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Obama Calls for UN to Pass Resolution Condemning Russia, Forgets Russia Has UNSC Veto

Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 5:55:12 pm PDT

An astoundingly bone-headed statement from Barack Obama today, as he calls for the United Nations Security Council to pass a resolution condemning Russia’s invasion of Georgia.

Memo to the Obama campaign: Russia has veto power in the United Nations Security Council.

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1 J.D.  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:56:03pm

Details details details...

2 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:57:21pm

This man is such an idiot.

3 RightOnTheLeftCoast  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:57:48pm

I think "Idiot" would be a step up...

4 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:57:57pm

Well, hello, J.D. It's been a while.

5 straitcircle  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:58:03pm

Obama: Georgia? that is next to South Carolina, right?

6 BignJames  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:58:12pm

Idjit?

7 CynicalConservative  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:58:35pm

But, but, I'm the chosen one, I'm greater than their veto....

/Obambi

8 Bobibutu  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:58:43pm

Brilliant ... please pass the nuclear football. He's great with ball handling donchaknow.

9 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:58:46pm

Does he know anything?

10 J.S.  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:59:07pm

There was someone else who made a joke about that 3 am phone call -- in the event of a world crisis/ impending emergency situation, Obama would immediately phone the UN...

11 baxtrice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:59:39pm

Because the U.N. is going to drop everything and fix this, right? Right...?

anyone?

12 CofactorMatrix  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 5:59:45pm

I feel sick. This man could be President? I think Paula Abdul would do a better job.

13 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:00:08pm

300 advisers helped prepare that statement.

14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:00:32pm

And introducing the not ready for Prime Time Candidate...

15 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:00:42pm
16 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:01:11pm

This coming from the side of the aisle that mocks Bush for his strategry.

17 itellu3times  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:01:16pm

For the first time in my adult life,
I am proud to think
that a major party's
(presumptive)
presidential candidate
is a moron.

18 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:02:18pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

Does he know anything?

Perhaps we should be asking, does he really and truly CARE?

19 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:02:42pm

Sure Russia has veto power but everyone knows all it takes is a 2/3 majority in Congress to override the veto!

/

20 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:03:07pm

What a dope. LOL

21 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:03:25pm

re: #13 Mich-again

300 advisers helped prepare that statement.

Thanks for the horrifying thought. I'll be organizing the Preparedness Bunker...

/just remember, folks, W is the stupid one...

22 rawmuse  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:03:27pm

Oopsie. Maybe he should get a do-over. OK, maybe not.

23 jemima  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:04:05pm

Belief in the messiah takes a leap of faith.
The long jumpers in the Olympics can't freaking jump far enough to breach the chasm between here and 0bamessiah.

He's not anywhere near as smart as his publicity would hope you think.

24 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:04:26pm

This is the brilliance that the Democrats and their 300 advisers could come up with? Pass a UN resolution in the Security Council when Russia has a veto? Are you kidding me?

Are you $^@! kidding me? For someone who's supposedly got all kinds of advisers to tell him about the world and what to say and the way things work, they can't even get the basics right?

The UN would be even more useless in a situation directly involving one of the five permanent members than if it involved other nations. Heck, the US can't get resolutions passed on Darfur or Zimbabwe, and Obama comes up with this?

Jeez.

Obama has already flip-flopped on what he'd do, and this latest mess doesn't help him.

25 MikeySDCA  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:04:54pm

re: #9 Noam Sayin'

No.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:05:26pm

Totally unfair. I didn't know that either.

Oh yeah...not running for POTUS!

27 Blackacre  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:05:58pm

This blithering idiot is just stuck on stupid.

28 wiffersnapper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:06:03pm

dee dee dee!

29 Milk Toast Intolerant  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:06:17pm

Obama does have a messianic complex, but he's really too stupid to be the anti-christ.

30 mossley  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:06:26pm

Every time this man opens his mouth, he proves he's unqualified to be President.

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:06:53pm

Charles? Love the "jump to bottom" button. Thanks!

Oh, yeah, BHO's an idiot.

32 least  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:07:05pm

Well, yeah.
But you're talking about reality.
We must keep in mind that moonbats place a huge amount of their faith in the "Court of World Opinion"

and if wishes were horses . . .

33 Alouette  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:07:24pm

"And the people of Georgia will resist, just as they resisted Sherman!"

34 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:07:25pm

re: #12 CofactorMatrix

I feel sick. This man could be President? I think Paula Abdul would do a better job.

Paris Hilton would do a better job and have better ideas - as she has already proven.

35 parisparamus  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:07:25pm

DOPE YOU CAN'T BELIEVE IN.

36 psyop  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:07:37pm

That's not the Russia he knew...

37 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:08:23pm

Hi, My name is Barack, I'll be your president tonight. Tonights special is unintentional irony, served up with a side of uninformed ignorance.

/

38 Tigger2005  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:08:47pm

I think we got the Security Council to approve action in Korea because both Russia and China were boycotting at the time...

39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:08:49pm

re: #36 psyop

That's not the Russia he knew...

Its not the Georgia he knew either

/seriously

40 MikeySDCA  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:09:00pm

Cluelessness we can believe in!

41 parisparamus  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:09:06pm

DOPE. MORON. IDIOT. NAIVE. FOOL. IGNORAMUS. CHILD-MAN.

42 TheWasteLand  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:09:15pm

FWIW, Jonah Goldberg at NRO has been talking about this:

U.N. Security Council.

A reader claimed that:

According to Article 27 of the UN Charter, a party to a dispute must abstain from voting, so Russia could not exercise its veto. However, they can probably depend on China to veto on their behalf.

Another reader claimed this Article didn't apply and was "toothless". I know zilch about the UN (and that's the way I likes it) so I recuse myself from commenting.

43 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:09:31pm

re: #31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"jump to bottom" button

Yikes! When was THAT added?
Thanks for mentioning it.

44 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:09:49pm

re: #38 Tigger2005

I think we got the Security Council to approve action in Korea because both Russia and China were boycotting at the time...

China did not belong to the UN at the time. At least Red China did not. Taiwan held the Chinese seat.

45 baxtrice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:09:58pm

re: #41 parisparamus

DOPE. MORON. IDIOT. NAIVE. FOOL. IGNORAMUS. CHILD-MAN.

Tell us how you REALLY feel.

;)

46 MikeySDCA  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:10:05pm

re: #38 Tigger2005

China was the KMT then. USSR did boycott.

47 sonofsheldon  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:10:11pm

Russia; is that the 57th or the 58th state? Only Obama knows for sure.

48 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:10:13pm

re: #38 Tigger2005

I think we got the Security Council to approve action in Korea because both Russia and China were boycotting at the time...

Correct.

49 reddragon  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:10:44pm

That is what happens when he isn't reading from a script!

50 psyop  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:10:50pm

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lol...
Good point.

51 Tigger2005  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:10:53pm

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Correct.

Turns out I was not correct, only Russia was boycotting.

52 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:11:12pm

re: #42 TheWasteLand

FWIW, Jonah Goldberg at NRO has been talking about this:

U.N. Security Council.

A reader claimed that:

According to Article 27 of the UN Charter, a party to a dispute must abstain from voting, so Russia could not exercise its veto. However, they can probably depend on China to veto on their behalf.

Another reader claimed this Article didn't apply and was "toothless". I know zilch about the UN (and that's the way I likes it) so I recuse myself from commenting.

Abstaining from voting does not mean that they must refrain from commenting, threatening, bribery and arm-twisting. And VETO power has nothing to do with voting.

53 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:11:24pm

re: #48 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Correct.

And corrected, in turn, by galloping granny.

54 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:12:05pm

re: #190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian (my reply from the last thread, in case you didn't see it)

My reasons are pretty selfish. You're a smart SOB and fun to have around. Keep on this side of the daisies (if you don't mind!).

Thank you for that nice complement.

55 Kosh's Shadow  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:12:17pm

The Obamessiah believes that he can use his mystical powers to convince Russia to vote to condemn itself.

56 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:12:24pm

re: #51 Tigger2005

Turns out I was not correct, only Russia was boycotting.

heh
Yes, I should have remembered that.
galloping granny already humiliated me, thank you.

/blush

57 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:12:27pm

But he means well you meanies!thats all that matters...right?..
/

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:12:53pm

re: #54 Walter L. Newton

*nods*

59 MandyManners  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:12:54pm

Would it be fruitless to look for a connection between Putin and Soros?

60 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:13:21pm

Does obambi have a clue about how the real world works?

61 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:13:54pm

re: #56 pre-Boomer Marine brat

heh
Yes, I should have remembered that.
galloping granny already humiliated me, thank you.

/blush

Heh, how come I get the blame? Just cause I'm old enough to remember when?

62 kevinmumaw  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:14:10pm

I guess the teleprompter was down again.

63 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:14:13pm

Obama does not have the experience to be POTUS, not by a long shot.
He hasn't a clue.
So, if elected, he will have to rely totallly on his advisers, on people who will teach and lead him.
Thank heaven Ayers and Dohrn have teaching experience.
/////


This guy is S-C-A-R-Y.

64 Racer X  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:14:30pm

I heard on the radio today that Russia vetoed the recognition of Kosovo, and the Russians are still really pissed off about that.

65 baxtrice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:14:34pm

re: #60 pingjockey

Does obambi have a clue about how the real world works?

Pfft, Real World is a reality show on MTV, Sheesh, don'tcha know?
LOL

66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:14:42pm

re: #59 MandyManners

I think this is the last thing Soros wants to see right now. His puppet is beginning to look a little wooden.

67 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:14:46pm

Oh, Vlad the Impaler must be rubbing his hands together in glee at the thought of this dangerous naif being leader of the free world.

On a happier note, I think I've invented a recipe (I'm not much of a cook, and tend to grow garden stuff that looks pretty, so we'll see). I sauteed some five-color Swiss chard and some malabar spinach in olive with garlic and red pepper flake. Added two smushed up beefsteak tomatoes, and am stewing down the mess to concentrate the tomato juice. Added a little fresh basil. When it's done stewing, will add parmesan cheese and dip bread in it.

Cost? Free. Shweet...

68 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:15:26pm

re: #59 MandyManners

pretty much,but some geniuses on koz i believe brought up the theory that putin is doing this to help mcCain!"i question the timing..."those pricks question the timing when the sun comes up in the morning.

69 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:15:38pm

From the UN website..

Russia's UN Ambassador voices ceasfire terms

I would cut and paste the highlights, but that function is not enabled from that page. In a word, he said the Russian troops would not leave until Georgia removes its troops from occupied South Ossetia. And he said in order to consider withdrawing Russian troops they must first make sure there is no chance of genocide there.

70 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:15:47pm

re: #60 pingjockey

Does obambi have a clue about how the real world works?

I'm not at all convinced that he has a clue where the real world is, to say nothing of how it works.

It seems that Obambi's admitted use of cocaine, when applied to the rules put forth for military personnel, forever disqualifies him from being anywhere near anything at all nuclear in any of the services. Because it is so addictive. And because it destroys so much of your brain.

Only excuse I can think of.

71 Noam Sayin'  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:08pm

re: #59 MandyManners

Would it be fruitless to look for a connection between Putin and Soros?

I think he works for Hillary.

72 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:13pm

Perhaps the Russians will respond to Obama's soft eyes.

Oops.

There is a famous Russian folk melody

Dark Eyes.

73 Racer X  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:13pm

re: #64 Racer X

I heard on the radio today that Russia vetoed the recognition of Kosovo, and the Russians are still really pissed off about that.

Er, pissed off that the Security Council bypassed their veto.

74 yodafunk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:18pm

Yeah Bill Richardson made the same mistake yesterday... funny thing is he's SUPPOSED to be a foreign policy guy. What a bunch of idgets.

75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:43pm

re: #67 Palandine

I've got some bread...hint hint...
Wait. What is five color swiss chard?

76 kynna  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:46pm

But ... but ... but ... he has soft eyes!

Obama.

Not. Ready. For. Prime. Time.

77 rightymouse  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:16:56pm

There's some discussion about this over at NRO from Jonah Goldberg and some readers as to whether Russia has to abstain from voting because it is a party to the dispute.

78 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:17:06pm

re: #61 galloping granny

Heh, how come I get the blame? Just cause I'm old enough to remember when?

heh, I was hyperventilating.
I'm old enough too.

79 cincinnati_kid37  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:17:07pm

re: #3 RightOnTheLeftCoast

I think "Idiot" would be a step up...

[Link: www.barbneal.com...]

80 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:17:10pm

re: #63 wolfie

Obama does not have the experience to be POTUS, not by a long shot.
He hasn't a clue.
So, if elected, he will have to rely totallly on his advisers, on people who will teach and lead him.
Thank heaven Ayers and Dohrn have teaching experience.
/////


This guy is S-C-A-R-Y.

How the heck do you listen to THREE HUNDRED advisers on foreign policy and national security? It would take so long just to gather opinions from all of them that any need for the opinions would have long since passed before you could process them!

81 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:17:22pm

re: #69 Mich-again:

RUSSIA'S UN AMBASSADOR VOICES CEASEFIRE TERMS

Russia will consider ceasefire and withdrawal of forces only after Georgia returns to pre-clashes status-quo and pulls its troops from "occupied" areas of South Ossetia, Vitaly Churkin, the Russia''s UN ambassador, said on 10 August.

But he also stressed that return to status-quo should no way apply to the Russian forces currently fighting with the Georgian troops in the region.

"There must not be any illusions about that," Churkin said. "In order to consider withdrawal of our forces we must make sure that there is no chance of genocide there."

He was speaking after an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council - the third one in last few days. The Council has again failed to reach an agreement on the wording of an appeal for an end to the hostilities.

"There is a straightforward way to stop fighting, to stop killing: for Georgians to withdraw and then to have an agreement on non-use of force signed and then we can talk on other verity things, including [on] military and political arrangements," Churkin said.

82 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:17:50pm

re: #59 MandyManners

Would it be fruitless to look for a connection between Putin and Soros?

Probably.

83 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:17:53pm

Even if the UN passed a resolution, what exactly could that possibly accomplish?

84 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:09pm

re: #77 rightymouse

There's some discussion about this over at NRO from Jonah Goldberg and some readers as to whether Russia has to abstain from voting because it is a party to the dispute.

I say again - even if they "have" to abstain from voting, that abstention does not negate their VETO power.

85 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:16pm

Georgia is the 57th state.

86 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:18pm

re: #81 lawhawk

OK, how did you do that?

87 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:40pm

re: #83 Mich-again

you'd have some right fancy looking toilet paper....

88 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:41pm

re: #81 lawhawk
IOW you do what we want and we'll be happy. Or else.

89 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:47pm

re: #13 Mich-again

300 advisers helped prepare that statement.

I preferred the Spartan 300 myself. Brutal men but they could tell an enemy from an ally and even more importantly could fight.

90 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:18:54pm

re: #83 Mich-again

Even if the UN passed a resolution, what exactly could that possibly accomplish?

As we have seen with Lebanon, Israel, Iraq and Iran -- jack all, other than make the number of the one to follow higher.

91 Occam's Beard  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:00pm

I think he was confused by that "Caucasus" thing. He figured he's gamed lots of caucuses already, so he just had to diddle one more.

92 jemima  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:03pm

#63

How would a 0bama Presidency be any different than the reign of Edward the VI who, while a child king, didn't rule, the Duke of Somerset did.

93 cincinnati_kid37  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:08pm

re: #72 Ojoe

Perhaps the Russians will respond to Obama's soft eyes.

Oops.

There is a famous Russian folk melody

Dark Eyes.

Is this the one?

94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:08pm

re: #80 galloping granny

How the heck do you listen to THREE HUNDRED advisers on foreign policy and national security? It would take so long just to gather opinions from all of them that any need for the opinions would have long since passed before you could process them!

Ask Jimmy Carter.

95 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:27pm

re: #86 Mich-again

Highlighted the text and then hit CTRL-C... Using the right click on the mouse didn't work.

96 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:53pm

re: #60 pingjockey

Does obambi have a clue about how the real world works?

Of course he does- we're going to have a rainbow in every yard and a unicorn for every child.

97 MarkX  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:19:57pm

Forgets?

That implies he knew.

98 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:02pm
99 jcm  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:13pm

re: #63 wolfie

Obama does not have the experience to be POTUS, not by a long shot.
He hasn't a clue.
So, if elected, he will have to rely totallly on his advisers, on people who will teach and lead him.
Thank heaven Ayers and Dohrn have teaching experience.
/////


This guy is S-C-A-R-Y.

You're just not trying hard enough to believe we are the ones.
Now put you hands up in the O-salute and chant Obama-Obama-Obama and you'll get hope and be ready for change!
//////////////////////////////////////

100 barry the baptist  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:36pm

Maybe he should ask the Muslim states and their committees to condemn the Russians.

Also, what are the chances that Obama could locate Georgia on a map?

What a dope.

101 baxtrice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:39pm

re: #96 Sharmuta

Of course he does- we're going to have a rainbow in every yard and a unicorn for every child.

How much is it going to cost to feed that damn unicorn? I'm already pressed for cash because of fuel costs!

102 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:44pm

re: #92 jemima

#63

How would a 0bama Presidency be any different than the reign of Edward the VI who, while a child king, didn't rule, the Duke of Somerset did.

We don't have a Duke of Somerset. Hazzard maybe - there might be a Duke of Hazzard left to show Obambi the ropes.

103 MarkX  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:51pm

re: #98 buzzsawmonkey

A strongly-worded letter.

On very nice stationery.

... and scented.

104 CofactorMatrix  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:55pm

You know, maybe Barack could show us how "Hope and Change" would work in practice and sort this all out.

105 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:20:58pm

Obama also claims he's been warning the American people "for months" about the situation in Georgia.

I googled and could't find a thing.

106 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:21:03pm

re: #94 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Ask Jimmy Carter."
Then do the exact opposite of what he says.(only if you want to be successful)

107 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:21:21pm

re: #75 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've got some bread...hint hint...
Wait. What is five color swiss chard?

And you call yourself a vegetarian! :)

Looks like beet greens, only bigger, and the stalks have different colors--whitish green, yellow, pink, red, and I think I got screwed out of a color. :)

Taste like spinach when you saute 'em, and the stalks give a crunchy, celery-like consistency to food.

Now, malabar spinch is really weird (but pretty) looking, and tastes strange raw, but I think it'll be good cooked.

108 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:21:27pm

re: #95 lawhawk

Cool. A new trick. Ha. Here is more from that statement..

Russia''s UN ambassador said that the Russian forces in South Ossetia were engaged in "peacekeeping operation."

Quote of the day.

109 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:21:50pm

re: #64 Racer X

I heard on the radio today that Russia vetoed the recognition of Kosovo, and the Russians are still really pissed off about that.

There are those that say this is all about Kosovo.

Russia lost big face in that drama and Putin is out for revenge.
Check out the Russian verbiage: their soldiers are "peacekeepers" preventing "genocide" and "ethnic cleansing."

You "take" Kosovo? Me Putin now take Georgia!

Cute. *spit*

110 rightymouse  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:22:04pm

re: #84 galloping granny

I say again - even if they "have" to abstain from voting, that abstention does not negate their VETO power.


From some of the comments it looks rather complicated, but likely toothless when it comes to their veto. Interesting.

111 Sharmuta  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:22:25pm

re: #101 baxtrice

How much is it going to cost to feed that damn unicorn? I'm already pressed for cash because of fuel costs!

Tsk-tsk. You forget you have a rainbow in your yard.

112 jemima  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:22:34pm

#102

Thank you, GG, that was my laugh of the evening. Unfortunately I believe the puppet master is the Duke of Sorrows.

113 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:22:48pm

re: #107 Palandine

Ok then...

I've got some bread...hint hint...

114 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:22:56pm

re: #107 Palandine

And you call yourself a vegetarian! :)

Looks like beet greens, only bigger, and the stalks have different colors--whitish green, yellow, pink, red, and I think I got screwed out of a color. :)

Taste like spinach when you saute 'em, and the stalks give a crunchy, celery-like consistency to food.

Now, malabar spinch is really weird (but pretty) looking, and tastes strange raw, but I think it'll be good cooked.

Five Color Swiss Chard is super! Makes a darned good Chard Tart.

115 Purple Prose  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:14pm

Obama's is not only experience-challenged, he is commonsense challenged.

Where did this guy from? A childhood without a father, moving from place to place with a mother who seems to have put every man and every crazy self-indulgent inclination before her kids. Over-achiever with an Ivy League education. Short-circuited the normal path to political power by linking up with the most unsavory characters in all of corrupt Chicago. Then parlaying himself into Obamessiah, pulling out all the stops and using every trick in the book to pander to every liberal and identity group he could.

He's a political animal but not a legislator, leader or statesman. He makes Bill Clinton look like a great American hero.

116 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:17pm

But he's so dreamy! and he's so inspirational! he did that housing project in Chicago that was a total failure- but so what? his heart was in the right place! So he's clueless with foreign policy. Once Obama is our savior - we won't need foreign policy!

/

117 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:23pm

That was sweet of him though, wasn't it?

118 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:26pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

find the leprachan and redistribute his pot-o-gold.

119 josephus  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:31pm

Woefully inadequate! I knew that Russia had a permanent position on the council when I was eleven years old. I am a Canadian and I am not concerned at all with Obama's skin color or religious belief. I am concerned that he is clueless. This is one of the most basic principles in foreign policy. If he does not know this, then what other future surprises are in store.

Lets attack Pakistan - A NUCLEAR POWER NONETHELESS
No concept of who liberated the Concentration Camps
Now This! This is getting very embarrassing!

120 baxtrice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:47pm

re: #111 Sharmuta

Tsk-tsk. You forget you have a rainbow in your yard.

So that's what you feed unicorns, I thought we were supposed to smoke the rainbow to keep ourselves stoned during the Obama presidency. :)

121 Opinionated  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:52pm

I'm waiting- obviously in vain- for a Democrat in Congress- beside Lieberman- to get up and say: Enough is enough, I love my country first and the World is too dangerous a place for Obama to be President.

Is there not a second honorable Democrat in that entire body?

122 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:23:57pm

re: #105 Dirk Diggler

I googled and could't find a thing.

All I could find was a blurb from his recent trip to Germany where he called for a negotiated settlement. Now that is enlightened leadership. As for his claim that he's been saying this for many months, I gave up googling for evidence. I think he's fibbing.

123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:24:23pm

re: #107 Palandine

And...I didn't say I was a fancy vegetarian.

124 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:24:37pm

Oddly enough, the Russian invasion doesn't seem to be adversely affecting oil prices. It's down $0.75 today and the Dollar is a little stronger as well.

125 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:25:20pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

I'm surprised by that too.

126 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:25:20pm

re: #84 galloping granny

I say again - even if they "have" to abstain from voting, that abstention does not negate their VETO power.

The key point. Even if the other 4 vote against the invasion, Russia will just veto the "bill," so to speak.

127 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:25:41pm

re: #115 Purple Prose

Obama's is not only experience-challenged, he is commonsense challenged.

Where did this guy from? A childhood without a father, moving from place to place with a mother who seems to have put every man and every crazy self-indulgent inclination before her kids. Over-achiever with an Ivy League education. Short-circuited the normal path to political power by linking up with the most unsavory characters in all of corrupt Chicago. Then parlaying himself into Obamessiah, pulling out all the stops and using every trick in the book to pander to every liberal and identity group he could.

He's a political animal but not a legislator, leader or statesman. He makes Bill Clinton look like a great American hero.

Did you ever take a psych class? Child, human development, abnormal - any of those will do. Read what you wrote.

128 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:25:50pm

re: #118 Boondock St. Bender

find the leprachan and redistribute his pot-o-gold.

He wouldn't do that. The Leprechaun is in tight with the Daley family.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:25:53pm

BTW...I'll bet Hillary just Sharted.

130 jemima  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:25:57pm

#119

It's only embarrassing to you and the "Rethuglicans." The Dems are having shooting thrills up and down their legs at the mere thought of a smile from The 0ne.

131 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:26:10pm

LOL! I have Fox on in the background and Alan Colmes just inadvertently threw Edwards under the bus. "we all know Edwards wasn't a significant candidate".


hahahahhaaaaa. ok Alan!

132 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:26:33pm

re: #126 wolfie

UN resolutions don't have any bite behind them anyways. The end result will be the same even if Russia votes for the resolution against them.

133 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:26:39pm

MarkX,

A strongly-worded letter.

On very nice stationery.

... and scented.

Smells like arugula.

134 CyanSnowHawk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:26:42pm

re: #125 Killgore Trout

I'm surprised by that too.

Probably has to do with the fact that the pipeline in question don't supply either the US or China.

135 jorline  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:26:52pm

Memo to the Obama campaign: Russia has veto power in the United Nations Security Council.

Obama's response...CHANGE the rules.

136 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:27:04pm

re: #121 Opinionated

I'm waiting- obviously in vain- for a Democrat in Congress- beside Lieberman- to get up and say: Enough is enough, I love my country first and the World is too dangerous a place for Obama to be President.

Is there not a second honorable Democrat in that entire body?

Liebermann is no longer a Democrat and we do him a disservice to label him as such. Even if he does still caucus with them, they clearly threw him straight under the bus last election.

137 Maximu§  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:27:16pm

An astoundingly bone-headed statement from Barack Obama today...

Barack Obama and his staff are goldfish swimming in a pool of sharks..

138 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:27:19pm

re: #105 Dirk Diggler

Obama also claims he's been warning the American people "for months" about the situation in Georgia.

I googled and could't find a thing.


I would love to BURN him on that.
It looks like he may be telling a flat-out, rotten LIE.

139 eastvillageinfidel  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:27:53pm

Did he consult with the president of Canada about this?

140 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:28:03pm
141 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:28:49pm

re: #131 FrogMarch

LOL! "we all know Edwards wasn't a significant candidate".

What about the 61 delegates he had acquired before dropping out?

142 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:29:05pm

McCain called for UN "action" as well.....
Georgia crisis tests presidential candidates

With Obama largely out of the news cycle this week, McCain has used the political vacuum to polish his foreign policy credentials.

"Russian President [Dmitry] Medvedev and Prime Minister Putin must understand the severe, long-term negative consequences that their government's actions will have for Russia's relationship with the U.S. and Europe," he said Monday, the latest in his harsh words for Russia.

He urged the U.N. Security Council to condemn the violence, even with the threat of a Russian veto. Russia's actions, he said, must be submitted to "the court of world opinion."

143 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:29:31pm

re: #96 Sharmuta
Oh crap, that is right. I forgot.

144 racegirl  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:30:10pm

He has 300 advisor's and no one said we have to talk?

145 gearhead  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:30:20pm

Further, he warned that Russian expansionism also poses a threat to residents of Florida, Alabama, Tenessee, and South Carolina.

146 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:30:30pm

His advisers won't tell Obama that the U.N. "collective security" mechanism, in the form of the U.N. Security Council, has now attained the effectiveness of the League of Nations.

Only U.S. support for the U.N. keeps it alive today.

147 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:30:43pm

re: #144 racegirl

He has 300 advisor's and no one said we have to talk?

Takes a long time to talk to 300 people. Or even read the email.

148 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:26pm

Obama kids, making asses of themselves.

/you know they don't give a [expletive deleted] about anybody else

149 Racer X  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:30pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

UN resolutions don't have any bite behind them anyways. The end result will be the same even if Russia votes for the resolution against them.

I agree - the U.N. is impotent.

They just think they're impotant.

150 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:34pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

He urged the U.N. Security Council to condemn the violence, even with the threat of a Russian veto. Russia's actions, he said, must be submitted to "the court of world opinion."

At least he pointed out the Russian veto power right in the statement.

151 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:40pm

re: #93 cincinnati_kid37

Yes it is

152 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:41pm

re: #132 Killgore Trout

UN resolutions don't have any bite behind them anyways. The end result will be the same even if Russia votes for the resolution against them.

So true.
But as buzzsaw says, they do have lovely stationery!

153 Alouette  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:45pm

Here's a song, dedicated to Putin

Devil Went Down to Georgia

154 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:31:53pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

but also this:NATO's North Atlantic Council should convene in emergency session to demand a ceasefire and begin discussions on both the deployment of an international peacekeeping force to South Ossetia and the implications for NATO's future relationship with Russia, a Partnership for Peace nation.[Link: www.johnmccain.com...]

155 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:32:02pm
We don't have a Duke of Somerset. Hazzard maybe - there might be a Duke of Hazzard left to show Obambi the ropes.

Obambi already takes advice from Ernesto Blofield/Dr. Evil.

156 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:33:06pm

re: #141 Mich-again

What about the 61 delegates he had acquired before dropping out?


I think Alan realized he screwed up right after the words popped out of his mouth.

157 quickjustice  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:33:08pm

Why didn't he just call Putin directly and order him out of Georgia? He commands, the Russians obey!

158 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:33:15pm

re: #146 quickjustice

High time we pulled the plugged.

159 Idle Drifter  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:33:39pm

Obama is nothing without consistency.

160 racegirl  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:33:39pm

re: #131 FrogMarch

now we have father flager. bad man

161 Maximu§  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:33:53pm

re: #144 racegirl

He has 300 advisor's and no one said we have to talk?


too many chiefs and not enough indians....or too many cooks stirring the pot

162 Opinionated  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:34:01pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

The difference is crucial. A majority of the Council can verbally condemn- as McCain is asking- but it takes Russia to allow a resolution to pass- which Obama fails to understand.

163 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:34:11pm

re: #150 Mich-again

At least he pointed out the Russian veto power right in the statement.

And he made this statement from the outset - not an hour ago.

164 gearhead  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:34:20pm

re: #158 wolfie

High time we pulled the plugged.

Are you referring to Edwards' mistress?

165 sparrowlake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:34:59pm

I looked into Putin's eyes today, and I saw a bloodthirsty KGB Commie lusting for a renewal of the Soviet Empire nice guy.

166 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:35:05pm

re: #156 FrogMarch

I think Alan realized he screwed up right after the words popped out of his mouth.

Alan is SO in the tank for Obama. He practically drools over him.

167 Maximu§  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:35:08pm

gotta go hang out with my son, he leaves for the Army next Monday...he wants to watch Starship Troopers.

168 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:35:20pm

re: #154 willowone

Yup, this is a job for NATO but I'm afraid NATO is not up for the job. They've become soft and weak. If Russia does go apeshit through Europe again they won't resist. They'll just wait for us to save them (again).

169 Fritz_Katz  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:35:45pm

re: #52 galloping granny

Abstaining from voting does not mean that they must refrain from commenting, threatening, bribery and arm-twisting. And VETO power has nothing to do with voting.

There's an update to the update at NRO. Turns out that Obama really doesn't know what he's talking about:


Dear Jonah,

Regarding your recent post on the UN Charter: Your reader failed to cite the full Article 27, which only calls for a member of the Security Council that is party to a dispute to abstain from voting if the matter at hand is being decided under Chapter VI or paragraph 3 of Article 52. Chapter VI of the Charter pertains to "Pacific Settlement of Disputes". It is a toothless chapter and simply amounts to the UN asking the parties involved to settle their disputes by peaceful means. Chapter VI resolutions are not binding on member states. Russia would not, however, be required to abstain from voting on any Article VII resolutions regarding a dispute to which it is a party. Article VII of the Charter pertains to "Action With Respect to Threats to the Peace, Breaches of the Peace, and Acts of Aggression," which has more teeth than Chapter VI (at least in theory) and is theoretically binding on all member states.

So, your first assumption regarding Obama was likely correct: He simply doesn't know what he is talking about, and has taken this opportunity to demonstrate once again his foreign policy cluelessness.
170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:36:09pm

re: #167 Maximu§

gotta go hang out with my son, he leaves for the Army next Monday...he wants to watch Starship Troopers.

Get him the book too, completely different (and much much better)

171 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:36:16pm

you're likely right, but to their own detriment

172 KSK  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:36:25pm

He could say:

Ich bin ein Kaukasier

173 lifeofthemind  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:36:26pm

Not ready for prime time.

174 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:36:51pm

re: #167 Maximu§

gotta go hang out with my son, he leaves for the Army next Monday...he wants to watch Starship Troopers.

We'll all be thinking of him. See Goddess to add him to the prayer list.

175 Maximu§  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:06pm

re: #170 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Get him the book too, completely different (and much much better)

I got the book but it did'nt mention co-ed showers....

176 jcm  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:07pm

re: #149 Racer X

I agree - the U.N. is impotent.

They just think they're impotant.

The only thing that gets the UN excited is little girls and screwing the USA.

177 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:19pm

I sure wish the weather wasn't so warm. I'm wanting to wear my vintage USMC jacket with the Marine Corps bulldog taking a bite out of the Soviet bear.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:20pm

re: #167 Maximu§

Thank him for his service. Have fun watching the killing of the bugs!

179 Maximu§  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:30pm

re: #174 galloping granny

We'll all be thinking of him. See Goddess to add him to the prayer list.

She did and she is a sweetheart.

180 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:31pm

re: #123 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. I grow a nice garden, considering I don't really like vegetables.
Three types of tomatoes, zucchini, green beans, malabar spinach, lettuce, chard, and cucumbers, with carrots and beets just planted (all heirloom open-pollinated, and grown by organic means). Partly it's just getting practice in--I'm a pessimist prepardeness type at heart, and like to know I can grow an organic garden if it comes to that. I do like the tomatoes, though, and I share the rest with others...

181 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:40pm

re: #59 MandyManners

Would it be fruitless to look for a connection between Putin and Soros?

Unfortunately there is a very strong connection between Soros and the president of Georgia. Don't google it, because you come up with whackjob antisemitic sites and pravda. I found a Globe and Mail article from 2003 with the info.

somebody cover me, I'm going in.... :-) If I'm not back, the LaRouchians may have captured me...send help! LOL

brb

182 Clutch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:49pm

D'oh!

Oh-bama reminds me of the Gumbies from Month Python... "I HAVE NAILED ME HEAD TO THE COFFEE TABLE".

183 Maximu§  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:37:53pm

cya all

184 maddogg  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:38:06pm

Obama is obviously ready to be the leader of the free world. Just as soon as he can figure out what all that means.

Hell, those Russkies, Islamists, and terrorists must be shaking in their boots. Bubba Gump gonna be Commander in Chief.

185 wolfie  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:38:15pm

re: #164 gearhead

Are you referring to Edwards' mistress?

LOL !
I can't sincerely apologize for that typo since it got me a good laugh..................thanks to you!

186 Archimedes  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:38:18pm

This shows you that if you want to be president you have to study up on all of those kinds of details.

I'm of the opinion that the job of president is too big. It requires too much knowledge, as they are supposed to be experts on energy, medicine, economics, etc. This is one reason, though not the primary one, that government should be limited in size and scope. Stick to defense, police, and courts in order to uphold rights. Leave the rest to the private sector.

Of course, Obama is a big government proponent who thinks he can lower sea level, so apparently he wants to assume level of expert on virtually everything.

187 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:38:34pm

re: #179 Maximu§

Have fun and wish your son well for me.

188 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:38:50pm

re: #177 Pvt Bin Jammin

I sure wish the weather wasn't so warm. I'm wanting to wear my vintage USMC jacket with the Marine Corps bulldog taking a bite out of the Soviet bear.


How about you should scan it in and have it printed on a T? Then we can all have one.

189 barry the baptist  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:38:54pm

We need more Patton and less Patton- leather.

190 racegirl  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:39:07pm

re: #167 Maximu§

Thank him and thank you. Hugs for him from me

191 gearhead  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:39:07pm

re: #185 wolfie

Glad to oblige ;-)

192 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:39:25pm

re: #181 funky chicken we send you with all things worthy, a super duper decoder ring, a pair of earplugs and morphine in case it's too painful.

193 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:39:56pm

re: #127 galloping granny

Did you ever take a psych class? Child, human development, abnormal - any of those will do. Read what you wrote.

I've thought up an informal psych profile on this clown. We do not want him as president. Just the least of it...a narcissist with abandonment issues.

194 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:40:08pm

re: #186 Archimedes
i imagine thats why they choose a cabinet, imagine Obamas

195 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:40:17pm

re: #105 Dirk Diggler

Obama also claims he's been warning the American people "for months" about the situation in Georgia.

I googled and could't find a thing.

Hey, I remember that. He told a bunch of millionaires in San Francisco that people from there cling to their guns and religion and are bitter and frightened of people who aren't like them.

Oops, wrong Georgia.
:)
nevermind
/Emily Litella

196 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:40:49pm

re: #195 Palandine
hahaha!

197 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:40:52pm

re: #188 galloping granny

Great idea! It's probably under copyright, though.

198 pingjockey  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:40:55pm

re: #167 Maximu§
Book is better. On a more serious note, you tell that young man I am proud of him, hell probably everyone here is. Also DIs don't bite...much!

199 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:40:56pm

Red Army Chorus sings Dark Eyes

Compare to the power of Obama

200 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:41:09pm
Saturday, April 16, 2005
Michael Milken Crony Helps Soros Topple Governments Around the World
George Soros no longer bothers denying that he funded and helped organize the so-called Rose Revolution — the uprising which toppled Eduard Shevardnadze from the presidency of the former Soviet Republic of Georgia in November 2003. Soros' role in the coup has become common knowledge (see, for instance, "Georgia Revolt Carried Mark of Soros" by Mark MacKinnon, Globe and Mail, November 26, 2003 and "Georgia on his Mind – George Soros' Potemkin Revolution" by Ambassador Richard Carlson, The Weekly Standard, May 24, 2004).

Now a cover story in the April 25 issue of The New Republic provides an additional piece to the puzzle. It informs us that one Peter Ackerman assisted Soros in his Georgian adventure.

The article "Regime Change, Inc." by TNR senior editor Franklin Foer offers an admiring portrait of Ackerman, a one-time Sixties radical turned investment banker, who worked closely with junk bond wizard Michael Milken at Drexel Burnham Lambert until the 1989 scandal erupted which sent Milken to prison for regulatory infractions.

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

MARK MACKINNON

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

E-mail
November 26, 2003 at 2:03 AM EDT

Tbilisi — It was back in February that billionaire financier George Soros began laying the brickwork for the toppling of Georgian President Eduard Shevardnadze.

That month, funds from his Open Society Institute sent a 31-year-old Tbilisi activist named Giga Bokeria to Serbia to meet with members of the Otpor (Resistance) movement and learn how they used street demonstrations to topple dictator Slobodan Milosevic. Then, in the summer, Mr. Soros's foundation paid for a return trip to Georgia by Otpor activists, who ran three-day courses teaching more than 1,000 students how to stage a peaceful revolution.

Last weekend, the Liberty Institute that Mr. Bokeria helped found was instrumental in organizing the street protests that eventually forced Mr. Shevardnadze to sign his resignation papers. Mr. Bokeria says it was in Belgrade that he learned the value of seizing and holding the moral high ground, and how to make use of public pressure — tactics that proved so persuasive on the streets of Tbilisi after this month's tainted parliamentary election.

In Tbilisi, the Otpor link is seen as just one of several instances in which Mr. Soros gave the anti-Shevardnadze movement a considerable nudge: He also funded a popular opposition television station that was crucial in mobilizing support for this week's "velvet revolution," and he reportedly gave financial support to a youth group that led the street protests.

He also has a warm relationship with Mr. Shevardnadze's chief opponent, Mikhail Saakashvili, a New York-educated lawyer who is expected to win the presidency in an election scheduled for Jan. 4. Last year, Mr. Soros personally presented Mr. Saakashvili with the foundation's Open Society Award.

[Link: www.theglobeandmail.com...]

201 Sully33  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:41:14pm

Keep talking Barry.... please,... keep talking. Wow...

202 Purple Prose  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:41:32pm

re: #127 galloping granny

Did you ever take a psych class? Child, human development, abnormal - any of those will do. Read what you wrote.

Most people have a lot more troubled a childhood than the Ozzie and Harriet version. Obama may be damaged because of his childhood, but anyone running for president, like many people who have overcome damage to become functioning adults, should have undergone intensive self-analysis. Obama's self-analysis seems to begin and end with "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." Googoogajoob. He will make the oceans recede and wars end.

A troubled childhood itself is not a disqualification for president, but if you don't look back at your past and look at yourself and then get over it, you end up a narcissistic self-pitying adult. Some people get over things, and some never do. Obama happens to have a lot of ambition too, maybe to prove something to the image of his father who he never knew. He even wrote a book "Dreams from my Father."

Hitler also had a troubled childhood, was narcissistic and self-pitying and had a lot of ambition. I would hope such a person would never be elected POTUS.

203 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:41:43pm

Here is a pretty good summary of how the Georgia-Russia conflict got to this point. Not a light read. Report of the Secretary-General on the situation in
Abkhazia, Georgia

204 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:41:52pm

re: #175 Maximu§

I got the book but it did'nt mention co-ed showers....

or fighting in BMX armor by charging forward in a tightly packed mob, lack of armor or close air support, etc etc

205 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:05pm

re: #197 Pvt Bin Jammin

Great idea! It's probably under copyright, though.

Nope. Marine Corp emblems are property of the US government - which makes them property of all of us. Public domain by definition. Government can't hold copyrights by law. Applies to stamps too - though not the more recent ones.

206 lifeofthemind  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:15pm
207 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:22pm
208 maddogg  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:26pm

re: #199 Ojoe

Red Army Chorus sings Dark Eyes

Compare to the power of Obama


Obama got those guys booked for his inauguration yet?

209 Archimedes  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:29pm

re: #194 willowone

i imagine thats why they choose a cabinet, imagine Obamas

Yes, they'd have to delegate, but even doing that presidents have to deal with a mind numbing number of issues.

210 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:30pm

re: #192 willowone

Thanks LOL I googled carefully and the first link that came up was from discoverthenetworks. Pshew, thank goodness!

211 Llanite  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:43pm

re: #124 CyanSnowHawk

There are 2 pipelines through Geogria:

1. The Baku-Supsa pipeline carries ~150,000 bbl/day.
2. The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline will carry ~1,000,000 bbl/day when at full capacity next year.

The world uses about 70,000,000 bbl/day. Interruption of the pipeline would only have an impact of 1.6% on the supply of crude - maybe an xtra $2.50 onto a barrel of oil?

The Nigerian strike is shutting in more production than that- this is small potatoes overall, though could impact European markets directly. They're lucky this isn't a winter campaign.

212 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:42:59pm

re: #142 Killgore Trout

McCain called for UN "action" as well.....
Georgia crisis tests presidential candidates

At least he acknowledged the veto.

213 Dizzy26  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:43:17pm

OT- Russia has veto power at Olympic platform diving as well.

The Russian judge gives USA divers the lowest scores of all 9 other
judges. 2 pt.s lower!

214 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:43:45pm

re: #209 Archimedes
agree

215 theheat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:43:53pm

If Russia gave a rip about the court of world opinion, they never would have acted militarily in the first place. Russia might indulge the UN and NATO allies by nodding and smiling, but they will assimilate Georgia piece by piece as they do. Everything at this point amounts to a strongly worded letter - whether from Bush, Obama, McCain, or anyone else.

216 Pvt Bin Jammin  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:44:04pm

re: #205 galloping granny

Thanks. That's good to know. We might get our t-shirts after all.

217 Dizzy26  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:44:33pm

Reminds me of the 60's btw

218 willowone  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:44:42pm

re: #210 funky chicken
i'm glad you arrived back to the land of the lizards, :dusts you off, hands you a margarita for work well done:

219 ciaospirit  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:44:54pm

Don't worry. George Clooney will know what to do about Russia, and then he'll email Obama.

GEORGE Clooney once declared he could never run for public office because he'd "slept with too many women, done too many drugs and been to too many parties".

But now the Hollywood heart-throb has entered the political arena - by becoming an unofficial adviser to US presidential front-runner Barack Obama.

Oscar-winner Clooney is said to be helping the Democratic candidate polish his image, but is also sharing his strong opinions on Iraq and the Middle East.
...
One described the pair's "amazing affinity", saying: "They are extremely close.

"George has been giving him advice on things such as presentation, public speaking and body language. He also emails him constantly about policy, especially the Middle East."

220 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:45:15pm

re: #208 maddogg

Obama got those guys booked for his inauguration yet?

That would likely be The Decemberists - the guys who opened for him in Oregon. Their opening tune is the national anthem of the USSR.

221 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:45:35pm

re: #167 Maximu§

gotta go hang out with my son, he leaves for the Army next Monday...he wants to watch Starship Troopers.

All other things aside, God bless both you and your son for your service.

222 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:46:17pm

Georgia on His Mind - George Soros's Potemkin Revolution.

By Amb. Richard Carlson
The Weekly Standard
May 24, 2004

At the Voice of America during the Cold War some of the most troublesome employees were those who broadcast daily to the Soviet Union and its satellite states, in Russian, Azeri, Georgian, Ukrainian, Serbo-Croatian, and so on. These staffers were often émigrés--well-educated, sometimes understandably bitter men and women whose attitudes had been formed by a Communist political system in which errors in judgment or action brought disproportional punishment, while rewards could derive from deep, back-channel manipulation of appearances and an avoidance of responsibility. ("Deny everything, make counter-allegations" seemed the guideline in discussions with senior managers. "I didn't do it. He did!" the standard retort.)

Of the more than 50 VOA language services at that time, the most blustering and contentious, emanating a continuing, colorful, and aggressive hostility to management (accompanied by an ironic, bizarre willingness to grovel to tough, uncompromising leadership) was that which broadcast to the Soviet Republic of Georgia.

I was in Georgia last month, and it is still colorful and still difficult, a poor country, poorer even than Haiti, with a new president but the same culture--one that cultivates a swaggering, prideful masculinity in its leaders who, since the fall of the Soviet Union, have been lionized by the U.S. foreign policy establishment and the Western press but who just as quickly seem to morph from lion to demon.

A case in point is Eduard Shevardnadze, once the Soviet foreign minister, who was for more than a dozen years invariably described in the West as a stalwart friend of democracy and a liberal, honest fellow. Six months ago, he was ousted as the president of Georgia in a coup led by his young protégé, Mikhail Saakashvili, who is glorying in the same lavish treatment from the State Department and the media. They now paint him as honest, liberal, and democratic, while Shevardnadze is Bronx-cheered as corrupt and murderous, a brute who was forced from office by what Saakashvili (with an unerring eye for the sixties-sentimentality of the Western media) dubs "The Rose Revolution."

Late last fall, Saakashvili led thousands of "spontaneous" demonstrators, bused in from around Tbilisi, brandishing flowers as they invaded the president's palace. This was during the freezing Georgian winter when any roses not black and brittle had to be flown or trucked in, courtesy of the same bankroll that funded the fleet of rented buses for demonstrators: that of George Soros, the Hungarian-born billionaire and egotist. A former member of the Georgian Parliament said that in the three months before the "Rose Revolution," "from August through October, Soros spent $42 million ramping-up for the overthrow of Shevardnadze."

Soros has publicly committed himself to funding the "democratic" presidency of Mikhail Saakashvili, just as he has publicly committed himself and his money to the destruction of the presidency of George W. Bush, whom he has compared to Yasser Arafat and Hitler. Soros and the United Nations are paying the wages of all of Saakashvili's top government officials--ministers, deputies, the road police, and others--on the grounds that this will keep them from stealing. As if bribery and corruption were simply a problem of immediate financial need, not greed.

[Link: www.defenddemocracy.org...]

223 Catttt  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:47:05pm

D'oh!

Barry is a moron!
Barry is a moron!
Nya nya nya nya NYAAA nya!

224 Macker  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:47:21pm

If I wasn't at work, I'd be using invectives galore...

SENATOR OBAMA, YOU IGNORANT IDIOT!

225 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:47:24pm

Can I just say as a St. Louisan that the Budweiser Olympic ads showing the Clydesdales break my heart? They're so awesome, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if inBev sells the hitch off when they take over.

Cost cutting, don't you know? Those horses eat a lot.

226 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:47:37pm

re: #219 ciaospirit

makes you feel safer already, doesn't it?

227 ciaospirit  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:47:38pm

re: #167 Maximu§

Many thanks.

228 galloping granny  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:48:16pm

re: #216 Pvt Bin Jammin

Thanks. That's good to know. We might get our t-shirts after all.

That also, BTW, applies to things like photos taken from outer space with our equipment, results of studies that we bought and paid for, and so on. One of the biggest scams around is some PhD candidate develops a neat computer program using a grant from the government. They get the PhD, we get the public domain computer program, the day after graduation they take that public domain computer program, throw in some neat additions they planned all along and start selling it for gazillions. That was how the biggest medical records software company started.

229 apocolypse yesterday  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:50:01pm

Obama wants to release the strategic petroleum reserve to help reduce gas prices.

If we did not have a SPR would we be in a weaker security position as we face these type of issues? Discuss.

230 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:50:38pm
231 joan  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:52:14pm

re: #29 Milk Toast Intolerant

Obama does have a messianic complex, but he's really too stupid to be the anti-christ.

*snicker* thanks, I needed that.

232 Paul  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:53:35pm

"Georgians are typical Caucasians."

/Obama

233 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:54:01pm

re: #232 Paul

"Georgians are typical Caucasians."

/Obama

Bitter and clingy

234 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:54:39pm
235 Archimedes  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:55:44pm

re: #29 Milk Toast Intolerant

Obama does have a messianic complex, but he's really too stupid to be the anti-christ.

That's funny! I can see it now, an SNL skit based on "The Dumb Anti-Christ Guy".

236 gearhead  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:56:22pm
George Soros, the Hungarian-born billionaire and egotist

Heh.

237 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:56:47pm

Paging Ploome - are you still here?

238 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:57:10pm

re: #230 buzzsawmonkey

Not to mention the amount of "beer" they produce.

Clydesdale pee is way stronger than Budweiser. :) Still, the Clydesdale hitch is vintage St. Louis. I hope inBev realizes that.

239 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:57:21pm
240 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:57:38pm
241 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:59:09pm

re: #225 Palandine

Can I just say as a St. Louisan that the Budweiser Olympic ads showing the Clydesdales break my heart? They're so awesome, and it wouldn't surprise me one bit if inBev sells the hitch off when they take over.

Cost cutting, don't you know? Those horses eat a lot.

When I was a kid, at Carnival in New Orleans each year, there would be one parade where the Clydesdales would appear. That was always my favorite parade. The horses are magnificent. I loved them then, and still do.

242 Purple Prose  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 6:59:21pm

There is a convergence between Obamanalysis and evolutionary thought.

There are some species of animals, like the Axolotl, that are neotonous, which means they reach sexual maturity without undergoing transformation from a larval stage to an adult stage. The Axolotl is an cave-dwelling amphibian that evolved from earlier amphibians that could undergo metamorphosis, but, in its environment, not reaching the adult stage was advantageous. Mutations that allowed for reproductive capacities to be reached before metamorphosis were favored in the lineage that gave rise to the Axolotl.

Obama is likewise a juvenile who has reached reproductive age before ever maturing into an adult with some grounding and thoughts of his own. He is a teenager who has the power to hypnotize certain people with his empty teenage rhetoric and is useful to other neotenous humans - baby-boomer 60s leftovers, black separatists, etc. The thought of a teenager in the White House is quite disturbing.

243 apocolypse yesterday  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:00:30pm

Do you think we can round up the "human shields" from the pre-Iraq War and send them to Georgia? Sean Penn please jump on a plane and help out the Georgians.

244 Paul  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:01:04pm

"This is not the Russia I know."

/Obama

245 David IV of Georgia  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:02:18pm

I figured out who the 300 advisors are and how they conduct research:

Who do you suppose is behind those sidebar polls on webpages that say—
Which do you like better, Coke™ or Pepsi™? Answer and "win" a free* iPhone.

"Coke or Pepsi" is important demographics that determine world politics.

It seems so obvious now...

246 outsidephilly  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:03:07pm

. . . Mark Twain was speaking about the likes of BHO when he said,
'. . . , suppose you were an idiot, suppose you were a member of
Congress - but then I repeat myself'

247 FrogMarch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:09:07pm

re: #160 racegirl

now we have father flager. bad man

Very bad and very strange.

248 thelongblogger  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:09:43pm

re: #240 buzzsawmonkey

Extra credit for quoting Hotspur Harry Percy

249 jpkoch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:10:17pm

re: #202 Purple Prose


Nice post. The late journalist Theodore White compared RM Nixon to Hubert Humphrey. Both grew up in destitute families. RM Nixon's mother and younger brother both died of TB. His father was a poor orange farmer, and Nixon had to scimp and save in order to afford Whittier College (he did benefit from some scholarship money from local businessmen). Humphrey's family was just as poor; yet, his father saved enough money to take his family to the local symphony each year. Poverty affected each man differently, however. Humphrey became a champion for the poor; Nixon strove to reach the affluence and more importantly the social status of those he went to law school with (Nixon went to Duke, and admitted that he had no time to indulge in any screwing around as he could easily lose his scholarship if his grades dropped below a certain level). Nixon was the perfect striver, never satisfied with his station in life. Even after he became a wealthy bond lawyer in Manhattan during the mid 60s, he nursed his grudges against Them (The East Coast Elite, which included many RHINOS). Humphrey, while never winning the Presidency remained serene, even in defeat. Nixon, even after winning the Presidency was still not satisfied.

Obama has the exact opposite problem. He is expected to be the next FDR, JFK, and Gandhi combined. He really believes his own rhetoric. His wife eluded to as much when she snipped, "A President Obama will force you to leave your comfort zones. He will challenge you..." She also said her husband would heal our broken, wounded souls. Now, is he running for Arch-Bishop of Chicago or President? To the Obamas, it is the same thing.

The kind of people who now run as President all seem to have somewhat defective personalities (Reagan and the Bushes are exception). Slick Willey had a serious problem with the Truth; his wife has a serious problem with the Constitution, and Obama has a serious problem with grandiose illusions.

250 racegirl  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:10:27pm

Get the facts first. You can distort them later. Mark Twain
re: #246 outsidephilly

. . . Mark Twain was speaking about the likes of BHO when he said,
'. . . , suppose you were an idiot, suppose you were a member of
Congress - but then I repeat myself'

Get the facts first. You can distort them later. Mark Twain


Get the facts first. You can distort them later. Mark Twain

251 Mars Needs Neocons  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:12:16pm

re: #202 Purple Prose

Most people have a lot more troubled a childhood than the Ozzie and Harriet version. Obama may be damaged because of his childhood, but anyone running for president, like many people who have overcome damage to become functioning adults, should have undergone intensive self-analysis. Obama's self-analysis seems to begin and end with "I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together." Googoogajoob. He will make the oceans recede and wars end.

A troubled childhood itself is not a disqualification for president, but if you don't look back at your past and look at yourself and then get over it, you end up a narcissistic self-pitying adult. Some people get over things, and some never do. Obama happens to have a lot of ambition too, maybe to prove something to the image of his father who he never knew. He even wrote a book "Dreams from my Father."

On suggestions from several lizards here, I have started to look through his books. Frankly the anger and bitterness toward so many in his family, especially his mother, shine through. I think this is a deeply disturbed person who hasn't had much control over his life, so he wants to control ours.
Hitler also had a troubled childhood, was narcissistic and self-pitying and had a lot of ambition. I would hope such a person would never be elected POTUS.

252 Robert O.  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:12:49pm

re: #84 galloping granny

I am of the understanding that there are three types of votes in the UN Security Council: 'Yes', 'No', and 'Abstain'. A 'No' vote by a permanent member is a Veto. An 'Abstain' isn't. Thus, China has actually only used the Veto sparingly, choosing 'Abstain' on most occasions (other than issues it perceives to be intolerable) in order maintain cordial relationships with as many countries as possible. It is a bit like calling 'Present' in Congress and not having to take a stand on divisive matters.

Therefore, if Russia has to 'Abstain' because according to Article 27, it's a procedural matter related to Russia, they cannot Veto by themselves. They will probably be able to count on China to bail them out, but it will also give China an opportunity to extract political concessions from Russia behind closed doors (and why not, since the Sino-Russian pseudo-alliance is only one of convenience, and China, with its own independent ambitions, will be weary of an expansionist Russia who it has fought several wars with).

253 Dr. Shalit  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:13:11pm

Actually, the State Department should ask Sen. Obama to draft the resolution, have Our Amabassador (Khalmazedi, I Believe) introduce it with attribution to Sen. Obama, and let the world, televised to the max, see the result. Schadenfreud runs deep, into your heart it will creep...

-S-

254 jpkoch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:16:21pm

re: #243 apocolypse yesterday

Do you think we can round up the "human shields" from the pre-Iraq War and send them to Georgia? Sean Penn please jump on a plane and help out the Georgians.


Admiral Penn is currently serving aboard the USS Spicoli. Rumor has it, the Spicoli is setting sail for the Black Sea. Should get interesting.

255 ypnxjkb  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:16:39pm

I knew that.
B.O.

256 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:17:02pm

re: #252 Robert O.

Therefore, if Russia has to 'Abstain' because according to Article 27


It's not clear they do.

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

257 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:21:02pm

Memo to McCain campaign, POUNCE on this one, he's completely clueless on foreign policy... (yet again..)

258 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:23:11pm

I just saw this. What a complete idiot. How many hundred advisers does this guy have? That's the weird thing. Who is managing this dolt. Is everybody over there stupid? Scary.

259 grahamski  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:24:36pm

re: #129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

BTW...I'll bet Hillary just Sharted.

Now that was uncalled for!....


LMFAO!

260 HelloDare  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:24:51pm

re: #257 Yankee Division Son

Memo to McCain campaign, POUNCE on this one, he's completely clueless on foreign policy... (yet again..)

Can't wait for the campaign spot on this one.

261 grahamski  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:26:58pm

re: #258 HelloDare

I just saw this. What a complete idiot. How many hundred advisers does this guy have? That's the weird thing. Who is managing this dolt. Is everybody over there stupid? Scary.

Why that would be David Axelrod the communist.....err, progressive.

262 MajorPribluda  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:28:38pm

re: #167 Maximu§

gotta go hang out with my son, he leaves for the Army next Monday...he wants to watch Starship Troopers.


I recommend MOST HIGHLY that he forget that miserable movie, and instead READ Starship Troopers. Wonderful book, very good introduction to the military mind-set.

Congratulations, by the way. And hang in there!

263 nyc redneck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:30:49pm

it is really bad that this person, who is so uninformed abt. the basic facts and history of our country , has gotten so close to becoming potus.
we would do better just picking a name out of the phone book.

264 MajorPribluda  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:32:44pm

re: #261 grahamski

Why that would be David Axelrod the communist.....err, progressive.

But you repeat yourself.

265 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:33:22pm

re: #146 quickjustice

His advisers won't tell Obama that the U.N. "collective security" mechanism, in the form of the U.N. Security Council, has now attained the effectiveness of the League of Nations.

Only U.S. support for the U.N. keeps it alive today.

And it's time to let it die. Or let it move outside the US and survive without our money or other support.

266 outsidephilly  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:34:52pm

re: #263 nyc redneck

it is really bad that this person, who is so uninformed abt. the basic facts and history of our country , has gotten so close to becoming potus.
we would do better just picking a name out of the phone book.

pick a name out of the phone book - now, that's the sort of CHANGE this country needs! I vote the name pickin' comes from the philly phone book . . .

267 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:34:52pm

re: #263 nyc redneck

Or elect my dog. He's a very good dog!

268 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:35:19pm

re: #261 grahamski

managed by Sauron IMHO

269 lifeofthemind  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:35:42pm

As always an outstanding thread at The Belmont Club on Georgia's move to the southern redoubt. Particularly impressed by j-rog mentioning Men of Harlech. Maybe the barbarian horde will be beaten back. Just for good measure we should make clear that Putin is not among the Men of the West and the Georgians are.

270 Naso Tang  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:36:20pm

This may be stupid question, but is there not propaganda value in forcing a state to veto a resolution against itself?

271 Orangutan  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:36:29pm

Obama reminds me of one of the very worst teachers (well, educational folks) I ever ran into....Mrs. Kallgren in New Milford, Connecticut.

I was sitting next to the window on the bus (it was a 45 minute bus ride) and this kid who had announced for months that he was going to kick my arse got on and sat next to me....within a couple minutes he and I were pushing each other and a few more minutes he punched....I punched a few back and ended up throttling him (he had given me crap for months)....so I get to school, am called to the office mid-way through ... cool my heels ... and end up talking to Mrs. Kallgren, the guidance counselor....who was so disappointed in me...a smart kid should be more mature...so she asked me, after that boy had punched me, why didn't I ask him why he punched me, as opposed to punching back....

I pretty well checked out of the rest of the day's lectures from various administrators after that point. That was sixth grade. Mrs. Kallgren is well represented politically by her union...and by Obama.

272 grahamski  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:36:45pm

re: #264 MajorPribluda

But you repeat yourself.

I hate when that happens...

273 outsidephilly  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:37:00pm

re: #267 funky chicken

Or elect my dog. He's a very good dog!

BUT is he willing to make the necessary CHANGES this country needs?

274 lifeofthemind  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:39:08pm

re: #262 MajorPribluda

I recommend MOST HIGHLY that he forget that miserable movie, and instead READ Starship Troopers. Wonderful book, very good introduction to the military mind-set.

Congratulations, by the way. And hang in there!

Thread suggestion:
Best movies for illustrating, teaching the best of military values, 3 each..

1. 12 O'Clock High
2. In Which We Serve
3. We Were Soldiers Once, and Young

275 MajorPribluda  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:40:42pm

re: #270 Naso Tang

This may be stupid question, but is there not propaganda value in forcing a state to veto a resolution against itself?

Yes, but not nearly as much as there is in destroying tanks moving at full speed from platforms that haven't touched land since they left the continental U.S.

276 DistantThunder  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:41:13pm

re: #249 jpkoch

Ford was decent

277 Shug  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:42:16pm

He doesn't know what veto means

278 ProUSA  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:46:26pm

re: #59 MandyManners

Would it be fruitless to look for a connection between Putin and Soros?

Fruitless? No. It should be imperative -- especially since Soros back BHO for POTUS.

279 grahamski  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:46:38pm

re: #277 Shug

He doesn't know what veto means

Hey , you say veto, and he thinks your talking about one of the goodfella's.

280 Sounder  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:49:40pm

THE MAN IS A BIG IDIOT

281 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:49:56pm

I just asked my little brother, who is 10 years old, which countries are on the United Nations Security Council. After not knowing what it was, he guessed a few countries.

Guess what he guessed?

China
Russia

My little brother is more qualified to lead the United States of America than Senator Barack Obama.

282 Naso Tang  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 7:53:56pm

re: #275 MajorPribluda

Yes, but not nearly as much as there is in destroying tanks moving at full speed from platforms that haven't touched land since they left the continental U.S.

Are you seriously suggesting we declare war on Russia? We have sympathies with Georgia, but there is the little fact that they seem to have seriously miscalculated how to handle their long simmering civil war when they have known for a decade or more that the Russians were still festering for a comeback after losing most of their empire.

The issue now is how to make the Russians appear to the world that they are not to be trusted to behave any different from what they have been in the past, and while I certainly don't suggest that Obama is the celebrity to make that happen, sending in the bombers is insane.

283 Seaberry  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:06:49pm

If we thought that Jimmy “The Mullah” Carter was an embarrassment as President, then wait to see what happens if Obama gets elected…sheesh!

284 FresnoBob  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:10:03pm

CNN just ran a spot examining how the candidates responded to the Georgia crisis in order to establish their foreign policy bonafides. They ran a clip of BHO making his UN statement and Sen. McCain's response. Some dimwit from Rand Corp. just declared that they both had gotten it about right or something to that effect. I checked the Rand Corps website and they are soliciting interviews with former Amb. Robert Hunter, a Clinton appointment and some PHD by the name of F. Stephen Larrabee.

Nothing to see here folks, the experts have spoken! In fact, they are foreign policy equals! /sarc

285 BGOH  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:11:20pm

After all of the stupid things that Obambi and his surrogates have both said and done this year, I didn't think he could do anything to leave me speechless.

He has just done that with this statement, and I'm starting to get a headache.

286 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:20:46pm

re: #270 Naso Tang

This may be stupid question, but is there not propaganda value in forcing a state to veto a resolution against itself?

There is value in forcing a vote to see where the cards fall. That's what McCain is calling for. He specifically acknowledged Russia's veto power but wants to push for a vote anyway.

Obama and Richardson seem to think the Security Council can pass a resolution to condemn Russia.

287 Macker  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:27:07pm

re: #254 jpkoch

Admiral Sea Marshal Penn is currently serving aboard the USS Admiral Spicoli. Rumor has it, the Spicoli is setting sail for the Black Sea. Should get interesting.

There, fixed that for ya!

288 chipset  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:36:06pm

Well, just goes to show that in my freshman year of college, I learned more about the UN, and the UNSC, than Mr. Obama did with his Harvard education.

Perhaps he should have used a teleprompter.

289 markos  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:38:05pm

Now that Obama is making Dan Quayle look good, why are his daily tracking polls staying up?

290 Robert O.  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:46:12pm

re: #256 Wendya

Thanks for clearing that up!

I also just read on ABC Australia that France has tabled a Resolution, and the article says Russia does have the power of veto, so I guess you are right.

Russia rejects draft UN peace resolution

Russia's ambassador to the United Nations has rejected a proposed Western draft resolution in the Security Council that would call for an immediate truce between Russia and Georgia and for the mutual withdrawal of their forces from the conflict zone.

France presented the resolution, calling for an immediate ceasefire in Georgia, and withdrawal of all troops from Georgia's two breakaway enclaves, South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

The text was based on a three-point peace plan calling for an immediate truce, respect for Georgia's territorial integrity and a return to the status quo that prevailed before Georgian troops punched into South Ossetia last week to wrest control from Moscow-backed separatists.

But Russian ambassador Vitaly Churkin told reporters: "I cannot see us accepting this French draft."

The United States had wanted to condemn what it said was Russia's unwarranted "military assault" on Georgia, but one diplomat said the French and other Europeans tried to avoid language that was certain to provoke a Russian veto.

As a permanent member of the Security Council, Russia has the power to prevent any resolution from passing.

[Link: www.abc.net.au...]


While proposing a resolution that Russia can veto may sound stupid, in reality, our options are quite limited. I would suggest that the few people here who are actively contemplating military action against the world's largest nuclear stockpile are out of their minds. Not having the military option, diplomacy is the only thing left. Even if Russia vetoes a resolution, gaining an overwhleming majority of 'Yes' votes from other countries - and if possible, getting China to vote against Russian expansionism, is going to be a setback for them, and humiliation for Comrade Putin. It will also be a first step towards diplomatic action, possibly economic sanctions if Russian aggression continues. Does it fall short of what we would desire? Absolutely. I am not arguing against that. Do we have many alternatives? No, we don't. We can, and need to strengthen NATO and fast-track Ukraine's admission into it so former Soviet satellites and Republics can feel safety in numbers, and Putin cannot realise his dream of reviving the USSR. But that's a separate story.

291 Abu Al-Poopypants  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:48:53pm

re: #289 markos

Now that Obama is making Dan Quayle look good, why are his daily tracking polls staying up?

YesWeCanHopeChange™.

292 6pat6  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:49:31pm

Well, it looks like B-HO had a chance to just STFU and maybe learn something about the world, as it pertains to Russia/Georgia/Ukraine/et al, but noooo, he chose to really put his foot in about five feet of uninformed shit. And he wants to "lead" the Free World.

Wow.

293 6pat6  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:50:18pm

re: #291 Abu Al-Poopypants

Quayle looks like an MIT-educated rocket scientist compared to B-HO.

294 yochanan  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:51:49pm

PUTIN is looking for 'SUDATEN RUSSIANS'

295 6pat6  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:54:16pm

re: #80 galloping granny

How the heck do you listen to THREE HUNDRED advisers on foreign policy and national security

"Leadership by consensus is negated"
--- Lady Margaret Thatcher

B-HO needs to keep that in mind, IF he becomes POTUS (God forbid!)

296 6pat6  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:55:58pm

re: #145 gearhead

Gotta watch Atlanta, by gosh! They've been eying the whole South for years and years!

297 yochanan  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 8:59:59pm

the next POTUS will have to deal with the iranian nukes

THE ONE doesn't have a clue.

298 6pat6  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:01:52pm

re: #229 apocolypse yesterday

Makes perfectly good sense! Take oil from the SPR that we bought from anywhere from $12/bbl up to about $115/bbl, and then replenish it with $150/bbl oil! Our gub'mint in action! There's HOPE for ya!

All this SPR stock, if depleted, is only about a WEEK worth of use at today's rate of use. B-HO...he sure is a smart cookie!

/do I have to?

299 kuffar  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:15:58pm

I am stumped stupid as how a man of such utter unqualification, a man so psychologically damaged as the great Obamatang, has a chance of getting elected to the Presidency of the United States and join a club populated by men who have no equals.

And that the first Black Man will be a member of the Party of Segregation and the Klan.

300 pegcity  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:45:53pm

re: #299 kuffar

we live in strange times.

The media has made politics a game of image not substance, and no one fits that mold better than the Obama

301 Notakook  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:09:21pm

re: #289 markos

Now that Obama is making Dan Quayle look good, why are his daily tracking polls staying up?

YesWeCanHopeChange™.

Because If Democrats had any brains they'd be Republicans
-Ann Coulter-

302 RTLM  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:45am

re: #297 yochanan

I think Israel will deal with them sooner than later. This Russian mess only accelerates the time frame.

Bibi!

303 RTLM  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:10:20am

re: #289 markos

Now that Obama is making Dan Quayle look good, why are his daily tracking polls staying up?

He's yet to break 50% - days before the clown-act Dem Convention.

(Not-so-good.)

What poll are you looking at? A link would help.

304 Ledger1  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:26am

re: #303 RTLM

Obama:

Me too!

McCain stole my speech!

I have been educated in the best colleges in the world so do try to confuse me with the facts!

If I were in charge, the only difference is I would have sent in the best troops from Moscow. That would have lead to a peaceful resolution to the horrible bloodshed. {Sniff}

[Paid advertisement for MyObama.com]

/

305 nacazo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:00:33am

We should secretly flood Georgia via Turkey with Stingers, HEAT, torpedos, IEDs. Do an Iraq on the Russians.

306 nacazo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:05:11am

Where is Charlie Wilson when one needs one. We should be flooding Georgia with weapons. Every Georgian should own a dozen IEDs by now.
Stingers should be flooding the streets of Tbilisi. Get them thru Turkey or get an airlift. Whatever is necessary.

307 JAT  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:48:26am

And he wants to lead the free world? Maybe he should star in a Ben Stiller movie. Then they can dump Robert Downey, Jr.

308 reallygone  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:09:51am

Richardson made the same mistake on Fox News interview. Not only that, he called for the UN to send in "peacekeepers". Yeah. Right. As if Russia would approve that!

These guys are real hicks. And it is especially stupid of Richardson since he was in the UN at one point. What are these guys drinking?

309 iowavette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:46:24am

Experience does count. Nobama.

310 Gumby  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:49:56am

Somewhere in Kenya there's a village looking for it's idiot!

311 code red 21  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:04:49am

What really pisses me off royally is that so many people don't give a damn about what BO doesn't know all they care about is that he's going to give them a check. I'll bet most of the people in this country that hear about Georgia being invaded by the Russians think it's Georgia, USA and are wondering why George Bush doesn't stop it.

312 HBob  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:18:17am

re: #13 Mich-again

300 advisers helped prepare that statement.

All of them are Rove's agents. It was a set up and Obama fell for it. BWAA HA HA HA HA!

313 Red Lion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 8:20:17am

I think Bush looks just as silly, calling Russia's action "unacceptable" while accepting it ... Then again, he always looks stupid and silly. Such a profoundly ignorant man. How did he ever become our president? Oh, yeah, he stole it, fair and square, in Florida 2000 ...

314 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 8:22:13am

re: #313 Red Lion

I think Bush looks just as silly, calling Russia's action "unacceptable" while accepting it ... Then again, he always looks stupid and silly. Such a profoundly ignorant man. How did he ever become our president? Oh, yeah, he stole it, fair and square, in Florida 2000 ...

Would you care to explain how it is that you continue to expound this often discredited lie, here on this inactive thread?

315 quickjustice  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 8:37:56am

re: #308 reallygone

It's even worse than you say. The Russians ARE the U.N. designated peacekeepers in the rebel regions in Georgia. They called their entire invasion a "peacekeeping operation"!

316 Cimbrian  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:34:18am

This wasn't even remotely a blunder on Obama's part. Over the weekend the U.S. envoy to the United Nations was also calling for a resolution condemning Russia. The French already have their cease-fire draft out, and McCain has supported a resolution as well. The fact that Russia has vetoing power does not make it fertile to push for a resolution as it would be a significant diplomatic defeat if the Russia were forced to use their veto.

Even back in April Barack Obama released statements about Georgia, mainly criticizing Russia, and in July he called for a neutral peacekeeping force in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

317 big L  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:17:23am

Can you imagine what his cabinet and appointees would look like. Make Shalala and Reno look like geniuses.
Yikes!

(also Bill richardson who spent 19 moths as UNAmbassador forgot that Sovs, I mena Russia had permanent seat on the UN SEc council and a veto.)
(dope)

318 big L  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:23:46am

My guess is that if Bama gets the win, he'll be outa therein a bout a year.Too hard. and he'll discover he has sickle-cell anemia and has to treat that. Besides he'll get campaign cash some how bestowed on him, 200 million or so.
So lets see who is his choice. I think it willbe a gov, like Walkin' Laughton Chiles of Fl or Janet Granholm.
ones dead and ones a canadian...oops no prob for donks tho.

319 big L  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:29:39am

nazis wiped out Poland, a Christian separate country in august '39.
/looks like the Late Thrities Redux a comin' on...
"I have Herr Putin's signature on this document of CEase fire! We wil haf peace in our time."

320 lhc996rider  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:52:01am

re: #313 Red Lion

I think Bush looks just as silly, calling Russia's action "unacceptable" while accepting it ... Then again, he always looks stupid and silly. Such a profoundly ignorant man. How did he ever become our president? Oh, yeah, he stole it, fair and square, in Florida 2000 ...

You, sir, are an idiot.

321 see bs  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:06:38am

re: #313 Red Lion

MOBY?

322 Lawrior  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:11:29am

I'm sure that Obama's hope for Russian change will work the miracle he expects.

323 AZDave  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:54:32am
Obama Calls for UN to Pass Resolution Condemning Russia

Did he at least say that with a merci beaucoup?

324 AZDave  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:57:10am

re: #10 J.S.

There was someone else who made a joke about that 3 am phone call -- in the event of a world crisis/ impending emergency situation, Obama would immediately phone the UN...

Not really. He'd hand the phone over to Michelle--someone with balls>

325 AZDave  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:05:19pm

re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I think this is the last thing Soros wants to see right now. His puppet is beginning to look a little wooden.

Termites of reality!


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