Charles, I've been getting emails from Russia advocates, sent to my "photo fraud" address, claiming the photos of the invasion and damage to Georgia are all fake, and telling me to write an exposé about it!

Crazy.

this is not going to end well.

They won't stop. It's the Olympics, they think no one is watching.

Makes the Colin Powell story seem pretty lame in comparison to what's happening in Georgia, doesn't it?

re: #5 nigella

Colin Who?

They want to use the same "fauxtography" meme to downplay Russia's misdeeds.

So far, all the "evidence" thay've sent me has been ridiculous. NOT fake.

Beware of this movement.

Hopefully they are just "showing off" prior to leaving, but things are a total mess right now.

re: #5 nigella

That and Caylee.

Sheesh!

re: #6 tradewind

Colin Who?

* * *

Colin Yellow-Cake. 550 tonnes of it just recently shipped from Iraq to Canada.

re: #1 zombie

Charles, I've been getting emails from Russia advocates, sent to my "photo fraud" address, claiming the photos of the invasion and damage to Georgia are all fake, and telling me to write an exposé about it!

Crazy.

There's a very serious propaganda effort going on. I've gotten some of those emails too, telling me to look at photos they say are faked or staged.

OT

ABC and MSNBC now reporting that Arkansas Dem chairman Bill Gwatney has died of his wounds.

Shooter is Tim Johnson of Searcy, killed by police as he fled the scene this morning.

re: #4 tradewind

They won't stop. It's the Olympics, they think no one is watching.

Maybe the Olympic Committee can send some 90-pound gymnasts to stop the Russians.

re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I am about to go on Fox News strike! Been talking about Caylee for the last 15 minutes.

Oh, wait! They just switched to McCain. Sure they'll be back on Caylee in the next five minutes or so.

All Caylee, All The Time.

It's sad, but sheesh!

re: #11 Charles

Think about it... who has the greater fauxtography capacity right about now?
It's not the Georgians, I bet.

Well it looks like the debate about supporting our Georgian allies is almost over with. By the end of the week they may be gone.

I think the Black Sea should get some new artificial reefs!
SOON!
Pretty easy to trap the entire Soviet Black Sea battle group!
One way in and one way out.

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

OT

ABC and MSNBC now reporting that Arkansas Dem chairman Bill Gwatney has died of his wounds.

Shooter is Tim Johnson of Searcy, killed by police as he fled the scene this morning.

*sigh* And there's some asshole on Michelle Malkin's site saying she's responsible.

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

That's a bummer.

Nice ceasefire ya got there, Russia!

re: #13 zombie

I want the US military to have some of that swimming tech in their arsenal!

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Such horrible news. Condolences to Mr. Gwatney's family.

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel
Damn crazy guns!
/

re: #1 zombie

Charles, I've been getting emails from Russia advocates, sent to my "photo fraud" address, claiming the photos of the invasion and damage to Georgia are all fake, and telling me to write an exposé about it!

Crazy.

It's like turning out the lights in the kitchen at night, all of the roach's come out of every nook and cranny.

re: #23 reloadingisnotahobby

Damn crazy guns!
/

Sorry for his family and friends!
RIP!

re: #6 tradewind

Colin Who?

This Colin, maybe?

I am praying for the people of Georgia.

re: #11 Charles

There's a very serious propaganda effort going on. I've gotten some of those emails too, telling me to look at photos they say are faked or staged.

Yup, that's exactly it. Except the photos are obviously not faked at all. Or, at best, are open to interpretation.

They're trying to use the power of the fauxtography "lever" to claim innocence. But the problem is, in 2006 there really was fakery going on in the Hezbollah War. In this instance, I haven't seen a single valid example.

I sense the emergence of a new concept:

faux-fauxtography

Who's Caylee?

re: #27 Lawrence Schmerel

I am praying for the people of Georgia.

* * *
Me too. 2,000 lives lost is a massacre, let's not overlook the magnitude of their murders.

Its official.

We've entered Crazy Times.

One conflict breeds another, one crazy act frees the other nuts. I think things are gonna keep spinning outward for a while.

re: #11 Charles

Wow! The propaganda machine is certainly humming right along and not missing a beat. Almost like it never stopped.

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin
Double sigh. Give me a freakin' break.....

[Link: www.cassyfiano.com...]

Dont worry, the AP is saying the move towards Tblisi is a Russian "feint".

/spit

re: #5 nigella

It sure as heck makes Powell look lame. Good heavens!

re: #31 stevieray

Its official.

We've entered Crazy Times.

One conflict breeds another, one crazy act frees the other nuts. I think things are gonna keep spinning outward for a while.

It certainly seems that way.

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont worry, the AP is saying the move towards Tblisi is a Russian "feint".

/spit

Yeah, just like Napoleon's "feint" toward Moscow, or the Ostrogoths' "feint" toward Rome.

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

*sigh* And there's some asshole on Michelle Malkin's site saying she's responsible.

Fox is reporting that the gunman, not Gwatney has died.

[Link: elections.foxnews.com...]

OT: Koskidz in hysterics......

Pelosi, We need Hate Crime Laws Protecting Political Beliefs

Regardless of whether this Arkansas shooting turns out to be politically motivated, it's become clear to me that our political climate is such that we need Hate Crime legislation for crimes perpetrated due to the political affiliation of the victims.
......
I think that as a community, we need to petition Nancy Pelosi to bring this before Congress, to make it safe for Democrats to be loud and proud, and to point out the chasm that exists between Democratic and Republican supporters in terms of violence.

In short, if Democrats want our support and we want good people with families to be running for office, we all need to have enhanced protections against the violence inherent in the Rightwing's political platform.

Heh.

re: #36 scottishbuzzsaw

Yeah, I kinda wish this had happened closer to November.
People need to be reminded that the Oval is no place for an amateur.

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

OT

ABC and MSNBC now reporting that Arkansas Dem chairman Bill Gwatney has died of his wounds.

Shooter is Tim Johnson of Searcy, killed by police as he fled the scene this morning.

God Speed, Mr Gwatney

God Damn, Mr Johnson

(only bright spot is no money spent on a trial and/ or incarceration, IMHO)

SPIT > Grave

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Question is then, what are the Soviets Russians REALLY up to? THey don't stop without a reason.

re: #1 zombie

Charles, I've been getting emails from Russia advocates, sent to my "photo fraud" address, claiming the photos of the invasion and damage to Georgia are all fake, and telling me to write an exposé about it!

Crazy.

Soviet agitprop. If you could trace it back to the original source I'd bet dollars to donuts it's coming from Levfortovo.

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Dont worry, the AP is saying the move towards Tblisi is a Russian "feint".

Don't forget, "in response to Georgian provocation."

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Tod' ya it was a screamer over there.
Got to get me one of those free Obama yard signs......

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

Do you have a link?

I can't find where Gwatney has died, anywhere. I'm looking online, local and national. I see where the gunman has died of his wounds after the 30 mile car chase, but not Gwatney...

re: #41 sattv4u2
I stand corrected. Such a shame, god bless, Mr. Gwatney.

re: #31 stevieray

Its official.

We've entered Crazy Times.

One conflict breeds another, one crazy act frees the other nuts. I think things are gonna keep spinning outward for a while.

The big question is what will this Georgia-Russia conflict breed. The Baltics, Poland, and Ukraine have made noise in Russia's direction already, and the Turks sure as hell aren't happy about this.

Never thought the Causcuses would be such a freaking tinder box. Spent more time concentrating on the Middle East south of there.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Regardless of whether this Arkansas shooting turns out to be politically motivated

So, disregarding the facts of the case, we obviously need to take action against imaginary attack against us.

What a f**king moron

Georgian gov't website reports:
Timeline by 13h of August 22:00

21:20 Russian troops begane pooling back towards north from the Tbilisi – Poti highway in Gori district. They still stay in town Gori

21:10 First cargo plane organized by American Military landed in Tbilisi International Airport.

Note the sequence of events: US planes land, 10 minutes later, Russians pull back.

Friends, Comrades, Soviets:

Remember that the purpose of a cease-fire is to continue conquering while conserving ammunition.

/KGB

re: #39 Killgore Trout

They certainly have nerve after one of their ilk wished tumors on the right.

re: #41 sattv4u2

In Arkansas, you'd be surprised how often things turn out that way (never getting to trial).
It's usually not a bad thing, either.

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

"Heh?" I think not.

Crime is crime. Adding thoughtcrime elements to prosecution is a terrible idea. It is a terrible idea now, with current hate crime laws. It will be a more terrible idea with every augmentation and extension of hate crime laws.

Just a step toward real thought crime legislation.

Once the people are comfortable with hate crime, hate will become the crime.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

the violence inherent in the Rightwing's political platform.

Republican Convention Platform Comittee Meeting CheckList
Lower Taxes ,, CHECK
Gun Owner Rights,,, CHECK
Anti-Abortion ,, CHECK
Violence ,, CHECK

re: #54 cutestguy

Gee, sounds Islamic as a matter of fact.

Another reason the islamists, leftists and fascists love each other - they recognize a fellow traveler or brother when they see one.

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

"Heh?" I think not.

Crime is crime. Adding thoughtcrime elements to prosecution is a terrible idea. It is a terrible idea now, with current hate crime laws. It will be a more terrible idea with every augmentation and extension of hate crime laws.

Hate Crime laws in general are bullshit laws. If someone commits a crime, a real crime versus someone, they should be hammered and made an example because of that, not because the victim was a special "protected" class.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

OT: Koskidz in hysterics......

Pelosi, We need Hate Crime Laws Protecting Political Beliefs

Heh.

Yep, it's really high time we finally outlawed murder.

Huh?

here in Russia I find that most people are completely supportive of Putin and Medvedev, which is not a surprise since the govt controls the airwaves. There is very little on TV mentioning that Russian troops are (or were) on undisputed Georgian territory. There are some Russians, though, who recognize that Russia is being a bully and they worry about the outcome. Two worlds . . . .

re: #56 jcm

Just a step toward real thought crime legislation.

Once the people are comfortable with hate crime, hate will become the crime.

.....and every disagreement will be "hate"

OK Now Fox is saying that police are confirming that Gwatney has indeed passed away from his wounds. Damn. :(

Re: Georgia

Frank Gaffney on Fox News Channel tonight

Center for Security Policy President Frank Gaffney is scheduled to appear twice today, on Studio B with Shepard Smith at 3:00pm and on the Fox News Report at 7:30pm, EST.

Frank will discuss the crisis in Georgia.

Note: The date and time are accurate at this moment, but, as always, other news events could result in a last-minute change.

Democrat are an oppressed minority, subject of 2500 years of suppression all over the world.

re: #46 gop_patriot

Do you have a link?

I can't find where Gwatney has died, anywhere. I'm looking online, local and national. I see where the gunman has died of his wounds after the 30 mile car chase, but not Gwatney...

For now, all I can find is a banner on the top of ABC's home page.

From my local paper: (next door in TN)

Moments before the Democratic headquarters shooting, a man with a gun threatened the building manager of the Arkansas State Baptist Convention headquarters seven blocks east. It wasn’t known if the incidents were related.

This is not looking good if the Reds are taking the capitol of Georgia. Not good at all.

Time for Ukraine to enter NATO and for us to wire our sh*t tight.

re: #61 deester

here in Russia I find that most people are completely supportive of Putin and Medvedev

Do they generally believe the stories about "Georgian atrocities", "genocide", etc.? Or they just want a "Great Russia" and don't care about the truth?

re: #66 Ben Hur

Democrat are an oppressed minority, subject of 2500 years of suppression all over the world.

Being spineless backstabbing weasels doesnt help either.

re: #31 stevieray

Its official.

We've entered Crazy Times.

One conflict breeds another, one crazy act frees the other nuts. I think things are gonna keep spinning outward for a while.

We certainly have entered crazy times. But what I find distressing is that we, as the the lone superpower, will potentially turn over control to someone who will weaken us further and even potentially weaken all democracies around the world. The Europeans cannot, or won't defend Europe. The Iranians will end up doing whatever they want. The Chinese will do what they want. If the Democrats have their way, we will let these criminals do what they want in the interest of "being nice".

I'm scared because we could be electing another Neville Chamberlain to office.

re: #9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That and Caylee.

Sheesh!

This is what bugs me about the whole Caylee thing...the last time I remember Fox being so focused on a missing person this way, it was with Chandra Levy, remember her? And guess what happened that finally got her out of the headlines? 911! Now the dead man in Denver, and the whole Russian thing all of a sudden, makes you feel like somethings gonna blow. I hope not, I hate thinking this way.

CNN

One dies after shooting at Arkansas Democratic Party headquarters
(Stupid headline, btw. He was state chairman of the party, for crying out loud.)

The chairman of the Arkansas Democratic Party died Wednesday, hours after a shooting at the party's headquarters, according to a statement from former President Clinton and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Police block off the streets surrounding the state Democratic Party headquarters Wednesday in Little Rock.

1 of 2 Police would not identify the victim, but the statement gave his name as Arkansas Democratic Party Chairman Bill Gwatney.

The shooting suspect also died Wednesday afternoon after a high-speed chase ended in gunfire, police said.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Great. Now two guys getting into a fist fight over the cracker barrel down at the General Store over politics will be a hate crime. Call the FBI!

I also love the way it doesn't matter if this is a case of a Dem being attacked for being a Dem, there IS an epidemic requiring protection. Protection by laws, because a murderer won't mind breaking the law against murder, but will think twice about breaking hate crime laws.

I'm zipping around the web trying to keep up here, did I see a link somewhere that the Russians have moved nukes into the captured areas?

re: #61 deester

here in Russia I find that most people are completely supportive of Putin and Medvedev, which is not a surprise since the govt controls the airwaves. There is very little on TV mentioning that Russian troops are (or were) on undisputed Georgian territory. There are some Russians, though, who recognize that Russia is being a bully and they worry about the outcome. Two worlds . . . .

Communism never disintegrated, it only got smaller. If you are being straight with us, welcome aboard. We strongly support your effort to bring us good intel.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

In short, if Democrats want our support and we want good people with families to be running for office,

WTF? Good people with families? Oh, like the Clinton's and Edwards'.

I love the moral high road they're taking.

re: #76 mbruce

I'm zipping around the web trying to keep up here, did I see a link somewhere that the Russians have moved nukes into the captured areas?

The report comes from a very unreliable source.

re: #76 mbruce

Think that's how rumors get started.....

re: #31 stevieray

Its official.

We've entered Crazy Times.

One conflict breeds another, one crazy act frees the other nuts. I think things are gonna keep spinning outward for a while.

Historically, conflicts flare up during the last remaining months of a lame duck presidency.

All over the place.

re: #76 mbruce

I'm zipping around the web trying to keep up here, did I see a link somewhere that the Russians have moved nukes into the captured areas?

We're pretty sure that's bunk, seeing as the source is a moonbat.

re: #61 deester

Since you are in Russia, can you report more on what is actually going on in Russia itself?

/BTW, are you anywhere near the fighting, or far away?

Putin's next target.
Ukraine: Russian ships need permission to return

re: #70 Occasional Reader

Do they generally believe the stories about "Georgian atrocities", "genocide", etc.? Or they just want a "Great Russia" and don't care about the truth?

I think mostly they earnestly believe what they are told on TV. And they do want a great Russia, strong patriotic feelings, etc.

Are we really going to sit by and watch this happen?

re: #51 Kenneth

12:35 25 civilians have been kidnapped by Ossetian separatists from the village of Tkviavi. The bus, by which the kidnapped civilians were being transported to Tskhinvali crashed, after which 4 of them managed to escape.

These are some rough roads in Georgia.

re: #80 tradewind

Think that's how rumors get started.....

And how people get RickRolled.

re: #76 mbruce

I'm zipping around the web trying to keep up here, did I see a link somewhere that the Russians have moved nukes into the captured areas?

Source is powered by moonbatteries. Give it a couple 24 hours.

I have an idea.

Let's make CRIME illegal.

Gotcha, thanks all for setting me straight, one of those things I saw out of the corner of my eye on some page.

re: #77 Sol Roth

you bet. I am being straight with you.

re: #76 mbruce

Not that I've seen; not that this means much, I'm trying to track too much.

re: #84 FreeIowa

Putin's next target.
Ukraine: Russian ships need permission to return

Well, thats sure to turn a few heads.

All right, for what it's worth, here's my take on the impact of the Russian invasion of Georgia on the U.S. Presidential elections:

During the period of the Cold War (1947-1991 or thereabouts), there were 11 U.S. elections. The Republican candidate won 7 of them (64%). It should be noted that of the four Democrats who managed to get elected, two (Truman and Kennedy) were hardcore, anti-Communist hawks, who succeeded in getting to the right of their Republican rivals on many national security/foreign policy issues during the election. (Remember Kennedy and the "missile gap").

The other two Democrats who won during the Cold War benefited from extraordinary circumstances beyond their control. In 1976, of course, Lyndon Johnson rode a wave of public sympathy in the wake of the Kennedy assassination, while in 1976 the tailwinds of Watergate, the Nixon pardon, the post-Vietnam hangover, and the mid-'70s recession carried Carter to a meager 2% victory over Ford.

Absent extreme outside circumstances such as these, Cold War-era elections pitting hawkish Republicans versus dovish Democrats tended to result in one-sided blow-out/landslides. (See Eisenhower-Stevenson in '56, Nixon-McGovern in '72, and Reagan-Mondale in '84). Lesson: when there is a clear, confirmed foreign threat out there, the American people just do not trust the Democrats to keep them safe.

What does that mean for 2008? Well, thanks to the success of the surge, Iraq (which many Democrats had depended upon to loft them to victory this fall) has receded as a campaign issue. In fact, the dramatic decline in violence there makes McCain look incredibly wise and prescient. Meanwhile, the Russian bear is resurgent, and baring its fangs and claws for all the world to see. If we look at the historical record above, that cannot possibly help Obama, probably the most dovish, liberal, inexperienced candidate ever put forward by a mainstream U.S. political party.

Bottom line: Vlad Putin (and his sockpuppet Medvedev) have given a major political contribution to John McCain; the type that can't be accounted for even by the McCain-Feingold legislation...

My $.02 worth.

re: #77 Sol Roth

This would be a good time to remind folks that Obama has received the official endorsement of the CPUSA.

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

The big question is what will this Georgia-Russia conflict breed. The Baltics, Poland, and Ukraine have made noise in Russia's direction already, and the Turks sure as hell aren't happy about this.

Never thought the Causcuses would be such a freaking tinder box. Spent more time concentrating on the Middle East south of there.

You know the Kurds are watching this carefully... they want to secede from three different nations. Iran is held together more with intimidation than allegiance, and Pakistan could rupture into a full scale civil war at any time.

The entire region is a tinderbox. The borders should have been redrawn following ethnic lines way back at the end of WWII. The region will remain unstable until those lines are changed.

re: #92 deester

you bet. I am being straight with you.

You want to give us some background on yourself or where you are and what you are hearing? You don't have to reveal personal info if you don't want, but it would be instructive. Thanks.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

OT: Koskidz in hysterics......

Pelosi, We need Hate Crime Laws Protecting Political Beliefs

Heh.

I got it! Let's make every crime, everywhere, a hate crime. That way we get tougher on all crime and the lefties won't even notice.

Ukraine's president says Russian navy ships that were deployed to the Georgian coast will need authorization to return to the base Russia leases from Ukraine.

Wow, now that is gutsy. Or foolish.

If Europe doesn't follow our lead and send signifcant peacekeeping forces to georgia, I fear we could be escorted out by Russian troops.

Don't say that can't happen. Europe won't fight!

Since you are in Russia, can you report more on what is actually going on in Russia itself?

/BTW, are you anywhere near the fighting, or far away?

I'd rather not say exactly where I am, but I am not near the fighting. Flags are at half-mast in honor of the Russian and Ossetian dead. Our city is bringing Ossetian refugees to house them for a month or so. The TV reports last night said that the 'republicans' had planned this all along.

re: #103 deester

I'd rather not say exactly where I am, but I am not near the fighting. Flags are at half-mast in honor of the Russian and Ossetian dead. Our city is bringing Ossetian refugees to house them for a month or so. The TV reports last night said that the 'republicans' had planned this all along.

Who are the 'republicans' in this context?

Possibly OT;

How is this likely to affect the present *lack* of debate in Congress over domestic energy production? This PM, I noticed that gasoline prices across the street from my home have jumped from $3.59.9 to $3.75.9/gallon.

With the Georgian pipeline in Russian hands, and the other pipeline from the region going through Iran, Europe's primary source of petroleum will be in the hands of a regime' that is , in the words of a recent New Yorker article (on Herodotus' History, describing the Persian wars), "An authoritarian state run by a possibly unstable dictator- the nightmare of liberal governments to the present day."

My guess is that this will finally make clear to anyone who is paying attention that energy is a national security issue. Which is unlikely to benefit those whose "policy" is to tell the American people to "drive small cars and wait for the wind".

As for Russia itself, this saddens me. The Russian people have been afflicted throughout their history with governments of disconnected aristocrats (the boyars), tyrants (Ivan the Terrible), ineffectual nobles (Tsar Alexander the Last), fanatics (Lenin, Stalin, & Co.), and now apparently ambitious kleptocrats (Putin & Medvedev, LLC).

They deserve better. I just don't think they're going to get it any time soon.

cheers (sort of)

eon

re: #39 Killgore Trout

OT: Koskidz in hysterics......

Pelosi, We need Hate Crime Laws Protecting Political Beliefs

Heh.

The problem with that idea is that the true haters would be the ones using the new law as a bludgeon against everyone who disagrees with them.

Kinda like the way it is now, but with the force of law behind it.

The First Amendment applies only to them, as usual.

re: #103 deester

Does Russia mess with ISPs the way the ChiComs do? If so, be cautious.

re: #92 deester

whereabouts in Russia? just wondering if feelings are different in the "center" vs. Siberia and smaller nationalities.
my Georgian friend's family left Tbilisi a few days ago for Kakheti, [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] , smart move I think.
In Russian blogs/comments I have never seen the "kick the yank in the balls, whack Ukraine/Latvia/etc. " jingoism as strident as it is now.

re: #84 FreeIowa

Putin's next target.
Ukraine: Russian ships need permission to return

Wow! Ukraine and Poland will not be taking any of Vlad's expansionist wetdream will they.

This is a very, very serious situation to those of us who were born into the Cold War. Very disconcerting indeed.

re: #76 mbruce

I'm zipping around the web trying to keep up here, did I see a link somewhere that the Russians have moved nukes into the captured areas?

Why would they do that? They can fire tac nukes from Russia or deliver them by air. Forward deployment of nukes makes no sense.

In Russia, Nationalist Pride Prevails

I guess that's why the LLLs love what's going on.

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

Why would they do that? They can fire tac nukes from Russia or deliver them by air. Forward deployment of nukes makes no sense.

Unless one was worried about an anti-missile defense system and wanted to minimize flight time to reduce the chances of being intercepted.

re: #109 Sol Roth

Wow! Ukraine and Poland will not be taking any of Vlad's expansionist wetdream will they.

This is a very, very serious situation to those of us who were born into the Cold War. Very disconcerting indeed.

Ukraine knows its now or never. Either they hold now or they're toast.

re: #98 Sol Roth

You want to give us some background on yourself or where you are and what you are hearing? You don't have to reveal personal info if you don't want, but it would be instructive. Thanks.

I am a non-Russian living in Russia for several years. Honestly, I am a bit concerned about how my postings may be tracked by Russian intelligence (also, I'm a 'hatchling' and just getting used to this), so I don't want to be too specific. I talk with Russian friends, and of course the war is a big topic right now. Generally, it seems that people here drink in what the Russian TV says, and what they say is very different from what one hears in Western outlets (to say the least).

This pretty much splits the country in half. Not a good development.

I thought Obama had already saved everybody?

re: #104 eschew_obfuscation

Who are the 'republicans' in this context?

JOOOOOOOS!

or not.

re: #106 Steffan

The problem with that idea is that the true haters would be the ones using the new law as a bludgeon against everyone who disagrees with them.

Kinda like the way it is now, but with the force of law behind it.

The First Amendment applies only to them, as usual.

Heard that The Pelosi bought into T Bone's sweet alternative energy company at IPO last year. She's part of the group opposing drilling for more oil. Naw, no corruption here.
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re: #104 eschew_obfuscation

Who are the 'republicans' in this context?

McCain. Sorry, I should have said the American political party called Republicans.

re: #114 deester

I'm surprised they're not a bit more sophisticated consumers. Just a bit. Not hugely.

re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Unless one was worried about an anti-missile defense system and wanted to minimize flight time to reduce the chances of being intercepted.

Then you would launch conventional attacks to open a gap. Moving nukes through areas not fully controlled is a very bad idea.

Lying. This is what communists do. Lying is the backbone of communist aggression and communist subversion.

left-wing progressives have the same arua.

re: #114 deester

I am a non-Russian living in Russia for several years. Honestly, I am a bit concerned about how my postings may be tracked by Russian intelligence (also, I'm a 'hatchling' and just getting used to this), so I don't want to be too specific. I talk with Russian friends, and of course the war is a big topic right now. Generally, it seems that people here drink in what the Russian TV says, and what they say is very different from what one hears in Western outlets (to say the least).

Don't get yourself in trouble, it's not worth it. You still have access to Western media obviously if you can long on here. How about turning your friends onto LGF?

re: #120 cutestguy

If they ever held onto any of the Russian weapons they're sent, the Ukrainians might have cause to worry.

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

re: #126 yochanan

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

Do large ursine creatures leave fecal deposits in old growth forests?

re: #119 deester

McCain. Sorry, I should have said the American political party called Republicans.

Very interesting. They're blaming the conflict on entities that could never had played any part in it.

It seems like the Cold War never ended right now.

re: #76 mbruce

I'm zipping around the web trying to keep up here, did I see a link somewhere that the Russians have moved nukes into the captured areas?

The reports are that 2 SS-21 missiles have been moved into the area. According to FAS, the primary armament on the SS-21 is conventional, but they are nuclear capable.

H/T pre-Boomer Marine brat for the link.

i went on google maps to acquaint myself with this part of the world. anyone know why georgia has all maps of the country deleted on this site. no cities, roads, etc are viewable.

also, color me stupid, but i was surprised by how close Iraq is to Georgia. we could have airborne troops there in a couple of hours.

re: #18 Fat Jolly Penguin

*sigh* And there's some asshole on Michelle Malkin's site saying she's responsible.

Michelle responds:
I am also guilty of last month’s shooting at a Knoxville church, for which a nutroots blogger similarly says I need to be held “accountable.”

For what? For blogging, writing columns, and authoring books with which they disagree.

Such stalwart, principled champions of free speech they are.

Lavrov: US must choose between Russia and Georgia

I AM GEORGIA!

(Wait a second! Didn't LLLs FREAK OUT when Bush said "You are either with us, or with the terrorists?!?"

re: #42 saberry0530

Question is then, what are the Soviets Russians REALLY up to? THey don't stop without a reason.

Sounds like they're letting the troops rape and pillage a bit, just to drive the lesson home.

You know. Morale, Welfare, and Recreation. Though I think our definition is a bit different from that of the Red Russian Army..

re: #120 cutestguy

Anyone keeping an eye on Belarus? I've been told the president there is more of a tyrant than Putin himself. And Belarus is right next to Ukraine...

Last I've seen, Belarus is aligned with Russia. This, IMHO, is first and foremost what makes Poland very nervous. It's a dagger pointed at Warsaw.

re: #127 taxfreekiller

#95

Puking Putin thinks the traitor Democrats via Obama or the House and Senate will keep America split in two, he thinks the commies of the msm will play fine tunes of how the Russians are just "doing what Bush did", and the Americans who do not vote, do not get involved, just along for the new car and golf,, well we will all loose our freedoms if we just sit here and eat this commie shit.

Stand up fight the Democrats like they are Russian troops who have infiltrated our country and are about to start shooting us in the back.

We must get America up off its almost dead ass, and off the greed cycle. Football, starts soon, stands full of people, its all controlled, there are ref's, there are rules. These Russians, they are not playing foot ball, there will be no rules, they will starve your grandmother, they will shoot your wife and kids, and have a drink after its done.

tick tock

Boy tfk, you got that right.

re: #128 eschew_obfuscation

Do large ursine creatures leave fecal deposits in old growth forests?

Not sure about large ursines, but Berserkeley Dumpster Muffins do.

/bbl

re: #7 zombie

zombie,it seems that they are everywhere.ck the comments under many of the news stories,alongside much of the bds bullshite are russian apologists using in many cases unusual or poor english.
(we may be taking part in an infowar skirmish)

re: #133 Ben Hur

Lavrov: US must choose between Russia and Georgia

I AM GEORGIA!

(Wait a second! Didn't LLLs FREAK OUT when Bush said "You are either with us, or with the terrorists?!?"

Note from talkback:

1. The word project is more mocking in Russian than in western languages
The word project has the connotation of a plan, a theoretical-only plan which may never get off the ground.
Rami - (08/13/2008 23:19)

re: #110 Dark_Falcon

It makes sense from the stand point of protection against American airpower taking out some T-72S is one thing striking Russian nuclear assets is quite another.

re: #129 Honorary Yooper

It seems like the Cold War never ended right now.

Why do I keep thinking hudna?

re: #126 yochanan

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

We need to beef up the American armed forces now.Where the hell is Congress?
Why the hell are people saying we're "stretched too thin" without adding that we need to correct this by building up the military?

I hope everyone sees that video of Obama telling us of all the weapons programs he wants to cut.

re: #121 Dianna

Well, there are people in all countries I guess who blindly follow the path of the 'patriot'. I think, though, that Russians are in some ways more passive than others in terms of accepting what they are told by the authorities. And we must keep in mind that the Kremlin controls what they see on TV. There are very few voices of dissent.

"This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia, where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. "Things have changed."

Just words?

re: #114 deester

keep your head low.be careful of your posts.stay safe.

re: #50 buzzsawmonkey

"Heh?" I think not.

Crime is crime. Adding thoughtcrime elements to prosecution is a terrible idea. It is a terrible idea now, with current hate crime laws. It will be a more terrible idea with every augmentation and extension of hate crime laws.

Come see the violence inherent in the system:

"the violence inherent in the Rightwing's political platform."

They are lifiting their lines straight out of a Monty Python movie. Geeesh!

re: #142 wolfie

Where the hell is Congress?

Posting on DKOS and Huffington

re#114 deester:

I don't know about Russians supporting any wars. I remember they were plenty p'ssed when the truth started coming out about afganistan.

re: #145 Boondock St. Bender

thanks

re: #126 yochanan

If they've lied about the "cease fire", there's nothing to stop the Russians from finishing off Georgia. It's their day. It's 9/11 for Georgia.

Time to kick Russia out of the international community, to replace the U.N. with an alliance of democratic nations, and to re-arm. If our European "allies" aren't with us, let them deal with the Russians alone.

re: #128 eschew_obfuscation

Do large ursine creatures leave fecal deposits in old growth forests?

SCAT AND FORNICATION found in close proximity to very tall wood objects.

gotta go. regards.

re: #114 deester

I second Sol Roth's #124. Protect yourself as you think is needed.

That said, I'm glad we have you on the team. You're a valuable resource. Welcome.

re: #131 DocDublU

i went on google maps to acquaint myself with this part of the world. anyone know why georgia has all maps of the country deleted on this site. no cities, roads, etc are viewable.

also, color me stupid, but i was surprised by how close Iraq is to Georgia. we could have airborne troops there in a couple of hours.

Two possibilities;

1. Georgian government did it to protect their forces from Russian force-on-force attacks (they can't hit you if they can't find you).

2. Russian government did it to prevent defenders from deducing troop movements (less likely- I assume the Georgian Army has good maps of their own territory and has gamed invasions on basis of likely axes of advance vs. likely objectives, etc.).

Best guess is that the Georgians did it themselves. The modern-day equivalent of burning the maps in the HQ before the enemy captures it.

/Of course, there's still aerial/satellite recon

cheers

eon

re: #128 eschew_obfuscation

Do large ursine creatures leave fecal deposits in old growth forests?

This bear has been leaving fecal matter over Georgia.

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

Then you would launch conventional attacks to open a gap. Moving nukes through areas not fully controlled is a very bad idea.

If the reports are true (highly suspect at this point), one would assume the Russians were reasonably sure of their security. Georgia really has no way to attack them other than ground forces at this point. Now on the other hand, Russia could threaten to wipe out whole cities.

re: #144 Ben Hur

"This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia, where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. "Things have changed."

Just words?

I saw that. Whatever you think about her, Rice is in charge for the moment and she threw the gauntlet right into Russia's besotted face.

re: #144 Ben Hur

"This is not 1968 and the invasion of Czechoslovakia, where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, overthrow a government and get away with it," Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said. "Things have changed."

Just words?

I sure as hell hope not.

re: #39 Killgore Trout

OT: Koskidz in hysterics......

Pelosi, We need Hate Crime Laws Protecting Political Beliefs

Heh.

Like to find that person and beat them up.

Heh again.

here is some more info:
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

re: #133 Ben Hur

As McCain said, 'Tonight we are all Georgians'.
At least I think it was McCain.....

re: #131 DocDublU

i went on google maps to acquaint myself with this part of the world. anyone know why georgia has all maps of the country deleted on this site. no cities, roads, etc are viewable.

I just looked at Google maps. Georgia map is blank of all roads, etc. that are visible on other areas. Armenia and Azerbaijan have been blanked as well. Satellite and terrain are visible.

Yahoo maps isn't blanked out but I don't know how well it stacks up to Google.

re: #133 Ben Hur

Lavrov: US must choose between Russia and Georgia

I AM GEORGIA!

(Wait a second! Didn't LLLs FREAK OUT when Bush said "You are either with us, or with the terrorists?!?"

Russia is threatening us that they won't help with Iran if we don't let them eat Georgia. They won't help with Iran anyway, and if we give in, every time we want something, they'll demand another country.

I say let Israel take out Iran NOW and remove the leverage.

re: #48 Honorary Yooper

The big question is what will this Georgia-Russia conflict breed. The Baltics, Poland, and Ukraine have made noise in Russia's direction already, and the Turks sure as hell aren't happy about this.

Never thought the Causcuses would be such a freaking tinder box. Spent more time concentrating on the Middle East south of there.

::shrugs:: The whole area around the Black Sea has been a tinderbox for centuries, if not millennia. It's just that most of the shit hitting the fan lately has come from the west and south.

If the Turks get sufficiently annoyed at the Russians, they can always close the Dardanelles. Of course, that might make Putin threaten Istanbul....

re: #156 eon

Blanking of the Google map would be an action taken by Google. Neither the Russian or Georgian government would be able to do this except via request to Google.

re: #150 the lizard

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

posted it earlier this ad fits now just as well as it did then.

OT: Meanwhile DUmmies theorize that the Dem Party Chairman killer was a LGFer.

[Link: www.democraticunderground.com...]

If you noticed a slowdown at LGF a few minutes ago, it's because a web crawler was going through our Georgia threads as fast as possible and downloading everything. Traced to somewhere in Texas.

re: #3 trailortrash

this is not going to end well.

or soon, i believe.

re: #1 zombie

I'm getting those too, especially since I'm publishing the photos, plus an unusually large number of threats. It's the Commisars of the Internet.

Gori yesterday. Tbilisi today. Is Kiev the next stop? Seems like we need to get Ukraine into NATO but quick or we are going to have Hungary and Czechoslovakia (bye bye, Czech Republic) all over again.

It's pretty terrifying to watch something you've been predicting for a couple of years come true, I can tell you. I really do wish I had been wrong.

re: #168 Steffan

That's a good thing to look for. The Turks could very easily shut the Dardenelles to Russian shipping and military movements. Russia has had designs on Istanbul for centuries.

I'm having a hard time grasping the time difference between the U.S. and Tblisi. Is it 7: N..Y.C, 8: Chi., 9: Den., 10 L.A.?

Ok. Wheels of commerce and all that.

re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

aren't most of the high profile assasins of late been of the left wing persuasion?oswald,sirhansirhan,squeaky fromm etc.?

re: #165 tradewind

As McCain said, 'Tonight we are all Georgians'.

Go DAWGS! Beat the Bears.

re: #172 Charles

If you noticed a slowdown at LGF a few minutes ago, it's because a web crawler was going through our Georgia threads as fast as possible and downloading everything. Traced to somewhere in Texas.

It wasn't me. If it was a Russkie agent, let me know where they are and I'll go, er, uh, you know, ah, taaaaaalk to them. ;)

re: #176 MandyManners

I'm having a hard time grasping the time difference between the U.S. and Tblisi. Is it 7: N..Y.C, 8: Chi., 9: Den., 10 L.A.?

Um...those numbers are hours we're behind.

re: #150 the lizard

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Priceless

re: #57 sattv4u2

the violence inherent in the Rightwing's political platform.

Republican Convention Platform Comittee Meeting CheckList
Lower Taxes ,, CHECK
Gun Owner Rights,,, CHECK
Anti-Abortion ,, CHECK
Violence ,, CHECK

Those folks on the Left need to go home and play with those wooden blocks with the big letters on them and let the adults govern.

re: #172 Charles

If you noticed a slowdown at LGF a few minutes ago, it's because a web crawler was going through our Georgia threads as fast as possible and downloading everything. Traced to somewhere in Texas.

Had to be someone in Austin.

re: #172 Charles

If you noticed a slowdown at LGF a few minutes ago, it's because a web crawler was going through our Georgia threads as fast as possible and downloading everything. Traced to somewhere in Texas.

Uh oh. Do I need to open the front door and see if something's crawling past out there?

re: #103 deester

So are the Ossetians your Sudetens?

re: #174 KimZigfeld

I'm getting those too, especially since I'm publishing the photos, plus an unusually large number of threats. It's the Commisars of the Internet.

Gori yesterday. Tbilisi today. Is Kiev the next stop? Seems like we need to get Ukraine into NATO but quick or we are going to have Hungary and Czechoslovakia (bye bye, Czech Republic) all over again.

It's pretty terrifying to watch something you've been predicting for a couple of years come true, I can tell you. I really do wish I had been wrong.

Hero to us in the Chair Force you are.

more interesting stuff for the geek set:
[Link: www.strategypage.com...]

re: #175 Honorary Yooper

That's a good thing to look for. The Turks could very easily shut the Dardenelles to Russian shipping and military movements. Russia has had designs on Istanbul for centuries.

How strange would it be to root for the Turks over the Russians were it to come to the Russians attacking Turkey?

re: #184 jorline

Had to be someone in Austin.

Heh

re: #176 MandyManners

I'm having a hard time grasping the time difference between the U.S. and Tblisi. Is it 7: N..Y.C, 8: Chi., 9: Den., 10 L.A.?

Moscow ='s New York plus 8 hours

there are sudaten RUSSIANS all over the map outside of MOTHER RUSSIA

an Putin is a nationalist THUG FASCIST

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

re: #11 Charles

There's a very serious propaganda effort going on. I've gotten some of those emails too, telling me to look at photos they say are faked or staged.

Those Russians are full of shit.

re: #14 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All Caylee, All The Time.

Who the hell is Caylee?

Another crawler showed up. This one was in Britain.

re: #192 yochanan

there are sudaten RUSSIANS all over the map outside of MOTHER RUSSIA

an Putin is a nationalist THUG FASCIST

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

Oh God I miss those days. Reagan had some excellent ads.

re: #189 Sharmuta

How strange would it be to root for the Turks over the Russians were it to come to the Russians attacking Turkey?

Strange? Not at all. The Turks had a brigade in Korea. It saved the American Army's *ss in the retreat from the Yalu.

re: #195 Charles

Another crawler showed up. This one was in Britain.

probably just left a PUB !

re: #190 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Heh

Sorry if that hits close to home, but you know the reputation of Austin in TX.

;)

re: #195 Charles

Another crawler showed up. This one was in Britain.

Pub crawler.

re: #198 sattv4u2

probably just left a PUB !

LOL!

re: #194 Wendya

Who the hell is Caylee?

Some little girl down in Florida who disappeared. Her mom is a scuzzball, and now the cops think she might have died accidentally.

re: #28 zombie

Yup, that's exactly it. Except the photos are obviously not faked at all. Or, at best, are open to interpretation.

They're trying to use the power of the fauxtography "lever" to claim innocence. But the problem is, in 2006 there really was fakery going on in the Hezbollah War. In this instance, I haven't seen a single valid example.

I sense the emergence of a new concept:

faux-fauxtography

How about taqqiyatography....

re: #192 yochanan

there are sudaten RUSSIANS all over the map outside of MOTHER RUSSIA

an Putin is a nationalist THUG FASCIST

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

Here you go....

re: #200 CyanSnowHawk

Pub crawler.

Too much Guinness.

re: #195 Charles

Another crawler showed up. This one was in Britain.

Forgive my ignorance, but why are they downloading these threads?

re: #170 yochanan

agreed. that is a great political ad right there.

re: #172 Charles

If you noticed a slowdown at LGF a few minutes ago, it's because a web crawler was going through our Georgia threads as fast as possible and downloading everything. Traced to somewhere in Texas.

Consulate in Huston.

Russian Austin.

Here's Google's statement about the absence of data for Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan:

Where is Georgia on Google Maps?

re: #185 pre-Boomer Marine brat

Uh oh. Do I need to open the front door and see if something's crawling past out there?

Lock-n-Load!
////

Let's make the bear shit his pants.

re: #202 Ward Cleaver

THAT IS A LOCAL NEWS STORY no more.

re: #189 Sharmuta

Turkey and Sweden were the only countries neighboring Soviet Union (close enough to reach by foot or boat) which would not give up defectors in the bad old days. Turkish/Soviet standoff on the Georgian border goes way back.

re: #163 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Like to find that person and beat them up

as long as you have no feelings of hate while educating your victim, you'll be clear of any hate crime.
/

re: #168 Steffan

::shrugs:: The whole area around the Black Sea has been a tinderbox for centuries, if not millennia. It's just that most of the shit hitting the fan lately has come from the west and south.

If the Turks get sufficiently annoyed at the Russians, they can always close the Dardanelles. Of course, that might make Putin threaten Istanbul....

One of the reasons that the Turks joined the Central Powers in WW 1 was a longstanding dispute with Russia over Bessarabia, the area that encompasses parts of what is now Romania (and was formerly part of the Ottoman Empire). Plus another long-standing spat over the Caucasus, which resulted in open warfare from 1870 to 1885, the most notable feature of same being the siege of Plevna in 1877, in which the Turkish Army demolished a Russian force of over a quarter-million infantry with a defense force about 1/10 that size, thanks to having Winchester repeaters while the Russians had single-shot breechloaders.

I find myself wondering just how nervous the government in Istanbul is getting right now. I also wonder (as a previous poster stated) if anyone there has noticed how close U.S. SpecOps forces are to the AO, and if they are already telling Washington, "Do not attempt to fly over Turkish territory to insert" same. (Rather like France and Spain did with USAF 'Varks during Operation DIABLO CANYON in the Reagan Administration.)

cheers

eon

re: #195 Charles

Another crawler showed up. This one was in Britain.

Creepy

Charles, I hope you're guarding against Russian hack attacks.

re: #197 pre-Boomer Marine brat

I guess it's just not something I never envisioned ever having to do.

re: #178 Boondock St. Bender

aren't most of the high profile assasins of late been of the left wing persuasion?oswald,sirhansirhan,squeaky fromm etc.?

There was an attack a week or so ago against a liberal church by a man that specifically said he hated liberals.

So, one in a row makes a crime wave.

Don't get me wrong, I do not minimize the double murder committed in Knoxville. The murderer is a nut, in the completely responsible for his actions way. His wife had filed a restraining order on him years earlier -he was always violent.

I have a question for you all. If we are landing C-17's in Tbilisi, would the Russians dare to enter the city? Would we allow that?

re: #191 sattv4u2

Moscow ='s New York plus 8 hours

So, it's N.Y.C. = 8, Chi. = 9, Den. = 10, L.A. = 11?

re: #212 yochanan

THAT IS A LOCAL NEWS STORY no more.

I agree, but you know the media. Bread and circuses.

In the comment section at the SF Chronicle on an article about a tiff between Pelosi and Lieberman -- open anti-Semitism, even though the comments are heavily moderated:

grampa 8/13/2008 2:39:09 PM
That Joe Lieberman fella' is one smart cookie - every time I f&*k up he's there to whisper the right answer in my ear! Heck, I'd make him my vp, but if I croaked he'd put the Likkud party in charge of everything, and change the national anthem to "Hava Nigila."

If you don't have real bad feelings these days, you aren't paying attention.

re: #218 Sharmuta

I guess it's just not something I never envisioned ever having to do.

I see. Yes, I can understand.

Fox News just mentioned the US Navy is delivering the aid, and the President basically said that the Russians should stay out of the way.

re: #220 GeeWiz

I have a question for you all. If we are landing C-17's in Tbilisi, would the Russians dare to enter the city? Would we allow that?

What about Sec. Rice? Will they invade with her there? If they get there first, will she show up?

re: #220 GeeWiz

I have a question for you all. If we are landing C-17's in Tbilisi, would the Russians dare to enter the city? Would we allow that?

They might. If they thought they could capture some of our personnel, they might try to do so and then use them as leverage.

re: #221 MandyManners

So, it's N.Y.C. = 11, Chi. = 10, Den. = 9 L.A. = 8?

fixed

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

The Russians will go right up to the brink.

re: #223 zombie

In the comment section at the SF Chronicle on an article about a tiff between Pelosi and Lieberman -- open anti-Semitism, even though the comments are heavily moderated:

LEFT WING ANTI SEMITISM i hear that when anyone mentions iranian nukes

re: #107 tradewind

If I were Deester, I wouldn't be putting out too much personal information on an open network, if you catch my drift. Especially if spiders from an unknown source are harvesting all of Charles's Georgia threads . . .

re: #224 godfrey

If you don't have real bad feelings these days, you aren't paying attention.

If I closed my #%@&$# eyes, will these %@$#% feelings go away?

Steve Harrigan is reporting from Gori on Fox (tape). Scary stuff.

re: #230 godfrey

The Russians will go right up to the brink.

It seems likely. I mean, who's to stop them?

re: #221 MandyManners

So, it's N.Y.C. = 11, Chi. = 10, Den. = 9 L.A. = 8?

AND ,,, if those are a.m, it would be 7 p.m Tblisis

re: #126 yochanan

There is a bear in the woods. For some people the bear is easy to see. Others don't see it at all. Some people say the bear is tame. Others say it's vicious and dangerous. Since no one can really be sure who is right, isn't it smart to be as strong as the bear? If there is a bear....

Reminds me a bit about the story of The Hunter And The Bear.

The story itself is rated R, but the punch line is a classic:

"You're not here for the hunting, are you?"

re: #233 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If I closed my #%@&$# eyes, will these %@$#% feelings go away?

only if you stopped breathing for good at the same time

re: #233 pre-Boomer Marine brat

If I closed my #%@&$# eyes, will these %@$#% feelings go away?

closed close ... PIMF
/and I should have put a /sarc on that

The Caspian sea pipeline is all about Europe The Ukraine is all about Europe.

re: #219 Silhouette

irregardless of political beliefs,these murderers are insane.history shows the extreme of any political movement is capable of heinous crimes.

re: #69 Sol Roth

This is not looking good if the Reds are taking the capitol of Georgia. Not good at all.

Time for Ukraine to enter NATO and for us to wire our sh*t tight.

You do realize that one of the person's who is responsible for the rejection of both the Ukraine's & Georgia's bid into NATO is currently negotiating Georgia's ceasefire?

What the Russian's are doing is showing the world and specifically its former clients - by our own inaction - that our(US) word means nothing, is worthless.

re: #230 godfrey

The Russians will go right up to the brink.

Moscow might want to go right up to the edge and then veer off, but do they have good enough control over their field commanders to stop an ultranationalist renegade?

re: #238 sattv4u2

only if you stopped breathing for good at the same time

...
... uh ...
gee, how do you write asphyxiation?

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

I don't know if they would take our personnel hostage. Like Mandy pointed out, Sec. Rice will be there. I have no military knowledge but read earlier on another thread that these flights would be escorted by fighter planes. Wouldn't they stick around to provide CAP?

Can anyone briefly explain what a "crawler" is ? They show up here a lot, it seems, and I have no idea what they are.

re: #229 sattv4u2

So, it's N.Y.C. = 11, Chi. = 10, Den. = 9 L.A. = 8?

WHAT?

re: #208 jcm

Hell, I love the Hill Country, but Austin's got its own little chapter of the CCPC rat there.

re: #243 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

You do realize that one of the person's who is responsible for the rejection of both the Ukraine's & Georgia's bid into NATO is currently negotiating Georgia's ceasefire?

What the Russian's are doing is showing the world and specifically its former clients - by our own inaction - that our(US) word means nothing, is worthless.

Sarkozy?

Oh brother! Fox News' reporter in Beslan is effectively broadcasting Russian propaganda. Why would they do that other than fear and stupidity?

re: #237 Steffan

Reminds me a bit about the story of The Hunter And The Bear.

The story itself is rated R, but the punch line is a classic:

"You're not here for the hunting, are you?"

ROFLMAO

re: #247 eastvillageinfidel

Can anyone briefly explain what a "crawler" is ? They show up here a lot, it seems, and I have no idea what they are.

My granddaddy useta' fish with them. You just pierce its skin with a fish hook, drop it in the water and wait.

re: #247 eastvillageinfidel

A web crawler (also known as a web spider, web robot, or—especially in the FOAF community—web scutter[1]) is a program or automated script which browses the World Wide Web in a methodical, automated manner. Other less frequently used names for web crawlers are ants, automatic indexers, bots, and worms.[2]

This process is called web crawling or spidering. Many sites, in particular search engines, use spidering as a means of providing up-to-date data. Web crawlers are mainly used to create a copy of all the visited pages for later processing by a search engine that will index the downloaded pages to provide fast searches. Crawlers can also be used for automating maintenance tasks on a website, such as checking links or validating HTML code. Also, crawlers can be used to gather specific types of information from Web pages, such as harvesting e-mail addresses (usually for spam).

A web crawler is one type of bot, or software agent. In general, it starts with a list of URLs to visit, called the seeds. As the crawler visits these URLs, it identifies all the hyperlinks in the page and adds them to the list of URLs to visit, called the crawl frontier. URLs from the frontier are recursively visited according to a set of policies.

More at Wiki
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #255 SummerSong

Love your avatar!

re: #236 sattv4u2

So, it's N.Y.C. = 11, Chi. = 10, Den. = 9 L.A. = 8?

AND ,,, if those are a.m, it would be 7 p.m Tblisis

I really don't get it. I've looke for a site to do it for me automatically but, I've not found one.

It truly sucks being this dense when it comes to numbers.

re: #254 MandyManners

thought those were red wigglers.

re: #256 GeeWiz

:) Thanks!

If this article is correct, things could spiral out of control very fast in Georgia.

[Link: freeandindependent.wordpress.com...]

Look, I do miss the Cold War, but not that much.

re: #255 SummerSong

is this used for dos attacks?

re: #254 MandyManners

My granddaddy useta' fish with them. You just pierce its skin with a fish hook, drop it in the water and wait.

And y' hammer a stake into the yard, then rub another stake across the top of it. Them big babies jus' boil up outta there.

/recommended eatin' for lizards