Honestly, if I was going to recruit an anti-christ, obama would definitely get a second interview.

Til the dude does more than cure a ham...he is still a politician. Nothing more.

re: #1 rorschach

Honestly, if I was going to recruit an anti-christ, obama would definitely get a second interview.

I don't think he's smart enough to be the anti-Christ.

Let's hope this aint the ball game...

Obama IS the Anti-thingy
- McCain is Methusela.

So the regressive Christians are just as paranoid and delusional as their aetheist brethren....

Many Christians are far too willing to throw the Anti-christ label around, and I speak as a Christian who has talked to such people.

There is a place for such a discussion, but I don't have time to do it today. In short, he isn't The AntiChrist. Period.

We humans are so silly sometimes.

I love Charlton Heston.

Gee I was just thinking that very thing yesterday - along with my medication and jello. MMMMMMM goood that Jello - there is always room for Jello.....I have to go now - my doctor tells me there are not little green men under my bed trying to take me to Obflark for experiments.

/not gonna even try

I guess the reference to the "Matrix" trilogy got lot on them.

So? What's their point?

I thought B. Hussein Obama fit the 1st Ed. AD&D definition of Nyarlathoptep:

From DEITIES & DEMIGODS

Cyclopedia of gods and heroes from myth and legend for Advanced D & D. Published by TSR in 1980.

NYARLATHOTEP (the crawling chaos, the messenger of the gods)

[Also known as Nyarly in The Unspeakable Vault (of Doom)]

Lesser god

[skip stats]

Nyarlathoptep appears as a tall dark man. His appearance in the world is said to foretell the the return of the Old Ones from their imprisonment. He charms humans, humanoids, and non-magical animals by his mere presence (good alignment, save at +4; evil alignment, save at -4). Those falling under his spell either obey him or behave in a purely chaotic manner. Thus his progress across the face of the land is followed by riot, war, mass murder, suicide, and insanity. No non-sentient creature can harm him, even if controlled.

The god is believed by some students of the occult to have various guises, including a red bat-like form with three evil eyes. He can call up an army of wild beasts or mindless humans within an hour's notice (1-100 of them). Each time Nyarlathotep hits an enemy, he drains 3-30 hit points from them, which temporarily add to his hit point total for one full turn. There is a 5% chance that a continual light spell will drive this being off into the Astral Plane.

_

And I stood on the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads the name of blasphemy.

I don't think Obama is the anti-Christ, but he definately is using a Cult of Personality to promote himself. He's every bit as much a cult leader as David Koresh or Jim Jones. He just aims to take the whole United States down. McCain is right to take Obama to task for this. I hope he keeps it up.

#7 vxbush There is a place for such a discussion, but I don't have time to do it today. In short, he isn't The AntiChrist. Period.

I ain't saying he is, or that there is or will be any such being.

But I find it somewhat arrogant for any simple human being to say that they could spot him if and when he (she, it) arrives.

Charles - "Is this an attempt by the McCain campaign to leverage far-right religious support on the sly?"
I don't even understand this criticism of that ad - I've seen it and it was - I thought - a pretty funny way of pointing out the way everything for Obama seems to be "me, me, me" - I'm sorry Charles but if this is a campaign to leverage far-right religious support, I don't see it at all.
Course, I'm not part of the far right religious thing, so maybe I'm missing something.

Impossible.

I am.

I am given the impression the Antichrist will be a formidable opponent, not some willy nilly windbag hollering "hope, change, we can doit".

Oddly enough, it is Obama who referred to himself and his cohorts as the ones they have been waiting for. McCain's ad is brilliant in that it takes this as well as how Obama's followers refer to Obama as "The One", and mocks it.

Some folks take stuff too literally and too seriously.

Aburd, absolutely absurd!

Many evangelicals, myself included, strongly believe we are living in the last days and that the antichrist will make his appearance, but it is a stretch beyond belief to jump to the wild conclusion that this politial opportunist is really the antichrist.

If I recall correctly, the antichrist does not emerge until we are in the tribulation, which we aren't.

The ad was snarky, funny, pithy, spot on in it's lampoon of the hype created by Obambi and his supporters (MSM, campaigne staff, et al), but it does not in any way shape or form make him out to be the antichrist.

Geeze. Some people need to buy new undies, cause they keep getting twisted into a wad over the silliest things.

re: #17 maddogg

I am given the impression the Antichrist will be a formidable opponent, not some willy nilly windbag hollering "hope, change, we can doit".

I hope that's how it works...if it's just "hope, change, we can do it"...then I'll feel ripped off.

re: #14 rorschach

I ain't saying he is, or that there is or will be any such being.

But I find it somewhat arrogant for any simple human being to say that they could spot him if and when he (she, it) arrives.

Except that Scripture makes the description of The Antichrist fairly clear, and Obama doesn't meet the criteria. But to even be having this discussion about his is rather silly.

It seems to me, Obama is too much of a lightweight to be the anti-Christ.

re: #13 Iron Fist Yep, you're right about that Cult of Personality.

re: #16 Ben Hur

Impossible.

I am.

Good to know you've come to the right side now.
:)

I thought the ad was playing on Obama's messiah complex (meaning his inflated ego) and poking fun at his overly emotional followers.

The anti-Christ angle never occured to me.

It's the worshipful coverage of a rookie politician by supposedly secular media that is anti-thetical to their profession.

Rookies who are charming and inexperienced don't inspire awe normally.

Oprah Winfrey is the person who dubbed Obama "the One."

Christians make fun of that, because Christians do have a sense of humor.

However, Charles is absolutely right, there are Christians who actually seem to believe it, or at least, want others to believe it.

re: #19 skippyMoment

Hey, you!

The anti-Christ will not need a Teleprompter.

I will say that both Obama and Keith Richards need some sun. They both look a bit gaunt.

Anti-Christ? no Un-Dead --maybe.

The worship of Obama is supremely disconcerting to me. It's very weird.

It does seem clear that people are actually looking for a Messianic figure at this time.

I'm in my mid-forties, and I don't recall ever seeing the general population go ga-ga over anyone the way they have about Obama.

Evangelicals are largely nutcakes. The ad was funny because it was based on truth.
Anti Christ Schmati Christ.

Looks to me as if these people who complain about the ad have heavily invested (in a spiritual way) in the BO campaign, and feel their hopes slowly being dashed byr eality.
Thus - anything will do for them to keep their 'hope' alive, even making totally preposterous accusations.
Hysteria, nothing more ...

re: #29 shibumi

The anti-Christ will not need a Teleprompter.

Ha! He wouldn't need a political office, either...

re: #27 Pastorius

Oprah Winfrey is the person who dubbed Obama "the One."

Christians make fun of that, because Christians do have a sense of humor.

However, Charles is absolutely right, there are Christians who actually seem to believe it, or at least, want others to believe it.

This 'lady' fits the bill. I guarantee she buys it.

Oh, please. That ad was hilarious! It just pokes fun at the messianic image around Obama and the weird behavior of some of his followers. Lighten up, dudes.

re: #31 Pastorius

You and are are in the same age-group. I see that "light in the eyes" when some people I know, who are a bit older, talk about Kennedy.

I am the anti-Pasta.

BO is the anti-Christ?

We should be so lucky....

I don't think the McCain ad is making the BHO, antichrist link. BHO, campaign has used "We are the Ones" as a slogan, McCain's people played on that.

As to making BHO the antichrist? Read the Bible of pete's sake, it just plain foolish to make that link.

re: #32 kansas
"Evangelicals are largely nutcakes." Nice, very broad brush you're painting with there.

re: #32 kansas

"Evangelicals are largely nutcakes."

CAREFUL! I know some Evangelicals who are definitely NOT nutcakes.

re: #42 ggt

"Evangelicals are largely nutcakes."

CAREFUL! I know some Evangelicals who are definitely NOT nutcakes.

I hope I'm one of them.

Tyson Reverses Labor Day/Muslim Holiday Decision

re: #43 vxbush

Lizards are NOT nutcakes.

re: #38 Ben Hur

I am the anti-Pasta.

All who worship the FSM will be offended.

re: #32 kansas

Evangelicals are largely nutcakes. The ad was funny because it was based on truth.
Anti Christ Schmati Christ.

I make damn fine nutcake!
;-)

How can the Messiah be the anti-Messiah?

Obviously McCain is the anti-Christ since he's running against....well....you get it.

re: #22 Pastorius

It seems to me, Obama is too much of a lightweight to be the anti-Christ.

He's only the Lightworker, not the Lightbringer (Lucifer).

This is just another symptom of the left. When faced with a valid criticism, claim to be a victim. McCain's ad rightly showed the over-the-top reactions to Obama. Not willing to admit this, they go on the offensive. Since the ad made fun of the veneration Obama received, they used religion as a counterattack.

Anyone willing to believe this latest round of victimology was an Obama supporter to begin with. I don't think the claims are going to do much harm to McCain; I believe it will make the Obama campaign look bad by association. This is going to rank up there with their failed attempt to accuse anyone of not supporting Obama as a racist.

re: #31 Pastorius

The worship of Obama is supremely disconcerting to me. It's very weird.

It does seem clear that people are actually looking for a Messianic figure at this time.

I'm in my mid-forties, and I don't recall ever seeing the general population go ga-ga over anyone the way they have about Obama.

* * *
Not ALL the people are looking for Deus Ex Machina in the White House.

Theocracy is what ails the Caliphate; most Americans don't want a theocrat.

Most of us prefer to keep separate our country's leadership from our spiritual life.

#13 Iron Fist

{IF}

#28 CtP

Hey you right back at you! How's the new poochy?

I'm home sick today, and cat #2 is trying to make this blogging thing difficult to accomplish...

Hey realwest... {realwest} mega hugs to my cyber bro

Making fun of the Cult of Obama is not nice. These adds mocking Him and His followers are hitting a nerve.

If there is one thing the left cannot stand, it's a horselaugh aimed in their direction.

Cry RACISM ! Cry "right-wing" fundamentalism!
The Dems and MSM know how to play both the race and religion card to defend their idiocy.

But I DO have one question:
What does the ad says if you play it backwards?
Bwahahahaha...................

re: #46 Honorary Yooper

All who worship the FSM will be offended.

He will be touched by a noodely appendage!

Gotta go folks,

HAVE A GREAT DAY!

Has Obama actually denied that he's the anti-christ?

Until he throw the anti-christ under the bus, I don't know what to believe.

re: #32 kansas

Evangelicals are largely nutcakes. The ad was funny because it was based on truth.
Anti Christ Schmati Christ.

* * *
Making blanket statements is largely nutcake.

The ad just shows clips of Obama, so I don't really see how the McCain campaign is responsible for how arrogant Obama comes across as.

The antichrist would eat his waffle and everyone else be damned. So to speak. ;D

re: #52 skippyMoment

{skippyMoment}

re: #52 skippyMoment

She's great, thanks. Still damp from swimming earlier...

re: #17 maddogg

I am given the impression the Antichrist will be a formidable opponent, not some willy nilly windbag hollering "hope, change, we can doit".

Tell me about it. Do real Christians think the anti-Christ would be an empty suit who got by simply on platitudes and affirmative action? That he wouldn't be intelligent and articulate in his own right?

re: #58 geata

Obama is not the Obama he knew. And it's McCainbush's fault!

There can be only one!

re: #51 alegrias

* * *
Not ALL the people are looking for Deus Ex Machina in the White House.

Theocracy is what ails the Caliphate; most Americans don't want a theocrat.

Most of us prefer to keep separate our country's leadership from our spiritual life.

Hence the First Amendment's "Establishment Clause".

I'd buy that if the ad showed Obambi's head doing a 180 and spitting green vomit while yelling the black mass (did I just write that?). As it is, the ad hits a nerve and the left is going for the religious equivalent of "racist!" or "fascist!".

re: #52 skippyMoment
Hey there {skippyMoment} I didn't see you arrive out here - too busy looking for those nutcake evangelicals, doncha know! LOL!
Hope you're doing well my cyber Sis!

#27 Pastorius

He may be the messiah of Winfry's church, but that just cements the cult thing all the more.

#32 kansas

No, just some are nutcases... sort of like the crazy aunt and uncle you try to keep in the house, up in the attic. Sadly, they do tend to get out when you aren't looking.

But in this case, I put this bunch in the Fred Phelps catagory... white-washed with the Christian paint, but nothing Christian about them.

re: #62 mossley

Tell me about it. Do real Christians think the anti-Christ would be an empty suit who got by simply on platitudes and affirmative action? That he wouldn't be intelligent and articulate in his own right?

Yes, probably, but Obama's meteoric rise to fame (he was a social worker....then senator...now president?!), cult following, and claiming to be everything but the Messiah is c=pretty creepy.

That being said, I'm dont think he's the antichrist.

re: #63 Iron Fist

Obama is not the Obama he knew. And it's McCainbushitlers's fault!

Ya missed a bit there - fixed it for you ;-)

You're Herbert if you don't follow The One.

"But even this innocuous interpretation of the ad — which includes images of Charlton Heston as Moses and culled clips that make Obama sound truly egomaniacal ... taps into a conversation that ... accuse Obama of being the Antichrist."

yeh, and your point is?

..... 5,4,3,2,1.

try these presidential ads:

grow a pair and get over it!

But here is a real classic:

These so called Christians see nothing disturbing in the blatant idolatry of their candidate? They have no qualms regarding the Obama's rejection of the Born Alive bill which allows medical care for the result of a failed abortion, a viable infant? Shame on them, not McCain!

re: #39 CIA Reject

BO is the anti-Christ?

We should be so lucky....

Very good point, CIA.

re: #53 wolfie Hi woflie, ya know it is true, the really radical far left, seems to be generally lacking in a sense of humor; they'd be better off poking fun at McCain than drawing attention to one of McCain's most effective ads!

Alexander Solzhenitsyn joked that Stalin wasn't a deity and got sent to the gulag.

Pointing out the One is NOT a deity is a service to the country's celebrity/image/idol worshippers.

We still have first amendment rights to express the obvious.

Lets be realistic here, if there was an anti-christ out there, he WOULD be the democrats candidate, in a heartbeat. So it's not like claiming Obama is the anti-christ is going to be hurting him! It'd just guarantee the nutroots base and even more MSM support and 'progressive' monetary support.

re: #69 geata

Yes, probably, but Obama's meteoric rise to fame (he was a social worker....then senator...now president?!), cult following, and claiming to be everything but the Messiah is c=pretty creepy.

That being said, I'm dont think he's the antichrist.

Obama's rise testifies to the vacuity of the average voter.

re: #69 geata

Yes, probably, but Obama's meteoric rise to fame (he was a social worker....then senator...now president?!), cult following, and claiming to be everything but the Messiah is c=pretty creepy.

That being said, I'm dont think he's the antichrist.

Tool of the antichrist maybe, although I tend to think the antichrist will be somewhat better equipped.

May be a horny little devil, but not the Antichrist.

Speaking of Willie Horton, this may be out of McCain's hands.

...Brown, 47, is known best for creating a controversial television ad that helped derail Michael Dukakis' presidential run in 1988 by linking the former Massachusetts governor to a prison-furlough program and a felon named Willie Horton.

Two decades later, he's set up a temporary office in the suburbs southwest of Tacoma, where he's running a campaign aimed at pushing Sen. Barack Obama's presidential hopes down a similar path. Brown is producing ads, heavy with innuendo, questioning the Democratic nominee's religious background and patriotism.

"I'm going to go dig up the information that the mainstream media is scared of, the McCain campaign finds difficult to deal with, and may make some people feel uncomfortable," Brown said....

Both Obama and Republican Sen. John McCain have publicly disavowed the kneecapping tactics employed by such groups in the past. But Brown says he won't be deterred.

"McCain has to do that. It doesn't discourage me," he said. "It might discourage people that are less experienced."...

I don't think this one is a ridiculous accusation; there have been people right here at LGF trying to spread the Obama Antichrist meme.

'The notion that I am the anti-christ is, on its face, a ridiculous notion. One of the most ridiculous notions that notion providers have ever notioned up."

re: #31 Pastorius

The worship of Obama is supremely disconcerting to me. It's very weird.

It does seem clear that people are actually looking for a Messianic figure at this time.

I'm in my mid-forties, and I don't recall ever seeing the general population go ga-ga over anyone the way they have about Obama.

I'm your age too, and the only parallel I can see, at least in terms of behavior, is the arrival of the Beatles in 1964. As far as that kind of hero-worship, maybe JFK, but his supporters only got extremely emotional when he died.

re: #83 Charles

I don't think this one is a ridiculous accusation; there have been people right here at LGF trying to spread the Obama Antichrist meme.

I don't think McCain personally is trying that Charles, some of his operatives might be that sly, but I see it as a stretch.

re: #83 Charles

I don't think this one is a ridiculous accusation; there have been people right here at LGF trying to spread the Obama Antichrist meme.

I can't remember one that was a serious accusation, though. I thought all the ones I had seen were made in jest.

re: #81 jorline

May be a horny little devil, but not the Antichrist.

So nice that the Clinton years are over...I hope...barring some crazy shenanigans in Denver...

Well I can finally stop bitching that the McCain campaign is Bob Dole redux. He is really getting into the Obamaites empty heads now, and exposing them for the lightworkers lightweights they are.

#37 GGT,
You and are are in the same age-group. I see that "light in the eyes" when some people I know, who are a bit older, talk about Kennedy.
Oh, that's interesting. You are probably right. I just watched a PBS special about Jackie Kennedy the other day, and it seemed really wacky to me.

Jackie Kennedy may have been beautiful and intelligent, but the "love" showered on her during her lifetime was completely inappropriate.

re: #56 DeafDog

Has Obama actually denied that he's the anti-christ?

Until he throw the anti-christ under the bus, I don't know what to believe.

"He is not the Anti-Christ I knew."

Anti-Christ? Well he doesn't have the type of face you'd see on a denarius.

re: #75 realwest

Hi woflie, ya know it is true, the really radical far left, seems to be generally lacking in a sense of humor; they'd be better off poking fun at McCain than drawing attention to one of McCain's most effective ads!

Absolutely!
(But please don't tell THEM that!)

Heh.

Obama the antichrist? Foolish.

Soros is a far better candidate.

Mew

re: #86 Thanos

I don't think McCain personally is trying that Charles, some of his operatives might be that sly, but I see it as a stretch.

But that's the point of the article, I think -- the person who created the ad is closely connected with the Christian right wing, and I don't think it's out of the question at all that they would try to slip in these kinds of messages.

re: #74 jorline

Very good point, CIA.

Thanks - it just struck me that as potential anti-Christs go BO is about as threatening as Don Knotts.

re: #87 {vxbush} Huh, I don't recall anyone calling Obama the Anti-Christ, even in jest.
Course I don't get out here as much as I'd like to lately!

re: #32 kansas

"Evangelicals are largely nutcakes."

CAREFUL! I know some Evangelicals who are definitely NOT nutcakes.
You know what I've noticed. A disproportionate amount of people who call us Evangelicals "nutcakes" and other such demeaning names, seem to come from Kansas.

I take it there must be a lot of strange Christians in Kansas.

All we are is Dust in the wind, dude.

The great mass of idiots were worshiping Al Gore just last year. Remember 'The Goracle'? And now they're worshiping Obama. It will be harder to kick him to the curb since he's got the skin tone they crave, but someone else will come along and probably within the next two years. That's if Obama doesn't get elected.

If he does get elected the MSM will attempt to cover up every bit of failure (and there will be a lot) so the worship will continue.

Nobody would ever admit the tingle in their leg might just have been a flea bite.

re: #81 jorline

May be a horny little devil, but not the Antichrist.

pimf...I thought we were talking about Bill.

re: #87 vxbush

I can't remember one that was a serious accusation, though. I thought all the ones I had seen were made in jest.

Unfortunately, there were quite a few serious accusations. I had to tell people to knock it off, and I'll repeat that statement here -- I'm not going to allow this kind of stuff at LGF.

re: #95 Charles

It was Oprah who called him 'The One'.

I think the ad references that, for the vast majority of people.

Barack Obama: My Pop-Culture Favorites

Issues.

Words have meaning. Crafting an ad that hits multiple audiences on different levels and being able to deny some interpetations is brilliant. I love the art of a well-crafted political ad! Keep it up!

re: #83 Charles

I don't think this one is a ridiculous accusation; there have been people right here at LGF trying to spread the Obama Antichrist meme.

* * *
Hi Charles,

I agree those who did were wrong to do so, and sloppy to boot, knowing anything written here can be used against you and LGF.

#66 joncelli

I'd buy that if the ad showed Obambi's head doing a 180 and spitting green vomit while yelling the black mass (did I just write that?).

Thanks for the visual... I think I'll go hurl now.

#83 Charles

I don't think this one is a ridiculous accusation; there have been people right here at LGF trying to spread the Obama Antichrist meme.

Ever patient, you put up with their silly rantings. But seriously, yes I can see how some might. Some are so caught up in escatology, that they are straining to make everything fit; hell they even see demons hiding behind the butter on their table, or Satan hiding behind a bush. Truth is, we all know Gore is the antichrist, and that Satan occassionally posts here on LGF. Maybe he'll even make an appearance here on this thread.

re: #95 Charles

But that's the point of the article, I think -- the person who created the ad is closely connected with the Christian right wing, and I don't think it's out of the question at all that they would try to slip in these kinds of messages.

Yep, the "Obama as the Anti-christ" stuff is out there, but I'd hate to see the acerbic and humorous ad pulled because of the suspicion that some nutball campaign operative might have slipped in the assertion.

It is ridiculous.

Everyone knows that the anti-Christ is either Vladimir Putin or Greta vanSusteren.

Only the true Messiah would deny his divinity.

Seriously, I always thought that "666" birthmark on his neck was kinda cool.

re: #96 CIA Reject

Thanks - it just struck me that as potential anti-Christs go BO is about as threatening as Don Knotts.

In other words, don't get pulled over in Mayberry.

re: #108 Maine's Michael

It is ridiculous.

Everyone knows that the anti-Christ is either Vladimir Putin or Greta vanSusteren.

I vote for Greta.

re: #88 Oh no...Sand People!

So nice that the Clinton years are over...I hope...barring some crazy shenanigans in Denver...

Hey...you never know, perhaps the National Enquirer has something in their back pocket...ask Breck Boy.

re: #92 xtraBilly

yeah--the ears won't fit.

re: #108 Maine's Michael

It is ridiculous.

Everyone knows that the anti-Christ is either Vladimir Putin or Greta vanSusteren.

....or Michelle Obama...Barak is just a front man.

{joke}

He can't be the anti-Christ. He can't speak without a teleprompter.

re: #111 Thanos

I always thought it was Scott Baio. Silly me.

re: #95 Charles

But that's the point of the article, I think -- the person who created the ad is closely connected with the Christian right wing, and I don't think it's out of the question at all that they would try to slip in these kinds of messages.

I think you're reading too much into it. (sorry to say, but I also see this with some of your ID threads) What I see is McCains team poking fun at how the Obama supporters are looking at Barry, much in the same way they did equating Obamas star appeal with Paris's.
Not that Mccain (or his people) saying that Obama is the Anti Christ, just that he is not THE second coming!

IMHO

re: #107 Thanos

Yep, the "Obama as the Anti-christ" stuff is out there, but I'd hate to see the acerbic and humorous ad pulled because of the suspicion that some nutball campaign operative might have slipped in the assertion.

Good point. That's the left's favorite way to put down a strong message. Find some way to muddy the water with accusations about the messenger or the editor or the guy down the road who said such a thing in a drunken near-stupor and then make the subject of Obama worship (particularly by the press) forbidden.

I hope that's not what happens here. These are good things to point out regardless of a few people taking the lesson too far.

re: #106 skippyMoment

Ever patient, you put up with their silly rantings. But seriously, yes I can see how some might. Some are so caught up in escatology, that they are straining to make everything fit; hell they even see demons hiding behind the butter on their table, or Satan hiding behind a bush. Truth is, we all know Gore is the antichrist, and that Satan occassionally posts here on LGF. Maybe he'll even make an appearance here on this thread.

skippy, this is excellent...you have a great way with words...no sarc.

re: #103 Ben Hur

Barack Obama: My Pop-Culture Favorites

Issues.

What a hoot!

re: #95 Charles

Charles, the Obama calling himself "the one" or if you like, "the ones" are also pretty edgy and could just as easily be interpreted as subliminal quasi religious references.I think its much ado about nothing as far as nefarious intention goes. The Obama simply has an overactive hypersensitive ego.

Personally, I'm convinced that Tay Zonday is the Antichrist, with his hellishly hypnotic chanting.

re: #97 realwest

Huh, I don't recall anyone calling Obama the Anti-Christ, even in jest.
Course I don't get out here as much as I'd like to lately!

I commonly joke about his status as "Messiah", but never an anti-Christ. Mocking BHO is so easy, and so much fun, it'd be a sin not to mock him. ;-)

I don't Obama is so much anti-Christ as he is Pro-Mohammad.

If I were JSM, I'd tell the BHO campaign to suck it up and grow a pair. They whine about everything. This ad was tame.

Granted, I do not know millions of people but, the few I do know believe that Bambi will help usher in the anti-christ. No one I know believes Bambi is the anti-christ.

So is Obama a Creationist or not?

I'm so confused.

re: #122 Charles

Personally, I'm convinced that Tay Zonday is the Antichrist, with his hellishly hypnotic chanting.

NOW you're onto something!

re: #125 guy_philly

If I were JSM, I'd tell the BHO campaign to suck it up and grow a pair. They whine about everything. This ad was tame.

The Obama campaign did not raise this issue.

#95 Charles,
... the point of the article, I think -- the person who created the ad is closely connected with the Christian right wing, and I don't think it's out of the question at all that they would try to slip in these kinds of messages.

Here's the problem with that from my viewpoint. It's ok for Conan O'Brien or Jon Stewart to make fun of politicians, but apparently not for anyone connected with the Christian right wing.

However, as I said earlier in this thread, I am aware there are many Christians who are sending around these emails that Obama is the antiChrist.

Many, not all.

It would be interesting, for a sense of perspective, to see what percentage of those who identify as Christians would support the idea that "Christian Law" would be implemented in the U.S.

And, by the way, there is a difference between the notion of "Christian law" and laws supported by the Christian vote.

And, that difference can be delineated by the American Constitution.

The School Voucher crowd and the "Faith-based Initiatives" crowd are trying to bring Christian law into America in the same way as the Muslims are. That is, through a kind of stealth manever.

The good thing is, Christianism at the level is not nearly as dangerous as Islamism at that level.

#77 Banner

Lets be realistic here, if there was an anti-christ out there, he WOULD be the democrats candidate, in a heartbeat. So it's not like claiming Obama is the anti-christ is going to be hurting him! It'd just guarantee the nutroots base and even more MSM support and 'progressive' monetary support.

Actually, if I remember some teaching I've received on the subject, I believe the real antichrist will come out of Spain. Then again, with all the globe-trotting, he could come from the soon-to-be re-discovered Atlantis. You never know. ;-P

re: #110 Honorary Yooper

In other words, don't get pulled over in Mayberry.

LOL!

re: #18 Honorary Yooper

Oddly enough, it is Obama who referred to himself and his cohorts as the ones they have been waiting for. McCain's ad is brilliant in that it takes this as well as how Obama's followers refer to Obama as "The One", and mocks it.

Some folks take stuff too literally and too seriously.

Yes, on both sides.

re: #105 alegrias Hello my friend - I agree completely about folks posting bullshit like that out here; I just don't see The One ad as doing that.
Let's not forget that Obama is the one who has made this campaign all about himself. And, as Iron Fist said in #13, he definitely is using a Cult of Personality to promote himself.

re: #19 skippyMoment

Aburd, absolutely absurd!

Many evangelicals, myself included, strongly believe we are living in the last days and that the antichrist will make his appearance, but it is a stretch beyond belief to jump to the wild conclusion that this politial opportunist is really the antichrist.

If I recall correctly, the antichrist does not emerge until we are in the tribulation, which we aren't.

The ad was snarky, funny, pithy, spot on in it's lampoon of the hype created by Obambi and his supporters (MSM, campaigne staff, et al), but it does not in any way shape or form make him out to be the antichrist.

Geeze. Some people need to buy new undies, cause they keep getting twisted into a wad over the silliest things.

Isnt the anti-Christ supposed to come from somewhere in the ME? Thats the impression I've always had.

re: #95 Charles

But that's the point of the article, I think -- the person who created the ad is closely connected with the Christian right wing, and I don't think it's out of the question at all that they would try to slip in these kinds of messages.

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Sorry I haven't read any of those books.

I am amused and glad someone is poking fun at the media's innappropriate fawning quasi-worship of a rookie politician on whom they've set their hearts.

I find these funny, not subversive or disrespectful.

Democrats wanted to field a candidate who could talk to the "faith" communities but this "I am the way, the truth & the light" meme is ridiculous in our political arena.

We pride ourselves on having NO religious tests for the Presidency.

[Link: gothamist.com...]

Oprah calls Obama "The One"

Oprah is part of the Right Wing Conspiracy...?

This thing could get interesting yet!

Before you know it, Oprah will replace Condi as McCain's Secretary of State.

re: #122 Charles

Don't rule out the Olsen twins. They look like Golem's bastard children. They could do one of those freaky "wonder twin powers activate" numbers and become one person; an even freakier Damien.

Religion and politics is a sucky mixture any which way.

re: #83 Charles

No, Obama is not the Messiah, nor is he the Anti-Christ. But his followers regard him with an almost religious fervor and his detractors are reasonably alarmed by it. The Messiah imagery and liturgy is coming from the Obama campaign. McCain is forcing it on Obama. I don't think they believe Obama is the Messiah per se, but they do actively promote the Cult of Personality around him. This works very well with Obama's obvious high self-regard, or what I believe is a pathological Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

This ad pushes back at the Obama adoration by mocking it. The image of Heston as Moses is perfect for that effect. The target market is the political middle because that's where this election will be won. Mr. & Mrs Middle America will get the joke.

(It's not like Christian Conservatives are going to come out & vote for Obama anyway. McCain will appeal to their votes by stressing Obama's pro-abortion record.)

#119

I are a writer... can you tell? ;-)

#109 calcajun

Seriously, I always thought that "666" birthmark on his neck was kinda cool.

With all the 666 tattoos out there, how can you tell the real from the knock-offs? [just askin']

re: #122 Charles
ROFL!

re: #73 vagabond trader

These so called Christians see nothing disturbing in the blatant idolatry of their candidate? They have no qualms regarding the Obama's rejection of the Born Alive bill which allows medical care for the result of a failed abortion, a viable infant? Shame on them, not McCain!

"So-called" is right on target. I imagine most of them are folks like the UUs (Unitarian Universalists), composed mainly of moonbatty, knee-jerk Bush haters.

re: #21 vxbush

Except that Scripture makes the description of The Antichrist fairly clear, and Obama doesn't meet the criteria. But to even be having this discussion about his is rather silly.

Obama doesn't even meet the criteria of a Senator.

re: #142 skippyMoment

It's on his ankle, right above the cloven hoof.

re: #62 mossley

Tell me about it. Do real Christians think the anti-Christ would be an empty suit who got by simply on platitudes and affirmative action? That he wouldn't be intelligent and articulate in his own right?

You're missing the point(s)

1) Its a great ad for bring out the whole "oooooo obaaaama" mentality of his following hordes.

2) Somebody, somewhere has to denounce it before it changes anyone's obama vote.

3) Not a single Christian can look at Obama or listen to Obama and think he is the 57th anti-Christ.

Every few months, we all hear stories like this one:

Image of christ in a pancake

So the USA is not immune to religious fanaticism, but it is typically benign.

I've never read the "left behind" books, but if there is language similar to that in the commercial, I believe that there are some out there who might take some hidden meaning from the commercial.

To me, however, such talk is dismissed like the talk of seeing an image of Christ in a pancake.

re: #142 skippyMoment

#119

I are a writer... can you tell? ;-)

With all the 666 tattoos out there, how can you tell the real from the knock-offs? [just askin']

When you tilt a fake 666 tattoo upside down, it's 999. Not so with the real ones

re: #31 Pastorius

The worship of Obama is supremely disconcerting to me. It's very weird.

It does seem clear that people are actually looking for a Messianic figure at this time.

I'm in my mid-forties, and I don't recall ever seeing the general population go ga-ga over anyone the way they have about Obama.

It seems like a celebrity fad.

re: #144 Ward Cleaver

Yes, those who attend liberation theology/Marxist churches which preach in the thinnest guise of Christian belief.

re: #141 Kenneth

Too much adulation for "O", stuff that belongs in religion; there is the other side of this question, some truth to it, put the adulation back in religion where it belongs and get it out of politics.

My best friend is a big lefty and huge Obama supporter. He's been saying for months that he expects the right to portray Obama as the anti-Christ. I told him he was nuts. And here we are. I suspect it's nothing but the left trying to convince us that the right is pandering to religious fundamentalists to make McCain look like an extremist to the average voter.

The real problem is that the left (and Obama himself) has portrayed Obama as a combination of Neo, Che Guevara, and Chris Angel. The Soviet-style Obama campaign art has regressed into a style reminiscent of a certain 1930's nation in Europe. Sorry lefties, but you've created this persona, and it's just getting creepier.

re: #118 kynna

Good point. That's the left's favorite way to put down a strong message. Find some way to muddy the water with accusations about the messenger or the editor or the guy down the road who said such a thing in a drunken near-stupor and then make the subject of Obama worship (particularly by the press) forbidden.

I hope that's not what happens here. These are good things to point out regardless of a few people taking the lesson too far.

Exactly. That is what the MSM does all the time.
And it works because they have prepared the ground with endless propaganda about huge, monolithic Evil forces called Racism and the Christian Right.

I can see why Charles is raising this from the article:

The ad was the creation of Fred Davis, one of McCain's top media gurus, as well as a close friend of former Christian Coalition head Ralph Reed and the nephew of conservative Oklahoma Senator James Inhofe.

Now it's a stretch the MSM is making here, playing the "six degrees" game, but with the recent contretempts over DI I suspect it is important for Charles to put the "end of times" crowd on notice. Carrying the MSM's water for them past this point would probably be counter productive though.

re: #153 mfarmer1

It creeps me out big time.

re: #136 buzzsawmonkey

Perhaps not being hooked into the whole "Antichrist" belief system makes me unaware of the nuances, but whenever I've seen such suggestions I take them as being more an indulgence in metaphor than as doctrinal utterances.

I don't have time right now to hunt down the actual comments, but I assure you that the Antichrist accusation has been thrown around at LGF, in complete seriousness. Not joking, not metaphor.

Of course some people think he is the anti-Christ, probably the same number of people who think he is the messiah.

If the anti-christ is supposed to come out of Europe, perhaps we can point the finger at Mr. Soros? Mr. Obama is puppeted by Mr. Soros (who owns the democrats, according to his own words), et al, who'd like to see the US fall to the global caliphate, for the "common good."

re: #158 AndyMacOP

For some types of folks, he's one and the same.

148 DeafDog 8/08/08 9:30:47 am reply quote 0

Every few months, we all hear stories like this one:

Image of christ in a pancake

So the USA is not immune to religious fanaticism, but it is typically benign.

I've never read the "left behind" books, but if there is language similar to that in the commercial, I believe that there are some out there who might take some hidden meaning from the commercial.

To me, however, such talk is dismissed like the talk of seeing an image of Christ in a pancake.

I saw a story about an image of Christ in a toilet bowl the other day.

PissChrist is bad, but spontaneously appearing images of Christ in a toilet is ok.

That is my interpretation of the Christian Hadith.

;-)

122 Charles

Personally, I'm convinced that Tay Zonday is the Antichrist, with his hellishly hypnotic chanting.

Is he from Spain? [sorry, couldn't resist]

Never heard of him, but I'll google him and see if there are any hits. We all know how google is...

135 Eowyn2

Nope, you've been exposed to funky teaching or information. He is a very real and specific person. He also won't be revealed until after the two true prophets of G_d are killed in plain view of the whole world.

Maybe the Time magazine article is an attempt by the secular liberal left to mock conservative Americans by painting them as snake-handling fundamentalists?

First anybody who won't vote for Obama was called a racist. Now they being called religious crack-pots too.

re: #141 Kenneth

If McCain were going to make a commerical that appealed to the Evangelical vote specifically, there are more effective ads that he could run. Specifically, attack Obama on his way out of the mainstream, Left of NARAL position on abortion/infanticide. One of the few places he has a discernable voting record is in this area. Done properly, it would appeal to middle-of-the-roaders as well, because Obama is way out there on this issue.

re: #130 Pastorius

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Perhaps you forget our founding documents DO reference a DEITY. Our founding citizens wanted no part of theocracy however.

re: #129 Charles

The Obama campaign did not raise this issue.

Charles, I thought it was a democrat group that raised the issue:

An interesting memo from Eleison Group, a Democratic campaign consultant operation about the McCain ad. They dissect the ad in an effort to prove that McCain camp is intentionally trying to cast Obama as the anti-christ or at a minimum, someone with a sacriligeous Messianic complex.

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

I figure that since Jesus of Nazereth was some kind of a cousin he isn't likely to be a divinity. Think of your relatives. Any god like qualities there? Now as far as demonology goes well we all have our moments but I'll respect our host and not give the really tongue in cheek reply I'm itching for.

Not entirely OT....New Weekly Standard article by Kurtz is up.....

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

Barack Obama's Lost Years
The senator's tenure as a state legislator reveals him to be an old-fashioned, big government, race-conscious liberal.
by Stanley Kurtz
08/11/2008, Volume 013, Issue 45

Obama moved to Chicago in order to place himself in what he understood to be the de facto "capital" of black America. For well over 100 years, the Chicago Defender has been the voice of that capital, and therefore a paper of national significance for African Americans. Early on in his political career, Obama complained of being slighted by major media, like the Chicago Tribune and the Chicago Sun-Times. Yet extensive and continuous coverage in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald presents a remarkable resource for understanding who Obama is. Reportage in these two papers is particularly significant because Obama's early political career-the time between his first campaign for the Illinois State Senate in 1995 and his race for U.S. Senate in 2004-can fairly be called the "lost years," the period Obama seems least eager to talk about, in contrast to his formative years in Hawaii, California, and New York or his days as a community organizer, both of which are recounted in his memoir, Dreams from My Father. The pages of the Hyde Park Herald and the Chicago Defender thus offer entrée into Obama's heretofore hidden world.

The most intriguing thread linking Obama, Ayers, and crime, however, runs through Ayers's wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Dohrn founded the Children and Family Justice Center at Northwestern University, and along with her associates there, she regularly and energetically opposes "get tough" crime laws. Ayers draws on his wife's wisdom in A Kind and Just Parent, and Dohrn, like her husband, publicly presents her work on juvenile justice not as a repudiation of her youthful radicalism, but as a continuation of it.

well lets look at this under the scientific microscope...obama...6 letters!, barack..6 letters!, ohh this is getting spooky...hussein..7 letters...667! ah well same zip code different city.

I thought Prince William was the Antichrist.

#146 calcajun

It's on his ankle, right above the cloven hoof.

You referring to the one growing out of his forehead? I hope the nail is painted Kiss-Me Pink... it would be so now from a fashion perspective.

re: #157 Charles

I don't have time right now to hunt down the actual comments, but I assure you that the Antichrist accusation has been thrown around at LGF, in complete seriousness. Not joking, not metaphor.

I've seen a couple, and took them to task for it. Simple put, there is ZERO support in the Bible for concluding BHO is the Anti-Christ.

re: #163 Kenneth

Maybe the Time magazine article is an attempt by the secular liberal left to mock conservative Americans by painting them as snake-handling fundamentalists?

First anybody who won't vote for Obama was called a racist. Now they being called religious crack-pots too.

I think that's what is going on here...

re: #170 Spider Mensch

well lets look at this under the scientific microscope...obama...6 letters!, barack..6 letters!, ohh this is getting spooky...hussein..7 letters...667! ah well same zip code different city.

oops..same city different zip code.

Obama is the Anti-Reagan.

The Dems have gotten quite snippy of late. With the over the top Berlin speech still fresh in many people's head, I don't think The Anti-Christ is what comes to mind. Der Fuhrer, yes; The Anti-Christ, no. I always thought Berlin was absolutely the worst choice the Obama handlers made for a mass rally. That sappy photo of him standing in front of the Victory Column gazing into the sunset was way overboard. Did any of his handlers realize that the Victory Column is an eternal symbol of Prussian Aggression? You mix such symbolism with the neo-fascist rhetoric coming out of his camp and it is no wonder a few people are on edge.

re: #170 Spider Mensch

LOL! If you use German letters, it becomes six for Huβein. :-D

re: #90 Pastorius I think, indeed I'm quite sure, that all the "love" showered on Jackie was because JFK was murdered.
I also think there has been some historical revisionism about his tenure as president for the same reason.
I don't really think it's much more than that and I think it's sorta understandable.

Obama is a politician who thinks of himself as some sort of proggie savior.

That's pretty much it.

Obama was the fifth Beatle!

If this is all the Obamatons have, it doesn't look so good for their er, uh, umm, one....candidate.

I'll back what Charles has said about the "end of times" crowd, I've seen things like that in the dim past, and I don't have time to hunt 'em down right now either.

I did a quick search to see if I could link Fred Davis to DI, and struck out on that. Ocean State Republican is also running this, but atm I can't get their page to load.

This is ridiculous. The "Christians" tossing around the anti-christ accusation are just as nuts as the libs saying that's what the ad is about.

The ad is about a delusional moron with an over-inflated ego, and thousands of mindless drone followers. It was a brilliant skewering of a complete ass who takes himself far too seriously.

re: #141 Kenneth

This ad pushes back at the Obama adoration by mocking it. The image of Heston as Moses is perfect for that effect. The target market is the political middle because that's where this election will be won. Mr. & Mrs Middle America will get the joke.

BINGO!
The whole notion that ads of this kind are directed at the Christian Right™ is absurd. The left KNOWS the target audience is the Center, which is exactly why they are trying to discredit the ad by claiming it is the product of the evil "Christianists."

re: #176 Ringo the Gringo

Obama is the Anti-Reagan.

Hell, yes. And he's the second coming....of Carter

re: #167 seekeroftruth

at a minimum, someone with a sacriligeous Messianic complex.

Damn, but the truth hurts! Obama does have a sacreligious Messianic complex. He really does believe that He is the one we've been waiting for. It's not out of bounds for the McCain campaign to call him on it.

re: #167 seekeroftruth

I think what Charles is getting at here is that the the charge has been given legitimacy by the loons proclaiming Obama is the anti-Christ. If these loons weren't really running around claiming Obama is the anti-Christ the charge would be ridiculous.

re: #181 DeafDog

Obama was the fifth Beatle!

Yeah, what did he play, the baby rattle?

Wait a second here...Isn't what started all of this off (in the first place) was Obama himself. It's Obama's claims to being "the one we've all been waiting for." To me it's a response to what Obama himself has been presenting -- as if he's the g-dling. Then, of course, when critics point out that "Hey, maybe he ain't so hot after all" -- then, of course, that's Verboten! Again, I think that the critics are responding to what Obama himself has implied/suggested -- and how the press itself has been presenting Obama (with all those halo pics) -- really. (I find it all disgusting, myself.)

re: #177 jpkoch

The Dems have gotten quite snippy of late

of LATE !?!?!? They've been snippy since the late 60's !

re: #188 Iron Fist

Damn, but the truth hurts! Obama does have a sacreligious Messianic complex. He really does believe that He is the one we've been waiting for. It's not out of bounds for the McCain campaign to call him on it.

Agreed.

Once again, folks -- this is not completely without a basis in fact. Several politically active far-right Christian groups HAVE been sending out numerous emails explicitly accusing Obama of being the Antichrist. I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

I guess it's time for the Jesus of the Week post.

re: #165 Iron Fist

Exactly. McCain doesn't have to convince the Christian right not to vote for Obama. He has to convince them to get out and vote for him. This ad was not aimed at them.

The ad is mocking Obama's enormous self-regard...

"This is the moment the earth began to heal & the oceans began to recede"

What kind of man says crap like that?

re: #157 Charles
Geez, that's really terrible! When you first said it I responded that I hadn't seen any of them, but need to retract that cause I now do remember a few.
Too weird and too - well, mentally unstable, frankly, for you to let stand.
I'm glad you're deleting 'em and wish folks would stop saying them.
Saying he's the AntiChrist is just, creepy.

re: #183 Thanos

I'll back what Charles has said about the "end of times" crowd, I've seen things like that in the dim past, and I don't have time to hunt 'em down right now either.

There were a number of comments made along those lines. IIRC, not only did Charles tell people to stop it, he deleted some of those comments as well.

The proggies are desperate to twist things into unnecessarily complicated knots.

First the ad was phallic - now it's Antichrist?
What's next?

Obama says stupid shit that's easy to exploit. deal with it.
Besides, I thought we were all supposed to be debating the issues?

The problem here is that Obama sets himself up with that goofy "a beam of light" bit. That stupid "Worker in the LIght" meme that's growing. "The One" stuff. Jeez supporters of Obama have even come out with a clasped hand salute! It's a fine line to attack that sort of sophistry as being messianic without going into calling Obama the anti-Christ. Even if you're trying not to the claims can be made that you are.

So how _do_ you attack this prominent portion of the Obama ego-myth?

re: #157 Charles

I don't have time right now to hunt down the actual comments, but I assure you that the Antichrist accusation has been thrown around at LGF, in complete seriousness. Not joking, not metaphor.

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Dear Charles, Agreed--And those persons were WRONG to do so!

Words have meaning and if they can't keep their secular and faith words straight, they shouldn't use such words.

PS, McCain has spoofed himself by showing up at Washington Correspondencts Dinners in fake military uniforms full of fake medals for heroism.

McCain SPOOFS those who call him "hero", and says McCain had the honor of serving with heroes, not the other way around.

re: #83 Charles

If you're going to bill yourself as the messiah, then others will bill you as the anti-messiah. This is just a typical reaction to the campaign that Obama has decided to wage. He's the one running the religious revival theme after all.

re: #179 realwest

I think, indeed I'm quite sure, that all the "love" showered on Jackie was because JFK was murdered.
I also think there has been some historical revisionism about his tenure as president for the same reason.
I don't really think it's much more than that and I think it's sorta understandable.

Everything I've read says that there has been a large degree of revisionism. Even with his military experience and other areas of experience he made several amateurish mistakes that lead this country into extreme danger. Now imagine what someone with NO experience, like Obama, can do.

re: #191 J.S.

correct ,, see my 117

re: #194 Charles

Once again, folks -- this is not completely without a basis in fact. Several politically active far-right Christian groups HAVE been sending out numerous emails explicitly accusing Obama of being the Antichrist. I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

Are you willing to name the groups sending you such information? It would be interesting to see if they are groups that those Lizards that are Christian would recognize.

re: #198 Sharmuta

There were a number of comments made along those lines. IIRC, not only did Charles tell people to stop it, he deleted some of those comments as well.

And those comments weren't all so long ago either. Some of them popped up as recently as a month ago in an open thread.

re: #206 vxbush

Are you willing to name the groups sending you such information? It would be interesting to see if they are groups that those Lizards that are Christian would recognize.

I delete all such emails immediately, so I can't check that right now; I'll let you know where it came from the next time I receive one.

re: #189 Killgore Trout

I think what Charles is getting at here is that the the charge has been given legitimacy by the loons proclaiming Obama is the anti-Christ. If these loons weren't really running around claiming Obama is the anti-Christ the charge would be ridiculous.

I agree with that. I think the constant media photos of Obama with halos, etc are stirring up some on the right. And over the top statements, which I have seen, just helps the loons. But the anti-christ charge about "The One" ad is coming from the Democrats because it hit a nerve. It's just another way of trying to cut the legs out of the damage that this ad and the celebrity as are having on Obama's poll numbers.

re: #194 Charles

I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

Definitely need to adjust the junk mail filters.

When I said that Prince William is the Antichrist, I was joking...but in actuality, many people do in fact believe that Prince William is the Antichrist.

Google it.

If I remember my Christian Theology, the Ant-Christ would come and seduce everyone with gifts in order to get them to worship him. For instance, he might offer Charles an OC-192 10G Sonet (Imagine LGF with that kind of bandwidth); or, he might offer Hillary the Throne; or Baptists an endless supply of Potluck dinners (sorry,had to throw that one in). I don't think Obama is that generous. For him it all about US getting of our butts and exercising more and giving back what we've taken...I just can't picture Obama as the seducing type.

re: #190 Honorary Yooper

Yeah, what did he play, the baby rattle?

Barack the Jam Master

{courtesy of the link from Ben Hur}

re: #186 Mars Needs Neocons

Hell, yes. And he's the second coming....of Carter

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Carter Incarnate!

re: #203 Banner

It's important to be less crazy than your opponents. You're in trouble if the best you can muster is equal insanity.

re: #195 Ben Hur

I guess it's time for the Jesus of the Week post.

Classic!

re: #142 skippyMoment

#119

I are a writer... can you tell? ;-)

With all the 666 tattoos out there, how can you tell the real from the knock-offs? [just askin']

Laser surgery won't get rid of that tattoo...

194 Charles

Once again, folks -- this is not completely without a basis in fact. Several politically active far-right Christian groups HAVE been sending out numerous emails explicitly accusing Obama of being the Antichrist. I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

Charles, I don't doubt you on this point, but I'd like to know which groups are associated with this? Are we talking about Franklin Graham? Pat Robertson? James Dobson? who?

In general, as ridiculous as these e-mails and the e-mail campaign is, it could keep evangelicals from voting for Obama. But as it was said above, the real issue is to ge the evangelicals to vote for McCain. They didn't show up for Bush in 2000 and look what a mess that was.

he is too weak and silly to be a real anti-christ.
he looks more inept everyday.

Well being a conservative Christian (and creationist :-P), I have to admit that the idea that Obama could be the anti-Christ came across my mind, half jokingly half not...he has a creepy quality about him that could easily fit the anti-Christ.

re: #194 Charles

Once again, folks -- this is not completely without a basis in fact. Several politically active far-right Christian groups HAVE been sending out numerous emails explicitly accusing Obama of being the Antichrist. I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

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They are WRONG to do so. They should stick to his record.

re: #194 Charles

Once again, folks -- this is not completely without a basis in fact. Several politically active far-right Christian groups HAVE been sending out numerous emails explicitly accusing Obama of being the Antichrist. I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

I thought the ad implied to this Christian that Obama thought he was the Second Coming, not the anti-Christ.

I'm sure that some zealots are saying that sort of nonsense. I'm sure more will use the current Russian conflict as a biblical sign. But that doesn't take away the honest skewering that Obama has brought on himself by his own embrace of the whole "The One" meme.

re: #200 Quilly Mammoth

The problem here is that Obama sets himself up with that goofy "a beam of light" bit. That stupid "Worker in the LIght" meme that's growing. "The One" stuff. Jeez supporters of Obama have even come out with a clasped hand salute! It's a fine line to attack that sort of sophistry as being messianic without going into calling Obama the anti-Christ. Even if you're trying not to the claims can be made that you are.

So how _do_ you attack this prominent portion of the Obama ego-myth?

I have a clear memory of HRC mocking Barack for his rhetoric, too. Why did none of this - she's clling him the anti-christ - stuff come up in the primaries?

re: #181 DeafDog

I thought that was Peter James Bond, who spontaneously combusted? Or was that Spinal Tap?

re: #191 J.S.

Wait a second here...Isn't what started all of this off (in the first place) was Obama himself. It's Obama's claims to being "the one we've all been waiting for." To me it's a response to what Obama himself has been presenting -- as if he's the g-dling. Then, of course, when critics point out that "Hey, maybe he ain't so hot after all" -- then, of course, that's Verboten! Again, I think that the critics are responding to what Obama himself has implied/suggested -- and how the press itself has been presenting Obama (with all those halo pics) -- really. (I find it all disgusting, myself.)

Actually wasn't the quote "We are the ones we have been waiting for" That's just ....worse. Totally pointless, circular, and asinine.

re: #208 Charles

I delete all such emails immediately, so I can't check that right now; I'll let you know where it came from the next time I receive one.

I get some of that spam as well, I'll see if I have any still on file when I get back from the store.

re: #207 Honorary Yooper

I think it's ridiculous, and I'm glad it's not being tolerated here at LGF.

There is enough in the man's positions and lack of experience, we don't need to raise an absurd notion like "anti-Christ" to criticize or defeat him.

re: #194 Charles

I've seen that stuff too, Charles. But it is a leap to then say that this ad is a coded message aimed at the Christian right to get their vote by implying in a round about way that Obama is the Antichrist. (Moses was not the Messiah, just a Prophet, btw).

If McCain wants the Christian right to vote for him, there are several more direct issues he can make an ad about: Obama's abortion record for example.

The ad mocks Obama & his supporters and is aimed at average Americans.

The Time magazine article is attempting to paint Obama's critics as Christian fanatics.

Speaking of the anti-Christ and 666 tattoos, well, this guy goes all out. When the Obama freaks start getting themselves tattooed, then I'll really start to worry!

Anti-Christs come and go all the time. Stalin, Hitler etc...
The worst of the worst.

Obama is not the anti-Christ.

re: #212 jpkoch

If I remember my Christian Theology, the Ant-Christ would come and seduce everyone with gifts in order to get them to worship him. For instance, he might offer Charles an OC-192 10G Sonet (Imagine LGF with that kind of bandwidth); or, he might offer Hillary the Throne; or Baptists an endless supply of Potluck dinners (sorry,had to throw that one in). I don't think Obama is that generous. For him it all about US getting of our butts and exercising more and giving back what we've taken...I just can't picture Obama as the seducing type.

well there was that little offer to windfall tax the oil companies and give every tax filer a $1000 from the tax collected...lol.

re: #198 Sharmuta Hi Sharm! Did you get my e-mail?

re: #208 Charles

I delete all such emails immediately, so I can't check that right now; I'll let you know where it came from the next time I receive one.

I get a lot of this kind of stuff, plus the discredited Obama myths email, from a Republican Huckster fan I know.

220 jimc

Well being a conservative Christian (and creationist :-P), I have to admit that the idea that Obama could be the anti-Christ came across my mind, half jokingly half not...he has a creepy quality about him that could easily fit the anti-Christ.

Maybe he's just the second coming of Mohammed. [Oh, oh, I've gone and done it this time... bad Skippy! Bad! Bad! Skippy!]

re: #220 jimc

Well being a conservative Christian (and creationist :-P), I have to admit that the idea that Obama could be the anti-Christ came across my mind,

That makes you a political liability.

re: #194 Charles

Once again, folks -- this is not completely without a basis in fact. Several politically active far-right Christian groups HAVE been sending out numerous emails explicitly accusing Obama of being the Antichrist. I know this for a fact, because I've received a lot of these emails myself.

What fact do we have that anyone related to McCain had any thought remotely related to the Anti-Christ?

I view this accusation as an attempt to smear the campaign with an unfounded allegation..........radical Christian email notwithstanding.

re: #196 Kenneth

Exactly. McCain doesn't have to convince the Christian right not to vote for Obama. He has to convince them to get out and vote for him. This ad was not aimed at them.

The ad is mocking Obama's enormous self-regard...

What kind of man says crap like that?

* * *

A man who ignore China's POLLUTION of the Earth and the Russians bombing Ossetians!

There's no peace on Earth or clean environments under totalitarians he willingly ignores.

the anti-christ does eat arugula.

re: #43 vxbush

I hope I'm one of them.

Me too. Though I have known one or two nutcakes in my time.

the anti-christ does not need a teleprompter.

re: #212 jpkoch

If I remember my Christian Theology, the Ant-Christ would come and seduce everyone with gifts in order to get them to worship him. For instance, he might offer Charles an OC-192 10G Sonet (Imagine LGF with that kind of bandwidth); or, he might offer Hillary the Throne; or Baptists an endless supply of Potluck dinners (sorry,had to throw that one in). I don't think Obama is that generous. For him it all about US getting of our butts and exercising more and giving back what we've taken...I just can't picture Obama as the seducing type.

Actually, Obama is offering gifts, he promises to take the money from the producers and give it to the non-producers.

re: #184 Mars Needs Neocons

As well as those who blindly follow him. Personally, I think that is what this is all about. Those crying about this ad aren't bitching because it make Obama look like and idiot, but because it makes THEM look like idiots for following such an empty and self absorbed candidate.

BBL

re: #156 Ojoe

It creeps me out big time.

I may have to re-think this a bit. Given that even here at LGF, we've seen ongoing battles between sane people and people who appear to be sane except that they believe the Earth is 6000 years old, and given Charles' comments in this thread, maybe there is something to this Obama anti-Christ stuff.

I've never heard anyone I know espouse this crap directly or even insinuate such nonsense, but I don't hang out with religious nutburgers.

re: #205 sattv4u2

It's like being placed in a double bind here (something skillful politicians are always able to put people into, btw)...In other words -- if you object to the Media's and the Obama's campaign to glorify Obama as "a saint" sent to us underlings (the Great Unwashed), then you're a "racist", a "nay-sayer", a "heretic", or an "unbeliever" (etc.); the Barry camp is relying on religious metaphors -- then, when they're called on it, they protest vociferously...As in -- "How dare you suggest The One is an anti-christ!" (when, after all, hey, he's The Messiah incarnate!)

re: #241 nyc redneck

the anti-christ does not need a teleprompter.

Or a starship.

/damn sorry.

re: #232 realwest

No- I just got in- haven't even looked yet. I will now.

This ad touched a nerve, eh?

More, please.

he's the anti-christ impostor.
the worst one yet.

Oh for crying out loud, remember when some wingnuts were trying to pin the antichrist tag on Reagan? No one with a shred of common sense bought into that twaddle.

Just a thought. I have a weird feeling about this thread. Be on the lookout for people that haven't posted more that a dozen times in two or three years to start popping up and saying very unusual things.

I think this thread is perfectly designed for a moby/troll/sleeper thread.

Charles

Tay what's-his-face, the one who did Chocolate Rain? Or is it someone else of whom you speak?

NPR had a segment on how Obama is reaching out to Evangelicals. They played Obama commercials being aired in the South, in which he was quoting Bible verses. They also interviewed an "Evangelical leader" who claimed that Obama had more support from Evangelicals than expected, and that Evangelicals would have a hard time voting for McCain.

re: #218 skippyMoment

Obamaites are idle worshippers. I say to them: Get A Job!

re: #235 Killgore Trout

That makes you a political liability.

Political liability? How so? I'm not advertising that he is the anti-Christ nor do I believe that he is, but if it turned out to be true, it wouldn't surprise me. Just don't let him visit the 3rd Temple when it is rebuilt...and Israel has everything in place for the 3rd Temple, just that pesky Mosque in the way....

"...Anti Christ - SUPERSTAR...?

In any case, Rush just said it regarding the Senate Energy Proposal -
Follow The Money - Quote/Unquote!

-S-

re: #259 Pyrocles

NPR had a segment on how Obama is reaching out to Evangelicals. They played Obama commercials being aired in the South, in which he was quoting Bible verses. They also interviewed an "Evangelical leader" who claimed that Obama had more support from Evangelicals than expected, and that Evangelicals would have a hard time voting for McCain.

Apparently NPR has decided that evangelicals are mind-boggingly stupid.

The WILL stay home, but they WON'T vote for someone completely opposed to their beliefs.

There is a chance that the Black Southern Baptist turnout will be considerably higher though.

Googling "Obama antichrist" gets thousands of resaults, most of them quite serious.

Of course, googling "Bush antichrist" does as well.

"Anti-Christ" is a reference to the Book of Revelation in the Christian Bible. It's a prophecy about the Final Days.

Fundamentalist Christians are very concerned about these metaphysical issues. It's as silly to suggest that Obama is the anti-Christ as to say that he's the Messiah.

re: #153 mfarmer1

My best friend is a big lefty and huge Obama supporter. He's been saying for months that he expects the right to portray Obama as the anti-Christ. I told him he was nuts. And here we are. I suspect it's nothing but the left trying to convince us that the right is pandering to religious fundamentalists to make McCain look like an extremist to the average voter.

Exactly. Obama's supporters are reading things into the ad that just aren't there, then accusing the McCain campaign of pandering to the Christian right. It's very much the same as Obama going around claiming "They're going to say I've got a funny name, oh, and by the way, did you know he's black?" Just as Obama and his supporters are the only ones who mention race and racism, they're also the ones who claim this is some kind of dog whistle to the fundies.

re: #236 eschew_obfuscation

What fact do we have that anyone related to McCain had any thought remotely related to the Anti-Christ?

I view this accusation as an attempt to smear the campaign with an unfounded allegation..........radical Christian email notwithstanding.

Well, there are no facts showing that the ad is a deliberate Antichrist riff. That's why I phrased my post as a question.

It would be easy to dismiss this charge as the usual empty progressive hyperbole, but it is a fact that some right-wing Christian groups are calling Obama the Antichrist. This article struck a chord with me, because I've seen this stuff going on right here.

re: #228 Kenneth

You've hit the nail on the head, my friend.

And we must remember the MSM rule:

The Left is defined by its small sane minority.
The Right is defined by its small insane minority.

This is a nation of over 300 million people with two political parties.
Lot of room for variety and quirkishness, not to mention the obviously weirod.