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Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:43:51 pm PDT

Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.

Mark Twain

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1 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:44:09pm

In Chinese, please.

2 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:45:40pm

re: #1 Cognito

Good evening, Cognito.

3 Buster Bunny  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:47:12pm

Another Twain moment. That guy is such a legend

4 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:47:23pm

re: #2 hermeneutics

Actually it's just after noon, in China.

All of China.

(I'm preparing for imminent takeover, by waves of impeccably choreographed footsoldiers/dancers.)

5 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:48:29pm

re: #4 Cognito

Actually it's just after noon, in China.

All of China.

(I'm preparing for imminent takeover, by waves of impeccably choreographed footsoldiers/dancers.)

Are you covering the olympics or just enjoying them?

6 faraway  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:48:44pm

Faults are thick where love is thin.

7 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:48:47pm

hi, y'all. i'm on cellphone.

8 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:13pm

re: #5 hermeneutics

Are you covering the olympics or just enjoying them?

I'm just enjoying them. Equal parts amazed and alarmed by tonight's display.

9 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:19pm

Tis easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Once

10 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:20pm

re: #6 faraway

Faults are thick where love is thin.

Conversely, love is thick when faults are thin.

11 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:50pm

re: #8 Cognito

I'm just enjoying them. Equal parts amazed and alarmed by tonight's display.

Is this your first time in China?

12 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:50:28pm

re: #11 hermeneutics

Is this your first time in China?

No, no, I was just kidding. I'm far from China.

13 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:50:29pm

re: #7 LeePro

Doing it through a blackberry or iPhone?

/gonna have to get me one of dem der gadgets.

//Morning {LeePro}

14 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:05pm

re: #12 Cognito

No, no, I was just kidding. I'm far from China.

Gosh, I'm so gullible! Meany!

15 Buster Bunny  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:08pm

Its so typical the Olympic Opening ceremony .. i mean its lost all its panache. Sure you cant wheel out 18 grand pianos .. (its been done) but its so .. blase ... and repetitive.

My guess is at the closing ceremony this will have been the best Olympics EVER (again)

Rinse once .. then repeat ....

16 pat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:15pm

Well, the Olympics have bored me already. Back to work.

17 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:23pm

(The joke being that the Chinese are pretty clearly poised to take over the world. With synchronized drumming, if nothing else.)

18 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:32pm

I wish I understood the Russia-Georgia conflict better.

I wish there was an objective source that would explain both sides and show what's going on now.

That would normally be considered the MSM's job, but they've shown they cannot be trusted.

19 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:34pm

re: #7 LeePro

hi, y'all. i'm on cellphone.

You mean, you're just "phoning it in?"

20 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:53:48pm

re: #18 Palandine

I wish I understood the Russia-Georgia conflict better.

I wish there was an objective source that would explain both sides and show what's going on now.

That would normally be considered the MSM's job, but they've shown they cannot be trusted.


With all due respect, you don't have to accept every reported fact, but if you want to understand the world you'd better start reading.

The gist: Georgia broke away from Russia. Georgia has, at vast expense, been a good friend to America in a few critical ways. They've also got key natural resources. Now Russia wants Georgia back.

The gist, anyway.

21 DeathtotheSwiss  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:54:47pm

I dressed up as Mr. Twain once for a project in middle-school. Ahhh...what a dork I was.

22 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:55:28pm

re: #20 Cognito

That and if they become a full member of Nato, They will be a BIG thorn in Russia's side/ass.

23 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:22pm

re: #20 Cognito You're right, but the part of Georgia that they started fighting over is a major conduit for oil and gas to Europe.
And right now, Russia is the Number 1. exporter of Oil in the World.
And they intend to stay that way for a long time to come.

24 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:31pm

re: #13 BlueCanuck

Doing it through a blackberry or iPhone?

/gonna have to get me one of dem der gadgets.

//Morning {LeePro}

{Blue}!

Palm Centro.
Here on computer now. Phone way too slow. Won't finish loading multi-comment threads.

Fun anyway!
;D

25 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:51pm

Watching the Olympics - just amazing!

Say what you will about the Chinese - but so far they are putting on a great show.

26 pat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:52pm

The Ostessians are ethnic Russians. But I think they will prove to be about as much fun as Chechnya in the long run.

27 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:24pm

re: #23 realwest

You're right, but the part of Georgia that they started fighting over is a major conduit for oil and gas to Europe.
And right now, Russia is the Number 1. exporter of Oil in the World.
And they intend to stay that way for a long time to come.

So it's all about Big Oil? And Bushcheneyhalliburton is not involved? Something is not right with the universe!

/s....

28 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:31pm

re: #23 realwest

You're right, but the part of Georgia that they started fighting over is a major conduit for oil and gas to Europe.
And right now, Russia is the Number 1. exporter of Oil in the World.
And they intend to stay that way for a long time to come.

I don't believe Russia is the number one exporter of oil, actually. Natural gas, but not oil.

29 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:43pm

re: #21 DeathtotheSwiss
Mark Twain was as far from a "dork" as is imaginable. So I don't know why you felt dressing up as him made you a dork. Even in Middle School.

30 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:49pm

re: #19 RedPepper

You mean, you're just "phoning it in?"

Please!
Texting, if you will!

31 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:04pm

re: #24 LeePro

{Blue}!

Palm Centro.
Here on computer now. Phone way too slow. Won't finish loading multi-comment threads.

Fun anyway!
;D

I have the same problem with my Treo.

One solution is to add LGF to a google/ig homepage and load it through there. Google breaks it up into easy to read pages.

Still hoping someone other than google comes up with this kind of thing on mobile.

32 ggt  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:30pm

Weet dreams all!

33 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:41pm

re: #24 LeePro

Ah good old Palm OS. Do you know the Graffitti? :)

/not too shabby at it myself.

34 Jim C.  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:54pm

Also Twain: "Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest."

* To the Young People's Society, Greenpoint Presbyterian Church, Brooklyn (February 16, 1901)

35 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:55pm

Speaking of Mark Twain ...

“If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.”

~ Mark Twain

36 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:55pm

Being a not so old cold warrior, if the Russians are for something I'm agin' it.

37 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:59:07pm

re: #28 Cognito Well I be waay to tired to go grab the link Cog, but feel free to - I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago, if that helps give you a starting point.

38 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:59:22pm

Anyone know the ethnic/religious make of Ossetia? Outside of any ethnic slavic Russians who may live there? Just wondering who (and in who's name) is this latest spat.

39 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:00:12pm

re: #20 Cognito

Why, thank you, Cognito. I understand "the gist" just fine, and without the tender mercies of the MSM. Perhaps you could suggest an MSM source that is there (Georgia is not that far away from any of the centers of media, and documentig wars is how Pulitzers are won) and reporting heavily and objectively on what's going on.

40 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:00:15pm

re: #37 realwest

Well I be waay to tired to go grab the link Cog, but feel free to - I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago, if that helps give you a starting point.

Actually I've got a source a bit more familiar than the WSJ, realwest.

They're number two in oil, number one in natural gas.

41 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:00:19pm

re: #33 BlueCanuck

Ah good old Palm OS. Do you know the Graffitti? :)

/not too shabby at it myself.

Mines a Palm but they now use WM on it. Centro still PalmOS?

42 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:01:02pm

re: #34 Jim C.

GMTA ...

43 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:01:05pm

re: #35 RedPepper
And speaking further of Mark Twain, "It can probably be shown with facts and figures that there is no such thing as a native American criminal class; excluding Congress, of course."

44 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #40 Cognito Well I have to assume you don't want to name your source, but do, pray tell, who is number 1 ?

45 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:02:00pm

re: #39 Palandine

Perhaps you could suggest an MSM source... reporting heavily and objectively on what's going on.

I suggest many. Read widely, and you'll develop your own sense of authority, so that when someone veers off the mark, you'll sense it.

That's just my opinion, only given since you asked.

46 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #44 realwest

Our friends in the House of Saud.

47 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:03:54pm

re: #45 Cognito

Very helpful, Cognito. That's the sort of insight I've come to expect.

48 slokat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:03:57pm

re: #26 pat

The Ostessians are ethnic Russians. But I think they will prove to be about as much fun as Chechnya in the long run.

Actually they are ethnic Iranians? South Ossetia

Been converted to Christian, back to Moslem - now mixed almost even.

More current South Ossetia

49 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:04:35pm

re: #47 Palandine

Maybe I'm LGF punch-drunk, but I honestly can't tell if you're kidding...

50 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:04:58pm

re: #46 Cognito Well I know you don't mean the "our friends" part, but I sure would like to know your source.
Cause, iirc, the House of Saud was #2 on the WSJ list - I remember because a) I was surprised and b) I detest the House of Saud.

51 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:05:52pm

re: #33 BlueCanuck

Ah good old Palm OS. Do you know the Graffitti? :)

/not too shabby at it myself.

"the Graffitti?"
hunh?

52 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:26pm
53 Zimriel  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:38pm

No, the Ossetians are ethnic western-Iranians. They're the last surviving remnant of the Avars, iirc. They have Russian citizenship partly because even Iranian is closer to Russian than either is to Georgian, partly because they're stuck in the middle of Georgia and don't want to be wiped out. A bit like how the Armenians are originally from what's now Macedonia (with a Greekish language) but are now stuck in the Caucasus with nowhere else to go.

Georgian is one of those insane Caucasian languages no-one else on Earth speaks. Abkhazian and Chechen would be two more of those wacky Caucasian languages. I don't think any of them are related to each other.

Abkhazia is at least at Georgia's extremity and can secede without damage to Georgia's defensibility. But, since the Georgians are apparently idiots, they didn't let Abkhazia go at the same time they seceded. Now Georgia is saddled with both of 'em.

That said, it's pretty clear the Russians(!) are not interested in keeping peace and celebrating diversity in the Caucasus. This is a cynical land grab; it's obvious the Russians will next claim that Tblisi is, I don't know, the third holiest site in Ossetianism and that the Georgians are secretly Jewish sorcerors.

54 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:41pm

re: #51 LeePro

"the Graffitti?"
hunh?

Is the Centro running PalmOS or WM?

55 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:52pm

re: #45 Cognito

There isn't one msm outlet I trust to tell the unvarnished truth anymore. It always has an agenda now, usually slanted left. I guess it has always been that way but with the advent of the computer and the web it is possible to see the obfuscating and outright lies. Just the facts ain't good enough anymore I guess.

56 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:07:15pm

re: #50 realwest

Well I know you don't mean the "our friends" part, but I sure would like to know your source.
Cause, iirc, the House of Saud was #2 on the WSJ list - I remember because a) I was surprised and b) I detest the House of Saud.

It's possible that you were looking at a combined oil/natural gas list, I suspect.

And it's always possible I'm flat wrong. Although I don't believe so, in this case.

57 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:07:24pm

That tears it. I'm ordering a new Dell.

58 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:07:56pm
59 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:08:00pm

The way I understand it is to first ass-u-me that Putin, having dialed his attitude back by forty years, is on the wrong side of any given issue.

Georgia wants to get closer to the West. A part of Georgia which is historically relatively un-Georgian, and which also happens to contain energy industry infrastructure, wants to be independent. Russia, wanting to punish Georgia for looking towards NATO, and wanting all those delicious gas and oil goodies, helps this part of Georgia "separate".

Not sure how accurate that understanding is, but that's what I get so far.

60 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:08:55pm

re: #51 LeePro

It's the short hand for typing on the Palm handhelds. I have an older model Palm Zire31. Use it for a whole bunch of stuff. Including reading books and novels.

61 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:09:13pm

re: #31 Mars Needs Neocons

I have the same problem with my Treo.

One solution is to add LGF to a google/ig homepage and load it through there. Google breaks it up into easy to read pages.

Still hoping someone other than google comes up with this kind of thing on mobile.

Ok. Now I know I'm gonna sound stupid, but what's a "google/ig homepage?"

62 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:09:44pm

re: #55 pingjockey

There isn't one msm outlet I trust to tell the unvarnished truth anymore. It always has an agenda now, usually slanted left. I guess it has always been that way but with the advent of the computer and the web it is possible to see the obfuscating and outright lies. Just the facts ain't good enough anymore I guess.

It depends on the subject.

For what it's worth, while I wouldn't rely on the perfection of every word proceeding from the mainstream press, I certainly wouldn't look to the Internet for higher quality facts.

63 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:10:07pm

re: #43 realwest

I like the way that was phrased ; I've seen that quote before, but not stated precisely that way.

Here's one in the same vein ...

“No man’s life, liberty or property is safe while the Legislature is in session.”

~ New York Surrogate Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866

This saying was quoted by Judge Tucker in his report on the final accounting of the estate of A. B. , published in New York Surrogate Reports, 1 Tucker (N. Y. Surr.) 249 (1866).

The saying is most commonly given as, “ ... while Congress is in session.”

64 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:10:24pm

Gotta go now and see what Olympics action I can catch on streaming video. USA! USA! USA! Go American Olympians!

65 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:10:44pm

re: #49 Cognito

A war breaks out between the second largest nuclear power in the world--a country that's been flirting with fascism since it threw off Communism--and one of its neighbors. The story features oil, allegations of ethnic cleansing, allegations of thousands of dead civilians in one day. I say I wish I understood the conflict better. You suggest I read. I ask you for an MSM source that's reporting well on a HUGE story, definitely bigger than Edwards being a hose monster, and probably bigger than the Olympics. You give a vague non-answer.

Yes, I was being sarcastic regarding your insight.

66 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:11:26pm

re: #65 Palandine

Fair enough. I'll think twice, next time.

-C

67 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:11:58pm
68 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:12:32pm

re: #62 Cognito
You are unfortunetly correct. I wonder what would happen to the reporter/producer/editor who actually covered a story and actually, without embellishment or bias told exactly what happened. The old, who, what, where, why, when, I learned way back in high school journalism class?

69 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:12:46pm

re: #61 LeePro

Ok. Now I know I'm gonna sound stupid, but what's a "google/ig homepage?"

Google has a homepage option that winds up with the address google.com/ig. It's a page you can put all of your RSS feeds up on. (Like LGF, HotAir, Just a Typical White Person, etc.) I don't use it on my pc anymore, but I did on my Treo for the fun of it, and it caused LGF to have a really convenient layout. I don't remember what the selection is exactly, but its something like Sign in to My Google Homepage or some such stuff.

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:13:16pm
Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.


OK.

71 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:13:20pm

re: #68 pingjockey

You are unfortunetly correct. I wonder what would happen to the reporter/producer/editor who actually covered a story and actually, without embellishment or bias told exactly what happened. The old, who, what, where, why, when, I learned way back in high school journalism class?

Happens all the time.

It's obscured by other, shoddy work by other, shoddy journalists, but it does happen all the time.

72 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:13:50pm

Uh, all y'all I AM tired cause my Meds have kicked in, but listen up: Hillary Clinton is scheduled to be "the big deal" speaker on Tuesday of the Dem Convention and on Wednesday night, Bill Clinton is scheduled to be "the big deal speaker" and Wednesday night is when the VP nominee is scheduled to be presented to the Convention which raps up on Thursday night.
And now this (posted in the spin-off links above):

Clinton on Obama: 'We're on one journey now'

LAS VEGAS - Hillary Rodham Clinton told an exuberant crowd Friday she wants Barack Obama to win the White House, even though he dashed her own presidential dreams - and she wants her supporters to vote that way, too.

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Sen. Obama than Sen. McCain," Clinton told her cheering audience in the Las Vegas suburb of Henderson. "Remember who we were fighting for in my campaign."

Though she has endorsed her former rival, the speech was Clinton's first appearance at a rally for Obama since the two appeared together in Unity, N.H., in June.

In another sign of growing detente between the House of Clinton and the House of Obama, Democrats said Bill Clinton would speak on the third night of this month's national convention in Denver.

The Clintons' efforts on Obama's behalf may ease worries within the party that bad feelings from the long primary battle might erupt at the convention.

She said Friday that "we may have started on two separate paths, but we are on one journey now." She said her long primary campaign against the Illinois senator showed her "his passion, his determination, his grace and his grit."

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

73 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:01pm

Found this elsewhere - explains a little.
[Link: www.france24.com...]

South Ossetia broke from Georgia in the early 1990s. It has since been a constant source of friction between Georgia and Russia, which opposes Tbilisi’s aspirations of joining NATO and has de facto supported the separatists although not recognised their independence.

South Ossetia has long sought unification with North Ossetia, which is inhabited by the same Ossetian ethnic group but ended up across the border in Russia after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

74 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:09pm

re: #62 Cognito

For what it's worth, while I wouldn't rely on the perfection of every word proceeding from the mainstream press, I certainly wouldn't look to the Internet for higher quality facts.


Crap. Pretend I'm stupid (OK don't pretend). Can you rephrase this?

75 Zimriel  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:15pm

Yes, the American MSM, and Drudge, have dropped the freakin' ball. I had to go to National Review Online and the UK press to pick this up. Ugh!

Feels like we won WW4 just to have WW3 start over, and all we had to defend ourselves with was John Edwards's pockmarked schmekel.

76 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:43pm

re: #72 realwest

This is not a good thing. The pair could beat McCain. Individually, no.

77 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:56pm

re: #71 Cognito
I wish I could believe that. I have become quite jaded with the media. We have a war, with Russia involved and the reporting is for naught.

78 slokat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:16:15pm

re: #73 RTLM

My two links in #48 explain a lot more, but they seem to be getting ignored...

79 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:31pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?


If BHO pays off her debts I think it is a possibility. A very low possibility.

My money is still on Hillary pulling a fast one and grabbing the nomination - throwing the dems into turmoil.

80 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:32pm

Just got this email. It's an old joke but a good one.

A teacher in Elmira, New York asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans. Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for little Johnny.

The teacher asked little Johnny why he has decided to be different...

Again Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.'

The teacher asked, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'

Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm a Republican.'

The teacher asked him why he's a Republican.

Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my Mom's a Republican and my Dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican.'

Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?'

With a big smile, little Johnny replied, 'That would make me an Obama fan.'

81 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:40pm

re: #55 pingjockey

There isn't one msm outlet I trust to tell the unvarnished truth anymore. It always has an agenda now, usually slanted left. I guess it has always been that way but with the advent of the computer and the web it is possible to see the obfuscating and outright lies. Just the facts ain't good enough anymore I guess.

My recognition of that started with a hand-painted sign, "Baby Milk Factory."

It was in Iraq, in 1991 - in english.

82 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:42pm

re: #63 RedPepper
Well y'all could be right about that, but I did get it out of a book of Twain's quotes and, btw, when
New York Surrogate Judge Gideon J. Tucker said Legislature he was indeed referring to the NYS legislature (I was a NY attorney for 35 years and an adjunct Associate Professor of Law and used to use that quote in my classroom!).

83 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:42pm

re: #74 Racer X

Crap. Pretend I'm stupid (OK don't pretend). Can you rephrase this?

Mainstream press = certainly not always right
"The Internet" = great for cat videos

84 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:18:48pm

re: #73 RTLM

Found this elsewhere - explains a little.
[Link: www.france24.com...]

I'm addicted to the Lonely Planet travel guides, and to travel books about the world's most dangerous places. It sounds to me like Georgia is in many places a terrible place to live, although it's unclear how much of that is due to the troubles caused by Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Still, they were hosting American troops and were interested in joining NATO, which immediately makes me think they're the good guys compared with the resurgent fascist Soviet Union. Still, I recognize the Georgians may have their bad qualities as well. However, when I read reports of thousands of dead in a day, I'd surely appreciate it if the press would decide to show up with a camera to see if this is happening or not, and who's responsible.

85 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:18:52pm

re: #78 slokat

Cool. The damn map wouldn't enlarge though. Very volatile looking region.

86 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:19pm

Night folks. Enjoy your weekend.

87 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:24pm

re: #18 Palandine

I have some insights, but I'm not precisely an expert.

88 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:39pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

He won't choose her, and the Clintons will turn on him like the rabid, power-hungry dogs they are.

I can't wait.

89 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:54pm

re: #83 Cognito

Mainstream press = certainly not always right
"The Internet" = great for cat videos

Thats pretty funny.

How do you explain the MSM pretty much ignoring the John Edwards story until he broke down and admitted it?

I know, there was a few little blips here and there, but you have to admit, if this were a republican it would have been front page for the past week.

90 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:21:03pm

God what propaganda!

Georgia broke away from Russia?

The Soviet Union swallowed up the Georgians and the later on the Georgians finally became free from the fucking Soviet Union.

91 jaunte  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:21:03pm

A Russian fighter (supporting the Abkhzian rebels) shot down a Georgian drone over Georgian territory back in April:
"Russia was effectively charged with committing an act of war yesterday after a United Nations report concluded that one of its planes shot down a Georgian reconnaissance aircraft over Georgia last month."
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

92 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:21:42pm

re: #77 pingjockey

We have a war, with Russia involved and the reporting is for naught.

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

93 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:23:00pm

I mean really, The National Enquirer absolutely pwned the MSM.

94 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:23:56pm

re: #89 Racer X

Thats pretty funny.

How do you explain the MSM pretty much ignoring the John Edwards story until he broke down and admitted it?

I know, there was a few little blips here and there, but you have to admit, if this were a republican it would have been front page for the past week.

Oh, of course. The explanation is simply a deep and broad liberal bias. There's also some hesitance to hop on a story first reported by a horrific tabloid, and possibly hesitance to smack someone who isn't anything but a private citizen now.

But really it's just bias.

95 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:07pm

re: #73 RTLM

Do think it is possible Russia will assert also meddle in the Kosovo independence move by cozying up more to the Serbs? I seem to remember them flaunting us at an airfield somewhere there .

Since I hear no real media attention about it. I wonder if we have made a deal with them to clear the way to Iran.

96 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:11pm

re: #54 Mars Needs Neocons

Is the Centro running PalmOS or WM?

Says Palm OS® Garnet v. 5.4.9

?

97 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:18pm

re: #92 Cognito

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

Sorry, I've got to call Bullshit on that. They always have plenty on hand to cover the "atrocities" of the Israelies, every little terrorist jackass flapping their gums in Iraq, the grand Obama world tour, and every anti-Bush pissed off Euroweenie.

What the Fuck are they doing? The olympics and following Obambi on vacation like his own personal fucking lap dogs.

98 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:34pm

“History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.”

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

99 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:36pm

re: #94 Cognito

Who are you, and what have you done with Cognito?

100 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:39pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

I can't imagine it.

What that question does make me imagine is: Hillary, doing her personal-best imitation of the Terminator, saying to BHO - "Come with me if you want to live!"

/Yes, I said "The Terminator". Think about it ...
//

101 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:44pm

re: #67 LeePro Thanks Lee! Course, that was from 2007 and the WSJ article I saw was somewhat more recent and KSA was dropping it's oil production/exports in 2007 while Russia was increasing theirs, but you and Cognito are probably right.

102 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:11pm

re: #78 slokat

My two links in #48 explain a lot more, but they seem to be getting ignored...

Yes this are good links -

The Ossetians are originally descendants of Iranian-speaking tribes from Central Asia. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian influence. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don river in present-day Russia and part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia[9] where they formed three distinct territorial entities.

I think we all have a lot to learn about this thing. Its looking like it might go some distance.

Freaking out of the clear blue this new hot war opens up. Weird.

103 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:23pm

re: #92 Cognito

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

So sad, the powerlessness of AP, AFP, Reuters, BBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Newsweek, Time, US News and World Report...

104 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:36pm

re: #94 Cognito

Oh, of course. The explanation is simply a deep and broad liberal bias. There's also some hesitance to hop on a story first reported by a horrific tabloid, and possibly hesitance to smack someone who isn't anything but a private citizen now.

But really it's just bias.

Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, shall I go on? Yes, they're all jackasses, but the press was on these stories before they even got their pants zipped up.
I sometimes like you, but tonight you are completely full of shit.

105 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:41pm

re: #83 Cognito

"The Internet" = great for cat videos

Don't try this at home!

/or this either

106 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:55pm

re: #99 Racer X

Who are you, and what have you done with Cognito?

I've always said the same.

Same boy I've always been.

107 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:05pm

re: #96 LeePro

Says Palm OS® Garnet v. 5.4.9

?

Ok, then Graffiti is the text input method with the stylus.

108 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:30pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

It's the short hand for typing on the Palm handhelds. I have an older model Palm Zire31. Use it for a whole bunch of stuff. Including reading books and novels.

ah.
No, I have full qwerty keyboard, including special characters and real smileys!
;D

109 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:38pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

I think he can win with her. And stands a better chance of losing with almost anyone else.

110 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:44pm

pimf - Those [are good links].

111 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:52pm

re: #92 Cognito

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

So what you're saying is, this place where we can get cute kitty videos can also be a really good source of information (with the proper bullshit filtering goggles).

112 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:27:34pm

re: #99 Racer X

Who are you, and what have you done with Cognito?

He's himself. The bias comment was sarcasm.

113 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:28:13pm

re: #112 Mars Needs Neocons

He's himself. The bias comment was sarcasm.

No, it wasn't.

Now I understand your previous comment.

114 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:28:21pm

re: #108 LeePro

ah.
No, I have full qwerty keyboard, including special characters and real smileys!
;D

So do I, but if it has touchscreen it should have a stylus input option.

115 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:28:56pm

re: #113 Cognito

No, it wasn't.

Now I understand your previous comment.

Seriously, then I apologize. It just came off sarcastic.

116 wolfie  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:06pm

re: #76 Mars Needs Neocons

This is not a good thing. The pair could beat McCain. Individually, no.


I dunno, Mars.
There are a lot of independent voters out there who can't stand the Hildebeast. I'm not sure she'd really help him with his "Appalachian problem" and Reagan Democrats.

In any case, I don't think she'll take second spot, even if offered it.
Not unless she's abandoned all hope of being president herself.

117 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:10pm

re: #115 Mars Needs Neocons

Seriously, then I apologize. It just came off sarcastic.

Not in the least.

118 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:36pm

re: #51 LeePro

You are now the appointed night owl! I give up...falling asleep at the keyboard, and I just hate those dents on my face. ;)

Wait a second...you are always online waaaay after I actually go to sleep!

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams.

119 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:37pm

re: #100 RedPepper
Hmmm - all my thinking about it came up with just one thing: John Foster. Does that ring any bells or is it my meds, again?!

120 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:59pm

re: #116 wolfie

I dunno, Mars.
There are a lot of independent voters out there who can't stand the Hildebeast. I'm not sure she'd really help him with his "Appalachian problem" and Reagan Democrats.

In any case, I don't think she'll take second spot, even if offered it.
Not unless she's abandoned all hope of being president herself.

If she did, then I'd watch my back if I were him.

121 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:00pm

re: #95 hazzyday

Do think it is possible Russia will assert also meddle in the Kosovo independence move by cozying up more to the Serbs? I seem to remember them flaunting us at an airfield somewhere there .

Since I hear no real media attention about it. I wonder if we have made a deal with them to clear the way to Iran.

I read here today that one of the few oil pipelines that doesn't run through Russia or Iran DOES run through Georgia. Given that the Russians blackmailed Europe earlier this year by threatening to turn off the gas, I find it worrisome that there is an appearance that Russia is trying to control the flow of oil in central Asia and therefore to Europe. It appears that a lot of blood may have been spilled for oil in just one day, but I guess the media isn't interested in investigating this story unless they can hang it on Chimpy McHalliburton.

122 jorline  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:11pm

re: #72 realwest

RW, how are you my friend...you're up late and and giving me nightmares.
Very scary scenario you're painting. I agree, together they will be very hard to beat. I think the strategist within the Democratic party know Obama is incapable of beating McCain alone, but with Hillary and Bill on the ticket....

123 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:32pm

re: #108 LeePro

Okay. You can probably also use the stylus as well. I am pretty quick and good with mine. Three years of practice will do that. :)

124 wolfie  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #78 slokat

My two links in #48 explain a lot more, but they seem to be getting ignored...

No way! (I mean about being ignored!)
Good stuff.

The Causcasus looks about as messy as the Balkans. Ugh.

125 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:32:06pm

re: #97 Mars Needs Neocons

Sorry, I've got to call Bullshit on that. They always have plenty on hand to cover the "atrocities" of the Israelies, every little terrorist jackass flapping their gums in Iraq, the grand Obama world tour, and every anti-Bush pissed off Euroweenie.

What the Fuck are they doing? The olympics and following Obambi on vacation like his own personal fucking lap dogs.

They'll tell you what's going on. They'll tell you what you need to know.

Maybe even threads on the internet are threadjacked into the direction the sock puppet wants.

/tinfoil hat not available

126 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:32:17pm

re: #122 jorline Sorry my friend, but think of MY misfortune! I came up with that stupid idea and now I gotta go to sleep! LOL!

127 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:32:36pm

re: #120 Mars Needs Neocons

If she did, then I'd watch my back if I were him.

If Hillary becomes the VP, Obama had better hire someone to taste his food.

128 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:33:27pm

re: #121 Palandine

It appears that a lot of blood may have been spilled for oil in just one day, but I guess the media isn't interested in investigating this story unless they can hang it on Chimpy McHalliburton.

Nailed it.

129 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:33:43pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I HAVE to get to bed now or sleep on my keyboard.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!


Goodnight, all.

130 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:33:51pm

re: #125 Shay4l

They'll tell you what's going on. They'll tell you what you need to know.

Maybe even threads on the internet are threadjacked into the direction the sock puppet wants.

/tinfoil hat not available

I'm there. It's this shit that's made me stop watching the news. Of course I've got cable now, and there are a lot more interesting things on.

/don't really watch cable either, usually working online.

131 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:34:19pm

re: #127 Racer X

If Hillary becomes the VP, Obama had better hire someone to taste his food.

Ok, the Mikey Moore thread is down one.

132 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:34:47pm

Later RW - hang tough my friend.

133 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:35:32pm

Howdy folks read this info today, thought I would pass it on, if it is true, fill your tanks and your gas cans, it won't be long...

[Link: viewmorepics.myspace.com...]

134 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:35:38pm

Night realwest, weet dreams to you.

135 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:35:44pm

Tv was just talking about a woman staying in the Lincoln bedroom when she heard a knocking on the door. I thought immediately Bill Clinton. Then I remembered I was watching a program on hauntings. Turns out it was just the ghost of Lincoln.

136 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:04pm

re: #90 Shay4l

Quite incorrect. Georgia was incorporated into the Russian Empire during the 18th Century. They made a stab at independence during the chaos surrounding the October Revolution, but due to a very strong Menshevik party - and a certain element of Left SRs - they stuck with the Russian Revolution.

The consolidation period was ugly, to put it mildly. However, the Georgians, prior to 1991, never made made much of an effort to separate from Russia.

137 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:16pm

OOps wrong thread please delete, let me try again!

138 eastvillageinfidel  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:30pm

re: #97 Mars Needs Neocons

That's a very good point. Couldn't someone have been taken off Obama detail and sent to find out about this situation that was clearly developing in Russia? There is no way this happened overnight. The NYT is not interested in oil scandals unless they involve chimpymcbushhitlerburton.

139 jorline  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:42pm

re: #126 realwest

Sorry my friend, but think of MY misfortune! I came up with that stupid idea and now I gotta go to sleep! LOL!

I don't think it's stupid and you be more on target than you think. Obama has fallen apart since he wrapped up the primaries and he's definitely not a show-in at this time.

140 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:44pm

re: #131 Mars Needs Neocons

Ok, the Mikey Moore thread is down one.

Sorry, I skipped that thread. What'd I miss?

141 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:49pm

'Nite RW. take care..

142 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:37:25pm

re: #82 realwest

I am suitably impressed! The quote by Judge Tucker has been a favorite of mine ever since I first heard it; actually, it took me some time 'til I was able to hunt down the quote's true origin.

Here is one of my all-time-favorite Twain quotes:

“I have no special regard for Satan; but I can at least claim that I have no prejudice against him. It may even be that I lean a little his way, on account of his not having a fair show. All religions issue bibles against him, but we never hear his side. We have none but the evidence for the prosecution, and yet we have rendered the verdict. To my mind, this is irregular. It is un-English; it is un-American; it is French ... Of course Satan has some kind of a case, it goes without saying. It may be a poor one, but that is nothing; that can be said about any of us.”,/i>

~ Mark Twain, in In Defense of Harriet Shelley and Other Essays

143 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:37:49pm

re: #140 Racer X

Sorry, I skipped that thread. What'd I miss?

I was referring to food taster. For some reason Mikey and food taster seemed to fit. Maybe I should have said that the food taster was discussed down one thread.

144 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:37:50pm

G'night, realwest.

And with that, I'm going to turn in as well. A cool night in the Twin Cities, with hardly a gunshot to be heard (and plenty of police presence after last night's shooting of a five-month-old child), it's going to be good sleeping weather.

The baby is doing fine. Just a flesh wound.

It's a true story. Ask Killian.

145 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:38:49pm

Ok #133 needs to be deleted, try this on, this info (if true) doesn't bode well for us, If true we need to fillour tanks and our gas cans cause it is gonna get ugly....

[Link: europebusines.blogspot.com...]

146 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:39:14pm

re: #124 wolfie

The Caucasus is nowhere near as bad as the Balkans. They're clear on the whole, "Hey, we're surrounded!" bit, and - aside from a few groups like the Azerbaijanis vs. the Armenians (and the Azeris think they're surrounded by the Armenians, to be absolutely fair), they are aware that they need to get along to keep a little freedom.

The Ossetian situation has been fomented as much by Great Russians as by Ossentians.

147 wolfie  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:39:29pm

re: #129 realwest

Goodnight, RW ! :)

148 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:39:50pm

re: #143 Mars Needs Neocons

I was referring to food taster. For some reason Mikey and food taster seemed to fit. Maybe I should have said that the food taster was discussed down one thread.

Ahh. So if Obama hires Mikey as his food taster, Obama would certainly lose some weight.

149 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:40:02pm

re: #136 Dianna
Thank You for that instruction. Were they independent before theperiod you mention?

150 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:40:18pm

I would like to once again state. Everyone who can should download the GOP toolbar from Freecause. Already today I have generated .48 in donation revenue. I can't donate because of my lack of income, but this is the least I can do while I still have internet.

151 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:41:45pm

re: #148 Racer X

Ahh. So if Obama hires Mikey as his food taster, Obama would certainly lose some weight.

lol

152 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:42:19pm

Gad, what am I saying! They were absorbed in the 1800's so they don't deserve independence? That's sick!

153 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:43:23pm

re: #149 Shay4l

Yes. Georgia is sometimes referred to as "The land of princes."

Georgia has a long, glorious and very bloody history. Start with Wiki, look at their sources, and start reading.

154 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:11pm

re: #145 Marvo76

Sorry dude - I call bullshit.

155 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:15pm

re: #152 Shay4l

That's not what I'm saying, nor you, either.

It's just important to know your facts before spouting off.

156 pat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:15pm

Thanks to all on the Ossetia stuff. Sounds like an interesting ethnic group. Will check out those links.

157 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:27pm

re: #119 realwest

Hmmm - all my thinking about it came up with just one thing: John Foster. Does that ring any bells or is it my meds, again?!

"Come with me if you want to live!" was actually said by Kyle Reese (played by Michael Biehn).

But it would have been a "Killer" (sorry!) ploy, in slightly different circumstances, if that come-on had been used by the Terminator ... IMHO.

158 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:45:03pm

re: #154 Racer X

Very briefly, why?

I'm talking Russia and Georgia, so I didn't click Marvo's link.

159 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:45:59pm

re: #155 Dianna

That's not what I'm saying, nor you, either.

It's just important to know your facts before spouting off.


Of course, you're right. I'll check it out.

160 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:46:24pm

re: #157 RedPepper

"Come with me if you want to live!" was actually said by Kyle Reese (played by Michael Biehn).

But it would have been a "Killer" (sorry!) ploy, in slightly different circumstances, if that come-on had been used by the Terminator ... IMHO.

Second film it was.

161 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:46:29pm

re: #156 pat

Do!

The Ossetians do not see themselves as Georgian, but as an absorbed ethnic group during the periods when Georgia was a player in Byzantine and Black Sea politics.

Anyone who's really interested should try looking at the history of Trebizond.

162 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:47:29pm

And, BTW, GoodNight, RW ... catch you down the road. Sweet dreams ...

163 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:48:04pm

I apologize, but I need to get up early tomorrow (I have to take my mom to the airport, and that's a major boo-hoo), so I shall have to duck out soon.

164 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:48:14pm

re: #154 Racer X

Sorry dude - I call bullshit.

Ok we know Israel is getting ready to do their thing, they have already said in published articles that they may strike "with or without" American consensus, Iran has already said what they would do if attacked. If I remember correctly the deployments for the carriers has been about 9 months, If memory serves it has only been about 6 since the last changing of the guard on station. I would welcome your reasoning...

165 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:49:00pm

re: #158 Dianna

Very briefly, why?

I'm talking Russia and Georgia, so I didn't click Marvo's link.

It appears to be from a troofer perspective. The author cannot even spell "USS Ronald Reagon".

166 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:49:43pm

re: #160 Mars Needs Neocons

Good point! I'd forgotten that - I was thinking about the original movie.

167 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:50:04pm

there is some info about russia/Georgia on that link as well, one part quotes a source that says Israel has 1000 troops in Georgia and they are helping in the fighting...

168 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:50:50pm

re: #166 RedPepper

Good point! I'd forgotten that - I was thinking about the original movie.

I know most people are burned out, but the new movie preview looks mind blowing.
The future was changed in a really freaky way. Movie looks almost like a horror film.

169 jorline  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:07pm

re: #161 Dianna

Do!

The Ossetians do not see themselves as Georgian, but as an absorbed ethnic group during the periods when Georgia was a player in Byzantine and Black Sea politics.

Anyone who's really interested should try looking at the history of Trebizond.

I know it's time for bed...I thought your first sentence said...The Olstein's, as in Joel.

Nite all!

170 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:20pm

re: #164 Marvo76

It is very possible we have carrier movement towards Iran. It is possible we are heading for a conflict with Iran. Doom and gloom with zero gas supplies? Please.

171 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:20pm

Georgia is bringing back 1,000 of its 2,000 troops from Iraq - right now. The best trained, most battle hardened troops they have.

172 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:39pm

Uhm you criticize it because of the spelling? If spelling alone was the reason, then more than half of what you read in the news would be BS I find spelling errors all the time in the paper.

173 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #170 Racer X

It is very possible we have carrier movement towards Iran. It is possible we are heading for a conflict with Iran. Doom and gloom with zero gas supplies? Please.

NOt zero, but at prices double what they are today, which put it out of the reach of most folks on limited income, that is why I say fill up now, it won't last very long because the paper tiger that is Iran will fold quickly...

174 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:52:50pm

re: #170 Racer X

It is very possible we have carrier movement towards Iran. It is possible we are heading for a conflict with Iran. Doom and gloom with zero gas supplies? Please.

I think it should be easy to fact check at least part of the article. Does the DEBKA site really say what the article says? Is DEBKA reliable?

175 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:53:11pm

re: #168 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm a sucker for alternate-reality scenarios. Old-school Sci-Fi fan ...

176 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:53:17pm

re: #171 RTLM

Remember, they've been rotating through Iraq, with American training. There are American advisers in Georgia.

I wonder what would happen if we gave them air cover and let them go to town. Russian logistics are not exactly stellar, at the moment.

177 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:53:32pm

re: #172 Marvo76

Uhm you criticize it because of the spelling? If spelling alone was the reason, then more than half of what you read in the news would be BS I find spelling errors all the time in the paper.

It's more than that.

I sense troofer cooties.

178 freetoken  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:03pm

re: #171 RTLM

Is this a way for them to signal to GWB that they expect the US to weigh in on this matter, with more than just a statement at at a State Dept briefing?

179 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:09pm

re: #174 Mars Needs Neocons

DEBKA is always interesting, but seldom a rock-solid source.

180 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:13pm

re: #172 Marvo76

I turned off the minute the writer stated that the neo-cons were looking to commit an act of war by starting a blockade. I don't think he knows what he's talking about and is just jumping to conclusions.

/time to shed some light on the situation.

181 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:20pm

I'm off too, Dianna. It's been a long and un-edifying day, and I think I'll watch a little Mystery Science Theter 3000 to cheer myself up before bed.

Your insights are greatly appreciated. If this conflict continues, I suppose things may become clearer, but I get easily frustrated by ambiguity. I'd love to know who I should be rooting for, and if there's any indication how long this will go on or if it will spread, but I'll have to be content with shades of grey for now. I have a lot to think about. I will say this--ethnic conflicts suck. We're so lucky in this country to have a melting pot, even if at times it is imperfect. I'd prefer to think this is Russia land-grabbing to control oil rather than the same old hatreds, but I guess there's no reason it can't be both, and it'll be interesting to see what becomes clearer in upcoming days.

182 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:55:09pm

re: #175 RedPepper

I'm a sucker for alternate-reality scenarios. Old-school Sci-Fi fan ...

Me too.

183 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:55:19pm

I liked the Barcelona games opening ceremony where they shot the flaming arrow to light the torch.

184 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:55:21pm

re: #174 Mars Needs Neocons

I think it should be easy to fact check at least part of the article. Does the DEBKA site really say what the article says? Is DEBKA reliable?

DEBKA is an intel site, and as such it is responsible for putting out good and bad info on purpose to confuse the "enemy". They do have some good insights on this kind of thing but the article isn't just from one source....

185 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:00pm

re: #178 freetoken

Georgia's an ally. Unless we're planning wholesale betrayal, we better do more than some little condemnatory statement.

We have problems in supplying Georgian materiel needs, or even air support, given what lies between (say) Afghanistan and Georgia, but we definitely owe the Georgians, big time.

The Russians? Not so much.

186 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:05pm

re: #179 Dianna

DEBKA is always interesting, but seldom a rock-solid source.

Also I have just been at Debkafile and I wasn't able to find anything like the quote on that site.

187 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:05pm

re: #184 Marvo76

DEBKA is an intel site, and as such it is responsible for putting out good and bad info on purpose to confuse the "enemy". They do have some good insights on this kind of thing but the article isn't just from one source....

OH HO

188 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:30pm

I am a hatchling only been here about 3 weeks, enlighten me on what a trofer is?

189 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:57:26pm

re: #181 Palandine

Just one small point - support the Georgians. They're the least sucky side in all this.

You do not want Russia back in expansionist totalitarian mode, and that's where they're heading with this.

190 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:57:28pm

re: #7 LeePro

hi, y'all. i'm on cellphone.

I tried that once. The buzz was lousy, and it made me feel all jittery and paranoid.
/

191 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:57:30pm

re: #184 Marvo76

DEBKA is an intel site, and as such it is responsible for putting out good and bad info on purpose to confuse the "enemy". They do have some good insights on this kind of thing but the article isn't just from one source....

I'm aware of that, but that is the one small part that would be easiest to confirm right off. I know that many lizards are familiar with Debka, so it would be easier to check that part of the article than chasing down various sources that may or may not exist.

192 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:58:00pm

Also the front page of DEBKA isn't that comprehensive and they have a pay site that goes into more detail and has more stories, could be from that section of it...I will check it now

193 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:58:30pm

re: #188 Marvo76

Troofer = believer in 9/11 conspiracy bull[bleep!].

194 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:58:31pm

re: #188 Marvo76

9/11 conspiracist.

195 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:30pm

re: #189 Dianna

True that. As I said upthread, I automatically lean toward them because they allowed our troops in, fought in Iraq, and want to be in NATO.

196 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:38pm

re: #176 Dianna

Remember, they've been rotating through Iraq, with American training. There are American advisers in Georgia.

I wonder what would happen if we gave them air cover and let them go to town. Russian logistics are not exactly stellar, at the moment.

Thats very true. The Russian's only supply line is over the Caucasus into South Ossetia. It will be shut come winter. But thats a long time from now - Late September/early Oct. The Georgians need to shut it now.

If I were a decision maker in the Pentagon, I'd be getting as many Predator and Reaper units into Georgia as soon as effing possible.

197 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:47pm
Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel. These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

That's what Debkafile actually says about the 1000 Israeli "forces" in the region.

198 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:50pm

I really have to go to bed. To say nothing of needing a shower before I jump into bed, because I'm sweaty and smell slightly like a nanny goat.

Take care, all!

199 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #184 Marvo76

Dude.

The comments over there are, uh, typical lefty troofer slant.

Dictator Bush just wont be happy until he completely runs the US right into the ground. Way to go there Dictator Bush!

This time, if it happens, you can expect biological and chemical attacks inside the United States and the UK, and France. This is what George W. Bush has brought to the world.

My favorite:

Russia has weapons know as cosmospheres that would defeat any thing known to man.

Have you got another source?

200 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:01:11pm

re: #196 RTLM

I so wish I could stay up and chat about this. You're right. I'm arguing this point with friends in person - they keep talking about rail ties. I'm...not so sure.

Please keep thinking about this.

201 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:01:18pm

I'm not going to discard this story out of hand, but I know I have seen the 48 hour rule invoked for stories like this and with Debka in particular.

202 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:02:23pm

I would like to declare that, from here on out, much of what I say may or may not be factual. But don't worry: I'm just trying to confuse the enemy. It's "intel."

203 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:02:53pm

re: #197 Mars Needs Neocons

That's what Debkafile actually says about the 1000 Israeli "forces" in the region.

Aren't all Israeli citizens "military" in that they served a certain term? So doesn't that make the statement about the private security firms having Israeli military people a bit disingenuous?

204 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:03:05pm

re: #202 Cognito

I would like to declare that, from here on out, much of what I say may or may not be factual. But don't worry: I'm just trying to confuse the enemy. It's "intel."

lol

205 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:03:10pm

re: #202 Cognito

ROFLMAO!

206 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:03:35pm

re: #198 Dianna

... I ... smell slightly like a nanny goat.

Now that's just guaranteed to attract the wrong sort of guy ...

///

207 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:04:06pm

[Link: www.debka.com...]
Here is where he got this info from, left wing slant I noticed but that doesn't take away from the info in the article. Just a lot of snide comments...typical for a liberal...but I agree with the 48 hour rule...

208 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:04:17pm

re: #199 Racer X

Dude.

The comments over there are, uh, typical lefty troofer slant.

Have you got another source?

Damn, I didn't even look at the comments, and I tend to criticize those that don't.

209 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:05:03pm

re: #206 RedPepper

Fortunately, my Male also smells pretty goat-like, tonight.

Hard session in martial arts.

210 stevedecatur  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:05:06pm

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]


I like this unintentional Greater Israel map Yahoo! Sports is using, would probably piss off a few Islamics.

211 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:05:53pm

re: #203 Mars Needs Neocons

Aren't all Israeli citizens "military" in that they served a certain term? So doesn't that make the statement about the private security firms having Israeli military people a bit disingenuous?

Israeli military folks do get farmed out for security duty, saw that on one of the cable channels about Krav naga (sp?) the israeli martial arts training.

212 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:06:00pm

re: #192 Marvo76

Marvo,

I think this falls under the "stick to the kitty videos" part of the internets.

While this conspiracy theory may have some valid points, I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom outcome presented by the author.

The U.S. still knows how to kick some ass.

213 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:06:27pm

re: #209 Dianna

As they say, whatever gets you the night ... (S)weet dreams.

214 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:08:28pm

re: #213 RedPepper

... thru the night ... (PIMF!)

215 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:08:29pm

Has anyone else had no luck DVR-ing the Olympics? We went out to dinner and I set the DVR to record the big show. I fired up this thing and it told me that this is an "Unrecordable Channel"

Crap.

216 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:09:47pm

re: #212 Racer X

Marvo,

I think this falls under the "stick to the kitty videos" part of the internets.

While this conspiracy theory may have some valid points, I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom outcome presented by the author.

The U.S. still knows how to kick some ass.

I agree with you on that, I think (having served in Uncle sam's canoe club) that with that level of firepower being brought to bear they can do a good job of putting a credible naval blockade, and wiping out most of the Iranian military within a day or two. I don't think they will make the same mistake of sending "one of the best telegraphed punches" like they did during shock and awe...probably right after a quick Israeli raid....

217 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:10:28pm

re: #215 RTLM

Has anyone else had no luck DVR-ing the Olympics? We went out to dinner and I set the DVR to record the big show. I fired up this thing and it told me that this is an "Unrecordable Channel"

Crap.

That sucks!

I watched most of the opening. I DVRd it as well. Will check to see if it is viewable.

218 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:10:37pm

re: #215 RTLM

All your lympics r belong 2 us!

/Nitol!

219 Bobibutu  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:12:01pm

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on the ballot

She made it ... now chompin' at the bit to debate Nan and hold her feet to the fire.

220 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:12:03pm

re: #216 Marvo76

Agreed.

48 hour rule definitely in effect.

Could also be part of that "diplomacy" Bush has been talking about lately. Heh.

221 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:12:25pm

What manner of a man are you who can summons fire from his hands without the aid of flint nor tinder?

223 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:16:31pm

re: #188 Marvo76

I am a hatchling only been here about 3 weeks, enlighten me on what a trofer is?

"Troofers" (think of a moron saying "truth") are the morons who believe that someone other than Islamic militants was responsible for the 9-11 attacks, usually "Chimpy McHitlerburton" or "Zionists:.

224 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:21:49pm

re: #101 realwest

Thanks Lee! Course, that was from 2007 and the WSJ article I saw was somewhat more recent and KSA was dropping it's oil production/exports in 2007 while Russia was increasing theirs, but you and Cognito are probably right.

Your comment:

#37 realwest 8/08/2008 9:59:07 pm PDT

re: #28 Cognito Well I be waay to tired to go grab the link Cog, but feel free to - I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago, if that helps give you a starting point.

"...I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago" sounds like 2007 to me.

225 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:22:47pm

re: #199 Racer X

The comments over there are, uh, typical lefty troofer slant.

My Favorite:

Russia has weapons know as cosmospheres that would defeat any thing known to man.

In this regard, the rogue state of Kansas must also be feared.
/

226 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:24:42pm

Well lizards. Time for me to hit the sack and try to catch up on some sleep. Have yourselves a good one and sleep well.

/stay scaly.

227 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:26:11pm

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons

Ok, then Graffiti is the text input method with the stylus.

You mean like they had back in the '90s? I have full qwerty keyboard. Haven't seen any reference to "Graffiti" in documentation.

228 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:27:21pm

re: #226 BlueCanuck

Right back at ya, Blue.

229 Clemente  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:27:31pm

re: #188 Marvo76

I am a hatchling only been here about 3 weeks, enlighten me on what a trofer is?

Fascinating that you should ask. One could Google the word, if only one knew how. Unless, of course, the question arose from motives other than simple curiosity and mental inertia.

230 freetoken  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:27:35pm

A Russian perspective:

S.Ossetia says over 1,000 dead after Georgian attack

MOSCOW, August 8 (RIA Novosti) - Over 1,000 civilians have been killed as the result of an attack by Georgia on the capital of its breakaway republic of South Ossetia, the North Ossetian nationalities minister said Friday.

"According to the South Ossetian information and press committee, the number of fatalities is estimated, according to preliminary information, at over 1,000," Teimuraz Kasayev said.

North Ossetia is part of Russia. [...]

The statement also said that most of the city had been devastated by the Georgian military attack, which left the hospital destroyed and the republic's university on fire.

231 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:32:20pm

If the name Ossetia sounds familiar to you lizards for some reason but you just can't put your finger on it...think back a few years to September, 2004.

Beslan is in North Ossetia.

232 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:33:36pm

so...if that tunnel were blocked, they couldn't resupply their tanks?

233 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:39:35pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

I tried that once. The buzz was lousy, and it made me feel all jittery and paranoid.
/

LOL

And yes, I'm about an hour behind on reading comments. Almost caught up............................

234 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:43:49pm

re: #233 LeePro

And yes, I'm about an hour behind on reading comments. Almost caught up.

Story of my life. I've just been skipping around and commenting on stuff that strikes me as funny. In a good way.

So, I've missed the whole story, but how did your dental thing go?

235 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:50:43pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

Story of my life. I've just been skipping around and commenting on stuff that strikes me as funny. In a good way.

So, I've missed the whole story, but how did your dental thing go?

Wow (for me)! That's the fastest hour on record.

Dental: most uppers gone, big plastic thing in my mouth with fake teeth on it. Talking with pronounced lisp now, and eating (while not as painful as before) is no longer one of life's pleasures. IOW, just ducky.

They tell me it will get better. Waiting...

236 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:55:27pm

re: #229 Clemente

I don't google I don't like them or what they stand for... I know it kinda limits me, but why click on them and make them any richer? besides I figured I might get the better answer here...

237 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:02:38am

The Obama Salute

George Bush had his three-fingered W salute that supporters flashed when greeting him at presidential campaign events in 2000. And now, if a Los Angeles creative agency gets its way, Sen. Barack Obama will see fans meet him with his own salute like the one above. "Our goal is to see a crowd of 75,000 people at Obama's nomination speech holding their hands above their heads, fingers laced together in support of a new direction for this country, a renewed hope, and acceptance of responsibility for our future,"

The Obama camp can now consider themselves officially encrazed.

A salute? No. But it would be a perfect lapel pin for Obamatron Nation.

238 LeePro  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:06:43am

Bedtime!

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

239 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #235 LeePro

....and eating (while not as painful as before) is no longer one of life's pleasures.

I am truly sorry to hear that part (NO sarc). Though I am not nearly as large as my nic, and "foodiness" might suggest, food is just about my favorite thing, ever.

I do hope it gets better for you. Eating is not only a joy of flavor and sustenance, it also an experience that brings people together and forms bonds.

I hope you feel better soon, LeePro. G'nite.

240 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:12:58am

Saw this elsewhere - too good not to share.

"Society today is composed of two distinct species. The first, Homo sapiens...what we consider to be normal intelligent logical people who understand cause and effect, people that understand nothing is free and everthing costs something.
The second species is Homo Stupidicus. This species believes that they are entiteled to have all the wonderful things in life but that they should not have to work for it. They believe that they should not have to risk anything but still reap success. They believe that government can create money out of thin air and should give it to everyone that doesn’t have enough.
Homo Stupidicus has grown, prospered and bred to become a majority of the populace because Homo Sapiens had a minor brain fart and created welfare, social security and modern medicine. Prior to these inventions Homo Stupidicus rarely lived long enough to breed.
We have shortcircuited the filter in the gene pool....Homo Stupidicus is now breeding rampantly and has reached a critical mass where the members of this species outnumber Homo Sapiens. They continue to demand more and more from the productive species while becoming less and less capable of self control, self direction, self reliance and at times self awareness.
The two species are virtually indistinguishable physically. You cannot determine which species you are confronted with by simply looking at them. You have to listen to them to find out whether they are sapient...intelligent, or stupidicus. Homo Stupidicus will invariably make their presence know by the socialistic bleatings they utter.
Most Homo Sapiens are politically conservative or independent. Homo Stupidicus is almost exclusively liberal or apolitical....meaning they don’t care who is in charge as long as the food stamps and welfare check shows up every month."

241 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:41:09am

re: #9 Bubblehead II

Tis easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Once on any particular offense in a command.

/personal experience %-)

242 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:50:09am

re: #215 RTLM

Has anyone else had no luck DVR-ing the Olympics? We went out to dinner and I set the DVR to record the big show. I fired up this thing and it told me that this is an "Unrecordable Channel"

Crap.

then don't bother watching it....

/do the world a favor

243 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:07:54am

so anyway, there i was, largish scotch & water in hand, bordom on the mind, and Blue's "well hidden fridge" in sight........

what to do?

BIAB, after i dig in the goodie bag. %-)

244 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:08:15am

re: #231 Colonel Panik

If the name Ossetia sounds familiar to you lizards for some reason but you just can't put your finger on it...think back a few years to September, 2004.

Beslan is in North Ossetia
.

Oh my. That hadn't occurred to me. That squares with the report of mass volunteer fighters crossing into Georgia - against Georgia.

Hundreds, possibly thousands, of volunteer fighters from Russia were mobilising to enter the war in Georgia's breakaway republic of South Ossetia last night.

Units of armed Cossacks from across the North Caucasus region which borders Georgia were poised to join the battle for the separatists' capital, Tskhinvali.

Under Russia law, Cossacks - the descendants of runaway serfs and outlaws who in the past were employed to protect the country's southern border - are allowed to carry arms and carry out policing functions in cooperation with interior ministry forces.

Cossacks are historically Orthodox Christian.

245 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:12:39am

re: #244 RTLM

Cossacks are historically Orthodox Christian.

nothing good will come of these events.

(and i'm not referencing the religions, at least off the top.)

246 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:36:27am

so anyway, now that i've killed the thread, anyone wanna play Asteroids?

247 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:37:31am

would have poasted that a damn site sooner, but AT&T is a crappy ISP.

/take my word for it.

248 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:38:02am

CHANGE?

/drink!

249 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:39:51am

I CHANGEd my regular Coke to a Cuba Libre, does that count?

250 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:41:07am

American tourist attacked and killed in Beijing: state media

A Chinese man on Saturday attacked and killed an American tourist in central Beijing, one day after the Olympic Games opened in the Chinese capital, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

The man attacked two Americans as well as their Chinese guide at the historic Drum Tower monument, a popular tourist site, Xinhua said.

One tourist was killed in the attack and the other two people were injured, said Xinhua. The assailant then committed suicide by jumping off the second story of the monument, according to the agency

The report gave no details as to the nature of the attack, or the motive.

Obviously with a knife. Sounds familiar.

251 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:48:33am

re: #250 RTLM

American tourist attacked and killed in Beijing: state media

Obviously with a knife. Sounds familiar.

knives are scary: you have to be in shape, well aware and well trained to deal with them up close.

i prefer the 21 foot rule for people with edged weapons.

252 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:49:03am

re: #249 Fenway_Nation

I CHANGEd my regular Coke to a Cuba Libre, does that count?

only if you pour me a double!

253 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:00:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

/*Today's special fruit and dip treat courtesy of Ma Sands.

254 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:02:04am

Lime is a fruit, isn't it?

Does that make my Cuba Librea a pseudo fruitcup?

255 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:05:25am

Fenway! :-)

Okay. Anything with fruit is a "fruitcup".

/who says I can't make up the rules as I go along...?

;-)

256 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:08:16am

re: #253 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

/*Today's special fruit and dip treat courtesy of Ma Sands.

who needs fruitcup when you can have ice cream?

/only thing better is home made, and that's a vote. %-)

257 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:08:56am

re: #253 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

/*Today's special fruit and dip treat courtesy of Ma Sands.

Y'know, I was thinking that a fruit cup would be the best thing ever - right now.

:)

258 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:10:23am

re: #257 RTLM

Y'know, I was thinking that a fruit cup would be the best thing ever - right now.

:)

then you never considered a martini, did you?

duh.

259 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:10:28am

re: #256 redc1c4

red! :-)

Do they have coffee ice cream?

/two birds; one stone

260 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:10:50am

RTLM! :-)

261 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:13:25am

re: #258 redc1c4

then you never considered a martini, did you?

duh.

Heh!

/Cabernet is less toxic and next-day debilitating.

262 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:15:56am

re: #237 RTLM

The Obama Salute

The Obama camp can now consider themselves officially encrazed.

A salute? No. But it would be a perfect lapel pin for Obamatron Nation.

I've seen pics of that. I'd like to propose that we label it the "Ogina".
Rhymes with (say it with me, folks).....

263 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:16:45am

re: #262 Alberta Oil Peon

BAD BOY! ;-)

Alberta Oil Peon!

264 thelongblogger  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:18:04am

How did it ever get to be two in the morning?

My clock must be broken!

Oh, well... I'll have one of those strawberries and go to bed.

Thanks, littleoldlady (and MA Sands)

265 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:20:03am

'Night, thelongblogger! :-)

/it's nearly 5:30 here...

266 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:30:08am

re: #262 Alberta Oil Peon

Regina, Saskatchewan?

267 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:32:06am

re: #261 RTLM

Heh!

/Cabernet is less toxic and next-day debilitating.

Zinfandel!
party on!

268 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:37:01am

re: #261 RTLM

Heh!

/Cabernet is less toxic and next-day debilitating.

that reminds me: did you ever get gifted with the martini.xls file?

nic is blue if you didn't. %-)

/OPSEC

269 bp sf  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:49:25am

How much would America pay for a John Edwards Maury Povich pay-per-view event? $29.95? $49.95?


(opening envelope)


"John, you ARE the father!"

Now that I'd pay for. And watch the tape over and over.

270 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:05:10am

There's a war in Georgia going on and Fox leads with John Edwards?

271 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:14:26am

re: #270 MandyManners

There's a war in Georgia going on and Fox leads with John Edwards?

The war in Georgia started yesterday. There's just no reliable media in there yet.

Edwards will go away quietly.

272 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:15:21am

re: #270 MandyManners

Could be worse. Could be Brittany...

273 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:22:55am

re: #271 RTLM

The war in Georgia started yesterday. There's just no reliable media in there yet.

Edwards will go away quietly.

They didn't even mention the war!

Somehow I don't think this Edwards issue is gonna' fade away.

274 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:25:25am

re: #272 littleoldlady

Could be worse. Could be Brittany...

She's had her 15 minutes.

275 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:27:19am

There is a very bad update on the American tourest who was murdered in Beijing. The person killed was a relative of a USA Volleyball Coach.

276 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:31:37am

re: #273 MandyManners

They didn't even mention the war!

Somehow I don't think this Edwards issue is gonna' fade away.

Mandy,
Fox covered it all day. Nobody really knows anything yet. Hopefully it will calm down once enough Russian conscripts decide they don't wanna fight a society of determined citizens.

And I meant Edwards will fade - not is issues.

277 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:32:31am

re: #275 RTLM

There is a very bad update on the American tourest who was murdered in Beijing. The person killed was a relative of a USA Volleyball Coach.

Committed suicide? I wonder if he's a Uighur.

278 Luigi  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:32:44am

Tigerhawk covers the Russian invasion of Georgia/South Ossetia, making a number of salient points, not the least of which is about our credibility in aiding our allies. (Georgia has 2000 troops in Iraq.)

Tigerhawk also points out that the invasion may serve the Russians as a rear guard action against a Western attack on their important ally Iran. My opinion here, but I've always believed that Iran is supposed to nuke us for the Russians since their religious practices compel them to take the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction as an incentive.

[Link: tigerhawk.blogspot.com...]

Here is a CNN story that constantly refers to the Russian invasion as an effort to restore peace. Since it's a leftist action against American interests, Orwell is automatically put in charge of the truth at CNN and the Kremlin.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

War is peace.

Have a nice day.

279 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:33:39am

re: #276 RTLM

Mandy,
Fox covered it all day. Nobody really knows anything yet. Hopefully it will calm down once enough Russian conscripts decide they don't wanna fight a society of determined citizens.

And I meant Edwards will fade - not is issues.

A revolt in the army?!

280 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:34:18am

re: #277 MandyManners

Committed suicide? I wonder if he's a Uighur.

I wonder if his cousin was on a Greyhound Bus in Canada last week.

281 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:37:22am

re: #279 MandyManners

A revolt in the army?!

No, just passive aggressive laziness. Broken equipment, squabbling in the ranks, leaks in the roof, etc....

Typical conscript behavior - Losers all.

282 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:42:31am

re: #280 RTLM

I wonder if his cousin was on a Greyhound Bus in Canada last week.

SJS.

283 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:43:11am

re: #281 RTLM

No, just passive aggressive laziness. Broken equipment, squabbling in the ranks, leaks in the roof, etc....

Typical conscript behavior - Losers all.

Well, life must be hard in the once-great Soviet army.

284 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:49:50am

Going back to bed.

285 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:52:36am

re: #283 MandyManners

Well, life must be hard in the once-great Soviet army.

they were never that great, just numerous.

"Quantity has quality all it's own."

/AirLand Battle

286 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:54:32am

Hiya Red, and Mandy, anyone else around? Anyone seen Miguel lately?

287 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:55:49am

re: #286 coquimbojoe

joe! :-)

I haven't heard from Miguel since last Friday. :-( :-( :-(

288 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:57:17am

re: #287 littleoldlady

joe! :-)

I haven't heard from Miguel since last Friday. :-( :-( :-(

How is he doing (how are you doing?) i have been moving this week and still don't have internet at home....

289 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:57:57am

I am having LGF withdrawels... and I will be away on business all next week without the ability to post...

290 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:00:08am

Somebody put up a spinoff link from Kos written by a disappointed Edwards supporter. Aside from his/her understandable bitterness, this person made a very important point that I didn't even think of:

Edwards said he admitted the affair to his wife in 2006. They both knew about it. And yet, he ran for President.

That takes an enormous amount of...je ne sais quoi...arrogance? stupidity? delusion?

/having trouble wrapping my brain around that...

291 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:01:05am

re: #288 coquimbojoe

I don't know how he's doing. Well, I hope (I PRAY!)

Good luck with your move! :-)

292 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:04:42am

re: #291 littleoldlady

I don't know how he's doing. Well, I hope (I PRAY!)

Good luck with your move! :-)

Move complete minus the cats. They are coming tomorrow. Now all that remains is the unpacking decorating and organizing, and starting to feed the children from someplace other than Taco Bell!

I need to track down Realwest and see if he can pass on my best wishes to Migs. Anyhow, It is four AM here in Vegas and time for bed...

Have a greast day LOL and the rest of the Lizardim...

293 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:06:50am

re: #290 littleoldlady

Somebody put up a spinoff link from Kos written by a disappointed Edwards supporter. Aside from his/her understandable bitterness, this person made a very important point that I didn't even think of:

Edwards said he admitted the affair to his wife in 2006. They both knew about it. And yet, he ran for President.

That takes an enormous amount of...je ne sais quoi...arrogance? stupidity? delusion?

/having trouble wrapping my brain around that...

Oh, If we could power the electrical grid on hubris and arrogance, Obama and Silky are the Saudi Arabia of self importance; and we could be energy independent for the next 200 years!

294 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:07:59am

re: #290 littleoldlady

Somebody put up a spinoff link from Kos written by a disappointed Edwards supporter. Aside from his/her understandable bitterness, this person made a very important point that I didn't even think of:

Edwards said he admitted the affair to his wife in 2006. They both knew about it. And yet, he ran for President.

That takes an enormous amount of...je ne sais quoi...arrogance? stupidity? delusion?

/having trouble wrapping my brain around that...

For such a giant pantloads, Edwards and Obama are the biggest lightweights out there!

295 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:08:29am

re: #293 coquimbojoe

GAH! I think you've hot upon the (finally successful) Democratic energy plan! ;-)

I'll send Miguel your regards in my morning email to him. :-)

296 buzzdroid  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:09:37am

things are looking bad for Georgia... looks like the Russians are moving en-masse into South Ossetia...

Russian jets are bombing targets within Georgia itself.

297 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:09:46am

hit upon

/she meant to type...

Typos mean it's time to get moving.

Good day, ALL!™

298 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:09:48am

re: #295 littleoldlady

GAH! I think you've hot upon the (finally successful) Democratic energy plan! ;-)

I'll send Miguel your regards in my morning email to him. :-)

Thank you! Please tell him he is in my prayers.

299 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:21:51am

re: #92 Cognito

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

Pull your head out of your butt. What do you think LGF is doing and so many others?

300 Egfrow  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:40:29am

AP writes a gloating article about the ChiComs arrival to the world stage and it's upcoming dominance of the world.

301 laZardo  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:41:27am

Gyuuuuuuuuuud evening, y'all...

302 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:46:13am

#300 Egfrow

who listens to the Associated Putz any more?

303 Egfrow  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:51:51am

re: #302 Jewels (AKA Julian)

#300 Egfrow

who listens to the Associated Putz any more?

Pretty much all the MSM.

304 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:57:06am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So much for the safest Olympics ever:

An American tourist has been killed at the Olympic Games in China. A knife-wielding Chinese man attacked two relatives of a coach for the U.S. Olympic men's volleyball team at a tourist site in Beijing, killing one and injuring the other on the first day of the Olympics on Saturday, team officials and state media said.

Sad. Even with the massive amounts of security available, this kind of thing can still happen. Thoughts and prayers go out to their family.

305 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:01:18am
...But being 99% honest is no longer enough...

You gotta love John Edwards. LOL. I cannot wait for the chance to use that line when trying to get out of something.

306 Tigger2005  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:17:42am

I recently went to Ukraine, Lviv specifically, to meet ladies. Such an old and run-down city, but lovely in a way, and nice people, very Westernized in that half of the country. My hosts (the wife is Ukrainian, the husband is from Canada) have two beautiful little daughters.

The husband and I talked about politics a bit and he mentioned how concerned he was about Russia. I can see he was right on target. I know he is watching the unfolding situation in Georgia with great interest and alarm.

It's the same old Russia. Some things never change.

307 oneman  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:22:06am

Amazing that no one has yet quoted Lazarus Long's extension of Twain:

Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to let you make your second shot perfect.

308 laZardo  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:25:38am

Random art moment.

Too much exposure to LGF can CHANGE you.

309 Han_Solo  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:33:34am

Did IRAN get BOO's?

I could have sworn the Chinese crowed gave boos to the Iranians during the parade.

And Costas made some comment about 'a different welcome than the other teams'.

310 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:45:30am

i put a link in linkie thing, as i linked to site of original and i forgot to add an originaL source, thanks to " hotair". should i leave it alone or how do i fix that?

311 TommyGun  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:02:38am

And here I was led to belive that August was a slow month for news.

312 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:07:47am

re: #311 TommyGun

And here I was led to belive that August was a slow month for news.

Well your certainly not gonna let a little Russian invasion of a neighboring country with 1500 dead ruin your summer vacation? Can you imagine the world's reaction if just 15 Palestinians were killed trying to murder innocent Jews?

313 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:10:55am
Tbilisi parliament approves 15-day state of war and martial law.


15 days?

314 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:11:48am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (69 degrees going up to 89 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this fine morning?

315 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:14:09am

Had a great time teaching ESL to young Thai teens today, until 10AM (8PM Left Coast time) when I accidentally smashed my right-little toe... no broken bones, but the thing is throbbing and black-blue-redtinged...

So with a hearty "Hi yo Silver!" and a gentle 'Leapin Lizard, Sandy!' I bid you good night from the dark evening of suburban Bangkok...

All best to yez...

316 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:15:08am

Catch you later, RealWest... my foot's sayn "Go to BED, Mo-ron!' and I'm gonna listen to it! :D

317 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:15:26am

Things sure are quiet around here since the departure of Babbazee & Storage

318 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:15:34am

re: #313 akak

15 days?

How many days does the Olympics last?

319 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:16:21am

re: #318 Nevergiveup

Some kinda sleight-of-hand, you suspect? Attention distracted, "war ON!"...?

320 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:17:40am

{realwest}

Busy day ahead, but I'm doing fine!

321 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:18:21am

re: #312 Nevergiveup

Well your certainly not gonna let a little Russian invasion of a neighboring country with 1500 dead ruin your summer vacation? Can you imagine the world's reaction if just 15 Palestinians were killed trying to murder innocent Jews?

Yep. The MSM just wants us to think it's a slow month. If they're not there to record events, those events didn't really matter.

322 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #319 Karridine

Some kinda sleight-of-hand, you suspect? Attention distracted, "war ON!"...?

There is pretty much NO coverage of Russia's aggression other then a passing story or 2. On the other hand I am watching woman's soccer live: Brazil vs. North Korea?

323 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:19:00am

re: #318 Nevergiveup

How many days does the Olympics last?

now that's a conspiracy theory!

so a base used by Nato was bombed there?
Vaziani

324 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:19:33am

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

325 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:20:24am

re: #324 realwest

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

I'm so sorry to hear this.

326 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:20:30am

USA women are stompting the snot out of the Czech women in basketball.

327 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:01am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

There is pretty much NO coverage of Russia's aggression other then a passing story or 2. On the other hand I am watching woman's soccer live: Brazil vs. North Korea?

[Link: www.stratfor.com...]

328 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:42am

re: #323 akak

now that's a conspiracy theory!

so a base used by Nato was bombed there?
Vaziani

Apparently the Georgian Army has been trained ( and supplied? ) by America and Israel. This should be interesting.

329 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:46am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

There is pretty much NO coverage of Russia's aggression other then a passing story or 2. On the other hand I am watching woman's soccer live: Brazil vs. North Korea?

It's not as if Putin invited Wolf Blitzer to embed.

330 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:57am

re: #326 MandyManners

USA women are stompting the snot out of the Czech women in basketball.

Channel?

331 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:22:05am

I really do feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards, even though she's doing her best to still defend Johnny. She released a statement on the situation and notes the pain and suffering resulting from Johnny's actions. She also notes that the pain and suffering is amplified by the reporters and helicopters chasing the story now. So, it's now the media's fault because they are going after the story.

Meanwhile, Johnny's timeline still suffers because if he admits to paternity of Rielle's baby it would mean that he was boinking Rielle just weeks after Liz learned her cancer returned. That's the only reason that he would not admit to paternity. To do so would make him the most reviled man in the nation - even among the lefties who still somehow manage to adore him and his silky hair.

332 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:22:37am

re: #319 Karridine
Good evening my friend - yeah, FoxNews had nothing at all on this morning except the story of the two Americans and their interpreter being attacked by a man with a knife, who killed the American man and severely wounded the woman and interpreter before the attacker killed himself.
Then they went to the Cailly(sp) story and John Edwards.
NOTHING about Russia and Georgia.
Goodnight my friend.

333 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:23:47am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

Brazil vs NorK? I didn't think NorK had enough fish-heads and dead rats to feed a football team!

And for the record, I've been hearing national Thai radio stations broadcasting Ossetia-Russia updates for the last 5 hours, and heard about it this morning on Thai radio, Never...

/don't respond, I gotta sleep :D

334 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:23:49am

re: #325 goddessoftheclassroom Good morning {goddess} yes it is such sad news this morning. I've sent up prayers for Ringo's sister and of course for Ringo and his family.

335 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:25:09am

Fox just mentioned Bernie Mac died. When last seen, he was being thrown under Obama's bus.

336 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:26:56am

re: #324 realwest

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

Whoa. That's terrible news. Please pass along my condolences if you're in touch with him.

337 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:27:29am

re: #335 JammieWearingFoolGood morning Jammie - sorry to be so stupid but I'm still on first cuppa - who is Bernie Mac?!

338 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:28:45am

re: #336 JammieWearingFool I would Jammie but I'm not - saw the sad news on BZ's blog this AM - lead story. I gather that folks are leaving their condolences and sypathies in the comments section there.

339 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:29:02am

re: #337 realwest

Good morning Jammie - sorry to be so stupid but I'm still on first cuppa - who is Bernie Mac?!

A comedian and actor.

Go here for related stories. Had obviously been ill recently, but I had no idea it was something life-threatening.

340 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:29:30am

re: #338 realwest
PIMF sympathies.

341 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:29:45am

"Second separatist Abkhazia province joins Russian-Georgian South Ossetia war"

Seems Russia has been planning this for a while. And all the while, Putin is in Peking chowing down with Bush?

342 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:30:19am

re: #335 JammieWearingFool

Jeez. That's sad stuff. He had been suffering from pneumonia after having a serious illness earlier this year. Wasn't a big fan of Bernie Mac show, but he did a decent turn in the Oceans series.

343 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:31:23am

re: #334 realwest

Pass along my condolences as well. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

344 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:31:38am

re: #330 Nevergiveup

Channel?

USA.

345 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:32:12am

re: #344 MandyManners

USA.

It was on Debka.com---for some reason having trouble linking it.

346 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:33:14am

re: #335 JammieWearingFool
ugh, sorry to hear that, peace to his family.

347 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:34:07am

re: #342 lawhawk

Jeez. That's sad stuff. He had been suffering from pneumonia after having a serious illness earlier this year. Wasn't a big fan of Bernie Mac show, but he did a decent turn in the Oceans series.

He did some funny standup.

Thanks for the link. I put it in the spinoffs.

BBL.

348 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:34:25am

Edwards said his affair was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you accidentally do something.

349 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:35:50am

re: #344 MandyManners

USA.

Opps- thanks- ignore last responce

350 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:36:22am

Johnny. Bus crash in Texas. Cops killing mayor's dogs. Clark Rockefller's real name. Prostrate cancer treatment. Bernie Mac.

Not a word about Georgia.

351 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:36:57am

re: #339 JammieWearingFool Thanks Jammie - I have to confess to never having heard of him (though I don't get out much these days) but his death was apparently unrelated to his Sarcoidosis. He was just 50 years old. Why did you say he was last seen being thrown under Obama's bus? Oh and btw, to save all y'all from searching:

"Sarcoidosis is an immune system disorder that can make it hard to breathe, inflame lymph nodes in the neck and the chest, and cause bumps and ulcers to break out on people’s skin.

Most cases are mild, but those that are severe can cause serious scarring in the lungs, a complication that occurs in 20 to 25 percent of patients.

It’s not clear what causes sarcoidosis, though experts believe environmental contaminants can help trigger a genetic susceptibility.

Research studies have found an association between this condition and irritants such as tree pollen, insecticides and moldy environments, the New England Journal of Medicine reported in an overview published last November.

Sarcoidosis is “probably the end result of immune responses to various ubiquitous environmental triggers,” the overview stated."

352 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:37:13am

re: #341 Nevergiveup

"Second separatist Abkhazia province joins Russian-Georgian South Ossetia war"

Seems Russia has been planning this for a while. And all the while, Putin is in Peking chowing down with Bush?

The whole conflict has been going on for quite some time.

353 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:37:20am

mandy, i think i was most offended by his." but i didn't love her". i thought what if this baby is his, and there it is for child to see in future. of course i was also offended for his family and other children.

354 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:37:28am

re: #350 MandyManners

Johnny. Bus crash in Texas. Cops killing mayor's dogs. Clark Rockefller's real name. Prostrate cancer treatment. Bernie Mac.

Not a word about Georgia.

Georgia?

355 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:38:49am

Will soft socialist Europe help defend Georgia?
I doubt it.

[Link: www.transatlanticpolitics.com...]

356 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:38:54am

re: #354 Nevergiveup
excellant song, one of my favorites

357 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:38:56am

re: #341 Nevergiveup
Good morning - do you have a link for that? And is
Abkhazia province joining with Russia or Georgia?

358 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:40:30am

re: #341 Nevergiveup

"Second separatist Abkhazia province joins Russian-Georgian South Ossetia war"

Seems Russia has been planning this for a while. And all the while, Putin is in Peking chowing down with Bush?

Going back just a week.

SUKHUMI, Georgia (Reuters) - The last of 400 Russian soldiers sent by Moscow to repair a railway in Georgia's rebel region of Abkhazia began to pull out on Wednesday, ending a deployment which angered Tbilisi and its Western allies.

Loudspeakers played music from a brass band and children handed out flowers and Abkhazian flags to Russian soldiers at the opening ceremony of the 54 km (33 mile) railway line.

SNIP

359 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:41:19am

re: #353 willowone

mandy, i think i was most offended by his." but i didn't love her". i thought what if this baby is his, and there it is for child to see in future. of course i was also offended for his family and other children.

He didn't love her? Well, I guess that makes it okay in his enfeebled brain.

360 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:41:51am

re: #355 FrogMarch

Will soft socialist Europe help defend Georgia?
I doubt it.

[Link: www.transatlanticpolitics.com...]

Gazprom will decide.

361 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #353 willowone

mandy, i think i was most offended by his." but i didn't love her". i thought what if this baby is his, and there it is for child to see in future. of course i was also offended for his family and other children.

I think I could actually respect someone who faced the camera and said, "I allowed my baser nature to trump my commitments, and I'm truly sorry for all whom I've hurt. I am now taking responsibility for those affected by my lapse and I am endeavoring to be worthy of my family's forgiveness. I will not discuss this matter any further."

Of course to pull this off, the guy has to say this from the get-go.

362 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:42:55am

re: #354 Nevergiveup

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Georgia?

Good one.

363 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:43:16am

re: #359 MandyManners right.

364 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:43:38am

re: #324 realwest

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that!

365 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:43:48am

re: #348 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy - I'm sure to Edwards it was a mistake............getting caught. He's an immoral or amoral man who deserted his wife in her time of most desperate need and to the extent the MSM DOESN'T report it that way, that just makes the MSM even more complicit in the cover up - how the hell did the National Enquirer............The National Enquirer manage to get and break this story while the entire rest of the MSM ignored it?!

366 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:45:36am

Good Morning Lizards!

367 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:46:00am

re: #355 FrogMarch

Will soft socialist Europe help defend Georgia?
I doubt it.

[Link: www.transatlanticpolitics.com...]

The Georgian Foreign Ministry reported that Russian aircrafts have completely destroyed the harbor of Poti, in the immediate vecinity of Supsa, a vital oil terminal.

Supsa is vital for Europe, especially since the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline (the only alternative route to the Russian oil and gas pipelines) has been disrupted on August 6 in Turkey by the Kurdish militia PKK. Since then, oil transports have been rerouted from Tbilisi to Supsa.

SNIP

Too much coincidence for me.

368 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:46:29am

re: #365 realwest

You want a kicker - the LAT sent an intern to report on the story.

369 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:46:55am

re: #361 goddessoftheclassroom
i agree. the more he says , the more he indicates his carelessness with others

370 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:47:06am

re: #360 akak

Gazprom will decide.

Gazprom?

The Georgian Foreign Ministry reported that Russian aircrafts have completely destroyed the harbor of Poti, in the immediate vecinity of Supsa, a vital oil terminal.

While Europe slept. and while Putin vacationed.

371 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:47:15am

re: #365 realwest

Good morning Mandy - I'm sure to Edwards it was a mistake............getting caught. He's an immoral or amoral man who deserted his wife in her time of most desperate need and to the extent the MSM DOESN'T report it that way, that just makes the MSM even more complicit in the cover up - how the hell did the National Enquirer............The National Enquirer manage to get and break this story while the entire rest of the MSM ignored it?!

The National Enquirer doesn't give a shit about looking good for the other media.

372 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:47:37am

re: #350 MandyManners
Yeah and the prostate cancer news is simply a different delivery system of hormone medication which has been around for a decade or more (and is, in fact what I'm on).

373 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:48:23am

Georgia Times English language news. Slow loading.

374 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:48:47am

re: #367 MandyManners

The Georgian Foreign Ministry reported that Russian aircrafts have completely destroyed the harbor of Poti, in the immediate vecinity of Supsa, a vital oil terminal.

Supsa is vital for Europe, especially since the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline (the only alternative route to the Russian oil and gas pipelines) has been disrupted on August 6 in Turkey by the Kurdish militia PKK. Since then, oil transports have been rerouted from Tbilisi to Supsa.

SNIP

Too much coincidence for me.

I wonder how much oil is pouring into the sea?

375 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:48:56am

re: #361 goddessoftheclassroom

I think I could actually respect someone who faced the camera and said, "I allowed my baser nature to trump my commitments, and I'm truly sorry for all whom I've hurt. I am now taking responsibility for those affected by my lapse and I am endeavoring to be worthy of my family's forgiveness. I will not discuss this matter any further."

Of course to pull this off, the guy has to say this from the get-go.

Instead, he claims it was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you grab a box of Wheaties instead of Coco Puffs. Not when you carry on a multi-month affair. That requires multiple lies and all kinds of tactics.

376 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:49:02am

much of the media have become very open about their political leanings, and their cover-ups.

377 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:49:32am

re: #368 lawhawk

You want a kicker - the LAT sent an intern to report on the story.

An INTERN? Good grief. That's despicable.

378 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:50:33am

re: #375 MandyManners

Instead, he claims it was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you grab a box of Wheaties instead of Coco Puffs. Not when you carry on a multi-month affair. That requires multiple lies and all kinds of tactics.

I completely agree! It's even worse when someone uses the passive voice and says, "Mistakes were made."

379 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:50:40am

re: #374 FrogMarch

I wonder how much oil is pouring into the sea?

It doesn't say that the pipe was destroyed in Supsa.

380 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:51:06am

re: #355 FrogMarch I doubt that Europe has the military capacity to help anyone, but they sure as hell ought to help Georgia; a HUGE percentage of Europes Natural Gas and a significant amount of oil, comes through
the port of Poti IN GEORGIA.

381 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:51:35am
382 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:51:46am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

I completely agree! It's even worse when someone uses the passive voice and says, "Mistakes were made."

That's the nadir of weaselness.

383 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:53:08am

re: #368 lawhawk
AN INTERN?! WTF? Oh, wait, was Bubba there? Maybe they thought sending an intern would be a way to get more inside information about this. If Bubba wasn't there, then the LA Times is absolutely a pos and as far as I'm concerned, complicit in covering up the truth about Edwards.

Oh, and btw, good morning lawhawk!

384 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #381 David IV of Georgia

Thanks for those links!

385 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:55:40am

The Dems should be pissed.. what if it was Edwards right now instead of Obama? The party would have imploded..
Not that they don't deserve it..but still....
The DNC should ban him from the convention.

386 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:55:45am

re: #383 realwest

AN INTERN?! WTF? Oh, wait, was Bubba there? Maybe they thought sending an intern would be a way to get more inside information about this. If Bubba wasn't there, then the LA Times is absolutely a pos and as far as I'm concerned, complicit in covering up the truth about Edwards.

Oh, and btw, good morning lawhawk!

Morning! And yes, it was an intern, though not in the Clintonesque sense.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

387 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:56:00am

i'm wondering if Edwards was brought out now, while Obama is on vacation so it will blow over before dem convention.
another thing is the excuses made from left when it's a dem.
and.i've even heard dems now saying he was set-up possibly by Rove. laughing... sheesh

388 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:56:29am

re: #357 realwest

Good morning - do you have a link for that? And is
Abkhazia province joining with Russia or Georgia?

Debka .com

389 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:56:44am

re: #382 MandyManners

That's the ( Ralph) nadir of weaselness.


hehehehe
good morning mandy

390 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:57:22am

re: #381 David IV of Georgia Thank you for the links, but I've gotta tell ya your link in #373 doesn't work for me.

391 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:57:35am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

I completely agree! It's even worse when someone uses the passive voice and says, "Mistakes were made."

That's the sort of thing you say when you're trying to smooth over someone else's indiscretions by making them sound little and innocuous. Not very useful as an admission of guilt or an apology for one's own actions, though. If it were just a little minor mistake, there would be no fuss about it requiring any admission or apology.

392 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:58:00am

re: #375 MandyManners

Instead, he claims it was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you grab a box of Wheaties instead of Coco Puffs. Not when you carry on a multi-month affair. That requires multiple lies and all kinds of tactics.

Indeed! and we all know Democrats are allowed to make mistakes -- As many "mistakes" as they want. Just blame the accuser. It's Ken Star's fault! works every time.

393 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:59:32am

re: #387 willowone

Obama wants this issue to die before the convention - as did the DNC bigwigs. The last thing they needed was another clown circus, even as Hillary and her folks are grumbling that they may take the nomination to a floor fight, even as the leftists are parading and grumbling outside.

It's also funny to hear that Obama is taking a vacation. As president, you don't get vacations. Going to your home or Camp David isn't a vacation since you're still making decisions even there and carrying on policy discussions and other business. However, I suspect the real reason is that getting Obama out of the spotlight for a week or so will help his polling numbers bounce back a bit seeing how the more he says, the worse he does.

394 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:59:37am

re: #392 FrogMarch

Indeed! and we all know Democrats are allowed to make mistakes -- As many "mistakes" as they want. Just blame the accuser. It's Ken Star's fault! works every time.

Apparently she is an ex-drug user. Maybe Edwards was just counseling her and he slipped so to speak?

395 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:00:03am

re: #390 realwest

Thank you for the links, but I've gotta tell ya your link in #373 doesn't work for me.

It took it 5+ minutes to load with 350K/s+ broadband. That's very slow. Many browsers would just assume it isn't loading at the lack of speed.

396 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:00:24am

re: #388 Nevergiveup
Ah, well as usual with Debka, I'd give this at least 24 hours to pan out - of course with OUR MSM, y'all might want to make that 72 hours.
But thank you.

397 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:01am

re: #381 David IV of Georgia

More English news:

[Link: www.messenger.com.ge...]

[Link: www.batuminews.com...]

[Link: www.caspianbusinessnews.com...]

Thank you!

398 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:07am

re: #386 lawhawk

Morning! And yes, it was an intern, though not in the Clintonesque sense.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.


In 2000, Lisa Druck re-emerged in Los Angeles as newly single Rielle Hunter.

Lisa Druck.

399 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:28am

re: #393 lawhawk
agree, he is probably getting heavy lessons in what isn't appropriate for Americans to hear now while he isn't just shmoozing with the left

400 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:51am

Still not much MSM news on Russia's little war in the caucuses, but there is LIVE Equestrian action from Peking! Oh I hope I can contain myself?

401 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:02:08am

in-on *

402 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:24am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom Hey {goddess} as I mentioned above, the only "mistake" was in getting caught - I'm quite certain that's the only mistake Edwards sees in this.
The man has the morals of a ......... well, heck, I can't think of anything low enough to use here without insulting that other thing!
HE IS AN IMMORAL SON OF A BITCH, PERIOD.

403 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:32am

re: #386 lawhawk

Morning! And yes, it was an intern, though not in the Clintonesque sense.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

"I want to see our party lead on the great moral issues that face our country," he continues.

How can he lead in the great moral issues if he cannot maintain his vow to one woman?

404 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:44am

Got up to check on the Olympics being broadcast and saw Men's Beach Volleyball.

Serve - bump - set - spike - point. Repeat.

[yaawwwn]

Bring on the swimming and track & field, already.

405 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:45am

Ok, I am watching a girls sport now. It is like a combination of soccor played with your hands on a basketball court? What the hell is it?

406 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:46am

re: #380 realwest

I doubt that Europe has the military capacity to help anyone, but they sure as hell ought to help Georgia; a HUGE percentage of Europes Natural Gas and a significant amount of oil, comes through
the port of Poti IN GEORGIA.

Europe ought to help. But as you say - do they have the capacity? I doubt they have the capacity or the will.

407 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:04:11am

re: #387 willowone

i'm wondering if Edwards was brought out now, while Obama is on vacation so it will blow over before dem convention.
another thing is the excuses made from left when it's a dem.
and.i've even heard dems now saying he was set-up possibly by Rove. laughing... sheesh

I guarantee you that BHO's vacation had to do with the timing.

408 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:04:51am

re: #395 David IV of Georgia Ah, that's probably it then. Damn. Well thank you for the other links and for at least trying to get this link to us - you've already "reported" more than the US MSM have, all by yourself!

409 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:01am

What's that smell?

/Paris Hilton's dog, after a month in the closet

410 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:01am

re: #400 Nevergiveup i've wondered about that, is it because if Georgia-Russia, threatening to americas an Europes interest , Obama cannot compete with explanations of what He will do> is this possible why he's on vacation? to bone up on world affairs?

411 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:07am

Okay, so the UN does nothing on Russia's war against Georgia. They've done nothing on the Sudan, and their peacekeepers quit patrolling the Ethiopia-Eritrea border.

So, is it any surprise that their IAEA inspectors were turned away by the Syrians after they wanted to investigate Syria's nuclear program. Oh, and Syria wants a seat on the IAEA board. The initial investigation has proven to be inconclusive as to what was present at the site of the September 6 airstrike. No surprise there either.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:28am

re: #394 Nevergiveup

Apparently she is an ex-drug user. Maybe Edwards was just counseling her and he slipped so to speak?

Oh, he slipped something for sure.

413 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:47am

re: #405 Nevergiveup

Ok, I am watching a girls sport now. It is like a combination of soccor played with your hands on a basketball court? What the hell is it?

*Wack*

/ why i never....

414 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:49am

The MSM will undoubtedly switch to informing us of every medal won by Georgian or Russian athletes in the Olympics to show everyone they are on top of this news story. Be sure to watch for a human interest story on a Georgian/Russian athlete who struggled to get into the Olympics despite great setbacks.

415 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:07:32am

re: #413 HoosierHoops

*Wack*

/ why i never....

I am serious. I have no idea what the sport is?

416 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:08:31am

re: #411 lawhawk i have not been able to grasp why we still have UN located here, they speak against Our interests, it gives a forum to the most agregious despots to whine at our expense.

417 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:08:32am

re: #403 MandyManners

Here's how: While I think his career is over because it goes to character and fitness to lead, and you have to wonder whether you can ever trust anything he says, we need politicians to lie and prevaricate. The problem is that the appearance of lying and prevarication tends to turn people off. Just ask Gary Hart.

It's how you lie and prevaricate that does in politicians. Clinton managed to survive his lying, though that may have submarined Hillary's chances.

418 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:08:58am

re: #415 Nevergiveup

Umm . . . Team handball?

/Not near the tube right now to see . . .

419 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:09:12am

and undermine US

420 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:10:07am

re: #418 StinkHammer

Umm . . . Team handball?

/Not near the tube right now to see . . .

They are on a indoor court. Both teams defend a soccer like net. But they throw the ball around?

421 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:11:05am

re: #404 StinkHammer

Got up to check on the Olympics being broadcast and saw Men's Beach Volleyball.

hmmmm better go turn on the tele.

422 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:11:37am

Ralph Peters has the lowdown on Georgia.

423 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:12:04am

re: #406 FrogMarch Well SOME of Europe has the will, but much of their meager military resources is in Afghanistan where some of them are actually fighting (btw, this is true: the Germans refuse to patrol very much at all and absolutely refuse to patrol at night, period. The Taliban sent them an elegantly written thank you note, I'm sure!). The Canadians and Danish forces from NATO and other nations (e.g., Great Britain) are indeed fighting the Taliban with great vigor and effectiveness.

424 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:12:47am

re: #420 Nevergiveup

Could be team handball, then. I played it waaaay back in Junior High days of yore.

Don't know if it's an Olympic sport, though -- so I'm just guessing.

425 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:12:50am

re: #420 Nevergiveup

Are they rolling the ball?

There's a sport called goalball, created for the visually-impaired, that features a ball with a bell in it and blindfolded players. One of my students plays it.

426 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:13:30am

re: #415 Nevergiveup

I am serious. I have no idea what the sport is?

/Team Handball

427 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:14:46am

re: #423 realwest

Well SOME of Europe has the will, but much of their meager military resources is in Afghanistan where some of them are actually fighting (btw, this is true: the Germans refuse to patrol very much at all and absolutely refuse to patrol at night, period. The Taliban sent them an elegantly written thank you note, I'm sure!). The Canadians and Danish forces from NATO and other nations (e.g., Great Britain) are indeed fighting the Taliban with great vigor and effectiveness.

Well what ever will exists, the problem is the means just ain't there. Europe has abdicated it's security to the US long ago. I am not even looking for a thank-you. Just get out of the way and at least verbally support us!

428 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:15:25am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

Ah, my instincts prove correct.

It's actually a blast to play. (I was primarily a goalie.)

429 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:15:55am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

/Team Handball

That's it. And for this shit, their getting rid of baseball?

430 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:16:24am

re: #422 JammieWearingFool Excellent Jammie- thank you!
Geez it's times like these that I REALLY miss my hometown!

431 Dustyvet  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:17:31am

Billboards: "Sharia law is hate"
It is good to see someone turning the Islamic supremacists' charge that opposing them is "hatred" back on them, and exposing the real haters. "Billboards announce: 'Sharia law is hate,'" by Drew Zahn for WorldNetDaily, August 8:

An organization in Florida plans to educate what it perceives as an increasingly culture-tolerant public about the horrific dictates of Islamic law by purchasing billboard space with a simple, but confrontational message: "Sharia law is hate."
The Central Florida chapter of the United American Committee, a nonprofit group that seeks to educate Americans on the threat of Islamic extremism, is raising money to purchase a six-month contract to display the billboard, which the group hopes will awaken the public to discussing the full extent of Islamic law.

"The UAC's goal in this project is to raise awareness because most people have no idea what Sharia law is," Alan Kornman, director of UAC's Central Florida branch, told WND. "We are confident people will see the billboard and learn on their own what Sharia law is and come to their own conclusions. At the very least, we hope our billboard will spark public debate on this overlooked issue."

The billboards will also include a link to UAC resources where people can learn more about Islam's Sharia law, a set of religious codes – both moral and legal; Sharia law recognizes no separation of church and state – that bind both Muslims and Islamic nations.

"Under Sharia law if you are accused of stealing, a hand and foot from opposite sides are amputated. If you are caught having an affair, the woman is stoned to death and the man is given 80 lashes. If you change religions, you can be charged under apostasy laws and given the death sentence by a legal Sharia court. If you want to marry a nine-year-old child, Sharia law condones pedophilia, because Mohammad married Aisha at six and consummated the marriage at age nine. I find these and many more practices of Sharia law despicable and hateful," said Kornman.


[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

432 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:18:54am

re: #428 StinkHammer
No disrespect intended, but it sorta looks like (see Killian's link at #426 as if it's some unusual mixture of basketball, soccer, ice hockey and handball.
When did this become an Olympic Sport?!

433 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:19:11am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

MLB doesn't want to disrupt its season.

434 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:19:12am

re: #417 lawhawk

Here's how: While I think his career is over because it goes to character and fitness to lead, and you have to wonder whether you can ever trust anything he says, we need politicians to lie and prevaricate. The problem is that the appearance of lying and prevarication tends to turn people off. Just ask Gary Hart.

It's how you lie and prevaricate that does in politicians. Clinton managed to survive his lying, though that may have submarined Hillary's chances.

Admitting one’s mistakes is a hard thing for anyone to do, and I am proud of the courage John showed by his honesty in the face of shame.

That renders me utterly speechless.

435 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:19:36am

re: #432 realwest

No disrespect intended, but it sorta looks like (see Killian's link at #426 as if it's some unusual mixture of basketball, soccer, ice hockey and handball.
When did this become an Olympic Sport?!

Probably when the Chinese got good at it.

436 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:22:01am

re: #431 Dustyvet

Billboards: "Sharia law is hate"
It is good to see someone turning the Islamic supremacists' charge that opposing them is "hatred" back on them, and exposing the real haters. "Billboards announce: 'Sharia law is hate,'" by Drew Zahn for WorldNetDaily, August 8:

An organization in Florida plans to educate what it perceives as an increasingly culture-tolerant public about the horrific dictates of Islamic law by purchasing billboard space with a simple, but confrontational message: "Sharia law is hate."
The Central Florida chapter of the United American Committee, a nonprofit group that seeks to educate Americans on the threat of Islamic extremism, is raising money to purchase a six-month contract to display the billboard, which the group hopes will awaken the public to discussing the full extent of Islamic law.

"The UAC's goal in this project is to raise awareness because most people have no idea what Sharia law is," Alan Kornman, director of UAC's Central Florida branch, told WND. "We are confident people will see the billboard and learn on their own what Sharia law is and come to their own conclusions. At the very least, we hope our billboard will spark public debate on this overlooked issue."

The billboards will also include a link to UAC resources where people can learn more about Islam's Sharia law, a set of religious codes – both moral and legal; Sharia law recognizes no separation of church and state – that bind both Muslims and Islamic nations.

"Under Sharia law if you are accused of stealing, a hand and foot from opposite sides are amputated. If you are caught having an affair, the woman is stoned to death and the man is given 80 lashes. If you change religions, you can be charged under apostasy laws and given the death sentence by a legal Sharia court. If you want to marry a nine-year-old child, Sharia law condones pedophilia, because Mohammad married Aisha at six and consummated the marriage at age nine. I find these and many more practices of Sharia law despicable and hateful," said Kornman.


[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

C.A.I.R. is gonna' have a hissy fit.

437 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:22:30am

re: #434 MandyManners

As much as this is a statement about Edward's character or lack there of, what this says about the MSM is just as damning! The NYT was happy to try and slime McCain with much lies and innuendo, but they ALL totally ignored this story for a year!

438 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:23:12am

re: #434 MandyManners
Somehow Mandy I think you'll get your "speech" back! At least I hope so - I just can't believe how the MSM is letting this pitiful example of a "Man" get a pass on this.
CRAP - he had an affair (which, in and of itself isn't all that unusual these days, I'm afraid) while running for political office and - most importantly, while his wife has stage IV cancer and HE HAS COURAGE to face up to being CAUGHT?!
NO, NO, NO!

439 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:23:24am

re: #432 realwest

No disrespect taken -- I don't follow the sport, just took a guess that it was the one being played (having played it in school once-upon-a-time).

In truth, I didn't realize it was actually a professional sport, let alone an Olympic event.

440 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:24:39am

re: #437 Nevergiveup
Yep and as far as I know they are giving him a pass on it, too!

441 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:24:40am

re: #437 Nevergiveup

As much as this is a statement about Edward's character or lack there of, what this says about the MSM is just as damning! The NYT was happy to try and slime McCain with much lies and innuendo, but they ALL totally ignored this story for a year!

That is precisely the point!

I've also seen an article raking up the story of McCain's first marriage, divorce, and remarriage. While the facts are unpleasant, he faced the music and took responsibility. The fact that his first wife speaks well of him after all these years is significant.

442 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:25:01am

re: #437 Nevergiveup

As much as this is a statement about Edward's character or lack there of, what this says about the MSM is just as damning! The NYT was happy to try and slime McCain with much lies and innuendo, but they ALL totally ignored this story for a year!

The MSM and Edwards deserve each other.

443 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:25:18am

re: #439 StinkHammer

No disrespect taken -- I don't follow the sport, just took a guess that it was the one being played (having played it in school once-upon-a-time).

In truth, I didn't realize it was actually a professional sport, let alone an Olympic event.

Why, don't think it is right up there athletically with synchronized swimming?

444 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:25:18am

re: #432 realwest

When did this become an Olympic Sport?!

Men's field handball was played at the 1936 Summer Olympics in Berlin at the special request of Adolf Hitler.

/returned in 1972 (Men), 1976 (Women), as Team Handball

445 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:26:22am

re: #436 MandyManners

C.A.I.R. is gonna' have a hissy fit.

I doubt the billboards will be allowed to stay—someone will whine to the right (or wrong) judge. Hopefully there will be a big detailed news story about United American Committee's "hate" that actually advertises the message better than the billboards would have.

446 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:26:57am

re: #422 JammieWearingFool

Ralph Peters has the lowdown on Georgia.

Thanks Jammie.
One of many money quotes:

Russia's greatest strength today is that it doesn't care about world opinion.

447 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:27:33am

re: #441 goddessoftheclassroom

The leftists are trying to equate what Edwards has done with what McCain supposedly did years ago. And the Times ran poorly sourced innuendo on the front page and ignored the Edwards story. It's all about the agenda.

448 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:27:33am

re: #442 MandyManners

The MSM and Edwards deserve each other.

True, but we, the American people, don't deserve either!

449 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:28:02am

re: #438 realwest

Somehow Mandy I think you'll get your "speech" back! At least I hope so - I just can't believe how the MSM is letting this pitiful example of a "Man" get a pass on this.
CRAP - he had an affair (which, in and of itself isn't all that unusual these days, I'm afraid) while running for political office and - most importantly, while his wife has stage IV cancer and HE HAS COURAGE to face up to being CAUGHT?!
NO, NO, NO!

I have no idea what it's like for Elizabeth Edwards to go through treatment so I cannot give an opinion on her rolling over and accepting this shit sandwich from him.

If the baby is his, what about the parenting plan? If he gets parenting time, where will he spend it? In his home?

450 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:28:30am

If this is courage, then criminals that calmly listen as the jury pronounces them guilt are paragons of virtue.

451 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:29:11am

re: #449 MandyManners

Here's what Elizabeth had to say - she posted her response on Daily Kos.

452 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:29:11am

re: #443 Nevergiveup

Well, in reality it is pretty athletic. Combination of soccer and basketball skills. Requires quite a bit of endurance.

453 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:29:29am

re: #445 David IV of Georgia

I doubt the billboards will be allowed to stay—someone will whine to the right (or wrong) judge. Hopefully there will be a big detailed news story about United American Committee's "hate" that actually advertises the message better than the billboards would have.

No court in the land will order their removal without a huge stinking reaction. The First Amendment clearly protects this speech.

454 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:30:15am

re: #448 goddessoftheclassroom

True, but we, the American people, don't deserve either!

That's why the Internet is super-duper important.

455 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:30:55am

re: #449 MandyManners

I'd cut Elizabeth Edwards a big break on this one. She is probably dying and has to think about the future of her children. Harming their relationship with their father when he will be the only remaining parent is not in her best interests. But certainly John Edwards should rot in hell for all eternity for his actions!

456 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:31:23am

re: #453 MandyManners

No court in the land will order their removal without a huge stinking reaction. The First Amendment clearly protects this speech.

I'm assuming that a judge can be found that will claim that this is hateful and unprotected speech. Am I cynical to think there are judges that spit on the Constitution when it suits them?

457 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:31:34am

re: #452 StinkHammer

Well, in reality it is pretty athletic. Combination of soccer and basketball skills. Requires quite a bit of endurance.

I was kinda taking a dig at synchronized swim actually.

458 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:31:37am

re: #451 lawhawk

Here's what Elizabeth had to say - she posted her response on Daily Kos.

This was our private matter, and I frankly wanted it to be private because as painful as it was I did not want to have to play it out on a public stage as well.

I don't think she understands the public nature of a politician's life.

459 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:32:24am

re: #455 Nevergiveup

I'd cut Elizabeth Edwards a big break on this one. She is probably dying and has to think about the future of her children. Harming their relationship with their father when he will be the only remaining parent is not in her best interests. But certainly John Edwards should rot in hell for all eternity for his actions!

Her kids' future is the only reason I can think of to try to get past this.

460 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:32:31am

re: #449 MandyManners
No, I'm not gonna say anything about Elizabeth Edwards. I just can't go there at all.

As for the parenting, well Edwards "home" so HUGE that he could have visitation rights and no one in his home would notice unless they searched it.

BTW, don't the Edwards' already have children?
Wonder what they think of "dad" now?

461 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:32:35am

CNN Header:

At least 2,000 people have died in Tskhinvali in South Ossetia, and the Georgian city has been destroyed, a Russian ambassador tells Interfax.


Russians are going apeshit over this.

462 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:32:35am

re: #458 MandyManners

This was our private matter, and I frankly wanted it to be private because as painful as it was I did not want to have to play it out on a public stage as well.

I don't think she understands the public nature of a politician's life.

The fact that she posted it at Daily Kos is also suggestive.

463 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:34:01am

re: #455 Nevergiveup
Excellent and spot on comment.

464 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:34:02am

re: #456 David IV of Georgia

I'm assuming that a judge can be found that will claim that this is hateful and unprotected speech. Am I cynical to think there are judges that spit on the Constitution when it suits them?

No, you're not cynical.

No where in the First Amendment does it say that hateful speech is unprotected speech. IIRC from J-school, the colonial and early American press was vile against its opponents.

465 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:34:34am

re: #464 MandyManners

No, you're not cynical.

No where in the First Amendment does it say that hateful speech is unprotected speech. IIRC from J-school, the colonial and early American press was vile against its opponents so that the writers of the Constitution would've addressed it if they were against it.

466 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:37:02am

re: #460 realwest

No, I'm not gonna say anything about Elizabeth Edwards. I just can't go there at all.

As for the parenting, well Edwards "home" so HUGE that he could have visitation rights and no one in his home would notice unless they searched it.

BTW, don't the Edwards' already have children?
Wonder what they think of "dad" now?

I think they have three kids.

As far as the size of the house, Elizabeth will know if the baby is there. It's impossible to ignore.

467 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:37:12am

"Chinese rights activist Zeng Jinyan disappears"

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Looks like China's going for the Gold in Olympic jailing!

468 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:37:51am

re: #466 MandyManners

I think they have three kids.

As far as the size of the house, Elizabeth will know if the baby is there. It's impossible to ignore.

It's over 28,000 sq. feet. [Link: carolinajournal.com...]

A few weeks ago I considered deleting my Edwards' links. Something told me not to do so.

469 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:37:54am

re: #462 goddessoftheclassroom
yes, she's taking one for the team.

470 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:39:30am

re: #461 Killgore Trout
Indeed they are. I truly wish we could get SOME kind of serious statement from the POTUS telling Russia to lay off Georgia and the US military at least be seen to be readying to aid Georgia.
And btw, - I know you had nothing to do with it Killgore! - but I'm sick to death of those effin Obitz and Netflix popups. They are extremely annoying!

471 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:40:14am

re: #461 Killgore Trout

CNN Header:


Russians are going apeshit over this.

Separatist-backed South Ossetian sources reported that about 1,600 people have died and 90 have been wounded in provincial capital Tskhinvali since Russian forces entered the territory Thursday.

Russia's Interfax news agency said the death toll was at least 2,000 killed in the capital of South Ossetia and claimed the city has been destroyed.

Georgia said the overall death toll would be closer to 100.
***********

Why the huge gap? To garner sympathy for the Ossetians?

472 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:40:55am

re: #462 goddessoftheclassroom

The fact that she posted it at Daily Kos is also suggestive.

Why did she? I'm scratching my head over that one.

473 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:40:56am

is it everyones opinion we will get involved in russia-georgia ?

474 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:41:20am

re: #472 MandyManners
mandy i read somewhere she had been a regular blogger at Kos

475 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:42:16am

re: #470 realwest

Indeed they are. I truly wish we could get SOME kind of serious statement from the POTUS telling Russia to lay off Georgia and the US military at least be seen to be readying to aid Georgia.
And btw, - I know you had nothing to do with it Killgore! - but I'm sick to death of those effin Obitz and Netflix popups. They are extremely annoying!

I bet they've had at least one meeting about it in Beijing.

476 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:42:30am

re: #473 willowone

is it everyones opinion we will get involved in russia-georgia ?

US Forces training Georgians already.

477 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:43:15am

re: #473 willowone

is it everyones opinion we will get involved in russia-georgia ?

I hope not. Putin's clearly spoiling for a fight.

OTOH, maybe we should.

I try not to ponder too much on it 'cause the implications could be scary.

478 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:43:58am

re: #474 willowone

mandy i read somewhere she had been a regular blogger at Kos

I'm trying to keep her being a victim of his activities seperate from her being a moonbat.

479 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:43:59am

re: #473 willowone

is it everyones opinion we will get involved in russia-georgia ?

I doubt we will get directly involved. We may give material support but not directly. There may be some indirect Israeli support I suspect also.

480 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:43:59am

re: #477 MandyManners i hear ya, i've become a basketcase of nerves lately with world events.

481 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:44:32am

re: #470 realwest


I know you had nothing to do with it Killgore! - but I'm sick to death of those effin Obitz and Netflix popups.


Yeah, in your settings somewhere there's an option to block pop ups.

482 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:44:33am

re: #472 MandyManners

Why did she? I'm scratching my head over that one.

Maybe because blog posting allows instant posting of exactly the statement you want to make (i.e., no possibility of being edited in a way you don't like) without having to talk to anyone in the press.

483 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:44:44am

BBL--lots to do. Take care, dear Lizards!

484 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:45:19am
Similarly, McCain uses his radio address – which has no official status, but is distributed by the campaign in English and Spanish sound files – to try to preempt gushing coverage of Obama’s convention acceptance speech, which is to be delivered before a crowd of 70,000 at a Denver stadium.

“As you may know, the Democratic National Convention is just a couple of weeks away,” McCain begins. “It was four years ago, at the same gathering, that America heard a fine speech from an Illinois state senator named Barack Obama. He's done pretty well for himself since then. And the smart money in Denver is on another celebrated performance.

“But even the most stirring speeches are easily forgotten when they're short on content. Taking in my opponent's performances is a little like watching a big summer blockbuster, and an hour in, realizing that all the best scenes were in the trailer you saw last fall. In the way of running mates, Senator Obama should consider someone with a knack for brevity and directness, to balance the ticket.

“In the meantime, let me take a stab at a plot summary of the Obama campaign: America is finally winning in Iraq, and he wants to forfeit. Government is too big, and he wants to grow it. Taxes are too high, and he wants to raise them. Congress spends too much, and he proposes more. We need more energy, and he's against producing it.”

485 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:45:23am

re: #478 MandyManners -
seperate from her being a moonbat.
- i think thast's the right thing to do. and i don't want to kick her while she isn't able to defend herself.

486 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:45:31am

re: #473 willowone

is it everyones opinion we will get involved in russia-georgia ?

We have pretty much avoided Russian violence aganst the old Soviet spin-offs, ... until now. And right now, we're not in the mood.

Maybe Obama can go over there and mediate.

487 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:45:34am

re: #446 FrogMarch

One of many money quotes: Russia's greatest strength today is that it doesn't care about world opinion.

Ironically enough, neither do I.

488 nyc redneck  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:45:39am

good morning folks,
i'm just fixing to head out to meet some local and visiting lizards for brunch,
finally i'll experience a group of people around a table where i can say what i want. lol
how's everybody doing.

489 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:45:54am

re: #471 MandyManners

I don't know. To be honest I don't understand what's going on.

490 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:46:11am

Saakashvili is a cutie.

[Link: images-partners-tbn.google.com...]

491 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:46:21am

re: #471 MandyManners
Don't know why there is a huge gap, but I do know that Georgia was mostly a democracy - a real one and it may be that they are holding down the news accounts of the actual number of deaths to throw the Russians off.
IIRC, the US has assisted Georgia in it's attempts at freedom and we HAD a brigade or so of US troops in Georgia within the last year or so, training the Georgian troops - at Georgia's request.
Russia is, quite simply, trying to stamp out a democratic, independent nation, because it really wants to go back to being the USSR.
And I also think, fwiw, that the United States OUGHT to get involved, at least to the point of warning Russia of the consequences of it's actions (e.g., losing it's most favored nation trade status, blocking Russsian imports, etc).

492 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:46:41am

re: #483 goddessoftheclassroom

BBL--lots to do. Take care, dear Lizards!

Later, sweet tater!

493 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:47:06am

re: #486 itellu3times
i imagine he's on "vacation" while they try to teach him world events and what to say, this is an example of no reaction at all from their side. and why i think news isnt playing it up much, giving him time..

494 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:47:30am

re: #482 JustMyView

Maybe because blog posting allows instant posting of exactly the statement you want to make (i.e., no possibility of being edited in a way you don't like) without having to talk to anyone in the press.

I can understand that. Goodness knows she doesn't need a buncha' fucking MSM morons in her face.

495 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:47:47am

re: #493 willowone

i imagine he's on "vacation" while they try to teach him world events and what to say, this is an example of no reaction at all from their side. and why i think news isnt playing it up much, giving him time..

Called "cramming."

496 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:48:15am

BBIAM!

497 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:48:17am

re: #485 willowone

-
seperate from her being a moonbat.
- i think thast's the right thing to do. and i don't want to kick her while she isn't able to defend herself.

Isn't our reaction vastly different from how the moonbats acted over Tony Snow's death?

498 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:49:06am

re: #489 Killgore Trout

I don't know. To be honest I don't understand what's going on.

I wish we had a Lizard over there. I wonder what baconeatingkafir's hearing.

499 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:49:09am

re: #495 DistantThunder
tis, i wonder if he's up to the task, from what i've seen,... about as much as i am. not very promising or giving me comfort

500 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:50:06am

re: #497 MandyManners

Isn't our reaction vastly different from how the moonbats acted over Tony Snow's death?

We have toilets for our urine...they have graves for theirs.

Stay classy Libs!

501 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:50:20am

re: #455 Nevergiveup

I'd cut Elizabeth Edwards a big break on this one. She is probably dying and has to think about the future of her children. Harming their relationship with their father when he will be the only remaining parent is not in her best interests. But certainly John Edwards should rot in hell for all eternity for his actions!

While I feel sorry for Mrs. Edwards, she sure could be belligerent towards us little people in her Kos Kid posts.

She should feel lucky we on the right are sympathetic, unlike her cohorts on the left.

502 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:51:01am

re: #497 MandyManners
i believe we still have a soul left, and while we may Hate or deplore anothers politics and often harmful, ideas, i believe we can remain compassionate when "They" are less then able.

503 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:51:32am

A link I got using UTexas' map colletions. Seems to have some good stuff.

[Link: www.aboutgeorgia.net...]

504 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:51:34am

re: #498 MandyManners

I'm sure somebody over there is liveblogging what's going on. May I'll try to find some Georgian blogs later this afternoon.

505 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:52:49am

Some good maps.

[Link: www.aboutgeorgia.net...]

506 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:52:54am

re: #497 MandyManners having said that, there are a few i would kick and spit on , but never in front of their loved ones : }

507 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:55:28am

re: #504 Killgore Trout

I'm sure somebody over there is liveblogging what's going on. May I'll try to find some Georgian blogs later this afternoon.

There is a link to Georgian communities in my No. 503.

508 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:56:20am

Ah rats - sorry all y'all but I gotta go now - last word from me about Russia-Georgia is that I think it's in our STRATEGIC interests to do whatever we can (short of nuclear war) to stop Russia's invasion of Geogia. And please let's remember that Russia, using conventional military forces only, is really and truly a second rate military power; technology is ok, but they lack the skilled technicians, pilots and weaponry to actually fight a first rate military power (like the U.S., whose Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are all: combat vetereans, have the latest and greatest weaponry, get paid on time, have good food and the best health care - none of which can be said about Russia's military).
Anyway, I gotta go - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

510 Shay4l  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:58:06am

re: #278 Luigi

Tigerhawk covers the Russian invasion of Georgia/South Ossetia, making a number of salient points, not the least of which is about our credibility in aiding our allies. (Georgia has 2000 troops in Iraq.)

Tigerhawk also points out that the invasion may serve the Russians as a rear guard action against a Western attack on their important ally Iran. My opinion here, but I've always believed that Iran is supposed to nuke us for the Russians since their religious practices compel them to take the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction as an incentive.

[Link: tigerhawk.blogspot.com...]

Here is a CNN story that constantly refers to the Russian invasion as an effort to restore peace. Since it's a leftist action against American interests, Orwell is automatically put in charge of the truth at CNN and the Kremlin.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

War is peace.

Have a nice day.

I knew the lefty media knees would jerk in support of Russia.

511 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:58:52am
512 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:59:07am

re: #500 Oh no...Sand People!

We have toilets for our urine...they have graves for theirs.

Stay classy Libs!

The only class they know about is socio-economic.

513 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:00:06am

re: #502 willowone

i believe we still have a soul left, and while we may Hate or deplore anothers politics and often harmful, ideas, i believe we can remain compassionate when "They" are less then able.

Ain't it funny how the MSM paints conservatives as the hateful ones?

514 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:00:27am
515 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:00:30am

re: #512 MandyManners

Gotta keep a slave class alive somehow...or they lose a 'victim' to exploit.

516 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:00:45am

re: #508 realwest

Ah rats - sorry all y'all but I gotta go now - last word from me about Russia-Georgia is that I think it's in our STRATEGIC interests to do whatever we can (short of nuclear war) to stop Russia's invasion of Geogia. And please let's remember that Russia, using conventional military forces only, is really and truly a second rate military power; technology is ok, but they lack the skilled technicians, pilots and weaponry to actually fight a first rate military power (like the U.S., whose Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are all: combat vetereans, have the latest and greatest weaponry, get paid on time, have good food and the best health care - none of which can be said about Russia's military).
Anyway, I gotta go - hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Two Russian jets were shot down.

517 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:01:04am

re: #509 DistantThunder
I'll bet there is more to that story than just a madman stabbed those people.
BTW, mornin' all.

518 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:02:47am

re: #513 MandyManners

Ain't it funny how the MSM paints conservatives as the hateful ones?

I dunno, Mandy. I've been kind of amazed by the tone of some of the postings here on Edwards. It seems pretty clear that infidelity is a bipartisan activity. Why so much hatred toward those who succumb to the weaknesses of the flesh?

519 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:03:37am

Well this sucks, have to turn on the Commie News Network to see the news. Fox is doing their business stuff. :(

520 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:04:24am

Georgian forum but, I cannot get the English page to come up.

521 gman  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:04:59am
Well, words barely describe. I felt like I was watching evidence of human history progressing, somewhere else, while our stupid country wallows. It was a stunning cinematographic spectacle, in and of itself marking a place in time - of something I can't quite comprehend. The transfer of premierity? The glory of the rise? The last hurrah of nationalism over corporatism? The prosperity of peace? The creative spirit unfettered by concerns of scale or resources, all at at the height of human technology? The sight of the pinnacle and synthesis of all of these things?

This quote from a kosling as he/she watched the opening ceremonies last night.

522 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:05:57am

This looks to be a Turkish news report.

523 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:06:22am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

I was just reading that. Here's some raw footage: Remnants Of Georgian Fighter Plane Fall From The Sky.

In-Car Camera Captures Russian Tanks Rolling Into Georgia

This didn't happen on a whim.

524 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:06:28am

re: #518 JustMyView
The hypocracy. I don't care what stripe they(pols) are. If you can't keep your mattiage vows obviously a little thing like an oath to protect and defend the Constititiution wouldn't mean shit.
RIP Bernie Mac.

525 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:07:08am

re: #515 Oh no...Sand People!

Gotta keep a slave class alive somehow...or they lose a 'victim' to exploit.

They seem to want two classes: the very poor, and the very rich as long as the very rich are Democrats.

526 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:07:35am

mattiage=marriage. Sheesh. More caffine.

527 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:07:51am

re: #518 JustMyView

I dunno, Mandy. I've been kind of amazed by the tone of some of the postings here on Edwards. It seems pretty clear that infidelity is a bipartisan activity. Why so much hatred toward those who succumb to the weaknesses of the flesh?

Take a look at the vehemence with which the MSM have focused on the indiscretions of Republicans.

528 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:07:51am

re: #503 MandyManners

A link I got using UTexas' map colletions. Seems to have some good stuff.

[Link: www.aboutgeorgia.net...]

From the page about cuisine:

Even the most experienced gourmand will not be able to resist the savoury chizhi-pizhi, pieces of liver and spleen roasted in butter and whipped eggs; crisp chicken "tabaka" served with the pungent sourish sauce "satsivi". The famous dishes include the melting-in-the-mouth sturgeon on a spit and sauce; the chicken sauce "chakhokhbili" in a hot tomato and dressing; the Kakhetian dish "chakapuli" made of young lamb in a slightly sourish juice of damson, herds and onion; roasted small sausages "kupati" stuffed with finely chopped pork, beef and mutton mixed with red pepper and barberries.

Reminds me, I haven't been to the local Bulgarian restaurant in a while!

529 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:08:29am

re: #524 pingjockey

The hypocracy. I don't care what stripe they(pols) are. If you can't keep your mattiage vows obviously a little thing like an oath to protect and defend the Constititiution wouldn't mean shit.
RIP Bernie Mac.

You know this applies to the current Republican candidate for president, right?

I want to be clear that I am not hammering on McCain for his history of infidelity. I'm wondering why it's so important to hammer on Edwards.

530 dmandman  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:10:28am

re: #516 MandyManners

What is more telling is that they tried to hit the Oil processing infrastructure and failed using Aircraft strikes. This indicates that they still don't have precision targeting even at the elite level which I would assume to be committed at this level of engagement. We will see the attrition of equipment increase on their side also from simply poor quality of manufacture, but time is of the essence as they can overwhelm Georgia with simply a surge with sufficient troops. The Georgians have to hope to string this thing out and defeat the Russians in detail over a long period of time.

531 nigella  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:10:48am

About this Edwards thing, I'm sorry if I sound"cruel" but if Elizabeth Edwards knew all about this "affair" and continued to campaign with her husband and denied he had it, she is as guilty as him.Both are liars, and seemed to care only about their political future, not their personal one. Doesn't say much about their character and family values does it?

532 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:10:49am

re: #529 JustMyView
I ain't really happy about McCain either. Did he screw around while he was married or after the divorce? Plus is he screwing around while a candidate for Prez?

533 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:10:57am

re: #527 MandyManners

Take a look at the vehemence with which the MSM have focused on the indiscretions of Republicans.

Well, you have to admit that, given the centrality of "family values" in Republican talking points during the past decade, some of their indiscretions are pretty funny.

534 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:11:14am

re: #522 Killgore Trout

This looks to be a Turkish news report.

Which side is targetting civilians?!

535 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:11:37am

re: #532 pingjockey

I ain't really happy about McCain either. Did he screw around while he was married or after the divorce? Plus is he screwing around while a candidate for Prez?

While he was married, but not, as far as we know, while a candidate for president.

536 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:11:57am

re: #521 gman

This quote from a kosling as he/she watched the opening ceremonies last night.


Good Morning all!
Wow, those Kos Kids are like soooooo deep ya know?
It might be just me , but I haven't seen anything that boring since the time I was dragged to see 'Showboat"

537 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:12:03am

re: #528 itellu3times

Reminds me, I haven't been to the local Bulgarian restaurant in a while!

Uh...ick. Liver and spleen?

538 mfarmer1  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:12:32am

Why oh why did so many dinosaurs have to die in places like this?

Head of Nigerian Federal Agency for Oil Development Hires Witch Doctor

539 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:12:53am

re: #521 gman

Well, words barely describe. I felt like I was watching evidence of human history progressing, somewhere else, while our stupid country wallows. It was a stunning cinematographic spectacle, in and of itself marking a place in time - of something I can't quite comprehend. The transfer of premierity? The glory of the rise? The last hurrah of nationalism over corporatism? The prosperity of peace [ed. by means of executing dissenters and stifling free speech]? The creative spirit unfettered by concerns of scale or resources [ed. and wasting them in abundance and polluting worse than all countries combined], all at at the height [expense] of human[s and sweatshops of small children?]technology? The sight of the pinnacle and synthesis of all of these things? [ed. Communism and forced labor/slaves get sh*t done!]

They are insane...

540 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:13:40am

re: #530 dmandman

What is more telling is that they tried to hit the Oil processing infrastructure and failed using Aircraft strikes. This indicates that they still don't have precision targeting even at the elite level which I would assume to be committed at this level of engagement. We will see the attrition of equipment increase on their side also from simply poor quality of manufacture, but time is of the essence as they can overwhelm Georgia with simply a surge with sufficient troops. The Georgians have to hope to string this thing out and defeat the Russians in detail over a long period of time.

I wonder if there is any connection/communication between Russia and the Kurds who blew up the oil stuff on 7/6. (It's linked above.)

541 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:13:59am

re: #535 JustMyView
It just frosts my butt. Why can't these men keep their zippers zipped?
You are in the Nat'l spotlight. The slightest, most minor thing that happens is instantly, almost, found out and put out on manbearpigs invention.

542 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:14:49am

re: #358 MandyManners

Going back just a week.

SUKHUMI, Georgia (Reuters) - The last of 400 Russian soldiers sent by Moscow to repair a railway in Georgia's rebel region of Abkhazia began to pull out on Wednesday, ending a deployment which angered Tbilisi and its Western allies.

Loudspeakers played music from a brass band and children handed out flowers and Abkhazian flags to Russian soldiers at the opening ceremony of the 54 km (33 mile) railway line.

SNIP

Hmmmmmmmm....

543 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:15:28am

re: #529 JustMyView

You know this applies to the current Republican candidate for president, right?

I want to be clear that I am not hammering on McCain for his history of infidelity. I'm wondering why it's so important to hammer on Edwards.

This story is more about the pro-democrat bias of the media. The NY Times breathlessly reported a story about McCain that was devoid of truth. Meanwhile, the Edwards story has been hanging in the air for 2 years and not a peep from the Pinchy-left-wing NY Times.

544 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:16:01am

re: #539 Oh no...Sand People!
Gaaaah! That is the most convoluted, sophomoric pap I have seen in a while. I'm sure the kosling thinks that was very deep.

545 Sharmuta  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:16:04am

re: #521 gman

Wow. That makes me so glad the IOC gave an international platform to totalitarian thugs!

546 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:16:26am

re: #534 MandyManners

I can't tell who's doing what to whom in that report but it looks pretty bad. My guess is that the footage is of the Russian strikes on Georgian town. Just a guess.

547 nigella  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:16:42am

Just occurred to me, now that the Adultery story about Edwards cheating on his cancer stricken wife has come out, it has given the MSM the opportunity to drag out McCain's story too. I'm not sure of the exact situation with McCain, but he wasn't in the Political game yet when it allegedly occurred. Maybe they dropped this to justify going after McCain?

548 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:16:47am

re: #524 pingjockey

The hypocracy. I don't care what stripe they(pols) are. If you can't keep your mattiage vows obviously a little thing like an oath to protect and defend the Constititiution wouldn't mean shit.
RIP Bernie Mac.

I think that John Edwards should make a bold statement, "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky" You know, put it behind him.

549 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:17:53am

Sky News has video of the Russian assault on Georgia.

550 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:17:58am

re: #546 Killgore Trout
One thing about this war. There will be no talk of limiting collateral damage. Us and the Brits are the only ones who sweat such niceties while trying to win a war.

551 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:18:02am

re: #541 pingjockey

It just frosts my butt. Why can't these men keep their zippers zipped?
You are in the Nat'l spotlight. The slightest, most minor thing that happens is instantly, almost, found out and put out on manbearpigs invention.

All true, but that's why we have verses such as, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Something on the order of 50% of married men and women commit adultery. It's a very bad thing, but it also seems to be pretty normal. Sad and hurtful, to say the least, but still normal.

552 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:18:37am

re: #548 opnion

I think that John Edwards should make a bold statement, "I did not have sex with that woman, Monica Lewinsky, but Bill did give me her phone number and dibs!" You know, put it behind him.


fixed

553 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:19:13am

re: #548 opnion
Heh. "Well, it's true. I didn't have sex with Ms. Lewinsky, it was another woman."

554 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:19:33am

re: #520 MandyManners

Georgian forum but, I cannot get the English page to come up.

[Link: www.georgia.lv...]

555 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:19:53am

re: #529 JustMyView

You know this applies to the current Republican candidate for president, right?

I want to be clear that I am not hammering on McCain for his history of infidelity. I'm wondering why it's so important to hammer on Edwards.

You do know that there is a significnt difference? Elizabeth Edwards is battling cancer (Remission or not)
We went through this & the last thing on my mind was an affair.
I don't believe that I am unusual

556 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:10am

re: #551 JustMyView
50%! That is terrible.

557 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:18am

re: #544 pingjockey

Gaaaah! That is the most convoluted, sophomoric pap I have seen in a while. I'm sure the kosling thinks that was very deep.

As the fools blame the US for the worst human rights record...fools.

558 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:19am

re: #530 dmandman

What is more telling is that they tried to hit the Oil processing infrastructure and failed using Aircraft strikes. This indicates that they still don't have precision targeting even at the elite level which I would assume to be committed at this level of engagement. We will see the attrition of equipment increase on their side also from simply poor quality of manufacture, but time is of the essence as they can overwhelm Georgia with simply a surge with sufficient troops. The Georgians have to hope to string this thing out and defeat the Russians in detail over a long period of time.

See FrogMarch's No. 374.

559 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:21am

Russia blames the US for militarizing Georgia

This is starting to look like a preemptive move on Russia's part. They seem to fear Georgia was getting too strong.

560 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:22am

re: #518 JustMyView i believe it's not only what he did but When, also, his not admitting to it , attempting to become potus, and btw itsn't dems response to Reps committing error about Hypocrisy> did you read what Edwards said about BillC when he was busted?

561 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:41am

re: #547 nigella

Just occurred to me, now that the Adultery story about Edwards cheating on his cancer stricken wife has come out, it has given the MSM the opportunity to drag out McCain's story too. I'm not sure of the exact situation with McCain, but he wasn't in the Political game yet when it allegedly occurred. Maybe they dropped this to justify going after McCain?

Have you actually seen any stories about McCain since the Edwards story broke? It's early, of course, but I don't think this connection is likely. The McCain story is old as dirt. The details have been reviewed many times. Newspapers like to print news.

562 Oh no...Sand People!  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:20:45am

Have a good night lizards.

563 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:21:40am

re: #546 Killgore Trout

I can't tell who's doing what to whom in that report but it looks pretty bad. My guess is that the footage is of the Russian strikes on Georgian town. Just a guess.

Those reporters have more guts than most MSM reporters.

564 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:22:01am

I don't know how many of you have read John McCain's personal story published in US News and World report in 1973. I had no idea that his torture had been so severe over 5 1/2 years. I didn't know that thru repeated beatings that the gooks rebroke his arm and ribs, after they had initially healed. He was forced to sit on a stool in a courtyard for 3 days and 3 nights. He laid in his own excrement for weeks, and had bed sores down to the bone.
He said the worse was all the propaganda by the useful anti-war idiots back home. How would it be if you never knew when or if you would get out alive? Other men who tried to escape were beaten to death. He repeatedly turned down opportunities to leave as part of a deal. He was cooked alive in solitary for 2 years.

(1973)John McCain, POW, First-person Account

I remained in solitary confinement from that time on for more than two years. I was not allowed to see or talk to or communicate with any of my fellow prisoners. My room was fairly decent-sized—I'd say it was about 10 by 10. The door was solid. There were no windows. The only ventilation came from two small holes at the top in the ceiling, about 6 inches by 4 inches. The roof was tin and it got hot as hell in there. The room was kind of dim—night and day—but they always kept on a small light bulb, so they could observe me. I was in that place for two years.
565 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:22:27am

re: #529 JustMyView

re: #555 opnion

You do know that there is a significnt difference? Elizabeth Edwards is battling cancer (Remission or not)
We went through this & the last thing on my mind was an affair.
I don't believe that I am unusual

There's another major difference. in McCain's case, they were ALLEGATIONS. Up until yesterday, that was also true of Edwards. Now, not so much !

566 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:23:25am

re: #556 pingjockey

50%! That is terrible.

Yup, it is. But, again, normal. (Note that that's a rough estimate. Couldn't find an estimate of current infidelity rates online quickly. That figure, though, is in the ballpark of the old Kinsey studies. I doubt the rate has declined in recent years.)

567 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:23:26am

re: #549 lawhawk

Sky News has video of the Russian assault on Georgia.

Good link.

568 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:23:32am

re: #530 dmandman

What is more telling is that they tried to hit the Oil processing infrastructure and failed using Aircraft strikes. This indicates that they still don't have precision targeting even at the elite level which I would assume to be committed at this level of engagement. We will see the attrition of equipment increase on their side also from simply poor quality of manufacture, but time is of the essence as they can overwhelm Georgia with simply a surge with sufficient troops. The Georgians have to hope to string this thing out and defeat the Russians in detail over a long period of time.

Georgia has only 5m people? If I do the math correctly, it's about the size of southern California, from Los Angeles to San Diego, and out to the Colorado, that includes, what, 20m people and a ton of desert? Is Georgia that sparsely settled, or are the population numbers off?

Anyway, if they allow the world press in there, that will be telling. Get there via Turkey, I guess. Hmm, we have our big Batman NATO base not all that far away. Hmm, Mosul Iraq to Tbilisi looks about 500 miles.

569 nigella  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:23:36am

Well , Just my view, not yet but a lot of the Lib web blogs have been running with this angle, and it could just be a matter of time. We will see.

570 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:23:44am

Karma's a bitch. Rielle's family is now telling ABC News that Edwards better put up - take a paternity test.

571 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:23:49am

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...] just my view

572 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:24:46am

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Russia blames the US for militarizing Georgia

This is starting to look like a preemptive move on Russia's part. They seem to fear Georgia was getting too strong.

We shouldn't help a sovereign nation and ally? We'll be sure and ask Moscow to approve all our actions in the future.

573 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:24:57am

re: #556 pingjockey

50%! That is terrible.

I would love to know where that stat cme from.

574 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:25:15am

re: #565 sattv4u2

re: #555 opnion

There's another major difference. in McCain's case, they were ALLEGATIONS. Up until yesterday, that was also true of Edwards. Now, not so much !

Do you mean to say that there are only allegations of infidelity in McCain's case? Because that would be incorrect. He has acknowledged that he began his relationship w/ his present wife (and, I believe, had other relationships) while still married to his first wife. There's no question about this.

575 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:25:24am
576 gman  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:25:57am

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Russia blames the US for militarizing Georgia

This is starting to look like a preemptive move on Russia's part. They seem to fear Georgia was getting too strong.

No doubt the MSM will also be goose- stepping to the "blame US=blame Bush" meme.

577 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:26:03am

re: #572 David IV of Georgia
The Russians(read Czar Putin) can go piss up a rope.

578 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:26:41am

re: #559 Killgore Trout

Russia blames the US for militarizing Georgia

This is starting to look like a preemptive move on Russia's part. They seem to fear Georgia was getting too strong.


How much you wanna' bet that the MSM's slant is directed against Georgia because of its role in Iraq?

579 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:26:57am

re: #566 JustMyView

Yup, it is. But, again, normal. (Note that that's a rough estimate. Couldn't find an estimate of current infidelity rates online quickly. That figure, though, is in the ballpark of the old Kinsey studies. I doubt the rate has declined in recent years.)

Do you think that the sampling that Kinsey used may have been flawed.
I can just tell you what I have observed, Half of the guys that I know have kept their vows.

580 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:27:31am

South Ossetia is pulling out the genocide card already. Did someone break a fingernail?

581 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:27:32am

re: #561 JustMyView

The left wing blogs were busy pushing the McCain story yesterday, and expect it to follow into the big media sites in the next day or so. Besides, the NYT ran its poorly sourced innuendo claiming McCain was somehow involved with Iseman and filled the front page expose with anything but facts. Then, it ran a correction that was so pitiful that the Public Editor had to chastise the paper.

582 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:27:47am

U.S. out of Atlanta now. Geogia for the Georgians! What? Where? Never mind.

583 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:27:57am

re: #574 JustMyView

Do you mean to say that there are only allegations of infidelity in McCain's case? Because that would be incorrect. He has acknowledged that he began his relationship w/ his present wife (and, I believe, had other relationships) while still married to his first wife. There's no question about this.


What about Elizabeth Edward's illness?

584 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:28:26am

re: #581 lawhawk also huffington in my previous post.

585 nigella  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:28:31am

On a more serious note then the Edwards thing, none of you should be worrying about the Russia/Georgia thing. The U.N. will get right on it and send a "strongly worded letter." That should take care of it..............

586 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:28:36am

re: #580 David IV of Georgia

Well, a couple of hours ago, they were claiming it was ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile, it appears that the bulk of the casualties are not Ossetians but Georgians.

587 opnion  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:29:17am

re: #579 opnion

Do you think that the sampling that Kinsey used may have been flawed.
I can just tell you what I have observed, Half of the guys that I know have kept their vows.

Man did I butcher that. I mean half of the guys I know have not been unfaithful.

588 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:29:33am

re: #574 JustMyView

Do you mean to say that there are only allegations of infidelity in McCain's case? Because that would be incorrect. He has acknowledged that he began his relationship w/ his present wife (and, I believe, had other relationships) while still married to his first wife. There's no question about this.

he has stated that he MET his current wife while still married. I agree where there is smoke there MAY be fire. however, he never admitted (as Edwards now has) that he was having an affair. if so and I missed it, please provide a link where he (McCain) says so. And for you to add (and, I believe, had other relationships) with no evidence is the type of statement usually seen on Kos

589 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:29:44am

re: #568 itellu3times

Georgia has only 5m people? If I do the math correctly, it's about the size of southern California, from Los Angeles to San Diego, and out to the Colorado, that includes, what, 20m people and a ton of desert? Is Georgia that sparsely settled, or are the population numbers off?

Anyway, if they allow the world press in there, that will be telling. Get there via Turkey, I guess. Hmm, we have our big Batman NATO base not all that far away. Hmm, Mosul Iraq to Tbilisi looks about 500 miles.

Georgia is situated in Southwestern Asia, bordering the Black Sea, between Turkey and Russia. Located in the region known as the Caucasus or Caucasia, Georgia is a small country of approximately 69,875 square kilometers--about the size of West Virginia.

590 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:30:09am

McCain: when I looked at Putin's eyes I saw 3 letters: K G B

591 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:30:23am

re: #585 nigella
Yep. Tin pot dictators the world over fear the "strongly worded letter" from the Useless Nitwits.

592 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:30:23am

I'm back..breakfast and coffee...mmmmmm
re: #551 JustMyView

All true, but that's why we have verses such as, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Something on the order of 50% of married men and women commit adultery. It's a very bad thing, but it also seems to be pretty normal. Sad and hurtful, to say the least, but still normal.

So you are saying there are 2 americas? one america cheats and the other doesn't?
Think i'll stay in my little corner of america..you stay on yours John.

593 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:31:37am

BBIAB

594 DistantThunder  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:31:55am

From the JOhn McCain article:

In March, I got a roommate, Col. John Finley, Air Force. He and I lived together for approximately two months. A month after he moved in, "The Cat" told me I was going to see another delegation. I refused and was forced to sit on a stool in the "Heartbreak" courtyard area for three days and nights. Then I was sent back to my room.

The pressure continued on us to see antiwar delegations. By early in June I was moved away from Colonel Finley to a room that they called "Calcutta," about 50 yards away from the nearest prisoners. It was 6 feet by 2 feet with no ventilation in it, and it was very, very hot. During the summer I suffered from heat prostration a couple or three times, and dysentery. I was very ill. Washing facilities were nonexistent. My food was cut down to about half rations. Sometimes I'd go for a day or so without eating.

595 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:32:00am

I wonder what the Chechens' opinions of all this is. Chechnya is right there, to the north.

596 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:32:03am

re: #564 DistantThunder

I don't know how many of you have read John McCain's personal story published in US News and World report in 1973. I had no idea that his torture had been so severe over 5 1/2 years. I didn't know that thru repeated beatings that the gooks rebroke his arm and ribs, after they had initially healed. He was forced to sit on a stool in a courtyard for 3 days and 3 nights. He laid in his own excrement for weeks, and had bed sores down to the bone.
He said the worse was all the propaganda by the useful anti-war idiots back home. How would it be if you never knew when or if you would get out alive? Other men who tried to escape were beaten to death. He repeatedly turned down opportunities to leave as part of a deal. He was cooked alive in solitary for 2 years.

(1973)John McCain, POW, First-person Account

Compare that to John Fucking Kerry. John Kerry - A man who abandoned his men after 4 months and 12 days, somehow managed to get 3 purple hearts within 4 months and 12 days, then came home and hung out with left-wing uber-bitch form hell Jane Fonda and basically recited communist propaganda like it was no big deal.

Basically, John Kerry and Jane Fonda said things that made it so that real war heroes were tortured. But according to the morally-devoid happily-lied-to left- John Kerry was the only war hero to emerge from Vietnam.

597 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:32:29am

CNN calling Georgia "the former Soviet Republic". It got its independence at least 15 years ago.

598 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:32:41am

re: #577 pingjockey

The Russians(read Czar Putin) can go piss up a rope.

We probably should have given the Georgians toilet paper and disinfectant to help them deal with Russia's aid.

The present situation kinda defeats the argument that the Georgians didn't need military aid.

599 rawmuse  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:33:21am

Good morning, Lizards! I dunno, fidelity to one's mate, it ain't all that difficult. Seems to me that if you can't trust a man to keep a marriage vow, you can't trust him, period.

600 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:34:06am

re: #589 MandyManners

CNN says 30,000 "refugees" have crossed into Russia now. So, is it over? Or are they going to sit across the border, and launch Kassam missiles back at their old homes? Or wot?

601 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:34:08am

re: #599 rawmuse

Good morning, Lizards! I dunno, fidelity to one's mate, it ain't all that difficult. Seems to me that if you can't trust a man to keep a marriage vow, you can't trust him, period.

good morning muse..

602 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:34:17am

re: #590 akak

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

McCain: when I looked at Putin's eyes I saw 3 letters: K G B

Reminds me of what flitted through my head about 10 minutes ago. When was BHO's vacation to Hawaii been scheduled?

603 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:34:47am

Thread dead ahead.

604 itellu3times  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:35:19am

re: #595 MandyManners

I wonder what the Chechens' opinions of all this is. Chechnya is right there, to the north.

Chechens Islamic, Georgians mostly Orthodox Christian, probably not so much buddies, but the enemy of my enemy, and like that.

605 Taqyia2Me  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:36:05am

re: #596 FrogMarch

Treason is what he committed when, as an active duty officer, he went and gave his 'Ghengis Khan' speech in France.
Later, as a presiential candidate, he removed all doubt as to whether he was a coward when, he promised to release his complete military record before the election and never did.
How are my tax $s paying this man's salary and benefits?

606 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:36:05am

re: #596 FrogMarch
Froggy don't get me going on Jon halp uz Kary. He is a lying, feckless, cowardly, traitorous, elitist, lowlife, scumbag, asshat, pos, wothless, no good, vomitous mass, boil on the butt of hummanity, and in general someone I couldn't hit just once. Did I mention he served in Viet Nam?

607 rawmuse  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:36:21am
608 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:37:08am

re: #586 lawhawk

Well, a couple of hours ago, they were claiming it was ethnic cleansing. Meanwhile, it appears that the bulk of the casualties are not Ossetians but Georgians.

Racism, ethnic cleansing and genocide have all become rather meaningless propaganda epithets.

609 pingjockey  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:37:18am

going up thread.

610 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:38:12am

re: #606 pingjockey

Froggy don't get me going on Jon halp uz Kary. He is a lying, feckless, cowardly, traitorous, elitist, lowlife, scumbag, asshat, pos, wothless, no good, vomitous mass, boil on the butt of hummanity, and in general someone I couldn't hit just once. Did I mention he served in Viet Nam?

May I add that he's also a bottom feeding money grubbing left-wing whore? and a media darling. Who served in Vietnam. He served!

611 jcm  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:39:07am

Morning all!
re: #599 rawmuse

Good morning, Lizards! I dunno, fidelity to one's mate, it ain't all that difficult. Seems to me that if you can't trust a man to keep a marriage vow, you can't trust him, period.

I tend to agree with you in principal. I use it as a piece of my evaluation and not a litmus test.

612 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:39:41am

re: #583 opnion

What about Elizabeth Edward's illness?

Makes his behavior even tackier. But, again, McCain cheated on and, eventually, divorced a wife who had become partially disabled (and substantially less attractive) because of a serious accident. Newt Gingrich also sought to ditch his wife while she was hospitalized for cancer treatment.

Unfortunately, there are no angels among us.

613 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:43:07am

re: #597 pingjockey

CNN calling Georgia "the former Soviet Republic". It got its independence at least 15 years ago.

It was a "former independent monarchy" for over a thousand years before the the Soviets ruled diddly squat. It used to be an ally of the Roman Empire.

614 Wyatt Earp  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 8:45:27am
615 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:01:36am

re: #588 sattv4u2

he has stated that he MET his current wife while still married. I agree where there is smoke there MAY be fire. however, he never admitted (as Edwards now has) that he was having an affair. if so and I missed it, please provide a link where he (McCain) says so. And for you to add (and, I believe, had other relationships) with no evidence is the type of statement usually seen on Kos

Here is a fairly detailed story that gives timelines as to what happened when. An excerpt:

In his 2002 memoir, "Worth the Fighting For," McCain wrote that he had separated from Carol before he began dating Hensley.

I wasn't able to find an explicit acknowledgment of the affair, although I heard him admit to it in a televised interview a few years ago. In the piece I linked to above, he says, "In his autobiography, he wrote: "My marriage's collapse was attributable to my own selfishness and immaturity. The blame was entirely mine." I think we'd have to be pretty naive to say that these facts don't add up to evidence of and acknowledgment of infidelity on McCain's part.

Again, I want to be clear that I'm not belaboring this to besmirch McCain. He's already taken care of that. My point is just that there are sinners amongst both Repubs and Dems.


"I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobs would allow," McCain wrote. "I was separated from Carol, but our divorce would not become final until February of 1980."

An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had "cohabited" until Jan. 7 of that year -- or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.

Here are allegations of other affairs.

616 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:06:11am

re: #587 opnion

Man did I butcher that. I mean half of the guys I know have not been unfaithful.

I don't know about Kinsey's sampling, but, apparently, more recent estimates are lower. From a 2005 paper:

For example, Laumann et al. (1994) report that 25% of married men and 15% of married women admitted to having engaged in EM sex at least once.

EM=Extramarital

617 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:22:42am

re: #616 JustMyView

Many people today think the Kinsey numbers were inflated. No, I don't have a source.

618 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:44:15am

re: #617 David IV of Georgia

Many people today think the Kinsey numbers were inflated. No, I don't have a source.

Yes, the figures I cited in #616 are substantially lower than the Kinsey estimates, which were 60% for men and 30% for women.

619 tradewind  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:44:48am

Hot damn, gas is under three fitty per gallon at the corner station.....

620 tradewind  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:46:23am

re: #612 JustMyView

It wouldn't matter to the rest of us had the Edwards'..... both of them... not chosen to wrap themselves in the mantle of their marriage as part of their campaign to show how great they were.
That's what bothers me most.

621 JustMyView  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 9:50:48am

re: #620 tradewind

It wouldn't matter to the rest of us had the Edwards'..... both of them... not chosen to wrap themselves in the mantle of their marriage as part of their campaign to show how great they were.
That's what bothers me most.

I agree. That's a very troublesome aspect of the situation.

622 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 10:11:03am

re: #566 JustMyView
IIRC the Kinsey Reports period was PRE- HIV and Aids; methinks things have changed somewhat (and condoms only give limited protection against
either HIV or herpes).

623 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 10:12:09am

re: #622 realwest
Addendum to my #622 - the divorce rate is roughly 50%, and much of it unrelated to infidelity.

624 Cognito  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 11:45:01am

re: #299 coquimbojoe

Pull your head out of your butt. What do you think LGF is doing and so many others?

Ah, yes. All those LGF staffers are doing a fine job covering the conflict in Georgia. Right?

Right?

Where is my head, again?


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