Not good.

Prayers for his recovery.

Ugh. Why do people have to be so STUPID?

I hope the man is able to recover and that his attacker suffers an appropriate penalty for his dumbassness.

Prayers going out for Mr. Gwatney.

Wonder how long until unsubstantiated claims that it's all Bush's or Rush's fault...

Hmmmm...it doesn't look like a random act of violence or a robbery attempt.

A prayer for his survival and speedy recovery.

Holy f**king sh*t.

Prayers for him and his family.

He is a white guy that was shot by another white guy.

He was a Clinton supporter.

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

A few more details....
UPDATED: Bill Gwatney Shot at Arkansas Democratic Party HQ

Officers told the CBS affiliate that police pursued a white male suspect in his 40's, driving a pickup truck, into Grant County. KTHV reported that officers apprehended him in Sheridan, and that he was shot during his capture.

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

Campaign contr. list shows he gave $$ with employer listed as Gwatney Chevrolet/Car Dealer

I pray for his speedy recovery. Hillary needs all the delegates she can get at the convention. I read that the supposed suspect was shot, maybe that's inoperative now?

One witness said the man came into the headquarters at 10 minutes before noon and asked for Gwatney before allegedly shooting him three times, KTHV said.

Wow.

Hopefully the attacker, vehicle and maybe even license plate were caught on video, and he can be apprehended quickly.

prayers for health and his family.

Good grief.

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Hopefully the attacker, vehicle and maybe even license plate were caught on video, and he can be apprehended quickly.

They've caught and shot him, apparently.

I'm proud that Charles can post a story like this & not have to turn off the comments, unlike Huff Puff & Koz when any violence or illness happens to conservatives.

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Hopefully the attacker, vehicle and maybe even license plate were caught on video, and he can be apprehended quickly.

They've already caught him, after a 25-mile car chase.

Bill Gwatney

Bill Gwatney, as a superdelegate, has endorsed Hillary Clinton for President.

What do you bet it's unrelated to politics?

Fargin Bastages! Here's to a speedy recovery and swift justice!

Prayers for his recovery.

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Good. I wonder if this was political or personal.

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

Ah yes, here we go. He's the son of Harold Gwatney, who started car dealerships in Little Rock and Jacksonville, AR, and Memphis, TN. Bill Gwatney runs Gwatney Chevrolet in Jacksonville.

re: #23 itellu3times

Could be. Bad business deal, jealous husband, something like that.

Here is hoping that the victim is alright and the idiot shooter isn't.

Violent nutjobs are really coming out of the woodwork lately. That beheading with cannibalism in Canada, ROP and non-ROP knife-wielding maniacs in China, the guy planning to assassinate Obama and Bush, now another wanna-be assassin.

re: #23 itellu3times

What do you bet it's unrelated to politics?

Very likely. Doesn't seem like someone trying to send a political message.

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Hmmmm...it doesn't look like a random act of violence or a robbery attempt.

definately not since he asked specifically for the guy.

asked to speak with Gwatney

/personal grudge

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Bill Gwatney

Is this the motive?

re: #19 Cognito

They've caught and shot him, apparently.

Hopefully, not in that particular order...

Good that he's caught, either way.

re: #24 WeddingGuy

Fargin Bastages! Here's to a speedy recovery and swift justice!

They still have some gallows in Fort Smith, used by the hanging judge there in territorial days.

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

Yes.

Just astounding - FOX news DID REPORT that it was a Black man who shot him and was arrested at the scene!
Geez, what a day!

Reports are that the shooter was shot during capture.

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Very likely. Doesn't seem like someone trying to send a political message.

Let's wait for the dust to clear before making assumptions.

re: #28 joncelli

Could be. Bad business deal, jealous husband, something like that.

its arkansas. it would have to be an extraordinarily bad business deal.

superdelegate for hillary

:( hate to hear this.

re: #34 Kenneth

If it's political it could be a far left nut or a far right nut. It might have been personal. Maybe he was sleeping with someone's wife or sold somebody a bad car. Anything's possible.

re: #42 willowone

Obama supporter?

re: #38 realwest

Just astounding - FOX news DID REPORT that it was a Black man who shot him and was arrested at the scene!
Geez, what a day!

that's gonna be ugly, if true.....

dunno, i doubt even they would do something like this as bizzare as they are

So, lets give convicted felons the vote, shall we?

in fact i don't even want to go there

re: #44 Killgore Trout

If it's political it could be a far left nut or a far right nut. It might have been personal. Maybe he was sleeping with someone's wife or sold somebody a bad car. Anything's possible.

Nonsense. Obviously this is a Bushitlerco False Flag Operation to...

...oh, never mind.

/

(I hope for justice and recovery here... Random personal shootings are miserable and cowardly)

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

You have no way of knowing what the shooter's motivation was, so why blame it on politics?

re: #51 looking closely
i'd ding you up 10 if i could

It's way too early to start speculating on a cause.

re: #46 redc1c4

that's gonna be ugly, if true.....

the article says a white man.

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Indeed.

re: #52 maddogg
haha, i might be getting ods myself : } kidding, we'll know facts in a few days. bad for us to jump now i think

Not sure what I mean by "random personal shooting" there... Odd turn of phrase, almost oxymoronic. I meant that if you're going to fight a guy, fight him face to face, off of work hours, without any damned guns... I hate this narcissistic gangster shit. Shoot a guy, start a chase, get caught, your mom goes on TV and says you're innocent, the guy you shot has three kids or something... Same old stupid crap. For what?

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

It's way too early to start speculating on a cause.

Indeed. Any speculation at this point -- in any regard -- is pretty baseless.

Waiting for facts.

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

I agree that the calls for violence are disgusting, but we don't know what his motives are yet.

re: #40 Ford_Prefect

Let's wait for the dust to clear before making assumptions.

I would think if it were political, he would have shot more people at the headquarters. Since he went in and shot just one person, I'm assuming it was personal.

Just my opinion.

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

Why do people call for violence to elected officials.
I could understand that if we lived in a country which did not allow us to vote for a choice (the lesser of two weavils) but really, we can and have voted people out of office.

re: #52 maddogg

You have no way of knowing what the shooter's motivation was, so why blame it on politics?

Read my post again. I didn't blame anyone.

I'm saying that repeatedly calling for violence against elected officials (which does NOT apply to this man, who AFAIK doesn't hold elected office) is bad.
Get it?

For all we know, it was a crackhead doing a mugging.

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

re: #64 maddogg

For all we know, it was a crackhead doing a mugging.

No, the initial facts seem pretty clear. Shooter asked to see the victim. Secretary stopped him. He went in anyways to shoot the victim and ran. No random incident or other crime. The shooter had a specific target in mind.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

that is getting old isnt it, i wish they would just report whne its figured out instead of each fart these people make...

Not the first time there's been violence at campaign offices this election season either. Last November there was a hostage incident at Clinton's NH offices where the nut claimed to have a bomb. That situation ended peacefully.

Sadly, that's not the case here.

Not sure what the motive in today's shooting is, but thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

re: #63 looking closely

Read my post again. I didn't blame anyone.

I'm saying that repeatedly calling for violence against elected officials (which does NOT apply to this man, who AFAIK doesn't hold elected office) is bad.
Get it?

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought your post was remotely connected to the topic of discussion.

I'm very curious about the motive. It makes no sense politically. Could be a personal grudge. Could be a business issue. Could have to do with Arkansas voter regulations that Gwatney couldn't do anything about.

Prayers for him and his family.

I'm timing the question.

re: #7 X-ray

A prayer for his survival and speedy recovery.

Amen, I hope they catch the POS who shot him.

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would think if it were political, he would have shot more people at the headquarters. Since he went in and shot just one person, I'm assuming it was personal.

Just my opinion.

according to the article, he went into the office, asked to see the man, and when the secretary said no, he went in anyway and started shooting. that doesnt sound like a drive-by to me either.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

Her grandmother found Natalee Holloway.

re: #59 Cognito

Indeed. Any speculation at this point -- in any regard -- is pretty baseless.

Waiting for facts.

But when you have the facts, it is too late for speculation.

Just making a funny. I too have no idea is this was "random", personal, political, or other, and don't think guessing helps at all here. Prayers for the gentleman attacked, his family, and for the police as they try to sort all this out.

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That seem s like pretty sound reasoning. Let's hope the victim comes out alright. While I badly want to see the Dems humiliated at the polls, I don't want to see them shot (unless they shoot first, of course).

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, the initial facts seem pretty clear. Shooter asked to see the victim. Secretary stopped him. He went in anyways to shoot the victim and ran. No random incident or other crime. The shooter had a specific target in mind.

OK. Not random. I stand corrected.

Good lord, why do people do stupid things like this, I will never understand it. This is America not a nation where he who shoots the wins power. This gives all of America a black eye, when we are supposed to be the country that is famous and looked to in awe throughout history for our peaceful political process and transfers of power. Hope the chairman is going to be all right.

[Link: wcco.com...]

The secretary described the man as in his 40s and white and drove off in a blue truck.

re: #62 Eowyn2

Why do people call for violence to elected officials.

I could understand that if we lived in a country which did not allow us to vote for a choice (the lesser of two weavils) but really, we can and have voted people out of office.

Its a sign of basic distrust of the electoral system (and often simply immaturity).

It isn't it interesting that those who most often claim the electoral system is being abused, are the quickest to advocate the worst abuse of all. . .political violence?

And in case my implication isn't clear, I was alluding to bloggers who frequently make comments about public officials getting terminally ill, dying, or being killed. (As a rule, they frequent political blogs other than this one).

re: #71 JammieWearingFool

I'm timing the question.

six minutes and 32 seconds

re: #68 lawhawk

Not the first time there's been violence at campaign offices this election season either. Last November there was a hostage incident at Clinton's NH offices where the nut claimed to have a bomb. That situation ended peacefully.

We had a drive-by shooting at the Bush headquarters during the last election cycle. This a week after "vandals" had painted a body outline (as in dead body) on the parking lot outside.

re: #55 Eowyn2

the article says a white man.

and the AP is *never* wrong...... things are always confused at this point in an event.

Bill Gwatney owns multiple dealerships. After I got out of the Army I worked for a short period in the car business. Threats over bad car deals were fairly common and a _lot_ of people carried for exactly that reason.

Too early to say if this was because of his support for HRC or political at all.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

Caylee's grandmother shot Gwatney? Now I'm confused.

/

Why is it so often the mother or grandmother gets on TV to say her boy couldn't possibly be guilty, because he's a good boy? My mother once told me, if I ever committed a crime, she'd be the first one to turn me in because she raised me better than that. I feel the same way about my kids. Are we bad people?

re: #72 Maximu§

Amen, I hope they catch the POS who shot him.

i'll drink to that.....

/you have message traffic

re: #83 redc1c4

and the AP is *never* wrong...... things are always confused at this point in an event.

Really, Hells bells, I ought to start reading more AP articles. Then I'd always know the right from the wrong.

Seriously, my statement was to inform, inform that we dont know whether the shooter is black, white, hispanic (maybe that will be the CNN take) or a German Shephard. We can probably assume male because well, at least two reports did state that the shooter was a man.

re: #84 Quilly Mammoth

Bill Gwatney owns multiple dealerships. After I got out of the Army I worked for a short period in the car business. Threats over bad car deals were fairly common and a _lot_ of people carried for exactly that reason.

Too early to say if this was because of his support for HRC or political at all.

Wow.

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

Bill Clinton will be the first to go to the mattresses.

re: #79 RTLM
a chevy?

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

not in the least bit funny or cute

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

PETA will pitch a hissy fit if any horses are harmed.

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

Bill Clinton will be the first to go to the mattresses.

that is funny

re: #92 willowone

a chevy?

With a Gwatney emblem on the back?

re: #69 maddogg

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought your post was remotely connected to the topic of discussion.

It is remotely connected, and I'm slightly changing the topic. See above.

I condemn this attack regardless of its motivation (which is at the moment unclear), but relevant to this blog , I'm making the point that wishing people dead is really inappropriate.

Remember this?

re: #86 doppelganglander

Why is it so often the mother or grandmother gets on TV to say her boy couldn't possibly be guilty, because he's a good boy? My mother once told me, if I ever committed a crime, she'd be the first one to turn me in because she raised me better than that. I feel the same way about my kids. Are we bad people?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I told my mother that if I ever snapped and committed some kind of heinous crime, that she was not allowed to go on TV and say I was innocent. I told her that she should only say that they did the best they could, and that they evidently failed, and that if I was found guilty and locked up, that I earned my punishment fair and square.

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Shooter is already apprehended.

dunno if anyone wants to wade threw this muck. but here it is. Charles might slap (or boot my rear)me but i looked up deleagte threats and here i Landed [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...] bizzare and doubtful

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

The Chicago Mob vs. the Dixie Mafia?

re: #98 Pawn of the Oppressor

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I told my mother that if I ever snapped and committed some kind of heinous crime, that she was not allowed to go on TV and say I was innocent. I told her that she should only say that they did the best they could, and that they evidently failed, and that if I was found guilty and locked up, that I earned my punishment fair and square.

What if you WERE innocent?
/(Or clearly she is supposed to know you better than that!).

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

I did a rather graphic "picture this" post on that subject a couple of weeks ago, but stinky plowed in under PDQ:)

Guess it was a tad gruesome.

re: #88 Eowyn2

Really, Hells bells, I ought to start reading more AP articles. Then I'd always know the right from the wrong.

Seriously, my statement was to inform, inform that we dont know whether the shooter is black, white, hispanic (maybe that will be the CNN take) or a German Shephard. We can probably assume male because well, at least two reports did state that the shooter was a man.

re: #93 Eowyn2

not in the least bit funny or cute

tacky? yes.
tasteless? yes.
black humor? yes..........

/of course i smiled when i read it. %-)

re: #97 looking closely

Acknowledged.

re: #104 redc1c4

ignore the #88 part.

/damn PC %-)

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war.

Obama did refer to the "Chicago way", but IMO this is over the top.

Paris anti-Semitic T-shirt probe

French prosecutors have opened an investigation after T-shirts carrying anti-Semitic slogans were seen on sale in a shop in Paris.

The tops carried slogans in German and Polish that translate as "Jews forbidden from entering the park".

They were reproduced from Nazi signs from 1940 that targeted the Jewish community in the Polish town of Lodz.

Some 95% of more than 200,000 Jewish people there would die in concentration camps during World War II.

snip

The neighbourhood of Belleville in eastern Paris has been the site of ongoing scuffles between groups of Jewish youngsters and youths of North African origin.

France has one of the largest Jewish communities outside Israel, numbering about half a million people.

JEWS and who?

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

Amen,
And if the ballots don't work out ... hang tight.
I know how it works WA the governorship was stolen, we just redoubled our efforts.

For those interested, the body of the Declaration of Independence sets the criteria for going to the bullet option.

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

Prayers for him and his family. just because he's om the wrong side of the fence doesn't mean we have any less sympathy.

I just gotta comment that the difference between the comments here and the hate filled bile at kos couldn't be starker. For comparison, I offer the following re: kos: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #74 JammieWearingFool

Her grandmother found Natalee Holloway.

Jimmy Hoffa had her?
/

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Oh, shit.

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

Mr. Kettle, I notice you are a bit black non-reflective today.

-Pot.

re: #88 Eowyn2

Really, Hells bells, I ought to start reading more AP articles. Then I'd always know the right from the wrong.

Seriously, my statement was to inform, inform that we dont know whether the shooter is black, white, hispanic (maybe that will be the CNN take) or a German Shephard. We can probably assume male because well, at least two reports did state that the shooter was a man.

that's pretty much what i was saying: there are conflicting reports, everyone's adrenaline is flowing, and sometimes, things get garbled..... hence the "24 hour rule"..... i wasn't criticizing you.

re: #5 Rogue198

Wonder how long until unsubstantiated claims that it's all Bush's or Rush's fault...

In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Nodrog gets his account back......

re: #115 Fat Jolly Penguin

Oh, shit.

My thoughts exactly JP

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

Same for the Kos Kidz, although not all of them, surprisingly.

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Those who are so gung-ho for security cameras on every corner shouldn't be upset by a little gov'ment oversight of the internet, should they?

re: #100 willowone

dunno if anyone wants to wade threw this muck. but here it is. Charles might slap (or boot my rear)me but i looked up deleagte threats and here i Landed [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...] bizzare and doubtful

Thread about the shooting here. Lots of NObama types there.

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

Wow.

Welcome to Arkansas...

/Bangin in Lil Rock

re: #122 Dianna

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

LOL, Don't you understand by now? Facts mean nothing, its feelings which count.

re: #116 looking closely

Mr. Kettle, I notice you are a bit black non-reflective today.

-Pot.

I don't understand

Anti-Israel Media Bias

So, what I wanted to point out was a nice little article found on CNN's website today. Typical with anti-Israel media bias, the Palestinian/Arab/non-Jew is portrayed as the hero, while Israel is the villain to his heroism. Here's the first sentence of the article:

"Mahmoud Darwish, whose prose gave voice to the Palestinian experience of exile, occupation and infighting, died Saturday in Houston, Texas."

That may not sound too bad to those of you who haven't really thought about this before, but let me explain to you what tone that sets. That just told the reader that Israel is an occupier, oppressor, and exiler of a people. Fine, that may be your opinion, but opinion has no place in a mainstream news outlet.

CNN spends about 75% of the article praising Darwish's evocation of the Palestinian plight and national struggle. CNN speaks of how certain poems of Darwish gave voice to the struggles of the Palestinians, such as the implied humiliation of having to carry identity cards. Problem is, everyone in Israel carries an ID card - Jew and non-Jew alike. Finally, they even discuss his crafting of the Palestinian declaration of independence, a document read by Yasser Arafat. Let's take a look at a line from the declaration:

"The intifada has set siege to the mind of official Israel, which has for too long relied exclusively upon myth and terror to deny Palestinian existence altogether."

Wow. Israeli terror? Let's take a look at this intifada that Darwish, the CNN hero, has praised so highly. (WARNING: graphic image)

re: #122 Dianna

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

So you're saying persons shouldn't speculate wildly on the internet about things they are totally clueless about?

/That's an interesting theory.

So let's see.

1) Shot at a public (albeit political) place during daylight in front of witnesses.

2) Victim happens to be a Hill superdelegate.

3) Victim happens to be a well-to-do businessman.

The shooter had to had a good reason (for his reasoning) to take such a high-risk attmept to kill someone and expect to get away clean. It comes down to money or a woman.

Horrible news. I hope he recovers.

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

yet another reason to hold your nose in November.

/there *is* a difference between bad & worse.

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

"Right Wing Hate Radio"? I've never heard of Gwatney; I only know of
the car dealerships, by driving past them while on vacation.

DUmbasses.

re: #86 doppelganglander

Why is it so often the mother or grandmother gets on TV to say her boy couldn't possibly be guilty, because he's a good boy? My mother once told me, if I ever committed a crime, she'd be the first one to turn me in because she raised me better than that. I feel the same way about my kids. Are we bad people?

And that's why your mother raised someone about whom she will never have to make a TV statement.

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, I know. I just get really angry.

Pray for the victim's health, if you're a praying kind of person, but don't try to figure out the motives until we know more.

re: #119 jcm

Nodrog gets his account back......

Does this mean we have to put on our loincloths and beat our tom-toms with Kos and HuffPo?

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

I have to disagree with the FCC commissioner in this case. I think net neutrality precludes the need for a net "fairness doctrine".
TV had a "fairness doctrine" because running a TV station required a government license; running a web site does not, and is fairly cheap.
However, without net neutrality, big ISPs could prevent web sites they disagree with from being seen. That could strengthen calls to regulate content.
With neutrality, if someone complains they aren't getting heard, they can be told to get their own web site.

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/new video of Calee Anthony's grandfather (plus inane talking head analysis)!

re: #122 Dianna

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

it's against their beliefs.

/would have said religion, but..... %-)

re: #127 Quilly Mammoth

I don't understand

I'm saying partisan Democrats aren't exactly free of publically wishing ill on their political opponents themselves.

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

It's called the "Fairness Doctrine" to try to keep people from understanding that what this is all about is control of information.

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

As if she ever says anything coherent.

re: #136 jorline

Does this mean we have to put on our loincloths and beat our tom-toms with Kos and HuffPo?

Hey, does that mean we get to post there without getting banned or our comments deleted?

re: #130 badger1970

So let's see.

1) Shot at a public (albeit political) place during daylight in front of witnesses.

2) Victim happens to be a Hill superdelegate.

3) Victim happens to be a well-to-do businessman.

The shooter had to had a good reason (for his reasoning) to take such a high-risk attmept to kill someone and expect to get away clean. It comes down to money or a woman.

Don't discount mental illness or intoxication as possible contributing factors.

What terrible news. I hope the victim recovers fully.

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

It would seem to me that there would be no way to enforce this on a blog site. After all this is a public forum. It would be akin to saying that a bunch of people sitting in a coffee shop talking politics would be required to include people of opposing view points in the discussion. If anything it might apply to sites that claim to be news sources, but I think the whole thing would end up running afoul of the First Amendment anyway and be overturned. It would be a sad day indeed when our Supreme Court, even as bad as they can be, went far enough to allow this.

re: #129 looking closely

Usually, slowing down does absolutely no harm, yes.

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

Clemenza: "That Sonny's runnin' wild. He's thinking of going to the mattresses already."

Sonny: "No, no, no! No more! Not this time, consiglieri. No more meetings, no more discussions, no more Sollozzo tricks. You give 'em one message: I want Sollozzo. If not, it's all-out war: we go to the mattresses."

re: #70 kynna

I'm very curious about the motive. It makes no sense politically. Could be a personal grudge. Could be a business issue. Could have to do with Arkansas voter regulations that Gwatney couldn't do anything about.

Prayers for him and his family.

Could be that he bought a Suburban just before gas prices took off.

re: #146 Ford_Prefect

It would seem to me that there would be no way to enforce this on a blog site. After all this is a public forum. It would be akin to saying that a bunch of people sitting in a coffee shop talking politics would be required to include people of opposing view points in the discussion. If anything it might apply to sites that claim to be news sources, but I think the whole thing would end up running afoul of the First Amendment anyway and be overturned. It would be a sad day indeed when our Supreme Court, even as bad as they can be, went far enough to allow this.

Think Canadian Human Rights Council. They wouldn't have to go after contributors or posters, merely those who host the venues.

World Food Program Donor List Reveals Oil-Rich Nations Remain Frugal

What was it that that Eurupean UN ass said about the US after the Tsunami?

re: #130 badger1970

Or just some unhinged car buyer? Or, an environmentalist who objects to SUV's sold by the victim's dealerships? I can spin theories until I'm dizzy, but there's not enough information.

There's no way to tell.

Gitmo, Denver style..

Very bad.
My prayers are with Gwatney and his family.
[censored] re thoughts re the perp.

re: #152 Dianna

Or just some unhinged car buyer? Or, an environmentalist who objects to SUV's sold by the victim's dealerships? I can spin theories until I'm dizzy, but there's not enough information.

There's no way to tell.

Well, considering the guy who did it has been caught, it seems pretty likely the motivation for this shooting will be determined.

re: #151 Ben Hur

Frugal, is that what they're calling it these days?

re: #136 jorline

They get a pass, of course. The "Fairness Doctrine" never applied to the Left.

re: #5 Rogue198

Wonder how long until unsubstantiated claims that it's all Bush's or Rush's fault...

Some DUmmies are blaming talk radio...

re: #136 jorline

Does this mean we have to put on our loincloths and beat our tom-toms with Kos and HuffPo?

Nope, our POV will be hate speech and deleted.

re: #101 Colonel Panik

The Chicago Mob vs. the Dixie Mafia?

Sounds like that Patrick Swayze movie. What was it? 'Next of Kin' or something like that.

re: #140 looking closely

I'm saying partisan Democrats aren't exactly free of publically wishing ill on their political opponents themselves.

ah, I see. Indeed. If you read some of the PUMA sites there are numerous reports of threats. Usually from other Left leaning blogs.

re: #158 Dahveed

Some DUmmies are blaming talk radio...

BJ blame talk radio for OKC.

the shooter asked for him by name

I think this was personal, nothing to do with politics

re: #157 Iron Fist

They get a pass, of course. The "Fairness Doctrine" never applied to the Left.

LOL...you mean the MSM is fair?

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, does that mean we get to post there without getting banned or our comments deleted?

No, it would mean Charles would be required to let someone like Markos Moulitsas Zuniga post a rebuttal to anything he posts. If a new incarnation of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is anything like the old version, Markos would not be required to reciprocate...

re: #147 Dianna

Usually, slowing down does absolutely no harm, yes.

Of course you're right, but historically "primum non nocere" hasn't been the bloggers credo.

/What is the internet for, if not for the spread of pornography and baseless speculation?

re: #155 looking closely

He was shot during capture, so maybe or maybe not.

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Think Canadian Human Rights Council. They wouldn't have to go after contributors or posters, merely those who host the venues.

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Caveat - No I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV.

Charles,
I started getting "bad script" messages. here's one "Script: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] Is it my end? I use Firefox.

The crazies just seem to multiply everywhere

re: #141 reine.de.tout

It's called the "Fairness Doctrine" to try to keep people from understanding that what this is all about is control of information.

{reine}

re: #167 Dianna

He was shot during capture, so maybe or maybe not.

Even if he's dead, its probable the cops would piece together a motivation so long as his identity is known.

a comment on a Little Rock TV website:
"What the rumors are saying is that the shooter was laid off from Gwatney Chevrolet, which makes sense."

re: #172 looking closely

Yes, but the police aren't going to say anything for hours, yet.

re: #168 Ford_Prefect

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Caveat - No I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV.

From the way Dems like the Global approach, I'm thinking they would love to set up something like that here in the US. Technically, the "Fairness Doctrine" itself is unconstitutional, but they're still talking about it.

Prayers for Mr. Gwatney and his family.

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat

a comment on a Little Rock TV website:
"What the rumors are saying is that the shooter was laid off from Gwatney Chevrolet, which makes sense."

Another victim of the Bush economy!

/Dem's Favorite Game, "Two Degrees of George W"

re: #153 NoSubmission

Recreate '68 Denver '08

With DNC in Mind, City Bans Carrying Urine, Feces

You've gotta FIGHT
For your RIGHT
To RIOT

I can't wait for the convention :-)

re: #168 Ford_Prefect

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Caveat - No I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV.

If a "Fairness Doctrine" were to be implemented, it is very possible the outcome of that implementation would result in media being judged similar to how the Canadian HRC judges.

re: #164 jorline

It's all in who defines fair...

re: #171 jorline

good afternoon!

I'm trying to keep up with 2 threads, and it is some kind of taxing on my abilities!

re: #168 Ford_Prefect

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Think Canadian Human Rights Council. They wouldn't have to go after contributors or posters, merely those who host the venues.

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Since an American website can be viewed in Canada, the Canadian HRCs would claim jurisdiction (or at least try to), the same way an American author can be sued in Britain over a book that was published in the US (but not in the UK), but can be purchased from Amazon.com and shipped to the UK.

What they are saying on the radio here in LR is that it was a white male, who drove a blue pickup truck, walked into the office and asked for the Chairman of the Democratic party, then proceeded to shoot Mr. Gwatney several times. Fled to Grant County where he was confronted by police who shot him and took him into custody.

re: #178 Iron Fist

Recreate '68 Denver '08

With DNC in Mind, City Bans Carrying Urine, Feces

You've gotta FIGHT
For your RIGHT
To RIOT

I can't wait for the convention :-)

Proctologists and urologists raise prices.

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

NICOSIA — Iran has reported the development of an unmanned submarine.

Officials said the unmanned underwater vessel was a stealth platform that could infiltrate enemy defenses. They said the unmanned submarine would be deployed in the Gulf.

"The vessel would enhance the Iran Navy's defensive capabilities," Iranian Defense Minister Mostafa Najar said.

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

re: #174 Dianna

Yes, but the police aren't going to say anything for hours, yet.

They might not have to.
See #173 above.

I hear times are tough in the auto biz right now.

re: #158 Dahveed

Some DUmmies are blaming talk radio...

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

re: #162 jcm

BJ blame talk radio for OKC.

Obviously. Because all of us conservatives are mind-numbed robots and we have all fallen under the Limbaugh/Hannity spell. Utterly ridiculous.

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the way Dems like the Global approach, I'm thinking they would love to set up something like that here in the US. Technically, the "Fairness Doctrine" itself is unconstitutional, but they're still talking about it.

If they do talk about it they should be required to allow the other side equal time to rebut their statements...wait...

;-/

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

Lets see them photoshop that!

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Uh, oh.

re: #187 cliffster

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

Well, they are nothing if not conspiratorial.

re: #183 maddogg

What they are saying on the radio here in LR is that it was a white male, who drove a blue pickup truck, walked into the office and asked for the Chairman of the Democratic party, then proceeded to shoot Mr. Gwatney several times. Fled to Grant County where he was confronted by police who shot him and took him into custody.

It may be key to see if he said just those words, or if he asked for Gwatney and the person reporting the words helpfully filled in who Gwatney is.

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

They call them "fish"...

re: #188 Dahveed

Obviously. Because all of us conservatives are mind-numbed robots and we have all fallen under the Limbaugh/Hannity spell. Utterly ridiculous.

I don't listen to either of the above, but I would be pretty shocked to hear that either of them had recommended shooting people.

re: #190 CyanSnowHawk

Lets see them photoshop that!

Here it is!

re: #187 cliffster

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

So, they're improving.

re: #188 Dahveed

Obviously. Because all of us conservatives are mind-numbed robots and we have all fallen under the Limbaugh/Hannity spell. Utterly ridiculous.

If you play any Limbaugh broadcast backwards, you can hear "Buy a cheap handgun through the Gun Show Lophole and shoot a Democrat" over and over again.

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

Fish with grenades pinned to their dorsal fins.

/

re: #194 CIA Reject

They call them "fish"...

Sharks with friggin' laser beams on their heads...

re: #153 NoSubmission

Gitmo, Denver style..

"PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE MOONBATS"

re: #180 Iron Fist

It's all in who defines fair...

The same people who were trying to defining what the definition of is, is...lol

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney?

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

::cuckoo::

re: #194 CIA Reject

They call them "fish"...

They tied little bombs to them...

re: #180 Iron Fist

It's all in who defines fair...

Free market defines it best.

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

"PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE MOONBATS"

At least they are prepared. The RNC in NYC was overwhelmed by protesters and of course they complained they were held too long and didn't like the conditions. LOL

re: #201 Spiny Norman

Sharks with friggin' laser beams on their heads...

re: #206 Ford_Prefect

They tied little bombs to them...

YIKES! Forget the Navy, somebody call PETA ! :-)

re: #207 experiencedtraveller

Free market defines it best.

FASCIST!

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

Well, sure. But if you ask Anne Rice, it's the damned vampires...

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

...

re: #204 reine.de.tout

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney?

I see in the story that another of his 301 (including George) foreign affairs advisers said the Obama and McCain are on the same page, but it is Bush who is way behind the curve.

Really tough to come up with just one answer when you have 301 policy advisers.

re: #207 experiencedtraveller

Free market defines it best.

No, the free market defines who is the most interesting. Right or fair doesn't matter if you can't be interesting.

re: #156 Silhouette

Frugal, is that what they're calling it these days?

On FoxNews.com's front page, their headline reads:

Oil-Rich Nations Still Cheapskates

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

"Feeding Time at the Zoo" is the phrase that comes to mind...

re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

FASCIST!

You're right. Lets just let Barry figure everything out. ;)

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

First, they will upset the local sewer ecosystem with their foreign diets of tofu, celery, and Alice B. Toklas brownies.

This will lead to the requisite uprising by Mr. Hanky.

/buy stock in umbrellas

re: #204 reine.de.tout

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney?

LOL...the cabinet will be made up of the cast of Oceans 11-12-13-14.

re: #187 cliffster

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

And it took us all the way to Post #5 to wonder how long until talk radio hosts would be blamed. :)

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

I am SO glad I don't live in Colorado!

Fox - Russians poised just outside Tbilisi!

re: #213 Spider Mensch

...

Those are three interesting points you make.

/

re: #20 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm proud that Charles can post a story like this & not have to turn off the comments, unlike Huff Puff & Koz when any violence or illness happens to conservatives.

I agree. This is why I like this site.

In direct contrast to the "I wish they'd all get brain cancer" posts over on those hate-mongering sites when Robert Novak was diagnosed with brain cancer. Did we see that here when Teddy Kennedy was diagnosed? No.

That's just what they are--hate sites. The people that post that sort of nonsense are simply vile. I do not want to associate with them. Period.

Prayers for a speedy recovery.

And agreed, as someone put it earlier. Ballots, not bullets.

re: #217 CIA Reject

"Feeding Time at the Zoo" is the phrase that comes to mind...

Lots of shit-flinging involved.

/wear raincoats, officers

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

it's one of these painted flat black...[Link: www.psubs.org...]

amadinejad saw it in the latest version of Archie and Jugheads Janes weaponry and whoopee cusions..

re: #220 jorline

LOL...the cabinet will be made up of the cast of Oceans 11-12-13-14.

Minus Bernie Mac, may he rest in piece.

re: #225 Ward Cleaver

Lots of shit-flinging involved.

/wear raincoats, officers

A good friend of mine who is a police officer once told be that the only difference between cops and garbage men is that the garbage doesn't talk back to the garbage men.

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

She should stick to writing those vampire books.

re: #217 CIA Reject

"Feeding Time at the Zoo" is the phrase that comes to mind...

"They use the shampoo or they get the hose again!"

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here it is!

Sharks with Frikkin' lasers!

I thought that was Dr. Evil, not half-pint DinnerJacket.

re: #229 Colonel Panik

She should stick to writing those vampire books.

That's Anne Rice

re: #204 reine.de.tout

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney George C. Looney?

Fixed it for you.

re: #232 madisonsfriend

That's Anne Rice

Rice all tastes the same to me.

re: #226 Spider Mensch

Dang, life was good back then.

Of course, I would bet the average kid had very little chance of gouging his parents for 7 whole bucks AND 75 cents shipping.

Dad: "What am I, made of money? Do you know the mortgage on this place, kid? 65 bucks, that's what! Do you know how much 7 bucks is?"

re: #230 Pawn of the Oppressor

"They use the shampoo or they get the hose again!"

Sham-poo? They'll be flinging lots of the real poo I'm sure. Kinda like the monkey house at the Bronx Zoo.

Lets hope gwatney recovers fully from this,and his prognosis is good soon to ease his family.
I hope they nail the guy who did this to a wall.

Condi Rice is on Fox now - Russia has not ended military ops, must stop and must stop now. Humanitarian mission will be continuous and robust. Ports, sea lanes and air corriders should remain open. She is leaving this evening to meet with Sarkozy and then will fly on to Tbilisi.

re: #231 CyanSnowHawk

Sharks with Frikkin' lasers!

I thought that was Dr. Evil, not half-pint DinnerJacket.

Actually it *IS* Dinnerjacket!

Iran buys kamikaze dolphins. . .

The animals were trained to attack enemy frogmen with harpoons attached to their backs,

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not the first time they've claimed sub technologies that turned out to be more mundane. And they've proffered superweapons that turned out to be something less - the Shkval for example.

Fair.

Fair #1: We all go into the grocery store, and the store charges each of us 59 cents for a can of corn, regardless of who we are, what we know, what we do, who our parents were, how much we're worth, the color of our skin, etc.
Equal amount

Fair #2: We all pay 10% of our grocery store bill in taxes. So I only buy $50 worth of food and pay $5 of tax, where Joe buys $200 worth of food and pays $20 of tax.
Equal percentage

Fair #3: I pay 28% income tax whereas Joe over there makes 3 times more and pays 40% tax.

Fair is a sticky word.

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

Didn't get a chance to post this on the cyanide found in Denver thread the other night.

Warren Zevon: Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead

Per Little Rock TV, there was a prior incident, minutes before the shooting. A man waved a gun inside a church seven blocks away. He told someone there that he'd just been laid off.

No word yet on whether it was the same man.

re: #204 reine.de.tout

I think he's advising on...body language.

...

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But important information to know. Thanks

re: #244 Dianna

I think he's advising on...body language.

Yes, I heard that too. I also heard he's sending "lots of e-mails" advising Obama on foreign policy.

And Obama, with his 300 + 1 foreign policy advisors - had no clue what was happening in Russia/Georgia and needed a couple of days to figure it out and to figure out how to blame it on McCain.

We cannot afford for Obama to win.

re: #240 lawhawk

Not the first time they've claimed sub technologies that turned out to be more mundane. And they've proffered superweapons that turned out to be something less - the Shkval for example.

Word is the Iranians are also developing Light Grenades.

re: #223 OldLineTexan

Those are three interesting points you make.

/

Awaiting some dashes---

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

i'm not....

(i already bought *lots* of popcorn! %-)

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Yes, I heard that too. I also heard he's sending "lots of e-mails" advising Obama on foreign policy.

And Obama, with his 300 + 1 foreign policy advisors - had no clue what was happening in Russia/Georgia and needed a couple of days to figure it out and to figure out how to blame it on McCain.

We cannot afford for Obama to win.

I think Obama is on the level of "good job, brownie" of Katrina fame. Not ready to lead.

re: #249 debutaunt

Awaiting some dashes---

Sooner or later, this thread could become afflicted with colon cancer.

/just sayin'

How come Sean Penn hasn't begun his personal Odyessy in Georgia yet?

re: #253 hazzyday

How come Sean Penn hasn't begun his personal Odyessy in Georgia yet?

He's been wandering Atlanta looking for Russian tanks all day.

re: #253 hazzyday

How come Sean Penn hasn't begun his personal Odyessy in Georgia yet?

He probably realizes that the Soviets Russians won't be intimidated by his "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?" routine.

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

The stupidity becomes multiplied exponentially.