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Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 9:43:51 pm PDT

Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.

Mark Twain

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1 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:44:09pm

In Chinese, please.

2 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:45:40pm

re: #1 Cognito

Good evening, Cognito.

3 Buster Bunny  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:47:12pm

Another Twain moment. That guy is such a legend

4 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:47:23pm

re: #2 hermeneutics

Actually it's just after noon, in China.

All of China.

(I'm preparing for imminent takeover, by waves of impeccably choreographed footsoldiers/dancers.)

5 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:48:29pm

re: #4 Cognito

Actually it's just after noon, in China.

All of China.

(I'm preparing for imminent takeover, by waves of impeccably choreographed footsoldiers/dancers.)

Are you covering the olympics or just enjoying them?

6 faraway  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:48:44pm

Faults are thick where love is thin.

7 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:48:47pm

hi, y'all. i'm on cellphone.

8 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:13pm

re: #5 hermeneutics

Are you covering the olympics or just enjoying them?

I'm just enjoying them. Equal parts amazed and alarmed by tonight's display.

9 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:19pm

Tis easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Once

10 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:20pm

re: #6 faraway

Faults are thick where love is thin.

Conversely, love is thick when faults are thin.

11 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:49:50pm

re: #8 Cognito

I'm just enjoying them. Equal parts amazed and alarmed by tonight's display.

Is this your first time in China?

12 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:50:28pm

re: #11 hermeneutics

Is this your first time in China?

No, no, I was just kidding. I'm far from China.

13 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:50:29pm

re: #7 LeePro

Doing it through a blackberry or iPhone?

/gonna have to get me one of dem der gadgets.

//Morning {LeePro}

14 hermeneutics  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:05pm

re: #12 Cognito

No, no, I was just kidding. I'm far from China.

Gosh, I'm so gullible! Meany!

15 Buster Bunny  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:08pm

Its so typical the Olympic Opening ceremony .. i mean its lost all its panache. Sure you cant wheel out 18 grand pianos .. (its been done) but its so .. blase ... and repetitive.

My guess is at the closing ceremony this will have been the best Olympics EVER (again)

Rinse once .. then repeat ....

16 pat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:15pm

Well, the Olympics have bored me already. Back to work.

17 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:23pm

(The joke being that the Chinese are pretty clearly poised to take over the world. With synchronized drumming, if nothing else.)

18 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:32pm

I wish I understood the Russia-Georgia conflict better.

I wish there was an objective source that would explain both sides and show what's going on now.

That would normally be considered the MSM's job, but they've shown they cannot be trusted.

19 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:51:34pm

re: #7 LeePro

hi, y'all. i'm on cellphone.

You mean, you're just "phoning it in?"

20 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:53:48pm

re: #18 Palandine

I wish I understood the Russia-Georgia conflict better.

I wish there was an objective source that would explain both sides and show what's going on now.

That would normally be considered the MSM's job, but they've shown they cannot be trusted.


With all due respect, you don't have to accept every reported fact, but if you want to understand the world you'd better start reading.

The gist: Georgia broke away from Russia. Georgia has, at vast expense, been a good friend to America in a few critical ways. They've also got key natural resources. Now Russia wants Georgia back.

The gist, anyway.

21 DeathtotheSwiss  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:54:47pm

I dressed up as Mr. Twain once for a project in middle-school. Ahhh...what a dork I was.

22 Bubblehead II  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:55:28pm

re: #20 Cognito

That and if they become a full member of Nato, They will be a BIG thorn in Russia's side/ass.

23 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:22pm

re: #20 Cognito You're right, but the part of Georgia that they started fighting over is a major conduit for oil and gas to Europe.
And right now, Russia is the Number 1. exporter of Oil in the World.
And they intend to stay that way for a long time to come.

24 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:31pm

re: #13 BlueCanuck

Doing it through a blackberry or iPhone?

/gonna have to get me one of dem der gadgets.

//Morning {LeePro}

{Blue}!

Palm Centro.
Here on computer now. Phone way too slow. Won't finish loading multi-comment threads.

Fun anyway!
;D

25 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:51pm

Watching the Olympics - just amazing!

Say what you will about the Chinese - but so far they are putting on a great show.

26 pat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:56:52pm

The Ostessians are ethnic Russians. But I think they will prove to be about as much fun as Chechnya in the long run.

27 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:24pm

re: #23 realwest

You're right, but the part of Georgia that they started fighting over is a major conduit for oil and gas to Europe.
And right now, Russia is the Number 1. exporter of Oil in the World.
And they intend to stay that way for a long time to come.

So it's all about Big Oil? And Bushcheneyhalliburton is not involved? Something is not right with the universe!

/s....

28 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:31pm

re: #23 realwest

You're right, but the part of Georgia that they started fighting over is a major conduit for oil and gas to Europe.
And right now, Russia is the Number 1. exporter of Oil in the World.
And they intend to stay that way for a long time to come.

I don't believe Russia is the number one exporter of oil, actually. Natural gas, but not oil.

29 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:43pm

re: #21 DeathtotheSwiss
Mark Twain was as far from a "dork" as is imaginable. So I don't know why you felt dressing up as him made you a dork. Even in Middle School.

30 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:57:49pm

re: #19 RedPepper

You mean, you're just "phoning it in?"

Please!
Texting, if you will!

31 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:04pm

re: #24 LeePro

{Blue}!

Palm Centro.
Here on computer now. Phone way too slow. Won't finish loading multi-comment threads.

Fun anyway!
;D

I have the same problem with my Treo.

One solution is to add LGF to a google/ig homepage and load it through there. Google breaks it up into easy to read pages.

Still hoping someone other than google comes up with this kind of thing on mobile.

32 ggt  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:30pm

Weet dreams all!

33 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:41pm

re: #24 LeePro

Ah good old Palm OS. Do you know the Graffitti? :)

/not too shabby at it myself.

34 Jim C.  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:54pm

Also Twain: "Always do right. This will gratify some people, and astonish the rest."

* To the Young People's Society, Greenpoint Presbyterian Church, Brooklyn (February 16, 1901)

35 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:55pm

Speaking of Mark Twain ...

“If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man.”

~ Mark Twain

36 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:58:55pm

Being a not so old cold warrior, if the Russians are for something I'm agin' it.

37 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:59:07pm

re: #28 Cognito Well I be waay to tired to go grab the link Cog, but feel free to - I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago, if that helps give you a starting point.

38 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 9:59:22pm

Anyone know the ethnic/religious make of Ossetia? Outside of any ethnic slavic Russians who may live there? Just wondering who (and in who's name) is this latest spat.

39 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:00:12pm

re: #20 Cognito

Why, thank you, Cognito. I understand "the gist" just fine, and without the tender mercies of the MSM. Perhaps you could suggest an MSM source that is there (Georgia is not that far away from any of the centers of media, and documentig wars is how Pulitzers are won) and reporting heavily and objectively on what's going on.

40 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:00:15pm

re: #37 realwest

Well I be waay to tired to go grab the link Cog, but feel free to - I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago, if that helps give you a starting point.

Actually I've got a source a bit more familiar than the WSJ, realwest.

They're number two in oil, number one in natural gas.

41 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:00:19pm

re: #33 BlueCanuck

Ah good old Palm OS. Do you know the Graffitti? :)

/not too shabby at it myself.

Mines a Palm but they now use WM on it. Centro still PalmOS?

42 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:01:02pm

re: #34 Jim C.

GMTA ...

43 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:01:05pm

re: #35 RedPepper
And speaking further of Mark Twain, "It can probably be shown with facts and figures that there is no such thing as a native American criminal class; excluding Congress, of course."

44 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:01:59pm

re: #40 Cognito Well I have to assume you don't want to name your source, but do, pray tell, who is number 1 ?

45 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:02:00pm

re: #39 Palandine

Perhaps you could suggest an MSM source... reporting heavily and objectively on what's going on.

I suggest many. Read widely, and you'll develop your own sense of authority, so that when someone veers off the mark, you'll sense it.

That's just my opinion, only given since you asked.

46 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:02:56pm

re: #44 realwest

Our friends in the House of Saud.

47 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:03:54pm

re: #45 Cognito

Very helpful, Cognito. That's the sort of insight I've come to expect.

48 slokat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:03:57pm

re: #26 pat

The Ostessians are ethnic Russians. But I think they will prove to be about as much fun as Chechnya in the long run.

Actually they are ethnic Iranians? South Ossetia

Been converted to Christian, back to Moslem - now mixed almost even.

More current South Ossetia

49 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:04:35pm

re: #47 Palandine

Maybe I'm LGF punch-drunk, but I honestly can't tell if you're kidding...

50 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:04:58pm

re: #46 Cognito Well I know you don't mean the "our friends" part, but I sure would like to know your source.
Cause, iirc, the House of Saud was #2 on the WSJ list - I remember because a) I was surprised and b) I detest the House of Saud.

51 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:05:52pm

re: #33 BlueCanuck

Ah good old Palm OS. Do you know the Graffitti? :)

/not too shabby at it myself.

"the Graffitti?"
hunh?

52 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:26pm
53 Zimriel  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:38pm

No, the Ossetians are ethnic western-Iranians. They're the last surviving remnant of the Avars, iirc. They have Russian citizenship partly because even Iranian is closer to Russian than either is to Georgian, partly because they're stuck in the middle of Georgia and don't want to be wiped out. A bit like how the Armenians are originally from what's now Macedonia (with a Greekish language) but are now stuck in the Caucasus with nowhere else to go.

Georgian is one of those insane Caucasian languages no-one else on Earth speaks. Abkhazian and Chechen would be two more of those wacky Caucasian languages. I don't think any of them are related to each other.

Abkhazia is at least at Georgia's extremity and can secede without damage to Georgia's defensibility. But, since the Georgians are apparently idiots, they didn't let Abkhazia go at the same time they seceded. Now Georgia is saddled with both of 'em.

That said, it's pretty clear the Russians(!) are not interested in keeping peace and celebrating diversity in the Caucasus. This is a cynical land grab; it's obvious the Russians will next claim that Tblisi is, I don't know, the third holiest site in Ossetianism and that the Georgians are secretly Jewish sorcerors.

54 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:41pm

re: #51 LeePro

"the Graffitti?"
hunh?

Is the Centro running PalmOS or WM?

55 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:06:52pm

re: #45 Cognito

There isn't one msm outlet I trust to tell the unvarnished truth anymore. It always has an agenda now, usually slanted left. I guess it has always been that way but with the advent of the computer and the web it is possible to see the obfuscating and outright lies. Just the facts ain't good enough anymore I guess.

56 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:07:15pm

re: #50 realwest

Well I know you don't mean the "our friends" part, but I sure would like to know your source.
Cause, iirc, the House of Saud was #2 on the WSJ list - I remember because a) I was surprised and b) I detest the House of Saud.

It's possible that you were looking at a combined oil/natural gas list, I suspect.

And it's always possible I'm flat wrong. Although I don't believe so, in this case.

57 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:07:24pm

That tears it. I'm ordering a new Dell.

58 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:07:56pm
59 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:08:00pm

The way I understand it is to first ass-u-me that Putin, having dialed his attitude back by forty years, is on the wrong side of any given issue.

Georgia wants to get closer to the West. A part of Georgia which is historically relatively un-Georgian, and which also happens to contain energy industry infrastructure, wants to be independent. Russia, wanting to punish Georgia for looking towards NATO, and wanting all those delicious gas and oil goodies, helps this part of Georgia "separate".

Not sure how accurate that understanding is, but that's what I get so far.

60 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:08:55pm

re: #51 LeePro

It's the short hand for typing on the Palm handhelds. I have an older model Palm Zire31. Use it for a whole bunch of stuff. Including reading books and novels.

61 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:09:13pm

re: #31 Mars Needs Neocons

I have the same problem with my Treo.

One solution is to add LGF to a google/ig homepage and load it through there. Google breaks it up into easy to read pages.

Still hoping someone other than google comes up with this kind of thing on mobile.

Ok. Now I know I'm gonna sound stupid, but what's a "google/ig homepage?"

62 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:09:44pm

re: #55 pingjockey

There isn't one msm outlet I trust to tell the unvarnished truth anymore. It always has an agenda now, usually slanted left. I guess it has always been that way but with the advent of the computer and the web it is possible to see the obfuscating and outright lies. Just the facts ain't good enough anymore I guess.

It depends on the subject.

For what it's worth, while I wouldn't rely on the perfection of every word proceeding from the mainstream press, I certainly wouldn't look to the Internet for higher quality facts.

63 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:10:07pm

re: #43 realwest

I like the way that was phrased ; I've seen that quote before, but not stated precisely that way.

Here's one in the same vein ...

“No man’s life, liberty or property is safe while the Legislature is in session.”

~ New York Surrogate Judge Gideon J. Tucker, 1866

This saying was quoted by Judge Tucker in his report on the final accounting of the estate of A. B. , published in New York Surrogate Reports, 1 Tucker (N. Y. Surr.) 249 (1866).

The saying is most commonly given as, “ ... while Congress is in session.”

64 Russkilitlover  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:10:24pm

Gotta go now and see what Olympics action I can catch on streaming video. USA! USA! USA! Go American Olympians!

65 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:10:44pm

re: #49 Cognito

A war breaks out between the second largest nuclear power in the world--a country that's been flirting with fascism since it threw off Communism--and one of its neighbors. The story features oil, allegations of ethnic cleansing, allegations of thousands of dead civilians in one day. I say I wish I understood the conflict better. You suggest I read. I ask you for an MSM source that's reporting well on a HUGE story, definitely bigger than Edwards being a hose monster, and probably bigger than the Olympics. You give a vague non-answer.

Yes, I was being sarcastic regarding your insight.

66 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:11:26pm

re: #65 Palandine

Fair enough. I'll think twice, next time.

-C

67 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:11:58pm
68 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:12:32pm

re: #62 Cognito
You are unfortunetly correct. I wonder what would happen to the reporter/producer/editor who actually covered a story and actually, without embellishment or bias told exactly what happened. The old, who, what, where, why, when, I learned way back in high school journalism class?

69 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:12:46pm

re: #61 LeePro

Ok. Now I know I'm gonna sound stupid, but what's a "google/ig homepage?"

Google has a homepage option that winds up with the address google.com/ig. It's a page you can put all of your RSS feeds up on. (Like LGF, HotAir, Just a Typical White Person, etc.) I don't use it on my pc anymore, but I did on my Treo for the fun of it, and it caused LGF to have a really convenient layout. I don't remember what the selection is exactly, but its something like Sign in to My Google Homepage or some such stuff.

70 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:13:16pm
Always acknowledge a fault. This will throw those in authority off their guard and give you an opportunity to commit more.


OK.

71 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:13:20pm

re: #68 pingjockey

You are unfortunetly correct. I wonder what would happen to the reporter/producer/editor who actually covered a story and actually, without embellishment or bias told exactly what happened. The old, who, what, where, why, when, I learned way back in high school journalism class?

Happens all the time.

It's obscured by other, shoddy work by other, shoddy journalists, but it does happen all the time.

72 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:13:50pm

Uh, all y'all I AM tired cause my Meds have kicked in, but listen up: Hillary Clinton is scheduled to be "the big deal" speaker on Tuesday of the Dem Convention and on Wednesday night, Bill Clinton is scheduled to be "the big deal speaker" and Wednesday night is when the VP nominee is scheduled to be presented to the Convention which raps up on Thursday night.
And now this (posted in the spin-off links above):

Clinton on Obama: 'We're on one journey now'

LAS VEGAS - Hillary Rodham Clinton told an exuberant crowd Friday she wants Barack Obama to win the White House, even though he dashed her own presidential dreams - and she wants her supporters to vote that way, too.

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Sen. Obama than Sen. McCain," Clinton told her cheering audience in the Las Vegas suburb of Henderson. "Remember who we were fighting for in my campaign."

Though she has endorsed her former rival, the speech was Clinton's first appearance at a rally for Obama since the two appeared together in Unity, N.H., in June.

In another sign of growing detente between the House of Clinton and the House of Obama, Democrats said Bill Clinton would speak on the third night of this month's national convention in Denver.

The Clintons' efforts on Obama's behalf may ease worries within the party that bad feelings from the long primary battle might erupt at the convention.

She said Friday that "we may have started on two separate paths, but we are on one journey now." She said her long primary campaign against the Illinois senator showed her "his passion, his determination, his grace and his grit."

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

73 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:01pm

Found this elsewhere - explains a little.
[Link: www.france24.com...]

South Ossetia broke from Georgia in the early 1990s. It has since been a constant source of friction between Georgia and Russia, which opposes Tbilisi’s aspirations of joining NATO and has de facto supported the separatists although not recognised their independence.

South Ossetia has long sought unification with North Ossetia, which is inhabited by the same Ossetian ethnic group but ended up across the border in Russia after the 1991 collapse of the Soviet Union.

74 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:09pm

re: #62 Cognito

For what it's worth, while I wouldn't rely on the perfection of every word proceeding from the mainstream press, I certainly wouldn't look to the Internet for higher quality facts.


Crap. Pretend I'm stupid (OK don't pretend). Can you rephrase this?

75 Zimriel  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:15pm

Yes, the American MSM, and Drudge, have dropped the freakin' ball. I had to go to National Review Online and the UK press to pick this up. Ugh!

Feels like we won WW4 just to have WW3 start over, and all we had to defend ourselves with was John Edwards's pockmarked schmekel.

76 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:43pm

re: #72 realwest

This is not a good thing. The pair could beat McCain. Individually, no.

77 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:14:56pm

re: #71 Cognito
I wish I could believe that. I have become quite jaded with the media. We have a war, with Russia involved and the reporting is for naught.

78 slokat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:16:15pm

re: #73 RTLM

My two links in #48 explain a lot more, but they seem to be getting ignored...

79 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:31pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?


If BHO pays off her debts I think it is a possibility. A very low possibility.

My money is still on Hillary pulling a fast one and grabbing the nomination - throwing the dems into turmoil.

80 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:32pm

Just got this email. It's an old joke but a good one.

A teacher in Elmira, New York asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans. Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for little Johnny.

The teacher asked little Johnny why he has decided to be different...

Again Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm not an Obama fan.'

The teacher asked, 'Why aren't you an Obama fan?'

Little Johnny said, 'Because I'm a Republican.'

The teacher asked him why he's a Republican.

Little Johnny answered, 'Well, my Mom's a Republican and my Dad's a Republican, so I'm a Republican.'

Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, 'If your mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?'

With a big smile, little Johnny replied, 'That would make me an Obama fan.'

81 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:40pm

re: #55 pingjockey

There isn't one msm outlet I trust to tell the unvarnished truth anymore. It always has an agenda now, usually slanted left. I guess it has always been that way but with the advent of the computer and the web it is possible to see the obfuscating and outright lies. Just the facts ain't good enough anymore I guess.

My recognition of that started with a hand-painted sign, "Baby Milk Factory."

It was in Iraq, in 1991 - in english.

82 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:42pm

re: #63 RedPepper
Well y'all could be right about that, but I did get it out of a book of Twain's quotes and, btw, when
New York Surrogate Judge Gideon J. Tucker said Legislature he was indeed referring to the NYS legislature (I was a NY attorney for 35 years and an adjunct Associate Professor of Law and used to use that quote in my classroom!).

83 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:17:42pm

re: #74 Racer X

Crap. Pretend I'm stupid (OK don't pretend). Can you rephrase this?

Mainstream press = certainly not always right
"The Internet" = great for cat videos

84 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:18:48pm

re: #73 RTLM

Found this elsewhere - explains a little.
[Link: www.france24.com...]

I'm addicted to the Lonely Planet travel guides, and to travel books about the world's most dangerous places. It sounds to me like Georgia is in many places a terrible place to live, although it's unclear how much of that is due to the troubles caused by Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Still, they were hosting American troops and were interested in joining NATO, which immediately makes me think they're the good guys compared with the resurgent fascist Soviet Union. Still, I recognize the Georgians may have their bad qualities as well. However, when I read reports of thousands of dead in a day, I'd surely appreciate it if the press would decide to show up with a camera to see if this is happening or not, and who's responsible.

85 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:18:52pm

re: #78 slokat

Cool. The damn map wouldn't enlarge though. Very volatile looking region.

86 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:19pm

Night folks. Enjoy your weekend.

87 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:24pm

re: #18 Palandine

I have some insights, but I'm not precisely an expert.

88 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:39pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

He won't choose her, and the Clintons will turn on him like the rabid, power-hungry dogs they are.

I can't wait.

89 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:20:54pm

re: #83 Cognito

Mainstream press = certainly not always right
"The Internet" = great for cat videos

Thats pretty funny.

How do you explain the MSM pretty much ignoring the John Edwards story until he broke down and admitted it?

I know, there was a few little blips here and there, but you have to admit, if this were a republican it would have been front page for the past week.

90 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:21:03pm

God what propaganda!

Georgia broke away from Russia?

The Soviet Union swallowed up the Georgians and the later on the Georgians finally became free from the fucking Soviet Union.

91 jaunte  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:21:03pm

A Russian fighter (supporting the Abkhzian rebels) shot down a Georgian drone over Georgian territory back in April:
"Russia was effectively charged with committing an act of war yesterday after a United Nations report concluded that one of its planes shot down a Georgian reconnaissance aircraft over Georgia last month."
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

92 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:21:42pm

re: #77 pingjockey

We have a war, with Russia involved and the reporting is for naught.

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

93 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:23:00pm

I mean really, The National Enquirer absolutely pwned the MSM.

94 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:23:56pm

re: #89 Racer X

Thats pretty funny.

How do you explain the MSM pretty much ignoring the John Edwards story until he broke down and admitted it?

I know, there was a few little blips here and there, but you have to admit, if this were a republican it would have been front page for the past week.

Oh, of course. The explanation is simply a deep and broad liberal bias. There's also some hesitance to hop on a story first reported by a horrific tabloid, and possibly hesitance to smack someone who isn't anything but a private citizen now.

But really it's just bias.

95 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:07pm

re: #73 RTLM

Do think it is possible Russia will assert also meddle in the Kosovo independence move by cozying up more to the Serbs? I seem to remember them flaunting us at an airfield somewhere there .

Since I hear no real media attention about it. I wonder if we have made a deal with them to clear the way to Iran.

96 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:11pm

re: #54 Mars Needs Neocons

Is the Centro running PalmOS or WM?

Says Palm OS® Garnet v. 5.4.9

?

97 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:18pm

re: #92 Cognito

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

Sorry, I've got to call Bullshit on that. They always have plenty on hand to cover the "atrocities" of the Israelies, every little terrorist jackass flapping their gums in Iraq, the grand Obama world tour, and every anti-Bush pissed off Euroweenie.

What the Fuck are they doing? The olympics and following Obambi on vacation like his own personal fucking lap dogs.

98 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:34pm

“History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid.”

- Dwight D. Eisenhower

99 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:36pm

re: #94 Cognito

Who are you, and what have you done with Cognito?

100 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:39pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

I can't imagine it.

What that question does make me imagine is: Hillary, doing her personal-best imitation of the Terminator, saying to BHO - "Come with me if you want to live!"

/Yes, I said "The Terminator". Think about it ...
//

101 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:24:44pm

re: #67 LeePro Thanks Lee! Course, that was from 2007 and the WSJ article I saw was somewhat more recent and KSA was dropping it's oil production/exports in 2007 while Russia was increasing theirs, but you and Cognito are probably right.

102 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:11pm

re: #78 slokat

My two links in #48 explain a lot more, but they seem to be getting ignored...

Yes this are good links -

The Ossetians are originally descendants of Iranian-speaking tribes from Central Asia. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian influence. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their medieval homeland south of the Don river in present-day Russia and part migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia[9] where they formed three distinct territorial entities.

I think we all have a lot to learn about this thing. Its looking like it might go some distance.

Freaking out of the clear blue this new hot war opens up. Weird.

103 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:23pm

re: #92 Cognito

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

So sad, the powerlessness of AP, AFP, Reuters, BBC, NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, Newsweek, Time, US News and World Report...

104 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:36pm

re: #94 Cognito

Oh, of course. The explanation is simply a deep and broad liberal bias. There's also some hesitance to hop on a story first reported by a horrific tabloid, and possibly hesitance to smack someone who isn't anything but a private citizen now.

But really it's just bias.

Newt Gingrich, Larry Craig, shall I go on? Yes, they're all jackasses, but the press was on these stories before they even got their pants zipped up.
I sometimes like you, but tonight you are completely full of shit.

105 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:41pm

re: #83 Cognito

"The Internet" = great for cat videos

Don't try this at home!

/or this either

106 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:25:55pm

re: #99 Racer X

Who are you, and what have you done with Cognito?

I've always said the same.

Same boy I've always been.

107 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:05pm

re: #96 LeePro

Says Palm OS® Garnet v. 5.4.9

?

Ok, then Graffiti is the text input method with the stylus.

108 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:30pm

re: #60 BlueCanuck

It's the short hand for typing on the Palm handhelds. I have an older model Palm Zire31. Use it for a whole bunch of stuff. Including reading books and novels.

ah.
No, I have full qwerty keyboard, including special characters and real smileys!
;D

109 hazzyday  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:38pm

re: #72 realwest

Does anyone out here think that Hillary will be Obama's running mate?

I think he can win with her. And stands a better chance of losing with almost anyone else.

110 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:44pm

pimf - Those [are good links].

111 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:26:52pm

re: #92 Cognito

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

So what you're saying is, this place where we can get cute kitty videos can also be a really good source of information (with the proper bullshit filtering goggles).

112 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:27:34pm

re: #99 Racer X

Who are you, and what have you done with Cognito?

He's himself. The bias comment was sarcasm.

113 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:28:13pm

re: #112 Mars Needs Neocons

He's himself. The bias comment was sarcasm.

No, it wasn't.

Now I understand your previous comment.

114 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:28:21pm

re: #108 LeePro

ah.
No, I have full qwerty keyboard, including special characters and real smileys!
;D

So do I, but if it has touchscreen it should have a stylus input option.

115 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:28:56pm

re: #113 Cognito

No, it wasn't.

Now I understand your previous comment.

Seriously, then I apologize. It just came off sarcastic.

116 wolfie  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:06pm

re: #76 Mars Needs Neocons

This is not a good thing. The pair could beat McCain. Individually, no.


I dunno, Mars.
There are a lot of independent voters out there who can't stand the Hildebeast. I'm not sure she'd really help him with his "Appalachian problem" and Reagan Democrats.

In any case, I don't think she'll take second spot, even if offered it.
Not unless she's abandoned all hope of being president herself.

117 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:10pm

re: #115 Mars Needs Neocons

Seriously, then I apologize. It just came off sarcastic.

Not in the least.

118 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:36pm

re: #51 LeePro

You are now the appointed night owl! I give up...falling asleep at the keyboard, and I just hate those dents on my face. ;)

Wait a second...you are always online waaaay after I actually go to sleep!

G'nite, all. Sweet dreams.

119 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:37pm

re: #100 RedPepper
Hmmm - all my thinking about it came up with just one thing: John Foster. Does that ring any bells or is it my meds, again?!

120 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:29:59pm

re: #116 wolfie

I dunno, Mars.
There are a lot of independent voters out there who can't stand the Hildebeast. I'm not sure she'd really help him with his "Appalachian problem" and Reagan Democrats.

In any case, I don't think she'll take second spot, even if offered it.
Not unless she's abandoned all hope of being president herself.

If she did, then I'd watch my back if I were him.

121 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:00pm

re: #95 hazzyday

Do think it is possible Russia will assert also meddle in the Kosovo independence move by cozying up more to the Serbs? I seem to remember them flaunting us at an airfield somewhere there .

Since I hear no real media attention about it. I wonder if we have made a deal with them to clear the way to Iran.

I read here today that one of the few oil pipelines that doesn't run through Russia or Iran DOES run through Georgia. Given that the Russians blackmailed Europe earlier this year by threatening to turn off the gas, I find it worrisome that there is an appearance that Russia is trying to control the flow of oil in central Asia and therefore to Europe. It appears that a lot of blood may have been spilled for oil in just one day, but I guess the media isn't interested in investigating this story unless they can hang it on Chimpy McHalliburton.

122 jorline  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:11pm

re: #72 realwest

RW, how are you my friend...you're up late and and giving me nightmares.
Very scary scenario you're painting. I agree, together they will be very hard to beat. I think the strategist within the Democratic party know Obama is incapable of beating McCain alone, but with Hillary and Bill on the ticket....

123 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:32pm

re: #108 LeePro

Okay. You can probably also use the stylus as well. I am pretty quick and good with mine. Three years of practice will do that. :)

124 wolfie  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:31:54pm

re: #78 slokat

My two links in #48 explain a lot more, but they seem to be getting ignored...

No way! (I mean about being ignored!)
Good stuff.

The Causcasus looks about as messy as the Balkans. Ugh.

125 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:32:06pm

re: #97 Mars Needs Neocons

Sorry, I've got to call Bullshit on that. They always have plenty on hand to cover the "atrocities" of the Israelies, every little terrorist jackass flapping their gums in Iraq, the grand Obama world tour, and every anti-Bush pissed off Euroweenie.

What the Fuck are they doing? The olympics and following Obambi on vacation like his own personal fucking lap dogs.

They'll tell you what's going on. They'll tell you what you need to know.

Maybe even threads on the internet are threadjacked into the direction the sock puppet wants.

/tinfoil hat not available

126 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:32:17pm

re: #122 jorline Sorry my friend, but think of MY misfortune! I came up with that stupid idea and now I gotta go to sleep! LOL!

127 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:32:36pm

re: #120 Mars Needs Neocons

If she did, then I'd watch my back if I were him.

If Hillary becomes the VP, Obama had better hire someone to taste his food.

128 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:33:27pm

re: #121 Palandine

It appears that a lot of blood may have been spilled for oil in just one day, but I guess the media isn't interested in investigating this story unless they can hang it on Chimpy McHalliburton.

Nailed it.

129 realwest  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:33:43pm

Well all y'all it's been grand as usual but I HAVE to get to bed now or sleep on my keyboard.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road!


Goodnight, all.

130 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:33:51pm

re: #125 Shay4l

They'll tell you what's going on. They'll tell you what you need to know.

Maybe even threads on the internet are threadjacked into the direction the sock puppet wants.

/tinfoil hat not available

I'm there. It's this shit that's made me stop watching the news. Of course I've got cable now, and there are a lot more interesting things on.

/don't really watch cable either, usually working online.

131 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:34:19pm

re: #127 Racer X

If Hillary becomes the VP, Obama had better hire someone to taste his food.

Ok, the Mikey Moore thread is down one.

132 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:34:47pm

Later RW - hang tough my friend.

133 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:35:32pm

Howdy folks read this info today, thought I would pass it on, if it is true, fill your tanks and your gas cans, it won't be long...

[Link: viewmorepics.myspace.com...]

134 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:35:38pm

Night realwest, weet dreams to you.

135 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:35:44pm

Tv was just talking about a woman staying in the Lincoln bedroom when she heard a knocking on the door. I thought immediately Bill Clinton. Then I remembered I was watching a program on hauntings. Turns out it was just the ghost of Lincoln.

136 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:04pm

re: #90 Shay4l

Quite incorrect. Georgia was incorporated into the Russian Empire during the 18th Century. They made a stab at independence during the chaos surrounding the October Revolution, but due to a very strong Menshevik party - and a certain element of Left SRs - they stuck with the Russian Revolution.

The consolidation period was ugly, to put it mildly. However, the Georgians, prior to 1991, never made made much of an effort to separate from Russia.

137 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:16pm

OOps wrong thread please delete, let me try again!

138 eastvillageinfidel  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:30pm

re: #97 Mars Needs Neocons

That's a very good point. Couldn't someone have been taken off Obama detail and sent to find out about this situation that was clearly developing in Russia? There is no way this happened overnight. The NYT is not interested in oil scandals unless they involve chimpymcbushhitlerburton.

139 jorline  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:42pm

re: #126 realwest

Sorry my friend, but think of MY misfortune! I came up with that stupid idea and now I gotta go to sleep! LOL!

I don't think it's stupid and you be more on target than you think. Obama has fallen apart since he wrapped up the primaries and he's definitely not a show-in at this time.

140 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:44pm

re: #131 Mars Needs Neocons

Ok, the Mikey Moore thread is down one.

Sorry, I skipped that thread. What'd I miss?

141 Yankee Division Son  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:36:49pm

'Nite RW. take care..

142 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:37:25pm

re: #82 realwest

I am suitably impressed! The quote by Judge Tucker has been a favorite of mine ever since I first heard it; actually, it took me some time 'til I was able to hunt down the quote's true origin.

Here is one of my all-time-favorite Twain quotes:

“I have no special regard for Satan; but I can at least claim that I have no prejudice against him. It may even be that I lean a little his way, on account of his not having a fair show. All religions issue bibles against him, but we never hear his side. We have none but the evidence for the prosecution, and yet we have rendered the verdict. To my mind, this is irregular. It is un-English; it is un-American; it is French ... Of course Satan has some kind of a case, it goes without saying. It may be a poor one, but that is nothing; that can be said about any of us.”,/i>

~ Mark Twain, in In Defense of Harriet Shelley and Other Essays

143 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:37:49pm

re: #140 Racer X

Sorry, I skipped that thread. What'd I miss?

I was referring to food taster. For some reason Mikey and food taster seemed to fit. Maybe I should have said that the food taster was discussed down one thread.

144 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:37:50pm

G'night, realwest.

And with that, I'm going to turn in as well. A cool night in the Twin Cities, with hardly a gunshot to be heard (and plenty of police presence after last night's shooting of a five-month-old child), it's going to be good sleeping weather.

The baby is doing fine. Just a flesh wound.

It's a true story. Ask Killian.

145 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:38:49pm

Ok #133 needs to be deleted, try this on, this info (if true) doesn't bode well for us, If true we need to fillour tanks and our gas cans cause it is gonna get ugly....

[Link: europebusines.blogspot.com...]

146 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:39:14pm

re: #124 wolfie

The Caucasus is nowhere near as bad as the Balkans. They're clear on the whole, "Hey, we're surrounded!" bit, and - aside from a few groups like the Azerbaijanis vs. the Armenians (and the Azeris think they're surrounded by the Armenians, to be absolutely fair), they are aware that they need to get along to keep a little freedom.

The Ossetian situation has been fomented as much by Great Russians as by Ossentians.

147 wolfie  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:39:29pm

re: #129 realwest

Goodnight, RW ! :)

148 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:39:50pm

re: #143 Mars Needs Neocons

I was referring to food taster. For some reason Mikey and food taster seemed to fit. Maybe I should have said that the food taster was discussed down one thread.

Ahh. So if Obama hires Mikey as his food taster, Obama would certainly lose some weight.

149 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:40:02pm

re: #136 Dianna
Thank You for that instruction. Were they independent before theperiod you mention?

150 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:40:18pm

I would like to once again state. Everyone who can should download the GOP toolbar from Freecause. Already today I have generated .48 in donation revenue. I can't donate because of my lack of income, but this is the least I can do while I still have internet.

151 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:41:45pm

re: #148 Racer X

Ahh. So if Obama hires Mikey as his food taster, Obama would certainly lose some weight.

lol

152 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:42:19pm

Gad, what am I saying! They were absorbed in the 1800's so they don't deserve independence? That's sick!

153 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:43:23pm

re: #149 Shay4l

Yes. Georgia is sometimes referred to as "The land of princes."

Georgia has a long, glorious and very bloody history. Start with Wiki, look at their sources, and start reading.

154 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:11pm

re: #145 Marvo76

Sorry dude - I call bullshit.

155 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:15pm

re: #152 Shay4l

That's not what I'm saying, nor you, either.

It's just important to know your facts before spouting off.

156 pat  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:15pm

Thanks to all on the Ossetia stuff. Sounds like an interesting ethnic group. Will check out those links.

157 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:44:27pm

re: #119 realwest

Hmmm - all my thinking about it came up with just one thing: John Foster. Does that ring any bells or is it my meds, again?!

"Come with me if you want to live!" was actually said by Kyle Reese (played by Michael Biehn).

But it would have been a "Killer" (sorry!) ploy, in slightly different circumstances, if that come-on had been used by the Terminator ... IMHO.

158 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:45:03pm

re: #154 Racer X

Very briefly, why?

I'm talking Russia and Georgia, so I didn't click Marvo's link.

159 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:45:59pm

re: #155 Dianna

That's not what I'm saying, nor you, either.

It's just important to know your facts before spouting off.


Of course, you're right. I'll check it out.

160 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:46:24pm

re: #157 RedPepper

"Come with me if you want to live!" was actually said by Kyle Reese (played by Michael Biehn).

But it would have been a "Killer" (sorry!) ploy, in slightly different circumstances, if that come-on had been used by the Terminator ... IMHO.

Second film it was.

161 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:46:29pm

re: #156 pat

Do!

The Ossetians do not see themselves as Georgian, but as an absorbed ethnic group during the periods when Georgia was a player in Byzantine and Black Sea politics.

Anyone who's really interested should try looking at the history of Trebizond.

162 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:47:29pm

And, BTW, GoodNight, RW ... catch you down the road. Sweet dreams ...

163 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:48:04pm

I apologize, but I need to get up early tomorrow (I have to take my mom to the airport, and that's a major boo-hoo), so I shall have to duck out soon.

164 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:48:14pm

re: #154 Racer X

Sorry dude - I call bullshit.

Ok we know Israel is getting ready to do their thing, they have already said in published articles that they may strike "with or without" American consensus, Iran has already said what they would do if attacked. If I remember correctly the deployments for the carriers has been about 9 months, If memory serves it has only been about 6 since the last changing of the guard on station. I would welcome your reasoning...

165 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:49:00pm

re: #158 Dianna

Very briefly, why?

I'm talking Russia and Georgia, so I didn't click Marvo's link.

It appears to be from a troofer perspective. The author cannot even spell "USS Ronald Reagon".

166 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:49:43pm

re: #160 Mars Needs Neocons

Good point! I'd forgotten that - I was thinking about the original movie.

167 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:50:04pm

there is some info about russia/Georgia on that link as well, one part quotes a source that says Israel has 1000 troops in Georgia and they are helping in the fighting...

168 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:50:50pm

re: #166 RedPepper

Good point! I'd forgotten that - I was thinking about the original movie.

I know most people are burned out, but the new movie preview looks mind blowing.
The future was changed in a really freaky way. Movie looks almost like a horror film.

169 jorline  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:07pm

re: #161 Dianna

Do!

The Ossetians do not see themselves as Georgian, but as an absorbed ethnic group during the periods when Georgia was a player in Byzantine and Black Sea politics.

Anyone who's really interested should try looking at the history of Trebizond.

I know it's time for bed...I thought your first sentence said...The Olstein's, as in Joel.

Nite all!

170 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:20pm

re: #164 Marvo76

It is very possible we have carrier movement towards Iran. It is possible we are heading for a conflict with Iran. Doom and gloom with zero gas supplies? Please.

171 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:20pm

Georgia is bringing back 1,000 of its 2,000 troops from Iraq - right now. The best trained, most battle hardened troops they have.

172 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:51:39pm

Uhm you criticize it because of the spelling? If spelling alone was the reason, then more than half of what you read in the news would be BS I find spelling errors all the time in the paper.

173 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:52:45pm

re: #170 Racer X

It is very possible we have carrier movement towards Iran. It is possible we are heading for a conflict with Iran. Doom and gloom with zero gas supplies? Please.

NOt zero, but at prices double what they are today, which put it out of the reach of most folks on limited income, that is why I say fill up now, it won't last very long because the paper tiger that is Iran will fold quickly...

174 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:52:50pm

re: #170 Racer X

It is very possible we have carrier movement towards Iran. It is possible we are heading for a conflict with Iran. Doom and gloom with zero gas supplies? Please.

I think it should be easy to fact check at least part of the article. Does the DEBKA site really say what the article says? Is DEBKA reliable?

175 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:53:11pm

re: #168 Mars Needs Neocons

I'm a sucker for alternate-reality scenarios. Old-school Sci-Fi fan ...

176 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:53:17pm

re: #171 RTLM

Remember, they've been rotating through Iraq, with American training. There are American advisers in Georgia.

I wonder what would happen if we gave them air cover and let them go to town. Russian logistics are not exactly stellar, at the moment.

177 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:53:32pm

re: #172 Marvo76

Uhm you criticize it because of the spelling? If spelling alone was the reason, then more than half of what you read in the news would be BS I find spelling errors all the time in the paper.

It's more than that.

I sense troofer cooties.

178 freetoken  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:03pm

re: #171 RTLM

Is this a way for them to signal to GWB that they expect the US to weigh in on this matter, with more than just a statement at at a State Dept briefing?

179 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:09pm

re: #174 Mars Needs Neocons

DEBKA is always interesting, but seldom a rock-solid source.

180 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:13pm

re: #172 Marvo76

I turned off the minute the writer stated that the neo-cons were looking to commit an act of war by starting a blockade. I don't think he knows what he's talking about and is just jumping to conclusions.

/time to shed some light on the situation.

181 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:54:20pm

I'm off too, Dianna. It's been a long and un-edifying day, and I think I'll watch a little Mystery Science Theter 3000 to cheer myself up before bed.

Your insights are greatly appreciated. If this conflict continues, I suppose things may become clearer, but I get easily frustrated by ambiguity. I'd love to know who I should be rooting for, and if there's any indication how long this will go on or if it will spread, but I'll have to be content with shades of grey for now. I have a lot to think about. I will say this--ethnic conflicts suck. We're so lucky in this country to have a melting pot, even if at times it is imperfect. I'd prefer to think this is Russia land-grabbing to control oil rather than the same old hatreds, but I guess there's no reason it can't be both, and it'll be interesting to see what becomes clearer in upcoming days.

182 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:55:09pm

re: #175 RedPepper

I'm a sucker for alternate-reality scenarios. Old-school Sci-Fi fan ...

Me too.

183 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:55:19pm

I liked the Barcelona games opening ceremony where they shot the flaming arrow to light the torch.

184 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:55:21pm

re: #174 Mars Needs Neocons

I think it should be easy to fact check at least part of the article. Does the DEBKA site really say what the article says? Is DEBKA reliable?

DEBKA is an intel site, and as such it is responsible for putting out good and bad info on purpose to confuse the "enemy". They do have some good insights on this kind of thing but the article isn't just from one source....

185 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:00pm

re: #178 freetoken

Georgia's an ally. Unless we're planning wholesale betrayal, we better do more than some little condemnatory statement.

We have problems in supplying Georgian materiel needs, or even air support, given what lies between (say) Afghanistan and Georgia, but we definitely owe the Georgians, big time.

The Russians? Not so much.

186 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:05pm

re: #179 Dianna

DEBKA is always interesting, but seldom a rock-solid source.

Also I have just been at Debkafile and I wasn't able to find anything like the quote on that site.

187 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:05pm

re: #184 Marvo76

DEBKA is an intel site, and as such it is responsible for putting out good and bad info on purpose to confuse the "enemy". They do have some good insights on this kind of thing but the article isn't just from one source....

OH HO

188 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:56:30pm

I am a hatchling only been here about 3 weeks, enlighten me on what a trofer is?

189 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:57:26pm

re: #181 Palandine

Just one small point - support the Georgians. They're the least sucky side in all this.

You do not want Russia back in expansionist totalitarian mode, and that's where they're heading with this.

190 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:57:28pm

re: #7 LeePro

hi, y'all. i'm on cellphone.

I tried that once. The buzz was lousy, and it made me feel all jittery and paranoid.
/

191 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:57:30pm

re: #184 Marvo76

DEBKA is an intel site, and as such it is responsible for putting out good and bad info on purpose to confuse the "enemy". They do have some good insights on this kind of thing but the article isn't just from one source....

I'm aware of that, but that is the one small part that would be easiest to confirm right off. I know that many lizards are familiar with Debka, so it would be easier to check that part of the article than chasing down various sources that may or may not exist.

192 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:58:00pm

Also the front page of DEBKA isn't that comprehensive and they have a pay site that goes into more detail and has more stories, could be from that section of it...I will check it now

193 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:58:30pm

re: #188 Marvo76

Troofer = believer in 9/11 conspiracy bull[bleep!].

194 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:58:31pm

re: #188 Marvo76

9/11 conspiracist.

195 Palandine  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:30pm

re: #189 Dianna

True that. As I said upthread, I automatically lean toward them because they allowed our troops in, fought in Iraq, and want to be in NATO.

196 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:38pm

re: #176 Dianna

Remember, they've been rotating through Iraq, with American training. There are American advisers in Georgia.

I wonder what would happen if we gave them air cover and let them go to town. Russian logistics are not exactly stellar, at the moment.

Thats very true. The Russian's only supply line is over the Caucasus into South Ossetia. It will be shut come winter. But thats a long time from now - Late September/early Oct. The Georgians need to shut it now.

If I were a decision maker in the Pentagon, I'd be getting as many Predator and Reaper units into Georgia as soon as effing possible.

197 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:47pm
Last year, the Georgian president commissioned from private Israeli security firms several hundred military advisers, estimated at up to 1,000, to train the Georgian armed forces in commando, air, sea, armored and artillery combat tactics. They also offer instruction on military intelligence and security for the central regime. Tbilisi also purchased weapons, intelligence and electronic warfare systems from Israel. These advisers were undoubtedly deeply involved in the Georgian army’s preparations to conquer the South Ossetian capital Friday.

That's what Debkafile actually says about the 1000 Israeli "forces" in the region.

198 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 10:59:50pm

I really have to go to bed. To say nothing of needing a shower before I jump into bed, because I'm sweaty and smell slightly like a nanny goat.

Take care, all!

199 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:00:28pm

re: #184 Marvo76

Dude.

The comments over there are, uh, typical lefty troofer slant.

Dictator Bush just wont be happy until he completely runs the US right into the ground. Way to go there Dictator Bush!

This time, if it happens, you can expect biological and chemical attacks inside the United States and the UK, and France. This is what George W. Bush has brought to the world.

My favorite:

Russia has weapons know as cosmospheres that would defeat any thing known to man.

Have you got another source?

200 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:01:11pm

re: #196 RTLM

I so wish I could stay up and chat about this. You're right. I'm arguing this point with friends in person - they keep talking about rail ties. I'm...not so sure.

Please keep thinking about this.

201 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:01:18pm

I'm not going to discard this story out of hand, but I know I have seen the 48 hour rule invoked for stories like this and with Debka in particular.

202 Cognito  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:02:23pm

I would like to declare that, from here on out, much of what I say may or may not be factual. But don't worry: I'm just trying to confuse the enemy. It's "intel."

203 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:02:53pm

re: #197 Mars Needs Neocons

That's what Debkafile actually says about the 1000 Israeli "forces" in the region.

Aren't all Israeli citizens "military" in that they served a certain term? So doesn't that make the statement about the private security firms having Israeli military people a bit disingenuous?

204 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:03:05pm

re: #202 Cognito

I would like to declare that, from here on out, much of what I say may or may not be factual. But don't worry: I'm just trying to confuse the enemy. It's "intel."

lol

205 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:03:10pm

re: #202 Cognito

ROFLMAO!

206 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:03:35pm

re: #198 Dianna

... I ... smell slightly like a nanny goat.

Now that's just guaranteed to attract the wrong sort of guy ...

///

207 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:04:06pm

[Link: www.debka.com...]
Here is where he got this info from, left wing slant I noticed but that doesn't take away from the info in the article. Just a lot of snide comments...typical for a liberal...but I agree with the 48 hour rule...

208 Mars Needs Neocons  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:04:17pm

re: #199 Racer X

Dude.

The comments over there are, uh, typical lefty troofer slant.

Have you got another source?

Damn, I didn't even look at the comments, and I tend to criticize those that don't.

209 Dianna  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:05:03pm

re: #206 RedPepper

Fortunately, my Male also smells pretty goat-like, tonight.

Hard session in martial arts.

210 stevedecatur  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:05:06pm

[Link: sports.yahoo.com...]


I like this unintentional Greater Israel map Yahoo! Sports is using, would probably piss off a few Islamics.

211 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:05:53pm

re: #203 Mars Needs Neocons

Aren't all Israeli citizens "military" in that they served a certain term? So doesn't that make the statement about the private security firms having Israeli military people a bit disingenuous?

Israeli military folks do get farmed out for security duty, saw that on one of the cable channels about Krav naga (sp?) the israeli martial arts training.

212 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:06:00pm

re: #192 Marvo76

Marvo,

I think this falls under the "stick to the kitty videos" part of the internets.

While this conspiracy theory may have some valid points, I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom outcome presented by the author.

The U.S. still knows how to kick some ass.

213 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:06:27pm

re: #209 Dianna

As they say, whatever gets you the night ... (S)weet dreams.

214 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:08:28pm

re: #213 RedPepper

... thru the night ... (PIMF!)

215 RTLM  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:08:29pm

Has anyone else had no luck DVR-ing the Olympics? We went out to dinner and I set the DVR to record the big show. I fired up this thing and it told me that this is an "Unrecordable Channel"

Crap.

216 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:09:47pm

re: #212 Racer X

Marvo,

I think this falls under the "stick to the kitty videos" part of the internets.

While this conspiracy theory may have some valid points, I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom outcome presented by the author.

The U.S. still knows how to kick some ass.

I agree with you on that, I think (having served in Uncle sam's canoe club) that with that level of firepower being brought to bear they can do a good job of putting a credible naval blockade, and wiping out most of the Iranian military within a day or two. I don't think they will make the same mistake of sending "one of the best telegraphed punches" like they did during shock and awe...probably right after a quick Israeli raid....

217 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:10:28pm

re: #215 RTLM

Has anyone else had no luck DVR-ing the Olympics? We went out to dinner and I set the DVR to record the big show. I fired up this thing and it told me that this is an "Unrecordable Channel"

Crap.

That sucks!

I watched most of the opening. I DVRd it as well. Will check to see if it is viewable.

218 RedPepper  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:10:37pm

re: #215 RTLM

All your lympics r belong 2 us!

/Nitol!

219 Bobibutu  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:12:01pm

Anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan on the ballot

She made it ... now chompin' at the bit to debate Nan and hold her feet to the fire.

220 Racer X  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:12:03pm

re: #216 Marvo76

Agreed.

48 hour rule definitely in effect.

Could also be part of that "diplomacy" Bush has been talking about lately. Heh.

221 Archimedes  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:12:25pm

What manner of a man are you who can summons fire from his hands without the aid of flint nor tinder?

223 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:16:31pm

re: #188 Marvo76

I am a hatchling only been here about 3 weeks, enlighten me on what a trofer is?

"Troofers" (think of a moron saying "truth") are the morons who believe that someone other than Islamic militants was responsible for the 9-11 attacks, usually "Chimpy McHitlerburton" or "Zionists:.

224 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:21:49pm

re: #101 realwest

Thanks Lee! Course, that was from 2007 and the WSJ article I saw was somewhat more recent and KSA was dropping it's oil production/exports in 2007 while Russia was increasing theirs, but you and Cognito are probably right.

Your comment:

#37 realwest 8/08/2008 9:59:07 pm PDT

re: #28 Cognito Well I be waay to tired to go grab the link Cog, but feel free to - I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago, if that helps give you a starting point.

"...I saw it in the WSJ On-Line edition less than a year ago" sounds like 2007 to me.

225 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:22:47pm

re: #199 Racer X

The comments over there are, uh, typical lefty troofer slant.

My Favorite:

Russia has weapons know as cosmospheres that would defeat any thing known to man.

In this regard, the rogue state of Kansas must also be feared.
/

226 BlueCanuck  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:24:42pm

Well lizards. Time for me to hit the sack and try to catch up on some sleep. Have yourselves a good one and sleep well.

/stay scaly.

227 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:26:11pm

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons

Ok, then Graffiti is the text input method with the stylus.

You mean like they had back in the '90s? I have full qwerty keyboard. Haven't seen any reference to "Graffiti" in documentation.

228 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:27:21pm

re: #226 BlueCanuck

Right back at ya, Blue.

229 Clemente  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:27:31pm

re: #188 Marvo76

I am a hatchling only been here about 3 weeks, enlighten me on what a trofer is?

Fascinating that you should ask. One could Google the word, if only one knew how. Unless, of course, the question arose from motives other than simple curiosity and mental inertia.

230 freetoken  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:27:35pm

A Russian perspective:

S.Ossetia says over 1,000 dead after Georgian attack

MOSCOW, August 8 (RIA Novosti) - Over 1,000 civilians have been killed as the result of an attack by Georgia on the capital of its breakaway republic of South Ossetia, the North Ossetian nationalities minister said Friday.

"According to the South Ossetian information and press committee, the number of fatalities is estimated, according to preliminary information, at over 1,000," Teimuraz Kasayev said.

North Ossetia is part of Russia. [...]

The statement also said that most of the city had been devastated by the Georgian military attack, which left the hospital destroyed and the republic's university on fire.

231 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:32:20pm

If the name Ossetia sounds familiar to you lizards for some reason but you just can't put your finger on it...think back a few years to September, 2004.

Beslan is in North Ossetia.

232 Shay4l  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:33:36pm

so...if that tunnel were blocked, they couldn't resupply their tanks?

233 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:39:35pm

re: #190 Slumbering Behemoth

I tried that once. The buzz was lousy, and it made me feel all jittery and paranoid.
/

LOL

And yes, I'm about an hour behind on reading comments. Almost caught up............................

234 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:43:49pm

re: #233 LeePro

And yes, I'm about an hour behind on reading comments. Almost caught up.

Story of my life. I've just been skipping around and commenting on stuff that strikes me as funny. In a good way.

So, I've missed the whole story, but how did your dental thing go?

235 LeePro  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:50:43pm

re: #234 Slumbering Behemoth

Story of my life. I've just been skipping around and commenting on stuff that strikes me as funny. In a good way.

So, I've missed the whole story, but how did your dental thing go?

Wow (for me)! That's the fastest hour on record.

Dental: most uppers gone, big plastic thing in my mouth with fake teeth on it. Talking with pronounced lisp now, and eating (while not as painful as before) is no longer one of life's pleasures. IOW, just ducky.

They tell me it will get better. Waiting...

236 Marvo76  Fri, Aug 8, 2008 11:55:27pm

re: #229 Clemente

I don't google I don't like them or what they stand for... I know it kinda limits me, but why click on them and make them any richer? besides I figured I might get the better answer here...

237 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:02:38am

The Obama Salute

George Bush had his three-fingered W salute that supporters flashed when greeting him at presidential campaign events in 2000. And now, if a Los Angeles creative agency gets its way, Sen. Barack Obama will see fans meet him with his own salute like the one above. "Our goal is to see a crowd of 75,000 people at Obama's nomination speech holding their hands above their heads, fingers laced together in support of a new direction for this country, a renewed hope, and acceptance of responsibility for our future,"

The Obama camp can now consider themselves officially encrazed.

A salute? No. But it would be a perfect lapel pin for Obamatron Nation.

238 LeePro  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:06:43am

Bedtime!

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

239 Slumbering Behemoth  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:09:29am

re: #235 LeePro

....and eating (while not as painful as before) is no longer one of life's pleasures.

I am truly sorry to hear that part (NO sarc). Though I am not nearly as large as my nic, and "foodiness" might suggest, food is just about my favorite thing, ever.

I do hope it gets better for you. Eating is not only a joy of flavor and sustenance, it also an experience that brings people together and forms bonds.

I hope you feel better soon, LeePro. G'nite.

240 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:12:58am

Saw this elsewhere - too good not to share.

"Society today is composed of two distinct species. The first, Homo sapiens...what we consider to be normal intelligent logical people who understand cause and effect, people that understand nothing is free and everthing costs something.
The second species is Homo Stupidicus. This species believes that they are entiteled to have all the wonderful things in life but that they should not have to work for it. They believe that they should not have to risk anything but still reap success. They believe that government can create money out of thin air and should give it to everyone that doesn’t have enough.
Homo Stupidicus has grown, prospered and bred to become a majority of the populace because Homo Sapiens had a minor brain fart and created welfare, social security and modern medicine. Prior to these inventions Homo Stupidicus rarely lived long enough to breed.
We have shortcircuited the filter in the gene pool....Homo Stupidicus is now breeding rampantly and has reached a critical mass where the members of this species outnumber Homo Sapiens. They continue to demand more and more from the productive species while becoming less and less capable of self control, self direction, self reliance and at times self awareness.
The two species are virtually indistinguishable physically. You cannot determine which species you are confronted with by simply looking at them. You have to listen to them to find out whether they are sapient...intelligent, or stupidicus. Homo Stupidicus will invariably make their presence know by the socialistic bleatings they utter.
Most Homo Sapiens are politically conservative or independent. Homo Stupidicus is almost exclusively liberal or apolitical....meaning they don’t care who is in charge as long as the food stamps and welfare check shows up every month."

241 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:41:09am

re: #9 Bubblehead II

Tis easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission. Once on any particular offense in a command.

/personal experience %-)

242 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 12:50:09am

re: #215 RTLM

Has anyone else had no luck DVR-ing the Olympics? We went out to dinner and I set the DVR to record the big show. I fired up this thing and it told me that this is an "Unrecordable Channel"

Crap.

then don't bother watching it....

/do the world a favor

243 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:07:54am

so anyway, there i was, largish scotch & water in hand, bordom on the mind, and Blue's "well hidden fridge" in sight........

what to do?

BIAB, after i dig in the goodie bag. %-)

244 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:08:15am

re: #231 Colonel Panik

If the name Ossetia sounds familiar to you lizards for some reason but you just can't put your finger on it...think back a few years to September, 2004.

Beslan is in North Ossetia
.

Oh my. That hadn't occurred to me. That squares with the report of mass volunteer fighters crossing into Georgia - against Georgia.

Hundreds, possibly thousands, of volunteer fighters from Russia were mobilising to enter the war in Georgia's breakaway republic of South Ossetia last night.

Units of armed Cossacks from across the North Caucasus region which borders Georgia were poised to join the battle for the separatists' capital, Tskhinvali.

Under Russia law, Cossacks - the descendants of runaway serfs and outlaws who in the past were employed to protect the country's southern border - are allowed to carry arms and carry out policing functions in cooperation with interior ministry forces.

Cossacks are historically Orthodox Christian.

245 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:12:39am

re: #244 RTLM

Cossacks are historically Orthodox Christian.

nothing good will come of these events.

(and i'm not referencing the religions, at least off the top.)

246 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:36:27am

so anyway, now that i've killed the thread, anyone wanna play Asteroids?

247 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:37:31am

would have poasted that a damn site sooner, but AT&T is a crappy ISP.

/take my word for it.

248 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:38:02am

CHANGE?

/drink!

249 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:39:51am

I CHANGEd my regular Coke to a Cuba Libre, does that count?

250 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:41:07am

American tourist attacked and killed in Beijing: state media

A Chinese man on Saturday attacked and killed an American tourist in central Beijing, one day after the Olympic Games opened in the Chinese capital, the state-run Xinhua news agency reported.

The man attacked two Americans as well as their Chinese guide at the historic Drum Tower monument, a popular tourist site, Xinhua said.

One tourist was killed in the attack and the other two people were injured, said Xinhua. The assailant then committed suicide by jumping off the second story of the monument, according to the agency

The report gave no details as to the nature of the attack, or the motive.

Obviously with a knife. Sounds familiar.

251 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:48:33am

re: #250 RTLM

American tourist attacked and killed in Beijing: state media

Obviously with a knife. Sounds familiar.

knives are scary: you have to be in shape, well aware and well trained to deal with them up close.

i prefer the 21 foot rule for people with edged weapons.

252 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 1:49:03am

re: #249 Fenway_Nation

I CHANGEd my regular Coke to a Cuba Libre, does that count?

only if you pour me a double!

253 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:00:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

/*Today's special fruit and dip treat courtesy of Ma Sands.

254 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:02:04am

Lime is a fruit, isn't it?

Does that make my Cuba Librea a pseudo fruitcup?

255 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:05:25am

Fenway! :-)

Okay. Anything with fruit is a "fruitcup".

/who says I can't make up the rules as I go along...?

;-)

256 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:08:16am

re: #253 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

/*Today's special fruit and dip treat courtesy of Ma Sands.

who needs fruitcup when you can have ice cream?

/only thing better is home made, and that's a vote. %-)

257 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:08:56am

re: #253 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet -------------->
Help yourselves!

/*Today's special fruit and dip treat courtesy of Ma Sands.

Y'know, I was thinking that a fruit cup would be the best thing ever - right now.

:)

258 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:10:23am

re: #257 RTLM

Y'know, I was thinking that a fruit cup would be the best thing ever - right now.

:)

then you never considered a martini, did you?

duh.

259 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:10:28am

re: #256 redc1c4

red! :-)

Do they have coffee ice cream?

/two birds; one stone

260 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:10:50am

RTLM! :-)

261 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:13:25am

re: #258 redc1c4

then you never considered a martini, did you?

duh.

Heh!

/Cabernet is less toxic and next-day debilitating.

262 Alberta Oil Peon  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:15:56am

re: #237 RTLM

The Obama Salute

The Obama camp can now consider themselves officially encrazed.

A salute? No. But it would be a perfect lapel pin for Obamatron Nation.

I've seen pics of that. I'd like to propose that we label it the "Ogina".
Rhymes with (say it with me, folks).....

263 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:16:45am

re: #262 Alberta Oil Peon

BAD BOY! ;-)

Alberta Oil Peon!

264 thelongblogger  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:18:04am

How did it ever get to be two in the morning?

My clock must be broken!

Oh, well... I'll have one of those strawberries and go to bed.

Thanks, littleoldlady (and MA Sands)

265 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:20:03am

'Night, thelongblogger! :-)

/it's nearly 5:30 here...

266 Fenway_Nation  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:30:08am

re: #262 Alberta Oil Peon

Regina, Saskatchewan?

267 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:32:06am

re: #261 RTLM

Heh!

/Cabernet is less toxic and next-day debilitating.

Zinfandel!
party on!

268 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:37:01am

re: #261 RTLM

Heh!

/Cabernet is less toxic and next-day debilitating.

that reminds me: did you ever get gifted with the martini.xls file?

nic is blue if you didn't. %-)

/OPSEC

269 bp sf  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 2:49:25am

How much would America pay for a John Edwards Maury Povich pay-per-view event? $29.95? $49.95?


(opening envelope)


"John, you ARE the father!"

Now that I'd pay for. And watch the tape over and over.

270 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:05:10am

There's a war in Georgia going on and Fox leads with John Edwards?

271 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:14:26am

re: #270 MandyManners

There's a war in Georgia going on and Fox leads with John Edwards?

The war in Georgia started yesterday. There's just no reliable media in there yet.

Edwards will go away quietly.

272 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:15:21am

re: #270 MandyManners

Could be worse. Could be Brittany...

273 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:22:55am

re: #271 RTLM

The war in Georgia started yesterday. There's just no reliable media in there yet.

Edwards will go away quietly.

They didn't even mention the war!

Somehow I don't think this Edwards issue is gonna' fade away.

274 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:25:25am

re: #272 littleoldlady

Could be worse. Could be Brittany...

She's had her 15 minutes.

275 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:27:19am

There is a very bad update on the American tourest who was murdered in Beijing. The person killed was a relative of a USA Volleyball Coach.

276 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:31:37am

re: #273 MandyManners

They didn't even mention the war!

Somehow I don't think this Edwards issue is gonna' fade away.

Mandy,
Fox covered it all day. Nobody really knows anything yet. Hopefully it will calm down once enough Russian conscripts decide they don't wanna fight a society of determined citizens.

And I meant Edwards will fade - not is issues.

277 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:32:31am

re: #275 RTLM

There is a very bad update on the American tourest who was murdered in Beijing. The person killed was a relative of a USA Volleyball Coach.

Committed suicide? I wonder if he's a Uighur.

278 Luigi  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:32:44am

Tigerhawk covers the Russian invasion of Georgia/South Ossetia, making a number of salient points, not the least of which is about our credibility in aiding our allies. (Georgia has 2000 troops in Iraq.)

Tigerhawk also points out that the invasion may serve the Russians as a rear guard action against a Western attack on their important ally Iran. My opinion here, but I've always believed that Iran is supposed to nuke us for the Russians since their religious practices compel them to take the doctrine of Mutually Assured Destruction as an incentive.

[Link: tigerhawk.blogspot.com...]

Here is a CNN story that constantly refers to the Russian invasion as an effort to restore peace. Since it's a leftist action against American interests, Orwell is automatically put in charge of the truth at CNN and the Kremlin.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

War is peace.

Have a nice day.

279 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:33:39am

re: #276 RTLM

Mandy,
Fox covered it all day. Nobody really knows anything yet. Hopefully it will calm down once enough Russian conscripts decide they don't wanna fight a society of determined citizens.

And I meant Edwards will fade - not is issues.

A revolt in the army?!

280 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:34:18am

re: #277 MandyManners

Committed suicide? I wonder if he's a Uighur.

I wonder if his cousin was on a Greyhound Bus in Canada last week.

281 RTLM  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:37:22am

re: #279 MandyManners

A revolt in the army?!

No, just passive aggressive laziness. Broken equipment, squabbling in the ranks, leaks in the roof, etc....

Typical conscript behavior - Losers all.

282 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:42:31am

re: #280 RTLM

I wonder if his cousin was on a Greyhound Bus in Canada last week.

SJS.

283 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:43:11am

re: #281 RTLM

No, just passive aggressive laziness. Broken equipment, squabbling in the ranks, leaks in the roof, etc....

Typical conscript behavior - Losers all.

Well, life must be hard in the once-great Soviet army.

284 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:49:50am

Going back to bed.

285 redc1c4  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:52:36am

re: #283 MandyManners

Well, life must be hard in the once-great Soviet army.

they were never that great, just numerous.

"Quantity has quality all it's own."

/AirLand Battle

286 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:54:32am

Hiya Red, and Mandy, anyone else around? Anyone seen Miguel lately?

287 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:55:49am

re: #286 coquimbojoe

joe! :-)

I haven't heard from Miguel since last Friday. :-( :-( :-(

288 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:57:17am

re: #287 littleoldlady

joe! :-)

I haven't heard from Miguel since last Friday. :-( :-( :-(

How is he doing (how are you doing?) i have been moving this week and still don't have internet at home....

289 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 3:57:57am

I am having LGF withdrawels... and I will be away on business all next week without the ability to post...

290 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:00:08am

Somebody put up a spinoff link from Kos written by a disappointed Edwards supporter. Aside from his/her understandable bitterness, this person made a very important point that I didn't even think of:

Edwards said he admitted the affair to his wife in 2006. They both knew about it. And yet, he ran for President.

That takes an enormous amount of...je ne sais quoi...arrogance? stupidity? delusion?

/having trouble wrapping my brain around that...

291 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:01:05am

re: #288 coquimbojoe

I don't know how he's doing. Well, I hope (I PRAY!)

Good luck with your move! :-)

292 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:04:42am

re: #291 littleoldlady

I don't know how he's doing. Well, I hope (I PRAY!)

Good luck with your move! :-)

Move complete minus the cats. They are coming tomorrow. Now all that remains is the unpacking decorating and organizing, and starting to feed the children from someplace other than Taco Bell!

I need to track down Realwest and see if he can pass on my best wishes to Migs. Anyhow, It is four AM here in Vegas and time for bed...

Have a greast day LOL and the rest of the Lizardim...

293 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:06:50am

re: #290 littleoldlady

Somebody put up a spinoff link from Kos written by a disappointed Edwards supporter. Aside from his/her understandable bitterness, this person made a very important point that I didn't even think of:

Edwards said he admitted the affair to his wife in 2006. They both knew about it. And yet, he ran for President.

That takes an enormous amount of...je ne sais quoi...arrogance? stupidity? delusion?

/having trouble wrapping my brain around that...

Oh, If we could power the electrical grid on hubris and arrogance, Obama and Silky are the Saudi Arabia of self importance; and we could be energy independent for the next 200 years!

294 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:07:59am

re: #290 littleoldlady

Somebody put up a spinoff link from Kos written by a disappointed Edwards supporter. Aside from his/her understandable bitterness, this person made a very important point that I didn't even think of:

Edwards said he admitted the affair to his wife in 2006. They both knew about it. And yet, he ran for President.

That takes an enormous amount of...je ne sais quoi...arrogance? stupidity? delusion?

/having trouble wrapping my brain around that...

For such a giant pantloads, Edwards and Obama are the biggest lightweights out there!

295 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:08:29am

re: #293 coquimbojoe

GAH! I think you've hot upon the (finally successful) Democratic energy plan! ;-)

I'll send Miguel your regards in my morning email to him. :-)

296 buzzdroid  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:09:37am

things are looking bad for Georgia... looks like the Russians are moving en-masse into South Ossetia...

Russian jets are bombing targets within Georgia itself.

297 littleoldlady  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:09:46am

hit upon

/she meant to type...

Typos mean it's time to get moving.

Good day, ALL!™

298 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:09:48am

re: #295 littleoldlady

GAH! I think you've hot upon the (finally successful) Democratic energy plan! ;-)

I'll send Miguel your regards in my morning email to him. :-)

Thank you! Please tell him he is in my prayers.

299 coquimbojoe  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:21:51am

re: #92 Cognito

Unfortunately we're beginning to reap the harvest. Our previously strong, independent (and yes, often biased) media is rapidly fading, and nothing has replaced it. So massive, seismic events around the world aren't being adequately covered. If at all.

Turns out "down with the MSM!" isn't such a great rallying cry.

Pull your head out of your butt. What do you think LGF is doing and so many others?

300 Egfrow  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:40:29am

AP writes a gloating article about the ChiComs arrival to the world stage and it's upcoming dominance of the world.

301 laZardo  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:41:27am

Gyuuuuuuuuuud evening, y'all...

302 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:46:13am

#300 Egfrow

who listens to the Associated Putz any more?

303 Egfrow  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:51:51am

re: #302 Jewels (AKA Julian)

#300 Egfrow

who listens to the Associated Putz any more?

Pretty much all the MSM.

304 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 4:57:06am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. So much for the safest Olympics ever:

An American tourist has been killed at the Olympic Games in China. A knife-wielding Chinese man attacked two relatives of a coach for the U.S. Olympic men's volleyball team at a tourist site in Beijing, killing one and injuring the other on the first day of the Olympics on Saturday, team officials and state media said.

Sad. Even with the massive amounts of security available, this kind of thing can still happen. Thoughts and prayers go out to their family.

305 tokyobk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:01:18am
...But being 99% honest is no longer enough...

You gotta love John Edwards. LOL. I cannot wait for the chance to use that line when trying to get out of something.

306 Tigger2005  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:17:42am

I recently went to Ukraine, Lviv specifically, to meet ladies. Such an old and run-down city, but lovely in a way, and nice people, very Westernized in that half of the country. My hosts (the wife is Ukrainian, the husband is from Canada) have two beautiful little daughters.

The husband and I talked about politics a bit and he mentioned how concerned he was about Russia. I can see he was right on target. I know he is watching the unfolding situation in Georgia with great interest and alarm.

It's the same old Russia. Some things never change.

307 oneman  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:22:06am

Amazing that no one has yet quoted Lazarus Long's extension of Twain:

Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to let you make your second shot perfect.

308 laZardo  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:25:38am

Random art moment.

Too much exposure to LGF can CHANGE you.

309 Han_Solo  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:33:34am

Did IRAN get BOO's?

I could have sworn the Chinese crowed gave boos to the Iranians during the parade.

And Costas made some comment about 'a different welcome than the other teams'.

310 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 5:45:30am

i put a link in linkie thing, as i linked to site of original and i forgot to add an originaL source, thanks to " hotair". should i leave it alone or how do i fix that?

311 TommyGun  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:02:38am

And here I was led to belive that August was a slow month for news.

312 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:07:47am

re: #311 TommyGun

And here I was led to belive that August was a slow month for news.

Well your certainly not gonna let a little Russian invasion of a neighboring country with 1500 dead ruin your summer vacation? Can you imagine the world's reaction if just 15 Palestinians were killed trying to murder innocent Jews?

313 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:10:55am
Tbilisi parliament approves 15-day state of war and martial law.


15 days?

314 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:11:48am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (69 degrees going up to 89 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone this fine morning?

315 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:14:09am

Had a great time teaching ESL to young Thai teens today, until 10AM (8PM Left Coast time) when I accidentally smashed my right-little toe... no broken bones, but the thing is throbbing and black-blue-redtinged...

So with a hearty "Hi yo Silver!" and a gentle 'Leapin Lizard, Sandy!' I bid you good night from the dark evening of suburban Bangkok...

All best to yez...

316 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:15:08am

Catch you later, RealWest... my foot's sayn "Go to BED, Mo-ron!' and I'm gonna listen to it! :D

317 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:15:26am

Things sure are quiet around here since the departure of Babbazee & Storage

318 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:15:34am

re: #313 akak

15 days?

How many days does the Olympics last?

319 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:16:21am

re: #318 Nevergiveup

Some kinda sleight-of-hand, you suspect? Attention distracted, "war ON!"...?

320 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:17:40am

{realwest}

Busy day ahead, but I'm doing fine!

321 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:18:21am

re: #312 Nevergiveup

Well your certainly not gonna let a little Russian invasion of a neighboring country with 1500 dead ruin your summer vacation? Can you imagine the world's reaction if just 15 Palestinians were killed trying to murder innocent Jews?

Yep. The MSM just wants us to think it's a slow month. If they're not there to record events, those events didn't really matter.

322 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:18:47am

re: #319 Karridine

Some kinda sleight-of-hand, you suspect? Attention distracted, "war ON!"...?

There is pretty much NO coverage of Russia's aggression other then a passing story or 2. On the other hand I am watching woman's soccer live: Brazil vs. North Korea?

323 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:19:00am

re: #318 Nevergiveup

How many days does the Olympics last?

now that's a conspiracy theory!

so a base used by Nato was bombed there?
Vaziani

324 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:19:33am

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

325 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:20:24am

re: #324 realwest

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

I'm so sorry to hear this.

326 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:20:30am

USA women are stompting the snot out of the Czech women in basketball.

327 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:01am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

There is pretty much NO coverage of Russia's aggression other then a passing story or 2. On the other hand I am watching woman's soccer live: Brazil vs. North Korea?

[Link: www.stratfor.com...]

328 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:42am

re: #323 akak

now that's a conspiracy theory!

so a base used by Nato was bombed there?
Vaziani

Apparently the Georgian Army has been trained ( and supplied? ) by America and Israel. This should be interesting.

329 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:46am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

There is pretty much NO coverage of Russia's aggression other then a passing story or 2. On the other hand I am watching woman's soccer live: Brazil vs. North Korea?

It's not as if Putin invited Wolf Blitzer to embed.

330 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:21:57am

re: #326 MandyManners

USA women are stompting the snot out of the Czech women in basketball.

Channel?

331 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:22:05am

I really do feel sorry for Elizabeth Edwards, even though she's doing her best to still defend Johnny. She released a statement on the situation and notes the pain and suffering resulting from Johnny's actions. She also notes that the pain and suffering is amplified by the reporters and helicopters chasing the story now. So, it's now the media's fault because they are going after the story.

Meanwhile, Johnny's timeline still suffers because if he admits to paternity of Rielle's baby it would mean that he was boinking Rielle just weeks after Liz learned her cancer returned. That's the only reason that he would not admit to paternity. To do so would make him the most reviled man in the nation - even among the lefties who still somehow manage to adore him and his silky hair.

332 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:22:37am

re: #319 Karridine
Good evening my friend - yeah, FoxNews had nothing at all on this morning except the story of the two Americans and their interpreter being attacked by a man with a knife, who killed the American man and severely wounded the woman and interpreter before the attacker killed himself.
Then they went to the Cailly(sp) story and John Edwards.
NOTHING about Russia and Georgia.
Goodnight my friend.

333 Karridine  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:23:47am

re: #322 Nevergiveup

Brazil vs NorK? I didn't think NorK had enough fish-heads and dead rats to feed a football team!

And for the record, I've been hearing national Thai radio stations broadcasting Ossetia-Russia updates for the last 5 hours, and heard about it this morning on Thai radio, Never...

/don't respond, I gotta sleep :D

334 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:23:49am

re: #325 goddessoftheclassroom Good morning {goddess} yes it is such sad news this morning. I've sent up prayers for Ringo's sister and of course for Ringo and his family.

335 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:25:09am

Fox just mentioned Bernie Mac died. When last seen, he was being thrown under Obama's bus.

336 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:26:56am

re: #324 realwest

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

Whoa. That's terrible news. Please pass along my condolences if you're in touch with him.

337 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:27:29am

re: #335 JammieWearingFoolGood morning Jammie - sorry to be so stupid but I'm still on first cuppa - who is Bernie Mac?!

338 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:28:45am

re: #336 JammieWearingFool I would Jammie but I'm not - saw the sad news on BZ's blog this AM - lead story. I gather that folks are leaving their condolences and sypathies in the comments section there.

339 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:29:02am

re: #337 realwest

Good morning Jammie - sorry to be so stupid but I'm still on first cuppa - who is Bernie Mac?!

A comedian and actor.

Go here for related stories. Had obviously been ill recently, but I had no idea it was something life-threatening.

340 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:29:30am

re: #338 realwest
PIMF sympathies.

341 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:29:45am

"Second separatist Abkhazia province joins Russian-Georgian South Ossetia war"

Seems Russia has been planning this for a while. And all the while, Putin is in Peking chowing down with Bush?

342 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:30:19am

re: #335 JammieWearingFool

Jeez. That's sad stuff. He had been suffering from pneumonia after having a serious illness earlier this year. Wasn't a big fan of Bernie Mac show, but he did a decent turn in the Oceans series.

343 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:31:23am

re: #334 realwest

Pass along my condolences as well. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

344 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:31:38am

re: #330 Nevergiveup

Channel?

USA.

345 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:32:12am

re: #344 MandyManners

USA.

It was on Debka.com---for some reason having trouble linking it.

346 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:33:14am

re: #335 JammieWearingFool
ugh, sorry to hear that, peace to his family.

347 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:34:07am

re: #342 lawhawk

Jeez. That's sad stuff. He had been suffering from pneumonia after having a serious illness earlier this year. Wasn't a big fan of Bernie Mac show, but he did a decent turn in the Oceans series.

He did some funny standup.

Thanks for the link. I put it in the spinoffs.

BBL.

348 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:34:25am

Edwards said his affair was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you accidentally do something.

349 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:35:50am

re: #344 MandyManners

USA.

Opps- thanks- ignore last responce

350 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:36:22am

Johnny. Bus crash in Texas. Cops killing mayor's dogs. Clark Rockefller's real name. Prostrate cancer treatment. Bernie Mac.

Not a word about Georgia.

351 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:36:57am

re: #339 JammieWearingFool Thanks Jammie - I have to confess to never having heard of him (though I don't get out much these days) but his death was apparently unrelated to his Sarcoidosis. He was just 50 years old. Why did you say he was last seen being thrown under Obama's bus? Oh and btw, to save all y'all from searching:

"Sarcoidosis is an immune system disorder that can make it hard to breathe, inflame lymph nodes in the neck and the chest, and cause bumps and ulcers to break out on people’s skin.

Most cases are mild, but those that are severe can cause serious scarring in the lungs, a complication that occurs in 20 to 25 percent of patients.

It’s not clear what causes sarcoidosis, though experts believe environmental contaminants can help trigger a genetic susceptibility.

Research studies have found an association between this condition and irritants such as tree pollen, insecticides and moldy environments, the New England Journal of Medicine reported in an overview published last November.

Sarcoidosis is “probably the end result of immune responses to various ubiquitous environmental triggers,” the overview stated."

352 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:37:13am

re: #341 Nevergiveup

"Second separatist Abkhazia province joins Russian-Georgian South Ossetia war"

Seems Russia has been planning this for a while. And all the while, Putin is in Peking chowing down with Bush?

The whole conflict has been going on for quite some time.

353 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:37:20am

mandy, i think i was most offended by his." but i didn't love her". i thought what if this baby is his, and there it is for child to see in future. of course i was also offended for his family and other children.

354 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:37:28am

re: #350 MandyManners

Johnny. Bus crash in Texas. Cops killing mayor's dogs. Clark Rockefller's real name. Prostrate cancer treatment. Bernie Mac.

Not a word about Georgia.

Georgia?

355 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:38:49am

Will soft socialist Europe help defend Georgia?
I doubt it.

[Link: www.transatlanticpolitics.com...]

356 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:38:54am

re: #354 Nevergiveup
excellant song, one of my favorites

357 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:38:56am

re: #341 Nevergiveup
Good morning - do you have a link for that? And is
Abkhazia province joining with Russia or Georgia?

358 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:40:30am

re: #341 Nevergiveup

"Second separatist Abkhazia province joins Russian-Georgian South Ossetia war"

Seems Russia has been planning this for a while. And all the while, Putin is in Peking chowing down with Bush?

Going back just a week.

SUKHUMI, Georgia (Reuters) - The last of 400 Russian soldiers sent by Moscow to repair a railway in Georgia's rebel region of Abkhazia began to pull out on Wednesday, ending a deployment which angered Tbilisi and its Western allies.

Loudspeakers played music from a brass band and children handed out flowers and Abkhazian flags to Russian soldiers at the opening ceremony of the 54 km (33 mile) railway line.

SNIP

359 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:41:19am

re: #353 willowone

mandy, i think i was most offended by his." but i didn't love her". i thought what if this baby is his, and there it is for child to see in future. of course i was also offended for his family and other children.

He didn't love her? Well, I guess that makes it okay in his enfeebled brain.

360 akak  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:41:51am

re: #355 FrogMarch

Will soft socialist Europe help defend Georgia?
I doubt it.

[Link: www.transatlanticpolitics.com...]

Gazprom will decide.

361 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:42:53am

re: #353 willowone

mandy, i think i was most offended by his." but i didn't love her". i thought what if this baby is his, and there it is for child to see in future. of course i was also offended for his family and other children.

I think I could actually respect someone who faced the camera and said, "I allowed my baser nature to trump my commitments, and I'm truly sorry for all whom I've hurt. I am now taking responsibility for those affected by my lapse and I am endeavoring to be worthy of my family's forgiveness. I will not discuss this matter any further."

Of course to pull this off, the guy has to say this from the get-go.

362 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:42:55am

re: #354 Nevergiveup

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Georgia?

Good one.

363 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:43:16am

re: #359 MandyManners right.

364 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:43:38am

re: #324 realwest

I don't know any of the details, but those of you who remember Ringo the Gringo might want to know that his sister Emily apparently died suddenly last evening - I don't know any details really, but would like to extend my sympathies and condolences to him and to his family on the passing of his sister.

Oh, I'm sorry to hear that!

365 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:43:48am

re: #348 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy - I'm sure to Edwards it was a mistake............getting caught. He's an immoral or amoral man who deserted his wife in her time of most desperate need and to the extent the MSM DOESN'T report it that way, that just makes the MSM even more complicit in the cover up - how the hell did the National Enquirer............The National Enquirer manage to get and break this story while the entire rest of the MSM ignored it?!

366 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:45:36am

Good Morning Lizards!

367 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:46:00am

re: #355 FrogMarch

Will soft socialist Europe help defend Georgia?
I doubt it.

[Link: www.transatlanticpolitics.com...]

The Georgian Foreign Ministry reported that Russian aircrafts have completely destroyed the harbor of Poti, in the immediate vecinity of Supsa, a vital oil terminal.

Supsa is vital for Europe, especially since the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline (the only alternative route to the Russian oil and gas pipelines) has been disrupted on August 6 in Turkey by the Kurdish militia PKK. Since then, oil transports have been rerouted from Tbilisi to Supsa.

SNIP

Too much coincidence for me.

368 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:46:29am

re: #365 realwest

You want a kicker - the LAT sent an intern to report on the story.

369 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:46:55am

re: #361 goddessoftheclassroom
i agree. the more he says , the more he indicates his carelessness with others

370 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:47:06am

re: #360 akak

Gazprom will decide.

Gazprom?

The Georgian Foreign Ministry reported that Russian aircrafts have completely destroyed the harbor of Poti, in the immediate vecinity of Supsa, a vital oil terminal.

While Europe slept. and while Putin vacationed.

371 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:47:15am

re: #365 realwest

Good morning Mandy - I'm sure to Edwards it was a mistake............getting caught. He's an immoral or amoral man who deserted his wife in her time of most desperate need and to the extent the MSM DOESN'T report it that way, that just makes the MSM even more complicit in the cover up - how the hell did the National Enquirer............The National Enquirer manage to get and break this story while the entire rest of the MSM ignored it?!

The National Enquirer doesn't give a shit about looking good for the other media.

372 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:47:37am

re: #350 MandyManners
Yeah and the prostate cancer news is simply a different delivery system of hormone medication which has been around for a decade or more (and is, in fact what I'm on).

373 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:48:23am

Georgia Times English language news. Slow loading.

374 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:48:47am

re: #367 MandyManners

The Georgian Foreign Ministry reported that Russian aircrafts have completely destroyed the harbor of Poti, in the immediate vecinity of Supsa, a vital oil terminal.

Supsa is vital for Europe, especially since the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline (the only alternative route to the Russian oil and gas pipelines) has been disrupted on August 6 in Turkey by the Kurdish militia PKK. Since then, oil transports have been rerouted from Tbilisi to Supsa.

SNIP

Too much coincidence for me.

I wonder how much oil is pouring into the sea?

375 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:48:56am

re: #361 goddessoftheclassroom

I think I could actually respect someone who faced the camera and said, "I allowed my baser nature to trump my commitments, and I'm truly sorry for all whom I've hurt. I am now taking responsibility for those affected by my lapse and I am endeavoring to be worthy of my family's forgiveness. I will not discuss this matter any further."

Of course to pull this off, the guy has to say this from the get-go.

Instead, he claims it was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you grab a box of Wheaties instead of Coco Puffs. Not when you carry on a multi-month affair. That requires multiple lies and all kinds of tactics.

376 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:49:02am

much of the media have become very open about their political leanings, and their cover-ups.

377 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:49:32am

re: #368 lawhawk

You want a kicker - the LAT sent an intern to report on the story.

An INTERN? Good grief. That's despicable.

378 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:50:33am

re: #375 MandyManners

Instead, he claims it was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you grab a box of Wheaties instead of Coco Puffs. Not when you carry on a multi-month affair. That requires multiple lies and all kinds of tactics.

I completely agree! It's even worse when someone uses the passive voice and says, "Mistakes were made."

379 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:50:40am

re: #374 FrogMarch

I wonder how much oil is pouring into the sea?

It doesn't say that the pipe was destroyed in Supsa.

380 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:51:06am

re: #355 FrogMarch I doubt that Europe has the military capacity to help anyone, but they sure as hell ought to help Georgia; a HUGE percentage of Europes Natural Gas and a significant amount of oil, comes through
the port of Poti IN GEORGIA.

381 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:51:35am
382 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:51:46am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

I completely agree! It's even worse when someone uses the passive voice and says, "Mistakes were made."

That's the nadir of weaselness.

383 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:53:08am

re: #368 lawhawk
AN INTERN?! WTF? Oh, wait, was Bubba there? Maybe they thought sending an intern would be a way to get more inside information about this. If Bubba wasn't there, then the LA Times is absolutely a pos and as far as I'm concerned, complicit in covering up the truth about Edwards.

Oh, and btw, good morning lawhawk!

384 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #381 David IV of Georgia

Thanks for those links!

385 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:55:40am

The Dems should be pissed.. what if it was Edwards right now instead of Obama? The party would have imploded..
Not that they don't deserve it..but still....
The DNC should ban him from the convention.

386 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:55:45am

re: #383 realwest

AN INTERN?! WTF? Oh, wait, was Bubba there? Maybe they thought sending an intern would be a way to get more inside information about this. If Bubba wasn't there, then the LA Times is absolutely a pos and as far as I'm concerned, complicit in covering up the truth about Edwards.

Oh, and btw, good morning lawhawk!

Morning! And yes, it was an intern, though not in the Clintonesque sense.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

387 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:56:00am

i'm wondering if Edwards was brought out now, while Obama is on vacation so it will blow over before dem convention.
another thing is the excuses made from left when it's a dem.
and.i've even heard dems now saying he was set-up possibly by Rove. laughing... sheesh

388 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:56:29am

re: #357 realwest

Good morning - do you have a link for that? And is
Abkhazia province joining with Russia or Georgia?

Debka .com

389 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:56:44am

re: #382 MandyManners

That's the ( Ralph) nadir of weaselness.


hehehehe
good morning mandy

390 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:57:22am

re: #381 David IV of Georgia Thank you for the links, but I've gotta tell ya your link in #373 doesn't work for me.

391 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:57:35am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom

I completely agree! It's even worse when someone uses the passive voice and says, "Mistakes were made."

That's the sort of thing you say when you're trying to smooth over someone else's indiscretions by making them sound little and innocuous. Not very useful as an admission of guilt or an apology for one's own actions, though. If it were just a little minor mistake, there would be no fuss about it requiring any admission or apology.

392 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:58:00am

re: #375 MandyManners

Instead, he claims it was a MISTAKE. A mistake is when you grab a box of Wheaties instead of Coco Puffs. Not when you carry on a multi-month affair. That requires multiple lies and all kinds of tactics.

Indeed! and we all know Democrats are allowed to make mistakes -- As many "mistakes" as they want. Just blame the accuser. It's Ken Star's fault! works every time.

393 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:59:32am

re: #387 willowone

Obama wants this issue to die before the convention - as did the DNC bigwigs. The last thing they needed was another clown circus, even as Hillary and her folks are grumbling that they may take the nomination to a floor fight, even as the leftists are parading and grumbling outside.

It's also funny to hear that Obama is taking a vacation. As president, you don't get vacations. Going to your home or Camp David isn't a vacation since you're still making decisions even there and carrying on policy discussions and other business. However, I suspect the real reason is that getting Obama out of the spotlight for a week or so will help his polling numbers bounce back a bit seeing how the more he says, the worse he does.

394 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 6:59:37am

re: #392 FrogMarch

Indeed! and we all know Democrats are allowed to make mistakes -- As many "mistakes" as they want. Just blame the accuser. It's Ken Star's fault! works every time.

Apparently she is an ex-drug user. Maybe Edwards was just counseling her and he slipped so to speak?

395 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:00:03am

re: #390 realwest

Thank you for the links, but I've gotta tell ya your link in #373 doesn't work for me.

It took it 5+ minutes to load with 350K/s+ broadband. That's very slow. Many browsers would just assume it isn't loading at the lack of speed.

396 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:00:24am

re: #388 Nevergiveup
Ah, well as usual with Debka, I'd give this at least 24 hours to pan out - of course with OUR MSM, y'all might want to make that 72 hours.
But thank you.

397 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:01am

re: #381 David IV of Georgia

More English news:

[Link: www.messenger.com.ge...]

[Link: www.batuminews.com...]

[Link: www.caspianbusinessnews.com...]

Thank you!

398 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:07am

re: #386 lawhawk

Morning! And yes, it was an intern, though not in the Clintonesque sense.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.


In 2000, Lisa Druck re-emerged in Los Angeles as newly single Rielle Hunter.

Lisa Druck.

399 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:28am

re: #393 lawhawk
agree, he is probably getting heavy lessons in what isn't appropriate for Americans to hear now while he isn't just shmoozing with the left

400 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:01:51am

Still not much MSM news on Russia's little war in the caucuses, but there is LIVE Equestrian action from Peking! Oh I hope I can contain myself?

401 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:02:08am

in-on *

402 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:24am

re: #378 goddessoftheclassroom Hey {goddess} as I mentioned above, the only "mistake" was in getting caught - I'm quite certain that's the only mistake Edwards sees in this.
The man has the morals of a ......... well, heck, I can't think of anything low enough to use here without insulting that other thing!
HE IS AN IMMORAL SON OF A BITCH, PERIOD.

403 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:32am

re: #386 lawhawk

Morning! And yes, it was an intern, though not in the Clintonesque sense.

You literally cannot make this stuff up.

"I want to see our party lead on the great moral issues that face our country," he continues.

How can he lead in the great moral issues if he cannot maintain his vow to one woman?

404 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:44am

Got up to check on the Olympics being broadcast and saw Men's Beach Volleyball.

Serve - bump - set - spike - point. Repeat.

[yaawwwn]

Bring on the swimming and track & field, already.

405 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:45am

Ok, I am watching a girls sport now. It is like a combination of soccor played with your hands on a basketball court? What the hell is it?

406 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:03:46am

re: #380 realwest

I doubt that Europe has the military capacity to help anyone, but they sure as hell ought to help Georgia; a HUGE percentage of Europes Natural Gas and a significant amount of oil, comes through
the port of Poti IN GEORGIA.

Europe ought to help. But as you say - do they have the capacity? I doubt they have the capacity or the will.

407 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:04:11am

re: #387 willowone

i'm wondering if Edwards was brought out now, while Obama is on vacation so it will blow over before dem convention.
another thing is the excuses made from left when it's a dem.
and.i've even heard dems now saying he was set-up possibly by Rove. laughing... sheesh

I guarantee you that BHO's vacation had to do with the timing.

408 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:04:51am

re: #395 David IV of Georgia Ah, that's probably it then. Damn. Well thank you for the other links and for at least trying to get this link to us - you've already "reported" more than the US MSM have, all by yourself!

409 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:01am

What's that smell?

/Paris Hilton's dog, after a month in the closet

410 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:01am

re: #400 Nevergiveup i've wondered about that, is it because if Georgia-Russia, threatening to americas an Europes interest , Obama cannot compete with explanations of what He will do> is this possible why he's on vacation? to bone up on world affairs?

411 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:07am

Okay, so the UN does nothing on Russia's war against Georgia. They've done nothing on the Sudan, and their peacekeepers quit patrolling the Ethiopia-Eritrea border.

So, is it any surprise that their IAEA inspectors were turned away by the Syrians after they wanted to investigate Syria's nuclear program. Oh, and Syria wants a seat on the IAEA board. The initial investigation has proven to be inconclusive as to what was present at the site of the September 6 airstrike. No surprise there either.

412 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:28am

re: #394 Nevergiveup

Apparently she is an ex-drug user. Maybe Edwards was just counseling her and he slipped so to speak?

Oh, he slipped something for sure.

413 HoosierHoops  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:47am

re: #405 Nevergiveup

Ok, I am watching a girls sport now. It is like a combination of soccor played with your hands on a basketball court? What the hell is it?

*Wack*

/ why i never....

414 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:05:49am

The MSM will undoubtedly switch to informing us of every medal won by Georgian or Russian athletes in the Olympics to show everyone they are on top of this news story. Be sure to watch for a human interest story on a Georgian/Russian athlete who struggled to get into the Olympics despite great setbacks.

415 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:07:32am

re: #413 HoosierHoops

*Wack*

/ why i never....

I am serious. I have no idea what the sport is?

416 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:08:31am

re: #411 lawhawk i have not been able to grasp why we still have UN located here, they speak against Our interests, it gives a forum to the most agregious despots to whine at our expense.

417 lawhawk  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:08:32am

re: #403 MandyManners

Here's how: While I think his career is over because it goes to character and fitness to lead, and you have to wonder whether you can ever trust anything he says, we need politicians to lie and prevaricate. The problem is that the appearance of lying and prevarication tends to turn people off. Just ask Gary Hart.

It's how you lie and prevaricate that does in politicians. Clinton managed to survive his lying, though that may have submarined Hillary's chances.

418 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:08:58am

re: #415 Nevergiveup

Umm . . . Team handball?

/Not near the tube right now to see . . .

419 willowone  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:09:12am

and undermine US

420 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:10:07am

re: #418 StinkHammer

Umm . . . Team handball?

/Not near the tube right now to see . . .

They are on a indoor court. Both teams defend a soccer like net. But they throw the ball around?

421 FrogMarch  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:11:05am

re: #404 StinkHammer

Got up to check on the Olympics being broadcast and saw Men's Beach Volleyball.

hmmmm better go turn on the tele.

422 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:11:37am

Ralph Peters has the lowdown on Georgia.

423 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:12:04am

re: #406 FrogMarch Well SOME of Europe has the will, but much of their meager military resources is in Afghanistan where some of them are actually fighting (btw, this is true: the Germans refuse to patrol very much at all and absolutely refuse to patrol at night, period. The Taliban sent them an elegantly written thank you note, I'm sure!). The Canadians and Danish forces from NATO and other nations (e.g., Great Britain) are indeed fighting the Taliban with great vigor and effectiveness.

424 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:12:47am

re: #420 Nevergiveup

Could be team handball, then. I played it waaaay back in Junior High days of yore.

Don't know if it's an Olympic sport, though -- so I'm just guessing.

425 goddessoftheclassroom  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:12:50am

re: #420 Nevergiveup

Are they rolling the ball?

There's a sport called goalball, created for the visually-impaired, that features a ball with a bell in it and blindfolded players. One of my students plays it.

426 Killian Bundy  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:13:30am

re: #415 Nevergiveup

I am serious. I have no idea what the sport is?

/Team Handball

427 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:14:46am

re: #423 realwest

Well SOME of Europe has the will, but much of their meager military resources is in Afghanistan where some of them are actually fighting (btw, this is true: the Germans refuse to patrol very much at all and absolutely refuse to patrol at night, period. The Taliban sent them an elegantly written thank you note, I'm sure!). The Canadians and Danish forces from NATO and other nations (e.g., Great Britain) are indeed fighting the Taliban with great vigor and effectiveness.

Well what ever will exists, the problem is the means just ain't there. Europe has abdicated it's security to the US long ago. I am not even looking for a thank-you. Just get out of the way and at least verbally support us!

428 StinkHammer  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:15:25am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

Ah, my instincts prove correct.

It's actually a blast to play. (I was primarily a goalie.)

429 Nevergiveup  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:15:55am

re: #426 Killian Bundy

/Team Handball

That's it. And for this shit, their getting rid of baseball?

430 realwest  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:16:24am

re: #422 JammieWearingFool Excellent Jammie- thank you!
Geez it's times like these that I REALLY miss my hometown!

431 Dustyvet  Sat, Aug 9, 2008 7:17:31am

Billboards: "Sharia law is hate"
It is good to see someone turning the Islamic supremacists' charge that opposing them is "hatred" back on them, and exposing the real haters. "Billboards announce: 'Sharia law is hate,'" by Drew Zahn for WorldNetDaily, August 8:

An organization in Florida plans to educate what it perceives as an increasingly culture-tolerant public about the horrific dictates of Islamic law by purchasing billboard space with a simple, but confrontational message: "Sharia law is hate."
The Central Florida chapter of the United American Committee, a nonprofit group that seeks to educate Americans on the threat of Islamic extremism, is raising money to purchase a six-month contract to display the billboard, which the group hopes will awaken the public to discussing the full extent of Islamic law.

"The UAC's goal in this project is to raise awareness because most people have no idea what Sharia law is," Alan Kornman, director of UAC's Central Florida branch, told WND. "We are confident people will see the billboard and learn on their own what Sharia law is and come to their own conclusions. At the very least, we hope our billboard will spark public debate on this overlooked issue."

The billboards will also include a link to UAC resources where people can learn more about Islam's Sharia law, a set of religious codes – both moral and legal; Sharia law recognizes no separation of church and state – that bind both Muslims and Islamic nations.

"Under Sharia law if you are accused of stealing, a hand and foot from opposite si