited about attending the event. I asked her about a memorial for the 30 million Chinese victims of Imperial Japan. Utterly clueless as to what I was talking about.

808 docremulac  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:21:30pm

I've got a great idea on how to flip the script on the leftist Al Qaeda supporters in America who want to close down Gitmo and give captured terrorists all the rights of a U.S. citizen, tax payer supported lawyers etc.

Do it.

Then charge each and every one of them with murder, try them in a Texas courtroom with working class juries and, if found guilty, execute each and every one of these animals.

You want to make them honorary citizens? Ok, their citizens. Now try em for murder and kill em.

Consider it their first civics lessen.

809 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:21:43pm

re: #807 jcm

Every Aug. 6th a bunch go down to Green Lake in Seattle and float candles at dusk in memory of the "victims" in Hiroshima. I had a classmate in college excited about attending the event. I asked her about a memorial for the 30 million Chinese victims of Imperial Japan. Utterly clueless as to what I was talking about.

The problem of course is that America couldn't be blamed for those 30 million deaths. The socialist/liberals have so rewritten history that an unbelievable segment of the American population have no idea of what did, or did not happen during WWII. But they are absolutely certain that America is the source of all evil in the world today.

810 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:24:17pm

re: #805 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO.... Oh please, its the 63rd anniversary of Hiroshima, how can poking fun of peoples current day beliefs of what happened and why be wrong?

Because there's quite enough insanity being promoted? Some people will believe that stuff, and believing it, will vote and make policy accordingly. I'm thinking specifically of people like Maxine Waters, Pelosi, and Obama.

And I shudder to think how many in Japan would believe it.

811 looking closely  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:29:40pm

re: #806 Kosh's Shadow

Given it is Iran, I'd expect them to propose the final solution.

Stall. . .stall. . . stall. . .
That's Iran's game.
And its been working exceptionally well for them, too.

812 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:44:48pm

re: #744 Bubblehead II

My moonbat sister told me a new one the other day about the Twin Towers. Did you know that when they were built they had the explosives preplaced to bring them down in a controlled fashion in the event that it appeared they were going to topple over?

My jaw hit the ground when I heard that one.

/troof!

Construction on the WTC began in 1966. Think about that for a while. George W. Bush probably flew his TANG jet over and installed the explosives himself.

813 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:52:34pm

re: #812 Kenneth

Construction on the WTC began in 1966. Think about that for a while. George W. Bush probably flew his TANG jet over and installed the explosives himself.

Google loosebullshit.org

814 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:55:06pm

re: #531 Kosh's Shadow

And his link talks about cyclotrons to make fuel, not centrifuges. I think it was bogus.
But I believe there was a U-Boat carrying radioactive material to Japan that either surrendered to the US or was captured, and the uranium was used in the Manhattan project. I saw that on the History Channel or Military Channel (which doesn't make it 100% accurate, though)

Most, if not all of the uranium used in the Manhattan project came from here.

815 uptight  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 12:57:51pm

A good thing IMO

All taxi drivers should be jailed

816 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #699 doriangrey

Maybe you ought to do some, you know research on Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. They were arrested in 1950 specifically for passing nuclear weapons technology to the Russians.

So? They were spying. They would have been convicted and executed if they had been passing the recipe for K-rations.

817 Leonidas Hoplite  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 1:27:04pm

re: #794 yma o hyd

No need to duck and cover, as far as I'm concerned! Its the plain, unvarnished truth as well. You'll never find fans of opposing teams segregated at rugby matches. we all sit mixed together, tehre's lots of banter and ribaldry, and in Wales lots of singing.
And after the match, all hang out in the pubs and sing some more.
When there's an international rugby match in Cardiff, the police have less trouble with all thats going on than on a 'normal' weekend.
When there's a soccer match - better keep indoors, let the shutetrs down, and hope the police and the street cleaners are up to their different jobs ...

Would love to attent a rugby match sometime...great game!

818 Dustyvet  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 2:10:25pm

Hello Martyr, hello Fatah

Hello martyr, hello Fatah
Here I am in Islamic Gaza
I must tell you, I'm having great fun
In my camp they teach us how to use machine guns

We blame things on the Jewish Lobby
Our hero is Dalal Mughrabi
We can march now, we can holler
And we love to pray five times a day to Allah

I keep ammo in my pocket
I just learned how to shoot a rocket
Just imagine how great I felt
When I was fitted for my first suicide belt!

We watch videos of friendly mouses
We practice mortars at Jewish houses
You remember Ahmed Fakid
He just lost his legs practicing to be a Shahid

Now my bombing's a routine task
I love wearing my new ski mask
Why should I learn a trade?
I just got my first rocket propelled grenade!

Just one problem, but it's old news
Lots of weapons, not enough Jews
But don't worry, dad and mother
I'll be practicing my new skills on my brother!

819 snowtravel  Wed, Aug 6, 2008 4:01:46pm

re: #221 lawhawk

No, the last few decisions by the Supreme Court that have undermined the Administration's efforts to keep these detainees locked up and out of the civilian courts have done a great disservice to the nation.

This decision - by the very tribunals that the left seeks to eliminate altogether - did its duty and followed the law and facts - finding him guilty of some of the charges. Had it been a kangaroo court as the leftists claim, he would have been found guilty on all the charges.

The opposition to the Administration will undermine national security all at once (though they may try), but instead will do so through thousands of paper cuts.

Lawfare is the very distillation of this principle. Litigate, litigate, and litigate some more, granting terrorists captured on battlefields rights never before envisioned to be granted to such individuals. Purposefully misreading the Constitution and foreign law to extend those rights. And then finding judges who agree with those concepts.

The anti-US groups who continue to support folks like Hamdan will never be satisfied with the level of evidence proffered against them. Incontrovertible proof will be insufficient.

Just total BS. The Hamdan verdict strongly contradicts everything you write. All the fear-mongering was wrong before and it's wrong now. Otherwise, Hamdan couldn't have been tried and convicted.

Here's a prediction: Hamdan goes to prison for the rest of his life. He'll never see a civilian court. (Not exactly a daring bet is it?) So please explain exactly how these tribunals and the harsh sentences that will certainly result "have undermined the Administration's efforts to keep these detainees locked up and out of the civilian courts."

Fact is, this isn't "a thousand cuts," and it isn't even one cut. There's not a shred of evidence of any mega-trend toward more litigation (let alone civil rights litigation), and of course you provide none. The Roberts court isn't activist; as I've said many times, military tribunals know how to deal with the enemy. The administration's "enemy combatant" fiasco happened only because Bush's policy wandered so far afield. (Hence the repeated smackdowns.) Now we're back on track. Again, it's not wild bet to assume that we'll see many, many Gitmo prisoners follow Hamdan's footsteps.

As to the larger result: Today the war in Iraq is going better than ever and the military has its first conviction. You could argue there's no cause and effect relationship (and you might be right), but you imply the opposite and that matters are worse. Like I said at the outset: BS, and provably so.

("Lawfare?" I'd ask what the devil you're talking about, but clearly you've no idea.)

820 snowtravel  Thu, Aug 7, 2008 6:42:12pm

Well, time for me to eat crow.

No news posted here on LGF yet, but I am munching a big ugly bird after reading of the light sentenced just meted out to Hamdan.

(I'm sure the reactions here will be...priceless.)

This from a military tribunal, passing on an individual accused (but not convicted) of carrying missiles intended for U.S. military personnel. Who'd have thunk?

Munch, munch, munch.


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