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Bush Sending Military to Georgia for Humanitarian Aid

Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 9:33:22 am PDT

President Bush is sending US aircraft and Navy vessels to Georgia, to provide humanitarian aid.

U.S. President George W. Bush said he is concerned by reports that Russia isn’t living up a provisional cease-fire in Georgia, warning that the Kremlin is putting its relations with the U.S. and Europe at risk.

“We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia and we expect all Russian forces that have entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country,” Bush said in a statement in the White House Rose Garden Wednesday. “As I have made clear, Russia’s ongoing action raises serious questions about its intentions in Georgia and the region.”

Bush said he is sending Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to meet with in France with French President Nicolas Sarkozy and then to the Georgian capitol of Tbilisi to meet with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili.

Bush also said Defense Secretary Robert Gates will lead the U.S. effort to provide humanitarian and medical supplies to Georgia. U.S. aircraft are on the way to deliver aid, and Navy vessels carrying aid will leave soon, he said.

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1 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:34:19am

I hope Russia blinks.

2 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:34:42am

Excellent humanitarianism.

Also an excellent perch, all-round.

3 Sizzlack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:34:52am

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

4 Sizzlack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:35:11am

re: #1 MandyManners

I hope Russia blinks.

blinks? or drinks?

5 locutus  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:00am

Sounds like its time to tell NORAD to boot up the WOPR, we may need it soon..

6 Peterus  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:03am

"Humanitarian fleet" to watch over "peace corps" ?

7 Basho  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:21am

Finally, action.

8 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:42am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

The Messiah has been heard from by way of Susan Rice, one of his 300 foreign policy advisers who is having a hissy-fit at John McCain this morning.

The entire thing is right straight out of the Berlin Airlift. (Including Russia's actions.)

9 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:52am

re: #6 Peterus

"Humanitarian fleet" to watch over "peace corps" ?

And that's how you do the UN shuffle! Boop dee boop!

10 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:57am

repost:

I'll see your "Peacekeeping" bullsh*t and raise you a "Humanitarian" mission.

11 trailortrash  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:02am

wolverines!

12 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:08am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

I think his handlers are probably having that issue. I still maintain that the man is an empty suit, a true product of the Chicago machine. I used to live near there; I know the funny business they play.

Back on-topic: I think sending the military is a wise idea. We will be in a good position to put up an effective defense if our fears are realized and Putin gives the order to leave none standing.

13 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:13am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

14 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:35am

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

That really did make me laugh aloud.

15 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:37am

Putin was expecting Jimmy Carter.

He got Harry Truman.

16 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:48am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.


Narry a word.

17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:59am

Clever.

We aid our ally and get military troops on the ground. Even a small detachment can impede the Russian troops who would have to worry about a massive escalation if they engage US forces.

18 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:50am

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

Not Winnie the Pooh?

19 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:09am

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Clever.

We aid our ally and get military troops on the ground. Even a small detachment can impede the Russian troops who would have to worry about a massive escalation if they engage US forces.

We always support our humanitarian missions with boots on the ground. Even in New Orleans.

20 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:24am

They're serving Obama BIG bowls of Poi while he's vacationing...his mother taught him not to speak while his mouth is full...good move Barry, keep eating!

21 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:28am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

He's sending out his minions.

22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:34am

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

His Military Advisor, Matt Damon, went on record advising Obama to "Matt Damon!"

23 BrianA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:39am

Hasn't the Russian navy blockaded the Georgian ports? The confrontation may occur at sea.

24 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:46am

re: #4 Sizzlack

blinks? or drinks?

Is it a mean drunk?

25 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:53am

A few Javelins in the bandages would be a welcome surprise.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

26 Padre  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:56am

re: #5 locutus

Shall we play a game?

27 Sizzlack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:04am

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

Oye. I'd bet the only advice Clooney could give would be to pressure Putin to give him rights to make a movie out of this when all is said and done. And Clooney will cast himself as Putin of course.

28 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:07am

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

Not Winnie the Pooh?

Winnie will be Sec. of Defense (Oh Brother).

29 billy hank  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:52am

Wonder if the relief supplies include replacements and spare parts?

30 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:56am

OK Putin...you're move now!

31 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:59am

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

I lost my lust for Clooney this morning. Not even a gagged George would be allowed to eat crackers in my bed.

32 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:41:15am

Glad to see Bush is still the compassionate conservative he always has been.

33 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:41:20am

re: #26 Padre

Shall we play a game?

"Strange game. The only way to win is not to play."
/ Wargames

34 big steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:02am

OT.....we are often amused or angered by Ron Paul (who is my congressman) and his supporters....but I do wish his wife the best.

Ron Paul's Wife in ICU

35 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:03am

re: #31 MandyManners

I lost my lust for Clooney this morning. Not even a gagged George would be allowed to eat crackers in my bed.


Good to know.


/:)

36 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:16am

re: #30 jorline

OK Putin...you're move now!

However, Bush said already said checkmate.

37 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:28am

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

Not Winnie the Pooh?

Leave Obama alone, you bastards! Clooney hasn't answered Obama's email & Scarlet hasn't updated her Facebook in like days! How do you expect Obama to cope with all this foreign relations stuff without his senior advisers?

38 Sizzlack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:40am

re: #24 MandyManners

Is it a mean drunk?

Russia is like the guy that shows up to the party late and drinks a ton in 10 minutes to try and catch up to everyone else. Then before you know it he's on the front lawn fighting three people, which is then followed by a lot of throwing up and passing out in the garage.

39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:46am

re: #19 galloping granny

We always support our humanitarian missions with boots on the ground. Even in New Orleans.

True, but there will likely be a sizeable difference in the size of the security elements for this humanitarian mission.

40 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:49am

re: #35 maddogg

Good to know.


/:)

I posted some stupid shit sometimes. Faulty brain/finger filter.

41 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:43:06am

re: #34 big steve

OT.....we are often amused or angered by Ron Paul (who is my congressman) and his supporters....but I do wish his wife the best.

Ron Paul's Wife in ICU

Ditto

42 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:43:23am

re: #37 Kenneth

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.


Leave Obama alone, you bastards! Clooney hasn't answered Obama's email & Scarlet hasn't updated her Facebook in like days! How do you expect Obama to cope with all this foreign relations stuff without his senior advisers?


Can't he just finish his poi?

43 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:43:24am

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, but there will likely be a sizeable difference in the size of the security elements for this humanitarian mission.

It is not size that counts, it is quality. As every woman knows.

44 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:43:52am

re: #38 Sizzlack

Russia is like the guy that shows up to the party late and drinks a ton in 10 minutes to try and catch up to everyone else. Then before you know it he's on the front lawn fighting three people, which is then followed by a lot of throwing up and passing out in the garage.

And, he scares the shit out of the neigbors.

45 opnion  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:43:56am

Putin is not doing this on impulse. He wants to pull Georgia back, but I think that he is also probing us.
We could blockade Cuba in retaliation, but I think that the guys in the Kremlin would have a good laugh over that

46 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:07am

re: #38 Sizzlack

Russia is like the guy that shows up to the party late and drinks a ton in 10 minutes to try and catch up to everyone else. Then before you know it he's on the front lawn fighting three people, which is then followed by a lot of throwing up and passing out in the garage.

And he claims your garage as his own!

47 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:07am

re: #40 MandyManners

I posted some stupid shit sometimes. Faulty brain/finger filter.

You get a pass, Mandy:)

48 Rednek  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:10am

It has been 3 AM for 6 days now and The Annointed One is still asleep.

49 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:14am

re: #42 maddogg

Can't he just finish his poi?

Maybe a little Maui Wowi?

50 cutestguy[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:36am
51 Grand Poobah  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:36am

I think Russia's military is weak, they've lost the arms race, they're stuff right now is inferior while their only strength is numbers.

At the same time, I don't like these turn of events. I'm glad we're sending "humanitarian aid" but I hope that aid has a few stingers.

52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:38am

re: #43 galloping granny

It is not size that counts, it is quality. As every woman knows.

Of course having both has never hurt.

or has it?

53 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:41am

WE DON'T HATE RUSSIA, JUST THEGOVERNMENT.

WE DON'T HATE RUSSIA, JUST PUTIN.

G-d that SH*T sounds familiar.

54 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:41am

re: #36 faraway

However, Bush said already said checkmate.

I think he may have checked, checkmate will be the next move.

55 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:44:42am

The Russian army was in complete disarray 5 years ago and no matter how much money Putin throws at it you just cannot rebuild an army that fast, I hope they come to the conclusion that they are in no way ready to take on the battle tested U.S. Army.

56 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:45:34am

re: #48 Rednek

It has been 3 AM for 6 days now and The Annointed One is still asleep.

I'm surprised one of the Clintons has not issued a statement.

57 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:45:37am

re: #49 Kenneth

Maybe a little Maui Wowi?

Damn, been a looooooooong time......

58 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:45:57am

re: #4 Sizzlack

blinks? or drinks?

Maybe our humanitarian aid should include something for those poor Russian soldiers, having to fight so hard. I'm sure they would enjoy some vodka. Say a couple of bottles per soldier?

59 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:19am

re: #55 bulwrk

The Russian army was in complete disarray 5 years ago and no matter how much money Putin throws at it you just cannot rebuild an army that fast, I hope they come to the conclusion that they are in no way ready to take on the battle tested U.S. Army.

I don't think that is their intention. But it is their intention to intimidate their neighbors.

60 Golem Akbar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:25am

re: #42 maddogg

Can't he just finish his poi?

lol!

61 the lizard  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:48am

re: #22 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

His Military Advisor, Matt Damon, went on record advising Obama to "Matt Damon!"

that my friend, was hilarious.

62 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:57am

re: #31 MandyManners

I lost my lust for Clooney this morning. Not even a gagged George would be allowed to eat crackers in my bed.

But that Tom Selleck....he is another matter!

63 opnion  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:47:01am

re: #55 bulwrk

The Russian army was in complete disarray 5 years ago and no matter how much money Putin throws at it you just cannot rebuild an army that fast, I hope they come to the conclusion that they are in no way ready to take on the battle tested U.S. Army.

Their equipment is a mess & the troops are underpaid & no matter how you slice it, they know that we did in Afghanistan what they could not.

64 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:47:29am

re: #15 CIA Reject

Putin was expecting Jimmy Carter.

He got Harry Truman.

He should have waited until after the election. Now, he's likely pushed more people into the McCain camp.

65 baxtrice  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:47:50am

re: #34 big steve

OT.....we are often amused or angered by Ron Paul (who is my congressman) and his supporters....but I do wish his wife the best.

Ron Paul's Wife in ICU

He needs our support for the quick recovery of his wife. He is my congressman as well.

66 Grand Poobah  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:47:55am

re: #52 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course having both has never hurt.

or has it?

Depends how wealthy your country is. The Byzantines had one of the largest and most effective armies in the world, problem was, their coffers took an immense beating.

67 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:13am

Koskidz blame McCain....
McCain's Georgian August Surprise?

Robert Scheer raises a very interesting question over at truthdig, namely whether Georgian lobbyist and McCain senior foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann had any role in stoking the current crisis in a misguided (one can hope) attempt to boost McCain's hawkish stature by giving him the opportunity to bluster against the good old Russian Bear.
.....
This certainly does seemed to be feeding into John McCain's angry old warmonger strategy, and we all know the GOP would give their eyeteeth to have the Soviets back to rail against (Now that was a moneymaker!).
....
....getting the American public engaged on this matter would require an honest and objective look at the situation, one which would take into account the deliberately provocative moves of the Georgian government and the web which connects this event to so many other ill-founded foreign policy ploys by the very same players.


Progressive!

68 Josephine  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:14am

This is reassuring news from President Bush.

Canada will be sending a million dollars to help with humanitarian work in Georgia. Half will go to the Red Cross, which "has made a worldwide appeal to the public for $8 million."

"The announcement of Canadian aid comes a day after Prime Minister Stephen Harper condemned Russia's incursions into Georgian territory and said it was imperative that Russia respects the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Georgia."

69 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:20am

re: #55 bulwrk

The US rebuilt it's military in a very short time in WW2... if the Russian oil money has been getting poured into the military it could be quite formidable. On the other hand the operation has been run so quickly as to avoid having to deal with US combat troops/world opinion... just hoping that where it looks like someone may have miscalculated on the number of troops needed to make the whole thing end quickly enough before any form of international aid (read US intervention) in the matter starts is a correct gut feeling...

70 CheDub  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:20am

Maybe a little OT, but this could be real interesting...

U.S.-Russia Naval Exercise May Be Canceled

71 mpax  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:34am

The Chosen One made a big deal in Berlin about the Berlin Airlift (without actually mentioning Truman) so it will be interesting to see his reaction to a real time use of military for humanitarian purposes.

72 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:10am

re: #64 Kosh's Shadow

He should have waited until after the election. Now, he's likely pushed more people into the McCain camp.

He couldn't afford to wait any longer. The world's attention was universally distracted. This was the prime moment to strike. He can deal with McCain later if he can but win this little victory before the world awakens.

I'm hearing faint echoes of Khrushchev banging his shoe upon the table, though.

73 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:18am

re: #56 faraway

I'm surprised one of the Clintons has not issued a statement.

If Hillary issued a statement she would be accused of trying to cut Obama out of his rightful place. She isn't ready to do that.

Bill is finally doing what ex-presidents are supposed to do - shut the hell up and play golf.

74 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:24am

re: #23 BrianA Yes, they've taken over the port city of Poti and are sinking Georgian ships at an apparently alarming rate.
That's one reason why we are sending not just Air Assets to deliver the humanitarian and medical aid, but are sending our Navy in to do the same thing.

Saying this could get ugly is awfully repetitive, but IF Russia should be stupid enough to try to use military force to stop our Air Force and/or Navy the military situation in Georgia will change in less than 12 hours.

75 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:07am

re: #13 maddogg

He's consulting with George Clooney, his foreign policy adviser.

Now that is scary, because it is true. These ego maniacs live in a pretend world where their charisma and intelligence can cure every problem. How do they know they are so smart? Because they tell each other constantly. This reinforcement appears to double ones IQ.

76 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:14am

re: #59 Nevergiveup

That they can do up until they see U.S. military personal on the ground in Georgia delivering aid, that should be a big flashing red light for them.

77 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:16am

re: #64 Kosh's Shadow

He should have waited until after the election. Now, he's likely pushed more people into the McCain camp.

ROVE YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD ! ! ! :-)

78 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:18am

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Yeah, it all makes sense now... Bush cooked this whole thing up so McCain could look "presidential" and Obama could demonstrate just how clueless he really is. Rove, you magnificent bastard!

79 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:21am

Rush is talking about Susan Rice's asshattery now...

80 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:22am

re: #67 Killgore Trout

Good grief.

81 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:40am

I hope we're moving in some Patriots to our bases in Iraq, I doubt we were doing so previously.

82 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:41am

Bush should send Bill Clinton to Georgia to negotiate a peace.

/obamanuts heads exploding

83 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:50:42am

re: #70 CheDub

Maybe a little OT, but this could be real interesting...

U.S.-Russia Naval Exercise May Be Canceled

Not canceled, just moved.

84 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:09am

all we need now is a few J-DAM landslides on those LOC's.......

85 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:26am

re: #70 CheDub

Maybe a little OT, but this could be real interesting...

U.S.-Russia Naval Exercise May Be Canceled

It may be happening sooner than they thought and it won't be an exercise.

86 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:28am

re: #68 Josephine

SOunds like Bush is going all unilateral like again!

87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:40am

re: #66 Grand Poobah

You spoiled my not so subtle innuendo with your logical factual response!

88 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:41am

re: #76 bulwrk

That they can do up until they see U.S. military personal on the ground in Georgia delivering aid, that should be a big flashing red light for them.

I would think so. I wonder how prominent that military personal will be?

89 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:44am

re: #63 opnion

Their equipment is a mess & the troops are underpaid & no matter how you slice it, they know that we did in Afghanistan what they could not.

and from around the world, not next door.

90 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:52:53am

re: #71 mpax

The Chosen One made a big deal in Berlin about the Berlin Airlift (without actually mentioning Truman) so it will be interesting to see his reaction to a real time use of military for humanitarian purposes.

A brilliant stroke by the evil genius Bush!

It's the only type of military action the LLLs will support - but of ocourse they'd rather give the help to Russia.

The army isn't meals on wheels.

-Rush Limbaugh.

91 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:53:29am

Have we stopped to ask what did we do to make Russia so gosh darned angry? Did we invalidate their feelings in some way? Aren't we really to blame? Think of the children, friends.

92 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:54:01am

re: #83 maddogg

Not canceled, just moved.

And perhaps not joint.

93 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:54:13am

For anyone interested, the Ministry of Foreign Affaris of Georgia blog.

Latest entries include the transcript of President Saakashvili's press conference this morning, and a running timeline of what's happened so far.

Also the website of Lech Kaczynski, President of Poland. He's got a Georgia dedicated column down on the right side of his page.

And one more from Dancho Danchev's Blog - The Russia vs Georgia Cyber Attack.

Happy reading.

94 trailortrash  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:54:16am

rush is going off LOL

95 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:54:42am

re: #7 Basho

Finally, action.

Be careful what you wish for! This isn't some flippin' game, you know!

96 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:20am

I recommend not watching this.

97 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:27am

re: #24 MandyManners

Is it a mean drunk?

Yeah, Russia is a really mean drunk.

98 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:31am

re: #95 Russkilitlover

Be careful what you wish for! This isn't some flippin' game, you know!

"Amen" to go with the up-ding

99 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:35am

re: #88 Nevergiveup

I would think so. I wonder how prominent that military personal will be?

Since it is the mililtary delivering the aid, I would suspect that the military will be fairly prominent in the military operation of bringing in aid. We don't work for the Red Cross, after all.

100 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:58am

re: #93 Suihei Deloi

For anyone interested, the Ministry of Foreign Affaris of Georgia blog.

Latest entries include the transcript of President Saakashvili's press conference this morning, and a running timeline of what's happened so far.

Also the website of Lech Kaczynski, President of Poland. He's got a Georgia dedicated column down on the right side of his page.

And one more from Dancho Danchev's Blog - The Russia vs Georgia Cyber Attack.

Happy reading.

Any idea when [Link: www.aboutgeorgia.net...] will come back?

101 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:04am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

The should check the bathroom that John Edwards cowered in. I hear that's a great place to curl up in a ball, rock yourself, and hum monotonously.

102 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:13am

re: #1 MandyManners

I hope Russia blinks.

I don't think they're going to.

103 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:27am

re: #95 Russkilitlover

Be careful what you wish for! This isn't some flippin' game, you know!

Quite right. I think Bush is doing exactly the right thing, but anyone who wishes for escalation hasn't seen much of the nastiness in the world.

104 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:29am

Right on President Bush!

Make sure those ships and planes are loaded for Bear.

105 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:44am

re: #91 Kenneth

Have we stopped to ask what did we do to make Russia so gosh darned angry? Did we invalidate their feelings in some way? Aren't we really to blame? Think of the children, friends.

Yes. The Left has. We gave them the 'wrong signals'. what you might ask, were those? We approved of democracy and anti-corruption measures. Bush the bumbler. I heard this on Fox last night from a GOP Congressman from Illinois who is endorsing Obama and The Dean of The Pepperdine Law School.

106 Rednek  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:46am

re: #91 Kenneth

...Did we invalidate their feelings in some way? ...

LOL
That has such a ring of outragous violation.

107 Mike in Georgia  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:56am

Are we going to have to go save Europe again?

108 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:14am

re: #80 scottishbuzzsaw

The Koskidz are furiously spinning today. They're really hoping this blows up and America is digraced. Somehow Obama is supposed to win the day.

109 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:29am

Russia must think this is the dead of winter.

110 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:55am

bbl

111 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:04am

Mr. Obama, this is your 3 a.m. wake-up call.
Mr. Obama to the white courtesy telephone please?
Bueller? Anyone?

112 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:05am

re: #69 anotherindyfilmguy

The US rebuilt it's military in a very short time in WW2... if the Russian oil money has been getting poured into the military it could be quite formidable. On the other hand the operation has been run so quickly as to avoid having to deal with US combat troops/world opinion... just hoping that where it looks like someone may have miscalculated on the number of troops needed to make the whole thing end quickly enough before any form of international aid (read US intervention) in the matter starts is a correct gut feeling...

russia's big problem in "rebuilding" their military is a fundamental one. no amount of money will change the basic psychological differences in the population pool they draw their recruits from, compared to the US, nor will it change the philosophy's of employment.

the Narod will be the Narod for the foreseeable future, and they would have to rebuild their entire military apparatus from the ground up.

that's not going to happen, because the people in charge still think the same old way.

113 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:22am

I would imagine American "humanitarian aid" also includes shipments of weapons for the Georgian military.

114 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:23am

re: #94 trailortrash

The astonishing thing (to me) is how many Russian propagandists exist in this country.

115 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:23am

re: #69 anotherindyfilmguy

The US rebuilt it's military in a very short time in WW2.


I am not sure what you mean by that, if you're talking about Korea we were only 8 years removed from WWII and much of the military infrastructure was still in place.We did not have to rebuild the army we just had to reconstitute it.

116 kuffar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:32am

The question I have is did the Georgians really move into South Ossetia and Abkhazia without provocation. If they did... Let Georgia hang.

If South Ossetia and Abkhazia did give Georgia cause, i.e. Seperatist Forces did attack Georgia proper, different matter.

If Georgians didn't actually move, Russians are pulling what amounts to Operation Himmler.

117 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:34am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are furiously spinning today. They're really hoping this blows up and America is digraced. Somehow Obama is supposed to win the day.

For good or ill, the day will have come and gone before Obama, a very junior US senator, will get a chance to do anything one way or the other about the day.

118 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:26am

re: #103 Cognito

Not escalating and beating down the aggressor will only mean death and destruction on a larger scale later on down the line when Russia invades NATO members who used to be part of the USSR...

119 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:53am
Richard Danzig, who served as Navy Secretary under President Clinton and is tipped to become National Security Adviser in an Obama White House, told a major foreign policy conference in Washington that the future of US strategy in the war on terrorism should follow a lesson from the pages of Winnie the Pooh, which can be shortened to: if it is causing you too much pain, try something else.

snip

“Here is Edward Bear, coming downstairs now, bump, bump, bump on the back of his head behind Christopher Robin. It is, as far as he knows, the only way of coming down stairs. But sometimes he thinks there really is another way if only he could stop bumping a minute and think about it.”

JUST AS A REMINDER

120 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:56am

re: #104 Maximu§

Right on President Bush!

Make sure those ships and planes are loaded for Bear.

and while you're at it, email me: i hear there's a Cav Ball at your house saturday...... %-)

121 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:57am

re: #114 Dianna

Yes, we have many domestic enemies, and they have freedoms they could not possibly enjoy if they, themselves governed.

122 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:12am

re: #114 Dianna

The astonishing thing (to me) is how many Russian propagandists exist in this country.

Really? You have been registered here since 2004. How can this be a surprise?

123 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:22am

re: #45 opnion

We could hit Iran in retaliation - sucks to be a "proxy" when the big boys start something.

124 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:32am

re: #95 Russkilitlover

Be careful what you wish for! This isn't some flippin' game, you know!

Indeed it isn't any kind of game at all. Certainly not to the democratic government of Georgia, and certainly not to Russia or to us.
But as I said on one of these threads before, you can't always chose the time and place to "make war" and if our forces, delivering humanitarian aid, are attacked by Russia, then it won't be any kind of game, will it?

125 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:33am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The Koskidz are furiously spinning today. They're really hoping this blows up and America is digraced. Somehow Obama is supposed to win the day.

You are a brave soul to enter the fevered swamps.

126 Thanos  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:33am

Long term consequences isn't an empty threat btw.

[Link: www.ifpri.org...]

127 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:44am

re: #115 bulwrk

The US rebuilt it's military in a very short time in WW2.


I am not sure what you mean by that, if you're talking about Korea we were only 8 years removed from WWII and much of the military infrastructure was still in place.We did not have to rebuild the army we just had to reconstitute it.

maybe he means 38-40 or so to 42-43?

128 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:04am

re: #107 Mike in Georgia

Indirectly, yes.

But it will only last so long. We'll get tired, or distracted, or lose our will, in 10, 20, 50 or 70 years, and then Russia will rush in.

Sorry.

129 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:10am

re: #120 redc1c4

and while you're at it, email me: i hear there's a Cav Ball at your house saturday...... %-)

You wanna come over?

It starts at 3:00...please tell me how to email someone in here.

130 Colin Nelson  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:12am

#36. Neither checkmate nor check yet. However, a strong counterattack by Pres. Bush.

131 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:21am

re: #58 Kosh's Shadow

Maybe our humanitarian aid should include something for those poor Russian soldiers, having to fight so hard. I'm sure they would enjoy some vodka. Say a couple of bottles per soldier?

Perhaps the best defense against the Red Army would be to preposition warehouses full of vodka near the borders.

132 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:22am

re: #118 anotherindyfilmguy

Yes, of course. Which is why I called it "exactly the right thing."

133 rupert  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:24am

re: #70 CheDub

US-Russia Naval Excercise - Might it be upgrade to US -Russian Standoff?

134 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:31am

re: #100 MandyManners

I didn't know about that one, but I was able to surf to it fine just now. I got my original links from a post in Beyond the Beyond here.

Did anyone manage to put the video on YouTube of Georgia kicking Russia's @ss in Olympic Judo last night?

135 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:54am

re: #118 anotherindyfilmguy

Not escalating and beating down the aggressor will only mean death and destruction on a larger scale later on down the line when Russia invades NATO members who used to be part of the USSR...

The key lesson of history.

Aggression: pay now or pay much more later.

136 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:59am

re: #107 Mike in Georgia

Are we going to have to go save Europe again?

Maybe. We'll see how things turn out.

137 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:36am

re: #126 Thanos

Long term consequences isn't an empty threat btw.

[Link: www.ifpri.org...]

There was a tiny little report somewhere just before this blew up that Russia had just instituted new import and export agricultural controls ala the old Soviet style 5 year plans.

138 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:42am

re: #127 redc1c4

Oh you're right I misread it, I still don't think you can compare the two.

139 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:03am

re: #115 bulwrk

The US rebuilt it's military in a very short time in WW2.


I am not sure what you mean by that, if you're talking about Korea we were only 8 years removed from WWII and much of the military infrastructure was still in place.We did not have to rebuild the army we just had to reconstitute it.

We had to basically rebuild the army to fight WWII. That's what I think he means.

140 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:13am

re: #129 Maximu§

You wanna come over?

It starts at 3:00...please tell me how to email someone in here.

You going to have those Chinese girl divers there!

141 Thanos  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:30am

re: #137 galloping granny

There was a tiny little report somewhere just before this blew up that Russia had just instituted new import and export agricultural controls ala the old Soviet style 5 year plans.

[Link: www.lol.org.ua...]

142 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:33am

re: #115 bulwrk

I meant rebuild. We gutted the military after WWI ended and had to expand rapidly to deal with WWII.

As for Russia pouring money in to rebuild the military, most of the problems in the military were poverty induced. Pay the troops enough that they don't have to rob new recruits of uniforms and clamp down on corruption/build up morale/train a lot/upkeep-replace equipment and make them feel appreciated are what they really needed to bring troops around to combat ready from barely surviving the winters.

143 seekeroftruth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:40am

re: #105 pat

That would be this guy:

The third "Republican for Obama" after Ms. Hauser and Mr. Chafee — and the only other one who participated in the call — was a former congressman from Iowa, James Leach. Mr. Leach took to the House floor in 2004 to deliver a speech titled "The Case for Restraint in Iran," warning against American or Israeli attacks on the mullahs's nuclear facilities. "It is hard to believe that outside military intervention would lead to anything except greater ensconcement of authoritarian mullah rule," Mr. Leach said, calling instead for America to agree to a comprehensive nuclear test ban. In 2006, when the House voted 397 to 21 to pass the Iran Freedom Support Act that toughened sanctions on Tehran, Mr. Leach was one of the 21 congressmen who opposed it.

[Link: www.nysun.com...]

144 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:59am

re: #81 itellu3times

I hope we're moving in some Patriots to our bases in Iraq, I doubt we were doing so previously.

Not a topic for discussion. Loose lips sink ships and all.

145 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:51am

re: #139 Honorary Yooper

We had to basically rebuild the army to fight WWII. That's what I think he means.

We had some big advantages though. Many of the training centers we had built to handle WWI were still standing. (We have since dismantled every single one of them and even sold off most of the land involved.)

146 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:55am

re: #144 CommonCents

Ditto.

147 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:43am

re: #128 Dianna

We got so tired of the cold war that thirty something years after it started the soviet union collapsed and we declared victory/peace dividend time...

148 cod_is_great  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:51am

Like a true bully, Russia always backs down.

149 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:20am

Dkos front page...
Adviser's Firm Pockets $$ While Counseling McCain on Georgia

John McCain and his lackeys have taken being in someone's pocket to a whole new level. Heck, look at the cross-marketing campaign they've got going, with Georgian President Saakashvilli giving their man a personal shout-out when the cameras turn his way.

Beware the Georgian Lobby!

150 Spenser (with an S)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:30am

Slightly OT; A women at our denomination's "Peace Blog" announced the coming of that horrible "Arlington" exhibit which depicts all the brave, fallen servicemen and women as victims in "Bush's War". I am going to respond, but wanted some feedback here for further ammunition. I'm going to ask her if they wouldn't be of better service protesting outside the Russian embassy and work on the next war.

151 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:38am

re: #148 cod_is_great

Like a true bully, Russia always backs down.

I think the Poles, the Czechs, and the Germans would strongly disagree with that statement.

152 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:44am

re: #116 kuffar "The question I have is did the Georgians really move into South Ossetia and Abkhazia without provocation. If they did... Let Georgia hang."

Why, how kind of you to treat another democracy (Georgia that is) that way.
Do you think the Russians "just happened" to have ALL of those tank columns, mechanized infantry and heavy artillery (not to mention their Air Force which - as per Russian military thinking - is bombing the crap out of CIVILIANS) sitting in place ready to invade Georgia?

Please, no apologists for Russia out here, ok?

153 CommonCents  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:48am

A basketfull of Russian designed EFP's confiscated in Iraq and delivered thru Iran would work nicely on the road to S. Ossetia right about now.

154 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:58am

re: #120 redc1c4

email sent

155 Thanos  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:33am

Russia also reported nearly a 12 percent inflation rate recently, this whole action might be to distract their public from the pressing problems at home.

156 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:42am

re: #140 Big Steve

You going to have those Chinese girl divers there!


Well its a pool party....sure why not!

157 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:36am

re: #114 Dianna Amen to that one (see my #152)

158 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:40am

re: #143 seekeroftruth

Ah, from the school of "Fighting back only makes it worse."

159 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:50am

re: #114 Dianna

The astonishing thing (to me) is how many Russian propagandists exist in this country.

Look at the average Leftist/Dem and you will see an apologist/propagandist. Now how many of those do we have?

160 cod_is_great  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:58am

re: #151 galloping granny

It took an invasion for Russia to start fighting Hitler.

161 Charles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:01am

I am being barraged with emails attacking "La Russophobe," by the way, and screaming that I'm being unfair to the Discovery Institute. They're angry and raging that I've posted La Russophobe's article connecting the DI's Russia Blog with the "Russia Today" propaganda channel.

There's something very very stinky going on here. They may think they're going to intimidate me into shying away from the topic with these tactics, but it's achieving exactly the opposite.

162 chitown55  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:12am

re: #69 anotherindyfilmguy

WW2 was a different game, was more about boots on the ground, supply of steel, tanks, how many bombs you could get in the air. I don't think money alone would erase the technological deficit that Russia faces today.

That being said, I'd rather not test it, and I'd hate to be wrong.

163 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:49am

re: #150 Spenser (with an S)

Make a list of all the Democrats who voted for "Bush's War". It will be a long list.

164 saberry0530  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:50am

re: #161 Charles

Thread worthy?

165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:07am

re: #158 Silhouette

Ah, from the school of "Fighting back only makes it worse."

If you simply give them what they want, whenever they want it, then there would never be any fighting.

Surely you can see that?

/

166 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:22am

re: #161 Charles

You know you're over the target when you start getting flak.

167 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:24am

re: #155 Thanos

Economic mess at home = military adventurism abroad. Nothing brings together the Russians like a good war.

I'm sure the left will recognize that aforementioned statement. Because they always trot it out when dealing with the US and its defense. Here, it stings all the more since it is true. The Russians weren't attacked, and invaded Georgia claiming to protect the rights of the South Ossetians. Yet, they're doing more than protecting the South Ossetians, but pushing right to destroying the Georgian government and taking out Georgian towns all over the place.

168 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:44am

re: #152 realwest

"The question I have is did the Georgians really move into South Ossetia and Abkhazia without provocation. If they did... Let Georgia hang."

Why, how kind of you to treat another democracy (Georgia that is) that way.
Do you think the Russians "just happened" to have ALL of those tank columns, mechanized infantry and heavy artillery (not to mention their Air Force which - as per Russian military thinking - is bombing the crap out of CIVILIANS) sitting in place ready to invade Georgia?

Please, no apologists for Russia out here, ok?

Amen, Real. I asked that question yesterday about whether or not the US knew those tanks were in place and if they had informed Georgia. I would still like to know the answer to that one.

169 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:46am

re: #161 Charles

I am being barraged with emails attacking "La Russophobe," by the way, and screaming that I'm being unfair to the Discovery Institute. They're angry and raging that I've posted La Russophobe's article connecting the DI's Russia Blog with the "Russia Today" propaganda channel.

There's something very very stinky going on here. They may think they're going to intimidate me into shying away from the topic with these tactics, but it's achieving exactly the opposite.

I guess my question here, Charles, is this: Is the Discovery Institute a "scientific" body whose main interest revolves around evolution or are they a political agency? It would seem to me that you can't really be both.

170 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:50am

re: #19 galloping granny

We always support our humanitarian missions with boots on the ground. Even in New Orleans.

New Orleans is more dangerous than Georgia, even with the Russian soldiers running around.

171 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:10:56am

re: #165 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you simply give them what they want, whenever they want it, then there would never be any fighting.

Surely you can see that?

/

I can't see that and don't call me Shirley.

/Hey, SOMEBODY had to say it!

172 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:13am

re: #91 Kenneth

Have we stopped to ask what did we do to make Russia so gosh darned angry? Did we invalidate their feelings in some way? Aren't we really to blame? Think of the children, friends.

We keep importing all their good looking women. And I say; NEVER STOP!

173 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:18am

re: #142 anotherindyfilmguy

But what you just described is what makes it difficult, during WWII Americans were highly motivated and focused all of our industrial might in the cause. That does not compare a better analogy would be how long did it take us to rebuild a neglected and demoralized military after Vietnam.

174 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:29am

re: #137 galloping granny And of course we all know how the Soviet's great 5 year plans worked out, don't we?

175 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:34am

re: #162 chitown55

Money alone was not all that was needed or the Russians to help their military, but imo it is a key component without which the rest couldn't get off the ground without.

176 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:45am

As I've been noting, the US has limited options, but that doesn't mean that it must sit back and do nothing. The humanitarian aid is one step. There are others.

177 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:45am

re: #27 Sizzlack

Oye. I'd bet the only advice Clooney could give would be to pressure Putin to give him rights to make a movie out of this when all is said and done. And Clooney will cast himself as Putin of course.

The problem is that C. Looney is only able to portray two kinds of characters: Lovable rogue and driven crusader. Which would be Putin? No, I think C. Looney would have to make up a character that is torn between his duty and the Georgian woman he loves.

/do I have to?

178 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:11:47am

re: #144 CommonCents

Not a topic for discussion. Loose lips sink ships and all.

Understood, lots of stuff I don't speculate about online even though I'm Joe Nobody, but this one was low enough on the hey-what-about list to mention on a blog. And Patriots travel fast.

Just looking at maps ...

179 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:12:10am

re: #160 cod_is_great

It took an invasion for Russia to start fighting Hitler.

Certainly that is true. But when they did, they did not stop. And they would not have stopped when they did if they had not been facing the US Army.

180 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:12:13am

re: #161 Charles

I still can't wrap my head around the DI connection with Soviet style propagandists. It's surreal.

181 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:12:13am

re: #161 Charles
Good on you Charles!
Can we help in any way?

182 seekeroftruth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:12:17am

re: #158 Silhouette

Ah, from the school of "Fighting back only makes it worse."

Yup. More RINO than Republican. And certainly not the "prominent " Republicans that the Financial Times is promoting.

183 Golem Akbar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:00am

re: #172 maddogg

We keep importing all their good looking women. And I say; NEVER STOP!


I notice that most of the Russian women are Ukrainians. hmmmm

184 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:04am

re: #161 Charles

Share?

185 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:10am

Minuteman missile might be visible in pre-dawn launch

and

Unarmed Minuteman 3 intercontinental ballistic missile was successfully launched From Calif. Base.

The ICBM was launched at 1:01 a.m. PDT and its three unarmed re-entry vehicles traveled about 4,220 miles over the Pacific Ocean to targets near the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, an Air Force statement said.

I am sure this was planned well in advance of the current confrontation with Russia, but it still send a powerful message.

186 cod_is_great  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:16am

re: #172 maddogg

Russian women are more expensive to keep up than the presidential yacht.

187 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:28am

re: #166 Killgore Trout

You know you're over the target when you start getting flak.

It's a cat blog now, you know you're getting close when they cough up a hair ball on you.

188 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:14:22am

re: #152 realwest

"The question I have is did the Georgians really move into South Ossetia and Abkhazia without provocation. If they did... Let Georgia hang."

Why, how kind of you to treat another democracy (Georgia that is) that way.
Do you think the Russians "just happened" to have ALL of those tank columns, mechanized infantry and heavy artillery (not to mention their Air Force which - as per Russian military thinking - is bombing the crap out of CIVILIANS) sitting in place ready to invade Georgia?

Please, no apologists for Russia out here, ok?

There has also been an ongoing cyber war against Georgian interests and government servers by Russian hackers for quite some time before the invasion. This invasion was planned for a long time by Putin.

189 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:14:35am

re: #180 funky chicken

It's surreal.

There's a lot of that going around lately.

190 Charles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:15:05am

Look at what's going on at the DI's Russia Blog -- a non-stop flood of pro-Russian propaganda.

[Link: www.russiablog.org...]

191 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:15:21am

re: #161 Charles

Turned on Rush for five minutes, heard some Russian screaming at Rush, and Rush screaming back, ... and turned it off, neither seemed to be making a lick of sense.

And was that the Russian ambassador to the US or UN on Charly Rose last night, going on about the Russian peacekeepers? Only listened to a little, but Rose seemed to be grinding him back pretty hard, for Rose.

The neo-Soviets are in full propaganda mode, that example of the Pravda response to Max Boot was the crudest stuff I've seen in decades.

Yes, there is something going on.

192 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:15:35am

re: #70 CheDub

Maybe a little OT, but this could be real interesting...

U.S.-Russia Naval Exercise May Be Canceled

Are you kidding me. The exercise is called FRUKUS.

193 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:15:44am

At the start of this I questioned if Georgia had provoked the Russian Bear, but after reading VDH's article in here yesterday, theres no question, Russia is on the move and needs to be stopped.

I just hope the EU has the Balls to back us up.

194 cod_is_great  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:15:54am

re: #179 galloping granny

"they would not have stopped when they did if they had not been facing the US Army."
Hence my point.

195 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:22am

re: #161 Charles

I am being barraged with emails attacking "La Russophobe," by the way, and screaming that I'm being unfair to the Discovery Institute. They're angry and raging that I've posted La Russophobe's article connecting the DI's Russia Blog with the "Russia Today" propaganda channel.

There's something very very stinky going on here. They may think they're going to intimidate me into shying away from the topic with these tactics, but it's achieving exactly the opposite.

I've also noticed several posters here pulling similar things here. Yawning at threads and saying that we need to drop things and move on.

I think this is a pretty coordinated effort.

196 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:26am

re: #56 faraway

I'm surprised one of the Clintons has not issued a statement.

Just waiting for after the fact, so they can say exactly the correct thing.

197 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:27am

re: #183 Golem Akbar

I notice that most of the Russian women are Ukrainians. hmmmm


Yes, they are doing something right there......

198 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:34am

re: #187 jcm

Sorry for going off topic. This will steer the conversation in the right direction.

199 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:01am

re: #185 Bubblehead II

Minuteman missile might be visible in pre-dawn launch

and

Unarmed Minuteman 3 intercontinental ballistic missile was successfully launched From Calif. Base.

The ICBM was launched at 1:01 a.m. PDT and its three unarmed re-entry vehicles traveled about 4,220 miles over the Pacific Ocean to targets near the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, an Air Force statement said.

I am sure this was planned well in advance of the current confrontation with Russia, but it still send a powerful message.

Heh heh heheheheheh. That makes me smile.

200 SoftS  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:21am

Yesss!
God bless America!
God bless president Bush!

Thanks from Latvia a Georgia ally. Instead of Georgia might been Latvia or other country - so thanks to U.S.

201 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:25am

re: #161 Charles

I am being barraged with emails attacking "La Russophobe," by the way, and screaming that I'm being unfair to the Discovery Institute. They're angry and raging that I've posted La Russophobe's article connecting the DI's Russia Blog with the "Russia Today" propaganda channel.

There's something very very stinky going on here. They may think they're going to intimidate me into shying away from the topic with these tactics, but it's achieving exactly the opposite.

They don't know you very well, do they?

202 pegcity  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:28am

re: #193 Maximu§

I just hope the EU has the Balls to back us up.

Thats a good one, i needed a good laugh

203 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:47am

It's 3 AM and Lord Obama is vacationing in Hawaii.

204 Sol Roth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:57am

I'm listening to Bush on C-SPAN giving his earlier pronouncement. There is zero hesitation in his cadence and absolute, direct resolve in his pronouncements. He means what he says.

Rice is meeting with Sarkozy before going onto Tblisi in order to coordinate a unified message with France leading the cease-fire effort. She will give a presser at 1500 hours EST on C-SPAN.

If Russia doesn't stop and pull back, IMHO, Ukraine should be admitted into NATO tomorrow. 50,000,000 Ukrainians ready to kick ass would be a nice chess move.

205 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:18:13am

re: #180 funky chicken

I still can't wrap my head around the DI connection with Soviet style propagandists. It's surreal.

No less surreal than the DI connection with radical Islamists. The DI is being used as a useful idiot by the experts in the field. The enemy of my enemy is definitely still an enemy of me when it comes to radical Islam and Russian Imperialism.

206 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:18:37am

re: #173 bulwrk

You're absolutely correct. That's a much, much better analogy.

207 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:18:47am

re: #186 cod_is_great

Russian women are more expensive to keep up than the presidential yacht.

And the ride is much more turbulent.

208 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:18:48am

re: #190 Charles
Sorry Charles, I've no intention of going over there.
I'm more than happy to take your word for it.

209 Macker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:01am

re: #167 lawhawk

Economic mess at home = military adventurism abroad. Nothing brings together the Russians like a good war.

I'm sure the left will recognize that aforementioned statement. Because they always trot it out when dealing with the US and its defense. Here, it stings all the more since it is true. The Russians weren't attacked, and invaded Georgia claiming to protect the rights of the South Ossetians Sudetens of Russian Origin. Yet, they're doing more than protecting the South Ossetians Sudetens of Russian Origin, but pushing right to destroying the Georgian government and taking out Georgian towns all over the place.

There, fixed that for ya!

210 opnion  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:10am

Isn't it convenient that the House & Senate are on recess?
You just know that Dem leadership does not waant to comment.
They want to see how events play out & more than anything where public opnion is.
If they can turn this to political advantage they will, national welfare be damned.

211 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:27am

Condi is meeting with France.

France will be assisting the Russians in waving the white flag.

/ couldn't resist

212 Clubsec  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:45am

I hope they send a truck load of Javelin missiles and some anti-tank gunners. This would help with the Russian tank infestation they are experiencing in that part of the world.
As we say in the missile business: "Shoot the missiles, we'll make more."

213 Charles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:47am

Meanwhile, as the world teeters on the brink of war, Fox News is pushing their non-stop coverage of Caylee Anthony.

Disgusting.

214 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:54am

"the risk of making a fetish of democracy promotion"

re: #190 Charles

So it's a fetish now?! Who the hell are these people!

215 kuffar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:01am

re: #152 realwest

Democracy or not, if they initiated without provocation, then Russian response is justified. Sorry. Just because it is a democracy doesn't give them a free pass.

Is it Russian apologism to ask 'Who started this?"

216 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:34am

re: #200 SoftS

Yesss!
God bless America!
God bless president Bush!

Thanks from Latvia a Georgia ally. Instead of Georgia might been Latvia or other country - so thanks to U.S.

((((((SoftS))))))

217 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:50am

re: #195 Mars Needs Neocons Indeed, very coordinated. I have this really BAD feeling that there is a whole lot more going on with and in this situation than we know about right now.

218 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:21:36am

re: #213 Charles

Meanwhile, as the world teeters on the brink of war, Fox News is pushing their non-stop coverage of Caylee Anthony.

Disgusting.

Not everyone is interested in the Russia story.

219 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:22:00am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

The L³eft win when America loses. This is the equation that they are operating on, and that we should judge their actions based on. They want this to blow up and America to be disgraced.

Then Obama wins. At least in their minds. I don't think it will work out that way in practice.

220 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:22:16am

re: #213 Charles

Meanwhile, as the world teeters on the brink of war, Fox News is pushing their non-stop coverage of Caylee Anthony.

Disgusting.

I've had the east coast version on all morning. They are giving the Georgian situation about 50% of the coverage.

/I do wish they would focus less on missing children. Particularly Greta. She seems to focus on nothing at all ever other than missing white girls.

221 Dizzy26  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:22:28am

I'm too old for all this excitement.......

I am also praying that Puta has no stones for a bold response.

I am not too old to squeeze slowly without breathing however!

222 cod_is_great  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:22:55am

re: #207 Ford_Prefect

A friend of mine was trying to pick up a Russian chick in a bar. He almost sealed the deal until she found out he drove a Ford Ranger.

223 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:23:04am

re: #213 Charles

Meanwhile, as the world teeters on the brink of war, Fox News is pushing their non-stop coverage of Caylee Anthony.

Disgusting.

A good example of why I stopped watching FNC a while back. The rest of the "news" channels or the alphabet networks was decades ago.

224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:23:09am

re: #193 Maximu§

I just hope the EU has the Balls to back us up.

Hello, you must be new here. We call this planet Earth.

225 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:23:14am

The first US C-17 has landed in Tblisi...no link yet...

226 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:23:30am

re: #213 Charles

Meanwhile, as the world teeters on the brink of war, Fox News is pushing their non-stop coverage of Caylee Anthony.

Disgusting.

Who?

227 pegcity  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:13am

re: #220 galloping granny

One pretty white girl to the MSM is equal to a million dead Africans.

228 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:23am

re: #225 Spider Mensch

The first US C-17 has landed in Tblisi...no link yet...

Where are you hearing this, at least.

229 Sol Roth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:28am

re: #213 Charles

Meanwhile, as the world teeters on the brink of war, Fox News is pushing their non-stop coverage of Caylee Anthony.

Disgusting.

They've got a lady in Moscow and a male reporter in Georgia. Yet, we get polluted with human- interest stories. Is their daytime viewer demographic that shallow? (Ize gonna watch muh stories afore Ize goze tah 7-11 for sum cigarettes...)?

230 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:34am

re: #215 kuffar

Democracy or not, if they initiated without provocation, then Russian response is justified. Sorry. Just because it is a democracy doesn't give them a free pass.

Is it Russian apologism to ask 'Who started this?"

Would the Americans have been justified in invading Iraq and eliminating Saddam Hussein simply because he took over Kuwait back in 1991? Supposing that Georgia did initiate the whole kerfluffle, it's an analogous situation. In any event, that does not give Russia any latitude to invade a sovereign country, much less one that poses no active threat to Russia (as opposed to Iraq, whose ties to terrorism and dangerous weapons are well-documented).

231 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:34am
Bush said he is sending Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to meet with in France with French President Nicolas Sarkozy

Oh good, I feel so much better now.

232 Catttt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:36am

re: #3 Sizzlack

This entire thing is getting so damn aggravating. And the Messiah is still no where to be found/seen/heard from.

He must be sh**ing a brick right now trying to figure out how to deal with this.

Lol.

Better he should evacuate masonic building material now, so that the USA can see how hapless he is and not vote him into office.

233 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:11am

re: #222 cod_is_great

A friend of mine was trying to pick up a Russian chick in a bar. He almost sealed the deal until she found out he drove a Ford Ranger.

Gotta love capitalism. It is all about supply and demand. Few hot Russian women, lots of guys with Ford Rangers.

234 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:20am

re: #215 kuffar

Democracy or not, if they initiated without provocation, then Russian response is justified. Sorry. Just because it is a democracy doesn't give them a free pass.

Is it Russian apologism to ask 'Who started this?"

Kind of late for it as the situation between Russia and Georgia has been going on for several years now and Russia has made specific threats to grind into dust any of their former satellite countries that considered hosting the US missile shield.

The only people who seem to be asking that question are those too lazy to look up the history.

And then there is the size difference - Mother Russia versus a little country the size of Vermont? Do you really have any questions about who the aggressor might be?

235 pegcity  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:24am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

In canada they had a CBC story last night on a beluga whale for 10 minutes.

236 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:30am

re: #215 kuffar It is if it isn't accompanied by mentioning the ASTOUNDING coincidence that Russia had ALL THOSE TANKS and MECHANIZED INFANTRY and ARTILLERY and that NAVAL Squadron just sitting right on the border with Georgia.

237 misfit138  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:41am

#119

Eff Richard...we need Glenn!

[Link: images.search.yahoo.com...]

238 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:44am

re: #228 Silhouette

Where are you hearing this, at least.


Fox website headline...

239 cod_is_great[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:46am
240 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:18am

re: #200 SoftS


Thanks from Latvia a Georgia ally. Instead of Georgia might been Latvia or other country - so thanks to U.S.

Well put, and thanks. All of our Baltic friends have good reason for concern, as well as the Moldovans, Armenians and Azerbaijanis. Russia is interested in tidying up its imperial hem, and Georgia happened to have drawn the short straw. Gazprom didn't have an ownership stake in that fat oil pipeline before, but I bet it will now. Hope they choke.

241 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:23am

re: #116 kuffar

The question I have is did the Georgians really move into South Ossetia and Abkhazia without provocation. If they did... Let Georgia hang.

If South Ossetia and Abkhazia did give Georgia cause, i.e. Seperatist Forces did attack Georgia proper, different matter.

If Georgians didn't actually move, Russians are pulling what amounts to Operation Himmler.

Russia has a long history of using the agent provocateur, to start shit like this. Give them "plausible deniablity" so to speak. Russian has been stirring the Ossetia pot for for a while. This little expedition into Georgia wasn't just throw together in response to Georgia, it's been in the works waiting for the excuse to go.

242 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:26am

re: #218 MandyManners

Not everyone is interested in the Russia story.

Which is a bit worrisome since this is has potential to be a lot more due to the players involved. I'd say the Georgia-Russia situation is far more important on the world stage now than almost anything else.

243 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:31am

It is week 3 of the GOP folks holding the fort (in our US Capitol) in their revolt against Pelosi's dereliction of duty re: drilling here & now.

Energy Supply = National Security.

244 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:38am

First Russian learned in high school freshman russian language class way back in 1974

руки вверх - Hands Up.

245 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:42am

re: #227 pegcity

One pretty white girl to the MSM is equal to a million dead Africans.

Bullshit. 500,000 tops.

246 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:50am

re: #238 Spider Mensch

Fox website headline...


here...
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

247 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:00am

What is the common goal of the Disco Institute and Soviet propagandists? Who's funding whom? And why? The relationship is undeniable but all the explanations I can think of are far fetched. Anyone have any ideas?

248 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:00am

re: #122 Ford_Prefect

Whenever it appears here - or on Limbaugh - it surprises me.

249 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:01am

re: #114 Dianna

The astonishing thing (to me) is how many Russian propagandists exist in this country.

You mean like the NY Slimes, most college faculty, etc.?

250 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:21am

re: #225 Spider Mensch

The first US C-17 has landed in Tblisi...no link yet...

Wow. That was quick.

251 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:40am

re: #229 Sol Roth

They've got a lady in Moscow and a male reporter in Georgia. Yet, we get polluted with human- interest stories. Is their daytime viewer demographic that shallow? (Ize gonna watch muh stories afore Ize goze tah 7-11 for sum cigarettes...)?

My screen is showing a SnS in the top right corner with a feed from Georgia. And the ticker. Perhaps there simply is nothing new to say right this second.

252 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:46am

President Bush demands Russia get out of Georgia

By MATTHEW LEE – 11 minutes ago


A U.S. C-17 military cargo plane loaded with supplies landed in Georgia on Wednesday, and Bush said that Russia must ensure that "all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, roads and airports," remain open to let deliveries and civilians through.

253 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:28:03am

re: #229 Sol Roth


Is their daytime viewer demographic that shallow?

Have you ever watched daytime TV? The answer is yup.

254 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:28:03am

rush has a great edwards spoof going

255 saberry0530  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:28:06am

re: #244 Big Steve

First Russian learned in high school freshman russian language class way back in 1974

руки вверх - Hands Up.

Thought that was said with a Fwench accent?

256 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:28:17am

re: #250 Occasional Reader

Wow. That was quick.

It was in route before GWB gave the speech.

257 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:28:24am

Who the hell is Caylee Anthony?

258 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:28:33am

re: #185 Bubblehead II

Minuteman missile might be visible in pre-dawn launch

and

Unarmed Minuteman 3 intercontinental ballistic missile was successfully launched From Calif. Base.

The ICBM was launched at 1:01 a.m. PDT and its three unarmed re-entry vehicles traveled about 4,220 miles over the Pacific Ocean to targets near the Kwajalein Atoll in the Marshall Islands, an Air Force statement said.

I am sure this was planned well in advance of the current confrontation with Russia, but it still send a powerful message.

One of the bullet points being, "We don't need to photoshop."

259 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:04am

You all need to quit worrying, the International Court of Justice in Hague is putting together a strong letter of condemnation.

260 Tigger2005  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:20am

I hope they stamp "humanitarian aid" on lots of boxes of Stingers and anti-tank weapons.

261 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:33am

re: #255 saberry0530

Thought that was said with a Fwench accent?

No the French version is:
Не блин - Don't shoot

262 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:36am

re: #250 Occasional Reader

Wow. That was quick.

I think that's part of the message: we can reach your troops faster than you can.

263 Mars Needs Neocons  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:36am

The stick strikes swiftly around here. Word to the wise.

264 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:37am

We just have to talk with them... Understand their feelings and hope that they will change and see the light...

It's not like Russia really wants to bring Georiga back under its empire... Or Ukraine... Come on now, don't be silly... That notion is as silly as the notion of terrorism being real...

/

265 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:38am

re: #259 Maximu§

You all need to quit worrying, the International Court of Justice in Hague is putting together a strong letter of condemnation.

Wappner would be more frightening.

266 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:39am

WSJ nails it:

First Yukos, Then Georgia

Now the world is getting an idea of what a "war for oil" really looks like. Few in the West appreciate the degree to which Vladimir Putin and the Soviet, er, Russian, elite subscribe to a prewar view of power relations and national greatness. Their view is not based on self-reproducing institutions and innovation and the power of trade, but on territory and resources -- lebensraum, as one of their intellectual progenitors called it.

Whatever the pretexts and emotional resonances, the Republic of Georgia, transit territory for two important energy pipelines, was also a challenge to Mr. Putin's pursuit of power through control of energy supplies, especially for home heating, to Western Europe.

Western governments and Western oil executives have played an unwise role in Mr. Putin's plan. No amount of contract abrogation, outright seizure of property or subsidiary mayhem by Russian authorities seems able to dissuade them from throwing good money after bad in pursuit of Russian resources. Western minority shareholders in Yukos were wiped out with nary a peep when the Russian government seized the oil company on tax charges. There's been virtually no official pushback as environmental offenses were alleged as a reason to squeeze Western partners out of various drilling and pipeline projects after billions of dollars were committed.

Indeed, with what breezy confidence Mr. Putin must have turned Western oil companies into his political punching bags, knowing that back home Western politicians (Nancy Pelosi, Byron Dorgan, Dick Durbin, etc.) were doing exactly the same in pursuit of their own narrow and shortsighted political quests.

267 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:29:51am

re: #247 Killgore Trout

My feeling is that it's all funded - and they don't need to pay much - by the Russians. FSB surely didn't let all the KGB's contacts lapse.

268 Partisan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:13am

re: #215 kuffar

"Democracy or not, if they initiated without provocation, then Russian response is justified."

Did Georgia attack anything within Russia?

269 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:23am

re: #248 Dianna

Whenever it appears here - or on Limbaugh - it surprises me.

I guess that speaks for how much of a 'glass half full' person you are. I envy that.

270 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:27am

Obama has a real dilemma.

He must appear to say the opposite of McCain and Bush, but the opposite of what they are saying is so clearly wrong and/or weak to any voter watching. He can't come out in support of Russia. He can't appeal to the UN (again- there is only so much collassal ignorance of UNSC membership that the MSM can ignore for him). And he can't keep talking about how both sides are equally wrong.

What a pickle he is in, trying to look presidential when being presidential actually requires knowledge, decision, and leadership instead of platitudes and assurances of oceans receding and planets healing.

271 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:27am

re: #243 alegrias

It is week 3 of the GOP folks holding the fort (in our US Capitol) in their revolt against Pelosi's dereliction of duty re: drilling here & now.

Energy Supply = National Security.

And this is a perfect illustration of that. If the Russians take that pipeline then they have monopoly control over nearly all of the oil and gas supply into Europe. He who owns a monopoly control on the energy supply to Europe controls Europe unequivocally.

272 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:27am

re: #265 Kosh's Shadow

Wappner would be more frightening.

Judge Judy

273 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:48am

another interesting bit of info off of ynet, very interesting..
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

274 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:19am

More ripple effects: Poland, US ready for more missile defense talks.

WARSAW, Poland (AP) — Polish and U.S. negotiators begin further talks Wednesday on a proposed U.S. missile defense system, a meeting where the fighting between Russia and Georgia was certain to loom large.

Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Tuesday the attacks in Georgia justified Poland's demand for additional security guarantees if it accepts a U.S. installation.

275 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:22am

re: #243 alegrias

It is week 3 of the GOP folks holding the fort (in our US Capitol) in their revolt against Pelosi's dereliction of duty re: drilling here & now.

Energy Supply = National Security.

Amazingly I don't hear about this on the nightly news...

276 Thanos  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:28am

I've been wondering about those test ICBM launches. Thor via ICBM is completely possible.

277 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:40am

re: #64 Kosh's Shadow

He should have waited until after the election. Now, he's likely pushed more people into the McCain camp.


Uh-oh!
I feel a KosKommie "I question the timing" moment coming on.

278 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:53am

re: #261 Big Steve

No the French version is:
Не блин - Don't shoot

What was that one phrase they said all tourists to Russia should learn? Oh yes,

"Why am I being arrested?"
279 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:01am

re: #259 Maximu§

You all need to quit worrying, the International Court of Justice in Hague is putting together a strong letter of condemnation.

Isn't that with Superman and Wonder Woman?

280 mpax  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:02am

There's something about August in the Balkans...

281 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:08am
"You have heard the statement by the US president that the United States is starting a military-humanitarian operation in Georgia," Saakashvili said in a television address. "It means that Georgian ports and airports will be taken under the control of the US defense ministry in order to conduct humanitarian and other missions.


ynet

282 kuffar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:14am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Stop with the Hyperbole. I said a response is justified, not necessarily this one. And even then, Regime change may very well be justified if there are a series of incidents ala Saddam.

I heard that Shaka guy (before the Russians 'responded') was sending troops into South Ossetia because they had taken attacks from Ossetia, but I can't track down reports that coroborate what he says.

I just wanna know, what the frak is going on.

283 Tigger2005  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:40am

By the way, I love this move by Bush and I support it wholeheartedly. American boots and military equipment on the ground, but to deliver humanitarian aid...what are the Russkis supposed to say? And the Georgians will see American troops and the American flag on their soil. This is Bush's Berlin airlift. Where can I send my money?

284 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:43am

re: #268 Partisan

"Democracy or not, if they initiated without provocation, then Russian response is justified."

Did Georgia attack anything within Russia?

Yup Georgia is a real threat to Soviet Russia, what with all of 7, yup count em, 7 battle tanks. Yeah, with over 3000 battle tanks, Soviet Russia really had alot to fear?

285 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:54am

Russia wasn't provoked. Russia had been stoking and provoking the South Ossetians in Georgia for a while. They were sabotaging Georgian federation. Georgia finally got fed up. Can't blame 'em.

286 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:18am

re: #283 Tigger2005

This is Bush's Berlin airlift. Where can I send my money?


johnmccain.com

287 Grand Poobah  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:29am

re: #69 anotherindyfilmguy

The US rebuilt it's military in a very short time in WW2... if the Russian oil money has been getting poured into the military it could be quite formidable. On the other hand the operation has been run so quickly as to avoid having to deal with US combat troops/world opinion... just hoping that where it looks like someone may have miscalculated on the number of troops needed to make the whole thing end quickly enough before any form of international aid (read US intervention) in the matter starts is a correct gut feeling...

It's not just "rebuilding" the army. You can't rebuild an army in even 5 years, it's the constant development and testing of hardware; that's why we've yet to have F-35 aircraft come into service, and it's doubtful if they will ever arrive in service. The Russian army included little troop transports with machine guns, reminiscent of Mussolini's armored car folly; of course the news media doesn't pick up on that, and labels everything a "tank" because if it has wheels and has a machine gun, it must be a tank.

At any rate, in this case, it's not just that, but the whole lack luster performance of the Russian army as a whole.

288 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:32am

re: #278 CIA Reject

Почему у меня подверг& #1085;уться аресту

289 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:33am

re: #249 Kosh's Shadow

Incorrect - free range marxists (of whom there are thousands) are not identical with Russian propagandists.

The popularity of the notion of a "multilateral" world is a demonstration of the weak-mindedness of the free-range marxists, as is the religion of environmentalism. This Russian propaganda is a different animal. Some of it's pure reflex and moral equivalence, but the rest of it? The lies about time line, the drumbeat of blame the Georgians?

That's different.

290 anotherindyfilmguy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:48am

re: #227 pegcity

I've noticed a tendency of fox to spotlight what is a local news item to national level and obsess on it to a point of ludicrousness to the detriment of reporting national and worldwide/larger stories...

291 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:57am

re: #258 CyanSnowHawk

One of the bullet points being, "We don't need to photoshop."


Yes. And it's funny how no one has mentioned our "Boomers" - nuclear powered subs, LOADED with MREV's missles - out there, somewhere, but with targets entered and sitting silently, waiting for orders that I pray will never be issued.
Russia STILL has an opportunity to get out of this mess having made it's point very well; I hope they don't choose to push that point any further.

292 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:09am

re: #288 Big Steve

Почем у у меня подве ргнут ься арест у

children, stop whispering

293 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:17am

re: #282 kuffar

Stop with the Hyperbole. I said a response is justified, not necessarily this one. And even then, Regime change may very well be justified if there are a series of incidents ala Saddam.

I heard that Shaka guy (before the Russians 'responded') was sending troops into South Ossetia because they had taken attacks from Ossetia, but I can't track down reports that coroborate what he says.

I just wanna know, what the frak is going on.

Nice back-pedalling.

294 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:25am

re: #275 tfc3rid

Amazingly I don't hear about this on the nightly news...

Let's play the game, imagine the press coverage if the Dems were holding the fort down in the face of a GOP controlled house shut down.

295 Sol Roth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:46am

re: #251 galloping granny

My screen is showing a SnS in the top right corner with a feed from Georgia. And the ticker. Perhaps there simply is nothing new to say right this second.


It gives us a chance to surf other outlets in any case. CSPAN 1 is focused on the issue with a Russia Today feed right now.

296 Saif al Kufr  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:57am

Hi Charles,

I just want to say that although I took issue with the La Russophobe blog yesterday for its sophomoric content and unhinged commentary, both you and La Russophobe are right to be intrigued by the "Russia Blog"-Discovery Institute connection.

I think the connection here is the Russian Orthodox Church, which is both rabidly Russian nationalist and staunchly anti-modern (i.e. anti-evolution). It seems that the DI has successfully courted religious obscurantists of all stripes - Russian Orthodox, Evangelical, radical Islamist, etc.

297 Liechtentrager  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:58am

re: #161 Charles

Hey, if the Russians can wage cyberwar against Georgia, surely they can spare the time to send a few nastygrams your way, Charles.

I hope that "humanitarian aid" includes a few anti-aircraft missiles.

298 Charles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:59am
299 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #267 Dianna

That's possible. Let's suppose it's true now I'm left wondering why. Is it a plan to weaken America by destroying science education? It just seems nutty. Of all the things the Soviets could do to destroy us this seems like a pretty implausible plan.

300 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:59am

re: #286 faraway

johnmccain.com

More specifically, here.

301 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:01am

re: #241 jcm

Russia has a long history of using the agent provocateur, to start shit like this. Give them "plausible deniablity" so to speak. Russian has been stirring the Ossetia pot for for a while. This little expedition into Georgia wasn't just throw together in response to Georgia, it's been in the works waiting for the excuse to go.

Same tactics they used against Chechnya. Now that was/is a conflict with no good guys, but still....that apartment fire in Moscow blamed on Chechnya? Classic KGB - so classic it was cliche, but everyone had to go along with it. Now the same is being employed in Ossetia.

302 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:32am

re: #204 Sol Roth

Rather then NATO paperwork, I would get an advanced team from SACEUR in, schedule a major combined arms exercise (... to identify doctrine, material, and training deficiencies ... etc) and start deploying PAC Patriot batteries.

Call a NATO summit and invite the Ukrainians.

Anyone figure out where the Russian Black Sea fleet is going to refuel without taking Tbilisi?

303 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:36am

re: #283 Tigger2005

By the way, I love this move by Bush and I support it wholeheartedly. American boots and military equipment on the ground, but to deliver humanitarian aid...what are the Russkis supposed to say?

This does look like some brilliant jujitsu by the allegedly dumb, inarticulate cowboy.

304 Thanos  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:05am

re: #296 Saif al Kufr

Hi Charles,

I just want to say that although I took issue with the La Russophobe blog yesterday for its sophomoric content and unhinged commentary, both you and La Russophobe are right to be intrigued by the "Russia Blog"-Discovery Institute connection.

I think the connection here is the Russian Orthodox Church, which is both rabidly Russian nationalist and staunchly anti-modern (i.e. anti-evolution). It seems that the DI has successfully courted religious obscurantists of all stripes - Russian Orthodox, Evangelical, radical Islamist, etc.

Bingo

305 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:13am

re: #230 thedopefishlives

Would the Americans have been justified in invading Iraq and eliminating Saddam Hussein simply because he took over Kuwait back in 1991? Supposing that Georgia did initiate the whole kerfluffle, it's an analogous situation. In any event, that does not give Russia any latitude to invade a sovereign country, much less one that poses no active threat to Russia (as opposed to Iraq, whose ties to terrorism and dangerous weapons are well-documented).

How can you equate the two situations?

306 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:16am

re: #296 Saif al Kufr

I think the connection here is the Russian Orthodox Church, which is both rabidly Russian nationalist and staunchly anti-modern (i.e. anti-evolution).


Good point.

307 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:33am

re: #270 Silhouette

Obama has a real dilemma.

He must appear to say the opposite of McCain and Bush, but the opposite of what they are saying is so clearly wrong and/or weak to any voter watching. He can't come out in support of Russia. He can't appeal to the UN (again- there is only so much collassal ignorance of UNSC membership that the MSM can ignore for him). And he can't keep talking about how both sides are equally wrong.

What a pickle he is in, trying to look presidential when being presidential actually requires knowledge, decision, and leadership instead of platitudes and assurances of oceans receding and planets healing.


3am call indeed. . .this is probably as close to one as we are going to see pre-election.

Fortunately for Obama (and the rest of the world), he has no actual responsibility here. He doesn't have to formulate policy or execute it.

So he can turn his attention to the purely political matter of making himself look good.

308 Catttt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:38am

re: #257 godfrey

Who the hell is Caylee Anthony?

You don't want to know.

309 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:43am

re: #294 Silhouette

Let's play the game, imagine the press coverage if the Dems were holding the fort down in the face of a GOP controlled house shut down.

Gallant democrats... Heroes for our time... Standing up for Joe citizen...

The usual crapola...

310 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:52am

re: #303 Occasional Reader

Hopefully, he's as "dumb" as Reagan. Let's hope.

311 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #252 jcm

President Bush demands Russia get out of Georgia

By MATTHEW LEE – 11 minutes ago

A U.S. C-17 military cargo plane loaded with supplies landed in Georgia on Wednesday, and Bush said that Russia must ensure that "all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, roads and airports," remain open to let deliveries and civilians through.

That's actually a very gutsy,smart move by Bush. I salute him.

Maybe Condi just woke up and realized she's been an idiot for the past year, this is supposed to be what she's good for.

312 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

Which is a bit worrisome since this is has potential to be a lot more due to the players involved. I'd say the Georgia-Russia situation is far more important on the world stage now than almost anything else.

313 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:37:02am

re: #288 Big Steve

Почем у у меня подве ргнут ься арест у

Thanks!

314 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:37:24am

So NOW they have a democratic talking head on Fox saying that in this situation what you need is bipartisan consensus. "McCain has been making partisan remarks against Obama in this."

315 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:37:28am

re: #287 Grand Poobah

The Russian army included little troop transports with machine guns, reminiscent of Mussolini's armored car folly

There's nothing wrong with armored troop transports with mounted machine guns; we have 'em, too. It's just not a good idea to roll them unsupported against a well-armed enemy.

316 beblebrox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:37:40am

re: #186 cod_is_great

tell me about it. my russian woman has cost me virtually everything i have, up to and including my sanity.

317 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:37:56am

re: #271 galloping granny

And this is a perfect illustration of that. If the Russians take that pipeline then they have monopoly control over nearly all of the oil and gas supply into Europe. He who owns a monopoly control on the energy supply to Europe controls Europe unequivocally.

* * *
Yes, Putin's one oil grabbing greaseball, and it's all his--he takes it from his own countrymen if they get in his way. Like Hugo Chavez.

OPEC and RUSSIA aren't exactly our best buds historically. Turn off the spigot and even democrats squeal about inflating tires.

I want our friends in this hemisphere to get their Petroleos Mexicanos and Canadian Oil rigs humming.

318 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:03am

CBSNews Headline tonight: Bush leads world with 21st century Berlin Airlift into Georgia

319 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:05am

re: #282 kuffar

You want to know about pre-invasion. Read La Russophobe's summary and its links.

320 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:07am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

The resurgence of nationistic movements in Europe came to my mind also.

321 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:11am

re: #271 galloping granny

And this is a perfect illustration of that. If the Russians take that pipeline then they have monopoly control over nearly all of the oil and gas supply into Europe. He who owns a monopoly control on the energy supply to Europe controls Europe unequivocally.

Putin takes over the majority of the European supply and then Islamists/Wahabists do the same for the majority of Middle Eastern supply.

I would love to be proved to be a pessimist in that this would never happen. Time to spell it out exactly what would this mean to the average American.

322 mpax  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:11am

re: #300 Fat Jolly Penguin

More specifically, here.

In addition, download the GOP toolbar. Just searching through that portal I've added a 1.33 in just a couple of days. Not a lot, but it all adds up.

323 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #188 FurryOldGuyJeans

There has also been an ongoing cyber war against Georgian interests and government servers by Russian hackers for quite some time before the invasion. This invasion was planned for a long time by Putin.

Obviously the Russians have been planning this thing for a long time. But that is even more reason for us to be very cautious in our response for a while yet.

I thank God that Bush isn't as stupid as an awful lot of folks on the web who have been screaming to send all the B2s out of Whiteman to bomb Russian troops on the ground. Or to send all of our assets out of Iraq to our (now much smaller than they were) bases in Turkey to go on the attack. Never mind that Turkey won't give permission.....

sigh

The Bush Administration response has been good so far, IMHO. I hope they continue to do so well, and hope our strong allies in "New Europe" continue their outstanding work.

324 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:21am

The humanitarian aid move is what a REAL human shield looks like. The Russians say they aren't over-running the country - Fine - We'll test that theory by covering the place in American troops. And woe to the Russian that fires on American troops.

Reminds me of the constant US naval presence in Taiwan (fire at them, you fire at us. And you don't want to fire at us).

Also reminds me of the move by the submarine Dallas in The Hunt for Red October, to get between the torpedo and the October and get the torpedo to target them.

325 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:27am

re: #282 kuffar

Except the Russians had to have been prestaging the equipment for weeks or months beforehand to move in so much, so fast. Plus, the Geogians have been dealing with separatist forces in both regions with funding & kit from "unknown sources" for years. Can we say "entrapment"?

326 Thanos  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:28am

re: #298 Charles

LR Translations: Commissars of the Internet.

Charles, This is one reason I keep asking for flags. If we could click on someone's profile and see the country they are coming from it would be helpful. Since the most common flags need only be stored in cache it shouldn't be too much of a suck of sys resources to put a small flag gif on profiles. Yeah there are ways to defeat that, but it would be helpful I think.

327 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:32am

re: #215 kuffar

If you seriously have to ask 'who started this'-you have a problem.

328 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:50am

re: #280 mpax

Huh?

329 Macker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:14am

re: #235 pegcity

In canada they had a CBC story last night on a beluga whale for 10 minutes.

Was that on The National? Is Peter Mansbridge still reading the news on that show?

330 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:15am

re: #242 Honorary Yooper

Which is a bit worrisome since this is has potential to be a lot more due to the players involved. I'd say the Georgia-Russia situation is far more important on the world stage now than almost anything else.

I was chatting with a woman in line at the store on Saturday about the hundreds of dead in Georgia. The cashier overheard us and flipped out thinking we were talking about the State of Georgia. We explained what was going on and mentioned the pipeline at one point. The cashier sniffed "Oh, oil" and turned off her ears. I'm still shaking my head.

331 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:24am

Bush is sending Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice?

Georgia is doomed.

332 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:30am

re: #287 Grand Poobah

we've yet to have F-35 aircraft come into service, and it's doubtful if they will ever arrive in service

And I do hope you're mistaken about that.

333 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:34am

re: #275 tfc3rid

Amazingly I don't hear about this on the nightly news...

* * *
Nancy Pelosi & C-SPAN turned off the lights & the mikes so you have to look elsewhere (FOX news, The Hill.com, etc. for news of the GOP folks agitating for energy independence on Capitol Hill while Nancy Pelosi is on her lousy book tour)

334 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:36am

re: #322 mpax

Is that a good idea?

It's one thing to add toolbars within a MySpace environment, it's another to muck up your workstation. I really, really wondered about that when I saw it.

335 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:48am

re: #324 Silhouette

The humanitarian aid move is what a REAL human shield looks like.

So true. Great observation.

336 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:50am

re: #292 faraway

children, stop whispering

иди к чёрту - pronounced edi k chortu

337 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:56am

re: #287 Grand Poobah

And it isn't just the equipment. The US military was made of professional, serious soldiers, sailors, and airmen. They came up with ways to train and absorb new recruits quickly, and make them into proper soldiers.

The Russian military is known for hazing, bullying, and generally mistreating its recruits. That entire attitude would need to change. Besides, a good part of its military would be needed to keep those ahead from running.

338 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:39:59am

re: #320 scottishbuzzsaw

But how does that tie into the Disco Institute? Why would they be interested in pushing nationalist movements? What's in it for them?

339 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:07am

For those unfamiliar with the real background to this, read Ralph Peters' piece from yesterday. Here's one relevant section:

Let's be clear: For all that US commentators and diplomats are still chattering about Russia's "response" to Georgia's actions, the Kremlin spent months planning and preparing this operation. Any soldier above the grade of private can tell you that there's absolutely no way Moscow could've launched this huge ground, air and sea offensive in an instantaneous "response" to alleged Georgian actions.

As I pointed out Saturday, even to get one armored brigade over the Caucasus Mountains required extensive preparations. Since then, Russia has sent in the equivalent of almost two divisions - not only in South Ossetia, the scene of the original fighting, but also in separatist Abkhazia on the Black Sea coast.

The Russians also managed to arrange the instant appearance of a squadron of warships to blockade Georgia. And they launched hundreds of air strikes against preplanned targets.

Every one of these things required careful preparations. In the words of one US officer, "Just to line up the airlift sorties would've taken weeks."

340 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:11am

re: #330 MandyManners

I was chatting with a woman in line at the store on Saturday about the hundreds of dead in Georgia. The cashier overheard us and flipped out thinking we were talking about the State of Georgia. We explained what was going on and mentioned the pipeline at one point. The cashier sniffed "Oh, oil" and turned off her ears. I'm still shaking my head.

Long way of saying that some people just done care 'cause it's beyond their imagination.

341 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:19am

re: #215 kuffar

Democracy or not, if they initiated without provocation, then Russian response is justified. Sorry. Just because it is a democracy doesn't give them a free pass.

Is it Russian apologism to ask 'Who started this?"

I really, really hope you read up on this a bit.

342 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:20am

re: #305 MandyManners

There is no equating the two. They are analogous on the face of it - one country invades some territory, a much larger country counterattacks to undo the aggression. My point was, if the Georgians initiated the attacking, they would be in the position of the Iraqis in the 1991 conflict, having invaded Kuwait (even though Kuwait is a sovereign nation in and of itself, as opposed to Ossetia). That would place the Russians in the position of the Americans (hypothetically speaking), and their current actions would be like if we hadn't stopped at the border in '91. I'm not saying the facts are anywhere near equivalent, but there is a very limited analogy that can be drawn.

343 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:24am

re: #311 itellu3times

Maybe Condi just woke up and realized she's been an idiot for the past year, this is supposed to be what she's good for.

She was a national treasure before August/07?

344 mpax  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:40am

re: #328 Dianna

Huh?

The suggestion was made to contribute to McCain. I said in addition to contributions one might download the GOP toolbar. When you do a web search a few cents are contributed to McCain.

345 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:54am

Oy vey. Let's hope "I'm sending Condi to France" translates into "I want to keep her as far as hell away from my command centre as possible".

346 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:57am

re: #309 tfc3rid

What's more, you'd actually hear about it. The GOP stand isn't making the news at all. Go ahead, quiz the next 20 people you see.

347 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:41:06am

re: #283 Tigger2005

By the way, I love this move by Bush and I support it wholeheartedly. American boots and military equipment on the ground, but to deliver humanitarian aid...what are the Russkis supposed to say? And the Georgians will see American troops and the American flag on their soil. This is Bush's Berlin airlift. Where can I send my money?

* * *
Thank a military family today. Thank ANY military person.

348 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:41:13am

re: #344 mpax

The suggestion was made to contribute to McCain. I said in addition to contributions one might download the GOP toolbar. When you do a web search a few cents are contributed to McCain.

Where does the money come from?

349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:41:34am

re: #337 Kosh's Shadow

And it isn't just the equipment. The US military was made of professional, serious soldiers, sailors, and airmen. They came up with ways to train and absorb new recruits quickly, and make them into proper soldiers.

The Russian military is known for hazing, bullying, and generally mistreating its recruits. That entire attitude would need to change. Besides, a good part of its military would be needed to keep those ahead from running.

Thats why the guys at the rear get the machine guns, to make sure the guys in front don't turn around.

350 Saif al Kufr  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:41:54am

re: #306 Killgore Trout

And you can tell, on the "Russia Blog" banner, the most prominent thing is Orthodox church domes.

Anybody know what skyscraper that is on the banner?

351 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:03am

re: #327 WriterMom

If you seriously have to ask 'who started this'-you have a problem.

It's clear the Russians started it, but I'm still rather vague whether these Russian charges of the Georgians shooting up civilians as the trigger, really happened.

I think that's what the screamer on Rush was trying to say.

352 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:04am

re: #296 Saif al Kufr

Hi Charles,

I just want to say that although I took issue with the La Russophobe blog yesterday for its sophomoric content and unhinged commentary, both you and La Russophobe are right to be intrigued by the "Russia Blog"-Discovery Institute connection.

I think the connection here is the Russian Orthodox Church, which is both rabidly Russian nationalist and staunchly anti-modern (i.e. anti-evolution). It seems that the DI has successfully courted religious obscurantists of all stripes - Russian Orthodox, Evangelical, radical Islamist, etc.

Hmmmm.

353 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:14am

re: #307 looking closely

Hey. Can we leave Obama alone please. I mean the guy is on vacation for crying out loud. Campaigning is hard work you know. You can't expect the guy to be available 24/7/365. He needs his rest. He needs his alone time with the wife and family. The rest of the world will just have to wait until he is done boogie boarding and drinking mai tai's.

354 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:16am

re: #4 Sizzlack

blinks? or drinks?

If they go home and drink that would be fine by me.

355 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:23am

re: #270 Silhouette

Obama has a real dilemma.

He must appear to say the opposite of McCain and Bush, but the opposite of what they are saying is so clearly wrong and/or weak to any voter watching. He can't come out in support of Russia. He can't appeal to the UN (again- there is only so much collassal ignorance of UNSC membership that the MSM can ignore for him). And he can't keep talking about how both sides are equally wrong.

What a pickle he is in, trying to look presidential when being presidential actually requires knowledge, decision, and leadership instead of platitudes and assurances of oceans receding and planets healing.

Saying the wrong thing has never stopped him before.

Is georgia the 58th state.

356 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:41am

Who posted that video yesterday of Obama's mouthpiece (a Congressman, I believe) asserting that "Russia has complied with Senator Obama's demand that they stand down," or something similar.

I'd love to see that again, but can't find it.

357 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:47am

re: #339 Irene NYC

Exactly.

358 mpax  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:42:58am

re: #348 Fat Jolly Penguin

Where does the money come from?

No idea.

359 CynicalConservative  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:00am

OT: Just heard this on Rush and saw it on FOX (ugh)

Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Injured in Shooting

360 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:16am

re: #348 Fat Jolly Penguin

Where does the money come from?

One would assume advertisers based on traffic flow generated.

361 kuffar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:20am

Why were all those Russian ground forces ready to go in? Chechnya is just a stone throw away. You know, Checnya, a warzone. It is a pretty explosive region and as the local authority, Russia would have ground forces nearby.

We had ground troops in Germany that were sent south to the Balkans during the 90s during the Wars in the Former Yugoslav.

I am all for supporting Democracy... With one caveat, unwarranted aggression is unwaranted aggression regardless if it is a Dictatorship or a Democracy that initiates it.

362 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:39am

So let me get this straight:

Russia is now a country dominated by amoral realpolitik robber baron oil and gas capitalist plutocrat types with imperial ambitions, and they've just invaded a sovereign nation, for the coarsest of economic reasons, and are brutally killing civilians, flipping the bird at international bodies, and showing no signs of stopping or remorse.

And yet, no lefties are running to Tbilisi to act as human shields.

I am shocked. Shocked, I say.

363 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:42am

re: #277 Hooray for Captain Spaulding

you know that rove and putin are thick as inkleweavers

364 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:46am

re: #359 CynicalConservative

OT: Just heard this on Rush and saw it on FOX (ugh)

Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Injured in Shooting


Cheney's loose again?

365 Charles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:48am

re: #326 Thanos

Charles, This is one reason I keep asking for flags. If we could click on someone's profile and see the country they are coming from it would be helpful. Since the most common flags need only be stored in cache it shouldn't be too much of a suck of sys resources to put a small flag gif on profiles. Yeah there are ways to defeat that, but it would be helpful I think.

It's a good idea, and I've considered it, but maintaining a database of IP-to-country mappings would be a real headache. And it's not infallible -- there would inevitably be some false results, and that could lead to serious misunderstandings.

366 Saif al Kufr  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:53am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

If those nationalist movements had a religious component, DI would probably seek alliance with them.

367 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:53am

Ed Morrisey is usually pretty sharp but I think he's wrong on this one....
Sovereignty wars

I warned in March about the folly of recognizing Kosovo, especially over the strenuous objections of Moscow and the Serbs. In fact, I specifically noted that Georgia would be next, although I thought Russia would target Abkhazia first for its strategic Black Sea position. Georgia made that same assumption in May.

It isn’t just a matter of precedent, either. This is at least in part payback for the West thumbing its nose at Russia while it dismembered the Balkans over the last 13 years. Russia and Serbia have traditionally been close allies, and the suppression of Serbian sovereignty produced a completely predictable result.

He does raise some interesting questions but there are just wars. Certain movements should be supported and others rejected. I think it's a mistake to treat all independence movements equally.

368 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:10am

re: #318 farawayCBS headline? Hardly.
"Bush pushes us to the Brink of WWIII" is more likely.

369 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:12am

re: #332 Occasional Reader

I think he is the Navy needs them bad, whats holding things up is the VTOL variant and the export licensing.

370 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:12am

re: #346 Silhouette

What's more, you'd actually hear about it. The GOP stand isn't making the news at all. Go ahead, quiz the next 20 people you see.

Right, so it doesn't matter and the Dems will still gain 20 seats in November...

It's a damn shame because for once the GOP is standing up...

371 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:13am

re: #299 Killgore Trout

An old Soviet trick was to have supposedly uninvolved outlets for propaganda. Usually, it was fairly unsophisticated material, and easily spotted, but not always, and it got a lot better in the last 12 years or so of the Soviet regime.

372 scottishbuzzsaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:16am

re: #338 Killgore Trout

But how does that tie into the Disco Institute? Why would they be interested in pushing nationalist movements? What's in it for them?

First thought is the involvement of the Dominionist/Reconstructionist sect at DI. Afterall, they believe that America is theirs for the rebuilding along their religious beliefs.

Still pondering...

373 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:27am

re: #288 Big Steve

Почем у у меня подве ргнут ься арест у

Die Америке собака

374 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:29am

re: #321 FurryOldGuyJeans

better get that oil shale up and running.

I'd guess the dems are in real trouble in the US Senate races in CO and NM right now, where the oil obstructionist wanker Udall cousins are running against strong conservative opponents.

375 Nevergiveup  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:40am

re: #356 Cognito

Who posted that video yesterday of Obama's mouthpiece (a Congressman, I believe) asserting that "Russia has complied with Senator Obama's demand that they stand down," or something similar.

I'd love to see that again, but can't find it.

I think it was the Governor of Virginia.

376 JHW  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:44am

Somewhat related to what Charles posted in #298:
Putin's Opponents are Made to Vanish From TV

Shades of Stalin's pre-Photoshop tricks with photographs.

377 mpax  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:55am

re: #356 Cognito

Who posted that video yesterday of Obama's mouthpiece (a Congressman, I believe) asserting that "Russia has complied with Senator Obama's demand that they stand down," or something similar.

I'd love to see that again, but can't find it.

Try this one:Tim Kaine

378 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:59am

re: #350 Saif al Kufr

Anybody know what skyscraper that is on the banner?


Good question. It's very distinctive.

379 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:13am

re: #365 Charles

but maintaining a database of IP-to-country mappings would be a real headache.

geoip

380 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:14am

re: #351 itellu3times

It's clear the Russians started it, but I'm still rather vague whether these Russian charges of the Georgians shooting up civilians as the trigger, really happened.

I think that's what the screamer on Rush was trying to say.

Georgia "started it," that that's irrelevant language in this case.

You step on my toe. So I move into your house, eat all your food, spend your money, and harass your wife.

Who started it?

381 sparrowlake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:38am

re: #345 WriterMom

Oy vey. Let's hope "I'm sending Condi to France" translates into "I want to keep her as far as hell away from my command centre as possible".

Maybe Sarkozy can give her a special walking tour of the entire Tour de France route.

382 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:50am

Good afternoon All, Take a look at this:
Report: Judge Says University Can Deny Course Credit to Christian Graduates Taught With Creationism Texts

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

383 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:53am

re: #362 godfrey

So let me get this straight:

Russia is now a country dominated by amoral realpolitik robber baron oil and gas capitalist plutocrat types with imperial ambitions, and they've just invaded a sovereign nation, for the coarsest of economic reasons, and are brutally killing civilians, flipping the bird at international bodies, and showing no signs of stopping or remorse.

And yet, no lefties are running to Tbilisi to act as human shields.

I am shocked. Shocked, I say.

Are you crazy? The Russians would kill us! If it was the Americans, we get to go on Good Morning America and Oprah.

/LLL

384 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:56am

re: #343 sparrowlake

She was a national treasure before August/07?

She must have done something worthwhile to have been in line for the Secretary of State position she's been abusing recently. A year, two, who's counting? She's no bureaucrat, she's not even a statesmanperson, but she might be a strategic consultant worth listening to. Now, if her information is clear and up to date, that's another question, if she tries to manage this with ten year old facts, that would be a disaster.

But I like that C-17 landing in Tbilisi.

Course, that could be Gates.

385 Catttt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:13am

re: #356 Cognito

Who posted that video yesterday of Obama's mouthpiece (a Congressman, I believe) asserting that "Russia has complied with Senator Obama's demand that they stand down," or something similar.

I'd love to see that again, but can't find it.

If I were Barry, I'd have hidden the video by now.

386 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:14am

re: #291 realwest

What's even more funny is that I saw this story (missile test) earlier on either the Fox or CNN web site and now it is gone. I had to do a G**gle search just to find it again.

387 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:17am

re: #285 godfrey

Russia wasn't provoked.

Really, if a hostile foreign power around you built or was going to build military bases around you would you tolerate it? Isn't this just a pathetic and last ditch response by Russia to the NATO expansion eastwards aka encirclement. Would you tolerate it in
your own backyard?

388 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:19am

re: #355 Eowyn2

Saying the wrong thing has never stopped him before.

Is georgia the 58th state.

Is that North Georgia or South Georgia? Or is it East and West? Old, New? Damn, I need an Atlas.

389 Suihei Deloi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:20am

re: #351 itellu3times

I don't think anyone would be able to tell you one way or the other, but here's the results.

390 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:34am

re: #353 Ford_Prefect

Hey. Can we leave Obama alone please. I mean the guy is on vacation for crying out loud.


Fine by me. I'd be thrilled and delighted to leave him entirely out of this mess permanently.

391 pegcity  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:39am

re: #318 faraway

Yeah right more like, Obama goes boogeyboarding, more at 10.

392 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:45am

re: #377 mpax

Try this one:Tim Kaine

Yes! That's a particularly piquant flavor of crow.

393 bulwrk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:51am

re: #349 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Wasn't Stalin the one who said that in the Soviet army it took more courage to retreat than it did to advance?

394 alegrias  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:10am

re: #321 FurryOldGuyJeans

Putin takes over the majority of the European supply and then Islamists/Wahabists do the same for the majority of Middle Eastern supply.

I would love to be proved to be a pessimist in that this would never happen. Time to spell it out exactly what would this mean to the average American.

* * *
$40-50-60-70-80 dollar gas?

WAKE UP CALL.

CALLING ALL AMERICANS who only care about gas...
PUTIN'S grabbing for your wallet through Georgia.

395 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:17am

re: #326 Thanos

Charles, This is one reason I keep asking for flags. If we could click on someone's profile and see the country they are coming from it would be helpful. Since the most common flags need only be stored in cache it shouldn't be too much of a suck of sys resources to put a small flag gif on profiles. Yeah there are ways to defeat that, but it would be helpful I think.

There are enough apologists/propagandists for Russian Imperialist Aggression outside Russia to make the flag system nigh on null and void. I just let the comments and spin tell me all I need to know.

396 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:32am

re: #375 Nevergiveup

I think it was the Governor of Virginia.

Oh, you mean The Obama's running mate?

397 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:41am

re: #282 kuffar

The Abkhazians and South Ossetians are both classified as "aspirant peoples", according to Flags of Non-Independent and Aspiring Peoples, which includes them among 202 different identifiable world populations seeking independence. And yes, that would be independence from Georgia. All three have, at various times, been part of Russia or the Soviet Union, but all three, by international agreement, are now non-Russian. Kind of like Alaska. Once again: South Ossetia and Abkhazia are part of Georgia, some Ossetians and Abkhazians wanted to secede from Georgia, and Georgia disagreed. Russia doesn't figure in. Not legally.

398 de La Valette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:48am

re: #241 jcm

I believe it was waiting for another news event to provide cover; Olympics, US strike on Iran, big terrorism incident, etc. Given cover - something would have happened to provide a proverbial trigger.

I think the Georgians knew this, took it to the US embassy - were told no way by some State guys.

399 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:56am

re: #362 godfrey

So let me get this straight:

Russia is now a country dominated by amoral realpolitik robber baron oil and gas capitalist plutocrat types with imperial ambitions, and they've just invaded a sovereign nation, for the coarsest of economic reasons, and are brutally killing civilians, flipping the bird at international bodies, and showing no signs of stopping or remorse.

And yet, no lefties are running to Tbilisi to act as human shields.

I am shocked. Shocked, I say.


It all depends on how the msm spins it. If they spin the evil russian bear blood for oil analogy, then moonbats will show up. However, the MSM will spin this in a "Mother Bear Russia just wants to keep georgia from becoming a decadent democratic republic with greedy big oil torturing the osetians (or whatever they're called.)

400 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:16am

re: #361 kuffar

Why were all those Russian ground forces ready to go in? Chechnya is just a stone throw away. You know, Checnya, a warzone. It is a pretty explosive region and as the local authority, Russia would have ground forces nearby.

We had ground troops in Germany that were sent south to the Balkans during the 90s during the Wars in the Former Yugoslav.

I am all for supporting Democracy... With one caveat, unwarranted aggression is unwaranted aggression regardless if it is a Dictatorship or a Democracy that initiates it.

You are sure spouting off as if you know what you're talking about. You keep asking "who started it." Find out for yourself. You just want to contradict comments here - log off LGF and start doing your own research. Come back with facts and data to support your position and you won't look like the idiot you do now.

401 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:17am

re: #351 itellu3times

whether these Russian charges of the Georgians shooting up civilians as the trigger, really happened.

The Russians are asking a lot of our gullibility to accept the story that they were SO upset over Georgians firing at civilians that, in order to stop the firing at civilians, the Russians bombed the hell out of civilians.

402 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:22am

re: #356 Cognito

Who posted that video yesterday of Obama's mouthpiece (a Congressman, I believe) asserting that "Russia has complied with Senator Obama's demand that they stand down," or something similar.

I'd love to see that again, but can't find it.

Actually, it was VP shortlister Governor Kaine of Virginia. They had it over at hotair.com.

And then they had the contrast video of Pawlenty's response to the same question. oooooo Kaine looked even worse after that.

403 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:24am

re: #38 Sizzlack

Russia is like the guy that shows up to the party late and drinks a ton in 10 minutes to try and catch up to everyone else. Then before you know it he's on the front lawn fighting three people, which is then followed by a lot of throwing up and passing out in the garage.

There used to be a problem at Minicon (Minnesota Science Fiction Convention) where a bunch of college guys would pay the at the door membership fee and then drink up all the free beer and act like they owned the place.

404 Macker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:05am

re: #373 jcm

Die Амери ке собак а

Speaky English!

405 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:19am

Obama’s mandatory volunteerism starts NOW!

Obama worshipers may already be feeling a bit of buyers’ remorse.

Turns out that those who snapped up free tickets to his big convention speech at Invesco Field will have to volunteer for six hours. And they’re whining about it to the press.

406 pegcity  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:24am

re: #393 bulwrk

yup, because in Stalingrad death was only 98% assured fighting, where as retreating it was 100% guaranteed.

407 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:26am

I'm sure that the Red Army troops are following the strictest of rulesof engagement, similar to what our troops have to follow in Iraq...

408 eaglewingz08  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:31am

I want to know why the CIA, the NSA and the DIA have not seen the buildup that had to occur over the past month in Russia that was necessary to support this 'instantaneous' war? Whoever had this info and didn't pass it on should be given reassignment as there is no telling what other information these people now have but are sitting on.

As for the Obamanation he will obviously have to cut his travels to Hawaii short and go immediately to Moscow and have a tete a tete with Putin and Medvedev who upon being in the same room with the lightworker will immediately cease all war in Georgia, withdraw all their troops from the region and apologize to Georgia and the world for this misadventure.

409 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:29am

re: #371 Dianna

An old Soviet trick was to have supposedly uninvolved outlets for propaganda.

Otherwise known as the "Columbia University faculty lounge".

410 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:47am
- John McCain's chief foreign policy adviser and his business partner lobbied the senator or his staff on 49 occasions in a 3 1/2-year span while being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars by the government of the former Soviet republic of Georgia.
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The payments raise ethical questions about the intersection of Randy Scheunemann's personal financial interests and his advice to the Republican presidential candidate who is seizing on Russian aggression in Georgia as a campaign issue.


AP article

411 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:57am

re: #399 Eowyn2

It all depends on how the msm spins it. If they spin the evil russian bear blood for oil analogy, then moonbats will show up. However, the MSM will spin this in a "Mother Bear Russia just wants to keep georgia from becoming a decadent democratic republic with greedy big oil torturing the osetians (or whatever they're called.)

The outlets I've seen have done a fair job covering this, and have actually taken criticism from some quarters for being biased against Russia.

So it's really, really time to move beyond the media blame game. There's conflict afoot.

412 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:51:11am

re: #391 pegcity

Yeah right more like, Obama goes boogeyboarding, more at 10.

Breaking news - Obama has dreamy eyes! Details at 11.

413 Irene NYC  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:51:50am

Well, I think the humanitarian aid is brilliant. It doesn't just block the Soviets Russians, but the MSM will find it harder to portray Bush as the arrogant, rogue cowboy acting unilaterally. But, I've been wrong before about the MSM....

414 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:11am

re: #406 pegcity

yup, because in Stalingrad death was only 98% assured fighting, where as retreating it was 100% guaranteed.

Sucked to be an officer as well. Stalin purged most of the officer corps in the 30s for not being good Commies, replacing them with good party members. Then when the war broke out, he purged the party members for not being good officers.

415 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:13am

Please ding me down at #410

416 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:31am

re: #387 Westward Ho

Correct. Russia was not provoked to invade.

Georgia had no ambitions to annex territory north of the Caucasus and had neither desires nor plans to conduct raids. Russia's fear of Georgia was the general fear of having any kind of rival on its border.

Russia had everything to gain from stoking South Ossetian resistance and then igniting a blaze it could then swoop in to smother.

That's what happened. Georgia defended its federation militarily, and this was all the "provocation" Russia was waiting for.

417 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:37am

re: #401 Silhouette

The Russians are asking a lot of our gullibility to accept the story that they were SO upset over Georgians firing at civilians that, in order to stop the firing at civilians, the Russians bombed the hell out of civilians.

Even the conventional wisdom recognizes this was a Russian provocation of Georgia, going back several years, and that having two divisions show up after rolling through mountain passes, took months of planning and logistics.

That the neo-Soviets don't just admit the preparation and long-term grievances, however bogus, makes them ridiculous by modern standards. Does Putin really think that kind of disinformation is going to succeed in a cell phone, satellite, Internet world? We all have freakin' photocopiers and printers in our *homes* now, Vlad babe (for any yutes reading here and mystified: Soviets used to limit and license xerox machines, they were *scared* of them!)

418 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:44am

re: #405 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obama’s mandatory volunteerism starts NOW!
Obama worshipers may already be feeling a bit of buyers’ remorse.

Turns out that those who snapped up free tickets to his big convention speech at Invesco Field will have to volunteer for six hours. And they’re whining about it to the press.

To quote the great 20th-Century philosopher Nelson Muntz, "Haw-haw!"

419 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:44am

re: #413 Irene NYC

Well, I think the humanitarian aid is brilliant. It doesn't just block the Soviets Russians, but the MSM will find it harder to portray Bush as the arrogant, rogue cowboy acting unilaterally. But, I've been wrong before about the MSM....

They will find a way... They will say that it is America's 'trojan horse'...

420 Sol Roth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:44am

I posted this article this morning in the Links about Google "disappearing" the features in Georgia's map. They are truly a loathsome outfit.

[Link: blog.foreignpolicy.com...]

As if Georgia didn't have enough to deal with, yesterday the country's cities and transportation routes completely disappeared from Google Maps. Reportedly wanting to keep its cyber territory conflict-neutral, Google removed all of Georgia's details from its maps, making the war-torn nation look like a ghostly white blob flanked by Russia and Turkey. Georgia, though, isn't the only country going blank on Google: neighboring Armenia and Azerbaijan--who have their own ongoing terrorital dispute over the Nagorno-Karabakh region--are coming up empty too.

421 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:46am

Is there connection between the Kurdish PKK’s bombing of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC) pipeline in Turkey & the Russian invasion of Georgia 72 hours later? Let’s keep in mind that the PKK is a communist group - the Kurdistan Worker’s Party - and therefor the type of rebel group that stays near Putin’s KGB heart.

422 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:48am

re: #373 jcm

Die Амери кk