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Cyanide Confirmed in Denver

Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:26:33 pm PDT

Denver police have confirmed that the substance found in a hotel with a dead Somali Muslim was cyanide—a lot of it.

DENVER — Police confirmed Wednesday that they found about a pound of sodium cyanide in a Denver hotel room where the body of a Canadian man was discovered earlier this week.

Police spokesman John White identified the white powder as sodium cyanide, the crystal form of cyanide. Fire officials say they found a bottle containing about a pound of the white powder, or between a pint and a quart by volume. An expert told the Denver Post that the amount of cyanide is enough to kill hundreds of people.

The medical examiner’s office said it is awaiting test results to determine whether cyanide killed 29-year-old Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada. His body was found Monday inside Room 408 at The Burnsley Hotel, which is about four blocks from the state Capitol. White said Dirie had been dead for several days. Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered.

Foul play is not suspected and his death appears to be an isolated incident, White said. The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

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1 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:28:28pm

That is a whole lot of hurt he was getting ready to launch on somebody.

2 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:28:48pm
no apparent connection to terrorism.


That's a relief.

3 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:04pm

Hey, I always bring a pack of cyanide with me when I travel. Doesn't everyone?

4 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:34pm
Foul play is not suspected and his death appears to be an isolated incident, White said. The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

say again?

5 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:46pm
FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism


Of course not. Don't most of us pack at least a pound of sodium cyanide to take on vacation?

6 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:58pm

Hey my Cyanide Girl

7 famousmortimer78  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:01pm

Apparently maid service at the Burnsley isn't so great, given that a corpse can go undiscovered for SIX DAYS...

8 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:18pm
the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Sure- why, we find foreigners with cyanide daily!

9 solomonpanting  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:29pm

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Of course not. He was an pest exterminator for the city of Denver.

10 famousmortimer78  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:32pm

You know that cyanide was probably left by the Gideons anyways

11 astronmr20  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:31:01pm

At this point, I'd say they have to prove that it's NOT terrorism. Looks like a "work accident" to me.

Afraid this one is going to go down the memory hole.

12 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:31:48pm

OMG, Thank You FBI for your hard work.

13 Macker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:11pm

A Work Accident, perhaps?

14 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:13pm

re: #1 rawmuse

That is a whole lot of hurt he was getting ready to launch on somebody.

Hey RW it was only a pound ... lighten up.

/

15 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:18pm
The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

This is the same FBI that lost wire taps becuase they didn't manage tp pay their phone bills.

Must be Opposite Day today in Denver.

16 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:29pm

O.K. I have to say I always travel with anthrax. Don't we all? How would anyone connect a Muslim with this substance as a terrorist? sarc/off

17 LoFlyer  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:34pm

No doubt the FBI will downplay every aspect of the incident. One pound of anthrax would kill every soul in Denver, even the liberals.

18 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:37pm

Closest thing he got to "snow"

19 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:33:53pm

re: #4 twincitiesgirl

say again?

Yeah, I was doing the cartoon headshake over that one.

20 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:34:27pm

Wait, he was in Denver right? Obviously he was a Republican sympathizer right. You know the Democrat convention and all.....

21 calcajun  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:34:39pm

...but we want to stress there is no indication of any terrorist activity.

Sheesh.

22 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:34:55pm

re: #16 nigella

O.K. I have to say I always travel with anthrax. Don't we all? How would anyone connect a Muslim with this substance as a terrorist? sarc/off

How did anthrax enter the thread?

23 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:10pm

re: #14 Bobibutu

OK I'm upside down dyslexic.

RM - RM

24 hack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:43pm

"i question the timing and blame bush" will be the common theme from the left after this news.

25 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:46pm

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.


I find it odd that the FBI spits out this statement before the investigation is even complete.

26 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:59pm

Sorry all I meant cyanide.....

27 cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:36:36pm
but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Just your average guy with a pound of cyanide and a muslim name who somehow ended up dead in a hotel room in the city of an important upcoming political convention. Nothing to arouse the curiousity of the FBI.

28 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:12pm

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

29 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:33pm

"no evidence of terrorism... yet" is the standard placeholder phrase, with my slight modification.

30 LoFlyer  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:35pm

re: #22 rawmuse

How did anthrax enter the thread?

White powder, could be anthrax spores, cocaine or talcum powder; take your pick!

31 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:36pm

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright is anything but.

32 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:41pm

re: #26 nigella

Sorry all I meant cyanide.....

Yeah ... that's the stuff ... got some right here! BTW there is a special on.

Give me a freekin break!

33 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:38:09pm

How did he get there-fly or drive? Either way he had to go through customs with that stuff. Or did he get it from someone in the US?

34 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:39:49pm

I have to apologize for my errant spelling. Had all three of my Grand kids today and have indulged in a bit more wine than usual!

35 kuffar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:40:27pm

I can only imagine how the party of self-deception, conspiracy theorists and Daily Kos ragers would handle chemical terrorism carried out on the DNC by a Muslim man...

36 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:40:34pm

Kathy Wright ... Hon, you keep on with the party line ... good paycheck security.

The counterintel troops have got to be working overtime as we post.

37 mattm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:41:46pm

Terrorism? What terrorism? What is terrorism, ten pounds, 20? Mass dead people?

38 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:14pm

Having a pound of sodium cyanide handy is not terrorism?
What the hell else could it be?

39 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:15pm

re: #28 nigella

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

I've got some arsenic.
Maybe we could pool our resources...

40 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:21pm

re: #25 Maximu§

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.


I find it odd that the FBI spits out this statement before the investigation is even complete.

SOP! Just like TV in lock up is the highest priority to get fixed if it goes down.

41 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:38pm

re: #28 nigella

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

Well, I know I would never pack cyanide instead of clothes when travelling from one place to another.

42 ted  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:43:04pm

The head of the Arkansas Democratic Party shot dead in cold blood today...Cyanide in Denver...etc:

What next ?

43 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:43:39pm

re: #39 Killer Tomato

I've got some arsenic.
Maybe we could pool our resources...

WOW ... maybe we could really stir up some "shit".

/

44 jmorris42  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:43:41pm

Sure I'd hate to be the one having to say "Nothing to see here, move along..." with a straight face, but there is method to the seeming madness.

The goal of terrorism isn't killing people. It's terror. If the FBI admitted the obvious and the media gave it half the coverage Greta (Nancy for CNN viewers) gives a random missing white girl half the country would be in a blind panic by tomorrow and buying out every army surplus gas mask available.

45 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:44:21pm

Well, I hope the FBI did the right thing and posted the Sodium Cyanide on Ebay.... you know..... to make the government a little extra dough.... seeing that it isn't a terrorism thing.... type thing....

46 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:44:44pm

re: #38 FightingBack

Having a pound of sodium cyanide handy is not terrorism?
What the hell else could it be?

Revenge on your mother-in-law?

47 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:00pm

re: #43 Bobibutu

Well it isn't much. I just happen to have a couple ant traps on hand.

48 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:08pm

I took a Kalashnikov and a FAL on my last vacation.

49 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:19pm

re: #39 Killer Tomato

I've got some arsenic.
Maybe we could pool our resources...

I'll bring the diesel oil and ammonium nitrate. We'll make it a party.

50 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:29pm

Bobibutu,probably trying to keep the truth from those of us who would panic. You know , "What you don't know won't hurt you." I disagree totally of course, but they probably don't want people to panic.

51 lizardbennet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:45pm

It's scary that a Muslim guy was found in a Denver hotel room with a pound of cyanide--but in a way it's scarier that the FBI would release a statement that there's no apparent connection to terrorism. What the hell is that?

52 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:18pm

I think with only weeks to go until the convention, it's possible the FBI wants to downplay any terrorist connections in order to not cause any panic. Perhaps in the thinking of the FBI, one person isn't worth calling this a terrorist case, but if there was a wider conspiracy, perhaps they would. I'm not buying that this guy wasn't on a jihadi mission of his own, but perhaps they are just looking to quell any sort of panic.

Plus- there's the real possibility of moonbats spinning any FBI talk of terrorism into wild-eyed conspiracies. Just a thought.

53 solomonpanting  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:18pm

The very next sentence after "FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism" she says

"You have a suspicious substance that was found in a hotel room in conjunction with person being a foreign national, and we have a lot of questions and that is why we are assisting,"

Apparently, one of the questions has nothing to do with terrorism.

54 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:33pm

re: #46 Bobibutu

Revenge on your mother-in-law?

Starting your own nylon stocking plant.

55 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:35pm

re: #47 Killer Tomato

Well it isn't much. I just happen to have a couple ant traps on hand.

Shifo Dude/Dudess - it's a start!

56 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:59pm
no apparent connection to terrorism.


I guess Al Qaeda members have learned to leave their official ID cards back home when they travel.
What, pray tell, would an apparent connection look like?

57 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:14pm

re: #51 lizardbennet

It's scary that a Muslim guy was found in a Denver hotel room with a pound of cyanide--but in a way it's scarier that the FBI would release a statement that there's no apparent connection to terrorism. What the hell is that?

What's scarier is the guy and his family most likely live within 1/2 a mile of me.

58 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:19pm

re: #42 ted

The head of the Arkansas Democratic Party shot dead in cold blood today...Cyanide in Denver...etc:

What next ?

I dunno, this new movie called "Tropic Thunder" seems like a total hoot. Just watched the trailer.

59 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:32pm

And they are saying this isn't terrorism?! Give me a freak'in break. What would your average Somali Muslim from Ottawa Canada do with a pound of cyanide? In Denver? Just before a huge event is scheduled there?

Yea.. right.

I also believe John Edwards isn't the father.

60 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:56pm

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

..and in other news we found the shark. The Amity beaches will be open this weekend/

61 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:48:02pm

re: #19 Noam Sayin'

On a loosely related note. Years ago I worked for the postal service as a temp over the Christmas holidays. I worked with many Somalis--very nice people. One of the things we were told was to watch out for suspicious mail. Oddly shaped letters, packages, etc.

One day I found a letter that was lumpy and had an odd string hanging out of the envelope. When I very slowly removed it and took it to my supervisor (as instructed) She looked at it tapped it hard on the side of her desk and said--oh I don't think that's anything. She should have stopped at the I don't think part.

Lesson learned--clear the area then send the supervisor over to investigate.

62 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:48:38pm

re: #54 OldLineTexan

Starting your own nylon stocking plant.

I guess it's under Miscellaneous ... wheeeeeeee

63 Lawrior  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:49:17pm

Oh sure, the foreigner with the "different" name just happens to be the one that the warrants bringing in the FBI. Did the FBI hassle anyone else with a pound of cyanide? No. This smacks of racial profiling, and the Democrats should demand an apology immediately.

Seriously, what are the odds that if this makes it to the MSM, the deceased is portrayed as a right-winger?

64 lizardbennet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:49:39pm

re: #52 Sharmuta
The FBI statement makes me feel like the government has been overrun by pod-people. How's that for a wild-eyed conspiracy theory?

65 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:49:51pm

re: #61 twincitiesgirl

On a loosely related note. Years ago I worked for the postal service as a temp over the Christmas holidays. I worked with many Somalis--very nice people. One of the things we were told was to watch out for suspicious mail. Oddly shaped letters, packages, etc.

One day I found a letter that was lumpy and had an odd string hanging out of the envelope. When I very slowly removed it and took it to my supervisor (as instructed) She looked at it tapped it hard on the side of her desk and said--oh I don't think that's anything. She should have stopped at the I don't think part.

Lesson learned--clear the area then send the supervisor over to investigate.

Did she start out testing bombs with Bugs Bunny?

66 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #59 Yankee Division Son

And they are saying this isn't terrorism?! Give me a freak'in break. What would your average Somali Muslim from Ottawa Canada do with a pound of cyanide? In Denver? Just before a huge event is scheduled there?

Yea.. right.

I also believe John Edwards isn't the father.

I have a friend that is a therapist who will provide free counseling for you.

67 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:28pm

re: #62 Bobibutu

I guess it's under Miscellaneous ... wheeeeeeee

Going for the niche market, eh?

Smaaaarrrrt.

68 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:46pm

I'm curious to know what Kathy Wright scored on the "Identifying Signs of Possible Terrorist Activity" section of the FBI entrance exam.

69 lizardbennet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:52pm

re: #57 Canadian Guy
Yeah, I lived within a 1/2 mile of Mohammad Attah.

70 Truth Dr.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:10pm

The FBI sensitivity training is clearly working.

71 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:11pm

Muslim from Canada in a Denver hotel room

Shortly before a major political event

In possession of a pound of deadly poison

Found dead in a hotel room

Any questions?

Not really said Kathy Wright, FBI spokesperson

72 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:16pm

A pound of cyanide here, a pound there.

It's hard to keep track.

73 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:21pm

re: #56 redshirt

What, pray tell, would an apparent connection look like?

No one knows. The FBI has never seen one.

74 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:30pm

re: #48 The Other Les

I took a Kalashnikov and a FAL on my last vacation.

Where the hell did you go? Kandahar?

75 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:54pm

re: #64 lizardbennet

Well, I agree with #44.

76 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:52:31pm

re: #74 Cartman

Where the hell did you go? Kandahar?

North Carolina.

77 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:52:38pm

Even if the FBI announced this was terrorism (muslim in a hotel room a few weeks before a major political convention, with enough cyanide to kill hundreds) moonbats would only deny that it was in fact terrorism related, and argue that it was most likely a Republican false flag operation.

78 Truth Dr.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:52:41pm

Maybe he was part of the Omar Khadr defence team.

79 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:53:02pm

re: #67 OldLineTexan

Going for the niche market, eh?

Smaaaarrrrt.

niche is where it's at. You have it right OLT.

80 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:53:08pm

I am pretty sure one of the jobs of the FBI is to NOT say anything stupid, immediately. Save it for later, maybe.

81 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:53:14pm

The odd question is why this ninny would have this stuff.
Sodium cyanide
You can use it to poison the kool-aid, but that doesn't make it a mass-attack terrorist weapon.

82 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:54:07pm

If he was chock full o' cyanide, maybe he didn't decompose and they won't need to embalm him.

83 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:55:48pm

Hey all y'all - not too late to this party, LOL!
I really hate to go off topic (maybe there's a reason the FBI wants to say there appears to be no link to terrorism for their own reasons, not for public consumption) but I've not been all that well today and just wondered where the hell the Russians are in Georgia and where is our Navy AND did the Russians offer any resistance to the Air Force plane landing to drop off humanitarian aid (or to it's taking off again)?

84 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:01pm

re: #81 MikeySDCA

from your link

Sodium cyanide is mainly used to extract gold and other precious metals in mining.


See? He was just going mining. Now move along...

85 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:26pm

re: #81 MikeySDCA

The odd question is why this ninny would have this stuff.
Sodium cyanide
You can use it to poison the kool-aid, but that doesn't make it a mass-attack terrorist weapon.

Stupid is as stupid does ... or something like that ... personally ... I think these folks are not playing with a full deck.

86 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:54pm

I'm not so inclined to hop on the "FBI are idiots" bandwagon. Firstly, if you know any agents, you'll know they're not idiots.

Secondly, we don't know what they know.

Thirdly, at this point in an investigation they couldn't care less what we know. If there's a connection -- or a suspected connection -- there's little reason for them to say so, unless they need the public's help.

So I'm willing to give it a few days and see what emerges.

87 rorschach  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:56pm

Just build the doggone fence.


/uhm, that would be fence numero deux...

88 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:57pm

re: #84 Killer Tomato

from your link


See? He was just going mining. Now move along...

No wonder he was in Denver. Looking for the Nuggets, not the goldbricks.

Thank you, citizen.

89 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:57:16pm

re: #83 realwest

Hey RW, might want to check some of the other threads. Nothing too encouraging happened today, IMHO.

90 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:57:24pm

re: #84 Killer Tomato

from your link


See? He was just going mining. Now move along...

Yup, just your average dead muslim gold miner. Happens all the time.

91 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:57:33pm

I'm curious now. Hey FBI - what exactly fits the criteria of being a terrorist incident?

92 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:02pm

re: #76 The Other Les
You brought a Kalashnikov and a FAL on your last vacation to North Carolina (a/k/a my favorite State)?
Why?

93 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:03pm

re: #85 Bobibutu

Entirely agree about the card count, but I'm still intrigued about what he was going to do with it. I think this kind of question is worth thought.

94 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:09pm

I'm going to rewrite the FBI statement for sane people, please:

29-year-old Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada was found dead Monday. A pound of sodium cyanide was in his hotel room. We don't know what his connections are as yet, but we are investigating as quickly as we can, and we'll let the public know as soon as we do. Nothing is apparent, but it rarely is until we investigate, and that does take time. We're on the case.
Thank you.

95 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #94 FightingBack

I'm going to rewrite the FBI statement for sane people, please:

29-year-old Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada was found dead Monday. A pound of sodium cyanide was in his hotel room. We don't know what his connections are as yet, but we are investigating as quickly as we can, and we'll let the public know as soon as we do. Nothing is apparent, but it rarely is until we investigate, and that does take time. We're on the case.
Thank you.

Yes. Exactly.

96 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:54pm

re: #91 Racer X

I'm curious now. Hey FBI - what exactly fits the criteria of being a terrorist incident?

The perp yells "Alley Oop Snackbar!" as they attack.

97 E.T.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:44pm

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

98 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:50pm

re: #96 rawmuse

The perp yells "Alley Oop Snackbar!" as they attack.

LOL!

99 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:58pm

re: #89 rawmuse Well I would, but they are at least one, maybe two threads back and I wondered if anyone's heard anything since then.

100 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:59pm

re: #96 rawmuse

The perp yells "Alley Oop Snackbar!" as they attack.

And here I always thought it was "Aloha Snackbar!" D'OH!

101 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:10pm

re: #92 realwest

You brought a Kalashnikov and a FAL on your last vacation to North Carolina (a/k/a my favorite State)?
Why?

I bought them in Minnesota (both semi-auto) and took them to Nroth Carolina to show to a friend.

102 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:12pm

re: #86 Cognito

I have known many who are NOT idiots.... but definitely some who ARE.

103 Pawpaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:44pm

re: #17 LoFlyer

No doubt the FBI will downplay every aspect of the incident. One pound of anthrax would kill every soul in Denver, even the liberals.

Liberals don't have souls.

104 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:54pm

Until they have more facts, I think it's in the FBI's best interest to say something like "not terrorist related". It's not that I'm not skeptical, but it's the same reasoning that the msm and law enforcement officials have to say things like "alleged killer" when they make arrests.

105 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:16pm

re: #97 E.T.

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

Was it a Democrat food color? Locally grown? Organic?

/ask the IMPORTANT questions!

106 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:28pm

re: #101 The Other Les
Ah, I'm glad you cleared that up for me - starting to
think I may be undergunned here! LOL!

107 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:31pm

re: #97 E.T.

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

Water, I'd guess.

Or in the really slow version, airborne particulate.

108 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:34pm

Whatever happened with that incident earlier this year in Vegas where a guy was found near death in a hotel room with a vial of ricin?

109 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:55pm

re: #97 E.T.

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

That'd never work. No one's going to be eating there anyway - remember the lack of edible food to be served?

110 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:02:05pm

re: #99 realwest

Well I would, but they are at least one, maybe two threads back and I wondered if anyone's heard anything since then.

Well, I will tell you what didn't happen, the Russians did not withdraw.
Hope you are feeling better soon!

111 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:02:29pm

I wonder what else was in that hotel room.

The Cult™ handbook perhaps?

(Koran)

112 badger1970  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:02:34pm

No, no. Nothing to see here. Nope, nothing at all. He...he..oh yeah, he was working for Cyanide'r'us. Here take a look at this shining light. *poof*

Heaven forbid that the FBI will admit to almost having a lunatic take out a fair amount of the population without their knowledge.

113 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:01pm

How much cyanide would it take to reliably kill a person, and does it have to be ingested or is there another way?

As I remember the Nazis that were captured or cornered in 1945. They killed themselves with glass ampules of cyanide that must have been very small.

114 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:22pm

re: #108 neocon hippie

He's alive. He made the ricin for reasons which remain unclear, except that he's a whacko.

115 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:56pm

I have serious doubts there is no foul play involved here.

A muslim comes in through Canada, ends up in Denver just before the Democrat Convention and has a ton of a deadly poison? I mean, come on, who carries cyanide around?

"Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism." Ah, the incident most certainly does have an "apparent" connection to terrorism. It looks very much like that's what was intended. Man I hate officials who make statements like that. They continually say "There is no connection to terrorism", even when there are clear connections to terrorism. Sherlock Holmes she ain't.

116 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:56pm

re: #86 Cognito

I'm not so inclined to hop on the "FBI are idiots" bandwagon. Firstly, if you know any agents, you'll know they're not idiots.

Secondly, we don't know what they know.

Thirdly, at this point in an investigation they couldn't care less what we know. If there's a connection -- or a suspected connection -- there's little reason for them to say so, unless they need the public's help.

So I'm willing to give it a few days and see what emerges.

I agree. It's always fun to poke fun and they are a big target. These guys and gals play dumb and have been trained that way. I have friends who are SS and FBI and my Grandfather was FBI ... they can take the heat and smile.

Do not toy with them. They get the job done. And a lot of it goes unnoticed.

117 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:04:54pm

re: #110 rawmuse Thank you for that.
Guess I'd better head back to the most recent thread/comments.

118 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:09pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Until they have more facts, I think it's in the FBI's best interest to say something like "not terrorist related". It's not that I'm not skeptical, but it's the same reasoning that the msm and law enforcement officials have to say things like "alleged killer" when they make arrests.

"not terrorist related" is a statement of fact. Seems a bit premature to me to say anything one way or the other. Better to say "just don't know". Otherwise their statement is an unwanted palliative.

119 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:17pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Until they have more facts, I think it's in the FBI's best interest to say something like "not terrorist related". It's not that I'm not skeptical, but it's the same reasoning that the msm and law enforcement officials have to say things like "alleged killer" when they make arrests.

Ahh, I wish they would just say, "We are investigating", and tell us there is or is not a terrorist link when they've finished investigating.

120 williwonka  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:17pm

Having a full stomach and being overweight offer some defense.

Wikipedia says:

Terrorism

In 2003, Al Qaeda reportedly planned to release cyanide gas into the New York City Subway system. The attack was reportedly aborted because there would not be enough casualties.[6]

In 1995 a device was discovered in a restroom in the Kayabacho Tokyo subway station consisting of bags of sodium cyanide and sulfuric acid with a remote controlled motor to rupture them in what was believed to be an attempt to produce toxic amounts of hydrogen cyanide gas by the Aum Shinrikyo cult[7]

[edit]

121 kahall  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:21pm

Hold on it's just a Canadian. What is the big deal?

122 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:44pm

maybe the FBI knows how difficult it would be to employ this stuff for mass murder.... and they have adopted their stance as a means of keeping people disinterested.

(but the guy with it didn't understand things and very well could have had "grand" ambitions....)

123 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #113 Cicero05

Very few such cases happened, although one was Heinrich Himmler. That was small glass ampoules of potassium cyanide, much more lethal than sodium,

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:40pm

re: #109 Killer Tomato

That'd never work. No one's going to be eating there anyway - remember the lack of edible food to be served?

Now there are studies showing frequent tofu consumption leads to decreased brain functions. Maybe the idea of banning edible food at the Dem convention is not such a bad idea after all.

125 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:46pm

Ah, he was just going to poison pigeons in the park — T.L.

Nothing in any religion
Compels us to love the pigeon — O.N.

126 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:50pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

Ahh, I wish they would just say, "We are investigating", and tell us there is or is not a terrorist link when they've finished investigating.

And I agree, but I think there is something to be said for trying to prevent any sort of panic. Especially in light of the upcoming convention.

127 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:55pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Exactly especially when you can be sure the CAIR folks will be screaming racist otherwise.

/my computer is acting up a lot lately

128 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:58pm

This is interesting:

Demonstrators perform a traditional "war dance" during a demonstration by supporters of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in front of the Georgian consulate in Istanbul August 13, 2008.

A war dance at an anti-Georgian rally.

Gosh! What a surprise!

129 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #112 badger1970

No, no. Nothing to see here. Nope, nothing at all. He...he..oh yeah, he was working for Cyanide'r'us. Here take a look at this shining light. *poof*

130 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:07:04pm

re: #66 Bobibutu

I have a friend that is a therapist who will provide free counseling for you.

I really didn't think the sarc tag was necessary..

131 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:07:04pm

Okay this is creepy

re 1993 WTC attack

The bomb exploded in the underground garage at 12:18 pm, generating a pressure estimated over one GPa and opening a 30-meter-wide (98 foot) hole through four sublevels of concrete. The detonation velocity of this bomb was about 15,000 ft/s (4.5 km/s). There remains a popular belief that there was cyanide in the bomb, which is reinforced by Judge Duffy's statement at sentencing, "[y]ou had sodium cyanide around, and I’m sure it was in the bomb." However, the bomb's true composition was not able to be ascertained from the crime scene and Robert Blitzer, a senior FBI official who worked on the case, stated that there was "no forensic evidence indicating the presence of sodium cyanide at the bomb site." Furthermore, Yousef is said only to have considered adding cyanide to the bomb, and to have regretted not doing so in Peter Lance's book 1000 Years For Revenge

.

132 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:02pm

People who throiw cyanide should live in gas houses.

133 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:44pm

re: #123 MikeySDCA

Very few such cases happened, although one was Heinrich Himmler. That was small glass ampoules of potassium cyanide, much more lethal than sodium,

I think Hitler bit one too, but he immediately followed it with a .9 mm chaser to the brain.

134 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #86 Cognito

Very true--I wonder why the public at large doesn't seem to understand this.

135 williwonka  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #113 Cicero05

I looked it up and it was too complicated. Micro grams per pound of weight in rabbits, rats and mice.

Does one know the difference if he has been killed unreliably? Can a reliable person be killed unreliably?

136 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:55pm

re: #93 MikeySDCA

Entirely agree about the card count, but I'm still intrigued about what he was going to do with it. I think this kind of question is worth thought.

Absolutely ... greater minds than ours are working overtime on your question.

One pound - powder - run wild and scatter? "Amok" is a Malay/Indonesian word incorporated into our language.

It is real and we need to understand the definition.

137 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:09:06pm

re: #133 Cicero05

True.

138 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:09:26pm

I don't think we're painting the FBI as the gang that couldn't shoot straight, I think we'd just appreciate it if they'd stop treating us like we're 4 year olds. You don't know - say you don't know.
I'm not saying they should panic the population, but this steady drone beat of 'go back to sleep' isn't exactly helpful, either.

139 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:12pm

re: #138 Killer Tomato

Bullseye.

140 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:44pm

re: #130 Yankee Division Son

I really didn't think the sarc tag was necessary..

Fair enough

141 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:52pm

re: #138 Killer Tomato

"Go back to sleep" is an insult actually.

IMHO.


Good Night All

(HA)

142 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:54pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

And I agree, but I think there is something to be said for trying to prevent any sort of panic. Especially in light of the upcoming convention.

Ah, the old don't panic them canard. That is the sort of BS that breeds a different sort of panic - the bastards are lying to me routine that leads to all sorts of conspiracy crapola.

143 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:11:39pm

re: #135 williwonka

Does one know the difference if he has been killed unreliably? Can a reliable person be killed unreliably?

You need to be sure you don't just piss off the victim.

144 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:11:45pm

Obrigado, amigos!

145 Opilio  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:12:01pm

re: #113 Cicero05

How much cyanide would it take to reliably kill a person, and does it have to be ingested or is there another way?

As I remember the Nazis that were captured or cornered in 1945. They killed themselves with glass ampules of cyanide that must have been very small.

The oral LD50 for NaCN in animal studies is 5-10 mg/kg. If this scales up to humans, a gram would probably be reliably fatal to most people, possibly a little less.

146 Timbre  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:14:14pm
"Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered."

Lay off he janitorial staff, folks. The "Do Not Disturb--Packaging Cyanide" sign means just what it says.

147 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:15:46pm

re: #135 williwonka

I looked it up and it was too complicated. Micro grams per pound of weight in rabbits, rats and mice.

Does one know the difference if he has been killed unreliably? Can a reliable person be killed unreliably?

Even if it only made the victims sick the person/people doing the attack would get a result they wanted. Look at the panic over the "tainted" tomatoes and now add a political event to the mix.

148 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:15:46pm

re: #145 Opilio

The oral LD50 for NaCN in animal studies is 5-10 mg/kg. If this scales up to humans, a gram would probably be reliably fatal to most people, possibly a little less.

So a pound is 453 doses, as long as nobody takes more than they really need.

149 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:15:53pm

Aifia Siddique, the al-Qaeda bitch had cynide did she not?

150 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:16:28pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

No, none at all.

Just your everyday cyanide mishap.

151 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:17:05pm

re: #142 The Shadow Do

I'm sorry, but do you have proof the FBI is lying about this? Or should we just start calling every whacko or criminal out there a terrorist?

152 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:18:46pm

re: #41 reine.de.tout

I actually think the airlines instituted an additional fee for traveler's cyanide.

153 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:18:54pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, but do you have proof the FBI is lying about this? Or should we just start calling every whacko or criminal out there a terrorist?

Shadow Do isn't saying anyone is lying. He or she was speaking in the voice of someone paranoid, in that sentence...

154 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:19:01pm

re: #146 Timbre
"Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered."

Who are these friends? And how do they know?

155 williwonka  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:19:06pm

re: #86 Cognito

Agree with your post.

The is some minimal advantage to not convincing others of interest that you are hot on their trail.

Perhaps some will be overconfident or at least not make it even more difficult to find them.

156 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:19:25pm

This was one crummy, effed-up day. Let's hope tomorrow's better.

Weet dreams all.

157 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:20:11pm

Good Evening Lizards! it was humid, but overall, a pleasant day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

On a positive Note, kids from all over the world are living their dream. Sorry if it seems an "over-the-top Pollyanna" viewpoint, but I am thrilled for them.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

158 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:03pm

re: #154 FightingBack

I do find it strange that a hotel would let a room go for 6 days without housekeeping notifying someone.

159 superdaveTWC  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:17pm

Sodium cyanide (NaCN) is useful in chemistry for a variety of reactions (no, get your own Ph.D. in chemistry). It can be obtained through legitimate channels for legitimate purposes. I cannot conceive of many which involve tourism to Denver other than industrial gold mining.

Of course, industrial gold mining using sodium cyanide is not economical if you have only a pound (~450 grams) of NaCN, and you need to travel from Canada to Colorado.

Either he was extremely suicidal and wanted NO CHANCE of failure and wanted to be SURE he died at an altitude of 1600 meters above sea level, OR he was an idiot, OR he was intent on killing someone in Colorado, OR he was on his way to some other place to kill someone , OR he was part of a group of people with a nefarious plot (i.e. a terrorist), OR he was simply a cyanide collector.

I just don't know the answer. Maybe he used it sparingly to spice up his food?

160 BLBfootballs  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:22pm
The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Well, gosh! What kind of an Islamophobe would suggest something like that?

161 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:28pm

re: #157 ggt
We're taking a survey. How much cyanide do you usually pack to take on vacation?

162 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:31pm

I have been wondering the subthreads, and then find we are on a topic that interest me. And a good one too.

163 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:32pm

re: #157 ggt

Cyanide.

164 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:48pm

So what if the powder were mixed with a commercially available acid, such as pool acid? What would the reaction be? Explosive? Would it multiply the toxicity?
I am not a chemist, but it seems as if a guy with powder had planned to hook up with a guy with some liquid, some really bad stuff might have happened.

165 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:22:36pm

re: #158 ggt

I do find it strange that a hotel would let a room go for 6 days without housekeeping notifying someone.

Sounds like someone just kept swipin' the card, and then "disturbed" when the card stopped paying.

166 barry the baptist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:22:43pm

Muslim?

A lot of cyanide?

Terrorist?

What are you? An Islamophobe?!

167 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:23:07pm

re: #157 ggt

And no link to terrorism.

168 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:23:40pm

re: #107 Cognito

Water, I'd guess.

Or in the really slow version, airborne particulate.

If the perp could get access to the ventilation air intake of a large building, he could simply dump the sodium cyanide into a plastic pail and add a gallon or two of strong acid. Large quantities of hydrogen cyanide gas would be evolved, and that's the magic ingredient of California's late lamented gas chamber.

169 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:00pm

re: #164 redshirt

Well, we know he has friends. They said he has friends, right? And these friends knew (somehow) that he had been dead six days.

170 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:14pm

re: #165 Cognito

I actually work in a motel and that is damn strange.

171 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:27pm

Was this the character that was writing anti-Christian screeds on that Somali website?

172 BLBfootballs  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:33pm

re: #159 superdaveTWC

I just don't know the answer. Maybe he used it sparingly to spice up his food?

Like iocaine powder?! ;-}

173 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:01pm

Take it easy guys.

174 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:18pm

TriggerGirlie? You out there?

175 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:21pm

re: #170 Rancher

I actually work in a motel and that is damn strange.

Oh, no doubt.

176 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:27pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, but do you have proof the FBI is lying about this? Or should we just start calling every whacko or criminal out there a terrorist?

They are lying if they are saying conclusively at this juncture that this is not terrorism related, I think. I suppose the "no apparent connection" statement provides the out. I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass.

177 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:29pm

re: #161 Killer Tomato

Well, unless there are traces of it in my shampoo and toothpaste that I am not aware of, I'd say I usually pack:

zero/nada/zilch/none. ZNZN

178 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:50pm

re: #159 superdaveTWC

Very nicely put. Thank you very much.

179 JustMyView  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:08pm

It seems odd that no cause of death has been reported. Seems like they would have had time to do at least a basic autopsy, if not tox screens and other such tests.

180 Opilio  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:28pm

re: #164 redshirt

So what if the powder were mixed with a commercially available acid, such as pool acid? What would the reaction be? Explosive? Would it multiply the toxicity?
I am not a chemist, but it seems as if a guy with powder had planned to hook up with a guy with some liquid, some really bad stuff might have happened.

It would release lots of Hydrogen Cyanide gas, which, in sufficiently high concentrations, is toxic (e.g. gas chamber), and in lower concentrations smells realllllllly bad.

181 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:45pm

re: #171 pat

Was this the character that was writing anti-Christian screeds on that Somali website?

Same name.

182 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:49pm

re: #179 JustMyView

It seems odd that no cause of death has been reported. Seems like they would have had time to do at least a basic autopsy, if not tox screens and other such tests.

Tuna sandwich.

183 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:27:22pm

re: #161 Killer Tomato

We're taking a survey. How much cyanide do you usually pack to take on vacation?

If I'm flying Delta, I always pack the standard suicide dosage. It's when you don't take it that you really wish you had it.

184 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:27:35pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do

Particularly if you do not not know how he died. No law enforcement officer would ever arrive at that conclusion without knowing the cause of death and the state of the corpse (dress, etc).

185 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:28:21pm

re: #184 pat

Particularly if you do not not know how he died. No law enforcement officer would ever arrive at that conclusion without knowing the cause of death and the state of the corpse (dress, etc).

Aha! He was wearing a dress, eh?

186 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:28:53pm

re: #185 FightingBack

Aha! He was wearing a dress, eh?

The first important clue!

187 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:29:03pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

188 stevieray  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:29:41pm

Jawa on the cyanide guy.

I especially like the last part, where he clobbers the Rocky Mountain News.

189 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:29:56pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

Actually, having read the follow up, I agree with you on this.

190 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:30:03pm

re: #157 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! it was humid, but overall, a pleasant day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

On a positive Note, kids from all over the world are living their dream. Sorry if it seems an "over-the-top Pollyanna" viewpoint, but I am thrilled for them.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

I'm always impressed with Australia. For such a small population they do incredibly well.

191 boiledwombat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:32:23pm

The original reports stated that the person "died from a cause other than cyanide poisoning". Interesting if true.

192 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:33:20pm

re: #191 boiledwombat

Lead poisoning?

193 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:33:23pm

re: #186 Cicero05

The first important clue!

That he's not a devout Muslim? They have an out, that's why the 9/11 pigs could go to strip clubs and get plastered.

194 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:33:37pm

Something I just found.

[Link: meyerweb.com...]

195 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:35:06pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

I understand, but they really do need to address a pound or so of a deadly substance outside of the standard canned response. It is really stupid to ignore this in their official statement. They need to expand their vocabulary beyond the standard issue "no apparent connection".

Lawyer speak. Crappy news reporting.

196 stevieray  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:41pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

The trouble is, even later they stick to that story. The El Al terminal shoot-up... the NC student who mowed down a dozen people with his car... etc... None of these events get presented as terror related further down the line.

It usually gets sold as "mental illness". Even the case of the two guys who got pulled over in SC with the "fireworks" in the trunk. The feds kept saying it wasn't terror related... it took the local cops to tell the whole story.

The feds are sticking to the "peaceful religion hijacked" meme no matter what. I guess they decided the truth presents too many problems, so go with the lie.

197 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:08pm

re: #191 boiledwombat

Could've been anything - he was staying in a hotel where sanitation doesn't appear to be a high priority.
For all we know it was anthrax left over from the last guest...

198 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:58pm

re: #196 stevieray

The trouble is, even later they stick to that story. The El Al terminal shoot-up... the NC student who mowed down a dozen people with his car... etc... None of these events get presented as terror related further down the line.

It usually gets sold as "mental illness". Even the case of the two guys who got pulled over in SC with the "fireworks" in the trunk. The feds kept saying it wasn't terror related... it took the local cops to tell the whole story.

The feds are sticking to the "peaceful religion hijacked" meme no matter what. I guess they decided the truth presents too many problems, so go with the lie.

Just so. Get's old doesn't it.

199 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:15pm
200 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:34pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do
"I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass."
Ah, actually no, it's not splitting hairs. Reporting or rather stating that terrorist implications were being investigated would lead a large part of the public to believe that terroris was involved (which, mind you I'm not saying might not turn out to be the case)whereas the no apparent connection line would keep the public calm.
One of the - if not THE biggest objectives of terrorists is to upset the "normalcy" and feeling of security of a society. Absent any significant evidence that this was terrorist related was probably the smart thing for the FBI to do - if there are terrorist implications here, that news can come out later - well after the FBI has done what it can to uncover any plot(s) of which the alleged terrorist was a part.

201 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:42pm
202 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:42pm
203 MacGregor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:49pm

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204 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:35pm

re: #180 Opilio

Thanks for that answer. Seems like that would be pretty easily deployed. Even if they can't get inside the convention, there will be plenty of big crowds outside.
I wonder if any who are planning to attend the event are puckering just a bit now?

205 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:41:16pm

re: #200 realwest

Your brilliant mind is right on.

206 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:41:38pm

re: #200 realwest

"I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass."
Ah, actually no, it's not splitting hairs. Reporting or rather stating that terrorist implications were being investigated would lead a large part of the public to believe that terroris was involved (which, mind you I'm not saying might not turn out to be the case)whereas the no apparent connection line would keep the public calm.
One of the - if not THE biggest objectives of terrorists is to upset the "normalcy" and feeling of security of a society. Absent any significant evidence that this was terrorist related was probably the smart thing for the FBI to do - if there are terrorist implications here, that news can come out later - well after the FBI has done what it can to uncover any plot(s) of which the alleged terrorist was a part.

Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem.

207 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:11pm

re: #197 Killer Tomato

Could've been anything - he was staying in a hotel where sanitation doesn't appear to be a high priority.
For all we know it was anthrax left over from the last guest...

In some of those hotels they have a poison store in the lobby, just in case a guest has the urge to buy a large quantity and die next to it.

208 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:15pm

re: #206 The Shadow Do

Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem.

For most of us - we would rather our guys and gals shoot first - but intel is the game - frustrating in the short term - rewarding in the long.

209 Seraphym  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:52pm

So, can we assume this splodey-dope Cyani-dope doesn't get any virgins white grapes?

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #196 stevieray

The trouble is, even later they stick to that story. The El Al terminal shoot-up... the NC student who mowed down a dozen people with his car... etc... None of these events get presented as terror related further down the line.

It usually gets sold as "mental illness". Even the case of the two guys who got pulled over in SC with the "fireworks" in the trunk. The feds kept saying it wasn't terror related... it took the local cops to tell the whole story.

The feds are sticking to the "peaceful religion hijacked" meme no matter what. I guess they decided the truth presents too many problems, so go with the lie.

The investigation and trial for the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings played up the mental disorder angle.

211 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:12pm

re: #207 Archimedes

I had no idea of the amenities. See the stuff you miss always staying in those chain hotels? Next time I travel I'm booking myself a room in one of those boutique hotels.

212 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:49pm

re: #209 Seraphym

So, can we assume this splodey-dope Cyani-dope doesn't get any virgins white grapes?

Yes - he failed in his mission and is not a martyr. Tough Sh*t.

213 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:14pm

Nuclear Weapons Effects Simulator

I set Longitude for -93.1,
Latitude for 44.9441
Yield for 15 KT.

That's my nightmare.

214 Barry the Baptist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:33pm

re: #191 boiledwombat

Bad blowfish sushi?

215 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:45pm

re: #197 Killer Tomato

According to the Ottawa Sun, it was an 'ritzy' hotel.

[...]The mystery deepens in the case of an Ottawa man found dead in an upscale Denver hotel room — a pound of highly toxic sodium cyanide in a jar beside him.

More than a week ago, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, 29, told his Somalian family out of the blue that he was leaving to vacation in Denver.

On Monday, he was found in a fourth-floor room at the ritzy Burnsley Hotel about four blocks from the Colorado state Capitol. He had been dead for several days.

Yesterday in Ottawa, a quiet west end family was struggling to understand what happened.

They said it’s a mystery to them and wondered how the large-framed, quiet, good, smart boy ended up where he did.

U.S. authorities — including Denver Police, the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force — were also trying to unravel the mystery.

Why Dirie had the substance in the first place is unclear and Denver Police are not calling the death a homicide, suicide or even suspicious.

They are conducting a death investigation but have found nothing to suggest foul play.

“It’s an isolated incident,” said Denver Police Det. John White. He said they are still waiting for the coroner’s report to determine how to proceed but emphasized “it’s still a very active investigation.”

White said it’s still too early to say whether Dirie’s death was a suicide. The Denver medical examiner’s office won’t be able to determine whether cyanide killed Dirie or announce a cause of death until toxicology reports are done.[...]

Scary.

216 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:55pm

re: #215 NY Nana

According to the Ottawa Sun, it was an 'ritzy' hotel.

Scary.

Honey ... you are a piece of work - TXS.

217 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:52:08pm

Must work in the morning.

Good night.

218 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:52:27pm

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

219 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:06pm

Hey rw! How'd you know I was getting ready to log-off?

How you doin'?

220 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #200 realwest

"I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass."
Ah, actually no, it's not splitting hairs. Reporting or rather stating that terrorist implications were being investigated would lead a large part of the public to believe that terroris was involved (which, mind you I'm not saying might not turn out to be the case)whereas the no apparent connection line would keep the public calm.
One of the - if not THE biggest objectives of terrorists is to upset the "normalcy" and feeling of security of a society. Absent any significant evidence that this was terrorist related was probably the smart thing for the FBI to do - if there are terrorist implications here, that news can come out later - well after the FBI has done what it can to uncover any plot(s) of which the alleged terrorist was a part.

I have a real problem with it. The truth to me is vital, and state entities covering it up aren’t something I'm sanguine with. We don't need the state coddling us. That's not their job. Their purpose is to tell us the truth in the process of protecting our rights. Maybe in the short run under some conditions they should hold their cards close to the vest, but ultimately they have the obligation to be 100% honest.

221 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:48pm

re: #215 NY Nana

Guess my definition of 'ritzy' and the Ottawa Sun's differ.
"Honey, do you smell something like, oh, I don't know, a several day old corpse in the room next door?"

“It’s an isolated incident,” said Denver Police Det. John White.

LOL - yeah, unless you've got bodies and cyanide cropping up all over town.

222 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:21pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

Attempts? Multiple. Foiled multiple.

Let's hear it for the good guys and gals.

223 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:46pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

This did not receive the attention it deserves.

224 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:19pm

re: #215 NY Nana

More than a week ago, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, 29, told his Somalian family out of the blue that he was leaving to vacation in Denver.

Okay, this is an important piece of information. We can now rule out this being related to his job as he was on "vacation." So why the cyanide while on vacation? Debunks the theory that maybe he was a traveling cyanide salesman, who travels around with just one pound of cyanide, which is sold by the barrel anyways.

Also, he was not visiting family, according to his familiy. He just randomly chose some American city. Kinda like Charles getting up one day and saying, "You know I'm going for a vacation in Regina, Saskatchewan."

225 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:22pm

re: #222 Bobibutu

Attempts? Multiple. Foiled multiple.

Let's hear it for the good guys and gals.

Yes! I believe that we should very much credit our counter-terrorism efforts, even if we have to imagine them and not have the facts to back them up.

226 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:38pm

re: #7 famousmortimer78

Apparently maid service at the Burnsley isn't so great, given that a corpse can go undiscovered for SIX DAYS...

Although I've never been there, and it's about 90 miles from me, I think it's more like a transient SRO (bum) hotel, rather than the Hyatt.

227 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:15pm

re: #204 redshirt

Even if they can't get inside the convention, there will be plenty of big crowds outside.

Either way the idiot would have been killing Radical Islam's best supporters. Look at the Siddique bitch. She has her supporters, as does every pig at Gitmo.

228 Clemente  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:54pm

re: #203 MacGregor

Hey - I'm Vinnie from ShamWowie.

...

Call now and tell 'em Vinnie sent ya!

Hey Vinnie, I been meanin' to ask, why you wearin' dat goofy head-thingy? You got leaky ears or what? I dunno...

Really hate that ad, almost as much as that obnoxious screamer selling everything from kitchen cleaner to garden tools to supplemental-frikkin'-health insurance.

Maybe more.

/pointless rant

229 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:28pm

re: #226 Bob in Breckenridge

Although I've never been there, and it's about 90 miles from me, I think it's more like a transient SRO (bum) hotel, rather than the Hyatt.

LOL, then again, maybe not...

230 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:33pm

re: #42 ted

The head of the Arkansas Democratic Party shot dead in cold blood today...Cyanide in Denver...etc:

What next ?

Pestilence and frogs.

231 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:51pm

re: #206 The Shadow Do
"Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem."
NO, that's not what I was saying at all. What I was saying was that unless and until someone can be shown to have connections to other terrorists, he could very well be a lone wolf whacko. We don't KNOW (whether or not the FBI has figured it out yet I don't know; they rarely run their intelligence past me) but unless we do have some evidence that the whacko is indeed connected to terrorists or was concocting a plot to kill a whole lot of people in the name of "allah" or some such, it's sorta irresponsible to say "We're investigating terrorist implications" would: a) unduly alarm the public and b)if it turns out the whacko WAS part of a terrorist conspiracy, because that statement might send the others involved scattering to hide outs or even leaving the country, only to come back again, perhaps better informed and better equipped to carry out acts of terrorism.

232 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:10pm

re: #215 NY Nana

According to the Ottawa Sun, it was an 'ritzy' hotel.

Scary.


I'm surprised that hotel room was not checked in several days. Normally in hotels, especially ritzy ones, maids make the beds and clean the rooms every day.

Curiouser and curiouser.

233 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #225 Russkilitlover

Yes! I believe that we should very much credit our counter-terrorism efforts, even if we have to imagine them and not have the facts to back them up.

Always keep in mind covert vs. overt.

234 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:42pm

re: #220 Archimedes

I have a real problem with it. The truth to me is vital, and state entities covering it up aren’t something I'm sanguine with. We don't need the state coddling us. That's not their job. Their purpose is to tell us the truth in the process of protecting our rights. Maybe in the short run under some conditions they should hold their cards close to the vest, but ultimately they have the obligation to be 100% honest.

In bold above:
aren't = isn't

235 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:48pm

re: #216 Bobibutu

Honey ... you are a piece of work - TXS.

ROTFL! This Honey is 70 years old! ;)

And yes, I am a piece of work, thank you!

236 MacGregor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:14pm

re: #228 Clemente

I'm surprised that thing doesn't slide off his greasy head!

237 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:31pm

re: #219 ggt Hey ggt - must be telepathy or something!
I'm actually feeling fairly poorly tonight and have a loooong damn day tomorrow so I'm gonna be turning in soon, as well.
Hope you're doing well!

238 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:36pm

re: #215 NY Nana

No way they don't check that room for that long, guests tear the hell out of rooms in one night. Unless he had some agreement with the manager maybe? Who does that that's not up to no good?

239 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:31pm

Heh.

/and many more will follow

240 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:50pm

But it is mainly an LTO hotel- Like "Extended Stay America", where daily maid service is optional,

241 Clemente  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:01pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

Quietly stopping dozens of terrorist attempts at general slaughter, over the last seven years (or more, most likely) is the single greatest kindness done by an infidel government - for an entirely thankless Muslim population, btw - in human history.

242 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #230 NY Nana

Pestilence and frogs.

Aw crap. I had money on locusts.

243 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:15pm

re: #232 Archimedes

They do unless you have the DND (do not disturb) sign up. But they keep a check-list of such things and after 6 days of no housekeeping service, no room service, no phone calls, I'd think management would be wondering if you skipped-out without paying.

I mean, it wasn't the honeymoon suite. . . .:)

244 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:59pm

re: #231 realwest

I dinged-up you for using the appropriate technical term: "whacko".

245 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:06pm

re: #235 NY Nana

ROTFL! This Honey is 70 years old! ;)

And yes, I am a piece of work, thank you!

Hey Baby - I'm 66 - and tryin' to catch up on you. ":^)

246 St. Pancake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:41pm

Burnsley Hotel Webpage


About $220.00 per night

247 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:49pm

re: #232 Archimedes

I'm surprised that hotel room was not checked in several days. Normally in hotels, especially ritzy ones, maids make the beds and clean the rooms every day.

Curiouser and curiouser.

That is a very good point. I didn't even think of it, and I think that the odor of almonds might be strong enough to arouse someoe's curiosity.

Could he have left a 'Do not disturb' sign on the door knob?

Curious and curiouser, indeed!

248 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:58pm

re: #237 realwest

mee toooooo!

sorry you are not feeling well.

weet dreams!

249 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:17pm

re: #230 NY Nana

Pestilence and frogs.

NY Nana...The Clintons are from Arkansas, the democrat guy murdered was their friend, and they'll be in Denver in 1 1/2 weeks. Coincidence? I think not!

250 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:00pm

re: #237 realwest

Hey ggt - must be telepathy or something!
I'm actually feeling fairly poorly tonight and have a loooong damn day tomorrow so I'm gonna be turning in soon, as well.
Hope you're doing well!

Rest well RW ... we haven't connected for a while.

251 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:24pm

re: #231 realwest

"Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem."
NO, that's not what I was saying at all. What I was saying was that unless and until someone can be shown to have connections to other terrorists, he could very well be a lone wolf whacko. We don't KNOW (whether or not the FBI has figured it out yet I don't know; they rarely run their intelligence past me) but unless we do have some evidence that the whacko is indeed connected to terrorists or was concocting a plot to kill a whole lot of people in the name of "allah" or some such, it's sorta irresponsible to say "We're investigating terrorist implications" would: a) unduly alarm the public and b)if it turns out the whacko WAS part of a terrorist conspiracy, because that statement might send the others involved scattering to hide outs or even leaving the country, only to come back again, perhaps better informed and better equipped to carry out acts of terrorism.

Okay, I'll redirect. Take the FBI at its word and for good reason as you have detailed. It is now up to the media to discern the truth. Hoo boy.

In short, it is highly unlikely we will ever know what this was all about. Oh well, I'm old and will probably get over it.

252 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:55pm

Also we can tell from the hallway if someone's smoking anything in their room and even refrigerated corpses got smell like hell.

253 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:04pm

re: #231 realwest

What I was saying was that unless and until someone can be shown to have connections to other terrorists, he could very well be a lone wolf whacko.


I hear what you are saying. But even if there is no link to a terrorist group, and it is indeed a lone whacko, if his intent was to kill in the name of Allah, it is terrorism. This really does require the feds to read minds, doesn't it?
Now juxtapose that with, say, the killing of a black man by a white, or the killing of a homosexual. We all know that in that case, the investigation begins as a "hate crime" investigation.
In the former case, they can't read the mind of the perpetrator, but in the latter, they seemingly can.
This case should be under the heading of a "possible terrorist crime", the very nature of what was found demands it. To claim otherwise just makes the feds sound foolish.

254 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #238 Rancher

Unless he had some agreement with the manager maybe? Who does that that's not up to no good?

I agree. The only reason I could think of is that he intended to top himself, and did.

255 MacGregor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:06pm

re: #249 Bob in Breckenridge
This too-
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
A young aide to Senator Jim Webb was found dead along a Virginia highway.

256 Clemente  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:35pm

re: #239 Killian Bundy

The bus is high-centered just over that hill, but there's probably another coming along in an hour or so...

257 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:41pm

re: #215 NY Nana

Ritzy? So you pay extra for the maid to clean up the decomposed body? lol

258 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:14:12pm

re: #234 Archimedes
I understood you just fine without the correction.
Yes I agree that the government owes us the truth.
HOWEVER, sometimes delaying telling us the truth can assist the government in protecting us from terrorist attacks or to-have-been terrorist attacks.
I frankly see no point in the FBI speculating to the people that there may be terrorist links - if there are terrorist links, tell us so (unless telling us today would screw up your chances to catch other terrorists tomorrow).
If there aren't tell us so, but I'd appreciate you're not GUESSING about it in public, lest the FBI start to become something like the boy who cried "Wolf".
And btw, as far as I'm concerned the FIRST duty of government is to protect the people, which IS sometimes incompatible with telling us the truth.

259 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:14:58pm

re: #255 MacGregor

Disillusion.

260 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:06pm

This is going to be my theme song for the next month.

I miss Warren Zevon. He was a moonbat, like so many musicians, but he rocked.

261 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:54pm

re: #249 Bob in Breckenridge

Is there any Russian tie to any of these deaths?

262 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:07pm

re: #249 Bob in Breckenridge

The Clintons are from Arkansas, the democrat guy murdered was their friend, and they'll be in Denver in 1 1/2 weeks. Coincidence? I think not!

That is quite a coincidence. I actually posted earlier on a thread questioning if it was the Clintoon Mafia.

I expect them to try and totally derail the convention, and destroy Hussein to make Shrill the candidate.

/Imagine a 3 AM phone call to her.

263 hazzyday  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:22pm

Where did he cross the border at?
When and how did he make his reservations?
What is his recent Mosque activity?
What was his social group like in Ottawa?
What is his recent Internet activity?

264 Promethea  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:28pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

There have been many isolated planned attacks reported on various blogs. We tend to forget them because none of them have been successful, so far as we know.

It's probably a good idea for the government to let these attack plans go down the memory hole. A big part of terrorism is making people afraid.

On the other hand, too many voters are moonbats because they don't think that terrorism is a danger to them personally.

So, I'm on the fence regarding whether or not the FBI and other government agencies should report the various planned attacks, the aborted airplane hijackings, and other nefarious deeds by the crazy Muslims lurking out there.

265 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:53pm

But why would radical Islam target the Democratic convention? I thought they saw eye-to-eye on alot of issues.

266 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:14pm

re: #243 ggt

They do unless you have the DND (do not disturb) sign up. But they keep a check-list of such things and after 6 days of no housekeeping service, no room service, no phone calls, I'd think management would be wondering if you skipped-out without paying.

I mean, it wasn't the honeymoon suite. . . .:)

Good point. I might have used those a time or two myself.

267 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:30pm

re: #257 pat

Ritzy? So you pay extra for the maid to clean up the decomposed body? lol

Shees, Pat, Don't you ever read the fine print? ;)

BTW, any Hussein sightings? And were there any signs of his poor Gran being pushed under the bus....again?

268 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:21:22pm

Well, I gotta call it a night.
Maybe tomorrow when I get up Vlad, Iran, the MSM, the ACLU and the Democrat Party will all have seen the error of their ways and repented.
(and fluffy bunnies and unicorns will be cavorting under a rainbow in a field of wildflowers in front of my house)
'night all!

269 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:21:34pm

re: #258 realwest

RW, the government has lost the trust of most Americans on any issue involving Muslims, race crime, the border, energy, the banking industry, etc.
Re the thread, Bush's ROP after the Muslims attacked us and we saw them celebrate through out the world, including WA, NJ, and MI, I think most Americans realize he was lying. We have had these creeps run down students in NC, Jews in SF, open fire on Jews at LAX, try to bomb military bases in multiple states, blow up airports, and plan the death of preschoolers. The FBI is has about as much credibility as the Shamwow Man, but less product.

270 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:29pm

re: #253 redshirt "indeed a lone whacko, if his intent was to kill in the name of Allah, it is terrorism."
Sorry, I just don't define terrorism that way. Lone wolf whackos can - and indeed have - killed for a lot of "reasons" most of them incomprehensible to civilized people. Whether or not he killed or was trying to kill someone in the name of Allah makes him, I'd guess, a Muslim Whacko - not a terrorist (the only exception to this would be if he or she - was trying to kill a whole lot of people with some sort of WMD - and iirc, cyanide has to be mixed with something or other (chemistry was never my strong suit) in a closed environment to kill anyone OR it has to be ingested in significant doses over either a long period of time, or else with a LOT of cyanide sprinkled over hot dogs or whatever and one would expect most people would think it strange that their hot dogs smelled like almonds).

271 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:31pm

re: #267 NY Nana

Lots of sightings. 18 minutes with his typical white granny. But he has been at beach rallies and a fund raiser that I heard cost $23,000 at table. And he eats a lot of french fries. (but no freedom fries ;) )

272 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:45pm

re: #263 hazzyday

Where did he cross the border at?
When and how did he make his reservations?
What is his recent Mosque activity?
What was his social group like in Ottawa?
What is his recent Internet activity?

And, last but not least, why in the world did he take along a pound of cyanide instead of his clothes?

273 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:11pm

re: #255 MacGregor

This too-
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
A young aide to Senator Jim Webb was found dead along a Virginia highway.

Kinda like Vince Foster?!?!?

274 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:30pm

OT observation.

I'm amazed by how the arab/moslem countries are dominating these Olympics. My hat's off to these fantastic athletes.

///

275 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:36pm

re: #258 realwest

Ok, now I'm confused.

The government's job is to protect:

the people? as in individuals?
the community? as in groups of individuals
the borders? as in land, property?

I am recalling the court decision that law enforcement's job is to serve and protect "communities" and cannot be sued for damages to individuals who call 911 but help doesn't get there in time.

Yes, I think there job is to protect the community and keeping some information "classified" is more than appropriate. Frankly, there are things I dont' want to know, that's why I delegate (in theory) it to the government.

276 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:15pm

re: #274 lummox

OT observation.

I'm amazed by how the arab/moslem countries are dominating these Olympics. My hat's off to these fantastic athletes.

///

heh,heh. Good one.

277 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:41pm

re: #257 pat

Ritzy? So you pay extra for the maid to clean up the decomposed body? lol

I saw a show about that exact thing on the Discovery Channel. Kinda like "Service Master" for stiffs.

278 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:35pm

re: #261 twincitiesgirl

Is there any Russian tie to any of these deaths?

The Clintons are commies, if you ax me.
/

279 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:57pm

re: #277 Bob in Breckenridge

I think I saw that show. Clean-up is not part of law-enforcement's duties. I think property owner insurance covers it--maybe not.

280 Pawpaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:21pm

re: #276 pat

heh,heh. Good one.

Those burkas really slow down their women swimmers.

281 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:50pm

re: #270 realwest

Sorry, I just don't define terrorism that way. Lone wolf whackos can - and indeed have - killed for a lot of "reasons" most of them incomprehensible to civilized people.


Remember the unabomber was called a terrorist by everyone, and he was a lone whacko.

not a terrorist (the only exception to this would be if he or she - was trying to kill a whole lot of people with some sort of WMD - and iirc, cyanide has to be mixed with something or other (chemistry was never my strong suit) in a closed environment to kill anyone


I asked that question earlier in the thread, someone better informed said that yes, if mixed with pool acid it would yield a very dangerous gas.
Come on, a pound of cyanide. Do you really think his plan wasn't to kill a lot of people?

282 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:01pm

re: #262 NY Nana

That is quite a coincidence. I actually posted earlier on a thread questioning if it was the Clintoon Mafia.

I expect them to try and totally derail the convention, and destroy Hussein to make Shrill the candidate.

/Imagine a 3 AM phone call to her.

I'd rather take the call than have her wake me up at 3am, if you get my drift. : )

283 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:03pm

John Edwards is still a scum-sucking douchebag.

Film at eleven. (not)

284 Old_Mick  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:13pm

re: #280 Pawpaw

Those burkas really slow down their women swimmers.

LOL ....I just imagined ladies beach volley ball in burka's

hehe

285 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:18pm

re: #271 pat

Lots of sightings. 18 minutes with his typical white granny. But he has been at beach rallies and a fund raiser that I heard cost $23,000 at table. And he eats a lot of french fries. (but no freedom fries ;) )

He is so faux that his 'vacations' are also faux.

/Muslim fries?

286 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:45pm

re: #269 pat Well pat I'd pretty much have to disagree with you there at least as far as terrorisim is concerned. There have been no significant successful terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11. Yes, individual Muslims - like the guy at NC who rode into a groud of students in his SUV - have killed "in the name of Allah" but as I indicated in my #270, that to me is a lone wolf Whacko - like John Wayne Gacy without the in the name of Allah.
And iirc, the last POTUS who did anything significant about our Mexican border was Eisenhower waaaay back in the 50's. As for the banking industry etc. etc. none of it is NEW, its all just wash,rinse and repeat - see, e.g., the banking and Savings and Loan Crisis that happend in the late 80's early 90's. All you're really saying is that American's don't trust their government. I think that's a good thing.
I mean -seriously - when was the last time you personally believed a politician?

287 hazzyday  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:55pm

re: #138 Killer Tomato

I don't think we're painting the FBI as the gang that couldn't shoot straight, I think we'd just appreciate it if they'd stop treating us like we're 4 year olds. You don't know - say you don't know.
I'm not saying they should panic the population, but this steady drone beat of 'go back to sleep' isn't exactly helpful, either.

Early on after 9/11 we had alerts didn't we. Some people claimed it was to further worry us, others that it was to make us more vigilant. Is there a need to be more concerned in Denver? Do most cyanide poisoners act alone?

288 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:14pm

re: #283 Racer X

John Edwards is still a scum-sucking douchebag.

Film at eleven. (not)

Best yet is "The Silk Phony"

289 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:15pm

re: #274 lummox

OT observation.

I'm amazed by how the arab/moslem countries are dominating these Olympics. My hat's off to these fantastic athletes.

///

You OBVIOUSLY missed the the synchronized stoning and 4 X 100 lashes events. Typical American.

290 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:42pm

re: #286 realwest

Two e-mails headed your way, R-Dubs. I'm so prolific this evening. ;)

291 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:01pm

re: #282 Bob in Breckenridge

I'd rather take the call than have her wake me up at 3am, if you get my drift. : )

ROTFL! Is there even one lizard here who would want to hear her(?) voice? You might get a fake Afro-American, or New York, or Southern accent.
With Shrill, you just never know. Seriously, her voice it so strident that it makes me cover my ears and cringe.....a female Fidel.

292 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:02pm

re: #281 redshirt
I always thought he was a whacko, not a terrorist.
He wasn't trying to bring down society or force "regime change" here. He was a killer who managed to foil the best efforts of the Feds and state and local law enforcement for a while.

293 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:29pm

re: #258 realwest

I understood you just fine without the correction.
Yes I agree that the government owes us the truth.
HOWEVER, sometimes delaying telling us the truth can assist the government in protecting us from terrorist attacks or to-have-been terrorist attacks.
I frankly see no point in the FBI speculating to the people that there may be terrorist links - if there are terrorist links, tell us so (unless telling us today would screw up your chances to catch other terrorists tomorrow).
If there aren't tell us so, but I'd appreciate you're not GUESSING about it in public, lest the FBI start to become something like the boy who cried "Wolf".

The problem is they said flat out "It has no apparent connection to terrorism." If they didn't want terrorism to be mentioned, then they should just not mention it. If someone asks they could answer "We don't know what intention the individual may have had."


And btw, as far as I'm concerned the FIRST duty of government is to protect the people, which IS sometimes incompatible with telling us the truth.

I agree that their task is to protect people, in so far as it means they are supposed to protect our rights, but this is not incompatible with telling the truth. They should always tell the truth, unless they are trying to mislead a deadly foe. I mean, if they can't tell you everything, then they could say nothing, and in the rarest of cases I think lying would be warranted.

294 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:03pm

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

295 redmirabai  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:26pm

It will be interesting to see where that cyanide came from.re: #33 The Rebbitzen

296 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:55pm

Oh, oh.

Dr. Cartman will be forced to self-diagnose, I fear.

297 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:41:59pm

re: #291 NY Nana

ROTFL! Is there even one lizard here who would want to hear her(?) voice? You might get a fake Afro-American, or New York, or Southern accent.
With Shrill, you just never know. Seriously, her voice it so strident that it makes me cover my ears and cringe.....a female Fidel.

I grew up 20 minutes from her in the north suburbs of Chicago, but she's always been a Yankees fan. She said so. And she said she was named by her parents after Sir Edmund Hillary, from New Zealand, even though she was born a few years BEFORE he climbed Mt. Everest, when NOBODY in America knew who he was.

Fake accents? Hillary don't need no steenking fake accents!

298 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:04pm

If he'd have activated that cyanide in Market Street Station at the height of rush hour he could have killed a big boatload of people.

In other places, he could have killed even more. We've been lucky.

299 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #294 Cartman

Wife is in pacemakers/cardiology. But she is asleep, beside me.

300 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:08pm

Anyway all y'all it's been a long and not particularly grand day today and I gotta get to sleep before I pass out on my keyboard.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get to see you down the road.

Oh and btw Redshirt at #281 - I have no fucking idea what this guy was doing with a pound of cyanide; iirc if you mix it with chlorine it can make a gas that will make you sick, but I think you'd need more chlorine than what's found in a swimming pool. Cyanide is just not particularly well adapted to mass murder - lots of other chemicals are. Maybe this guy was a stupid whacko (or terrorist, I'm NOT ruling that out).

Goodnight, all.

301 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:11pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

My Mom is a Nurse...

302 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:39pm

Dammit! I just wanna know if I can expect to stop breathing here before morning comes, that's all.

303 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:01pm

re: #298 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If he'd have activated that cyanide in Market Street Station at the height of rush hour he could have killed a big boatload of people.

In other places, he could have killed even more. We've been lucky.

Yep, like Coors Field...

304 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:27pm

re: #302 Cartman

Asthma?

305 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:44pm

G'nite, R-Dubs. Check your e-mail.

306 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:52pm

Nobody believes that by playing down the terrorism angle the feds are trying to prevent public panic.
The feds are trying not to offend muslims.
That offends me.

307 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:07pm

re: #286 realwest

Believe a politician? lol

308 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:09pm

And now for something completely different:

309 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:16pm

re: #300 realwest

Sleep well RW!

310 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:27pm

OK, lets play House. Who want's to play that insufferable prick, Dr. House?

311 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:48pm

re: #310 Cartman

OK, lets play House. Who want's to play that insufferable prick, Dr. House?


I love the show, but what are you getting at?

312 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:55pm

re: #297 Bob in Breckenridge

I grew up 20 minutes from her in the north suburbs of Chicago, but she's always been a Yankees fan. She said so. And she said she was named by her parents after Sir Edmund Hillary, from New Zealand, even though she was born a few years BEFORE he climbed Mt. Everest, when NOBODY in America knew who he was.

Fake accents? Hillary don't need no steenking fake accents!

At least she moved away from anywhere near you! Bubba lives in the same county we are in, and Shrill visits for photo ops.

I remember that big, fat lie re Sir Edmund Hillary.

She deserves to now claim to be a damned Yankees fan!

She does have a really steeeeenking accent here! Ear plugs recommended.

313 lori lane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:29pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

No, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :)

314 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:51pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

I'm not a doctor, but I played one on TV. With our dimocrat controlled congress, that makes me an expert.
Like Meryl Streep telling the idiot libs the dangers of alar on apples because she played a scientist in a movie, or Julia Roberts testifying to the idiot libs about the dangers of nuclear power because she played Erin Brockovich in a movie.
So.....What's the problem?

/

315 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:56pm

re: #299 rawmuse

Wife is in pacemakers/cardiology. But she is asleep, beside me.

Well wake her up, my good man! I need her to play Dr. House!

316 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:04pm

re: #300 realwest

Anyway all y'all it's been a long and not particularly grand day today and I gotta get to sleep before I pass out on my keyboard.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get to see you down the road.

Good night RealWest!

317 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:22pm

re: #306 redshirt

Nobody believes that by playing down the terrorism angle the feds are trying to prevent public panic.
The feds are trying not to offend muslims.
That offends me.

Exactly my point. The Feds including Bush feel Americans are expendable, Saudis are to be protected. Islam is a special case. Can you imagine an Islamic Waco? Of course not. That is why they were flown out of the country right after 9/11. I am not saying those people participated, but there are reports that some were told to stay away from certain areas. The inbred hatred of America is enough reason to be careful of these savages.

318 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:52pm

If I recall correctly , Jonestown went down by cyanide = 400 +.

Maybe he was gonna spike the Kool-Aid.

319 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:51:47pm

re: #315 Cartman

Well wake her up, my good man! I need her to play Dr. House!

What's in it for me?

320 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:20pm

re: #312 NY Nana

I'll take your word for it. Hearing her cackle is like nails on a chalkboard.

321 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:56:14pm

re: #320 Bob in Breckenridge

I'll take your word for it. Hearing her cackle is like nails on a chalkboard.

She isn't even that good! I'll take the nails on a chalkboard!

Got to go to sleep....I need to put an alarm clock on my computer desk, so help me.

G'nite and sweet dreams, all!

322 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:56:52pm

OK. Here's the triage situation. I think I took a 10mg Zolpidem (Ambien) about an hour ago. But I'm not sure I remember doing that, so I took another about 5 minutes ago. My dilemma is that if I did indeed take them both, am I gonna croak before sunrise? As in failure to aspirate?

And most importantly, if I do croak, who will be gracious enough to write my LGF epitaph?

323 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:57:11pm

re: #317 pat

Exactly my point. The Feds including Bush feel Americans are expendable, Saudis are to be protected. Islam is a special case. Can you imagine an Islamic Waco? Of course not. That is why they were flown out of the country right after 9/11. I am not saying those people participated, but there are reports that some were told to stay away from certain areas. The inbred hatred of America is enough reason to be careful of these savages.

Been reading Daily Kos?

324 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:57:54pm

re: #319 rawmuse

What's in it for me?

You could be a LGF hero!

325 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:58:33pm

re: #322 Cartman

OK. Here's the triage situation. I think I took a 10mg Zolpidem (Ambien) about an hour ago. But I'm not sure I remember doing that, so I took another about 5 minutes ago. My dilemma is that if I did indeed take them both, am I gonna croak before sunrise? As in failure to aspirate?

And most importantly, if I do croak, who will be gracious enough to write my LGF epitaph?

Abien? a sleeping pill? You're survive, dude. You might sleep a little longer but it ain't an OD...

326 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:05pm

Cartman,
Die , no, but you may sleepwalk/ drive/ cook.

327 missykrissy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:24pm

Ummm... is my memory going?

Or is the the second 'non-Amish' to be discovered deceased in a hotel room with toxics?

And was it cyanide the last time too?

(Or am I just suffering from CRS ?)

328 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:41pm

re: #325 Bob in Breckenridge

Abien? a sleeping pill? You're survive, dude. You might sleep a little longer but it ain't an OD...

Now, since I'm a fake doctor, you owe $80 in fake money.

329 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:49pm

re: #322 Cartman

OK. Here's the triage situation. I think I took a 10mg Zolpidem (Ambien) about an hour ago. But I'm not sure I remember doing that, so I took another about 5 minutes ago. My dilemma is that if I did indeed take them both, am I gonna croak before sunrise? As in failure to aspirate?

And most importantly, if I do croak, who will be gracious enough to write my LGF epitaph?

Have you considered an Assisted Living facility? They keep track of what pills you take there. Kidding aside, drink lots of water and go to bed.

330 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:00:07pm

re: #325 Bob in Breckenridge

Abien? a sleeping pill? You're survive, dude. You might sleep a little longer but it ain't an OD...

But...but...how can you be certain?

331 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:00:43pm

re: #327 missykrissy

Ummm... is my memory going?

Or is the the second 'non-Amish' to be discovered deceased in a hotel room with toxics?

And was it cyanide the last time too?

(Or am I just suffering from CRS ?)

Now that you mention it, krissy, there was the guy in Las Vegas a few months ago...

332 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:01:44pm

Cartman,
Don't operate machinery. This includes computers.

333 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:21pm

re: #329 rawmuse

Have you considered an Assisted Living facility? They keep track of what pills you take there. Kidding aside, drink lots of water and go to bed.

I'm afraid to go to bed! What if I stop breathing, and come face to face with the Silky Ponied Angel of Death?

334 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:46pm

re: #330 Cartman

But...but...how can you be certain?

Actually, I was prescribed Ambien, and took too many about a year ago, and was taken to the ER. Oh wait, that was Viagra. Damn those 4 hour erections!

335 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:02pm

re: #322 Cartman

Look HERE

then click: Please see additional important information. Please refer to the full prescribing information.

336 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:03pm

re: #333 Cartman

I'm afraid to go to bed! What if I stop breathing, and come face to face with the Silky Ponied Angel of Death?

Run toward the Light. Or not.

337 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:12pm

re: #57 Canadian Guy

What's scarier is the guy and his family most likely live within 1/2 a mile of me.

BLAME CANADA, BLAME CANADAH EH?

338 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:33pm

re: #327 missykrissy

Non-Amish --that's good!

LOL

Have to follow rw's lead.

weet dreams all!

339 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:09pm

You all are being of no help. Shame on y'all!

340 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:13pm

In the distant past I found fighting the effects of sleeping pills led to hilarity.

341 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:30pm

re: #330 Cartman

just wake-up your sleeping partner and make sure they know you took an extra dose --that way they'll be prepared if you sleep walk or sleep for two days.

Nightall!

342 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:51pm

re: #339 Cartman

You all are being of no help. Shame on y'all!

Ya get what ya pay for, dude...

343 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:24pm

Let us be clear, just in case I was too circumspect. I hate Saudi Arabia. The fact that our country thinks it necessary to prop up the misogynistic barbarians who rule these religious zombies , is a disgrace.
(I tried to be polite.)

344 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:56pm

re: #341 ggt

just wake-up your sleeping partner and make sure they know you took an extra dose --that way they'll be prepared if you sleep walk or sleep for two days.

Nightall!

ggt- If you're still here- What the hell is a "sleeping partner"?

345 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:02pm

re: #322 Cartman

No. That is really nothing.

346 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:16pm

re: #322 Cartman

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

347 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:16pm

Maybe I'll take one more. I'm startin' to get a little buzz on here, if ya noam sayin. ;)

348 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:55pm

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

Or just look at this picture and imagine she's with you right now! That'll keep you awake!

349 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:02pm

re: #346 NY Nana

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

At this point, I may ask him for more!

350 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:48pm

re: #339 Cartman

You all are being of no help. Shame on y'all!

These days they'd have giant red letter warnings on the outside of the bottle telling you not to take to many .... What does it say on the outside of the bottle?

I seriously doubt there will be any problem at all.

351 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:12:14pm

re: #348 Bob in Breckenridge

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

Or just look at this picture and imagine she's with you right now! That'll keep you awake!

Doctor my eyes!

352 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:13:24pm

re: #350 Archimedes

These days they'd have giant red letter warnings on the outside of the bottle telling you not to take to many .... What does it say on the outside of the bottle?

I seriously doubt there will be any problem at all.

80 Proof

353 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:13:54pm

re: #349 Cartman

At this point, I may ask him for more!

Seriously, do not. I am an RN (retired) and I read the info. Do not take a third tablet, and please, please, just to be safe, call a pharmacy and let them know that you took two.

I will email you some info...in about 3 minutes.

354 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:15:41pm

Wow. I'm startin' to feel a little like when they had me on morhine drip last Fall. Not too shabby!

355 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:16:50pm

Ambien is not a 'buzz' drug. Listen to NYNana, and just fall asleep. That is not a 'buzz'. it is a yawn. Read The Economist. Articles on British politics always work for me.

356 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:25pm

re: #353 NY Nana

OK, I'll wait. But if you hear a crashing sound, it's my mellon lauched into the keyboard. hehe

357 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:18:08pm

errr...launched

358 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:18:52pm

re: #354 Cartman

Wow. I'm startin' to feel a little like when they had me on morhine drip last Fall. Not too shabby!

Read my email, and behave yourself, young man! ;)

I am serious. No third Ambien under any circumstances.

/There will be a quiz.

359 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:09pm

re: #354 Cartman

Wow. I'm startin' to feel a little like when they had me on morhine drip last Fall. Not too shabby!

Morphine? That's for kids. Now Demerol...

360 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:39pm

re: #355 pat

Ambien is not a 'buzz' drug.

Well, I am here to refute that. Sort of.

361 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:20:10pm

re: #322 Cartman

Two Ambiens won't kill you. I've done it before.

362 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:08pm

re: #356 Cartman

OK, I'll wait. But if you hear a crashing sound, it's my mellon lauched into the keyboard. hehe

Well, poetic justice..you have caused me so many Fresca™ spews!

Email me in the AM that you got a good night's sleep, or I will semd Shrillary after you!

363 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:14pm

re: #355 pat

That is not a 'buzz'. it is a yawn. Read The Economist. Articles on British politics always work for me.

ROTFL!

364 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:24pm

re: #362 NY Nana

Well, poetic justice..you have caused me so many Fresca™ spews!

Email me in the AM that you got a good night's sleep, or I will semd Shrillary after you!

They still make Fresca™, NYN?

365 kynna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:36pm

I know this has probably been pointed out, but wouldn't any attack using cyanide be categorized 'terrorism'? I mean, even if he was going after rival gang members.

I guess there's probably some use for this amount of cyanide, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he's not in that particular line of work.

This is all very disturbing and I agree with above posters who predict it will go down the memory hole. Unlike the scintillating saga of Larry Craig or whatever other stupidity our media sees fit to focus on.

366 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:05pm

re: #361 eastvillageinfidel

I've done it before.

I would seriously suggest that you not do it again.

367 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:16pm

Ambien? WNAT?

368 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:49pm

OK, I guess I'm safe. I won't do a third one, but I would like to meet God, face-to-face. Well, I guess that'll happen in it's own good time, eh?

369 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:24:00pm

PIMF! TMAT.

370 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:24:04pm

re: #364 Bob in Breckenridge

They still make Fresca™, NYN?

In the metro NY, NJ, and CT area, yes.

371 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:25:42pm

re: #366 NY Nana

I won't. :)

372 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:04pm

WNAT- Wednesday Night Ambien Thread.
TMAT- Thursday Morning Ambien Thread.

Ambueno Abien?

373 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:14pm

re: #368 Cartman

but I would like to meet God, face-to-face. Well, I guess that'll happen in it's own good time, eh?

It will happen many,many, many, many years from now. And you will go in the right direction!

G'nite, all. Please make sure Cartman behaves!

374 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:04pm

re: #371 eastvillageinfidel

I won't. :)

OK, now that I have it in writing, I can go to sleep!

375 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:06pm

re: #370 NY Nana

In the metro NY, NJ, and CT area, yes.

I loved Fresca when I was a kid- it was like 7-up with grapefruit juice, and the best part was my brothers HATED it! I wish they sold it in Colorado, I occasionally get tired of Diet Dr. Pepper.

376 missykrissy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:16pm

re: #331 Bob in Breckenridge

Now that you mention it, krissy, there was the guy in Las Vegas a few months ago...

<
So what is with these guys?
I mean - I could understand the poison ( although that is one hell of a clumsy way to cause chaos - but maybe explosives are too hard to get and place these days ) but what is with all the 'work accidents'?

And if they are just offing themselves?
Who needs that much?

It's almost like someone is 'doing unto others' - but ... anyone that good would have better cleanup.

So?

Strange.

377 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:57pm

re: #370 NY Nana

In the metro NY, NJ, and CT area, yes.

Remember Green River?

378 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:28:13pm

Night Nana.

379 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:28:14pm

G'nite, Nana. Thanks for your nursely advice, my dear!

380 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:27pm

re: #375 Bob in Breckenridge

I loved Fresca when I was a kid- it was like 7-up with grapefruit juice, and the best part was my brothers HATED it! I wish they sold it in Colorado, I occasionally get tired of Diet Dr. Pepper.

I bought some diet chocolate-cherry Dr. Pepper today. Haven't tried it yet.

381 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:56pm

re: #375 Bob in Breckenridge

I loved Fresca when I was a kid- it was like 7-up with grapefruit juice, and the best part was my brothers HATED it! I wish they sold it in Colorado, I occasionally get tired of Diet Dr. Pepper.

I like it the most of any pop. Sorry they don't have it there. NY Grampa loves Hines Root beer, but it is not sold in this area...and he is a Dr. Pepper fan, also.

382 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:30:06pm

We got Fresca in New Mexico. But don't come live here. Visit, we love having you. Then you go home.

383 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:30:46pm

Just another isolated incident...
1 nutjob down, ___ to go.

384 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:12pm

re: #376 missykrissy

So?

Strange.

/I can only quote Jim Morrison-

People are strange
When you're a stranger
Faces look ugly
When you're alone.
Women seem wicked
When you're unwanted
Streets are uneven
When you're down.

When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
When you're strange
When you're strange
When you're strange.

When you're a stranger
Faces look ugly
When you're alone.
Women seem wicked
When you're unwanted
Streets are uneven
When you're down.

When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name (X3)
When you're strange
When you're strange
When you're strange.

385 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:34pm

BTW do you know what happens when you mix Ambien and Dr Pepper?

386 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:35pm

re: #377 Bob in Breckenridge

Remember Green River?

No, but if you hum a few bars of Moon River...

Will look it up in the AM..2:30 here!

387 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:56pm

re: #382 Rancher

We got Fresca in New Mexico. But don't come live here. Visit, we love having you. Then you go home.

ROFLMAO!

388 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:02pm

Shhhhh! Is Nana gone?

*where's that damned 3rd Ambien? I had it here a second ago!*

389 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:36pm

re: #378 Rancher

Sweet dreams!

390 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:10pm

re: #385 Rancher

BTW do you know what happens when you mix Ambien and Dr Pepper?

You call yourself for medical advice.

391 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:29pm

re: #387 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, you know.

392 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:38pm

oooops

393 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:56pm

re: #380 Archimedes

I bought some diet chocolate-cherry Dr. Pepper today. Haven't tried it yet.

Never tried that, but it sounds gross.

394 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:34:26pm

re: #379 Cartman

G'nite, Cartman...for you? No problem. Just be well, or I will get you! ;)

395 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:07pm

re: #381 NY Nana

I like it the most of any pop. Sorry they don't have it there. NY Grampa loves Hines Root beer, but it is not sold in this area...and he is a Dr. Pepper fan, also.

Isn't there Dad's or A&W root beer sold there?

396 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:31pm

re: #388 Cartman

Shhhhh! Is Nana gone?

*where's that damned 3rd Ambien? I had it here a second ago!*


*cough* *cough* Ahem....you are grounded, young man!

397 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:24pm

Well, the Ambinator is signing off.

G'nite and weet dreams to (almost) all Lizards.

398 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:46pm

re: #395 Bob in Breckenridge

Isn't there Dad's or A&W root beer sold there?

Yes, but anyone from Brooklyn, like NY Grampa loves Hires. I am from Boston and also adore it.

399 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:09pm

re: #397 Cartman

ZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....

400 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:24pm

re: #393 Bob in Breckenridge

Never tried that, but it sounds gross.

It could be, but I'm willing to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. We'll see.

401 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:38:21pm

re: #381 NY Nana

I like it the most of any pop. Sorry they don't have it there. NY Grampa loves Hines Root beer, but it is not sold in this area...and he is a Dr. Pepper fan, also.

We have an A&W here, in Frisco (Frisco, Colorado, not San Francisco, CA), and they make their root beer fresh. It's really good, but i t has way too much sugar in it for me.

402 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:00pm

re: #400 Archimedes

It could be, but I'm willing to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. We'll see.

Good luck!

403 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:01pm

re: #401 Bob in Breckenridge

We have an A&W here, in Frisco (Frisco, Colorado, not San Francisco, CA), and they make their root beer fresh. It's really good, but i t has way too much sugar in it for me.

I mean I've always drank diet soda, since my Navy daze.

404 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:08pm

re: #381 NY Nana

Man we got Hines too. What is it with you people? Truckers don't mind CO, not like they hate NY and CA. I know, did it for a year. It's not like distributors don't want more business. Why can't you get this stuff?

405 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:19pm

#393 Bob in Breckenridge

Never tried that, but it sounds gross.

#400 Archimedes

It could be, but I'm willing to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. We'll see.

Without scrolling back to see what this discussion is about, I assume you're talking about one of my photo essays.

406 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:35pm

re: #390 Bob in Breckenridge

Wise guy!

You have the funniest avatar...how am I supposed to get to sleep when I am laughing so hard?

Try number 7...off to sleep, hi, ho, hi,ho. It's off to sleep I try to go, LOL all the way!

407 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:41:11pm

Ah -- soda.

Carry on!

408 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:42:02pm

re: #404 Rancher

Man we got Hines too. What is it with you people? Truckers don't mind CO, not like they hate NY and CA. I know, did it for a year. It's not like distributors don't want more business. Why can't you get this stuff?

They love hate NY!

409 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:43:07pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

whatcha need, if'n it isn't already dealt with?

410 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:44:19pm

PIMF. Hires.

411 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:27pm

re: #353 NY Nana

Seriously, do not. I am an RN (retired) and I read the info. Do not take a third tablet, and please, please, just to be safe, call a pharmacy and let them know that you took two.

I will email you some info...in about 3 minutes.

what she said..... WTF were you thinking?

412 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:53pm

I don't drink soda. I drink milk tho.

413 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:27pm

re: #406 NY Nana

Wise guy!

You have the funniest avatar...how am I supposed to get to sleep when I am laughing so hard?

Try number 7...off to sleep, hi, ho, hi,ho. It's off to sleep I try to go, LOL all the way!

I "borrowed" that from buddy Denny's blog... It's a must read, but the language can get kinda nasty, but not very often.

414 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:34pm

re: #405 zombie

#393 Bob in Breckenridge

Without scrolling back to see what this discussion is about, I assume you're talking about one of my photo essays.

lol ... could have been. :)

This is great, a funny video on the hypocrisy of Al Gore fans ...

415 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:35pm

re: #388 Cartman

Shhhhh! Is Nana gone?

*where's that damned 3rd Ambien? I had it here a second ago!*

i flushed it down the toilet.... along with the rest of the bottle.

from now on, stick to Benadryl.

416 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:48pm

I've learned the secret to what distinguishes the "OK" sodas from the "outstanding" sodas:

The best ones ALWAYS uses real cane sugar as a sweetener, as opposed to corn syrup. Unfortunately, 90%-95% of the soda in the US uses corn syrup. I think Coca-Cola (which uses corn syrup in its US bottling plants) uses real sugar when bottled in certain countries where sugar is cheaper, and traveling Americans often notice that Coke seems to taste better in tropical countries. It's not just a subjective opinion because you're on vacation -- it really does taste better there.

I forget the names of the (mostly small-time) brands that consistently use cane sugar, but look for them -- you will be surprised.

(There is a biochemical reason why cane sugar tastes better than corn syrup, but I won't go into that here.)

417 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:53pm

Wow, just noticed I'm 11 posts away from 5K!

418 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:49:35pm

re: #416 zombie

There is truth to your sugar comment. Not only does the sugar taste a bit less chemical, but the soda body is different. Thinner?

419 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:44pm

re: #417 Bob in Breckenridge

Wow, just noticed I'm 11 posts away from 5K!

There should be a giant aware ceremony when you reach the magic 5K barrier.


420 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:53pm

re: #408 NY Nana

NY I understand, but why CO? And why did it take Coors forever to sell east of the Mississippi? Colorado's a bit weird, and this coming from a New Mexican that has Santa Fe, which is close ideologically to 'Cisco...

421 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:51:17pm

re: #418 pat

There is truth to your sugar comment. Not only does the sugar taste a bit less chemical, but the soda body is different. Thinner?

Less cloying.

422 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:52:01pm

re: #421 zombie

Less cloying.

ad copy.

423 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:52:07pm

re: #416 zombie

I've learned the secret to what distinguishes the "OK" sodas from the "outstanding" sodas:

The best ones ALWAYS uses real cane sugar as a sweetener, as opposed to corn syrup. Unfortunately, 90%-95% of the soda in the US uses corn syrup. I think Coca-Cola (which uses corn syrup in its US bottling plants) uses real sugar when bottled in certain countries where sugar is cheaper, and traveling Americans often notice that Coke seems to taste better in tropical countries. It's not just a subjective opinion because you're on vacation -- it really does taste better there.

I forget the names of the (mostly small-time) brands that consistently use cane sugar, but look for them -- you will be surprised.

(There is a biochemical reason why cane sugar tastes better than corn syrup, but I won't go into that here.)

cane sugar also makes better jam/jelly better than beet sugar or corn syrup. i also believe it bakes better, etc. suffice to say there may be 3 or 4 different kinds of sugar in my house, but they're all cane.

(powdered sugar doesn't count, btw. %-)

424 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:00pm

re: #414 Archimedes

lol ... could have been. :)

This is great, a funny video on the hypocrisy of Al Gore fans ...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That was great! I even saved it to my favorites. The hypocrisy of the libs is really astounding. We had a thread about that event here at LGF when i9t happened, about 3 months ago.

425 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:02pm

re: #420 Rancher

NY I understand, but why CO? And why did it take Coors forever to sell east of the Mississippi? Colorado's a bit weird, and this coming from a New Mexican that has Santa Fe, which is close ideologically to 'Cisco...

because they (at least they used to) insist that it be transported cold, all the way to the shelf, and IIRC, there was a production volume issue.

/haven't had a Coors since AIT, IIRC.....

(nor a Stroh's, come to think of it. %-)

426 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:38pm

re: #416 zombie

Oh yes, I'm not making this up, we got Mexican glass bottles of Coke that taste like Coke used to taste. Come visit, then go home.

427 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:53pm

re: #419 Archimedes

There should be a giant aware ceremony when you reach the magic 5K barrier.


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

LOL!

428 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:22pm

re: #423 redc1c4

cane sugar also makes better jam/jelly better than beet sugar or corn syrup. i also believe it bakes better, etc. suffice to say there may be 3 or 4 different kinds of sugar in my house, but they're all cane.

(powdered sugar doesn't count, btw. %-)


I can think of three kinds of sugar off hand: your typical granular sugar, powdered sugar and brown sugar. How many kinds are there?

As a rule, I'm using Splenda now and have cut sugar almost completely out of my diet. I feel much healthier for it.

429 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:55pm

re: #416 zombie

zombie, ever hear anything else about "lawrence weller"? I still check the emails, but haven't even got any spam.

430 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:58:26pm

re: #416 zombie

The kosher Coke uses sugar, and it's widely available (at least here in the northeast) around Passover time. I drink Diet (Coke|Pepsi) but I usually buy a few 2 liter Passover Cokes whenever that time of year rolls around just to relive the taste of soda from back when I was a kid.

431 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:58:28pm

re: #420 Rancher

NY I understand, but why CO? And why did it take Coors forever to sell east of the Mississippi? Colorado's a bit weird, and this coming from a New Mexican that has Santa Fe, which is close ideologically to 'Cisco...

Rancher- Because Coors used to only ship it's beer cold, so its distribution was very limited.

432 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:59:30pm

re: #426 Rancher

Oh yes, I'm not making this up, we got Mexican glass bottles of Coke that taste like Coke used to taste. Come visit, then go home.

have those here in LA.... the local distributors were going to sue, then thought better of it.

why not just make a premium real sugar Coke in a special bottle, say 16oz glass like the ones from Mexico, and charge more for it?

/idiots

433 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:00:06am

re: #424 Bob in Breckenridge

That was great! I even saved it to my favorites. The hypocrisy of the libs is really astounding. We had a thread about that event here at LGF when i9t happened, about 3 months ago.

Yeah, and notice how one of them was pushing for as high prices for gasoline as possible! The motivation for that could be concern of AGW, which is so much rubbish, and/or it could be concern over running out of gas, which is also rubbish.

434 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:00:29am