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Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:38:11 pm PDT

Should one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?

— Alexander Solzhenitsyn

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1 trailortrash  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:39:29pm

zoneing out, have a good night people :)

2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:39:47pm

Claimed for Kragaristan!

3 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:40:29pm

Ouch! I don't like that quote. Erase, erase, erase! Boy that pulls you up short and makes you question American leadership today, doesn't it?

4 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:40:48pm

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:41:48pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

Those were the Spartans.

6 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:42:49pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay, but still it applies to the Romans as well.

/so many facts and factoids running in my head, I get a few scrambled occasionally.

7 Shug  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:44:01pm

I think there is plenty of courage in America


and if Obama wins, we'll need all of it

8 looking closely  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:44:28pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

It was the ancient Greeks who used that refrain.

It was because in standard rank formation, a soldier's shield was used to protect the soldier NEXT to them. For that reason, losing your shield was letting your team down, and was considered highly dishonorable.

9 varmint  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:45:39pm

solzhenitsyn was on a train, heading from one siberian hell to another. he sat next to an old woman who kept repeating to herself...

"people have forgotten god, that is why all of this has happened."

he wrote that in the following 40 years of research and study, he never found a better explanation than that.

10 lefty201  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:45:53pm

Welcome here adventurous stranger
Ring the bell and bide the danger
or wonder till it drives you mad
what would have happened if you had

11 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:46:37pm

re: #7 Shug

I think there is plenty of courage in America


and if Obama wins, we'll need all of it

Except for those who think that "courage" means voting for a symbol, rather than a leader.

Sure would like to have a debate TODAY between BHO and McC vis-a-vis Russia/Georgia.

12 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:46:41pm

re: #3 Russkilitlover

Why should we look at it solely from the viewpoint of "leadership"?

13 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:47:05pm

re: #5 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.

14 Shug  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #11 Russkilitlover

Except for those who think that "courage" means voting for a symbol, rather than a leader.

Sure would like to have a debate TODAY between BHO and McC vis-a-vis Russia/Georgia.

Obama thinks the Russians are in Atlanta

15 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:47:33pm

Troglodyte

16 rawmuse  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:23pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout
(sung rhythmically)
"gotta find a woman! gotta find a woman! gotta find a woman! gotta find a woman!"

17 looking closely  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:33pm

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.


The Spartans were famous for their military efficiency. In fact, the very word, "spartan" used as an adjective is synonymous with frugality and self-denial.

The same was true about Spartan wit, which characteristicly employed a terseness with words.

18 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:37pm

re: #12 RedPepper

Why should we look at it solely from the viewpoint of "leadership"?

What viewpoint would you look at it through? (Oooh, crappy grammar, but it's late and I'm tiredP).

Individual courage is not encouraged nor acknowledged. Community courage is not reported on or if it is, it is mocked. Our leadership defines us. Our three branches of government make a stand for all of us. You can say "well, I have courage," but how is that conveyed as NATIONAL courage? The impression we are giving now is that with the exit of our current administration, we will be weak and vulnerable. American courage is being tested by Russia today. Do we have an answer? Doesn't look like it, individual blustering commentary, notwithstanding.

19 ggt  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:51:40pm

Another new thread? My knees can't take the stress this late.

Night all!

weet dreams!

20 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:53:00pm

re: #14 Shug

BHO thinks Russians are people who hurry too much! He's got his 300 advisors throwing a whole bunch of crap at his brain right now. It will be interesting to see what his grey matter can process and articulate.

21 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:53:26pm

re: #8 looking closely

It was because in standard rank formation, a soldier's shield was used to protect the soldier NEXT to them. For that reason, losing your shield was letting your team down, and was considered highly dishonorable.

I am no historian, nor a scholar, but it was my understanding that coming home without your shield meant that you had dropped it in order to more effectively run away from the battle.

22 Robert O.  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:54:21pm

On a day full of bad news in Georgia, here's a brightener:

Michael Phelps has now won three Golds in 2008, equally the all-time record of nine Olympic Gold medals.

23 gearhead  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:58:44pm

Obama's 300
Leonidas' 300
...ancient times...
...decline in courage...

There's a theme in here somewhere.

24 A Kiwi Infidel  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 9:58:55pm

It is 5.00pm so from me, here in NZ, it is "good-day and good-night to you all"

25 jaunte  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:00:41pm

Goodnight all.
"Courage is reckoned the greatest of all virtues; because, unless a man has that virtue, he has no security for preserving any other." ~Samuel Johnson

26 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:00:50pm

looking closely,

The Spartans were famous for their military efficiency. In fact, the very word, "spartan" used as an adjective is synonymous with frugality and self-denial.

The same was true about Spartan wit, which characteristicly employed a terseness with words.

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

27 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:02:41pm

re: #25 jaunte

Goodnight all.
"Courage is reckoned the greatest of all virtues; because, unless a man has that virtue, he has no security for preserving any other." ~Samuel Johnson

I like the quote from the other day.....something along the lines of adversity brings out any man's character, but it's power that really tests that character. Wow, oh wow. Is that ever true!

28 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:02:44pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

got an upding on account of being so unPC

lol

29 JeremyR  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:03:42pm

re: #9 varmint

A high ranking Russian General was riding a train through the Urals. In the compartment with him rode a lowly Polish private, a beautiful young lady, and an old woman well past her years and devoid of any resemblence of beauty.
The train entered a tunnel and all was black. The darkness was pierced by the sound of a kiss, followed by a hearty smack.
When the train emerged from the tunnel, the general sported a fresh shinner.
The general thought to himself "that no good private, he kisses the girl, and I get slapped."
The old woman thinks, "Good for that young lass, not allowing advances on her like that."
The young lady thinks, "why did the general kiss the old woman instead of me?"
The polish private thinks, "Man oh man am I smart. I kiss the back of my hand, punch a general, and no one will ever know."

30 Steffan  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:04:32pm

Heh. This could be fun to watch:

Evidence accumulates favoring the possibility of a Hillary coup at the Denver convention, and it is being noticed among the sharper observers of politics.

From within the Hillary camp comes a far-from-innocent observation by her former communications director, Howard Wolfson. Brian Ross and Kaje Tapper of ABC News report:

Sen. Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic presidential nominee if John Edwards had been caught in his lie about an extramarital affair and forced out of the race last year, insists a top Clinton campaign aide, making a charge that could exacerbate previously existing tensions between the camps of Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

"I believe we would have won Iowa, and Clinton today would therefore have been the nominee," former Clinton Communications Director Howard Wolfson told ABC News.com.


Once upon a time, Hillary dismissed this sort of speculation with the phrase,. "shoulda, coulda, woulda...." But if anyone thinks Wolfson is saying this all on his own, for no particular reason, they ought to read up on the history of the Clinton Machine.

There's a lot more where that came from. Go read the whole thing.

31 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:05:10pm

re: #18 Russkilitlover

From what viewpoint would you look at it through ? (My attempt ...)

Well, by way of an answer, here is a quote - usually attributed (apparently, incorrectly) to Sir Winston Churchill :

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” ~ (not) Winston Churchill

[ According to The Churchill Centre ( [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...] ) , Churchill never said this : “We base this on careful research in the canon of fifty million words by and about Churchill, including all of his books, articles, speeches and papers.” ]

Oh, well. It's still a not-completely-bogus way to look at it, even if Winston didn't say it ...

32 RememberSekhmet?  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:07:13pm

must...sleep...soon

Weet dreams

33 looking closely  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:08:09pm

re: #21 Slumbering Behemoth

I am no historian, nor a scholar, but it was my understanding that coming home without your shield meant that you had dropped it in order to more effectively run away from the battle.


Absolutely, that too.

The point is, though, that because of the widespread use of the phalanx formation, the shield took on special significance for the Ancient Greeks, and losing it, particular stigma. If you came back without your helmet, greaves, or spear, that wasn't so dishonorable.

According to Plutarch, when asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king Demaratos (510-491 BC) is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all."

Hence the "With it, or on it" phrase used (in characteristic terse fashion) by the Spartans.

34 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:08:45pm

re: #29 JeremyR

LOL! Read Checkhov's "The Kiss" for a truly poignant view of strangers in the dark.

35 Palandine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:09:52pm

re: #30 Steffan

Ooh, remind me to pop some corn at the end of the month.
/this is gonna be gooooood

36 looking closely  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:09:52pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

looking closely,

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

It was a butch sort of gay, though.

Not like this:

37 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:10:39pm

re: #27 Russkilitlover

This one, you mean?

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”

~ Francois, Duc de La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)

[ Also attributed to Abraham Lincoln ; Lincoln was fond of quotes, & mentions reading many of them in his youth ]

38 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:12:38pm

re: #31 RedPepper

First of all, thanks for the grammar correction! After that, I'm not sure I GET your post?

Churchill said a lot and a lot has been attributed to Churchill, but we can't get bogged down by how many Reagan/Churchill aphorisms can dance on the head of a pin, to deal with today's crises. We need leadership and I don't see any, even though we are facing adversities we could not have dreamed of a decade ago.....

39 JeremyR  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:13:19pm

re: #34 Russkilitlover

LOL! Read Checkhov's "The Kiss" for a truly poignant view of strangers in the dark.

thanks

40 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:14:30pm

re: #37 RedPepper

This one, you mean?

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power.”

~ Francois, Duc de La Rochefoucauld (1613-1680)

[ Also attributed to Abraham Lincoln ; Lincoln was fond of quotes, & mentions reading many of them in his youth ]

That's the one! It works on so many levels. I see global evidence, and I've seen microcosm evidence in the workplace. Sometimes the French can be perceptive.

41 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:17:16pm

re: #39 JeremyR

And if you want to cry, try Checkhov's "Grief." So amazingly touching that you will marvel at the literature, while at the same time reaching for a tissue.....

42 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:21:11pm

re: #15 Killgore Trout
Ah, here you are!

We were talking some about James Taylor and I don't know why - although I think it was cause someone mentioned Roy Orbison or he just flitted across my mind, but he wrote and performed a song called "Crying" and when there was a tribute to Roy by a wide variety of artists, K.D. Lang sang the BEST version of that song I've EVER heard - her range, intonation.........her emotion was just incredible.
And just for you, my friend, I present it to you for your enjoyment: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

43 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:21:16pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

Don't kid yourself, the Celts were gay too.

/heh

44 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:22:22pm

#22 Robert

It was tremendous. I was so delighted at the results of the swimming competition this evening. Coughlin, Phelps, Piersal all kicked butt. The gymnastics team winning bronze, after so many injuries is a testament to the American spirit.

45 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:24:43pm

re: #38 Russkilitlover

Courage is an important quality, and God knows we need leaders who have it, and can inspire it in others ; but "courage" and "leadership", although they are related, are independent concepts ... which is part of what I was trying to say.

Don't want to keep throwing quote after quote at you, but this one is a fave of mine, on the topic of leadership :

“Of the greatest leaders, when their work is done, the people say: we have done this all ourselves.” ~ Lao Tzu

46 Gearhead  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:25:07pm

re: #43 Slumbering Behemoth

Don't kid yourself, the Celts were gay too.

/heh

Blue makeup. Just sayin'.

47 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:25:23pm

re: #4 BlueCanuck

In the ancient times of Rome the mothers would say to their sons "come back with your shield or on it." When that tradition declined, so did Rome.

/forget where I read that nugget.

I read it in The Notebooks of Lazarus Long.

48 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:26:21pm

re: #44 St. Pancake

Howdy, good to see you again. My fuzzies are doing well and I hope yours are too. I haven't moved out to the coast yet but I'm planning a trip to Africa next month. Keep in touch.

49 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:15pm

Howdy!
How I miss that!
Woohoo

Where in Africa? I can maybe give hints, depending on where you are going.

50 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:23pm

re: #42 realwest

Roy rules!

51 Ms. Missive  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:24pm

Morning...er... evening lizards/lizardettes.

/waves

52 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:27:29pm

Just adore those fuzzies!

53 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:01pm

re: #42 realwest

Beautiful. Beautiful. Beautiful.

THANKS!

54 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:06pm

Spartans said that, by the way

"come back with your shield or on it."

55 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:45pm

re: #20 Russkilitlover

BHO thinks Russians are people who hurry too much! He's got his 300 advisors throwing a whole bunch of crap at his brain right now. It will be interesting to see what his grey matter can process and articulate.

Can he not see for himself? Can he not not discern truth from falsehood?

Oh... if he could discern truth from falsehood he wouldn't be a Democrat.

56 esch  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:28:46pm

re: #47 The Other Les

Yep. Although it's not an exact quote.

57 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:03pm

Babies for Edwards

/get 'em while they last, sperm quantities limited!

58 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:28pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Howdy, good to see you again. My fuzzies are doing well and I hope yours are too. I haven't moved out to the coast yet but I'm planning a trip to Africa next month. Keep in touch.

Whoa... that link woke me up! I haope I don't have nightmares. What was that all about?

59 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:41pm

re: #49 St. Pancake

Mauritius. It's east of Madagascar: large hindu population and I'm hoping to eat a lot of curried fish.

60 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:29:52pm

Hey Killian! Long time!

Loca Mama has almost disappeared from YouTube!

61 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:12pm

re: #45 RedPepper

Oooooh! I like that one. I'll definitely remember it. Thank you!

62 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:29pm

re: #47 The Other Les

Thanks, and that explains why I remember it wrong. :)

/Now that the memory has been jogged RAH said Romans, but everyone else has corrected me. Thanks a lot for the info.

63 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:35pm

Neighbors of mine did the Peace Corps thing there.

You will love it!

What made you decide to go there?

Who is taking care of the baby?

64 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:38pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

looking closely,

They were all gay. The Celts were the greatest warriors of the ancient world.

A Roman Legion beats a mob of warriors every time.

(Unless the Roman general is an idiot.)

65 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:30:53pm

re: #58 Walter L. Newton

It was a favorite link around here when LGF was considered a "fascist" right wing blog.

66 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:31:13pm

Walter

That is our thing-Troutster and I......

67 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:31:21pm

re: #46 Gearhead

Blue makeup. Just sayin'.

A practice revived by "easy" stoner chicks in the '80s. You might be on to something, you should apply for a grant.

68 Dan G.  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:31:31pm

re: #26 Dirk Diggler

Remind me, who wore skirts?

69 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:32:07pm

re: #63 St. Pancake

St. Pancake! Wow. I haven't seen your name here for ages! So glad to see it again!

70 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:32:38pm

re: #63 St. Pancake

My mom is on the way back from Australia on her way to South Africa. I thought it would be a good idea to meet up with her and hang out for a few weeks.

71 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:32:46pm

I don't know what this means, but we just had our 5th road death on Denver Metro highways today. That must be some sort of record for a city of only 1 million people.

Gee, the're really trying to clean out the gene pool before the summer ends.

Is it me, or has drivers over the years become more self-absorbed, acting like there is no one else on the road but them?

72 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:32:51pm

re: #48 Killgore Trout
Hello! Um, didja by any chance see my #42 and the musical link I left for you?

73 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:33:21pm

re: #30 Steffan

Heh. This could be fun to watch:

There's a lot more where that came from. Go read the whole thing.

This is a surprise?

When POWER IS LIFE there is no giving up.

Ever.

74 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:33:23pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

It was a favorite link around here when LGF was considered a "fascist" right wing blog.

We're not? Gee, do I have to tear up my membership card?

75 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:33:57pm

re: #30 Steffan

Heh. This could be fun to watch:

There's a lot more where that came from. Go read the whole thing.

As much as I'd love to see a total meltdown in Denver and a disgraced Obama slinking away with his supporters threatening riots..... I'd much rather see him lose in November.

76 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:34:28pm

re: #72 realwest

See #50: Roy Rules!

77 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:34:35pm

re: #63 St. Pancake
Hey there {St. Pancake}! Wow, great to see you out here tonight! How are you doing?

78 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:34:35pm

69 katemaclaren

Long time, been doing lurking :)

Glad to "see" you"

Trout
Sounds like a plan. Take many pictures, and have fun!

79 Syrah  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:34:49pm

I have found through personal experience that you will inspire courage in others when they find it in you.

If no one around you will stand and lead, then stand and lead.

Courage is contagious.

.
.
.

Good night all.

80 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:35:00pm

"waving at Real"
Great to see you, dear!

HOW are you?

81 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:35:50pm

79 Syrah

Night to you!

82 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:36:10pm

re: #78 St. Pancake

69 katemaclaren

Long time, been doing lurking :)

Glad to "see" you"

Trout
Sounds like a plan. Take many pictures, and have fun!

Me, too. Things got a little too weird for any comments that I could come up with.

83 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:36:55pm

I have missed out on a great deal. I see where many are undergoing misfortunes.

Yikes!

84 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:37:10pm

re: #75 Wendya

As much as I'd love to see a total meltdown in Denver and a disgraced Obama slinking away with his supporters threatening riots..... I'd much rather see him lose in November.

I'm looking forward to a meltdown. I live about 12 miles west of downtown, and I'm going to set out here in the foothills and watch and listen to the circus on the TV and radio.

Although I do have a doctors appointment downtown on Aug. 25th and 26th, but the hospital is just right off the highway and both appointments are in the morning, so I should be out of Dodge before the days riots get started.

Walter in Golden, Co.

85 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:37:31pm

..and YOU Realwest. I feel better seeing some familiar ...er..faces. Glad to be on this threat for 3 more minutes before I have to hit the EST hay.

86 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:37:42pm

re: #76 Killgore Trout So he does - but I have to be honest with you my friend, her version of "Cryin" blew Roy's shoes off - seriously, I was fortunate to get custody of that home made video tape after the divorce and, aside from the standing ovations she received, Roy went over and gave her a long (and well returned, I might add) hug, and Roy was crying tears over how beautiful her rendition of his song was!

87 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:37:43pm

re: #71 Walter L. Newton

Is it me, or has drivers over the years become more self-absorbed, acting like there is no one else on the road but them?

It's not just drivers.

88 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:37:47pm

Hey Realwest! {}

How's the tooth?

89 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:38:30pm

Ok, Who else sang "Cryin"?

90 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:38:33pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I'm looking forward to a meltdown. I live about 12 miles west of downtown, and I'm going to set out here in the foothills and watch and listen to the circus on the TV and radio.

Although I do have a doctors appointment downtown on Aug. 25th and 26th, but the hospital is just right off the highway and both appointments are in the morning, so I should be out of Dodge before the days riots get started.

Walter in Golden, Co.

...or...wouldn't it be funny...if HILLARY gets nominated?! Oh, I will be very cheered up.

91 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:38:58pm

re: #89 St. Pancake

Ok, Who else sang "Cryin"?

Roy Orbison?

92 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:39:20pm

re: #86 realwest

So, he was.....cry..yay..yay...yay..ing? Very cool. That was truly a fabulous rendition.

93 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:39:26pm

Oops. I can't keep up with Double Dutch.

94 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:39:39pm

re: #89 St. Pancake

Ok, Who else sang "Cryin"?

Patsy Cline?

95 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:39:40pm

I did remember Elvis singing it once.

96 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:39:55pm
A Roman Legion beats a mob of warriors every time.

(Unless the Roman general is an idiot.)

It was the Celts who convinced the Romans to change their tactics. They kept getting their asses handed to them.

Remind me, who wore skirts?

Woads didn't wear anything at all. They charged into battle with their "How do you do's" flapping in the breeze.

97 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:40:04pm

I know about Roy.

Had no clue anyone else could possibly sing that classic

98 Racer X  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:41:02pm

re: #89 St. Pancake

Ok, Who else sang "Cryin"?

Willie Nelson?

99 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:41:12pm

re: #85 katemaclaren
Hey there! By gosh, some really good old timers, uh, I mean good folks who've been registered on LGF for years are back out tonight! What a treat!
How are you doing?

100 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:41:28pm

Lol, I was wondering as Real mentioned it.

Still waiting for his response

101 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:41:48pm

re: #96 Dirk Diggler

Well, Dirk. All my ancestors wore kilts.

102 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:42:23pm

re: #90 katemaclaren

...or...wouldn't it be funny...if HILLARY gets nominated?! Oh, I will be very cheered up.

You know, at first, there were articles in the paper every day about the city and the convention. And then when people started to discover that our mayor and the convention commitees were screwing all this up big time, now I see very little press coverage.

If the protestors don't give in and hold back, I'm telling you, all hell is going to break loose and the city will not be able to handle it properly.

103 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:42:33pm

Thanks for that correction...old timer, indeed!

104 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:42:47pm

Oh Jeez, check YouTube. Everyone has a version of it.

105 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:42:49pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

I'm looking forward to a meltdown. I live about 12 miles west of downtown, and I'm going to set out here in the foothills and watch and listen to the circus on the TV and radio.

Although I do have a doctors appointment downtown on Aug. 25th and 26th, but the hospital is just right off the highway and both appointments are in the morning, so I should be out of Dodge before the days riots get started.

Walter in Golden, Co.

I'm about 5 hours south of Denver. My friends back east keep asking if I'm going to drive up for the convention.

Not even if they paid me.

106 Shug  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:43:09pm

re: #89 St. Pancake

Ok, Who else sang "Cryin"?

George Voinovich

107 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:43:27pm

re: #79 Syrah


I have found through personal experience that you will inspire courage in others when they find it in you.

If no one around you will stand and lead, then stand and lead.

Courage is contagious.

WORD! Don't wait for it to happen, make it happen.

108 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:43:58pm

I have been feeling like there has been a rain of pots and pans and the kitchen sink being hurled around at some of the threads for the past few months. I'm ducking and wondering--where is the rational discourse, here? ...or just the silly drinking threads...nummmy.

109 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:44:11pm

Great easy summer salad

Wash, dry one cup blueberries

radicchio-place on plate
One peach-halved, slice or do whatever you like to do.
Cucumber, slice however you like.

Blend 6 oz. Lemon yogurt with blueberries-spread on lettuce, peach, cukes.

Voila

Very simple, nice.

Cooking hour from St. Pancake

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:44:13pm

re: #105 Wendya

I'm about 5 hours south of Denver. My friends back east keep asking if I'm going to drive up for the convention.

Not even if they paid me.

Where are you? Trinidad.

111 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:44:33pm

re: #80 St. Pancake
Well I COULD say I asked you first but it's too late for that - I gotta get some sleep soon - but I'm sorta doing ok - still holding my own against the cancer, but it's gotten a bit more aggressive, but otherwise I'm doing ok!
NOW, HOW ARE YOU DOING?! LOL!

112 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:45:05pm

108 katemaclaren

I know...I know

How is Miguel?

113 Killian Bundy  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:45:10pm

Olmert gives Abbas plan for Israeli pullout from 93% of West Bank

Prime Minister Ehud Olmert has presented Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas with a detailed proposal for an agreement in principle on borders, refugees and security arrangements between Israel and a future Palestinian state.

Olmert, who met with Abbas this week, feels there is time to reach an agreement during his remaining time in office. He is now awaiting a decision from the Palestinians.

The centerpiece of Olmert's proposal is the suggested permanent border, which would be based on an Israeli withdrawal from most of the West Bank. In return for the land retained by Israel in the West Bank, the Palestinians would receive alternative land in the Negev, adjacent to the Gaza Strip. The Palestinians would also enjoy free passage between Gaza and the West Bank without any security checks, the proposal says.

/nothing good can come of this

114 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:45:41pm

Real
Get your rest!

We can talk later....
Go to bed!

115 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:45:56pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Where are you? Trinidad.

lol

116 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:46:26pm

I am fine......
Been reading like a maniac, cooking, helping new teachers..playing trivia games.....watching Olympics

117 Zimriel  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:46:36pm

That was pretty much how Rome won the First Punic War. They kept losing, and losing, and losing. But they kept buggering on regardless. Eventually the Carthaginians just got bored and said, "okay, okay! you can have Sicily, and we'll throw in Sardinia if you just shaddap".

118 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:47:35pm

re: #111 realwest

Well I COULD say I asked you first but it's too late for that - I gotta get some sleep soon - but I'm sorta doing ok - still holding my own against the cancer, but it's gotten a bit more aggressive, but otherwise I'm doing ok!
NOW, HOW ARE YOU DOING?! LOL!

Oh dear. Well, my friend. I can say that I got over that when a doc told me I probably wouldn't last six months. I did--as a matter of fact, that was 18 years ago. Don't give up.

119 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:48:12pm

re: #91 katemaclaren
Yup, he wrote it and sang it - but contrary to popular beleif out here (glares over at Salem) only two MAGNIFICENT versions of that song were ever really done: Roy's when he was "younger" and had more range than he did toward the end, and K.D. Lang's version - before she really burst onto the music scene in any kinda fashion.

120 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:48:17pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

Where are you? Trinidad.

Nope. New Mexico.

121 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:48:33pm

Good advice, Kate

Are you listening, Real?

122 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:49:19pm

Why do I know about Trinidad, NM?
What is it close to?

123 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:49:44pm

Hey everyone...Fox news alert--breaking--that s.o.b. number 2 piece of scum who makes all the videos for Osama--has been KILLED in Pakistan. Not that I want to dance on his grave, but wow--Maestro, please, let's have an Auld Lang Syne for the bugger.

124 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:50:29pm

re: #109 St. Pancake

Great easy summer salad


"Summertime and the living is easy,
Fish are jumpin' and the cotton is high.
Your daddy's rich, and your mamma, she's good lookin'
So hush now, baby, don't you cry."

125 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:50:40pm

re: #119 realwest

Well, uh, I guess Patsy Cline never recorded it. I don't know why I thought that. And "Crying" isn't exactly a rare name for a song, it turns out.

126 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:51:10pm

re: #119 realwest

Yup, he wrote it and sang it - but contrary to popular beleif out here (glares over at Salem) only two MAGNIFICENT versions of that song were ever really done: Roy's when he was "younger" and had more range than he did toward the end, and K.D. Lang's version - before she really burst onto the music scene in any kinda fashion.

Oh, I FORGOT about her. I think her voice is exquisite--in particular..the beautiful song, Simple. She sang it for Johnny Carson on the last night of his broadcast--at his request. Brought a tear to everyone's eye.

127 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:51:23pm

re: #122 St. Pancake

Why do I know about Trinidad, NM?
What is it close to?


Trinidad is in Colorado. Way south in Colorado.

128 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:52:13pm

re: #53 Russkilitlover
Hey, glad to oblige - great song, great singer!
At least one tooth gets pulled a week from Wednesday.
But if only hurts if I chew food or grit my teeth. And I'm in a lotta pain, though NOT from eating on it! LOL!

129 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:52:44pm

123 katemaclaren
OMG! I will check it out.

124 Russkilitlover
lol!
Cute....

130 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:52:50pm

re: #127 Wendya

Trinidad is in Colorado. Way south in Colorado.

..and I thought you meant the other TRINIDAD--you know the one WAY WAY south of Colorado--and way warmer, too.

131 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:52:56pm

Oh, I was gonna say K.D. Lang, too, but for some reason I could only think of Melissa Ethridge. I guess you can imagine how I could mix them up.

132 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:54:10pm

re: #125 Salem True, geez, I hadda go through PAGES of songs by artists (most of whom I've never heard of) on Imeem until I found it.
Don't know why she didn't cover it - she'd a done great with it but maybe Roy wrote it too late for her, ya know?

133 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:54:15pm

127 Wendya

TY for the info.

Troutster?
Did you leave?

134 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:54:15pm

Yeah, there's a Trinidad Juarez in Mexico. And a Durango, too. That's probably caused more than one interesting mix-up. "Trinidad" meands town, BTW.

135 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:54:34pm

re: #131 Salem

Oh, I was gonna say K.D. Lang, too, but for some reason I could only think of Melissa Ethridge. I guess you can imagine how I could mix them up.

No. Of course not! Why would you say that? ;-)

136 tokyobk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:54:40pm

re: #124 Russkilitlover

"Summertime and the living is easy,
Fish are jumpin' and the cotton is high.
Your daddy's rich, and your mamma, she's good lookin'
So hush now, baby, don't you cry."

If you ever have the chance to catch the Lambert, Henricks and Ross verion of that classic, do so. They were not called the "James Joyces of Jive" for nothing.

137 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:55:10pm

re: #134 Salem

Yeah, there's a Trinidad Juarez in Mexico. And a Durango, too. That's probably caused more than one interesting mix-up. "Trinidad" meands town, BTW.

I did not know that.

138 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:55:40pm

re: #132 realwest

True, geez, I hadda go through PAGES of songs by artists (most of whom I've never heard of) on Imeem until I found it.
Don't know why she didn't cover it - she'd a done great with it but maybe Roy wrote it too late for her, ya know?

Imeem doesn't have everything, though.

139 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:55:57pm

I thought "pueblo" meant town.

140 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:56:30pm

re: #126 katemaclaren
NOOOOO {katemaclaren} that wasn't what was sung to Carson and what was sung was be Bette Middler! LOL!
Here, once again, by popular request: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

141 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:56:55pm

YAAWWWWWNNNN. I must tear myself away from this civil gathering. I have to get up and get my little guy on the bus for camp. Yaaay! An entire day to do nothing but the crossword or a Sudoku. Goodnight everyone. So glad to see you tonight! Take care Realwest.

142 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:56:55pm

re: #128 realwest

Hey, glad to oblige - great song, great singer!
At least one tooth gets pulled a week from Wednesday.
But if only hurts if I chew food or grit my teeth. And I'm in a lotta pain, though NOT from eating on it! LOL!

I have a bum tooth, too. Broke it a couple of months ago. I'm a complete dentalphobe, and now with my layoff, my insurance runs out at the end of August. If you can handle what you are going through, I'll get to Mr. Dentist before end of August. When I start to freak out, I'll think of you and your strength.

Oh, and I'll play KD Lang's "Crying" during whatever the D needs to inflict on me.

143 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:57:00pm

Trinidad means "trinity"

144 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:57:21pm

re: #137 katemaclaren

I did not know that.

There's gotta be a "Pueblo" in Mexico, too. I'm guessing.

145 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:57:28pm

Night, Kate

Take care, and great to talk to you.

146 UncleSam  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:58:07pm

re: #8 looking closely

It was the ancient Greeks who used that refrain.

It was because in standard rank formation, a soldier's shield was used to protect the soldier NEXT to them. For that reason, losing your shield was letting your team down, and was considered highly dishonorable.

That makes absolutely no sense whatever and I call "Bullshit" on your assertion.

147 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:58:20pm

perseid meteor showers

Anyone up for that?

148 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:58:28pm

re: #140 realwest

NOOOOO {katemaclaren} that wasn't what was sung to Carson and what was sung was be Bette Middler! LOL!
Here, once again, by popular request: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

my memory must be SHOT! I'd swear it was K.D.? No? I know Bette was on there, too, though. Maybe I'm just too tired to think.

149 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:59:15pm

re: #131 Salem


Oh, I was gonna say K.D. Lang, too, but for some reason I could only think of Melissa Ethridge. I guess you can imagine how I could mix them up.

Nice going. That's gonna ruin 99.9% of my girl-on-girl fantasies for the next week. Thanks.

j/k, nothing could ruin that

150 UncleSam  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 10:59:53pm

Whoops: Meant "whatsoever" in my post #146.

151 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:00:21pm

When one soldier was killed, one was able to quickly replace the fallen guy. That was the beauty of the Greek phalanx style.

It was terribly shameful to lose in the Spartan culture. Women were the ones who said that about the shield. Come back dead, or else!
My paraphrasing as I teach my students.

152 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:00:38pm

re: #140 realwest

NOOOOO {katemaclaren} that wasn't what was sung to Carson and what was sung was be Bette Middler! LOL!
Here, once again, by popular request: [Link: www.imeem.com...]

THAT WAS AWESOME! Thankkkkk you!

153 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:00:44pm

re: #139 St. Pancake

I thought "pueblo" meant town.

It means village.

154 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:01:08pm

re: #143 St. Pancake

Trinidad means "trinity"

Oh. Pfft. I feel rather dumb. Ciudad means town. There is a town by

that

name in Mexico.

155 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:01:55pm

re: #138 Salem
Well it sure as hell had enough for me! LOL! When did Patsy die? I think in 1963 which is when Crying was written by Roy Orbison and was fairly obscure until Tom Petty kinda "unretired" Roy and brought him back with a BANG then Roy re-did it and had A HUGE hit with the song!

156 katemaclaren  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:02:03pm

'nite, SP. Hope to "see" you again soon!

157 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:02:08pm

pueblo means town too.

158 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:04:12pm

re: #154 Salem

Ciudad means town.

It means city or large town.

159 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:04:12pm

re: #155 realwest

Well it sure as hell had enough for me! LOL! When did Patsy die? I think in 1963 which is when Crying was written by Roy Orbison and was fairly obscure until Tom Petty kinda "unretired" Roy and brought him back with a BANG then Roy re-did it and had A HUGE hit with the song!

*shrug* She sang a lot about falling to pieces and being lonely. I guess that's how she popped in my head.

160 Russkilitlover  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:04:54pm

Nite all.

161 realwest  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:05:10pm

Ah crap, look at the time already - I'm sorry all y'all (and especially to St. Pancake and to katemaclaren) but I gotta get to sleep now!

Hope you all have a GREAT NIGHT/EARLY EVENING and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Goodnight, all!

162 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:05:50pm

re: #158 Wendya

It means city or large town.

*sigh* It has the proper suffix and everything. I'm on a roll, tonight.

163 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:06:02pm

Take care, Real

Sleep tight!

164 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:06:13pm

Nite Russ

165 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:06:43pm

re: #134 Salem

Yeah, there's a Trinidad Juarez in Mexico. And a Durango, too. That's probably caused more than one interesting mix-up. "Trinidad" meands town, BTW.

re: #139 St. Pancake

Trinidad = trinity
pueblo = town

;)

166 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:07:32pm

re: #139 St. Pancake

I thought "pueblo" meant town.

No, "pueblo" means tourists.

167 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:08:16pm

165 LeePro
:)

Lol!

168 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:08:34pm

F***ing lie.

Youtube Video

169 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:08:50pm

Tourists who flock to Taos Pueblo in New Mexico, for example

170 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:08:54pm

re: #154 Salem

Ciudad = city

171 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:09:55pm

168 The Other Les

Oh crap on that one.
"sigh"

172 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:10:05pm

re: #123 katemaclaren

Hey everyone...Fox news alert--breaking--that s.o.b. number 2 piece of scum who makes all the videos for Osama--has been KILLED in Pakistan. Not that I want to dance on his grave, but wow--Maestro, please, let's have an Auld Lang Syne for the bugger.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

173 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:10:32pm

I don't find a Trinidad in Mexico. I know there's a Durango, though.

174 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:11:07pm

Since we're typing spanish:

Los Natas - Meteoro 2028 - Ciudad de Brahman

175 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:12:10pm

re: #169 St. Pancake

Tourists who flock to Taos Pueblo in New Mexico, for example

For whatever reason, they seem to get a lot of Japanese tourists.

176 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:13:00pm

Many Germans adore the Southwest. I guided German tourists there for three years. The dryness and warmth is glorious to them

177 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:13:34pm

One guy even stated that "when the U.S. loses a war on American soil, then the Germans want Santa Fe".

178 Salem  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:13:52pm

re: #170 LeePro

Ciudad = city

Yup.

179 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:14:09pm

174 Slumbering Behemoth

Now, that was interesting!

180 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:14:11pm

re: #177 St. Pancake

One guy even stated that "when the U.S. loses a war on American soil, then the Germans want Santa Fe".

It would almost be worth it just to get rid of Santa Fe.

181 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:14:43pm

Hey! I have relatives there!

182 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:14:48pm

re: #171 St. Pancake

168 The Other Les

Oh crap on that one.
"sigh"

A lot of pro-Soviet-Russian shit showing up on YouTube.

183 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:14:50pm

re: #175 Wendya

For whatever reason, they seem to get a lot of Japanese tourists.

My last wife lived on the Taos pueblo for a while as a child. We were down there about 8 years ago, and she was appalled on how commercial it had become. I called it an Indian Disney Land.

For that matter, the who town of Taos has become a tourist trap.

IMHO

184 perchprism  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:14:59pm

Welcome here adventurous stranger
Ring the bell and bide the danger
or wonder till it drives you mad
what would have happened if you had


Lefty201, I remember this from my childhood, and am guessing 'The Magician's Nephew' by C. S. Lewis.

185 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:15:28pm

re: #177 St. Pancake

One guy even stated that "when the U.S. loses a war on American soil, then the Germans want Santa Fe".

Don't talk about the War.

186 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:16:36pm

182 The Other Les Almost as offensive as the Pali stuff.

187 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:17:15pm

re: #183 Walter L. Newton

My last wife lived on the Taos pueblo for a while as a child. We were down there about 8 years ago, and she was appalled on how commercial it had become. I called it an Indian Disney Land.

For that matter, the who town of Taos has become a tourist trap.

IMHO

Taos pueblo and the town have to attract tourists. There's not a lot of private land, and the land that is free is pretty expensive. Not enough water for any real industry......there's no way for either to support themselves without tourism.

188 redc1c4  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:20:14pm

re: #20 Russkilitlover

BHO thinks Russians are people who hurry too much! He's got his 300 advisors throwing a whole bunch of crap at his brain right now. It will be interesting to see what his grey matter can process and articulate.

throwing crap in his brain is carrying coals to Newcastle.

or, more aptly, like punching a hole in a hole. %-)

189 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:23:45pm

re: #179 St. Pancake

I'm a freak for metal. I don't care what country it comes from, what language it is sung in, my only litmus test is "goose flesh".

More from the same band: El Bolsero.

190 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:25:54pm
"Should one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?"

Had I not known better, I might have thought that to be a Gen. George S. Patton quote...

191 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:26:21pm

Soldier's account of Japanese World War Two massacre to be auctioned

192 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:27:42pm

Hey, all you old mature seasoned Lizards come back to roost... you really should try out Charles's newish "reply" and "quote" buttons. They are truly magical! ! !





And now...

Bedtime!

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

And for redc1c4... {*smooch*}

193 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:27:53pm

re: #186 St. Pancake

182 The Other Les Almost as offensive as the Pali stuff.

I just saw a video on LiveLeak (must register for it) and the first comment on it was from "IslamisLife":

Oh well the georgians, abkhazians, russians and ossetians can thank the nice democratic georgian president for this round of suffering.

Peace.


Scumbag.

194 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:28:24pm

Winston Churchill omitted from Who’s Who of British history

195 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:29:32pm

Ok, how to use the new-fangled reply button?

196 tokyobk  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:29:47pm

re: #191 St. Pancake

Soldier's account of Japanese World War Two massacre to be auctioned


The Imperial Japanese were brutal and deranged by worship of a religion that was also the political state.

They invited, and got, the total war they deserved.

I do not think the world has the resolve to fight that kind of war today, though their are equally lunatic (pun intended) forces begging for genuine shock and awe.

197 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:30:12pm

193 The Other Les

"sigh"

I just loathe even seeing the mention of "Islamist" anything.

198 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:31:04pm

re: #197 St. Pancake

Hi. Good to read you again.

199 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:31:44pm

196 tokyobk

True
Western peoples do not have the resolve. The emphasis upon human rights, "feelings", and multiculturalism have done us in.

200 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:32:07pm

re: #192 LeePro

Night {LeePro}, I was busy lurking and talking to someone.

/finally got a clear answer I can understand, and footing I can stand on.

201 Yankee Division Son  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:32:18pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

Are you kidding me? I'm gonna puke..

202 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:32:48pm

re: #195 St. Pancake

Just point and click on the blue lettering. :)

/same works for quote link as well. great time savers.

203 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:33:07pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

Winston Churchill omitted from Who’s Who of British history

Good grief!

No Churchill, no Victoria but they mention the Red House?

204 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:33:13pm

The new Obama ad re mcCain has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It is a 'reaction' ad. These are usually made by a team of zealots in a hurry. This ad shows every sign of being immature, illadvised, and plain wrong. It is laughable. obama is panicking.

205 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:33:58pm

Howdy pat!
Long time, no see!

Just finished reading "The Lost King of France" and "The Court of the Last Tsar"
Now reading a British history tome.

206 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:34:04pm

re: #195 St. Pancake

Ok, how to use the new-fangled reply button?

Click it! It brings you to the comment box with a link to the comment you're responding to.

I've just used the "quote" button to quote your comment without a link.

;D




Really going to bed now...

207 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:34:56pm

re: #205 St. Pancake

Ok, I will see what happens

208 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:14pm

Well, pat got the response

209 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:33pm

Do I click on the "reply" button of the person to whom I am addressing?

210 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:37pm

re: #200 BlueCanuck

Night {LeePro}, I was busy lurking and talking to someone.

/finally got a clear answer I can understand, and footing I can stand on.

clear answer?
footing?

211 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:38pm

Doh!

212 Wendya  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:35:59pm

re: #204 pat

The new Obama ad re mcCain has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It is a 'reaction' ad. These are usually made by a team of zealots in a hurry. This ad shows every sign of being immature, illadvised, and plain wrong. It is laughable. obama is panicking.

It's lame and not nearly as effective as the McCain ad.

It's not going to help Obama.

213 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:18pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

wow. the left is in control. a lost cause.
[Link: deathby1000papercuts.com...]

214 redc1c4  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:22pm

re: #146 UncleSam

That makes absolutely no sense whatever and I call "Bullshit" on your assertion.

it appears you are mistaken:

"Overview" 4th para down.....

215 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:24pm

Dph again!
Teacher needs a teacher.
*smile*

I am getting tired

216 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:36:59pm

re: #194 St. Pancake

Winston Churchill omitted from Who’s Who of British history

A committee : the only known life form with fifty stomachs but no brain.

217 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:12pm

re: #209 St. Pancake

Do I click on the "reply" button of the person to whom I am addressing?

yes

218 redc1c4  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:19pm

re: #192 LeePro

Hey, all you old mature seasoned Lizards come back to roost... you really should try out Charles's newish "reply" and "quote" buttons. They are truly magical! ! !





And now...

Bedtime!

  ¦O ya-a-a-w-w-w-n-n-n

G'nite {Beloved Lizards}!

And for redc1c4... {*smooch*}

euwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

/heads straight to Decon

219 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:24pm

re: #204 pat

The new Obama ad re mcCain has to be one of the dumbest I have ever seen. It is a 'reaction' ad. These are usually made by a team of zealots in a hurry. This ad shows every sign of being immature, illadvised, and plain wrong. It is laughable. obama is panicking.

They're the superior beings. They feel that they are the smartest people on the planet. They know everything. They don't have to think things through to their proper conclusion.

And they are totally mystified when their schemes don't work.

220 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:51pm

Reading the history of farm/agricultural advances. 1600-1950. lol

221 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:37:55pm

re: #213 patYuck
Thanks for the linky

222 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:38:07pm

Hey, it worked

223 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:38:39pm

re: #210 LeePro

The GF situation. I will send you and e-mail with all the gory details. ;)

224 Slumbering Behemoth  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:39:13pm

re: #204 pat

Link, please.

225 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:39:31pm

re: #216 RedPepper

Lol!
I needed to hear that. This is so depressing for someone of my generation.

226 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:40:01pm

re: #217 LeePro

Thank you, dear

227 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:41:02pm

re: #220 pat
Now, that sounds intriguing

What is the title?

228 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:41:24pm

Don't know about the decline of Rome etc. (actually I do but this context is inappropriate)
The saying Come back with your shield, or on it, was the customary salutation of Spartan mothers, according to later historians, who could hardly know. but it sounded nifty.

229 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:42:10pm

re: #228 patI said that earlier. Guess people did not notice.

History teachers do know something.....

230 redc1c4  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:42:56pm

re: #223 BlueCanuck

The GF situation. I will send you and e-mail with all the gory details. ;)

post'em here...... %-)

231 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:43:22pm

The Impact Of the Mechanization Of German Farms. lol

232 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:44:11pm

re: #219 The Other Les

Exactly

233 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:45:08pm

Spartan women did not want to be married to cowards....
Come back dead, victorious, or else!Dead bodies carried on the shields.

234 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:45:37pm

re: #231 pat
What year was that published?

235 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:03pm

It is a treatise.

236 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:14pm

re: #225 St. Pancake

I am interested in obsessed with quotes. I collect 'em. For many people, I have two or three quotes. Someone really interesting, maybe by this point I have collected a dozen ... maybe fifteen.

Winston S. Churchill - I have 60+ quotes. Nor am I done ...

/just to illustrate how I feel about the man ...

237 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:41pm

And it was published a few months ago.

238 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:46:49pm

re: #236 RedPepper
Yeah, he has always been a hero of mine, warts and all....

239 LeePro  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:47:38pm

re: #226 St. Pancake

Thank you, dear

You're welcome!
You mentioned "someone of my generation" above ⤴...
would a 1940s brat be in your league?

'lass of '42

240 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:47:44pm

re: #237 patOh?

Interesting.
Any good information on turn-of-the-century German farming?
As in high tariffs to protect their crops?

241 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:49:03pm

re: #239 LeePro
Actually, not51 now. My dad was a Normandy Invasion dude who was able to see Churchill on Downing Street.

Many great stories....

242 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:49:15pm

I love Dan Quayle guotes. i find as much wisdom in them as WC Fields or Casey Stengel. Perhaps unintentional, but deeply true when taken in an abstract way.
That is my theory, and I'm sticking with it.

243 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:50:07pm

re: #242 pat

Haha! So true

244 The Other Les  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:50:37pm

re: #233 St. Pancake

Spartan women did not want to be married to cowards....
Come back dead, victorious, or else!Dead bodies carried on the shields.

Being brought dead meant that the widows could remarry.

245 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:51:00pm

re: #230 redc1c4

post'em here...... %-)

Nah, you have enough ammunition against me as it is.

/white smoke.

246 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:52:16pm

Squeaky the pig goes hog-wild for pizza, cow-herding
Includes a video

She's been known to break into the ranch house and raid the refrigerator to messily slurp up raw eggs and leftover pizza. She considers a wallow in mud to be the height of fashion and doesn't like to be washed off. Although she seems to think of herself as some sort of porcine breed of dog, complete with barklike "oinks,"she's never become the least bit housebroken.

247 Karridine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:03pm

re: #243 St. Pancake

Hokey Smokes!

LONG TIME NO SEE, St P! :D

248 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:27pm

re: #238 St. Pancake


Lady Nancy Astor : “Sir, if you were my husband, I would poison your tea !”
Winston Churchill : “Madam, if you were my wife, I would drink it !”

Variant :

Lady Nancy Astor : “If I were your wife, Winston, I’d poison your tea.”
Winston Churchill : “And if you were my wife, I’d drink it !”

( Anecdotal. )

------------------

Churchill biographer Sir Martin Gilbert said this exchange was more likely to have occurred between Lady Astor and Churchill’s good friend F. E. Smith, Lord Birkenhead, a notorious acerbic wit. But both Consuelo Vanderbilt (The Glitter and the Gold) and Christopher Sykes (Nancy: The Life of Lady Astor) say the riposte was by Churchill. The argument was rendered moot when Fred Shapiro, in The Yale Book of Quotations, tracked the origins of the phrase to a joke line from a 1900 edition of The Chicago Tribune.

{ This note taken from The Churchill Centre ( [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...] ) ;
link [Link: www.winstonchurchill.org...] }

------------------

Pancake, if you like Churchill, you may find the above link of interest. A good place to verify one of his quotes, f'rinstance ...

249 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:34pm

"waving"

Howdy, dear!

Woohoo
Old-timers night

250 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:39pm

re: #239 LeePro

Mail away.

251 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:53:44pm

re: #240 St. Pancake

Oh?

Interesting.
Any good information on turn-of-the-century German farming?
As in high tariffs to protect their crops?

OK. the German villages were set up like granges. The entire village rented the land. A small holding might be 640 acres ( a square mile), a large one 4 times that. There were three parts, fields, pasture, forest and pond. The fields rotated. the forest and ponds were carefully preserved to protect firewood, fish, and game. As well as nature itself. Animals were shared for tillage, but not food. Grain was shared and allocated for rent. But adequate food came first. like granges, officials were elected.

252 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:54:56pm

re: #248 RedPepper

Actually, not only do I have that sight bookmarked, I have used it extensively as I teach European history. I also bought a CD of his speeches.

253 Karridine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:55:04pm

Stong-supporters, Old-Timers and Barricade-Fighters' Night :D

254 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:55:32pm

Whew.
Did i mention my wife is a Churchill scholar?

255 Karridine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:55:45pm

" that SITE bookmarked..."

256 pat  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:56:00pm

re: #253 Karridine

lol

257 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:57:11pm

re: #251 pat

TY. I copied/pasted the info. Interesting in that this was one of the issues which infuriated the Brits, High tariffs, I assume, because of the beer industry.....

258 Karridine  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:57:37pm

Hey, Pat!

I've lasted at few other efforts as long as I've lasted here @ LGF...

259 BlueCanuck  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:57:48pm

re: #253 Karridine

Stong supporters? Must have missed that in the manual.

/*flip--flip----flip*

260 RedPepper  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:58:14pm

re: #252 St. Pancake

Excellent.

I was (still am) considering making a contribution to the Centre ; have not done so yet, however.

261 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:58:17pm

re: #254 pat

Wow! MagnificentWould love to talk to her. We could chat for hours....
Drinking habits, his cigars, his ugliness :)
Jennie, his mom, also fascinates me.

262 St. Pancake  Mon, Aug 11, 2008 11:59:43pm

re: #260 RedPepper

I always have my Euro kids listen to excerpts of his "We will fight on the beaches" "Their Finest Hour", and the "Iron Curtain" speeches.

263 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:00:14am

re: #251 pat

Pat, my mother's father (western Washington) was active in Grange... I grew up going to those meetings... when Mom & Dad were gone and Grampa and Grandma could DRAG me....

264 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:01:12am

re: #259 BlueCanuck

You don't count, Canuck...

/except up to 3.... :D

265 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:01:38am

Must be off. St P, do not be a stranger. I miss our literature talks. Have you brought up that old great book I gave you, tannahill's on the history of foods to your AP class? Lots of fascinating stuff in that.

266 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:02:40am

re: #262 St. Pancake

His speeches are impressive, and inspiring ; I am also in love with his mordant wit.

Something our American politicians could use ...

267 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:02:43am

re: #265 patYes, I did...for my world history kids. Nifty stuff!

Did I hear right?
Miguel had a stroke?

268 LeePro  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:29am

G'nite again, Lizards!




f'reeel this time!

269 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:33am

re: #266 RedPepper

Also loved his strength with other foreign leaders, including FDR and more importantly, Stalin.

270 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:50am

re: #268 LeePro

Night, Lee
take care

271 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:03:53am

Funny, when in High School I always imagined The Grange to be like a Union (I grew up on a plantation). it was only until i read this treatise that i understood it was a method to purchase expensive equipment and allocate usage so all members could profit.

272 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:02am

re: #267 St. Pancake

Mild... more like a transient ischemic accident (TIA)... but he is recovering well, St P

273 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:13am

Am getting sleepy too. I do want to know about Miguel

274 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:27am

re: #267 St. Pancake

Yes, I did...for my world history kids. Nifty stuff!

Did I hear right?
Miguel had a stroke?

you did indeed, but he is better he says.

275 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:04:53am

re: #272 Karridine

Thank you. If you talk to him before I do, please give him my best. LOLady too!

276 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:05:35am

I am relieved. That had me in a tizzy worrying about him. Miss talking to him.

277 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:05:59am

I always thought this was the Grange.

278 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:01am

re: #275 St. Pancake

Will do! They'll appreciate word from you, in this busy world!

All best regards to you, St Pancake!

279 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:05am

Kerridine
How are the kiddos?

280 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:44am

re: #269 St. Pancake

I'm betting that you saw the film they made a few years back, with (?) Ms. Redgrave, and the English actor whose name I am struggling to recall ...

281 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:06:56am

I have a history of the Chile Pepper in the library. By Anderson. Now that vegetable moved fast! Beat white men into central Africa.

282 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:07:51am

re: #264 Karridine

You don't count, Canuck...

/except up to 3.... :D

That's not fair. I made it up to five last week without using my fingers. The teacher says I may even get lined paper soon too. ;)

/heh heh heh

283 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:09:20am

re: #279 St. Pancake

Thai public schooling breaks at 6th grade, so my oldest is at the bottom rung of High-School (7th grade) and my youngest is top of his world.

Youngest was selected for the first-ever Min of Ed sponsored 18-day trip to Singapore; 30 students...

Both are class-leaders and yet courteous...

/Thanks for askin'

284 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:10:29am

re: #281 pat

Hot climates love hot foods. Such things will move faster than anything else. Just like good ideas.

285 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:11:38am

re: #284 BlueCanuck

Speaking of which, I gotta pause for lunch at 2PM Thai time, on this Mothers' Day in Thailand

bbiaw

286 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:12:57am

re: #281 pat

Ok, that's cool

Love the study of the Colombian Exchange

287 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:13:04am

re: #280 RedPepper

Vanessa Redgrave. And Albert Finney.

The Gathering Storm, 2002.

288 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:13:30am

re: #280 RedPepper

You got me there. I have no clue as to what this video is about?

289 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:14:25am

re: #283 Karridine

I am not surprised. Look at the parents! That is my retort, and I am sticking to it. The family matters even more than the teachers etc.

290 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:14:45am

re: #284 BlueCanuck

And Chiles are among the most fecund plants. Botanist have come to believe that some people actually discovered the chile growing wild from bird droppings (birds can eat chiles and love to, highly nutritious, but birds cannot digest seeds) from early imported cultivars.

(way too much info, yeah. i know. nite)

291 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:14:56am

re: #287 RedPepper
I will have to check into it.

292 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:15:35am

re: #290 patI've heard that part. Droppings is a form of seed dispersal

293 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:15:43am

Droppings are

294 St. Pancake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:16:03am

Good night, all

Tired, so the typing is sucking something fierce.

295 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:18:25am

re: #291 St. Pancake

I thought it was pretty interesting. Unfortunately, I am not knowledgeable enough about Churchill's life to be able to comment on whether it was accurate in its portrayal.

296 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:19:39am

Good night, St. Pancake. Nice talking with you.

297 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:19:50am

re: #290 pat

re: #292 St. Pancake

Good factoids. I did know about seed dispersal by that method. In fact some seeds need to be primed by digestive tracks to germinate properly. Another fact, forest fires are a form of regeneration and are required by some pines in North America. The pinecones will only open after being heated by a strong fire. And they will open after any fire has passed. Thus the seeds are released into a fresh area clear of overgrowth and made fertile by the ashes of the previous denziens.

/once went to a tree nursery in Central Ontario as a field trip.

298 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:25:20am

re: #297 BlueCanuck

This thread is getting deader and deader every moment. I'm about ready to make my exit too.

299 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:27:30am

re: #298 RedPepper

Oh man, with Karridine off to lunch, that means redc1c4 is lurking about here with me.

/grabs flashlight and checks batteries.

300 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:28:29am

This thread is dead.

Vive le thread !

Ciao 4 now ...

301 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:30:52am

re: #300 RedPepper

Have a good night then.

/paddles, quick we are losing the pulse of the thread.
//off to link dive and muddy some waters.

*lurk mode engaged*

302 mineral  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:32:29am

Should one point out that from ancient times a decline in courage has been considered the beginning of the end?

— Alexander Solzhenitsyn

Proven by the fact that we don't even have the courage to publish translations of some of Solzhenitsyn's works in the US.

303 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:35:03am

re: #289 St. Pancake

I am not surprised. Look at the parents! That is my retort, and I am sticking to it. The family matters even more than the teachers etc.

Thais (and expats) ask us HOW we get such good results? How do we get such studious, good-natured, helpful sons?

But they RARELY want to hear our answer: Hard work, CARING about their homework, their school life, their skinned knees and skinned hearts... as well as learning about EFFECTIVE Learning Strategies, and then applying them with discipline, love and oodles of Encouragement and Praise while modeling the values we want them to have...

/hey, wait! Why are you leaving... now...
And the parents blink, glassy-eyed, grinning...

304 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:36:12am

re: #302 mineral

What's awaiting publication, Mineral?

305 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:52:06am

First to post about the Israeli "Skunk" machine was [Link: www.patriotmissive.com....]

No, I'm not bitter. Not at all.

306 mineral  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:17am

re: #304 Karridine

He recently wrote two books about the relationship between the Russians and the Jews that will apparently not be translated or published in the US.

A shame, as I wouldn't mind reading about my own ancestors.

307 redc1c4  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:12am

re: #299 BlueCanuck

Oh man, with Karridine off to lunch, that means redc1c4 is lurking about here with me.

/grabs flashlight and checks batteries.

i'll just open the fridge door.......

308 redc1c4  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:23:23am

well, Blue's away, and the fruitcup has been fixed, so i'm off for sleepier climes.

/white smoke %-)

309 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:25:28am

re: #308 redc1c4

Was busy, Mr AvH is busy throwing his slime around again on a lower thread. Probably has his spy open and will respond long after I am gone. Like he usually does for other threads.

Otherwise have a good night red.

/time to go to work again.

310 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:45am

AM I DREAMING?!?

I swear...just yesterday I was looking through some old emails and realized..oh wow! I haven't talked to St. Pancake, like forever.

St. Pancake?! HI! :-)

311 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:57am

Good morning littleoldlady. You missed her(I think her), she went to bed a couple of hours ago.

312 A. van Hilten  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:06am

re: #309 BlueCanuck

Was busy, Mr AvH is busy throwing his slime around again on a lower thread. Probably has his spy open and will respond long after I am gone. Like he usually does for other threads.

Otherwise have a good night red.

/time to go to work again.

Hey, twirp, if you really want to diss me, I suggest you do it upfront, not in another thread. And, no, I actually don't have a spy installed, because I don't need to control what's happening on the rest of the blog.

BTW, I've answered your comment on the other thread.

313 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:17am

BlueCanuck! :-)

/*sniff*! :-(

314 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:19am

re: #311 BlueCanuck

Roger that. Somnambulent, Little Olde...

315 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:44:22am

re: #312 A. van Hilten

Oh good you finally came up front. The reason why I commented on that thread was that was where your last activity was. And I too have responded to you.

316 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:45:23am

re: #314 Karridine

Karridine! :-)

What was her excuse for not showing up for two years?

;-)

317 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:48:20am

Speaking of "not showing up"...has Miguel been around at all? I haven't received an email from him in ages. :-(

318 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:50:46am

Haven't seen Miguel in a week or so. Might be getting some proper rest to help with the healing and recovery process.

319 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:55:46am

re: #316 littleoldlady

She offered no excuse, as those of us present who RECOGNIZED HER as an old-timer were too busy smiling and hugging her to ask why she had been existentium in absentia...

320 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:56:46am

re: #17 looking closely


Συν ται η επι ται! or Ή ταν ή επί τας!, "With it or on it!", implying that he should return (victoriously) with his shield, or (his cremated body in an urn) upon it, but by no means after saving himself by throwing away his heavy shield and fleeing.[14]

321 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:59:03am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

322 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:01:52am

I really need to get this machine looked at :-(

Karridine,

I was kidding, of course. Gonna send her an email later, now that I've unearthed her address...

I email Miguel a little note daily (in case anyone wants to say hi) but haven't heard back from him in almost two weeks. :-(

323 redc1c4  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:02:30am

re: #321 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------->
Help yourselves!

tastes funny, as usual...... %-)

324 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:04:39am

re: #323 redc1c4

I thought you went to bed. And the reason it tastes funny is possibly because it's filled with nutrients and good stuff.

/white smoke.

325 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:06:18am

re: #323 redc1c4

Does it?

/should I have left out the chocolate drizzle?

red! ;-)

326 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:07:33am

re: #322 littleoldlady

I always figure YOUR comments for light, easy-going and courteous... just as a matter of course, Ma'am.

Just as I am, when I YELL AT PEOPLE for BEING A MINUTE EARLY with the fletching FRUITCUP! Yearrrgh!

/Courteous Klyde Kadiddle-dine, that's me...

327 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:10:37am

re: #326 Karridine

Who are you and what have you done with our Karridine?

:)

328 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:11:37am
*Calling Doctor Jekyll! Dr Jekyll to the White courtesy phone!*
329 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:12:31am

re: #328 Karridine

*Calling Doctor Jekyll! Dr Jekyll to the White courtesy phone!*

/Mr Hyde will do, in a pintzch

330 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:13:10am

re: #326 Karridine

Yeeeouch!

/sudden, stabbing pain in my jugular....

;-)

331 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:13:27am

re: #327 BlueCanuck

the comm. to start the spontaneous Montreal riots will meet at .....

332 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:13am

re: #330 littleoldlady

ROFL! :D

/gotta give elder son-boy some CPU time.

L8r

333 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:38am

Olympic kayaking! woo!

/pulls up chair to watch

334 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:07am

re: #331 yochanan

Montreal riots? What have I missed tonight?

/busy focusing on other things.

335 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:33am

followed by the meeting of the KGB to start the spontaneous riots and war in Georgia

336 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:17:55am

Good afternoon, y'all...

337 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:18:26am

re: #336 laZardo

Good afternoon, y'all...

Where are you located? afternoon?

338 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:07am

re: #325 littleoldlady

Does it?

/should I have left out the chocolate drizzle?

red! ;-)

One thing I can guarantee, my secret contribution to any fruitcup this morning was certainly not chocolate nor was it any piddly-ask drizzle. ;-)

Mornin Lol, Karridine, red, Blue, all.

339 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:33am

Hey Lazardo, catching the Olympics in near real time?

/lucky lizard.
//wait, why do I care? Don't watch t.v. :D

340 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:44am

in Israel it would be afternoon as well as in Ga.

341 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:20:08am

Morning aboo. Welcome to the resurectted thread.

342 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:20:38am

re: #340 yochanan

in Israel it would be afternoon as well as in Ga.

Israel here also. Blessed to see Olympics live. :)

343 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:31am

re: #337 Ms. Missive

Manila, Philippines. :P Just across the sea from Karridine.

re: #339 BlueCanuck

Nah, not interested in watching the local team get shamed again. =_=

344 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:43am

Apparently, the Georgia-Russian war is over?

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

345 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:57am

yochanan! :-)

laZardo! :-)

Ms. Missive! :-)

Howdy! Are you in Israel?

aboo! :-)

That underpass is looking awfully good at the moment.

/I tried hiding under the blanket.
//didn't work :-(

346 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:22:32am

re: #345 littleoldlady

{lol} Is the fruitcup safe?

347 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:01am

BTW, the real reason the Iranian ditched that race was because he was slated to swim in Lane 1 (second to worst time) against an Israeli (Lane 7) who came in 4th. He would have been shown up - BIG TIME.

/we can't have that now, can we?

348 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:26:49am

re: #346 laZardo

laZardo,

Blue has been trying to hold red back from his usual mischief, but aboo did zumzing to it.

/probably for the better
//hopefully

I need a disclaimer! ;-)

349 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:14am

re: #347 littleoldlady

BTW, the real reason the Iranian ditched that race was because he was slated to swim in Lane 1 (second to worst time) against an Israeli (Lane 7) who came in 4th. He would have been shown up - BIG TIME.

/we can't have that now, can we?

I can certainly accept that reasoning.

I can also accept that the Iranian is simply an antisemitic douche. Or even that he's a puppet for his government who are antisemitic douches.

350 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:58am

re: #349 Ms. Missive

what she said

351 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:01am

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.


Asked why it was dishonorable to return without a shield and not without a helmet, the Spartan king, Demaratos (510 - 491) is said to have replied: "Because the latter they put on for their own protection, but the shield for the common good of all." (Plutarch, Mor.220)

352 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:41am

re: #344 Ms. Missive

Interesting story in the side link: the "Egyptian marriage crisis."

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Makes me wonder why hardcore fundie movements over there get so popular. Maybe it's because the Western money flowing over there also brings ideas that threaten their culture?

353 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:31:18am

re: #13 Slumbering Behemoth

Right, Spartans. There was also a story (parable?) of a young Spartan warrior complaining to his mom that his sword was too short for battle.

Her response: Take a step forward and it shall be long enough.

Herodotus reports that just before the Battle of Thermoplyae, a Spartan warrior named Dienekes was told that the Persian archers could blank out the sun with their arrows. He replied "Good, then we shall have our battle in the shade."

354 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:16am

re: #352 laZardo

Interesting story in the side link: the "Egyptian marriage crisis."

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

Makes me wonder why hardcore fundie movements over there get so popular. Maybe it's because the Western money flowing over there also brings ideas that threaten their culture?

I read the article also and agree that it's interesting. I think Egypt may be the only "hope" for Arab countries in the region in regards to changing oppressive cultural ideas about women and marriage.

355 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:30am

re: #353 dustyvet

While we're on the topic of great Spartan quotations...

356 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:35am

Inward-looking and self-sufficient, the Spartans were the most feared hoplites (infantrymen) in all Greece. They lived an austere life, despising any sort of luxury, in a city that contained neither walls, nor grand buildings.

357 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:44am

Oh, and while we're speaking of antisemitic bigots and otherwise bigots...the trashtalking French didn't just get beat by the Americans in the 400 free relay. They got beat in the race I've named, "Two Jews, a black guy and Michael Phelps".

358 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:34:50am

re: #357 littleoldlady

Oh, and while we're speaking of antisemitic bigots and otherwise bigots...the trashtalking French didn't just get beat by the Americans in the 400 free relay. They got beat in the race I've named, "Two Jews, a black guy and Michael Phelps".

LMAO! Nice.

359 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:25am

re: #344 Ms. Missive

Call it stalled-out, vodka supply lines over-extended.

Judging from the article I guess the Russian pilots harbor no love-loss for al-Reuters but still can't aim:

A reporter for the Reuters news agency said several bombs exploded in front of his vehicle....
360 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:43am

re: #357 littleoldlady

Yeah, I remember you saying that last night.

/reason why sharmuta and I worked the fruitcup detail

361 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:38:12am

re: #354 Ms. Missive

I've heard from threads that it's getting pretty turbulent there, and there's still the MB to be worried about.

362 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:38:33am

(puff!) (puff!) littleoldlady! Any fruitcup left? (puff!) (puff!)

363 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:39:13am

Has anyone checked the duty rosster to see who's on fruit cup KP today?

364 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:41:17am

re: #362 Temujin

(puff!) (puff!) littleoldlady! Any fruitcup left? (puff!) (puff!)

Puff the magic Fruit Cup lived in...:)

365 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:41:27am

re: #363 dustyvet

Just put it in the sink and have red deal with it when he shows up next. *evil grin*

/serves him right for trying, and sometimes succeeding, doctoring the fruitcup.

366 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:43:37am

re: #364 dustyvet

Man !

I have got to do something about this coal-fired computer !

Took me forever getting here !

367 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:43:56am

re: #360 BlueCanuck

The last few seconds of the race elevated my blood pressure to new heights.

/sleep?! out of the question! ;-)

Swimming is pretty much the only thing I ever pay attention to in the Olympics. MNT was a competitive swimmer in her yout, so I actually know a little about the sport.

368 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:44:58am

re: #366 Temujin

Man !

I have got to do something about this coal-fired computer !

Took me forever getting here !

My computer was built from a war surplus German U-Boat, it crash dives with no warning...:)

369 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:00am

re: #367 littleoldlady

yout ?

370 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:22am

Temujin! :-)

Yes, there is.

/I don't know if it's safe, though...

dustyvet! :-)

371 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:57am

re: #367 littleoldlady

heh, well everyone has their passion. Can't blame you about that. I know what it's like with an adrenaline rush early in the morning. Worse than an extra large cup of coffee.

372 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:46:02am

yout.

/although she's never burned a car
//...that I know of
;-)

373 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:47:40am

Is there any fruitcup left for me? I'd like to say I was out stargazing, but I just happened to be hauling out the trash when I looked up and saw one or two shooting stars....

374 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:47:57am

Olmert offers Palestinians 93 percent of West Bank

The idiot...he should have offered them 100% of Syria - I mean really, what's the cost of a few new signs pointing in a different direction?

375 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:49:16am

re: #368 dustyvet

♫ ♪ It's a long way / To Tipperary ... ♪ ♫

376 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:35am

re: #370 littleoldlady

Thanks, lol !

I brought my own raisins for it ... to celebrate, y'know ...

377 BlueCanuck  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:51:24am

re: #373 Fenway_Nation

Saw a real good one last night. Was out for a smoke and looked to the north east where i could actually see some sky throught the skyscrapers and saw what looked almost like a roman candle streak down acrosse the sky. Thank goodness for ingrained habits.

/I always look up.

378 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:51:38am

Fenway! :-)

Lucky!

379 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:53:34am

re: #375 Temujin

♫ ♪ It's a long way / To Tipperary ... ♪ ♫

OMG! It just tried to topedo the cat...:)

380 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:03am

re: #379 dustyvet

OMG! It just tried to topedo the cat...:)

Torpedos work so much better...:)


>^..^

381 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:25am

re: #374 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Fucking worthess sack of.....merde

I suppose I should be upset, but the Paleos have this inherent ability to turn a sitation where they're offered 75% or more of what they want to their disadvantage....

/As a [not particularly devout] Catholic, I'm far more trusting of the Israelis as a custodian of one of our holiest sites than I am the Paleos (who took hostages in the Church of the nativity)...

382 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:51am

re: #379 dustyvet

Cat must've been walking on the keyboard when you weren't looking ... mine does that ... payback's a *&$^%, ain't it?

383 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:57:02am

re: #374 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Olmert offers Palestinians 93 percent of West Bank

The idiot...he should have offered them 100% of Syria - I mean really, what's the cost of a few new signs pointing in a different direction?

Why the hell doesn't Olmert just order up a bunch of lifeboats and offer them the whole bloody thing, since this is obviously his intent? Or maybe he figures that he'll escape the blood bath?

384 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:24am

re: #382 Temujin

Cat must've been walking on the keyboard when you weren't looking ... mine does that ... payback's a *&$^%, ain't it?


Sure are


Signed

The Cat...

[Link: cats2100.tripod.com...]

385 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:28am

re: #383 galloping granny

Why the hell doesn't Olmert just order up a bunch of lifeboats and offer them the whole bloody thing, since this is obviously his intent? Or maybe he figures that he'll escape the blood bath?

In another month, Olmert will step down... and whatever was lost in his final wake will be reoccupied again.

386 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:41am

re: #383 galloping granny

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

-- Winston Churchill, in Readers Digest (December 1954)

387 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:44am

re: #381 Fenway_Nation

JESUS WAS A PALAETSITNINAN!1111oneoneone

388 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:59:09am

re: #387 laZardo

Obvious sarc, of course...

389 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:40am

re: #387 laZardo

JESUS WAS A PALAETSITNINAN!1111oneoneone

Good for Jesus.

390 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:41am

re: #385 Ms. Missive

From your lips to G-d's ears...

391 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:53am

Russia to Georgia: "Had enough?"

Russia to Armenia, Ukraine, Estonia, Kazakhstan etc: "Nice little country you have there....be a shame if something happened to it."

392 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:58am

re: #386 Temujin

“An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”

-- Winston Churchill, in Readers Digest (December 1954)

Where the heck are you finding Readers Digest from 1954? Time to clean the garage eh?...:)

393 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:01:33am

This morning's news is reporting that Russia has decided to halt hostilities since "Georgia has been punished enough" for trying to take back its own territory. I interpret this to mean that:

The Russians now think the Georgians are cowed and won't be independent-minded and will follow Moscow's directives.

And/Or the Georgians finally figured out how to close the tunnels and mountain passes the Russians were using.

And/Or the Russian war machine is running out of stamina and the Russians wish to retreat with honor before all their equipment breaks down.

And/Or the threats from the West/UN (I know) and such actually had some barb that the Russians thought would hurt.

So for now it appears that the hostilities have ceased or are ceasing. I, for my part, would not be against US foreign aid to help rebuild what was damaged in Georgia. We could divert aid from some of those less-than-gracious recipients.

394 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:02:36am

So why aren't you guys celebrating?

Shouldn't you be passing out candy, or ululating, or something ? ! ?

395 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:03:23am

re: #394 Temujin

So why aren't you guys celebrating?

Shouldn't you be passing out candy, or ululating, or something ? ! ?


We're too drunk right now.

396 dustyvet  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:29am

re: #395 Ms. Missive

We're too drunk right now.

OK, who spiked the fruit cup?

397 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:59am

re: #393 David IV of Georgia

I'd prefer any one of the latter three....but if Russian 'peacekeepers' remain in the reigon, it would be hard to portray this as anything but a victory for the Kremiln.

398 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:05:51am

re: #392 dustyvet

Garbage ! My library is priceless! And the contents are in perfect condition!

Heck, I haven't even finished coloring some of 'em ...

399 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:19am

galloping granny! :-)

400 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:52am

re: #395 Ms. Missive

We're too drunk right now.

Well hey! now we're talking! That's a way to celebrate!

Care for some raisins?

401 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:55am

re: #397 Fenway_Nation

I'd prefer any one of the latter three....but if Russian 'peacekeepers' remain in the reigon, it would be hard to portray this as anything but a victory for the Kremiln.

Russian "peacekeepers" would be the direct equivalent of Hungary 1956. It would be a hostile occupation.

402 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:09:05am

It's after 5 AM, gotta go to work. Nice fruitcup.

403 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:09:17am

re: #401 David IV of Georgia


Maybe the Georgians could kick their ass in water polo during the Olympics then.....

404 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:10:11am

re: #381 Fenway_Nation

re: #383 galloping granny

No joke, every single time I read a story-line which contains the names of Olmert or Rice I literally cringe. If a line or story carries both the names Rice and Burns, I damn near begin to convulse in panic.

Don't ask about what would happen if a story contained all three, times to short already.

405 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:10:15am

David IV of Georgia! :-)

Did you say Georgia?

406 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:13:01am

re: #404 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

re: #383 galloping granny

No joke, every single time I read a story-line which contains the names of Olmert or Rice I literally cringe. If a line or story carries both the names Rice and Burns, I damn near begin to convulse in panic.

Don't ask about what would happen if a story contained all three, times to short already.

I hear you there. I will be very glad to see the back of Condi Rice. She has done a tremendous amount of damage in a few short years.

407 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:14:43am

re: #406 galloping granny

granny : be careful what you wish for ...

408 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:16:32am

re: #393 David IV of Georgia

This morning's news is reporting that Russia has decided to halt hostilities since "Georgia has been punished enough" for trying to take back its own territory. I interpret this to mean that:

The Russians now think the Georgians are cowed and won't be independent-minded and will follow Moscow's directives.

And/Or the Georgians finally figured out how to close the tunnels and mountain passes the Russians were using.

And/Or the Russian war machine is running out of stamina and the Russians wish to retreat with honor before all their equipment breaks down.

And/Or the threats from the West/UN (I know) and such actually had some barb that the Russians thought would hurt.

So for now it appears that the hostilities have ceased or are ceasing. I, for my part, would not be against US foreign aid to help rebuild what was damaged in Georgia. We could divert aid from some of those less-than-gracious recipients.

Yes. We could pay for that foreign aid out of Russia's assets that are held in the West. Or with an additional tax on exports to Russia.

BTW, in all of this did anyone notice the details of the new "5 year plan" style import regs in Russia?

409 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:17:45am

re: #407 Temujin

granny : be careful what you wish for ...

I always am. Condi Rice is the single worst Secretary of State I have seen in my lifetime.

410 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:17:47am

re: #405 littleoldlady

David IV of Georgia! :-)

Did you say Georgia?

St. David the Fourth, King of Georgia, conqueror of Sultans, caliphs and jihads.

Unfortunately you have to die before they give you the title "saint".

411 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:21:42am

re: #409 galloping granny

That's as may be.

But you're not dead yet ...

412 mineral  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:23:56am

re: #410 David IV of Georgia

Do have family in Georgia?

413 David IV of Georgia  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:26:07am

re: #412 mineral

Do have family in Georgia?

No, I am a Texan with the usual English, Irish, Scottish, German, French, and a few others (Danish) ancestry. I liked his story and I am Orthodox Christian. I have to go now.

414 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:26:29am

On a totally unrealted note, I'm guessing the mouth-breathing KosTards and Air-America listeners are proably going to give Putin and Medvedev every benefit of the doubt while blaming the situation in Ossetia on Bush/Haliburton/Cheney/ExxonMobil/McCain etc....

415 mineral  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:28:38am

re: #413 David IV of Georgia

Okay. The Georgians seem to have a little of that Texas spirit, so far as I can tell...

416 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:31:17am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

Well, of course! In the first place, I distinctly recall reading a news piece that mentioned something about Georgia and some related energy resource. Just another conspiracy ...

417 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:31:34am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

Pravda called that first.

418 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:34:18am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

On a totally unrealted note, I'm guessing the mouth-breathing KosTards and Air-America listeners are proably going to give Putin and Medvedev every benefit of the doubt while blaming the situation in Ossetia on Bush/Haliburton/Cheney/ExxonMobil/McCain etc....

This was the very first thing that I heard about this war. Posted on a site having to do with tomatoes.

419 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:34:47am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

What we should be asking is, "Why did they think it was important to off Solzhenitsyn before they made their move? Thats gotta be key ...

420 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:35:52am

No resources to speak of, but it's a pivotal tranist point for pipelines from the Caucases....

421 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:37:11am

re: #420 Fenway_Nation

None they're letting us know about, anyway ...

422 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:38:01am

What the hell is the friggin use? - Iran, EU agree to hold fresh nuclear talks

We do all realize we've allowed the EU and Mullah's to trample over so many red-lines, the next step backwards is, 'GOING DOWN! NEXT STOP, HELL. No Water, No Bathrooms!

423 littleoldlady  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:38:43am

re: #419 Temujin

What we should be asking is, "Why did they think it was important to off Solzhenitsyn before they made their move? Thats gotta be key ...

WOW. You're good!

424 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:40:10am

re: #414 Fenway_Nation

They're blaming the Joooooooz for it too!

425 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:40:11am

re: #418 galloping granny

Tomatoes? Weren't we discussing how seeds spread earlier?

I think I can one-up that. There was a YouTube video of news reports from the American visitor stabbed to death by a Chinese man in Beijing. The comments ranged from "Thanks, neocons" to conspiracy theories that this would give the Bush White House the pretext to invade.....China.

/am stupider for having read some of those.

426 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:40:56am

re: #422 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Now, now, Hoo-Hoo! These issues need to be explored thoroughly before we do anything rash ...

427 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:43:18am

re: #425 Fenway_Nation

Tomatoes? Weren't we discussing how seeds spread earlier?

I think I can one-up that. There was a YouTube video of news reports from the American visitor stabbed to death by a Chinese man in Beijing. The comments ranged from "Thanks, neocons" to conspiracy theories that this would give the Bush White House the pretext to invade.....China.

/am stupider for having read some of those.

Some people are just so entirely stupid their two functional brain cells only connect in their crotch. They could not draw a breath if breathing wasn't on auto pilot.

428 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:47:33am

re: #425 Fenway_Nation


/am stupider for having read some of those.

Nothing new about this phenomenon.

“He is not only dull himself, he is the cause of dullness in others.” -- Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

429 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:49:28am

Good morning Lizards.
Nice day for a cold war.

430 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:50:39am

So, I read over at HotAir that the leftards are accusing John McCain of plagiarizing Wiki in the statement re Georgia he issued yesterday. I guess they have not noticed the distinct "similarities" between Obama's infamous speech on race and various other extremely well known speeches from American history, including the Gettysburg Address.

/idiots.

431 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:55:50am

re: #430 galloping granny

Hadn't you heard? The O-man was Lincoln in a previous incarnation ...

/

432 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:57:39am

Y'know....I went to Yankee Stadium on the 4th of July this year. During the 7th inning, there was a lengthy rain delay. It started out OK, with Sinatra songs playing over the stadium PA system for the first few minutes.

Then it went downhill from there. It was non-stop Yankeeography on the jumbotron and PA system, which in and of itself wouldn't be so bad, but it was narrarated by pretentious douchebag and occasional Yankee broadcaster John Stirling.

Keep in mind this is an hour and 20 minute rain delay wer're talking about. The whole time I was thinking 'Am I being punished? Did I die and wind up in hell without knowing it?'. You see, were it not for the Red Sox coming back to take the lead, I would've been convinced I was in hell....or at least the low-rent district of purgatory.

But now I've caught a glimpse of hell on earth. Just the mere thought of it is enough to drive any lizard insane. With that in mind, click on the link at your own peril.

433 Tigger2005  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:59:53am

I'm not completely sure this is a matter of lack of courage. I think it's more a case of needing to re-learn how to deal with the aggressive Russian bear. The Russians got away with a hell of a lot before we developed a counter-strategy of aggressive confrontation. Could that strategy have led to nuclear war? Possibly, but letting the Russians rampage unchecked would CERTAINLY have led to nuclear war eventually.

Reagan observed that when you confronted the Russians firmly, they eventually backed down (yes, that just means they're waiting for another day or another decade). It actually seems like it would take LESS courage to follow Reagan's strategy, since we know it works, whereas it takes insane, foolhardy courage to follow the strategy of waffling and appeasement, as history has shown over and over, leads almost inevitably to disaster.

We are letting the Russians and their nukes scare us too much. We took far, far more provocative actions against a nuclear-armed Soviet Union and we're still here. Stand unequivocably for Georgia and pour in the weapons they need, and Russia would most likely back off.

434 laZardo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:00:10am

re: #432 Fenway_Nation

...Ron Reagan?

435 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:07:37am

re: #434 laZardo

I'm looking at the itinerary....it goes from Tampa to Cancun and then onto Belieze. Good lord....a ship full of 'progressives' who swore up and down they were leaving the country if Bush got re-elected? With the cosialist island prison paradise known as Cuba only a few nautical miles away!?

Am I the only one who sees the opportunity here?

436 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:09:18am

re: #432 Fenway_Nation

Y'know....I went to Yankee Stadium on the 4th of July this year.

Are you a traitor? Psychotic? A victim of post partum depression?
/You didn't wear your hat did you? That would have been suicide!

437 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:11:48am

re: #432 Fenway_Nation

How very green of them! They are charging carbon offsets for the cruise and collecting $33 per tree to reforest an area "devastated" by mud slides somewhere along the cruise path.

438 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:13:30am

re: #436 galloping granny

I wore my Red Sox hat and jersey in the cheap seats in the House That Ruth Built Epstein Demolished and was taunting the MFY fans to no end....to the point of starting a sarcastic "Lets go Knickerbockers!" cheer during the rain delay when some MFY fans tried goading me by bringing up Superbowl 41....

439 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:15:11am

re: #437 galloping granny

Green and Peachy!

/Aren't the new $10 and $20 bills more of a peach color?

440 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:17:53am

re: #437 galloping granny

How very clever of them. How often does this place get hit by devastating mudslides, we wonders? Yearly, at a minimum?

"And then, we'll just plant some more trees!"

/Ka-ching !

441 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:20:18am

I can see Charles using the threat of an Air America cruise to keep unruly lizards in line.

/"You behave yourselves or we'll toss your scaly behind on a boat with Al Franken, Randi Rhodes and a thousand unshaven moonbats and put you out to sea!"

442 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:22:10am

re: #438 Fenway_Nation

I wore my Red Sox hat and jersey in the cheap seats in the House That Ruth Built Epstein Demolished and was taunting the MFY fans to no end....to the point of starting a sarcastic "Lets go Knickerbockers!" cheer during the rain delay when some MFY fans tried goading me by bringing up Superbowl 41....

I am surprised that you managed to survive to tell the tale! Surely you would not have done in a NY hat in Boston. (I nearly got killed one year when I won a $500 bet that the Sox would not win the series - yet one more time.)

443 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:23:20am

re: #441 Fenway_Nation

I'm pretty sure that would be a pretty significant violation of the Geneva Conventions ...

/bbl -

444 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:23:37am

re: #439 Fenway_Nation

Green and Peachy!

/Aren't the new $10 and $20 bills more of a peach color?

In the middle, yes. And now that the government has just finished redesigning them, we must pay to redesign them again almost immediately because some court ruled that US money is discriminatory against blind people.

445 Fenway_Nation  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:28:28am

re: #442 galloping granny

I'd say the crowd was close to half Red Sox fans before the rain delay. It was my last opportunity to see the Red Sox play in the ballpark where the greatest comeback in all of baseball was sealed.

During the All-Star game, I was morbidly wondering what kind of charges and detonators they'd be using to bing down the House that Ruth Built Lucchino Wrecked.

446 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:32:15am

Pali Work Axis-dent: Gaza tunnel collapse kills three

That's it? Lousy tunnel.

447 Caboose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:33:08am

This ought to be good...

448 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:38:39am

re: #445 Fenway_Nation

I'd say the crowd was close to half Red Sox fans before the rain delay. It was my last opportunity to see the Red Sox play in the ballpark where the greatest comeback in all of baseball was sealed.

During the All-Star game, I was morbidly wondering what kind of charges and detonators they'd be using to bing down the House that Ruth Built Lucchino Wrecked.

Sounds like fun :)

449 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:39:55am

Looking for an advanced degee in IED's, EFP's or just plain killing infidels and joooo's? Newspeak Newsweak Newsweek has the university for you: Iran home to one of world's best universities

One of the best universities of the world is in Iran, the Newsweek weekly said in its latest edition, referring to Iran's Sharif University of Science and Technology.

Vunderbar.

450 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:40:20am

re: #447 Caboose

This ought to be good...

I saw that Cindy had qualified to run against Pelosi a couple of days ago. I'm tempted to send her some $ - it would be nice to see Queen Pelosi dethroned.

451 Caboose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:45:13am

re: #450 galloping granny

I saw that Cindy had qualified to run against Pelosi a couple of days ago. I'm tempted to send her some $ - it would be nice to see Queen Pelosi dethroned.

Agreed. I'd love to see her split the moonbat vote in her district and let someone a bit more conservative be voted in (yeah, right; where are you gonna find enough conservatives in THAT district?!?).

Send ol' Blinky back to make wine with her millionaire husband (do we know what name they sell their wine under? Old Pee Lousey?

452 Ms. Missive  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:48:56am

Oh China. We know you try so hard... but...

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

453 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:49:49am

re: #451 Caboose

Agreed. I'd love to see her split the moonbat vote in her district and let someone a bit more conservative be voted in (yeah, right; where are you gonna find enough conservatives in THAT district?!?).

Send ol' Blinky back to make wine with her millionaire husband (do we know what name they sell their wine under? Old Pee Lousey?

Does Pelosi make wine? I don't drink California wine so I know virtually nothing about it. My style runs more to German, Italian, some from South America. . . . and Hungarian Bull's Blood when you can lay hands on it.

454 songbird  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:58:12am

Good morning Lizards!

The kids arrived back at school yesterday and the 6th graders are surprisingly polite and delightful!