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Cyanide Confirmed in Denver

Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 8:26:33 pm PDT

Denver police have confirmed that the substance found in a hotel with a dead Somali Muslim was cyanide—a lot of it.

DENVER — Police confirmed Wednesday that they found about a pound of sodium cyanide in a Denver hotel room where the body of a Canadian man was discovered earlier this week.

Police spokesman John White identified the white powder as sodium cyanide, the crystal form of cyanide. Fire officials say they found a bottle containing about a pound of the white powder, or between a pint and a quart by volume. An expert told the Denver Post that the amount of cyanide is enough to kill hundreds of people.

The medical examiner’s office said it is awaiting test results to determine whether cyanide killed 29-year-old Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada. His body was found Monday inside Room 408 at The Burnsley Hotel, which is about four blocks from the state Capitol. White said Dirie had been dead for several days. Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered.

Foul play is not suspected and his death appears to be an isolated incident, White said. The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

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1 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:28:28pm

That is a whole lot of hurt he was getting ready to launch on somebody.

2 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:28:48pm
no apparent connection to terrorism.


That's a relief.

3 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:04pm

Hey, I always bring a pack of cyanide with me when I travel. Doesn't everyone?

4 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:34pm
Foul play is not suspected and his death appears to be an isolated incident, White said. The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

say again?

5 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:46pm
FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism


Of course not. Don't most of us pack at least a pound of sodium cyanide to take on vacation?

6 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:29:58pm

Hey my Cyanide Girl

7 famousmortimer78  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:01pm

Apparently maid service at the Burnsley isn't so great, given that a corpse can go undiscovered for SIX DAYS...

8 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:18pm
the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Sure- why, we find foreigners with cyanide daily!

9 solomonpanting  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:29pm

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Of course not. He was an pest exterminator for the city of Denver.

10 famousmortimer78  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:30:32pm

You know that cyanide was probably left by the Gideons anyways

11 astronmr20  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:31:01pm

At this point, I'd say they have to prove that it's NOT terrorism. Looks like a "work accident" to me.

Afraid this one is going to go down the memory hole.

12 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:31:48pm

OMG, Thank You FBI for your hard work.

13 Macker  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:11pm

A Work Accident, perhaps?

14 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:13pm

re: #1 rawmuse

That is a whole lot of hurt he was getting ready to launch on somebody.

Hey RW it was only a pound ... lighten up.

/

15 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:18pm
The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

This is the same FBI that lost wire taps becuase they didn't manage tp pay their phone bills.

Must be Opposite Day today in Denver.

16 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:29pm

O.K. I have to say I always travel with anthrax. Don't we all? How would anyone connect a Muslim with this substance as a terrorist? sarc/off

17 LoFlyer  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:34pm

No doubt the FBI will downplay every aspect of the incident. One pound of anthrax would kill every soul in Denver, even the liberals.

18 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:32:37pm

Closest thing he got to "snow"

19 Noam Sayin'  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:33:53pm

re: #4 twincitiesgirl

say again?

Yeah, I was doing the cartoon headshake over that one.

20 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:34:27pm

Wait, he was in Denver right? Obviously he was a Republican sympathizer right. You know the Democrat convention and all.....

21 calcajun  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:34:39pm

...but we want to stress there is no indication of any terrorist activity.

Sheesh.

22 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:34:55pm

re: #16 nigella

O.K. I have to say I always travel with anthrax. Don't we all? How would anyone connect a Muslim with this substance as a terrorist? sarc/off

How did anthrax enter the thread?

23 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:10pm

re: #14 Bobibutu

OK I'm upside down dyslexic.

RM - RM

24 hack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:43pm

"i question the timing and blame bush" will be the common theme from the left after this news.

25 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:46pm

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.


I find it odd that the FBI spits out this statement before the investigation is even complete.

26 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:35:59pm

Sorry all I meant cyanide.....

27 cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:36:36pm
but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Just your average guy with a pound of cyanide and a muslim name who somehow ended up dead in a hotel room in the city of an important upcoming political convention. Nothing to arouse the curiousity of the FBI.

28 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:12pm

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

29 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:33pm

"no evidence of terrorism... yet" is the standard placeholder phrase, with my slight modification.

30 LoFlyer  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:35pm

re: #22 rawmuse

How did anthrax enter the thread?

White powder, could be anthrax spores, cocaine or talcum powder; take your pick!

31 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:36pm

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright is anything but.

32 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:37:41pm

re: #26 nigella

Sorry all I meant cyanide.....

Yeah ... that's the stuff ... got some right here! BTW there is a special on.

Give me a freekin break!

33 The Rebbitzen  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:38:09pm

How did he get there-fly or drive? Either way he had to go through customs with that stuff. Or did he get it from someone in the US?

34 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:39:49pm

I have to apologize for my errant spelling. Had all three of my Grand kids today and have indulged in a bit more wine than usual!

35 kuffar  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:40:27pm

I can only imagine how the party of self-deception, conspiracy theorists and Daily Kos ragers would handle chemical terrorism carried out on the DNC by a Muslim man...

36 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:40:34pm

Kathy Wright ... Hon, you keep on with the party line ... good paycheck security.

The counterintel troops have got to be working overtime as we post.

37 mattm  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:41:46pm

Terrorism? What terrorism? What is terrorism, ten pounds, 20? Mass dead people?

38 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:14pm

Having a pound of sodium cyanide handy is not terrorism?
What the hell else could it be?

39 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:15pm

re: #28 nigella

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

I've got some arsenic.
Maybe we could pool our resources...

40 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:21pm

re: #25 Maximu§

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.


I find it odd that the FBI spits out this statement before the investigation is even complete.

SOP! Just like TV in lock up is the highest priority to get fixed if it goes down.

41 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:42:38pm

re: #28 nigella

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

Well, I know I would never pack cyanide instead of clothes when travelling from one place to another.

42 ted  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:43:04pm

The head of the Arkansas Democratic Party shot dead in cold blood today...Cyanide in Denver...etc:

What next ?

43 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:43:39pm

re: #39 Killer Tomato

I've got some arsenic.
Maybe we could pool our resources...

WOW ... maybe we could really stir up some "shit".

/

44 jmorris42  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:43:41pm

Sure I'd hate to be the one having to say "Nothing to see here, move along..." with a straight face, but there is method to the seeming madness.

The goal of terrorism isn't killing people. It's terror. If the FBI admitted the obvious and the media gave it half the coverage Greta (Nancy for CNN viewers) gives a random missing white girl half the country would be in a blind panic by tomorrow and buying out every army surplus gas mask available.

45 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:44:21pm

Well, I hope the FBI did the right thing and posted the Sodium Cyanide on Ebay.... you know..... to make the government a little extra dough.... seeing that it isn't a terrorism thing.... type thing....

46 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:44:44pm

re: #38 FightingBack

Having a pound of sodium cyanide handy is not terrorism?
What the hell else could it be?

Revenge on your mother-in-law?

47 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:00pm

re: #43 Bobibutu

Well it isn't much. I just happen to have a couple ant traps on hand.

48 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:08pm

I took a Kalashnikov and a FAL on my last vacation.

49 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:19pm

re: #39 Killer Tomato

I've got some arsenic.
Maybe we could pool our resources...

I'll bring the diesel oil and ammonium nitrate. We'll make it a party.

50 nigella  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:29pm

Bobibutu,probably trying to keep the truth from those of us who would panic. You know , "What you don't know won't hurt you." I disagree totally of course, but they probably don't want people to panic.

51 lizardbennet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:45:45pm

It's scary that a Muslim guy was found in a Denver hotel room with a pound of cyanide--but in a way it's scarier that the FBI would release a statement that there's no apparent connection to terrorism. What the hell is that?

52 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:18pm

I think with only weeks to go until the convention, it's possible the FBI wants to downplay any terrorist connections in order to not cause any panic. Perhaps in the thinking of the FBI, one person isn't worth calling this a terrorist case, but if there was a wider conspiracy, perhaps they would. I'm not buying that this guy wasn't on a jihadi mission of his own, but perhaps they are just looking to quell any sort of panic.

Plus- there's the real possibility of moonbats spinning any FBI talk of terrorism into wild-eyed conspiracies. Just a thought.

53 solomonpanting  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:18pm

The very next sentence after "FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism" she says

"You have a suspicious substance that was found in a hotel room in conjunction with person being a foreign national, and we have a lot of questions and that is why we are assisting,"

Apparently, one of the questions has nothing to do with terrorism.

54 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:33pm

re: #46 Bobibutu

Revenge on your mother-in-law?

Starting your own nylon stocking plant.

55 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:35pm

re: #47 Killer Tomato

Well it isn't much. I just happen to have a couple ant traps on hand.

Shifo Dude/Dudess - it's a start!

56 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:46:59pm
no apparent connection to terrorism.


I guess Al Qaeda members have learned to leave their official ID cards back home when they travel.
What, pray tell, would an apparent connection look like?

57 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:14pm

re: #51 lizardbennet

It's scary that a Muslim guy was found in a Denver hotel room with a pound of cyanide--but in a way it's scarier that the FBI would release a statement that there's no apparent connection to terrorism. What the hell is that?

What's scarier is the guy and his family most likely live within 1/2 a mile of me.

58 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:19pm

re: #42 ted

The head of the Arkansas Democratic Party shot dead in cold blood today...Cyanide in Denver...etc:

What next ?

I dunno, this new movie called "Tropic Thunder" seems like a total hoot. Just watched the trailer.

59 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:32pm

And they are saying this isn't terrorism?! Give me a freak'in break. What would your average Somali Muslim from Ottawa Canada do with a pound of cyanide? In Denver? Just before a huge event is scheduled there?

Yea.. right.

I also believe John Edwards isn't the father.

60 Bloodnok  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:47:56pm

FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

..and in other news we found the shark. The Amity beaches will be open this weekend/

61 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:48:02pm

re: #19 Noam Sayin'

On a loosely related note. Years ago I worked for the postal service as a temp over the Christmas holidays. I worked with many Somalis--very nice people. One of the things we were told was to watch out for suspicious mail. Oddly shaped letters, packages, etc.

One day I found a letter that was lumpy and had an odd string hanging out of the envelope. When I very slowly removed it and took it to my supervisor (as instructed) She looked at it tapped it hard on the side of her desk and said--oh I don't think that's anything. She should have stopped at the I don't think part.

Lesson learned--clear the area then send the supervisor over to investigate.

62 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:48:38pm

re: #54 OldLineTexan

Starting your own nylon stocking plant.

I guess it's under Miscellaneous ... wheeeeeeee

63 Lawrior  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:49:17pm

Oh sure, the foreigner with the "different" name just happens to be the one that the warrants bringing in the FBI. Did the FBI hassle anyone else with a pound of cyanide? No. This smacks of racial profiling, and the Democrats should demand an apology immediately.

Seriously, what are the odds that if this makes it to the MSM, the deceased is portrayed as a right-winger?

64 lizardbennet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:49:39pm

re: #52 Sharmuta
The FBI statement makes me feel like the government has been overrun by pod-people. How's that for a wild-eyed conspiracy theory?

65 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:49:51pm

re: #61 twincitiesgirl

On a loosely related note. Years ago I worked for the postal service as a temp over the Christmas holidays. I worked with many Somalis--very nice people. One of the things we were told was to watch out for suspicious mail. Oddly shaped letters, packages, etc.

One day I found a letter that was lumpy and had an odd string hanging out of the envelope. When I very slowly removed it and took it to my supervisor (as instructed) She looked at it tapped it hard on the side of her desk and said--oh I don't think that's anything. She should have stopped at the I don't think part.

Lesson learned--clear the area then send the supervisor over to investigate.

Did she start out testing bombs with Bugs Bunny?

66 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:22pm

re: #59 Yankee Division Son

And they are saying this isn't terrorism?! Give me a freak'in break. What would your average Somali Muslim from Ottawa Canada do with a pound of cyanide? In Denver? Just before a huge event is scheduled there?

Yea.. right.

I also believe John Edwards isn't the father.

I have a friend that is a therapist who will provide free counseling for you.

67 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:28pm

re: #62 Bobibutu

I guess it's under Miscellaneous ... wheeeeeeee

Going for the niche market, eh?

Smaaaarrrrt.

68 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:46pm

I'm curious to know what Kathy Wright scored on the "Identifying Signs of Possible Terrorist Activity" section of the FBI entrance exam.

69 lizardbennet  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:50:52pm

re: #57 Canadian Guy
Yeah, I lived within a 1/2 mile of Mohammad Attah.

70 Truth Dr.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:10pm

The FBI sensitivity training is clearly working.

71 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:11pm

Muslim from Canada in a Denver hotel room

Shortly before a major political event

In possession of a pound of deadly poison

Found dead in a hotel room

Any questions?

Not really said Kathy Wright, FBI spokesperson

72 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:16pm

A pound of cyanide here, a pound there.

It's hard to keep track.

73 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:21pm

re: #56 redshirt

What, pray tell, would an apparent connection look like?

No one knows. The FBI has never seen one.

74 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:30pm

re: #48 The Other Les

I took a Kalashnikov and a FAL on my last vacation.

Where the hell did you go? Kandahar?

75 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:51:54pm

re: #64 lizardbennet

Well, I agree with #44.

76 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:52:31pm

re: #74 Cartman

Where the hell did you go? Kandahar?

North Carolina.

77 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:52:38pm

Even if the FBI announced this was terrorism (muslim in a hotel room a few weeks before a major political convention, with enough cyanide to kill hundreds) moonbats would only deny that it was in fact terrorism related, and argue that it was most likely a Republican false flag operation.

78 Truth Dr.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:52:41pm

Maybe he was part of the Omar Khadr defence team.

79 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:53:02pm

re: #67 OldLineTexan

Going for the niche market, eh?

Smaaaarrrrt.

niche is where it's at. You have it right OLT.

80 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:53:08pm

I am pretty sure one of the jobs of the FBI is to NOT say anything stupid, immediately. Save it for later, maybe.

81 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:53:14pm

The odd question is why this ninny would have this stuff.
Sodium cyanide
You can use it to poison the kool-aid, but that doesn't make it a mass-attack terrorist weapon.

82 Wm T Sherman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:54:07pm

If he was chock full o' cyanide, maybe he didn't decompose and they won't need to embalm him.

83 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:55:48pm

Hey all y'all - not too late to this party, LOL!
I really hate to go off topic (maybe there's a reason the FBI wants to say there appears to be no link to terrorism for their own reasons, not for public consumption) but I've not been all that well today and just wondered where the hell the Russians are in Georgia and where is our Navy AND did the Russians offer any resistance to the Air Force plane landing to drop off humanitarian aid (or to it's taking off again)?

84 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:01pm

re: #81 MikeySDCA

from your link

Sodium cyanide is mainly used to extract gold and other precious metals in mining.


See? He was just going mining. Now move along...

85 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:26pm

re: #81 MikeySDCA

The odd question is why this ninny would have this stuff.
Sodium cyanide
You can use it to poison the kool-aid, but that doesn't make it a mass-attack terrorist weapon.

Stupid is as stupid does ... or something like that ... personally ... I think these folks are not playing with a full deck.

86 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:54pm

I'm not so inclined to hop on the "FBI are idiots" bandwagon. Firstly, if you know any agents, you'll know they're not idiots.

Secondly, we don't know what they know.

Thirdly, at this point in an investigation they couldn't care less what we know. If there's a connection -- or a suspected connection -- there's little reason for them to say so, unless they need the public's help.

So I'm willing to give it a few days and see what emerges.

87 rorschach  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:56pm

Just build the doggone fence.


/uhm, that would be fence numero deux...

88 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:56:57pm

re: #84 Killer Tomato

from your link


See? He was just going mining. Now move along...

No wonder he was in Denver. Looking for the Nuggets, not the goldbricks.

Thank you, citizen.

89 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:57:16pm

re: #83 realwest

Hey RW, might want to check some of the other threads. Nothing too encouraging happened today, IMHO.

90 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:57:24pm

re: #84 Killer Tomato

from your link


See? He was just going mining. Now move along...

Yup, just your average dead muslim gold miner. Happens all the time.

91 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:57:33pm

I'm curious now. Hey FBI - what exactly fits the criteria of being a terrorist incident?

92 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:02pm

re: #76 The Other Les
You brought a Kalashnikov and a FAL on your last vacation to North Carolina (a/k/a my favorite State)?
Why?

93 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:03pm

re: #85 Bobibutu

Entirely agree about the card count, but I'm still intrigued about what he was going to do with it. I think this kind of question is worth thought.

94 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:09pm

I'm going to rewrite the FBI statement for sane people, please:

29-year-old Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada was found dead Monday. A pound of sodium cyanide was in his hotel room. We don't know what his connections are as yet, but we are investigating as quickly as we can, and we'll let the public know as soon as we do. Nothing is apparent, but it rarely is until we investigate, and that does take time. We're on the case.
Thank you.

95 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:49pm

re: #94 FightingBack

I'm going to rewrite the FBI statement for sane people, please:

29-year-old Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, of Ottawa, Canada was found dead Monday. A pound of sodium cyanide was in his hotel room. We don't know what his connections are as yet, but we are investigating as quickly as we can, and we'll let the public know as soon as we do. Nothing is apparent, but it rarely is until we investigate, and that does take time. We're on the case.
Thank you.

Yes. Exactly.

96 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:58:54pm

re: #91 Racer X

I'm curious now. Hey FBI - what exactly fits the criteria of being a terrorist incident?

The perp yells "Alley Oop Snackbar!" as they attack.

97 E.T.  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:44pm

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

98 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:50pm

re: #96 rawmuse

The perp yells "Alley Oop Snackbar!" as they attack.

LOL!

99 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:58pm

re: #89 rawmuse Well I would, but they are at least one, maybe two threads back and I wondered if anyone's heard anything since then.

100 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 8:59:59pm

re: #96 rawmuse

The perp yells "Alley Oop Snackbar!" as they attack.

And here I always thought it was "Aloha Snackbar!" D'OH!

101 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:10pm

re: #92 realwest

You brought a Kalashnikov and a FAL on your last vacation to North Carolina (a/k/a my favorite State)?
Why?

I bought them in Minnesota (both semi-auto) and took them to Nroth Carolina to show to a friend.

102 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:12pm

re: #86 Cognito

I have known many who are NOT idiots.... but definitely some who ARE.

103 Pawpaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:44pm

re: #17 LoFlyer

No doubt the FBI will downplay every aspect of the incident. One pound of anthrax would kill every soul in Denver, even the liberals.

Liberals don't have souls.

104 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:00:54pm

Until they have more facts, I think it's in the FBI's best interest to say something like "not terrorist related". It's not that I'm not skeptical, but it's the same reasoning that the msm and law enforcement officials have to say things like "alleged killer" when they make arrests.

105 OldLineTexan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:16pm

re: #97 E.T.

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

Was it a Democrat food color? Locally grown? Organic?

/ask the IMPORTANT questions!

106 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:28pm

re: #101 The Other Les
Ah, I'm glad you cleared that up for me - starting to
think I may be undergunned here! LOL!

107 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:31pm

re: #97 E.T.

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

Water, I'd guess.

Or in the really slow version, airborne particulate.

108 neocon hippie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:34pm

Whatever happened with that incident earlier this year in Vegas where a guy was found near death in a hotel room with a vial of ricin?

109 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:01:55pm

re: #97 E.T.

How would one use this form of cyanide to kill "hundreds" ? ... I am thinking the only way would be by poisoning food. I hope the FBI is looking into the food vendors and their employees.

That'd never work. No one's going to be eating there anyway - remember the lack of edible food to be served?

110 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:02:05pm

re: #99 realwest

Well I would, but they are at least one, maybe two threads back and I wondered if anyone's heard anything since then.

Well, I will tell you what didn't happen, the Russians did not withdraw.
Hope you are feeling better soon!

111 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:02:29pm

I wonder what else was in that hotel room.

The Cult™ handbook perhaps?

(Koran)

112 badger1970  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:02:34pm

No, no. Nothing to see here. Nope, nothing at all. He...he..oh yeah, he was working for Cyanide'r'us. Here take a look at this shining light. *poof*

Heaven forbid that the FBI will admit to almost having a lunatic take out a fair amount of the population without their knowledge.

113 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:01pm

How much cyanide would it take to reliably kill a person, and does it have to be ingested or is there another way?

As I remember the Nazis that were captured or cornered in 1945. They killed themselves with glass ampules of cyanide that must have been very small.

114 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:22pm

re: #108 neocon hippie

He's alive. He made the ricin for reasons which remain unclear, except that he's a whacko.

115 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:56pm

I have serious doubts there is no foul play involved here.

A muslim comes in through Canada, ends up in Denver just before the Democrat Convention and has a ton of a deadly poison? I mean, come on, who carries cyanide around?

"Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism." Ah, the incident most certainly does have an "apparent" connection to terrorism. It looks very much like that's what was intended. Man I hate officials who make statements like that. They continually say "There is no connection to terrorism", even when there are clear connections to terrorism. Sherlock Holmes she ain't.

116 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:03:56pm

re: #86 Cognito

I'm not so inclined to hop on the "FBI are idiots" bandwagon. Firstly, if you know any agents, you'll know they're not idiots.

Secondly, we don't know what they know.

Thirdly, at this point in an investigation they couldn't care less what we know. If there's a connection -- or a suspected connection -- there's little reason for them to say so, unless they need the public's help.

So I'm willing to give it a few days and see what emerges.

I agree. It's always fun to poke fun and they are a big target. These guys and gals play dumb and have been trained that way. I have friends who are SS and FBI and my Grandfather was FBI ... they can take the heat and smile.

Do not toy with them. They get the job done. And a lot of it goes unnoticed.

117 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:04:54pm

re: #110 rawmuse Thank you for that.
Guess I'd better head back to the most recent thread/comments.

118 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:09pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Until they have more facts, I think it's in the FBI's best interest to say something like "not terrorist related". It's not that I'm not skeptical, but it's the same reasoning that the msm and law enforcement officials have to say things like "alleged killer" when they make arrests.

"not terrorist related" is a statement of fact. Seems a bit premature to me to say anything one way or the other. Better to say "just don't know". Otherwise their statement is an unwanted palliative.

119 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:17pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Until they have more facts, I think it's in the FBI's best interest to say something like "not terrorist related". It's not that I'm not skeptical, but it's the same reasoning that the msm and law enforcement officials have to say things like "alleged killer" when they make arrests.

Ahh, I wish they would just say, "We are investigating", and tell us there is or is not a terrorist link when they've finished investigating.

120 williwonka  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:17pm

Having a full stomach and being overweight offer some defense.

Wikipedia says:

Terrorism

In 2003, Al Qaeda reportedly planned to release cyanide gas into the New York City Subway system. The attack was reportedly aborted because there would not be enough casualties.[6]

In 1995 a device was discovered in a restroom in the Kayabacho Tokyo subway station consisting of bags of sodium cyanide and sulfuric acid with a remote controlled motor to rupture them in what was believed to be an attempt to produce toxic amounts of hydrogen cyanide gas by the Aum Shinrikyo cult[7]

[edit]

121 kahall  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:21pm

Hold on it's just a Canadian. What is the big deal?

122 windhorse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:05:44pm

maybe the FBI knows how difficult it would be to employ this stuff for mass murder.... and they have adopted their stance as a means of keeping people disinterested.

(but the guy with it didn't understand things and very well could have had "grand" ambitions....)

123 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:06pm

re: #113 Cicero05

Very few such cases happened, although one was Heinrich Himmler. That was small glass ampoules of potassium cyanide, much more lethal than sodium,

124 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:40pm

re: #109 Killer Tomato

That'd never work. No one's going to be eating there anyway - remember the lack of edible food to be served?

Now there are studies showing frequent tofu consumption leads to decreased brain functions. Maybe the idea of banning edible food at the Dem convention is not such a bad idea after all.

125 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:46pm

Ah, he was just going to poison pigeons in the park — T.L.

Nothing in any religion
Compels us to love the pigeon — O.N.

126 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:50pm

re: #119 reine.de.tout

Ahh, I wish they would just say, "We are investigating", and tell us there is or is not a terrorist link when they've finished investigating.

And I agree, but I think there is something to be said for trying to prevent any sort of panic. Especially in light of the upcoming convention.

127 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:55pm

re: #104 Sharmuta

Exactly especially when you can be sure the CAIR folks will be screaming racist otherwise.

/my computer is acting up a lot lately

128 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:06:58pm

This is interesting:

Demonstrators perform a traditional "war dance" during a demonstration by supporters of Abkhazia and South Ossetia in front of the Georgian consulate in Istanbul August 13, 2008.

A war dance at an anti-Georgian rally.

Gosh! What a surprise!

129 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:07:02pm

re: #112 badger1970

No, no. Nothing to see here. Nope, nothing at all. He...he..oh yeah, he was working for Cyanide'r'us. Here take a look at this shining light. *poof*

130 Yankee Division Son  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:07:04pm

re: #66 Bobibutu

I have a friend that is a therapist who will provide free counseling for you.

I really didn't think the sarc tag was necessary..

131 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:07:04pm

Okay this is creepy

re 1993 WTC attack

The bomb exploded in the underground garage at 12:18 pm, generating a pressure estimated over one GPa and opening a 30-meter-wide (98 foot) hole through four sublevels of concrete. The detonation velocity of this bomb was about 15,000 ft/s (4.5 km/s). There remains a popular belief that there was cyanide in the bomb, which is reinforced by Judge Duffy's statement at sentencing, "[y]ou had sodium cyanide around, and I’m sure it was in the bomb." However, the bomb's true composition was not able to be ascertained from the crime scene and Robert Blitzer, a senior FBI official who worked on the case, stated that there was "no forensic evidence indicating the presence of sodium cyanide at the bomb site." Furthermore, Yousef is said only to have considered adding cyanide to the bomb, and to have regretted not doing so in Peter Lance's book 1000 Years For Revenge

.

132 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:02pm

People who throiw cyanide should live in gas houses.

133 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:44pm

re: #123 MikeySDCA

Very few such cases happened, although one was Heinrich Himmler. That was small glass ampoules of potassium cyanide, much more lethal than sodium,

I think Hitler bit one too, but he immediately followed it with a .9 mm chaser to the brain.

134 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #86 Cognito

Very true--I wonder why the public at large doesn't seem to understand this.

135 williwonka  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:49pm

re: #113 Cicero05

I looked it up and it was too complicated. Micro grams per pound of weight in rabbits, rats and mice.

Does one know the difference if he has been killed unreliably? Can a reliable person be killed unreliably?

136 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:08:55pm

re: #93 MikeySDCA

Entirely agree about the card count, but I'm still intrigued about what he was going to do with it. I think this kind of question is worth thought.

Absolutely ... greater minds than ours are working overtime on your question.

One pound - powder - run wild and scatter? "Amok" is a Malay/Indonesian word incorporated into our language.

It is real and we need to understand the definition.

137 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:09:06pm

re: #133 Cicero05

True.

138 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:09:26pm

I don't think we're painting the FBI as the gang that couldn't shoot straight, I think we'd just appreciate it if they'd stop treating us like we're 4 year olds. You don't know - say you don't know.
I'm not saying they should panic the population, but this steady drone beat of 'go back to sleep' isn't exactly helpful, either.

139 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:12pm

re: #138 Killer Tomato

Bullseye.

140 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:44pm

re: #130 Yankee Division Son

I really didn't think the sarc tag was necessary..

Fair enough

141 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:52pm

re: #138 Killer Tomato

"Go back to sleep" is an insult actually.

IMHO.


Good Night All

(HA)

142 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:10:54pm

re: #126 Sharmuta

And I agree, but I think there is something to be said for trying to prevent any sort of panic. Especially in light of the upcoming convention.

Ah, the old don't panic them canard. That is the sort of BS that breeds a different sort of panic - the bastards are lying to me routine that leads to all sorts of conspiracy crapola.

143 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:11:39pm

re: #135 williwonka

Does one know the difference if he has been killed unreliably? Can a reliable person be killed unreliably?

You need to be sure you don't just piss off the victim.

144 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:11:45pm

Obrigado, amigos!

145 Opilio  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:12:01pm

re: #113 Cicero05

How much cyanide would it take to reliably kill a person, and does it have to be ingested or is there another way?

As I remember the Nazis that were captured or cornered in 1945. They killed themselves with glass ampules of cyanide that must have been very small.

The oral LD50 for NaCN in animal studies is 5-10 mg/kg. If this scales up to humans, a gram would probably be reliably fatal to most people, possibly a little less.

146 Timbre  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:14:14pm
"Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered."

Lay off he janitorial staff, folks. The "Do Not Disturb--Packaging Cyanide" sign means just what it says.

147 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:15:46pm

re: #135 williwonka

I looked it up and it was too complicated. Micro grams per pound of weight in rabbits, rats and mice.

Does one know the difference if he has been killed unreliably? Can a reliable person be killed unreliably?

Even if it only made the victims sick the person/people doing the attack would get a result they wanted. Look at the panic over the "tainted" tomatoes and now add a political event to the mix.

148 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:15:46pm

re: #145 Opilio

The oral LD50 for NaCN in animal studies is 5-10 mg/kg. If this scales up to humans, a gram would probably be reliably fatal to most people, possibly a little less.

So a pound is 453 doses, as long as nobody takes more than they really need.

149 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:15:53pm

Aifia Siddique, the al-Qaeda bitch had cynide did she not?

150 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:16:28pm

re: #2 Killgore Trout

No, none at all.

Just your everyday cyanide mishap.

151 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:17:05pm

re: #142 The Shadow Do

I'm sorry, but do you have proof the FBI is lying about this? Or should we just start calling every whacko or criminal out there a terrorist?

152 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:18:46pm

re: #41 reine.de.tout

I actually think the airlines instituted an additional fee for traveler's cyanide.

153 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:18:54pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, but do you have proof the FBI is lying about this? Or should we just start calling every whacko or criminal out there a terrorist?

Shadow Do isn't saying anyone is lying. He or she was speaking in the voice of someone paranoid, in that sentence...

154 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:19:01pm

re: #146 Timbre
"Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered."

Who are these friends? And how do they know?

155 williwonka  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:19:06pm

re: #86 Cognito

Agree with your post.

The is some minimal advantage to not convincing others of interest that you are hot on their trail.

Perhaps some will be overconfident or at least not make it even more difficult to find them.

156 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:19:25pm

This was one crummy, effed-up day. Let's hope tomorrow's better.

Weet dreams all.

157 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:20:11pm

Good Evening Lizards! it was humid, but overall, a pleasant day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

On a positive Note, kids from all over the world are living their dream. Sorry if it seems an "over-the-top Pollyanna" viewpoint, but I am thrilled for them.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

158 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:03pm

re: #154 FightingBack

I do find it strange that a hotel would let a room go for 6 days without housekeeping notifying someone.

159 superdaveTWC  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:17pm

Sodium cyanide (NaCN) is useful in chemistry for a variety of reactions (no, get your own Ph.D. in chemistry). It can be obtained through legitimate channels for legitimate purposes. I cannot conceive of many which involve tourism to Denver other than industrial gold mining.

Of course, industrial gold mining using sodium cyanide is not economical if you have only a pound (~450 grams) of NaCN, and you need to travel from Canada to Colorado.

Either he was extremely suicidal and wanted NO CHANCE of failure and wanted to be SURE he died at an altitude of 1600 meters above sea level, OR he was an idiot, OR he was intent on killing someone in Colorado, OR he was on his way to some other place to kill someone , OR he was part of a group of people with a nefarious plot (i.e. a terrorist), OR he was simply a cyanide collector.

I just don't know the answer. Maybe he used it sparingly to spice up his food?

160 BLBfootballs  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:22pm
The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Well, gosh! What kind of an Islamophobe would suggest something like that?

161 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:28pm

re: #157 ggt
We're taking a survey. How much cyanide do you usually pack to take on vacation?

162 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:31pm

I have been wondering the subthreads, and then find we are on a topic that interest me. And a good one too.

163 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:32pm

re: #157 ggt

Cyanide.

164 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:21:48pm

So what if the powder were mixed with a commercially available acid, such as pool acid? What would the reaction be? Explosive? Would it multiply the toxicity?
I am not a chemist, but it seems as if a guy with powder had planned to hook up with a guy with some liquid, some really bad stuff might have happened.

165 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:22:36pm

re: #158 ggt

I do find it strange that a hotel would let a room go for 6 days without housekeeping notifying someone.

Sounds like someone just kept swipin' the card, and then "disturbed" when the card stopped paying.

166 barry the baptist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:22:43pm

Muslim?

A lot of cyanide?

Terrorist?

What are you? An Islamophobe?!

167 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:23:07pm

re: #157 ggt

And no link to terrorism.

168 Alberta Oil Peon  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:23:40pm

re: #107 Cognito

Water, I'd guess.

Or in the really slow version, airborne particulate.

If the perp could get access to the ventilation air intake of a large building, he could simply dump the sodium cyanide into a plastic pail and add a gallon or two of strong acid. Large quantities of hydrogen cyanide gas would be evolved, and that's the magic ingredient of California's late lamented gas chamber.

169 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:00pm

re: #164 redshirt

Well, we know he has friends. They said he has friends, right? And these friends knew (somehow) that he had been dead six days.

170 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:14pm

re: #165 Cognito

I actually work in a motel and that is damn strange.

171 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:27pm

Was this the character that was writing anti-Christian screeds on that Somali website?

172 BLBfootballs  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:24:33pm

re: #159 superdaveTWC

I just don't know the answer. Maybe he used it sparingly to spice up his food?

Like iocaine powder?! ;-}

173 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:01pm

Take it easy guys.

174 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:18pm

TriggerGirlie? You out there?

175 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:21pm

re: #170 Rancher

I actually work in a motel and that is damn strange.

Oh, no doubt.

176 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:27pm

re: #151 Sharmuta

I'm sorry, but do you have proof the FBI is lying about this? Or should we just start calling every whacko or criminal out there a terrorist?

They are lying if they are saying conclusively at this juncture that this is not terrorism related, I think. I suppose the "no apparent connection" statement provides the out. I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass.

177 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:29pm

re: #161 Killer Tomato

Well, unless there are traces of it in my shampoo and toothpaste that I am not aware of, I'd say I usually pack:

zero/nada/zilch/none. ZNZN

178 MikeySDCA  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:25:50pm

re: #159 superdaveTWC

Very nicely put. Thank you very much.

179 JustMyView  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:08pm

It seems odd that no cause of death has been reported. Seems like they would have had time to do at least a basic autopsy, if not tox screens and other such tests.

180 Opilio  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:28pm

re: #164 redshirt

So what if the powder were mixed with a commercially available acid, such as pool acid? What would the reaction be? Explosive? Would it multiply the toxicity?
I am not a chemist, but it seems as if a guy with powder had planned to hook up with a guy with some liquid, some really bad stuff might have happened.

It would release lots of Hydrogen Cyanide gas, which, in sufficiently high concentrations, is toxic (e.g. gas chamber), and in lower concentrations smells realllllllly bad.

181 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:45pm

re: #171 pat

Was this the character that was writing anti-Christian screeds on that Somali website?

Same name.

182 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:26:49pm

re: #179 JustMyView

It seems odd that no cause of death has been reported. Seems like they would have had time to do at least a basic autopsy, if not tox screens and other such tests.

Tuna sandwich.

183 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:27:22pm

re: #161 Killer Tomato

We're taking a survey. How much cyanide do you usually pack to take on vacation?

If I'm flying Delta, I always pack the standard suicide dosage. It's when you don't take it that you really wish you had it.

184 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:27:35pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do

Particularly if you do not not know how he died. No law enforcement officer would ever arrive at that conclusion without knowing the cause of death and the state of the corpse (dress, etc).

185 FightingBack  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:28:21pm

re: #184 pat

Particularly if you do not not know how he died. No law enforcement officer would ever arrive at that conclusion without knowing the cause of death and the state of the corpse (dress, etc).

Aha! He was wearing a dress, eh?

186 Cicero05  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:28:53pm

re: #185 FightingBack

Aha! He was wearing a dress, eh?

The first important clue!

187 Sharmuta  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:29:03pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

188 stevieray  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:29:41pm

Jawa on the cyanide guy.

I especially like the last part, where he clobbers the Rocky Mountain News.

189 Cognito  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:29:56pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

Actually, having read the follow up, I agree with you on this.

190 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:30:03pm

re: #157 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! it was humid, but overall, a pleasant day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland.

On a positive Note, kids from all over the world are living their dream. Sorry if it seems an "over-the-top Pollyanna" viewpoint, but I am thrilled for them.

How are you-all and what are we talking about?

I'm always impressed with Australia. For such a small population they do incredibly well.

191 boiledwombat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:32:23pm

The original reports stated that the person "died from a cause other than cyanide poisoning". Interesting if true.

192 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:33:20pm

re: #191 boiledwombat

Lead poisoning?

193 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:33:23pm

re: #186 Cicero05

The first important clue!

That he's not a devout Muslim? They have an out, that's why the 9/11 pigs could go to strip clubs and get plastered.

194 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:33:37pm

Something I just found.

[Link: meyerweb.com...]

195 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:35:06pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

I understand, but they really do need to address a pound or so of a deadly substance outside of the standard canned response. It is really stupid to ignore this in their official statement. They need to expand their vocabulary beyond the standard issue "no apparent connection".

Lawyer speak. Crappy news reporting.

196 stevieray  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:36:41pm

re: #187 Sharmuta

So- if they don't have the evidence yet to support a claim that this is terrorist related, wouldn't they make a comment along the lines of "no apparent connection to terrorism"?

Please- don't get me wrong- I'm highly suspicious, but they have rules they have to play by to cover their own asses.

The trouble is, even later they stick to that story. The El Al terminal shoot-up... the NC student who mowed down a dozen people with his car... etc... None of these events get presented as terror related further down the line.

It usually gets sold as "mental illness". Even the case of the two guys who got pulled over in SC with the "fireworks" in the trunk. The feds kept saying it wasn't terror related... it took the local cops to tell the whole story.

The feds are sticking to the "peaceful religion hijacked" meme no matter what. I guess they decided the truth presents too many problems, so go with the lie.

197 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:08pm

re: #191 boiledwombat

Could've been anything - he was staying in a hotel where sanitation doesn't appear to be a high priority.
For all we know it was anthrax left over from the last guest...

198 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:37:58pm

re: #196 stevieray

The trouble is, even later they stick to that story. The El Al terminal shoot-up... the NC student who mowed down a dozen people with his car... etc... None of these events get presented as terror related further down the line.

It usually gets sold as "mental illness". Even the case of the two guys who got pulled over in SC with the "fireworks" in the trunk. The feds kept saying it wasn't terror related... it took the local cops to tell the whole story.

The feds are sticking to the "peaceful religion hijacked" meme no matter what. I guess they decided the truth presents too many problems, so go with the lie.

Just so. Get's old doesn't it.

199 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:15pm
200 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:34pm

re: #176 The Shadow Do
"I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass."
Ah, actually no, it's not splitting hairs. Reporting or rather stating that terrorist implications were being investigated would lead a large part of the public to believe that terroris was involved (which, mind you I'm not saying might not turn out to be the case)whereas the no apparent connection line would keep the public calm.
One of the - if not THE biggest objectives of terrorists is to upset the "normalcy" and feeling of security of a society. Absent any significant evidence that this was terrorist related was probably the smart thing for the FBI to do - if there are terrorist implications here, that news can come out later - well after the FBI has done what it can to uncover any plot(s) of which the alleged terrorist was a part.

201 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:38:42pm
202 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:42pm
203 MacGregor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:39:49pm

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204 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:40:35pm

re: #180 Opilio

Thanks for that answer. Seems like that would be pretty easily deployed. Even if they can't get inside the convention, there will be plenty of big crowds outside.
I wonder if any who are planning to attend the event are puckering just a bit now?

205 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:41:16pm

re: #200 realwest

Your brilliant mind is right on.

206 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:41:38pm

re: #200 realwest

"I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass."
Ah, actually no, it's not splitting hairs. Reporting or rather stating that terrorist implications were being investigated would lead a large part of the public to believe that terroris was involved (which, mind you I'm not saying might not turn out to be the case)whereas the no apparent connection line would keep the public calm.
One of the - if not THE biggest objectives of terrorists is to upset the "normalcy" and feeling of security of a society. Absent any significant evidence that this was terrorist related was probably the smart thing for the FBI to do - if there are terrorist implications here, that news can come out later - well after the FBI has done what it can to uncover any plot(s) of which the alleged terrorist was a part.

Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem.

207 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:42:11pm

re: #197 Killer Tomato

Could've been anything - he was staying in a hotel where sanitation doesn't appear to be a high priority.
For all we know it was anthrax left over from the last guest...

In some of those hotels they have a poison store in the lobby, just in case a guest has the urge to buy a large quantity and die next to it.

208 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:15pm

re: #206 The Shadow Do

Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem.

For most of us - we would rather our guys and gals shoot first - but intel is the game - frustrating in the short term - rewarding in the long.

209 Seraphym  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:46:52pm

So, can we assume this splodey-dope Cyani-dope doesn't get any virgins white grapes?

210 FurryOldGuyJeans  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:47:22pm

re: #196 stevieray

The trouble is, even later they stick to that story. The El Al terminal shoot-up... the NC student who mowed down a dozen people with his car... etc... None of these events get presented as terror related further down the line.

It usually gets sold as "mental illness". Even the case of the two guys who got pulled over in SC with the "fireworks" in the trunk. The feds kept saying it wasn't terror related... it took the local cops to tell the whole story.

The feds are sticking to the "peaceful religion hijacked" meme no matter what. I guess they decided the truth presents too many problems, so go with the lie.

The investigation and trial for the Seattle Jewish Federation shootings played up the mental disorder angle.

211 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:12pm

re: #207 Archimedes

I had no idea of the amenities. See the stuff you miss always staying in those chain hotels? Next time I travel I'm booking myself a room in one of those boutique hotels.

212 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:48:49pm

re: #209 Seraphym

So, can we assume this splodey-dope Cyani-dope doesn't get any virgins white grapes?

Yes - he failed in his mission and is not a martyr. Tough Sh*t.

213 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:14pm

Nuclear Weapons Effects Simulator

I set Longitude for -93.1,
Latitude for 44.9441
Yield for 15 KT.

That's my nightmare.

214 Barry the Baptist  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:33pm

re: #191 boiledwombat

Bad blowfish sushi?

215 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:49:45pm

re: #197 Killer Tomato

According to the Ottawa Sun, it was an 'ritzy' hotel.

[...]The mystery deepens in the case of an Ottawa man found dead in an upscale Denver hotel room — a pound of highly toxic sodium cyanide in a jar beside him.

More than a week ago, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, 29, told his Somalian family out of the blue that he was leaving to vacation in Denver.

On Monday, he was found in a fourth-floor room at the ritzy Burnsley Hotel about four blocks from the Colorado state Capitol. He had been dead for several days.

Yesterday in Ottawa, a quiet west end family was struggling to understand what happened.

They said it’s a mystery to them and wondered how the large-framed, quiet, good, smart boy ended up where he did.

U.S. authorities — including Denver Police, the FBI and the Joint Terrorism Task Force — were also trying to unravel the mystery.

Why Dirie had the substance in the first place is unclear and Denver Police are not calling the death a homicide, suicide or even suspicious.

They are conducting a death investigation but have found nothing to suggest foul play.

“It’s an isolated incident,” said Denver Police Det. John White. He said they are still waiting for the coroner’s report to determine how to proceed but emphasized “it’s still a very active investigation.”

White said it’s still too early to say whether Dirie’s death was a suicide. The Denver medical examiner’s office won’t be able to determine whether cyanide killed Dirie or announce a cause of death until toxicology reports are done.[...]

Scary.

216 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:51:55pm

re: #215 NY Nana

According to the Ottawa Sun, it was an 'ritzy' hotel.

Scary.

Honey ... you are a piece of work - TXS.

217 The Other Les  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:52:08pm

Must work in the morning.

Good night.

218 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:52:27pm

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

219 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:06pm

Hey rw! How'd you know I was getting ready to log-off?

How you doin'?

220 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:27pm

re: #200 realwest

"I just think it is disingenuous and would more properly be reported, given the evidence, that terrorist implications were being investigated. I know, splitting hairs. I just resent the standard knee jerk official response to such incidents -"no apparent connection" my ass."
Ah, actually no, it's not splitting hairs. Reporting or rather stating that terrorist implications were being investigated would lead a large part of the public to believe that terroris was involved (which, mind you I'm not saying might not turn out to be the case)whereas the no apparent connection line would keep the public calm.
One of the - if not THE biggest objectives of terrorists is to upset the "normalcy" and feeling of security of a society. Absent any significant evidence that this was terrorist related was probably the smart thing for the FBI to do - if there are terrorist implications here, that news can come out later - well after the FBI has done what it can to uncover any plot(s) of which the alleged terrorist was a part.

I have a real problem with it. The truth to me is vital, and state entities covering it up aren’t something I'm sanguine with. We don't need the state coddling us. That's not their job. Their purpose is to tell us the truth in the process of protecting our rights. Maybe in the short run under some conditions they should hold their cards close to the vest, but ultimately they have the obligation to be 100% honest.

221 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:55:48pm

re: #215 NY Nana

Guess my definition of 'ritzy' and the Ottawa Sun's differ.
"Honey, do you smell something like, oh, I don't know, a several day old corpse in the room next door?"

“It’s an isolated incident,” said Denver Police Det. John White.

LOL - yeah, unless you've got bodies and cyanide cropping up all over town.

222 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:21pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

Attempts? Multiple. Foiled multiple.

Let's hear it for the good guys and gals.

223 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:56:46pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

This did not receive the attention it deserves.

224 Canadian Guy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:19pm

re: #215 NY Nana

More than a week ago, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie, 29, told his Somalian family out of the blue that he was leaving to vacation in Denver.

Okay, this is an important piece of information. We can now rule out this being related to his job as he was on "vacation." So why the cyanide while on vacation? Debunks the theory that maybe he was a traveling cyanide salesman, who travels around with just one pound of cyanide, which is sold by the barrel anyways.

Also, he was not visiting family, according to his familiy. He just randomly chose some American city. Kinda like Charles getting up one day and saying, "You know I'm going for a vacation in Regina, Saskatchewan."

225 Russkilitlover  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:22pm

re: #222 Bobibutu

Attempts? Multiple. Foiled multiple.

Let's hear it for the good guys and gals.

Yes! I believe that we should very much credit our counter-terrorism efforts, even if we have to imagine them and not have the facts to back them up.

226 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:57:38pm

re: #7 famousmortimer78

Apparently maid service at the Burnsley isn't so great, given that a corpse can go undiscovered for SIX DAYS...

Although I've never been there, and it's about 90 miles from me, I think it's more like a transient SRO (bum) hotel, rather than the Hyatt.

227 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:15pm

re: #204 redshirt

Even if they can't get inside the convention, there will be plenty of big crowds outside.

Either way the idiot would have been killing Radical Islam's best supporters. Look at the Siddique bitch. She has her supporters, as does every pig at Gitmo.

228 Clemente  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:58:54pm

re: #203 MacGregor

Hey - I'm Vinnie from ShamWowie.

...

Call now and tell 'em Vinnie sent ya!

Hey Vinnie, I been meanin' to ask, why you wearin' dat goofy head-thingy? You got leaky ears or what? I dunno...

Really hate that ad, almost as much as that obnoxious screamer selling everything from kitchen cleaner to garden tools to supplemental-frikkin'-health insurance.

Maybe more.

/pointless rant

229 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:28pm

re: #226 Bob in Breckenridge

Although I've never been there, and it's about 90 miles from me, I think it's more like a transient SRO (bum) hotel, rather than the Hyatt.

LOL, then again, maybe not...

230 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:33pm

re: #42 ted

The head of the Arkansas Democratic Party shot dead in cold blood today...Cyanide in Denver...etc:

What next ?

Pestilence and frogs.

231 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 9:59:51pm

re: #206 The Shadow Do
"Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem."
NO, that's not what I was saying at all. What I was saying was that unless and until someone can be shown to have connections to other terrorists, he could very well be a lone wolf whacko. We don't KNOW (whether or not the FBI has figured it out yet I don't know; they rarely run their intelligence past me) but unless we do have some evidence that the whacko is indeed connected to terrorists or was concocting a plot to kill a whole lot of people in the name of "allah" or some such, it's sorta irresponsible to say "We're investigating terrorist implications" would: a) unduly alarm the public and b)if it turns out the whacko WAS part of a terrorist conspiracy, because that statement might send the others involved scattering to hide outs or even leaving the country, only to come back again, perhaps better informed and better equipped to carry out acts of terrorism.

232 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:00:10pm

re: #215 NY Nana

According to the Ottawa Sun, it was an 'ritzy' hotel.

Scary.


I'm surprised that hotel room was not checked in several days. Normally in hotels, especially ritzy ones, maids make the beds and clean the rooms every day.

Curiouser and curiouser.

233 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:19pm

re: #225 Russkilitlover

Yes! I believe that we should very much credit our counter-terrorism efforts, even if we have to imagine them and not have the facts to back them up.

Always keep in mind covert vs. overt.

234 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:42pm

re: #220 Archimedes

I have a real problem with it. The truth to me is vital, and state entities covering it up aren’t something I'm sanguine with. We don't need the state coddling us. That's not their job. Their purpose is to tell us the truth in the process of protecting our rights. Maybe in the short run under some conditions they should hold their cards close to the vest, but ultimately they have the obligation to be 100% honest.

In bold above:
aren't = isn't

235 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:01:48pm

re: #216 Bobibutu

Honey ... you are a piece of work - TXS.

ROTFL! This Honey is 70 years old! ;)

And yes, I am a piece of work, thank you!

236 MacGregor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:14pm

re: #228 Clemente

I'm surprised that thing doesn't slide off his greasy head!

237 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:31pm

re: #219 ggt Hey ggt - must be telepathy or something!
I'm actually feeling fairly poorly tonight and have a loooong damn day tomorrow so I'm gonna be turning in soon, as well.
Hope you're doing well!

238 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:02:36pm

re: #215 NY Nana

No way they don't check that room for that long, guests tear the hell out of rooms in one night. Unless he had some agreement with the manager maybe? Who does that that's not up to no good?

239 Killian Bundy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:31pm

Heh.

/and many more will follow

240 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:03:50pm

But it is mainly an LTO hotel- Like "Extended Stay America", where daily maid service is optional,

241 Clemente  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:01pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

Quietly stopping dozens of terrorist attempts at general slaughter, over the last seven years (or more, most likely) is the single greatest kindness done by an infidel government - for an entirely thankless Muslim population, btw - in human history.

242 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:08pm

re: #230 NY Nana

Pestilence and frogs.

Aw crap. I had money on locusts.

243 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:15pm

re: #232 Archimedes

They do unless you have the DND (do not disturb) sign up. But they keep a check-list of such things and after 6 days of no housekeeping service, no room service, no phone calls, I'd think management would be wondering if you skipped-out without paying.

I mean, it wasn't the honeymoon suite. . . .:)

244 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:04:59pm

re: #231 realwest

I dinged-up you for using the appropriate technical term: "whacko".

245 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:06pm

re: #235 NY Nana

ROTFL! This Honey is 70 years old! ;)

And yes, I am a piece of work, thank you!

Hey Baby - I'm 66 - and tryin' to catch up on you. ":^)

246 St. Pancake  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:41pm

Burnsley Hotel Webpage


About $220.00 per night

247 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:49pm

re: #232 Archimedes

I'm surprised that hotel room was not checked in several days. Normally in hotels, especially ritzy ones, maids make the beds and clean the rooms every day.

Curiouser and curiouser.

That is a very good point. I didn't even think of it, and I think that the odor of almonds might be strong enough to arouse someoe's curiosity.

Could he have left a 'Do not disturb' sign on the door knob?

Curious and curiouser, indeed!

248 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:05:58pm

re: #237 realwest

mee toooooo!

sorry you are not feeling well.

weet dreams!

249 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:06:17pm

re: #230 NY Nana

Pestilence and frogs.

NY Nana...The Clintons are from Arkansas, the democrat guy murdered was their friend, and they'll be in Denver in 1 1/2 weeks. Coincidence? I think not!

250 Bobibutu  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:00pm

re: #237 realwest

Hey ggt - must be telepathy or something!
I'm actually feeling fairly poorly tonight and have a loooong damn day tomorrow so I'm gonna be turning in soon, as well.
Hope you're doing well!

Rest well RW ... we haven't connected for a while.

251 The Shadow Do  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:24pm

re: #231 realwest

"Every terrorist is innocent until proven guilty. I get it. I just can't stand it. I know, that is a personal problem."
NO, that's not what I was saying at all. What I was saying was that unless and until someone can be shown to have connections to other terrorists, he could very well be a lone wolf whacko. We don't KNOW (whether or not the FBI has figured it out yet I don't know; they rarely run their intelligence past me) but unless we do have some evidence that the whacko is indeed connected to terrorists or was concocting a plot to kill a whole lot of people in the name of "allah" or some such, it's sorta irresponsible to say "We're investigating terrorist implications" would: a) unduly alarm the public and b)if it turns out the whacko WAS part of a terrorist conspiracy, because that statement might send the others involved scattering to hide outs or even leaving the country, only to come back again, perhaps better informed and better equipped to carry out acts of terrorism.

Okay, I'll redirect. Take the FBI at its word and for good reason as you have detailed. It is now up to the media to discern the truth. Hoo boy.

In short, it is highly unlikely we will ever know what this was all about. Oh well, I'm old and will probably get over it.

252 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:07:55pm

Also we can tell from the hallway if someone's smoking anything in their room and even refrigerated corpses got smell like hell.

253 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:04pm

re: #231 realwest

What I was saying was that unless and until someone can be shown to have connections to other terrorists, he could very well be a lone wolf whacko.


I hear what you are saying. But even if there is no link to a terrorist group, and it is indeed a lone whacko, if his intent was to kill in the name of Allah, it is terrorism. This really does require the feds to read minds, doesn't it?
Now juxtapose that with, say, the killing of a black man by a white, or the killing of a homosexual. We all know that in that case, the investigation begins as a "hate crime" investigation.
In the former case, they can't read the mind of the perpetrator, but in the latter, they seemingly can.
This case should be under the heading of a "possible terrorist crime", the very nature of what was found demands it. To claim otherwise just makes the feds sound foolish.

254 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:08:07pm

re: #238 Rancher

Unless he had some agreement with the manager maybe? Who does that that's not up to no good?

I agree. The only reason I could think of is that he intended to top himself, and did.

255 MacGregor  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:06pm

re: #249 Bob in Breckenridge
This too-
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
A young aide to Senator Jim Webb was found dead along a Virginia highway.

256 Clemente  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:09:35pm

re: #239 Killian Bundy

The bus is high-centered just over that hill, but there's probably another coming along in an hour or so...

257 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:13:41pm

re: #215 NY Nana

Ritzy? So you pay extra for the maid to clean up the decomposed body? lol

258 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:14:12pm

re: #234 Archimedes
I understood you just fine without the correction.
Yes I agree that the government owes us the truth.
HOWEVER, sometimes delaying telling us the truth can assist the government in protecting us from terrorist attacks or to-have-been terrorist attacks.
I frankly see no point in the FBI speculating to the people that there may be terrorist links - if there are terrorist links, tell us so (unless telling us today would screw up your chances to catch other terrorists tomorrow).
If there aren't tell us so, but I'd appreciate you're not GUESSING about it in public, lest the FBI start to become something like the boy who cried "Wolf".
And btw, as far as I'm concerned the FIRST duty of government is to protect the people, which IS sometimes incompatible with telling us the truth.

259 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:14:58pm

re: #255 MacGregor

Disillusion.

260 Colonel Panik  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:06pm

This is going to be my theme song for the next month.

I miss Warren Zevon. He was a moonbat, like so many musicians, but he rocked.

261 twincitiesgirl  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:16:54pm

re: #249 Bob in Breckenridge

Is there any Russian tie to any of these deaths?

262 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:17:07pm

re: #249 Bob in Breckenridge

The Clintons are from Arkansas, the democrat guy murdered was their friend, and they'll be in Denver in 1 1/2 weeks. Coincidence? I think not!

That is quite a coincidence. I actually posted earlier on a thread questioning if it was the Clintoon Mafia.

I expect them to try and totally derail the convention, and destroy Hussein to make Shrill the candidate.

/Imagine a 3 AM phone call to her.

263 hazzyday  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:22pm

Where did he cross the border at?
When and how did he make his reservations?
What is his recent Mosque activity?
What was his social group like in Ottawa?
What is his recent Internet activity?

264 Promethea  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:28pm

re: #218 Russkilitlover

It is inconceivable to me that there have not been any terrorist attempts in the US since 9/11. It is very conceivable to me that we would not be informed, even if there were attempts. Imagine the panic. Everyone wants to be informed but the reactionary response could be worse than the original threat. We WON'T know of these kinds of isolated attack plans. We probably will not know of large scale multi-national attack plans. We are the populace, and the populace can either be a panicked mob or a violent mob.

Just my opinion, of course. But I can see all levels of government keeping any large scale weird plots to wipe out hundreds/thousands under wraps.

There have been many isolated planned attacks reported on various blogs. We tend to forget them because none of them have been successful, so far as we know.

It's probably a good idea for the government to let these attack plans go down the memory hole. A big part of terrorism is making people afraid.

On the other hand, too many voters are moonbats because they don't think that terrorism is a danger to them personally.

So, I'm on the fence regarding whether or not the FBI and other government agencies should report the various planned attacks, the aborted airplane hijackings, and other nefarious deeds by the crazy Muslims lurking out there.

265 Maximu§  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:19:53pm

But why would radical Islam target the Democratic convention? I thought they saw eye-to-eye on alot of issues.

266 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:14pm

re: #243 ggt

They do unless you have the DND (do not disturb) sign up. But they keep a check-list of such things and after 6 days of no housekeeping service, no room service, no phone calls, I'd think management would be wondering if you skipped-out without paying.

I mean, it wasn't the honeymoon suite. . . .:)

Good point. I might have used those a time or two myself.

267 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:20:30pm

re: #257 pat

Ritzy? So you pay extra for the maid to clean up the decomposed body? lol

Shees, Pat, Don't you ever read the fine print? ;)

BTW, any Hussein sightings? And were there any signs of his poor Gran being pushed under the bus....again?

268 Killer Tomato  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:21:22pm

Well, I gotta call it a night.
Maybe tomorrow when I get up Vlad, Iran, the MSM, the ACLU and the Democrat Party will all have seen the error of their ways and repented.
(and fluffy bunnies and unicorns will be cavorting under a rainbow in a field of wildflowers in front of my house)
'night all!

269 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:21:34pm

re: #258 realwest

RW, the government has lost the trust of most Americans on any issue involving Muslims, race crime, the border, energy, the banking industry, etc.
Re the thread, Bush's ROP after the Muslims attacked us and we saw them celebrate through out the world, including WA, NJ, and MI, I think most Americans realize he was lying. We have had these creeps run down students in NC, Jews in SF, open fire on Jews at LAX, try to bomb military bases in multiple states, blow up airports, and plan the death of preschoolers. The FBI is has about as much credibility as the Shamwow Man, but less product.

270 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:29pm

re: #253 redshirt "indeed a lone whacko, if his intent was to kill in the name of Allah, it is terrorism."
Sorry, I just don't define terrorism that way. Lone wolf whackos can - and indeed have - killed for a lot of "reasons" most of them incomprehensible to civilized people. Whether or not he killed or was trying to kill someone in the name of Allah makes him, I'd guess, a Muslim Whacko - not a terrorist (the only exception to this would be if he or she - was trying to kill a whole lot of people with some sort of WMD - and iirc, cyanide has to be mixed with something or other (chemistry was never my strong suit) in a closed environment to kill anyone OR it has to be ingested in significant doses over either a long period of time, or else with a LOT of cyanide sprinkled over hot dogs or whatever and one would expect most people would think it strange that their hot dogs smelled like almonds).

271 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:31pm

re: #267 NY Nana

Lots of sightings. 18 minutes with his typical white granny. But he has been at beach rallies and a fund raiser that I heard cost $23,000 at table. And he eats a lot of french fries. (but no freedom fries ;) )

272 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:24:45pm

re: #263 hazzyday

Where did he cross the border at?
When and how did he make his reservations?
What is his recent Mosque activity?
What was his social group like in Ottawa?
What is his recent Internet activity?

And, last but not least, why in the world did he take along a pound of cyanide instead of his clothes?

273 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:11pm

re: #255 MacGregor

This too-
Wednesday, July 30, 2008
A young aide to Senator Jim Webb was found dead along a Virginia highway.

Kinda like Vince Foster?!?!?

274 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:30pm

OT observation.

I'm amazed by how the arab/moslem countries are dominating these Olympics. My hat's off to these fantastic athletes.

///

275 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:25:36pm

re: #258 realwest

Ok, now I'm confused.

The government's job is to protect:

the people? as in individuals?
the community? as in groups of individuals
the borders? as in land, property?

I am recalling the court decision that law enforcement's job is to serve and protect "communities" and cannot be sued for damages to individuals who call 911 but help doesn't get there in time.

Yes, I think there job is to protect the community and keeping some information "classified" is more than appropriate. Frankly, there are things I dont' want to know, that's why I delegate (in theory) it to the government.

276 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:15pm

re: #274 lummox

OT observation.

I'm amazed by how the arab/moslem countries are dominating these Olympics. My hat's off to these fantastic athletes.

///

heh,heh. Good one.

277 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:26:41pm

re: #257 pat

Ritzy? So you pay extra for the maid to clean up the decomposed body? lol

I saw a show about that exact thing on the Discovery Channel. Kinda like "Service Master" for stiffs.

278 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:35pm

re: #261 twincitiesgirl

Is there any Russian tie to any of these deaths?

The Clintons are commies, if you ax me.
/

279 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:27:57pm

re: #277 Bob in Breckenridge

I think I saw that show. Clean-up is not part of law-enforcement's duties. I think property owner insurance covers it--maybe not.

280 Pawpaw  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:21pm

re: #276 pat

heh,heh. Good one.

Those burkas really slow down their women swimmers.

281 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:30:50pm

re: #270 realwest

Sorry, I just don't define terrorism that way. Lone wolf whackos can - and indeed have - killed for a lot of "reasons" most of them incomprehensible to civilized people.


Remember the unabomber was called a terrorist by everyone, and he was a lone whacko.

not a terrorist (the only exception to this would be if he or she - was trying to kill a whole lot of people with some sort of WMD - and iirc, cyanide has to be mixed with something or other (chemistry was never my strong suit) in a closed environment to kill anyone


I asked that question earlier in the thread, someone better informed said that yes, if mixed with pool acid it would yield a very dangerous gas.
Come on, a pound of cyanide. Do you really think his plan wasn't to kill a lot of people?

282 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:01pm

re: #262 NY Nana

That is quite a coincidence. I actually posted earlier on a thread questioning if it was the Clintoon Mafia.

I expect them to try and totally derail the convention, and destroy Hussein to make Shrill the candidate.

/Imagine a 3 AM phone call to her.

I'd rather take the call than have her wake me up at 3am, if you get my drift. : )

283 Racer X  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:31:03pm

John Edwards is still a scum-sucking douchebag.

Film at eleven. (not)

284 Old_Mick  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:13pm

re: #280 Pawpaw

Those burkas really slow down their women swimmers.

LOL ....I just imagined ladies beach volley ball in burka's

hehe

285 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:32:18pm

re: #271 pat

Lots of sightings. 18 minutes with his typical white granny. But he has been at beach rallies and a fund raiser that I heard cost $23,000 at table. And he eats a lot of french fries. (but no freedom fries ;) )

He is so faux that his 'vacations' are also faux.

/Muslim fries?

286 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:45pm

re: #269 pat Well pat I'd pretty much have to disagree with you there at least as far as terrorisim is concerned. There have been no significant successful terrorist attacks in the US since 9/11. Yes, individual Muslims - like the guy at NC who rode into a groud of students in his SUV - have killed "in the name of Allah" but as I indicated in my #270, that to me is a lone wolf Whacko - like John Wayne Gacy without the in the name of Allah.
And iirc, the last POTUS who did anything significant about our Mexican border was Eisenhower waaaay back in the 50's. As for the banking industry etc. etc. none of it is NEW, its all just wash,rinse and repeat - see, e.g., the banking and Savings and Loan Crisis that happend in the late 80's early 90's. All you're really saying is that American's don't trust their government. I think that's a good thing.
I mean -seriously - when was the last time you personally believed a politician?

287 hazzyday  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:33:55pm

re: #138 Killer Tomato

I don't think we're painting the FBI as the gang that couldn't shoot straight, I think we'd just appreciate it if they'd stop treating us like we're 4 year olds. You don't know - say you don't know.
I'm not saying they should panic the population, but this steady drone beat of 'go back to sleep' isn't exactly helpful, either.

Early on after 9/11 we had alerts didn't we. Some people claimed it was to further worry us, others that it was to make us more vigilant. Is there a need to be more concerned in Denver? Do most cyanide poisoners act alone?

288 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:34:14pm

re: #283 Racer X

John Edwards is still a scum-sucking douchebag.

Film at eleven. (not)

Best yet is "The Silk Phony"

289 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:15pm

re: #274 lummox

OT observation.

I'm amazed by how the arab/moslem countries are dominating these Olympics. My hat's off to these fantastic athletes.

///

You OBVIOUSLY missed the the synchronized stoning and 4 X 100 lashes events. Typical American.

290 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:35:42pm

re: #286 realwest

Two e-mails headed your way, R-Dubs. I'm so prolific this evening. ;)

291 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:01pm

re: #282 Bob in Breckenridge

I'd rather take the call than have her wake me up at 3am, if you get my drift. : )

ROTFL! Is there even one lizard here who would want to hear her(?) voice? You might get a fake Afro-American, or New York, or Southern accent.
With Shrill, you just never know. Seriously, her voice it so strident that it makes me cover my ears and cringe.....a female Fidel.

292 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:02pm

re: #281 redshirt
I always thought he was a whacko, not a terrorist.
He wasn't trying to bring down society or force "regime change" here. He was a killer who managed to foil the best efforts of the Feds and state and local law enforcement for a while.

293 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:36:29pm

re: #258 realwest

I understood you just fine without the correction.
Yes I agree that the government owes us the truth.
HOWEVER, sometimes delaying telling us the truth can assist the government in protecting us from terrorist attacks or to-have-been terrorist attacks.
I frankly see no point in the FBI speculating to the people that there may be terrorist links - if there are terrorist links, tell us so (unless telling us today would screw up your chances to catch other terrorists tomorrow).
If there aren't tell us so, but I'd appreciate you're not GUESSING about it in public, lest the FBI start to become something like the boy who cried "Wolf".

The problem is they said flat out "It has no apparent connection to terrorism." If they didn't want terrorism to be mentioned, then they should just not mention it. If someone asks they could answer "We don't know what intention the individual may have had."


And btw, as far as I'm concerned the FIRST duty of government is to protect the people, which IS sometimes incompatible with telling us the truth.

I agree that their task is to protect people, in so far as it means they are supposed to protect our rights, but this is not incompatible with telling the truth. They should always tell the truth, unless they are trying to mislead a deadly foe. I mean, if they can't tell you everything, then they could say nothing, and in the rarest of cases I think lying would be warranted.

294 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:03pm

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

295 redmirabai  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:38:26pm

It will be interesting to see where that cyanide came from.re: #33 The Rebbitzen

296 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:40:55pm

Oh, oh.

Dr. Cartman will be forced to self-diagnose, I fear.

297 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:41:59pm

re: #291 NY Nana

ROTFL! Is there even one lizard here who would want to hear her(?) voice? You might get a fake Afro-American, or New York, or Southern accent.
With Shrill, you just never know. Seriously, her voice it so strident that it makes me cover my ears and cringe.....a female Fidel.

I grew up 20 minutes from her in the north suburbs of Chicago, but she's always been a Yankees fan. She said so. And she said she was named by her parents after Sir Edmund Hillary, from New Zealand, even though she was born a few years BEFORE he climbed Mt. Everest, when NOBODY in America knew who he was.

Fake accents? Hillary don't need no steenking fake accents!

298 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:04pm

If he'd have activated that cyanide in Market Street Station at the height of rush hour he could have killed a big boatload of people.

In other places, he could have killed even more. We've been lucky.

299 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:43:26pm

re: #294 Cartman

Wife is in pacemakers/cardiology. But she is asleep, beside me.

300 realwest  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:08pm

Anyway all y'all it's been a long and not particularly grand day today and I gotta get to sleep before I pass out on my keyboard.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get to see you down the road.

Oh and btw Redshirt at #281 - I have no fucking idea what this guy was doing with a pound of cyanide; iirc if you mix it with chlorine it can make a gas that will make you sick, but I think you'd need more chlorine than what's found in a swimming pool. Cyanide is just not particularly well adapted to mass murder - lots of other chemicals are. Maybe this guy was a stupid whacko (or terrorist, I'm NOT ruling that out).

Goodnight, all.

301 RTLM  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:11pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

My Mom is a Nurse...

302 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:44:39pm

Dammit! I just wanna know if I can expect to stop breathing here before morning comes, that's all.

303 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:01pm

re: #298 really grumpy big dog Johnson

If he'd have activated that cyanide in Market Street Station at the height of rush hour he could have killed a big boatload of people.

In other places, he could have killed even more. We've been lucky.

Yep, like Coors Field...

304 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:27pm

re: #302 Cartman

Asthma?

305 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:44pm

G'nite, R-Dubs. Check your e-mail.

306 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:45:52pm

Nobody believes that by playing down the terrorism angle the feds are trying to prevent public panic.
The feds are trying not to offend muslims.
That offends me.

307 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:07pm

re: #286 realwest

Believe a politician? lol

308 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:46:09pm

And now for something completely different:

309 redshirt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:16pm

re: #300 realwest

Sleep well RW!

310 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:47:27pm

OK, lets play House. Who want's to play that insufferable prick, Dr. House?

311 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:48pm

re: #310 Cartman

OK, lets play House. Who want's to play that insufferable prick, Dr. House?


I love the show, but what are you getting at?

312 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:48:55pm

re: #297 Bob in Breckenridge

I grew up 20 minutes from her in the north suburbs of Chicago, but she's always been a Yankees fan. She said so. And she said she was named by her parents after Sir Edmund Hillary, from New Zealand, even though she was born a few years BEFORE he climbed Mt. Everest, when NOBODY in America knew who he was.

Fake accents? Hillary don't need no steenking fake accents!

At least she moved away from anywhere near you! Bubba lives in the same county we are in, and Shrill visits for photo ops.

I remember that big, fat lie re Sir Edmund Hillary.

She deserves to now claim to be a damned Yankees fan!

She does have a really steeeeenking accent here! Ear plugs recommended.

313 lori lane  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:29pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

No, but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :)

314 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:51pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

I'm not a doctor, but I played one on TV. With our dimocrat controlled congress, that makes me an expert.
Like Meryl Streep telling the idiot libs the dangers of alar on apples because she played a scientist in a movie, or Julia Roberts testifying to the idiot libs about the dangers of nuclear power because she played Erin Brockovich in a movie.
So.....What's the problem?

/

315 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:49:56pm

re: #299 rawmuse

Wife is in pacemakers/cardiology. But she is asleep, beside me.

Well wake her up, my good man! I need her to play Dr. House!

316 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:04pm

re: #300 realwest

Anyway all y'all it's been a long and not particularly grand day today and I gotta get to sleep before I pass out on my keyboard.
I hope you all have a GREAT EVENING/EARLY MORNING and that I get to see you down the road.

Good night RealWest!

317 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:22pm

re: #306 redshirt

Nobody believes that by playing down the terrorism angle the feds are trying to prevent public panic.
The feds are trying not to offend muslims.
That offends me.

Exactly my point. The Feds including Bush feel Americans are expendable, Saudis are to be protected. Islam is a special case. Can you imagine an Islamic Waco? Of course not. That is why they were flown out of the country right after 9/11. I am not saying those people participated, but there are reports that some were told to stay away from certain areas. The inbred hatred of America is enough reason to be careful of these savages.

318 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:50:52pm

If I recall correctly , Jonestown went down by cyanide = 400 +.

Maybe he was gonna spike the Kool-Aid.

319 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:51:47pm

re: #315 Cartman

Well wake her up, my good man! I need her to play Dr. House!

What's in it for me?

320 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:52:20pm

re: #312 NY Nana

I'll take your word for it. Hearing her cackle is like nails on a chalkboard.

321 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:56:14pm

re: #320 Bob in Breckenridge

I'll take your word for it. Hearing her cackle is like nails on a chalkboard.

She isn't even that good! I'll take the nails on a chalkboard!

Got to go to sleep....I need to put an alarm clock on my computer desk, so help me.

G'nite and sweet dreams, all!

322 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:56:52pm

OK. Here's the triage situation. I think I took a 10mg Zolpidem (Ambien) about an hour ago. But I'm not sure I remember doing that, so I took another about 5 minutes ago. My dilemma is that if I did indeed take them both, am I gonna croak before sunrise? As in failure to aspirate?

And most importantly, if I do croak, who will be gracious enough to write my LGF epitaph?

323 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:57:11pm

re: #317 pat

Exactly my point. The Feds including Bush feel Americans are expendable, Saudis are to be protected. Islam is a special case. Can you imagine an Islamic Waco? Of course not. That is why they were flown out of the country right after 9/11. I am not saying those people participated, but there are reports that some were told to stay away from certain areas. The inbred hatred of America is enough reason to be careful of these savages.

Been reading Daily Kos?

324 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:57:54pm

re: #319 rawmuse

What's in it for me?

You could be a LGF hero!

325 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:58:33pm

re: #322 Cartman

OK. Here's the triage situation. I think I took a 10mg Zolpidem (Ambien) about an hour ago. But I'm not sure I remember doing that, so I took another about 5 minutes ago. My dilemma is that if I did indeed take them both, am I gonna croak before sunrise? As in failure to aspirate?

And most importantly, if I do croak, who will be gracious enough to write my LGF epitaph?

Abien? a sleeping pill? You're survive, dude. You might sleep a little longer but it ain't an OD...

326 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:05pm

Cartman,
Die , no, but you may sleepwalk/ drive/ cook.

327 missykrissy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:24pm

Ummm... is my memory going?

Or is the the second 'non-Amish' to be discovered deceased in a hotel room with toxics?

And was it cyanide the last time too?

(Or am I just suffering from CRS ?)

328 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:41pm

re: #325 Bob in Breckenridge

Abien? a sleeping pill? You're survive, dude. You might sleep a little longer but it ain't an OD...

Now, since I'm a fake doctor, you owe $80 in fake money.

329 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 10:59:49pm

re: #322 Cartman

OK. Here's the triage situation. I think I took a 10mg Zolpidem (Ambien) about an hour ago. But I'm not sure I remember doing that, so I took another about 5 minutes ago. My dilemma is that if I did indeed take them both, am I gonna croak before sunrise? As in failure to aspirate?

And most importantly, if I do croak, who will be gracious enough to write my LGF epitaph?

Have you considered an Assisted Living facility? They keep track of what pills you take there. Kidding aside, drink lots of water and go to bed.

330 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:00:07pm

re: #325 Bob in Breckenridge

Abien? a sleeping pill? You're survive, dude. You might sleep a little longer but it ain't an OD...

But...but...how can you be certain?

331 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:00:43pm

re: #327 missykrissy

Ummm... is my memory going?

Or is the the second 'non-Amish' to be discovered deceased in a hotel room with toxics?

And was it cyanide the last time too?

(Or am I just suffering from CRS ?)

Now that you mention it, krissy, there was the guy in Las Vegas a few months ago...

332 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:01:44pm

Cartman,
Don't operate machinery. This includes computers.

333 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:21pm

re: #329 rawmuse

Have you considered an Assisted Living facility? They keep track of what pills you take there. Kidding aside, drink lots of water and go to bed.

I'm afraid to go to bed! What if I stop breathing, and come face to face with the Silky Ponied Angel of Death?

334 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:02:46pm

re: #330 Cartman

But...but...how can you be certain?

Actually, I was prescribed Ambien, and took too many about a year ago, and was taken to the ER. Oh wait, that was Viagra. Damn those 4 hour erections!

335 IslandLibertarian  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:02pm

re: #322 Cartman

Look HERE

then click: Please see additional important information. Please refer to the full prescribing information.

336 rawmuse  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:03pm

re: #333 Cartman

I'm afraid to go to bed! What if I stop breathing, and come face to face with the Silky Ponied Angel of Death?

Run toward the Light. Or not.

337 yochanan  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:12pm

re: #57 Canadian Guy

What's scarier is the guy and his family most likely live within 1/2 a mile of me.

BLAME CANADA, BLAME CANADAH EH?

338 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:03:33pm

re: #327 missykrissy

Non-Amish --that's good!

LOL

Have to follow rw's lead.

weet dreams all!

339 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:09pm

You all are being of no help. Shame on y'all!

340 lummox  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:13pm

In the distant past I found fighting the effects of sleeping pills led to hilarity.

341 ggt  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:30pm

re: #330 Cartman

just wake-up your sleeping partner and make sure they know you took an extra dose --that way they'll be prepared if you sleep walk or sleep for two days.

Nightall!

342 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:04:51pm

re: #339 Cartman

You all are being of no help. Shame on y'all!

Ya get what ya pay for, dude...

343 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:24pm

Let us be clear, just in case I was too circumspect. I hate Saudi Arabia. The fact that our country thinks it necessary to prop up the misogynistic barbarians who rule these religious zombies , is a disgrace.
(I tried to be polite.)

344 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:06:56pm

re: #341 ggt

just wake-up your sleeping partner and make sure they know you took an extra dose --that way they'll be prepared if you sleep walk or sleep for two days.

Nightall!

ggt- If you're still here- What the hell is a "sleeping partner"?

345 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:02pm

re: #322 Cartman

No. That is really nothing.

346 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:07:16pm

re: #322 Cartman

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

347 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:16pm

Maybe I'll take one more. I'm startin' to get a little buzz on here, if ya noam sayin. ;)

348 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:10:55pm

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

Or just look at this picture and imagine she's with you right now! That'll keep you awake!

349 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:02pm

re: #346 NY Nana

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

At this point, I may ask him for more!

350 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:11:48pm

re: #339 Cartman

You all are being of no help. Shame on y'all!

These days they'd have giant red letter warnings on the outside of the bottle telling you not to take to many .... What does it say on the outside of the bottle?

I seriously doubt there will be any problem at all.

351 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:12:14pm

re: #348 Bob in Breckenridge

Cartman,

I am sure that you will be OK, but to ease your mind, is there a 24-hour pharmacy that you could call, and speak to the Pharmacist?

Or just look at this picture and imagine she's with you right now! That'll keep you awake!

Doctor my eyes!

352 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:13:24pm

re: #350 Archimedes

These days they'd have giant red letter warnings on the outside of the bottle telling you not to take to many .... What does it say on the outside of the bottle?

I seriously doubt there will be any problem at all.

80 Proof

353 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:13:54pm

re: #349 Cartman

At this point, I may ask him for more!

Seriously, do not. I am an RN (retired) and I read the info. Do not take a third tablet, and please, please, just to be safe, call a pharmacy and let them know that you took two.

I will email you some info...in about 3 minutes.

354 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:15:41pm

Wow. I'm startin' to feel a little like when they had me on morhine drip last Fall. Not too shabby!

355 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:16:50pm

Ambien is not a 'buzz' drug. Listen to NYNana, and just fall asleep. That is not a 'buzz'. it is a yawn. Read The Economist. Articles on British politics always work for me.

356 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:17:25pm

re: #353 NY Nana

OK, I'll wait. But if you hear a crashing sound, it's my mellon lauched into the keyboard. hehe

357 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:18:08pm

errr...launched

358 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:18:52pm

re: #354 Cartman

Wow. I'm startin' to feel a little like when they had me on morhine drip last Fall. Not too shabby!

Read my email, and behave yourself, young man! ;)

I am serious. No third Ambien under any circumstances.

/There will be a quiz.

359 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:09pm

re: #354 Cartman

Wow. I'm startin' to feel a little like when they had me on morhine drip last Fall. Not too shabby!

Morphine? That's for kids. Now Demerol...

360 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:19:39pm

re: #355 pat

Ambien is not a 'buzz' drug.

Well, I am here to refute that. Sort of.

361 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:20:10pm

re: #322 Cartman

Two Ambiens won't kill you. I've done it before.

362 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:21:08pm

re: #356 Cartman

OK, I'll wait. But if you hear a crashing sound, it's my mellon lauched into the keyboard. hehe

Well, poetic justice..you have caused me so many Fresca™ spews!

Email me in the AM that you got a good night's sleep, or I will semd Shrillary after you!

363 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:14pm

re: #355 pat

That is not a 'buzz'. it is a yawn. Read The Economist. Articles on British politics always work for me.

ROTFL!

364 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:24pm

re: #362 NY Nana

Well, poetic justice..you have caused me so many Fresca™ spews!

Email me in the AM that you got a good night's sleep, or I will semd Shrillary after you!

They still make Fresca™, NYN?

365 kynna  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:22:36pm

I know this has probably been pointed out, but wouldn't any attack using cyanide be categorized 'terrorism'? I mean, even if he was going after rival gang members.

I guess there's probably some use for this amount of cyanide, but I have a sneaking suspicion that he's not in that particular line of work.

This is all very disturbing and I agree with above posters who predict it will go down the memory hole. Unlike the scintillating saga of Larry Craig or whatever other stupidity our media sees fit to focus on.

366 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:05pm

re: #361 eastvillageinfidel

I've done it before.

I would seriously suggest that you not do it again.

367 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:16pm

Ambien? WNAT?

368 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:23:49pm

OK, I guess I'm safe. I won't do a third one, but I would like to meet God, face-to-face. Well, I guess that'll happen in it's own good time, eh?

369 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:24:00pm

PIMF! TMAT.

370 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:24:04pm

re: #364 Bob in Breckenridge

They still make Fresca™, NYN?

In the metro NY, NJ, and CT area, yes.

371 eastvillageinfidel  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:25:42pm

re: #366 NY Nana

I won't. :)

372 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:04pm

WNAT- Wednesday Night Ambien Thread.
TMAT- Thursday Morning Ambien Thread.

Ambueno Abien?

373 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:26:14pm

re: #368 Cartman

but I would like to meet God, face-to-face. Well, I guess that'll happen in it's own good time, eh?

It will happen many,many, many, many years from now. And you will go in the right direction!

G'nite, all. Please make sure Cartman behaves!

374 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:04pm

re: #371 eastvillageinfidel

I won't. :)

OK, now that I have it in writing, I can go to sleep!

375 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:06pm

re: #370 NY Nana

In the metro NY, NJ, and CT area, yes.

I loved Fresca when I was a kid- it was like 7-up with grapefruit juice, and the best part was my brothers HATED it! I wish they sold it in Colorado, I occasionally get tired of Diet Dr. Pepper.

376 missykrissy  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:16pm

re: #331 Bob in Breckenridge

Now that you mention it, krissy, there was the guy in Las Vegas a few months ago...

<
So what is with these guys?
I mean - I could understand the poison ( although that is one hell of a clumsy way to cause chaos - but maybe explosives are too hard to get and place these days ) but what is with all the 'work accidents'?

And if they are just offing themselves?
Who needs that much?

It's almost like someone is 'doing unto others' - but ... anyone that good would have better cleanup.

So?

Strange.

377 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:27:57pm

re: #370 NY Nana

In the metro NY, NJ, and CT area, yes.

Remember Green River?

378 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:28:13pm

Night Nana.

379 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:28:14pm

G'nite, Nana. Thanks for your nursely advice, my dear!

380 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:27pm

re: #375 Bob in Breckenridge

I loved Fresca when I was a kid- it was like 7-up with grapefruit juice, and the best part was my brothers HATED it! I wish they sold it in Colorado, I occasionally get tired of Diet Dr. Pepper.

I bought some diet chocolate-cherry Dr. Pepper today. Haven't tried it yet.

381 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:29:56pm

re: #375 Bob in Breckenridge

I loved Fresca when I was a kid- it was like 7-up with grapefruit juice, and the best part was my brothers HATED it! I wish they sold it in Colorado, I occasionally get tired of Diet Dr. Pepper.

I like it the most of any pop. Sorry they don't have it there. NY Grampa loves Hines Root beer, but it is not sold in this area...and he is a Dr. Pepper fan, also.

382 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:30:06pm

We got Fresca in New Mexico. But don't come live here. Visit, we love having you. Then you go home.

383 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:30:46pm

Just another isolated incident...
1 nutjob down, ___ to go.

384 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:12pm

re: #376 missykrissy

So?

Strange.

/I can only quote Jim Morrison-

People are strange
When you're a stranger
Faces look ugly
When you're alone.
Women seem wicked
When you're unwanted
Streets are uneven
When you're down.

When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name
When you're strange
When you're strange
When you're strange.

When you're a stranger
Faces look ugly
When you're alone.
Women seem wicked
When you're unwanted
Streets are uneven
When you're down.

When you're strange
Faces come out of the rain
When you're strange
No one remembers your name (X3)
When you're strange
When you're strange
When you're strange.

385 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:34pm

BTW do you know what happens when you mix Ambien and Dr Pepper?

386 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:35pm

re: #377 Bob in Breckenridge

Remember Green River?

No, but if you hum a few bars of Moon River...

Will look it up in the AM..2:30 here!

387 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:31:56pm

re: #382 Rancher

We got Fresca in New Mexico. But don't come live here. Visit, we love having you. Then you go home.

ROFLMAO!

388 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:02pm

Shhhhh! Is Nana gone?

*where's that damned 3rd Ambien? I had it here a second ago!*

389 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:32:36pm

re: #378 Rancher

Sweet dreams!

390 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:10pm

re: #385 Rancher

BTW do you know what happens when you mix Ambien and Dr Pepper?

You call yourself for medical advice.

391 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:29pm

re: #387 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, you know.

392 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:38pm

oooops

393 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:33:56pm

re: #380 Archimedes

I bought some diet chocolate-cherry Dr. Pepper today. Haven't tried it yet.

Never tried that, but it sounds gross.

394 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:34:26pm

re: #379 Cartman

G'nite, Cartman...for you? No problem. Just be well, or I will get you! ;)

395 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:07pm

re: #381 NY Nana

I like it the most of any pop. Sorry they don't have it there. NY Grampa loves Hines Root beer, but it is not sold in this area...and he is a Dr. Pepper fan, also.

Isn't there Dad's or A&W root beer sold there?

396 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:35:31pm

re: #388 Cartman

Shhhhh! Is Nana gone?

*where's that damned 3rd Ambien? I had it here a second ago!*


*cough* *cough* Ahem....you are grounded, young man!

397 Cartman  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:24pm

Well, the Ambinator is signing off.

G'nite and weet dreams to (almost) all Lizards.

398 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:36:46pm

re: #395 Bob in Breckenridge

Isn't there Dad's or A&W root beer sold there?

Yes, but anyone from Brooklyn, like NY Grampa loves Hires. I am from Boston and also adore it.

399 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:09pm

re: #397 Cartman

ZZZZZZZZZZZZ.....

400 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:37:24pm

re: #393 Bob in Breckenridge

Never tried that, but it sounds gross.

It could be, but I'm willing to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. We'll see.

401 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:38:21pm

re: #381 NY Nana

I like it the most of any pop. Sorry they don't have it there. NY Grampa loves Hines Root beer, but it is not sold in this area...and he is a Dr. Pepper fan, also.

We have an A&W here, in Frisco (Frisco, Colorado, not San Francisco, CA), and they make their root beer fresh. It's really good, but i t has way too much sugar in it for me.

402 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:39:00pm

re: #400 Archimedes

It could be, but I'm willing to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. We'll see.

Good luck!

403 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:01pm

re: #401 Bob in Breckenridge

We have an A&W here, in Frisco (Frisco, Colorado, not San Francisco, CA), and they make their root beer fresh. It's really good, but i t has way too much sugar in it for me.

I mean I've always drank diet soda, since my Navy daze.

404 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:08pm

re: #381 NY Nana

Man we got Hines too. What is it with you people? Truckers don't mind CO, not like they hate NY and CA. I know, did it for a year. It's not like distributors don't want more business. Why can't you get this stuff?

405 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:19pm

#393 Bob in Breckenridge

Never tried that, but it sounds gross.

#400 Archimedes

It could be, but I'm willing to be pleasantly or unpleasantly surprised. We'll see.

Without scrolling back to see what this discussion is about, I assume you're talking about one of my photo essays.

406 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:40:35pm

re: #390 Bob in Breckenridge

Wise guy!

You have the funniest avatar...how am I supposed to get to sleep when I am laughing so hard?

Try number 7...off to sleep, hi, ho, hi,ho. It's off to sleep I try to go, LOL all the way!

407 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:41:11pm

Ah -- soda.

Carry on!

408 NY Nana  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:42:02pm

re: #404 Rancher

Man we got Hines too. What is it with you people? Truckers don't mind CO, not like they hate NY and CA. I know, did it for a year. It's not like distributors don't want more business. Why can't you get this stuff?

They love hate NY!

409 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:43:07pm

re: #294 Cartman

Anybody currently on LGF who's in a medically-related field?

whatcha need, if'n it isn't already dealt with?

410 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:44:19pm

PIMF. Hires.

411 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:27pm

re: #353 NY Nana

Seriously, do not. I am an RN (retired) and I read the info. Do not take a third tablet, and please, please, just to be safe, call a pharmacy and let them know that you took two.

I will email you some info...in about 3 minutes.

what she said..... WTF were you thinking?

412 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:45:53pm

I don't drink soda. I drink milk tho.

413 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:27pm

re: #406 NY Nana

Wise guy!

You have the funniest avatar...how am I supposed to get to sleep when I am laughing so hard?

Try number 7...off to sleep, hi, ho, hi,ho. It's off to sleep I try to go, LOL all the way!

I "borrowed" that from buddy Denny's blog... It's a must read, but the language can get kinda nasty, but not very often.

414 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:46:34pm

re: #405 zombie

#393 Bob in Breckenridge

Without scrolling back to see what this discussion is about, I assume you're talking about one of my photo essays.

lol ... could have been. :)

This is great, a funny video on the hypocrisy of Al Gore fans ...

415 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:35pm

re: #388 Cartman

Shhhhh! Is Nana gone?

*where's that damned 3rd Ambien? I had it here a second ago!*

i flushed it down the toilet.... along with the rest of the bottle.

from now on, stick to Benadryl.

416 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:48pm

I've learned the secret to what distinguishes the "OK" sodas from the "outstanding" sodas:

The best ones ALWAYS uses real cane sugar as a sweetener, as opposed to corn syrup. Unfortunately, 90%-95% of the soda in the US uses corn syrup. I think Coca-Cola (which uses corn syrup in its US bottling plants) uses real sugar when bottled in certain countries where sugar is cheaper, and traveling Americans often notice that Coke seems to taste better in tropical countries. It's not just a subjective opinion because you're on vacation -- it really does taste better there.

I forget the names of the (mostly small-time) brands that consistently use cane sugar, but look for them -- you will be surprised.

(There is a biochemical reason why cane sugar tastes better than corn syrup, but I won't go into that here.)

417 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:47:53pm

Wow, just noticed I'm 11 posts away from 5K!

418 pat  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:49:35pm

re: #416 zombie

There is truth to your sugar comment. Not only does the sugar taste a bit less chemical, but the soda body is different. Thinner?

419 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:44pm

re: #417 Bob in Breckenridge

Wow, just noticed I'm 11 posts away from 5K!

There should be a giant aware ceremony when you reach the magic 5K barrier.


420 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:50:53pm

re: #408 NY Nana

NY I understand, but why CO? And why did it take Coors forever to sell east of the Mississippi? Colorado's a bit weird, and this coming from a New Mexican that has Santa Fe, which is close ideologically to 'Cisco...

421 zombie  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:51:17pm

re: #418 pat

There is truth to your sugar comment. Not only does the sugar taste a bit less chemical, but the soda body is different. Thinner?

Less cloying.

422 Capitalist Tool  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:52:01pm

re: #421 zombie

Less cloying.

ad copy.

423 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:52:07pm

re: #416 zombie

I've learned the secret to what distinguishes the "OK" sodas from the "outstanding" sodas:

The best ones ALWAYS uses real cane sugar as a sweetener, as opposed to corn syrup. Unfortunately, 90%-95% of the soda in the US uses corn syrup. I think Coca-Cola (which uses corn syrup in its US bottling plants) uses real sugar when bottled in certain countries where sugar is cheaper, and traveling Americans often notice that Coke seems to taste better in tropical countries. It's not just a subjective opinion because you're on vacation -- it really does taste better there.

I forget the names of the (mostly small-time) brands that consistently use cane sugar, but look for them -- you will be surprised.

(There is a biochemical reason why cane sugar tastes better than corn syrup, but I won't go into that here.)

cane sugar also makes better jam/jelly better than beet sugar or corn syrup. i also believe it bakes better, etc. suffice to say there may be 3 or 4 different kinds of sugar in my house, but they're all cane.

(powdered sugar doesn't count, btw. %-)

424 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:00pm

re: #414 Archimedes

lol ... could have been. :)

This is great, a funny video on the hypocrisy of Al Gore fans ...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

That was great! I even saved it to my favorites. The hypocrisy of the libs is really astounding. We had a thread about that event here at LGF when i9t happened, about 3 months ago.

425 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:02pm

re: #420 Rancher

NY I understand, but why CO? And why did it take Coors forever to sell east of the Mississippi? Colorado's a bit weird, and this coming from a New Mexican that has Santa Fe, which is close ideologically to 'Cisco...

because they (at least they used to) insist that it be transported cold, all the way to the shelf, and IIRC, there was a production volume issue.

/haven't had a Coors since AIT, IIRC.....

(nor a Stroh's, come to think of it. %-)

426 Rancher  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:38pm

re: #416 zombie

Oh yes, I'm not making this up, we got Mexican glass bottles of Coke that taste like Coke used to taste. Come visit, then go home.

427 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:54:53pm

re: #419 Archimedes

There should be a giant aware ceremony when you reach the magic 5K barrier.


[Link: www.youtube.com...]

LOL!

428 Archimedes  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:55:22pm

re: #423 redc1c4

cane sugar also makes better jam/jelly better than beet sugar or corn syrup. i also believe it bakes better, etc. suffice to say there may be 3 or 4 different kinds of sugar in my house, but they're all cane.

(powdered sugar doesn't count, btw. %-)


I can think of three kinds of sugar off hand: your typical granular sugar, powdered sugar and brown sugar. How many kinds are there?

As a rule, I'm using Splenda now and have cut sugar almost completely out of my diet. I feel much healthier for it.

429 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:56:55pm

re: #416 zombie

zombie, ever hear anything else about "lawrence weller"? I still check the emails, but haven't even got any spam.

430 Abu Al-Poopypants  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:58:26pm

re: #416 zombie

The kosher Coke uses sugar, and it's widely available (at least here in the northeast) around Passover time. I drink Diet (Coke|Pepsi) but I usually buy a few 2 liter Passover Cokes whenever that time of year rolls around just to relive the taste of soda from back when I was a kid.

431 Bob in Breckenridge  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:58:28pm

re: #420 Rancher

NY I understand, but why CO? And why did it take Coors forever to sell east of the Mississippi? Colorado's a bit weird, and this coming from a New Mexican that has Santa Fe, which is close ideologically to 'Cisco...

Rancher- Because Coors used to only ship it's beer cold, so its distribution was very limited.

432 redc1c4  Wed, Aug 13, 2008 11:59:30pm

re: #426 Rancher

Oh yes, I'm not making this up, we got Mexican glass bottles of Coke that taste like Coke used to taste. Come visit, then go home.

have those here in LA.... the local distributors were going to sue, then thought better of it.

why not just make a premium real sugar Coke in a special bottle, say 16oz glass like the ones from Mexico, and charge more for it?

/idiots

433 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:00:06am

re: #424 Bob in Breckenridge

That was great! I even saved it to my favorites. The hypocrisy of the libs is really astounding. We had a thread about that event here at LGF when i9t happened, about 3 months ago.

Yeah, and notice how one of them was pushing for as high prices for gasoline as possible! The motivation for that could be concern of AGW, which is so much rubbish, and/or it could be concern over running out of gas, which is also rubbish.

434 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:00:29am

re: #430 Abu Al-Poopypants

The kosher Coke uses sugar, and it's widely available (at least here in the northeast) around Passover time. I drink Diet (Coke|Pepsi) but I usually buy a few 2 liter Passover Cokes whenever that time of year rolls around just to relive the taste of soda from back when I was a kid.

You can get Coca-Cola made with cane sugar at Mexican grocery stores that import it from Mexico, FYI...And it's still sold in 16 ounce glass bottles!

435 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:02:56am

re: #416 zombie

I forget the names of the (mostly small-time) brands that consistently use cane sugar, but look for them -- you will be surprised.

(There is a biochemical reason why cane sugar tastes better than corn syrup, but I won't go into that here.)

Boylan's, based in New Jersey, is one that uses cane sugar. I've been able to get it here in the Bay Area at Trader Joe's and a local independent grocery on the Peninsula. I think Jones (Seattle based) does also, but not entirely sure about them.

I was able to get Mexican Coke for awhile down in Half Moon Bay, but haven't seen it lately, alas, although surely it is around.

All of these in glass bottles.

Seeing "pop" reminds me of how, when I was a kid in Iowa, it was always "pop." When we moved to Arkansas for awhile, it was "soda" there. Or even, sometimes, "Coke" -- e.g. "what flavor of Coke will you have?" California seems to be a "soda" place.

436 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:04:44am

re: #428 Archimedes

I can think of three kinds of sugar off hand: your typical granular sugar, powdered sugar and brown sugar. How many kinds are there?

As a rule, I'm using Splenda now and have cut sugar almost completely out of my diet. I feel much healthier for it.

various shades of brown, turbindo, demerara are available @ my house and since you asked.......

their dark molasses sugar is the best.

437 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:06:28am

re: #433 Archimedes

Yeah, and notice how one of them was pushing for as high prices for gasoline as possible! The motivation for that could be concern of AGW, which is so much rubbish, and/or it could be concern over running out of gas, which is also rubbish.

Of course, the NERD who wanted high gas prices probably lives with mom and dad, and never considered that $8 a gallon gas would cause food prices, not to mention everything else that's tranported by truck, to go through the roof.
And it punish the poorest Americans the most. This is why liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid.

438 zombie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:07:43am

The key is that corn syrup, and most other natural sweeteners are monosaccharides. But cane sugar is a disaccharide, which is much much rarer in nature. In fact, there is only one adult plant on earth that naturally produces disaccharides: the sugar cane plant. Almost all other plants produce fructose, glucose, etc., which are all monosaccharides. The only other natural source of disaccharides are lactose (from mother's milk) and maltose (which takes human intervention to obtain: one has to soak barley until it just sprouts, then immediately roast the sprout -- the maltose is there very briefly as a food for the baby barley plant -- mother's milk for barley newborns, essentially.)

Maltose also has a totally superior taste than any monosaccharide -- as anybody who's had an old-fashion malted milk can tell you.

Not only are disaccharides superior in that they have a "double-whammy" of sweetness (being two monosaccharides stuck together), but they also have a "cleaner" taste that is less lugubrious and after-tastey. It is also my theory that, since most humans historically only experienced disaccharides while nursing, when we taste them as adults it brings back happy and contented subconscious memories of infanthood, nursing, and being unconditionally loved.

439 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:08:55am

re: #437 Bob in Breckenridge

Of course, the NERD who wanted high gas prices probably lives with mom and dad, and never considered that $8 a gallon gas would cause food prices, not to mention everything else that's tranported by truck, to go through the roof.
And it WOULD punish the poorest Americans the most. This is why liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid.

/PIMF

440 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:08:57am

re: #436 redc1c4

various shades of brown, turbindo, demerara are available @ my house and since you asked.......

their dark molasses sugar is the best.

Thanks for the info. Molasses is tasty. As I recall it's often used in making fruit cake. :)

There are other non-sucrose sugars also, e.g. things like maltose, lactose, fructose, glucose, etc. At the end of the day our bodies have to convert all carbohydrates we eat into glucose, which is the fuel our cells burn.

441 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:09:40am

Lately I've been getting some of the juice/sparkling water blends. Some of them are nice, although there are some flavors that aren't so much -- there is one lemon-flavored one that makes me think too much of lemon-scented dishwashing soap.

442 zombie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:10:12am

re: #429 Bob in Breckenridge

zombie, ever hear anything else about "lawrence weller"? I still check the emails, but haven't even got any spam.

Nope. Never did. C'est la vie. At least we tried.

443 zombie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:11:36am

re: #430 Abu Al-Poopypants

The kosher Coke uses sugar, and it's widely available (at least here in the northeast) around Passover time. I drink Diet (Coke|Pepsi) but I usually buy a few 2 liter Passover Cokes whenever that time of year rolls around just to relive the taste of soda from back when I was a kid.

Wow, that's an interesting fact. I didn't even know they had Passover Coke! Nor that it uses the old recipe. Fascinating.

444 pat  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:13:12am

Which likely explains why I gave up soda for milk. Plus sugar cane is in my blood. Father was a sugar planter. ;)

445 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:13:28am

re: #438 zombie

The key is that corn syrup, and most other natural sweeteners are monosaccharides. But cane sugar is a disaccharide, which is much much rarer in nature. In fact, there is only one adult plant on earth that naturally produces disaccharides: the sugar cane plant. Almost all other plants produce fructose, glucose, etc., which are all monosaccharides. The only other natural source of disaccharides are lactose (from mother's milk) and maltose (which takes human intervention to obtain: one has to soak barley until it just sprouts, then immediately roast the sprout -- the maltose is there very briefly as a food for the baby barley plant -- mother's milk for barley newborns, essentially.)

Maltose also has a totally superior taste than any monosaccharide -- as anybody who's had an old-fashion malted milk can tell you.

Not only are disaccharides superior in that they have a "double-whammy" of sweetness (being two monosaccharides stuck together), but they also have a "cleaner" taste that is less lugubrious and after-tastey. It is also my theory that, since most humans historically only experienced disaccharides while nursing, when we taste them as adults it brings back happy and contented subconscious memories of infanthood, nursing, and being unconditionally loved.

zombie- Didn't I see them all of those "charrides" dudes in "Clash Of The Titans"?

446 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:13:50am

Whole Foods cheapo house brand sodas use cane sugar and are actually pretty good.

447 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:13:55am

re: #438 zombie

(snipage occurs) It is also my theory that, since most humans historically only experienced disaccharides while nursing, when we taste them as adults it brings back happy and contented subconscious memories of infanthood, nursing, and being unconditionally loved.

you obviously didn't have *my* childhood.

/ (still survived it though. %-)

448 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:14:13am

re: #437 Bob in Breckenridge

Of course, the NERD who wanted high gas prices probably lives with mom and dad, and never considered that $8 a gallon gas would cause food prices, not to mention everything else that's tranported by truck, to go through the roof.
And it punish the poorest Americans the most. This is why liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid.

Stupid or evil. ... I think it's worse than liberalism. Postmodernism is a rung below liberalism. Environmentalism is just a man hating movement. That's the motivation, although most rank and file environmentalists aren't aware of this.

449 zombie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:14:28am

re: #435 wannabuyaduck

Boylan's, based in New Jersey, is one that uses cane sugar. I've been able to get it here in the Bay Area at Trader Joe's and a local independent grocery on the Peninsula. I think Jones (Seattle based) does also, but not entirely sure about them.

Yeah, that's right, Jones Soda -- they're one of the brands that use cane sugar. Quite good -- outstanding root beer, though it's not as famous as the others.

450 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:16:10am

re: #446 itellu3times

Whole Foods cheapo house brand sodas use cane sugar and are actually pretty good.

Do they have an arugula flavored one?

451 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:16:48am

re: #440 Archimedes

Thanks for the info. Molasses is tasty. As I recall it's often used in making fruit cake. :)

There are other non-sucrose sugars also, e.g. things like maltose, lactose, fructose, glucose, etc. At the end of the day our bodies have to convert all carbohydrates we eat into glucose, which is the fuel our cells burn.

mole butts is part of my Sooper Sekrit BBQ sauce recipe too.

Manitol is a sugar too, used in the medical field as an IV. it's also used on the street to cut coke, etc. you can tell if your shit is cut with it cause you get the shits from ingesting it......

452 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:17:25am

re: #425 redc1c4

because they (at least they used to) insist that it be transported cold, all the way to the shelf, and IIRC, there was a production volume issue.

/haven't had a Coors since AIT, IIRC.....

(nor a Stroh's, come to think of it. %-)

AIT used to be SOI yes? Never heard of Strohs till I went to Purdue, loved it. I could take a $#!+ load of Coors back to Indiana and get 10 loads of Strohs in return. Unrefrigerated, sorry Maloofs.
From Wikipedia:

Carl Yastrzemski was such a big Coors fan that when he loaded up the team plane with multiple cases of Coors for the return trip to the East Coast, some of his teammates jokingly wondered if the plane would be able to successfully take off.[1] The company finally established nationwide distribution in the U.S. in the early 1990s.
453 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:17:53am

re: #449 zombie

Yeah, that's right, Jones Soda -- they're one of the brands that use cane sugar. Quite good -- outstanding root beer, though it's not as famous as the others.

The two kinds of root beer I love are IBC and A&W. IBC out of a glass bottle, and icy cold, and A&W out of a mug. Throw in some onion rings, and I'm good to go!

454 Archimedes  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:19:26am

I'm up waaaay tooo late. I'm going to hit the hay. Night all.

455 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:20:21am

re: #432 redc1c4

Call it "New Coke"? Classic has been taken.

456 neocon hippie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:22:56am

My favorite root beer is Thomas Kemper, which uses cane sugar. Not sure if it's available outside of the West Coast.

457 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:24:22am

re: #452 Rancher

if, by SOI, you mean "School of Infantry", that would be the jarhead equivalent of my AIT @ Benning. Advanced Individual Training is where the Army teaches you the basics of your MOS after you gt through Basic, or whatever they're calling it these days. i was actually OSUT, or One Station Unit Training, which meant i did both Basic & AIT in one place. the reality of that though was to make the entire time "Basic".

/glad to leave there. Ft Sam was a joke after that.

458 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:24:42am

re: #443 zombie

OK, Passover Coke we don't got. (But still the Mexican Coke is just as good!)

/I sound like a drug dealer :(

459 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:25:20am

re: #455 Rancher

Call it "New Coke"? Classic has been taken.

"Real Coke", maybe? or how about "Original Coke"?

460 zombie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:26:17am

re: #456 neocon hippie

My favorite root beer is Thomas Kemper, which uses cane sugar. Not sure if it's available outside of the West Coast.

Thomas Kemper is totally excellent. Agreed.

461 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:26:31am

re: #453 Archimedes

The two kinds of root beer I love are IBC and A&W. IBC out of a glass bottle, and icy cold, and A&W out of a mug. Throw in some onion rings, and I'm good to go!

i 'member A&W at the stand as a kid, with the mug so cold the root beer froze to the glass......

/back when i had a future. %-P

462 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:27:16am

re: #454 Archimedes

Nite.

463 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:28:09am

re: #448 Archimedes

Stupid or evil. ... I think it's worse than liberalism. Postmodernism is a rung below liberalism. Environmentalism is just a man hating movement. That's the motivation, although most rank and file environmentalists aren't aware of this.

Most rank and file "environmentalists" are too ignorant to understand what it all means. They think it's saving the Earth...Like we humans could EVER destroy it.

The Earth was here long before us, for over 4 billion years, long before the first homo sapiens appeared about 250,000 years ago, and it will be long after we're nothing more than a footnote in history.

464 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:30:02am

re: #453 Archimedes

The two kinds of root beer I love are IBC and A&W. IBC out of a glass bottle, and icy cold, and A&W out of a mug. Throw in some onion rings, and I'm good to go!

I was telling NY Nana earlier that we have an A&W here that still makes there root beer.

465 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:31:09am

OT -

What is the correct pronunciation of Ossetia?

(I've been saying: "oh-SEH-sha")

466 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:32:14am

if you're an LA lizard, there's always this place.

Huel Hauser has covered it on his "California's Gold" show.....

link may be funky, or my PC/ISP may be crap.

(i couldn't get past the intro, but the store is k3w1 beyond words. %-)

467 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:32:41am

I heard oh-say-sha

468 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:33:21am

re: #463 Bob in Breckenridge

Most rank and file "environmentalists" are too ignorant to understand what it all means. They think it's saving the Earth...Like we humans could EVER destroy it.

The Earth was here long before us, for over 4 billion years, long before the first homo sapiens appeared about 250,000 years ago, and it will be long after we're nothing more than a footnote in history.

LIAR! it's only been here about 6000 years!

/gotta be true: i read it on the interwebs...... %-)

469 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:33:44am

I need inflection.

470 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:34:01am

re: #465 RTLM

OT -

What is the correct pronunciation of Ossetia?

(I've been saying: "oh-SEH-sha")

"trouble"

471 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:34:44am

re: #469 RTLM

I need inflection.

normally, a fire command will require deflection..... are you using open sights?

472 zombie  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:35:31am

Coke took the cocaine out of the recipe sometime after the turn of the century (the previous century, that is -- around 1903-ish I think). Before that it had real cocaine in it and was actually physically addictive. I think there is some sort of ancestral cultural memory of that, and people still flock to Coke simply because of our "hive-memory" that it gets you high.

I think Coca-Cola is still the world's largest buyer of coca plant leaves (from which cocaine comes). But now they extract the cocaine (and probably resell it to pharmaceutical companies) and only use the remaining alkaloids, which don't get you high but might have a similar molecular "feel" to them in the human body.

(Personally, I can't drink Coke because I have caffeine sensitivity -- haven't had a sip of it since I was about 8 years old, when I almost went into convulsions from the caffeine in just one bottle.)

473 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:36:35am

re: #457 redc1c4

I went to Jarhead ITS, (OH RAH!), at Pendleton, then they changed it to SOI, which I bet cost alot and for what?

474 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:36:39am

Its funny/strange - I thought this blow up was going to happen around Kosovo a couple months back.

Guess it was a test run.

475 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:38:03am

Yeah, but that 7th day of "rest", after 6 days of creating, was actually 4,999,999,004.359 years. I think my math is correct. Or close anyway. Whatever, I know it wasn't 6 days.

476 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:39:17am

re: #473 Rancher

I went to Jarhead ITS, (OH RAH!), at Pendleton, then they changed it to SOI, which I bet cost alot and for what?

Signal Operation Instructions = SOI, but i believe they changed that again too.

REMFS need to keep busy. %-)

477 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:39:47am

re: #475 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, but that 7th day of "rest", after 6 days of creating, was actually 4,999,999,004.359 years. I think my math is correct. Or close anyway. Whatever, I know it wasn't 6 days.

heretic!

478 hazzyday  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:40:34am

re: #464 Bob in Breckenridge

I was telling NY Nana earlier that we have an A&W here that still makes there root beer.

I used to get Root Beer in a mug for a nickel at the local drugstore. 20 cents and I was hyper.

479 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:41:19am

re: #463 Bob in Breckenridge

What's the ratio of oil naturally leaking into the oceans, which drilling would lessen, versus man controlled oil leaking?

480 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:41:24am

re: #472 zombie

Coke took the cocaine out of the recipe sometime after the turn of the century (the previous century, that is -- around 1903-ish I think). Before that it had real cocaine in it and was actually physically addictive. I think there is some sort of ancestral cultural memory of that, and people still flock to Coke simply because of our "hive-memory" that it gets you high.

I think Coca-Cola is still the world's largest buyer of coca plant leaves (from which cocaine comes). But now they extract the cocaine (and probably resell it to pharmaceutical companies) and only use the remaining alkaloids, which don't get you high but might have a similar molecular "feel" to them in the human body.

(Personally, I can't drink Coke because I have caffeine sensitivity -- haven't had a sip of it since I was about 8 years old, when I almost went into convulsions from the caffeine in just one bottle.)

they make a caffeine free one now.... gold can, IIRC.

you were born to be a Bay Area resident, weren't you? %-)

481 Nightwatch  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:42:42am

Did not even read the last ....what 300+ posts, not carrying.. BAD JU-JU , BAD JU-JU, Russia turns our collective heads away from what is REALLY gonna kill us. IT AIN'T the putin....get a grip!

482 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:43:37am

re: #479 Rancher

What's the ratio of oil naturally leaking into the oceans, which drilling would lessen, versus man controlled oil leaking?

get it through your head: oil is inherently bad. if they had their way, we'd have to declare all oil fields "Superfund" sites, extract the oil, render it harmless, then dispose of it in a certified Hazmat site......

483 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:43:41am

re: #472 zombie

(Personally, I can't drink Coke because I have caffeine sensitivity -- haven't had a sip of it since I was about 8 years old, when I almost went into convulsions from the caffeine in just one bottle.)

Wow, and such an intrest. Sorry dude.

484 kuffar  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:44:05am

re: #475 Bob in Breckenridge

Lesson 1: God is inefficient for an omnipotent being, or else takes lots of breaks or chooses to be inefficient. I am a union member and that describes most union members I know.

Lesson 2: God could still, theoretically, be asleep... Which reminds me.

485 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:44:44am

re: #481 Nightwatch

Did not even read the last ....what 300+ posts, not carrying.. BAD JU-JU , BAD JU-JU, Russia turns our collective heads away from what is REALLY gonna kill us. IT AIN'T the putin....get a grip!

What is really gonna kill us?

486 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:45:03am

re: #481 Nightwatch

Did not even read the last ....what 300+ posts, not carrying.. BAD JU-JU , BAD JU-JU, Russia turns our collective heads away from what is REALLY gonna kill us. IT AIN'T the putin....get a grip!

WTF? you are coming in broken........

please reset your operator headspace & timing, relocate your transmitter and try again.

/NCS

487 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:46:59am

Kemper is another good one. It and Jones are more recent converts to cane sugar (in the last year or two). Boylan apparently resisted the corn syrup temptation all along, from what I can gather.

488 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:47:20am

re: #476 redc1c4
SOI, School of Infantry as opposed to ITS, Infantry Training School, all the forms, stationary, etc. changed. Seemed to me to be a waste of money at a time when our radios didn't work, at least those we trained with at ITS.

489 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:47:33am

re: #484 kuffar

Lesson 1: God is inefficient for an omnipotent being, or else takes lots of breaks or chooses to be inefficient. I am a union member and that describes most union members I know.

Lesson 2: God could still, theoretically, be asleep... Which reminds me.

God is female: it's obvious, since everything is needlessly complicated and you have to guess at the meaning of things, nothing makes any real sense, and you have to try to figure out what's important from clues and other people, and eventually, no matter how hard you try, you die anyway..... %-)

490 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:48:43am

Venjanz, wherever you are. I posted an explanation of that "clone tool" use you think you see in Google Maps. Some of my kids are or have been involved in making those. Nothing nefarious going on at all.

491 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:49:09am

re: #488 Rancher

SOI, School of Infantry as opposed to ITS, Infantry Training School, all the forms, stationary, etc. changed. Seemed to me to be a waste of money at a time when our radios didn't work, at least those we trained with at ITS.

different part of the budget, doncha know.... they had to spend the money, and it looked good on some Field grades OER.

as for the radios, at least you were training as you would fight, since your radio *always* fails when you need it. %-)

/white smoke

492 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:49:30am

re: #489 redc1c4

God is female: it's obvious, since everything is needlessly complicated and you have to guess at the meaning of things, nothing makes any real sense, and you have to try to figure out what's important from clues and other people, and eventually, no matter how hard you try, you die anyway..... %-)

No, you are wrong. I have unequivocal proof that G_d is male. It is simply this: No woman in her right mind would give mothers only two hands.

493 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:49:48am

re: #479 Rancher

What's the ratio of oil naturally leaking into the oceans, which drilling would lessen, versus man controlled oil leaking?

That's the one thing the libs seem to ignore, for some strange reason (wink, wink). More oil seeps out of the Earth naturally each year than all the oil spills caused by man since we started drilling and shipping oil all over the world. Imagine that.

494 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:50:44am

re: #490 galloping granny

Venjanz, wherever you are. I posted an explanation of that "clone tool" use you think you see in Google Maps. Some of my kids are or have been involved in making those. Nothing nefarious going on at all.

sez you!

galloping granny's big kid clones are ripping us off!

495 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:50:49am

Fox has posted an AP report that Russians are bugging out.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

GORI, Georgia — Russian troops began pulling out Thursday from Gori, the strategically key city where their presence raised fears that Russia would challenge a cease-fire agreement, Georgia's Interior Ministry said.

Ministry spokesman Shota Utiashvili said that Russian troops, have also left Poti, a Black Sea port city with an oil terminal that is key to Georgia's fragile economic health.

All the news is 6-9 hours old.

496 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:50:54am

re: #484 kuffar

Lesson 1: God is inefficient for an omnipotent being, or else takes lots of breaks or chooses to be inefficient. I am a union member and that describes most union members I know.

Lesson 2: God could still, theoretically, be asleep... Which reminds me.

You're GOD?

497 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:51:40am

Cyanide and soda in the same thread gives me the heebeejeebies...

/shudder

Perhaps because Arsenic and Old Lace was on TV yesterday ...

498 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:52:04am

re: #492 galloping granny

No, you are wrong. I have unequivocal proof that G_d is male. It is simply this: No woman in her right mind would give mothers only two hands.

that's just your typical female failing to think ahead to the next step of the project....... happens all the time @ w*rk & at my house. %-)

/white smoke

499 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:52:14am

re: #494 redc1c4

sez you!

galloping granny's big kid clones are ripping us off!

Hey, if you want your mail this century, you lay off my big kids!

How're you this morning?

500 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:52:48am

re: #497 littleoldlady

Cyanide and soda in the same thread gives me the heebeejeebies...

/shudder

Perhaps because Arsenic and Old Lace was on TV yesterday ...

do you get residuals?

/ducking and running for cover %-)

501 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:53:45am

re: #495 RTLM

Fox has posted an AP report that Russians are bugging out.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

All the news is 6-9 hours old.

Whether they stay bugged remains to be seen. Is anyone mounting any kind of "send relief to Georgia" grass roots effort? Other than the RedX, which I would not give a RedCent to?

502 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:54:02am

re: #492 galloping granny

No, you are wrong. I have unequivocal proof that G_d is male. It is simply this: No woman in her right mind would give mothers only two hands.

And no male would give men nipples... : )

503 wannabuyaduck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:54:48am

re: #497 littleoldlady

Perhaps because Arsenic and Old Lace was on TV yesterday ...

"Charge!"

504 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:54:52am

re: #499 galloping granny

Hey, if you want your mail this century, you lay off my big kids!

How're you this morning?

same as always..... irascible, irrepressible and somewhat intoxicated.

i can't lay off your kids: they don't w*rk for me. maybe you should call their boss, but if they're unemployed, they might move back home...... %-)

505 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:54:55am

re: #502 Bob in Breckenridge

And no male would give men nipples... : )

Men are biological victims of a birth defect you know. All feti are initially female.

506 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:55:10am

re: #486 redc1c4

I still have a head space tool for a .50 cal. Missing the firing go/no-go part though. They did tend to break.

507 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:56:18am

re: #504 redc1c4

same as always..... irascible, irrepressible and somewhat intoxicated.

i can't lay off your kids: they don't w*rk for me. maybe you should call their boss, but if they're unemployed, they might move back home...... %-)

Oh I fixed that. When I decided to semi retire, I moved in with the kids. They CAN'T move back home! I got here first.

508 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:56:48am

re: #505 galloping granny

Men are biological victims of a birth defect you know. All feti are initially female.

I know, I was kidding... : ) We all have to start out as something...

509 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:57:56am

re: #500 redc1c4

Sure. I get residuals from all films that feature littleoldladies.

/if only...

re: #503 wannabuyaduck

Bwaha!

510 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:58:28am

re: #483 Rancher

I used to work with a guy that would start bouncing off the walls if you popped open a soda within five feet of him. Hyper don't cover it.

511 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 12:59:12am

re: #506 FamHistoryGuy

I still have a head space tool for a .50 cal. Missing the firing go/no-go part though. They did tend to break.

got a few stashed somewhere...... not that i'll ever need them (hopefully).

what i never understood is why the DOD didn't buy the fixed head space & timing retrofit kit FN came out with sometime in the (iirc) late 80's. one time purchase and presto, all your Ma Deuces would w*rk reliably, and you could save oodles of training time.

/too obvious to be any good %-)

512 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:00:00am

re: #508 Bob in Breckenridge

I know, I was kidding... : ) We all have to start out as something...

I know you were kidding. Now, what is even better is that in birds it is the roosters who are XX and the hens that are XY.

513 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:02:45am

re: #512 galloping granny

I know you were kidding. Now, what is even better is that in birds it is the roosters who are XX and the hens that are XY.

Just roosters and hens? Or all birds?

514 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:03:26am

re: #513 Bob in Breckenridge

Just roosters and hens? Or all birds?

All birds.

515 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:04:13am

FYI, I'm from Chicago, so roosters and hens are specific types of birds.

516 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:06:12am

re: #491 redc1c4

During Granada some guy had to use a radio phone and a credit card to call in strike/extraction data.

In 82 we traded in our WWII base weather radio for a Viet Nam era radio. Not that much improvement. Think it was more antenna than base unit.

517 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:06:15am

re: #515 Bob in Breckenridge

FYI, I'm from Chicago, so roosters and hens are specific types of birds.

In other words, roosters and hens are not to be confused with Robins and Hawks. Roosters and hens are like chickens to us city kids.

518 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:06:30am

re: #515 Bob in Breckenridge

FYI, I'm from Chicago, so roosters and hens are specific types of birds.

Oh. Let's see I think in birddom in general the ones that don't lay eggs are knowns a cocks and the ones that do lay eggs are known as hens. That help?

/I'm so sorry you are from Chicago. Do you have special animals there?

519 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:08:55am

re: #517 Bob in Breckenridge

Roosters and hens are like chickens?

/do I need more coffee...?
//of course I do!

520 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:10:50am

re: #518 galloping granny

Oh. Let's see I think in birddom in general the ones that don't lay eggs are knowns a cocks and the ones that do lay eggs are known as hens. That help?

/I'm so sorry you are from Chicago. Do you have special animals there?

Well, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are from Chicago. Myself, I moved to Colorado in 1989...And I was only born in Chicago. I grew up in Skokie, a northern suburb of Chicago.

521 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:10:58am

re: #511 redc1c4

Not Made Here attitude?

522 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:11:29am

re: #510 FamHistoryGuy

I used to work with a guy that would start bouncing off the walls if you popped open a soda within five feet of him. Hyper don't cover it.

i w*rked with this oh so petite little Korean emigre who was (allegedly) a pharmacist. she signed on as the Graveyard RPh, and i was her guide to the mysteries of late night health care.

she decided she wanted coffee, but not mine, Cafe Du Monde and French Roast, extra scoops, repeat pours through the basket, with Half & half & sugar.

she took a decaf packet, poured a few spoonfulls into the filter, ran a full pot of water, then took the almost clear liquid and poured maybe a finger full in her mug, which she then topped off with hot water.

the next night she didn't want even that, as she claimed it kept her awake half the next day.

/she had issues %-)

523 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:13:16am

re: #521 FamHistoryGuy

Not Made Here attitude?

undoubtedly..... although FN has a factory here these days (NC, iirc) where they make all sorts of neat toys.

524 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:14:17am

re: #522 redc1c4

i w*rked with this oh so petite little Korean emigre who was (allegedly) a pharmacist. she signed on as the Graveyard RPh, and i was her guide to the mysteries of late night health care.

she decided she wanted coffee, but not mine, Cafe Du Monde and French Roast, extra scoops, repeat pours through the basket, with Half & half & sugar.

she took a decaf packet, poured a few spoonfulls into the filter, ran a full pot of water, then took the almost clear liquid and poured maybe a finger full in her mug, which she then topped off with hot water.

the next night she didn't want even that, as she claimed it kept her awake half the next day.

/she had issues %-)

Yeah, but was she hot?

525 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:14:23am

re: #520 Bob in Breckenridge

Well, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are from Chicago. Myself, I moved to Colorado in 1989...And I was only born in Chicago. I grew up in Skokie, a northern suburb of Chicago.

Colorado is much better. Are you going on vacation for the convention?

526 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:16:32am

I guess I'll go back to bed. See you all in a while.

527 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:18:03am

re: #482 redc1c4

And yet as you travel America oil fields and their little pumps can be found everywhere, not hurting anything.

528 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:18:29am

I'm 80 miles west of Denver and 4000 feet above it. I'll drive down there if it gets interesting, like if Hillary makes a power play to steal the nomination from the Obamessiah.
Other than that, if I went down there I'd get charged about double what I'd usually pay.

529 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:18:45am

Later, granny! :-)

I would like to know why talloldman is walking around in the middle of the night, too.

/are we all in war-mode?

530 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:21:05am

re: #525 galloping granny

Colorado is much better. Are you going on vacation for the convention?

Sorry gg, forgot to quote...

I'm 80 miles west of Denver and 4000 feet above it. I'll drive down there if it gets interesting, like if Hillary makes a power play to steal the nomination from the Obamessiah.
Other than that, if I went down there I'd get charged about double what I'd usually pay.

531 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:24:38am

re: #516 FamHistoryGuy


I was stuck in a drift in a blzzard trying to get my wife her meds at the ranch. 911 (cell phone) wanted a credit card.

532 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:25:43am

re: #524 Bob in Breckenridge

Yeah, but was she hot?

not even if she was the last woman on the planet, by any standard, looks, personality, intellect.............

lousy pharmacist too. i came in one morning, at the early shift, and my code wouldn't open the doors..... any of them. no one had keys, since it's the pharmacy and manned 24-7-365, and no one answered the phone or overhead pages.....

i resorted to beating/kicking the door rather forcefully, and eventually she woke up and called security that someone was trying to break in.

they told her to open the door, that the rest of the department was there to w*rk for the day..... she complained to the boss that i scared her, but her blankets & pillow up on the counter kinda put the kibosh on that beef.

/useless

533 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:29:04am

re: #528 Bob in Breckenridge

if Hillary makes a power play to steal the nomination from the Obamessiah.

If that happens I might want to get further away from Denver than New Mexico.

534 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:31:56am

re: #531 Rancher

I was stuck in a drift in a blzzard trying to get my wife her meds at the ranch. 911 (cell phone) wanted a credit card.

had a blacked out, lowered/tricked SUV parked in the no parking zone under the trees near my house at closing time one weekend night a few weeks ago. looked like the driver was sleeping it off/gtting it off in the front seat.

LAPD wanted to send the paramedics.

LAFD wanted me to go see if they needed help first.

Parking Enforcement said to call the cops.

i offered to go out there armed and clear the issue, and then the cops got upset with me......

but they still didn't come.

(and they can't figure out why citizens are apathetic....... %-)

535 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:32:43am

re: #533 Rancher

If that happens I might want to get further away from Denver than New Mexico.

why? you're upwind where you are...... %-)

536 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:33:32am

hey LoL! you wanna test drive tonight's mod, since Blue isn't here to do it on the QT?

537 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:35:30am

re: #536 redc1c4

Why not?

/clean and sober is highly overrated...

538 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:36:14am

re: #529 littleoldlady

I been half expecting an email from military personnel to report for a re-induction physical. Of course, at my age that would take an act of congress. (yess, deliberate lower case spelling).

539 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:36:54am

re: #534 redc1c4
One of the local ranchers here wrecked his truck and managed to crawl to the highway and stop a vehicle. They went to town and notified the police but since we had no cop available the EMTs couldn't respond.

540 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:39:22am

re: #535 redc1c4

As windy as my town is, from all directions, I think we have a hole leading to Mars or someplace.

541 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:39:35am

Bush to the Russians (a reiteration)

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

I’ve also directed Secretary of Defense Bob Gates to begin a humanitarian mission to the people of Georgia, headed by the United States military . This mission will be vigorous and ongoing. A U.S. C-17 aircraft with humanitarian supplies is on its way. And in the days ahead we will use U.S. aircraft, as well as naval forces, to deliver humanitarian and medical supplies.

We expect Russia to honor its commitment to let in all forms of humanitarian assistance. We expect Russia to ensure that all lines of communication and transport, including seaports, airports, roads, and airspace, remain open for the delivery of humanitarian assistance and for civilian transit. We expect Russia to meet its commitment to cease all military activities in Georgia. And we expect all Russian forces that entered Georgia in recent days to withdraw from that country.

As I have made clear, Russia’s ongoing actions raise serious questions about its intentions in Georgia and the region. In recent years, Russia has sought to integrate into the diplomatic, political, economic, and security structures of the 21st century. The United States has supported those efforts. Now Russia is putting its aspirations at risk by taking actions in Georgia that are inconsistent with the principles of those institutions. To begin to repair the damage to its relations with the United States, Europe, and other nations, and to begin restoring its place in the world, Russia must keep its word and act to end this crisis.

Now that's the President Bush I remember.

542 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:41:02am

re: #538 FamHistoryGuy

That would actually be a relief. My stomach has been in knots for days. I'd welcome the chance to DO SOMETHING.

/I wouldn't worry. The only "acting" congress does these days is only worthy of an Academy Award.
//or not

543 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:41:58am

I have been scanning my slides from SEA. Up to May 1969 RVN. If I set up a photo bucket account would anyone be interested in seeing the pics I post? It would involve me sending you a password as I would have the albums set to private.

544 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:43:02am

re: #541 RTLM

Go Bush! Lame Duck status has some advantages.

545 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:44:02am

re: #540 Rancher

As windy as my town is, from all directions, I think we have a hole leading to Mars or someplace.

as long as it's not Uranus...... %-)

/white smoke

546 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:44:24am

re: #531 Rancher

Not overly surprised. Some folks just have no sense at all. Must have been a corprat money weine that instituted that policy.

547 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:44:27am

re: #543 FamHistoryGuy

I have been scanning my slides from SEA. Up to May 1969 RVN. If I set up a photo bucket account would anyone be interested in seeing the pics I post? It would involve me sending you a password as I would have the albums set to private.

ME!

548 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:45:31am

re: #543 FamHistoryGuy

Any bit of history would be my honor and pleasure to keep and disseminate.

549 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:45:50am

BTW, if I were in charge of the world, the Ukraine would have been admitted into NATO last Tuesday...

550 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:45:55am

re: #544 Rancher

Go Bush! Lame Duck status has some advantages.

With Bush - The time-honored, 'Lame Duck' status has never been a factor.

551 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:47:34am

re: #546 FamHistoryGuy

This was late 90s and I think quite common at the time.

552 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:48:54am

re: #550 RTLM

Excellent point.

553 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:49:16am

re: #544 Rancher

Are you really a rancher? My goal is to move to my family's 480 acres in Montana, build a house, and become a rancher, also.
I have no idea on how to become a rancher, but I do have the land, and it's paid for (It's been in my family since the Homestead Act in the 1800's).

554 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:49:33am

And I'm out folks, nite.

555 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:50:39am

re: #551 Rancher

I can see where a 911 call could take up a lot of cell tower time. But I would expect a lower rate for emergency calls.

556 Aylios  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:51:46am

re: #25 Maximu§

The FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.


I find it odd that the FBI spits out this statement before the investigation is even complete.

Well they do say the connection 'isn't apparent'. I.e. he didn't actually kill a thousand people with the cyanide, if he had then there the connection to terrorism would have graduated to 'possible'. Had he further left a written note detailing that he is slaying the infidels in the name of Allah, the connection would have graduated to 'probable, but in need of further investigation'.

557 Rancher  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:52:42am

re: #553 Bob in Breckenridge

Are you really a rancher?

Was, for thirty years, since my first paycheck at age eleven. We can talk again, I know where to find you, here, so nite. Or E-Mail me.

558 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:52:56am

re: #549 littleoldlady

BTW, if I were in charge of the world, the Ukraine would have been admitted into NATO last Tuesday...

My Fiancee Oksana is from Odessa, littleoldlady (I hate calling you that), so I agree whole-heartedly!

559 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:55:57am

Has there ever been a country 'liberated' by Russia since her founding?

560 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:56:37am

re: #549 littleoldlady

BTW, if I were in charge of the world, the Ukraine would have been admitted into NATO last Tuesdaylong ago...

fixed that for ya!

561 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:58:24am

McCain/Obama debate at Saddleback Church on Saturday, 8/16.

Lake Forest, CA

Out of the blue - to me...

562 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:58:37am

re: #558 Bob in Breckenridge

My Fiancee Oksana is from Odessa, littleoldlady (I hate calling you that), so I agree whole-heartedly!

try "LOL"...... just for laughs. %-)

563 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 1:59:00am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------->
Help yourselves!

564 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:00:00am

drink up! fruitcup is inbound.....................

565 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:00:03am

Whoa....a whole minute early?

566 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:00:32am

re: #563 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------->
Help yourselves!

well, *one* of us pegged it. %-)

567 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:01:42am

Philadelphia time :-(

re: #558 Bob in Breckenridge

My Fiancee Oksana is from Odessa, littleoldlady (I hate calling you that), so I agree whole-heartedly!

There was a bunch of Ukrainian girls in my high school, and every single one of them was named Oksana.

/pretty name
//but don't they have any others? ;-)

568 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:01:48am

re: #565 Fenway_Nation

Whoa....a whole minute early?

she was testing tonight'.s mod, since Blue Cannuck is f'ing off somewhere.

what a hoser, eh?....... %-)

569 thelongblogger  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:02:03am

re: #563 littleoldlady

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------->
Help yourselves!

Thank you, I'll do that.

And then I'll go to bed.

570 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:02:20am

re: #567 littleoldlady

Philadelphia time :-(

There was a bunch of Ukrainian girls in my high school, and every single one of them was named Oksana.

/pretty name
//but don't they have any others? ;-)

russian for "Barbie"?

571 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:02:53am

Okay, red. Dinged.

I don't get it. My computer clock said 5:01.

/I thought I was LATE! :-(

572 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:05:32am

My Russian teacher was named Magdalena and, in fact, Polish.
*dreamy sigh*

When I wasn't making inappropriate comments or advances, I remember her saying something along the lines of the Polish and Ukrainian languages being fairly closely related- although the Poles use Roman script and Ukrainians Cyrillic...

573 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:05:51am

re: #567 littleoldlady

Philadelphia time :-(

There was a bunch of Ukrainian girls in my high school, and every single one of them was named Oksana.

/pretty name
//but don't they have any others? ;-)

I'm not sure. Of course, I'm certain every women there is not named Oksana, that would be confusing. But she said she'd prefer to be called Ana when she comes here.

574 FamHistoryGuy  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:06:22am

re: #571 littleoldlady

Fruitcup is always welcome. At any time.

575 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:07:34am

re: #573 Bob in Breckenridge

I'm not sure. Of course, I'm certain every women there is not named Oksana, that would be confusing. But she said she'd prefer to be called Ana when she comes here.

Whoops, forgot the sarc tag!

576 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:11:10am
An expert told the Denver Post that the amount of cyanide is enough to kill hundreds of people.

I call work accident.

/drive-by post, going to gym, bbl

577 RTLM  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:14:22am

Denver builds a giant warehouse jail for agitators. Moonbats offended, demand better.

[Link: cbs4denver.com...]

PIC


The newly created lockup is on the northeast side of Denver. Protesters have already given this place a name: "Gitmo on the Platte."

“Very bare bones and very reminiscent of a political prisoner camp or a concentration camp,” said Zoe Williams of Code Pink.

Williams was one of those arrested at the Republican Convention in New York in 2004.

“That’s how you treat cattle,” said Adam Jung of the group Tent State University. “You showed the sign where it said stun gun in use and you just change the word gun for bolt and it’s a meat processing plant.”

Republicans had better jails - LOL

578 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:14:59am

Totally random thought, but what's Viktor Bout up to these days? Last I heard, wasn't he in custody in Thailand?

I'm thinking this Russian incursion into Georgia could serve more than one purpose, all of the benefitting Russia in the short-term.

579 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:15:15am

Wow, I passed 5000 comments tonight/this morning. Well, not in one day.

580 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:16:27am

re: #578 Fenway_Nation

Totally random thought, but what's Viktor Bout up to these days? Last I heard, wasn't he in custody in Thailand?

I'm thinking this Russian incursion into Georgia could serve more than one purpose, all of the benefitting Russia in the short-term.

Who's he?

581 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:19:05am

Viktor Bout was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand on March 6, 2008, during a sting operation set up by US DEA agents in Thailand[22]. Thai police acted on an arrest warrant issued by the US government, which accuses Mr. Bout of supplying weapons to Colombia's FARC rebels. He is currently awaiting deportation proceedings. Sources in Colombia and Spain claim that his arrest was made possible thanks to the information available from computers seized during the military operation that ended with the death of Raul Reyes (see 2008 Andean diplomatic crisis). [23]'

582 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:20:49am

re: #581 Bob in Breckenridge

Hat tip to Wikipedia for that info...

583 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:21:36am

re: #579 Bob in Breckenridge

Mazel Tov! :-)

584 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:22:18am

re: #580 Bob in Breckenridge

Russian arms dealer. There's a school of thought that some of the information on the late, not-so-great FARC leadership's laptop led to him after the FARC leader was killed by the Colombian Army....

I'm thinking maybe the Russians could cut some sort of deal with the Thais to spring Bount while the world's attention is focused on the Olympics in Beijing or the Russian Army's incursion into Georgia.

585 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:23:43am

re: #583 littleoldlady

Thank you! I'm not Jewish, but we all can't be perfect, right? : )

586 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:24:10am

re: #579 Bob in Breckenridge

Wow, I passed 5000 comments tonight/this morning. Well, not in one day.

shoulda typed faster. %-)

587 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:24:41am

re: #585 Bob in Breckenridge

Thank you! I'm not Jewish, but we all can't be perfect, right? : )

I can mazel tov you anyway!

/it's universal ;-)

588 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:24:54am

erev tov all!

589 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:25:22am

re: #571 littleoldlady

Okay, red. Dinged.

I don't get it. My computer clock said 5:01.

/I thought I was LATE! :-(

i thought you were past the point of worrying about being late?

/needless anxiety %-)

590 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:26:08am

re: #586 redc1c4

shoulda typed faster. %-)

hunting and pecking...it's not made for speed!

591 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:28:14am

No open thread tonight? I feel guilty talking nonsense in the "cyanide" post... god forbid I disrespect the cyanide!

592 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:29:36am

re: #587 littleoldlady

I can mazel tov you anyway!

/it's universal ;-)

Where I grew up, we had 7 houses on our block, and a baseball field across the street.
Ours as the only one with Christmas lights and decorations. It made it easy for our friends, Jews and gentiles, to find us during the holiday season. : )

593 littleoldlady  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:29:57am

re: #589 redc1c4

Like it or not I worry about everything.

/DNA is NOT my friend. :-(

Speaking of which, I'd better go see why talloldman is up so early, and if he needs a ride to the ER...

Good day, ALL!™

594 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:30:41am

PIMF- Ours was the only one with Christmas lights and decorations. It made it easy for our friends, Jews and gentiles, to find us during the holiday season. : )

595 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:32:37am

re: #593 littleoldlady

Like it or not I worry about everything.

/DNA is NOT my friend. :-(

Speaking of which, I'd better go see why talloldman is up so early, and if he needs a ride to the ER...

Good day, ALL!™

It's daytime? Oh my G-d...Good thing I'm the boss! : )

596 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:33:12am

re: #585 Bob in Breckenridge

Thank you! I'm not Jewish, but we all can't be perfect, right? : )

i read a book once (No Bugles, No Drums by Charles Durden) where one of the main characters wore a Star of David, even though he was a WASP.

he told the protagonist that (paraphrase) "we're all Jewish, it's just that some of our parents think we have enough problems already without telling us that.".....

/now i need to find my copy or replace it. %-)

597 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:36:20am

re: #590 Bob in Breckenridge

hunting and pecking...it's not made for speed!

how about comfort?

598 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:37:48am

re: #591 Ms. Missive

No open thread tonight? I feel guilty talking nonsense in the "cyanide" post... god forbid I disrespect the cyanide!

talking nonsense is a Nevada gas..............

/Raymond Chandler

599 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:40:33am

re: #598 redc1c4

talking nonsense is a Nevada gas..............

/Raymond Chandler

Reference went right over my head..... (too busy to google it).

600 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:43:14am

re: #599 Ms. Missive

Reference went right over my head..... (too busy to google it).

one of his short stories from the early 1930's..... pre Philip Marlowe, IIRC.

601 MeCurious  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 2:59:52am

re: #588 Ms. Missive

boker tov here!

602 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:01:29am

re: #601 MeCurious

boker tov here!

boker boker boker! The Israeli sun is heading your way... where are you? East coast?

603 MeCurious  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:03:11am

re: #602 Ms. Missive

boker boker boker! The Israeli sun is heading your way... where are you? East coast?

Bloomfield Hills, Michigan, USA. Looking forward to the Israeli sun.

604 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:03:26am

re: #596 redc1c4

i read a book once (No Bugles, No Drums by Charles Durden) where one of the main characters wore a Star of David, even though he was a WASP.

he told the protagonist that (paraphrase) "we're all Jewish, it's just that some of our parents think we have enough problems already without telling us that.".....

/now i need to find my copy or replace it. %-)

If you happen to have a Netflix account, order the movie "Skokie" starring Danny Kaye.
You'll see where I grew up, as a Catholic kid among Jews, a lot of whom were Holocaust survivors, including my neighbors Norman and Pearl Weiss.
I loved those people. They were so nice to me and my brothers. I hate to say I don't look Jewish, but I have blond hair and blue eyes...Not that I expected them to ignore us because we were not Jews.
I saw the tattoos on their arms when I was about 13, and asked them why they were there.
Mr. Weiss said to ask my parents if it was okay for him to tell me.
Long story short, the Weiss's survived Auschwitz.
The Temple in the movie, Temple Judea, I went there many times with Jewish friends. It was about a block from our house.
The high school shown at the beginning, Niles East, was our high school.
The movie was about American Nazis, wanting to march in Skokie because of the large number of Holocaust survivors that lived there, and about how the people of Skokie fought to stop it from happening.
The American Nazi Party was represented by the fuckin' ACLU, which back then, consisted of mainly "Jews"!
"Jews"...going to court to allow Nazis to march where thousands of Holocaust survivors lived in peace. I couldn't understand it then, and to this day I cannot. To us it was not a freedom of speech issue, it was a freedom from speech issue, the same as you cannot go into a theater and yell FIRE!

605 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:05:24am

re: #604 Bob in Breckenridge

Skokie, Illinois?

606 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:06:46am

and on the off chance you (& others) have no idea who he was, here's some of his greatest bits:


"To say she had a face that would have stopped a clock would have been to insult her.It would have stopped a runaway horse."--The Little Sister

"I felt like an amputated leg." -- "Trouble Is My Business" (Section 4)

"The corridor which led to it had a smell of old carpet and furniture oil and the drab anonymity of a thousand shabby lives"--The Little Sister (Chapter 9)

"She gave me a smile I could feel in my hip pocket"--Farewell, My Lovely (Chapter 18)

"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."--"The Simple Art of Murder" (essay)

"I needed a drink, I needed a lot of life insurance, I needed a vacation, I needed a home in the country. What I had was a coat, a hat and a gun." Farewell, My Lovely (Chapter 34)

"I was neat, clean, shaved and sober, and I didn't care who knew it." -- The Big Sleep (Chapter 1)

"There was a desert wind blowing that night. It was one of those hot dry Santa Anas that come down through the mountain passes and curl your hair and make your nerves jump and your skin itch. On nights like that every booze party ends in a fight. Meek little wives feel the edge of the carving knife and study their husbands' necks. Anything can happen. You can even get a full glass of beer at a cocktail lounge."-- "Red Wind" (opening paragraph)

"What did it matter where you lay once you were dead? In a dirty sump or in a marble tower on top of a high hill. You were dead, you were sleeping the big sleep, you were not bothered by things like that. Oil and water were the same as wind and air to you. You just slept the big sleep, not caring about the nastiness of how you died or where you fell. Me, I was part of the nastiness now."--The Big Sleep (Chapter 32)


"From thirty feet away she looked like a lot of class. From ten feet away she looked like something made up to be seen from thirty feet away."--The High Window (Chapter 5)

"The house itself was not so much. It was smaller than Buckingham Palace, rather gray for California, and probably had fewer windows than the Chrysler Building. I sneaked over to the side entrance and pressed a bell and somewhere a set of chimes made a deep mellow sound like church bells. A man in a striped vest and gilt buttons opened the door, bowed, took my hat and was through for the day."-- Farewell, My Lovely (Chapter 18)

"Dead men are heavier than broken hearts "---The Big Sleep (Chapter 8)

“I knew one thing: as soon as anyone said you didn't need a gun, you'd better take one along that worked.”


“Chandler wrote like a slumming angel and invested the sun-blinded streets of Los Angeles with a romantic presence.” —Ross Macdonald

607 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:11:45am

re: #604 Bob in Breckenridge

That's a nice little personal story, one that says a whole lot about our world. Thank you for sharing it.

608 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:13:18am

re: #604 Bob in Breckenridge

If you happen to have a Netflix account, order the movie "Skokie" starring Danny Kaye.
You'll see where I grew up, as a Catholic kid among Jews, a lot of whom were Holocaust survivors, including my neighbors Norman and Pearl Weiss.
I loved those people. They were so nice to me and my brothers. I hate to say I don't look Jewish, but I have blond hair and blue eyes...Not that I expected them to ignore us because we were not Jews.
I saw the tattoos on their arms when I was about 13, and asked them why they were there.
Mr. Weiss said to ask my parents if it was okay for him to tell me.
Long story short, the Weiss's survived Auschwitz.
The Temple in the movie, Temple Judea, I went there many times with Jewish friends. It was about a block from our house.
The high school shown at the beginning, Niles East, was our high school.
The movie was about American Nazis, wanting to march in Skokie because of the large number of Holocaust survivors that lived there, and about how the people of Skokie fought to stop it from happening.
The American Nazi Party was represented by the fuckin' ACLU, which back then, consisted of mainly "Jews"!
"Jews"...going to court to allow Nazis to march where thousands of Holocaust survivors lived in peace. I couldn't understand it then, and to this day I cannot. To us it was not a freedom of speech issue, it was a freedom from speech issue, the same as you cannot go into a theater and yell FIRE!

i remember those events, and it's one of the reasons i hold the ACLU in such contempt. when the scum come for the Jews, we are *all* Jews.

i will not go quietly, nor will i be quiet when they come for others.

"Down these mean streets a man must go who is not himself mean, who is neither tarnished nor afraid. He is the hero, he is everything. He must be a complete man and a common man and yet an unusual man. He must be, to use a rather weathered phrase, a man of honor, by instinct, by inevitability, without thought of it, and certainly without saying it. He must be the best man in his world and a good enough man for any world."

/not that i'm a hero. however, i was lucky enough to serve with them.

Scouts Out.

609 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:13:31am

There is a very loud cricket behind my refrigerator. Anyone know how to get it out without moving the refrigerator and waking my neighbors?

610 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:13:40am

Isn't Keyser Soze from Skokie?

611 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:13:49am

re: #605 Ms. Missive

Skokie, Illinois?

the one & only.

612 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:14:03am

re: #605 Ms. Missive

Skokie, Illinois?

Yes.

613 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:14:55am

re: #609 godfrey

There is a very loud cricket behind my refrigerator. Anyone know how to get it out without moving the refrigerator and waking my neighbors?

they make the noise looking for a mate, iirc. put some more crickets back there and hope he gets lucky?

614 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:15:37am

re: #610 Fenway_Nation

Isn't Keyser Soze from Skokie?

who is Keyser Soze?

615 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:17:08am

re: #612 Bob in Breckenridge

Yes.

I had no idea. I grew up in Aurora.....

616 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:19:02am

it's only 0320 here, but i think i'll go to bed early, for once......
twice?

better offer?
%-)
/

617 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:19:15am

re: #609 godfrey

There is a very loud cricket behind my refrigerator. Anyone know how to get it out without moving the refrigerator and waking my neighbors?


Only suggestion I have is to find Pinocchio.

What's war news this moreing? CNN broadcast says the ceasefire is holding. Fox news online reports Russians on Georgian territorial integrity: "Fuhgeddaboudit!"
I'm a little concerned, as my family went to Georgia just before the invasion.
Is Atlanta close to Tbilisi?

618 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:19:34am
The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

...a message from the Department of the Dangerously Oblivious.

Let'd review the case. We have,

1. Cyanide (a weapon)
2. Denver (site of upcoming Democratic Party convention, likely target)
3. Saleman Abdirahman Dirie (the name alone suggests a motive, somebody with the same name recently posted comments to a Somali website threatening death and exclaiming "Allah Akbar!"
4. A dead body.

619 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:20:07am

re: #614 redc1c4

Keyser Soze- plot device extraordinairre

/methinks I've become too reliant on wikipedia

620 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:20:47am

re: #609 godfrey

There is a very loud cricket behind my refrigerator. Anyone know how to get it out without moving the refrigerator and waking my neighbors?

Send in a tarantula. They love crickets.

621 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:21:20am

re: #617 jim in virginia

Only suggestion I have is to find Pinocchio.

What's war news this moreing? CNN broadcast says the ceasefire is holding. Fox news online reports Russians on Georgian territorial integrity: "Fuhgeddaboudit!"
I'm a little concerned, as my family went to Georgia just before the invasion.
Is Atlanta close to Tbilisi?

That joke never gets old.

622 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:21:34am

The world is going to hell, and I am actually on the floor with a styrofoam sword, trying to swat a cricket.

623 chitown55  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:22:06am

Wow, Skokie people!

624 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:22:40am

re: #620 Kenneth

Send in a tarantula. They love crickets.

A cat would work if it fits.
Pehaps a nanobot? (Heading to the batcave lab now...)

625 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:22:40am

re: #620 Kenneth

Do they sell those on amazon?

626 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:22:41am

re: #619 Fenway_Nation

Keyser Soze- plot device extraordinairre

/methinks I've become too reliant on wikipedia

methinks you missed one of the lines from the movie:

"Who is Keyser Soze?"

/just another usual suspect %-)

627 chitown55  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:23:01am

Whoops, 2nd like there should have said "Skokie resident here, born & raised"

628 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:23:47am

re: #622 godfrey

DON"T KILL IT!
It might be my great aunt Tessie, rest her soul, reincarnated behind your fridge.

629 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:24:22am

re: #627 chitown55

Whoops, 2nd like there should have said "Skokie resident here, born & raised"

no shit! Strange.... lots of Chicagoland folks.

630 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:24:26am

re: #620 Kenneth

Send in a tarantula. They love crickets.

"Even on Central Avenue, not the quietest dressed street in the world, he looked about as inconspicuous as a tarantula on a slice of angel food."--Farewell, My Lovely (Chapter 1)

/Chandler

631 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:24:45am

Tell her to pipe down, then.

I won't kill it. My neighbor would love to use it as bait.

632 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:25:36am

re: #622 godfrey

The world is going to hell, and I am actually on the floor with a styrofoam sword, trying to swat a cricket.

killing crickets is bad luck, even if they aren't named Jimminy..... %-)

633 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:26:19am

re: #615 Ms. Missive

I had no idea. I grew up in Aurora.....

I've been to Aurora many times. I've posting here for a few years, actually I just posted my 5000th comment. I love LGF and most of the people here.
I've lived in Colorado since 1989. The only time I'll bring up my childhood and teenage years in Skokie is if it adds something to someone else's post, which happened earlier.

634 opnion  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:21am

Good Morning Lizards. I am at the airport for the second time this week.
The good news is the alert TSA authorities have thoroughly perp walked me. The bad news is they let Achmed waltz through & they are now tossing your grannies meds.
Hey did they catch the radical Lutheran that killed the Somali & planted the cyanide?

635 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:23am

re: #549 littleoldlady

BTW, if I were in charge of the world, the Ukraine would have been admitted into NATO last Tuesday...

Good morning Lol, this is just a wee-bit of background which does have great bearing: One of 2 responsible parties for the rejection of both Georgia's and the Ukraine's bid into Nato was, according to some sources, sent by 'The One' to mediate a Russian ceasefire and has since written the terms of ceasefire as demanded by Russia.

Miracles can happen but in this case I wouldn't expect any changes we can believe in. :-)

636 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:30am

The ACLU, like all "progressive" organizations views some identities as good and other identities as bad. That's why, in the name of "free speech" they will defend the allegedly "disenfranchised" while at the same time stifle the "privileged". Today that means "good" Muslims get special help while "bad" Jews must shut up.

637 jim in virginia  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:45am

godfrey, maybe a lightsabre?
The sound would drown out the chirp.
Seriously- a coathanger with bubble gum on the end.

638 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:51am

re: #623 chitown55

Wow, Skokie people!

A few of us, yep!

639 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:52am

that's it: i'm for the rack......

L8r, y'all!

/white smoke & beer cans

640 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:27:58am

re: #630 redc1c4


Sweet!

641 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:28:06am

re: #626 redc1c4


My bad....the bulliten board was made in Skokie, which in turn was incorporated into part of Verbals' elaborate ruse.

/Haven't seen the movie in like...10 years.

642 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:30:02am

re: #633 Bob in Breckenridge

I've been to Aurora many times. I've posting here for a few years, actually I just posted my 5000th comment. I love LGF and most of the people here.
I've lived in Colorado since 1989. The only time I'll bring up my childhood and teenage years in Skokie is if it adds something to someone else's post, which happened earlier.

Congrats on your 5000th comment! Hope it was a good one!

643 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:30:33am

I am acting with more civility toward this cricket than some men act toward their daughters:

Riyadh: A Saudi man working with the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice recently killed his daughter for converting to Christianity. According to sources close to the victim, the religious police member had cut the tongue of the girl and burned her to death following a heated debate on religion.

Of course, if this cricket starts to get all heretical on me, the civility ends right here.

644 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:30:41am

re: #640 Kenneth

Sweet!

see #606 for more from him....

645 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:31:50am

re: #641 Fenway_Nation

My bad....the bulliten board was made in Skokie, which in turn was incorporated into part of Verbals' elaborate ruse.

/Haven't seen the movie in like...10 years.

one of my friends used the line as his sig on usenet for years....

no way i could forget it.

/i have friends? %-)

646 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:32:36am

re: #643 godfrey

I am acting with more civility toward this cricket than some men act toward their daughters:

Of course, if this cricket starts to get all heretical on me, the civility ends right here.

the cricket is more civil than the Saudis in question......

IMHO, of course.

/scum

647 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:32:41am

re: #633 Bob in Breckenridge

I've been to Aurora many times. I've been posting here for a few years, actually I just posted my 5000th comment. I love LGF and most of the people here.
I've lived in Colorado since 1989. The only time I'll bring up my childhood and teenage years in Skokie is if it adds something to someone else's post, which happened earlier.

PIMF! But I have the BEST avatar! If you ask me!

648 opnion  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:33:02am

re: #643 godfrey

I am acting with more civility toward this cricket than some men act toward their daughters:


Of course, if this cricket starts to get all heretical on me, the civility ends right here.

Crickets are generall Druids. They just love the Samin.

649 Fenway_Nation  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:33:14am

Just out of curiosity, Bob, were your comments 4001-5000 consisting mostly of you telling other lizards that you just posted your 4000th comment? ;P

650 opnion  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:34:03am

re: #648 opnion

Crickets are generall Druids. They just love the Samin.

Thats Samain.

651 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:34:40am

re: #647 Bob in Breckenridge

PIMF! But I have the BEST avatar! If you ask me!

mine's both custom & accurate. %-P

/more or less.

(really going to bed this time...... i mean it! %-)

652 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:35:13am

re: #650 opnion

Thats Samain.

i thought it was salmon?

653 opnion  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:35:59am

re: #652 redc1c4

i thought it was salmon?

Hmmm, something is fishy here.

654 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:36:10am

re: #649 Fenway_Nation

Just out of curiosity, Bob, were your comments 4001-5000 consisting mostly of you telling other lizards that you just posted your 4000th comment? ;P

just variations of "first"................ %-)

655 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:36:24am
Foul play is not suspected

I don't know, a pound of cyanide seems pretty foul to me.

Good morning all.

656 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:36:25am

Did you guys see the notebooks of that jihadi who tried to run over students at UNC-Chapel Hill with his SUV? They're posted at JihadWatch here. They're a meticulous index of Koranic suras related to jihad. He connects the dots.

To say jihad has nothing to do with Islam is simply a lie.

657 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:36:54am

re: #653 opnion

Hmmm, something is fishy here.

obviously, you're being baited.......

658 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:37:37am

re: #655 Ford_Prefect

I don't know, a pound of cyanide seems pretty foul to me.

Good morning all.

not really: it's a fair amount of the chemical. %-)

659 Jim in Virginia  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:37:57am

re: #653 opnion

Hmmm, something is fishy here.

Cut the carp. I've haddock.

660 opnion  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:38:08am

re: #656 godfrey

Did you guys see the notebooks of that jihadi who tried to run over students at UNC-Chapel Hill with his SUV? They're posted at JihadWatch here. They're a meticulous index of Koranic suras related to jihad. He connects the dots.

To say jihad has nothing to do with Islam is simply a lie.

Wait wait! It is a Religion of Peace. The violent 98% ruin it for the peaceful 2%.

661 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:38:34am

re: #642 Ms. Missive

Congrats on your 5000th comment! Hope it was a good one!

Naw, I don't remember, it was just the 5000th...But thanks. I'm not a rookie, but to a lot of "veterans" here, I'm still "wet behind the ears". I'm not sure what that means.

662 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:39:07am

re: #649 Fenway_Nation

Just out of curiosity, Bob, were your comments 4001-5000 consisting mostly of you telling other lizards that you just posted your 4000th comment? ;P

LMAO!

663 redc1c4  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:39:36am

re: #656 godfrey

Did you guys see the notebooks of that jihadi who tried to run over students at UNC-Chapel Hill with his SUV? They're posted at JihadWatch here. They're a meticulous index of Koranic suras related to jihad. He connects the dots.

To say jihad has nothing to do with Islam is simply a lie.

no, it's taquiya........ %-)

/big difference

664 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:40:22am

Hey Fenway, nice win last night huh? John Lester continues to be the ace of this staff.

665 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:42:58am

re: #649 Fenway_Nation

Nope- the only ones that mattered were 1000 and 5000.
Damn, you Red Sox fans get surly when they're not in first place, and you trade Manny Ramirez...Okay, so Jason Bay is doing OK. For now.

666 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:44:57am

re: #665 Bob in Breckenridge

Nope- the only ones that mattered were 1000 and 5000.
Damn, you Red Sox fans get surly when they're not in first place, and you trade Manny Ramirez...Okay, so Jason Bay is doing OK. For now.

Trading Manny was the best thing this team could have done. All they have done since is win games. As for not being in first place, we are pretty used to that. It is who ends up on top in October that really matters.

667 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:45:02am

re: #655 Ford_Prefect

There will be 'no foul play', 'terrorism' nor discussion of 'war' in accordance with the DNC-MSM Manual for Controlling the Outcome of the 2008 National Elections - pg 1; Section 1.1 - It's the Economy Stupid!

Mornin folks, are we havin fun yet?

668 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:46:24am

I have to say, I just looked at the LGF spy, and I am impressed that the Stealth Creationist thread is almost to 800 posts and they are still on topic. I am not sure what that says, but it is impressive.

669 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:47:20am

re: #667 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

There will be 'no foul play', 'terrorism' nor discussion of 'war' in accordance with the DNC-MSM Manual for Controlling the Outcome of the 2008 National Elections - pg 1; Section 1.1 - It's the Economy Stupid!

Mornin folks, are we havin fun yet?

We were until the thought police showed up ;-)

670 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:47:50am

re: #668 Ford_Prefect

I have to say, I just looked at the LGF spy, and I am impressed that the Stealth Creationist thread is almost to 800 posts and they are still on topic. I am not sure what that says, but it is impressive.

I'm not familiar with the LGF spy. What's its purpose?

671 Bob in Breckenridge  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:48:16am

re: #666 Ford_Prefect

Trading Manny was the best thing this team could have done. All they have done since is win games. As for not being in first place, we are pretty used to that. It is who ends up on top in October that really matters.

I know...But it's in October they'll miss his bat. I'm outta here. Have a great day/night, depending upon where you are!

672 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:48:53am

re: #670 Ms. Missive

I'm not familiar with the LGF spy. What's its purpose?

Go up to the tool dropdown menu and click LGF Spy. It shows you all the comments that are being posted in all the threads.

673 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:49:53am

re: #671 Bob in Breckenridge

To be honest, the way the Angels are playing I don't think it is going to matter where Manny is playing.

674 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 3:55:40am

re: #670 Ms. Missive

I'm not familiar with the LGF spy. What's its purpose?

You can see that there is quite a bit of action right now on LGF, just not in this thread.

675 yesandno  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:00:54am

re: #63 Lawrior

Oh sure, the foreigner with the "different" name just happens to be the one that the warrants bringing in the FBI. Did the FBI hassle anyone else with a pound of cyanide? No. This smacks of racial profiling, and the Democrats should demand an apology immediately.

Seriously, what are the odds that if this makes it to the MSM, the deceased is portrayed as a right-winger?

Compared to everyone else in Denver, he might well be!

676 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:00:55am

Anything blow up yesterday?

Noticed this sentence in the article; "Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered."

Well, at least they have some of his "friends" to talk to. I'm sure they will tell us everything we need to know.

All we'll need is a little water, a little board....

677 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:02:09am

re: #674 Ford_Prefect

You can see that there is quite a bit of action right now on LGF, just not in this thread.

Does it auto-refresh?

678 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:02:27am

re: #677 Ms. Missive

Does it auto-refresh?

Answered my own question... lol

679 sloggin420[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:08:48am
680 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:10:34am

re: #679 sloggin420

"and a little more for Santa Claus..."

-Cheech and Chong

681 Dizzy26  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:14:07am

-OT-

I have all information of importance for Saturday nights' Q & A forum
with John McCain and B. Obama, to be moderated, and questioned, by
Dr. Rick Warren, ,(Author of 'A Purpose Driven Life'-)

If you want particulars, e-mail me.

682 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:22:23am

re: #681 Dizzy26

I live 1.3 million miles from Rick's church. Darn!

Is it going to be televised? Do you know?

683 Dizzy26  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:30:53am

re: #682 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have the full 'media guide information ' release, but only know how to 'cut & paste.

I'll be glad to send you the info in an email.

684 snopercod  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:37:52am

Awww, he was probably just carburizing some steel in his bathtub.

685 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:39:19am

re: #677 Ms. Missive

re: #678 Ms. Missive

Yes. :-) Sorry it took so long for me to get back to you. My employers actually expect me to work for my paycheck. D*mn Fascists!

686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:43:08am

re: #683 Dizzy26

nic is blue...(I think)

687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:50:08am

Holy Cow! Where is everybody. Was there a mass termination?

688 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:50:50am
689 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:51:16am

re: #687 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy Cow! Where is everybody. Was there a mass termination?

Take a look at the spy. There is activity, just not here. They keep talking ID if you want to go there.

690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:52:11am

re: #689 Ford_Prefect

Hi Ford. Didya bring a towel? A towel is a handy think to keep with you.

691 LizardBennet  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:53:19am

Just a random thought--do you think during WWII we would have elected a President named Gunther Heinrick Hikler? During the cold war what would the chances of a president named Nikolai Vladamir Andromov being elected have been?

692 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:54:00am

re: #691 LizardBennet

Oh, snowball...active volcano.

693 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:54:27am

Back from gym. Did I miss anything interesting?

694 LizardBennet  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:56:24am

re: #692 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, yeah, I guess garden hose.....lamp shade.

695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:56:30am

re: #693 laZardo

Nope. And people get hurt in Gyms all of the time. You probably shouldn't go.

696 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:56:59am
Immigration to the United States significantly increases world-wide CO2 emissions because it transfers population from lower-polluting parts of the world to the United States, which is a higher-polluting country.

re: #688 taxfreekiller

So we should make people stay in their own countries, live in houses with dirt floors, have no job, starve, be 'ethnically cleansed etc, because if they come here they will drive cars, live in houses that have heat and a/c, work in a factory that pollutes, eat food from containers that end up in landfills etc. Global Warming - Love The Earth, Hate Its Occupants.

697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:57:16am

re: #694 LizardBennet

Huh? Funny!

698 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:57:28am

re: #690 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hi Ford. Didya bring a towel? A towel is a handy think to keep with you.

Never go anywhere without it!

699 Dizzy26  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:57:49am

re: #686 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

nic is blue...(I think)

? (what's nic is blue?

FUK, I can't even 'preview' this reply!

700 Aussie Infidel  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:58:19am

re: #28 nigella

Still, how many off use have cyanide at our disposal?

Just about every farmer who wants some and who has $20 to buy it from the farm store. Usually comes in 1 Kg tins.

You obviously live in a city and have lost touch with the goings on in the countryside!

701 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:58:44am

re: #693 laZardo

Back from gym. Did I miss anything interesting?

The more important question is did we miss anything at your gym?

702 LizardBennet  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 4:59:00am

re: #697 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I was just responding to #692--it was my random thought way of saying "I don't understand."

703 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:00:05am

re: #695 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I go to gym mainly because it keeps me from turning into a computer-equivalent of a couch potato.

re: #701 Ford_Prefect

Tragically, no.

704 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:00:44am

re: #702 LizardBennet

I was just responding to #692--it was my random thought way of saying "I don't understand."

Silly, I was responding to your name question. The chances of a snowball surviving in an active volcano....

Perhaps I should have said that same chances of a snowball in hell?

705 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:01:05am
706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:01:50am

re: #703 laZardo

I go to gym mainly because it keeps me from turning into a computer-equivalent of a couch potato.

What's wrong with that? STOP LOOKING AT ME!

707 LizardBennet  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:01:52am

re: #704 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Oh! LOL---It's still early. Not all the brain cells activated yet. Going to get me some coffee.

708 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:02:43am

re: #707 LizardBennet

I think too many of my brain cells are active. Would you accept a donation?

709 llanite  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:02:50am

So, with this guy mysteriously dying of natural causes and that guy in Las Vegas with the ricin also mysteriously dying of natural causes, can I finally say that we have a shadowy brotherhood of assassins operating around the world to fight evil?

710 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:02:58am

re: #706 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And speaking of which, I'm hungry.

/dinner, bbl

711 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:03:05am

re: #707 LizardBennet

But it was a hell of a question.

712 LizardBennet  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:05:36am

re: #708 laZardo
Actually, I'm strongly considering slipping a little something into my coffee to PREVENT full activation today. It's the only way I can watch the current events unfold.

713 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:05:51am

re: #709 llanite

So, with this guy mysteriously dying of natural causes and that guy in Las Vegas with the ricin also mysteriously dying of natural causes, can I finally say that we have a shadowy brotherhood of assassins operating around the world to fight evil?

Shh. They might hear you.

714 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:05:59am

Wow... I'm really shocked by this story.

The U.S. has forced Israel to supply Palestine with body armor... but the thing is, the body armor was paid for by U.S. TAXPAYERS!

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

715 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:08:37am

good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

716 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:10:04am

re: #715 HoosierHoops

good Morning Lizards!
How is everyone this fine day?

Good morning HH. Still trying hard not to get any work done. Sometimes I think it might be easier to just do the work. But where's the fun in that?

717 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:10:32am

I wonder if Dirie likes Tyson chicken.

718 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:10:39am

re: #712 LizardBennet

Good idea. Maybe I could burn a few for fuel as well.

/microwave's beeping, bbl

719 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:11:19am

Hey good morning all y'all - from a coolish (63 degrees going up to 81 degrees) and overcast Charlotte!
I'm about to run out the door to go see my dentist, but wanted to drop by and see what's going on!

720 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:11:30am

re: #714 Ms. Missive

Wow... I'm really shocked by this story.

The U.S. has forced Israel to supply Palestine with body armor... but the thing is, the body armor was paid for by U.S. TAXPAYERS!

[Link: patriotmissive.com...]

Right hand, this is left hand. Will you please talk to each other!

721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:12:39am

re: #717 MandyManners

I'm trying to figure it out Mandy, I'm trying....

Does Tyson use cyanide to enhance the taste of chicken?

722 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:12:47am

re: #717 MandyManners

re: #719 realwest

Good morning you two. Things are starting to liven up.

723 BenZacharia  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:12:51am

Does the article mention if he was a creationist?

Connect the dots people.

Jewish Creationist
Christian Creationist
Muslim Creationist

See what they have in common?

Not at all like the icons of evolution;
Lenin
Stalin
Hitler
Krushev
Pol Pot
Mao
Uncle Ho
Putin
Castro
Hugo Chavez

Goneski, not TTFN

724 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:12:57am

re: #719 realwest

See #714, leading to #718, meaning the usual.

725 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:13:33am

re: #721 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm trying to figure it out Mandy, I'm trying....

Does Tyson use cyanide to enhance the taste of chicken?

It doesn't enhance the taste. It just makes it so you don't care what it tastes like.

726 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:14:21am

re: #723 BenZacharia

ID thread is one back.

727 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:15:18am

re: #716 Ford_Prefect

Good morning HH. Still trying hard not to get any work done. Sometimes I think it might be easier to just do the work. But where's the fun in that?

Good Morning Ford..
Heck..might as well do the work..
Is it slow today?

728 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:15:31am

re: #723 BenZacharia

Oh gosh Ben... Some people claim Hitler was a vegetarian trying to shut vegetarians up. Good people/bad people many times can share the same views.

(hitler was not a vegetarian, btw)

729 Right Brain  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:15:34am

Just an ordinary non-Baptist cyanide salesman trying to earn an honest living and falling victim to Bush's relaxed OSHA requirements that resulted in a work accident and the loss of an immigrants life.

730 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:15:44am

re: #727 HoosierHoops

Good Morning Ford..
Heck..might as well do the work..
Is it slow today?

On LGF or at work?

731 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:16:11am

re: #729 Right Brain

Super ding!

732 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:16:51am

re: #729 Right Brain

Just an ordinary non-Baptist cyanide salesman trying to earn an honest living and falling victim to Bush's relaxed OSHA requirements that resulted in a work accident and the loss of an immigrants life.

Been visiting KOS, I see.

733 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:17:14am

re: #722 Ford_Prefect
Gah, this thread's in bad shape if y'all need ME to liven it up; I'm barely awake myself! LOL!

734 cutestguy[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:17:15am
735 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:17:28am

re: #730 Ford_Prefect

LGF.. no.more.coffee
back in a minute

736 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:17:53am

Good morning Lizards............ Morning realwest......

737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:18:12am

re: #733 realwest

Hey Real!

738 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:19:06am

re: #724 laZardo
Good morning my friend - I haven't forgotten that I owe you an e-mail, but I'm running around like a madman right now - long, busy day today.
I hope YOU are doing well.
Any word on the effin' Russians yet? Any US Navy ships try to get into Poti yet?

739 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:19:21am

bbl

740 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:19:28am

re: #709 llanite

So, with this guy mysteriously dying of natural causes and that guy in Las Vegas with the ricin also mysteriously dying of natural causes, can I finally say that we have a shadowy brotherhood of assassins operating around the world to fight evil?

"llan" -

It IS preferred that do not SAY it. Thought is another matter.

-S-

741 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:20:01am

re: #723 BenZacharia
Hey, hi Ben! How are you doing this morning?

742 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:20:29am

OK, so this Somali gentleman had what?

"Police confirmed Wednesday that they found about a pound of sodium cyanide in a Denver hotel room..."

A pound, well is that a lot?

"An expert told the Denver Post that the amount of cyanide is enough to kill hundreds of people."

OK, so it's a lot- but I'm sure it was just for his own personal use, right?

"Foul play is not suspected and his death appears to be an isolated incident..."

See? Waddid I tell ya?

"...FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism."

Yup, just another poor immigrant ROPer stuck in a hostile, bitter, Bible clinging, gun-slinging culture who was driven to commit suicide- hundreds of times.

Nothing to see here, move along!

*Sheesh !*

/Good Morning Everybody!

743 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:21:13am

re: #738 realwest

You know, I was watching NBC news last night and again this morning (my wife likes it). It is a good thing the Olympics are going on right now, or they would have nothing to talk about.

744 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:21:19am

re: #736 doriangrey
Hey there dorian, how are you doing?

745 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:21:52am

re: #737 Fat Bastard Vegetarian Hi right back atcha FBV! Hope you're well today?

746 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:23:10am

re: #745 realwest

Fine as a frog hair split three ways.

747 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:23:14am

re: #739 MandyManners

bbl

You just got here. This place needs your feminine presence.

748 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:23:23am

re: #743 Ford_Prefect
What?! Nothing on Georgia/Russia/WWIII ?
Oh wait, that's right NBC isn't covering that, it's covering the Olympics!

749 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:23:33am

BBIAM

750 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:23:48am

Good Morning RW and Dorian..
House blend today Dorian..here ya go..

751 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:24:04am

re: #748 realwest

What?! Nothing on Georgia/Russia/WWIII ?
Oh wait, that's right NBC isn't covering that, it's covering the Olympics!

same difference

752 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:24:18am

re: #744 realwest

Hey there dorian, how are you doing?

Doing all right I guess, not really awake yet. Kind of laughing at the "FBI response? no apparent connection to terrorism" I'm starting to understand how 9/11 was possible.

753 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:24:55am

re: #750 HoosierHoops

Good Morning RW and Dorian..
House blend today Dorian..here ya go..

Thanks, I seem to really need it this morning...

754 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:28:33am

We've changed our coffee blend at home. Right now I am freaking wired to the ceiling! Biddle Biddle Bee Bee....whoo hoo....Hi everybody! Ha Ha Ha!

755 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:28:35am

re: #752 doriangrey Ah, don't want to go through all that again - did it around 1:30 this morning and I'm gassed out on that topic, I'm afraid.

756 loveguru  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:28:45am

Good Morning folks ....

today lets start the day with USB wine :)

757 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:29:15am

I'm still wondering how his body wasn't discovered for six days in a hotel.

758 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:30:11am

re: #751 Ms. Missive
Good morning to you Ms. Missive - or rather, good afternoon to you! Not sure I understand your comment there; equating olympics with Russia/Georgia ?

759 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:31:07am

re: #757 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm still wondering how his body wasn't discovered for six days in a hotel.

You don't want to stay in that hotel, that's for sure!

760 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:32:00am

re: #758 realwest

Good morning to you Ms. Missive - or rather, good afternoon to you! Not sure I understand your comment there; equating olympics with Russia/Georgia ?

Good morning, realwest! (afternoon for me, yes)

I simply meant the competition is like WWIII... no deep thought involved there.

How goes in your end of the world?

761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:32:06am

re: #757 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm still wondering how his body wasn't discovered for six days in a hotel.

There are budget hotels that only clean weekly (and weakly).

762 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:33:58am

Pretty funny, and accurate, slam piece on Kieth Olbermann here.

The man is such a tool.

763 gonecamping  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:34:02am
So, with this guy mysteriously dying of natural causes and that guy in Las Vegas with the ricin also mysteriously dying of natural causes, can I finally say that we have a shadowy brotherhood of assassins operating around the world to fight evil?

We sure could use a 'real' Mitch Rapp today. (Any Vince Flynn fans here?)

764 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:34:41am

re: #756 loveguru

Good Morning folks ....

today lets start the day with USB wine :)


That's friggin awesome!
I need one of those..

765 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:35:42am

re: #760 Ms. MissiveWell you're right of course, no deep thinking about Olympics but I wish someone would do some deep thinking over here about Russia/Georgia - latest news ticker item seems to indicate Russia ain't gonna leave Georgia, just annex it and be done with it. Course I don't have the story, just the news ticker item.
Things are ok by me but I'm really running late now!
Hope you have a great day!

766 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:35:44am

re: #757 Who Watches the Watchmen?

I'm still wondering how his body wasn't discovered for six days in a hotel.

Not hard to understand if you think about it. Muslim man from Somali, female maids. Muslim man was probably a typical Muslim asshole and none of the maids were willing to go anywhere near his room.

767 realwest  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:36:50am

Well all y'all it's been grand but I have to go now.
I hope you all have a Great Day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

768 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:37:04am

re: #767 realwest

Well all y'all it's been grand but I have to go now.
I hope you all have a Great Day and that I get the chance to see you all down the road!

Have a great day!

769 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:37:19am

re: #766 doriangrey

Better answer than mine.

770 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:37:42am

re: #766 doriangrey

Not hard to understand if you think about it. Muslim man from Somali, female maids. Muslim man was probably a typical Muslim asshole and none of the maids were willing to go anywhere near his room.


A do not disturb sign on the door?

771 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:38:34am

re: #768 Ms. Missive

Have a great day!

hey ms.. If it's afternoon where you are..I'm guessing Europe?

772 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:39:08am

re: #742 CIA Reject

OK, so this Somali gentleman had what?

Yup, just another poor immigrant ROPer stuck in a hostile, bitter, Bible clinging, gun-slinging culture who was driven to commit suicide- hundreds of times.

Nothing to see here, move along!

*Sheesh !*

/Good Morning Everybody!


check list for a few days away from the rat race...

razor...check
toothbrush..check
toothpaste,mouthwash...check
change of clothes...check
a pound sodium cyanide...check
lastest james Michener novel...check
sunglasses...check
ipod...check...

nah...this is not suspicious at all..nothing to worry about..

773 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:39:32am

re: #764 HoosierHoops

I heard it tastes like serial port.

774 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:39:49am

re: #771 HoosierHoops

hey ms.. If it's afternoon where you are..I'm guessing Europe?

Close. Israel.

775 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:39:57am

re: #754 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We've changed our coffee blend at home. Right now I am freaking wired to the ceiling! Biddle Biddle Bee Bee....whoo hoo....Hi everybody! Ha Ha Ha!

Dude! That wasn't coffee that was crystal meth...

776 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:40:09am

re: #761 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There are budget hotels that only clean weekly (and weakly).

With guests who mind their own business and don't complain about foul odors.

777 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:41:04am

re: #767 realwest

Dang. Was gonna tell you about how CNN International's "iReport" was full of pro-Georgian protests...

778 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:42:43am

re: #774 Ms. Missive

Close. Israel.

Nice..gonna have to visit there someday...

779 Ms. Missive  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:43:39am

re: #778 HoosierHoops

Nice..gonna have to visit there someday...

Definitely! It's not just for Jews anymore. Everyone's money is good here. :)

780 Lively  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:46:58am

re: #770 HoosierHoops

A do not disturb sign on the door?

I'm surprised it took 6 days for the body to start stinking.

781 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:47:45am

re: #779 Ms. Missive

Even though I'm a cynic (and everything described in my profile), I couldn't help but smile a bit inside when I went channel surfing a couple weeks back and a local channel was broadcasting a mass held here to commemorate Israel's 60th with "God Bless Israel" as its title.

/hope, tragically, is short-lived.

782 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:47:49am

re: #780 Lively

I'm surprised it took 6 days for the body to start stinking.

It probably stopped stinking. That's what made someone check!

783 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:48:29am

re: #780 Lively

I'm surprised it took 6 days for the body to start stinking.

It didnt, it just took six days for the staff to realize this wasn't the usual Muslim stench...

784 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:48:39am

re: #780 Lively

I probably wouldn't be off to guess the first one to discover the body was hotel management wondering why the hell the room's tab hadn't been paid yet.

785 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:49:00am

re: #780 Lively

I'm surprised it took 6 days for the body to start stinking.

Just one little detail about this story...
How did the friends know he was dead for 6 days?

786 Lively  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:49:15am

Does anyone remember that old Motel 6 commercial?

It was a guy calling the front office from his hotel room. The phone menu was something like this:

"If you have hair in your bathtub, please press 1 now."
"If there is a stain on the sheets, please press 2 now."

It was a very funny commercial.

787 CIA Reject  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:49:33am

re: #772 Spider Mensch

Yeah, you think the FBI would have the capacity to think beyond the old "redneck Sheriff" jokes (d@mndest case of suicide I ever did see...) in situations like this.

788 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:49:48am

re: #785 HoosierHoops

Just one little detail about this story...
How did the friends know he was dead for 6 days?

Because they knew he was dead when they left him?

789 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:49:56am

re: #786 Lively

I've stayed in that hotel.

790 Lively  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:50:28am

re: #784 laZardo

I probably wouldn't be off to guess the first one to discover the body was hotel management wondering why the hell the room's tab hadn't been paid yet.

You don't pay anymore. They just hit your credit card by a certain hour.

791 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:50:53am

re: #786 Lively

"If you smell something unusual coming from nearby, similar to that of a rotting corpse, please stay on the line and an operator will assist you."

/this is waiting...

792 Lively  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:52:07am

re: #791 laZardo

"If you smell something unusual coming from nearby, similar to that of a rotting corpse, please stay on the line and an operator will assist you."

/this is waiting...


LOL

793 esch  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:53:15am

re: #791 laZardo

"If you smell something unusual coming from nearby, similar to that of a rotting corpse, please stay on the line and an operator will assist you."

/this is waiting...

Ah, that brings back memories of Four Rooms...great movie.

794 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:53:59am

well they have new door knob hanging signs at that hotel now...
" Please Do Not Disturb....The Body"

795 Lively  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:54:50am

Well, I better get back to work.

796 irish rose  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:56:12am

Drive-by howdy!

797 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:56:14am

re: #795 Lively

Cheers.

798 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:59:49am

I wonder if the Feds suspected the white powder was cyanide because it was found in a lab jar labelled "Danger: Sodium cyanide, toxic". (I did speculate earlier that this could be suicide).

As to why they aren't calling this a terrorist incident, why start a panic without good evidence that this person was involved in a conspiracy?

If the threat is contained, that's enough work done.

By the way, its been a while, but I've been in more than one research lab that had a jar of cyanide sitting in an unlocked closet with other chemicals. I've been in another that used to keep vials of tetrodotoxin (the puffer fish neurotoxin) in an unlocked refrigerator.

One would hope that researchers are more cognizant of this sort of stuff in the post 9-11 era, but you never know.

799 doriangrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 5:59:56am

Well later folks, time for me to head off to work...

800 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:00:47am

re: #796 irish rose

purrrr!

801 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:01:16am

good morning everyone,
how interesting that the FBI can announce so quickly that a moslem w/ a quart of cyanide is NOT connected to terrorism.
i guess it's 'anti-islamic' activity.
hmmmmm, he looks like a dead terrorist to me.

802 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:01:23am

Some thoughts on the Georgian crisis....

Reports are the Russians are beginning to pull back from Gori, they're not advancing on Tbilisi. Is this because Putin blinked when Bush drew a line & sent in the humanitarian aid? Or are the Russians just playing cute and pretending to withdraw for a while, saying 'it's over, were done now". They could then portray the US humanitarian missions as "unnecessary & provocative".

It was reported the Russians dropped 50 bombs on the BTC pipline but failed to hit it. Nice pictures of a farmers field filled with fresh craters.

How much military assistance is the US sending in? Does it include key weapons like stingers & javelins?

How much support & access are the Turks willing to lend? Remember, they may publicly refuse to help much, but they could provide plenty of help secretly. That includes passage & docking for US warships and overland supply routes to Georgia.

And then there is the dog that didn't bark. We saw the Russians invade on two fronts, we saw the Georgians quickly withdraw under limited covering fire. What was missing? There were no pitched battles, no knock-out punch delivered. Georgia's army, small as it is, is still intact. That's got to be a serious concern for Russia if they intend to hold the territory they've just taken and keep their 2 armored columns supplied through the coming winter.

803 nadadhimmi  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:02:16am

" A Canadian Man ". Yep, it's the Canadians we have to worry about, damn 'em. This poor Muslim was framed by the Jooos.... What is interesting was that this guy wanted to kill as many moonbats as possible at the Dem Convention. This is the way the Islamofascists reward the Dems for commiting treason against the U.S.. Has anyone heard of an investigation to see if this dude had tickets to or was invited to the convention or Invesco at Mile High?

804 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:02:19am

re: #801 nyc redneck

SILENCE! I KEEEEEL YOU!

805 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:03:17am

re: #796 irish rose

Drive-by howdy!

Hi Rose!

806 sparrowlake  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:03:44am

re: #798 looking closely

I wonder if the Feds suspected the white powder was cyanide because it was found in a lab jar labelled "Danger: Sodium cyanide, toxic". (I did speculate earlier that this could be suicide).

IIRC in the old movies isn't cyanide the stuff in little gel capsules that spies and special forces had in their filling cavities in their mouths so they could commit suicide if they were caught?
Did they find a few thousand empty capsules in the room?

807 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:04:41am

re: #801 nyc redneck

Well for one thing, the FBI is not describing him as "Muslim". They are calling him a "Canadian immigrant". He must be one of our diverse & jolly people of no apparent ethnic or religious denomination.

808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:05:11am

re: #806 sparrowlake

If they found a water hose in his room running to the water supply of the donk convention...they would have thought he was just wanting to get a drink of water.

809 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:05:48am

re: #801 nyc redneck

good morning everyone,
how interesting that the FBI can announce so quickly that a moslem w/ a quart of cyanide is NOT connected to terrorism.
i guess it's 'anti-islamic' activity.
hmmmmm, he looks like a dead terrorist to me.


You don't know everything they know.
Based on the above info, deliberate suicide appears quite possible.

810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:05:54am

re: #808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wish I had previewed that. awkward usage.

811 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:06:19am

re: #802 Kenneth

It was reported the Russians dropped 50 bombs on the BTC pipline but failed to hit it. Nice pictures of a farmers field filled with fresh craters.

Pipe fail. (:

812 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:07:04am

re: #807 Kenneth

Canadaphobia!

/

813 HoosierHoops  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:07:27am

re: #810 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Wish I had previewed that. awkward usage.

/you're lucky Goddessoftheclassroom isn't here to correct your paper..
:)

814 jcbunga  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:07:31am

He was probably pondering the uses of such a quantity of cyanide when women's beach volleyball came on the tube and *blam* he just lost it. That, or he had a brayn tomour.

815 Peacekeeper  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:07:51am

Buddy there's something you should know, not everybody has a place to go...

816 sparrowlake  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:07:54am

re: #808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If they found a water hose in his room running to the water supply of the donk convention...they would have thought he was just wanting to get a drink of water.

LOL.
"Not terrorism" my ass.

817 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:08:52am

Condi Rice:

"This is not 1968. And the invasion of Czechoslovakia, where Russia can threaten a neighbor, occupy a capital, and overthrow a government, and get away with it. Things have changed."
818 cutestguy[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:09:13am
819 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:09:24am

re: #807 Kenneth

Well for one thing, the FBI is not describing him as "Muslim". They are calling him a "Canadian immigrant". He must be one of our diverse & jolly people of no apparent ethnic or religious denomination.

if he was anything but a moslem, it would be in the first sentence of the report. in fact that would be the SUBJECT of the report.

820 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:09:40am

re: #807 Kenneth

Well for one thing, the FBI is not describing him as "Muslim". They are calling him a "Canadian immigrant". He must be one of our diverse & jolly people of no apparent ethnic or religious denomination.

Well, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie is a very common Canadian moniker...

821 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:09:53am

re: #806 sparrowlake

IIRC in the old movies isn't cyanide the stuff in little gel capsules that spies and special forces had in their filling cavities in their mouths so they could commit suicide if they were caught?
Did they find a few thousand empty capsules in the room?


It kills pretty fast (within minutes), and it doesn't take much to do it. So it would be an ideal poison for that purpose, sure.

Again, I'm speculating that this case is probably pretty simple.

The guy was depressed, had access to, or obtained a jar of poison, found some sleazy hotel room, and killed himself.

Why a pound? Because that's the source he had/found.

822 sparrowlake  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:09:53am

re: #809 looking closely

You don't know everything they know.
Based on the above info, deliberate suicide appears quite possible.

Yeah but he had an effin QUART of the stuff. Doesn't that at least tell you that he had a bit more than he needed just to kill himself?

823 Spider Mensch  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:09:56am

re: #808 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

If they found a water hose in his room running to the water supply of the donk convention...they would have thought he was just wanting to get a drink of water.


yeh and if they found a little hilliary clinton doll with pins sticking in it, why that would just be an item of his cultural expression! all the kids in his country carry those. voodoo dolls are like cell phones where he comes from don't cha know. when you want someone you just stick a pin in there doll look alike...
"hmm forgot to tell my brother about next weeks bbq"
Stick!
brother: "ouch!" "oooh magubu is calling me!"

824 Ford_Prefect  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:11:35am

Interesting commentary in National Review Online here.

In a world without America, the strong do as they will, and the weak suffer as they must.

He brings up some very good points about the isolationist ideas of people like BHO and what that would do to the world as a whole. This, in my opinion, is part of why we need to respond firmly to the Russians now and not wait until it escalates even further.

825 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:11:45am

re: #820 christheprofessor

Well, Saleman Abdirahman Dirie is a very common Canadian moniker...

Very common it seems:

Mohammed Ali Dirie is one of 17 people connected to arrests on June 2 and June 3, 2006 in the 2006 Toronto terrorism arrests.

At the time of the arrests, he was already serving a two year sentence on weapons smuggling charges. He was caught bringing guns across the U.S. border to Canada. Border patrol agents found two loaded guns strapped to his legs. He was born in Somalia and immigrated with his mother to Canada. He was sentenced with Yasim Abdi Mohamed for gun smuggling.

As a result of preferred direct indictment by the Crown Attorney on 2007-09-24, Dirie was re-arrested and now only faces 2 charges after the Crown dropped the third charge of providing property to aid and abet a terrorist organization.[1]

826 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:12:37am

re: #822 sparrowlake

Yeah but he had an effin QUART of the stuff. Doesn't that at least tell you that he had a bit more than he needed just to kill himself?


Sure.

But he may not have known how much he needed, and though it better to err on the side of "caution".

And the stuff is used industrially and actually DOES come in large jars.

The fact that a suicide has a full magazine in their pistol doesn't mean that they necessarily intended to kill 14 other people!

827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:12:44am

re: #821 looking closely

Look a little closer.

Really, you think he was depressed and offed himself?

Denver? Cyanide? Muslim?

Ok, maybe you're right.

828 laZardo  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:13:36am

re: #814 jcbunga

/snerk

829 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:14:02am
830 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:14:12am

re: #809 looking closely

You don't know everything they know.
Based on the above info, deliberate suicide appears quite possible.

possibly, but a moslem in a hotel room w/ a quart of cyanide is a bad lethal combination, even tho he had an accident or ate some on purpose.

831 cutestguy[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:16:00am
832 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:17:07am

re: #825 Kenneth

Perhaps it's an entire clan (klan?) of terrorists...

833 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:17:14am

re: #822 sparrowlake

Yeah but he had an effin QUART of the stuff. Doesn't that at least tell you that he had a bit more than he needed just to kill himself?

Plus, either he traveled from Canada to Denver with the stuff, OR he managed to find a place to buy this quantity once he reached Denver.

Either of those scenarios are just strange. I mean, how many people either travel with a pound of cyanide, or, having reached their destination, go look for a source to buy a pound of cyanide? Is cyanide easy to get?

834 bosforus  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:17:37am
Foul play is not suspected

Other than the fact that he was found with a pound of cyanide? Sounds like foul play to me.

835 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:17:52am

re: #821 looking closely

You are incredibly naive. Depressed suicidal people don't take airplane trips from Ottawa to Denver, buy cyanide and kill themselves in a cheap hotel. Depressed suicidal people stay home & do it and they tend to use the more traditional methods: guns shots, slitting wrists, sleeping pills or jumping.

836 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:18:48am

Here we have some light being shed on the burning question of the day:

China Busted Scrubbing Internet!... Female Gymnasts Too Young!

837 Kenneth  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:18:59am

re: #832 christheprofessor

Perhaps it's an entire clan (klan?) of terrorists...

Somali society is very much organized on clans. It's very likely these two men were at least remotely related.

838 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:19:38am

Palestinians mourn their national poet:

Darwish, widely revered for giving voice to the Palestinians’ desire for independent statehood and their longing for the lands they lost to Israel, died on Saturday aged 67 after complications resulting from a heart operation in the US.

"National" poet, right. (rolls eyes)

839 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:20:25am

re: #827 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Look a little closer.

Really, you think he was depressed and offed himself?

Denver? Cyanide? Muslim?

Ok, maybe you're right.

Do you know how many people kill themselves every single day in every major metropolitan city in the USA?

I think deliberate suicide is a very simple and highly plausible explanation for the facts that I have (which is 29 year old dead Somali with pound of poison in hotel room). Occam's razor suggests its probably the correct one.

Of course, I don't have all the facts (and neither do you), so I admit this is speculative. But apparently *somebody* contacted this guys friends and they said he had been missing for some time. They probably had other things to say off the record, and I would imagine there is a lot of other evidence here that we don't know about.

840 jcbunga  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:21:34am

Let's not overlook the true victims here. I'm speaking, of course, of the 72 virgins. Once again they have to go through eternity with a fubar'd member of the JV squad...unless it was a suicide...in which case the 72 virgins are back in play.

841 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:21:55am

re: #756 loveguru

Does that come in a rum or scotch version?

Morning all, finally home drowning my sorrows.

/damn property management took my internet away at work.

842 nyc redneck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:21:58am

i have a friend whose younger brother committed suicide by consuming cyanide. it was tragic. he got it somehow from photo chemicals.
this is a monstrous way to die. her family is still suffering yrs. later.
i'm just glad this moslem on holiday from canada w/ his handy qt. of cyanide, was not able to poison anyone here.

843 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:22:50am

re: #833 reine.de.tout

Plus, either he traveled from Canada to Denver with the stuff, OR he managed to find a place to buy this quantity once he reached Denver.

Either of those scenarios are just strange. I mean, how many people either travel with a pound of cyanide, or, having reached their destination, go look for a source to buy a pound of cyanide? Is cyanide easy to get?


Not for the average schmoe, but it could be trivial to get a pound jar of it if you happen to work in an industry that uses it, or know somebody who does.

Did this guy? I don't know.

Did this guy have relatives or other business that took him to Denver? I don't know.

Do you think the FBI knows the answers to these two questions? I think they probably do.

844 Jed  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:23:03am
no apparent connection to terrorism.

He found roaches in his room and was just trying to kill them.

845 Iron Fist  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:23:24am

This appears to be the peaceful, inner struggle variety of cyanide poisoning.

846 cutestguy[deleted]  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:23:38am
847 jcbunga  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:24:03am

re: #844 Jed

He found roaches in his room and was just trying to kill keeeel them.

848 FrogMarch  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:25:31am

I once lived not far from The Burnsley.

[Link: www.burnsley.com...]

849 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:25:38am

re: #837 Kenneth

Somali society is very much organized on clans. It's very likely these two men were at least remotely related.

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they are related.

Then there is the potential third person named Dirie the article mentions who posted apparently posted something here back in July (as per Charles' thread yesterday).

850 godfrey  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:28:14am

Joe Biden has a piece in the London Financial Times about Russia. Here's the lead:

Despite Russia’s overwhelming advantage in size and firepower in its conflict with Georgia, the Kremlin may have the most to lose. It is too soon to know with certainty who was responsible for the initial outbreak of violence in South Ossetia, but the war that began there is no longer about Georgia’s breakaway regions or Russian peacekeepers.

The Kremlin has the most to lose? What about Georgia?!

It is too soon to know with certainty who was responsible for the initial outbreak of violence

Irrelevant.

The rest, however, is sensible. Good for Biden, whom I generally dislike.

851 sparrowlake  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:29:18am

re: #826 looking closely


The fact that a suicide has a full magazine in their pistol doesn't mean that they necessarily intended to kill 14 other people!

I think a quart of cyanide would be a lethal dose for about 3 or 4,000 people. If I am correct, then the proper ammo analogy would not be one 14-round clip but rather something like 250 clips. If you found a dead man with a bullet in his head, a pistol in his hand, and 250 full clips of ammo on the nightstand, wouldn't you think this guy had plans to off a lot of people?

852 Ben Hur  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:30:32am
Friends told The Ottawa Sun that he was dead six days before he was discovered.

Friends? How did they know?

The FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force is assisting in the investigation but FBI spokeswoman Kathy Wright said the incident has no apparent connection to terrorism.

Good thing to see the FBI keeping up its "perfect record."

What an effen joke.

Boker effen Tov.

853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:31:24am

re: #839 looking closely

Ok. I think Occums Razor points in the terrorism direction. We'll probably never know. So, I guess our ideas are academic anyway.

854 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:32:12am

I wonder if Dirie was a member of the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union. You know the RWDSU. It's the union that tried to take away Labor Day and shove a Muslim holy day down the throats of Tyson workers in Shelbyville, TN. It supports B.H.O..

855 reine.de.tout  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:32:59am

re: #849 christheprofessor

It wouldn't surprise me at all if they are related.

Then there is the potential third person named Dirie the article mentions who posted apparently posted something here back in July (as per Charles' thread yesterday).

What?

856 Whatchamacallit  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:33:10am

I would like to state that this substance is more dangerous then some would have you believe in their postings on this thread. If properly approached it can be very deadly.

Sodium Cyanide in crystal powder form can be absorbed through the skin, can be inhaled if spilled into the air, can release small amounts of hydrogen cyanide if exposed to water or carbon dioxide, and can release large quantities of hydrogen cyanide if exposed to a strong acid such as sulfuric acid. This is similar to how the gas chamber works and is similar to how the Jews were gassed to death by the Nazi's (Zyklon-B = hydrogen cyanide). It is most effective in a combined space to maximize the parts per million in relation to the surrounding air. Once hydrogen cyanide is formed in a gaseous state, it's also explosive.

Of course, plain Sodium Cyanide is toxic if ingested. It can give off a smell if it's moist/wet that smells like almonds but only a portion of the public can actually smell cyanide due to a genetic trait.

When working with this substance, you need to wear a respirator, protective clothing, gloves, and you should not smoke nor eat anywhere near by. You have to keep it dry and away from strong acids. Merely handling it can cause it to be absorbed through the skin. Liquid hydrogen cyanide vaporizes to a gaseous state at 68 degrees fahrenheit, it literally boils starting at this temperature. It is a severe hazard to cleanup if spilled. It needs to be neutralized using hydrogen peroxide (laboratory grade, not your local pharmacy which is heavily diluted ).

It's highly likely that this person who was found dead made a big mistake in handling this toxic substance and he poisoned himself. There was no mention of him having chemistry training. I suppose the FBI is trying to figure out how he obtained the substance and what his chemistry background was. How many times have we heard of a terrorist bomb lab blown to smithereens because of a stupid mistake or the bomb makers were using highly unstable explosives that take a tremendous amount of care. The London bombers had peroxide based explosives that had to be kept cold. One of their apartments had several industrial grade double-door refrigerators to store the explosive immediately after manufacture. That particular explosive is responsible for hundreds of missing fingers, hands, eyes, and entire limbs in Palestine. It's highly unstable and volatile.

857 looking closely  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:33:24am

re: #830 nyc redneck

possibly, but a moslem in a hotel room w/ a quart of cyanide is a bad lethal combination, even tho he had an accident or ate some on purpose.


Well, it definitely bears investigation, that's for sure.

As to the likelihood of a "work accident", I suppose thats possible, but if it did happen that way, it would probably be pretty easy to see at the scene.

Again, the guys background and history undoubtedly have the answers here. Was he a militant Islamist, or alternatively, just a depressed immigrant? Shouldn't be too hard to sort out between those two possibilities with a pretty rudimentary investigation.

858 kansas  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:34:18am

Could someone please tell this old Kansas boy what is evidence of terrorism?

859 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:34:33am

re: #854 MandyManners

OH! Now I know what you were talking about. Duh!

860 BlueCanuck  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:34:50am

re: #853 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ok. I think Occums Razor points in the terrorism direction. We'll probably never know. So, I guess our ideas are academic anyway.

Unfortunately all single "incidents" of terrorism in the states, and some here in Canada are brushed under the rug as quickly as possible. 2 summers ago we had the 18 that were planning on all sorts of mayhem. Now they are down to about 16 or 15, and not much from the trial is heard. I cringe at our porous borders and our rabble rouser's heading to your great country to cause mischief. This is not the first time it has happened, and unfortunately it won't be the last. I blame all those years of a Liberal federal government.

861 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:35:15am

More on the impact of Somalis in America.

We have written extensively about the problems of assimilation of émigré Somalis in cities like Nashville, Minneapolis, Lewiston, Maine and another Tyson Foods locale, Emporia, Kansas with a Somali meatpacker work force. The problems in those communities have included issues such as TB, public health, drug dealing, petty crime, in some cases massive unemployment, federal Medicare and Medicaid fraud and separation of Church and State provisions.

One of the few members of the Fourth Estate, who has covered the problem of assimilation of legal Somali humanitarian émigrés in the US, is Brian Mosely of the Shelbyville Times Gazette.

In a series of hard hitting articles in the Shelbyville Times Gazette, Mosely has vividly portrayed the problems of what happens when hundreds of Somalis with a strong tribal culture and Muslim faith come to a small community in America’s heartland. What threads through Mosley’s series is the Somalis demonstrable lack of discernable public health standards and minimal education, plus their rejection of US cultural standards of tolerance and offers from community outreach groups.

SNIP

Who let them in?

862 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:36:56am

re: #820 christheprofessor

Did you hear the one about the traveling saleman with the Cyanide Suicide Vest?

863 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:37:19am

re: #848 FrogMarch

So, its not a flea bag? huh.

864 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:38:02am

re: #855 reine.de.tout

What?

The creepy post here in July (see Charles' thread below) by an Abdirahman Dirie is the same as that quoted in the article linked above, which was posted somewhere else in July.

865 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:38:53am

re: #861 MandyManners

More on the impact of Somalis in America.

Who let them in?

Clinton I think. You should see the unmitigated disaster they have created in Maine. Lewisville, once a sleepy little town we often visited (friends had a farm there) has been completely overrun. And other places.

866 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:40:43am

re: #862 Cap'n DOC

Did you hear the one about the traveling saleman with the Cyanide Suicide Vest?

No, but I can't wait to hear the punch line...

867 galloping granny  Thu, Aug 14, 2008 6:41:08am