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Arkansas Dem Party Chairman Shot

Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 10:59:31 am PDT

The chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party is in critical condition after being shot by a man who is now in police custody. Still developing...

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1 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:00:19am

Not good.

2 Pullus Iulius  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:01:20am

Prayers for his recovery.

3 thedopefishlives  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:01:29am

Ugh. Why do people have to be so STUPID?

I hope the man is able to recover and that his attacker suffers an appropriate penalty for his dumbassness.

4 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:01:48am

Prayers going out for Mr. Gwatney.

5 Rogue198  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:01:56am

Wonder how long until unsubstantiated claims that it's all Bush's or Rush's fault...

6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:06am

Hmmmm...it doesn't look like a random act of violence or a robbery attempt.

7 X-ray  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:09am

A prayer for his survival and speedy recovery.

8 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:26am

Holy f**king sh*t.

9 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:44am

Prayers for him and his family.

10 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:45am

He is a white guy that was shot by another white guy.

He was a Clinton supporter.

11 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:12am

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

12 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:49am

A few more details....
UPDATED: Bill Gwatney Shot at Arkansas Democratic Party HQ

Officers told the CBS affiliate that police pursued a white male suspect in his 40's, driving a pickup truck, into Grant County. KTHV reported that officers apprehended him in Sheridan, and that he was shot during his capture.

13 faraway  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:05:34am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

Campaign contr. list shows he gave $$ with employer listed as Gwatney Chevrolet/Car Dealer

14 eaglewingz08  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:05:52am

I pray for his speedy recovery. Hillary needs all the delegates she can get at the convention. I read that the supposed suspect was shot, maybe that's inoperative now?

15 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:05:58am
One witness said the man came into the headquarters at 10 minutes before noon and asked for Gwatney before allegedly shooting him three times, KTHV said.

Wow.

16 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:05am

Hopefully the attacker, vehicle and maybe even license plate were caught on video, and he can be apprehended quickly.

17 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:21am

prayers for health and his family.

18 godfrey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:30am

Good grief.

19 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:36am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Hopefully the attacker, vehicle and maybe even license plate were caught on video, and he can be apprehended quickly.

They've caught and shot him, apparently.

20 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:47am

I'm proud that Charles can post a story like this & not have to turn off the comments, unlike Huff Puff & Koz when any violence or illness happens to conservatives.

21 Charles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:58am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Hopefully the attacker, vehicle and maybe even license plate were caught on video, and he can be apprehended quickly.

They've already caught him, after a 25-mile car chase.

22 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:23am

Bill Gwatney

Bill Gwatney, as a superdelegate, has endorsed Hillary Clinton for President.

23 itellu3times  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:28am

What do you bet it's unrelated to politics?

24 WeddingGuy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:28am

Fargin Bastages! Here's to a speedy recovery and swift justice!

25 mossley  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:48am

Prayers for his recovery.

26 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:52am

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Good. I wonder if this was political or personal.

27 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:08:27am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?

Ah yes, here we go. He's the son of Harold Gwatney, who started car dealerships in Little Rock and Jacksonville, AR, and Memphis, TN. Bill Gwatney runs Gwatney Chevrolet in Jacksonville.

28 joncelli  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:09:00am

re: #23 itellu3times

Could be. Bad business deal, jealous husband, something like that.

29 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:09:50am

Here is hoping that the victim is alright and the idiot shooter isn't.

30 Pyrocles  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:33am

Violent nutjobs are really coming out of the woodwork lately. That beheading with cannibalism in Canada, ROP and non-ROP knife-wielding maniacs in China, the guy planning to assassinate Obama and Bush, now another wanna-be assassin.

31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:38am

re: #23 itellu3times

What do you bet it's unrelated to politics?

Very likely. Doesn't seem like someone trying to send a political message.

32 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:59am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Hmmmm...it doesn't look like a random act of violence or a robbery attempt.


definately not since he asked specifically for the guy.

33 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:03am
asked to speak with Gwatney

/personal grudge

34 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:03am

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Bill Gwatney

Is this the motive?

35 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:11am

re: #19 Cognito

They've caught and shot him, apparently.

Hopefully, not in that particular order...

Good that he's caught, either way.

36 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:14am

re: #24 WeddingGuy

Fargin Bastages! Here's to a speedy recovery and swift justice!

They still have some gallows in Fort Smith, used by the hanging judge there in territorial days.

37 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:26am

re: #11 Ward Cleaver

The name Gwatney sounds familiar. Aren't there some car dealerships in Arkansas with the Gwatney name on them?


Yes.

38 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:30am

Just astounding - FOX news DID REPORT that it was a Black man who shot him and was arrested at the scene!
Geez, what a day!

39 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:45am

Reports are that the shooter was shot during capture.

40 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:51am

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Very likely. Doesn't seem like someone trying to send a political message.

Let's wait for the dust to clear before making assumptions.

41 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:59am

re: #28 joncelli

Could be. Bad business deal, jealous husband, something like that.


its arkansas. it would have to be an extraordinarily bad business deal.

42 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:12:10am

superdelegate for hillary

43 trailortrash  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:12:31am

:( hate to hear this.

44 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:13:01am

re: #34 Kenneth

If it's political it could be a far left nut or a far right nut. It might have been personal. Maybe he was sleeping with someone's wife or sold somebody a bad car. Anything's possible.

45 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:13:30am

re: #42 willowone

Obama supporter?

46 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:14:03am

re: #38 realwest

Just astounding - FOX news DID REPORT that it was a Black man who shot him and was arrested at the scene!
Geez, what a day!

that's gonna be ugly, if true.....

47 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:14:09am

dunno, i doubt even they would do something like this as bizzare as they are

48 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:14:24am

So, lets give convicted felons the vote, shall we?

49 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:14:25am

in fact i don't even want to go there

50 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:14:28am

re: #44 Killgore Trout

If it's political it could be a far left nut or a far right nut. It might have been personal. Maybe he was sleeping with someone's wife or sold somebody a bad car. Anything's possible.

Nonsense. Obviously this is a Bushitlerco False Flag Operation to...

...oh, never mind.

/

(I hope for justice and recovery here... Random personal shootings are miserable and cowardly)

51 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:14:28am

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

52 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:15:34am

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

You have no way of knowing what the shooter's motivation was, so why blame it on politics?

53 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:15:44am

re: #51 looking closely
i'd ding you up 10 if i could

54 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:15:44am

It's way too early to start speculating on a cause.

55 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:15:50am

re: #46 redc1c4

that's gonna be ugly, if true.....


the article says a white man.

56 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:16:01am

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Indeed.

57 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:16:58am

re: #52 maddogg
haha, i might be getting ods myself : } kidding, we'll know facts in a few days. bad for us to jump now i think

58 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:02am

Not sure what I mean by "random personal shooting" there... Odd turn of phrase, almost oxymoronic. I meant that if you're going to fight a guy, fight him face to face, off of work hours, without any damned guns... I hate this narcissistic gangster shit. Shoot a guy, start a chase, get caught, your mom goes on TV and says you're innocent, the guy you shot has three kids or something... Same old stupid crap. For what?

59 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:21am

re: #54 Ward Cleaver

It's way too early to start speculating on a cause.

Indeed. Any speculation at this point -- in any regard -- is pretty baseless.

Waiting for facts.

60 mossley  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:22am

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.


I agree that the calls for violence are disgusting, but we don't know what his motives are yet.

61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:34am

re: #40 Ford_Prefect

Let's wait for the dust to clear before making assumptions.

I would think if it were political, he would have shot more people at the headquarters. Since he went in and shot just one person, I'm assuming it was personal.

Just my opinion.

62 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:45am

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

Why do people call for violence to elected officials.
I could understand that if we lived in a country which did not allow us to vote for a choice (the lesser of two weavils) but really, we can and have voted people out of office.

63 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:55am

re: #52 maddogg

You have no way of knowing what the shooter's motivation was, so why blame it on politics?


Read my post again. I didn't blame anyone.

I'm saying that repeatedly calling for violence against elected officials (which does NOT apply to this man, who AFAIK doesn't hold elected office) is bad.
Get it?

64 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:18:02am

For all we know, it was a crackhead doing a mugging.

65 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:18:53am

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:39am

re: #64 maddogg

For all we know, it was a crackhead doing a mugging.

No, the initial facts seem pretty clear. Shooter asked to see the victim. Secretary stopped him. He went in anyways to shoot the victim and ran. No random incident or other crime. The shooter had a specific target in mind.

67 trailortrash  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:40am

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

that is getting old isnt it, i wish they would just report whne its figured out instead of each fart these people make...

68 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:43am

Not the first time there's been violence at campaign offices this election season either. Last November there was a hostage incident at Clinton's NH offices where the nut claimed to have a bomb. That situation ended peacefully.

Sadly, that's not the case here.

Not sure what the motive in today's shooting is, but thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

69 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:20:14am

re: #63 looking closely

Read my post again. I didn't blame anyone.

I'm saying that repeatedly calling for violence against elected officials (which does NOT apply to this man, who AFAIK doesn't hold elected office) is bad.
Get it?

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought your post was remotely connected to the topic of discussion.

70 kynna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:20:15am

I'm very curious about the motive. It makes no sense politically. Could be a personal grudge. Could be a business issue. Could have to do with Arkansas voter regulations that Gwatney couldn't do anything about.

Prayers for him and his family.

71 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:20:30am

I'm timing the question.

72 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:20:51am

re: #7 X-ray

A prayer for his survival and speedy recovery.


Amen, I hope they catch the POS who shot him.

73 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:00am

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I would think if it were political, he would have shot more people at the headquarters. Since he went in and shot just one person, I'm assuming it was personal.

Just my opinion.

according to the article, he went into the office, asked to see the man, and when the secretary said no, he went in anyway and started shooting. that doesnt sound like a drive-by to me either.

74 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:04am

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

Her grandmother found Natalee Holloway.

75 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:08am

re: #59 Cognito

Indeed. Any speculation at this point -- in any regard -- is pretty baseless.

Waiting for facts.

But when you have the facts, it is too late for speculation.

Just making a funny. I too have no idea is this was "random", personal, political, or other, and don't think guessing helps at all here. Prayers for the gentleman attacked, his family, and for the police as they try to sort all this out.

76 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:31am

re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

That seem s like pretty sound reasoning. Let's hope the victim comes out alright. While I badly want to see the Dems humiliated at the polls, I don't want to see them shot (unless they shoot first, of course).

77 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:36am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

No, the initial facts seem pretty clear. Shooter asked to see the victim. Secretary stopped him. He went in anyways to shoot the victim and ran. No random incident or other crime. The shooter had a specific target in mind.

OK. Not random. I stand corrected.

78 CapeCoddah  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:45am

Good lord, why do people do stupid things like this, I will never understand it. This is America not a nation where he who shoots the wins power. This gives all of America a black eye, when we are supposed to be the country that is famous and looked to in awe throughout history for our peaceful political process and transfers of power. Hope the chairman is going to be all right.

79 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:49am

[Link: wcco.com...]

The secretary described the man as in his 40s and white and drove off in a blue truck.

80 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:13am

re: #62 Eowyn2

Why do people call for violence to elected officials.

I could understand that if we lived in a country which did not allow us to vote for a choice (the lesser of two weavils) but really, we can and have voted people out of office.


Its a sign of basic distrust of the electoral system (and often simply immaturity).

It isn't it interesting that those who most often claim the electoral system is being abused, are the quickest to advocate the worst abuse of all. . .political violence?

And in case my implication isn't clear, I was alluding to bloggers who frequently make comments about public officials getting terminally ill, dying, or being killed. (As a rule, they frequent political blogs other than this one).

81 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:14am

re: #71 JammieWearingFool

I'm timing the question.

six minutes and 32 seconds

82 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:28am

re: #68 lawhawk

Not the first time there's been violence at campaign offices this election season either. Last November there was a hostage incident at Clinton's NH offices where the nut claimed to have a bomb. That situation ended peacefully.

We had a drive-by shooting at the Bush headquarters during the last election cycle. This a week after "vandals" had painted a body outline (as in dead body) on the parking lot outside.

83 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:43am

re: #55 Eowyn2

the article says a white man.

and the AP is *never* wrong...... things are always confused at this point in an event.

84 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:50am

Bill Gwatney owns multiple dealerships. After I got out of the Army I worked for a short period in the car business. Threats over bad car deals were fairly common and a _lot_ of people carried for exactly that reason.

Too early to say if this was because of his support for HRC or political at all.

85 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:24:35am

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

Caylee's grandmother shot Gwatney? Now I'm confused.

/

86 doppelganglander  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:24:55am

Why is it so often the mother or grandmother gets on TV to say her boy couldn't possibly be guilty, because he's a good boy? My mother once told me, if I ever committed a crime, she'd be the first one to turn me in because she raised me better than that. I feel the same way about my kids. Are we bad people?

87 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:25:14am

re: #72 Maximu§

Amen, I hope they catch the POS who shot him.

i'll drink to that.....

/you have message traffic

88 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:25:55am

re: #83 redc1c4

and the AP is *never* wrong...... things are always confused at this point in an event.

Really, Hells bells, I ought to start reading more AP articles. Then I'd always know the right from the wrong.

Seriously, my statement was to inform, inform that we dont know whether the shooter is black, white, hispanic (maybe that will be the CNN take) or a German Shephard. We can probably assume male because well, at least two reports did state that the shooter was a man.

89 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:02am

re: #84 Quilly Mammoth

Bill Gwatney owns multiple dealerships. After I got out of the Army I worked for a short period in the car business. Threats over bad car deals were fairly common and a _lot_ of people carried for exactly that reason.

Too early to say if this was because of his support for HRC or political at all.

Wow.

90 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:11am

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

91 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:55am
92 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:05am

re: #79 RTLM
a chevy?

93 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:27am

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

not in the least bit funny or cute

94 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:41am

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

PETA will pitch a hissy fit if any horses are harmed.

95 Eowyn2  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:59am

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

Bill Clinton will be the first to go to the mattresses.


that is funny

96 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:59am

re: #92 willowone

a chevy?

With a Gwatney emblem on the back?

97 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:28:17am

re: #69 maddogg

Oh, I'm sorry. I thought your post was remotely connected to the topic of discussion.


It is remotely connected, and I'm slightly changing the topic. See above.

I condemn this attack regardless of its motivation (which is at the moment unclear), but relevant to this blog , I'm making the point that wishing people dead is really inappropriate.

Remember this?

98 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:28:39am

re: #86 doppelganglander

Why is it so often the mother or grandmother gets on TV to say her boy couldn't possibly be guilty, because he's a good boy? My mother once told me, if I ever committed a crime, she'd be the first one to turn me in because she raised me better than that. I feel the same way about my kids. Are we bad people?

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I told my mother that if I ever snapped and committed some kind of heinous crime, that she was not allowed to go on TV and say I was innocent. I told her that she should only say that they did the best they could, and that they evidently failed, and that if I was found guilty and locked up, that I earned my punishment fair and square.

99 MoonbatBane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:13am

re: #16 Occasional Reader

Shooter is already apprehended.

100 willowone  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:22am

dunno if anyone wants to wade threw this muck. but here it is. Charles might slap (or boot my rear)me but i looked up deleagte threats and here i Landed [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...] bizzare and doubtful

101 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:24am

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

The Chicago Mob vs. the Dixie Mafia?

102 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:41am

re: #98 Pawn of the Oppressor

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

I told my mother that if I ever snapped and committed some kind of heinous crime, that she was not allowed to go on TV and say I was innocent. I told her that she should only say that they did the best they could, and that they evidently failed, and that if I was found guilty and locked up, that I earned my punishment fair and square.

What if you WERE innocent?
/(Or clearly she is supposed to know you better than that!).

103 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:54am

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war. Maybe this is the first salvo from the Obama crime family. Maybe the Clinton crime family will retaliate by whacking one of Obama's super delegates. Bodies will be piling up soon.

I did a rather graphic "picture this" post on that subject a couple of weeks ago, but stinky plowed in under PDQ:)

Guess it was a tad gruesome.

104 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:03am

re: #88 Eowyn2

Really, Hells bells, I ought to start reading more AP articles. Then I'd always know the right from the wrong.

Seriously, my statement was to inform, inform that we dont know whether the shooter is black, white, hispanic (maybe that will be the CNN take) or a German Shephard. We can probably assume male because well, at least two reports did state that the shooter was a man.

re: #93 Eowyn2

not in the least bit funny or cute

tacky? yes.
tasteless? yes.
black humor? yes..........

/of course i smiled when i read it. %-)

105 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:01am

re: #97 looking closely

Acknowledged.

106 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:19am

re: #104 redc1c4

ignore the #88 part.

/damn PC %-)

107 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:22am

re: #90 Lawrence Schmerel

Maybe the Obama Campaign and the Hillary Campaign are waging a secret mafia-style war.


Obama did refer to the "Chicago way", but IMO this is over the top.

108 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:28am

Paris anti-Semitic T-shirt probe

French prosecutors have opened an investigation after T-shirts carrying anti-Semitic slogans were seen on sale in a shop in Paris.

The tops carried slogans in German and Polish that translate as "Jews forbidden from entering the park".

They were reproduced from Nazi signs from 1940 that targeted the Jewish community in the Polish town of Lodz.

Some 95% of more than 200,000 Jewish people there would die in concentration camps during World War II.

snip

The neighbourhood of Belleville in eastern Paris has been the site of ongoing scuffles between groups of Jewish youngsters and youths of North African origin.

France has one of the largest Jewish communities outside Israel, numbering about half a million people.


JEWS and who?

109 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:47am

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

110 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:50am

re: #51 looking closely

I want politics by ballots, not by bullets.

Shame on this shooter, and also to those individuals who repeatedly call for violence to elected officials.

Amen,
And if the ballots don't work out ... hang tight.
I know how it works WA the governorship was stolen, we just redoubled our efforts.

For those interested, the body of the Declaration of Independence sets the criteria for going to the bullet option.

111 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:51am

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

112 lefty201  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:09am

Prayers for him and his family. just because he's om the wrong side of the fence doesn't mean we have any less sympathy.

113 MoonbatBane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:33am

I just gotta comment that the difference between the comments here and the hate filled bile at kos couldn't be starker. For comparison, I offer the following re: kos: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

114 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:34:01am

re: #74 JammieWearingFool

Her grandmother found Natalee Holloway.

Jimmy Hoffa had her?
/

115 Fat Jolly Penguin  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:34:13am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Oh, shit.

116 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:34:36am

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

Mr. Kettle, I notice you are a bit black non-reflective today.

-Pot.

117 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:34:42am

re: #88 Eowyn2

Really, Hells bells, I ought to start reading more AP articles. Then I'd always know the right from the wrong.

Seriously, my statement was to inform, inform that we dont know whether the shooter is black, white, hispanic (maybe that will be the CNN take) or a German Shephard. We can probably assume male because well, at least two reports did state that the shooter was a man.

that's pretty much what i was saying: there are conflicting reports, everyone's adrenaline is flowing, and sometimes, things get garbled..... hence the "24 hour rule"..... i wasn't criticizing you.

118 Dustyvet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:03am

re: #5 Rogue198

Wonder how long until unsubstantiated claims that it's all Bush's or Rush's fault...


In 5, 4, 3, 2, 1...

119 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:12am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Nodrog gets his account back......

120 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:18am

re: #115 Fat Jolly Penguin

Oh, shit.

My thoughts exactly JP

121 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:38am

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

Same for the Kos Kidz, although not all of them, surprisingly.

122 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:45am

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

123 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:14am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Those who are so gung-ho for security cameras on every corner shouldn't be upset by a little gov'ment oversight of the internet, should they?

124 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:26am

re: #100 willowone

dunno if anyone wants to wade threw this muck. but here it is. Charles might slap (or boot my rear)me but i looked up deleagte threats and here i Landed [Link: www.hillaryclintonforum.net...] bizzare and doubtful

Thread about the shooting here. Lots of NObama types there.

125 Know Your Enemy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:32am

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

Wow.

Welcome to Arkansas...

/Bangin in Lil Rock

126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:44am

re: #122 Dianna

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

LOL, Don't you understand by now? Facts mean nothing, its feelings which count.

127 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:56am

re: #116 looking closely

Mr. Kettle, I notice you are a bit black non-reflective today.

-Pot.

I don't understand

128 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:06am

Anti-Israel Media Bias

So, what I wanted to point out was a nice little article found on CNN's website today. Typical with anti-Israel media bias, the Palestinian/Arab/non-Jew is portrayed as the hero, while Israel is the villain to his heroism. Here's the first sentence of the article:

"Mahmoud Darwish, whose prose gave voice to the Palestinian experience of exile, occupation and infighting, died Saturday in Houston, Texas."

That may not sound too bad to those of you who haven't really thought about this before, but let me explain to you what tone that sets. That just told the reader that Israel is an occupier, oppressor, and exiler of a people. Fine, that may be your opinion, but opinion has no place in a mainstream news outlet.

CNN spends about 75% of the article praising Darwish's evocation of the Palestinian plight and national struggle. CNN speaks of how certain poems of Darwish gave voice to the struggles of the Palestinians, such as the implied humiliation of having to carry identity cards. Problem is, everyone in Israel carries an ID card - Jew and non-Jew alike. Finally, they even discuss his crafting of the Palestinian declaration of independence, a document read by Yasser Arafat. Let's take a look at a line from the declaration:

"The intifada has set siege to the mind of official Israel, which has for too long relied exclusively upon myth and terror to deny Palestinian existence altogether."

Wow. Israeli terror? Let's take a look at this intifada that Darwish, the CNN hero, has praised so highly. (WARNING: graphic image)

129 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:11am

re: #122 Dianna

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

So you're saying persons shouldn't speculate wildly on the internet about things they are totally clueless about?

/That's an interesting theory.

130 badger1970  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:15am

So let's see.

1) Shot at a public (albeit political) place during daylight in front of witnesses.

2) Victim happens to be a Hill superdelegate.

3) Victim happens to be a well-to-do businessman.

The shooter had to had a good reason (for his reasoning) to take such a high-risk attmept to kill someone and expect to get away clean. It comes down to money or a woman.

131 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:16am

Horrible news. I hope he recovers.

132 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:30am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

yet another reason to hold your nose in November.

/there *is* a difference between bad & worse.

133 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:38:07am

re: #111 Quilly Mammoth

And over at DU they are blaming "Right Wing Hate Radio".

"Right Wing Hate Radio"? I've never heard of Gwatney; I only know of
the car dealerships, by driving past them while on vacation.

DUmbasses.

134 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:38:22am

re: #86 doppelganglander

Why is it so often the mother or grandmother gets on TV to say her boy couldn't possibly be guilty, because he's a good boy? My mother once told me, if I ever committed a crime, she'd be the first one to turn me in because she raised me better than that. I feel the same way about my kids. Are we bad people?


And that's why your mother raised someone about whom she will never have to make a TV statement.

135 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:38:23am

re: #126 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, I know. I just get really angry.

Pray for the victim's health, if you're a praying kind of person, but don't try to figure out the motives until we know more.

136 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:38:55am

re: #119 jcm

Nodrog gets his account back......

Does this mean we have to put on our loincloths and beat our tom-toms with Kos and HuffPo?

137 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:02am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

I have to disagree with the FCC commissioner in this case. I think net neutrality precludes the need for a net "fairness doctrine".
TV had a "fairness doctrine" because running a TV station required a government license; running a web site does not, and is fairly cheap.
However, without net neutrality, big ISPs could prevent web sites they disagree with from being seen. That could strengthen calls to regulate content.
With neutrality, if someone complains they aren't getting heard, they can be told to get their own web site.

138 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:12am

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/new video of Calee Anthony's grandfather (plus inane talking head analysis)!

139 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:12am

re: #122 Dianna

Since we have no information, why don't they just shut up?

it's against their beliefs.

/would have said religion, but..... %-)

140 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:16am

re: #127 Quilly Mammoth

I don't understand

I'm saying partisan Democrats aren't exactly free of publically wishing ill on their political opponents themselves.

141 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:48am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

It's called the "Fairness Doctrine" to try to keep people from understanding that what this is all about is control of information.

142 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:51am

re: #65 Killian Bundy

FOX NEWS ALERT/BREAKING NEWS

/a reporter talked to Calee Anthony's grandmother!

As if she ever says anything coherent.

143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:09am

re: #136 jorline

Does this mean we have to put on our loincloths and beat our tom-toms with Kos and HuffPo?

Hey, does that mean we get to post there without getting banned or our comments deleted?

144 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:16am

re: #130 badger1970

So let's see.

1) Shot at a public (albeit political) place during daylight in front of witnesses.

2) Victim happens to be a Hill superdelegate.

3) Victim happens to be a well-to-do businessman.

The shooter had to had a good reason (for his reasoning) to take such a high-risk attmept to kill someone and expect to get away clean. It comes down to money or a woman.


Don't discount mental illness or intoxication as possible contributing factors.

145 Dahveed  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:39am

What terrible news. I hope the victim recovers fully.

146 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:41:07am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

It would seem to me that there would be no way to enforce this on a blog site. After all this is a public forum. It would be akin to saying that a bunch of people sitting in a coffee shop talking politics would be required to include people of opposing view points in the discussion. If anything it might apply to sites that claim to be news sources, but I think the whole thing would end up running afoul of the First Amendment anyway and be overturned. It would be a sad day indeed when our Supreme Court, even as bad as they can be, went far enough to allow this.

147 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:41:21am

re: #129 looking closely

Usually, slowing down does absolutely no harm, yes.

148 Lawrence Schmerel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:41:33am

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

Clemenza: "That Sonny's runnin' wild. He's thinking of going to the mattresses already."

Sonny: "No, no, no! No more! Not this time, consiglieri. No more meetings, no more discussions, no more Sollozzo tricks. You give 'em one message: I want Sollozzo. If not, it's all-out war: we go to the mattresses."

149 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:41:36am

re: #70 kynna

I'm very curious about the motive. It makes no sense politically. Could be a personal grudge. Could be a business issue. Could have to do with Arkansas voter regulations that Gwatney couldn't do anything about.

Prayers for him and his family.

Could be that he bought a Suburban just before gas prices took off.

150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:43:04am

re: #146 Ford_Prefect

It would seem to me that there would be no way to enforce this on a blog site. After all this is a public forum. It would be akin to saying that a bunch of people sitting in a coffee shop talking politics would be required to include people of opposing view points in the discussion. If anything it might apply to sites that claim to be news sources, but I think the whole thing would end up running afoul of the First Amendment anyway and be overturned. It would be a sad day indeed when our Supreme Court, even as bad as they can be, went far enough to allow this.

Think Canadian Human Rights Council. They wouldn't have to go after contributors or posters, merely those who host the venues.

151 Ben Hur  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:43:05am

World Food Program Donor List Reveals Oil-Rich Nations Remain Frugal

What was it that that Eurupean UN ass said about the US after the Tsunami?

152 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:43:42am

re: #130 badger1970

Or just some unhinged car buyer? Or, an environmentalist who objects to SUV's sold by the victim's dealerships? I can spin theories until I'm dizzy, but there's not enough information.

There's no way to tell.

153 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:44:47am
154 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:15am

Very bad.
My prayers are with Gwatney and his family.
[censored] re thoughts re the perp.

155 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:17am

re: #152 Dianna

Or just some unhinged car buyer? Or, an environmentalist who objects to SUV's sold by the victim's dealerships? I can spin theories until I'm dizzy, but there's not enough information.

There's no way to tell.

Well, considering the guy who did it has been caught, it seems pretty likely the motivation for this shooting will be determined.

156 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:40am

re: #151 Ben Hur

Frugal, is that what they're calling it these days?

157 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:51am

re: #136 jorline

They get a pass, of course. The "Fairness Doctrine" never applied to the Left.

158 Dahveed  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:01am

re: #5 Rogue198

Wonder how long until unsubstantiated claims that it's all Bush's or Rush's fault...

Some DUmmies are blaming talk radio...

159 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:01am

re: #136 jorline

Does this mean we have to put on our loincloths and beat our tom-toms with Kos and HuffPo?

Nope, our POV will be hate speech and deleted.

160 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:03am

re: #101 Colonel Panik

The Chicago Mob vs. the Dixie Mafia?

Sounds like that Patrick Swayze movie. What was it? 'Next of Kin' or something like that.

161 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:05am

re: #140 looking closely

I'm saying partisan Democrats aren't exactly free of publically wishing ill on their political opponents themselves.

ah, I see. Indeed. If you read some of the PUMA sites there are numerous reports of threats. Usually from other Left leaning blogs.

162 jcm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:38am

re: #158 Dahveed

Some DUmmies are blaming talk radio...

BJ blame talk radio for OKC.

163 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:55am
164 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:11am

re: #157 Iron Fist

They get a pass, of course. The "Fairness Doctrine" never applied to the Left.

LOL...you mean the MSM is fair?

165 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:15am

re: #143 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hey, does that mean we get to post there without getting banned or our comments deleted?

No, it would mean Charles would be required to let someone like Markos Moulitsas Zuniga post a rebuttal to anything he posts. If a new incarnation of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" is anything like the old version, Markos would not be required to reciprocate...

166 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:31am

re: #147 Dianna

Usually, slowing down does absolutely no harm, yes.


Of course you're right, but historically "primum non nocere" hasn't been the bloggers credo.

/What is the internet for, if not for the spread of pornography and baseless speculation?

167 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:49am

re: #155 looking closely

He was shot during capture, so maybe or maybe not.

168 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:48:10am

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Think Canadian Human Rights Council. They wouldn't have to go after contributors or posters, merely those who host the venues.

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Caveat - No I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV.

169 Quilly Mammoth  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:48:11am

Charles,
I started getting "bad script" messages. here's one "Script: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] Is it my end? I use Firefox.

170 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:48:18am

The crazies just seem to multiply everywhere

171 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:49:08am

re: #141 reine.de.tout

It's called the "Fairness Doctrine" to try to keep people from understanding that what this is all about is control of information.

{reine}

172 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:49:35am

re: #167 Dianna

He was shot during capture, so maybe or maybe not.

Even if he's dead, its probable the cops would piece together a motivation so long as his identity is known.

173 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:16am

a comment on a Little Rock TV website:
"What the rumors are saying is that the shooter was laid off from Gwatney Chevrolet, which makes sense."

174 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:39am

re: #172 looking closely

Yes, but the police aren't going to say anything for hours, yet.

175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:49am

re: #168 Ford_Prefect

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Caveat - No I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV.

From the way Dems like the Global approach, I'm thinking they would love to set up something like that here in the US. Technically, the "Fairness Doctrine" itself is unconstitutional, but they're still talking about it.

176 jamgarr  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:51:05am

Prayers for Mr. Gwatney and his family.

177 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:51:27am

re: #173 pre-Boomer Marine brat

a comment on a Little Rock TV website:
"What the rumors are saying is that the shooter was laid off from Gwatney Chevrolet, which makes sense."

Another victim of the Bush economy!

/Dem's Favorite Game, "Two Degrees of George W"

178 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:51:42am

re: #153 NoSubmission

Recreate '68 Denver '08

With DNC in Mind, City Bans Carrying Urine, Feces

You've gotta FIGHT
For your RIGHT
To RIOT

I can't wait for the convention :-)

179 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:52:03am

re: #168 Ford_Prefect

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Caveat - No I am not a lawyer, and I do not play one on TV.

If a "Fairness Doctrine" were to be implemented, it is very possible the outcome of that implementation would result in media being judged similar to how the Canadian HRC judges.

180 Iron Fist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:52:51am

re: #164 jorline

It's all in who defines fair...

181 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:53:00am

re: #171 jorline

good afternoon!

I'm trying to keep up with 2 threads, and it is some kind of taxing on my abilities!

182 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:53:01am

re: #168 Ford_Prefect

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Think Canadian Human Rights Council. They wouldn't have to go after contributors or posters, merely those who host the venues.

When did Canada become a state? I am not talking Canadian law I am talking US Constitutional Law.

Since an American website can be viewed in Canada, the Canadian HRCs would claim jurisdiction (or at least try to), the same way an American author can be sued in Britain over a book that was published in the US (but not in the UK), but can be purchased from Amazon.com and shipped to the UK.

183 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:53:07am

What they are saying on the radio here in LR is that it was a white male, who drove a blue pickup truck, walked into the office and asked for the Chairman of the Democratic party, then proceeded to shoot Mr. Gwatney several times. Fled to Grant County where he was confronted by police who shot him and took him into custody.

184 Son of the Black Dog  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:53:31am

re: #178 Iron Fist

Recreate '68 Denver '08

With DNC in Mind, City Bans Carrying Urine, Feces

You've gotta FIGHT
For your RIGHT
To RIOT

I can't wait for the convention :-)

Proctologists and urologists raise prices.

185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:53:56am

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

NICOSIA — Iran has reported the development of an unmanned submarine.

Officials said the unmanned underwater vessel was a stealth platform that could infiltrate enemy defenses. They said the unmanned submarine would be deployed in the Gulf.

"The vessel would enhance the Iran Navy's defensive capabilities," Iranian Defense Minister Mostafa Najar said.

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

186 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:53:58am

re: #174 Dianna

Yes, but the police aren't going to say anything for hours, yet.

They might not have to.
See #173 above.

I hear times are tough in the auto biz right now.

187 cliffster  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:10am

re: #158 Dahveed

Some DUmmies are blaming talk radio...

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

188 Dahveed  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:15am

re: #162 jcm

BJ blame talk radio for OKC.

Obviously. Because all of us conservatives are mind-numbed robots and we have all fallen under the Limbaugh/Hannity spell. Utterly ridiculous.

189 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:35am

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From the way Dems like the Global approach, I'm thinking they would love to set up something like that here in the US. Technically, the "Fairness Doctrine" itself is unconstitutional, but they're still talking about it.

If they do talk about it they should be required to allow the other side equal time to rebut their statements...wait...

;-/

190 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:11am

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

Lets see them photoshop that!

191 Cygnus  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:17am

re: #109 jorline

OT

Charles, this does not look good.

Uh, oh.

192 Dahveed  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:19am

re: #187 cliffster

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

Well, they are nothing if not conspiratorial.

193 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:28am

re: #183 maddogg

What they are saying on the radio here in LR is that it was a white male, who drove a blue pickup truck, walked into the office and asked for the Chairman of the Democratic party, then proceeded to shoot Mr. Gwatney several times. Fled to Grant County where he was confronted by police who shot him and took him into custody.

It may be key to see if he said just those words, or if he asked for Gwatney and the person reporting the words helpfully filled in who Gwatney is.

194 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:37am

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub

"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

They call them "fish"...

195 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:38am

re: #188 Dahveed

Obviously. Because all of us conservatives are mind-numbed robots and we have all fallen under the Limbaugh/Hannity spell. Utterly ridiculous.

I don't listen to either of the above, but I would be pretty shocked to hear that either of them had recommended shooting people.

196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:07am

re: #190 CyanSnowHawk

Lets see them photoshop that!

Here it is!

197 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:09am

re: #187 cliffster

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

So, they're improving.

198 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:15am

re: #188 Dahveed

Obviously. Because all of us conservatives are mind-numbed robots and we have all fallen under the Limbaugh/Hannity spell. Utterly ridiculous.

If you play any Limbaugh broadcast backwards, you can hear "Buy a cheap handgun through the Gun Show Lophole and shoot a Democrat" over and over again.

199 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:19am

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

200 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:54am

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub


"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

Fish with grenades pinned to their dorsal fins.

/

201 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:57:00am

re: #194 CIA Reject

They call them "fish"...

Sharks with friggin' laser beams on their heads...

202 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:57:04am

re: #153 NoSubmission

Gitmo, Denver style..

"PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE MOONBATS"

203 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:57:29am

re: #180 Iron Fist

It's all in who defines fair...

The same people who were trying to defining what the definition of is, is...lol

204 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:57:50am

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney?

205 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:57:55am

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]


::cuckoo::

206 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:58:05am

re: #194 CIA Reject

They call them "fish"...

They tied little bombs to them...

207 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:58:53am

re: #180 Iron Fist

It's all in who defines fair...

Free market defines it best.

208 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:59:12am

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

"PLEASE DO NOT FEED THE MOONBATS"


At least they are prepared. The RNC in NYC was overwhelmed by protesters and of course they complained they were held too long and didn't like the conditions. LOL

209 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:59:18am

re: #201 Spiny Norman

Sharks with friggin' laser beams on their heads...

re: #206 Ford_Prefect

They tied little bombs to them...

YIKES! Forget the Navy, somebody call PETA ! :-)

210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:59:18am

re: #207 experiencedtraveller

Free market defines it best.

FASCIST!

211 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:59:33am

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

Well, sure. But if you ask Anne Rice, it's the damned vampires...

212 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:00:04pm

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

213 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:00:28pm

...

214 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney?

I see in the story that another of his 301 (including George) foreign affairs advisers said the Obama and McCain are on the same page, but it is Bush who is way behind the curve.

Really tough to come up with just one answer when you have 301 policy advisers.

215 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:00:51pm

re: #207 experiencedtraveller

Free market defines it best.

No, the free market defines who is the most interesting. Right or fair doesn't matter if you can't be interesting.

216 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:05pm

re: #156 Silhouette

Frugal, is that what they're calling it these days?

On FoxNews.com's front page, their headline reads:

Oil-Rich Nations Still Cheapskates

217 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:11pm

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

"Feeding Time at the Zoo" is the phrase that comes to mind...

218 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:21pm

re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

FASCIST!

You're right. Lets just let Barry figure everything out. ;)

219 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:24pm

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

First, they will upset the local sewer ecosystem with their foreign diets of tofu, celery, and Alice B. Toklas brownies.

This will lead to the requisite uprising by Mr. Hanky.

/buy stock in umbrellas

220 jorline  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:25pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney?

LOL...the cabinet will be made up of the cast of Oceans 11-12-13-14.

221 Semper Gumbi  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:39pm

re: #187 cliffster

Wow, it took them all the way to post #4 to start blaming talk radio hosts.

And it took us all the way to Post #5 to wonder how long until talk radio hosts would be blamed. :)

222 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:45pm

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

I am SO glad I don't live in Colorado!

Fox - Russians poised just outside Tbilisi!

223 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:01:50pm

re: #213 Spider Mensch

...

Those are three interesting points you make.

/

224 Jinx  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:02:34pm

re: #20 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I'm proud that Charles can post a story like this & not have to turn off the comments, unlike Huff Puff & Koz when any violence or illness happens to conservatives.

I agree. This is why I like this site.

In direct contrast to the "I wish they'd all get brain cancer" posts over on those hate-mongering sites when Robert Novak was diagnosed with brain cancer. Did we see that here when Teddy Kennedy was diagnosed? No.

That's just what they are--hate sites. The people that post that sort of nonsense are simply vile. I do not want to associate with them. Period.

Prayers for a speedy recovery.

And agreed, as someone put it earlier. Ballots, not bullets.

225 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:02:37pm

re: #217 CIA Reject

"Feeding Time at the Zoo" is the phrase that comes to mind...

Lots of shit-flinging involved.

/wear raincoats, officers

226 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:03:06pm

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

OT

New Iran claim: Unmanned 'smart' stealth sub


"Yes, and we've deployed hundreds, no, THOUSANDS of them into the Gulf already! What? Can you see one? Of course not. They're stealth."

it's one of these painted flat black...[Link: www.psubs.org...]

amadinejad saw it in the latest version of Archie and Jugheads Janes weaponry and whoopee cusions..

227 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:03:57pm

re: #220 jorline

LOL...the cabinet will be made up of the cast of Oceans 11-12-13-14.

Minus Bernie Mac, may he rest in piece.

228 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:04:14pm

re: #225 Ward Cleaver

Lots of shit-flinging involved.

/wear raincoats, officers

A good friend of mine who is a police officer once told be that the only difference between cops and garbage men is that the garbage doesn't talk back to the garbage men.

229 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:04:33pm

re: #199 galloping granny

Hot Air has the story and video up of Susan Rice blaming the problem in Georgia on McCain -

[Link: hotair.com...]

She should stick to writing those vampire books.

230 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:05:13pm

re: #217 CIA Reject

"Feeding Time at the Zoo" is the phrase that comes to mind...

"They use the shampoo or they get the hose again!"

231 CyanSnowHawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:05:14pm

re: #196 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Here it is!

Sharks with Frikkin' lasers!

I thought that was Dr. Evil, not half-pint DinnerJacket.

232 madisonsfriend  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:05:48pm

re: #229 Colonel Panik

She should stick to writing those vampire books.

That's Anne Rice

233 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:06:00pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

good link -but I thought his senior foreign policy advisor these days was George Clooney George C. Looney?

Fixed it for you.

234 Ford_Prefect  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:06:16pm

re: #232 madisonsfriend

That's Anne Rice

Rice all tastes the same to me.

235 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:06:23pm

re: #226 Spider Mensch

Dang, life was good back then.

Of course, I would bet the average kid had very little chance of gouging his parents for 7 whole bucks AND 75 cents shipping.

Dad: "What am I, made of money? Do you know the mortgage on this place, kid? 65 bucks, that's what! Do you know how much 7 bucks is?"

236 CIA Reject  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:06:56pm

re: #230 Pawn of the Oppressor

"They use the shampoo or they get the hose again!"

Sham-poo? They'll be flinging lots of the real poo I'm sure. Kinda like the monkey house at the Bronx Zoo.

237 Boondock St. Bender  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:07:07pm

Lets hope gwatney recovers fully from this,and his prognosis is good soon to ease his family.
I hope they nail the guy who did this to a wall.

238 galloping granny  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:08:06pm

Condi Rice is on Fox now - Russia has not ended military ops, must stop and must stop now. Humanitarian mission will be continuous and robust. Ports, sea lanes and air corriders should remain open. She is leaving this evening to meet with Sarkozy and then will fly on to Tbilisi.

239 looking closely  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:08:11pm

re: #231 CyanSnowHawk

Sharks with Frikkin' lasers!

I thought that was Dr. Evil, not half-pint DinnerJacket.

Actually it *IS* Dinnerjacket!

Iran buys kamikaze dolphins. . .

The animals were trained to attack enemy frogmen with harpoons attached to their backs,

240 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:08:33pm

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not the first time they've claimed sub technologies that turned out to be more mundane. And they've proffered superweapons that turned out to be something less - the Shkval for example.

241 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:08:53pm

Fair.

Fair #1: We all go into the grocery store, and the store charges each of us 59 cents for a can of corn, regardless of who we are, what we know, what we do, who our parents were, how much we're worth, the color of our skin, etc.
Equal amount

Fair #2: We all pay 10% of our grocery store bill in taxes. So I only buy $50 worth of food and pay $5 of tax, where Joe buys $200 worth of food and pays $20 of tax.
Equal percentage

Fair #3: I pay 28% income tax whereas Joe over there makes 3 times more and pays 40% tax.

Fair is a sticky word.

242 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:09:29pm

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

Didn't get a chance to post this on the cyanide found in Denver thread the other night.

Warren Zevon: Things To Do In Denver When You're Dead

243 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:11:15pm

Per Little Rock TV, there was a prior incident, minutes before the shooting. A man waved a gun inside a church seven blocks away. He told someone there that he'd just been laid off.

No word yet on whether it was the same man.

244 Dianna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:11:55pm

re: #204 reine.de.tout

I think he's advising on...body language.

245 Spider Mensch  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:12:17pm

...

246 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:14:26pm

re: #243 pre-Boomer Marine brat

But important information to know. Thanks

247 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:16:07pm

re: #244 Dianna

I think he's advising on...body language.

Yes, I heard that too. I also heard he's sending "lots of e-mails" advising Obama on foreign policy.

And Obama, with his 300 + 1 foreign policy advisors - had no clue what was happening in Russia/Georgia and needed a couple of days to figure it out and to figure out how to blame it on McCain.

We cannot afford for Obama to win.

248 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:17:31pm

re: #240 lawhawk

Not the first time they've claimed sub technologies that turned out to be more mundane. And they've proffered superweapons that turned out to be something less - the Shkval for example.

Word is the Iranians are also developing Light Grenades.

249 debutaunt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:19:29pm

re: #223 OldLineTexan

Those are three interesting points you make.

/

Awaiting some dashes---

250 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:20:06pm

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

i'm not....

(i already bought *lots* of popcorn! %-)

251 hazzyday  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:20:36pm

re: #247 reine.de.tout

Yes, I heard that too. I also heard he's sending "lots of e-mails" advising Obama on foreign policy.

And Obama, with his 300 + 1 foreign policy advisors - had no clue what was happening in Russia/Georgia and needed a couple of days to figure it out and to figure out how to blame it on McCain.

We cannot afford for Obama to win.

I think Obama is on the level of "good job, brownie" of Katrina fame. Not ready to lead.

252 pre-Boomer Marine brat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:20:43pm

re: #249 debutaunt

Awaiting some dashes---

Sooner or later, this thread could become afflicted with colon cancer.

/just sayin'

253 hazzyday  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:22:27pm

How come Sean Penn hasn't begun his personal Odyessy in Georgia yet?

254 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:23:38pm

re: #253 hazzyday

How come Sean Penn hasn't begun his personal Odyessy in Georgia yet?

He's been wandering Atlanta looking for Russian tanks all day.

255 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:24:39pm

re: #253 hazzyday

How come Sean Penn hasn't begun his personal Odyessy in Georgia yet?

He probably realizes that the Soviets Russians won't be intimidated by his "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!?" routine.

256 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:27:11pm

re: #212 eastvillageinfidel

This convention is not getting off to a very good start. I'm a little apprehensive about what's going to happen when the moonbats actually start arriving in Denver in large numbers.

The stupidity becomes multiplied exponentially.

257 segesta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:28:54pm

I would bet money that this shooting is non-political, either (i) wack job or (ii) disgruntled employee of the victim.

Let's see what happens, and pray for his recovery.

258 sffilk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:36:24pm

This is not good. Are there any updates on Mr. Gwatney's condition?

259 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:37:58pm

re: #258 sffilk

I heard just now. He is still critical, and the suspect is dead of gun wounds he received from the Police.

260 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:42:59pm

From the other thread, the shooter is apparently dead and said something about losing his job. So likely the same guy as the one brandishing the gun at the church.

261 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:45:32pm

Oy. I hope he recovers.

262 tradewind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:53:06pm

And news from a neighboring state.... Mary Landrieu(D,LA) gives Obama a taste of his own under-bussing....
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

263 tradewind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:55:29pm

Car dealer jokes aside, the Gwatneys are a fine family, our kids went to school with some of theirs, and they are good and philanthropic people. even if this particular one is a Dem.

264 A.W.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 12:59:45pm

Btw, breaking news is that the alleged shooter is dead. It sounds like the cops had shot him when taking him down and he has died of the wounds, but that is not 100% clear.

265 sffilk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:09:24pm

re: #259 NY Nana

I heard just now. He is still critical, and the suspect is dead of gun wounds he received from the Police.

Thank you.

266 sffilk  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:10:01pm

re: #262 tradewind

And news from a neighboring state.... Mary Landrieu(D,LA) gives Obama a taste of his own under-bussing....
[Link: www.washingtontimes.com...]

The link didn't work.

267 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:17:31pm

Must have been in a gun-free zone

268 tradewind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:26:04pm

re: #267 wiffersnapper
In AR? Not hardly.

re: #266 sffilk
I hate it when that happens.....from today's WashTimes

Landrieu declines to be Obama host

BATON ROUGE | Sen. Mary L. Landrieu, a Louisiana Democrat who faces a tough re-election, has had her name removed from a fundraiser announcement for presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.

Mrs. Landrieu will attend the "Lipstick, Laughter and Libations" fundraiser for Mr. Obama at a Washington restaurant next week, but she won't help host it.

Mrs. Landrieu's campaign said her name only was added to the online announcement of the fundraiser on Mr. Obama's Web site as a mistake. Her Republican opponent's campaign said she is trying to keep her distance from her party's presidential candidate and removed her name after they pointed it out.

269 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:42:28pm

re: #265 sffilk

The only downside is that the POS will not be questioned.

And if this were a Republican? Can you even imagine the MSM?

/Hmmm, could the Clintoon Mafia have anything to do with it?

270 SusanL  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:53:46pm

The stupid dems have already tried to blame everyone but the shooter for this. Now there is word that it was an employment dispute? Someday (ok, not likely) they will learn to look before they leap to the wrong conclusion.

I hope Mr. Gwatney recovers quickly. My thoughts and prayers are with him and his family.

S

271 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 1:55:35pm

Quoting law-enforcement officials, MSNBC identifies the shooter as Tim Johnson, age 50, of Searcy Arkansas.
No link yet.

272 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:00:12pm

re: #271 Shiplord Kirel

Quoting law-enforcement officials, MSNBC identifies the shooter as Tim Johnson, age 50, of Searcy Arkansas.
No link yet.

Here is a Tim Johnson from Searcy who seems to be involved in a dispute with employers over an injury he received on the job. And here

273 ergo sum  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:06:28pm

ABC News just announced that Gwatney has died. What a senseless tragedy. Dang! Prayers for his family and friends.

274 MoonbatBane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:13:11pm

re: #155 looking closely

Well, considering the guy who did it has been caught, it seems pretty likely the motivation for this shooting will be determined.

They guy was shot by the state police and died from his wounds shortly thereafter. We may never know why they did it.

275 MoonbatBane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:13:44pm

re: #274 MoonbatBane

Ooops, he did it, not they did it...

276 A.W.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:25:43pm

and now i am hearing that the victim has died, too. How utterly senseless.

Let's all hope that he is in a better place, now, and his family endures.

277 Rednek  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:29:08pm

Fox is reporting he is dead

278 uncleFuzzy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:37:31pm

re: #277 Rednek

Fox is reporting he is dead

Yes, I just read an updated AP article that the chairman had died.

My prayers are with this family and friends.

279 Catttt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:38:42pm

The victim has unfortunately passed away - I was really hoping they could pull him through.

280 Duane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:39:19pm

HuffPo is predictably blaming the GOP in the comments, with some nuggets as:

Search the shooter's house. I bet they find books by Hanity, ORiley, Savage and Limbauch..


and:

I hope everyone has bought some Kevlar, cause the rides JUST STARTING to get bumpy.

Que the banjo music!

281 tradewind  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:56:07pm

re: #280 Duane

They're pretty sure this nut was the same one who brandished a gun at a Baptist hq a short time earlier, and told them he had lost his job.
The local Arkansas comments are not nearly as vitriolic as Huffpo , et al..... it's just a tragedy, not a conspiracy.

282 charlie foxtrot  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 2:58:07pm

He's dead Jim.

Prayers to all.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

283 spirochete  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:10:39pm

The hospital where Gwatney was taken is literally a mile away. It's a level one trauma center. Those bullets must've taken out some vital areas if they couldn't save him. Remember this is one block in front of the capital building.

284 Biff  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:19:49pm

It will be interesting to see if there was a political motive or not. Gwatney was a long time Clinton hold-out, and might have still be a key Clinton floor leader if a nominating fight did break out in Denver.

285 Biff  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:21:56pm

re: #284 Biff
PIMF
It will be interesting to see if the shooting was politically motivated. Gwatney was a long time Clinton hold-out late in the primary season, and might still have been a key Clinton floor leader were a nominating fight to break out in Denver.

286 Dr. Shalit  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 3:42:28pm

Heard Radio Reports - Are Both the Assaulter -AND- Assaultee - DECEASED?

-S-

287 DobermanBoston  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:28:05pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Hastings said the man asked to see Gwatney. When a secretary denied him entry, he pushed his way past and into Gwatney's office.

Hastings said the two shook hands, after which the unidentified man pulled a gun and shot Gwatney.

"I don't think they knew each other," Hastings said.

Hastings commented on the man's reported demeanor: "He wasn't mad," Hastings said. "He didn't ever act mad."

He pushed his way into the office and didn't ever act mad?

288 Notakook  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:31:45pm

Yes He owned several car dealerships here.

289 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:33:27pm

Tim Johnson, age 50, a body shop worker (supposedly) laid off from Gwatney Chevrolet in Jacksonville went to where Bill Gwatney (Democratic Party leader in Arkansas) was and shot him. Gwatney later died. Tim Johnson fled towards his home in Sheridan and was shot by police on Hwy 46 in Grant Co. Johnson also died.

Both dead men were white males.

It is unknown what either man was listening to at the time.

290 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:36:29pm

re: #289 razorbacker

Sorry not Sheridan, Searcy.

291 Notakook  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:37:40pm

I live in Arkansas and heard an Unsubstantiated report that the shooter had been to the Baptist convention office (also in Little Rock) prior to going to the DNC office, and had been complaining about losing his job. Since Gwatney owned several car dealerships here, if this report is accurate it would seem to be a disgruntled former employee. I do stress that this report has not been substantiated.

The left wing blogs are in a frenzy, assuming that this was politically motivated. I hope that that is not the case.

292 maddogg  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:51:06pm

re: #289 razorbacker

Tim Johnson, age 50, a body shop worker (supposedly) laid off from Gwatney Chevrolet in Jacksonville went to where Bill Gwatney (Democratic Party leader in Arkansas) was and shot him. Gwatney later died. Tim Johnson fled towards his home in Sheridan and was shot by police on Hwy 46 in Grant Co. Johnson also died.

Both dead men were white males.

It is unknown what either man was listening to at the time.


Where did you get that information?

293 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:56:22pm

re: #292 maddogg

Most of it from the Arkansas Times blog. Arkansas Times

At a briefing less than an hour after the shooting, police said the shooter left in a blue Dodge Dakota pickup. There was some initial conflict about whether the shooter changed vehicles, but those reports seem likely to have been the product of early confusion. A chase of a blue Dodge Dakota pickup ensued minutes later and it ended in Sheridan, where police say the suspect was shot and taken into custody.

Shots were fired at the suspect as the chase neared Sheridan, with county deputies, State Police and city police in pursuit. The chase was brought to a conclusion by driving tactics -- a PIT maneuver - that forced the suspect's pickup off the road near Highway 46 and Little Creek Cutoff.

After the car ran into a field near the Winston Clinic, on the northern edge of Sheridan, there was an exchange of gunfire between police and the suspect. The man was alive when he was airlifted from the scene, but Lt. Terry Hastings of the LRPD said he died later at a hospital.

At a Sheridan news conference, State Police described a chase of roughly 30 minutes and 30 miles that ended in the suspect's fatal wounding. State Police on the Pine Bluff freeway got news of the wanted vehicle at 12:06 p.m. and spotted it at Dixon Road a few minutes later. They gave chase and followed when the driver took the turnoff to Sheridan.

Before it was over, four LR police cars, three state cruisers and Grant County deputies joined the chase. Five miles north of Sheridan, the suspect evaded a spiked puncture strip and roadblock. He was forced into a ditch near Sheridan, but kept driving. Sheridan police began shooting to disable the car, but, even with flattened tires, he kept driving on Little Creek Cutoff to its intersection with Highway 46. Finally, after multiple rammings by three police cars, as shots were being exchanged, the pickup came to a stop. The police say the suspect opened fire and officers returned the fire, finally mortally wounding him. That brought the chase to an end about 30 minutes after it began. Multiple weapons were seized, including a revolver, rifle and semi-automatic weapon.

They are now backing off the disgruntled former employee angle.

294 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 4:58:54pm

re: #292 maddogg

Gateway Pundit and Confederate Yankee have pretty good linkage to this.

295 razorbacker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:06:33pm

At risk of asking the obvious. If this is politically motivated, why shoot Gwatney? Why not one of the virtually-too-numerous-to-count Democrat office holders infesting most every state and local office in Central Arkansas?

296 BGOH  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:33:53pm

I just got home from work a short while ago, and on my way I heard about this shooting on the radio. My first thought was "Oh my God. That is just awful." About five minutes later it occurred to me that libs, being the vacant pieces of crap that they generally are, were probably going to try and score some political points out of this (I think it took me a while because it was a long day). Sure enough, I get home, do a quick perusal of lib hangouts on the net, and all of the conspiracy theories and blaming Limbaugh were in full bloom.

I never saw myself as one prone to becoming a partisan, but the more I have started to pay attention to politics and ideologies, it has become abundantly clear to me that liberalism inherently breeds this kind of callousness and stupidity by it's very nature. This kind of shallowness and willingness to instantly create pejorative hypotheticals is so foreign and offensive to me that I have a hard time describing the emotion that it generates within me.

That crap aside, I am so sorry to hear about Mr. Gwatney. I hope that God will provide comfort and caring for his family, and eternal bliss for him. I just had a friend die suddenly in a car accident last week, and the shock and sorrow that such sudden and unexpected deaths creates was stunning to me having never experienced before. Unfortunately, I have a brand new appreciation for it.

297 Zimriel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 5:59:43pm

Next stop the crazy train comes to, I'd like to get off please. :^(

298 herman92  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 7:37:30am

re: #295 razorbacker

At risk of asking the obvious. If this is politically motivated, why shoot Gwatney? Why not one of the virtually-too-numerous-to-count Democrat office holders infesting most every state and local office in Central Arkansas?

So your saying that there are other Democrats that are worthy of being shot? Ant thats an Obvious question to ask?


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