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Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 9:52:16 pm PDT

Who are we? The answer to this question is not only one of the tasks, but the task of science.

Erwin Schrödinger

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1 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:53:55pm

6 days left till D-day. My son leaves for the bootcamp...

2 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:54:13pm

Am I here, or am I not?

Schrodinger's cat.

3 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:54:20pm

I'm not ready for this...

4 Metal Man  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:55:21pm

Oh crap Charles is handing out homework in the overnight thread.

5 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:55:22pm

Hello, I must be going

6 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:55:35pm

re: #1 Maximu§

6 days left till D-day. My son leaves for the bootcamp...

USMC?

Which ever my thanks to him, to you for raising him.

Godspeed to your son.

7 gearhead  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:57:15pm

Schrodinger, huh? Let the cats posts begin.

I can haz peek in box?

8 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:57:26pm

GAG!

Flipped on the evening news, Oprah is on before news. Micheal Moore is pontificating on health care!

A pox upon him, and may he seek treatment in a regular Cuba clinic.

9 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:57:42pm

Well, Charles, You did threaten to make this a cat blog

10 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:57:49pm

re: #6 jcm

USMC?

Which ever my thanks to him, to you for raising him.

Godspeed to your son.

He's going Army, same MOS as I was in, 19D Cavalry Scout. We're having a big party on Saturday if your close by jcm.

11 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:57:56pm

re: #9 Mars Needs Neocons

Well, Charles, You did threaten to make this a cat blog

MEOW!

12 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:58:49pm

re: #10 Maximu§

He's going Army, same MOS as I was in, 19D Cavalry Scout. We're having a big party on Saturday if your close by jcm.

My former BIL was Cav Scout in GWI.

13 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:59:04pm

Who are we?

What I wanna know is, who is He?

///You know. O-baby!

14 Bubblehead II  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:59:07pm

A repost from the last thread for Mandy and The goddessofthe classroom.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/showc/496/5700257

Take care of the little guy.

15 inkling  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:59:12pm

Are we not men?

16 Metal Man  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:59:12pm

re: #1 Maximu§

Thank Him from me also for taking the time to make sure me and mine are safe.

17 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:59:17pm

re: #10 Maximu§

He's going Army, same MOS as I was in, 19D Cavalry Scout. We're having a big party on Saturday if your close by jcm.

13B here.

18 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 9:59:52pm

re: #15 inkling

Are we not men?

Meow!

19 gas238  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:00:31pm

The task at hand is defeating Obama. Lets all work to that end.
Being is a Pee Match with Darwin and the intelligent design folks
goes against that goal. LETS beat the pants of that socialist Obama
then we can go back to the Darwin knock down drag out later.
Makes no sense now to split the base, keep the nose to the Beat Obama like a stepchild grindstone. Cant we all just get along!

Plenty of time left in this life to argue later.

20 lori lane  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:01:13pm

re: #18 jcm

Meow!

Meowwwwwwwwwwwwwww!

21 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:01:34pm

Only two posts and already he's pissing on the carpet.

22 SpaceJesus  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:02:42pm

I'm SpaceJesus.


...Hello Nobel Prize?

23 Syrah  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:02:54pm

re: #15 inkling

Are we not men?

We are Devo

24 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:03:12pm

Well, if it's gonna be a cat blog:

An Engineer's Guide to Cats

25 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:03:18pm

re: #19 gas238

gas238
Registered since: May 4, 2008 at 7:23 pm
No. of comments posted: 2
No. of links posted: 0


Pay attention. DI is bed with both the Islamist and Russians.

It's about liberty for all.

26 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:03:41pm

re: #19 gas238

Cant we all just get along!

Well - I guess that depends on how you define the word "we" !

27 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:04:02pm

re: #21 Mars Needs Neocons Hey y'all - posted this on the prior thread, but figure you may have missed it so I'm reposting it for you FWIW:
"Huh - well y'all could write to the DOD or if there are any Armed Forces Recruiting Stations near you, drop in and ask them (they'll probably bad mouth "the competition" but I'll bet money they know about "civilian" recruiters, at least in general if not that particular outfit).
And I do understand and empathize ENORMOUSLY with your wanting to stay home and be with all of your family.
I'm just plumb out of ideas for you, I'm afraid. I do know ONE THING FOR SURE - while you are looking for gainful employment, why not try working with some worthwhile charity (ies) for a while - it will help out folks who really need the help, increase or maintain your sense of self-worth, give you some "job satisfaction" that I NEVER got from a job - even jobs I loved and was IMHO excellent at doing - and hell, it really doesn't hurt the ole CV. And besides THAT, I know three people who found gainful employment while working for a charity! I worked for two larger charities (in terms of money we spent, number of people we helped) and had at least half a dozen job offers based ON HOW I DID MY JOB at the charity -and I'm not talking legal work either, just being able to organize, customize and watch every nickle and dime."

28 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:04:36pm
29 inkling  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:04:38pm

re: #23 Syrah

We are Devo

I knew someone would have the right response!

30 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:04:56pm

re: #12 jcm

My former BIL was Cav Scout in GWI.

I think you mentioned that to me before. He's heading to Fort Knox...I wonder if they still have those old WW II barracks at the reception area?

Hell, I was drunk when I got to boot camp...some old ex-Marine got me drunk on the flight in.

31 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:06:15pm

re: #3 Maximu§ Well God bless him and you - and you'll never be "ready" for it; but I certainly appreciate his service and your concern.
From one vet to another - please give him our thanks for serving our Nation, and be proud that you raised such a fine son.

32 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:06:37pm

re: #17 Mars Needs Neocons

13B here.


artillary? As tough as my MOS was, I always felt sorry for the Mortar Crews....they really humped.

33 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:07:18pm

re: #30 Maximu§

I think you mentioned that to me before. He's heading to Fort Knox...I wonder if they still have those old WW II barracks at the reception area?

Hell, I was drunk when I got to boot camp...some old ex-Marine got me drunk on the flight in.

When he and my sister were at Fort Knox, he was on post, she called my dad in Portland OR.
"Dad there's a snake in my kitchen, I'm standing on the table!"

34 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:07:20pm

re: #27 realwest

Yeah, I saw it.

re: #524 Mars Needs Neocons

I do stop in and help out with the company that I did my community based assessment with. Just couldn't abandon the clients there.

Here's mine.

35 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:07:27pm

re: #21 Mars Needs Neocons

Yo Mars: stay frosty.

After all, this is a cat thread - right ?

/Didn't you ever have a cat that marked his territory ?

36 StudSupreme  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:07:58pm

Obama can still win..........he seems to have ENORMOUS financial backing, and one gets the impression that he has publicists, advertisers, propagandizers and strategists that only the very best money can buy.

I'm not a conspiracy tard, but I can't help but get the feeling that Obama is the perfect front man for someone else's agenda. I'm sure I sound stupid beyond definition for writing that, but I wonder......

37 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:08:23pm

re: #31 realwest

Well God bless him and you - and you'll never be "ready" for it; but I certainly appreciate his service and your concern.
From one vet to another - please give him our thanks for serving our Nation, and be proud that you raised such a fine son.


Thanks rw... I tried to talk him into college, but he made up his mind.

38 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:09:43pm

re: #34 Mars Needs Neocons Hey, I was just trying to help, ya know?

39 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:09:45pm

re: #36 StudSupreme

Obama can still win..........he seems to have ENORMOUS financial backing, and one gets the impression that he has publicists, advertisers, propagandizers and strategists that only the very best money can buy.

I'm not a conspiracy tard, but I can't help but get the feeling that Obama is the perfect front man for someone else's agenda. I'm sure I sound stupid beyond definition for writing that, but I wonder......

That someone else is Soros. BHO is wired in with ACORN which is making a science of stealing elections. Hang on to your hat.

40 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:10:04pm

re: #32 Maximu§

artillary? As tough as my MOS was, I always felt sorry for the Mortar Crews....they really humped.

Yep, had the big guns. (of course the navy guys are snickering now). 155mm (not self-propelled.)

I did work advance team briefly (brought the gun in perfectly lined up 180 degrees off the mark) That pretty much did that.

41 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:10:20pm

re: #35 Temujin

Yo Mars: stay frosty.

After all, this is a cat thread - right ?

/Didn't you ever have a cat that marked his territory ?

LOL

42 Salem  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:10:29pm

re: #19 gas238

The task at hand is defeating Obama. Lets all work to that end.
Being is a Pee Match with Darwin and the intelligent design folks
goes against that goal. LETS beat the pants of that socialist Obama
then we can go back to the Darwin knock down drag out later.
Makes no sense now to split the base, keep the nose to the Beat Obama like a stepchild grindstone. Cant we all just get along!

Plenty of time left in this life to argue later.

*nods* No!

43 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:10:40pm

I sincerely hope that I am more than a mere accident of carbon based chemistry, as I slowly evolve into full blown curmudgeonhood.

44 StudSupreme  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:11:04pm

re: #39 jcm

I'd heard about Soros. Don't know who ACORN is. Are they some sort of PR firm?

Anyway - I find this all deeply disturbing. I really hope I'm just being stupid and paranoid to no purpose.

45 kynna  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:11:19pm

Obama: I know exactly who I am. I am The One that I have been waiting for. And Michelle's children, too. *checks teleprompter* and my children. Aaaaah. They're also my children. *pounds on teleprompter* Aaaaaah. HOPE! CHANGE! *pounds teleprompter again* HOPE!

46 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:11:41pm

re: #37 Maximu§ Well hell Maximus (sorry, don't know how to do that thingy at the end of your name) - as much as you know I'm right and as much as you don't want to hear it, it was HIS decision to make.
As I said, I think you should be damned proud of raising a fine son.

47 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:11:51pm

re: #43 rawmuse

I sincerely hope that I am more than a mere accident of carbon based chemistry, as I slowly evolve into full blown curmudgeonhood.

Is that next? I was looking at a red two seat convertible. My wife walks by and says, "No, you can't have a midlife crisis."

48 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:11:52pm

re: #38 realwest

Hey, I was just trying to help, ya know?

I know. I wasn't trying to say anything. I appreciate everything. I'm just going nuts right now. This is the first time in a year of searching that I am actually in danger of losing my vehicle at the least.

49 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:12:07pm

re: #3 Maximu§

I'm not ready for this...

I bet you're not. I can't imagine.

But you know, if we raise our children right, we raise them to leave us; regardless of how difficult it is for us as parents, it simply must be that way.

50 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:13:39pm

re: #44 StudSupreme

I'd heard about Soros. Don't know who ACORN is. Are they some sort of PR firm?

Anyway - I find this all deeply disturbing. I really hope I'm just being stupid and paranoid to no purpose.

ACORN is a community activitist group, big into *cought* fraudulent *cough* voter registration then voting those registration. A bunch in jail in WA State, investigations in about 7 other states.

51 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:14:10pm
Who are we?

It's really a trick question, in that two parts comprise the answer:

1. What are we? - Answered scientifically;

2. Why are we? - Answered theologically.

These are dimensionally perpendicular; the facts of science are only proven independent of the beliefs of theology, and the strength of faith is its not not measured by objective facts.

As to "where are we," you'll have to ask Professor Heisenberg.

52 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:14:18pm

re: #47 jcm

Already did the convertible. Moving on to boat.

53 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:15:50pm

re: #51 Clemente

What about, "When are we ?"

54 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:16:10pm

re: #52 rawmuse

Already did the convertible. Moving on to boat.

LOL! We're looking at time share yachting. Puget sound is boating capitol of the US.

55 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:16:40pm

re: #53 Temujin

Relative to where...

;)

56 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:16:50pm

re: #36 StudSupreme
"one gets the impression that he has publicists, advertisers, propagandizers and strategists that only the very best money can buy."
Well, from where I'm sitting he ain't getting much for his money now. Maybe during the primaries (if Hillary really is through) but sure as hell not lately.
And I personally think he's a front for himself.
At my younger, most competitive and aggressive stage, I never had the pure narcissism or lacked the ability to critique myself that he does.

57 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:17:08pm

re: #44 StudSupreme

Personally, I find a little paranoia to be useful: But only a little bit. Your concerns are perfectly reasonable.

58 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:18:26pm

re: #55 Clemente

Relative to where...

;)

You wouldn't say that if you had my relatives !

/

59 irish rose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:18:48pm

Evening lizards, another sleepless night for me.
I need distraction.

60 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:18:56pm

Scandal rocks the Olympics.

The spirit of Milli Vanilli haunts the games.

61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:19:09pm

re: #57 MrPaulRevere

"Paranoia is a very comforting state of mind. If you think they’re out to get you, it means you think you matter."

62 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:19:21pm

re: #46 realwest

Well hell Maximus (sorry, don't know how to do that thingy at the end of your name) - as much as you know I'm right and as much as you don't want to hear it, it was HIS decision to make.
As I said, I think you should be damned proud of raising a fine son.

In a way I'm glad he's getting away from his loser friends....4 years of service made me a Man and I hope it does the same for him. When I got home, my loser friends were still losers....nothing changed.

63 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:19:46pm

re: #43 rawmuse
Huh. As you slowly evolve into curmudgeonhood?
Hell, relax my friend - you're already there!
/ducks and heads for cover! LOL!

64 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:19:47pm

re: #60 jcm

Scandal rocks the Olympics.

The spirit of Milli Vanilli haunts the games.

I feel so bad for that kid.

65 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:20:02pm

re: My #51

...is its not not... &c

PIs'ntMF

66 Gearhead  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:20:03pm

re: #60 jcm

Scandal rocks the Olympics.

The spirit of Milli Vanilli haunts the games.

Blame it on the Rain Smog

67 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:20:24pm

re: #59 irish rose

Evening lizards, another sleepless night for me.
I need distraction.

Do you play dominoes?

68 MrPaulRevere  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:20:35pm

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or....my personal favorite.."Just because you are paranoid doensn't mean they aren't out to get you"

69 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:20:50pm

re: #44 StudSupreme
Google ACORN or just search LGF for ACORN. I ain't gonna do your work for you, besides, I surely don't want to spoil the surpise!

70 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:21:19pm

re: #58 Temujin

Not certain I don't...

71 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:22:14pm

Schrodinger's Cat
[Link: whatis.techtarget.com...]

72 irish rose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:22:45pm

re: #67 rawmuse

Do you play dominoes?

Too miserable.
I'm just going to sit here and read.

73 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:23:57pm

re: #49 reine.de.tout

I bet you're not. I can't imagine.

But you know, if we raise our children right, we raise them to leave us; regardless of how difficult it is for us as parents, it simply must be that way.

I offered him my new Shelby, tried to bribe him with an apartment, college of his choice...nothing worked. I guess he's got my stubborn streak...I know I won't sleep well while he's gone tho..

Come to think of it, I never sleep well...at least 4 times a night I wake up and check AO out for sappers...lol

74 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:24:00pm

re: #66 Gearhead

Blame it on the Rain Smog

Bush.

/While you still can !

75 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:24:36pm

I find dominoes in a foursome stimulating.

76 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:24:41pm

re: #59 irish rose

Evening lizards, another sleepless night for me.
I need distraction.

Here, read up on Schrödinger's cat. That should put you to sleep.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

77 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:24:53pm

re: #48 Mars Needs Neocons Shit. I am sorry and am feeling very impotent right now, cause I don't know how to help y'all out. And I do understand the not the salesman type psyche - never was much good at it myself.
How old did you say you were? And do I recall correctly that you live in Wy ?

78 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:25:24pm

re: #60 jcm

The spirit of Milli Vanilli haunts the games.

LOL, I read about this.....the Chinese should have let the original girl sing.

79 Gearhead  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:25:37pm

re: #75 rawmuse

I find dominoes in a foursome stimulating.

Now THAT'S multitasking.

80 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:25:43pm

re: #63 realwest

Huh. As you slowly evolve into curmudgeonhood?
Hell, relax my friend - you're already there!
/ducks and heads for cover! LOL!

One day, you will be correct. For the moment, I still enjoy a good laugh too much to be a full time curmudgeon.

81 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:26:43pm

re: #70 Clemente

Not certain I don't...

Trust me - you'd be certain if you did.

“They haven’t got Brains, any of them, only grey fluff that’s blown into their heads by mistake, and they don’t Think.” -- Eeyore

82 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:27:09pm

re: #67 rawmuse

28 tiles + two scheming, manipulative mind-readers + ten cents a point + 24 cans of beer = Good Times!

83 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:27:53pm

re: #77 realwest

Shit. I am sorry and am feeling very impotent right now, cause I don't know how to help y'all out. And I do understand the not the salesman type psyche - never was much good at it myself.
How old did you say you were? And do I recall correctly that you live in Wy ?

38 and in MT. Almost got a job in the BLM using a VA program, but then they wound up hiring from within.

84 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:28:14pm

re: #80 rawmuse

One day, you will be correct. For the moment, I still enjoy a good laugh too much to be a full time curmudgeon.

I have always aspired to have Andy Rooney's job. What could be more fun than complaining about EVERYTHING and getting paid for it?

85 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:28:23pm

re: #59 irish rose Hey Rose. I'm sorry about those sleepless nights - have you tried Ambien 12.5 CR (and yes I know that won't help with the underlying concerns you have, but it DOES help me, at least, to shut my damned mind off and get some sleep).

86 jcm  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:28:51pm

I'm out lizards have a good night.

All wealth is the product of labor.
John Locke

87 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:30:00pm

re: #84 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, but those eyebrows of his are truly scary. They need a controlled burn or something.

88 freetoken  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:30:09pm

re: #83 Mars Needs Neocons

And you want to stay in MT, correct? (May have missed this earlier....)

I'd like to move to some other places... but the likelihood of finding what I want/need in small/less populated locales is limited.

Wish you well in your search... don't give up.

89 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:30:38pm

re: #85 realwest

Hey Rose. I'm sorry about those sleepless nights - have you tried Ambien 12.5 CR (and yes I know that won't help with the underlying concerns you have, but it DOES help me, at least, to shut my damned mind off and get some sleep).

I was prescribed half a tab of trazadone. Helps with my sleep, restless leg, and takes a little more of the edge off my depression.

90 swamprat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:31:50pm

goodnight. Song starts at 0:52

91 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:32:13pm

re: #73 Maximu§ ROTFL!
Ya know, I actually do check my "perimeter" every night before I turn in and since I,uh, have to get up once and usually twice, I check it again! Been like this for 30+ years now.

92 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:33:01pm
93 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:33:29pm

re: #88 freetoken

And you want to stay in MT, correct? (May have missed this earlier....)

I'd like to move to some other places... but the likelihood of finding what I want/need in small/less populated locales is limited.

Wish you well in your search... don't give up.

LOL, if I haven't given up after a year I don't plan on it now. I'm just afraid I'm about to go into a job I know I can't do, just to make the bills for now. I hope the hell I can keep my head together long enough to get a check or two.

Of course I mentioned a couple days back that I'm in a catch 22
If I get a job before the first then I have to start paying back my student loans. If not I can extend my deferment, but can't make my car payment. Plus if I get a job my rent goes up A LOT.

94 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:35:38pm

re: #90 swamprat

That's a sight for sore ears, Swampy! Good link! :D

95 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:35:49pm

re: #85 realwest

realwest : Have you tried Know Your Power: A Message to America's Daughters, by Nancy Pelosi and Amy Hill Hearth ?

I hear it'll put you in a deep sleep inside of three minutes every time!

96 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:36:20pm

re: #91 realwest

ROTFL!
Ya know, I actually do check my "perimeter" every night before I turn in and since I,uh, have to get up once and usually twice, I check it again! Been like this for 30+ years now.

Old habits die hard. I find myself on nightly patrol all the time....3-4 times a night I check the permeter for enemies. Course I also go the refrigerator for a pull of fresh OJ.

97 Spirit93  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:36:49pm

Schroedinger, Erwin! Professor of physics!
Wrote daring equations! Confounded his critics!
(Not bad, eh? Don't worry. This part of the verse
Starts off pretty good, but it gets a lot worse.)
Win saw that the theory that Newton'd invented
By Einstein's discov'ries had been badly dented.
What now? wailed his colleagues. Said Erwin, "Don't panic,
No grease monkey I, but a quantum mechanic.
Consider electrons. Now, these teeny articles
Are sometimes like waves, and then sometimes like particles.
If that's not confusing, the nuclear dance
Of electrons and suchlike is governed by chance!
No sweat, though--my theory permits us to judge
Where some of 'em is and the rest of 'em was."
Not everyone bought this. It threatened to wreck
The comforting linkage of cause and effect.
E'en Einstein had doubts, and so Schroedinger tried
To tell him what quantum mechanics implied.
Said Win to Al, "Brother, suppose we've a cat,
And inside a tube we have put that cat at--
Along with a solitaire deck and some Fritos,
A bottle of Night Train, a couple mosquitoes
(Or something else rhyming) and, oh, if you got 'em,
One vial prussic acid, one decaying ottom
Or atom--whatever--but when it emits,
A trigger device blasts the vial into bits
Which snuffs our poor kitty. The odds of this crime
Are 50 to 50 per hour each time.
The cylinder's sealed. The hour's passed away. Is
Our pussy still purring--or pushing up daisies?
Now, you'd say the cat either lives or it don't
But quantum mechanics is stubborn and won't.
Statistically speaking, the cat (goes the joke),
Is half a cat breathing and half a cat croaked.
To some this may seem a ridiculous split,
But quantum mechanics must answer, "Tough @#&!
We may not know much, but one thing's fo' sho':
There's things in the cosmos that we cannot know.
Shine light on electrons--you'll cause them to swerve.
The act of observing disturbs the observed--
Which ruins your test. But then if there's no testing
To see if a particle's moving or resting
Why try to conjecture? Pure useless endeavor!
We know probability--certainty, never.'
The effect of this notion? I very much fear
'Twill make doubtful all things that were formerly clear.
Till soon the cat doctors will say in reports,
"We've just flipped a coin and we've learned he's a corpse."'
So saith Herr Erwin. Quoth Albert, "You're nuts.
God doesn't play dice with the universe, putz.
I'll prove it!" he said, and the Lord knows he tried--
In vain--until fin'ly he more or less died.
Win spoke at the funeral: "Listen, dear friends,
Sweet Al was my buddy. I must make amends.
Though he doubted my theory, I'll say of this saint:
Ten-to-one he's in heaven--but five bucks says he ain't."

--CECIL ADAMS

98 swamprat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:38:44pm

re: #94 Karridine
Thanks!.... and yet I must be going.....g'night Karridine!

99 RTLM  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:39:11pm

I live in CA and I'm watching the Olympics. I just saw Phelps win the "Live" 200 yard Butterfly. Why does NBC display the "Live" screen logo when its not live?

100 irish rose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:39:48pm

re: #85 realwest

Hey Rose. I'm sorry about those sleepless nights - have you tried Ambien 12.5 CR (and yes I know that won't help with the underlying concerns you have, but it DOES help me, at least, to shut my damned mind off and get some sleep).

My damned mind is turning somersaults and it's simply not possible to shut it off.

1. I just found out that my abusive ex is shacking up with a 60 year old woman that he knew in the biblical sense for the last ten years of our marriage.

2. My beautiful 18 year old daughter has taken leave of her senses and has decided that she is in love with a 43 year old man.

3. I caught my 16 year old son smoking pot, again

4. I took a hard fall and sprained my ankle at work, and I'm currently on comp restrictions and painkillers with massive bruising, a softball sized ankle, and a damaged ligament.

5. I'm still having asthma attacks, and I feel like shit.

Sucks to be me, currently.
At least the cancer isn't making a nasty comeback.

101 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:39:55pm

re: #93 Mars Needs Neocons


Yeah good luck finding a job....if you go into mechanical engineering and move to LA, send me an email.

102 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:40:07pm

re: #76 Walter L. Newton

Here, read up on Schrödinger's cat. That should put you to sleep.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Surely, both have been linked, but whadda-hay...

103 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:40:13pm

re: #83 Mars Needs Neocons 38? Crap (and sorry about the MT/WY mix up there!). I know a lot of folks have probably said this to you before - well meaning folks too - but you all (including your family and your Dad) need to get the hell out of MT and get to somewhere where there are JOBS. I've been to Big Sky country and it is beautiful - breathtakingly so. But I don't know that I'd rate my chances of finding a job very high in that area; just not enough jobs, especially if you can't get a job with the government.
Maybe you should just keep sending your resume to BLM and every other government agency you can find in the phone book, hell even the VA might be hiring (and Lord knows the VA needs the help; whether or not they've got the money to hire is another question I can't answer).

104 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:40:15pm
Who are we? The answer to this question is not only one of the tasks, but the task of science.

— Erwin Schrödinger

I disagree. Science can only tell us who we are biologically, not philosophically.

105 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:41:19pm

Italy is ahead of The Russians at Olympics. lol

106 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:41:24pm

re: #100 irish rose

My damned mind is turning somersaults and it's simply not possible to shut it off.

1. I just found out that my abusive ex is shacking up with a 60 year old woman that he knew in the biblical sense for the last ten years of our marriage.

2. My beautiful 18 year old daughter has taken leave of her senses and has decided that she is in love with a 43 year old man.

3. I caught my 16 year old son smoking pot, again

4. I took a hard fall and sprained my ankle at work, and I'm currently on comp restrictions and painkillers with massive bruising, a softball sized ankle, and a damaged ligament.

5. I'm still having asthma attacks, and I feel like shit.

Sucks to be me, currently.
At least the cancer isn't making a nasty comeback.

At least you have us......

107 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:41:42pm

re: #101 Maximu§

Yeah good luck finding a job....if you go into mechanical engineering and move to LA, send me an email.

lol. Don't think engineering is my thing. I've played bridge-it and pontifex and can't seem to get more than half way on either. LOL

108 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:41:52pm

re: #89 Mars Needs Neocons Uh, what is trazadone?

109 freetoken  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:41:59pm

re: #93 Mars Needs Neocons

Of course I mentioned a couple days back that I'm in a catch 22
If I get a job before the first then I have to start paying back my student loans. If not I can extend my deferment, but can't make my car payment. Plus if I get a job my rent goes up A LOT.

Hmmmm... the old rock & hard place routine I see...

When I graduated college (many years ago) I searched and searched.... did end up with a job offer (actually 2), took it.... and though I don't regret doing that somehow I feel as if I cheated myself by not doing what I wanted, and instead simply got a job because I needed the money. The job really wasn't what I thought I wanted to do, and in the end (after several years) that feeling never went away, though the job did provide security and money.

So, there is that tension....

If I were in your situation I wouldn't worry about the school loans (being late with a payment or two is hardly the end of the world, and what will they do - pull the knowledge out of your brain?)

110 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:42:14pm

re: #106 Maximu§

Hey Max, you been out riding lately?

111 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:42:17pm

re: #100 irish rose

My heart goes out to ya, lass. Wish I could make it all go away. Alas, I am but a mortal. There are many on the threads tonight whose hearts are heavy.

112 freetoken  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:42:43pm

re: #97 Spirit93

Erwin also liked plowing his neighbor's field, so to speak...

113 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:42:49pm

re: #100 irish rose

Will be thinking of you, IR.

114 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:44:40pm

re: #102 Clemente

Surely, both have been linked, but whadda-hay...

LOL. Love the second one. "In your quantum box... maybe."

115 irish rose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:44:42pm

Actually have to make a correction.
The bastard is 34, not 43.

116 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:44:52pm

re: #110 DesertSage

Hey Max, you been out riding lately?

Naw, too hot.

We did get a new 36' diesel pusher and I'm just getting ready for Thanks Giving...thats the start of our riding season.

117 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:44:56pm

re: #103 realwest

38? Crap (and sorry about the MT/WY mix up there!). I know a lot of folks have probably said this to you before - well meaning folks too - but you all (including your family and your Dad) need to get the hell out of MT and get to somewhere where there are JOBS. I've been to Big Sky country and it is beautiful - breathtakingly so. But I don't know that I'd rate my chances of finding a job very high in that area; just not enough jobs, especially if you can't get a job with the government.
Maybe you should just keep sending your resume to BLM and every other government agency you can find in the phone book, hell even the VA might be hiring (and Lord knows the VA needs the help; whether or not they've got the money to hire is another question I can't answer).

VA around here doesn't have crap. Part of the moving problem is there is no possible way to move without income.

For my father it doesn't matter, his diabetes has taken him out of the equation completely for jobs, unless he can find the funding to go about one of his ideas to create a business. If he can find the way, he will either be an independent grant writer, or he wants to start up the Montana Safety Council again.

Personally I just want to be rich enough to own a nice cigar shop. But with the hostility MT has toward smokers it will probably be illegal to sell it in the next 5 years.

118 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:46:27pm

re: #92 rawmuse
DAMN! Hooray for him! From your link: "He is 5-for-5 with world records in each of his events." (they mean in this olympiad!).

119 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:47:10pm

re: #107 Mars Needs Neocons

lol. Don't think engineering is my thing. I've played bridge-it and pontifex and can't seem to get more than half way on either. LOL


I design HVAC (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) systems and its all done on Autocad. You might like it.....when i got out of the Army, my Moms boss told me to be a mechanical engineer and that I would never be out of work and he was right.

120 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:47:31pm

re: #108 realwest

Uh, what is trazadone?

Anti-depressant. Sometimes used to help with sleeping problems. It's better than the anti-convulsants and anti-psychotics they tried before. Not really a fan of those kind of meds.

121 freetoken  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:47:53pm

re: #103 realwest

Well, the fed jobs website is [Link: www.usajobs.gov...] , though I suppose he already knows that...

The government was on a hiring spree of sorts lately (accounting for a significant number of new jobs in the US).

122 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:48:44pm

re: #119 Maximu§

I design HVAC (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) systems and its all done on Autocad. You might like it.....when i got out of the Army, my Moms boss told me to be a mechanical engineer and that I would never be out of work and he was right.

I used to use autocad in high school.

Now if I could find some company online that needs someone with 3-d animation experience I'd jump at that. Especially if I could work from home.

123 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:48:50pm

re: #116 Maximu§

Well, hell....let me take the 450X out while you wait for the weather to cool down :')

124 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:49:09pm

re: #121 freetoken

Well, the fed jobs website is [Link: www.usajobs.gov...] , though I suppose he already knows that...

The government was on a hiring spree of sorts lately (accounting for a significant number of new jobs in the US).

Yep, just not around here, lol.

125 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:51:40pm

re: #109 freetoken

True on that, except the organization that my loans are given to tends to take your tax returns, make it so you can't refinance or change your terms, and won't let you defer again if you have to. If you miss your payments. Plus they have all kinds of late fees. The scary part is that their terms are still better than a bank.

126 Clemente  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:52:18pm

re: #104 DesertSage

I disagree. Science can only tell us who we are biologically, not philosophically.

What I meant to say, you said better!

127 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:52:29pm

re: #44 StudSupreme

I'd heard about Soros. Don't know who ACORN is. Are they some sort of PR firm?

Anyway - I find this all deeply disturbing. I really hope I'm just being stupid and paranoid to no purpose.

You are not alone.
The Obama File - Employment
discoverthenetworks - CARL DAVIDSON

128 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:52:39pm

re: #122 Mars Needs Neocons

I used to use autocad in high school.

Now if I could find some company online that needs someone with 3-d animation experience I'd jump at that. Especially if I could work from home.

Theres a new program out called Rivit and its Autocad on steroides..Ive been going back to school to learn it, but its costing my company $4400 per station.

I can see my mechanical systems in 3D. It even warns you if your short on ceiling space and offers alternate duct routing ideas.

129 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:52:48pm

re: #100 irish rose
Geez Rose - I really don't know what to say (although your cancer not coming back is a DAMN good thing - and that's from someone who's cancer IS coming back or at least behaving a lot more aggressively). But that is exactly why I recommended Ambien 12.5 (although y'all ought to check with your doc - it's is a prescription med anyway - to see if it would interfere or not do well with your other meds) cause it does just, well, shut my brain down - totally stop thinking about everything that's bothering me and I do get to sleep for 6 or 7 hours; and getting some sleep does make it a little easier to deal with your other problems.

130 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:54:46pm

re: #100 irish rose

I hope and pray for your speedy recovery, Irish.

131 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:55:34pm

re: #128 Maximu§

Theres a new program out called Rivit and its Autocad on steroides..Ive been going back to school to learn it, but its costing my company $4400 per station.

I can see my mechanical systems in 3D. It even warns you if your short on ceiling space and offers alternate duct routing ideas.

Pretty sweet. Of course your guys know that 3-d home designer is only 19.99 and you get a second program free.

/Just kidding, I know the difference between that and a professional program.

I've been keeping my eyes open around here for a position that involves teaching or instructing people in computers, software, or just about any training program.

132 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:56:27pm

re: #104 DesertSage
Hey Sage! Good to see you! Regrettably, I've got to try to sleep soon where the hell were you earlier?! Darnit!

133 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:56:28pm

re: #123 DesertSage

Well, hell....let me take the 450X out while you wait for the weather to cool down :')

send me an email if your going to California city ok? we gotta meet up there.

Did you know California City is charging riders a fee ($10 per bike) to drive through their shitty town to go camping? They had a freaking road block set up on 20 Mule team road and I had to cough up $40.

134 freetoken  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:56:41pm

re: #125 Mars Needs Neocons

True on that, except the organization that my loans are given to tends to take your tax returns, make it so you can't refinance or change your terms, and won't let you defer again if you have to. If you miss your payments. Plus they have all kinds of late fees.

Ah yes... good'ol Guido's Car and College Loans - fingers optional!

Good luck kid... really wish I could help you, but there is little any of us can do (unless we're in MT and looking to hire...)

135 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:56:57pm

re: #128 Maximu§

Theres a new program out called Rivit and its Autocad on steroides..Ive been going back to school to learn it, but its costing my company $4400 per station.

I can see my mechanical systems in 3D. It even warns you if your short on ceiling space and offers alternate duct routing ideas.

I have a program on my desktop that might help, have you tried LEGO designer?
/

136 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:57:26pm

re: #134 freetoken

Ah yes... good'ol Guido's Car and College Loans - fingers optional!

Good luck kid... really wish I could help you, but there is little any of us can do (unless we're in MT and looking to hire...)

I wish, actually it's an organization through the state. SAF Student Assistance Foundation.

137 irish rose  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:57:38pm

OK, took some Tylenol PM and I'm going to try the sleep thing again.

Later.

138 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:58:01pm

re: #132 realwest

Hey Sage! Good to see you! Regrettably, I've got to try to sleep soon where the hell were you earlier?! Darnit!

Well, I was doing paperwork . Sorry :(

139 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:58:27pm

Cyberwar unsurprisingly rages in Georgia. From Beyond the Beyond, also has some interesting links.

140 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 10:58:33pm

Thanks again everybody, I just bring it up once in a while to update a couple people that I've been talking to here, but I always get a little more positive after hearing everyones ideas.

141 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:01:14pm

re: #135 Mars Needs Neocons

I have a program on my desktop that might help, have you tried LEGO designer?
/

LOL, I'll instruct all my engineers to start using it tomarrow...yer a genius!

142 DesertSage  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:02:05pm

re: #133 Maximu§

send me an email if your going to California city ok? we gotta meet up there.

Did you know California City is charging riders a fee ($10 per bike) to drive through their shitty town to go camping? They had a freaking road block set up on 20 Mule team road and I had to cough up $40.

Isn't that crazy? It's only going to get worse if Obama gets elected.

Plus, I always let air out of my tires when I switch from road riding to off road. I'm afraid that Obama's tire pressure police will arrest me.

143 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:02:51pm

re: #122 Mars Needs Neocons

I used to use T-square, triangles, paper and pencils in high-school.

/my nearly-petrified roots are showing! :D

144 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:03:26pm

re: #127 abolitionist

Nice links. Speaking of ACORN... ; )

145 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:03:30pm

re: #117 Mars Needs Neocons Hey, I KNOW how hard it is to do damn near anything without income and moving is one of the hardest. But as for your Dad, I didn't necessarily mean he should move to find work, I meant move so the two of you could still be "together".
And you can pay that damn stupid loan whenever you can - it's the vehicle (especially in MT) and the rent I'd worry about - but if you did get a job and a steady income, you'd be able to work stuff out.
Crap, maybe you should try Freetoken's suggestion in #121 and just keep banging away about it. I truly wish I had some dough - I'd lend it to you to move to where y'all could get a job.
Crap, again.

146 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:04:17pm

re: #141 Maximu§

LOL, I'll instruct all my engineers to start using it tomarrow...yer a genius!

lol
couldn't resist

147 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:07:00pm

Here is my suggestions and observations about job hunting. I may have posted them before, but I think it needs repeating. I wrote this in April 2007.

---

Are you over 50 and looking for employment? If you are, you may have noticed that there are a lot of jobs available in your field, but they don’t want you. My favorite response from the interviewer is “You are very qualified, but you don’t fit our corporate culture.” What in the world does that mean? The only “corporate culture” I’m interest in is… “Hi… I’m the boss… here’s what I want you to do… thank you for doing it... here’s your paycheck… now go home.”

Let me translate this for you. What they are saying is… “You’re to old.” Federal law does not allow an employer to discriminate because of your age but it does happen… all the time. I am presently looking for work as a computer programmer. I have been working in Information Technology since the days that we had those little beads on those wire thingy’s. The consulting firms that I have been dealing with have confirmed my suspicions. Fitting the corporate culture means that you’re under 30, will work for half the pay, you can spend at least 55 or more hours a week at your workstation and you promise not to die in your cube.

So… if you are having the same problem as I am, I offer some advice to you. The next time you have a face-to-face interview with a prospective employer… try this.

1) Light up a joint.
2) Hum a song by “Artic Monkeys” and bang your head on the interviewers desk.
3) Wear a backpack.
4) Make sure there is a snowboard or skateboard in your backpack.
5) Don’t wear your MP3 player on your wrist.
6) Use the phrase ‘Vodka and Red Bull” at least 3 times.
7) If outside activities come up, don’t use the words “recreation center,” it’s a gym.
8) If the interviewer offers you a latte, don’t look puzzled, that’s coffee.
9) Don’t ask if their health plan covers limb replacement.
10) Never tell the interviewer that his/her mother dresses him/her nicely.

Will this help? Probably not… but it will make you feel better.

148 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:07:08pm

Is the cat back?

[Link: www.macguff.fr...]

149 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:07:21pm

re: #145 realwest

Hey, I KNOW how hard it is to do damn near anything without income and moving is one of the hardest. But as for your Dad, I didn't necessarily mean he should move to find work, I meant move so the two of you could still be "together".
And you can pay that damn stupid loan whenever you can - it's the vehicle (especially in MT) and the rent I'd worry about - but if you did get a job and a steady income, you'd be able to work stuff out.
Crap, maybe you should try Freetoken's suggestion in #121 and just keep banging away about it. I truly wish I had some dough - I'd lend it to you to move to where y'all could get a job.
Crap, again.

Thanks. Actually the jobs I've applied for would have really been a hell of a step up (for here) but competition is fierce.

I think I'll consider the car sales job (pretty sure they'll offer it) and then I will apply for the recruiter position. With it paying between 30 and 35k a year I'll be in a better position, even if I only manage to make it a month or two.

150 Maximu§  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:07:34pm

I'm falling asleep...cya all tomarrow.

151 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:09:01pm

re: #131 Mars Needs Neocons HEY! Can you open your own business (from home) fixing or making 'puters run hotter than they were designed to do (sorta like souping up an old car into a hot rod)? Can you get a job with a school*, community college*, college* On-Line Universities* or any level government situation in fixing repairs ya know, IT work - hell you can tell 'em you speak english fluently!

*and maybe teaching computers to any or em.

152 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:09:20pm

re: #36 StudSupreme

Obama can still win..........he seems to have ENORMOUS financial backing, and one gets the impression that he has publicists, advertisers, propagandizers and strategists that only the very best money can buy.

I'm not a conspiracy tard, but I can't help but get the feeling that Obama is the perfect front man for someone else's agenda. I'm sure I sound stupid beyond definition for writing that, but I wonder......

We kinda figured that out a few weeks ago.

153 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:09:55pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

LOL, brilliant. You seem to have forgotten multiple piercings and tattoos though. That seems to be a requirement in the under 25 crowd around here. There's even a lot of them with that stupid earlobe extension crap.


My experiences have been either "you are over-qualified" or "you don't have enough experience".

154 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:11:15pm

re: #151 realwest

HEY! Can you open your own business (from home) fixing or making 'puters run hotter than they were designed to do (sorta like souping up an old car into a hot rod)? Can you get a job with a school*, community college*, college* On-Line Universities* or any level government situation in fixing repairs ya know, IT work - hell you can tell 'em you speak english fluently!

*and maybe teaching computers to any or em.

I've applied in all those areas.

Too hard to start your own business around here without a LOT of startup money. The peoples republic of billings requires a ton of city taxes. The state also wants a ton of money too.

155 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:11:17pm

re: #137 irish rose
Goodnight Rose - and I was serious about talking to your doc about that Ambien stuff.
And I surely do wish you the best of luck in dealing with all those problems.

156 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:11:41pm

re: #100 irish rose

All I can say is Owwwww...

157 hazzyday  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:11:45pm

McCain -- ON DUTY; Obama on vacation

158 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:12:15pm

re: #138 DesertSage
OK - THIS TIME! LOL! Shoot my friend, it's been too long since we've been on the boards together.

159 freetoken  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:13:27pm

re: #149 Mars Needs Neocons


I think I'll consider the car sales job (pretty sure they'll offer it) and then I will apply for the recruiter position. With it paying between 30 and 35k a year I'll be in a better position, even if I only manage to make it a month or two.

I was always told that it is easier to find a job if you already have one (works with women too.) So taking any job may be better than you think. (May work with women, too.)

160 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:14:01pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

One of the recruiters I dealt with while looking a few years back had seriously been told not to bring the company in question anyone over 38. Kinda freaked when I heard that over lunch - I'll be there in a few years.

Got one more for you - never call the interviewer son, kid, sport, tiger, etc. ad nauseum.

161 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:14:33pm

Irish Rose

Keep going, it's going to be rough but you seem strong. Don't let anything stop you. And don't be afraid to seek out help if you need it. I was always wary of seeking psych help because I didn't think anything was wrong with me, then I found out you don't need to have something wrong, you just have to have a sounding board. (and yes, sometimes meds are a lifesaver).

Sorry if I don't make any sense, I'm really tired right now. I think it's time to sign off for the night.

Thanks everyone. Goodnight.

162 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:15:41pm

re: #36 StudSupreme

Obama can still win..........he seems to have ENORMOUS financial backing, and one gets the impression that he has publicists, advertisers, propagandizers and strategists that only the very best money can buy.

I'm not a conspiracy tard, but I can't help but get the feeling that Obama is the perfect front man for someone else's agenda. I'm sure I sound stupid beyond definition for writing that, but I wonder......


When The Other Les says we more or less (Pun Intended) figured that out, he's also saying no, writing it does NOT make you sound retarded, Supreme.

You sound like a thinker, thinking in a new and unfamiliar thought-line, inasmuch as most people you've met in your life were pretty much WHAT and WHO they SAID THEY WERE! Right?

So meeting someone like Obambi is a challenge: HOW can THIS EMPTY SUIT actually get backing to become President of the most powerful nation in history? How? by being a cipher, for others to fund on condition they sink THEIR hooks into Obama, and he jump when they jerk their stringy-puppet thingies later...

163 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:16:20pm

re: #154 Mars Needs Neocons

Work online.

Try Elance, for starters.

164 Alberta Oil Peon  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:16:37pm

re: #154 Mars Needs Neocons

I've applied in all those areas.

Too hard to start your own business around here without a LOT of startup money. The peoples republic of billings requires a ton of city taxes. The state also wants a ton of money too.

Can't you just put up some flyers on the bulletin boards at supermarkets and C-stores? "Computer expert: your place or mine, virus removal, software installs, hardware upgrades. Phone xxx-zzzz"

165 rawmuse  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:17:09pm

re: #147 Walter L. Newton

Yeah, I have been getting some of that myself. My latest foray in to job hunting has been in the Law Enforcement field, and the wrinkle I came up against is that you have to have your Selective Service records. Mine are down the memory hole, as I was born before 1960, and thus are on cuneiform tablets somewhere. So far, it has kept me out of the FBI.

166 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:17:16pm

re: #160 Suihei Deloi
" never call the interviewer son, kid, sport, tiger, etc. ad nauseum." And one of those things y'all out to never call him is "Skippy" or "Scooter" - don't know why but those are the second and third worst words to use to an interviewer!
The worst word you can use to speak to an interviewer is to call him "darling"! LOL!

167 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:18:10pm

re: #165 rawmuse

"...cuneiform tablets somewhere..."

LMAO! :D

168 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:19:02pm

re: #163 Karridine

Work online.

Try Elance, for starters.

Hadn't heard of elance, I'll check it out tomorrow.

I was given to understand most of the online jobs were scams. Didn't know there was a source for real ones.

169 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:20:04pm

re: #164 Alberta Oil Peon

Can't you just put up some flyers on the bulletin boards at supermarkets and C-stores? "Computer expert: your place or mine, virus removal, software installs, hardware upgrades. Phone xxx-zzzz"

LOL, tried that, my fliers kept vanishing. That business is cutthroat. Good suggestion though.

170 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:20:15pm

re: #168 Mars Needs Neocons

Real, honest and reliable.

Now get some sleep, Neo

171 CyanSnowHawk  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:21:19pm

re: #10 Maximu§

He's going Army, same MOS as I was in, 19D Cavalry Scout. We're having a big party on Saturday if your close by jcm.

Your son has earned my respect for volunteering. May his training be good, his duty be honorable, and his parents be at ease. I was 67N (Utility Helicopter Repairer - Huey Crewchief) in a Cav unit. D Troop 1st Squadron 4th Cavalry. My avatar is the unit crest.

172 realwest  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:21:19pm

Well all y'all - it surely hasn't been a grand evening as usual - too many lizards with too many problems right now. But I am confident that things will work out for all of our lizards who were out her tonight talking about their troubles. Just talking about 'em helps a lot.
But I gotta go to sleep NOW!
Hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

173 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:22:22pm

re: #165 rawmuse

Yeah, I have been getting some of that myself. My latest foray in to job hunting has been in the Law Enforcement field, and the wrinkle I came up against is that you have to have your Selective Service records. Mine are down the memory hole, as I was born before 1960, and thus are on cuneiform tablets somewhere. So far, it has kept me out of the FBI.

Well, as most of you know, I'm over all that (right now). As long as the theatre job doesn't go south (it's a non-profit, something could always happen), I'll stick it out.

I only work hard 3 or 4 days a week, the other days I'm either doing nothing, a little private programming from home, or just some busy work for the theatre. So, it's almost like I'm semi-retired.

And besides, in a few months, Obama will support me, right?

/sarc

Night all, Walter in Golden, Co.

174 The Other Les  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:22:26pm

re: #162 Karridine

The fun part is figuring out WHO is pulling the strings on Obama.

Is it Soros? The Chicago Machine? A coalition? A committee?

Or is it the Alien Space Bats? (A group believed to be responsible for many alternate histories.)

175 Mars Needs Neocons  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:22:49pm

re: #170 Karridine

Real, honest and reliable.

Now get some sleep, Neo

Outta here. Have to be fresh for the interview.

Thanks again everyone, see you on the morrow.

(Bonus to online work, LGF while working. LOL. Can also watch my own youngest kid until he gets into school)

176 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:23:48pm

re: #175 Mars Needs Neocons

Outta here. Have to be fresh for the interview.

Thanks again everyone, see you on the morrow.

(Bonus to online work, LGF while working. LOL. Can also watch my own youngest kid until he gets into school)

Good luck, brother!

177 Temujin  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:24:30pm

re: #172 realwest

realwest - goodnight.

Don't let the bedbugs bite.

178 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:24:49pm

re: #165 rawmuse

How about the DEA? From what I've been reading lately, they've been doing some interesting things.

179 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:26:09pm

re: #175 Mars Needs Neocons

Good luck.

180 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:27:32pm

re: #176 astronmr20

Mars is a sister, I think, astron...

/fortunately, she won't see your faux pas, :D

181 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:29:45pm

re: #180 Karridine

oops.

183 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:35:08pm

re: #182 Salem

Kirk, Spock and Uhuru

Sulu, Scotty, McCoy, Chekov

Star Trek

Wha? ?

Wow.

As with most remakes, enormous potential for F-up exists (especially considering the past few trek movies).

However, I just watched "insurrection" the other day. Forgot that it was one of the better newer ones.

184 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:36:00pm

Uhuru had great tits, unless no one else noticed.

185 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:36:53pm

Wow.. JJ Abrams.

He's done some spectacular stuff, and some horrible stuff.

186 gop_patriot  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:37:14pm

re: #182 Salem

Oh, cool, Karl Urban is in it! I like him. Never would have thought of him as McCoy though.
:)

Thanks for the links.

187 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:39:05pm

It's all about the characters, though. If these kids just try to act "like" the originals, this will suck horribly.

if they re-invent the characters.. make the story more character driven, and "raw," we might be on to something.

Thinking of the Bond redux... we can only hope it would be that good.

OK I'll stop rambling.

188 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:42:07pm

re: #184 pat

Speaking of which, here is the new Tomb Raider gentlemen. As Darth would say, "Impressive. Most impressive."

189 Salem  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:42:52pm

re: #183 astronmr20

Wha? ?

Wow.

As with most remakes, enormous potential for F-up exists (especially considering the past few trek movies).

However, I just watched "insurrection" the other day. Forgot that it was one of the better newer ones.

I hope it's good. I don't know if they'd be able to corral all of the actors for a television series, so who knows what could become of it beyond a successful franchise. But tell me this guy isn't a dead-on Spock. The whole cast looks good. What happens when they open their mouths and utter their lines is another question.

190 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:44:22pm

re: #189 Salem

I hope it's good. I don't know if they'd be able to corral all of the actors for a television series, so who knows what could become of it beyond a successful franchise. But tell me this guy isn't a dead-on Spock. The whole cast looks good. What happens when they open their mouths and utter their lines is another question.

Wow...
he was born the same year as me.

Shit... does that mean I am old as spock? ? Damn.

191 gop_patriot  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:45:14pm

re: #184 pat

Uhuru had great tits, unless no one else noticed.

Uhura had a spectacularly supportive and a not-just-a-little-bit pointy 1960s bra. That helped a LOT. ;)

(click on the pic of Uhura for larger photo)

192 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:47:09pm

re: #187 astronmr20

Not rambling... elucidating core concepts, Astro... IF they re-invent the whole concept, the motives, the rationales, the weaknesses and foibles...

And yes, 007 is having a LONG, long run (as a film franchise) precisely BECAUSE the Next Bond does NOT have to out-Sean the original 007 Sean Connery... I liked the recent 007 Casino Royale... well done, good violence and ersatz sex....

193 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:47:58pm

re: #44 StudSupreme

re: #127 abolitionist

One more linky, but a few more can be found here:
Obama: From ACORN Organizer To Audacious Hypocrite

Posted by Michael Eden on August 11, 2008
A lot of very ugly things about Barack Obama emerge from his entrance into politics in 1996.

It is a documented fact that Barack Obama’s days as a “community organizer” is media code to describe his service with ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now). ACORN currently is - and has for years routinely been - connected with and convicted of voter fraud. They have caught in state after state, city after city (just Google “ACORN” and “voter fraud” to get a sense of the scope) registering nonexistent voters as Democrats.

And Barack Obama was part of this profoundly un- and anti-democratic organization.

194 Suihei Deloi  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:48:01pm

re: #189 Salem

I'd have to agree on Spock. I really hope the movie turns out well. Is Nurse Chapel making a comeback too?

195 gop_patriot  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:49:10pm

re: #190 astronmr20

Wow...
he was born the same year as me.

Shit... does that mean I am old as spock? ? Damn.

You're 31? Fossil. ;)

/I'm 10 years older than you lol

196 pat  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:51:27pm

Humor. Bigger Jugs.
[Link: www.jibjab.com...]

197 Karridine  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:51:38pm

re: #195 gop_patriot

You're 31?

/I have twice your number of Solar Encircling Trips to my credit, Youngster!

198 FamHistoryGuy  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:51:58pm

re: #68 MrPaulRevere

I am not now nor have I ever been an employee of the CIA.

But I do have about 120 hours of passenger time in Air America aircraft. C-7, C-46, C-47, C-123 & Pilitas Porter.

199 Salem  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:52:04pm

re: #194 Suihei Deloi

I'd have to agree on Spock. I really hope the movie turns out well. Is Nurse Chapel making a comeback too?

DAMN IT, JIM!

Hmmm, good question. She isn't in the present cast list.

200 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:52:19pm

re: #195 gop_patriot

You're 31? Fossil. ;)

/I'm 10 years older than you lol

Argh!

Not 31 yet!

30. (:

(I will be 31 on Sept. 11th)

201 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:53:09pm

re: #158 realwest

OK - THIS TIME! LOL! Shoot my friend, it's been too long since we've been on the boards together.

My goodness realwest, what are you doing up?

202 galloping granny  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:54:24pm

re: #195 gop_patriot

You're 31? Fossil. ;)

/I'm 10 years older than you lol

Which makes you just a tiny bit older than my eldest child.

203 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:58:41pm

re: #200 astronmr20

Argh!

Not 31 yet!

30. (:

(I will be 31 on Sept. 11th)

I'll wish you a happy birthday in advance, then.

204 astronmr20  Tue, Aug 12, 2008 11:59:59pm

re: #203 abolitionist

I'll wish you a happy birthday in advance, then.

Thanks! I will try. I hasn't been such a happy day since 2001, however.

205 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:44am

Wow....I uh....wouldn't want to interrupt the Trekkie fanboys here tonight.

206 Salem  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:03:12am

re: #205 Fenway_Nation

Wow....I uh....wouldn't want to interrupt the Trekkie fanboys here tonight.

I think "Trekkie fanboys" would be kind of redundant.

207 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:06:07am

re: #200 astronmr20

Sorry! Didn't mean to age you prematurely. :)

I just like calling someone a fossil. Makes me laugh for some reason... possibly because it's 2am here, and I'm delirious. lol

208 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:07:11am

Night folks. Time for me to rest up before facing the government bureaucracy tomorrow.

209 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:08:19am

BTW, anyone catch that 17-19 defensive gem of a pitchers duel at Fenway park tonight?

210 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:09:25am

re: #202 galloping granny

LOL! Hi, gg. How are things with you? I've been offline for a bit (computer tried to die), so I am out of the LGF loop. :p

211 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:10:52am

re: #197 Karridine

/I have twice your number of Solar Encircling Trips to my credit, Youngster!

LOL! Hi, Karridine, how are you?

212 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:13:01am

re: #1 Maximu§

6 days left till D-day. My son leaves for the bootcamp...

when is the party?

we have to christen his Stetson for him...... %-)

213 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:13:57am

re: #210 gop_patriot

LOL! Hi, gg. How are things with you? I've been offline for a bit (computer tried to die), so I am out of the LGF loop. :p

I've been away for a while too. Probably will be again before too long - big changes coming our way. We're hanging in there. Still waiting for the tomatoes to get ripe.

214 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:14:42am

re: #211 gop_patriot

Well, GOP, I'm great bordering on tremendous this afternoon in overcast, cool, suburban Bangkok!

Other than delirious, how you?

215 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:16:56am

re: #32 Maximu§

artillary? As tough as my MOS was, I always felt sorry for the Mortar Crews....they really humped.

that would be 11C............

11B/H here.

/try humping a TOW system with 4 people. %-)

216 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:19:47am

re: #215 redc1c4

Well, as a 98C (Korean linguist) I didn't hump mortars, but I DID spend years atop mountains on the Korean DMZ, and we DID have a couple American missiles targeted on us in case the NorKs came south... does that count?

217 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:19:48am

re: #100 irish rose

My damned mind is turning somersaults and it's simply not possible to shut it off.

1. I just found out that my abusive ex is shacking up with a 60 year old woman that he knew in the biblical sense for the last ten years of our marriage.

2. My beautiful 18 year old daughter has taken leave of her senses and has decided that she is in love with a 43 year old man.

3. I caught my 16 year old son smoking pot, again

4. I took a hard fall and sprained my ankle at work, and I'm currently on comp restrictions and painkillers with massive bruising, a softball sized ankle, and a damaged ligament.

5. I'm still having asthma attacks, and I feel like shit.

Sucks to be me, currently.
At least the cancer isn't making a nasty comeback.

you left out "but you know me: i can't complain...."
bummer drag about all of the above. i can definitely relate to the ankle issue and best wishes on the rest.

/you'll need it!

218 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:20:21am

re: #215 redc1c4

that would be 11C............

11B/H here.

/try humping a TOW system with 4 people. %-)

Good heavens I haven't heard about the TOW in a long time - my ex was the first platoon leader of the first TOW platoon outside the US

219 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:21:01am

re: #216 Karridine

Well, as a 98C (Korean linguist) I didn't hump mortars, but I DID spend years atop mountains on the Korean DMZ, and we DID have a couple American missiles targeted on us in case the NorKs came south... does that count?

it certainly is encompassed by the phrase "embrace the suck". %-)

/the suck is a many splendored thing

220 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:22:04am

re: #218 galloping granny

And THAN KYOU for your service, GG!

221 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:22:14am

re: #213 galloping granny

I've been away for a while too. Probably will be again before too long - big changes coming our way. We're hanging in there. Still waiting for the tomatoes to get ripe.

Hope the changes are good ones. (((galloping)))

Hollah at me when the tomatoes are ready, I'll be right over! :)

222 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:22:55am

re: #218 galloping granny

Good heavens I haven't heard about the TOW in a long time - my ex was the first platoon leader of the first TOW platoon outside the US

i think this is where we started out a night or two ago..... %-)

the system certainly wasn't designed to be man portable over long distances.... even without the weight of ammo issue (~55#/round)

/say more than 100 meters or so.

223 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:23:07am

re: #219 redc1c4

Uh... roger that!

/out, break. End of Message
EFTO : Encrypted for Transmission Only

224 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:24:01am

re: #214 Karridine

Doing well, glad my computer is working for now. :) I was going through LGF withdrawals... Glad to be feeding the addiction again!

225 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:24:13am

Just a little name dropping here in regards to the new Star Trek movie.

Scotty is being played by Simon Pegg (Shawn of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Spaced etc.). Well, his father, Richard Pegg, works for the theatre that I work at.

Richard just got finished directing our current show, Noel Coward's "Hay Fever." Richard is also one of our board of directors.

[Link: www.minersalley.com...]

During a production meeting for "Hay Fever" a few months ago, Richards cell phone rang, and her took the call. Well, you could tell that he was speaking to Simon.

And then we heard Richard say "Oh, get off the phone, this is one of Simon friends playing another joke for him."

It turned out that Simon was walking across the Dreamworks studio, and told his father that Steven Speilberg wanted to say hi and put someone on the phone.

Richard blew this person off, suspecting that his son was playing a little joke on him. And then we could tell that Simopn was back on the phone. After Richard hung up, we asked him what happened.

Right, it really was Speilberg.

Walter in Golden, Co.

226 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:24:55am

re: #213 galloping granny

I've been away for a while too. Probably will be again before too long - big changes coming our way. We're hanging in there. Still waiting for the tomatoes to get ripe.

our tomatoes have suxored again this year: i'm convinced that it's because it's only been really hot one week.

all that being said, i'll trade store bought 'maters for a non miserable summer any year.

/gore bull warming my ass

227 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:26:12am

re: #225 Walter L. Newton

Trapped if you do, damned if you don't!

Thanks, Walter L

228 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:27:44am

re: #221 gop_patriot

Hope the changes are good ones. (((galloping)))

Hollah at me when the tomatoes are ready, I'll be right over! :)

I guess that all depends on how you look at things. Nobody is dying or ill.

Those tomatoes look to be all going to come in at once - bushels of them.

229 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:31:03am

re: #171 CyanSnowHawk

Your son has earned my respect for volunteering. May his training be good, his duty be honorable, and his parents be at ease. I was 67N (Utility Helicopter Repairer - Huey Crewchief) in a Cav unit. D Troop 1st Squadron 4th Cavalry. My avatar is the unit crest.

if'n you ain't Cav......

HHT & A Trp. 1/18th
"Velox et Mortifer!"

230 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:31:09am

re: #226 redc1c4

our tomatoes have suxored again this year: i'm convinced that it's because it's only been really hot one week.

all that being said, i'll trade store bought 'maters for a non miserable summer any year.

/gore bull warming my ass

I have to agree with you. Even my very early varieties that are supposed to be 45 days from ground to table are still just standing there spinning their wheels. We should have been eating them a month ago.

We had one very hot week back in mid May - up in the high 90s and low 100s. All the early garden stuff bolted straight off. We sent the kiddo off to camp the last week in June and first in July. At the time we were wishing that camp had been later in the summer because of the weather but it has turned out to be a good thing it wasn't, as it has rained nearly every day since. And been cold. Nobody has even been in the pool in a month.

231 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:33:02am

re: #222 redc1c4

i think this is where we started out a night or two ago..... %-)

the system certainly wasn't designed to be man portable over long distances.... even without the weight of ammo issue (~55#/round)

/say more than 100 meters or so.

I used to have some great pictures of the thing being night fired.

232 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:35:05am

Any of you read the flap over at Michelle's about Obama exploiting the Blue Star flag and military wives? That is going to cause some fall out I think.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

233 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:39:08am

re: #230 galloping granny

I have to agree with you. Even my very early varieties that are supposed to be 45 days from ground to table are still just standing there spinning their wheels. We should have been eating them a month ago.

We had one very hot week back in mid May - up in the high 90s and low 100s. All the early garden stuff bolted straight off. We sent the kiddo off to camp the last week in June and first in July. At the time we were wishing that camp had been later in the summer because of the weather but it has turned out to be a good thing it wasn't, as it has rained nearly every day since. And been cold. Nobody has even been in the pool in a month.


my pool is hovering around 100*F, but that's because of the solar cover. not real refreshing when you're hot & sweaty from honey do's but i've only had to put water in it twice all summer, so no $900 utility bills from the city either.

makes a nice, albeit nonbubbly hot tub late at night though..... %-)

234 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:41:45am

re: #233 redc1c4

my pool is hovering around 100*F, but that's because of the solar cover. not real refreshing when you're hot & sweaty from honey do's but i've only had to put water in it twice all summer, so no $900 utility bills from the city either.

makes a nice, albeit nonbubbly hot tub late at night though..... %-)

Ours is hovering around 45 or so. Too refreshing. No big water bills for it because of all the rain, but I have had to repair it twice because of storm damage. Luckily it is an above ground.

235 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:48:10am

re: #234 galloping granny

My tomatoes are doing their very best to die right before my very eyes! My peppers too!

I'm sure the rain is a factor, but I also suspect a fungus +/or a virus; the foliage has withered and /or turned yellow.

Krap! *@!^#?!

236 gop_patriot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:51:02am

Well I'm heading to bed now. It's great to be back online. :) Hope everyone has a great day, talk to y'all later.

237 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:52:55am

re: #235 Temujin

Sounds like the same stuff we had here... brown tomato vines, but the peppers are okay...

/never did find out whazzit

238 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:53:54am

re: #237 Karridine

Kreeping Krud.

239 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:55:23am

re: #238 Temujin

Yup. That's the scientific name, Tem, Kruddus creepilae

240 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:56:20am

Uh...we are carbon-based lifeforms created through a nigh-miraculous mixing and melding of various hydrocarbons and other chemicals through which our genetically and chemically simpler ancestors were spawned?

/SCIENCE.

//good afternoon...

241 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:58:14am

re: #239 Karridine

Sigh. Another year of styrofoam supermarket tomaters.

I can't stand it ....

242 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:05:23am

re: #240 laZardo


laZardo: evolution's a magnificent thing, but right now, I don't care if my fellow life-forms evolve; I won't be around long enough for it to do me any good!

I'd settle for some robust adaptation, if it's all the same to ... whatever ...

243 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:06:53am

re: #242 Temujin

The greatest misconception about "survival of the fittest" is that it's the most adaptable that survive, not the physically strongest. q:

244 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:09:29am

re: #232 galloping granny

Any of you read the flap over at Michelle's about Obama exploiting the Blue Star flag and military wives? That is going to cause some fall out I think.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

that's gonna leave a mark, at least in the MIL demographic.

had some scrawny fu*k come to my door a few years back over the Blue Star in my window. he was out jogging from one of the local hotels. i was home with an infection instead of visiting a friend for the weekend like we'd planned. doorbell went off, i said "wtf, are we expecting anyone?" 2H6 said "no" so i opened up.

we fly the Flag, & the POW/MIA daily, and the star is in the front window 24/7.

he wanted to know what it was, so i tild him it was from WW2, and to me, represented all my friends and extendd family on active duty.

he mentioned that his nephew as a Marine, and i told him to thank him for me. then he went down moonbat road to bushville. after about 30 seconds, since i was running a fever and was less cordial than usual, i interrupted by asking him if he could see the asphalt over his shoulder. (the street).

he seemed confused, but eventually said yes. i simply told him "hit it."
he said "what" (still confused) and i said "hit it" again.

he just looked at me, so i told him in MILSPEC language that if he didn't get off my AO or that if he ever came back to it, that life would be Hobsian in nature for him.

/he never did %-)

245 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:10:19am

re: #234 galloping granny

Ours is hovering around 45 or so. Too refreshing. No big water bills for it because of all the rain, but I have had to repair it twice because of storm damage. Luckily it is an above ground.

pool above ground? i've never understood that.....

/SoCal %-)

246 jeremy1013  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:10:44am

The Enlightenment Project is dying. Shouting its values louder won't stop it.

247 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:10:52am

re: #243 laZardo

Depending on the context, "most adaptable" could easily be replaced in that statement by "sneakiest" ...

/see cowbirds, and others ...

248 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:14:52am

re: #247 Temujin

Like I said, it's not just strength. >_>

249 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:15:06am

re: #247 Temujin

Depending on the context, "most adaptable" could easily be replaced in that statement by "sneakiest" ...

/see cowbirds, and others ...

sneaky *is* adaptable......

they change the rules, you figure a way around.

i was so good at scrounging with one unit that they put me in supply so things would quit disappearing. they did, at least from *my* company.

/survival %-)

250 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:19:47am

re: #248 laZardo

Are you familiar with the Emperor Butterfly?

251 Fenway_Nation  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:23:33am

re: #250 Temujin

I'm more familiar with The Monarch.

252 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:24:30am

re: #250 Temujin

Not really...but I'll look it up. >_>

253 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:28:55am

Begging the lizardoids' indulgence, a personal note for talk radio:

Hi, Charley Jones! The Lubbock caller and I are one and the same.

254 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:33:51am

re: #253 shiplord kirel

Begging the lizardoids' indulgence, a personal note for talk radio:

Hi, Charley Jones! The Lubbock caller and I are one and the same.

people actually listen to talk radio?

/shut up & play some music! %-)

255 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:37:11am

re: #254 redc1c4

MUSIC!

256 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:38:35am

ok.............. well, tonight's fruitcup should set new records.

for what, i'm not sure yet, but i guess we'll wait & see how this recipe is received, eh?

/mad scientist laugh

257 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:39:02am

re: #191 gop_patriot

If you fill out the dumb test with real info you are dumb.

258 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:39:59am

re: #252 laZardo

laZardo ... I was confused, I'm mentally dredging up stuff I studied decades ago, & have not used or thought about since.

Fenway - what I was trying to recall does indeed relate to the Monarch butterfly, & to its imitator, the Viceroy ( not Emperor ) butterfly. Anyway - IIRC, the Monarch evolved in a way that causes it to taste like sh*t to predators. The Viceroy, instead of following that strategy, came up with a simpler solution - it looks like a smaller version of the Monarch, & predators avoid it, just as they avoid the Monarch, even though the Viceroy is lacking in the chemicals that cause its larger cousin to taste bad.

There are many similar examples of evolutionary "deception" out there that fit the same sort of pattern. The butterflies just happen to be the illustrative case that I once studied in school ...

259 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:41:16am

re: #256 redc1c4

Not all side effects are undesirable. (-%

re: #258 Temujin

I was loading the page and I had the suspicion it was the butterfly that had a wing pattern like an owl to discourage predators. >_>

260 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:41:20am

re: #254 redc1c4

people actually listen to talk radio?

/shut up & play some music! %-)

Charley Jones and Texas Overnight are not your usual call-in show.
Take a listen

(I've always suspected that Charley gets such an intelligent and rational audience because Coast to Coast AM draws away all the kooks.)

261 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:42:51am

boker tov everyone!

262 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:44:50am

re: #259 laZardo

That is another instance of the principle I was trying to point to - a form of deception at the genetic level.

Like I said earlier - sneaky!

263 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:44:52am

re: #255 laZardo

MUSIC!

oh puhleeeeze.... spare me!

New Music

Old Music

but not that guavno......

(imho, of course. %-)

264 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:45:00am

Did I just kill the room?

265 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:48:15am

re: #264 Ms. Missive

I don't think so ... there are a couple of cross-conversations that are going along simultaneously, that's all.

266 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:48:17am

re: #258 Temujin

laZardo ... I was confused, I'm mentally dredging up stuff I studied decades ago, & have not used or thought about since.

Fenway - what I was trying to recall does indeed relate to the Monarch butterfly, & to its imitator, the Viceroy ( not Emperor ) butterfly. Anyway - IIRC, the Monarch evolved in a way that causes it to taste like sh*t to predators. The Viceroy, instead of following that strategy, came up with a simpler solution - it looks like a smaller version of the Monarch, & predators avoid it, just as they avoid the Monarch, even though the Viceroy is lacking in the chemicals that cause its larger cousin to taste bad.

There are many similar examples of evolutionary "deception" out there that fit the same sort of pattern. The butterflies just happen to be the illustrative case that I once studied in school ...

my understanding is that the Monarch loves to eat milkweed nectar, which causes it to be poisonous....... and promotes milkweed expansion. not all Monarchs have access to the specific plants, but birds don't know that.

267 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:48:33am

re: #219 redc1c4

About as much fun as being a mil brat and knowing your current address was within the targeting range of a soviet icbm.

268 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:49:05am

re: #264 Ms. Missive

Did I just kill the room?

no, but you owe us all a round......

/i'll take a bottle of Lagavulin %-)

269 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:49:16am

Crap, gave an accidental upding...

270 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:51:10am

re: #266 redc1c4

Red, that sounds reasonable. Like I said, I studied this decades ago, and the details have bled away over time.

271 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:51:39am

re: #269 laZardo

Crap, gave an accidental upding...

undoubtedly not to me......

272 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:52:19am

re: #265 Temujin

I don't think so ... there are a couple of cross-conversations that are going along simultaneously, that's all.

re: #268 redc1c4

no, but you owe us all a round......

/i'll take a bottle of Lagavulin %-)

Let me just say that every time I think of "malt whiskey", I think about malted milk balls and it makes me want a shot of whiskey. Of course, once I take the shot, I instantly regret it.

ick.

How about a nice cold Miller?

273 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:52:57am

re: #271 redc1c4

Sorry. D:

274 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:56:25am

re: #270 Temujin

Red, that sounds reasonable. Like I said, I studied this decades ago, and the details have bled away over time.

couldn't get this page to load because my ISP sucks bowling balls through IV tubing tied up in knots & heat sealed at both ends, but it should cover the issue, at least for monarchs.

275 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:58:11am

re: #272 Ms. Missive

Let me just say that every time I think of "malt whiskey", I think about malted milk balls and it makes me want a shot of whiskey. Of course, once I take the shot, I instantly regret it.

ick.

How about a nice cold Miller?

then either you shouldn't be drinking, or you've never had good whisky.

if'n Miller is all you've got, i'll take a beer (that's 6 of the little ones %-)

276 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:59:23am

since Blue is off harassing the minions, and LoL is @ her pole dance lessons, yer damn fruitcup is over there........>

get it yer self. %-)

277 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:59:31am

re: #275 redc1c4

then either you shouldn't be drinking, or you've never had good whisky.

if'n Miller is all you've got, i'll take a beer (that's 6 of the little ones %-)

6 little ones... ha!

278 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:00:08am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ----------->
Help yourselves!

279 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:01:01am

re: #276 redc1c4

You were early.

/tsk, tsk

280 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:02:19am

re: #279 littleoldlady

You were early.

/tsk, tsk

a common failing of men, from what i've been told by worldly women.... %-)

281 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:03:36am

re: #278 littleoldlady

Wait...it's on the buffet already? Then...what am I eating?

282 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:03:46am
283 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:04:15am

re: #272 Ms. Missive

There are literally dozens of liqueurs out there, including some that are chocolate-based.

Worth the time it would take to explore.

284 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:05:27am

re: #280 redc1c4

Oh dear. Did I step into "one of those threads" again?
;-)

Speaking of pole dancing, MNTwas watching TV when I happened to walk by and what I saw stopped me cold.

Me: "What the...?"

She: "Pole dancing. Let latest exercise craze."

/sometimes I think I've lived too long...

285 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:05:44am

re: #278 littleoldlady

Thak you, LoL !

286 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:05:58am

I switched on to BBC World, first thing they show is this helicopter ready to airlift this Palestinian "national poet" to wherever he's buried.

Thing is, sometimes their subtitle timing isn't very "in-sync" sometimes, so the subtitle was:

Robots of the Future.

287 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:06:16am

re: #286 laZardo

PIMF redundant "sometimes."

288 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:07:25am

re: #285 Temujin

Oops - I meant, thank you ...

289 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:08:11am

plooooomie! :-)

Temujin! :-)

laZardo! :-)

Ms Missive! :-)

BlueCanuck! :-)

...and Miguelito, wherever you are! :-(

290 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:08:53am

re: #288 Temujin

I'm fluent in Typo. ;-)

291 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:08:53am

re: #286 laZardo

I switched on to BBC World, first thing they show is this helicopter ready to airlift this Palestinian "national poet" to wherever he's buried.

Thing is, sometimes their subtitle timing isn't very "in-sync" sometimes, so the subtitle was:

Robots of the Future.

LMFAO! A screen shot of that would be gold.

292 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:10:23am

re: #291 Ms. Missive

That was a few seconds before I posted it though. ): Still, I think a shot of the funeral would make for a funnier caption, rather than the helicopter on the landing pad. (;

293 Temujin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:11:18am

re: #290 littleoldlady

I'll bet!

Hate to eat & run, but I'm gonna crash if I stay, so ... bbiab. Ciao!

294 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:12:45am

re: #293 Temujin

Cheers. (:

295 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:14:08am

re: #283 Temujin

There are literally dozens of liqueurs out there, including some that are chocolate-based.

Worth the time it would take to explore.

and then there's Zinfandel Port, with chocolate.

even 2H6, who doesn't like chocolate, likes that combo.

296 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:14:38am

so it is back on again in Georgia/Gori?

297 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:15:06am

'Bye, Temujin. :-)

298 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:18:32am

re: #296 akak

akak! :-)

Uh oh?

/is what back on again?

299 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:19:29am
300 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:20:18am

re: #299 ploome hineni

I haven't heard from him in almost 2 weeks. :-( :-( :-(

301 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:20:23am

re: #278 littleoldlady

Fruit cup. Just the thing needed . Trying to read and keep with the posts.A bit of carpal tunnel makes for interesting typing. Also trying to scan some 40 year old slides. Was I ever really that young?

302 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:20:52am
303 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:21:26am
304 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:22:06am

re: #298 littleoldlady

akak! :-)

Uh oh?

/is what back on again?


al-CNN, rampaging by soldiers in Gori -

305 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:23:27am

re: #300 littleoldlady

I haven't heard from him in almost 2 weeks. :-( :-( :-(

i'll go by the Home Depot parking lot tomorrow & see if i can find him. %-)

/

306 AuldTrafford  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:24:09am

I would post a spin-off link, but I think Charles has prohibited links to AP releases. I would post it to show just how rotten, and anti-American they are. A release posted about two-and-a-quarter hours ago on the American gymnasts' loss of gold in Beijing, due in large part to some mental errors by one of the young girls.

AP just revels in it - for paragraphs ... Absolutely disgusting. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to let these dogs back into this country - ever. They love the PRC; let 'em stay there.

Sick.

307 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:24:52am
Georgia: 50 Russian tanks enter Gori
Published: 08.13.08, 10:27 / Israel News

The head of Georgia's national security council says about 50 Russian tanks have entered the strategic city of Gori despite a cease-fire agreement.
Alexander Lomaia said Wednesday that the tanks entered the city about 9:45 am (5:45 GMT), about eight hours after Georgia accepted a cease-fire previously agreed by Russia to end the conflict that broke out last week. Independent confirmation of Lomaia's claim was not immediately possible.

308 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:26:06am

re: #306 AuldTrafford

I would post a spin-off link, but I think Charles has prohibited links to AP releases. I would post it to show just how rotten, and anti-American they are. A release posted about two-and-a-quarter hours ago on the American gymnasts' loss of gold in Beijing, due in large part to some mental errors by one of the young girls.

AP just revels in it - for paragraphs ... Absolutely disgusting. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to let these dogs back into this country - ever. They love the PRC; let 'em stay there.

Sick.

did they mention the obviously underage Chinese 'athletes' in the same article?

if they were 16, so am i.....

/we should have boycotted the whole mess.

309 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:26:07am

FamHistoryGuy! :-)

Old? Let's not go there....m'kay?

310 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:26:09am

re: #278 littleoldlady

ANY LEFT FOR ME?

311 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:27:24am

re: #303 ploome hineni

Couldn't be photo shop. The dark hair and clothing with the Colt's Navy and Walker revolvers. That was before photo shop. Personal computers even.

312 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:28:07am

re: #307 akak

you'd think the Gerogians would have ample supplies of RPG's available.

tanks in urban environment = targets

313 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:28:08am

re: #305 redc1c4

*smack!*

re: #308 redc1c4

I'm loving watching Michael Phelps make history, while wishing it wasn't in China.

314 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:29:33am

yochanan! :-)

Yours is over there →

/red's is over there ←
//I wouldn't...

315 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:30:23am

re: #309 littleoldlady

I think I have always been 17 going on 40. I even thought that our high school graduation pictures made us look mature.

316 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:31:17am

re: #311 FamHistoryGuy

Couldn't be photo shop. The dark hair and clothing with the Colt's Navy and Walker revolvers. That was before photo shop. Personal computers even.

it's the daguerreotype process that gave you away......

/ how'd you get those transferred to slides 40 year ago?

317 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:31:37am

re: #314 littleoldlady

I ♥ fruitcup

318 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:32:27am

re: #313 littleoldlady

*smack!*

thank you. may i have another?

319 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:32:53am

re: #315 FamHistoryGuy

I remember 40.

/...vaguely :-(

That's when I stopped looking 20 and went directly to 60.

320 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:33:47am

re: #316 redc1c4

35mm camera, bellows unit, macro lens and the breathing of chemical fumes.

321 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:34:10am

daguerreotype process? my images are PRE-PHOTO all of them are engraved on wood blocks. what is this thing called daguerreotype? magic pictures? next you will tell me they will have moving magic pictures?

scarcism

322 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:35:14am

i was waiting for BC, but since he's evidently been eaten by wolves, i'd invite the regulars to peep at my blog for the latest chapter in "as the bottle drains"

/no pimping intended, just don't wanna drag RL out on the football field, as it were.

323 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:36:44am

re: #276 redc1c4

since Blue is off harassing the minions, and LoL is @ her pole dance lessons, yer damn fruitcup is over there........>

get it yer self. %-)

Sheesh! Maybe you should replace LoL as unofficial sponsor of our Urinated Cranky Flakes.

324 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:37:04am

re: #321 yochanan

I actually have a copy of a book by Daguerre describing his process. Fussy little man, no sense of humor. Must have been the acid fumes.

325 AuldTrafford  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:37:38am

re: #308 redc1c4

The version of the release I saw is posted at AOL.

Answer to your question is: no; the Chinese are perfect. And no disrespect to their young women - who are great athletes (and I hope chose the sport voluntarily).

With apologies to Charles, here's one of the first paragraphs:

With a fall off the beam here, a splat on the floor there and two more steps out of bounds Wednesday, the Americans all but personally handed the gold medals to the Chinese team and settled for silver.

Totally disrespectful. Nyah-nyah written all over it.

326 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:37:50am

re: #319 littleoldlady

I remember 40.

/...vaguely :-(

That's when I stopped looking 20 and went directly to 60.

and yet were still remarkably hot, even in the cougar skin as opposed to the saber tooth tiger outfit.......

hence the term that followed. %-)

327 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:39:29am

re: #322 redc1c4

Mazel tov! :-)

/it's about time!
//not getting any younger, you know!

328 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:41:15am

re: #323 shiplord kirel

shiplord! :-)

YAY! My bookmark got chewed up and lost somewhere. THANK YOU!

329 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:42:43am

re: #322 redc1c4

Livejournal? (:

/check your friends list...

330 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:43:41am

Anyone ever hear of Snowdrift? Deep South analog for Crisco? Part of my pistol loading supplies.

331 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:44:31am

re: #325 AuldTrafford

The version of the release I saw is posted at AOL.

Answer to your question is: no; the Chinese are perfect. And no disrespect to their young women - who are great athletes (and I hope chose the sport voluntarily).

With apologies to Charles, here's one of the first paragraphs:

Totally disrespectful. Nyah-nyah written all over it.

no, they didn't choose it: even the pawns @ Nothing But Crap admitted they were selected @ 3 or so, and "put into a machine" (their words).
they mentioned one girl who wanted out, and the family told her to suck it up. smart guess is that they would have lost whatever privileges they had, and been stuck with another mouth.

(bad words here) the ChiComs. i look forward to the day when their ignorant demographic policies, coupled with their foolish environmental policies, aid and abet their truly dumb industrial and financial policies in crushing their st00pid and doomed to destruction political beliefs.

i saw the fall of the Iron Curtain. i should w*rk out, etc, so that i can watch the dragon die too, and dance on it's grave.

332 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:44:33am

re: #322 redc1c4

"...we should have boycotted the whole mess..."

Maybe... but our swimmers are of age, AND they're racking up Gold medals WHILE posting world-record times! Boycotting would not let them accomplish this.

/think of Jesse Owens at the Berlin Olympics of 1936... Jesse shoved Hitler's "Ubermensche" racial 'superiority' down his throat... Der Fuhrer had to get up and stomp out of the stadium!

333 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:44:55am

re: #326 redc1c4

If you like old, I'm your gal.

;-)

334 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:45:43am

re: #332 Karridine

That and Owens became good friends with Hitler's prize hopeful Lutz Long. How's that for insult to injury? q:

335 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:45:47am

re: #327 littleoldlady

Mazel tov! :-)

/it's about time!
//not getting any younger, you know!

but i can be more immature..... %-)

/gracias, regardless.

336 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:46:07am

re: #333 littleoldlady

If you like old, I'm your gal.

;-)

I'll be Harold, YOU be Maude, m'kay? :D

337 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:46:54am

re: #334 laZardo

Didn't know that! Thanks for the addendum, LaZardo!

338 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:47:35am

re: #333 littleoldlady

If you like old, I'm your gal.

;-)

i like smart. polished is just gilt on gold, as far as i'm concerned....

/and you shine mighty fine. %-)

339 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:49:26am

re: #331 redc1c4

Some dragons are like the Phoenix. They never truly die.

Perhaps the new incarnation will be more Western in its thoughts. At least, that can be hoped for.

340 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:50:19am

re: #329 laZardo

Livejournal? (:

/check your friends list...

i have friends?

i had a boss once a few years back who said otherwise.......
(long, kinda funny story, at least now)

up shot is: 2H6 w*rks with him now, as does one of my former NCO's. he doesn't know about my relationship with either. ........

/looking forward to the company Christmas party this year. %-)

341 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:50:21am

Aaaargh! Gotta relinquish CPU time to the off-spring...

Back in 40 or so...

342 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:51:16am

re: #336 Karridine

You've already made the mistake of telling me how old you are...Pops!

;-)

343 AuldTrafford  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:54:42am

re: #331 redc1c4

I share many of your sentiments, but would just say that many American gymnasts - especially the ones that make Olympians - also start at around age 3 (my daughter did; she's 12 and loves the sport still - not an Olympian, but she's good). And any kid will want to quit somewhere along the way - and parents should get them through those spots.

That said, it's yet another thing when the child is removed from the household and made a creature of the state. That's a whole 'nother thing. USSR did that, too.

344 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:55:29am

re: #339 FamHistoryGuy

Some dragons are like the Phoenix. They never truly die.

Perhaps the new incarnation will be more Western in its thoughts. At least, that can be hoped for.

that would go against K years of culture, but damn near anything would be an improvement. my take on it has been: how do all these people assemble all this crap for us, that they don't see locally, and not ask where's my "tv" "blue jeans" "patio table" "etc"? to make it worse are all the graphics: table & chairs by pool by the thousands, when you live in an apartment? "the US is evil and it's w*rkers oppressed"...... then why do they need all this patio furniture?...... times 100's or 1000's of items.

they may not be worldly, but they ain't stupid, and they'r never getting that genie back in the bottle.

345 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:58:46am

re: #343 AuldTrafford

11th grade. A lot of them quit their sports in 11th grade, as my daughter gave up swimming.

Be prepared. It was heartbreaking.

346 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:58:49am

re: #343 AuldTrafford

I share many of your sentiments, but would just say that many American gymnasts - especially the ones that make Olympians - also start at around age 3 (my daughter did; she's 12 and loves the sport still - not an Olympian, but she's good). And any kid will want to quit somewhere along the way - and parents should get them through those spots.

That said, it's yet another thing when the child is removed from the household and made a creature of the state. That's a whole 'nother thing. USSR did that, too.

"wanna" & "gotta" are two different things...... which was pretty much my point.

347 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:59:14am

red,

BTW, what will you be studying?

348 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:59:53am

re: #345 littleoldlady

11th grade. A lot of them quit their sports in 11th grade, as my daughter gave up swimming.

Be prepared. It was heartbreaking.

did she take up "boys" instead?

just guessing

349 shiplord kirel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:02:19am

Since I've been dredging up my old photoshoppes and other LGF graphic gags, here are some of my personal favorites:

The Hildabeast
Saint Rachel de Jemima
2004 Fiskie Award
LGF Organizational Chart
Moonbattish rattlesnake warning sign, original and my version.
Burqa commando training, original and my version.
Lizardoid warning sign
Inclusive madrassah
"Come over to the dark side"

350 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:05:29am

re: #347 littleoldlady

red,

BTW, what will you be studying?

a buncha crap, mostly......

"a wide spectrum of management and liberal arts courses will help you become a leader in your profession and advance in your career. "

/as i said. %-)

351 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:09:21am

re: #344 redc1c4

They will take from the West what they need in the way of culture. And fit it into the thousands of years of culture they have accumulated.

They will find ways to deal with the remnants of the Cultural Revolution and the entrenched petty local beurocrats. Modern communications and returning overseas Chinese will change them faster than you might expect.

352 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:10:14am

re: #348 redc1c4

She took up boys in kindergarten.

/get with the program!

No, it seems that in 11th grade a lot of the kids start to refocus. College looms ahead. They realize they aren't Olympic material. And after 8 - 10 years of working hard they're a bit burned out.

I miss swimming. It's a great sport to compete in - not as cut throat as soccer or softball. Nice bunch of kids, supportive, on the whole. And after that many years of going to practices and meets you (as a parent) are part of the "community". I miss that, too.

353 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:11:35am

re: #350 redc1c4

'Nuff said.

/I know the drill.

354 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:14:12am

re: #351 FamHistoryGuy

They will take from the West what they need in the way of culture. And fit it into the thousands of years of culture they have accumulated.

They will find ways to deal with the remnants of the Cultural Revolution and the entrenched petty local beurocrats. Modern communications and returning overseas Chinese will change them faster than you might expect.

i figure they will..... it's the power elite that thinks they can protect the status quo forever.....

/nevah happen GI.

355 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:16:38am

re: #349 shiplord kirel

Oh man! Talk about you "blasts from the past"! :-)

356 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:17:30am

re: #353 littleoldlady

'Nuff said.

/I know the drill.

quoted it right from their page. somehow i think what they call "lberal arts" and what i got during my previous "great books" education are 2 different things, but i no longer care.

i just need the degree to get my years in pharmacy paid attention to by the HR departments of large companies (hopefully). that way i can have a decent paying j*b right up to my death.

(the new American retirement plan. %-)

357 AuldTrafford  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:18:28am

re: #345 littleoldlady

11th grade. A lot of them quit their sports in 11th grade, as my daughter gave up swimming.

Be prepared. It was heartbreaking.

I'd almost be relieved, in a way. But I think she's interested in coaching at some point, so don't know whether she will quit. She's really into it now, and that's good.

Que sera ...

358 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:18:47am

re: #352 littleoldlady

She took up boys in kindergarten.

/get with the program!

No, it seems that in 11th grade a lot of the kids start to refocus. College looms ahead. They realize they aren't Olympic material. And after 8 - 10 years of working hard they're a bit burned out.

I miss swimming. It's a great sport to compete in - not as cut throat as soccer or softball. Nice bunch of kids, supportive, on the whole. And after that many years of going to practices and meets you (as a parent) are part of the "community". I miss that, too.

does a helluva lot less damage to your joints too.....

hard on the hair, eyes and ears...... potentially, anyway.

359 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:20:13am

re: #354 redc1c4

The problem with being a power elite there is that all the smiling faces around you always have a ready knife up the sleeve.

360 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:25:44am

re: #345 littleoldlady

I...uh...unceremoniously left my old alma mater in the 11th grade. Still think jocks get more perks these days though...

361 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:25:45am

re: #359 FamHistoryGuy

The problem with being a power elite there is that all the smiling faces around you always have a ready knife up the sleeve.

it's the down turned faces i'd *really* worry about. once the Narod get going, you're screwed.

(yes, it's a Russian term, but you know what i mean. %-)

362 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:28:09am

re: #361 redc1c4

There was this article on CNN back a few months ago that explained how Cold War analysts for the CIA could tell who had gained influence or had been purged pretty much by the seating arrangement of the Supreme Leader and the Generals at those regular Red Square army parades.

363 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:29:15am

re: #358 redc1c4

It does? Her only residual is "football shoulders" as far as I can tell...

Okay, let me take a stab at it:

2 English comp
2-4 History/social sciences
2 Math
2 Science
1-2 Language

Micro Econ
Macro Econ
Accounting
Marketing
Management
Finance


5-6 "major" courses
3-4 "electives"

...I'm missing a lot. :-(

A second finance course? accounting? "business ethics"?

364 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:30:16am

Aha! Let's ask laZardo!

/horse's mouth ;-)

365 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:31:39am

re: #364 littleoldlady

Uh...hmmm, it's dinner time. BBL.

/zips!

//high school days, not the happiest ones

366 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:34:32am

re: #365 laZardo

College! I was talking a typical college curriculum...

367 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:37:20am

re: #363 littleoldlady

It does? Her only residual is "football shoulders" as far as I can tell...

Okay, let me take a stab at it:

2 English comp
2-4 History/social sciences
2 Math
2 Science
1-2 Language

Micro Econ
Macro Econ
Accounting
Marketing
Management
Finance


5-6 "major" courses
3-4 "electives"

...I'm missing a lot. :-(

A second finance course? accounting? "business ethics"?

almost none of that crap, or i wouldn't have signed up. mostly smoke, little substance, and a minor in "communication", which evidently doesn't include humping a PRC-77 for miles in my ruck. thank gawd. %-)

email me (it's blue) and i'll send you the details.

368 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:38:32am

re: #365 laZardo

Uh...hmmm, it's dinner time. BBL.

/zips!

//high school days, not the happiest ones

sounds like the Kinks album....

/too late to dig now, almost breakfast here.

(go to bed? y/n %-)

369 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:39:30am

re: #368 redc1c4

sounds like the Kinks album....

/too late to dig now, almost breakfast here.

(go to bed? y/n %-)

no way. have another Miller.

370 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:40:50am

re: #366 littleoldlady

Oh, THAT! Well, it varies by major, and the college where I'm going uses a very strict "track" flowchart. I get all my general education in the 1st year, design "fundamentals" (color theory, freehand drawing, the basics) in the 2nd, the 3rd is the real nitty-gritty and the 4th is Thesis Year.

Of course, since I'm a transfer, I ended up severely "derailed" and may end up taking a 5th year. =_= I'm also trying to put off this mandatory "NSTP" thing which consists of either community service or ROTC, mainly because of the horrific hazing stories I've heard regarding the latter.

That and if I graduate, I'll be starting from financial scratch when I go to take my Masters stateside...since the graduate's financial aid pool is drier than the Mojave...

371 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:41:39am

re: #369 Ms. Missive

no way. have another Miller.

only if you tell Household 6 it was your idea.....

i'm up for it, but she expects me to be (somewhat) productive in the day time, and LGF doesn't count..........

/unfortunately %-)

372 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:46:47am

re: #370 laZardo

My daughter is a transfer student, too, and had to take two courses this summer just so she could enter as a sophomore this year.

Two econ courses, online. I'm not going to let her take any more online courses. She didn't learn anything. :-/

373 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:49:40am

red,

email bounced.

374 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:50:46am

re: #372 littleoldlady

My daughter is a transfer student, too, and had to take two courses this summer just so she could enter as a sophomore this year.

Two econ courses, online. I'm not going to let her take any more online courses. She didn't learn anything. :-/

learn? i just need the degree.....

/ticket puncher %-)

L8r, y'all!

white smoke!

375 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:51:29am

TRIPOLI, Lebanon - A bomb ripped through a bus carrying civilians and members of the military during Wednesday morning rush hour in the northern Lebanese city of Tripoli, killing 18 people and wounding 40, security officials said.

The officials said the dead included 10 off-duty soldiers.

The bomb was planted on the side of a main street and went off as the bus passed by. The streets were filled with people heading to work, which contributed to the many casualties, the officials said.

SNIP

376 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:52:09am

re: #373 littleoldlady

red,

email bounced.

my id AT sbcglobal DOT net

/shouldn't have bounced, but WTF?

377 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:52:10am

Good morning lizards.
I was concerned to read recently that Iraq has run up a cash surplus of $79 billion which is apparently not being used to pay for the war or reconstruction efforts. If this is the way the USA is allowing the situation to proceed, then it begs the question of whether the assumed mantle of the world's only superpower has become a source of economic weakness rather than strength. The cost of single-handedly financing the costs of civilizing the third and developing world seem to be far too high for one nation to bear for very long. Is it perhaps time for the USA to download to Europe, China and Russia a much greater share of the economic and military burden of fighting the global war on Islamofascism?
GAO: Iraq could have $79 billion budget surplus

378 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:57:58am

re: #372 littleoldlady

At least they were online courses, not go-to-class-type. I think.

/actually has dinner nao, brb

379 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:00:21am

re: #375 MandyManners

Vsiualize No Islam

380 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:01:26am

Where's his rubber ducky?

A group of Burger King employees in Ohio are looking for new jobs after an Internet video surfaced of one worker bathing in a store sink, WDTN.com reported Tuesday.

The video, which was posted on MySpace.com by an employee calling himself “Mr. Unstable,” shows the teen taking a nude bubble bath in a large stainless steel sink as other employees and a store manager looked on, WDTN.com reported.

SNIP

381 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:02:15am

re: #379 Ojoe

Vsiualize No Islam

I'd have to go bacf in time before I joined LGF.

382 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:17:58am

Hi Everyone.

Anybody awake?

383 FamHistoryGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:18:47am

Night all. Getting to be way past my bedtime.

384 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:21:44am

re: #382 little blessing

I am...probly for a few more hours anyhoo.

385 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:21:51am

awake! awake! me! me!

386 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:24:36am

re: #384 laZardo

re: #385 Ms. Missive

Glad to hear it. I thought I'd have to start talking to myself.

/on the other hand, some of the best conversations...

387 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:25:44am

super multi tasking in effect!

Watching the Olympics.
Studying Hebrew.
Writing a new blog post.

.....and of course, lurking around LGF!

How's your morning so far?

388 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:25:52am

re: #382 little blessing

little blessing! :-)

Awake, yes.

But unable to stay.... :-(

Good day, ALL!™

389 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:27:34am

re: #388 littleoldlady

Cheers. (:

390 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:28:30am
391 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:31:04am

re: #388 littleoldlady

Bye Littleoldlady! : )
Till next time!

re: #387 Ms. Missive

Impressive!

Spend the day at a PD on Mental Wellbeing in schools. Came home and sent Little One to the Dr. with spouse. Put up dinner for Big One and Middle One and went to my second job. Came home, treated Little One for Conjunctivitis and suspected ear infection, put all three to bed, had dinner and now waiting for the Soccer to start! : )

That pretty much sums it up!

/Aussie time here...9:30 p.m. Wednesday evening.

392 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:31:26am

re: #390 taxfreekiller

Didn't hear of that Picken's Plan before you posted, no apology needed to me. o:

393 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:31:49am

re: #391 little blessing

Conjunctivitis? What's that again?

394 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:33:02am

re: #393 Ms. Missive

pink eye!

395 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:37:00am

re: #394 little blessing

pink eye!

ohhh! no fun at all. And contagious!

396 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:41:47am

re: #395 Ms. Missive

Yup and she has it in both eyes.

What's news in Israel?

397 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:43:04am

re: #396 little blessing

See my #286 for a little humor. (;

398 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:44:36am

re: #397 laZardo

LOL!

399 Dar ul Harbarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:45:12am

From today's WSJ


Rightous Russian Peacekeeper's hold steadfast after the anounced ceasefire, sheathing their mighty swift sword despite the outrages of the Georgians...NOT

Eyewitnesses and fleeing residents said that with Russian tanks securing Gori, Ossetian militias and Russian cossacks began pillaging stores and homes. Some Georgians attempting to escape said they were told by irregulars to abandon their cars and valuables at gunpoint, and forced to walk toward Tbilisi. At least one vehicle of Western journalists was also seized at gunpoint by Russian-allied irregulars.

"The Russians are looting everything in sight. The whole city is full of marauders," said Roland Bochiashvili as he left Gori.

400 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:46:00am

re: #390 taxfreekiller

Hey TFK! You mean that the Mighty Pelosi (who is not allowing a yea or nay vote on off shore or domestic drilling) is buying shares in a new alternative energy company?

Did I read that right?

401 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:47:47am

re: #399 Dar ul Harbarian

From today's WSJ


Rightous Russian Peacekeeper's hold steadfast after the anounced ceasefire, sheathing their mighty swift sword despite the outrages of the Georgians...NOT

Unfortunately, Russian Army looting, robbery & rape is nothing new. The Germans literally cowered in fear. For that matter, Stalin deliberately sent in Tatar units to put the fear of God into the Germans of Berlin.

402 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:48:11am

re: #399 Dar ul Harbarian

From today's WSJ


Rightous Russian Peacekeeper's hold steadfast after the anounced ceasefire, sheathing their mighty swift sword despite the outrages of the Georgians...NOT

And, according to al-Jazeera, IT'S ALL OUR FAULT!

The US has had stern words for Russia over its military intervention in Georgia to back South Ossietian separatists, but many analysts say that the Bush administration must share the blame for the crisis.

Washington has formed a close bond with the government of Mikheil Saakashvili since he came to power in the 2003 'Rose Revolution,' offering military and economic aid and encouraging Georgia to join Nato.

Jon Sawyer, the director for the Pulitzer Centre for Crisis Reporting, said US politicians had encouraged their Georgian counterparts to think they had the backing of the US when Tbilisi decided to launch its attack on South Ossetia last week.

"The US has for several years now mishandled the situation in Georgia," he told Al Jazeera.

"The way that Mikheil Saakashvili has approached this [has been by] thinking that he could be an extension of the west, a partner of the United States."

"In many ways we have given him cause for thinking that, with the many visits to the United States, the talk of Georgia as a beacon for democracy."


SNIP

403 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:52:21am

Good morning all!

Just thought you might like to know that we can stop worrying about the whole energy problem:

Fed Okays Increase Production At Millstone Nuclear Power PLant

The Millstone nuclear power complex in Waterford has won federal approval to increase the generating capacity at one of its reactors by 7 percent.

So go ahead and keep your heat turned up to 72 degrees!

404 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:53:39am

re: #403 Ford_Prefect

G'morning!

I'm thinking you forgot the sarc tag there though. That's gonna be a lot more waste...

405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:53:40am

re: #402 MandyManners


Well. We knew that it was just a matter of time before someone figured out a way to point the finger.

406 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:55:43am

re: #404 laZardo

G'morning!

I'm thinking you forgot the sarc tag there though. That's gonna be a lot more waste...

You are right I did forget the sarc tag.

Here you go

/

407 stashiu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:58:34am

re: #89 Mars Needs Neocons

I was prescribed half a tab of trazadone. Helps with my sleep, restless leg, and takes a little more of the edge off my depression.

32foxtrot here. Anyway, 200mg of traz every nite for me.

408 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:59:25am

Funny editorial of Obama's Presidential reaction to the Georgia/Russia issue:

Obama White House

409 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:01:37am

re: #405 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well. We knew that it was just a matter of time before someone figured out a way to point the finger.

On five fronts, too. One, we were nice to Sakaashvili. Two, we gave Georgia money. Three, we had the gall to try to ensure access to fuel without Russia. Four, we did the other two in Russia's back-yard. Five, we forced Russia to act by our helping establish Kosovo.

410 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:02:38am

re: #396 little blessing

Yup and she has it in both eyes.

What's news in Israel?

sorry for the delay in response. Got wrapped up watching the Israeli swimmer get first place in his qualification! woo hoo!

411 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:03:48am

re: #409 MandyManners

On five fronts, too. One, we were nice to Sakaashvili. Two, we gave Georgia money. Three, we had the gall to try to ensure access to fuel without Russia. Four, we did the other two in Russia's back-yard. Five, we forced Russia to act by our helping establish Kosovo.

Gah! Four, we did the former three in Russia's back-yard.

Gotta' adjust my IV's caffeine drip. Too much blood in my caffeine.

412 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:04:23am

re: #410 Ms. Missive

Not much new in Israel. The usually, ya know... Palestinians being silly... Syrians being silly... Egyptians being silly...

I wrote all about it today on my blog. :) Check it out if you so feel inclined. (Linked to my name)

413 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:04:44am

Live report on Fox right now - Steve Centeti counted with own eyes more than 40 Russian tanks moving into Gori in violation of truce.

414 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:04:47am

Interesting note:

Republican Trio Backs Obama

The group, called Republicans for Obama, is led by two moderate Republicans -- James Leach, a former U.S. representative from Iowa, and Lincoln Chafee, a former U.S. senator from Rhode Island -- along with Rita Hauser, a prominent fund-raiser for President George W. Bush.

Gee, I wonder why Leach and Chafee are both 'former' office holders.

/

415 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:06:39am

re: #413 galloping granny

Never trust a Russian's word.

/Russian Background!

416 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:07:54am

re: #413 galloping granny

Live report on Fox right now - Steve Centeti counted with own eyes more than 40 Russian tanks moving into Gori in violation of truce.

What gave me the shivers is that there are no forces between Gori and Tblisi.

How does Putin think he will affect regime change? Storming Tbilisi and bombing Sakaashvili? Arresting him? Who'll be the next president of Georgia? A Putin puppet? Force Georgia back into Russia?

417 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:08:19am

re: #180 Karridine

Mars is a sister, I think, astron...

/fortunately, she won't see your faux pas, :D

Nope guy.

418 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:08:20am

re: #414 Ford_Prefect

Interesting note:

Republican Trio Backs Obama


Gee, I wonder why Leach and Chafee are both 'former' office holders.

/

THEY'RE NOT REPUBLICANS!

419 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:08:24am

Georgia beats Russia in the Olympics Judo competition! classic.

420 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:08:58am

re: #415 little blessing

Never trust a Russian's word.

/Russian Background!

My precious eldest grandchild's "other" family is Russian. You don't need to tell me about that one :(

On a funny note, she tells me that she wants to learn Russian. Why? So that she can understand what they say when they speak Russian in front of her. (Regular occurrence, yes they speak English, been here 20+ years)

421 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:09:36am

re: #419 Ms. Missive

Now they have to convert it in the political realm.

422 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:10:20am

Phelps eats up to 12,000 calories a day? That'd be more than enough for me to last around 10 days.

423 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:10:29am

re: #416 MandyManners

What gave me the shivers is that there are no forces between Gori and Tblisi.

How does Putin think he will affect regime change? Storming Tbilisi and bombing Sakaashvili? Arresting him? Who'll be the next president of Georgia? A Putin puppet? Force Georgia back into Russia?

All of that - plus. I have thought right along that the entire thing is a great big dare to the US in Iraq. Haven't seen a thing to change my mind either. I would be watching Syria and Iran like a hawk.

424 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:10:43am

re: #420 galloping granny

Ah, a kindred spirit.

She should listen and watch their facial expressions. I speak a fluent conversational Russian and that's how I learnt.

/cant read or write, though

425 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:10:53am

re: #420 galloping granny

My precious eldest grandchild's "other" family is Russian. You don't need to tell me about that one :(

On a funny note, she tells me that she wants to learn Russian. Why? So that she can understand what they say when they speak Russian in front of her. (Regular occurrence, yes they speak English, been here 20+ years)

Oh, that is incredibly rude. Heck, it's toxic!

426 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:11:31am

re: #423 galloping granny

All of that - plus. I have thought right along that the entire thing is a great big dare to the US in Iraq. Haven't seen a thing to change my mind either. I would be watching Syria and Iran like a hawk.

Tha's something I try not to ponder too much.

427 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:12:24am

Gotta' pry The Kid outta' bed and ready for school. The excitement of the first day is gone.

Might wanna' buy an air-horn.

bbl

428 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:12:40am

re: #425 MandyManners

Oh, that is incredibly rude. Heck, it's toxic!

Yup. And it is incredibly rude in just about every country in the world, to deliberately speak in a language that your hosts do not know. Right up there with refusing food when it is offered to you. They do that too.

429 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:14:13am

re: #422 MandyManners

Phelps eats up to 12,000 calories a day? That'd be more than enough for me to last around 10 days.

My breve latte in the morning is probably half that.

430 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:14:18am

re: #427 MandyManners

1st day of school?,my kids don't start for about 3 weeks yet.

431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:14:37am

re: #412 Ms. Missive

Any silly Israelis?

432 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:16:57am

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Any silly Israelis?

Of course! Sometimes we've got the rest beat when it comes to silliness....

433 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:17:08am

re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Olmert wins gold medal in that area.

434 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:17:43am

re: #418 MandyManners

THEY'RE NOT REPUBLICANS!

This from the same article:

Republicans responded by stressing Sen. McCain's bipartisan accomplishments. "Obama can roll out whoever he wants," said McCain adviser Nicolle Wallace. But for Sen. McCain, compromise "is in his DNA. It's who he is."

Don't they understand that that is the problem that conservatives have with McCain? We need someone with strongly held core values that will lead people to understand they are right, not 'compromise' on important issues just to say that we got something passed, even if it isn't what should be passed.

435 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:17:49am

Good morning Lizards...........

436 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:18:12am

re: #412 Ms. Missive

I did and enjoyed your blog....added to favorites.

437 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:20:10am

re: #435 doriangrey

Good morning Lizards...........

Morning.

438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:22:23am

re: #432 Ms. Missive

"Uh, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place."
-King Arthur

439 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:23:02am

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Uh, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place."
-King Arthur

:) nice.

440 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:23:22am

re: #436 Big Steve

I did and enjoyed your blog....added to favorites.

Thanks Steve! Look forward to seeing you around...

441 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:24:20am

re: #440 Ms. Missive

Only if you don't pick on me like yesterday!

442 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:24:49am

re: #441 Big Steve

Only if you don't pick on me like yesterday!

Me!? Pick on people!? NEVER!

443 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:25:31am

re: #428 galloping granny

funny story,my buddy would have his relatives from miami visit at cristmas every year.they would go from using english with us(the crew i hung around with)to spanish among themselves.we knew a smattering of spanish(some words and phrases)we figured we'd fix them.one night,while they were talking,my one friend who only knew a little spanish,basiclly excused us.we decided to switch to german,and then smile and laugh.(basically what we were saying was gibberish)Their eyes went wide,and they looked very uncomfortable for the rest of the night.(oh and the switching between languages stopped)

444 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:25:56am

re: #441 Big Steve

Only if you don't pick on me like yesterday!

Have no worries Steve, Mandy is here to do the picking this morning.... ;P

445 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:26:56am

re: #440 Ms. Missive

Thanks Steve! Look forward to seeing you around...

Israelis are incurably optimistic and occasionally incredibly short sighted but rarely silly as far as I've encountered them.

Russian tanks in Gori and moving on Tblisi at speed! US journalists eyewitness reports.

446 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:29:30am

It is on folks, Putin is doubling down on his bet. Time to scrub the Black Sea fleet, blow the tunnel and rail line and kill the snake. Sarkozy better feel bitch slapped.

447 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:29:52am

re: #419 Ms. Missive

Georgia beats Russia in the Olympics Judo competition! classic.

Interestingly, one of the worst case of sportsmanship in the Olympics (in the 1950's) occured during a waterpolo match between Russia and Hungary. It also occured during an Olympics being held in the middle of the Soviets clamping down.

Waterpolo Riot

448 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:30:17am

re: #445 lifeofthemind

Israelis are incurably optimistic and occasionally incredibly short sighted but rarely silly as far as I've encountered them.

Russian tanks in Gori and moving on Tblisi at speed! US journalists eyewitness reports.

When you see an Israeli cab driver honking manically at a donkey pulling a cart in the middle of the road with sweat starts to pore down his face from the amount of energy he's expending trying to get the damn thing to move with his horn ... then yes... sometimes Israelis can be silly.

449 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:31:23am

re: #443 Boondock St. Bender

funny story,my buddy would have his relatives from miami visit at cristmas every year.they would go from using english with us(the crew i hung around with)to spanish among themselves.we knew a smattering of spanish(some words and phrases)we figured we'd fix them.one night,while they were talking,my one friend who only knew a little spanish,basiclly excused us.we decided to switch to german,and then smile and laugh.(basically what we were saying was gibberish)Their eyes went wide,and they looked very uncomfortable for the rest of the night.(oh and the switching between languages stopped)

That is funny! If I was sure they did not know German or Spanish I would give it a whirl. Luckily they only bother to visit once a year or so for a couple of hours so it is not the constant irritant it would otherwise be.

The strange thing to me is that every single person I have ever known to do this knows darned good and well it is rude and would be mad as a wet hen if someone did it to them.

450 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:32:53am

re: #448 Ms. Missive

Debka, I know its Debka, reports that Jumblatt has signed on with the Syrians.

451 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:33:15am

Michelle Malkin has an interesting commentary about the relationship between Pelosi and T. Boone Pickens here.

As reported on #dontgomovement.com, Speaker Pelosi bought between $50,000 and $100,000 of stock in Pickens’ CLNE Corp. in May 2007 on the day of the initial public offering:

“She, and other investors, stand to gain a substantial return on their investment if gasoline prices stay high and municipal, state and even the Federal governments start using natural gas as their primary fuel source. If gasoline prices fall? Alternative fuels and the cost to convert fleets over to them becomes less and less attractive.”

Small wonder that she won't allow the dig now proposal to come to a vote.

452 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:33:36am

Steve Centani with a live report from Gori - he got a text message from BBC reporters that said GET OUT NOW. Took video on the way out of Gori of the Russian armored vehicles moving into Gori. Reports he is hearing now is that the Russian forces that he filmed this morning are moving again. There is nothing at all to stop them between Gori and Tbilisi.

453 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:34:24am

re: #450 lifeofthemind

Debka, I know its Debka, reports that Jumblatt has signed on with the Syrians.

I try to take Debka tongue-in-cheek.

454 Wyatt Earp  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:34:26am

Morning Lizards! Here's your Olympic Babe O' The Day!

455 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:35:17am

Fox now saying this could be more significant than when Russia invaded Afghanistan.

456 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:36:24am

re: #455 galloping granny

What do you think the "west" will do about it?

457 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:36:34am

re: #449 galloping granny

A Vietnamese friend told me this story. He was a teenager when he and his parents came to the US in 1975. A year later his parents had saved to buy a new car and went to a dealer where the saleman they dealt with was a Mom and Apple pie American. As they did the dance over price, his parents started to discuss the matter in Vietnamese in front of the salesman who sat their clueless. They opening, in their language discussed what their final price would be and several times made viscious fun of the salesman who continued to sit there with a vacuous smile. Finally when the deal was all done, and they were leaving the salesman started talking to them in perfect Vietnamese. They burned with shame and slunk away.

458 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:37:06am

re: #449 galloping granny

exactly,there is no better way to make someone uncomfortable then doing something like that(especially when all present speak english)It's one thing if say they were translating for someone who didn't.but if all speak the same language it's just rude.

We were lucky our little gambit wasn't discovered.(it was all bluff,we only knew a couple of phrases)That would have been very embaressing)

459 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:37:07am

re: #451 Ford_Prefect

Well, Miss Pelosi should be introduced to Conflict of Interest laws, Prefect!

460 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:37:10am

re: #438 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"Uh, on second thought, let's not go to Camelot. Tis a silly place."
-King Arthur

Here you go.

461 Lively  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:39:28am

re: #408 Ford_Prefect

Funny editorial of Obama's Presidential reaction to the Georgia/Russia issue:

Obama White House


LOL

462 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:40:02am

re: #457 Big Steve

I taught Korean during my 4 years in the Army... (USS Pueblo era)... but several times since then I've had near-identical experience with Koreans... I could tip them off, but the message comes home MUCH MORE POWERFULLY when they're confronted with their racist, elitist comments AFTER the fact, Steve!

463 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:42:27am

re: #452 galloping granny

Now is the time for freedom loving georgians to start fighting back.(standard ambush tactics on russian convoys,covert attacks on supply/comd control areas)hopefully,the georgians have the training/assets in place to do something.

464 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:43:45am

re: #456 little blessing

What do you think the "west" will do about it?

I don't know. What I see when I look at the map is that Tbilisi is just about due north of Mosul, Iraq. Not all that far milewise either. We probably could run up there and take onthe Russian Bear, but that would destabilize Iraq, where we are sandwiched between two long time staunch Russian allies - Syria and Iran. If we do anything, we have a three front war on our hands and the rest of the MidEast has the perfect opportunity to steam roll right over Israel while we are otherwise occupied.

(Take note here of Iran's threat to close the Straights last week and Abbas rejection of Israel's offer of all of Gaza and 95% of the West Bank because it did not include Jerusalem yesterday.)

The other side of that is that if we do nothing then the Russians will steam roller right over every single one of the former Soviet Bloc countries - maybe even all the way to Berlin. And there is damned all to stop them. Poland might have enough resources to put up a fight but the rest of them do not.

And BTW, that pipeline that is one of the very few from the Caucasus oil fields to Europe is only a spit and a stone's throw beyond Tbilisi. If Russia takes that, then Russia has a near complete monopoly on oil and gas to Europe. Which also means they can dictate an awful lot of stuff.

All in all - brink of WWIII.

465 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:45:34am

re: #462 Karridine

That was quite a long time ago, but for some reason I'm curious now as to how you ended up with the Baha'i faith...

466 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:45:48am

re: #463 Boondock St. Bender

Now is the time for freedom loving georgians to start fighting back.(standard ambush tactics on russian convoys,covert attacks on supply/comd control areas)hopefully,the georgians have the training/assets in place to do something.

That is what the resistance has been doing to us in Iraq for the last couple of years. Does that make them "freedom loving" as well.

467 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:46:47am

re: #466 Big Steve

Well, the Georgians are now just US-sponsored puppets. They're not freedom-loving patriots like the Iraqi freedom fighters are.

//////

468 little blessing  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:46:50am

re: #464 galloping granny

Wow. Get outta my head!

My thoughts exactly but I think that if we engage Russia, Iran will hop right into the mess on their good old friends, the bear's side.

469 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:47:07am

re: #466 Big Steve

That is what the resistance has been doing to us in Iraq for the last couple of years. Does that make them "freedom loving" as well.

/nodding head in agreement

470 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:47:45am

re: #464 galloping granny

That oil pipe line may be the key to our "unofficial" involvement.It all depends on how valueable the potus feels this is.could be a very interesting 24-48 hrs.

471 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:47:59am

The French should move everything they can into POland and the Poles and and other East Europeans of Nato should get everything they can into the Ukraine NOW.

472 Lively  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:48:07am

Obama is going to learn fast that you just can't "diplomat" your way out of the things when you have aggressive countries involved. Russia is going to do what it wants to do until it's stopped or accomplished its goal.

473 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:49:04am

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (65 degrees going up to 75 degrees) and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

474 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:49:13am

re: #459 Karridine

Well, Miss Pelosi should be introduced to Conflict of Interest laws, Prefect!

That was my thought. But that would open up one large can of worms in Washington if you started looking into who has what stocks and how they voted on issues relating to those companies.

475 Lively  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:49:52am

re: #473 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (65 degrees going up to 75 degrees) and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Glad you made it.

Rainy in FL, too.

476 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:50:00am

re: #466 Big Steve

no it does not.(by the by it is also what washington had his irregulars do to the british,are you compareing him to iraqi terrorists?)

477 beblebrox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:50:08am

re: #464 galloping granny

granny:

been a while, but i still lurk. along the lines of your thought, i would not be surprised at all if Poland offered assistance to Georgia as a sort of back-door NATO involvement.

478 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:50:27am

re: #473 realwest

Good morning all y'all - from a cool (65 degrees going up to 75 degrees) and rainy Charlotte!
How is everyone this fine morning?

Good morning realwest. Feeling about as well as can be expected, or perhaps better than I have any right to feel. And yourself?

479 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:50:51am

re: #473 realwest

T'was cool and rainy until about an hour ago, now it's warm again. ):

/other'n that, normal

480 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:51:18am

BTW ALL Y'ALL - Fox News' reporter on the ground in Georgia reports that, notwithstanding the terms of the ceasefire, Russian Armored Personel Carriers are rolling through Gorgi (sp) which is less than a full days "drive" to the capital of Georgia.
Russia say that's not true; who ya gonna believe: Russia or your lyin' eyes?

481 lifeofthemind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:51:38am

Got to go, never doubt the efficacy of prayer, this is going to be a hell of a 6 hours, if the Turks move in then I expect 4,000 dead Russians followed by Putin going into the night. If not then the Russians kill 1,000+ Georgians and the whole future looks very bad for America.

482 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:52:11am

re: #475 Lively Thanks Lively - sorta slept in another 15 minutes today cause it is PERFECT sleeping weather!

483 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:52:14am

re: #471 lifeofthemind

The French should move everything they can into POland and the Poles and and other East Europeans of Nato should get everything they can into the Ukraine NOW.

The French don't have much. Neither do the Germans. Remember that WE have handled the lion's share of the defense of Western Europe for more than 60 years. French and German military isn't much more than the National Guard. Before you even consider the French propensity for surrender.

484 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:52:25am

Unabomber suggests to court that the display of his 'cabin' is upsetting to his victims.

To say nothing of the fact that you killed three people, Ted, your 'victims' are dead but for those you maimed. I'd tell you to get a life, but I forgot - you have one.

485 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:52:50am

re: #480 realwest

BTW ALL Y'ALL - Fox News' reporter on the ground in Georgia reports that, notwithstanding the terms of the ceasefire, Russian Armored Personel Carriers are rolling through Gorgi (sp) which is less than a full days "drive" to the capital of Georgia.
Russia say that's not true; who ya gonna believe: Russia or your lyin' eyes?

I posted pretty close to a quote of his eyewitness report just a little up the thread.

486 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:53:00am

re: #466 Big Steve

That is what the resistance has been doing to us in Iraq for the last couple of years. Does that make them "freedom loving" as well.

Actually the 'resistance' in Iraq has been attacking civilians and the Iraqi government backed military action, not an invading army.

487 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:53:25am

re: #478 doriangrey
Hey dorian, I feel mostly tired - actually getting used to the tooth pain.
How long before you have to drive that slick 'Vette to work today?

488 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:53:37am

re: #480 realwest

BTW ALL Y'ALL - Fox News' reporter on the ground in Georgia reports that, notwithstanding the terms of the ceasefire, Russian Armored Personel Carriers are rolling through Gorgi (sp) which is less than a full days "drive" to the capital of Georgia.
Russia say that's not true; who ya gonna believe: Russia or your lyin' eyes?

Sigh, I do suspect this is going to get really ugly really soon.

489 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:54:19am

re: #487 realwest

Hey dorian, I feel mostly tired - actually getting used to the tooth pain.
How long before you have to drive that slick 'Vette to work today?

About another 10 minutes...

490 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:54:22am

re: #479 laZardo Hey laZardo - I thought that was normal weather for where you are! LOL!

491 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:56:38am

re: #483 galloping granny Good morning {galloping granny}! I fear you are right, but Poland has something of an Army and has withdrawn most if not all, of it's troops from Iraq and I also heard on Fox that Poland, Ukraine and Czechoslovakia are calling up their reserves as we type.

492 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:56:49am

I work right across the street from Marine Corps Air Station Miramar, I have a bad feeling I will be hearing way more Marine air traffic out of their today than is normal...

493 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:57:35am

re: #476 Boondock St. Bender

no it does not.(by the by it is also what washington had his irregulars do to the british,are you compareing him to iraqi terrorists?)

Terrorism is subjecting a civilian, unarmed population to random acts of violence, intended to intimidate. However, attacking supply lines, sniping from hidden spots, and conducting a guerrilla war against an armed and trained military is NOT terror. In Iraq, both have occurred. IED's laid against our military is guerrilla war and to me honest, yes is similar to what Washington did. Blowing oneself up and shopping market is terror.

494 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:59:06am

re: #477 beblebrox

granny:

been a while, but i still lurk. along the lines of your thought, i would not be surprised at all if Poland offered assistance to Georgia as a sort of back-door NATO involvement.

The problem when you talk about NATO involvement is that what you are really talking about is US. The USA has always been the backbone of the heavy lifting detail of NATO.

Unfortunately, with the huge drawdown of our military over the last couple or three decades, we no longer have the resources stationed in Europe that we once did. And we've given up lots of the leases on the military bases that we once held there. So even if we could round up a big enough army to throw into Europe right now (making the potential for a 4 front war, before you include Afghanistan as even a minor consideration) we likely do not have anywhere to put significant numbers of troops.

495 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:59:06am

re: #490 realwest

Normally, it's clear in the morning...but then again I haven't been paying much attention because I don't think the rain's supposed to be over yet at this point in the evening.

It'll probably come back later though.

496 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:59:48am

re: #488 doriangrey
"Sigh, I do suspect this is going to get really ugly really soon."
Nah, if the US was going to do anything at all militarily it would have done so by now.

497 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:00:11am

Good morning lizards.

Depressing new in Colorado. Jared Polis, a self-funded left-wing progressive socialist, won the democrat primary. He used his own money to shower the TV and airwaves with is pontificating self-aggrandizing ads (he's going to save us from BIG OIL you see)

Sick.

498 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:00:40am

The Prophet Muhammad said: If you beat someone, avoid the face.

499 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:01:30am

re: #491 realwest

Good morning {galloping granny}! I fear you are right, but Poland has something of an Army and has withdrawn most if not all, of it's troops from Iraq and I also heard on Fox that Poland, Ukraine and Czechoslovakia are calling up their reserves as we type.

I am sure that they are. Because they are, after all, the very next prime targets. They would be damned fools to not call up every last reserve they can lay hands on. And in particularly the cases of Poland and Czech, there are an awful lot of people alive there that still remember the last time Russia invaded.

500 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:01:51am

re: #493 Big Steve

so then whats your point?comparing resistance agaist russia to iraqi ied planters?(one is resisting an invasion by repressive russians,the other is trying to reestablish their repressive regime.)

501 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:01:56am

re: #416 MandyManners

What gave me the shivers is that there are no forces between Gori and Tblisi.

How does Putin think he will affect regime change? Storming Tbilisi and bombing Sakaashvili? Arresting him? Who'll be the next president of Georgia? A Putin puppet? Force Georgia back into Russia?

Putin's very likely going to take Georgia and then move on the Ukraine - there's absolutely no reason and nothing to stop him. Nato, the Eu don't have the resolve much less the forces to stop him and we're all but completely tied-up in Iraq and Afghanistan with little by way of reserves to spare - even if we had the time(much less the political will) to mobilize.

So for Georgia,

A Putin puppet? Force Georgia back into Russia?

Yes and yes, with a high probability the Ukraine to follow - or fold at the Bear's paws.

Of course, you can imagine where this will lead with the Mullah's and every Islamofascist bastard.

502 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:01:58am

re: #498 Peacekeeper

The Prophet Muhammad said: If you beat someone, avoid the face.

Good thing Muhammad Ali never heard that!

503 beblebrox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:02:10am

re: #494 galloping granny

I understand, I'm just thinking at this point we may see some assistance in the form of air support. Let's face it, Eastern Europe must be getting very nervous at this point.

504 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:02:34am

re: #494 galloping granny Um, we don't need significant amounts of ground forces in Georgia. What we need is significant amounts of F-16 Superhornets and - if we can get them there in time, B-2's and F-22 Raptors. The US can STILL own the skies and if we do own the skies, Russia's ground forces can be stopped, literally dead in their tracks.

505 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:04:00am

re: #501 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

Yes and yes, with a high probability the Ukraine to follow - or fold at the Bear's paws.

Of course, you can imagine where this will lead with the Mullah's and every Islamofascist bastard.

You really think Ukraine is next? I'm almost betting on Armenia, since the Russians are pushing straight through the middle of Georgia. Ukraine is off to the left as you look at the map.

506 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:04:11am

re: #496 realwest

"Sigh, I do suspect this is going to get really ugly really soon."
Nah, if the US was going to do anything at all militarily it would have done so by now.

Time will tell realwest, time will tell. There are a lot of old cold warriors in our military who still do not trust the Russians. Seems that they were correct to not trust them, those old boys would not have any problem pulling the trigger as it were. We have an enormous amount of assets shall we say close at hand. We could be in Georgia even faster than the Russian got there with far more hardware should we chose to support out ally.

507 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:04:44am

re: #465 laZardo

That was quite a long time ago, but for some reason I'm curious now as to how you ended up with the Baha'i Faith...

My love of Christ... and my faith in His ability to have chosen the right words to describe the 'coming of one like unto the Son of Man', even when those words lead to The Year of the Great Expectation which, after 1844, became The Year of the Great Disappointment, when Jesus didn't come down out of the sky...

But possibly, just possibly, Christ came down out of heaven in a body 'every eye could see' and speaking in a voice 'every ear could hear', just as Jesus had...

May 23, 1844.

Google it, realize that He was martyred by the Muslims of His day, and please understand that if I engage in a vigorous defense or explication of my beliefs, here, it will probably be perceived as 'proselytizing'.

/my nic is blue, and thanks for asking, LaZardo

508 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:04:55am

re: #504 realwest

US air support would help, but it may be too late for it. The time to have done that would have been Sunday or Monday, before the Russians entered Georgia.

509 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:05:58am

FOX: Steve Centani just said that the Georgian president just said that there will be NO SURRENDER and that the cease fire is obviously not in effect.

They are also speaking about the attempt to take over the Georgian websites.

510 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:06:46am

re: #500 Boondock St. Bender

so then whats your point?comparing resistance agaist russia to iraqi ied planters?(one is resisting an invasion by repressive russians,the other is trying to reestablish their repressive regime.)

Both are trying to throw off an invading army. It is completely different matter to ascribe motive. I am not making ANY comments about who is right or wrong. But I have observed that when a resistance movement ends up on the winning side it is given great historical romance. When it is on the losing side it is often completely forgotten.

511 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:07:19am

Georgia's President Highlights John McCain's Support at MASSIVE Tbilisi Rally-- Crowd Cheers!

Polish President Lech Kaczynski and Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko also attended the rally to show solidarity with Georgia.

512 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:07:23am

re: #506 doriangrey Well we could be there in significant enough forces (mostly air power) fairly quickly but there are a LOT of people, some of the most respected commenter's out here amongst them, who don't think we should get into a "shooting war" with Russia over Georgia. Mostly because they are concerned that Russia will then use it's nuke arsenal.
I disagree with that assessment, but I'm just telling you what a lot of people are saying.

513 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:07:32am

re: #474 Ford_Prefect

Oh!

You're right, we can't go getting all snoopy and judgmental about politicians, can we? Americans might think about 'justice' and 'no one above the law' and corny, old-fashioned stuff like that, eh Ford?

514 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:08:05am

re: #509 galloping granny

FOX: Steve Centani just said that the Georgian president just said that there will be NO SURRENDER and that the cease fire is obviously not in effect.

They are also speaking about the attempt to take over the Georgian websites.

So in other words, It's on and crackin... Will America support its Ally Georgia or let its Ally be crushed? Stay tuned the answer will be forthcoming shortly....

515 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:09:20am

There ain't gonna be a US military intervention in Georgia.

516 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:09:46am

re: #512 realwest

Well we could be there in significant enough forces (mostly air power) fairly quickly but there are a LOT of people, some of the most respected commenter's out here amongst them, who don't think we should get into a "shooting war" with Russia over Georgia. Mostly because they are concerned that Russia will then use it's nuke arsenal.
I disagree with that assessment, but I'm just telling you what a lot of people are saying.

If the Russian try to pull the nuclear card they will loose big time.

517 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:09:52am

The op-eds this morning are full of parallels between Russian moves on Georgia and the ill-advised Soviet occupation of Afghanistan - with the obligatory swipe at American efforts in Afghanistan and Iraq, of course, but that's another matter. No mention yet that we're a week short of the 40th anniversary of the Warsaw Pact invasion of Czechoslovakia and the crushing of the upstart Dubcek regime in Prague, however. I'm afraid that this is the truer parallel: a swift demonstration of imperial power and cruel reprisal rapidly becomes a power grab and general invasion. While the US and the UN do their tut-tuts. And yesterday's Prague Spring turns into today's Tbilisi Spring.

518 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:10:19am

re: #511 Kenneth

Georgia's President Highlights John McCain's Support at MASSIVE Tbilisi Rally-- Crowd Cheers!

Polish President Lech Kaczynski and Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko also attended the rally to show solidarity with Georgia.

Democratic states like our best pro-democracy candidate: A Republican.
Says much about the modern socialist/communist democrat party USA.

519 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:10:22am

re: #515 Peacekeeper

Once again, America shows how it treats its Vietnamese Georgian allies.

520 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:10:59am

re: #515 Peacekeeper

There ain't gonna be a US military intervention in Georgia.

Maybe, but then George "the Cowboy" Bush isnt exactly known for backing gown from a fight...

521 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:11:05am

re: #508 Kenneth Good morning my friend! Yes, it would have been better and ultimately less costly in terms of human life, if we had done it sooner, but doing it now would enable us to control the skies - which means controlling Soviet Russian supply lines and doing incredible amounts of damage to Russian Armor.
But MOSTLY it would show our other allies - especially Israel, South Korea and Taiwan - that when we say "we are your ally" we mean it even when it hurts or is dangerous to us.
And the value of our doing that can't really be over-stated.

522 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:11:58am
And yesterday's Prague Spring turns into today's Tbilisi Spring Terror.
523 doriangrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:12:38am

Well got to run. I'm going to be late as it is...

524 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:12:45am

re: #512 realwest

Well we could be there in significant enough forces (mostly air power) fairly quickly but there are a LOT of people, some of the most respected commenter's out here amongst them, who don't think we should get into a "shooting war" with Russia over Georgia. Mostly because they are concerned that Russia will then use it's nuke arsenal.
I disagree with that assessment, but I'm just telling you what a lot of people are saying.

I'm not saying we "shouldn't" get into a shooting war with Russia realwest. What I am saying is that if we do we are quite literally entering WWIII.

If we don't, then we display ourselves to be nothing more than the paper tiger we have been labeled for decades. You will see an immediate end to the USA as anything other than a toothless has-been and an immediate reinstatement of the USSR, this time as the #1 superpower in the world, with a stranglehold on Europe and alliances with all of the muslim world as well as at least some of the stronger regimes to our south.

Rock and a hard place, realwest. You know what creek in a lead bottom row boat, trying to bail with a teaspoon.

525 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:13:27am

What our modern left-wing progressive socialist party wants to do with free speech: harness it for themselves. pro-progressive thinking only. All other thoughts are mind-crime.

526 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:14:14am

The Georgians are quite capable of fighting for themselves if they have weapons that will stand up to the Russians. We did this quite well in Afghanistan.

527 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:14:18am

re: #511 Kenneth The most significant part of your post was this:
"Polish President Lech Kaczynski and Ukraine's President Viktor Yushchenko also attended the rally to show solidarity with Georgia."
If the former Warsaw Pact nations do indeed unite (excluding, of course, Germany - no big loss there) then maybe Russia will rethink matters a little.

528 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:15:12am

re: #513 Karridine

Oh!

You're right, we can't go getting all snoopy and judgmental about politicians, can we? Americans might think about 'justice' and 'no one above the law' and corny, old-fashioned stuff like that, eh Ford?

I hear you, Karridine. I am just saying that there probably isn't a single elected official in Washington that doesn't own stock in companies that are effected by their votes. It's not right. It's just the way it is. My original point was just that the situation with Pelosi and Pickens becomes a whole lot clearer when you see the financial relationship. The Dems are forever talking about Republicans being in the pockets of big oil, but they need to look at their own affiliations before they start pointing fingers.

529 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:15:46am

Pelosi is flipper flopping and will allow drilling.....BUT.....only with her addendums such as releasing oil reserves, and lots of Dems energy plan ideas taxes.

530 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:16:20am

re: #511 Kenneth

That proves they're just willing to shill out to the American companies wanting their oil. The Russians just want Ossetia, and Obama respects that.

/does moonbat spin well...it scares me sometimes...

531 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:16:33am

re: #520 doriangrey

Maybe, but then George "the Cowboy" Bush isnt exactly known for backing gown from a fight...

There is a Freudian slip if I ever saw one.

532 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:16:41am

re: #504 realwest

Um, we don't need significant amounts of ground forces in Georgia. What we need is significant amounts of F-16 Superhornets and - if we can get them there in time, B-2's and F-22 Raptors. The US can STILL own the skies and if we do own the skies, Russia's ground forces can be stopped, literally dead in their tracks.

Good morning Realwest.
I suspect that your military assessment is 100% correct.
But do you think that US foreign policy places a higher value on protecting Georgia's territorial integrity using American military force than on maintaining "peaceful" relations with Russia?
It would be different if the US had signed a mutual defence pact with Georgia, or if Georgia was a member of NATO. The fact that neither of these has occurred speaks volumes, does it not?

533 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:17:24am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. The WaPo had an editorial yesterday about the facts regarding drilling. Yet they want people to think that the reason to avoid offshore drilling is that it would take away from alternative energy development. Nonsense. That's worked out so brilliantly for the Europeans. They aren't drilling and they aren't doing alternative energy either.

In fact, they're going in reverse. The Germans said in 2000 that they'd shutter their nuclear power plants. Now, they're not only rethinking that, but they're building a bunch of coal fired plants. Yes, real green.

The Europeans tax the heck out of energy and motor fuels, and yet they aren't seeing the dividends of those tax revenues in the form of green energy development either. So, maybe... just maybe... it's got nothing to do with the Administration's energy policy, but the zero-growth, eco-leftists who thwart construction of power facilities of all kinds that is behind the failure to go "green".

534 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:17:26am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning, {lizards!} &#9836 &#9834

Another below-average summer day in the valley and we're one more day closer to Firday so all's not lost.

*covertly dribbbles a good snort of Cherry Kirsch Brandy into fruitcup*

/it's been THAT kind of week.

535 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:18:04am

re: #531 Ford_Prefect

There is a Freudian slip if I ever saw one.

slice one! er.... nice one!

536 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:18:05am

re: #524 galloping granny Great analogy! However I never said you were one of the posters out here I was thinking about who didn't want to get into a shooting war with Russia and in fact you weren't.
And to be fair, those two highly respected posters who don't want to get into a shooting war (well, want isn't the right word, nobody except Russia wants to get into a shooting war) are lawhawk and Occassional Reader. I respect each of them tremendously, but I disagree with them on this issue.

537 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:18:06am

re: #527 realwest

Someone here noted that Angela Merkel is an East German, she'd know what communism was like. If she doesn't attend, it's probably because of excessive pull from her parliament.

538 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:19:24am

re: #533 lawhawk

Hi lawhawk...there was an amazing piece in the National Post the other day by Debra Burlingame-did you see it, called "Dear Miranda", about how one of the Guantanamo jihadis wrote sloppy, shitty, jihadi poetry, was celebrated by American lefties, and then he went on to blow himself up and Iraqi policemen promptly upon his release. I can't find it for some reason...It was excellent.

539 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:19:40am

re: #515 Peacekeeper

No direct intervention. The ground rules of the Cold War still apply:

1. No direct confrontations.
2. Use proxies.

The Russians took the initiative in Georgia. That means the US has to stay out, at least directly. The US must rely upon proxies to roll back the Russians. The Georgians are the obvious proxy, but their army is small and without air support there isn't much they can do. And much as we would like it, the US is not going to send any jets to watch over Georgian skies. Maybe the Turks or the Ukrainians will?

Listen for reports of Georgian special forces or commandos using Javelin anti-tank missiles. If that is happening, then the US has joined the fight by supplying their proxies with a "game leveling" weapon. There were 130 US military advisers in Georgia already, involved in training. My guess they have a new mission now. The US is probably sharing satellite intel with the Georgians, but absent any serious weapons that will only seerve to show them how much of their country they have lost.

540 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:20:58am

re: #532 sparrowlake Well I don't know how most folks spell ally - Georgia has been fighting alongside us in Iraq, we have been training Georgian forces in Georgia, we have -within the last 36-48 hours sent in special forces with a LOT of anti-tank weapons to teach the Georgians how to use 'em. Paper or no paper, that sounds like we're allies to me.

541 Peacekeeper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:22:38am

re: #539 Kenneth


A few Stingers will take care of the clunky Russian Bomobers and helicopters. Javelin would make mincemeat of tanks. Without massive firepower support the Russains have no stomach to fight man to man.

542 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:23:16am

re: #532 sparrowlake

Good morning Realwest.
I suspect that your military assessment is 100% correct.
But do you think that US foreign policy places a higher value on protecting Georgia's territorial integrity using American military force than on maintaining "peaceful" relations with Russia?
It would be different if the US had signed a mutual defence pact with Georgia, or if Georgia was a member of NATO. The fact that neither of these has occurred speaks volumes, does it not?

This is a case where the US needs a leader who will lead in the right direction, not do what is politically expediant. The right thing to do is back the democratically elected government against the invading army of a historically oppressive government. It shouldn't matter what that nations NATO status is.

543 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:23:20am

re: #533 lawhawk

good points.


But if we throw more money at the problem,a utopian solution is only right around the corner!
/L3 off

544 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:25:10am

Wait-here it is: MUST READ!

Debra Burlingame "Dear Miranda".

Note: Ms. Burlingame, a former attorney and a director of the National September 11 Memorial Foundation, is the sister of Charles F. "Chic" Burlingame III, the pilot of American Airlines flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

545 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:26:25am

re: #539 Kenneth
Hey Kenneth - I musta had Cranky Flakes this morning cause I again have to disagree with you about "The ground rules of the Cold War still apply"
cause the Cold War was about the Soviet Union (meaning, mostly it's "satellite nations" in Eastern Europe) and the US (more directly but also through our allies) are now free to fight for democracy. And the remarkable thing is that those who have the least amount of experience with democracy seem to be the most willing to fight. Of course they are also the ones with the most experience of living under the bootheels of Communist Russia, so that may have something to do with it also.

546 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:26:31am

re: #528 Ford_Prefect

Man, I hear you loud and clear.

I was in no way critical of your comments, Ford. I was ranking and snarking on the Pelosi's and Reids of our world.

Dang it.

547 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:26:37am

re: #541 Peacekeeper

A few Stingers will take care of the clunky Russian Bomobers and helicopters. Javelin would make mincemeat of tanks. Without massive firepower support the Russains have no stomach to fight man to man.

true true. one question, is georgia playing a little possum here? There is little or no mention of Georgian forces fighting back. media black out, media access problems, the supposed cyber black out? just because a cnn phone report says he saw a column of russian armour heading the wrong way down a road, is it as simple as some russian doofus commander taking a wrong road. too many questions right now, not enough answers.

548 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:26:47am

re: #504 realwest

Um, we don't need significant amounts of ground forces in Georgia. What we need is significant amounts of F-16 Superhornets and - if we can get them there in time, B-2's and F-22 Raptors. The US can STILL own the skies and if we do own the skies, Russia's ground forces can be stopped, literally dead in their tracks.

re: #541 Peacekeeper

A few Stingers will take care of the clunky Russian Bomobers and helicopters. Javelin would make mincemeat of tanks. Without massive firepower support the Russains have no stomach to fight man to man.


Who brought down the 9? Russian planes?

549 Karridine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:28:21am

Gotta go.

550 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:28:45am

re: #521 realwest

Good morning to you too! I hope you are feeling fine today.

But MOSTLY it would show our other allies - especially Israel, South Korea and Taiwan - that when we say "we are your ally" we mean it even when it hurts or is dangerous to us.
And the value of our doing that can't really be over-stated.

That is the biggest strategic threat to the US. Not the Russian military per se, but the signal that the US won't act to defend her allies.

On the other hand, depending on how this plays out (& it's far from over), the Russians may provoke their former subjects into moving closer to the west. Ukraine, Georgia & Azerbaijan have all asked to join NATO and are at various stages. This aggression may speed along their acceptance to full membership. Armenia may ask to join next.

My thinking is the longer the fighting runs on, the better it is for Georgia. The Russians are brutal with shock warfare, but have never managed to look after long supply lines. Ivan the conscript does not want to spend yet another winter in the Caucasus.

551 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:29:08am

re: #547 Spider Mensch

true true. one question, is georgia playing a little possum here? There is little or no mention of Georgian forces fighting back. media black out, media access problems, the supposed cyber black out? just because a cnn phone report says he saw a column of russian armour heading the wrong way down a road, is it as simple as some russian doofus commander taking a wrong road. too many questions right now, not enough answers.

Georgia is a tiny country - only 4 million people, so about 4 times the population of Vermont. 2000 of their troops were in Iraq. I would venture that number represents a huge commitment of their military.

552 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:30:07am

re: #549 Karridine

Cheers.

553 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:30:08am
554 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:31:36am

Jumblatt goes on the list, I guess.

555 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:32:20am

re: #548 akak I suspect the Georgian Armed Forces did and did it with their own weaponry.
Who has killed or wounded thousands of civilians in this little venture of Russia's? Russia - they don't have smart or precision bombs; don't want 'em. Their "war perspective" is pretty much the same as it was in WWII - kill all of "X" country's miliary and if a hell of a lot of "X" country's civilians die too, well that's just another reason not to mess around with Mother Russia.

556 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:32:35am

re: #554 akak

Jumblatt goes on the list, I guess.

Which list?

557 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:33:32am

Morning {realwest} *smooooochie-SMOOOOCH*

:D

558 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:33:46am

re: #545 realwest

The Cold War ground rules were developed to avoid nuclear war. Russia is still Russia, the dominant nation in a multi-ethnic Asian empire. This began under the Tsars, continued with the USSR and is resurgent under Putin's gang.

The US won't get directly involved, but behind the scenes is certainly involved. The Poles, Ukrainians & etc. know where this threat is pointed, so they may act as proxies or intermediaries.

559 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:33:58am

re: #555 realwest

I suspect the Georgian Armed Forces did and did it with their own weaponry.
Who has killed or wounded thousands of civilians in this little venture of Russia's? Russia - they don't have smart or precision bombs; don't want 'em. Their "war perspective" is pretty much the same as it was in WWII - kill all of "X" country's miliary and if a hell of a lot of "X" country's civilians die too, well that's just another reason not to mess around with Mother Russia.

Yeah, that whole "no civilian casualties" applies only to the US you know. Everyone else in the world considers as many civilian casualties as possible to be the desired strategy.

560 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:33:59am

Just for Zombie - Kitty of the day.

561 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:34:23am

BBIAM.

562 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:34:34am

re: #505 galloping granny

granny, Putin will no probably move along the line of least resistance at least up till our elections(so anythings possible but the Ukraine will not be allowed to become aligned with the West or part of Nato). As far as our elections are concerned, Putin will likely throw Hussein a political bone after taming Georgia in an attempt to hand him the win - the way things are brewing with our Media/the Left it wouldn't be out of the question.

After elections - especially if Hussein gets in - everything goes up for grabs.

563 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:36:15am

re: #562 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

granny, Putin will no probably move along the line of least resistance at least up till our elections(so anythings possible but the Ukraine will not be allowed to become aligned with the West or part of Nato). As far as our elections are concerned, Putin will likely throw Hussein a political bone after taming Georgia in an attempt to hand him the win - the way things are brewing with our Media/the Left it wouldn't be out of the question.

After elections - especially if Hussein gets in - everything goes up for grabs.

Maybe - but I think they have miscalculated on that. And I am frankly not all that sure that Obama's coronation is actually going to take place, despite the best efforts of the DNC.

564 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:38:17am

re: #556 galloping granny

Which list?

capture/arrest/target, but not neccessarily in that order

throwing in with Hezbashitzah in Lebanon, hell who hasn't in Lebanon?

565 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:38:35am

re: #547 Spider Mensch

true true. one question, is georgia playing a little possum here? There is little or no mention of Georgian forces fighting back.

There was a report that the bulk of the Georgian army pulled back south, behind the lesser Caucasus mountains which border on Turkey. Russia tried to trap them but missed. Which means the Georgians have the ability to drag this thing out. The Russians are increasing the pain on them to convince them to give up. Diplomats are talking, publicly and privately. The deal Russia worked out Sarkozy, and which the Georgian gov't accepted was the best offer the West will offer. But Russia has continued to attack... diplomatic if not military over-reach?

566 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:38:38am

Where IS everybody? :0

567 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:39:04am

re: #566 Miss Trixie

BOOOGAH BOOGAH!

568 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:39:15am

re: #535 Ms. Missive


what are the israeli person on the street thinking about the ga. war and it's possible effects on Israel?

569 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:39:18am

re: #536 realwest

I love disagreement when it is phrased so respectfully! Nice RW!

To bad I can't stay. Work calls me, I can ignore it no longer.

See y'all in the funny papers!

570 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:40:03am

re: #567 WriterMom

BOOOGAH BOOGAH!

*snort*

:D

571 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:40:20am

I just spent the last hour looking at polls. It looks like Obama will not win a single southern state, based on polls that show him down as much as 21% in southern states, and down 13% in more democratic states such as Arkansas. I cannot see Obama winning the White House without any southern states.

572 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:40:56am

re: #546 Karridine

Man, I hear you loud and clear.

I was in no way critical of your comments, Ford. I was ranking and snarking on the Pelosi's and Reids of our world.

Dang it.

I guess that is what bothers me the most about the political game. Both sides pontificate and point fingers at the other side accusing them of all sorts of things that they themselves are doing as well. I firmly believe that the time has come for term limits. Being an elected official should not be a lifetime thing. When someone is constantly looking at the polls in order to decide how to vote on an issue they are not doing what they were elected to do. Yes, public opinion matters, but, as I have said a few times today, what we really need is leaders, not capitulators (sp?).

573 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:40:59am

re: #557 {Miss Trixie} Hey there gorgeous, *smooooch* right back atcha!
Hmmmm - is that brandy I taste?! LOL!
I'm doing ok today, hope you get out of the funk you're in soon!

574 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:41:00am

re: #571 maddogg

I just spent the last hour looking at polls. It looks like Obama will not win a single southern state, based on polls that show him down as much as 21% in southern states, and down 13% in more democratic states such as Arkansas. I cannot see Obama winning the White House without any southern states.

Nobody ever has yet.

575 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:41:10am

re: #540 realwest

Well I don't know how most folks spell ally - Georgia has been fighting alongside us in Iraq, we have been training Georgian forces in Georgia, we have -within the last 36-48 hours sent in special forces with a LOT of anti-tank weapons to teach the Georgians how to use 'em. Paper or no paper, that sounds like we're allies to me.

Georgia wants to maintain its independence from Russia and the USA wants the same thing as part of its master policy of dismantling and weakening the former Soviet Empire.
That is a strong common interest but not a formal alliance - no treaty and no NATO membership.
Georgia sent 2,000 troops to Iraq, which is a great show of pro-American support, and which I am sure was intended to secure American assistance in return. But again, no mutual defence treaty.
What I am saying is that the US administration has until now consciously refrained from committing itself to military defence of Georgia, and that policy decision was taken in order to avoid being drawn into a direct confrontation with Russia.
Supplying weapons and training to Georgia is certainly contemplated by the current policy and that is excellent. Maybe the policy is wrong and needs to be changed to a full-blown mutual defence pact, but that is not the situation on the ground.

576 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:42:24am

re: #574 galloping granny

Nobody ever has yet.

He is down by at least 4% in Florida, wven with all the transplanted yankees from northern states.

577 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:42:43am

re: #557 Miss Trixie

Morning {realwest} *smooooochie-SMOOOOCH*

:D

Come on now, not in public...unless you want share with everyone.

578 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:42:43am

re: #542 Ford_Prefect

This is a case where the US needs a leader who will lead in the right direction, not do what is politically expediant. The right thing to do is back the democratically elected government against the invading army of a historically oppressive government. It shouldn't matter what that nations NATO status is.

So are you suggesting that Americans should not vote for Obama?

579 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:42:45am

re: #571 maddogg

BACKWRADS RACSITS!111oneoneoneone

/curious though...Florida included?

580 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:43:13am

re: #576 maddogg

Nvm, just missed that.

581 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:43:21am

re: #568 yochanan

what are the israeli person on the street thinking about the ga. war and it's possible effects on Israel?

Honestly, most aren't paying much attention to it.... at least the Israelis I associate with. I just had a conversation with my room mate a few hours ago and he insisted that Georgia and Russia are good friends because "They both came from the same place... they both speak the same language".

guh?

582 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:44:27am

re: #428 galloping granny

Yup. And it is incredibly rude in just about every country in the world, to deliberately speak in a language that your hosts do not know. Right up there with refusing food when it is offered to you. They do that too.

What a buncha' spayshul snowflakes!

583 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:45:00am

re: #576 maddogg

He is down by at least 4% in Florida, wven with all the transplanted yankees from northern states.

All those transplanted Yankees are old. Many of them have very good recall of Communist propaganda when they hear it, have a first hand knowledge of the last oil crisis. Other things too of course. I would be surprised to see Florida go to Obama.

584 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:45:01am

they just announced Bush is going to speak , they havent specified time to my knowledge

585 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:45:23am

re: #429 Big Steve

My breve latte in the morning is probably half that.

That's some serious dairy.

586 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:45:39am

re: #520 doriangrey

Maybe, but then George "the Cowboy" Bush isnt exactly known for backing gown from a fight...

"The kilt was just worn for day-to-day wear. In battle, you wore a full-length gown covered in sequins. The idea was to blind your enemy with luxury."
/Groundskeeper Willie

587 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:46:18am

re: #584 willowone

they just announced Bush is going to speak , they havent specified time to my knowledge



"sometime before noon"

588 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:46:19am

re: #566 Miss Trixie

Hi there. I am concerned that you haven't sufficiently trained your beloved dog well enough. Therfore, I propose the following program:

1. Buy a manikin & a burka & set it up in your living room.

2. Hide doggy treats in various locations on the burka.

3. Encourage Miss Trixie to "find a treat!"

4. This part is very important: don't always put treats on the burka. Pavlovian conditioning requires the possibility of no reward to instill the greatest conditioned response in the subject.

5. Take your dog for a walk.

I'm confident you will see a marked improvement in your dog's behavior.

589 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:46:41am

re: #587 galloping granny
thank you

590 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:46:51am

re: #578 sparrowlake

So are you suggesting that Americans should not vote for Obama?

If so, you're suggesting that Ford Perfect is racist!
/

591 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:46:59am

re: #571 maddogg
Well it's of course technically possible, but out of idle curiousity (cause I don't think a whole lot of polls in the first place and certainly not polls this far in advance of the elections) how did North Carolina do in the polls? There has been a tremendous amout of effort by the Dems to get new - almost entirely Black American - voters registered and fired up about this election!

592 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:47:54am

re: #578 sparrowlake

So are you suggesting that Americans should not vote for Obama?

I hope you are just missing a sarc tag on that one.

593 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:48:31am

re: #586 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Bart lifts kilt
"GASP!" from the crowd
"OCK!,it's nuthin'more an god gave me,ya puritan puke pansies!

594 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:49:14am

re: #430 Boondock St. Bender

1st day of school?,my kids don't start for about 3 weeks yet.

The Kid started on Monday. However, he gets close to three weeks for Christmas and several four-day weekends throughout the year.

595 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:49:35am

re: #591 realwest

Well it's of course technically possible, but out of idle curiousity (cause I don't think a whole lot of polls in the first place and certainly not polls this far in advance of the elections) how did North Carolina do in the polls? There has been a tremendous amout of effort by the Dems to get new - almost entirely Black American - voters registered and fired up about this election!

N.C. appears to be McCain by 4% so far.

596 lurking faith  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:51:14am

From the Business section of today's Washington Post, a column discussing the pipeline as one aspect of Russia's motives in attacking Georgia:
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

(I am rarely able to read Pearlstein's column without getting irritated at his leftist thought patterns, but once in a while he touches on something that makes sense.)

597 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:51:16am

re: #591 realwest

Speaking of fired up, I just fired off an e-mail in your direction. >_>

598 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:51:35am

re: #544 WriterMom

Wait-here it is: MUST READ!

Debra Burlingame "Dear Miranda".

Note: Ms. Burlingame, a former attorney and a director of the National September 11 Memorial Foundation, is the sister of Charles F. "Chic" Burlingame III, the pilot of American Airlines flight 77, which was crashed into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.

Here's the money quote:

Many legal experts contend that if the habeas lawyers succeed in attaining for detainees the same degree of procedural rights as those extended to ordinary criminal defendants in domestic cases, "lawyering up" would mean the end of terrorist questioning, not the beginning.

To understand the chilling effects of what she's talking about, I highly recommend Andrew McCarthy's book Willful Blindness. Extending Fifth and Sixth amendment rights to terrorists would mean the end of coercive interrogation techniques, and would put undercover operatives and their families in tremendous peril.

599 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:51:57am

re: #571 maddogg

I just spent the last hour looking at polls. It looks like Obama will not win a single southern state, based on polls that show him down as much as 21% in southern states, and down 13% in more democratic states such as Arkansas. I cannot see Obama winning the White House without any southern states.

You can almost smell the desperation. Last Saturday there was a letter to the editor in the Ark. Demi-Zette making the argument that us poor benighted Arkies could finally overcome the shame of '57 by voting for Obama, and thus purging forever the taint of racism.

Idjits. The taint of racism is the root of the Democratic party. Absent that, what do they have? Surrender to America's enemies? They might as well be French.

I'm off to take my good wife for a MRI. Wish her luck.

600 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:52:11am

re: #575 sparrowlake Well it IS the situation on the ground, but in realpolitik you're correct; though some would argue that that US's putting Georgia up for membership in NATO - and on a fast track, too - a couple of months ago (Germany - it figures - was the stumbling block) was sort of a defacto "alliance" with Georgia.

But yeah, the U.S. could, however ungraciously and however shamefully, back out of assisting Georgia on a legal basis, no two ways about that.

601 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:52:24am

re: #594 MandyManners

The Kid started on Monday. However, he gets close to three weeks for Christmas and several four-day weekends throughout the year.

And that is not a bad thing. One of the things that I find most problematic about American education is the 12 weeks off in the summer. Definitely not conducive to math education, which requires constant practice. It was a nice idea when teaching was a part time job that paid a part time wage and most teachers had to have a "summer" job to get through the year. These days, though, most teachers make as much or more than any one else in the communities they live in.

602 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:52:40am

re: #434 Ford_Prefect

Don't they understand that that is the problem that conservatives have with McCain? We need someone with strongly held core values that will lead people to understand they are right, not 'compromise' on important issues just to say that we got something passed, even if it isn't what should be passed.

I heard Sen. McCain on NPR's morning edition today. Renee Montagne did her best to put words in his mouth, tried to talk over him but, the senator ended up handing her her head on a plate in a courteous manner.

603 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:52:45am

Good morning.

Better Late Than Never Dept.: Georgia to leave alliance of ex-Soviet states

TBILISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Georgia's president said Tuesday his nation would withdraw from the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS), an alliance of former Soviet republics.

Mikheil Saakashvili told reporters his government made the move in consultation with parliament and that it would be a departure from links to the old Soviet Union.

That'll show 'em.

604 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:52:48am

re: #594 MandyManners

ahhh,i see,my guys get one week"winter recess"(used to be called cristmas vacation)and one week "spring break"(used to be called easter vacation)three weeks in dec./jan sounds pretty good!

605 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:52:53am

re: #592 Ford_Prefect

I hope you are just missing a sarc tag on that one.

Please feel free to treat all my one-line comments as such, unless otherwise advised.

606 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:53:24am

re: #599 razorbacker

Luck.

607 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:53:30am

re: #588 Kenneth

Hi there. I am concerned that you haven't sufficiently trained your beloved dog well enough. Therfore, I propose the following program:


I'm confident you will see a marked improvement in your dog's behavior.

Love. IT! :D

Considering some of the eggplants with eyeslits plodding around my neighborhood, that would be very entertaining.

Her favorite treat are cut up hotdogs - kosher ones, of course. :D

608 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:53:42am

re: #599 razorbacker

Good luck!

609 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:53:42am

re: #600 realwest

Well it IS the situation on the ground, but in realpolitik you're correct; though some would argue that that US's putting Georgia up for membership in NATO - and on a fast track, too - a couple of months ago (Germany - it figures - was the stumbling block) was sort of a defacto "alliance" with Georgia.

But yeah, the U.S. could, however ungraciously and however shamefully, back out of assisting Georgia on a legal basis, no two ways about that.

If we were completely willing to kiss our position in the world goodbye forever. Yes We Can!

610 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:54:41am

re: #602 MandyManners

I heard Sen. McCain on NPR's morning edition today. Renee Montagne did her best to put words in his mouth, tried to talk over him but, the senator ended up handing her her head on a plate in a courteous manner.

He is SO good at that. One of the things I most admire about him. Now if he would only pick Lynne Cheney as a running mate, as she is a past master of the art herself.

Sucks em right in every single time.

611 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:54:54am

re: #444 doriangrey

Have no worries Steve, Mandy is here to do the picking this morning.... ;P

After this morning's usual crap with The Kid, I'm too tired to pick on anyone.

612 akak  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:54:55am
Defense minister had called Kadima a "refugee camp," saying "Tzipora" Livni unfit to provide solutions "at 3 a.m. or 3 in the afternoon."


LOL

Livni will be to Israel what Obama will be to US.

613 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:54:58am

re: #577 Ford_Prefect
HEY! YEAH YOU! The most beautiful Miss Trixie and I have been carrying on like this for years - sigh unrequited love at it's worst - so none of this "for all" crap, ok?
Bad enough I gotta verbally fist fight with my good buddy Dustoff-057 over her, but if need be I'll take all y'all on - long as we confine it to the internet, I mean!

614 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:55:12am

re: #563 galloping granny

My hopes are the same but until elections theyremain only hopes. What matters a present is stopping Putin/the Mullah's and frankly I don't hear any plans to do so. Do you?

615 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:55:26am

re: #602 MandyManners

I heard Sen. McCain on NPR's morning edition today. Renee Montagne did her best to put words in his mouth, tried to talk over him but, the senator ended up handing her her head on a plate in a courteous manner.

He does have his moments. I just hope they outweigh his 'senior' moments of capitulation over the next four years. -fingers crossed.

616 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:56:26am

re: #451 Ford_Prefect

Michelle Malkin has an interesting commentary about the relationship between Pelosi and T. Boone Pickens here.


Small wonder that she won't allow the dig now proposal to come to a vote.

Isn't it illegal to promote your personal finances in this manner? If not illegal, it's fer shur unethical.

617 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:56:27am

re: #603 Occasional Reader

Good morning.


Better Late Than Never Dept.: Georgia to leave alliance of ex-Soviet states

That'll show 'em.


In Commonwealth of Independent States, alliance,... uh,... I can see why Yakov Smirnov changed his bit & moved to Branson.

618 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:57:00am

re: #584 willowone
Thank you willowone - if I suddenly disappear on y'all it's gonna be cause Bush started talking on Fox!

619 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:57:15am

re: #611 MandyManners

After this morning's usual crap with The Kid, I'm too tired to pick on anyone.

Give it time Mandy. I'm sure someone will set you off soon. :-)

620 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:57:20am

re: #574 galloping granny

Lincoln did.
;-)

Morning!

621 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:57:21am

re: #598 David Simon

I just found the celebration of his "poetry" so descpicable. Western elites are absolutely a fifth column in our civilization. They will never, ever get "mugged" by reality.

622 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:57:58am

re: #614 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

My hopes are the same but until elections theyremain only hopes. What matters a present is stopping Putin/the Mullah's and frankly I don't hear any plans to do so. Do you?

Nope, I sure don't. I'm waiting to hear what Bush has to say here shortly, but I sure don't see any solutions other than WWIII or Hasbeen looking at the map and available facts.

623 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:59:34am

re: #613 realwest

Sorry, Real. Sometimes the flirt in me just comes out without my seeing it coming.

624 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 6:59:45am

re: #595 maddogg Thanks a lot for that information!

625 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:00:18am

re: #616 MandyManners

Isn't it illegal to promote your personal finances in this manner? If not illegal, it's fer shur unethical.

Keep reading. You will get to that discussion.

626 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:01:13am

BHO couldn't find the time to appear at the town hall meeting with the troops but, he could find the time to read a book on Ellen Degeneres' show?

627 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:01:24am

re: #597 laZardo
Thanks, I'll get to it shortly, I assure you!

628 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:01:50am

re: #613 realwest

HEY! YEAH YOU! The most beautiful Miss Trixie and I have been carrying on like this for years - sigh unrequited love at it's worst - so none of this "for all" crap, ok?
Bad enough I gotta verbally fist fight with my good buddy Dustoff-057 over her, but if need be I'll take all y'all on - long as we confine it to the internet, I mean!

*smooch* Easy there, big fella. *smooch* Just because *smooch* some folks *smooch* don't unnerstand *smooch* unrequited *smooch* love *smooch* that doesn't give *smooch* a good reason *smooch* to jump all over them *smooch* like a monkey on a cupcake. *smooch* :D

Dustoff? That's a whole nother story ... :P

629 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:02:09am

re: #618 realwest

Thank you willowone - if I suddenly disappear on y'all it's gonna be cause Bush started talking on Fox!

HEY! Don't go away. Keep those of us that can't see it posted on what he says.

630 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:02:14am

re: #621 WriterMom

I just found the celebration of his "poetry" so descpicable. Western elites are absolutely a fifth column in our civilization. They will never, ever get "mugged" by reality.

Totally agree. It reminds me of the people who feted that illiterate piece of trash, Amiri Bara(c)ka, when he penned his insane "poetic" fantasy about the destruction of the World Trade Center.

631 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:02:51am

re: #626 MandyManners

gotta spend your valuable campaining time on those who WILL probably vote for you.
/

632 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:03:07am

Here's something about unethical financing:

Ralph Nader Almost Compromised in Toronto Visit.

Bwahahahhaa.

I was actually invited to this event-I don't know how they got to me...LOLOLOL

633 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:03:08am

re: #618 realwest understtod, and i hope it isn't as brief as last comments by him, and more meat that regualr people like me can understand

634 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:03:13am

re: #599 razorbacker
WHOA 'backer - best of luck to your wife with the MRI - hope they don't suspect anything serious, just sort of an additonal check (you know, to head off those damn ambulance chasing lawyer's malpractice suits!).

635 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:03:35am

PK,

There ain't gonna be a US military intervention in Georgia.

And thank goodness for that. Folks, the U.S. and NATO didn't storm into Budapest in 1956, Prague in 1968, or Warsaw in 1980 and guess what?

We still won the Cold War.

636 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:03:48am

re: #600 realwest

Well it IS the situation on the ground, but in realpolitik you're correct; though some would argue that that US's putting Georgia up for membership in NATO - and on a fast track, too - a couple of months ago (Germany - it figures - was the stumbling block) was sort of a defacto "alliance" with Georgia.

But yeah, the U.S. could, however ungraciously and however shamefully, back out of assisting Georgia on a legal basis, no two ways about that.

Woefully, that is correct.
BTW, has Georgia requested direct US military intervention?

637 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:03:56am

re: #617 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In Commonwealth of Independent States, alliance,... uh,... I can see why Yakov Smirnov changed his bit & moved to Branson.

In other news, Paul Castellano announced his withdrawal from the Gambino family, following a delicious dinner at Sparks Steakhouse.

638 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:04:19am

re: #615 Ford_Prefect

He does have his moments. I just hope they outweigh his 'senior' moments of capitulation over the next four years. -fingers crossed.

I saw a video of a speech McCain made recently a couple of days ago. I don't remember which one or I would give you the link. At any rate, it was a fairly long video and towards the end John started talking about how much he loves this country and how he has always and always will done his best to defend her and will until his dying breath. This venerable warrior had a tear or two glistening in his eyes as he came to the end of the speech.

Contrast that with the crap you hear out of Obama's mouth and the mouth of his wife. And then tell me who you would trust with our nation?

The man who will defend it with his dying breath, even if he is 72 (my Dad was still riding a Gold Wing cross country at 72 - and 78 for that matter.) Or the "young dude" with no experience at anything who thinks we are just downright mean and wants to "heal our souls."?

639 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:04:22am

re: #601 galloping granny

And that is not a bad thing. One of the things that I find most problematic about American education is the 12 weeks off in the summer. Definitely not conducive to math education, which requires constant practice. It was a nice idea when teaching was a part time job that paid a part time wage and most teachers had to have a "summer" job to get through the year. These days, though, most teachers make as much or more than any one else in the communities they live in.

I looked through his science book yesterday, and he'll start learning about hypotheses, theories and the like soon! They experimented with vinegar and baking soda yesterday, and insterted pencils into water-filled baggies. He's loving it. He's already asked if he'll learn how to make a bomb.

640 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:04:34am

re: #631 Boondock St. Bender

gotta spend your valuable campaining time on those who WILL probably vote for you.
/

Hollywood celebrities, gays & the unemployable who watch daytime TV all day long - Barry's got a lock on those constituents!

641 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:04:42am

re: #630 David Simon

Agree with you completely. We seem to have some kind of funky Jewlepathy happening....(this can happen regardless if you are Jewish or not).

642 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:15am
643 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:16am

re: #604 Boondock St. Bender

ahhh,i see,my guys get one week"winter recess"(used to be called cristmas vacation)and one week "spring break"(used to be called easter vacation)three weeks in dec./jan sounds pretty good!

IIRC, he also gets a Fall break, a Winter break in February and a Spring break in April.

644 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:25am

Good morning all. It's cloudy and 80 degrees at the beach today.

645 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:35am
646 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:44am

re: #635 Dirk Diggler

PK,


And thank goodness for that. Folks, the U.S. and NATO didn't storm into Budapest in 1956, Prague in 1968, or Warsaw in 1980 and guess what?

We still won the Cold War.

Wuss.

647 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:54am

re: #630 David Simon

buncha racists got him kicked out of his poet laureate thingy.censorship!how dare people resond to his non-sense using their freedom of speech.

648 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:05:54am

re: #635 Dirk Diggler

PK,

And thank goodness for that. Folks, the U.S. and NATO didn't storm into Budapest in 1956, Prague in 1968, or Warsaw in 1980 and guess what?

We still won the Cold War.

There is nothing 'cold' about what is going on in Georgia right now.

649 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:06:17am

re: #635 Dirk Diggler

DD, that is true, but there was a philosophical and moral opposition to communism from the get go.

650 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:06:27am

BTW - Fox just announced Bush will give a speech in less than an hour from now!

651 NYC_Mike  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:06:50am

I know - it's no longer overnight, but I just saw this.
But honestly, it's THIS what they've been really looking to do
all along?

- thanks for listening

652 vxbush  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:07:22am

[JamesTKirk voice]

Too.....much.....work......not.....enough....time. ....

So I'll waste what precious time I have at LGF! Morning, folks. Or afternoon or evening, depending upon your time zone and circadian rhythm.

653 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:07:27am

re: #628 Miss Trixie

Get a room you two!

654 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:07:28am

re: #642 ploome hineni

No-but a different slimy "Palestinian" "national poet" just went to see Allah.

655 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:07:46am

re: #610 galloping granny

He is SO good at that. One of the things I most admire about him. Now if he would only pick Lynne Cheney as a running mate, as she is a past master of the art herself.

Sucks em right in every single time.

Montagne tried to get him to agree that he was going negative but, Sen. McCain wouldn't go there. She said something about the Paris Hilton ad and the senator came right back with "if they cannot see the humor in that ad, they need to walk away from the computer, go outside and get some fresh air."

656 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:08:06am

re: #653 Kenneth

You're just jealous.

657 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:08:21am

re: #639 MandyManners

and he'll start learning about hypotheses, theories and the like soon!

Make sure you point out to him that in science, a theory is "just a theory", and no one theory is better than any other.

/

658 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:08:28am
One of two separatists areas trying to leave Georgia for Russia, Abkhazia lies close to the heart of many Russians. It's Black Sea coast was a favorite vacation spot for the Soviet elite, and the province is just down the coast from Sochi, the Russian resort that will host the 2014 Olympics.

Fox News Link

A threat to pull the Games from Sochi might make the Russians at least notice the diplomatic community.

Does anyone have a list of MIL-BLOG links that are following this closely?

659 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:08:29am

re: #615 Ford_Prefect

He does have his moments. I just hope they outweigh his 'senior' moments of capitulation over the next four years. -fingers crossed.

Politics is a game of give and take.

660 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:08:34am

Good morning, RW. Hope all is well for you today my friend. Fox just announced that GW would speak within the hour. I also here that Russian tanks are 12 miles outside the Georgian capital.

Dorin...sorry I'm late with your coffee. Hooiser asked me to set you up for the next three mornings since he will be away.

661 lori lane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:08:44am

re: #650 realwest

BTW - Fox just announced Bush will give a speech in less than an hour from now!

Ruh roh.

Hi {Realwest}. Hope you're having a great morning!

662 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:09:04am

re: #619 Ford_Prefect

Give it time Mandy. I'm sure someone will set you off soon. :-)

Probably. I've adjusted my caffeine IV drip.

663 vxbush  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:09:49am

re: #662 MandyManners

Probably. I've adjusted my caffeine IV drip.

I'm more jealous of the IV drip....

664 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:09:52am

re: #660 jorline

Good morning, RW. Hope all is well for you today my friend. Fox just announced that GW would speak within the hour. I also here hear that Russian tanks are 12 miles outside the Georgian capital.

Dorin...sorry I'm late with your coffee. Hooiser asked me to set you up for the next three mornings since he will be away.

fixed...starting the morning right...lol

665 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:10:01am

OR,

Wuss.

I'm just not in any hurry to be vaporized. This doesn't look fun to me.

666 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:10:19am

re: #648 Ford_Prefect

There is nothing 'cold' about what is going on in Georgia right now.

There was nothing cold about Hungary 1956 or Prague 1968, either. But now as then, there are realistic limits to what we can do and expect.

667 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:10:32am

re: #658 de La Valette

This blog has a good round-up of news service reports and additional analysis.

668 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:10:34am

re: #622 galloping granny

Nope, I sure don't. I'm waiting to hear what Bush has to say here shortly, but I sure don't see any solutions other than WWIII or Hasbeen looking at the map and available facts.

Two possibilities I heard on FNC this morning: Kick 'em out of G-8, and cancel the joint NATO/Russian training.

669 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:10:38am

re: #641 WriterMom

Agree with you completely. We seem to have some kind of funky Jewlepathy happening....(this can happen regardless if you are Jewish or not).

lol, you're right. In the bluer than blue city of Chicago, it's rare to meet a fellow conservative, let alone a fellow Jewish conservative. Thank G-d for the internet.

670 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:10:58am

re: #648 Ford_Prefect

There is nothing 'cold' about what is going on in Georgia right now.

The "cold" war wasn't all that cold either. Anyone who was ever stationed in West Germany can speak to you of an unrecognizes, low level shooting war that went on cross border off and on for years.

671 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:11:16am

re: #632 WriterMom

wow forth time running for president.he's almost up there with lyndon larouch!(laroach...whatever...)

672 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:11:21am

re: #649 WriterMom

DD, that is true, but there was a philosophical and moral opposition to communism from the get go.

Speak for yourself. I always thought communism was totally groovy. And so did Dirk.

673 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:11:22am

re: #625 Ford_Prefect

Keep reading. You will get to that discussion.

Well, I reckon she needs to make up for the piss-poor sales of her book.

674 vxbush  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:11:34am

re: #671 Boondock St. Bender

wow forth time running for president.he's almost up there with lyndon larouch!(laroach...whatever...)

Too easy to make the joke LaRoach.

675 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:14am

re: #631 Boondock St. Bender

gotta spend your valuable campaining time on those who WILL probably vote for you.
/

Also, the Degeneres appearance was SCRIPTED.

676 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:17am

re: #659 MandyManners

Politics is a game of give and take.

To some extent, yes. But it seems to me that the right has doing far too much giving and not enough taking in recent years. That needs to stop.

677 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:19am

re: #669 David Simon

The internet-how do I love thee...let me count the ways. LOL.

678 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:25am

re: #635 Dirk Diggler

I agree, but I could see us flying Poles into Tbilisi and moving a carrier group into the Black Sea.

Anyone have a good idea on the fuel endurance of that Russian fleet and where they might refuel? That time horizon (or the end of the Olympics) may define Russia's schedule in this little war.

679 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:34am

re: #635 Dirk Diggler
Hey Dirk! You're right when you say that the US didn't storm into "Budapest in 1956, Prague in 1968, or Warsaw in 1980". Course in those years they weren't our allies, weren't duly elected and functioning democracies and we didn't have the military (non-nuclear) option to do anything about it.
Today of course, Warsaw is gonna let us install our anti-ballistic missile system in Poland, Czechoslovakia is gonna let us install the radar for the same ABM system in it's country and Hungary isn't hungering to be put back under the Soviet Jackboot.
And we do have miliary (non-nuke) options we COULD persue if needs be.

680 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:40am

re: #670 galloping granny

The
"cold" war wasn't all that cold either. Anyone who was ever stationed
in West Germany can speak to you of an unrecognizes, low level shooting
war that went on cross border off and on for years.

Not to mention the Korean DMZ.

681 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:12:50am

re: #642 ploome hineni

where did that slimeball go?

/has he deceaseded?

Good question. No news is good news, I guess.

682 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:13:21am

re: #679 realwest

I thought the Poles and the Czechs were opposed to the missile shield idea...mainly because it would have made them the equivalent of meat shields for the more "precious" Western Europe.

683 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:13:33am

re: #655 MandyManners

To obama to dare to critisize him is being negative.

684 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:13:43am

re: #678 de La Valette

Anyone
have a good idea on the fuel endurance of that Russian fleet and where
they might refuel? That time horizon (or the end of the Olympics) may
define Russia's schedule in this little war.

I've heard their vodka supplies are running a bit low. Oh, you didn't mean that type of Russian fuel!

685 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:13:55am

re: #667 Kenneth

Thank you, one of my favorites - just thought they were more academic and did not look there.

686 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:14:12am

re: #657 Occasional Reader

Make sure you point out to him that in science, a theory is "just a theory", and no one theory is better than any other.

/

No future in the ID movement for him!

687 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:14:46am

re: #663 vxbush

I'm more jealous of the IV drip....

It's a bitch to find my own vein.

688 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:14:51am

re: #672 Occasional Reader

I know, you and Dirk are such commie comrades. I used to have a sneaking suspicion that you went to all those lefty demonstrations just because those activist chicks were more desperate to get laid-but I know you are truly commited to building a real workers paradise on earth, and to getting back at The Man.

689 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:15:00am
690 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:15:09am

re: #651 NYC_Mike

I know - it's no longer overnight, but I just saw this.
But honestly, it's THIS what they've been really looking to do
all along?

- thanks for listening

Yes, of course shutting up the bloggers is what that "Fairness Doctrine" is all about. Didn't you realize that? Leaving us with only the "officially approved" fairness of the New York Slimes and others. Anything off the approved message would result in charges of unfairness, which even if they were overturned would bankrupt the offender first.

691 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:15:12am

re: #643 MandyManners
Good morning Mandy! "IIRC, he his teachers also gets a Fall break, a Winter break in February and a Spring break in April."
There, fixed that for ya!

692 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:15:38am

re: #684 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

In some cases it is the same stuff. Not sure what it's harder on -- men or machines.

693 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:15:50am

re: #644 jorline Good morning jorline! How's your eye doing this morning?

694 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:15:59am
695 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:10am

re: #642 ploome hineni

where did that slimeball go?

/has he deceaseded?

isn't his real name something like leroy jones?
the way these assh*les try to gain some advantage by going native w/ their handles is weird.
i heard him read that 9-ll rant. i laughed all the way thru it. really.
he was so into his spew it was comical to me. i have the signed 'chap book'.
also, remember when n.j. asked him to step down from his exalted literary position of poet laureate of the state. and he said, i ain't goin' nowhere. where's my money.
he is a farce. he is not a poet.

696 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:27am

re: #685 de La Valette

The members discussion pages have many, many comments on the situation, Buried in there are some interesting observations.

697 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:31am

re: #666 Occasional Reader

There was nothing cold about Hungary 1956 or Prague 1968, either. But now as then, there are realistic limits to what we can do and expect.

Yes, but I would say that there is a big difference b/w the Soviet Union of then and the Russia of now. We are the world's only true superpower left and we need to make sure that stays that way. If we don't put our foot down here, what stops them from continuing in this aggressiveness?

698 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:32am

re: #684 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've heard their vodka supplies are running a bit low. Oh, you didn't mean that type of Russian fuel!

No vodka, no like to fight.

699 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:33am

HAHAHHAHAHA

I crack myself up.

700 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:43am

re: #658 de La Valette

you can try "strategy page"they usually cover conflicts fairly well.

701 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:16:49am

re: #676 Ford_Prefect

To some extent, yes. But it seems to me that the right has doing far too much giving and not enough taking in recent years. That needs to stop.

That's why all conservatives should swallow whatever bile they might have and VOTE MCCAIN!

702 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:17:33am

re: #653 Kenneth
GRRRR! Stay out of it - y'all don't have to watch, you know?!
;')

703 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:17:41am

re: #683 Boondock St. Bender

To obama to dare to critisize him is being negative.

Yeah, well, BHO can kiss my ass.

704 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:18:12am

re: #680 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Not to mention the Korean DMZ.

People always knew about the DMZ though. Germany was a whole different story.

705 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:18:13am

re: #668 MandyManners

Two possibilities I heard on FNC this morning: Kick 'em out of G-8, and cancel the joint NATO/Russian training.

I do hope that at the VERY least we do that.

706 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:18:14am

good morning everyone.

707 Ms. Missive  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:18:50am

re: #706 nyc redneck

good morning everyone.

boker tov!

708 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:01am
709 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:23am

re: #693 realwest

Good morning jorline! How's your eye doing this morning?

Better today...thank you. I have a scheduled appointment with the doc on Monday. Until then I'll be a good boy and keep taking my meds.

How's that tooth RW? Your getting closer to your appointment as well...right?

710 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:27am

re: #661 lori lane Hi there {lori lane} - I'm doing ok this morning, but have a BAD feeling that Bush's speech is gonna change all that!

711 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:40am

i was thinking how NOT READY B.O. IS TO BE POTUS.
poootin would love to crumple him like an empty pack of cigs.

712 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:43am

Writermom,

I know, you and Dirk are such commie comrades. I used to have a sneaking suspicion that you went to all those lefty demonstrations just because those activist chicks were more desperate to get laid-but I know you are truly commited to building a real workers paradise on earth, and to getting back at The Man.

Power to the people! (Raises fist)

713 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:55am

re: #696 Kenneth

In there now, many friends there. They should move some of this to AKO.

714 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:19:58am

re: #695 nyc redneck

Here's his web site. "POET ACTIVIST".

Ga.

715 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:20:28am

re: #691 realwest

Good morning Mandy! "IIRC, he his teachers also gets a Fall break, a Winter break in February and a Spring break in April."
There, fixed that for ya!

Most teachers come in during the breaks but, I don't begrudge them the time off. They work at least eight hours/day, and take home papers to grade. And, they're not dealing with adults all the time--they're dealing with little bundles of energy. It must be very trying and tiring.

716 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:20:41am

re: #707 Ms. Missive

boker tov!

hey Ms. Missive.

717 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:21:07am

re: #701 MandyManners

That's why all conservatives should swallow whatever bile they might have and VOTE MCCAIN!

Agreed. Just wish I could be happier about it.

718 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:21:42am

re: #678 de La Valette

I agree, but I could see us flying Poles into Tbilisi and moving a carrier group into the Black Sea.

Anyone have a good idea on the fuel endurance of that Russian fleet and where they might refuel? That time horizon (or the end of the Olympics) may define Russia's schedule in this little war.

I believe that I heard a report a few months back that Russia either had just or was in the process of completeing and agreement with Syria for a Med port.

719 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:21:55am

re: #694 cutestguy

The US Navy said today there is no way they will continue. I'm looking for the link to that. It has something to do with Vladivostok being used as a secondary staging area in the war games.

What kind of game can you have without the USN?

BTW, do you know what became of Ukraine's refusal to let Russian ships engaged in the war dock at their ports?

720 lori lane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:01am

re: #710 realwest

Hi there {lori lane} - I'm doing ok this morning, but have a BAD feeling that Bush's speech is gonna change all that!

Hmmm. I've been reading along the past couple of days so I think I know your stance on it all. Should be an interesting speech. Wonder if it's a press conf. as well.

721 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:01am

re: #702 realwest

GRRRR! Stay out of it - y'all don't have to watch, you know?!
;')

It's kind of like a traffic accident, though. You don't want to look, but you just have to.

722 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:12am

re: #689 ploome hineni

I can highly recommend Gozo for a vacation, if you need one.

723 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:15am
724 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:40am

re: #682 laZardo Nope, last I heard they were negotiating for better economic terms for themselves - ah capitalism, or how are ya gonna keep 'em down on the farm, after they've seen New York?!

725 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #705 Occasional Reader

I do hope that at the VERY least we do that.

What else could/should we do?

726 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:22:44am

re: #711 nyc redneck

i was thinking how NOT READY B.O. IS TO BE POTUS.
poootin would love to crumple him like an empty pack of cigs.

Putin would not need to crumple him. Obama is a Marxist of the same ilk as Putin. We would find ourselves part of the greater USSR before you could say boo.

727 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:23:09am

re: #709 jorline

Jorline....been meaning to ask, what part of the great state of Texas are you living?

728 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:23:10am

re: #723 Ben Hur

They can take their Seetheopolooza and shove it.
Boker Tov :)

729 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:23:27am

The Georgia.net site is still down.

[Link: www.aboutgeorgia.net...]

730 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:24:38am

re: #697 Ford_Prefect

If we don't put our foot down here, what stops them from continuing in this aggressiveness?

Draw the line of course at NATO countries and others (e.g. Israel) with whom we have formal military alliances.

It's a hard thing to say, but I just don't see Georgia as being vital enough to our strategic interests to go to war with Russia over it. Life sucks sometimes, but there it is.

731 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:24:43am

Hey all y'all - toin up dem speakers - this here is Putin's new "theme song": [Link: www.imeem.com...]

732 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:24:55am

re: #717 Ford_Prefect

Agreed. Just wish I could be happier about it.

I have nothing against Sen. McCain and, with the surety of how fucked up America would be under BHO, I'm positively giddy.

733 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:24:57am

re: #714 WriterMom

Here's his web site. "POET ACTIVIST".

Ga.

From your link:

He has taught at Yale, Columbia, and the State University of New York at Stony Brook.

I can't take it anymore.

734 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:25:09am

re: #727 Big Steve

Jorline....been meaning to ask, what part of the great state of Texas are you living?

Corpus Christi...you're in Houston, correct?

735 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:25:38am

re: #714 WriterMom

Here's his web site. "POET ACTIVIST".

Ga.

he is a suck up little creep. it is amazing how so many angry expectant losers think they can be poets and actually get up and annoy people w/ their ridiculous crap. tho they get a crowd sometimes, it is only other bad "poets", anxiously awaiting their turn to spew. they each think they are more profound and relevant than any other grousing wretch on the line up.

736 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:25:44am

re: #715 MandyManners

Most teachers come in during the breaks but, I don't begrudge them the time off. They work at least eight hours/day, and take home papers to grade. And, they're not dealing with adults all the time--they're dealing with little bundles of energy. It must be very trying and tiring.

I only begrudge them the time when they whine about how much more difficult and time consuming their job is than anyone else's. Patently untrue in the first place. Those who don't like children or don't deal well with them should perhaps run a supermarket checkout or sell real estate rather than presume to teach.

Personally, I would rather deal with 30 kids all day than 30 adults. Hands down.

737 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:26:11am

re: #718 galloping granny

Unfortunately for them, that is on the other side of the Bosphorus. I can't recall ever seeing the Russian fleet practicing underway fuel replenishment.

738 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:26:26am

re: #723 Ben Hur

shoulda kicked the fuckers out when they took jerusalem.(sop for whoever controled the city for thousands of years.what would they do hate the jews more?)

739 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:27:32am

re: #715 MandyManners

Most teachers come in during the breaks but, I don't begrudge them the time off. They work at least eight hours/day, and take home papers to grade. And, they're not dealing with adults all the time--they're dealing with little bundles of energy. It must be very trying and tiring.

My mother taught 7th grade math for years, and I can recall her grading papers almost every night, plus attending conferences, etc., required by the school district. Plus the administrative politics, parents, etc., and the "open house" events.

740 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:27:53am

re: #726 galloping granny

Putin would not need to crumple him. Obama is a Marxist of the same ilk as Putin. We would find ourselves part of the greater USSR before you could say boo.

obama will be crumpled by putin just because he can. b.o. will be owned.
putin is that kind of guy.

741 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:27:55am

This totally surreal... a CNN reporter is giving a report live from Georgia on the fighting, with a Russian soldier standing beside the reporter the whole time. The Russian interrupts the reporter several times to direct how the questions should be answered, and at one point, with an AK slung over his shoulder says, "Russia does not want war."

(click the "Live" bar at the top of the page)

742 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:27:56am

re: #697 Ford_Prefect

Yes, but I would say that there is a big difference b/w the Soviet Union of then and the Russia of now. We are the world's only true superpower left and we need to make sure that stays that way. If we don't put our foot down here, what stops them from continuing in this aggressiveness?

Didn't you ever learn that the guy in second place always tries harder than the one resting on his laurels in first?

See the story of the Tortoise and the Hare. :)

743 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:04am

re: #735 nyc redneck

Oy don't get me started on the "Spoken Word" FREAKS. If I read one more article on a "celebrated" "spoken word" artist I am gonna HURL ALL OVER THE INTERTUBES.

What happened to real poetry? The crap that passes as poetry nowadays is pretty much the exclusive domain of moonbat rabble rouser losers with stinky fumes radiating from their 'vintage' clothes.

744 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:05am

re: #725 MandyManners

What else could/should we do?

Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark.

/well, no, not really advocating that

745 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:17am
746 laZardo  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:20am

re: #724 realwest

How indeed...

/gamer-branded cynicism.

747 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:22am

re: #736 galloping granny

I only begrudge them the time when they whine about how much more difficult and time consuming their job is than anyone else's. Patently untrue in the first place. Those who don't like children or don't deal well with them should perhaps run a supermarket checkout or sell real estate rather than presume to teach.

Personally, I would rather deal with 30 kids all day than 30 adults. Hands down.

I've never heard a teacher bitch about the job but, I'm sure they exist, just like I heard co-workers in retail bitch about customers.

748 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:44am

re: #734 jorline

Yes.....well work in Houston (downtown) but live in Galveston County. Corpus is my favorite Texas city. You can close someone's eyes and drop them in just about any Texas city and it about looks the same, except Corpus where parts actually remind me of the Riviera.

749 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:28:53am

re: #706 nyc redneck
Good morning to you, too! Hope you're doing well today!

750 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:29:03am

re: #730 Occasional Reader

Draw the line of course at NATO countries and others (e.g. Israel) with whom we have formal military alliances.

It's a hard thing to say, but I just don't see Georgia as being vital enough to our strategic interests to go to war with Russia over it. Life sucks sometimes, but there it is.

Is that all that matters? What is best for us? I thought freedom was something worth fighting for everywhere. Our Declaration states the belief that

all

men are endowed with certain rights, not just US citizens. I consider it our responsibility to help fellow democracies survive. No need for a formal treaty IMO.

751 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:29:24am

re: #721 Ford_Prefect

It's kind of like a traffic accident, though. You don't want to look, but you just have to.

"like a monkey on a cupcake"?

I have yet to see a "Rotating Title nominee" make it, but that one belongs!

752 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:29:37am

re: #733 David Simon

There there...it's gonna be OK.

This will make you feel better!

753 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:29:48am

re: #711 nyc redneck

i was thinking how NOT READY B.O. IS TO BE POTUS.
poootin would love to crumple him like an empty pack of cigs.

The same way he seems to be crumplimg Dubya these days?
BTW, have you noticed how B.O. always seems to try to put his arm around anyone famous he greets publicly? I have this vision of him trying this with Putin and having his overreaching familiar embrace unceremoniously rejected.

754 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:29:48am

re: #739 OldLineTexan

My mother taught 7th grade math for years, and I can recall her grading papers almost every night, plus attending conferences, etc., required by the school district. Plus the administrative politics, parents, etc., and the "open house" events.

Oh, the politics! Private schools have them, too but, not to the extent of public schools.

755 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:30:22am

re: #709 jorline Yep, the 27th is when the REAL PAIN starts - right now as long as I don't chew on it or grind my teeth it's bearable!
Good luck with that eye!

756 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:30:37am

re: #751 OldLineTexan

Monkey cupcakes?

757 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:30:38am

re: #743 WriterMom

What happened to real poetry? The crap that passes as poetry nowadays is pretty much the exclusive domain of moonbat rabble rouser losers with stinky fumes radiating from their 'vintage' clothes.

If that's not upding worthy, nothing is.

758 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:31:00am

Sounds like the Russian treaty is worth the paper it's written on. They're marching on toward Tbilisi. Story here.

An AP reporter saw several dozen Russian military trucks and armored vehicles speeding out of Gori and heading south, further from the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

Soldiers waved at journalists and one soldier shouted to a photographer takning shots of the convoy: "Come with us, beauty, we're going to Tbilisi." Gori is about a 90-minute drive from the Georgian capital.

759 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:31:30am

re: #744 Occasional Reader

Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark.

/well, no, not really advocating that

That's why we must elect BHO. Every nuclear nation will lay down their nukes and we'll all fart roses as we ride on our unicorns.

760 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:31:38am

re: #743 WriterMom

Oy don't get me started on the "Spoken Word" FREAKS. If I read one more article on a "celebrated" "spoken word" artist I am gonna HURL ALL OVER THE INTERTUBES.

What happened to real poetry? The crap that passes as poetry nowadays is pretty much the exclusive domain of moonbat rabble rouser losers with stinky fumes radiating from their 'vintage' clothes.

LOL
i so agree. it is amazing that a niche has been carved out to allow this kind of bs to pass as poetry.

761 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:31:41am

re: #753 sparrowlake

I haven't seen dubya crumple yet.

762 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:31:57am

re: #743 WriterMom

Oy
don't get me started on the "Spoken Word" FREAKS. If I read one more
article on a "celebrated" "spoken word" artist I am gonna HURL ALL OVER
THE INTERTUBES.

What happened to real poetry? The crap that
passes as poetry nowadays is pretty much the exclusive domain of
moonbat rabble rouser losers with stinky fumes radiating from their
'vintage' clothes.

You want good, real poetry, written by still living people? Try The New Criterion, a conservative review of the arts & letters.

763 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:31:59am

re: #756 WriterMom

Monkey cupcakes?

Ah! Monkey Cupcakes (in best Homer Simpson imitation)

764 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:32:09am

re: #745 cutestguy

I think Putin is either going to cut off a pipeline or send his troops to the Ukrainian border in a show of force.

Things are getting 'interesting' over there to be sure...

I think he's done enough to get his point across.

765 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:32:28am

re: #741 Kenneth

This totally surreal... a CNN reporter is giving a report live from Georgia on the fighting, with a Russian soldier standing beside the reporter the whole time. The Russian interrupts the reporter several times to direct how the questions should be answered, and at one point, with an AK slung over his shoulder says, "Russia does not want war."

(click the "Live" bar at the top of the page)

Now that's the Russia I use to know.

766 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:32:38am

re: #750 Ford_Prefect

Is that all that matters? What is best for us? I thought freedom was something worth fighting for everywhere.

Are you ready to go to war simultaneously in North Korea, Burma, Vietnam, PRC, Venezuela, Iran, most of Africa... etc. etc. etc.?

767 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:32:48am

re: #715 MandyManners
Hey, I taught Graduate Students and it was very trying and tiring. Course we didn't have a union, so we didn't get those "holidays" as paid holidays they were just unpaid time off!
But you're right - GOOD teachers work their rear ends off; too bad there aren't more of them.

768 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:33:00am

re: #759 MandyManners

fart roses'?them things got thorns!

769 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:33:07am

re: #762 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Thanks-bookmarked.

770 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:33:20am

re: #743 WriterMom

I'm guessing you're not going to appreciate this poem, then.

771 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:33:27am

re: #743 WriterMom

Oy don't get me started on the "Spoken Word" FREAKS. If I read one more article on a "celebrated" "spoken word" artist I am gonna HURL ALL OVER THE INTERTUBES.

What happened to real poetry? The crap that passes as poetry nowadays is pretty much the exclusive domain of moonbat rabble rouser losers with stinky fumes radiating from their 'vintage' clothes.

There was a young man named Dave....

772 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:33:36am

Writermom,

What happened to real poetry?

It's alive and well thank you.

"Jean, Jean made a machine...
Jo, Jo made it go...
Art, Art ripped a fart...
And blew the whole damn thing apart..."
773 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:05am
774 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:13am

re: #668 MandyManners

Two possibilities I heard on FNC this morning: Kick 'em out of G-8, and cancel the joint NATO/Russian training.

Since the rooskies have broken a cease-fire agreement, they should be told they honor their agreement, or we will consider all agreements with them null and void. They should be thrown out of ALL international organizations. If the UN doesn't suspend them, then we throw out the UN.
Also, this means all contracts to buy anything from Russia are canceled for all US companies.
If we could just get the rest of the world, at least the free world, to tell them that breaking one agreement means they cannot be trusted, so no further commercial dealings can be allowed, including oil purchases, they might have to listen.

775 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:32am

re: #741 Kenneth

This totally surreal... a CNN reporter is giving a report live from Georgia on the fighting, with a Russian soldier peacekeeper standing beside the reporter the whole time.

You have been corrected and warned, comrade.

776 vxbush  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:39am

Real poetry requires time for reflectiona and consideration, something our culture does not recommend.

777 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:41am

re: #770 Kenneth

"You had me at 'Ahalan'..."

*spew*

778 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:53am

re: #749 realwest

Good morning to you, too! Hope you're doing well today!

hey {real} i'm good this morning. tired. i didn't use the hammer yesterday. i was working the planer to get the window jams ready. i'm thinking we may get this "barn" finished this summer.
how are you doing? :)

779 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:55am

re: #767 realwest

Hey, I taught Graduate Students and it was very trying and tiring. Course we didn't have a union, so we didn't get those "holidays" as paid holidays they were just unpaid time off!
But you're right - GOOD teachers work their rear ends off; too bad there aren't more of them.

I'd rather teach pre-K than grad students.

780 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:34:56am

re: #765 jorline

can't forget the soldiers behind camera with their guns trained on the reporter.

781 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:35:12am

re: #771 MandyManners

Who needed a serious shave....

782 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:35:23am

re: #768 Boondock St. Bender

fart roses'?them things got thorns!

But, those thorns won't hurt!

783 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:35:39am

re: #680 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

i was a army brat and we were stationed in Schwienfurt in 1956 when the hungarian revolt started the M.P'S came to our part of the base and said we (dependents) had 15 mins to pack one bag and get on the M.P. bus and go to Bremerhaven were we waited for a month and were then sent back to Schwienfurt.

784 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:35:43am

re: #759 MandyManners

That's why we must elect BHO. Every nuclear nation will lay down their nukes and we'll all fart roses as we ride on our unicorns.

Those thorns are gonna hurt.

785 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:35:49am

re: #772 Dirk Diggler

/I am not worthy, I am not worthy

All Hail the Poet Laureate of LGF!

786 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:36:03am

re: #773 cutestguy

And it will be party time in the chocolate city!

With marmelade skies?

787 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:36:36am

re: #776 vxbush

Real poetry requires time for reflectiona and consideration, something our culture does not recommend.

Opium helps, too.

788 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:36:49am

re: #774 Kosh's Shadow

Since the rooskies have broken a cease-fire agreement, they should be told they honor their agreement, or we will consider all agreements with them null and void. They should be thrown out of ALL international organizations. If the UN doesn't suspend them, then we throw out the UN.
Also, this means all contracts to buy anything from Russia are canceled for all US companies.
If we could just get the rest of the world, at least the free world, to tell them that breaking one agreement means they cannot be trusted, so no further commercial dealings can be allowed, including oil purchases, they might have to listen.

The EU would flat-out refuse.

789 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:36:49am

Have you all discussed this whopper blaming McCain for Russia's actions by O adviser Susan Rice?

"...On Hardball last night, Obama advisor Susan Rice voiced the strongest version I've heard of the criticism of McCain's rapid condemnation of Russia Thursday.

"John McCain shot from the hip, [with a] very aggressive, very belligerent statement," she said. "He may or may not have complicated the situation."

McCain's first statement was dramatically different from the White House's, Obama's, and the Western Europeans, all of whom were urging calm, and all of whom shifted to condemning Russia only after it emerged that that was futile. (Indeed, Obama moved toward McCain's statement just a couple of hours later.) I haven't seen it suggested, however, that the Russian push past the disputed regions was in response to McCain.
..."

[Link: www.politico.com...]

790 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:37:08am

re: #777 WriterMom

I don't know what he was saying, but I'll wager he wasn't talking about the "moon in June"... or "my love is like a red, red rose"

791 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:37:22am

re: #750 Ford_Prefect



Is that all that matters? What is best for us? I thought freedom was something worth fighting for everywhere. Our Declaration states the belief that

all

men are endowed with certain rights, not just US citizens. I consider it our responsibility to help fellow democracies survive. No need for a formal treaty IMO.

Sadly sometimes, but yes, our self-interest is what matters most. Our Founding Fathers, who wrote the Declaration, didn't set about to free all the oppressed people in the world, just Americans. The French, after their revolution, set about a world crusade for libertie, fraternite et elgalite & look how that turned out. Our Constitution, which is the law of the land, not the Declaration, charges the goverment to provide for our defense, not the defense of all good & freedom loving people. It's a hard world out there & sometimes you have to make the least worst choice available.

792 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:37:30am

re: #781 WriterMom

Who needed a serious shave....

Uhhhhhhhh.... Not the line I was expecting.

793 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:37:40am

re: #752 WriterMom

There there...it's gonna be OK.

This will make you feel better!

Ah, now I feel better. :->

794 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:37:48am

re: #766 Occasional Reader

Are you ready to go to war simultaneously in North Korea, Burma, Vietnam, PRC, Venezuela, Iran, most of Africa... etc. etc. etc.?

Honestly, I don't think it would come to that. I think this bully would back down in a hurry if we stop him now. If we let him get a head of steam going then we have a real big problem.

795 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:37:51am

re: #787 Occasional Reader

"no junk,no soul"
brian,family guy

796 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:38:14am

re: #784 Ford_Prefect

Those thorns are gonna hurt.

Thorns will be outlawed under a BHO regime.

797 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:38:14am

re: #748 Big Steve

Yes.....well work in Houston (downtown) but live in Galveston County. Corpus is my favorite Texas city. You can close someone's eyes and drop them in just about any Texas city and it about looks the same, except Corpus where parts actually remind me of the Riviera.

I lived in Houston during the 80's peak in oil and it's downfall. I had an apartment in Clear lake...loved it there. Back when Kyema (sp) was a fishing village...lol. What I most about Houston is being able to watch my Astros live.

I've been in Corpus for the last five years...it's OK, but I miss the beach at South Parde Island. I live in McAllen for fifteen years before moving to Corpus. Originally I'm from San Antonio.

798 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:39:15am

re: #730 Occasional Reader Good morning O.R. I agree that Georgia, qua Georgia isn't worth it. However, as I discussed way up above somewhere, We have been acting as Georgia's ally for quite a while now, they have sent a large amount of troops (for a nation it's size) to fight alongside us in Iraq and we've been training their military for a long time now, so there is this troubling "appearance" that they are our allies - a functioning democracy no less.
So while Georgia is "no big deal" to us in the sense of we NEED Georgia, we do NEED our credibility if we are to continue to be the leaders of the Free World.
Oh and btw, Russia has now officially "advised" the democratic Ukraine NOT to join NATO or the big bad Russian Bear will not be happy. Want to bet that they've said the same thing to all of their former satellite's?

799 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:39:16am

re: #789 alegrias

Now that the Russians have clearly ignored the ceasefire, are the Obamanites still claiming the Russians stopped fighting in response to Obama's statement?

800 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:39:32am

re: #753 sparrowlake

The same way he seems to be crumplimg Dubya these days?
BTW, have you noticed how B.O. always seems to try to put his arm around anyone famous he greets publicly? I have this vision of him trying this with Putin and having his overreaching familiar embrace unceremoniously rejected.

putin must have such disdain for the anointed one.
how abt. how the first thing b,o. said after the russian invasion was, come one everybody, lets do circle of friends and sing kumbaya. i wonder if b.o. was surprised he couldn't speak the words and bring everyone together?

801 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:39:58am
802 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:40:00am

re: #799 Kenneth

Now that the Russians have clearly ignored the ceasefire, are the Obamanites still claiming the Russians stopped fighting in response to Obama's statement?

They actually said that? What a buncha' fucking morons.

803 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:40:05am

Morning all, has anyone posted this gem.

I think Tim Kaine would make an excellent running mate for Barack Obama. Why, he already has imbibed fully of The One’s Kool-Aid with his analysis of the purpoted Russian cease-fire this morning. Kaine told Fox News that he was glad that Russia listened to Obama’s demand for a cessation of its attack on Georgia:It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator’s request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev.

I'll sleep better knowing Obama/Kaine solved the Georgia situation.
/

804 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:40:07am

re: #755 realwest

Yep, the 27th is when the REAL PAIN starts - right now as long as I don't chew on it or grind my teeth it's bearable!
Good luck with that eye!

You're almost there my friend...I posted an updated link for you about the Geo-Rus war.

805 Golem Akbar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:40:17am

Good morning Lizards of all stripes and stars. It's foggy here in the Valley of the San Fernandos. Vas is das, fog?

806 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:40:28am

re: #789 alegrias

"He may or may not"

Strong gutsy stand!

807 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:40:38am
When I was 18 years old, and I was arrested by the Israelis and was in an Israeli jail under the Israeli administration, Hamas had control of its members inside the jail and I saw their torture; (they were) torturing people in a very, very bad way.

JONATHAN HUNT: Hamas members torturing other Hamas members?

MOSAB HASSAN YOUSEF: Hamas leaders! Hamas leaders that we see on TV now, and big leaders, responsible for torturing their own members. They didn't torture me, but that was a shock for me, to see them torturing people: putting needles under their nails, burning their bodies. And they killed lots of them.

JONATHAN HUNT: Why were they torturing people?

MOSAB HASSAN YOUSEF: Because they suspected that they had relations with the Israelis and (were) co-operating with the Israeli occupation against Hamas ... So hundreds of people were victims for this, and I was a witness for about a year for this torture. So that was a huge change in my life. I started to open my (eyes), but, the point (is) that I got that there are good Muslims and bad Muslims. Good Muslims, such as my father, and bad Muslims, like those Hamas members in the jail torturing people.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

I have seen this with my own eyes.

808 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:41:01am

re: #803 jcm

Morning all, has anyone posted this gem.

I'll sleep better knowing Obama/Kaine solved the Georgia situation.
/


I screwed up my formating...
Kaine's quote.


It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator’s request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev.

809 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:41:11am

re: #756 WriterMom

Monkey cupcakes?

Thank you for that!

Cool idea.

810 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:41:27am

re: #784 Ford_Prefect

Those thorns are gonna hurt.

Every rose will no longer have its thorn under BHO's glorious regime, Brett Michaels & the rest of Poison had better get used to it!

811 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:41:36am

re: #808 jcm

much discussed yesterday

812 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:42:14am

re: #744 Occasional Reader "Nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot 'em in the dark."
ROFL! I know you didn't mean it, but it's still a good line!

813 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:42:17am

re: #811 Big Steve

much discussed yesterday

I figured, always late to the party wearing the wrong costume.

814 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:42:27am
815 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:42:34am

re: #780 Boondock St. Bender

can't forget the soldiers behind camera with their guns trained on the reporter.

Russia is showing the world their true colors.

816 Golem Akbar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:42:34am

re: #803 jcm

Morning all, has anyone posted this gem.


I'll sleep better knowing Obama/Kaine solved the Georgia situation.
/


Obama's answer to the energy crisis is hot air. I mean, it has a certain logic. Even if it does smell like it came out of a certain other orifice.

817 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:43:04am

re: #801 ploome hineni

I don;t think so

the people behind BO are very shadowy and scary

BO is really a sockpuppet

empty

if that is the case, b.o. is going to be letting everyone down. he isn't even a adequate sockpuppet. he will make a very weak, inept front man. he won't be able to hold up.

818 Tigger2005  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:43:33am

Wow...that link above to DailyKos with the comment about Georgia...never mind the stench of hypocrisy wafting from it, let's embrace it! It gives us all the justification we need to invade Venezuela and Cuba, right now! I think we should take over Mexico too, they've irritated us enough!

819 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:43:45am

re: #794 Ford_Prefect

Honestly, I don't think it would come to that. I think this bully would back down in a hurry if we stop him now. If we let him get a head of steam going then we have a real big problem.

What do you propose doing?

I think it would be logistically difficult for us to get significant ground forces there (with armor and artillery) in short order.

We could in theory provide air cover; but I think even that would be hard to get in place before this thing is over, one way or another.

820 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:43:59am

Good morning, Lizards! Been listening to some oral interviews with intelligence analysts (I know, as pertains the Feds, it may be an oxymoron) who say that there is no way that the CIA did not know about the Russian military build up prior to the incursion in to Georgia. As for me, I think it is still possible, given the historical record of the agency.

821 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:44:04am

re: #741 Kenneth

This totally surreal... a CNN reporter is giving a report live from Georgia on the fighting, with a Russian soldier standing beside the reporter the whole time. The Russian interrupts the reporter several times to direct how the questions should be answered, and at one point, with an AK slung over his shoulder says, "Russia does not want war."

(click the "Live" bar at the top of the page)


A day after a cease-fire agreement to end the fighting, it's unclear whether either side is sticking to the plan.

That's the caption under the screen.

I effen HATE CNN.

822 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:44:05am

Ok, I watched the female syncronized diving last night and the HAG commentator for NBC loved everything the Chinese female divers did and pointed out every mistake the American girls did....she must be on the chinese payroll.

If I ran NBC, she would be fired and kicked to the curb.

One other thing, I saw a bulge in the crotch of one of those Chinese divers.....I don't think she is all female. I look at our hot American female divers and theres no question.

823 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:44:18am

re: #797 jorline

Stros are looking better. I have tickets for Friday's game. We may be the only Astro's fans on LGF and there are lots of cubbies out there so need to watch ourselves.

824 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:44:37am

re: #781 WriterMom

Who needed a serious shave....

But he mixed up his razor
With a Class-4 Laser
And chopped his chin to his legs

825 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:44:42am

re: #538 WriterMom

You referring to this?

826 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:04am

re: #788 MandyManners

The EU would flat-out refuse.

I know. Too bad we can't tell Europe to go along, or they can kiss Putin's ass, because aren't going to save theirs if they won't do anything to help.

If we let Russia get away with this, they'll have their Eastern Bloc back, because NO ONE will be able to trust the US as an ally.
And we'll end up in a nuclear war because Russia will push too far. Better to stop it now; I doubt Putin will go nuclear over Georgia.

827 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:08am

re: #799 Kenneth

Now that the Russians have clearly ignored the ceasefire, are the Obamanites still claiming the Russians stopped fighting in response to Obama's statement?

The Russians obeyed Obama, but then McCain said something mean and ruined it all.

/I'm just guessing that'll be the line

828 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:17am

re: #815 jorline

Russia is showing the world their true colors.

They continued to show their true colors as soon as the Soviet Union broke up. Every Warsaw Pact country that had a Soviet star incorporated into its Air force insignia - Romania, Hungary, Bulgaria - ditched the star as soon as the Wall fell (Romania even got rid of it before then). But Russia has kept the Red Star as its Air Force insignia since. That should have told us all we needed to know abot Russia's true intentions.

829 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:18am

re: #791 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I think in this case protecting the Georgians freedom could ultimately mean we are protecting ours. Again this aggression should be stopped before they get momentum.

830 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:25am

re: #822 Maximu§

Ok, I watched the female syncronized diving last night and the HAG commentator for NBC loved everything the Chinese female divers did and pointed out every mistake the American girls did....she must be on the chinese payroll.

If I ran NBC, she would be fired and kicked to the curb.

One other thing, I saw a bulge in the crotch of one of those Chinese divers.....I don't think she is all female. I look at our hot American female divers and theres no question.

And the East German judge scores it a 6.8........

831 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:41am

re: #823 Big Steve

Stros are looking better. I have tickets for Friday's game. We may be the only Astro's fans on LGF and there are lots of cubbies out there so need to watch ourselves.

I dunno, I enjoyed them demolishing the Reds.

832 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:48am
833 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:45:58am

re: #808 jcm

I screwed up my formating...
Kaine's quote.


It was a bad crisis for the world. It required tough words but also a smart approach to call on the international community to step in. And I’m very, very happy that the Senator’s request for a ceasefire has been complied with by President Medvedev.

And they all rode off on unicorns. What world is this guy living in?
NOBAMA!
McCain MUST be elected.

834 StinkHammer  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:46:26am

Once again, VDH nails it -- in this case, its Georgia and the libs:

In almost every liberal analysis of the Georgian fiasco, there appears that qualifier BUT, usually in the context of something like "of course, what Russia did was inexcusable, BUT..."

Then follows the expected (fill in the blanks):

a) moral equivalence: BUT we invaded Iraq [attacking a dictatorship and fostering democracy is the same as attacking democracy to foster dictatorship];
b) Those neocons: BUT once again those neocons are looking for new dragons to slay in their quest for perennial war [encouraging Georgian democracy is of course bad];
c) Bush Derangement Syndrome: BUT once again Bush's strutting got us into another jam abroad [Bush is both responsible for courting Putin and unnecessarily offending him].

835 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:46:39am

re: #822 Maximu§

don't think being a guy helps you much in synch diving.

836 nyc redneck  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:47:19am

lots of the older ukrainians in my neighbor hood are worried. i see them on the street, talking in hushed tones.

837 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:47:23am

re: #831 OldLineTexan

three of us, we are a regular club!

838 David Simon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:47:31am

re: #822 Maximu§

I saw a bulge in the crotch of one of those Chinese divers

Sexorganist!

839 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:47:55am

re: #829 Ford_Prefect

I
think in this case protecting the Georgians freedom could ultimately
mean we are protecting ours. Again this aggression should be stopped
before they get momentum.

I'd agree that it is important to protect our allies & provide support for them, not to mention deterring any future Russian aggression, but I don't think a war with Russia is in our best interest. What is the best answer? I just don't know.

840 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:48:02am

re: #799 Kenneth

Now that the Russians have clearly ignored the ceasefire, are the Obamanites still claiming the Russians stopped fighting in response to Obama's statement?

* * *
That idiot is my governor, High Eyebrow, considered veep material by dems. Baghdad Bob was a more credible politician than these noobies.

841 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:48:12am

re: #830 jcm

And the East German judge scores it a 6.8........

lol, there should be extra points added for the shower part. Our girls are a 10 for sure....and I'm positive one of those Chinese divers is really a Man.

842 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:48:34am

re: #833 Kosh's Shadow

And they all rode off on unicorns. What world is this guy living in?
NOBAMA!
McCain MUST be elected.

N∅b☭m➑!

843 Pyrocles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:48:41am

NPR is working hard on that. They've been running frequent reports pimping Obama's "southern strategy", emphasizing how red states like Virginia and Alaska are turning blue. Along with all their "Republicans for Obama" reports, and "Republicans changing to Democrats" reports.

re: #571 maddogg

I just spent the last hour looking at polls. It looks like Obama will not win a single southern state, based on polls that show him down as much as 21% in southern states, and down 13% in more democratic states such as Arkansas. I cannot see Obama winning the White House without any southern states.

844 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:49:17am

re: #826 Kosh's Shadow

If we let Russia get away with this, they'll have their Eastern Bloc back

I really think that's an overstatement. Bugaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, and Slovenia are all NATO members. All jokes about NATO aside, Putin would not dare.

845 Alouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:49:19am

re: #723 Ben Hur

Islamic group condemns plan to expand Western Wall prayer site

622 to 0.

You lose.

Boker effen Tov.

The Moslems can't understand why the Jews didn't kick them off the occupied land they're squatting on 40 years ago. They know they deserve it. Todah effen rabbah bishvil klum, L'aveugle Dayan!

846 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:49:30am
847 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:49:37am

re: #841 Maximu§


Unless there is a 'toe' you just don't know.

848 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:49:44am

re: #803 jcm

Morning all, has anyone posted this gem.

I'll sleep better knowing Obama/Kaine solved the Georgia situation.
/

LMAO...OPPS..back to the drawing board.

849 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:50:07am

Asked a friend of mine who emigrated here (US) from Ukraine what he thought about all this...

On the Russian radio station that I’m listening to – you should hear the crap! Yesterday was the Officially Declared Mourning Day (for the poor dead Ossetinians you understand) If you wish to donate (again – all about the poor Ossetininans) you can send your rubles to XYZ and THE GOVERNMENT will dispense of it in a proper manner!
And the red cloth is waved! And the masses are psyched! And there are tons of anti-American slogans…. Because somehow it is ALL OUR FAULT (and they compare Saakashvili to Hitler)
It’s just all so sad! The country that probably orchestrated more genocide than Hitler and Ghengis-Khan put together is a 'Peacekeeper' against “one” and all these idiots who should have learned from the History of USSR how easy it is to lie and mislead the masses and should know better – don’t!

850 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 7:50:26am