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Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:38:11 pm PDT

Should one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?

— Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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trailortrash Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:39:29pm

zoneing out, have a good night people :)

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:39:47pm

Claimed for Kragaristan!

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:40:29pm

Ouch! I don't like that quote. Erase, erase, erase! Boy that pulls you up short and makes you question American leadership today, doesn't it?

BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:40:48pm

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:41:48pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

Those were the Spartans.

BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:42:49pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay, but still it applies to the Romans as well.

/so many facts and factoids running in my head, I get a few scrambled occasionally.

Shug Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:44:01pm

I think there is plenty of courage in America

and if Obama wins, we'll need all of it

looking closely Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:44:28pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

It was the ancient Greeks who used that refrain.

It was because in standard rank formation, a soldier's shield was used to protect the soldier NEXT to them. For that reason, losing your shield was letting your team down, and was considered highly dishonorable.

varmint Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:45:39pm

solzhenitsyn was on a train, heading from one siberian hell to another. he sat next to an old woman who kept repeating to herself...

"people have forgotten god, that is why all of this has happened."

he wrote that in the following 40 years of research and study, he never found a better explanation than that.

lefty201 Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:45:53pm

Welcome here adventurous stranger
Ring the bell and bide the danger
or wonder till it drives you mad
what would have happened if you had

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:46:37pm

re: #7 Shug

I think there is plenty of courage in America

and if Obama wins, we'll need all of it

Except for those who think that "courage" means voting for a symbol, rather than a leader.

Sure would like to have a debate TODAY between BHO and McC vis-a-vis Russia/Georgia.

RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:46:41pm

re: #3 Russkilitlover

Why should we look at it solely from the viewpoint of "leadership"?

Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:47:05pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.

Shug Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #11 Russkilitlover

Except for those who think that "courage" means voting for a symbol, rather than a leader.

Sure would like to have a debate TODAY between BHO and McC vis-a-vis Russia/Georgia.

Obama thinks the Russians are in Atlanta

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:47:33pm

Troglodyte

rawmuse Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:23pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout
(sung rhythmically)
"gotta find a woman! gotta find a woman! gotta find a woman! gotta find a woman!"

looking closely Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:33pm

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.

The Spartans were famous for their military efficiency. In fact, the very word, "spartan" used as an adjective is synonymous with frugality and self-denial.

The same was true about Spartan wit, which characteristicly employed a terseness with words.

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:37pm

re: #12 RedPepper

Why should we look at it solely from the viewpoint of "leadership"?

What viewpoint would you look at it through? (Oooh, crappy grammar, but it's late and I'm tiredP).

Individual courage is not encouraged nor acknowledged. Community courage is not reported on or if it is, it is mocked. Our leadership defines us. Our three branches of government make a stand for all of us. You can say "well, I have courage," but how is that conveyed as NATIONAL courage? The impression we are giving now is that with the exit of our current administration, we will be weak and vulnerable. American courage is being tested by Russia today. Do we have an answer? Doesn't look like it, individual blustering commentary, notwithstanding.

ggt Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:40pm

Another new thread? My knees can't take the stress this late.

Night all!

weet dreams!

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:53:00pm

re: #14 Shug

BHO thinks Russians are people who hurry too much! He's got his 300 advisors throwing a whole bunch of crap at his brain right now. It will be interesting to see what his grey matter can process and articulate.

Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:53:26pm

re: #8 looking closely

It was because in standard rank formation, a soldier's shield was used to protect the soldier NEXT to them. For that reason, losing your shield was letting your team down, and was considered highly dishonorable.

I am no historian, nor a scholar, but it was my understanding that coming home without your shield meant that you had dropped it in order to more effectively run away from the battle.

Robert O. Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:54:21pm

On a day full of bad news in Georgia, here's a brightener:

Michael Phelps has now won three Golds in 2008, equally the all-time record of nine Olympic Gold medals.

gearhead Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:58:44pm

Obama's 300
Leonidas' 300
...ancient times...
...decline in courage...

There's a theme in here somewhere.

A Kiwi Infidel Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:58:55pm

It is 5.00pm so from me, here in NZ, it is "good-day and good-night to you all"

jaunte Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:00:41pm

Goodnight all.
"Courage is reckoned the greatest of all virtues; because, unless a man has that virtue, he has no security for preserving any other." ~Samuel Johnson

Dirk Diggler Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:00:50pm

looking closely,

The Spartans were famous for their military efficiency. In fact, the very word, "spartan" used as an adjective is synonymous with frugality and self-denial.

The same was true about Spartan wit, which characteristicly employed a terseness with words.

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:02:41pm

re: #25 jaunte

Goodnight all.
"Courage is reckoned the greatest of all virtues; because, unless a man has that virtue, he has no security for preserving any other." ~Samuel Johnson

I like the quote from the other day.....something along the lines of adversity brings out any man's character, but it's power that really tests that character. Wow, oh wow. Is that ever true!

Mr Spiffy Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:02:44pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

got an upding on account of being so unPC

lol

JeremyR Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:03:42pm

re: #9 varmint

A high ranking Russian General was riding a train through the Urals. In the compartment with him rode a lowly Polish private, a beautiful young lady, and an old woman well past her years and devoid of any resemblence of beauty.
The train entered a tunnel and all was black. The darkness was pierced by the sound of a kiss, followed by a hearty smack.
When the train emerged from the tunnel, the general sported a fresh shinner.
The general thought to himself "that no good private, he kisses the girl, and I get slapped."
The old woman thinks, "Good for that young lass, not allowing advances on her like that."
The young lady thinks, "why did the general kiss the old woman instead of me?"
The polish private thinks, "Man oh man am I smart. I kiss the back of my hand, punch a general, and no one will ever know."

Steffan Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:04:32pm

Heh. This could be fun to watch:

Evidence accumulates favoring the possibility of a Hillary coup at the Denver convention, and it is being noticed among the sharper observers of politics.

From within the Hillary camp comes a far-from-innocent observation by her former communications director, Howard Wolfson. Brian Ross and Kaje Tapper of ABC News report:

Sen. Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic presidential nominee if John Edwards had been caught in his lie about an extramarital affair and forced out of the race last year, insists a top Clinton campaign aide, making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

"I believe we would have won Iowa, and Clinton today would therefore have been the nominee," former Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson told ABC News.com.

Once upon a time, Hillary dismissed this sort of speculation with the phrase,. "shoulda, coulda, woulda...." But if anyone thinks Wolfson is saying this all on his own, for no particular reason, they ought to read up on the history of the Clinton Machine.

There's a lot more where that came from. Go read the whole thing.

RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:05:10pm

re: #18 Russkilitlover

From what viewpoint would you look at it ~~through~~ ? (My attempt ...)

Well, by way of an answer, here is a quote - usually attributed (apparently, incorrectly) to Sir Winston Churchill :

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ~ (not) Winston Churchill

[ According to The Churchill Centre ( [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...] ) , Churchill never said this : “We base this on careful research in the canon of fifty million words by and about Churchill, including all of his books, articles, speeches and papers.” ]

Oh, well. It's still a not-completely-bogus way to look at it, even if Winston didn't say it ...

RememberSekhmet? Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:07:13pm

must...sleep...soon

Weet dreams

looking closely Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:08:09pm

re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth

I am no historian, nor a scholar, but it was my understanding that coming home without your shield meant that you had dropped it in order to more effectively run away from the battle.

Absolutely, that too.

The point is, though, that because of the widespread use of the phalanx formation, the shield took on special significance for the Ancient Greeks, and losing it, particular stigma. If you came back without your helmet, greaves, or spear, that wasn't so dishonorable.

According to Plutarch, when asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king Demaratos (510-491 BC) is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all."

Hence the "With it, or on it" phrase used (in characteristic terse fashion) by the Spartans.

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:08:45pm

re: #29 JeremyR

LOL! Read Checkhov's "The Kiss" for a truly poignant view of strangers in the dark.

Palandine Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:09:52pm

re: #30 Steffan

Ooh, remind me to pop some corn at the end of the month.
/this is gonna be gooooood

looking closely Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:09:52pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

looking closely,

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

It was a butch sort of gay, though.

Not like this:

RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:10:39pm

re: #27 Russkilitlover

This one, you mean?

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”

~ Francois, Duc de La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)

[ Also attributed to Abraham Lincoln ; Lincoln was fond of quotes, & mentions reading many of them in his youth ]

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:12:38pm

re: #31 RedPepper

First of all, thanks for the grammar correction! After that, I'm not sure I GET your post?

Churchill said a lot and a lot has been attributed to Churchill, but we can't get bogged down by how many Reagan/Churchill aphorisms can dance on the head of a pin, to deal with today's crises. We need leadership and I don't see any, even though we are facing adversities we could not have dreamed of a decade ago.....

JeremyR Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:13:19pm

re: #34 Russkilitlover

LOL! Read Checkhov's "The Kiss" for a truly poignant view of strangers in the dark.

thanks

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:14:30pm

re: #37 RedPepper

This one, you mean?

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”

~ Francois, Duc de La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)

[ Also attributed to Abraham Lincoln ; Lincoln was fond of quotes, & mentions reading many of them in his youth ]

That's the one! It works on so many levels. I see global evidence, and I've seen microcosm evidence in the workplace. Sometimes the French can be perceptive.

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:17:16pm

re: #39 JeremyR

And if you want to cry, try Checkhov's "Grief." So amazingly touching that you will marvel at the literature, while at the same time reaching for a tissue.....

realwest Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:21:11pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout
Ah, here you are!

We were talking some about James Taylor and I don't know why - although I think it was cause someone mentioned Roy Orbison or he just flitted across my mind, but he wrote and performed a song called "Crying" and when there was a tribute to Roy by a wide variety of artists, K.D. Lang sang the BEST version of that song I've EVER heard - her range, intonation.........her emotion was just incredible.
And just for you, my friend, I present it to you for your enjoyment: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:21:16pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

Don't kid yourself, the Celts were gay too.

/heh

St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:22:22pm

#22 Robert

It was tremendous. I was so delighted at the results of the swimming competition this evening. Coughlin, Phelps, Piersal all kicked butt. The gymnastics team winning bronze, after so many injuries is a testament to the American spirit.

RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:24:43pm

re: #38 Russkilitlover

Courage is an important quality, and God knows we need leaders who have it, and can inspire it in others ; but "courage" and "leadership", although they are related, are independent concepts ... which is part of what I was trying to say.

Don't want to keep throwing quote after quote at you, but this one is a fave of mine, on the topic of leadership :

“Of the greatest leaders, when their work is done, the people say: we have done this all ourselves.” ~ Lao Tzu

Gearhead Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:25:07pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't kid yourself, the Celts were gay too.

/heh

Blue makeup. Just sayin'.

The Other Les Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:25:23pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

I read it in The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:26:21pm

re: #44 St. Pancake

Howdy, good to see you again. My fuzzies are doing well and I hope yours are too. I haven't moved out to the coast yet but I'm planning a trip to Africa next month. Keep in touch.

St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:15pm

Howdy!
How I miss that!
Woohoo

Where in Africa? I can maybe give hints, depending on where you are going.

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:23pm

re: #42 realwest

Roy rules!

Ms. Missive Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:24pm

Morning...er... evening lizards/lizardettes.

/waves

St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:29pm

Just adore those fuzzies!

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:01pm

re: #42 realwest

Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful.

THANKS!

St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:06pm

Spartans said that, by the way

"come back with your shield or on it."

The Other Les Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:45pm

re: #20 Russkilitlover

BHO thinks Russians are people who hurry too much! He's got his 300 advisors throwing a whole bunch of crap at his brain right now. It will be interesting to see what his grey matter can process and articulate.

Can he not see for himself? Can he not not discern truth from falsehood?

Oh... if he could discern truth from falsehood he wouldn't be a Democrat.

esch Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:46pm

re: #47 The Other Les

Yep. Although it's not an exact quote.

Killian Bundy Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:03pm

Babies for Edwards

/get 'em while they last, sperm quantities limited!

Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:28pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Howdy, good to see you again. My fuzzies are doing well and I hope yours are too. I haven't moved out to the coast yet but I'm planning a trip to Africa next month. Keep in touch.

Whoa... that link woke me up! I haope I don't have nightmares. What was that all about?

Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:41pm

re: #49 St. Pancake

Mauritius. It's east of Madagascar: large hindu population and I'm hoping to eat a lot of curried fish.

St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:52pm

Hey Killian! Long time!

Loca Mama has almost disappeared from YouTube!

Russkilitlover Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:12pm

re: #45 RedPepper

Oooooh! I like that one. I'll definitely remember it. Thank you!

BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:29pm

re: #47 The Other Les

Thanks, and that explains why I remember it wrong. :)

/Now that the memory has been jogged RAH said Romans, but everyone else has corrected me. Thanks a lot for the info.

St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:35pm

Neighbors of mine did the Peace Corps thing there.

More from the same band: El Bolsero.

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Yankee Division Son Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:25:54pm

"Should one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?"

Had I not known better, I might have thought that to be a Gen. George S. Patton quote...

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:26:21pm

Soldier's account of Japanese World War Two massacre to be auctioned

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LeePro Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:27:42pm

Hey, all you ~~old~~ ~~mature~~ seasoned Lizards come back to roost... you really should try out Charles's newish "reply" and "quote" buttons. They are truly magical! ! !

And now...

Bedtime!

¦O ^{_{ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n}}

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

And for redc1c4... {*smooch*}

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The Other Les Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:27:53pm

re: #186 St. Pancake

182 The Other Les Almost as offensive as the Pali stuff.

I just saw a video on LiveLeak (must register for it) and the first comment on it was from "IslamisLife":

Oh well the georgians, abkhazians, russians and ossetians can thank the nice democratic georgian president for this round of suffering.

Peace.

Scumbag.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:28:24pm

Winston Churchill omitted from Who’s Who of British history

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:29:32pm

Ok, how to use the new-fangled reply button?

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tokyobk Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:29:47pm

re: #191 St. Pancake

Soldier's account of Japanese World War Two massacre to be auctioned

The Imperial Japanese were brutal and deranged by worship of a religion that was also the political state.

They invited, and got, the total war they deserved.

I do not think the world has the resolve to fight that kind of war today, though their are equally lunatic (pun intended) forces begging for genuine shock and awe.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:30:12pm

193 The Other Les

"sigh"

I just loathe even seeing the mention of "Islamist" anything.

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:31:04pm

re: #197 St. Pancake

Hi. Good to read you again.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:31:44pm

196 tokyobk

True
Western peoples do not have the resolve. The emphasis upon human rights, "feelings", and multiculturalism have done us in.

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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:32:07pm

re: #192 LeePro

Night {LeePro}, I was busy lurking and talking to someone.

/finally got a clear answer I can understand, and footing I can stand on.

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Yankee Division Son Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:32:18pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

Are you kidding me? I'm gonna puke..

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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:32:48pm

re: #195 St. Pancake

Just point and click on the blue lettering. :)

/same works for quote link as well. great time savers.

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Wendya Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:33:07pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

Winston Churchill omitted from Who’s Who of British history

Good grief!

No Churchill, no Victoria but they mention the Red House?

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:33:13pm

The new Obama ad re mcCain has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It is a 'reaction' ad. These are usually made by a team of zealots in a hurry. This ad shows every sign of being immature, illadvised, and plain wrong. It is laughable. obama is panicking.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:33:58pm

Howdy pat!
Long time, no see!

Just finished reading "The Lost King of France" and "The Court of the Last Tsar"
Now reading a British history tome.

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LeePro Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:34:04pm

re: #195 St. Pancake

Ok, how to use the new-fangled reply button?

Click it! It brings you to the comment box with a link to the comment you're responding to.

I've just used the "quote" button to quote your comment without a link.

Really going to bed now...

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:34:56pm

re: #205 St. Pancake

Ok, I will see what happens

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:14pm

Well, pat got the response

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:33pm

Do I click on the "reply" button of the person to whom I am addressing?

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LeePro Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:37pm

re: #200 BlueCanuck

Night {LeePro}, I was busy lurking and talking to someone.

/finally got a clear answer I can understand, and footing I can stand on.

clear answer?
footing?

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:38pm

Doh!

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Wendya Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #204 pat

The new Obama ad re mcCain has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It is a 'reaction' ad. These are usually made by a team of zealots in a hurry. This ad shows every sign of being immature, illadvised, and plain wrong. It is laughable. obama is panicking.

It's lame and not nearly as effective as the McCain ad.

It's not going to help Obama.

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:18pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

wow. the left is in control. a lost cause.
[Link: deathby1000papercuts.com...]

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redc1c4 Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:22pm

re: #146 UncleSam

That makes absolutely no sense whatever and I call "Bullshit" on your assertion.

it appears you are mistaken:

"Overview" 4th para down.....

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:24pm

Dph again!
Teacher needs a teacher.
*smile*

I am getting tired

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RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:59pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

Winston Churchill omitted from Who’s Who of British history

A committee : the only known life form with fifty stomachs but no brain.

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LeePro Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:12pm

re: #209 St. Pancake

Do I click on the "reply" button of the person to whom I am addressing?

yes

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redc1c4 Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:19pm

re: #192 LeePro

Hey, all you ~~old~~ ~~mature~~ seasoned Lizards come back to roost... you really should try out Charles's newish "reply" and "quote" buttons. They are truly magical! ! !

And now...

Bedtime!

¦O ^{_{ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n}}

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

And for redc1c4... {*smooch*}

euwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

/heads straight to Decon

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The Other Les Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:24pm

re: #204 pat

The new Obama ad re mcCain has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It is a 'reaction' ad. These are usually made by a team of zealots in a hurry. This ad shows every sign of being immature, illadvised, and plain wrong. It is laughable. obama is panicking.

They're the superior beings. They feel that they are the smartest people on the planet. They know everything. They don't have to think things through to their proper conclusion.

And they are totally mystified when their schemes don't work.

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:51pm

Reading the history of farm/agricultural advances. 1600-1950. lol

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:55pm

re: #213 patYuck
Thanks for the linky

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:38:07pm

Hey, it worked

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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:38:39pm

re: #210 LeePro

The GF situation. I will send you and e-mail with all the gory details. ;)

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Slumbering Behemoth Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:39:13pm

re: #204 pat

Link, please.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:39:31pm

re: #216 RedPepper

Lol!
I needed to hear that. This is so depressing for someone of my generation.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:40:01pm

re: #217 LeePro

Thank you, dear

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:41:02pm

re: #220 pat
Now, that sounds intriguing

What is the title?

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:41:24pm

Don't know about the decline of Rome etc. (actually I do but this context is inappropriate)
The saying Come back with your shield, or on it, was the customary salutation of Spartan mothers, according to later historians, who could hardly know. but it sounded nifty.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:42:10pm

re: #228 patI said that earlier. Guess people did not notice.

History teachers do know something.....

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redc1c4 Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:42:56pm

re: #223 BlueCanuck

The GF situation. I will send you and e-mail with all the gory details. ;)

post'em here...... %-)

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:43:22pm

The Impact Of the Mechanization Of German Farms. lol

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:44:11pm

re: #219 The Other Les

Exactly

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:45:08pm

Spartan women did not want to be married to cowards....
Come back dead, victorious, or else!Dead bodies carried on the shields.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:45:37pm

re: #231 pat
What year was that published?

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:03pm

It is a treatise.

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RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:14pm

re: #225 St. Pancake

I am ~~interested in~~ obsessed with quotes. I collect 'em. For many people, I have two or three quotes. Someone really interesting, maybe by this point I have collected a dozen ... maybe fifteen.

Winston S. Churchill - I have 60+ quotes. Nor am I done ...

/just to illustrate how I feel about the man ...

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:41pm

And it was published a few months ago.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:49pm

re: #236 RedPepper
Yeah, he has always been a hero of mine, warts and all....

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LeePro Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:47:38pm

re: #226 St. Pancake

Thank you, dear

You're welcome!
You mentioned "someone of my generation" above ⤴...
would a 1940s brat be in your league?

'lass of '42

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:47:44pm

re: #237 patOh?

Interesting.
Any good information on turn-of-the-century German farming?
As in high tariffs to protect their crops?

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:49:03pm

re: #239 LeePro
Actually, not51 now. My dad was a Normandy Invasion dude who was able to see Churchill on Downing Street.

Many great stories....

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:49:15pm

I love Dan Quayle guotes. i find as much wisdom in them as WC Fields or Casey Stengel. Perhaps unintentional, but deeply true when taken in an abstract way.
That is my theory, and I'm sticking with it.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:50:07pm

re: #242 pat

Haha! So true

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The Other Les Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:50:37pm

re: #233 St. Pancake

Spartan women did not want to be married to cowards....
Come back dead, victorious, or else!Dead bodies carried on the shields.

Being brought dead meant that the widows could remarry.

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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:51:00pm

re: #230 redc1c4

post'em here...... %-)

Nah, you have enough ammunition against me as it is.

/white smoke.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:52:16pm

Squeaky the pig goes hog-wild for pizza, cow-herding
Includes a video

She's been known to break into the ranch house and raid the refrigerator to messily slurp up raw eggs and leftover pizza. She considers a wallow in mud to be the height of fashion and doesn't like to be washed off. Although she seems to think of herself as some sort of porcine breed of dog, complete with barklike "oinks,"she's never become the least bit housebroken.

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Karridine Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:03pm

re: #243 St. Pancake

Hokey Smokes!

LONG TIME NO SEE, St P! :D

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RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:27pm

re: #238 St. Pancake

Lady Nancy Astor : “Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your tea !”
Winston Churchill : “Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it !”

Variant :

Lady Nancy Astor : “If I were your wife, Winston, I’d poison your tea.”
Winston Churchill : “And if you were my wife, I’d drink it !”

( Anecdotal. )

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Churchill biographer Sir Martin Gilbert said this exchange was more likely to have occurred between Lady Astor and Churchill’s good friend F. E. Smith, Lord Birkenhead, a notorious acerbic wit. But both Consuelo Vanderbilt (The Glitter and the Gold) and Christopher Sykes (Nancy: The Life of Lady Astor) say the riposte was by Churchill. The argument was rendered moot when Fred Shapiro, in The Yale Book of Quotations, tracked the origins of the phrase to a joke line from a 1900 edition of The Chicago Tribune.

{ This note taken from The Churchill Centre ( [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...] ) ;
link [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...] }

------------------

Pancake, if you like Churchill, you may find the above link of interest. A good place to verify one of his quotes, f'rinstance ...

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:34pm

"waving"

Howdy, dear!

Woohoo
Old-timers night

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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:39pm

re: #239 LeePro

Mail away.

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:44pm

re: #240 St. Pancake

Oh?

Interesting.
Any good information on turn-of-the-century German farming?
As in high tariffs to protect their crops?

OK. the German villages were set up like granges. The entire village rented the land. A small holding might be 640 acres ( a square mile), a large one 4 times that. There were three parts, fields, pasture, forest and pond. The fields rotated. the forest and ponds were carefully preserved to protect firewood, fish, and game. As well as nature itself. Animals were shared for tillage, but not food. Grain was shared and allocated for rent. But adequate food came first. like granges, officials were elected.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:54:56pm

re: #248 RedPepper

Actually, not only do I have that sight bookmarked, I have used it extensively as I teach European history. I also bought a CD of his speeches.

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Karridine Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:55:04pm

Stong-supporters, Old-Timers and Barricade-Fighters' Night :D

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:55:32pm

Whew.
Did i mention my wife is a Churchill scholar?

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Karridine Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:55:45pm

" that SITE bookmarked..."

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pat Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:56:00pm

re: #253 Karridine

lol

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:57:11pm

re: #251 pat

TY. I copied/pasted the info. Interesting in that this was one of the issues which infuriated the Brits, High tariffs, I assume, because of the beer industry.....

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Karridine Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:57:37pm

Hey, Pat!

I've lasted at few other efforts as long as I've lasted here @ LGF...

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BlueCanuck Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:57:48pm

re: #253 Karridine

Stong supporters? Must have missed that in the manual.

/*flip--flip----flip*

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RedPepper Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:58:14pm

re: #252 St. Pancake

Excellent.

I was (still am) considering making a contribution to the Centre ; have not done so yet, however.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:58:17pm

re: #254 pat

Wow! MagnificentWould love to talk to her. We could chat for hours....
Drinking habits, his cigars, his ugliness :)
Jennie, his mom, also fascinates me.

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St. Pancake Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:59:43pm

re: #260 RedPepper

I always have my Euro kids listen to excerpts of his "We will fight on the beaches" "Their Finest Hour", and the "Iron Curtain" speeches.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:00:14am

re: #251 pat

Pat, my mother's father (western Washington) was active in Grange... I grew up going to those meetings... when Mom & Dad were gone and Grampa and Grandma could DRAG me....

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:01:12am

re: #259 BlueCanuck

You don't count, Canuck...

/except up to 3.... :D

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pat Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:01:38am

Must be off. St P, do not be a stranger. I miss our literature talks. Have you brought up that old great book I gave you, tannahill's on the history of foods to your AP class? Lots of fascinating stuff in that.

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:02:40am

re: #262 St. Pancake

His speeches are impressive, and inspiring ; I am also in love with his mordant wit.

Something our American politicians could use ...

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:02:43am

re: #265 patYes, I did...for my world history kids. Nifty stuff!

Did I hear right?
Miguel had a stroke?

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LeePro Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:29am

G'nite again, Lizards!

^{f'reeel this time!}

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:33am

re: #266 RedPepper

Also loved his strength with other foreign leaders, including FDR and more importantly, Stalin.

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:50am

re: #268 LeePro

Night, Lee
take care

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pat Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:53am

Funny, when in High School I always imagined The Grange to be like a Union (I grew up on a plantation). it was only until i read this treatise that i understood it was a method to purchase expensive equipment and allocate usage so all members could profit.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:02am

re: #267 St. Pancake

Mild... more like a transient ischemic accident (TIA)... but he is recovering well, St P

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:13am

Am getting sleepy too. I do want to know about Miguel

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pat Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:27am

re: #267 St. Pancake

Yes, I did...for my world history kids. Nifty stuff!

Did I hear right?
Miguel had a stroke?

you did indeed, but he is better he says.

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:53am

re: #272 Karridine

Thank you. If you talk to him before I do, please give him my best. LOLady too!

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:05:35am

I am relieved. That had me in a tizzy worrying about him. Miss talking to him.

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rawmuse Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:05:59am

I always thought this was the Grange.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:01am

re: #275 St. Pancake

Will do! They'll appreciate word from you, in this busy world!

All best regards to you, St Pancake!

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:05am

Kerridine
How are the kiddos?

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:44am

re: #269 St. Pancake

I'm betting that you saw the film they made a few years back, with (?) Ms. Redgrave, and the English actor whose name I am struggling to recall ...

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pat Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:56am

I have a history of the Chile Pepper in the library. By Anderson. Now that vegetable moved fast! Beat white men into central Africa.

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:07:51am

re: #264 Karridine

You don't count, Canuck...

/except up to 3.... :D

That's not fair. I made it up to five last week without using my fingers. The teacher says I may even get lined paper soon too. ;)

/heh heh heh

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:09:20am

re: #279 St. Pancake

Thai public schooling breaks at 6th grade, so my oldest is at the bottom rung of High-School (7th grade) and my youngest is top of his world.

Youngest was selected for the first-ever Min of Ed sponsored 18-day trip to Singapore; 30 students...

Both are class-leaders and yet courteous...

/Thanks for askin'

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:10:29am

re: #281 pat

Hot climates love hot foods. Such things will move faster than anything else. Just like good ideas.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:11:38am

re: #284 BlueCanuck

Speaking of which, I gotta pause for lunch at 2PM Thai time, on this Mothers' Day in Thailand

bbiaw

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:12:57am

re: #281 pat

Ok, that's cool

Love the study of the Colombian Exchange

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:13:04am

re: #280 RedPepper

Vanessa Redgrave. And Albert Finney.

The Gathering Storm, 2002.

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:13:30am

re: #280 RedPepper

You got me there. I have no clue as to what this video is about?

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:14:25am

re: #283 Karridine

I am not surprised. Look at the parents! That is my retort, and I am sticking to it. The family matters even more than the teachers etc.

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pat Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:14:45am

re: #284 BlueCanuck

And Chiles are among the most fecund plants. Botanist have come to believe that some people actually discovered the chile growing wild from bird droppings (birds can eat chiles and love to, highly nutritious, but birds cannot digest seeds) from early imported cultivars.

(way too much info, yeah. i know. nite)

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:14:56am

re: #287 RedPepper
I will have to check into it.

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:15:35am

re: #290 patI've heard that part. Droppings is a form of seed dispersal

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:15:43am

Droppings are

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St. Pancake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:16:03am

Good night, all

Tired, so the typing is sucking something fierce.

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:18:25am

re: #291 St. Pancake

I thought it was pretty interesting. Unfortunately, I am not knowledgeable enough about Churchill's life to be able to comment on whether it was accurate in its portrayal.

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:19:39am

Good night, St. Pancake. Nice talking with you.

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:19:50am

re: #290 pat

re: #292 St. Pancake

Good factoids. I did know about seed dispersal by that method. In fact some seeds need to be primed by digestive tracks to germinate properly. Another fact, forest fires are a form of regeneration and are required by some pines in North America. The pinecones will only open after being heated by a strong fire. And they will open after any fire has passed. Thus the seeds are released into a fresh area clear of overgrowth and made fertile by the ashes of the previous denziens.

/once went to a tree nursery in Central Ontario as a field trip.

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:25:20am

re: #297 BlueCanuck

This thread is getting deader and deader every moment. I'm about ready to make my exit too.

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:27:30am

re: #298 RedPepper

Oh man, with Karridine off to lunch, that means redc1c4 is lurking about here with me.

/grabs flashlight and checks batteries.

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RedPepper Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:28:29am

This thread is dead.

Vive le thread !

Ciao 4 now ...

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:30:52am

re: #300 RedPepper

Have a good night then.

/paddles, quick we are losing the pulse of the thread.
//off to link dive and muddy some waters.

*lurk mode engaged*

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mineral Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:32:29am

Should one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?

— Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Proven by the fact that we don't even have the courage to publish translations of some of Solzhenitsyn's works in the US.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:35:03am

re: #289 St. Pancake

I am not surprised. Look at the parents! That is my retort, and I am sticking to it. The family matters even more than the teachers etc.

Thais (and expats) ask us HOW we get such good results? How do we get such studious, good-natured, helpful sons?

But they RARELY want to hear our answer: Hard work, CARING about their homework, their school life, their skinned knees and skinned hearts... as well as learning about EFFECTIVE Learning Strategies, and then applying them with discipline, love and oodles of Encouragement and Praise while modeling the values we want them to have...

/hey, wait! Why are you leaving... now...
And the parents blink, glassy-eyed, grinning...

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:36:12am

re: #302 mineral

What's awaiting publication, Mineral?

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:52:06am

First to post about the Israeli "Skunk" machine was [Link: www.patriotmissive.com....]

No, I'm not bitter. Not at all.

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mineral Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:17am

re: #304 Karridine

He recently wrote two books about the relationship between the Russians and the Jews that will apparently not be translated or published in the US.

A shame, as I wouldn't mind reading about my own ancestors.

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redc1c4 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:12am

re: #299 BlueCanuck

Oh man, with Karridine off to lunch, that means redc1c4 is lurking about here with me.

/grabs flashlight and checks batteries.

i'll just open the fridge door.......

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redc1c4 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:23:23am

well, Blue's away, and the fruitcup has been fixed, so i'm off for sleepier climes.

/white smoke %-)

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:25:28am

re: #308 redc1c4

Was busy, Mr AvH is busy throwing his slime around again on a lower thread. Probably has his spy open and will respond long after I am gone. Like he usually does for other threads.

Otherwise have a good night red.

/time to go to work again.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:45am

AM I DREAMING?!?

I swear...just yesterday I was looking through some old emails and realized..oh wow! I haven't talked to St. Pancake, like forever.

St. Pancake?! HI! :-)

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:57am

Good morning littleoldlady. You missed her(I think her), she went to bed a couple of hours ago.

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A. van Hilten Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:06am

re: #309 BlueCanuck

Was busy, Mr AvH is busy throwing his slime around again on a lower thread. Probably has his spy open and will respond long after I am gone. Like he usually does for other threads.

Otherwise have a good night red.

/time to go to work again.

Hey, twirp, if you really want to diss me, I suggest you do it upfront, not in another thread. And, no, I actually don't have a spy installed, because I don't need to control what's happening on the rest of the blog.

BTW, I've answered your comment on the other thread.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:17am

BlueCanuck! :-)

/*sniff*! :-(

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:19am

re: #311 BlueCanuck

Roger that. Somnambulent, Little Olde...

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:44:22am

re: #312 A. van Hilten

Oh good you finally came up front. The reason why I commented on that thread was that was where your last activity was. And I too have responded to you.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:45:23am

re: #314 Karridine

Karridine! :-)

What was her excuse for not showing up for two years?

;-)

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:48:20am

Speaking of "not showing up"...has Miguel been around at all? I haven't received an email from him in ages. :-(

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:50:46am

Haven't seen Miguel in a week or so. Might be getting some proper rest to help with the healing and recovery process.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:55:46am

re: #316 littleoldlady

She offered no excuse, as those of us present who RECOGNIZED HER as an old-timer were too busy smiling and hugging her to ask why she had been existentium in absentia...

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:56:46am

re: #17 looking closely

Συν ται η επι ται! or Ή ταν ή επί τας!, "With it or on it!", implying that he should return (victoriously) with his shield, or (his cremated body in an urn) upon it, but by no means after saving himself by throwing away his heavy shield and fleeing.[14]

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:59:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:01:52am

I really need to get this machine looked at :-(

Karridine,

I was kidding, of course. Gonna send her an email later, now that I've unearthed her address...

I email Miguel a little note daily (in case anyone wants to say hi) but haven't heard back from him in almost two weeks. :-(

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redc1c4 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:02:30am

re: #321 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

tastes funny, as usual...... %-)

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:04:39am

re: #323 redc1c4

I thought you went to bed. And the reason it tastes funny is possibly because it's filled with nutrients and good stuff.

/white smoke.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:06:18am

re: #323 redc1c4

Does it?

/should I have left out the chocolate drizzle?

red! ;-)

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:07:33am

re: #322 littleoldlady

I always figure YOUR comments for light, easy-going and courteous... just as a matter of course, Ma'am.

Just as I am, when I YELL AT PEOPLE for BEING A MINUTE EARLY with the fletching FRUITCUP! Yearrrgh!

/Courteous Klyde Kadiddle-dine, that's me...

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:10:37am

re: #326 Karridine

Who are you and what have you done with our Karridine?

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:11:37am

*Calling Doctor Jekyll! Dr Jekyll to the White courtesy phone!*

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:12:31am

re: #328 Karridine

*Calling Doctor Jekyll! Dr Jekyll to the White courtesy phone!*

/Mr Hyde will do, in a pintzch

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:13:10am

re: #326 Karridine

Yeeeouch!

/sudden, stabbing pain in my jugular....

;-)

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:13:27am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

the comm. to start the spontaneous Montreal riots will meet at .....

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:13am

re: #330 littleoldlady

ROFL! :D

/gotta give elder son-boy some CPU time.

L8r

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:38am

Olympic kayaking! woo!

/pulls up chair to watch

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:07am

re: #331 yochanan

Montreal riots? What have I missed tonight?

/busy focusing on other things.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:33am

followed by the meeting of the KGB to start the spontaneous riots and war in Georgia

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:17:55am

Good afternoon, y'all...

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:18:26am

re: #336 laZardo

Good afternoon, y'all...

Where are you located? afternoon?

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:07am

re: #325 littleoldlady

Does it?

/should I have left out the chocolate drizzle?

red! ;-)

One thing I can guarantee, my secret contribution to any fruitcup this morning was certainly not chocolate nor was it any piddly-ask drizzle. ;-)

Mornin Lol, Karridine, red, Blue, all.

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:33am

Hey Lazardo, catching the Olympics in near real time?

/lucky lizard.
//wait, why do I care? Don't watch t.v. :D

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:44am

in Israel it would be afternoon as well as in Ga.

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:20:08am

Morning aboo. Welcome to the resurectted thread.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:20:38am

re: #340 yochanan

in Israel it would be afternoon as well as in Ga.

Israel here also. Blessed to see Olympics live. :)

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:31am

re: #337 Ms. Missive

Manila, Philippines. :P Just across the sea from Karridine.

re: #339 BlueCanuck

Nah, not interested in watching the local team get shamed again. =_=

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:43am

Apparently, the Georgia-Russian war is over?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:57am

yochanan! :-)

laZardo! :-)

Ms. Missive! :-)

Howdy! Are you in Israel?

aboo! :-)

That underpass is looking awfully good at the moment.

/I tried hiding under the blanket.
//didn't work :-(

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:22:32am

re: #345 littleoldlady

{lol} Is the fruitcup safe?

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:01am

BTW, the real reason the Iranian ditched that race was because he was slated to swim in Lane 1 (second to worst time) against an Israeli (Lane 7) who came in 4th. He would have been shown up - BIG TIME.

/we can't have that now, can we?

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:26:49am

re: #346 laZardo

laZardo,

Blue has been trying to hold red back from his usual mischief, but aboo did zumzing to it.

/probably for the better
//hopefully

I need a disclaimer! ;-)

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:14am

re: #347 littleoldlady

BTW, the real reason the Iranian ditched that race was because he was slated to swim in Lane 1 (second to worst time) against an Israeli (Lane 7) who came in 4th. He would have been shown up - BIG TIME.

/we can't have that now, can we?

I can certainly accept that reasoning.

I can also accept that the Iranian is simply an antisemitic douche. Or even that he's a puppet for his government who are antisemitic douches.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:58am

re: #349 Ms. Missive

what she said

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:01am

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.

Asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king, Demaratos (510 - 491) is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all." (Plutarch, Mor.220)

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:41am

re: #344 Ms. Missive

Interesting story in the side link: the "Egyptian marriage crisis."

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Makes me wonder why hardcore fundie movements over there get so popular. Maybe it's because the Western money flowing over there also brings ideas that threaten their culture?

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:31:18am

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.

Herodotus reports that just before the Battle of Thermoplyae, a Spartan warrior named Dienekes was told that the Persian archers could blank out the sun with their arrows. He replied "Good, then we shall have our battle in the shade."

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:16am

re: #352 laZardo

Interesting story in the side link: the "Egyptian marriage crisis."

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Makes me wonder why hardcore fundie movements over there get so popular. Maybe it's because the Western money flowing over there also brings ideas that threaten their culture?

I read the article also and agree that it's interesting. I think Egypt may be the only "hope" for Arab countries in the region in regards to changing oppressive cultural ideas about women and marriage.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:30am

re: #353 dustyvet

While we're on the topic of great Spartan quotations...

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:35am

Inward-looking and self-sufficient, the Spartans were the most feared hoplites (infantrymen) in all Greece. They lived an austere life, despising any sort of luxury, in a city that contained neither walls, nor grand buildings.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:44am

Oh, and while we're speaking of antisemitic bigots and otherwise bigots...the trashtalking French didn't just get beat by the Americans in the 400 free relay. They got beat in the race I've named, "Two Jews, a black guy and Michael Phelps".

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:34:50am

re: #357 littleoldlady

Oh, and while we're speaking of antisemitic bigots and otherwise bigots...the trashtalking French didn't just get beat by the Americans in the 400 free relay. They got beat in the race I've named, "Two Jews, a black guy and Michael Phelps".

LMAO! Nice.

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:25am

re: #344 Ms. Missive

Call it stalled-out, vodka supply lines over-extended.

Judging from the article I guess the Russian pilots harbor no love-loss for al-Reuters but still can't aim:

A reporter for the Reuters news agency said several bombs exploded in front of his vehicle....

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:43am

re: #357 littleoldlady

Yeah, I remember you saying that last night.

/reason why sharmuta and I worked the fruitcup detail

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:38:12am

re: #354 Ms. Missive

I've heard from threads that it's getting pretty turbulent there, and there's still the MB to be worried about.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:38:33am

(puff!) (puff!) littleoldlady! Any fruitcup left? (puff!) (puff!)

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:39:13am

Has anyone checked the duty rosster to see who's on fruit cup KP today?

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:41:17am

re: #362 Temujin

(puff!) (puff!) littleoldlady! Any fruitcup left? (puff!) (puff!)

Puff the magic Fruit Cup lived in...:)

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:41:27am

re: #363 dustyvet

Just put it in the sink and have red deal with it when he shows up next. *evil grin*

/serves him right for trying, and sometimes succeeding, doctoring the fruitcup.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:43:37am

re: #364 dustyvet

Man !

I have got to do something about this coal-fired computer !

Took me forever getting here !

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:43:56am

re: #360 BlueCanuck

The last few seconds of the race elevated my blood pressure to new heights.

/sleep?! out of the question! ;-)

Swimming is pretty much the only thing I ever pay attention to in the Olympics. MNT was a competitive swimmer in her yout, so I actually know a little about the sport.

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:44:58am

re: #366 Temujin

Man !

I have got to do something about this coal-fired computer !

Took me forever getting here !

My computer was built from a war surplus German U-Boat, it crash dives with no warning...:)

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:00am

re: #367 littleoldlady

yout ?

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:22am

Temujin! :-)

Yes, there is.

/I don't know if it's safe, though...

dustyvet! :-)

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:57am

re: #367 littleoldlady

heh, well everyone has their passion. Can't blame you about that. I know what it's like with an adrenaline rush early in the morning. Worse than an extra large cup of coffee.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:46:02am

yout.

/although she's never burned a car
//...that I know of
;-)

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:47:40am

Is there any fruitcup left for me? I'd like to say I was out stargazing, but I just happened to be hauling out the trash when I looked up and saw one or two shooting stars....

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:47:57am

Olmert offers Palestinians 93 percent of West Bank

The idiot...he should have offered them 100% of Syria - I mean really, what's the cost of a few new signs pointing in a different direction?

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:49:16am

re: #368 dustyvet

♫ ♪ It's a long way / To Tipperary ... ♪ ♫

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:35am

re: #370 littleoldlady

Thanks, lol !

I brought my own raisins for it ... to celebrate, y'know ...

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BlueCanuck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:51:24am

re: #373 Fenway_Nation

Saw a real good one last night. Was out for a smoke and looked to the north east where i could actually see some sky throught the skyscrapers and saw what looked almost like a roman candle streak down acrosse the sky. Thank goodness for ingrained habits.

/I always look up.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:51:38am

Fenway! :-)

Lucky!

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:53:34am

re: #375 Temujin

♫ ♪ It's a long way / To Tipperary ... ♪ ♫

OMG! It just tried to topedo the cat...:)

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:03am

re: #379 dustyvet

OMG! It just tried to topedo the cat...:)

Torpedos work so much better...:)

>^..^

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:25am

re: #374 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Fucking worthess sack of.....merde

I suppose I should be upset, but the Paleos have this inherent ability to turn a sitation where they're offered 75% or more of what they want to their disadvantage....

/As a [not particularly devout] Catholic, I'm far more trusting of the Israelis as a custodian of one of our holiest sites than I am the Paleos (who took hostages in the Church of the nativity)...

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:51am

re: #379 dustyvet

Cat must've been walking on the keyboard when you weren't looking ... mine does that ... payback's a *&$^%, ain't it?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:57:02am

re: #374 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Olmert offers Palestinians 93 percent of West Bank

The idiot...he should have offered them 100% of Syria - I mean really, what's the cost of a few new signs pointing in a different direction?

Why the hell doesn't Olmert just order up a bunch of lifeboats and offer them the whole bloody thing, since this is obviously his intent? Or maybe he figures that he'll escape the blood bath?

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:24am

re: #382 Temujin

Cat must've been walking on the keyboard when you weren't looking ... mine does that ... payback's a *&$^%, ain't it?

Sure are

Signed

The Cat...

[Link: cats2100.tripod.com...]

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:28am

re: #383 galloping granny

Why the hell doesn't Olmert just order up a bunch of lifeboats and offer them the whole bloody thing, since this is obviously his intent? Or maybe he figures that he'll escape the blood bath?

In another month, Olmert will step down... and whatever was lost in his final wake will be reoccupied again.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:41am

re: #383 galloping granny

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

-- Winston Churchill, in Readers Digest (December 1954)

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:44am

re: #381 Fenway_Nation

JESUS WAS A PALAETSITNINAN!1111oneoneone

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:59:09am

re: #387 laZardo

Obvious sarc, of course...

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:40am

re: #387 laZardo

JESUS WAS A PALAETSITNINAN!1111oneoneone

Good for Jesus.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:41am

re: #385 Ms. Missive

From your lips to G-d's ears...

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:53am

Russia to Georgia: "Had enough?"

Russia to Armenia, Ukraine, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc: "Nice little country you have there....be a shame if something happened to it."

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:58am

re: #386 Temujin

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

-- Winston Churchill, in Readers Digest (December 1954)

Where the heck are you finding Readers Digest from 1954? Time to clean the garage eh?...:)

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David IV of Georgia Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:01:33am

This morning's news is reporting that Russia has decided to halt hostilities since "Georgia has been punished enough" for trying to take back its own territory. I interpret this to mean that:

The Russians now think the Georgians are cowed and won't be independent-minded and will follow Moscow's directives.

And/Or the Georgians finally figured out how to close the tunnels and mountain passes the Russians were using.

And/Or the Russian war machine is running out of stamina and the Russians wish to retreat with honor before all their equipment breaks down.

And/Or the threats from the West/UN (I know) and such actually had some barb that the Russians thought would hurt.

So for now it appears that the hostilities have ceased or are ceasing. I, for my part, would not be against US foreign aid to help rebuild what was damaged in Georgia. We could divert aid from some of those less-than-gracious recipients.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:02:36am

So why aren't you guys celebrating?

Shouldn't you be passing out candy, or ululating, or something ? ! ?

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:03:23am

re: #394 Temujin

So why aren't you guys celebrating?

Shouldn't you be passing out candy, or ululating, or something ? ! ?

We're too drunk right now.

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dustyvet Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:29am

re: #395 Ms. Missive

We're too drunk right now.

OK, who spiked the fruit cup?

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:59am

re: #393 David IV of Georgia

I'd prefer any one of the latter three....but if Russian 'peacekeepers' remain in the reigon, it would be hard to portray this as anything but a victory for the Kremiln.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:05:51am

re: #392 dustyvet

Garbage ! My library is priceless! And the contents are in perfect condition!

Heck, I haven't even finished coloring some of 'em ...

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:19am

galloping granny! :-)

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:52am

re: #395 Ms. Missive

We're too drunk right now.

Well hey! now we're talking! That's a way to celebrate!

Care for some raisins?

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David IV of Georgia Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:55am

re: #397 Fenway_Nation

I'd prefer any one of the latter three....but if Russian 'peacekeepers' remain in the reigon, it would be hard to portray this as anything but a victory for the Kremiln.

Russian "peacekeepers" would be the direct equivalent of Hungary 1956. It would be a hostile occupation.

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David IV of Georgia Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:09:05am

It's after 5 AM, gotta go to work. Nice fruitcup.

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:09:17am

re: #401 David IV of Georgia

Maybe the Georgians could kick their ass in water polo during the Olympics then.....

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:10:11am

re: #381 Fenway_Nation

re: #383 galloping granny

No joke, every single time I read a story-line which contains the names of Olmert or Rice I literally cringe. If a line or story carries both the names Rice and Burns, I damn near begin to convulse in panic.

Don't ask about what would happen if a story contained all three, times to short already.

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:10:15am

David IV of Georgia! :-)

Did you say Georgia?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:13:01am

re: #404 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

re: #383 galloping granny

No joke, every single time I read a story-line which contains the names of Olmert or Rice I literally cringe. If a line or story carries both the names Rice and Burns, I damn near begin to convulse in panic.

Don't ask about what would happen if a story contained all three, times to short already.

I hear you there. I will be very glad to see the back of Condi Rice. She has done a tremendous amount of damage in a few short years.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:14:43am

re: #406 galloping granny

granny : be careful what you wish for ...

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:16:32am

re: #393 David IV of Georgia

This morning's news is reporting that Russia has decided to halt hostilities since "Georgia has been punished enough" for trying to take back its own territory. I interpret this to mean that:

The Russians now think the Georgians are cowed and won't be independent-minded and will follow Moscow's directives.

And/Or the Georgians finally figured out how to close the tunnels and mountain passes the Russians were using.

And/Or the Russian war machine is running out of stamina and the Russians wish to retreat with honor before all their equipment breaks down.

And/Or the threats from the West/UN (I know) and such actually had some barb that the Russians thought would hurt.

So for now it appears that the hostilities have ceased or are ceasing. I, for my part, would not be against US foreign aid to help rebuild what was damaged in Georgia. We could divert aid from some of those less-than-gracious recipients.

Yes. We could pay for that foreign aid out of Russia's assets that are held in the West. Or with an additional tax on exports to Russia.

BTW, in all of this did anyone notice the details of the new "5 year plan" style import regs in Russia?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:17:45am

re: #407 Temujin

granny : be careful what you wish for ...

I always am. Condi Rice is the single worst Secretary of State I have seen in my lifetime.

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David IV of Georgia Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:17:47am

re: #405 littleoldlady

David IV of Georgia! :-)

Did you say Georgia?

St. David the Fourth, King of Georgia, conqueror of Sultans, caliphs and jihads.

Unfortunately you have to die before they give you the title "saint".

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:21:42am

re: #409 galloping granny

That's as may be.

But you're not dead yet ...

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mineral Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:23:56am

re: #410 David IV of Georgia

Do have family in Georgia?

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David IV of Georgia Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:26:07am

re: #412 mineral

Do have family in Georgia?

No, I am a Texan with the usual English, Irish, Scottish, German, French, and a few others (Danish) ancestry. I liked his story and I am Orthodox Christian. I have to go now.

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:26:29am

On a totally unrealted note, I'm guessing the mouth-breathing KosTards and Air-America listeners are proably going to give Putin and Medvedev every benefit of the doubt while blaming the situation in Ossetia on Bush/Haliburton/Cheney/ExxonMobil/McCain etc....

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mineral Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:28:38am

re: #413 David IV of Georgia

Okay. The Georgians seem to have a little of that Texas spirit, so far as I can tell...

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:31:17am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

Well, of course! In the first place, I distinctly recall reading a news piece that mentioned something about Georgia and some related energy resource. Just another conspiracy ...

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:31:34am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

Pravda called that first.

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:34:18am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

On a totally unrealted note, I'm guessing the mouth-breathing KosTards and Air-America listeners are proably going to give Putin and Medvedev every benefit of the doubt while blaming the situation in Ossetia on Bush/Haliburton/Cheney/ExxonMobil/McCain etc....

This was the very first thing that I heard about this war. Posted on a site having to do with tomatoes.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:34:47am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

What we should be asking is, "Why did they think it was important to off Solzhenitsyn before they made their move? Thats gotta be key ...

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:35:52am

No resources to speak of, but it's a pivotal tranist point for pipelines from the Caucases....

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:37:11am

re: #420 Fenway_Nation

None they're letting us know about, anyway ...

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:38:01am

What the hell is the friggin use? - Iran, EU agree to hold fresh nuclear talks

We do all realize we've allowed the EU and Mullah's to trample over so many red-lines, the next step backwards is, 'GOING DOWN! NEXT STOP, HELL. No Water, No Bathrooms!

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littleoldlady Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:38:43am

re: #419 Temujin

What we should be asking is, "Why did they think it was important to off Solzhenitsyn before they made their move? Thats gotta be key ...

WOW. You're good!

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:40:10am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

They're blaming the Joooooooz for it too!

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:40:11am

re: #418 galloping granny

Tomatoes? Weren't we discussing how seeds spread earlier?

I think I can one-up that. There was a YouTube video of news reports from the American visitor stabbed to death by a Chinese man in Beijing. The comments ranged from "Thanks, neocons" to conspiracy theories that this would give the Bush White House the pretext to invade.....China.

/am stupider for having read some of those.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:40:56am

re: #422 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Now, now, Hoo-Hoo! These issues need to be explored thoroughly before we do anything rash ...

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:43:18am

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

Tomatoes? Weren't we discussing how seeds spread earlier?

I think I can one-up that. There was a YouTube video of news reports from the American visitor stabbed to death by a Chinese man in Beijing. The comments ranged from "Thanks, neocons" to conspiracy theories that this would give the Bush White House the pretext to invade.....China.

/am stupider for having read some of those.

Some people are just so entirely stupid their two functional brain cells only connect in their crotch. They could not draw a breath if breathing wasn't on auto pilot.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:47:33am

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

/am stupider for having read some of those.

Nothing new about this phenomenon.

“He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others.” -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

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sparrowlake Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:49:28am

Good morning Lizards.
Nice day for a cold war.

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:50:39am

So, I read over at HotAir that the leftards are accusing John McCain of plagiarizing Wiki in the statement re Georgia he issued yesterday. I guess they have not noticed the distinct "similarities" between Obama's infamous speech on race and various other extremely well known speeches from American history, including the Gettysburg Address.

/idiots.

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:55:50am

re: #430 galloping granny

Hadn't you heard? The O-man was Lincoln in a previous incarnation ...

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:57:39am

Y'know....I went to Yankee Stadium on the 4th of July this year. During the 7th inning, there was a lengthy rain delay. It started out OK, with Sinatra songs playing over the stadium PA system for the first few minutes.

Then it went downhill from there. It was non-stop Yankeeography on the jumbotron and PA system, which in and of itself wouldn't be so bad, but it was narrarated by pretentious douchebag and occasional Yankee broadcaster John Stirling.

Keep in mind this is an hour and 20 minute rain delay wer're talking about. The whole time I was thinking 'Am I being punished? Did I die and wind up in hell without knowing it?'. You see, were it not for the Red Sox coming back to take the lead, I would've been convinced I was in hell....or at least the low-rent district of purgatory.

But now I've caught a glimpse of hell on earth. Just the mere thought of it is enough to drive any lizard insane. With that in mind, click on the link at your own peril.

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Tigger2005 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:59:53am

I'm not completely sure this is a matter of lack of courage. I think it's more a case of needing to re-learn how to deal with the aggressive Russian bear. The Russians got away with a hell of a lot before we developed a counter-strategy of aggressive confrontation. Could that strategy have led to nuclear war? Possibly, but letting the Russians rampage unchecked would CERTAINLY have led to nuclear war eventually.

Reagan observed that when you confronted the Russians firmly, they eventually backed down (yes, that just means they're waiting for another day or another decade). It actually seems like it would take LESS courage to follow Reagan's strategy, since we know it works, whereas it takes insane, foolhardy courage to follow the strategy of waffling and appeasement, as history has shown over and over, leads almost inevitably to disaster.

We are letting the Russians and their nukes scare us too much. We took far, far more provocative actions against a nuclear-armed Soviet Union and we're still here. Stand unequivocably for Georgia and pour in the weapons they need, and Russia would most likely back off.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:00:10am

re: #432 Fenway_Nation

...Ron Reagan?

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:07:37am

re: #434 laZardo

I'm looking at the itinerary....it goes from Tampa to Cancun and then onto Belieze. Good lord....a ship full of 'progressives' who swore up and down they were leaving the country if Bush got re-elected? With the cosialist island ~~prison~~ paradise known as Cuba only a few nautical miles away!?

Am I the only one who sees the opportunity here?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:09:18am

re: #432 Fenway_Nation

Y'know....I went to Yankee Stadium on the 4th of July this year.

Are you a traitor? Psychotic? A victim of post partum depression?
/You didn't wear your hat did you? That would have been suicide!

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:11:48am

re: #432 Fenway_Nation

How very green of them! They are charging carbon offsets for the cruise and collecting $33 per tree to reforest an area "devastated" by mud slides somewhere along the cruise path.

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:13:30am

re: #436 galloping granny

I wore my Red Sox hat and jersey in the cheap seats in the House That ~~Ruth Built~~ Epstein Demolished and was taunting the MFY fans to no end....to the point of starting a sarcastic "Lets go Knickerbockers!" cheer during the rain delay when some MFY fans tried goading me by bringing up Superbowl 41....

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:15:11am

re: #437 galloping granny

Green and Peachy!

/Aren't the new $10 and $20 bills more of a peach color?

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:17:53am

re: #437 galloping granny

How very clever of them. How often does this place get hit by devastating mudslides, we wonders? Yearly, at a minimum?

"And then, we'll just plant some more trees!"

/Ka-ching !

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:20:18am

I can see Charles using the threat of an Air America cruise to keep unruly lizards in line.

/"You behave yourselves or we'll toss your scaly behind on a boat with Al Franken, Randi Rhodes and a thousand unshaven moonbats and put you out to sea!"

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:22:10am

re: #438 Fenway_Nation

I wore my Red Sox hat and jersey in the cheap seats in the House That ~~Ruth Built~~ Epstein Demolished and was taunting the MFY fans to no end....to the point of starting a sarcastic "Lets go Knickerbockers!" cheer during the rain delay when some MFY fans tried goading me by bringing up Superbowl 41....

I am surprised that you managed to survive to tell the tale! Surely you would not have done in a NY hat in Boston. (I nearly got killed one year when I won a $500 bet that the Sox would not win the series - yet one more time.)

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Temujin Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:23:20am

re: #441 Fenway_Nation

I'm pretty sure that would be a pretty significant violation of the Geneva Conventions ...

/bbl -

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:23:37am

re: #439 Fenway_Nation

Green and Peachy!

/Aren't the new $10 and $20 bills more of a peach color?

In the middle, yes. And now that the government has just finished redesigning them, we must pay to redesign them again almost immediately because some court ruled that US money is discriminatory against blind people.

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Fenway_Nation Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:28:28am

re: #442 galloping granny

I'd say the crowd was close to half Red Sox fans before the rain delay. It was my last opportunity to see the Red Sox play in the ballpark where the greatest comeback in all of baseball was sealed.

During the All-Star game, I was morbidly wondering what kind of charges and detonators they'd be using to bing down the House that ~~Ruth Built~~ Lucchino Wrecked.

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:32:15am

Pali Work Axis-dent: Gaza tunnel collapse kills three

That's it? Lousy tunnel.

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Caboose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:33:08am

This ought to be good...

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:38:39am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

I'd say the crowd was close to half Red Sox fans before the rain delay. It was my last opportunity to see the Red Sox play in the ballpark where the greatest comeback in all of baseball was sealed.

During the All-Star game, I was morbidly wondering what kind of charges and detonators they'd be using to bing down the House that ~~Ruth Built~~ Lucchino Wrecked.

Sounds like fun :)

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aboo-Hoo-Hoo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:39:55am

Looking for an advanced degee in IED's, EFP's or just plain killing infidels and joooo's? ~~Newspeak~~ ~~Newsweak~~ Newsweek has the university for you: Iran home to one of world's best universities

One of the best universities of the world is in Iran, the Newsweek weekly said in its latest edition, referring to Iran's Sharif University of Science and Technology.

Vunderbar.

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:40:20am

re: #447 Caboose

This ought to be good...

I saw that Cindy had qualified to run against Pelosi a couple of days ago. I'm tempted to send her some $ - it would be nice to see Queen Pelosi dethroned.

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Caboose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:45:13am

re: #450 galloping granny

I saw that Cindy had qualified to run against Pelosi a couple of days ago. I'm tempted to send her some $ - it would be nice to see Queen Pelosi dethroned.

Agreed. I'd love to see her split the moonbat vote in her district and let someone a bit more conservative be voted in (yeah, right; where are you gonna find enough conservatives in THAT district?!?).

Send ol' Blinky back to make wine with her millionaire husband (do we know what name they sell their wine under? Old Pee Lousey?

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:48:56am

Oh China. We know you try so hard... but...

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:49:49am

re: #451 Caboose

Agreed. I'd love to see her split the moonbat vote in her district and let someone a bit more conservative be voted in (yeah, right; where are you gonna find enough conservatives in THAT district?!?).

Send ol' Blinky back to make wine with her millionaire husband (do we know what name they sell their wine under? Old Pee Lousey?

Does Pelosi make wine? I don't drink California wine so I know virtually nothing about it. My style runs more to German, Italian, some from South America. . . . and Hungarian Bull's Blood when you can lay hands on it.

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songbird Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:58:12am

Good morning Lizards!

The kids arrived back at school yesterday and the 6th graders are surprisingly polite and delightful!

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:58:55am

25 More Hints You're Not Voting for Obama [Peter Kirsanow]
Judging by emails, some of you are still undecided. So here are some more helpful hints:

You're unlikely to vote for Obama if you.....

1. aren't registered to vote in France or Germany.
2. believe Gen. Petraeus is more important than Al Gore.
3. nod every time you read a Thomas Sowell column.
4. have ever caught yourself humming the theme from" The Green Berets."
5. have gotten your pants dirty in the last week.
6. kinda like a good steak once in a while.
7. have accidentally discharged your gun during church services in a bitter fit of antipathy over people who aren't like you.
8. wouldn't mind knowing if your 14 year old daughter was being taken by a non-family member to Toledo for an abortion.
9. prefer the Super Bowl to the World Cup.
10. know Sig Sauer isn't the name of Obama's domestic policy advisor.
11. are certain Obama would've taken the tank ride if Dukakis hadn't beaten him to it.
12. can't describe Obama's position on the surge without using the word "incoherent."
13. don't think having a baby is "punishment.".
14. have heard about Obama's vote against the Induced Birth Infant Liability Act.
15. tend to giggle whenever Nancy Pelosi talks energy policy.
16. think your taxes are plenty high already, thank you very much.
17. prefer legislation come from Congress, not the Supreme Court
18. believe we'd be in a world of hurt if we'd followed Obama's advice on Iraq last year.
19. resent the suggestion you're a racist for treating Obama like a serious presidential candidate.
20. hear the name "Osama Bin Laden" and words other than "habeas corpus" come to mind.
21. were to meet William Ayers, you'd be more likely to bop him in the nose than join his board.
22. list either Patton, Braveheart or 300 among your favorite movies.
23. realize that Obama's Speech of the Century on race was, in hindsight, a crock.
24. wonder which government agency is in charge of healing the planet.
25. personally know somebody who packs his passport whenever traveling to San Francisco... just in case.

Score (# of descriptions that apply to you):
0— You heard that according to Publisher's Clearinghouse, Al Gore won Florida
1—3 You think that had Ron Paul gotten more time in the debates he'd be the nominee
4—24 McCain's your man
25 If only Fred Thompson would drink more coffee....

08/11 03:34 PM

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:00:37am

re: #455 Nevergiveup

A bit 'spammy', wasn't that?

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:01:02am

re: #456 Ms. Missive

A bit 'spammy', wasn't that?

Spammy?

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:03:05am

re: #457 Nevergiveup

Spammy?

spam=junk mail

Adding a 'y' makes it an adverb

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:04:42am

So...uh...what blew up last night?

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:05:43am

re: #458 Ms. Missive

spam=junk mail

Adding a 'y' makes it an adverb

It was from the "Corner". I thought it was funny. Each to his or her own I guess.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:06:29am

re: #460 Nevergiveup

Don't mind me. Got me period.

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:06:44am

re: #454 songbird

Good morning Lizards!

The kids arrived back at school yesterday and the 6th graders are surprisingly polite and delightful!

That's frightening. Sixth graders are not supposed to be polite.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:07:34am

re: #455 Nevergiveup

Think it's funny too. Relax y'all!

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MandyManners Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:07:45am

Slant-eyed Spaniards.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:07:55am

re: #461 Ms. Missive

Don't mind me. Got me period.

:P

...and I'm studying Hebrew. It makes me doubly crabby.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:08:08am

re: #461 Ms. Missive

MMITIN!

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:08:57am

re: #465 Ms. Missive

...and I'm studying Hebrew. It makes me doubly crabby.

Beseder.

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songbird Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:09:00am

re: #462 galloping granny

That's frightening. Sixth graders are not supposed to be polite.

These kids are really nice. It's the 7th graders - last year's 6th graders - that are really challenging. I have a few in that class I would like to take over my knee. (Wish their parents would!)

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:09:34am

re: #467 Nevergiveup

Beseder.

Ah! ata medeber ivrite?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:10:02am

re: #468 songbird

These kids are really nice. It's the 7th graders - last year's 6th graders - that are really challenging. I have a few in that class I would like to take over my knee. (Wish their parents would!)

I take it you are a teacher?

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:10:17am

re: #466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

MMITIN!

Told my kids I would study up and get better so MMITIN? Don't know that one.

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songbird Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:11:37am

re: #470 galloping granny

I take it you are a teacher?

Yes I am. I teach choir and general music to middle schoolers.

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:11:49am

re: #461 Ms. Missive

Don't mind me. Got me period.

:P

As Al Bundy once said PMS = Pummel Men's Scrotums

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:11:51am

re: #455 Nevergiveup

Thought that was 25 More Ways You Might Be Racist...

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:12:03am

re: #438 Fenway_Nation

almost as good as wearing my white sox 'got goat' and world series hat to wrigley field.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:14:10am

re: #475 yochanan

almost as good as wearing my white sox 'got goat' and world series hat to wrigley field.

bwahahahahaha! Go WHITE SOX! :)

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:14:17am

re: #471 big steve

Much More Information Than I Needed.

I don't expect it to gain popularity.

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:15:44am

re: #472 songbird

Yes I am. I teach choir and general music to middle schoolers.

That sounds like fun. I homeschool my granddaughter and a couple of her friends of the same age.

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:16:02am

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Thanks and agree.....waking up, basking in my Astro's reaching 500.....and then having to to even think about menstration......think I'll just tip-toe on out of here.

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:17:45am

re: #479 big steve

Thanks and agree.....waking up, basking in my Astro's reaching 500.....and then having to to even think about menstration......think I'll just tip-toe on out of here.

Hey, it is no worse than the constant Viagra commercials.

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:18:33am

re: #477 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Much More Information Than I Needed.

I don't expect it to gain popularity.

Yup, not likely since TMI (To Much Information) is so much shorter and gets the point across equally well...

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songbird Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:18:35am

re: #478 galloping granny

That sounds like fun. I homeschool my granddaughter and a couple of her friends of the same age.

I used to homeschool my children, but circumstances in life changed drastically for me. My 15 year old would love to be homeschooled, but it's not possible now.

I'm still very much pro homeschooling, and wish private school salaries were more competitive as I would love to teach in a private school setting.

As it is, my long term goal is to earn a Doctorate in Musicology and teach at the university level.

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:19:00am

Good morning Lizards...

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:19:11am

re: #479 big steve

Thanks and agree.....waking up, basking in my Astro's reaching 500.....and then having to to even think about menstration......think I'll just tip-toe on out of here.

Glad I could start your day out red...er.. I mean, bright. :)

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:20:30am

re: #483 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...

Dorian Grey. My favorite Oscar Wilde book.

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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:20:34am

re: #481 doriangrey

I was just trying to throw one out there that no one knew. Hiya dorian! You're looking fine this morning (your portrait looks like shit tho).

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:23:36am

re: #480 galloping granny

re: #484 Ms. Missive

This is sexual assault.....I'm telling!

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:24:48am

re: #485 Ms. Missive

Dorian Grey. My favorite Oscar Wilde book.

ROTFLMAO... It's his only "Book", er novel.....

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:25:36am

re: #487 big steve

re: #484 Ms. Missive

This is sexual assault.....I'm telling!

Since we can't touch you, it is only harassment :)

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:25:42am

re: #486 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was just trying to throw one out there that no one knew. Hiya dorian! You're looking fine this morning (your portrait looks like shit tho).

Meh....What can ya do.... Thats why I keep it in the attic.... ;P

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:26:15am

The Olympics are on behind me on t.v. I can only get a European sports channel here in Tel Aviv and the announced just yelled... POWER JERK! in a British accent. God help me that I just had visions of masturbation in my head.

I looked back at the t.v. and saw that it's a weightlifting competition. It all makes sense now.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:26:54am

re: #488 doriangrey

ROTFLMAO... It's his only "Book", er novel.....

You win the Captain Obvious award for today!

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:27:01am

re: #489 galloping granny

Since we can't touch you, it is only harassment :)

Charles....Charles.....please wake up....these girls are being mean!

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:27:30am

re: #410 David IV of Georgia

doesn't the current Georgian flag have the colors reversed?
there is a Georgian bakery down the street from me that has the flag in the window.

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:28:08am

re: #493 big steve

Charles....Charles.....please wake up....these girls are being mean!

You think they are being mean now, just wait till MandyManner introduces you to her clue-by-four... lol...lol...lol...

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:28:10am

re: #494 yochanan

doesn't the current Georgian flag have the colors reversed?
there is a Georgian bakery down the street from me that has the flag in the window.

Maybe it's the bakery that has the effed up flag.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:28:41am

Having me a late dinner...

Saakashvili speaking live on BBC World, shots of anti-Russia protesters. I can see "Czechoslovakia 1968" written on a poster with B/W photos on it.

/mmm, sweet resentment...

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:29:03am

re: #492 Ms. Missive

You win the Captain Obvious award for today!

What can I say... ;P It's a gift I have that I simply must share with others... lol...lol...lol...

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:29:28am

re: #497 laZardo

Having me a late dinner...

Saakashvili speaking live on BBC World, shots of anti-Russia protesters. I can see "Czechoslovakia 1968" written on a poster with B/W photos on it.

/mmm, sweet resentment...

Where are the protesters?

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:31:17am

re: #499 galloping granny

Where are the protesters?

I bet you a fruit cup that they are not in San Fransicko.....

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:35:01am

re: #495 doriangrey

Mandy don't scare me....she has whacked me plenty and I have survived.

/looks both ways

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:35:44am

[Link: commons.wikimedia.org...]

red crosses on white field is the current flag

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:36:26am

re: #501 big steve

Mandy don't scare me....she has whacked me plenty and I have survived.

/looks both ways

Cough cough, you do know that she leaves that clue-by-four where the other lady lizards can easily reach it when she's not here right?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:36:52am

re: #501 big steve

Mandy don't scare me....she has whacked me plenty and I have survived.

/looks both ways

You're safe. She has not shown up yet. Kiddo started school today.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:37:26am

re: #496 Ms. Missive

my son, d.i.l. and grand daughter live in Israel but i have not heard from them in 3 weeks will have to call. they useually call us erv shabat

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Cap'n DOC Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:37:30am

We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful.

C.S. Lewis, from "The Abolition of Man".

A little tidbit from the past to address the quote from the recent past.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:37:44am

re: #503 doriangrey

Cough cough, you do know that she leaves that clue-by-four where the other lady lizards can easily reach it when she's not here right?

clue-by-four? gah?

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:37:50am

Mornin' All!

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:38:37am

re: #505 yochanan

my son, d.i.l. and grand daughter live in Israel but i have not heard from them in 3 weeks will have to call. they useually call us erv shabat

They're probably just on the beach fighting this wretched heat. :) Are they in T.A.?

510

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:39:10am

re: #506 Cap'n DOC

Sounds like the PC crowd and what they're trying to do to boys in grade school!

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:39:33am

re: #497 laZardo

Having me a late dinner...

Saakashvili speaking live on BBC World, shots of anti-Russia protesters. I can see "Czechoslovakia 1968" written on a poster with B/W photos on it.

/mmm, sweet resentment...

I have been to Prague and they have a great story. When the Russians invaded in 1968 the tank commanders took over Wenceslas square. They were told to take over the capital building but didn't know where it was. So spotting a very imposing building at the end of the street they fired a few tank rounds into the facade. Unfortunately it was the Natural History Musuem. The Czech's have left the pock mark there for all to see.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:40:41am

re: #509 Ms. Missive

neve danial

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:41:17am

On FNC, supposedly(!) the Russians have enacted a cease fire. I take that statement with a large dose of doubt.

514

big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:42:43am

re: #503 doriangrey

Cough cough, you do know that she leaves that clue-by-four where the other lady lizards can easily reach it when she's not here right?

That's alright, my wife handles the routine whacking of me quite effectively. Yesterday I actually cleaned my clothes closet and yet got chewed out "because I should have done it years ago."

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:43:19am

re: #510 pingjockey

Sounds like the PC crowd and what they're trying to do to boys in grade school!

Yup, boys definitely are not allowed to be boys anymore. Those that forget themselves are either expelled or drugged.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:45:19am

re: #512 yochanan

neve danial

Neve Daniel? That's a settlement.... isn't it? No beach life for them!

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:45:23am

re: #515 galloping granny

Yup, boys definitely are not allowed to be boys anymore. Those that forget themselves are either expelled or drugged.

Just remember, its for the children.....

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:47:16am

re: #517 doriangrey

Just remember, its for the children.....

The thing I remember is the "No Tolerance" line - a communist/fascist totalitarian dictate if I ever heard one. This generation will, with few exceptions, have not the first half of a clue what freedom of speech or freedom of religion means. They're being taught to believe it means freedom from being offended.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:47:52am

re: #516 Ms. Missive

they are up on top of a mtn. about 333 meters higher than Jerusalem. he was telling me they get winter there offen snows when Jerusalem gets rain. and they seem to get a breeze in the summer.

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Cap'n DOC Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:47:57am

re: #510 pingjockey

The 'book' is available on the web. Very short read. And yes, Lewis is addressing the deplorable state of education. A must read for anybody who cares about what their children are being taught.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:48:18am

re: #515 galloping granny
They tried that drugging crap with my middle boy 7 years ago when he was a 3rd grader. Luckily my mom worked as a ParaPro at another grade school and worked with a boy that was ADD/ADHD and the family doctor, well she's old school too and they both said the school was full of crap and wrote letters to that fact. Michael was just an ordinary rambunctious boy and the school wanted to turn him into an automaton. Didn't happen. However, now that he's 15 they are times I'd like to have a Wild Kingdom dart gun with tranqualizers in it!

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taxfreekiller[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:49:32am

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Aylios Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:49:36am

re: #462 galloping granny

That's frightening. Sixth graders are not supposed to be polite.

Too right granny, creeps me out!

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:50:13am

re: #499 galloping granny

I can't tell exactly where, but they seem close to the podium.

Saakashvili looked very disheveled. Poor guy.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:50:20am

re: #519 yochanan

they are up on top of a mtn. about 333 meters higher than Jerusalem. he was telling me they get winter there offen snows when Jerusalem gets rain. and they seem to get a breeze in the summer.

It's a very different climate compared to everywhere else in Israel.... (besides maybe along the Lebanon border)

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:51:14am

re: #521 pingjockey

They tried that drugging crap with my middle boy 7 years ago when he was a 3rd grader. Luckily my mom worked as a ParaPro at another grade school and worked with a boy that was ADD/ADHD and the family doctor, well she's old school too and they both said the school was full of crap and wrote letters to that fact. Michael was just an ordinary rambunctious boy and the school wanted to turn him into an automaton. Didn't happen. However, now that he's 15 they are times I'd like to have a Wild Kingdom dart gun with tranqualizers in it!

ROTFLMAO... Sound like he is a perfectly health young teenager.... If they are not driving you crazy, then their is something wrong with them... As the old saying goes... Children are gods way of punishing parents for the things they did in their youths...

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:52:22am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (64 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone doing this morning?

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:52:42am

re: #526 doriangrey

Exactly. I have 3 boys, and my parents had 3 boys and my father takes great glee in that fact!

529

irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:52:51am

Good morning, lizards.
64 degrees and sunny along the Lake Michigan shoreline.

I'm having an extremely down morning, and I ask for your prayers.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:53:48am

re: #511 big steve

Fail. XD

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:53:50am

re: #525 Ms. Missive

they are not in the north it is between Jerusalem and bethlem on the israeli side of the fence/wall.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:54:01am

re: #527 realwest
Hey RW! Just fine. High 80s sunny here in Eastern Wa. today. Triple digits by Friday! Start new job today. Yaaay!

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Cap'n DOC Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:54:04am

re: #522 taxfreekiller

Are you talking about deviated drilling? This type reaches almost horizontal in some cases...

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:54:34am

re: #521 pingjockey

They tried that drugging crap with my middle boy 7 years ago when he was a 3rd grader. Luckily my mom worked as a ParaPro at another grade school and worked with a boy that was ADD/ADHD and the family doctor, well she's old school too and they both said the school was full of crap and wrote letters to that fact. Michael was just an ordinary rambunctious boy and the school wanted to turn him into an automaton. Didn't happen. However, now that he's 15 they are times I'd like to have a Wild Kingdom dart gun with tranqualizers in it!

They did this some years back to the son of a friend of mine. I had spent years working with ADD kids, so I was surprised when he told me that the child had ADD. Sure didn't look like it to me. I sent them off to a pediatric neurologist. Turned out the kid had petit mal epilepsy, exacerbated by several years of ritalin, permanent heart damage from the ritalin.

I've seen estimates that as many as 95 or so out of every 100 "ADD" kids is nothing of the sort.

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:55:02am

re: #527 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (64 degrees, going up to 87 degrees) bright and sunny Charlotte!

How is everyone doing this morning?

Morning realwest, feeling pretty good out here on the left coast. Looks like its going to be another beautiful day in paradise. The Vette is on the road again, the price of gas is down to the price of a kidney and the pretty girls are lining up for a ride.... So how are you feeling today?

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:55:03am

OMG! Tommy Chong on FNC now.

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Cap'n DOC Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:55:30am

re: #536 pingjockey

Who's Tommy Chong?

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Bubblehead II Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:56:05am

re: #513 pingjockey

Reuters is running the story as well.

Russia orders halt to war in Georgia

If true, one has to wonder about the peace terms. I suspect the loss of the two contested territories as well as a promise NOT TO JOIN NATO.

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:56:11am

Regarding the events in Georgia, I am wondering if the fix is in. There is something under the water here. The lack of strong response from Bush for several days is suspicious. Then when he does say something Russia immediately seems to do what he says. This is all a dance. I wonder if there is a quid pro quo working? We let them get away with this and they let us get away with letting Israel jumping on Iran?

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:56:17am

re: #531 yochanan

they are not in the north it is between Jerusalem and bethlem on the israeli side of the fence/wall.

I am aware of that. I simply mentioned that their weather is special compared to the rest of the country besides being the same as in the north.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:56:23am

re: #536 pingjockey

alice b toklas brownies they were funny.

542

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:57:06am

re: #534 galloping granny
We should be finding out real soon how much damage that damn drug has done soon now. IIRC, it has been prescribed for over 15 years. The gov't always blowing money, well spend some on doing a study on the after affects of Ritalin.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:57:19am

re: #527 realwest

Three guesses, the answer should be obvious. (;

544

doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:57:36am

re: #537 Cap'n DOC

Who's Tommy Chong?

He's the Chong half of the late 60's and 7-'s comedy duo Cheech and Chong. The dude still smokes enough pot to paralyze Jerry Garcia, he is a major fruit cake...

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Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:57:39am

re: #537 Cap'n DOC

Who's Tommy Chong?

cheech: is Dave there?
chong: Dave's not here man.....

/obscure cheech and chong reference..

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:57:45am

re: #530 laZardo

Fail. XD

Again...not up on the acronyms....."Fail. XD". Enlighten me.

547

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:57:45am

re: #532 pingjockey
Hey Hi there - you're starting a new job on Friday?!
Whoo-Hoo! Tell us about it - or as much as you can or want to - and how come you're starting on a Tuesday? What, you couldn't wait until next Monday?! LOL!

548

yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:58:05am

re: #540 Ms. Missive

grand daughter was born in Jerusalem. i hear stories of her stealing the israeli boys' toys in gan yelidim you can take the nu yawk'r out of nu yawk but you can't take the nu yawk'r out of the girl

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taxfreekiller[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:58:08am

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Cap'n DOC Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:58:13am

re: #536 pingjockey

Chong of Cheech & ?

551

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:58:14am

re: #537 Cap'n DOC
What?! Are you serial man? Cheech and Chong, 70s dope humor at its finest.

552

taxfreekiller[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:58:47am

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Cap'n DOC Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:59:00am

re: #545 Spider Mensch

Got it... Slowwwwwww.

554

Bubblehead II Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:59:10am

re: #537 Cap'n DOC

Cheech and Chong

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:59:11am

re: #535 doriangrey
ROFL! Yea! The 'Vette's rolling again!
I'm doing ok today - you must be in the proverbial "7th Heaven"!

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:00:11am

WARNING! The link posted above by "manray favjet" has nothing to do with Barrack Obama Legal Scholar. It is a hijack link purporting to be a virus scan. Do NOT click that link.

And Manray, do NOT post over my warning again. I don't give a rat's behind how sorry you are. You have been reported.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:00:13am

re: #547 realwest
They are desperate! Servicing/installing installed fire supression systems. Starting with dry chemical systems for diners, then going to intallation of building sprinkler systems.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:00:53am

it took the BEAR time to get all the troops and tanks in place i suspect they did the terrorist stuff to get a reaction out of georgia just to have an excuse to attack.

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Spenser (with an S) Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:01:15am

One of the few things bothering me about the Olympics is hearing Keith Ohlberman's voice. I haven't seen his face yet, but sometimes hear his voice. Trouble is, Lester Holt is on more, but his voice sounds similar enough to trouble me.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:01:43am

re: #534 galloping granny

I've seen estimates that as many as 95 or so out of every 100 "ADD" kids is nothing of the sort.

To underline what you observe and deduce, some of the common triggers that can MIMIC ADD/ADS include bad fluorescent lighting (incomplete spectrum); unshielded fluorescent bulbs creating subsonics, infrasound, audible sound or radio-frequency; PINK lightbulbs; Vitamin B deficiencies; the 'normal' sugar-rush/insulin-crash cycle, and butt-numbing hard seats!

/only those italicized, Granny!

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:01:48am

re: #538 Bubblehead II
Well according to FoxNews, Russia promised to stop fighting (which according to FNC's correspondent in Georgia it hasn't done - big surprise there, hey, Russia lying?) and has insisted that the democratically elected President of Georgia "step down".
Don't know about not joining NATO - they didn't report that from Fox's studio or from their field reporter.

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:02:30am

re: #539 big steve

Regarding the events in Georgia, I am wondering if the fix is in. There is something under the water here. The lack of strong response from Bush for several days is suspicious. Then when he does say something Russia immediately seems to do what he says. This is all a dance. I wonder if there is a quid pro quo working? We let them get away with this and they let us get away with letting Israel jumping on Iran?

Dont bet on it, when Bush told Russia to back off there was a pretty substantial American military presence in Georgia. The US Military was returning Georgian combat troops to Georgia from Iraq. US military transport air craft do not fly into combat zones without substantial fighter escorts. Dollars to donuts says in this case those fighter escorts were making their presence very well known to the Russians.

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:02:32am

no halt to ~~SOVIET~~ RUSSIAN neo fascist imperalism.
air war is still going on.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:02:44am

re: #537 Cap'n DOC

of "Cheech & Chong" fame? with Cheech Marin? Doper jokes?

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galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:02:59am

re: #542 pingjockey

We should be finding out real soon how much damage that damn drug has done soon now. IIRC, it has been prescribed for over 15 years. The gov't always blowing money, well spend some on doing a study on the after affects of Ritalin.

We moved heaven and earth back in the 70's and got that drug BANNED. I was appalled to see that someone had snuck it back through the FDA and was again drugging children with it.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:03:06am

re: #546 big steve

Be enlightened.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:04:18am

re: #565 galloping granny
I didn't know that!

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doriangrey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:04:41am

re: #555 realwest

ROFL! Yea! The 'Vette's rolling again!
I'm doing ok today - you must be in the proverbial "7th Heaven"!

I would be if I wasn't down to only one kidney after filling her up yesterday... But yes I am happy to have her back on the road again. Well, must run off to work.... See ya'll later....

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:04:48am

re: #552 taxfreekiller
Good morning TFK - yep, you're right - see my #561; Russia says it's stopped fighting, Fox's "Reporter on the scene says that Russia's still bombing in the part of Georgia he's in; who ya gonna believe, Russia or your lying eyes? LOL!

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:04:52am

re: #294 St. Pancake

St. Pancake!

How are you? Good to see you-you haven't been around in AGES. Is everything OK?

571

galloping granny Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:05:23am

re: #560 Karridine

To underline what you observe and deduce, some of the common triggers that can MIMIC ADD/ADS include bad fluorescent lighting (incomplete spectrum); unshielded fluorescent bulbs creating subsonics, infrasound, audible sound or radio-frequency; PINK lightbulbs; Vitamin B deficiencies; the 'normal' sugar-rush/insulin-crash cycle, and butt-numbing hard seats!

/only those italicized, Granny!

And certain forms of epilepsy. Never, EVER put your kids on this kind of drug without a thorough physical and a complete evaluation from a psychiatrist (NOT psychologist) who is not associated with your school district - and I don't mean by a run of the mill pediatrician like they were going off to camp.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:05:28am

re: #568 doriangrey
Later man!

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yochanan Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:06:05am

sunday car bq in montreal sunday night.

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:06:37am

re: #557 pingjockey
"They are desperate!" Ah, music to a prospective employee's ears! Good for you!

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:06:42am

re: #571 galloping granny
No doubt. Our family doc checked my boy out, then we went to a psychatrist that our doctor trusted.

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:06:54am

re: #573 yochanan

Yes-the yooooots were rioting. Black and Latino though...not the regular types.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:07:56am

re: #574 realwest
Mwahaha. Apparently I blew the doors off of their aptitude test/psych test/background check etc...

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Bubblehead II Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:08:38am

re: #561 realwest

Those were what I am betting will be included in the final terms for a cease fire. They may insist on President Saakashvili removal, but I doubt that they will get it.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:09:43am

Oh no, the Chinese/NBC faked a bunch of the fireworks. I am so disallusioned.////

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taxfreekiller[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:10:46am

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:11:13am

Apparently Mark Spitz has an obambi sized ego.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:11:19am

re: #579 pingjockey

Oh no, the Chinese/NBC faked a bunch of the fireworks. I am so disallusioned.////

They also fake their children...

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:12:09am

re: #571 galloping granny

100% of the Doctors named Karridine unreservedly support Granny's passionate plea about your children! Get a couple of opinions, if need be. Petit mal epilepsy, vitamin B deficiencies and normal hormonal shifts are NOT some kind of 'ritalin deficiency' requiring ritalin!

584

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:12:27am

Hey all y'all - didn't want to bother putting this in the spin-offs cause I don't really think it's "news" per se but:

8-year-old guitar wiz has reason to play the blues
ELKHORN, Wisconsin - When Tallan "T-Man" Latz was 5, he saw Joe Satriani playing guitar on TV. "I turned around to my dad and said, 'That's exactly what I want to do.'"

Three years and countless hours of practicing later, 8-year-old Tallan is a blues guitar prodigy. He's played in bars and clubs, including the House of Blues in Chicago, and even jammed with Les Paul and Jackson Browne. He has a summer of festivals scheduled and has drawn interest from venues worldwide.

And what, you might ask, would a kid in primary school have the blues about? The state of Wisconsin for one, and some possibly jealous older musicians for another.

An anonymous e-mail sent to state officials complained that Tallan was too young to perform in taverns and nightclubs because of state child labor laws. His booking agent even got an anonymous letter threatening her with death if she keeps booking him.

When Tallan's father read him the state's letter saying he couldn't play clubs anymore (he can still play festivals), the boy's response - like his music - seemed beyond his years.

"He goes, 'It's not how many times you get knocked down but it's how many times you get back up and go forward,' Carl Latz said his son told him. "And I told him that's exactly what this is all about and if nothing else this letter just taught you a life lesson."
[SNIP]
Brad Tolinski, editor-in-chief of Guitar World magazine, said kid guitar prodigies are rare, with one emerging perhaps every four or five years.

"It would be unusual to find an 8-year-old who can play Joe Satriani licks," he said.

Carl Latz said there's no explanation for Tallan's blues connection other than he seems to have an old soul.

"I've had more people tell me, they say 'It's a kid's body but it has a 70-year-old dude inside,'" Carl Latz said.

Tallan, whose heroes are Jimi Hendrix and Stevie Ray Vaughan, has 13 guitars and endorsements from at least nine companies to use their equipment. He can read music but plays mostly from memory.

[Link: enews.earthlink.net...]

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:12:32am

re: #582 Ms. Missive
Why doesn't that surprise me.

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Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:13:15am

re: #579 pingjockey

Oh no, the Chinese/NBC faked a bunch of the fireworks. I am so disallusioned.////

and supposedly the little girl singing there national anthem at the opening ceremonies was lip syncing. the little girl who won the contest to sing didn't look good enough for the people running the ceremony, she had buck teeth.

587

Killer Tomato Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:13:19am

Morning kiddies!
Kerry vulnerable?

WASHINGTON -- Sen. John Kerry, facing his first Democratic primary fight since his election to the Senate more than 20 years ago, is airing a new TV ad in his re-election bid.

In the commercial set to run on Tuesday, Sean Bannon, a soldier from Winthrop, Mass., who was wounded in Iraq, praises Kerry's efforts on behalf of military veterans.

Kerry pinned the Purple Heart on Bannon during a Red Sox game at Fenway Park in April. Kerry, D-Mass., is spending about $300,000 to air the ad.

Kerry challenger Ed O'Reilly has targeted Kerry's Senate vote authorizing President George W. Bush to launch military action against Iraq.

The winner of the Sept. 16 primary will face Republican Jeff Beatty, a former CIA official and member of the Army's Delta Force.

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Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:13:58am

re: #582 Ms. Missive

They also fake their children...

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

gmta

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:14:05am

re: #586 Spider Mensch
See upthread.

590

big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:14:06am

re: #566 laZardo

Liked the link. But still don't understand how it relates to my post.

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:14:16am

re: #586 Spider Mensch

and supposedly the little girl singing there national anthem at the opening ceremonies was lip syncing. the little girl who won the contest to sing didn't look good enough for the people running the ceremony, she had buck teeth.

Yes. Here.... [Link: patriotmissive.com...]

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Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:15:08am

re: #591 Ms. Missive

I saw...now I'm the slow one..lol

593

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:15:30am

Crikey! That Billy Mays asshat is doing insurance commercials.

594

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:15:46am

re: #592 Spider Mensch

touche! :)

595

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:17:19am

"How does this conflict affect our relationship with Russia"? It shows us that the Bear has not changed its spots! I know mixed metaphor, but hey?!

596

Who Watches the Watchmen? Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:18:00am

re: #593 pingjockey

Crikey! That Billy Mays asshat is doing insurance commercials.

BILLY MAYS HERE FOR SOUTH OSSETIAN INDEPENDENCE!

597

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:19:32am

re: #596 Who Watches the Watchmen?
LMAO!

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:19:35am

re: #593 pingjockey Ah, I can think of stronger terms than "Crikey" for that one - I'm just surprised he isn't out hawking for Obama!
I don't think there is anyone on TV (except maybe Olbermann and all of CNN) that is quite as irritating and annoying as Billy Mays!

599

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:20:08am

re: #590 big steve

I thought they thought the Natural History Museum was the Capitol Building, from your post. o_O

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:20:45am

re: #598 realwest
My thoughts exactly. Mays/Uberdork 08.

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irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:22:07am

re: #565 galloping granny

We moved heaven and earth back in the 70's and got that drug BANNED. I was appalled to see that someone had snuck it back through the FDA and was again drugging children with it.

FYI there are a lot of children who have been helped by this medication. My significant other (who is now 40) is a network administrator. He has adult ADD and he uses Concerta. This drug is a miracle drug for him.

Had he been properly diagnosed as a child, it would have saved him years of grief, sadness, pain and frustration trying to navigate a public school system that was more concerned about funding than it was (and still is) is about supporting special needs children and their families.

I'm not sure what motivated and still motivates your mission to ban a drug that actually helps many people function normally in life. I've seen the difference that this medication makes to many who suffer with ADD with my own eyes. I did work in the SPED network for years, and I'm well aware of the stigma and abuse that was heaped upon parents who gave their children a small dose of Ritalin by Scientologists and other groups of people who felt the need to dictate to others what was best for their children.

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Bubblehead II Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:22:14am

re: #598 realwest

Active On Commercials

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:23:55am

re: #601 irish rose
There are also a lot of kids who were doped when they had no reason to be. That is what I was talking about.

604

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:23:56am

Hey all y'all - speaking of music (!) I posted this waaay upthread, but it's worth mentioning again,
Roy Orbison and K.D. Lang doing "Crying" - just MAGNIFICIENT - toin dem speakers UP!

[Link: www.imeem.com...]

605

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:24:53am

re: #604 realwest
kd lang did a great job on that song. Did Roy proud.

606

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:25:57am

Good Morning all from going up to 106 degrees Las Vegas.
I am here for meetings and Barry Manilow is in town. I gotta get out of here.

607

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:26:19am

re: #604 realwest

Hey all y'all - speaking of music (!) I posted this waaay upthread, but it's worth mentioning again,
Roy Orbison and K.D. Lang doing "Crying" - just MAGNIFICIENT - toin dem speakers UP!

[Link: www.imeem.com...]

Yes. It's beautiful. But Roy Orbison is still alive?

608

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:26:31am

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:26:41am

re: #606 opnion
In the immortal words of Monty Python..."run away, run away"!

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:27:08am

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:27:11am

re: #607 Ms. Missive
No Roy passed on a while ago.

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opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:27:19am

re: #604 realwest

Hey all y'all - speaking of music (!) I posted this waaay upthread, but it's worth mentioning again,
Roy Orbison and K.D. Lang doing "Crying" - just MAGNIFICIENT - toin dem speakers UP!

[Link: www.imeem.com...]

Yo Real! I have all of his stuff. The guy really had range.

613

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:27:49am

re: #608 ploome hineni
Hey ploome. How late did you stay last night?

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opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:28:14am

re: #607 Ms. Missive

Yes. It's beautiful. But Roy Orbison is still alive?

No, he is in Rock & Roll heaven.

615

irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:28:20am

re: #603 pingjockey

There are also a lot of kids who were doped when they had no reason to be. That is what I was talking about.

I'm not disputing that either.
My point, is that one size doesn't fit all.

ADD and ADHD are legitimate diagnosis. And stimulant medication helps those who suffer from these disorders tremendously when they are properly diagnosed by a psychiatrist, and their medication carefully monitored.

616

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:28:31am

Good morning folks...

Some updates on the Georgian situation:

The Russians were unable to capture or "bag" the Georgian Army which has withdrawn south.

There are 130 US military advisers/trainers in Georgia.

Bush warns Russia; Medvedev orders halt to action - Putin lied directly to Bush during their meeting in Beijing. Historically, that is not something Bush has ever taken lightly. His response will have long term implications for the next President.

Despite reports that the Russians have called a "halt" to the operation, some fighting continues.

Clearly, there is a lot going on behind the scenes & out of the media we don't know about. As details emerge over the next few days, we will have a better idea of what exactly happened and why.

Obama's confused & uninformed responses (first he blamed both sides, the he blamed Russia more, then he called on Russia to vote to condemn itself at the UNSC) clearly demonstrates he is not fit for the job of Commander in Chief.

617

bosforus Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:29:01am

Toilet paper + fire = one very bad "prank".

The group had wrapped one of the boys in toilet paper. Police say he was a willing participant. The boys then strung toilet paper around parts of the park and lit a piece of it on fire.
...

618

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:29:45am

re: #610 ploome hineni

is he after you?

I think that they are kidnapping people to go to his show.
I am not listening to Copa Cabana. Uh uh, no way

619

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:30:05am

re: #607 Ms. Missive
No, I'm afraid Roy died in 1988.

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:30:11am

re: #612 opnion
What is funny, my last job I had a Roy Orbison cd playing, one of the kids(20 something) comes in and says "hey I thought that was a Van Halen song" Showed him the cd and there's 5 or 6 songs other rock bands had done. The kid was floored.

621

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:30:41am

re: #606 opnion

Good Morning all from going up to 106 degrees Las Vegas.

I am here for meetings and Barry Manilow is in town. I gotta get out of here.

He came & you left without taking,...

622

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:30:47am

623

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:30:56am

re: #615 irish rose
Okay, got you now. Wasn't trying to be difficult.

624

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:32:31am

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:32:58am

re: #601 irish rose

These days, AS is the trendy "syndrome of choice."

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:33:02am

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:33:31am

re: #624 ploome hineni
I left after the 'boss' told everybody to chill out.

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opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:33:35am

re: #620 pingjockey

What is funny, my last job I had a Roy Orbison cd playing, one of the kids(20 something) comes in and says "hey I thought that was a Van Halen song" Showed him the cd and there's 5 or 6 songs other rock bands had done. The kid was floored.

Roy was an original. A lot of contemporary music is recycled.
The most annoying was the Dixie Chicks doing a redo on 'Landslide"
Nothing like the way Stevie Nicks & Fleetwood Mac did it.

629

Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:34:04am

re: #601 irish rose

Rose, there is so much that touches on this problem that we cannot cover here... but a few examples: does your husband REALLY have a Concerta deficiency? If not, then you are treating EFFECTS, not healing CAUSES.

To quote you, "Had he been properly diagnosed ..." just today, he could be spared the whole 'sickness-medication' syndrome. We are a nation of overmedicated people often unaware of the machinations of an entrenched orthodoxy, the medical drug industry.

THEY see it in their interest to continue to 'diagnose' the so-called "Attention Deficiency Syndrome" because it means they sell ADD medications.

Your experience is valid. I do NOT seek to invalidate your opinion, but ask you to be open to more than standard medical practice, Ma'am.

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:34:08am

Boker effen Tov.

631

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:34:10am

re: #628 opnion
What?! Gaah.

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:34:18am

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Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:34:22am

re: #615 irish rose

You make a very important point. Specific drugs should not be banned just because some doctors prescribe them inappropriately or misdiagnose patients. Drugs should be banned only if there is solid scientific evidence of the risk of side-effects outweighing the benefits. Too often some political activist campaign gets a hold of a particular issue and drives these things.

The solution is better education of the public and better training of doctors, not the banning of helpful drugs.

634

Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:35:24am

re: #611 pingjockey

Just after the first 'Traveling Wilburys' session... see the YouTUBE vid of "Going to the End of the Line" and there's an empty rocking chair there for Roy Orbison's vocals...

635

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:35:43am

re: #632 ploome hineni
Charles, you silly goose! The "pycho" is just annoying.

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irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:35:47am

re: #623 pingjockey

Okay, got you now. Wasn't trying to be difficult.

I didn't think you were ;).

I tend to think that most people who advocate the "banning" of stimulant medications and decry the "drugging of our children!" are the same people who think that ADHD add ADD are not legitimate disorders, or have never had a close relationship with a sufferer.

637

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:36:09am

Prehistoric giant animals killed by man, not climate: study

evil.

638

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:36:22am

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:36:25am

re: #620 pingjockey

What
is funny, my last job I had a Roy Orbison cd playing, one of the
kids(20 something) comes in and says "hey I thought that was a Van
Halen song" Showed him the cd and there's 5 or 6 songs other rock bands
had done. The kid was floored.

I was in high school when Wayne's World (the movie) came out, with the classic "Bohemian Rhapsody" scene. Several of my classmates were soon talking about the "new" Queen song they had just heard.

640

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:36:43am

re: #630 Ben Hur

Boker effen Tov.

erev effen tov

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:37:29am

re: #636 irish rose
The poor kid my mom worked with had ADD as a result of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. Don't know what has happened to him. Just break your heart to see this kid.

642

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:37:55am

Beijing Olympics: Faking scandal over girl who 'sang' in opening ceremony

It's working.

643

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:38:27am

re: #639 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
What?! That came out in 1974/75 IIRC. Was in High school.

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:38:36am

re: #605 pingjockeyIndeed, perfect duet - but she clearly "out sings" Roy on the higher end of the scale.
This was taken from a concert for Roy of which I fiercely retained custody (home-made VHS) in my last divorce battle!
I've also seen her sing the entire song by herself - then, after the umpteenth standing ovation started to sing something else to quiet the audience down and she stopped singing and said "Roy Orbison was a great man and a great GREAT singer and he gave me my start in Music as one of his back up singers, then did a duet with me on "Crying" - that's the end of this show folks, just wanted you to know that"!

645

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:39:03am

When is there usually a new post on LGF?

646

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:39:36am

re: #642 Ben Hur

Beijing Olympics: Faking scandal over girl who 'sang' in opening ceremony

It's working.

It's Millie Vanilee all over again. This is war baby!

647

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:39:56am

re: #640 Ms. Missive

Are you in Eretz?

648

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:39:56am

re: #642 Ben Hur

Beijing Olympics: Faking scandal over girl who 'sang' in opening ceremony

It's working.

I hope all of China's new military hardware ( you know the stuff they stole from us or were given!) is also just an illusion!

649

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:40:25am

How Clooney offers good friend Obama advice on issues from body language to Iraq

We are all effen doomed.

650

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:40:28am

re: #646 opnion

I thought she looked a little too 'anime' to be true....

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

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pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:41:03am

re: #644 realwest
Did you see the black and white show that was on PBS? Had everbody and their brother in the band. Elvis Costello, Bruce Springsteen. The harmony section was Emmy Lou Harris(IIRC) and two other honeys I can't remember. Damn CRS.

652

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:41:13am

George is pushing him to be more “balanced” on issues such as US relations with Israel.
'George is pro-Palestinian. And he is also urging Barack to withdraw unconditionally from Iraq if he wins.

I'm done with this guy.

653

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:41:16am

re: #643 pingjockey

What?! That came out in 1974/75 IIRC. Was in High school.

I know. Most of my classmates weren't even born when "Bohemian Rhapsody" came out. Though it did inspire one dude to buy A Night At The Opera, which became his favorite album.

654

bosforus Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:41:25am

re: #645 Ms. Missive

When is there usually a new post on LGF?

A few minutes after Chuck's rooster crows.

655

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:41:43am

re: #612 opnion Yep,iirc, he started his musical training aiming to be an opera singer(!) until he realized he enjoyed "popular" music more and it paid MUCH better.
BTW, did you know that Tom Petty helped resurrect Roy's career - same way he did with Del Shannon and others - just cause, as Petty said, without them there'd be no us!

656

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:42:01am

re: #646 opnion

It's Millie Vanilee all over again. This is war baby!

Blame it on the rain.

657

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:42:09am

re: #645 Ms. Missive
When Charles gets up and gets going. I think he was up late last night refereeing a little war we had going.

658

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:42:23am

re: #644 realwest

Guess who else did back up for Roy? Bruce Spingsteen. Bet that you knew.

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:42:42am

re: #649 Ben Hur

How Clooney offers good friend Obama advice on issues from body language to Iraq

We are all effen doomed.

I saw that also. Well at least Clooney made a movie about the Middle East once, and I think he also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:43:08am

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:43:45am

re: #655 realwest

Yep,iirc, he started his musical training aiming to be an opera
singer(!) until he realized he enjoyed "popular" music more and it paid
MUCH better.
BTW, did you know that Tom Petty helped resurrect Roy's
career - same way he did with Del Shannon and others - just cause, as
Petty said, without them there'd be no us!

You just inspired me to put Full Moon Fever on!

662

Dirk Diggler Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:43:50am

Ben Hur,

Prehistoric giant animals killed by man, not climate: study

evil.

And if the authors published a study telling you that wolverines made good house pets, would you believe them?

663

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:44:11am

re: #662 Dirk Diggler

Ben Hur,

And if the authors published a study telling you that wolverines made good house pets, would you believe them?

yes.

664

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:44:16am

re: #634 Karridine
Ah yeah. Miss him, I do.
Hey how are you doing K ?

665

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:44:19am

re: #656 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No, we can'tlet this go. China must pay reparations for this outrage.

666

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:44:21am

667

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:44:46am

re: #662 Dirk Diggler

Ben Hur,

And if the authors published a study telling you that wolverines made good house pets, would you believe them?

no.

668

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:44:57am

re: #659 Nevergiveup

I
saw that also. Well at least Clooney made a movie about the Middle East
once, and I think he also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

Yeah, Three Kings was back when George Clooney thought that abandoning the Iraq people to islamo-fascist death squads was a bad idea.
/hat tip to Dirty Harry's Place

669

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:45:11am

re: #662 Dirk Diggler

Thank goodness for EXPERTS. And STUDIES and RESEARCH.

670

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:45:50am

re: #651 pingjockey
LOL! Yeah, the other two "honey's" were Bonnie Rait and K.D. Lang! LOL!

671

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:45:59am

re: #662 Dirk Diggler

Ben Hur,

And if the authors published a study telling you that wolverines made good house pets, would you believe them?

What movie was that line from?

672

jorline Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:46:16am

Good morning lizards...it's a sunny, hot day along the TX coast.

673

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:46:27am

re: #668 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Yeah, Three Kings was back when George Clooney thought that abandoning the Iraq people to islamo-fascist death squads was a bad idea.
/hat tip to Dirty Harry's Place

I never understood that.

Great flic.

Then when it's GWB's term, suddenly Clooney reverses?

That always annoyed me.

674

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:46:33am

I used to think George was hot-on the first season of ER, but he's such a moonbat that he is totally NOT HOT for me anymore. I'm sure he'll be devastated about the news.

675

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:46:36am

re: #671 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What movie was that line from?

The truth about cats and dogs?

676

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:46:42am

re: #629 Karridine

Your assertion that medications cannot treat illnesses because an given illness is not caused by a lack of that particular medication is patently absurd.

More often, a given medical condition has a cause quite different from the lack of a particular medication or treatment, BUT the medication is still useful to treat it.

For example: surgery, stitches & antibiotics are a useful and appropriate way to treat a knife wound. The "cause" of the problem was not a lack of stitches or antibiotics. The cause was a knife wound. Merely removing the knife, or telling the patient to please avoid getting stabbed, is insufficient to properly treat the patient.

Disorders like ADHD & others have complex etiologies involving genetics, development and environment. It is impossible to remove those causes, after the fact. Therefore the only course open to treating those patients who suffer from ADHD is to treat the symptoms.

Please don't condemn people to further needless suffering because current treatment protocols don't measure up to your idiosyncratic standard of philosophical purity.

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:46:44am

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:47:12am

re: #670 realwest

LOL! Yeah, the other two "honey's" were Bonnie Rait and K.D. Lang! LOL!

k.d lang's not a bad-looking guy.
/what?

679

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:47:14am

re: #659 Nevergiveup

I saw that also. Well at least Clooney made a movie about the Middle East once, and I think he also stayed at a Holiday Inn Express.

Hmmm, I think that someone should check to see if clooney completed his GED.
Cause you know, if he didn't he should probably hold back his international relations advice.

680

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:47:25am

681

Dirk Diggler Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:47:52am

buzzsawmonkey,

What movie was that line from?

Planes, Trains, and Automobiles

682

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:47:56am

re: #675 Nevergiveup

The truth about cats and dogs?

Can't be. I never saw that, but I know I've heard that line in a movie before.

683

jorline Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:48:04am

re: #629 Karridine

Rose, there is so much that touches on this problem that we cannot cover here... but a few examples: does your husband REALLY have a Concerta deficiency? If not, then you are treating EFFECTS, not healing CAUSES.

To quote you, "Had he been properly diagnosed ..." just today, he could be spared the whole 'sickness-medication' syndrome. We are a nation of overmedicated people often unaware of the machinations of an entrenched orthodoxy, the medical drug industry.

THEY see it in their interest to continue to 'diagnose' the so-called "Attention Deficiency Syndrome" because it means they sell ADD medications.

Your experience is valid. I do NOT seek to invalidate your opinion, but ask you to be open to more than standard medical practice, Ma'am.

Please be more specific about the bold above...thanks

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:48:13am

re: #649 Ben Hur

How Clooney offers good friend Obama advice on issues from body language to Iraq

We are all effen doomed.

And Winnie the Pooh provides advice for national security?

/doomed, i tells ya

685

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:48:34am

re: #661 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

You just inspired me to put Full Moon Fever on!

LOL! Well then I reckon I've accomplished some good here!

686

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:48:44am

re: #645 Ms. Missive

When is there usually a new post on LGF?

When Charles wakes up... he lives in California, so that means the next post will be sometime between 11 and 12. If he's late, we usually send somebody to go jump on his bed.

687

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:48:53am

re: #679 opnion

Hmmm, I think that someone should check to see if clooney completed his GED.
Cause you know, if he didn't he should probably hold back his international relations advice.

When I was in Lake Coumo Italy a year ago, I was looking for Clooney's place so I could take a wiz on his lawn. Never did find it.

688

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:49:40am

re: #666 cutestguy

Sure isn't like his aunt Rosemary, is he?

I remember when Clooney was new in Hollywood. He was on the Tonight Show & talked about how Aunt Rosemary took him in when he got to town.
Then the punk went on to mock her over her weight.

689

Iron Fist Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:49:42am

re: #680 cutestguy

That was the pro-Suicide Bomber flick, wasn't it? Not cool.

690

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:49:58am

re: #682 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Can't be. I never saw that, but I know I've heard that line in a movie before.

I was just kidding and that other moonbat was in that movie- Garafalo? I think

691

big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:50:02am

re: #674 WriterMom

I used to think George was hot-on the first season of ER, but he's such a moonbat that he is totally NOT HOT for me anymore. I'm sure he'll be devastated about the news.

Haven't seen him in anything in a while. Does he still mumble and look down all the time?

692

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:50:22am

re: #672 jorline Good morning jorline! How are you doing this morning?

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:50:34am

re: #686 Kenneth

When Charles wakes up... he lives in California, so that means the next post will be sometime between 11 and 12. If he's late, we usually send somebody to go jump on his bed.

/looking at watch, tapping foot, and cursing Tel Aviv time.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:04am

re: #687 Nevergiveup

When
I was in Lake Coumo Italy a year ago, I was looking for Clooney's place
so I could take a wiz on his lawn. Never did find it.

Does he have a star on The Walk of Fame? You could always "take care of business" there.

695

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:19am

re: #637 Ben Hur

Prehistoric giant animals killed by man, not climate: study

evil.

The thing that suprises me most about this article:

"A lot of people still have in their minds an axe-wielding, spear-wielding people, bloodthirsty, out there slaughtering all over the place -- it wasn't like that at all," he said.

"It was basically just one joey (baby kangaroo) in the pot for Christmas. And that's all you've got to go to do to drive slow-breeding species to extinction."

Roberts said the Tasmanian results back up the theory that man was responsible for the death of the mega-fauna on mainland Australia, estimated by some to have occurred shortly after human occupation about 46,000 years ago.

Who knew that Tasmanians were celebrating Christmas 46,000 years ago?

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:38am

re: #693 Ms. Missive

:)

/looking at watch, tapping foot, and cursing Tel Aviv time.

well that time of month will do that to you.

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opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:44am

re: #687 Nevergiveup

When I was in Lake Coumo Italy a year ago, I was looking for Clooney's place so I could take a wiz on his lawn. Never did find it.

Sorry to hear that. Whizzing on Clooneys lawn could be very cathardic.

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:59am

re: #693 Ms. Missive

:)

/looking at watch, tapping foot, and cursing Tel Aviv time.

I guess that answers my question.

What do you do in Tel Aviv?

699

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:52:04am

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:52:38am

re: #694 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does he have a star on The Walk of Fame? You could always "take care of business" there.

That would be rather obvious and also the bounce from a cement surface ain't all that hygienic.

701

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:52:45am

re: #673 Ben Hur

I never understood that.

Great flic.

Then when it's GWB's term, suddenly Clooney reverses?

That always annoyed me.

Which part are you having trouble understanding? If a Republican does it, it's bad. It's a very simple rule. Try to keep up, Ben.

702

jorline Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:52:47am

re: #692 realwest

Good morning jorline! How are you doing this morning?

I'm well except the damn eye is giving me fits. I have another appointment next week, but I think I'm going to move it up...the meds aren't working.

I hope you're well my friend...you sound good.

703

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:53:03am

re: #678 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey ROFL! Yeah I read an interview with Roy - not long before his death and the interviewer asked Roy if he knew K.D. was a lesbian and Roy's answer was "Funny, she doesn't sound like one!" LOL!
All he care about was the MUSIC. Not what she or anyone else did in bed with whom!

704

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:53:24am

re: #691 big steve

Don't know. I don't watch enough TV to see his mug around. And the hubba-hubba factor for me is just in the toilet with him because of his politics.

705

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:53:48am

re: #699 cutestguy

I wonder what his dad Nick thought of that crack. I remember that too.

Bet he thought, "You ungrateful jerk!"

706

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:54:06am

re: #701 Occasional Reader

Which part are you having trouble understanding? If a Republican does it, it's bad. It's a very simple rule. Try to keep up, Ben.

Been a little sluggish lately.

707

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:54:14am

re: #691 big steve

Haven't seen him in anything in a while. Does he still mumble and look down all the time?

What's George Clooney up to? I'm glad you asked - he's filming the "heroic" story of the defense of Bin Laden's driver, the recently convicted Salim Hamden.

708

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:54:57am

re: #696 big steve

well that time of month will do that to you.

LMAO! You weren't supposed to remember that....

709

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:55:02am

re: #680 cutestguy

He did Syriana also. That wasn't a bad flick at all.

You're kidding, right? Moonbat central. Everything wrong in the Middle East is our fault. There are all these wonderful liberal democratic Arab leaders just yearning to take the reins and guide their people wisely and justly, if only the evil US would stop assassinating them.

710

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:55:09am

re: #686 Kenneth
Good morning Kenneth! "we usually send ~~somebody~~ a newbie to go jump on his bed."
Fixed that for ya!

711

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:55:10am

re: #695 Occasional Reader

Who knew that Tasmanians were celebrating Christmas 46,000 years ago?

They're just a little ahead of the curve there.

712

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:55:42am

Clooney's secret to acting, (also adopted my Julia Roberts - the untalented of the Roberts siblings) is NOT to act.

Just act 100% like yourself.

He is the same in every role.

713

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:56:11am

re: #709 Occasional Reader

You're kidding, right? Moonbat central. Everything wrong in the Middle East is our fault. There are all these wonderful liberal democratic Arab leaders just yearning to take the reins and guide their people wisely and justly, if only the evil US would stop assassinating them.

Thats how I read it.

714

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:56:12am

re: #698 Ben Hur

I guess that answers my question.

What do you do in Tel Aviv?

Studying. Writing. etc etc.

715

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:56:41am

Finally something I can kinda support Peta on:

The billboards, in English and Spanish, would offer the caution: "If the Border Patrol Doesn't Get You, the Chicken and Burgers Will — Go Vegan."
"We think that Mexicans and other immigrants should be warned if they cross into the U.S. they are putting their health at risk by leaving behind a healthier, staple diet of corn tortillas, beans, rice, fruits and vegetables," said Lindsay Rajt, assistant manager of PETA's vegan campaigns.

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Some people have way to much time on their hands! Kinda like us all here?

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:56:49am

re: #714 Ms. Missive

How long have you been in ISrael?

717

big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:57:16am

re: #708 Ms. Missive

LMAO! You weren't supposed to remember that....

How could I forget you all seared it on my brain so early this morning.

718

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:57:21am

re: #695 Occasional Reader Good morning O.R. - are you suggesting that the Tasmanians were ahead of their time? Or His time, anyway?! LOL!

719

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:57:25am

re: #709 Occasional Reader

You're
kidding, right? Moonbat central. Everything wrong in the Middle East is
our fault. There are all these wonderful liberal democratic Arab
leaders just yearning to take the reins and guide their people wisely
and justly, if only the evil US would stop assassinating them.

Liberal democratic muslim leaders, like the ones we installed in Afghanistan, Iraq, and have supported in Lebanon? Cognitive dissonance on display for all to see - liberalism is a mental disorder.

720

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:57:39am

re: #716 Ben Hur

How long have you been in ISrael?

6 months. And you? Have you been here before?

721

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:57:51am

You mean wolverines don't make good pets? Damn, no I'm gonna have to evict them from my back yard. Damn Michigan fans anyway.

722

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:57:58am

re: #707 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What's George Clooney up to? I'm glad you asked - he's filming the "heroic" story of the defense of Bin Laden's driver, the recently convicted Salim Hamden.

Well, thank goodness Clooney is finally attempting to round all those jingoistic "go USA!" Marines-wipe-out-bad-guys flicks he's been churning out since 9/11.

723

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:58:03am

re: #712 Ben Hur

Clooney's secret to acting, (also adopted my Julia Roberts - the untalented of the Roberts siblings) is NOT to act.

Just act 100% like yourself.

He is the same in every role.

That was John Waynes strategy. He always played John Wayne & it worked.
Even the Duke as Gengis Khan worked, it was so damn funny!

724

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:58:04am

re: #674 WriterMom

I used to think George was hot-on the first season of ER, but he's such a moonbat that he is totally NOT HOT for me anymore. I'm sure he'll be devastated about the news.

and clooney is what hollywood offers as a real man.
that is laughable.
good morning all you fine folks.

725

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:58:35am

CNN Avoids Mentioning Islam in Segment on 'Honor Killings'

Magic legs.

726

Spider Mensch Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:58:55am

clooney...lol..soem of the movies he's done are somewhat entertaining.."oh brother where art thou" by the Cohen brothers was good. but he has the problem most of hollywood has, they actually think we care what they think. that somehow being able to act, first and foremost, makes your opinion matter more than 99.9999% of the rest of the world. They think that popularity=smarts, it doesn't. if anything most of the hollywood crowd is rather on the dumb side, below average.

727

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:03am

re: #709 Occasional Reader

...and it's all about the oil. Just like the Russian invasion of Georgia, where the Russian energy hegemony is threatened by a pipeline that skirts their territory. That's why the Western capitals are thronging with protesters denouncing Russia's "War for Oil"...

...or maybe not.

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big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:06am

re: #724 nyc redneck

and clooney is what hollywood offers as a real man.
that is laughable.
good morning all you fine folks.

dating myself but I remember him on the Roseanne show.

729

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:08am

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nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:19am

re: #712 Ben Hur

Clooney's secret to acting, (also adopted my Julia Roberts - the untalented of the Roberts siblings) is NOT to act.

Just act 100% like yourself.

He is the same in every role.

wonder why that doesn't work for madonna?

731

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:29am

re: #720 Ms. Missive

6 months. And you? Have you been here before?

Lived there for a little over 10 years.

Working in NYC now.

Will be back!

732

Dirk Diggler Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:32am

Wolverines make great alarm clocks too - study.

Someone neeeds to throw one on Charles bed.

733

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:43am

re: #702 jorline I'm feeling ok - music does that to me sometimes - but I'm concerned for you my friend - if your doc can't give you an appointment right away, just go there and sit in his office and make him see you (assuming, of course, his office is open). I'm very fucking serious here - do not wait at all!

734

mitthrawnurdo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:45am

re: #712 Ben Hur

But George was most like himself in that wonderful film known as Team America - World Police.

/George Cloony - F.A.G. (Film Actors Guild) - lol!

735

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:46am

re: #711 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They're just a little ahead of the curve there.

While the neolithic Tasmanian Christians were gobbling down giant Christmas 'roo, presumably the neolithic Tasmanian Jews were filling the Chinese restauarants.

736

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:59:46am

re: #725 Ben Hur

CNN Avoids Mentioning Islam in Segment on 'Honor Killings'

Magic legs.

Kinda like talking about religious circumcisions without mentioning Jews!

737

looking closely Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:00:04am

re: #8 looking closely
It was the ancient Greeks who used that refrain.
It was because in standard rank formation, a soldier's shield was used to protect the soldier NEXT to them. For that reason, losing your shield was letting your team down, and was considered highly dishonorable.

re: #146 UncleSam

That makes absolutely no sense whatever and I call "Bullshit" on your assertion.

Allow me to enlighten you:

According to Plutarch, when asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king Demaratos (510-491 BC) is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all."

Don't take my word for it: Phalanx

The hoplite phalanx of the Archaic and Classical periods in Greece (approx. 750-350 BCE) was a formation in which the hoplites would line up in ranks in close order. The hoplites would lock their shields together, and the first few ranks of soldiers would project their spears out over the first rank of shields.

Individual hoplites carried their shields on their left arm, protecting not themselves but the soldier to the left. This meant that the men at the extreme right of the phalanx were only half protected.

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:00:14am

re: #726 Spider Mensch

clooney...lol..soem of the movies he's done are somewhat
entertaining.."oh brother where art thou" by the Cohen brothers was
good. but he has the problem most of hollywood has, they actually think
we care what they think. that somehow being able to act, first and
foremost, makes your opinion matter more than 99.9999% of the rest of
the world. They think that popularity=smarts, it doesn't. if anything
most of the hollywood crowd is rather on the dumb side, below average.

Exhibit A: Cameron "Rape Will Be Legalized if Bush is Re-elected" Diaz.

739

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:00:14am

re: #720 Ms. Missive

6 months. And you? Have you been here before?

Made Aliya in '94

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:00:31am

re: #724 nyc redneck

Yah. I think the only real man 'type' on TV is what's his name...Dennis-I can't remember his last name. He's very patriotic, does the show about firemen...

741

Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:00:56am

re: #712 Ben Hur

Clooney's secret to acting, (also adopted my Julia Roberts - the untalented of the Roberts siblings) is NOT to act.

Just act 100% like yourself.

He is the same in every role.

A friend of mine used to call Julia Robarts, "Eric Roberts with t*ts." I agree, I don't find her that attractive.

742

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:10am

re: #729 ploome hineni

hi

good morning ploomie.
how is your morning unfolding?
i get to help my brother w/ windows today and then freeze blueberries.

743

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:15am

744

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:29am

re: #735 Occasional Reader

Just trying to stir things up, aren't ya?

745

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:34am

re: #740 WriterMom
Leary. He also does the asshole song.

746

irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:57am

re: #629 Karridine

Rose, there is so much that touches on his problem that we cannot cover here... but a few examples: does your husband REALLY have a Concerta deficiency? If not, then you are treating EFFECTS, not healing CAUSES.

He's not my husband.
And what are you talking about when you refer to a "concerta deficiency? There is no such thing.

As for treating effects over causes, why do you automatically assume that parents who give this medication to their children or adults who take it are just looking for some kind of "quick fix"?

It took my SO over 6 months to achieve an accurate diagnosis, and it was given only after other potential causes were ruled out. This is standard procedure for any psychiatrist doing an add/adhd eval.

To quote you, "Had he been properly diagnosed ..." just today, he could be spared the whole 'sickness-medication' syndrome. We are a nation of overmedicated people often unaware of the machinations of an entrenched orthodoxy, the medical drug industry.

I'm no fan of the prescription drug industry, believe me. But again, I have a real problem with those who suggest that they know what is best for other people or that they understand the sufferers "problems" better than they do. You can only make that assertion if you are a physician who has training in diagnosing these disorders, you are the persons' primary physician, and you have a case history.

THEY see it in their interest to continue to 'diagnose' the so-called "Attention Deficiency Syndrome" because it means they sell ADD medications.

Only if you think that drug companies that manufacture and sell stimulant medications are evil incarnate, and the doctors who prescribe them are incompetent.

Your experience is valid. I do NOT seek to invalidate your opinion, but ask you to be open to more than standard medical practice, Ma'am.

Respectfully, karradine... please don't make the mistake of assuming that my SO was too lazy to seek out an accurate diagnosis or investigate alternative treatments simply because he chooses to take a medication that you don't approve of. His diagnosis is 100 percent accurate and the effectiveness of this medication in his case has been proven out time and time again.

747

big steve Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:57am

re: #740 WriterMom

Yah. I think the only real man 'type' on TV is what's his name...Dennis-I can't remember his last name. He's very patriotic, does the show about firemen...

Denis O'Leary.....show is "Rescue Me". Just about the best on the tube now.

748

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:01:58am

re: #727 Kenneth

...and it's all about the oil. Just like the Russian invasion of Georgia, where the Russian energy hegemony is threatened by a pipeline that skirts their territory. That's why the Western capitals are thronging with protesters denouncing Russia's "War for Oil"...

...or maybe not.

I could barely get into work today because of the massive anti-war protest spilling over from the National Mall, with all those Code Pink people denouncing Russia.

Kidding! Of course.

749

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:00am

re: #741 Ward Cleaver

A friend of mine used to call Julia Robarts, "Eric Roberts with t*ts." I agree, I don't find her that attractive.

He was a great actor.

Don't know what happened. Drugs? (you'd think that would help with acting)

My thumbs, CHarlie!

They took my thumbs!

750

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:02am

re: #731 Ben Hur

Lived there for a little over 10 years.

Working in NYC now.

Will be back!

טוב מאוד!

Maybe you can teach me Hebrew then....

751

Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:13am

re: #740 WriterMom

Yah. I think the only real man 'type' on TV is what's his name...Dennis-I can't remember his last name. He's very patriotic, does the show about firemen...

Dennis Leary.

752

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:27am

re: #733 realwest

I'm feeling ok - music does that to me sometimes - but I'm concerned for you my friend - if your doc can't give you an appointment right away, just go there and sit in his office and make him see you (assuming, of course, his office is open). I'm very fucking serious here - do not wait at all!

You can always go through Emergency. Som Insurance plans have additional out of pocket, but if the PCP ain't gettin it done.

753

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:29am

re: #715 Nevergiveup

Finally something I can kinda support Peta on:

The billboards, in English and Spanish, would offer the caution: "If the Border Patrol Doesn't Get You, the Chicken and Burgers Will — Go Vegan."
"We think that Mexicans and other immigrants should be warned if they cross into the U.S. they are putting their health at risk by leaving behind a healthier, staple diet of corn tortillas, beans, rice, fruits and vegetables," said Lindsay Rajt, assistant manager of PETA's vegan campaigns.

[Link: www.chron.com...]

Some people have way to much time on their hands! Kinda like us all here?

Speaketh for thineownself! I have plenty I could be doing.
I just don't remember what it is!

754

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:32am

re: #745 pingjockey

The asshole song? Sounds like my kind of tune...linky?

755

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:53am

Later folks. Have a fine day. Fight nice.

756

Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:02:54am

re: #749 Ben Hur

He was a great actor.

Don't know what happened. Drugs? (you'd think that would help with acting)

My thumbs, CHarlie!

They took my thumbs!

Yeah, I think he went the way of Mickey Rourke. Now there's a mess.

757

jorline Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:04am

re: #615 irish rose

I'm not disputing that either.
My point, is that one size doesn't fit all.

ADD and ADHD are legitimate diagnosis. And stimulant medication helps those who suffer from these disorders tremendously when they are properly diagnosed by a psychiatrist, and their medication carefully monitored.

My son who is 14yo has been on Concerta since he was nine. He was diagnosed with CAPD...Central Auditory Processing Disorder. His life is 100% better and more productive since he started taking Concerta.

758

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:04am

re: #740 WriterMom

You mean this guy?

759

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:08am

Jewish-Palestinian gang of car thieves detained

PEACE!

760

Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:11am

And Ray Liotta.

761

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:24am

re: #738 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

S pretty , but so freaking stupid.

762

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:26am

re: #747 big steve

Right...I've seen a few episodes.

763

Ward Cleaver Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:36am

re: #759 Ben Hur

Jewish-Palestinian gang of car thieves detained

PEACE!

Interfaith cooperation!

764

pingjockey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:45am

re: #754 WriterMom
Maybe on youtube. Saw him do it on comedy central. Pretty funny. Really gotta go now!

765

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:03:47am

re: #758 Kenneth

LOL. Oh yah...jail bait. Really hot!

766

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:02am

re: #715 Nevergiveup

I know the feeling. (;

/has to be doing homework nao...

767

alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:05am

Jon Voight meanwhile has gone from "actor" to lizard~ and what an act of courage that takes in the movie business where no diversity of thought is allowed.

Voight is in David Zucker's new movie "An American Carol" which I hope you'll all see & take your family to see.

Voight suggested his daughter "Angie" Angelina Jolie is a lot like Cindy McCain, who just returned from Sudan, in terms of adopting children.

That's certainly open to debate. But Jon Voight ROCKS more than all the vapid addled bellybutton gazers considered "celebrities".

Voight is becoming Reaganesque and I celebrate that.

768

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:13am

re: #745 pingjockey

Leary. He also does the asshole song.

"John Wayne isn't dead - he's frozen. And as soon as we find a cure for cancer, we're thawing him out & he's gonna be pissed!" LOL - I love that album!

769

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:16am

re: #750 Ms. Missive

Ulpan!

Best is Ulpan Akiva in Netanya.

But if your in Tel Aviv there's a good one on King George Street.

Or at Tel Aviv University.

770

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:22am

re: #764 pingjockey

Cheers, ping.

771

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:24am

re: #724 nyc redneck
Good morning back atcha! How are you today?

772

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:29am

re: #740 WriterMom

Yah. I think the only real man 'type' on TV is what's his name...Dennis-I can't remember his last name. He's very patriotic, does the show about firemen...

i know who you mean. dennis leary? we also have jon voight. he has reasoning power. he moved beyond the hate america hippie sh*t. and we have gary sinese.
even elvis was more patriotic than the hollywood wimps of today.

773

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:42am

re: #759 Ben Hur

That's really coexistence...Jewish and Muslim drug dealers, money launderers and pimps work so well together in the Holy Land. It's, so..so special.

774

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:04:56am

re: #767 alegrias

Give it a few months and he'll be vaporized from the Hollywood scene...

775

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:05:12am

re: #743 cutestguy

Exhibit A: Cameron "Rape Will Be Legalized if Bush is Re-elected" Diaz.

Did she really say that? holy shit...

She set a new standard in Moonbat Projection fantasy.

776

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:05:23am

re: #767 alegrias

Jon Voigt rocks.

777

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:05:48am

778

JammieWearingFool Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:05:59am

Denis Leary's cousin was killed in that Worcester, Massachusetts fire back in 1999 or 2000.

A friend of mine from the NYFD worked with him as a technical adviser on Rescue Me while it was in development the first season and he based a couple of characters on him and his men.

It freaks me out when I watch that show because so many of the names they use are names of guys I know.

779

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:06:13am

re: #772 nyc redneck

I would also put Dennis Miller in that category, he's wonderful.

780

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:06:27am

re: #767 alegrias

Jon Voight meanwhile has gone from "actor" to lizard~ and what an act of courage that takes in the movie business where no diversity of thought is allowed.

Voight is in David Zucker's new movie "An American Carol" which I hope you'll all see & take your family to see.

Voight suggested his daughter "Angie" Angelina Jolie is a lot like Cindy McCain, who just returned from Sudan, in terms of adopting children.

That's certainly open to debate. But Jon Voight ROCKS more than all the vapid addled bellybutton gazers considered "celebrities".

Voight is becoming Reaganesque and I celebrate that.

i love him. check out "runaway train"

781

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:06:39am

782

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:06:58am

re: #769 Ben Hur

Ulpan!

Best is Ulpan Akiva in Netanya.

But if your in Tel Aviv there's a good one on King George Street.

Or at Tel Aviv University.

Just finished 3 months at the T.A. ulpan (Gordon)... I'm feeling WAY overwhelmed. Still can't understand what the hell people are saying. Still can't have a conversation. grrrr.... ani tsricha ode z'man.

783

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:07:00am

re: #779 WriterMom

I would also put Dennis Miller in that category, he's wonderful.

Smart!

784

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:07:06am

re: #748 Occasional Reader

I
could barely get into work today because of the massive anti-war
protest spilling over from the National Mall, with all those Code Pink
people denouncing Russia.

Kidding! Of course.

It only takes a few Code Pink gals to block up traffic.

785

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:07:35am

re: #765 WriterMom

I up-dinged Dirk's down-ding for you.

786

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:07:56am

re: #769 Ben Hur

Ulpan!

Best is Ulpan Akiva in Netanya.

But if your in Tel Aviv there's a good one on King George Street.

Or at Tel Aviv University.

Or demand your Israeli friend's speak Hebrew with you. They have so much patience? That should last about 2 sentences. At least that is how it was with me.

787

jorline Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:08:03am

re: #733 realwest

I'm feeling ok - music does that to me sometimes - but I'm concerned for you my friend - if your doc can't give you an appointment right away, just go there and sit in his office and make him see you (assuming, of course, his office is open). I'm very fucking serious here - do not wait at all!

You're a good friend and I truly appreciate your concern. I don't think I will have a problem getting in. Thank goodness for Advil...LOL.

I think you need to camp out at your dentist office...hell, bring a pillow, sleeping bag and lot of snacks and cold drinks...let them know you're in it for the long haul.

788

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:08:15am

re: #771 realwest

Good morning back atcha! How are you today?

hey {real}
i'm good but tired. i'll be working like a field hand today.
hope you are well.

789

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:08:27am

Good grief.

Does anyone remember the lesbian colleague (NTTAWWT) having an affair with the bearded chick?

She's such a massive bitch...and is on my case about something. OY. How to deal with this politely and kill her with kindness. Have you all ever heard a SNEAR through an e-mail?

790

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:08:42am

re: #754 WriterMom

The best part of the "Asshole" song:

You know what I'm gonna do?
I'm gonna get myself a 1967 Cadilac El Dorado Convertable
Hot pink!
With whale skin hub caps
An all leather cow interior
And big brown baby seal eyes for headlights
YEAH!
And I'm gonna drive around in that baby
At 115 miles per hour
Getting one mile per gallon
Sucking down Quarter Pounder cheeseburgers from McDonalds in the old-fashioned non-biodegradable Styrofoam containers
And when I'm done sucking down those grease-ball burgers
I'm gonna wipe my mouth with the American flag
And then I'm gonna toss the Styrofoam containers right out the side
And there ain't a Goddamn thing anybody can do about it
You know why?
'Cause we got the bombs, that's why!
Two words: Nuclear F**kin' Weapons
Okay!?
Russia, Germany, Romania
They can have all the Democracy they want
They can have a big Democracy cake walk
Right through the middle of Tienemen Square
And it won't make a lick of difference
Because we got the bombs
Okay!?
John Wayne's not dead
He's frozen!
And as soon as we find a cure for cancer We're gonna thaw out "The Duke"
And he's gonna be pretty pissed off
You know why?
Have you ever taken a cold shower?
Well, multiply that by 15 million times
That's how pissed off "The Duke"'s gonna be
I'm gonna get "The Duke"
And John Cassavetes
And Lee Marvin
And Sam Peckinpah
And a case of whiskey
And drive down to Texas
And-

791

looking closely Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:03am

re: #754 WriterMom

The asshole song? Sounds like my kind of tune...linky?

Probably not safe for work, but hilarious, nevertherless.

Denis Leary A-hole song.

792

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:11am

re: #785 Kenneth

DIRK AND HIS DING A LING.

DIRK I SEE YOU

793

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:23am

re: #789 WriterMom

Not with the 'N', no.

794

JammieWearingFool Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:48am

BTW, Leary isn't exactly an arch-conservative, but he sure as hell isn't a moonbat.

795

bosforus Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:48am

re: #707 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Clooney should probably spend some time at Gitmo to more fully understand his role.

796

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:52am

re: #752 opnion Uh, shouldn't that have been directed to jorline at #702?

797

opnion Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:09:59am

re: #784 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Wait wait! Cindy sheehan & Code Pink are going to Denver for the convention.
Wait until Sheehan finds out that they have banned fatty foods.
She is going to be so pissed!

798

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:10:15am

re: #777 ploome hineni

cool

what do you do to bluberries before you freeze them?

just pick, rinse, dry on a towel, then put in baggies and in they go.
make sure to dry them well or you get ice freeze up.
they are nice to have all winter. i even put a few in my dog's food.

799

irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:10:42am

re: #757 jorline

My son who is 14yo has been on Concerta since he was nine. He was diagnosed with CAPD...Central Auditory Processing Disorder. His life is 100% better and more productive since he started taking Concerta.

Has his performance in school improved as well?

800

Dirk Diggler Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:10:47am

Writermom,

Does anyone remember the lesbian colleague (NTTAWWT) having an affair with the bearded chick?

No but please enlighten us. This has Penthouse Forum possibilities.

801

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:11:13am

re: #786 Nevergiveup

Or demand your Israeli friend's speak Hebrew with you. They have so much patience? That should last about 2 sentences. At least that is how it was with me.

Yes. Exactly. I live with two Israelis... they mean well, but it can get very frustrating for both of us. They get frustrated because I'm not fast enough, and I get frustrated because I get irritated at being corrected/laughed at for every single word I saw.

sigh.

After 10 years in Israel, did you become fluent?

802

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:11:29am

re: #782 Ms. Missive

It will take a while.

I knew no Hebrew when I got there.

You'll understand more than you can say at first.

Listen or watch the news at least 1/2 a day.

Watch English TV shows with Hebrew sub-titles - helps with vocab and reading.

Get an Israeli boyfried.

Scratch that. ISraeli guys are....well....after 6 months you probably know. (SORRY WRITER MOM!)

You can even pretend to understand and eventually you will.

Don't let them slip into English if you don't want to. They want to practice their English as much as you want to learn Hebrew.

803

nyc redneck Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:11:33am

i gotta go, they are dragging me out to the barn. i get a special hammer that fits a girl's hand. neat.

804

Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:11:48am

re: #789 WriterMom

Why don't you give her what she wants and sleep with her? There's nothing wrong with a HLE*, and it's not really infidelity anyway.

/channeling liberal morality

*Harmless Lesbian Experiment

805

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:11:55am

re: #798 nyc redneck

just pick, rinse, dry on a towel, then put in baggies and in they go.
make sure to dry them well or you get ice freeze up.
they are nice to have all winter. i even put a few in my dog's food.

I love frozen blueberries in my morning cereal - sometimes the milk will freeze into a shell around the berry, so good!

806

looking closely Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:11:58am

re: #794 JammieWearingFool

BTW, Leary isn't exactly an arch-conservative, but he sure as hell isn't a moonbat.

He *is* from Boston.
By Beantown standards he's a regular wingnut.

807

alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:12:12am

re: #774 laZardo

Give it a few months and he'll be vaporized from the Hollywood scene...

* * *
Hush and don't even suggest that! Jon Voight did a great tv movie as Pope John Paul II. He really gets what it takes to fight totalitarians, and who are the good guys--WE ARE THE GOOD GUYS we've beein waiting for, to coin a stupid phrase.

Clooney has to peddle kitchen tiles for HELLO and OK magazine in Spain with a half Filipina ex wife of Julio Iglesias...

Quien es mas cheesey?

808

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:12:14am

re: #786 Nevergiveup

EXACTLY!

LOL!

809

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:12:37am

re: #791 looking closely

Oh that's wicked. Is he fondling a breast implant? LOLOL

810

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:12:46am

811

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:12:51am

re: #804 Kenneth

Why
don't you give her what she wants and sleep with her? There's nothing
wrong with a HLE*, and it's not really infidelity anyway.

/channeling liberal morality

*Harmless Lesbian Experiment

"Stunt lesbian"

812

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:13:05am

Bombings threaten ceasefire!

Such a headline. It's not just for Palis anymore.

813

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:13:37am

re: #802 Ben Hur

I definitely notice that I can understand more of what's being said than I can speak....

...do you remember how long it took you before you started to just switch to Hebrew sentences?

814

Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:13:45am

re: #801 Ms. Missive

Yes. Exactly. I live with two Israelis... they mean well, but it can get very frustrating for both of us. They get frustrated because I'm not fast enough, and I get frustrated because I get irritated at being corrected/laughed at for every single word I saw.

sigh.

After 10 years in Israel, did you become fluent?

That was Ben Hur. I have been in Israel about 30 times. I basically spoke enough Hebrew to get into trouble but not out of it!

815

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:13:46am

re: #801 Ms. Missive

Yes. Exactly. I live with two Israelis... they mean well, but it can get very frustrating for both of us. They get frustrated because I'm not fast enough, and I get frustrated because I get irritated at being corrected/laughed at for every single word I saw.

sigh.

After 10 years in Israel, did you become fluent?

If that was directed at me, Yes.

Ulpan, Girlfriends, army, university.

816

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:13:56am

re: #807 alegrias

If he isn't going to be vaporized, at least marginalized. I haven't heard from him over on this side of the Pacific Rim since National Treasure II.

817

Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:14:07am

re: #800 Dirk Diggler

Writermom,

No but please enlighten us. This has Penthouse Forum possibilities.

No, it really, really doesn't.

Your Penthouse Forum letter-writing privileges are hereby revoked.

818

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:14:35am

re: #810 cutestguy

I'd put Tom Hanks in the real man category. He may be a Democrat, but he's done a hell of a lot for the Armed Forces.

He produced Apollo 13 & John Adams - that's enough to get him into the Hollywood Good Guy list. Not to mention that the best scene in Forrest Gump is when Medal of Honor winner Gump punched out a dirty hippy.

819

JammieWearingFool Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:14:47am

re: #806 looking closely

He *is* from Boston.
By Beantown standards he's a regular wingnut.

I believe he's from the Worcester area, as are some good Lizards.

820

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:14:59am

re: #786 Nevergiveup

ASHAMED TO BE BRITISH?

I noticed that the "You and Yours" programme on Radio 4 at noon is running a trailer which asks "Are you ashamed to be British?" It asks if Brits deserve their bad reputation when travelling abroad. Wonder if this includes BBC journalists convicted of possessing illegal drugs? Great to see the BBC doing their best to put the great into Britain.

821

gonecamping Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:15:16am

First it was the fake fireworks, now we discover the little girl singing at the opening of the Olympics was lip synching to another singer because the winner of the singing contest for the gig was deemed 'unsuitable for the performance due to her buck teeth'.

It is just my opinion, but I feel that China is pulling a big con job on the world with the whole Olympics theatrics.

I've talked with people that were so awed by the opening ceremony they tell me that China is just trying to show the world that they have changed and have modernized.

The show was pretty impressive, but I still don't get warm and fuzzy feelings from Beijing.

822

David Simon Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:15:21am

re: #810 cutestguy

I'd put Tom Hanks in the real man category. He may be a Democrat, but he's done a hell of a lot for the Armed Forces.

Gary Sinise is tops:

[Link: www.usa-patriotism.com...]

823

JammieWearingFool Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:06am

I really feel blessed today. I got a link from Jonah Goldberg.

Not to mention a double Insta-lanche.

My hamsters just called and asked for OT.

824

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:18am

825

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:28am

826

realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:40am

re: #788 nyc redneck
Working like a field hand?! Doing what?
And I'm doing ok, thanks for asking!
and, just for you: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

827

Golem Akbar Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:49am

Good morning, Lizards. Have they turned off the lights in Georgia (/vague country music reference...)?

828

alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:49am

Hollywood Takes on the Left
David Zucker, the director who brought us 'Airplane!' and 'The Naked Gun,' turns his sights on anti-Americanism.

SNIP
"...An American Carol, is unlike anything that has ever come out of Hollywood. It is a frontal attack on the excesses of the American left from several prominent members of a growing class of Hollywood conservatives. Until now, conservatives in Hollywood have always been too few and too worried about a backlash to do anything serious to challenge the left-wing status quo. ..."

SNIP

[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]

829

ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:53am

830

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:16:57am

re: #813 Ms. Missive

I definitely notice that I can understand more of what's being said than I can speak....

...do you remember how long it took you before you started to just switch to Hebrew sentences?

I don't remember.

It's a confidence thing.

Though some have the Bart Simpson in France happen to them.

You'll dream in Hebrew.

You won't understand, but you'll dream it.

It will happen. Don't worry.

831

christheprofessor Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:17:02am

re: #805 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I love frozen blueberries in my morning cereal - sometimes the milk will freeze into a shell around the berry, so good!

There's a park near where I live that was part of a blueberry farm. The left an acre or two of the blueberry plants intact hidden in some woods (have to walk about 50 yards into the woods to get there). They are untended so they are tall, but they are free for the taking -- damn things are almost the size of grapes. The ground is littered with unharvested blueberries. People go in with buckets and get enough to freeze and use the entire year.

832

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:17:41am

re: #800 Dirk Diggler

DD, I told everyone about this a couple of weeks ago-it's old news, dude. I was walking along and saw a lesbian colleage walking toward me with some slim, goateed dude-who was obviously not her regular "partner" (who she lives with and has a kid with with borrowed sperm from gay friends who live in the US)..anyway, I get a little closer, and see that the slim dude is a chick! More hilariously, I was with my Dad..and the colleague looked WAY embarrased and sped off before I could make any introductions.

ANYWAY. Now this horrendous bitch and cheater is harrassing me about some work stuff.

833

laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:17:44am

re: #818 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They explained what he said during that Million Man March scene when the mike was cut-off on Wikipedia, but that got reverted out. Would you know?

834

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:18:03am

re: #829 ploome hineni

I love Gary Sinise

LT. DAN!

835

looking closely Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:18:14am

re: #809 WriterMom

Oh that's wicked. Is he fondling a breast implant? LOLOL

"Wicked". . .so very New England of you.

But, yup. That's a prosthetic breast implant. (In the opening scene you can see someone pulling a bra off the table to reveal two breast implants).

The video makes the song twice as funny. . .how often can you really say that?

"Two words. . .nuclear F***king weapons"

836

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:18:18am

re: #802 Ben Hur

Don't listen to BEN HUR.

Definitely get the Israeli boyfriend.

837

Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:18:21am

re: #664 realwest

I'm okay, Bud, but its bedtime here in Bangkok and NOW an agency calls me to substitute TOMORROW,

AND they want it at half my hourly minimum... "Sorry, we discussed that..."

/and now they haven't returned the call when I begged them for 2 minutes to close the email to my long-lost elder sister SO THAT I could deal with their requirements in THEIR email...

Ack.

I'll see you next cycle, RW, when we're both in a ~~bitter~~ better mood. :D

838

Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:18:42am

re: #830 Ben Hur

I don't remember.

It's a confidence thing.

Though some have the Bart Simpson in France happen to them.

You'll dream in Hebrew.

You won't understand, but you'll dream it.

It will happen. Don't worry.

ha. Thanks for the heads up! It's nice to hear from people who've gone through the same thing.

How old were you when you came to Israel? Did you come specifically to serve your military duty?

839

BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:18:52am

re: #828 alegrias

The money quote in that article:

"I don't have any desire to be taken seriously. Really, I really don't. But having said that, I really believe this stuff. Why can't I put it out there? And I'm scared to death of Obama. If I didn't do something about it I would feel--My kids would ask: 'What did you do in the war Daddy?'"

"I donated my career to stop this s--."

840

cutestguy[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:04am

841

Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:09am

re: #836 WriterMom

Don't listen to BEN HUR.

Definitely get the Israeli boyfriend.

hahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You caught that, did you?

Uch, they are something else.

I'm sorry but, Love to hate them.

842

WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:17am

re: #804 Kenneth

Kenneth, did you see the Guy Earle sketch, responding to his hecklers?

843

Golem Akbar Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:30am

re: #776 WriterMom

Jon Voigt rocks.

I sort of followed your discussion back a ways. Voigt has made the transition from Hollywood empty-head to a real thinker. Most others haven't. I read somewhere that fame reached by the insecure Hollywood celebs makes them even crazier and less stable, over time. Voigt's story is very rare.

844

JammieWearingFool Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:32am

Indeed, Leary's from Worcester.

On December 3, 1999, six firefighters from Leary's hometown of Worcester were killed in a massive warehouse fire. Among the dead were Leary's cousin Jerry Lucey and his close childhood friend Lt. Tommy Spencer.[3] In response, the comedian founded the Leary Firefighters Foundation. Since its creation in the year 2000, the foundation has distributed over $2.5 million (USD) to fire departments in the Worcester, Boston, and New York City areas for equipment, training materials, new vehicles, and new facilities. Leary won $125,000 for the foundation on the game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire. Leary has close ties with 107.3 WAAF-FM, which in 2000 released the station album "Survive This!" Part of the proceeds from this album were donated to the Leary Firefighters Foundation.
A separate fund run by Leary's foundation, the Fund for New York's Bravest, has distributed over $2 million (USD) to the families of the 343 firemen killed in the September 11, 2001, attacks in addition to providing funding for necessities such as a new mobile command center, first responder training, and a high-rise simulator for the FDNY's training campus. This new fund was established because the families of the Worcester fire did not want to include New York families into the fund. As a result, Leary created a separate fund for New York.

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alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:48am

re: #821 gonecamping

First it was the fake fireworks, now we discover the little girl singing at the opening of the Olympics was lip synching to another singer because the winner of the singing contest for the gig was deemed 'unsuitable for the performance due to her buck teeth'.

It is just my opinion, but I feel that China is pulling a big con job on the world with the whole Olympics theatrics.

I've talked with people that were so awed by the opening ceremony they tell me that China is just trying to show the world that they have changed and have modernized.

The show was pretty impressive, but I still don't get warm and fuzzy feelings from Beijing.

* * *
Awwww, how cute! You're so young you've never heard of the concept of "Potemkin Village"! (Putting lipstick on a communist pig.)

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:53am

re: #811 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL.

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:19:54am

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Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:20:05am

re: #842 WriterMom

No... explain please?

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:20:11am

re: #833 laZardo

They explained what he said during that Million Man March scene when the mike was cut-off on Wikipedia, but that got reverted out. Would you know?

I know Tom Hanks has made some good movies, but he has come out strongly for Obama. I just can't abide that. It makes me questions his intellect and sanity. I will not be able to watch his movies anymore. But that is just me.

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:20:24am

re: #838 Ms. Missive

Came when I was 22.

Aliya 7 months later.

I did one year of service (it's pro-rated) and annual reserve duty.

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:20:59am

re: #843 Golem Akbar

Hollywood just keeps giving the crazy...

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:21:03am

re: #850 Ben Hur

Came when I was 22.

Aliya 7 months later.

I did one year of service (it's pro-rated) and annual reserve duty.

Pro-rated? Pro-rated from what?

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:21:16am

re: #847 ploome hineni

are you serious?

and oral sex is not sex?

how about with a dog?

Allergic.
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To peanut butter.

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alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:21:41am

re: #816 laZardo

If he isn't going to be vaporized, at least marginalized. I haven't heard from him over on this side of the Pacific Rim since National Treasure II.

* * *
To see Jon Voight apart from movies, you'd have to follow politics!
Jon Voight supported Rudy Giuliani in the primaries, until Rudy bombed like a bad lefty movie.

Now Voight supports John McCain's candidacy.

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:21:44am

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:22:07am

re: #843 Golem Akbar

I
sort of followed your discussion back a ways. Voigt has made the
transition from Hollywood empty-head to a real thinker. Most others
haven't. I read somewhere that fame reached by the insecure Hollywood
celebs makes them even crazier and less stable, over time. Voigt's
story is very rare.

"We need more special days... like Jon Voight Day!"
/George Costanza

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:22:09am

re: #828 alegrias

I like what's on the second page...

This friend recommended Zucker contact Myrna Sokoloff, a former paid staffer for [Senator Barbara] Boxer, who had recently completed a similar ideological journey. In the 1980s and 1990s, Sokoloff had worked for several stars of the Democratic party's left wing. She served on the campaign staff of Mark Green, a close associate of Ralph Nader, when he ran for Senate in New York against Al D'Amato. She worked for Jerry Brown's 1992 presidential campaign and in 1998 was a fundraiser for Barbara Boxer's reelection effort. Sokoloff had begun to sour on the Democratic party and the left generally during the impeachment of Bill Clinton. "As a feminist, I was outraged," she recalls. "If he had been a Republican president we would have demanded his resignation and marched on the White House." When she made this point to her Democratic friends, she says, they told her to keep quiet.

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:22:28am

re: #848 Kenneth

I won't post it here. But it's kind of the response that I feel like sharing with my colleague. It was a crude and disgusting and rude response to his lesbian hecklers (who later assaulted him).

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David Simon Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:22:38am

re: #829 ploome hineni

I love Gary Sinise

He cut his teeth at Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago (as did another fine actor and patriot, John Malkovich). He's not only a great actor, he's a great American.

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:22:41am

re: #837 Karridine Take care my friend! See ya later!

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #852 Ms. Missive

Pro-rated? Pro-rated from what?

If you make Aliya at the age of 18-19, you do full 3 years.

20-21, two years.

22-23, one year.

24+, you do basic training then reserve duty.

I wanted to do at least one full year.

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:23:28am

re: #855 ploome hineni

I've got the e-mails...it's quite widely known that she's a bitch, but yes-I'm documenting everything.

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Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:23:30am

re: #847 ploome hineni

ummm... you know I'm joking right?

(And I'm just trying to get WriterMom's goat....)

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:23:53am

re: #863 Kenneth

ummm... you know I'm joking right?

(And I'm just trying to get WriterMom's goat....)

or her dog.

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Ben Hur Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:24:06am

BRB

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:24:12am

NO DOGS NO GOATS.

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David Simon Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:24:34am

re: #840 cutestguy

Wasn't Gary Sinise also in The Green Mile with Tom?

Yes. Here's his bio:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

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ploome hineni[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:24:50am

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Ms. Missive Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:24:59am

re: #861 Ben Hur

If you make Aliya at the age of 18-19, you do full 3 years.

20-21, two years.

22-23, one year.

24+, you do basic training then reserve duty.

I wanted to do at least one full year.

really! I had no idea.

Either way, toda lashem medaber im ohti!

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jorline Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:25:12am

re: #799 irish rose

Has his performance in school improved as well?

Hell yes!

CAPD is not a hyperactive disorder, it's all about processing information. We tried everything to keep him off any meds...this included a $10,000 sound system for his classroom to help him concentrate on the teacher...to make the learning process more one on one.
He was diagnosed by four different doctors and clinics throughout the US...including the top US specialist in NC. Every one of the visits confirmed CAPD. He was on Concerta 18mg until last year now he's on 27gm...still a low dosage.

Since he has been on Concerta he is a A/B student, and was elected President of his Middle School Student Council last Friday. He excels in all sports, captain of his basketball team and baseball team, his confidence level has never been higher. During the summer months he does not take his medication.

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irish rose Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:25:22am

Have a good morning folks, bbl.

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jcm Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:25:23am

Morning all......

Moonbats on the loose in WA State, moonbat is the the Official state critter.

5 Ground Zero Activists Arrested Outside Naval Base

BANGOR, Wash. -- Five peace activists have been arrested at a nuclear weapons protest staged outside Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor. The five were accused of failing to obey a law enforcement officer after they tried to display a banner from an overpass.

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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:25:26am

re: #844 JammieWearingFool

Indeed, Leary's from Worcester.

Firefighters are okay I guess, but the real heroes are people like Michael Moore who bravely take on Bush neo-fascism.

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Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:25:40am

re: #858 WriterMom

Ah yes, I recall hearing about it. Have you considered blackmailing her about her affair with Goatee Girl?

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realwest Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:26:10am

re: #844 JammieWearingFool Morning Jammie! Thanks for that info on Leary - I didn't know any of that before - he must be genuine - he doesn't make a big deal out of his charitable efforts.
Someone I can respect.

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christheprofessor Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:27:19am

re: #855 ploome hineni

tell her to put it in writing, or

you write up everything she tell you, and send to her for her confirmation

bury her in paper

And it provides a paper trail if she veers off into harassment of some sort...

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alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:27:25am

re: #843 Golem Akbar

I sort of followed your discussion back a ways. Voigt has made the transition from Hollywood empty-head to a real thinker. Most others haven't. I read somewhere that fame reached by the insecure Hollywood celebs makes them even crazier and less stable, over time. Voigt's story is very rare.

* * *
There ARE Hollywood conservatives and they call themselves FRIENDS OF ABE (Lincoln).

See my post above (#828) about Hollywood 9/11 conservatives and their new movie, which VIVENDI the french company is sponsoring.

An American Carol, is like TEAM AMERICA: World Police without puppets. But I haven't seen it yet.

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Nevergiveup Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:27:26am

re: #872 jcm

Morning all......

Moonbats on the loose in WA State, moonbat is the the Official state critter.

5 Ground Zero Activists Arrested Outside Naval Base

I saw 2 woodchucks that got run over in Fort Dix here in NJ a few weeks ago. But they might have been moonbats?

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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:27:26am

re: #845 alegrias

* * *
Awwww, how cute! You're so young you've never heard of the concept of "Potemkin Village"! (Putting lipstick on a communist pig.)

Of course, the original Potemkin village was Tsarist, not communist.

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Karridine Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:28:08am

re: #746 irish rose

And what are you talking about when you refer to a "concerta deficiency? There is no such thing

Exactly.

And I agree with virtually everything that you assert after that. Respectfully, Ma'am.

/the Concerta modifies his symptoms so that he has most of the aspects of normalcy. i understand, without believing the medication companies 'evil incarnate'...

I really must go, its late here. I am GLAD that we could ask some questions about it, but I'm not asking the right questions. Mea Culpa

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Dustoff-507 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:28:44am

re: #873 Occasional Reader
Firefighters are okay I guess, but the real heroes are people like Michael Moore who bravely take on Bush neo-fascism.

HEY! 0-:

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David Simon Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:28:55am

re: #866 WriterMom

NO DOGS NO GOATS.

Agreed. That even grosses me out.

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laZardo Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:29:17am

re: #854 alegrias

Like I said, when it comes to Hollywood, all we get 'round here is Hollywood-Hollywood. One celebrity's a voice in the dark.

As for that American Carol movie, if it makes it through production, then the reviews will get it before it hits the cinema. I can guess "jingoistic" and "washed-up director" could be in the reviews. Trey Parker & Matt Stone's involvement (like in BASEketball) could really help though.

re: #822 David Simon

I prefer Dave Caruso as my CSI chief. YYYYEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH~

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Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:29:32am

re: #867 David Simon

On CSI: NY, the Gary Sinese character is a former Marine turned cop. On the wall in his office is a framed photograph of Ronald Reagan. When I saw that, I knew Sinese wasn't your typical Hollywood moonbat.

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Golem Akbar Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:29:44am

re: #856 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

"We need more special days... like Jon Voight Day!"
/George Costanza

I also read somewhere that Clint Eastwood is a McCain supporter!

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FrogMarch Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:30:01am

Moscow Rules

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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:30:08am

re: #881 Dustoff-507

Firefighters are okay I guess, but the real heroes are people like Michael Moore who bravely take on Bush neo-fascism.

HEY! 0-:

Admit it, Dustoff; you bow your head in awestruck humility before Michael Moore's undaunted courage, don't you?

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jcm Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:30:19am

re: #878 Nevergiveup

I saw 2 woodchucks that got run over in Fort Dix here in NJ a few weeks ago. But they might have been moonbats?

The protests at Bangor have been going on for years. It's the West Coast SSBN Ohio base. So everyone knows nucs are there. They've allowed the protesters to get away with alot of crap, woodchucking a couple on the main road might not be a bad idea.......

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:30:39am

re: #874 Kenneth

Well, I have that in the back of my head all the time, but I think the main thing is to get her off my case.

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taxfreekiller[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:30:47am

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:31:07am

re: #873 Occasional Reader

Firefighters are okay I guess, but the real heroes are people like Michael Moore who bravely take on Bush neo-fascism.

I forget what movie or TV show I saw this in, but a police officer was ragging on firefighters - "you call yourselves "the bravest?" A fire won't fire a lawsuit against you when you put it out!"

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:31:38am

re: #876 christheprofessor

Yes, I think she's just ANOTHER bully so I am just thinking of how to word my response. This has happened to me a few times, so I'm not too worried.

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alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:31:39am

re: #857 laZardo

I like what's on the second page...

* * *
Speaking of dem hypocrisy, isn't it rich, the Clinton camp calling Edwards a swine for covering up his affair and ruining Hillary's shot at number 1 or 2 in Iowa during the dem primaries!

Hillary's people suggest had Edwards come clean about his infidelity, Hillary might be the Dem nominee.

Honesty is the best policy.

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:32:21am

re: #882 David Simon

David, David...LOL. Imagine grossing US out?

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BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:32:25am

re: #882 David Simon

re: #866 WriterMom

NO DOGS NO GOATS.

Agreed. That even grosses me out.

Don't be so suburban.
/

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Dustoff-507 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:32:25am

re: #887 Occasional Reader

DAMN you found it, didn't you..

I bet Realwest told ya..

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jcm Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:32:55am

re: #887 Occasional Reader

Admit it, Dustoff; you bow your head in awestruck humility before Michael Moore's undaunted courage, don't you?

*choke*
*snort*
*spew*

Now I've got a mess to clean up, hot pocket and coffee everywhere!

You are truly an evil man OR!
;-)

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buzzsawmonkey[deleted] Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:33:21am

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alegrias Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:33:38am

re: #879 Occasional Reader

Of course, the original Potemkin village was Tsarist, not communist.

* * *
Yes, it's true. Can you ever take the royal "we" out of a dictatorship? Can you take the Tzar out of totalitarian?

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Kenneth Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:33:42am

Breaking: ABC News interview with John (he could have been the Vice-President!) Edwards

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WriterMom Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:33:47am

re: #897 jcm

The only undaunted thing about Michael Moore is his waistline.

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Dustoff-507 Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:33:53am

re: #891 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Want to bet... he's never worked on someone! LOL

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christheprofessor Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:34:00am

re: #892 WriterMom

Yes, I think she's just ANOTHER bully so I am just thinking of how to word my response. This has happened to me a few times, so I'm not too worried.

I would politely rebut whatever she is complaining about, with whatever documentation is necessary. Then, perhaps, ask her to stop wasting your time, as you've got work to do.

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Occasional Reader Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:34:04am