Good job, Kansas!

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,” said Alan Detrich, a 58-year-old Lawrence Republican who takes classes at Kansas University. “I don’t think that’s right.” .

Where the heck has any "evolutionist" ever said any such thing?

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,”

Got a link supporting that ridiculous statement?

I didn't think so.

Conservatives? Oh, shit.

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha

I'll go along with the Mo bit.

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Conservatives? Oh, shit.

In this case, the "conservative" candidate is winning against the creationist.

spear-it (spirit)

evil-utionist = ape-iest = malarki-ologist

a “scientist” sighs... then tests

... there are NO PERKS in purgatory

Life is a short story with a L o n g e n d i n g.

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,” said Alan Detrich

That description escapes me, but I'd bet Mr. Detrich is half-idiot, half-wit.

Really, which side was the chimpanzee? His Father's or his Mother's?

Mary was human. Is he saying that G* is a chimp?

"The rock and the clock."

It's the idiot's version of William Paley's "watchmaker" analogy:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

“Did we just appear like the rock?

"Welcooom to the Rhochk!

(Chanelling Sean Connery in The Rock!) It rocks, as far as rocks rock and don't roll.

there are NO PERKS in purgatory

Oh, damn. And I was looking so forward to Purgatory perks. I'm crushed!

re: #6 Charles

It's nice to see the conservatives stepping up to the plate. I guess Kansas has learned what Louisiana hasn't figured out yet. Being the laughing stock of the modern world will lose votes.

I wish God would tell these creationists to shut up.

re: #13 Killgore Trout

It's nice to see the conservatives stepping up to the plate. I guess Kansas has learned what Louisiana hasn't figured out yet. Being the laughing stock of the modern world will lose votes.

I wish for the day that "conservative" means political and not religious. I hate that conservative principles are highjacked by religious extremists. It's downright......Islamo... er, just plain...FASCIST!

Out of a total of 31 posts on the front page, there is just one post about evolution, and one about creationism. That only accounts for 6% of the total front page posts.

Charles, if you are going to live up to these accusations about your obsession with this issue, you're going to have to work harder than that. 6% just ain't enough to qualify for the mantel of obsessiveness.

/s

Seems to me the tide is turning.

How did NASA ever figure out how to get a rocket to puncture the firmament?

Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Apparently, this guy has taken lessons in how to make enemies and repel people (and really lose elections)

re: #14 HelloDare

No need to invoke supernatural help in this case, HD, since the guy is being crushed in the election.

Kansas? Were Dorothy and Toto there too?

/I tried to come-up with something that had Hotel California in it, but I'm tired after the drive. Forgive me.

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,” said Alan Detrich...."

And Alan Detrich is all moron...

re: #18 Mich-again

Huh?

re: #17 Lynn B.

Seems to me the tide is turning.

Let's hope it stays on the side of reason.

re: #23 least

Huh?

Heh!

OT

Has anyone here seen this picture of Chile's Chaitén volcano erupting with lava, ash and lightning?

The little-understood storms may be sparked when rock fragments, ash, and ice particles in the plume collide to produce static charges...its not greatly studied because most folk run away when this occurs.

Chile's Chaitén volcano

"said Alan Detrich, a 58-year-old Lawrence Republican who takes classes at Kansas University"

I don't know what to say to this.

Lizards, help.

re: #21 ggt Hi there ggt, will this do: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

re: #24 Sharmuta

Let's hope it stays on the side of reason.

Amen, Sharm.

re: #20 wolfie

If only he were the only one.

re: #26 Maximu§

THAT is one majorly kewl photo!

re: #18 Mich-again Hey Mich! How are ya tonight?

re: #28 realwest

HEY RW! How ya' doin'?

Thanks for helpin' me out with the link.

Good morning/evening all. Saw a teaser headline in today's Toronto Sun saying that in a poll 9% believed in creationism.

/if that's the case I am really starting to hate squeaky wheels.
//bbiab, time to use my google fu.

re: #25 Russkilitlover

Heh!

Ho!

re: #26 Maximu§

OT

Has anyone here seen this picture of Chile's Chaitén volcano erupting with lava, ash and lightning?

The little-understood storms may be sparked when rock fragments, ash, and ice particles in the plume collide to produce static charges...its not greatly studied because most folk run away when this occurs.

Chile's Chaitén volcano

I read about this probably a month or two ago. Not much media picked it up - guess they don't even have the knowledge to question. Extraordinary phenom in our real world. There is so much that we don't know and even more that we don't want to know.

re: #23 least

Huh?

If one believes the literal story of creation in Genesis, then they must believe in the presence of the firmament. Its the layer between Earth and the heavens.

re: #35 least

Ho!

Who you callin' Ho?

re: #32 realwest

Pretty good RW. But the back is a little sore from all the roller coasters at Cedar Point.

I love all of these anti-irrationalist threads. It is part and parcel with opposition to Islamist absolutism. The rationalism we inherited from the Renaissance and the Enlightenment are the foundation of the modern West and our best defense against all medieval forces that wish to throw us back into an age of darkness. Yet, all the same, I wish there were more posts directly pertaining to the most clear and immediate medieval threat that faces us: Islamism.

Evolution as a scientific discipline and the teaching of this science is not nearly as threatened by irrationalists as Western civilization (including Christianity and scientific thought) as a whole is by a specific breed of irrationalist: Islamism.

CAIR and all the other related organizations are still on the march, working day and night to undermine the foundations of democratic liberal (in the classical sense) society. Their financial and ideological supporters abroad are also working, day and night, to extend sharia, acutely aware of the soft spots of open Western societies.

That is the most immediate and imminent and dangerous threat we all face, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, secular humanist or atheist.

Last I saw, Rasmussen had McCain leading Obama in Kansas by 20 points.

Maybe it's all that flat land. They have a longer view of the horizon out there.

Found it, sorry my bad misread the headline. 1 in 5 support creationism(20%).

re: #33 ggt Hey ggt - I'm doing ok, except for this damn tooth (again).
I hope you're doing ok - tired though I know you must be!

re: #39 Mich-again
Huh? Geez when I used to go on rollercoasters it was usually my hands that were sore from gripping too hard for too long! LOL!

re: #40 Purple Prose

What's your point?

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

Like most things, this won't be solved by running for office. You don't like what is being taught in public schools? Then either teach your children to think for themselves and to understand the variety of opinions you will find in realms such as science, or put them in a private school.

re: #40 Purple Prose

CAIR and all the other related organizations are still on the march, working day and night to undermine the foundations of democratic liberal (in the classical sense) society. Their financial and ideological supporters abroad are also working, day and night, to extend sharia, acutely aware of the soft spots of open Western societies.

That is the most immediate and imminent and dangerous threat we all face, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, secular humanist or atheist.

But it creates such a serendipitous situation to have us bickering amongst ourselves vis-a-via creationism, ID, evolution. We'll keep hammering each other and before we know it....Sharia! End of all discussions.

re: #44 realwest

Huh? Geez when I used to go on rollercoasters it was usually my hands that were sore from gripping too hard for too long! LOL!

Who needs hands on a roller coaster? You're supposed to hold them up high!

I'm out. See you again later.

re: #26 Maximu§

Thanks for the photo -- definitely my desktop pic of the month

re: #48 Mich-again Oh, ok! LOL!
Have a good one Mich!

Worried about creationist dogma?
Just inflate your tires, get a tune-up, think HOPE and CHANGE.......
It will do just about as much as anything else you try to stop these people, short of outlawing them or worse.

PTTCP

re: #43 realwest

no resolution on the teef? Sorry to hear that.

I'm doin' good, glad to be home with the critters. Thanks for asking.

Lake Superior is beautiful. Hope to go back within the year.

re: #38 Russkilitlover

Ruh-roh.
I fergited about that term.
scuzzi.

re: #51 IslandLibertarian

Listened to Rush for awhile on the drive back today. He hammered the tire pressure topic to death. Finally had to switch to the iPod.

re: #41 Lynn B.

Last I saw, Rasmussen had McCain leading Obama in Kansas by 20 points.

Maybe it's all that flat land. They have a longer view of the horizon out there.

Someone did a study a few years ago and concluded that Kansas really is flatter than a pancake.

Just don't add any blueberries....

I want to get the question out, not the answer, but the question out

That's because there already is an answer, but they don't like it, so they have to have a different question in order to get the answer they've already preconceived.

re: #31 ggt

THAT is one majorly kewl photo!

Yeah, it was taken in early May. I guess this volcano had the same destructive power as Mt. Saint Helens.

Heres one more...funny how natures power (like an earthquake) can show us Humans just how tiny and weak we are.

Chaitén volcano

re: #51 IslandLibertarian
Uh, I don't know what you mean by PTTCP - would you mind explaining it for me?

re: #46 cslepage

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

Like most things, this won't be solved by running for office. You don't like what is being taught in public schools? Then either teach your children to think for themselves and to understand the variety of opinions you will find in realms such as science, or put them in a private school.

Away with your rational thought! You have entered the realm of creationism vs. evolution - where only dogmatic certainties lay.

/big, big, sarc, so as not to offend Lizards of all persuasions. Learn science in public schools, explore religious possibilities at church or through philosophy. Why, oh why is this so difficult?

there are NO PERKS in purgatory

The mention of purgatory intrigues me (well, maybe "intrigues" is too strong a word).

I thought that Purgatory was a concept found only in Roman Catholic theology -- but the Vatican frowns on the kind of Genesis literalism this guy is espousing. (One of his web pages refers to marine fossils deposited by "The Great Flood.") Of course, it's certainly possible that a lay Catholic could choose, as an individual, believe in Young Earth Creationism, even though the Church discourages such belief.

And there's no question that some American Protestant denominations are strongly anti-Purgatory -- they regard it as a theological corruption that gives the false hope of avoiding Hell for people who die "unsaved."

re: #54 ggt

I can't stomach Rush for more than 1/2 hour no matter what he's talking about.
And I was listening BEFORE he was syndicated.
He is brilliant, but a bit full of himself.

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,” said Alan Detrich, a 58-year-old Lawrence Republican who takes classes at Kansas University. “I don’t think that’s right.” ...

Its that kind of bullshit statement, which is a blatant lie by the way, tells me I have no need to read anything else you have to say.

re: #55 solomonpanting

Some scientists have way too much time on their hands.

re: #40 Purple Prose

I love all of these anti-irrationalist threads. It is part and parcel with opposition to Islamist absolutism. The rationalism we inherited from the Renaissance and the Enlightenment are the foundation of the modern West and our best defense against all medieval forces that wish to throw us back into an age of darkness. Yet, all the same, I wish there were more posts directly pertaining to the most clear and immediate medieval threat that faces us: Islamism.

And yet ...

Evolution as a scientific discipline and the teaching of this science is not nearly as threatened by irrationalists as Western civilization (including Christianity and scientific thought) as a whole is by a specific breed of irrationalist: Islamism.

CAIR and all the other related organizations are still on the march, working day and night to undermine the foundations of democratic liberal (in the classical sense) society. Their financial and ideological supporters abroad are also working, day and night, to extend sharia, acutely aware of the soft spots of open Western societies.

That is the most immediate and imminent and dangerous threat we all face, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, secular humanist or atheist.

You're right, of course. Charles really should start getting up to speed on that whole Islamism/CAIR thing 'cause clearly this is news to him...

/oy vey

re: #37 Mich-again

If one believes the literal story of creation in Genesis, then they must believe in the presence of the firmament. Its the layer between Earth and the heavens.

I believe in the literal story of creation in Genesis. And, the first Chapter of Genesis describes a firmament that contains the planets and the stars, and the firmament the birds fly in. It's not precisely a layer between two things, and it's not a single item. The Bible describes three types of "heavens": one, this planet's atmosphere, two, the universe, and three, Heaven.

re: #49 least

Thanks for the photo -- definitely my desktop pic of the month

its on my desktop also.

re: #59 Russkilitlover

Away with your rational thought! You have entered the realm of creationism vs. evolution - where only dogmatic certainties lay.

/big, big, sarc, so as not to offend Lizards of all persuasions. Learn science in public schools, explore religious possibilities at church or through philosophy. Why, oh why is this so difficult?

Glad you attached that sarc thingy.

re: #46 cslepage

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

Like most things, this won't be solved by running for office. You don't like what is being taught in public schools? Then either teach your children to think for themselves and to understand the variety of opinions you will find in realms such as science, or put them in a private school.

Perspective. ID creationist are the kissing cousins of the taliban. They are just in larvae stage here in the US still. Get with it CSLEPAGE

re: #14 HelloDare

I wish God would tell these creationists to shut up.

Monty Python springs immediately to mind. Either the talking head in the sky, or John Cleese repeating "Shut up, please" in that one sketch... Take your pick

OT

Not to sound like a $cientologist, but if you possibly can avoid it, try not to take long-term antidepressants. I'm at the end, I hope, of a month-long taper off of a drug, and SSRI withdrawal is icky. So woozy right now.

Still, it helped when I needed it. I'm glad to be quitting, but it's hard on the bod. Avoid these strong drugs if possible.

re: #46 cslepage

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

Really? So you were happier when there were terror attacks every other day, resulting in mass murders and atrocities?

Interesting.

I thought we were supposed to be glad that terrorism is on the decline.

re: #58 realwest

You can't stop true believers from spouting their dogma unless you:
1. outlaw them
2. eliminate them
But we know those are not solutions used in the U.S.A.

re: #40 Purple Prose

I love all of these anti-irrationalist threads. It is part and parcel with opposition to Islamist absolutism. The rationalism we inherited from the Renaissance and the Enlightenment are the foundation of the modern West and our best defense against all medieval forces that wish to throw us back into an age of darkness. Yet, all the same, I wish there were more posts directly pertaining to the most clear and immediate medieval threat that faces us: Islamism.

Evolution as a scientific discipline and the teaching of this science is not nearly as threatened by irrationalists as Western civilization (including Christianity and scientific thought) as a whole is by a specific breed of irrationalist: Islamism.

CAIR and all the other related organizations are still on the march, working day and night to undermine the foundations of democratic liberal (in the classical sense) society. Their financial and ideological supporters abroad are also working, day and night, to extend sharia, acutely aware of the soft spots of open Western societies.

That is the most immediate and imminent and dangerous threat we all face, Christian, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, secular humanist or atheist.

I apologize for updinging you. You usually do so much better than this post.

This blog can walk the anti-jihadist walk and chew the pro-science gum at the same time.

No idiotarionism should be immune. None should be given short shrift on behalf of any other.

And Islamocreationism and the domestic Christian variety have recently become bedfellows.

Principled opposition to irrationalism does not discriminate as to which irrationalisms to and to not oppose. They are all enemies of logic, reason, rationality, the acceptance of facts, and the acknowledgement of empirical evidence. No idiotarian cow should be sacred, and any deserving idiotarian ox may be gored.

re: #56 Sharmuta

That's because there already is an answer, but they don't like it, so they have to have a different question in order to get the answer they've already preconceived.

"Question me an answer loud and clear. I will answer with a question, clear and bright."

From a musical somewhere, can't for the life of me remember where. I'm thinking Disney, but heck, I don't know. Just popped into my head!

re: #54 ggt

the iPod had a Pritzker Military Library Medal of Honor Podcast for us.
It was a talk with this guy. He was played by Greg Kinnear in the movie "We Were Soldiers".

74 years old and still funny.

re: #71 Charles

Really? So you were happier when there were terror attacks every other day, resulting in mass murders and atrocities?

Interesting.

I thought we were supposed to be glad that terrorism is on the decline.

And I am. Sorry my sarcasm flew over your head into the firmament.

re: #72 IslandLibertarian

Well they do have their first amendment rights. We just have to ignore them.

re: #65 cslepage

I believe in the literal story of creation in Genesis. And, the first Chapter of Genesis describes a firmament that contains the planets and the stars, and the firmament the birds fly in. It's not precisely a layer between two things, and it's not a single item. The Bible describes three types of "heavens": one, this planet's atmosphere, two, the universe, and three, Heaven.

Well, that clarifies why you're complaining about the pro-evolution posts.

I thought Buhdda was half clock?

re: #53 least

Ruh-roh.
I fergited about that term.
scuzzi.

This "Ho" forgives your transgressions! LOL!

re: #74 Russkilitlover

Indeed. Don't like the answer? Then just ask a different question!

It reminds me of leftists holding elections over and over until they get the results that they want, or Soviet basketball replaying 3 seconds of a game over and over until they got the result they wanted. Denial can be a demanding mistress.

re: #68 hazzyday

ID creationist are the kissing cousins of the taliban. They are just in larvae stage here in the US still.

/by all means, say something else really stupid

re: #73 Salamantis

gored and barbequed!

I hope Charles posts about whatever the hell he wants to post about. Some of you don't seem to recognize how much of a responsibility it is to update a blog everyday. The Innertubes are clogged with blogs that haven't been updated for years. Maintaining enthusiasm for the same topic day in and day out must be easy for some. I already know I couldn't do it. I would get fed up with the whining and dictating and slow news days inside of a month, let alone the long years that Charles has been doing it.

re: #76 cslepage

Clearly, your sarcasm is just too sophisticated for most everyone here. Humble and abject apologies for our ignorance.

/ah ... here's a little tool to help clarify the tone of this post

re: #46 cslepage

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

Like most things, this won't be solved by running for office. You don't like what is being taught in public schools? Then either teach your children to think for themselves and to understand the variety of opinions you will find in realms such as science, or put them in a private school.

Actually, the issue is already determined, by the application of the 1st Amendment, as was done in the Dover case with Creationism 2.0 (intelligent design). But true believers are nothing if not persistent, so the courts keep having to prohibit the teaching of Creationism 2.1, and 2.2, and 3.0, and so on, in public high school science classes.

BTW: I'm damn glad that the Bush administration has been as successful against terrorism as it has been. I cannot imagine what sort of mindset would prefer otherwise.

re: #76 cslepage

And I am. Sorry my sarcasm flew over your head into the firmament.

Hmmm until I know someone well i take them literally at their printed word. You can't claim sarcasm post snark unless you /sarc'd yourself.

I can untroll someone once I know them better if they started out trolling.

re: #72 IslandLibertarian
Thank you for that. I thought the entire thrust of this ID/Creationism thing was that ID/Creationism shouldn't be taught in public schools - at least not as "science" and frankly I'd rather not have religion taught in any way in public or taxpayer assisted schools. I didn't think that the whole ID/Creationist stuff was about what people believe in personally.

But I'd still like to know what PTTCP means or stands for.

These guys are not creationists, they are Bibleists.

A 58 year old fossil hunter taking college courses...

I wouldn't even need to know about his stance on anything else to know that he wouldn't get my vote.

That stuff from his website homepage Charles included here is pure weirdo cuckoo bullcrap that only has meaning in the mind of the author...and probably all of the author's other friends also occupying the same space in his brain. My Star Trek Universal Translator couldn't even decipher the demented offerings.

For those who missed it earlier....
The Genius of Charles Darwin
Aired on Chanel 4 last week.
/Namaste, y,all

re: #58 realwest

Uh, I don't know what you mean by PTTCP - would you mind explaining it for me?

Power to the Correct People!
PTTCP
It is a tongue-in-cheek paly on the '60s mantra I came up with back when I converted to Libertarianism. I imagined Elite-Progressive-Liberals standing around, sipping wine and saying "Well of course, but power to the "Correct" people."
But upon further thought, I realized there are correct people and incorrect people when it comes to having real power. Especially power to govern.
If you think about it, you can come up with a list of incorrect people you do not want to have real power over you.

Peace

re: #67 MandyManners

Glad you attached that sarc thingy.

What else could there be, but a BIG sacr tag to all things creationisn, ID, evolution. All believe what they believe. All will see facts that fit their belief. I, for one, would never belittle a fervent belief, but neither will I deny my own to assuage someone else's belief.

re: #89 maddogg

They are snake-oil salesmen. Nothing more. They have an emotional agenda they can use to mobilize people into giving them the power they crave.

re: #88 realwest

Power To The Correct People.

Not an acronym I can personally get behind, but that's what it stands for.

re: #69 Pawn of the Oppressor

Monty Python springs immediately to mind. Either the talking head in the sky, or John Cleese repeating "Shut up, please" in that one sketch... Take your pick

Don't forget the hilarious "Come and see the violence inherent in the system" bit in the Holy Grail movie, where Graham Chapman's King Arthur tells the proto-communist peasants to shut up :)

Help! Help! I'm Being Repressed

re: #47 Russkilitlover

But it creates such a serendipitous situation to have us bickering amongst ourselves vis-a-via creationism, ID, evolution. We'll keep hammering each other and before we know it....Sharia! End of all discussions.

I don't think that joining hands with Christian anti-science religious irrationalists and singing Kum Ba Ya with them will protect us from Islamic anti-science religious irrationalists, or from religious irrationalism in general, any more than I think that joining hands with eurofascists and singing Kum Ba Ya with them will protect us from Islamofascists, or from fascism in general.

re: #64 Lynn B.

You're right, of course. Charles really should start getting up to speed on that whole Islamism/CAIR thing 'cause clearly this is news to him...

/oy vey

None of the above. I just wish we'd have more opportunities to discuss the continuing - with no signs of abatement - onslaught of Islamism. The legal system will take care of ID/creationism, as we have seen it doing. It has scientific leg to stand on. The only thing that could change that is if vocal Islamists in different locales force the issue. Then it takes on a new dimension. Not only is political correctness engaged, but the very real threat that judges and many other public officials, as well as craven administrators in schools and universities, will capitulate. We have no problem as a society standing up to Christian fundamentalism, if it is irrational, but we DO have a problem standing up to Islamic fundamentalism. It's partly political correctness and multiculturalism and partly a real fear that, if as an individual you stand up against it, you and your family will be under threat. They've got us in a double bind, using both tolerance and fear of violence against us. That is what will kill the teaching of evolution, along with, ultimately, the worship of any God but Allah, well before all the Christian IDer extremists can impose anything upon society. We have to focus on what the most direct and immediate threat is.

re: #84 Salem

I hope Charles posts about whatever the hell he wants to post about. Some of you don't seem to recognize how much of a responsibility it is to update a blog everyday.

It's his blog/site. He can post whatever he wants to. Never said he shouldn't. I am curious to know if the target in these sorts of stories are "creationists", or the story of creation in the Bible, or both. Is the effort to counter the teaching of evolution in public schools with the teaching of "creationism" the objectionable thing here, or is the idea of creation itself the offender?

re: #81 Sharmuta

But do you know what I quoted? it's driving me crazy now until I find it. I'll be up half the night and probably have really weird dreams!

A fossil hunter who supports intelligent design...

Isn't that a bit like a criminal justice major supporting sharia law? Okay, bad analogy. How about a mosquito that supports deet?

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,”

Wow. Just. Wow.

spear-it (spirit)

evil-utionist = ape-iest = malarki-ologist

a “scientist” sighs... then tests

... there are NO PERKS in purgatory

Life is a short story with a L o n g e n d i n g.

You can’t get to Heaven with deeds alone - What you will need is a real understanding of abstracts.

Loses points in the poetry competition, but gains a few in abstract thought. Specifically, two points:

b: difficult to understand
c: insufficiently factual

re: #90 mfarmer1

A 58 year old fossil hunter taking college courses...

You're never too old to learn something new.

re: #73 Salamantis

I apologize for updinging you. You usually do so much better than this post.

This blog can walk the anti-jihadist walk and chew the pro-science gum at the same time.

It's not that. It's just a ratio thing. The ratio of one type of thread to another. It's also a preference thing. We evolved by evolution, and I believe in that. However, my greatest fear for our society is less a bunch of ID/creationists and much more a bunch of far-better funded and organized and legally protected Islamists.

re: #73 Salamantis
"And Islamocreationism and the domestic Christian variety have recently become bedfellows."
Really? I remember Charles putting up a thread about some idiots from the DI, forgive me for repeating myself, were talking to and maybe gettng money from Islamic Creationists.
But here I sit, a self-avowed and unashamed Christian, a believer in God, Jesus Christ and evolution and I'm opposed to teaching any kind of religion in Public Schools and yet you would put ME in league with Islamocrationists (that you would put me in bed with the ID/Creationsists is bad enough)?

Hey I was actually born and raised in Kansas. When I was there, the schools didn't teach noahsarkeology like the fossil hunter is attempting to but I see they tried to get creationism installed in the intervening years. It's great that there's a return to science and sanity in my home state.

re: #99 cslepage

I think with most of us it's the cloaking of pseudo science terms around a philosophy. Nothing wrong with the creation story in any venue EXCEPT a science classroom. The problem with shills like the Discovery Institute they want a story treated as hard core science.

Am I the only one in America that thinks Paris Hilton's ad proves she is a dimwit? The fact that she is smarter than Obama is not a surprise, but the thought this fool thinks her condescending view of white haired men (dad?) amounts to an argument is mind boggling.

I wish we could come up with some type of time machine, something where we could see into the past. Perhaps something that could show what the universe was like say 17 million years ago.

Like a Telescope

re: #65 cslepage

I believe in the literal story of creation in Genesis. And, the first Chapter of Genesis describes a firmament that contains the planets and the stars, and the firmament the birds fly in. It's not precisely a layer between two things, and it's not a single item. The Bible describes three types of "heavens": one, this planet's atmosphere, two, the universe, and three, Heaven.

And the contents of the genes of all living things testify to their evolutionary divergence from a common ancestry, not their separate creation as is in 6 days, just as radiometrically dated fossils and rocks and the light from distant stars and the red shift of the Big Bang echo testify to 2+ billion year old terrestrial life, a 4.6 billion year old earth, and a 13.7 billion year old universe, not something only 6000 years old.

re: #92 IslandLibertarian
Ah, thanks - I shoulda been able to figure that out - it's been used out here often enough!

And Peace right back atcha!

re: #105 kay1212

It's great that there's a return to science and sanity in my home state.

I don't accept evolution as evidence of "sane science" anymore than I do global warming.

re: #82 Killian Bundy

/by all means, say something else really stupid

Discovery Institute Creationism as propagated by the Intelligent Design tactic leads to the same social conclusion as the Taliban does. If you consider yourself a Creationist and can't separate yourself from the Discovery Institute. I can't help yah. Young Earth Creationist's who ply themselves against evolution exist to be embarassed.

The many offended commentors in evolution threads who are just attracted to the propoganda of the words "intelligent design" and then assume the Discovery Institute is all cake and ice cream are sour people indeed. It's a message that bears repeating.

It's fine to want more spirituality in society. ID is not "The Way". People who attach themselves to ID should be viewed with some suspicion. As evidenced by their nefarious activitites in the political and educational system.

If you are an ID supporter shame on you for being dishonest. :-)

re: #107 pat

Am I the only one in America that thinks Paris Hilton's ad proves she is a dimwit? The fact that she is smarter than Obama is not a surprise, but the thought this fool thinks her condescending view of white haired men (dad?) amounts to an argument is mind boggling.

She has damn good legs, that rates some consideration with me:)

re: #102 cslepage

You're never too old to learn something new.

That would be fine if he was running for County Fossil Catcher.

re: #101 Slumbering Behemoth

“These evolutionists are saying that Jesus was half-chimpanzee, so was Mohammed and Buddha,”

Buddha, Jesus and Mohammed may be less because there's no historical proof that any of them ever existed but real people are about 98% chimp.

re: #111 cslepage

I don't accept evolution as evidence of "sane science" anymore than I do global warming.

But literal Biblical creation is "sane science", huh?

re: #98 Purple Prose

Really, PP, I don't think you'll find a blog anywhere that offers "more opportunities to discuss the continuing - with no signs of abatement - onslaught of Islamism" than LGF. And most of the ones that come close haven't been doing it for nearly as long.

But regardless ...

As many times as it's been said, I guess it needs to be said again. This is Charles' blog. He gets to decide what to post here and how often to post about it. What part of that is so difficult to understand that it has to be reiterated just about every day?

re: #95 Palandine Yeah, thanks - IslandLibertarian was kind enough to explain it to me at #92!

re: #104 realwest

Teaching any kind of religious "human beginnings" in a non-scientific realm just begs for zealotry, does it not?

re: #113 maddogg

Not my type. I prefer the full package. This girl is a few burgers less than a Take Out.

re: #100 Russkilitlover

Wish I could help, but you've stumped me too.

re: #99 cslepage

Oh, Charles HATES Christians and Jews who believe in the
Bible. That's why he's so supportive of Israel, and why he's spent the past SEVEN YEARS pointing out the Islamofascist threat, multiple times, every day, for free. It was all a clever ruse to draw people in and then BLAMMO! reveal his evil, anti-Christian and anti-Jewish hatreds.

/that new thing called sarcasm

cslepage, there's been a metric crapton of these threads, which have made very clear that Charles has a problem with teaching what is essentially a religious belief in public schools. That is all. Read and learn, and if the posts offend you, don't read them.

I agree with Salem above--the reason I never started a blog is because I am incapable of providing the free ice cream multiple times a day. I am in awe of folks like Charles, and James Lileks, who produce astonishing quality, every day, for free.

re: #12 Sharmuta

Oh, damn. And I was looking so forward to Purgatory perks. I'm crushed!

You don't get Purgatory Perks unless you are in the business of buying/selling indulgences.

Algore seems to have a lock on carbon indulgences, but I imagine a good competitor could edge him out. ;)

re: #87 hazzyday

Hmmm until I know someone well i take them literally at their printed word. You can't claim sarcasm post snark unless you /sarc'd yourself.

I can untroll someone once I know them better if they started out trolling.

Who better to take literally than a Biblical Genesis literalist?

re: #107 pat

Am I the only one in America that thinks Paris Hilton's ad proves she is a dimwit? The fact that she is smarter than Obama is not a surprise, but the thought this fool thinks her condescending view of white haired men (dad?) amounts to an argument is mind boggling.

I can't stand her, don't give a twit about her, and I'm still trying to figure out why anyone else cares either.

However, I thought the bit was very funny.

re: #99 cslepage

It's his blog/site. He can post whatever he wants to. Never said he shouldn't. I am curious to know if the target in these sorts of stories are "creationists", or the story of creation in the Bible, or both. Is the effort to counter the teaching of evolution in public schools with the teaching of "creationism" the objectionable thing here, or is the idea of creation itself the offender?

Why is it that the people who seem to be most acutely sensitive to the number of anti-ID posts here seem to be the most clueless as to their content?

The answers to your questions would be abundantly clear if you bothered to actually read the threads you're complaining about. Or even the disclaimer that appears at the top of many of them.

Moonbat of the Day:

Woman in Northern California has never seen a rainbow caused by a lawn sprinkler, blames evil conspiracy.

My (lack of) God! What a moron!

(HT: Rachel Lucas)

re: #120 pat

Not my type. I prefer the full package. This girl is a few burgers less than a Take Out.

Yeah, but she has damn good legs!

re: #123 Slumbering Behemoth

You don't get Purgatory Perks unless you are in the business of buying/selling indulgences.

Huh- I thought that's exactly what sharmutas did. ;)

re: #99 cslepage FWIW, I've always understood it to mean the teaching of ID/Creationism as a "science" course or as part of a science course in public or taxpayer assisted schools.
And that I am very firmly against.
I don't really care what other people feel in their hearts, unless of course what they feel threatens me or mine.

re: #112 hazzyday

Discovery Institute Creationism as propagated by the Intelligent Design tactic leads to the same social conclusion as the Taliban does.

Prattle on Chicken Little.

/hysterical idiocy is nothing to be proud of

re: #122 Palandine

I agree with Salem above--the reason I never started a blog is because I am incapable of providing the free ice cream multiple times a day.

WTH!

You guys are getting ice cream? Where's the line for that? I want some.

re: #108 Racer X

I wish we could come up with some type of time machine, something where we could see into the past. Perhaps something that could show what the universe was like say 17 million years ago.

I have asked myself where I would like to go in history (if I was guaranteed a way back) and one of the places was the time of Christ's life, just to know.
Until then, I have to live through Christopher Moore's imagination of "Lamb, The Gospel according to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal."

re: #132 Racer X

WTH!

You guys are getting ice cream? Where's the line for that? I want some.

I don't know about ice cream, but there's always fruitcup at 0200 hrs PST.

/oh yeah and sunday buffet specials.

re: #98 Purple Prose

None of the above. I just wish we'd have more opportunities to discuss the continuing - with no signs of abatement - onslaught of Islamism. The legal system will take care of ID/creationism, as we have seen it doing. It has scientific leg to stand on. The only thing that could change that is if vocal Islamists in different locales force the issue. Then it takes on a new dimension. Not only is political correctness engaged, but the very real threat that judges and many other public officials, as well as craven administrators in schools and universities, will capitulate. We have no problem as a society standing up to Christian fundamentalism, if it is irrational, but we DO have a problem standing up to Islamic fundamentalism. It's partly political correctness and multiculturalism and partly a real fear that, if as an individual you stand up against it, you and your family will be under threat. They've got us in a double bind, using both tolerance and fear of violence against us. That is what will kill the teaching of evolution, along with, ultimately, the worship of any God but Allah, well before all the Christian IDer extremists can impose anything upon society. We have to focus on what the most direct and immediate threat is.

The most immediate threat is that the selfsame Christian creationists who are behind the scenes getting laws like the one in Louisiana passed are the very ones who are networking with Islamocreationists in the Middle East. Wake up and smell the Turkish tobacco and the chicory coffee!

re: #132 Racer X

Sub-basement 3B, Denver International Airport.

The password is "Regis"--the name of Ambassador John Bolton's mustache.

re: #127 The Other Les

Moonbat of the Day:

Woman in Northern California has never seen a rainbow caused by a lawn sprinkler, blames evil conspiracy.

What a moron!

Bwahahahaha!

That is the funniest video I have ever seen!

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I have asked myself where I would like to go in history (if I was guaranteed a way back) and one of the places was the time of Christ's life, just to know.
Until then, I have to live through Christopher Moore's imagination of "Lamb, The Gospel according to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal."

I you went back to the time of Christ you would most likely die as the average life span was probably 35 years old

re: #106 BlueCanuck
With all due respect my friend, I'd druther not see religion of any type taught in public or otherwise taxpayer assisted schools, regardless of whether or not it's part of "science" or anything else (I am, of course, excluding philosophy courses which - mature soul that I am - I recall only being taught in colleges or Universities).

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I have asked myself where I would like to go in history (if I was guaranteed a way back) and one of the places was the time of Christ's life, just to know.

You are living in the time of Christ, but his name is Barack........

re: #136 Palandine

Sub-basement 3B, Denver International Airport.

The password is "Regis"--the name of Ambassador John Bolton's mustache.

Thank you thank you thank you!

I am over in sector 42 sub-basement 5 now. I'll come over in about 10 minutes. Save me some?

re: #99 cslepage

It's his blog/site. He can post whatever he wants to. Never said he shouldn't. I am curious to know if the target in these sorts of stories are "creationists", or the story of creation in the Bible, or both. Is the effort to counter the teaching of evolution in public schools with the teaching of "creationism" the objectionable thing here, or is the idea of creation itself the offender?

The attempt to force the public schools to indoctrinate other peoples' kids into sectarian religious dogmas in public high school science classes is the issue. Like they tried to do in Kansas (this post addresses that). Like they tried to do in Pennnsylvania (this has been extensively discussed onsite). Like they are presently trying to do in Louisiana (the law passage and Jindal signage that began these discussions).

re: #108 Racer X

I wish we could come up with some type of time machine, something where we could see into the past. Perhaps something that could show what the universe was like say 17 million years ago.

Like a Telescope

I am outlining an article for a mere 25,000 years back in my locale. Info slowly coming in . Quite difficult, particularly the botany. It actually might take 4 or 5 years to write 3,000 words accurately. Fascinating really.

re: #114 mfarmer1
ROTFL!

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I have asked myself where I would like to go in history (if I was guaranteed a way back) and one of the places was the time of Christ's life, just to know.
Until then, I have to live through Christopher Moore's imagination of "Lamb, The Gospel according to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal."

I'm no Christian but I find myself agreeing with your choice. Aside from the real historical Jesus being around, those were interesting times. Israel under the Romans would be worth visiting.

My second choice would be a toss-up between Europe in the latter half of the 18th century, or to be along with the first explorers of "The New World", so I could see what America looked like before it was settled.

re: #135 Salamantis

The most immediate threat is that the selfsame Christian creationists who are behind the scenes getting laws like the one in Louisiana passed are the very ones who are networking with Islamocreationists in the Middle East. Wake up and smell the Turkish tobacco and the chicory coffee!

How about the threat of evolutionists like yourself in bed with PC leftism that is Really in bed with Islamist terrorists'?

re: #137 Racer X

Bwahahahaha!

That is the funniest video I have ever seen!

ROFL. I believe the sirens in the video were the guys in white coats coming with the straight jacket.

re: #116 Sharmuta

But literal Biblical creation is "sane science", huh?

Let's reread this: "And the contents of the genes of all living things testify to their evolutionary divergence from a common ancestry, not their separate creation as is in 6 days, just as radiometrically dated fossils and rocks and the light from distant stars and the red shift of the Big Bang echo testify to 2+ billion year old terrestrial life, a 4.6 billion year old earth, and a 13.7 billion year old universe, not something only 6000 years old."

Given that no one here can prove to me we have accurately viewed and understood the contents of the genes of all living things, fossils, lights from distant stars, etc. ; given that we take what is believed in that paragraph as the truth based upon our faith in those who do the research and announce the findings, even though it's all only as good as the latest declaration, as in, we were entering a period of global cooling until we decided it must be global warming; I'd rather put my faith in something more substantial, in something that has better evidence backing it up and has produced better results.

If that makes me "irrational", so be it. I'll still gladly defend this country against the forces that want to destroy this country, side by side with any of you.

re: #137 Racer X

Bwahahahaha!

That is the funniest video I have ever seen!

Seriously, making rainbows was the best part of watering the lawn when I was growing up.

re: #131 Killian Bundy

Prattle on Chicken Little.

/hysterical idiocy is nothing to be proud of

Lol i am sorry if that hits close to home. ID fits very well with Taliban type excitment. It has nothing to do with history. All with what they both want done and how they want to do it.

re: #138 drmark

I you went back to the time of Christ you would most likely die as the average life span was probably 35 years old

But as a woman in her....ahem...mid-forties, with no children, my odds for survival are pretty good! In any case I would love to visit that time just to answer my own, numerous, questions. Oh, and as part of the deal, I would want a one-on-one hour "interview" with Jesus. Is that asking too much?

re: #132 Racer X

Actually we get vouchers for Ben and Jerry's with every Zionist check.

re: #146 drmark

Reason and Freedom have many enemies. We should stand opposed to any and all of them, for I think both Reason and Freedom are intricately tied together. How can Freedom survive without Reason?

re: #139 realwest

True, and you are right of course. But I have it seen used as a literature supplement at times. Proverbs and Psalms are perfect in that aspect.

re: #145 Pawn of the Oppressor

Well, just keep your smallpox virus under wraps. I hear that it will be blamed for all future ills! LOL!

re: #146 drmark

How about the threat of evolutionists like yourself in bed with PC leftism that is Really in bed with Islamist terrorists'?

Ah yes, the Secular God-Hating Bogeyman and his evil Morality-Destroying Science.

Hint: the guy who's influence you want to remove from the world was named "Jean-Jacques Rousseau", not "Charles Darwin". See also: French Revolution, Romanticism.

re: #152 ggt

Actually we get vouchers for Ben and Jerry's with every Zionist check.

Lucky dog, we only get Baskin and Robbins up here.

/BTW where's my latest zionist conspiracy cheque. :)

re: #143 pat

I am outlining an article for a mere 25,000 years back in my locale. Info slowly coming in . Quite difficult, particularly the botany. It actually might take 4 or 5 years to write 3,000 words accurately. Fascinating really.

That sounds VERY intriguing.

re: #78 Charles

Hi Charles,

I'm afraid the big tent you were able to maintain for your WOT focus is going to get a bit smaller with your new emphasis on the evolution issue. It's a wedge issue for those that have hitherto backed you; I imagine even some of the more orthodox Jews will be uncomfortable. Not that I think you should try to please all of the people all of the time.... and as a secular Zionist and scientist I happen to be on your side on this one.

Moe

re: #126 Lynn B.

Why is it that the people who seem to be most acutely sensitive to the number of anti-ID posts here seem to be the most clueless as to their content?

The answers to your questions would be abundantly clear if you bothered to actually read the threads you're complaining about. Or even the disclaimer that appears at the top of many of them.

Isn't this the way Obama reacts when someone disgrees with him?

/that new thing called sarcasm

re: #145 Pawn of the Oppressor

14-15th century Florence or 1200 -Naples.

re: #147 rightwinger3

ROFL. I believe the sirens in the video were the guys in white coats coming with the straight jacket.

They're coming to take me away, hah ha!

re: #151 Russkilitlover

re: #151 Russkilitlover

But as a woman in her....ahem...mid-forties, with no children, my odds for survival are pretty good! In any case I would love to visit that time just to answer my own, numerous, questions. Oh, and as part of the deal, I would want a one-on-one hour "interview" with Jesus. Is that asking too much?

A daily relationship with Jesus Today through the Holy Spirit and you can ask all the questions you like.....

#138 drmark

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I have asked myself where I would like to go in history (if I was guaranteed a way back) and one of the places was the time of Christ's life, just to know.
Until then, I have to live through Christopher Moore's imagination of "Lamb, The Gospel according to Biff, Christ's Childhood Pal."

I you went back to the time of Christ you would most likely die as the average life span was probably 35 years old

Perhaps you missed the highlighted portion?

re: #159 Moe Katz

Therein lies the difference between a man of principle and a politician.

re: #103 Purple Prose

It's not that. It's just a ratio thing. The ratio of one type of thread to another. It's also a preference thing. We evolved by evolution, and I believe in that. However, my greatest fear for our society is less a bunch of ID/creationists and much more a bunch of far-better funded and organized and legally protected Islamists.

Check the ratios. When issues relating to Islam, terrorism, Iraq, Iran, Hezbollah, Hamas, etc. come up, they are addressed. It sounds to me like you are complaining less about those issues being neglected (which they aren't being) than about this one also being addressed. It hasn't been an 'instead of' thing; it's been an 'in addition to' thing.

I remember the selfsame complaints being made when the LGF investigations into the connections between the eurofascists and the domestic racists began. Please don't shine a klieg on MY cockroaches; unlike those others, they are NICE and BENIGN bugs, HELPFUL, even, and don't deserve that nasty spotlight. And there's REALLY NOTHING to SEE here; just turn away and move along, please...

re: #164 solomonpanting

No

re: #157 BlueCanuck

I hear if you are ever in the area, Charles has a pretty nifty creamery and microbrewery in Sub-basement, er, well, you know.

re: #98 Purple Prose

None of the above. I just wish we'd have more opportunities to discuss the continuing - with no signs of abatement - onslaught of Islamism.

Oh. For. Pete's. Sake.

This is an open-comments blog with a minimalist degree of post hoc moderation applied in extreme cases of abuse -- meaning that if you find an online story about the onslaught of Islamism, you're allowed to post about it in ANY THREAD YOU WISH. You can even highlight the story by adding it to the Links Viewer at the top of the main page. In short, it's not really the shortage of "opportunities for discussion" that you're griping about, is it?

(Incidentally, I didn't notice you popping up in the recent zombietime thread to complain that photo essays on ultra-gay S&M toiletpig fetishists in San Francisco are an unnecessary distraction from the fight against Islamic jihad.)

re: #167 drmark

No

Perhaps, then, you didn't understand the highlighted portion?

Facts:

Speed of light is 186,282.397 miles per second.

Telescopes can see light from other galaxies that are millions of years old. No carbon dating necessary.

Is it really that much of a stretch to conclude Earth is closer to 4.5 billion years old? Or did the creator do Earth just recently, and all of those other galaxies mbillions of years ago?

re: #104 realwest

"And Islamocreationism and the domestic Christian variety have recently become bedfellows."
Really? I remember Charles putting up a thread about some idiots from the DI, forgive me for repeating myself, were talking to and maybe gettng money from Islamic Creationists.
But here I sit, a self-avowed and unashamed Christian, a believer in God, Jesus Christ and evolution and I'm opposed to teaching any kind of religion in Public Schools and yet you would put ME in league with Islamocrationists (that you would put me in bed with the ID/Creationsists is bad enough)?

In that case, you are not the domestic Christian variety of creationist, then are you? methinks you take offence when none is intended, if you truly are how you self-represent...

What's with the posters who have been around a long time and posted little? Is there a full moon?

re: #119 Russkilitlover
"Teaching any kind of religious "human beginnings" in a non-scientific realm just begs for zealotry, does it not?"
I don't know. I do know that while, for obvious reasons (the DI and all) we've focused pretty closely on the Christian aspect of it, but not so much on Hinduism, or Budhisim or for that matter Judaism, Atheism or Angosticism. Do you think teaching any "human beggings" in a non-scientific realm just begs for zealotry?

re: #163 drmark

re: #151 Russkilitlover

A daily relationship with Jesus Today through the Holy Spirit and you can ask all the questions you like.....

Asking questions is great - I do it all the time. But answers? Yeah, no so much from a holy spirit. This may be my own impediment to religious certainty, but it is a bigggie.

Really there is no better time in history than right here is my point.

And we have great access t e past as well..

re: #155 Russkilitlover

Well, just keep your smallpox virus under wraps. I hear that it will be blamed for all future ills! LOL!

Seriously, something like 90+% of the native population of the Americas was killed by disease, not the White Man... Well, not the White Man directly, anyway... Not at first.

Alan Weisman's
The World Without Us mentions a project in New York which is modeling the environs of Manhattan in its pre-European-settlement state. The first people to see the future site of NYC were Dutchmen, in 1604, and it was just a flat island with some trees... I'd love to see the U.S. as it was, affected perhaps only by native activity. Supposedly the Spanish explorers found grass as high as the bellies of their horses in the south. This of course makes me wonder what the southern plains looked like. Supposedly Theodore Roosevelt's books are good for descriptions of the plains.

re: #168 ggt

Mmmmm, microbrewery. Yummm. Going to have to start making a travel itinerary for next summer.

/southern BBQ in Memphis, terrorizing red on the left coast, touring the grand lizardoid base under Denver. . . . . . ..

What's with the posre: #173 ggt

Whats with the posters that have time to post 25,000 comments?

re: #168 ggt

I hear if you are ever in the area, Charles has a pretty nifty creamery and microbrewery in Sub-basement, er, well, you know.

Does he make chocolate chip mint ice cream? That way, I could be clueless, irrational, and well fed at the same time.

re: #111 cslepage

I don't accept evolution as evidence of "sane science" anymore than I do global warming.

Then you simply don't accept scientific evidence whatsoever, and make no distinctions between kinds. Global Warming theory has only been around for a few years, and already scientists are leaving it in droves, because the data doesn't support it; OTOH, a century and a half of data supports evolutionary theory, and there is not a single shred of credible empirical evidence against it.

Mr. Beaumont = Mr. Wolf

re: #169 Throbert McGee

you're allowed to post about it in ANY THREAD YOU WISH. You can even highlight the story by adding it to the Links Viewer at the top of the main page. In short, it's not really the shortage of "opportunities for discussion" that you're griping about, is it?

Absolutely! I really don't understand why the comments section for spinoff threads isn't utilized more by people not interested in this topic. There is no stopping anyone from starting their own thread about whatever topic the find suitable nor discussing that topic on a spinoff thread provided.

re: #175 Russkilitlover

Ask and you'll receive .. seek and yo'ull find .. Knock and the door will be opened..
Just be patient

re: #168 ggt

I hear if you are ever in the area, Charles has a pretty nifty creamery and microbrewery in Sub-basement, er, well, you know.

ixnay on the rewerybray.

That is for level 5 Lizards only.

Sorry.

re: #150 hazzyday

Lol i am sorry if that hits close to home. ID fits very well with Taliban type excitment. It has nothing to do with history. All with what they both want done and how they want to do it.

Look, those who believe in Creation have comprised a large segment of American society since it's inception. In fact, up until the early 20th century, Creation was taught as science. Did that lead to a Taliban like society? Ever since then, American society and public education has become more secular with time.

Name one public school district in the United States where ID/Creationism is currently taught as part of an approved science curriculum?

Take your time.

/or run around screaming "the sky is falling!" for all I care

re: #173 ggt

What's with the posters who have been around a long time and posted little? Is there a full moon?

No, actually I just came in from outside. It's one of those muslim looking moons.

re: #179 drmark

Well, let's see. ummmm, we know who they are. They don't come out of the dark with strongly worded posts and pick fights.

and mostly, well, I'd like to get to know you a bit before I start the BBQ.

re: #117 Lynn B.

Yes, I know. I am just voicing an opinion about how much a threat creationism/ID is to a rational and free society compared to Islam. I am not advocating a reconciliation with creationists/IDers. You cannot reconcile with those who are irrational. My own opinion on the matter is that not only are we descended from apes but we are apes. We are a species of ape. That is science.

Nonetheless, I have no fear of creationists/IDers. They try as they might and gain no traction, as the present post demonstrates. We are in no danger of having rationalism overturned by those who believe in a literal and absolutist interpretation of the Bible. The Bible is a great book of moral truths that may stem directly from God or be inspired by God, but a literal interpretation of the Bible in a rigorous way is absurd. The world simply is not 5-6K years old, and we were not created as Adam and Even, with Cain and Abel as their offspring, Cain offing Abel, and then Cain somehow producing offspring with some unmentioned female. Obviously, this is absurd, and the courts of law and most school districts (even before it gets to any court of law) will reject this absurdity.

So I have no fear of creationism or ID. I do have a fear of Islamists. Why? They are protected by political correctness from direct public criticism and they have a huge group of organizations in the West and foreign money to back them. They are the only force that could overturn the teaching of science. The fact that some creationists/IDers have sought out Islamic partners is just a testament to the fact that Christian fundamentalist creationists/IDers know that they have lost the battle and can not possibly win it - unless the rules change.

Islamism is the only force that could fundamentally change the nature of our society.

Recently in the news, the story of an Aafia Siddiqui broke. She was an undergraduate at MIT and then earned a Ph.D. at Brandeis. Yet she went back to her home of Pakistan, but not to better that country. She slipped into Afghanistan and was caught with plans to commit terrorist acts and then went crazy on her captors.

That says it all. We can go to great lengths to try to introduce and educate Islamists to a better way of life, yet it's all for naught. In fact, they seem to become radicalized in the West. That is a topic for discussion.

re: #180 cslepage

You'd have to ask him.

re: #132 Racer X
Don't be silly my friend! No one is standing in line for ice cream.
It's usually delivered promptly to us as we type away on our computers. Well, except for those few who type away while nude! Um, say you don't......!

re: #181 Salamantis

The sad thing is that scientists supported Global Warming without evidence in the first place. It means they are subject to influence by their prejudices, just like any person walking down the street, and they did not learn the first rule of the scientific method.

re: #187 Pvt Bin Jammin

ah!

re: #46 cslepage

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

You should probably read my analysis here.

To build on that, there is just one post on the front page dealing with "creationism" (this one here dealing only loosely with creationism itself, and more so with the electorate of Kansas reacting to the political agenda of creationists). How a about current front page breakdown, please correct me if I am missing something:

Islam related: 9 posts
Open Thread/Picture related: 8 posts
POTUS Election related: 6 posts
Tech related: 3 posts
Music related: 1 post
Domestic Terrorism related: 1 post
Russian Author related: 1 post
Creationism related: 1 post
Evolution related: 1 post

Maybe you're just having a hard time seeing all the other posts here?

re: #174 realwest

"Teaching any kind of religious "human beginnings" in a non-scientific realm just begs for zealotry, does it not?"
I don't know. I do know that while, for obvious reasons (the DI and all) we've focused pretty closely on the Christian aspect of it, but not so much on Hinduism, or Budhisim or for that matter Judaism, Atheism or Angosticism. Do you think teaching any "human beggings" in a non-scientific realm just begs for zealotry?

Well yes, yes I do. And for such reasons, these questions should be left to the spiritual realm provided by the church(es) and/or other beliefs, and not

re: #185 Racer X

sorry, I forgot.

No alcohol guys, only ice cream.

re: #188 ggt

Point taken

re: #189 Purple Prose

But islamists are themselves creationists.

Well, Lizards, I have to sleep.

weet dreams!

re: #145 Pawn of the Oppressor Mmmmm - I think my first choice woud to be back in the early 1800's with the Mountain Men and Trappers who saw some of the magnficience of this great nation before anyone except the First Americans.

re: #47 Russkilitlover

It does not matter the identity or intent of the thugs assaulting the castle walls, you have to be prepared to repel them all. And by the appropriate means for each one.

re: #188 ggt

You do.nt need to BBQ I am old and done already......

re: #191 realwest

Um, say you don't......!

LOL!

Sure - I'll say that.

Night ggt, weet dreams.

re: #150 hazzyday
Sorry, I know you asked that of Killian, but I'd like to sorta jump in hear: " ID fits very well with Taliban type excitment."
Do you really believe that?

re: #185 Racer X

ixnay on the rewerybray.

That is for level 5 Lizards only.

Sorry.

What's a level 5 Lizard, and how does one qualify?

/might have to work harder.

re: #189 Purple Prose

My own opinion on the matter is that not only are we descended from apes but we are apes. We are a species of ape. That is science.

So I'm not so much half chimpanzee as much as I am 100% ape?

I'm glad we cleared that up.

re: #146 drmark

How about the threat of evolutionists like yourself in bed with PC leftism that is Really in bed with Islamist terrorists'?

How about your following the Disco Institute's Wedge Document strategy to a 'T', and engaging in lying and gratuitous slander and slimage? But of course anyone who uses the term 'evolutionist' has already given their Genesis literalist creationist agenda away...

It's not US evolution sites that are linking with |islamocreationists like Harun Yahya and sending people over to attend and speak at their conferences; it's creationist political front organizations like the Disco Institute and the Institute for Creation Resmirch.

re: #151 Russkilitlover
Whooo! Could I be your camerman?!

re: #133 Russkilitlover

I have asked myself where I would like to go in history (if I was guaranteed a way back) and one of the places was the time of Christ's life, just to know.

Sounds like a pretty cool idea until you get back to the present and discover that Jesus Christ is now being worshipped as a voluptuous naked cyborg-woman with the head of a great white shark and titanium claws for hands -- all because you accidentally squished a butterfly during the Sermon on the Mount.

Sheesh, have we learned nothing from Ray Bradbury and The Simpsons?

re: #177 Pawn of the Oppressor

Seriously, something like 90+% of the native population of the Americas was killed by disease, not the White Man... Well, not the White Man directly, anyway... Not at first.

Alan Weisman's
The World Without Us mentions a project in New York which is modeling the environs of Manhattan in its pre-European-settlement state. The first people to see the future site of NYC were Dutchmen, in 1604, and it was just a flat island with some trees... I'd love to see the U.S. as it was, affected perhaps only by native activity. Supposedly the Spanish explorers found grass as high as the bellies of their horses in the south. This of course makes me wonder what the southern plains looked like. Supposedly Theodore Roosevelt's books are good for descriptions of the plains.

Spanish explores, such as Cortez first landed in Mexico, where the native population thought horses to be gods and specifically slaughtered them to minimize Spanish "shock and awe." It took the plains American Indians to see the horse's value as a guerrilla warfare weapon. By the time the Spanish got to what is now the US, the native population had figured out how to domesticate and utilize the horse.

How is hat a threat to yo and me?

re: #154 BlueCanuck
"I have it seen used as a literature supplement at times". Well that settles it I guess, I am officially OLD.
Fuck.

re: #206 BlueCanuck

What's a level 5 Lizard, and how does one qualify?

/might have to work harder.

Give that Lizard a cold beer!

Thats what I'm talkin about. Opportunity presents itself and right away the response is what can I do to get it? How can I work harder to achieve something worth while. You clearly demonstrate the qualities of a level 5 Lizard.

I'll put in a good word with your supervisor.

re: #148 cslepage

Let's reread this: "And the contents of the genes of all living things testify to their evolutionary divergence from a common ancestry, not their separate creation as is in 6 days, just as radiometrically dated fossils and rocks and the light from distant stars and the red shift of the Big Bang echo testify to 2+ billion year old terrestrial life, a 4.6 billion year old earth, and a 13.7 billion year old universe, not something only 6000 years old."

Given that no one here can prove to me we have accurately viewed and understood the contents of the genes of all living things, fossils, lights from distant stars, etc. ; given that we take what is believed in that paragraph as the truth based upon our faith in those who do the research and announce the findings, even though it's all only as good as the latest declaration, as in, we were entering a period of global cooling until we decided it must be global warming; I'd rather put my faith in something more substantial, in something that has better evidence backing it up and has produced better results.

If that makes me "irrational", so be it. I'll still gladly defend this country against the forces that want to destroy this country, side by side with any of you.

Common ancestry has proven to be true beyond rational statistical disputation for all the genomes we have so far decoded, both the genes themselves and the artifactual retroviral DNA sequences embedded inside them. And those genes remain in the genome, checkable and recheckable at will, while meteorological data changes more rapidly.

BTW: you don't like the results of evolutionary theory? Gene-splicing bacteria so that they produce medicines, or devour oil slicks? Inserting a Vitamin-A-producing gene sequence into the rice genome, so the grain contains Vitamin A, and millions of impoverished rice-eating kids don't grow up with rickets?

re: #214 Racer X

Thank you for that. ;)

It seems you promote Evolution... So what title would you prefer? Rather than Evolutionist.... My apologies.

re: #184 drmark

Ask and you'll receive .. seek and yo'ull find .. Knock and the door will be opened..
Just be patient

Okayyyy. That's so very helpful. Thanks. I just have always asked "why?" since I was knee high to an ant. Much to the consternation of my parents, but there you go.

re: #159 Moe Katz

Hi Charles,

I'm afraid the big tent you were able to maintain for your WOT focus is going to get a bit smaller with your new emphasis on the evolution issue. It's a wedge issue for those that have hitherto backed you; I imagine even some of the more orthodox Jews will be uncomfortable. Not that I think you should try to please all of the people all of the time.... and as a secular Zionist and scientist I happen to be on your side on this one.

Moe

It's a wedge issue for a small and fanatical minority of those...

Fixed that for ya.

Props to news reporter Jon Ralston, of Las Vegas Now Eyewitness News. A msm reporter who actually challenged Obama in an interview. We need to support these guys when they show up.

This is from Rush's website.

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com...]
Excerpt:

RALSTON: Maybe if there's a crisis in the future with nuclear waste storage, maybe you'll just say to Nevadans, "Well, I was against Yucca Mountain, but guess what? Now I'm for it."

OBAMA: No, well, the -- the -- eh, eh, eh, uh, uh... You know, I -- I -- Jon, don't put words in my mouth or anticipate what I'm going to do. I've been opposed to Yucca Mountain from the start. So if the suggestion is John McCain, who is in favor of Yucca right now, should get a pass on that --

RALSTON: I didn't say that!

OBAMA: -- whereas -- whereas -- where -- whereas I (arrogant laugh) who am adamantly opposed to it, somehow might be second-guessed, I think that doesn't make sense.

re: #186 Killian Bundy

Look, those who believe in Creation have comprised a large segment of American society since it's inception. In fact, up until the early 20th century, Creation was taught as science. Did that lead to a Taliban like society? Ever since then, American society and public education has become more secular with time.

Name one public school district in the United States where ID/Creationism is currently taught as part of an approved science curriculum?

Take your time.

/or run around screaming "the sky is falling!" for all I care

Ahh finally you wish to write something I can reply to. :-)

The Discovery Institute/Young Earther Creationist/ID folks have been in court several times as documented in the Ken Miller's video'
s in threads posted here. It's not for lack of trying. They are at the doors of our schools constantly the past few years.

When you say Creation then you do mean "young earth creationism" and you don't believe in evolution then? Since you are a long time lizard I will try and be more respective of your stated views. I have relatives that are yec'rs and I love them a lot. I try and avoid the conversation.

I have to laugh at myself. I pride myself on being a tolerant religious person. But the more and more I read about ID and DI, I just get the heebie jeebie's. They are becoming like troofers to me, I just want to meet one in public and laugh at them. I know I will pay in hell for it.

re: #210 Throbert McGee

LOL!

Isn't right here, right now really the place to be? We have all of this technology that allows humans to see just about any place on the planet. There are means to go visit just about any place on the planet, and very soon places a little farther away than our planet.

Life is good Right Here, Right Now

re: #218 Russkilitlover

Okayyyy. That's so very helpful. Thanks. I just have always asked "why?" since I was knee high to an ant. Much to the consternation of my parents, but there you go.

Are you being sarcastic?

re: #172 Salamantis
"methinks you take offence when none is intended, if you truly are how you self-represent..."
Now I have to hand it to you, that's probably the coolest way to suggest someone is a liar I've ever heard. Regretfully for you, I am not a liar.
Perhaps you ought to go back and read what you said - try to do it objectively, hard though that may be for any of us to do with our own writings - and see if no offense was intended with what you wrote.

re: #184 drmark

Ask and you'll receive .. seek and yo'ull find .. Knock and the door will be opened..
Just be patient

You Don't Knock

re: #219 Salamantis

It's a wedge issue for a small and fanatical minority of those...

Very nice. And your evidence for this belief is?

re: #209 realwest

Whooo! Could I be your camerman?!

Well, hubby is the professional photog in the family so he gets first dibs, but if he lacks the will for such an endeavor, then Heck Yeah! We'll go.

re: #225 solomonpanting

Awesome

re: #210 Throbert McGee

ROFLMAO! I shouldn't have swatted that #@W$% butterfly!

re: #173 ggt Nope, no full moon - either just folks who haven't had much to say in all the time they've been registered, or they are folks who are either sockpuppets or people who wait for one particular thread - and not necessarily ID/Creationist threads - I've seen them come out of the woodwork on many other types of threads, especially all the threads on the European Fascists.

re: #223 drmark

Are you being sarcastic?

Yes and no.

re: #229 Russkilitlover

Your Avatar looks like my Black Lab

What the creationists fail to understand is that evolution might be evidence of a beginning-something put forth by God and set into motion without a particular roadmap toward the place we are now. This re-writing of definitions is a perfect example of how creationists attempt to alter, propagate and influence the people in their flock. You can see, on a smaller scale how they're doing this. The existence of evolution as a scientific fact is itself evidence of the freewill of mankind. It is also evidence of evolutionary freewill for organisms as set forth by Him.

re: #219 Salamantis

It's a wedge issue for a small and fanatical minority of those...

Fixed that for ya.

A small minority of about one-half?

re: #179 drmark Well some of us have life-threatening illnesses and don't work and find it difficult to "get out and play"; others, I suspect, have very, ah forgiving, employers.

re: #84 Salem

I hope Charles posts about whatever the hell he wants to post about. Some of you don't seem to recognize how much of a responsibility it is to update a blog everyday. The Innertubes are clogged with blogs that haven't been updated for years. Maintaining enthusiasm for the same topic day in and day out must be easy for some. I already know I couldn't do it. I would get fed up with the whining and dictating and slow news days inside of a month, let alone the long years that Charles has been doing it.

Amen, Salem. Amen. And if I could add my own bit of funk to that: If this were my blog, I would wield the ban stick like a one-eyed, drunken monkey hopped up on crack. Charles is infinitely more patient and forgiving in this than many of us would ever be (including the whiners).

re: #231 Russkilitlover

Yes and no.

I figured.
Cliches have some truth in them.

re: #198 Sharmuta

But islamists are themselves creationists.

Exactly. My point is that we have nothing to fear from "domestic" literal creationists. They will never alone be able to counter the idea of evolution, which is grounded in science. What we have to fear is a force that can trump rational debate, Islamists. They have some trump cards.

First of all, Islamists play the PC/multiculti card to silence all opposition. Secondly, they have the financial backing to wage legal and all other forms of jihad to silence or destroy their opponents.

My point in this whole "exchange" has been that domestic creationists/IDers are not much of a threat to our society and the science that is a product of Western civilization.

The concept of evolution has survived far worse internal assaults than we see with ID. The overwhelming number of school boards reject ID rightly as being worthy of being called science. In the very small number of cases where this has recently gone to the courts, ID has died the same fate as old-fashioned creationism.

(As an aside, no, there is no fundamental incompatibility with the concept of evolution and the concept that God created the universe - there is simply a fact-based incompatibility between a literal interpretation of the Bible that the world is 5-6K years old and science.)

So, my point is that the biggest threat to our way of life is not some domestic creationists/IDers challenging the teaching of evolution but Islamism. Islamism will change our educational system and way of life, if we let it, while other threats will prove insignificant.

re: #235 realwest

Well some of us have life-threatening illnesses and don't work and find it difficult to "get out and play"; others, I suspect, have very, ah forgiving, employers.

I only have 54,000 to go to catch up my friend

re: #192 maddogg

The sad thing is that scientists supported Global Warming without evidence in the first place. It means they are subject to influence by their prejudices, just like any person walking down the street, and they did not learn the first rule of the scientific method.

Yes, but bad science is still science nonetheless, and it is being supplanted by better science as we speak. However, there is NO science in ID; it is, and has been from its Disco Institute inception, a rhetorically camouflaged religious dogma poorly masquerading as science. Just a failed and futile PR propaganda ploy to circumvent court decisions against the teaching of creationism in public school science class, and now with such a court ruling against it under its new name.

re: #46 cslepage

I think the Bush administration has been too successful against terrorism. I used to be able to count on coming here and reading story after story about terrorists, radical muslims, etc. Now I come here and almost always find a story about "creationism." Oh well.

Like most things, this won't be solved by running for office. You don't like what is being taught in public schools? Then either teach your children to think for themselves and to understand the variety of opinions you will find in realms such as science, or put them in a private school.

<blink>

TOO successful against terrorism?

Not solved by running for office?

I think you're using too much wrist.  You'll get more bites if you put the fly above an eddy or a small fall and let it wash down towards you before you pull back and cast again.

Registered since: Feb 2, 2005 at 3:38 pm

No. of comments posted: 24

... explains a lot.

}:)     [Mind your knuckles on the floor, I just mopped.]

re: #186 Killian Bundy
Hey Killian, I just KNEW I shoulda let you answer that one!

re: #205 realwest

Sorry, I know you asked that of Killian, but I'd like to sorta jump in hear: " ID fits very well with Taliban type excitement."
Do you really believe that?

I think the Discovery Institute and the Intelligent design process are corrupt efforts in our political and educational systems. For me they have a medieval base in the Dark Ages. I consider the Taliban though more violent and intolerant then American thinkers but to be coming out of the same type of Dark Ages. The fact that the Discovery Institute are routinely insincere and Intelligent Design has been used to attempt to force young earth creationism on the public school system. Then yes I can equate them in mindset and desires. They want to place a Dark Ages philosophy into the minds of school children. A big sin in my book. Maybe not yours.

If (sigh!) you are one of those many people who like I believe that the universe was intelligently created and God's hand is everywhere to be found over billions of years, but you still cling to the Discovery Institute and it's concept of ID then we are on different roads. I am a creationist in the strict abstract sense. The ID term here is being misused and propagated dishonestly by the Discovery Institute. If you are a young earther in the creationist sense. I apologize. It is just a religious difference of which I am usually very tolerant. I am not that and when i see an organized group trying to inject themselves in front of the line in the school systems to favor ID. My gut reaction is to laugh at them. I'll try and stop it. It's very poor manners.

re: #217 drmark

It seems you promote Evolution... So what title would you prefer? Rather than Evolutionist.... My apologies.

Howzabout empirical science supporter?

re: #234 Moe Katz

A small minority of about one-half?

To be honest I question that poll. I would like to see where and what demographics they polled.

re: #207 cslepage

So I'm not so much half chimpanzee as much as I am 100% ape?

I'm glad we cleared that up.

Yes, we are 5 million years removed from chimps and bonobos (pygmy chimps), but we are 10-11 million years removed from gorillas and 12-16 million years removed from orangutans. Bottom line is we are more related to chimps than chimps are related to orangutans on the DNA level. We are all apes. We are just apes that changed a lot in our eyes (especially, in terms of our brains and our mastery of the environment). But in their own ways, chimps, bonobos, gorillas and orangutans have all changed a lot from our common ancestor 16 million years ago.

re: #239 drmark Well ya know it's not a contest or anything! No prizes, not even a gold star like in 3rd grade.
I'd really not have the time to post so much, believe me.

re: #232 drmark

Your Avatar looks like my Black Lab

His name's Watson and he's my pal. Ain't Labs the best? He's a mix (supposedly an Australian Shepherd was his mom). But he's the most awesome dog, so intuitive - almost as much as my first dog, who was a Border Collie. Almost.

re: #189 Purple Prose

Clue: Anyone can start a blog. Do it! You can even promote it in the spinoff links and lure posters who want to focus on the threat of Islamism. Good luck.

re: #244 Salamantis

Howzabout empirical science supporter?

I figured that out myself that you really care about defending science...

My Scientist friend

re: #247 realwest

I'd really not have the time to post so much, believe me.

Quality beats out quantity, every time.

re: #240 Salamantis

Yes, but bad science is still science nonetheless, and it is being supplanted by better science as we speak. However, there is NO science in ID; it is, and has been from its Disco Institute inception,

Sorry, the design argument goes back at least to Aristotle, who was both a philosopher and a scientist

re: #221 hazzyday

Ahh finally you wish to write something I can reply to.

Well then, You might try actually answering the question I asked, name one public school district in the United States where ID/Creationism is currently taught as part of an approved science curriculum?

Personally, like the vast majority of LGF Christians (vast majority of Christians period), I believe in Creation and evolution. Charles himself has, on multiple occasions, stated that these beliefs aren't mutually exclusive as he sees it. And no, I and most Christians (LGFor otherwise) don't believe that the Earth is 6000 years old or that Man walked with dinosaurs.

/furthermore those LGF commenters on these threads who, directly or indirectly, smugly lump all Christians together and portray them as raving lunatics are, IMO, arrogant, ignorant assholes

re: #247 realwest

Well ya know it's not a contest or anything! No prizes, not even a gold star like in 3rd grade.
I'd really not have the time to post so much, believe me.

But at least we're proud Lizards...

re: #237 drmark

I figured.
Cliches have some truth in them.

I'm curious. Really (it's my nature). What do you mean?

Well as usual it's been grand tonight all y'all but I gotta get some sleep NOW! LOL!
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

Goodnight, all.