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Another Major Endorsement for Obama

Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 12:38:35 pm PDT

The Communist Party USA says that Barack Obama may not be the perfect Stalinist they’ve been hoping for, but he is a stepping stone to the new socialist utopia: CPUSA Online - Editorial: Eye on the Prize.

Barack Obama is not a left candidate. This fact has seemingly surprised a number of progressive people who are bemoaning Obama’s “shift to the center.” (Right-wingers are happy to join them, suggesting Obama is a “flip-flopper.”) It’s sad that some who seek progressive change are missing the forest for the trees. But they will not dampen the wide and deep enthusiasm for blocking a third Bush term represented by John McCain, or for bringing Obama by a landslide into the White House with a large Democratic congressional majority.

A broad multiclass, multiracial movement is converging around Obama’s “Hope, change and unity” campaign because they see in it the thrilling opportunity to end 30 years of ultra-right rule and move our nation forward with a broadly progressive agenda.

This diverse movement combines a variety of political currents and aims in a working coalition that is crucial to social progress at this point. At the core are America’s working families, of all hues and ethnicities, whose determination to move forward does not depend on, and will not be diverted by, the daily twists and turns of this watershed presidential campaign. They are taking the long view. ...

If Obama’s candidacy represented nothing more than the spark for this profound initiative to unite the working class and defeat the pernicious influence of racism, it would be a transformative candidacy that would advance progressive politics for the long term.

The struggle to defeat the ultra-right and turn our country on a positive path will not end with Obama’s election. But that step will shift the ground for successful struggles going forward.

One thing is clear. None of the people’s struggles — from peace to universal health care to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street — will advance if McCain wins in November.

Let’s keep our eyes on the prize.

(Hat tip: jcm.)

Also, at Barack Obama’s official campaign blog site: Barack Obama | The Socialist Party. With a nice picture of Leon Trotsky.

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1 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:40:19pm

Wow. What a shock.

/s

2 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:40:31pm

Ooh, I sure hope this gets even more attention than Stormfront's endorsement of Ron Paul...

3 DistantThunder  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:40:46pm

Commercial: Why would the communist party endorse Obama?
Let us count the reasons:

1-50
.......

4 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:40:53pm

Did they also contact Gus Hall, via Ouija board?

5 Wilderstad  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:41:13pm

Bwahahaha. Barack's communist leanings are obvious even to the clueless.

6 joncelli  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:41:31pm

Just give the Obamessiah a Stalin mustache and he's good to go.

7 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:41:54pm

Obama my maaannnnnn!

8 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:42:29pm
None of the Socialists people’s struggles — from peace to universal health care to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street — will advance if McCain wins in November.


fixed

9 yma o hyd  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:42:32pm

re: #6 joncelli

Just give the Obamessiah a Stalin mustache and he's good to go.

Moustache or not - Stalin would have eaten him alive.

10 cygnus  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:42:36pm

When this gets out to the MSM (if it ever does), he can kiss POTUS bye-bye. Schadenfreude!

11 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:43:03pm

re: #4 Ward Cleaver

Did they also contact Gus Hall, via Ouija board?

I heard it was George Lincoln Rockwell.

12 uncle_monkey  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:44:06pm
...30 years of ultra-right rule and move our nation forward with a broadly progressive agenda...

Sooo, Jimmy and Billy fall under ultra right?

Wow.

13 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:44:14pm

re: #11 Bob in Breckenridge

I heard it was George Lincoln Rockwell.

Oh crap, he was a nazi, not a commie.

14 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:44:28pm

re: #6 joncelli

Just give the Obamessiah a Stalin mustache and he's good to go.

And a cool hat like Uncle Joe's.

15 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:44:33pm

Posted this earlier, it ties in nicely to the endorsement.

VOIGHT: My concerns for America

Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people.

Jon Voight is right on target with this.

16 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:44:40pm

They recognize their own when they see it, but they lie when they claim he isn't leftist. They are brazen enough to endorse, but still must keep up the pretense that Obama isn't one of them.

17 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:45:03pm

Comrade !

Let's hope Mr. McCain uses this fact in one of his ads soon.

18 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:45:43pm

Soviet victory!

19 mossley  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:45:56pm

Like anyone here didn't see this one coming. They sure weren't going to endorse McCain.

20 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:46:37pm

re: #12 uncle_monkey

Sooo, Jimmy and Billy fall under ultra right?

Wow.

And the Dem controlled congress for most of the past 3 decades.

It is easy to say that "to them these folks appear ultra right," but I think it is more a case of lying by the left, pretending for the viewers at home, that Dems aren't socialists, than just a case of extreme perspective.

21 gymnast  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:46:43pm

CP-USA, Obama's base within the Democrat party!

22 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:47:18pm

re: #9 yma o hyd

Moustache or not - Stalin would have eaten him alive.

I think Stalin would have had him shot for being uppity. Stalin had a lot of people shot for being uppity - and that is not a metaphor.

23 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:47:37pm

I sure the liked the good old days when the communist party was basically illegal. Does that make me a right wing racist bastard?

24 P. Aaron  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:47:50pm

The Commies are complaining, two steps forward, 1/2 a step back.

25 BackwardsBoy  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:47:53pm

If John McCain had any political moxie, this would be the subject of his next Internet ad.

26 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:02pm

Pardon my ignorance, but the COmmunist Party was never banned in the US?

27 willowone  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:07pm

babes do it, unions do it, even communist parties do it, they do it cause they're in love , obama in halo.

28 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:13pm

That locks up BHO's support for Russia.

29 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:20pm

First George Clooney & now the CPUSA - it's quite a day for the Obamessiah!

30 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:29pm

re: #25 BackwardsBoy

Yeah. Tomorrow.

31 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:45pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

Pardon my ignorance, but the COmmunist Party was never banned in the US?

Freedom Freedom Freedom!

32 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:48:57pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

Pardon my ignorance, but the COmmunist Party was never banned in the US?

What are you, a McCarthyist?
////

33 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:49:28pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

Pardon my ignorance, but the COmmunist Party was never banned in the US?

I don't think so, but in the 1950's you didn't exactly go around announcing your membership. Not if you wanted to work.

34 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:49:30pm

Does this mean that Obama can safely move back to the left after this endorsement from the Communist Party USA?

35 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:49:36pm

Obammunism.

36 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:49:40pm

Come to Papa, Do! Get in touch with your roots. They know who will best advance "progressive" communism--if not Putin in Georgia.

37 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:49:57pm

re: #32 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What are you, a McCarthyist?
////

Probably.

38 Pyroskank  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:50:20pm

If it looks like a commie, walks like a commie, and sounds like a commie, chances are...

39 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:50:23pm

re: #29 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm completely SHOCKED that clooney would support obama. He's like sooo smarmy, I mean smart, and he is like, the coolest old dude in the whole world.

40 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:50:24pm

re: #33 Nevergiveup

I don't think so, but in the 1950's you didn't exactly go around announcing your membership. Not if you wanted to work.

Sort of like being a conservative in Hollywood today.

Effen hypocrites.

41 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:50:36pm

re: #38 Pyroskank

If it looks like a commie, walks like a commie, and sounds like a commie, chances are...

Duck?

42 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:51:00pm
Barack Obama is not a left candidate.

Stop it, commies, yer killin' me.

43 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:51:11pm

More commies/marxists in american univeristies than in any post commie countrie and the more upper class the school the more marxist they have on there staff. almost a one for one relationship.

44 Eowyn2  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:51:12pm

re: #38 Pyroskank

If it looks like a commie, walks like a commie, and sounds like a commie, chances are...


its a progressive

45 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:51:20pm

re: #32 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

What are you, a McCarthyist?
////

Somebody should remind Caroline Kennedy who's uncle worked for McCarthy, and who's Grandfather funded him?

46 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:51:52pm

re: #45 Nevergiveup

Somebody should remind Caroline Kennedy who's uncle worked for McCarthy, and who's Grandfather funded him?

Obama?!?!?

47 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:52:00pm

re: #46 Ben Hur

Obama?!?!?

just kidding/.

48 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:52:14pm

re: #26 Ben Hur

Pardon my ignorance, but the COmmunist Party was never banned in the US?

See "Amendment, First".

We got Nazis, too. You want Klansmen? We got Klansmen.

49 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:52:31pm

re: #46 Ben Hur

Obama?!?!?

Bobby was an aid and Joe the bootlegger backed him.

50 tshup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:53:08pm

Another shocking supporter for Obama! Bet this doesn't make the Big Three news this evening. His ties to the commies goes way back and is getting more and more internet-blog coverage. Watch and listen and you will see all the propaganda, just like during the Cold War. His popularity among the youngest of eleigible voters is a direct reflection of the piss poor education our children have received, regarding world history, over the past 30+years, if they went to public schools and almost any civilian college in this country.
Unfortunately, many of our military schools of higher learning have been infiltrated by career leftist administraters (civilians), and a smattering of flag officers during the same period. Check around!

51 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:53:49pm

re: #22 Eowyn2

I think Stalin would have had him shot for being uppity. Stalin had a lot of people shot for being uppity - and that is not a metaphor.

At a meeting people clapped until he sat down and stopped them.

If someone stopped clapping before he did.

A suicide note and 3 bullets in the head.

52 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:54:02pm

re: #35 Ben Hur

Obammunism.

lo

53 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:54:45pm

re: #48 Occasional Reader

See "Amendment, First".

We got Nazis, too. You want Klansmen? We got Klansmen.

We now know, after the Soviet archives were opened up, that the CPUSA was 100% owned & operated out of Moscow. If that could have been proven without a doubt in the 1950s, would it have been legal to outlaw the CPUSA?

54 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:54:57pm

re: #51 ibmkeyboard

At a meeting people clapped until he sat down and stopped them.

If someone stopped clapping before he did.

A suicide note and 3 bullets in the head.

And that was for party members and people he liked!

55 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:56:24pm

re: #52 ibmkeyboard

lo

THere's also Islammunism.

You know, the guys who think that they can use Islam to bring down the US and then convert them all to Atheist commies in rainbow land.

56 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:56:27pm

I denounce the imperialist 'editorial board' of some 3rd rate web site for claiming to speak for the proletariat masses. There can be only one voice for the revolution:

The People's Cube

57 calcajun  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:56:42pm

And we're surprised how?

I have this eerie feeling that he would try to do to this country what Mugabe did to Rhodesia...er, Zimbabwe. I am not implying that he's be some sort of "president for life" dictator, but that his economic policies would beggar this country.

58 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:57:02pm

re: #48 Occasional Reader

See "Amendment, First".

We got Nazis, too. You want Klansmen? We got Klansmen.


OK.

59 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:57:08pm

Will the Democrat Party please change their name to the Official Socialist Party. Just for clarity and honesty. Thanks.

The old democrat party of JFK is dead.

60 ibmkeyboard  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:57:18pm

re: #54 Nevergiveup

And that was for party members and people he liked!

his mother.

ha

61 Pyroskank  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:57:21pm

re: #41 Ben Hur

Duck?

You just said the secret woid!

::A communist duck with a mustache, eyeglasses and a cigar in its bill drops from the ceiling to give you 100 rubels::

62 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:57:52pm

re: #15 jorline

Posted this earlier, it ties in nicely to the endorsement.

VOIGHT: My concerns for America

Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people.

Jon Voight is right on target with this.

Why can't we nominate Voigt?

Voigt/Bolton '08!

63 Alouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:58:22pm

re: #33 Nevergiveup

I don't think so, but in the 1950's you didn't exactly go around announcing your membership. Not if you wanted to work.

Pete Seeger is still pissed he was never invited to sing on "Hootenanny"

64 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:58:27pm

re: #62 Ward Cleaver

Why can't we nominate Voigt?

Voigt/Bolton '08!

"We need more special days... like Jon Voight Day!"
/George Costanza

65 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:58:40pm

Obammies mommy was a commie.

66 Ford_Prefect  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:58:50pm

re: #59 FrogMarch

Will the Democrat Party please change their name to the Official Socialist Party. Just for clarity and honesty. Thanks.

The old democrat party of JFK is dead.

Actually the Republican party has become the Democratic Party.

67 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:59:26pm

My only Hope™ is that Obama is more of a narcissist than a Marxist. He's certainly both, but I think he is more "me special! bow to me!" than a true believer in the Marxist agenda. Meaning he'll bend when it hurts his poll numbers.

68 DeafDog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 12:59:41pm

re: #62 Ward Cleaver

Why can't we nominate Voigt?

Voigt/Bolton '08!

Because he is far too humble.

69 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:00:02pm

Egypt newspaper held for violating ban on Lebanese singer's killing

An editor of an Egyptian independent newspaper said he was questioned by prosecutors Tuesday for violating a government ban on publishing information on the high-profile killing of a Lebanese pop singer.

Sunday's edition of the Al-Dustour daily was barred from distribution by authorities because it included an article on arrest of an Egyptian in the slaying of singer Suzanne Tamim last month in the Gulf emirate of Dubai. The article remained on the paper's Web site.

Tamim was found stabbed and decapitated in her Dubai apartment on July 28. Her killing has been a top story in Arab media outside Egypt.

Egypt's chief prosecutor Abdel-Meguid Mahmoud imposed a ban on publication without giving any explanation, but the order came after reports in Arab media that Egyptians, including a top-level businessman, may have been involved.

This is who the liberals support over Israel.

Your tax dollars at work.

And NO, what would come next wouldn't be worse.

70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:00:03pm

Gotta go - doctor's appointment. See y'all tomorrow.

71 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:00:26pm

re: #65 maddogg

Obammies mommy was a commie.

And his daddy, too. And his friends, too.

72 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:00:37pm

WOOT!

A HT!

How many HTs to make operative?

73 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:00:40pm

re: #70 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

C-Ya!

74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:06pm

socialist utopia = totalitarian shithole

"We'll get it right this time!" - Battlecry of the Socialist

75 Pyrocles  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:30pm

So progressivism truly equals Communism. Figures...

76 lifeofthemind  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:37pm

Only slightly surprised that they lacked the self discipline to keep their traps shut until after the election. That's the big problem with fringe parties. Like criminals they can't get good help so they get stuck with the immature and dysfunctional losers who wander in the door. The old CPUSA was probably a tighter ship.

77 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:43pm

re: #67 Silhouette

My only Hope™ is that Obama is more of a narcissist than a Marxist. He's certainly both, but I think he is more "me special! bow to me!" than a true believer in the Marxist agenda. Meaning he'll bend when it hurts his poll numbers.

Well it comes down to this. Is Obama more dangerous as a "True Believer and Fellow Traveler" or as a "Empty Vessel and Ignorant Slut"?

78 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:01:46pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

socialist utopia = totalitarian shithole

"We'll get it right this time!" - Battlecry of the Socialist

What's a few more eggs?

79 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:02:10pm

re: #67 Silhouette

My only Hope™ is that Obama is more of a narcissist than a Marxist. He's certainly both, but I think he is more "me special! bow to me!" than a true believer in the Marxist agenda. Meaning he'll bend when it hurts his poll numbers.

My only Hope™ is that a year from now, Obama's career consists mostly of doing Viagra™ commercials. Let's make it happen.

80 baxtrice  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:05pm

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and John Adams are not happy with this..

81 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:06pm

re: #78 jcm

What's a few more eggs?

Okay, another 100 million eggs. But who's counting?

82 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:28pm

today we are Georgians

83 red131  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:31pm

Obama has attended the John Edwards "I Believe I'm Special" school of hubris. I would just like to know who is pulling this puppet's strings.

84 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:32pm

re: #62 Ward Cleaver

Why can't we nominate Voigt?

Voigt/Bolton '08!

Is Voight's message crystal clear or what? Maybe there's hope for Bollywood...I'm afraid he will be black-balled though.

85 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:40pm

I'm waiting for the mask on the Democratic Party to finally fall off, like a rotten piece of flayed flesh, and expose them for what they are deep down, communists.

86 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:03:53pm

re: #79 Occasional Reader

My only Hope™ is that a year from now, Obama's career consists mostly of doing Viagra™ commercials. Let's make it happen.

If cigarette ads were still on TV, he could be the spokesman for Kools.

87 chicagodudewhotrades  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:04:10pm

re: #79 Occasional Reader

I hope that he is a 1-term senator and goes on to hosting Air America or something. Lets make that happen.

88 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:04:20pm

re: #76 lifeofthemind

Only slightly surprised that they lacked the self discipline to keep their traps shut until after the election. That's the big problem with fringe parties. Like criminals they can't get good help so they get stuck with the immature and dysfunctional losers who wander in the door. The old CPUSA was probably a tighter ship.

The old CPUSA had handlers, with instructions from Moscow.

89 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:04:50pm

re: #81 Ward Cleaver

Okay, another 100 million eggs. But who's counting?

Utopia, worth any price.

90 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:05:39pm

re: #82 yochanan

today we are Georgians

The Devil (Putin) Went Down To Georgia.

/with apologies to charlie daniels

91 calcajun  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:05:49pm

re: #86 Ward Cleaver

How about Virginia Slims. Ooops, wrong gender.

92 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:06:08pm

So Obama has the endorsement of Hamas, Hugo Chavez, and the CPUSA.

We need to keep a nice running list.

93 Vergeltung  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:06:22pm

re: #84 jorline

Is Voight's message crystal clear or what? Maybe there's hope for Bollywood...I'm afraid he will be black-balled though.

Yeah, Ron Silver's carreer did not exactly blossum after he supported the Prez in the WoT after 9/11.

the hypocrisy boggles.

94 calcajun  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:06:36pm

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What's the definition of insanity?

95 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:06:43pm

re: #86 Ward Cleaver

If cigarette ads were still on TV, he could be the spokesman for Kools.

I also think he'd be a shoo-in to play "Linc" in a remake of "The Mod Squad". See? We've got a pretty good Obama post-election career list already up and running.

96 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:06:54pm

Truce, Hamas style

This is what Hamas TV is airing for kids during summer

97 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:07:45pm

Wow, the Marxists endorsed the marxist, big shocka

98 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:08:02pm

re: #95 Occasional Reader

I also think he'd be a shoo-in to play "Linc" in a remake of "The Mod Squad". See? We've got a pretty good Obama post-election career list already up and running.

He's not cool enough to play Linc.

99 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:08:24pm

re: #96 Ben Hur

Truce, Hamas style

This is what Hamas TV is airing for kids during summer

Beats reruns.

100 Bob in Breckenridge  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:08:50pm

O/T, but:

Ron Paul's wife in serious condition at hospital

HOUSTON---- The wife of Republican Rep. Ron Paul was in serious but stable condition Monday at a Houston hospital, a spokesman for the congressman said.

Carol Paul was in the critical care unit at an unidentified hospital, spokesman Jesse Benton said in a statement.

Benton would not disclose why Carol Paul was admitted to the hospital Monday, only saying ''she has had several abdominal surgeries.''

Paul ''appreciates the outpouring of concern and good wishes during this difficult time,'' Benton said.

A Texas congressman from Lake Jackson, Ron Paul was the Libertarian Party nominee for president in 1988 and ran unsuccessfully for the 2008 GOP presidential nomination. His campaign, which was a sensation on the Internet, drew support from Republicans, independents and Democrats.

101 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:02pm

re: #96 Ben Hur

Truce, Hamas style

This is what Hamas TV is airing for kids during summer

Thread worthy!

102 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:16pm

re: #94 calcajun

What's the definition of insanity?

But its not the same this time! Obama has a ten year plan, not one of those silly 5 year plans. DONT YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE!?

103 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:19pm

re: #92 Silhouette

So Obama has the endorsement of Hamas, Hugo Chavez, and the CPUSA.

We need to keep a nice running list.

McCain should put them all in a campaign ad, with quotes and references.

104 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:37pm

re: #98 Ward Cleaver

He's not cool enough to play Linc.

"Huggy Bear"? Oscar Madison? Dr. Bob Newhart?

105 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:44pm

re: #84 jorline
Hey Jorline! missed ya this morning...
The hoopster has lost somebody in our family..So after a long day of visitation.. I'm doing a little blooging..
I'll be in and out the next couple of days...
Tell dorian..there is no coffee tomarrow...:)

106 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:48pm

re: #99 Ward Cleaver

Beats reruns.

Kids what do you want to watch?
Barney or learn how to kill jooz!

107 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:09:48pm

re: #80 baxtrice

George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, Ben Franklin and John Adams are not happy with this..

* * *
So they're appearing in David Zucker's new movie "An American Carol", as the antidote to leftist anti-Americanism.

Jon Voight is in this movie as are Kelsey Grammer (may he stay healthy) and Chris Farley's brother plays a Michael Moore-type Hollywood guy.

108 baxtrice  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:10:06pm

I'm waiting for the inevitable ad "Socialism, it's what's for breakfast!" the day after the election. (if Obama is elected)

A liberal friend of mine took MAJOR offense to that little crack. I told her to read up on Obama's windfall profits tax - deliberate socialism.

109 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:10:32pm

The Israelis should be proud of themselves for the Israeli training and education received by the Georgian soldiers," Georgian Minister Temur Yakobashvili said Saturday.

Yakobashvili is a Jew and is fluent in Hebrew. "We are now in a fight against the great Russia," he said, "and our hope is to receive assistance from the White House, because Georgia cannot survive on its own.

Georgia is an ally of America AND ISRAEL.

110 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:10:44pm

re: #99 Ward Cleaver

Beats reruns.

Say what?

111 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:10:48pm

re: #88 jcm

The old CPUSA had handlers, with instructions from Moscow.

* * *
The international media refused to blame Putin, so they were just following Moscow orders!

112 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:11:03pm

Georgia suing Russian for alleged ethnic cleansing

I told you that Russia pulled the "ethnic cleansing" card out early when this thing first started.

Now "ethnic cleansing" will be diluted to mean nothing.

Or maybe it will return to what it was and really is.

The bar measuring "Ethnic cleansing" "Crimes against humanity" etc has been so lowered buy propoganda efforts, that where it's really happening or happened, gets ignored.

That's post-modernism for you.

113 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:11:34pm

re: #101 jcm

Thread worthy!


Mail it, OPERATIVE!

114 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:12:10pm

So Obama will dump Joss Stone, and switch his campaign song to The Internationale?

115 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:12:18pm

re: #113 Ben Hur

Mail it, OPERATIVE!

Did!

116 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:12:35pm

OBAMA flacks are spinning and spinning. obama fubbed the reaction to the russian war.

117 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:12:52pm

re: #106 jcm

Kids what do you want to watch?
Barney or learn how to kill jooz!

Barney on how to kill Jooooooos?

/i hate you, i kill you...

118 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:13:27pm

Nationalized Health (S)care

Close to two million older people in England may be denied treatment because depression is wrongly seen as a natural part of getting older, says a charity.
119 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:13:30pm

re: #116 yochanan

OBAMA flacks are spinning and spinning. obama fubbed the reaction to the russian war.

DAMN YOU, KARL ROVE!

You know some of them are thinking it.

120 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:13:44pm

re: #117 Ward Cleaver

Barney on how to kill Jooooooos?

/i hate you, i kill you...

LOL!

121 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:14:07pm

re: #117 Ward Cleaver

Barney on how to kill Jooooooos?

/i hate you, i kill you...

Achmed as special guest!

122 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:14:22pm

re: #116 yochanan

OBAMA flacks are spinning and spinning. obama fubbed the reaction to the russian war.

Obama didn't flub anything. He has no idea what is going on. The incompetents and ex-carter/clinton people who pull the strings flubbed it! Lets be straight here.

123 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:14:30pm

re: #96 Ben Hur

Smores are haram.

124 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:14:36pm

re: #105 HoosierHoops

Hey Jorline! missed ya this morning...
The hoopster has lost somebody in our family..So after a long day of visitation.. I'm doing a little blooging..
I'll be in and out the next couple of days...
Tell dorian..there is no coffee tomarrow...:)

I'm sorry to hear about your loss, HH. I was in and out this morning, it's been one of those days.

I will have the coffee on for dorian in the morning.

125 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:14:36pm

re: #112 Ben Hur

Like the old saying goes, "don't bring a lawsuit to a T-80 fight".

126 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:15:09pm

re: #110 jcm

Say what?

Still not cool enough to be Linc.

I remember the episode where Linc temporarily went blind.

/it's good to see you!

127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:15:18pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Like the old saying goes, "don't bring a lawsuit to a T-80 fight".

Tanks trump torts.

128 opinionated  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:15:25pm

"We are the ones we've Communist Party USA [has] been waiting for"

129 Dahveed  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:15:34pm
The struggle to defeat the ultra-right and turn our country on a positive path will not end with Obama’s election.

How long have they been struggling and achieving less than nothing? Perhaps they need to stop struggling and start finding a path that actually is satisfying.

130 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:15:36pm

Jon Voigt is truly a humble and way cool celeb....
Met him and many others at the Celeb..Open in Palm Springs Ca.in 1982....
My then girl friend was a really sharp witty blonde w/ one blue and one green eye!
Jack Nicholson and Clint Eastwood both let us have pics so long as she was on his arm!LOL or under..Clints tall!
Had a few drinks and shot the breeze on the fareway with JonV.!
A really Great American!

131 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:15:54pm

re: #125 Occasional Reader

Or like President Bush once said when asked about how the plans to fight Iraq were illegal..'well-I'll have to speak to my lawyer'.

132 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:16:14pm

Anyone checked out the link at the bottom? sp-usa.org

IP = 70.42.50.159
It appears to be part of barackobama.com

Hmmm.

133 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:16:21pm

re: #126 Ward Cleaver

WHOA!

How did Linc go blind-even temporarily?

134 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:16:31pm

I wish we could all of Russia's assets in the U.S.

/wishful thinking

135 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:17:02pm

By "the people" the commies mean themselves. Screw everyone else....which is also the point/goal.

136 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:17:19pm

re: #134 Ward Cleaver

I wish we could all of Russia's assets in the U.S.

/wishful thinking

Well Sharapova does live here.

137 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:17:32pm

re: #132 abolitionist

Get out.

138 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:17:52pm

re: #137 WriterMom

Get out.

Click it!

139 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:18:27pm

re: #133 WriterMom

WHOA!

How did Linc go blind-even temporarily?

He was spending lots of time "thinking" about Julie, and, well...

140 sojerofgod  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:18:36pm

Ultra-right rule!

Some things are beyond parody.

141 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:18:40pm

re: #132 abolitionist

Anyone checked out the link at the bottom? sp-usa.org

IP = 70.42.50.159
It appears to be part of barackobama.com

Hmmm.

UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!
///

142 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:19:28pm

re: #48 Occasional Reader

See "Amendment, First".

We got Nazis, too. You want Klansmen? We got Klansmen.

"But the so-called First Amendment is a Bourgeois Paleopatriarchal subjugational device for imparting a false consciousness upon the transracial proletariat!"

/do I have to?

143 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:19:34pm

Oh see, there you all go. The guilt through association thing.
Just beause he is endorsed by Communists, Hamas, Racists & Count Dracula means nothing .
Look for what Barack believes & that is, ah ,um, pretty much what they believe.

144 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:19:42pm

File this under: Why Israel exists!

Army Radio reported on Tuesday that over the past few days, approximately 60 Jewish families in Georgia have approached Jewish Agency representatives, who are traveling between the cities under bombardment, and asked for help in moving to Israel.

Over the next few days, these Georgians will arrive at Ben Gurion Airport to start a new life complete with absorption benefits and government aid.

According to Army Radio, 12,000 Jews still reside in Georgia.

Eli Cohen, the CEO of the Immigration and Absorption Department of the Jewish Agency, told Army Radio that, "We are offering [the prospective immigrants] a secure environment. They will receive all the help that they need."

The Jewish Agency together with the Ministry of Absorption have formulated a program facilitating the move of Georgian Jews to Israel.

[Link: www.haaretz.com...]

145 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:19:42pm

re: #139 Occasional Reader

Heh. You knew where I was heading with that...err...handing with that...

146 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:19:48pm
147 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:20:07pm
to an economy that puts Main Street before Wall Street

Since when did these commie pricks ever give two shits about "Main Street"?

148 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:20:22pm

re: #138 abolitionist

THE DREADED 404 OF BLASPHEMY!

Linky DEAD, baby.

149 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:20:33pm

re: #133 WriterMom

WHOA!

How did Linc go blind-even temporarily?

Seems like it was some kind of explosion, which miraculously didn't leave a scratch on him. At the end of the show, when his sight returned, he said, "It's good to see you, it's good to see you!"

There was a Route 66 episode where "Buz" (George Maharis) went blind, and Tod had to leave him at a Lions Club school for the blind (which was a real place, BTW), here in Texas.

150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:20:45pm

re: #140 sojerofgod

Ultra-right rule!

Some things are beyond parody.

Yes, the same "ultra right" rule that some how failed to declare all opposition political parties illegal and round up all dissidents and throw them into gulags.

That ultra right government.

151 Dianna  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:20:57pm

re: #100 Bob in Breckenridge

Poor lady. I hope she recovers.

152 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:21:11pm

re: #122 Nevergiveup

Obama didn't flub anything. He has no idea what is going on. The incompetents and ex-carter/clinton people who pull the strings flubbed it! Lets be straight here.

I think it was telling.

It shows that he and his ilk of the far right only think of the Israeli/Pali model when they hear "US foreign policy," etc.

Bear with me on this.

They way I see it, he instinctively gave the answer that they want Bush and Co to give when dealing with Israel and the Palis.

It sounded exactly like what they want and usually do hear.

Both sides this, both sides that. UN resolution, etc. International involvement.

It's become their template response to ANY conflict between nations.

He was trying to set himself up as an "honest broker" in a fight that we definately have a side in.

Like in Israel.

They are novices.

153 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:21:29pm

re: #66 Ford_Prefect

Actually the Republican party has become the Democratic Party.

The party of the ex-Democrats.

154 Dahveed  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:21:30pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Since when did these commie pricks ever give two shits about "Main Street"?

I was thinking the same exact thing. Main Street likes making money too. And aren't commies opposed to people making money?

155 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:21:31pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Commie pricks first kill everyone on Main Street, and then try to ideologically subvert Wall Street, DA!

156 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:21:53pm

A bit OT but it would be kinda fun to vote for Sister Cindy against Her Royal Hiness. Please don't tell me a vote for Cindy's a vote for Obama.

157 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:22:49pm

I mean that as a general Commie SOP-standard operating procedure.

158 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:22:59pm

OT - USDA raises corn estimates on 'ideal' weather

Global warming! Someone, please, stop the rise of the oceans and heal the land.

159 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:23:14pm

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

Ward, Ward-there is really only one way to go blind as OR already pointed out.

160 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:23:42pm

re: #146 Silhouette

OT- BP shuts down Georgian pipeline

It's only 90k barrels a day, but let's see what that does to oil prices.

161 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:23:58pm

re: #156 SFGoth

A bit OT but it would be kinda fun to vote for Sister Cindy against Her Royal Hiness. Please don't tell me a vote for Cindy's a vote for Obama.

I'd vote for Cindy over Nancy. Cindy wont get a damn thing done if elected because she's pissed off too many other people and it would get rid of Nancy.

162 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:24:27pm
163 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:24:37pm

re: #149 Ward Cleaver

I have very dim memories of "The Mod Squad", but I seem to recall an episode involving a gun-smuggling ring. At the end, as the seized guns are all being dumped into the sea (?), Julie wistfully gazes at the cargo net full 'o guns and says, "I wish all the guns in the world were in there". Now THERE'S a sentiment Obama/Linc could get behind, I'm sure.

164 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:25:23pm

re: #118 jcm

Nationalized Health (S)care

The money spent on health care for people who are going to die would be better spent on people who are not going to die.

What? At some point we're all going to die! So you're saying...

165 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:25:49pm

re: #160 Ward Cleaver

It's only 90k barrels a day, but let's see what that does to oil prices.

Speaking of.

166 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:26:28pm

re: #159 WriterMom

Ward, Ward-there is really only one way to go blind as OR already pointed out.

Every dramatic TV series has to have a the-star-goes-blind-episode, a the-star-gets-kidnapped episode, a the-star-gets-shot-and-nearly-dies episode...

167 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:26:42pm

re: #160 Ward Cleaver

It's only 90k barrels a day, but let's see what that does to oil prices.

That news has been out there for at least 4 hours. Effect? Oil drops another $1.44. Heh.

168 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:26:42pm

re: #164 Son of the Black Dog

That's horrible. Depression is not a natural consequence of aging.

169 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:26:50pm

Remember the cartoon Danish boycott by dar al islam?

Similarly, Denmark's Carlsberg A/S reported a 36 percent rise in second-quarter net profit, saying stronger sales, particularly in eastern Europe and Asia, helped offset rising costs.
170 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:27:08pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

I have very dim memories of "The Mod Squad", but I seem to recall an episode involving a gun-smuggling ring. At the end, as the seized guns are all being dumped into the sea (?), Julie wistfully gazes at the cargo net full 'o guns and says, "I wish all the guns in the world were in there". Now THERE'S a sentiment Obama/Linc could get behind, I'm sure.


"One Black, one White, one Blond.

"What's your name boy?" "Linc" 'Linc what?"
LINCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLN!

171 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:27:35pm
172 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:27:50pm

re: #169 Silhouette

That's great. But they still seem gutless in facing issues with Muslim immigration.

173 wiffersnapper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:27:51pm

We won the cold war to keep the commies out. Let's not let them back in.

174 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:28:08pm

re: #114 Ward Cleaver

So Obama will dump Joss Stone, and switch his campaign song to The Internationale?

Arise! Ye children of the trust fund!
Arise! Ye parasites!
Go forth and plunder the productive!
And slaughter the innocent!

175 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:28:16pm

re: #164 Son of the Black Dog

The money spent on health care for people who are going to die would be better spent on people who are not going to die.

What? At some point we're all going to die! So you're saying...

You have pneumonia, you're going to die.
NO PENICILLIN FOR YOU!

176 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:28:17pm

re: #156 SFGoth

A bit OT but it would be kinda fun to vote for Sister Cindy against Her Royal Hiness. Please don't tell me a vote for Cindy's a vote for Obama.

Is there a Rep. on the ballot? I'd love to see a moonbat division cause a Rep. to get voted in. Not likely, I know, but it would be gratifying.

177 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:28:22pm

re: #172 WriterMom

Did you note where the increased sales were?

178 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:28:59pm

re: #147 Occasional Reader

Since when did these commie pricks ever give two shits about "Main Street"?

* * *
When it's Main Street in Potemkin Village of course. (Wall Street Financiers are in Gulag Sector of Townsky)

179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:29:23pm

re: #175 jcm

You have pneumonia, you're going to die.
NO PENICILLIN FOR YOU!

You're gonna die anyways, no food for you!

180 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:29:32pm

re: #177 Silhouette

Yes, Europe and Asia.

181 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:29:49pm

re: #179 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Exactly.

182 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:29:52pm

re: #168 WriterMom

That's horrible. Depression is not a natural consequence of aging.

/sarc I believe.

We all going to die so what's the point of medical care?
Nationalized medicine at the extreme.
/

183 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:29:52pm

re: #163 Occasional Reader

I have very dim memories of "The Mod Squad", but I seem to recall an episode involving a gun-smuggling ring. At the end, as the seized guns are all being dumped into the sea (?), Julie wistfully gazes at the cargo net full 'o guns and says, "I wish all the guns in the world were in there". Now THERE'S a sentiment Obama/Linc could get behind, I'm sure.

There was one where Julie gets stranded in the desert with some hippie and a VW bus (maybe he kidnapped her? - see my #166) . Thirsting for water, she says, "Why don't we drain the radiator?", and the hippie says, "It's an air-cooled buggy, it don't take no water!"

184 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:30:18pm

re: #152 Ben Hur

Exactly! The Jimmy Carter Doctrine!

185 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:30:41pm

re: #170 opnion

"One Black, one White, one Blond.

"What's your name boy?" "Linc" 'Linc what?"
LINCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLN!

I thought it was, "One Black, one White, one Girl".

186 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:30:50pm

re: #182 jcm

Don't get me started.

187 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:31:28pm

re: #167 Occasional Reader

Did you get my e-mail?

188 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:31:37pm

re: #186 WriterMom

Don't get me started.

Speak into potato, comrade.

189 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:31:39pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

There was one where Julie gets stranded in the desert with some hippie and a VW bus (maybe he kidnapped her? - see my #166) . Thirsting for water, she says, "Why don't we drain the radiator?", and the hippie says, "It's an air-cooled buggy, it don't take no water!"

Yes, drink anti-freeze. It's yummy!

190 kansas  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:31:42pm

If you're a senior citizen and earn less than $50,000 a year, Barack Obama has a deal for you: a life free of federal income tax.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......sounds better all the time. Don't it?

191 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:22pm

re: #186 WriterMom

Don't get me started.

LOL! Sorry! I just love libs pointing to Canada and England as models for health care.

192 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:24pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

There was one where Julie gets stranded in the desert with some hippie and a VW bus (maybe he kidnapped her? - see my #166) . Thirsting for water, she says, "Why don't we drain the radiator?", and the hippie says, "It's an air-cooled buggy, it don't take no water!"

Wow, that's highly technically advanced for a Hollywood writer. I'm impressed.

193 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:28pm

re: #183 Ward Cleaver

There was one where Julie gets stranded in the desert with some hippie and a VW bus

Didn't pretty much everyone have that happen to them at some point in the late 60s?

194 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:30pm

re: #185 Ward Cleaver

I thought it was, "One Black, one White, one Girl".


Hmmmm, now you have sown the seeds of doubt.
I do believe that it is blond. If it's not it should be, it works better.

195 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:32pm

re: #168 WriterMom

That's horrible. Depression is not a natural consequence of aging.

It's a natural consequence of being British.

196 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:33pm

re: #189 Hard Right

Yes, drink anti-freeze. It's yummy!

Well, it tastes good, anyway.

197 Outrider  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:34pm
"Content on blogs in My.BarackObama represents the opinions of community members and in no way should be interpreted as endorsed or approved by the campaign."


I can see the reasoning for this disclaimer on a personal blog, but a Presidential candidates blog site? A candidate, like a business will be judged by the content found on that web/blog site. The presence of said commentaries lends acceptance, if not approval, of the ideas. This is a blog site geared to a specific audience, not a newspaper generally meant for consumption by the entire community.

198 DaddyO  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:41pm

Socialist Utopia, huh?

When have we heard that before?

199 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:32:56pm
200 sojerofgod  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:33:41pm

re: #127 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That thing is still a piece of crap compared to an M-1. All those boxes on the hull and turret are "reactive armor" which is to say, metal tins full of plastic explosive that are designed to disrupt the penetrating power of shaped-charge RPG or HEAT tank rounds. The work, eh, so so. Without that the tank is basically a beefed up T-72 which in gulf war I and II were deathtraps. look the battle at 73 Easting sometimes in GW-I the 2nd Armored Cavalry regiment (about 30 M-1's) wiped out a tank brigade of Iraqi armor (about 150 tanks and BMP's), with the loss of one American soldier killed and one Bradley M-3 destroyed.

Russian equipment is not so great, but you have to be sure to bring enough ammo when you go, cuz there is one helluva a lot of them.

201 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:33:43pm

re: #196 Ward Cleaver

Well, it tastes good, anyway.

So you did serve in the Soviet Army... I always suspected it!

202 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:33:51pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

UP DING A RAMA!

{tfk}

203 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:33:55pm

re: #193 Occasional Reader

Did you get my link on the Olympic thread?

204 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:34:09pm

re: #198 DaddyO

Socialist Utopia, huh?

When have we heard that before?

Kool-Aid!

/obama breaks through wall, in kool-aid costume

205 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:34:10pm

re: #195 The Other Les

No that's bad teeth.

206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:34:35pm

Are the Kossaks and HuffPos heads exploding yet?

Mukasey Won’t Pursue Charges in Hiring Inquiry

WASHINGTON — Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Tuesday rejected the idea of criminally prosecuting former Justice Department employees who improperly used political litmus tests in hiring decisions, saying he had already taken strong internal steps in response to a “painful” episode.

Two recent reports from the Justice Department inspector general and its internal ethics office have found that about a half-dozen officials at the Justice Department — all but one now gone — systematically rejected candidates with perceived “liberal” backgrounds for what were supposed to be non-political jobs and sought out conservative Republicans.

In a speech Tuesday morning to the American Bar Association in New York, Mr. Mukasey acknowledged that some critics and commentators have called on the Justice Department to take what he called “more drastic steps” in dealing with the scandal, including prosecuting those at fault and firing those hired through flawed procedures.

“Where there is enough evidence to charge someone with a crime, we vigorously prosecute,” he said. “But not every wrong, or even every violation of the law, is a crime,” he said. As the inspector general’s report acknowledged, the hiring violations were such a case, because the wrongdoing violated federal civil service law, but not criminal law, he said.

207 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:35:00pm

re: #203 jcm

Did you get my link on the Olympic thread?

I did. No ifs, ands, or _____ about it.

208 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:35:07pm

re: #191 jcm

They think Cuba is a great model, too. You can't get a fucking aspirin in Cuba-or a toothbrush, but it's paradise alright.

209 sojerofgod  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:35:12pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There have been days that I wished we could give those rat-bastards what they think we want to do with them, you know;
Put them all in camps.

That is surely what they would do to us, if given the chance.

210 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:35:29pm

re: #168 WriterMom

That's horrible. Depression is not a natural consequence of aging.

Sorry, I thought the last line obviated the need for a sarc tag.
No one has more empathy for depression sufferers than I do.

211 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:35:30pm
212 Aylios  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:35:51pm

re: #15 jorlineThat's an awesome article jorline. One could quote every paragraph but I guess this is the most salient point.

If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before
213 DontTread  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:07pm

More at the Obama website (read it for humor value):

[Link: my.barackobama.com...]

Source:

[Link: www.magdeburgerjoe.com...]

214 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:14pm

re: #207 Occasional Reader

I did. No ifs, ands, or _____ about it.

LOL! Wanted to make sure.....

215 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:21pm

re: #210 Son of the Black Dog

Oh I got it, just the idea of people thinking that is so awful.

216 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:50pm

re: #206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are the Kossaks and HuffPos heads exploding yet?

Mukasey Won’t Pursue Charges in Hiring Inquiry

* * *
John Edwards' campaign probably wishes they'd been more conservative and hadn't "hired" the new-age moonbat lefty filmaker with a made up name of Rielle Hunter~!

217 WriterMom  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:55pm

re: #214 jcm

Wow.

Butt envy is me.

218 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:36:55pm

re: #208 WriterMom

They think Cuba is a great model, too. You can't get a fucking aspirin in Cuba-or a toothbrush, but it's paradise alright.

But, but Micheal Moore said.......

219 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:37:10pm

re: #196 Ward Cleaver

Well, it tastes good, anyway.

Who needs eyesight?
Russian soldier trick---put shoe polish on bread and place it in the sun. When the alcohol separates out, eat the bread it soaked into.

220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:37:32pm

re: #200 sojerofgod

That thing is still a piece of crap compared to an M-1. All those boxes on the hull and turret are "reactive armor" which is to say, metal tins full of plastic explosive that are designed to disrupt the penetrating power of shaped-charge RPG or HEAT tank rounds. The work, eh, so so. Without that the tank is basically a beefed up T-72 which in gulf war I and II were deathtraps. look the battle at 73 Easting sometimes in GW-I the 2nd Armored Cavalry regiment (about 30 M-1's) wiped out a tank brigade of Iraqi armor (about 150 tanks and BMP's), with the loss of one American soldier killed and one Bradley M-3 destroyed.

Russian equipment is not so great, but you have to be sure to bring enough ammo when you go, cuz there is one helluva a lot of them.

A M-1 can no doubt eat one for a light snack. I would still give it the edge over a lawyer with a "cease and desist" order.

221 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:37:35pm

re: #216 alegrias

* * *
John Edwards' campaign probably wishes they'd been more conservative and hadn't "hired" the new-age moonbat lefty filmaker with a made up name of Rielle Hunter~!

It wasn't the hiring that was the problem.
It was the subsequent swelling.

222 Charles  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:37:57pm

If you haven't seen it yet, "La Russophobe" (Kim Zigfeld) is answering the pro-Russian commenters who have been misrepresenting his (her?) posts about the Discovery Institute's Russia Blog, in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

223 cygnus  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:38:15pm

re: #133 WriterMom

WHOA!

How did Linc go blind-even temporarily?

Ahem.....

224 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:38:39pm

re: #211 rawmuse

Trotsky would approve!

"Russian Army works to reduce the total number of carbon footprints!"

/Gaianist moonbat

225 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:38:51pm

re: #156 SFGoth

between a commie (shehag) and liberal (piglose) and if there were republican running i would eather vote no or hold my nose and vote donk as bad as the donk is the commie is worse and i would only do that if i thought the commie had a chance to win. if there were no republican running i would vote for the MOUSE you know mickey

226 Outrider  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:39:07pm

re: #206 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Are the Kossaks and HuffPos heads exploding yet?

Mukasey Won’t Pursue Charges in Hiring Inquiry


Would this be anything like the Clintons dismissing the travel office employees when "they" took office and replacing them with their (Clinton) people?

227 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:39:07pm

re: #224 The Other Les

"Russian Army works to reduce the total number of carbon footprints!"

/Gaianist moonbat

By creating carbon scorch marks?

228 jorline  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:39:08pm

re: #212 Aylios

That's an awesome article jorline. One could quote every paragraph but I guess this is the most salient point.

amen...Voight voiced this concern as well as any talking head in the Republican Party.

Key note speaker at the convention? I'd love to see it.

229 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:05pm

re: #219 Hard Right

Who needs eyesight?
Russian soldier trick---put shoe polish on bread and place it in the sun. When the alcohol separates out, eat the bread it soaked into.

Victor Belinko, the Sov pilot who flew the Mig-25 into Japan 30 years ago wrote about the ground crews drinking the de-icing fluid. Russia's top of the line fighter couldn't have gotten off the ground during the winter because they wouldn't have been able to de-ice.

230 Pyrocles  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:16pm

Because everyone is equally deprived of aspirin and toothbrushes! The elimination of jealousy and class envy by enforced poverty for all! Marx was so brilliant!

re: #208 WriterMom

They think Cuba is a great model, too. You can't get a fucking aspirin in Cuba-or a toothbrush, but it's paradise alright.

231 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:24pm

re: #184 Nevergiveup

Exactly! The Jimmy Carter Doctrine!


Shit.

You're right.

I didn't have to effen type so much.

232 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:27pm

re: #224 The Other Les

"Russian Army works to reduce the total number of carbon footprints!"

/Gaianist moonbat

* * *
Well sure Putin's tanks were very green this past week--they didn't burn up as much fuel as we did waiting for the world's permission to do a GOOD THING.

233 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:31pm

re: #216 alegrias

* * *
John Edwards' campaign probably wishes they'd been more conservative and hadn't "hired" the new-age moonbat lefty filmaker with a made up name of Rielle Hunter~!

I've heard her name pronounced "Riley", and "REE-ell". Which is it?

234 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:40:49pm

re: #224 The Other Les

I like the page called "The Current Truth" (subject to change without notice).
The guy that created that site is a stitch. I think he is Soviet ex-pat, now living in the US. He knows... he knows.

235 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:41:03pm

re: #222 Charles

If you haven't seen it yet, "La Russophobe" (Kim Zigfeld) is answering the pro-Russian commenters who have been misrepresenting his (her?) posts about the Discovery Institute's Russia Blog, in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

New thread?

236 cygnus  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:41:17pm

re: #175 jcm

You have pneumonia, you're going to die.
NO PENICILLIN FOR YOU!

Penicillin Nazi!

237 Pullus Iulius  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:41:36pm

Back in the 90s we used to say that the biggest difference between my town and Moscow was that my town still had communists running around. I'm glad to see that the CPUSA is as irrelevant as ever, still operating out of a shoebox. They do have a sharp eye for fellow travelers, however. They've certainly got one in BO.

238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:41:43pm

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

I've heard her name pronounced "Riley", and "REE-ell". Which is it?

I like Deceiver.com name for her, Kookoo Nuttingham III

239 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:42:05pm

re: #226 Outrider

Would this be anything like the Clintons dismissing the travel office employees when "they" took office and replacing them with their (Clinton) people?

* * *
Or Clinton firing ALL the existing attorney generals at once as he did when he took office? No, that wasn't partisan at all! /sarc

240 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:42:55pm

This just dawned on me:

IF BARUCH ISN'T FAR ENOUGH LEFT FOR THE CPUSA, WHY DON'T THEY ENDORSE NADER?

241 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:00pm

I wish the Georgians had M-1s.

242 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:15pm

re: #235 The Other Les

New thread?

Go down to 784 on the thread.

243 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:18pm
244 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:56pm

re: #215 WriterMom

Oh I got it, just the idea of people thinking that is so awful.

Yet, care rationing seems to be the norm in Britain, Canada, etc. Whether explicitly or by making people wait a long time for things that we consider routine care (MRI, etc).

245 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:43:57pm

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

I've heard her name pronounced "Riley", and "REE-ell". Which is it?

* * *
Don't know & don't care! Fake blonde, fake name, perfect for the fake man.

246 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:44:35pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

In these land transfer things, some people tend not to live up to their end of the bargain.

Consider the great Muslim/Hindu partitioning of Ghandi's time. Leaving us with Pakistan (Muslim 97%) and India (Hindu 80.5%, Muslim 13.4%). Doesn't sound like they transferred equally - or rather than one set left, and the other set stayed right where they were. Consider also Israel, and notice how many Jews left the many Islamic nations compared with all the Arabs that continue to live in Israel-proper, with full voting rights. We'd end up giving up Israel but the Dems wouldn't leave.

247 cygnus  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:44:52pm

re: #217 WriterMom

Wow.

Butt envy is me.

No cracks about that now.

248 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:44:54pm

re: #238 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I like Deceiver.com name for her, Kookoo Nuttingham III

She really is a nut. Perfect compliment to a tight-ass like Edwards. Reminds me of this movie.

249 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:44:59pm

re: #221 looking closely

“Why, but there’s many a man hath more hair than wit.”

~ William Shakespeare ( Antipholus of Syracuse, The Comedy Of Errors, Act 2 Scene II )

250 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:45:11pm

Well the Islamists love Obama, the commies love Obama, the Palestinian mass murderers love Obama, Hugo Chavez loves Obama, good old Castro loves Obama. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and suggest that Saddam and the boys would have loved Obama, Hitler would have loved Obama, Tojo would have loved him, Stalin would have sent him flowers, and the Mullahs in Iran will make him am Imam.

Did I miss anyone (pretty any enemy of America is gonna love the idea of a socialist/communist weakling at the wheel of America's ship of state, as it will become more and more like a dugout canoe as time progresses.

251 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:45:58pm

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

I wish the Georgians had M-1s.

You mean M-1 or M1A1?

I say give some JSOW AGM-184Bs and maybe an airframe or two to hang 'em on.

252 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:46:19pm

re: #229 jcm

Victor Belinko, the Sov pilot who flew the Mig-25 into Japan 30 years ago wrote about the ground crews drinking the de-icing fluid. Russia's top of the line fighter couldn't have gotten off the ground during the winter because they wouldn't have been able to de-ice.

IIRC after he defected and they got him to the States, at one point his handlers (CIA I supposed) took him to the supermarket. His reaction was, "yeah, nice try, but of course this ridiculously overstocked food market is something you pulled together to impress me." They finally took him to watch landing and takeoff operations on a USN aircraft carrier, and he admitted that they couldn't possibly be faking this, so maybe they really were telling him the truth about life in the West.

253 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:46:33pm

re: #247 cygnus

No cracks about that now.

Don't get cheeky with Writermom!

254 cygnus  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:46:52pm

re: #243 taxfreekiller

John Edwards is working on a prime time movie.

Title:

"Loose Meat"

Or maybe "Loose Cannon".

255 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:47:01pm

re: #243 taxfreekiller

John Edwards is working on a prime time movie.

Title:

"Loose Meat"

"Silky Stallion"

256 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:47:03pm

re: #242 jcm

Go down to 784 on the thread.

I have.

257 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:47:18pm

re: #226 Outrider

Would this be anything like the Clintons dismissing the travel office employees when "they" took office and replacing them with their (Clinton) people?

Or Bill Clinton replacing ALL of the US attorneys, to get rid of ONE that was investigating him (Whitewater IIRC).

258 sojerofgod  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:48:08pm

re: #241 Ward Cleaver

If they had held their water for a few more years they just might have had them...
This war was always scheduled for the Olympics though, I'm sure of it. The pre-planning for airstrikes alone would have taken months. Putin has made his point, and we might as well go out back and clean the vines off the fall-out shelters, The Cold War is back and badder than ever!

259 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:48:53pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

He was so used to be lied to he it took him awhile. IIRC he was blown away when in flew in to DC by the suburbs, all those houses with yards owned by average folks.

260 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:48:59pm

re: #182 jcm

/sarc I believe.

We all going to die so what's the point of medical care?
Nationalized medicine at the extreme.
/

When health care is "free," more people than you ever dreamed of will line up to come and get it. And before long, there won't be enough government money to pay for it. So drug companies will get squeezed, and the pipeline of new medicines will dry up. And health care workers will get squeezed, so the best and brightest will choose other careers. Which will lead to rationing and the awful calculation of how much a human life is worth.

261 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:49:12pm

re: #229 jcm

Victor Belinko, the Sov pilot who flew the Mig-25 into Japan 30 years ago wrote about the ground crews drinking the de-icing fluid. Russia's top of the line fighter couldn't have gotten off the ground during the winter because they wouldn't have been able to de-ice.

The pilots were in on it too. They would claim to encounter icing conditions and be using the de-icers. After landing they'd drain the tanks.
Read a book about the Russian military that said back then the best time to invade would have been New Year's since almost everyone in the military was passed out drunk.

262 code red 21  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:51:04pm

You're usually known by the company you keep I just wish the people that wanted BO for POTUS would stop and think about who supports this person. But that would probably be asking too much of them.

263 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:51:12pm

re: #148 WriterMom

THE DREADED 404 OF BLASPHEMY!

Linky DEAD, baby.

Short version: Never mind.

When I right click on the sp-usa.org/campaigns/anti-war.html linky, and check properties, it reports
h t t p : / /
my.barackobama.com/page/community/post_edit/_new/w ww.sp-usa.org/campaigns/anti-war.html

and if I click the link, it takes me to a login expired screen, under Community Blogs at my.barackobama.com

But if I copy just the latter part of that URL and paste that into my browser address bar, I get 404 Not Found.

So I guess the linky at the bottom of the page is just a fancy re-direction out of barackobama.com to a now-dead site, but for some reason it's a privileged thing they want people to login (to BHO's site) for.

264 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:51:35pm

re: #252 Occasional Reader

IIRC after he defected and they got him to the States, at one point his handlers (CIA I supposed) took him to the supermarket. His reaction was, "yeah, nice try, but of course this ridiculously overstocked food market is something you pulled together to impress me." They finally took him to watch landing and takeoff operations on a USN aircraft carrier, and he admitted that they couldn't possibly be faking this, so maybe they really were telling him the truth about life in the West.


Russians Jews would break down in tears when they saw the supermarkets in Israel.

265 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:51:44pm

re: #261 Hard Right

The pilots were in on it too. They would claim to encounter icing conditions and be using the de-icers. After landing they'd drain the tanks.
Read a book about the Russian military that said back then the best time to invade would have been New Year's since almost everyone in the military was passed out drunk.

Or harvest time, virtually the entire Soviet armed forces was turned out into the fields to help harvest, the equipment would be inoperable because farm workers sold parts for vodka. Then the harvest would rot in the field because the trucks where in the same shape.

266 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:51:50pm

re: #222 Charles

If you haven't seen it yet, "La Russophobe" (Kim Zigfeld) is answering the pro-Russian commenters who have been misrepresenting his (her?) posts about the Discovery Institute's Russia Blog, in this thread:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

And they seem to be quite active as well. Robert Spencer even had to come in and defend himself and his PIG Guide to Islam and the Crusades (which, BTW, is an excellent summation) due to another PIG Guide about ID.

267 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:53:33pm

re: #251 jcm

You mean M-1.

If I had to go into combat I'd rather carry an M-1 than an AK-47.

268 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:53:49pm

Ahhh...the 5 pm rapture.

Slow going during the changeover.

269 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:54:19pm

re: #176 CyanSnowHawk

Is there a Rep. on the ballot? I'd love to see a moonbat division cause a Rep. to get voted in. Not likely, I know, but it would be gratifying.

There's always a Rep on the ballot; in fact, I believe I know her (vaguely). If you run, no matter how badly you get beaten (the majority of the district is S.F.) you get some kind of party emeritus status or somesuch. Still, I'd love to crow "I voted for Shehag"!

270 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:54:49pm

re: #261 Hard Right

Belinko wrote a book I believe.

Also, the Mig 25 could make this fantastic Mach number.

Then you'd have to replace the engines.

271 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:54:53pm

re: #260 David Simon

When health care is "free," more people than you ever dreamed of will line up to come and get it. And before long, there won't be enough government money to pay for it. So drug companies will get squeezed, and the pipeline of new medicines will dry up. And health care workers will get squeezed, so the best and brightest will choose other careers. Which will lead to rationing and the awful calculation of how much a human life is worth.

Nationalised healthacare will be a fiasco. It always is.
However , look at it now. Immigarants usually undocumented get no health benefits from the very same employers that are telling us to have a heart.
So, they use the expensive ER as a PCP & can not pay.
The hospital writes off the debt and tries to pass off to the insured.
Meicare & Medicaid under reimburse.
Hospitals are closing all over the place, paricularly in Southwest border areas.

272 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:54:58pm

re: #260 David Simon

"If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free." -- P. J. O'Rourke

273 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:55:16pm

re: #267 Son of the Black Dog

If I had to go into combat I'd rather carry an M-1 than an AK-47.

M-14 guy here. ;-)

274 yochanan  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:55:20pm

re: #264 Ben Hur

and at the time israeli standards were not as high as american consumer standards.

275 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:55:23pm

re: #264 Ben Hur

Russians Jews would break down in tears when they saw the supermarkets in Israel.

But think of all that waste. Wouldn't it be better if supermarkets just rationed out centrally-planned, sustainable quantities of food, as determined by wise government officials?

276 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:55:47pm

re: #265 jcm

Or harvest time, virtually the entire Soviet armed forces was turned out into the fields to help harvest, the equipment would be inoperable because farm workers sold parts for vodka. Then the harvest would rot in the field because the trucks where in the same shape.

I recall reading about soldiers falling ill from eating unripened fruit. That's how desperate they were for fruit. Scurvy was common.

Ahhh, what a paradise.
///

277 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:11pm

re: #270 Ojoe

Also, the Mig 25 could make this fantastic Mach number.

Then you'd have to replace the engines.

Yep, I remember Belinko told us that the MiG-25 that overflew some corner of Israel at like Mach 3.1, it order to impress us, had its engines reduced pretty much to smoking ruins by the time it landed back in Egypt.

278 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:11pm

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

I've heard her name pronounced "Riley", and "REE-ell". Which is it?

Tramp

279 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:17pm

re: #274 yochanan

and at the time israeli standards were not as high as american consumer standards.

They are now though. Thank G-d.

280 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:36pm

re: #270 Ojoe

Belinko wrote a book I believe.

Also, the Mig 25 could make this fantastic Mach number.

Then you'd have to replace the engines.


IIRC they couldn't believe how crude the Mig-25 was when they examined it.
Also the heating system on thier tanks were inadequate. They would actually pipe the exhaust into the tank to keep warm!

281 barry the baptist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:36pm

re: #250 maddogg

Everyone who see's the benefites of having a naive (aka moron) as president has given their backing. This should send up the red flag to most people...unless you're a die hard Dem, then all is well!

US Democrats: If you are a Socialist/Communist, we've got your back!

'Communism has only kiiled 100 million people- let's give it another chance!'

/s

282 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:42pm

re: #273 jcm

M-14 guy here. ;-)

Hell, if I could get anything, I'll take a bolter.

283 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:57:50pm

re: #276 Hard Right

Yes but the Vodka problem predates 1917,

What a sadness in plain human terms.

284 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:58:00pm

re: #270 Ojoe

Belinko wrote a book I believe.

Also, the Mig 25 could make this fantastic Mach number.

Then you'd have to replace the engines.

They clocked a Mig-25 on a Mach-3 run from Eygpt to Syria, and that shook up the Pentagon. When they got the plane the engines where steel and weighed tons. They would burn up at high speed, and the plane had serious weight problems they used steel to overcome heat, we'd been using aluminum alloys and titanium for years.

285 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:58:10pm

re: #275 Occasional Reader

But think of all that waste. Wouldn't it be better if supermarkets just rationed out centrally-planned, sustainable quantities of food, as determined by wise government officials?


Well, they did that at Kibbutz until the newly arrived RUssian immigrants raided the market and took all the free food to their families living in town.

286 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 1:58:46pm

re: #233 Ward Cleaver

I've heard her name pronounced "Riley", and "REE-ell". Which is it?

Its "Lisa".

287 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:00:22pm

re: #260 David Simon

When health care is "free," more people than you ever dreamed of will line up to come and get it.

That is certainly a fact most overlook.

It is bad enough that most of my friends, who are in the higher 50% income bracket, somehow think THEIR costs are going to go down for medical, but they also don't see that demand will skyrocket. I have friends that own a restaurant and lament that they cannot afford to give insurance to their employees - so they're for socialized medicine, which of course will result in them effectively paying for insurance for their employees, enforced by the state, after the state takes its cut to fund its typically efficient management.

288 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:00:48pm

re: #199 taxfreekiller

tfk idea for world peace

The U.S.A. makes a trade, all the Democrats in the U.S.A. we trade for all the Jews in the world, the Democrats get Israel, and we send
1 Trillion dollars with them, the Jews get freedom and justice here,
the commies and the Islamics love the Democrats so the land of Israel will never be attacked ever again. If any one wants to start shit with the Jews once here safe within, have them contact tfk first.

win win X's 2

But then the dem's would probably have to call themselves something else, maybe something like umm, ah..

Something like that. :)

289 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:01:26pm
We now have to see our country surrender to the enemy without demonstrating our power up to 120 percent," Tojo wrote on Aug. 13, 1945, just two days before Japan gave up. "We are now on a course for a humiliating peace, or rather a humiliating surrender."

Wow.

Imperial Japanese really did have a lot in common with todays Islamists and their supporters.

290 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:03:09pm
291 Ben Hur  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:03:13pm

bbl

292 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:03:15pm

re: #287 Silhouette

That is certainly a fact most overlook.

It is bad enough that most of my friends, who are in the higher 50% income bracket, somehow think THEIR costs are going to go down for medical, but they also don't see that demand will skyrocket. I have friends that own a restaurant and lament that they cannot afford to give insurance to their employees - so they're for socialized medicine, which of course will result in them effectively paying for insurance for their employees, enforced by the state, after the state takes its cut to fund its typically efficient management.

Think about it. The same cutting edge management style thet runs the Post Office & the TSA could run the medical delivery system.
My advice is, don't gey sick.

293 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:03:23pm

re: #273 jcm

M-14 guy here. ;-)

Yeah, I carried one of those for a while. Felt very comfortable carrying a real rifle instead of a piece of plastic (got no respect for the original M-16).

In Blackhawk Down, the book version, there's a section about the M-16 rounds going clean through the "skinnies" i.e., the Somalies, without immediate effect. That is, they kept coming and kept shooting, even after being hit with several rounds. One of the Rangers had an M-14 and when he shot them they went down and stayed down.

294 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:03:25pm

re: #280 Hard Right

I had a summer job (actually some sort of program for students) at Argonne National Labs the summer after I graduated college. On a tour of the CP-5 reactor, there was a neutron diffractometer encased in shielding. Basically "x-rayed" objects using neutrons.
Our guide described people in dark suits and dark cars having some object analyzed in that device, under high security. It was part of the MIG-25 guidance system. The agreement was we'd send it back, without opening any black boxes. So this way, they got to see what was inside without opening it.

295 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:03:29pm

re: #284 jcm

we'd been using aluminum alloys and titanium for years.

However... the Rooskies then went on to make titanium-hull attack subs, which IIRC initially we couldn't make something that big out of titanium. The Soviet weapons program had moments of brilliance, but was wildly uneven.

296 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:04:43pm

re: #258 sojerofgod

If they had held their water for a few more years they just might have had them...
This war was always scheduled for the Olympics though, I'm sure of it. The pre-planning for airstrikes alone would have taken months. Putin has made his point, and we might as well go out back and clean the vines off the fall-out shelters, The Cold War is back and badder than ever!

The Cold War never really went away. And even when people acknowledged it, it wasn't really as cold as we would all like to think.

297 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:05:01pm

re: #293 Son of the Black Dog

there's a section about the M-16 rounds going clean through the "skinnies" i.e., the Somalies, without immediate effect

Partly because our guys were carrying green-tipped AP rounds. Which seemed like a bad choice, against khat-drugged opponents with no body armor.

298 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:05:23pm

re: #287 Silhouette

That is certainly a fact most overlook.

It is bad enough that most of my friends, who are in the higher 50% income bracket, somehow think THEIR costs are going to go down for medical, but they also don't see that demand will skyrocket. I have friends that own a restaurant and lament that they cannot afford to give insurance to their employees - so they're for socialized medicine, which of course will result in them effectively paying for insurance for their employees, enforced by the state, after the state takes its cut to fund its typically efficient management.

As the old chestnut goes:

"If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait until you see how much it costs when its free".

299 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:05:32pm

re: #275 Occasional Reader

Wouldn't it be better if supermarkets just rationed out centrally-planned, sustainable quantities of food, as determined by wise government officials?

Naw, that could never happen in a free western nation.

Supermarkets are under pressure to end BOGOF deals amid claims they encourage shoppers to waste food.

The Buy-One-Get-One-Free offers are increasingly used by stores claiming they want to help those on a budget.

But critics, including consumer groups and MPs, say they simply tempt people to buy food they have no hope of eating before it spoils.

300 Pyroskank  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:06:08pm

re: #292 opnion

Think about it. The same cutting edge management style thet runs the Post Office & the TSA could run the medical delivery system.
My advice is, don't gey sick.

I think a more appropriate comparison would be the DMV. Imagine your hospitals being run by the DMV. All of them. This is the CHANGE that the lightworker will bring.

HOPE!

301 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:07:13pm

re: #295 Occasional Reader

However... the Rooskies then went on to make titanium-hull attack subs, which IIRC initially we couldn't make something that big out of titanium. The Soviet weapons program had moments of brilliance, but was wildly uneven.

They never could capitalize on that, if it didn't start at the top, it didn't happen.

gotta run later all.

302 Son of the Black Dog  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:07:27pm

Anyone who thinks we should have national health care should be required to get their medical care from the VA for a couple years.

303 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:07:48pm

re: #292 opnion

The most striking argument I heard was to form a picture in your mind of, for example, housing, bathrooms, and beaches.

Now, put the word "public" before them and tell me if your opinion of them raised or lowered.

304 BGB!  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:08:31pm

OLD VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the ant is warm and well fed. The grasshopper has no food or shelter, so he dies out in the cold.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be responsible for yourself!

---------------------------------------------

MODERN VERSION:

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving. CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, and CNN show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprah with the grasshopper, and everybody cries when they sing, 'It's Not Easy Being Green'.

Jesse Jackson stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house where the news stations film the group singing, 'We Shall Overcome'. Jesse then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back of the grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity and Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer. The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the government.

Hillary Clinton gets her old law firm to represent the grasshopper in a defamation suit against the ant, and the case is tried before a panel of Federal judges that Bill Clinton appointed from a list of single-parent welfare recipients.

The ant loses the case.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ant's food while the government house he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug-related incident and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.

MORAL OF THE STORY: Be careful how you vote in 2008.

305 Timbre  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:08:50pm

"Obamunnism: the hopiate of the asses." -from a commenter at The Free Republic.

306 code red 21  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:09:25pm

re: #290 Ben Hur

Civilians were only targets left as Russia kept bombing

Good Lord I wish there was something we could do to help these people. They love freedom and are being ground under the heel of those Soviet bastards.

307 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:09:40pm

re: #300 Pyroskank

I think a more appropriate comparison would be the DMV. Imagine your hospitals being run by the DMV. All of them. This is the CHANGE that the lightworker will bring.

HOPE!

You don't even have to go that far.
Want to see what state-run healthcare is like?
Check out the VA system in the USA.

Interestingly, and probably not coincidentally, I've been to Jewish General Hospital in Montreal, and its eerily similar to most VA hospitals I've seen.

308 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:09:49pm

re: #298 looking closely

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

GMTA.

309 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:10:22pm

re: #300 Pyroskank

I think a more appropriate comparison would be the DMV. Imagine your hospitals being run by the DMV. All of them. This is the CHANGE that the lightworker will bring.

HOPE!


Frightening isn't it. On the plus side Barry should be winning going away & he is not.
It is a Dem year & John McCain even with his good points is not a great candidate & obama is falling back.
That rally in Germany was a mistake. Americans saw a Messianic narcissist being idolized by a bunch of foreigners who do not wish us well. Bad move Barry.

310 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:10:50pm

re: #294 Kosh's Shadow

I had a summer job (actually some sort of program for students) at Argonne National Labs the summer after I graduated college. On a tour of the CP-5 reactor, there was a neutron diffractometer encased in shielding. Basically "x-rayed" objects using neutrons.
Our guide described people in dark suits and dark cars having some object analyzed in that device, under high security. It was part of the MIG-25 guidance system. The agreement was we'd send it back, without opening any black boxes. So this way, they got to see what was inside without opening it.

I love loopholes. Very cool. Thanks.

311 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:10:55pm
312 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:11:22pm

I think liberals have a warped concept of "free". They think its free when other (read productive) people pay for it. I say let them have the freedom to get a job and pay for their own health care. If I'm gonna pay for it, I wanna say in who gets it, and what they get. And I will start with a requirement for sexual sterilization for welfare that has become a lifestyle, rather than a temporary helping hand. That way I can limit the breeding of freeloaders and parasites, and eventually get rid of dead weight through letting dead weight lines die out.

313 George guy  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:11:23pm

re: #299 Silhouette

Certainly, even with today's gas prices, it's better to not get perishable foods more than three days in advance, since just one or two packages of spoiled food offsets the gas money it would cost to make another trip in the middle of the week.

It's not always economical to go grocery shopping once a week.

314 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:12:17pm

re: #303 Silhouette

The most striking argument I heard was to form a picture in your mind of, for example, housing, bathrooms, and beaches.

Now, put the word "public" before them and tell me if your opinion of them raised or lowered.

* * *
So why did we allow government to get into these businesses? Hmmmm? Federal Mortgage Corp. (Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac) ring any bells?

Government sponsored, and with corruption (Jim Johnson, Obama's veep vetter making $20 million there)

315 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:12:29pm

re: #313 George guy

Certainly, even with today's gas prices, it's better to not get perishable foods more than three days in advance, since just one or two packages of spoiled food offsets the gas money it would cost to make another trip in the middle of the week.

It's not always economical to go grocery shopping once a week.

Grow your own.

316 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:01pm

re: #307 looking closely

You don't even have to go that far.
Want to see what state-run healthcare is like?
Check out the VA system in the USA.

Interestingly, and probably not coincidentally, I've been to Jewish General Hospital in Montreal, and its eerily similar to most VA hospitals I've seen.

My sister is a psych nurse, recently home from a tour at one of the VAs in the South. (I'll leave it unnamed, but it isn't Tampa.) She was appalled, flabbergasted, mad as hell. Still raving about it in fact. And she turned down a contract renewal.

317 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:20pm

re: #315 looking closely

Grow your own.

Kind of hard to do in the city!

318 George guy  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:23pm

The squirrels keep digging it up, and in a small suburban lot there are rules about firearm discharges.

319 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:14:38pm

re: #305 Timbre

"Obamunnism: the hopiate of the asses." -from a commenter at The Free Republic.

Obamatology. Achieve a state of Clear (in your wallet).

320 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:05pm

re: #318 George guy

The squirrels keep digging it up, and in a small suburban lot there are rules about firearm discharges.

Any rules about explosives? ;P

321 kynna  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:09pm

If so many crazy e-mails hadn't already gone out about Obama, this would be a great one to go viral.

However, I'm certain the majority of recipients who've already gotten the anti-christ e-mails are just deleting instead of reading at this point.

322 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:24pm

re: #313 George guy

Certainly, even with today's gas prices, it's better to not get perishable foods more than three days in advance, since just one or two packages of spoiled food offsets the gas money it would cost to make another trip in the middle of the week.

It's not always economical to go grocery shopping once a week.

Not true. You just need to be very careful about checking expiration dates, choosing the freshest produce and storing things correctly.

323 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:15:51pm

Obamatology. Achieving an opaque state of mind.

324 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:16:34pm

re: #313 George guy

I don't care if their recommendations were the best jim-dandy plan that ever came down the pike to budget my grocery bill. I take GREAT umbrage at the state telling me what I can and cannot buy and telling a private grocery store what it can and cannot sell, and for how much.

Admittedly, the MPs were just "strongly recommending" for now, but I foresee laws banning these "bad" practices of BOGOF.

325 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:16:41pm

re: #315 looking closely

Grow your own.

* * *
I followed lizards' advice and now have my own balcony tomatoes, basil and sourdough bread. Thanks!

326 Honorary Yooper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:16:48pm

re: #313 George guy

What perishables are you buying that don't make the week?

Only rarely have I had anything that can't make it through the week. And even less that I can't buy a bit ahead on.

327 Timbre  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:17:47pm

re: #313 George guy

Certainly, even with today's gas prices, it's better to not get perishable foods more than three days in advance, since just one or two packages of spoiled food offsets the gas money it would cost to make another trip in the middle of the week.

It's not always economical to go grocery shopping once a week.

Hi, Milly Bayes here with a great new way to save your perishables-- vacuum-sealed, de-humidified, shrink wrap. Just wrap it up, pull the plug, and aridize it--presto you have lettuce that lasts for months in the fridge. It's great for moonbat brains, too!

328 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:18:01pm

re: #317 Occasional Reader

Kind of hard to do in the city!

* * *
Urban Gardening is huge in many decaying US cities.

(You laughed when I suggested the self-help book to show you how to be more self-sufficient, yes, even in DC, OR)

329 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:18:32pm

re: #318 George guy

The squirrels keep digging it up, and in a small suburban lot there are rules about firearm discharges.

.22 rat shot (CCI) in a long bbl. rifle is quiet. Effective to 4 yards. Used at daylight or early will draw no attention.

Used it to kill 4 squirrels off my roof who insisted on chewing holes through my cedar shakes. They will not give up, ever, and must be eliminated.

330 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:01pm

Tim Pawlenty on Fox. What a whiny weasel!

He's talking about the 'Reagan Democrats' as if they're natural Democrats who will vote for Obama if McCain doesn't step up, which is a-historical BS.

The Reagan Democrats were social liberals, but foreign policy hawks, fed up with the post-1968 Dems. McCain should have no problem keeping them on our side.

Now the Republicans for Obama BS... Please just burst this bubble! Stop pretending Obama is a moderate! Obama is a socialist!

331 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:22pm

re: #327 Timbre

Hi, Milly Bayes here with a great new way to save your perishables-- vacuum-sealed, de-humidified, shrink wrap. Just wrap it up, pull the plug, and aridize it--presto you have lettuce that lasts for months in the fridge. It's great for moonbat brains, too!

Now there's an oxymoron. Next you'll say it's good for storing unicorn horns.
//

332 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:19:23pm

re: #319 The Other Les

Obamatology. Achieve a state of Clear (in your wallet).

Obamonectomy: What Obama will do to the contents of your wallet

333 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:20:07pm

re: #329 maddogg

.22 rat shot (CCI) in a long bbl. rifle is quiet. Effective to 4 yards. Used at daylight or early will draw no attention.

Used it to kill 4 squirrels off my roof who insisted on chewing holes through my cedar shakes. They will not give up, ever, and must be eliminated.

* * *
Mike Huckabee recommended cooking squirrels in his popcorn popper (vintage Carter-era popper)

334 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:20:53pm

re: #333 alegrias

* * *
Mike Huckabee recommended cooking squirrels in his popcorn popper (vintage Carter-era popper)

After they're dead, right? Otherwise that's just cruel.
//

335 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:33pm

re: #308 RedPepper

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

GMTA.

Everywhere that has "free" socialized medicine has shortages, expressed by wait lists, and outright service denials.

EG: Need coronary bypass after age 70? Tough s@$t, after 70, you're expendable. MRI? Sorry, we don't have one.

Need a bed at Jewish General in Montreal? Have a seat in this waiting room. A bed for you might open up in the next 2-3 days. A Canadian friend told me that he badly injured his leg and called to get an appointment with an Orthopedist. They took his name and told him they'd call him back to schedule an appointment in 6 months. (He was actually shocked to hear back from them 6 months later, having totally forgotten about the original injury by then!).

Average wait time to see a dermatologist at a VA hospital in the USA? 12 months. (Better hope you don't have skin cancer).

Etc.

336 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:36pm

re: #330 Peter Verkooijen

Tim Pawlenty on Fox. What a whiny weasel!

He's talking about the 'Reagan Democrats' as if they're natural Democrats who will vote for Obama if McCain doesn't step up, which is a-historical BS.

The Reagan Democrats were social liberals, but foreign policy hawks, fed up with the post-1968 Dems. McCain should have no problem keeping them on our side.

Now the Republicans for Obama BS... Please just burst this bubble! Stop pretending Obama is a moderate! Obama is a socialist!

* * *
Give him a break, he's from Minnesota which still has a Democrat Farmer Party or some other socialist party on the books.

337 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:21:48pm

re: #330 Peter Verkooijen

Tim Pawlenty on Fox. What a whiny weasel!

He's talking about the 'Reagan Democrats' as if they're natural Democrats who will vote for Obama if McCain doesn't step up, which is a-historical BS.

The Reagan Democrats were social liberals, but foreign policy hawks, fed up with the post-1968 Dems. McCain should have no problem keeping them on our side.

Now the Republicans for Obama BS... Please just burst this bubble! Stop pretending Obama is a moderate! Obama is a socialist!

Did you notice Condi's statement about Obama last week?

338 looking closely  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:22:45pm

re: #317 Occasional Reader

Kind of hard to do in the city!

I used to grow my own cherry tomatoes and various herbs (basil, lemongrass, cilantro, etc) in pots on a south facing deck in Boston.

Its not always easy, but it can be done.

339 Maine's Michael  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:23:12pm

NYTIMES does what it can to help Obama.

As far as the NYTIMES is concerned, it was a mistake to call McCain a 'fighter pilot' for the last 30 years, and will henceforth be referring to him as an 'attack pilot'.

Un-fucking-believable.

340 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:23:19pm

re: #328 alegrias

* * *
Urban Gardening is huge in many decaying US cities.

(You laughed when I suggested the self-help book to show you how to be more self-sufficient, yes, even in DC, OR)

I suppose my wife and I could devote half our urban space to hydroponic gardening of some sort.

But of course, given that we have two supermarkets within 1000 yards of my place, why would we?

We are not reverting to a subsistance economy, alegrias. Really. It's not going to happen.

341 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:23:20pm

re: #337 galloping granny

Did you notice Condi's statement about Obama last week?

Any "Republican" for Obama isn't a Rep or is just deluded.

342 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:23:33pm

re: #333 alegrias

* * *
Mike Huckabee recommended cooking squirrels in his popcorn popper (vintage Carter-era popper)

I have killed and eaten many, many bushytails. They are good eating, and nut fed.

343 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:23:35pm

re: #271 opnion

Nationalised healthacare will be a fiasco. It always is.
However , look at it now. Immigarants usually undocumented get no health benefits from the very same employers that are telling us to have a heart.
So, they use the expensive ER as a PCP & can not pay.
The hospital writes off the debt and tries to pass off to the insured.
Meicare & Medicaid under reimburse.
Hospitals are closing all over the place, paricularly in Southwest border areas.

Good grief. Illegal immigrants are only "entitled" to emergency treatment. (And the federal government is currently funding some of it. It's due to sunset at the end of this year IIRC.) Legally, hospitals can turn away illegals that try to use the ER as a PCP. But evidently, there are more than a few medical "do-gooders." Arghhh.

344 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:23:37pm

Galloping Granny here's the grow your own guru! Survivalist expert.

345 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:24:25pm

re: #344 alegrias

Galloping Granny here's the grow your own guru! Survivalist expert.

Do you have a recipe for stray cats?
///

346 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:24:46pm

re: #342 maddogg

I have killed and eaten many, many bushytails. They are good eating, and nut fed.

You mean LLL have been feeding them?

347 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:00pm

re: #313 George guy

Certainly, even with today's gas prices, it's better to not get perishable foods more than three days in advance, since just one or two packages of spoiled food offsets the gas money it would cost to make another trip in the middle of the week.

It's not always economical to go grocery shopping once a week.

That's just one of the problems with that damned uncanned food. Then there's the ecoli, botulism and all the other diseases infesting our "fresh" produce and meats.
BIG PERISHABLES ARE RIPPING US OFF.

348 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:05pm

re: #335 looking closely

And, with each passing day they make the situation worse by discouraging behaviours like smoking, drinking, unprotected sex, skydiving & etc. ...

/?

349 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:08pm

There was a woman on with Gretta last night. This segment is actually all that I saw. She had some woman on from a Woman's magazine & in a clipped British accent lamented that we don not see more of Michelle Obama.
She said that of course Michelle is not a bitter person & that is not who Barry knows.
She blamed all of the knuckle dragger's for silencing this gutsy, cutting edge woman..

350 Hard Right  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:13pm

re: #346 Silhouette

You mean LLL have been feeding them?

I bet the squirrels smell better than they do.

351 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:25:40pm

re: #329 maddogg

.22 rat shot (CCI) in a long bbl. rifle is quiet. Effective to 4 yards. Used at daylight or early will draw no attention.

Used it to kill 4 squirrels off my roof who insisted on chewing holes through my cedar shakes. They will not give up, ever, and must be eliminated.

Somebody here at work said that stuff works well.

352 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:26:50pm

re: #343 David Simon

Good grief. Illegal immigrants are only "entitled" to emergency treatment. (And the federal government is currently funding some of it. It's due to sunset at the end of this year IIRC.) Legally, hospitals can turn away illegals that try to use the ER as a PCP. But evidently, there are more than a few medical "do-gooders." Arghhh.

Not in Masachusetts; hospitals aren't allowed to turn away anyone. And while everyone is supposed to get health insurance, illegals don't.

353 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:00pm

re: #346 Silhouette

You mean LLL have been feeding them?

Squirrels are not liberals, they make their own living.

354 alegrias  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:00pm

re: #340 Occasional Reader

I suppose my wife and I could devote half our urban space to hydroponic gardening of some sort.

But of course, given that we have two supermarkets within 1000 yards of my place, why would we?

We are not reverting to a subsistance economy, alegrias. Really. It's not going to happen.

* * *
Oh you of little faith. It's not subsistence gardening, its VICTORY GARDENING.

Gardening is America's number one hobby, but you're right metro people needn't dirty their hands!

355 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:13pm

re: #342 maddogg

Just leave the brains for someone else to eat.

Mad squirrel disease ...

356 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:17pm

re: #350 Hard Right

I bet the squirrels smell better than they do.

This is the third time that squirrels have come up in conversation for me today. Weird.

357 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:20pm

re: #342 maddogg

I have killed and eaten many, many bushytails. They are good eating, and nut fed.

I've eaten squirrel once (baked). It was pretty good. I got him with a Crosman 760 Powermaster pellet gun (I was a teenager).

358 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:27:52pm

re: #287 Silhouette

That is certainly a fact most overlook.

It is bad enough that most of my friends, who are in the higher 50% income bracket, somehow think THEIR costs are going to go down for medical, but they also don't see that demand will skyrocket. I have friends that own a restaurant and lament that they cannot afford to give insurance to their employees - so they're for socialized medicine, which of course will result in them effectively paying for insurance for their employees, enforced by the state, after the state takes its cut to fund its typically efficient management.

Show them this:

[Link: www.barackobama.com...]

359 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:28:10pm

re: #345 Hard Right

Try your local Amazing Wok.

360 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:28:33pm

re: #355 RedPepper

Just leave the brains for someone else to eat.

Mad squirrel disease ...

That is a real danger, so you can eat the eyeballs OK, but pass the brains to some liberal, they won't ever notice the difference.

361 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:28:59pm

re: #349 opnion

There was a woman on with Gretta last night. This segment is actually all that I saw. She had some woman on from a Woman's magazine & in a clipped British accent lamented that we don not see more of Michelle Obama.
She said that of course Michelle is not a bitter person & that is not who Barry knows.
She blamed all of the knuckle dragger's for silencing this gutsy, cutting edge woman..

I think she should be on TV every day. That would really sink BHO's chances.

362 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:10pm

re: #357 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel once (baked). It was pretty good. I got him with a Crosman 760 Powermaster pellet gun (I was a teenager).

Squirrels aren't kosher. I'll have to trap deer and have them properly schected (slaughtered according to Kosher rules).
Or the wild turkeys who live behind our house.

363 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:18pm

re: #354 alegrias

It's not subsistence gardening, its VICTORY GARDENING.

Our troops are running out of food? Our country is running out of food? Huh?

Gardening is America's number one hobby, but you're right metro people needn't dirty their hands!

It's some peoples' hobby; it doesn't happen to be mine. I also don't golf, or collect stamps.

364 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:25pm

re: #340 Occasional Reader

I suppose my wife and I could devote half our urban space to hydroponic gardening of some sort.

But of course, given that we have two supermarkets within 1000 yards of my place, why would we?

We are not reverting to a subsistance economy, alegrias. Really. It's not going to happen.

It is cheaper to grow your own.

You can grow things that are otherwise quite expensive. That arugula that Obama complains about? It is a WEED. A pack of seeds is less than three dollars and it will establish an arugula patch that will allow you to harvest a couple of pounds a week every week during more than half the year for then next decade or two.

You can grow things that you cannot buy - like special heirloom tomatoes or peppers that don't travel well.

Gardening is good exercise.

Vegetables taste completely differently when they go straight from the garden into the pot.

You do not need to garden hydroponically if you have outdoor space.

365 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:29:37pm

re: #357 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel once (baked). It was pretty good. I got him with a Crosman 760 Powermaster pellet gun (I was a teenager).

You must hve been close, the 760 was unrifled.

366 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:30:13pm

re: #336 alegrias

* * *
Give him a break, he's from Minnesota which still has a Democrat Farmer Party or some other socialist party on the books.

Just saying Pawlenty as VP would be a disaster...

For VP McCain really needs someone like Paul Ryan, who truly gets the economic concerns of swing voters and independents, speaks their language, not a whiny Obama suck-up like Pawlenty with his condescending "Sam's Club Republican" pose.

367 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:30:13pm

I will not eat squirrel when there are so many chickens out there to eat. Someone posted a link that the world chicken population is greater than the human population, and I'm doing my part to prevent a violent take-over.

368 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:30:13pm

re: #342 maddogg

I have killed and eaten many, many bushytails. They are good eating, and nut fed.

/squirrel melts

369 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:30:20pm

re: #343 David Simon

Good grief. Illegal immigrants are only "entitled" to emergency treatment. (And the federal government is currently funding some of it. It's due to sunset at the end of this year IIRC.) Legally, hospitals can turn away illegals that try to use the ER as a PCP. But evidently, there are more than a few medical "do-gooders." Arghhh.

In practice they do not make the medical necissity decision for ER care.
Good way to get sued. Things are so clogged up & their employers who are providing no benefits & paying under minimum wage pass off the costs to the general population

370 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:30:24pm

re: #360 maddogg

LOL !

Now why didn't I think of that !

/?

371 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:30:37pm

re: #357 Ward Cleaver

I've eaten squirrel once (baked).

I'll bet you were.

372 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:31:42pm

re: #346 Silhouette

I have killed and eaten many, many bushytails

I too enjoy a nice bushy tail, but KILLING them?

373 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:32:16pm

Putin says, "Curses on Moose and Squirrel."

374 opnion  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:32:30pm

re: #361 Ward Cleaver

I think she should be on TV every day. That would really sink BHO's chances.

Exactly what I thought. On some level they know it & put her into the equivalent of witness protecting.

375 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:32:40pm

re: #368 Killian Bundy

/squirrel melts


My kind of woman, hunts and then cooks.....paradise!

376 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:32:59pm

re: #372 sparrowlake

My, how did I end up killing the squirrels?

377 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:28pm

This thread seems to have wandered off in a strange direction ...

378 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:33:33pm

re: #352 Kosh's Shadow

Not in Masachusetts; hospitals aren't allowed to turn away anyone. And while everyone is supposed to get health insurance, illegals don't.

I wonder if any hospitals are challenging that. Can state law compel the hospitals to do more than is required by federal law? I don't think so....

379 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:34:21pm

re: #372 sparrowlake

I too enjoy a nice bushy tail, but KILLING them?

If you don't kill them, roles reverse and they eat you.

380 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:34:55pm

re: #337 galloping granny

Did you notice Condi's statement about Obama last week?

No, what was it?

381 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:34:55pm

re: #364 galloping granny

It is cheaper to grow your own.

Factoring in opportunity cost/cost of my own labor? I doubt that. Economy of scale, etc.

If you like gardening, that's wonderful. It's just not my thing (nor my wife's).

382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:35:57pm

OT

Palestinians recommit themselves to eternal war

"The Israeli proposal is not acceptable," Abbas's spokesman said. "The Palestinian side will only accept a Palestinian state with territorial continuity, with holy Jerusalem as its capital, without settlements, and on the June 4, 1967 boundaries."

Abu Rdainah was referring to the borders that existed prior to the 1967 Middle East war in which Israel seized Arab East Jerusalem and the West Bank from Jordan and the Gaza Strip from Egypt.

He called the Israeli proposal a "waste of time".

No, a waste of time is attempting to negotiate with vermin.

383 Killian Bundy  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:00pm

Squirrel Enchiladas

/from Arkansas

384 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:19pm

re: #364 galloping granny

It is cheaper to grow your own.

You can grow things that are otherwise quite expensive. That arugula that Obama complains about? It is a WEED. A pack of seeds is less than three dollars and it will establish an arugula patch that will allow you to harvest a couple of pounds a week every week during more than half the year for then next decade or two.

You can grow things that you cannot buy - like special heirloom tomatoes or peppers that don't travel well.

Gardening is good exercise.

Vegetables taste completely differently when they go straight from the garden into the pot.

You do not need to garden hydroponically if you have outdoor space.



And one other thing:
Unless you crap in your garden beds or allow your pets to do so, there is not a prayer in hell that you will acquire Shigella, Salmonella, E. coli O157 or any other bit of microscopic nastiness from the vegetables you raise yourself.

385 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:36:56pm

re: #380 Peter Verkooijen

No, what was it?

Essentially that the US would be just fine under an Obama presidency. Spit.

386 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:37:08pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"The Palestinian side will only accept a Palestinian state with territorial continuity, with holy Jerusalem as its capital, without settlements, and on the June 4, 1967 boundaries."

You forgot to say "please".

387 SFGoth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:37:58pm

re: #264 Ben Hur

Russians Jews would break down in tears when they saw the supermarkets in Israel.

Didn't the same thing happen when Yeltsin toured Houston before becoming PM -- he went into a Safeway kind of thing and couldn't believe that everyday riff-raff (non Party people) could shop there. He knew right then that communism was a loser.

388 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:38:12pm

re: #383 Killian Bundy

Squirrel Enchiladas

/from Arkansas

So am I.

389 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:39:04pm

re: #378 David Simon

I wonder if any hospitals are challenging that. Can state law compel the hospitals to do more than is required by federal law? I don't think so....

It is not state law. It is a federal law that has been in effect for more than two decades and it is the single most important patient's rights tool that we have. For every illegal that gets to sit in the ER for 36 hours or so until somebody sees them for free, there is a valid patient who MUST be treated even if they aren't carring a platinum card or proof of insurance. This law has saved millions of lives.

390 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:39:15pm

re: #386 Occasional Reader

You forgot to say "please".

Perhaps the Palis would be interested in a lively game of Hide and Go F*** Yourself while the Israelis consider their proposal?

391 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:39:24pm

re: #44 Eowyn2

its a progressive

"E-2" -

As I explained to a reporter, off the record, in the early Reagan Era when I was one:

Reporter - What is a "Progressive?"

Me - A Liberal that wants to get elected.

-S-

392 Silhouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:40:14pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

without settlements

"Judenfrei by 2023" bumper stickers are selling very well in ramallah.

393 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:40:17pm

re: #381 Occasional Reader

Supermarket tomatoes = military moonbat intelligence.

394 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:40:34pm
...and move our nation forward with a broadly progressive agenda.

Its more like Broad-less agenda what without Cankles and her 18 million alienated supporters..

395 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:42:55pm

re: #376 Silhouette

My, how did I end up killing the squirrels?

I once shot a squirrel - it was surreal.
It was the dead of winter, and the little bugger was standing on the rope-suspended squirrel-proof bird feeder just laughing at me as I yelled at it to get away from the seed. So I got my .22 rifle and shot it right between the eyes on the first shot. The squirrel's head opened up, it flipped in mid-air, and the snow-covered ground was splattered with blood. My 5 year old daughter saw all this through the window and she took a total fit. I had to rush to clean up the mess and get rid of it.
Now I just let the bastards eat.

396 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:44:09pm

re: #389 galloping granny

It is not state law. It is a federal law that has been in effect for more than two decades and it is the single most important patient's rights tool that we have. For every illegal that gets to sit in the ER for 36 hours or so until somebody sees them for free, there is a valid patient who MUST be treated even if they aren't carring a platinum card or proof of insurance. This law has saved millions of lives.

If you're referring to the EMTALA, it only applies to emergency medical treatment.

397 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:45:05pm

re: #395 sparrowlake

I yelled at it to get away from the seed. So I got my .22 rifle and shot it right between the eyes on the first shot.

Typical white person.

398 HDrepub  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:46:08pm

re: #351 Ward Cleaver

re: #329 maddogg

.22 rat shot (CCI) in a long bbl. rifle is quiet. Effective to 4 yards. Used at daylight or early will draw no attention.

Used it to kill 4 squirrels off my roof who insisted on chewing holes through my cedar shakes. They will not give up, ever, and must be eliminated.



Somebody here at work said that stuff works well.

I use .22 CB short ammo in a long barrel single shot rifle, velocity for the little bullet is only 700fps and it is subsonic. Not much more noise than a powerful pellet rifle, and more accurate too.
If you pick your shots carefully you can use it in populated areas.

399 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:46:20pm

re: #367 Silhouette

I will not eat squirrel when there are so many chickens out there to eat. Someone posted a link that the world chicken population is greater than the human population, and I'm doing my part to prevent a violent take-over.

Better take care of Psycho Chicken.

400 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:46:58pm

re: #396 David Simon

If you're referring to the EMTALA, it only applies to emergency medical treatment.

No, there is also a no dumping component. And almost universally hospitals have found it far more cost effective to simply treat those that show up in the ER (perhaps eventually) than to kick the wrong one out the door and pay through the nose.

401 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:47:07pm

re: #395 sparrowlake

Ever tried trapping 'em?

I've caught & exiled quite a few, using my trusty Hav-a-Hart and over-the-hill peanut butter ...

402 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:49:03pm

re: #343 David Simon

David, I can tell you as someone in medicine, and having been in the game for 18 years, finally getting a taste of the rampant litigious process, most of these facilites, & providers are intimidated from doing anything about the problem.

Trust me, there are very hungry lawyers out there who bottom feed for any chance of a settlement, despite the legitamacy of their case.

It a case actually goes to court, one of the lawyers might actually have to be stuck with a loss in their column.

Even people who are here illegally have no fear of filing suite. Honestly.

Imagine this scenario.

They are working for someone who did not carry worker's comp. They get injured. They go to the E.R.

They get treated. Someone from the financial office of the hospital comes with a state medicaid application for benefits, (with a translator) and files for medicaid.

Additionally, they are helped with an application for disability.

The job they were working on, say a commercial complex, has liability insurance.

They get a lawyer.

The lawyer files against the complex for some bogus reasoning.

The lawyer convinces the cleint to stay out of work just to the statute of limitations. He has no intention of going to court with this. But he has had him see all of his second opinions who will get paid in the settlement funds.

Meanwhile, the taxpayers have floated this guy who should not be here, the employer never paid worker's comp because his employment was not legit, and the lawyer makes out with some money for sticking it to the taxpayers.

I see this happen day in, and day out.

403 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:00pm

Alright lizards out there. My wife told me in no uncertain terms that there was no food at home and she was busy getting the kids ready for college. So I stopped on the way home and got me some Sam Adams Summer Ale, some pita and coumous, babganous, and Lebne. I am set. I got 2 hours before the Yankee game starts.

404 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:33pm

re: #401 RedPepper

Ever tried trapping 'em?
I've caught & exiled quite a few, using my trusty Hav-a-Hart and over-the-hill peanut butter ...

Nope, never tried it. Do ya think that Hav-a-Hart would work at illegal alien border-crossings - it sure would be nice to "exile" a few of those suckers.

405 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:34pm

re: #400 galloping granny

No, there is also a no dumping component. And almost universally hospitals have found it far more cost effective to simply treat those that show up in the ER (perhaps eventually) than to kick the wrong one out the door and pay through the nose.

There's a no dumping component in that law. What law are you referring to?

406 Alouette  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:36pm

re: #382 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

Palestinians recommit themselves to eternal war

No, a waste of time is attempting to negotiate with vermin.

I wish there was one Israeli leader who would just tell the Jordyptians to FUCK OFF.

407 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:50:40pm

re: #395 sparrowlake

and the little bugger was standing on the rope-suspended squirrel-proof bird feeder just laughing at me as I yelled at it to get away from the seed.

I was going to say "maybe it didn't understand English", but if it was laughing at you, well, anything's possible.

408 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:51:02pm

re: #398 HDrepub


Somebody here at work said that stuff works well.

I use .22 CB short ammo in a long barrel single shot rifle, velocity for the little bullet is only 700fps and it is subsonic. Not much more noise than a powerful pellet rifle, and more accurate too.
If you pick your shots carefully you can use it in populated areas.

Thats the advantage of the birdshot, only lethal (to squirrels) at out to 4 yards, shoot them at 5 and you will not penetrate. That way you don't have to worry about collateral damage. The tiny pellets lose velocity at an astounding rate, and can't pose a problem for someone across the street. Disadvantage is you have to be close (you must be stealthy and stalk them, miss once and they learn quick).

409 Peter Verkooijen  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:51:43pm

re: #385 galloping granny

Essentially that the US would be just fine under an Obama presidency. Spit.

Oh well... But Rice is on her way out. She's not going to be VP. I doubt she would have a role in a McCain administration.

McCain will win if he redefines the Republican Party, if he can turn it into the party for the future. He needs to chart/pave the way for the next generation of Republicans.

410 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:52:39pm
411 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:52:56pm

re: #401 RedPepper

Ever tried trapping 'em?

I've caught & exiled quite a few, using my trusty Hav-a-Hart and over-the-hill peanut butter ...

I tried traps, but always caught the wrong ones. I wanted the hole makers, not the ones minding their own business. With the rifle, I get the one thats got it coming.

412 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:53:11pm

re: #403 Nevergiveup

So I stopped on the way home and got me some Sam Adams Summer Ale, some pita and coumous, babganous, and Lebne.

Don't hide it, divide it.

413 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:53:26pm

re: #406 Alouette

I wish there was one Israeli leader who would just tell the Jordyptians to FUCK OFF.

I'd tell them: So yous piples don't like 93%. OK I'm gonna make ya an offer yous can't refuse. Your signature or your brains will be on this here peace treaty and now the number is 49%!

414 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:51pm

re: #407 Occasional Reader

I was going to say "maybe it didn't understand English", but if it was laughing at you, well, anything's possible.

We're not talking about illegal alien squirrels - these are home-grown, well-educated and sassy.
And besides, I get no respect.

415 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:55:58pm

re: #402 formercorpsman

Trust me, there are very hungry lawyers out there who bottom feed for any chance of a settlement, despite the legitamacy of their case.

And therein lies the problem.

416 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:56:10pm

re: #410 ploome hineni

another shoka

Trapped – collective punishment in Gaza

And what's wrong with collective punishment? You get what you voted for!

417 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:57:00pm

re: #404 sparrowlake

Nope, never tried it. Do ya think that Hav-a-Hart would work at illegal alien border-crossings - it sure would be nice to "exile" a few of those suckers.


Not sure Hav-a-Hart makes one that big ...

Not to mention, with the squirrels I just dump 'em in the woods ... about 8 miles away, & across a river ... I wouldn't want to have to drive one of our hermanos far enough away so he would not come back - not with the cost of gas these days !

418 paradox42  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:58:11pm

re: #410 ploome hineni

This is all I have to say about that.

419 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:59:10pm

re: #417 RedPepper

Not sure Hav-a-Hart makes one that big ...

Not to mention, with the squirrels I just dump 'em in the woods ... about 8 miles away, & across a river ... I wouldn't want to have to drive one of our hermanos far enough away so he would not come back - not with the cost of gas these days !

Hav-a-hart and some peanut butter worked well for me when a family of little guys got into my attic. I took to the other side of town across a busy highway. I must say they were not so happy in the car on the ride over.

420 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 2:59:39pm

re: #411 maddogg


Trap 'em all - let "survival of the fittest" sort 'em out!

Just so they do it elsewhere!

421 SummerSong  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:00:23pm

"coumous, babganous, and Lebne"

Huh?

422 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:01:12pm

re: #419 Nevergiveup

In most cases, the ones I got behaved better in the car than my pet cat does ...

423 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:01:32pm

re: #421 SummerSong

"coumous, babganous, and Lebne"

Huh?

Middle Eastern food. Chic pea spread and some with eggplant and some cheese spread all washed down with an American Ale.

424 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:02:44pm

re: #420 RedPepper

Trap 'em all - let "survival of the fittest" sort 'em out!

Just so they do it elsewhere!


I love having squirrels in the neighborhood. They are entertaining. I even have one for a pet (if you like mean vicious pets capable of biting through finger bones). I just don't like repairing holes in my roof, especially 4 or 5 times from the same animal.

425 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:02:51pm

re: #365 maddogg

You must hve been close, the 760 was unrifled.

About 40-45 feet.

426 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:02:53pm
427 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:02:58pm

re: #421 SummerSong

"coumous, babganous, and Lebne"

Huh?

I love babaganous.

428 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:00pm

re: #427 reine.de.tout

I love babaganous.

And you also spell it better than I do!

429 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:00pm

Dhimmi of the Day Award Winner goes to... Random House

Something terrible is happening today. Sherry Jones’ first novel The Jewel of Medina is not being published. I haven’t read the book — a fictional recreation of the life of one of Mohammed’s wives — but I know for a fact that the history of literature and thought will be poorer for its absence.

Random House, having scheduled the book for an August 12 publication, canceled it after an American academic roused Muslims to protest. The publishers say they received “cautionary advice not only that the publication of this book might be offensive to some in the Muslim community, but also that it could incite acts of violence by a small, radical segment.”

Yet again, the Islamofacists play the good cop/bad cop routine, and Western civilization knuckles under.

430 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:09pm

re: #425 Ward Cleaver

About 40-45 feet.

Shot him off of a telephone line, along an alley.

431 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:04:35pm

re: #415 David Simon

And therein lies the problem.


re: #402 formercorpsman

Trust me, there are very hungry lawyers out there who bottom feed for any chance of a settlement, despite the legitamacy of their case.


No sane client would choose to go to trial if a reasonable settlement was offered. The lawyer problem IMO is that high-volume inexperienced lawyers can make good money settling cases for unreasonably low amounts than holding out for a decent settlement or taking the case to trial.

432 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:05:47pm

re: #424 maddogg

I used to like squirrels as a kid, before I owned a house ...

(sigh) "Never own anything you have to feed - or paint!"

433 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:06:19pm

re: #428 Nevergiveup

And you also spell it better than I do!

It's spelled differently at every Greek/Lebanese restaurant in town.

434 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:06:23pm

re: #432 RedPepper

I used to like squirrels as a kid, before I owned a house ...

(sigh) "Never own anything you have to feed - or paint!"

How do my kids fit into that equation?

435 Ward Cleaver  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:06:24pm

re: #429 Kenneth

Random House, having scheduled the book for an August 12 publication, canceled it after an American academic roused Muslims to protest. The publishers say they received “cautionary advice not only that the publication of this book might be offensive to some in the Muslim community, but also that it could incite acts of violence by a small, radical segment.”


Don't they mean, "teeny, tiny, almost invisible segment"?

436 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:06:25pm

Had a friend in college that raised a gray squirrel from infancy. Scared the shit out of me when he turned around it was hanging on to the back of his shirt like he was a tree. (please, don't play with my pronoun references, you KNOW who was the tree and who was the post-infancy squirrel)

It liked ice-cream sandwiches.

437 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:06:42pm

re: #408 maddogg

I am deadly to all manner of urban rodents and pigeons with my pellet rifle. Single shot, pump action. One shot, one kill. Leave their bodies where they drop as a warning to the others. Or for the red tailed hawks.

438 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:07:06pm

re: #410 ploome hineni

another shoka

Trapped – collective punishment in Gaza

Since when are they trapped? The prison is of their own making and the key to the door is in their hands. All they have to do is decide they don't want to kill the Jews anymore, that they want to live in peace. That's it.

The only "wall" imprisoning them is their own mentality.

439 RedPepper  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:08:44pm

re: #434 Nevergiveup

How do my kids fit into that equation?

Last I checked, you don't "own" your kids.

Wait - you're not originally from Pakistan, are you ?

///?

440 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:09:30pm

re: #435 Ward Cleaver

Random House should have said to these shake-down artists "You control your small radical segment and we will look after our freedom of speech."

441 HDrepub  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:10:17pm

re: #419 Nevergiveup

Hav-a-hart and some peanut butter worked well for me when a family of little guys got into my attic. I took to the other side of town across a busy highway. I must say they were not so happy in the car on the ride over.

If you ever accidentally catch a skunk contact me for a method for removing ol' Pepe Le Peaux from the trap.

442 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:10:19pm

re: #438 Kenneth

Since when are they trapped? The prison is of their own making and the key to the door is in their hands. All they have to do is decide they don't want to kill the Jews anymore, that they want to live in peace. That's it.

The only "wall" imprisoning them is their own mentality.

Well 50%. They do have the Med Sea on one side and they have never been known as great swimmers and on the south side they have the Egyptians who hate them and want them to rot in hell! But your right, the Israeli's are the least of their problems!

443 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:11:23pm

re: #439 RedPepper

Last I checked, you don't "own" your kids.

Wait - you're not originally from Pakistan, are you ?

///?

With 2 kids in college I fell like they own me! I beg them to join the Navy every day!

444 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:11:54pm

re: #270 Ojoe

Belinko wrote a book I believe.

Also, the Mig 25 could make this fantastic Mach number.

Then you'd have to replace the engines.

Didn't the Israeli Air Force shoot one down with an F-15?

445 Nevergiveup  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:12:08pm

re: #441 HDrepub

If you ever accidentally catch a skunk contact me for a method for removing ol' Pepe Le Peaux from the trap.

Fuck that- give me your address and I'll send him to ya!

446 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:12:19pm

re: #438 Kenneth

All they have to do is decide they don't want to kill the Jews anymore

You'd just blithely strip them of their single most important cultural tradition, would you?!

It's like asking the French to give up cheese.

447 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:15:03pm

re: #436 Sol Roth

Had a friend in college that raised a gray squirrel from infancy. Scared the shit out of me when he turned around it was hanging on to the back of his shirt like he was a tree. (please, don't play with my pronoun references, you KNOW who was the tree and who was the post-infancy squirrel)

It liked ice-cream sandwiches.

I raised mine on a bottle and puppy formula, My wife was/is absolutely terrified of the evil little devil, and it knew it. So whenever it got the chance, it would stalk her and leap up on her back. I think it enjoyed the ride through the house on the back of a screaming, arm waving woman. Of course, I'm the one who had to pay for the squirrel's fun.

448 HDrepub  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:16:25pm

re: #445 Nevergiveup

Fuck that- give me your address and I'll send him to ya!

It can be done without getting sprayed. I had to do it once a couple of years ago. Get an old sheet or blanket, and hide behind it while walking slowly towards the trap, then drop the cover over the trap, pick it up and take it somewhere and release ol' Pepe. Worked for me.
Also if the trap is small enough it can do the standing on it's front legs with its ass in the air maneuver it can't spray. The sheet/blanket method is best though because if it can't see you it won't spray.

449 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:17:53pm

re: #438 Kenneth

Since when are they trapped? The prison is of their own making and the key to the door is in their hands. All they have to do is decide they don't want to kill the Jews anymore, that they want to live in peace. That's it.

The only "wall" imprisoning them is their own mentality.

The only walls stronger than hatred are those chains of love.

450 ploome hineni[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:18:05pm
451 HDrepub  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:18:34pm

re: #448 HDrepub
That should be "can't" do the standing on its front legs with its ass in the air, not can.

452 Occasional Reader  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:19:26pm

re: #447 maddogg

I think it enjoyed the ride... on... a screaming, arm waving woman

Don't we all?

453 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:20:20pm

re: #431 sparrowlake

No sane client would choose to go to trial if a reasonable settlement was offered. The lawyer problem IMO is that high-volume inexperienced lawyers can make good money settling cases for unreasonably low amounts than holding out for a decent settlement or taking the case to trial.

Correct.

Somewhere along the way, the concept of truth and justice, the original intent of our laws, & constitutional form of governance from the Founding Fathers has been usurped.

It really has become pandemic.

Too many lawyers will take something that is pure bullshit, and should never see the light of day, and build it up to something it is not, nor ever was.

There are many excellent lawyers who do strive to practice law the right way, and adhere to the principles of original intent. I cheer for them.

But trust me, I live this. It is real. It will affect all of us sooner or later.

It is totally dishonest to take on a case, which has no merit, dance around the periphery of platitudes & what could have been, play on sympathy instead of fact, looking for an easy payout despite what it might do to the reputation of someone who is an otherwise good person.

This is what the fucking Democrat party does with voters.

454 David Simon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:20:40pm

re: #446 Occasional Reader

You'd just blithely strip them of their single most important cultural tradition, would you?!

It's like asking the French to give up cheese.

And asking them to kill Jews is like asking the French to give up.

455 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:22:17pm

re: #450 ploome hineni

/racist

interfering with the arab fantasy narrative

you must be a zionazi

Worse, I'm a White Christian cultural imperialist, insensitively negating their indigenous hatred narrative.

456 Kenneth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:23:47pm

re: #452 Occasional Reader

Don't we all?

Lol!

Give a funny man a straight line...

457 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:24:19pm

re: #447 maddogg

I raised mine on a bottle and puppy formula, My wife was/is absolutely terrified of the evil little devil, and it knew it. So whenever it got the chance, it would stalk her and leap up on her back. I think it enjoyed the ride through the house on the back of a screaming, arm waving woman. Of course, I'm the one who had to pay for the squirrel's fun.

Was it's name Saddam?

458 Sol Roth  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:25:48pm

re: #448 HDrepub

It can be done without getting sprayed. I had to do it once a couple of years ago. Get an old sheet or blanket, and hide behind it while walking slowly towards the trap, then drop the cover over the trap, pick it up and take it somewhere and release ol' Pepe. Worked for me.
Also if the trap is small enough it can do the standing on it's front legs with its ass in the air maneuver it can't spray. The sheet/blanket method is best though because if it can't see you it won't spray.

Yeah, sure it can.

459 maddogg  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:27:29pm

re: #457 Sol Roth

Was it's name Saddam?

No, Treerat, and I still have her. I am the only one who can handle her without stitches and iodine:)

460 J.D.  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:34:27pm

Nice.

461 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:38:53pm

re: #453 formercorpsman

Too many lawyers will take something that is pure bullshit, and should never see the light of day, and build it up to something it is not, nor ever was.
It is totally dishonest to take on a case, which has no merit, dance around the periphery of platitudes & what could have been, play on sympathy instead of fact, looking for an easy payout despite what it might do to the reputation of someone who is an otherwise good person.

In theory you are correct.
But what about the ethics of the defence attorney who recommends payment of a bullshit claim and the defendant (usually an insurer) who agrees to pay - isn't he/she just as culpable as the plaintiff and his/her attorney?

462 HDrepub  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:41:30pm

re: #458 Sol Roth

Yeah, sure it can.

Would I lie to my fellow lizards. How dare you impugn my lizardoid integrity. :)

463 eaglewingz08  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:49:10pm

Gee, a guy that voted against and killed a bill in the Illinois legislature, that even every member of the US Senate voted in favor of, to protect babies born alive after failed abortions, is NOT a leftist in the eyes of the CPUSA? A guy who purposefully courted every leftwing nutbag in Illinois and elsewhere on his rise to power, is not a leftist in the eyes of the CPUSA? This is nothing more than a wink wink nudge nudge endorsement. The CPUSA knows how really leftwing the Obamanation is, but also knows that if it comes out and says that, it will be further used against their fellow traveller, Obama, so it calls him 'progressive' as if slavery and communism is 'progressive' and freedom and private property rights is horrific.
Why is it that all these anti american parties and groups find such delight and succor in the possibility of the Obamanation winning the Presidency? Do they know something the American public is supposed to ignore?

464 mattm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:53:31pm
A broad multiclass, multiracial movement is converging around Obama’s “Hope, change and unity” campaign because they see in it the thrilling opportunity to end 30 years of ultra-right rule and move our nation forward with a broadly progressive agenda.

Multiclass until the Communists take hold the it is the "ruling class" and the "pesants." Which is what they claim it is now.

465 mattm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:55:28pm

This reminds me of the crap my union sent me about how Obama (whit shining halos around his face) is the Best thing to have happen and why as a good union member it is impartiave that you support him or else workers will no longer have rights, etc.

466 formercorpsman  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 3:59:56pm

re: #461 sparrowlake

Totally.

It is a vicious cycle.

I know there is no good answer.

But I can say, with hyperbole, it is a massive problem.

I know Ob/Gyn's who refuse to deliver babies anymore.

I know a very good Neurosurgeon who left my area because of the malpractice.

The only county hospital with a "trauma" certification forfeited it years ago because of the problems related to it.

I know 3 orthopedists who went south because of it.

Most of the public in the northeast portion of the country still have not felt the consequence of it.

But trust me, when it comes down to the crucial minutes you have when your brain aneurysm ruptures, realizing the guy who could have saved your life moved 200 miles away because of this problem is the tree bearing fruit.

Like I said, it is real.

As well, it is very tempting to just settle it. Knowing during the deposition, just by the questions your are getting, what you might be hung on had nothing to do with what you actually did. Even if you are not guilty.

Do you remember the Septa escalator case from Philadelphia some years ago?

467 LEGION  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:18:47pm

So why not endorse him? Wasn't obama's mommy a commie?

468 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:19:19pm
469 reddragon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:30:42pm

NO big shocker there.... he is a marxist

470 caliphibian  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:31:01pm

Here are Communism's goals in 1963 as recorded in the Congressional Record: [Link: www.uhuh.com...] The commies have met most of their goals it seems. I don't know anything about the main website, but it has some Ron Paul statements.

471 JohnnyReb  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 4:47:29pm

re: #302 Son of the Black Dog

Anyone who thinks we should have national health care should be required to get their medical care from the VA for a couple years.

Amen! And let me tell you, you will never ever go back. You will get a job and pay $100 a week or more just to get real healthcare.

Trust me on this one. You do not want the government running your health care plan. Been there and done that, and I will not go back (after 3 bad VA knee surgeries on the same frigging knee and I still limp like a cripple).

472 Muadib  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 5:02:37pm

This is good news.

473 Bucky Katt  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:08:35pm

re: #12 uncle_monkey

Well..if you're a CPUSA member..yep Billy Jeff and Jimmah are right wing ideologues.

474 Zardah  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:01pm

"We can't expect the American People to jump from Capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism, until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."

-- Nikita Khrushchev

475 Robert O.  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:51:34pm
“Hope, change and unity” campaign because they see in it the thrilling opportunity to end 30 years of ultra-right rule

30 years of ultra-right rule? So that'd be.....1978. Jimmy Carter was the last President they liked. That figures, LOL!

476 Zardah  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 6:53:03pm

keep those old bolt actions operational people, target practice, learn reloading.

Intellegence knows better but wisdom knows best, know the difference and you'll conquer the rest.

477 sparrowlake  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 7:52:53pm

re: #466 formercorpsman

The problems of evidence tampering, witness tampering, jury tampering and other forms of obstruction of justice are very serious but different matters from what we were discussing.
Out of court settlements in civil cases and plea bargains in criminal cases are both common and rational reactions to the uncertainties of the trial process and to the high costs of litigation. I can live with these so long as the results are within the bounds of reasonableness.
However, it is the grossly improvident civil settlements facilitated by unscrupulous lawyers and the unduly lenient plea bargains okayed by overburdened prosecutors which bring the justice system into disrepute.


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