a plan that has infuriated Russia

Tough sh*t. You can dish it, you can take it.

Yippee!

And I'm sure this system will be designed to deal with missiles from Russia, not just Iran.

Putin should listen to what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, that he feared that Japan had awakened the US.

Yes!

Now let's let them know they won't be having any NATO teams at their Olympics unless they leave Georgia.

Let's Piss of Pooty Poo more!

To Russia With Love:

We give you the new Warsaw Pact. Sit and spin, Putin.

Russia is dominating the news now, but fret not, Shortly after the Olympics the Chicoms will be center stage in the news in Taiwan.

The bear has it's nose in Georgia, we give the tail a yank....

Excellent.

Maybe a deal with Ukraine will be a sharp poke in the ribs.

re: #4 karmic_inquisitor

Let's piss off Pooty Poo more.

HOW DARE BUSH SEND MIXED SIGNALS AND PROVOKE RUSSIA!

/Kossacks

I bet there will be more deals following shortly.
Isn't NATO having an emergency meeting in Brussels right now?
Spped up the membership of the Ukraine and Georgia, I say!

Missile shields wouldn't be needed if Russia would get over their imperialistic aggressive tendencies.

Newsflash Putin, Communism is dead, the Tsar is dead, and you've more than worn out your welcome. Step aside and let your country enter the 21st century.

raised the specter of an escalation of tension

Forgive my naivete, but I believe tensions are already at an all-time high, due to the PRESENCE OF RUSSIAN TANKS IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO A U.S.-ALLY CAPITAL.

/Just sayin'.

Cool.

re: #6 Egfrow

Russia is dominating the news now, but fret not, Shortly after the Olympics the Chicoms will be center stage in the news in Taiwan.

We have a mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, shooting at them IS shooting at us.

I'm sure it's a coincidence that they came to this agreement at this particular time.

Boo frickin' hoo, Russia. Did you really think there would be no consequences to your machinations in Georgia? Again, I say, tough sh*t.

re: #6 Egfrow

Russia is dominating the news now, but fret not, Shortly after the Olympics the Chicoms will be center stage in the news in Taiwan.

We can put a fleet between China and Taiwan. We couldn't put hardware between Georgia and Russia - Russia was already in there as "peacekeepers".

This "new" cold war will not be like the "old". This one is going to be fought with energy, not armies. Putin has the power to literally turn the heat off in most of the EU. The Russians will beat their chest and make some noises about this but they really do not care.

Poland becomes more of an anchor in New Europe. I like it.

Russia is infuriated because their designs on Georgia expected the US to do what exactly? Nothing?

Russia has been carping about the missile defense system for years.

I have four words for Russia:

Too bad. So sad.

re: #7 jcm

Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned by Putin a few years ago, I'm sure the Ukrainians have not forgotten this.

Nice,The russians are responsable for their own fears coming to pass.

Any more news on the Ukraine telling Russian ships they need permission to return to port?

Good! Let the orgy of the unintended consequences commence!

I hope Poland comes to our aid when Barack is elected.

Sow what you have reaped, Tsar Putin.

Russians play chess.

Americans play poker.

Welcome to the table Vlad....

a plan that has infuriated Russia and raised the specter of an escalation of tension with the region’s communist-era master

The rubber band has already snapped, idiot.

re: #15 DaChew

I question the timing.
kos/du /off

re: #22 Boondock St. Bender

Nice,The russians are responsable for their own fears coming to pass.

Last night CSPAN played an AEI panel that concluded that very thing. One historian said it was a big part of Russian history - where they help their fears become reality.

Interesting. Russia's aggression in Georgia may in fact backfire, inspiring other nearby nations to side with Nato / U.S.

fergit NATO, fergit EU (Sarko's deal as EU President).

Let's realign our sphere.

Dear Russia,

Get f#cked.

Russia's is a conscript army full of kids who DO NOT WANT TO SERVE.

That is why Putin set up his "patriotism" camps.

Taking away their nukes is like taking away Saudi's oil.

Good timing, W.

"Mr. Putin, don't re-hang the Iron Curtain!"

re: #14 jcm

We have a mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, shooting at them IS shooting at us.

We have a mutual defense pact with Taiwan, even though we don't recognize them as a sovereign country? I'd love to see the diplo-speak that went into that!

re: #30 karmic_inquisitor

Interesting. I noticed their literature was always glum and fatalistic. Must have something to do with the weather.

re: #24 anotherindyfilmguy

LOL.

It's a dangerous neighborhood, after all. Proof that we need a strong leader, one who won't wilt under pressure. Obama? I doubt it (look under the bus, for example). That leaves...

re: #14 jcm

We have a mutual defense treaty with Taiwan, shooting at them IS shooting at us.

Unfortunately, that would have been the case if Georgia was let into NATO. But rest assured when the ChiComs come to Taiwan, it will be a full scale and huge effort that we will not be able to react to the way we wish.

I don't understand why Russia has such a problem with the installation of our missile defense system in Poland. Leftists here in the U.S. have been saying that it will never work anyway.

re: #39 Golem Akbar

Golem-were you a Machalnik?

Puti must be spinning. But then he should have expected this. This old Eagle hasn't lost all of her claws yet.

I wonder if Herr Putin will test the defense of Poland. Thing is, Russia could be a fabulously wealthy country and a great place to live if it got its act together. Probably has more natural resources than any other country. There's plenty of lebensraum. Putin probably has small dick/big ego syndrome.

re: #18 jester6

This "new" cold war will not be like the "old". This one is going to be fought with energy, not armies. Putin has the power to literally turn the heat off in most of the EU. The Russians will beat their chest and make some noises about this but they really do not care.

I dare the Russians to cut off all the energy supplies to Europe!

/OK, so I really don't care about Europe.

Let's see - we now have missile bases in Afghanistan, Iraq, Poland, Japan, and Alaska.

We have them fuckers surrounded!

re: #40 Egfrow

Unfortunately, that would have been the case if Georgia was let into NATO. But rest assured when the ChiComs come to Taiwan, it will be a full scale and huge effort that we will not be able to react to the way we wish.

I want t add, that this will be a pulling away of the mask and signal a new global conflict on the scale which will test us all. It will mean the survival of Democracy and the United States. We can't afford to loose this.

re: #21 Egfrow

Viktor Yushchenko was poisoned by Putin a few years ago, I'm sure the Ukrainians have not forgotten this.

And they closed off Ukraine Black Sea ports to Russian naval forces.

re: #27 CIA Reject

Russians play chess.

Americans play poker.

Welcome to the table Vlad....

We've bet the flop, now let's see the turn.

re: #35 Dar ul Harb

If he does re-hang it, it'll be Russia on the front lines, with American tanks in Poland for persuasion to stay put. Even the Georgia thing is far from a done deal. It depends on how much we really want to push Putin's buttons.

Love the Pols! Love em!

a plan that has infuriated Russia and raised the specter of an escalation of tension with the region’s communist-era master

How come everything the US does causes "escalations" and never things like, I don't know, cross border invasions?

re: #46 Racer X

Let's see - we now have missile bases in Afghanistan, Iraq, Poland, Japan, and Alaska.

We have them fuckers surrounded!

Time to move some of our military from Germany to Poland.

re: #36 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

We have a mutual defense pact with Taiwan, even though we don't recognize them as a sovereign country? I'd love to see the diplo-speak that went into that!

We also don't have an embassy there, just a quasi official staff office.

re: #36 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

lets see:dear china,we know that the u.n. won't recognise the island of taiwan(not formosa)as an independent nation,but we agreed to protect them anyway.Fuck with them at your peril.
have a nice day!
signed,U.S.

I love W's surprises.

Again and again he proves that it's not so bad to be misunderestimated.

re: #18 jester6

This "new" cold war will not be like the "old". This one is going to be fought with energy, not armies. Putin has the power to literally turn the heat off in most of the EU. The Russians will beat their chest and make some noises about this but they really do not care.

That's the anticipated move by Put'n. The Euroweenies will not be able to get warm water in their bidets, so the men (I use that term loosely) will cause Sarkozy or whoever is running the EU to bend over and grease up.

re: #52 Ben Hur

BEEEEG SATAN BAD

And the big O is still on vacation...

re: #54 JohnnyReb

We also don't have an embassy there, just a quasi official staff office.

There was quite the flap over our transfer of official recognition from Taiwan to Red China. And many still believe it should not have been done.

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

Putin should listen to what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, that he feared that Japan had awakened the US.

Roughly - "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve."

re: #29 Boondock St. Bender

I knew something like this was going to happen when I heard that Barack Obama was going on vacation in Hawaii. There is just no way that him laying on the beach in a swimsuit isn't going to have huge percussions around the globe. I bet there's at least 50 virgin-births among the press corp in 9 months time.

>

re: #60 Iron Fist

And the big O is still on vacation...

but he ASKED then to have a cease fire !

(I can hear him now ,,, "C'Mon,,,, pretty please! Please stop shooting at each other. If you do, we'll go for ice cream later !"

re: #58 WriterMom

BEEEEG SATAN BAD

Would you consider saying that in a horse whisper?

Yeah. This was in the works already, but I'm sure the Russian moves in Georgia caused the Poles to speed this up. A fellow lizard linked this to e last night:

[Link: www.aviationweek.com...]

It looks like the Georgian Air-defense network was simple and far less networked then other systems. This actually made it tougher to shut down. I think the 1 comment attached at the bottom of the story is very interesting, if true.

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

And I'm sure this system will be designed to deal with missiles from Russia, not just Iran.

Putin should listen to what Yamamoto said after Pearl Harbor, that he feared that Japan had awakened the US.

Actually, I believe he said that he feared Japan had awakened a sleeping giant.

/could be wrong though

re: #42 WriterMom

Golem-were you a Machalnik?

An American veteran of Israel? No.
I have family there. I am a Vietnam veteran, and hooboy did that wake up my young butt. You?

re: #60 Iron Fist

And the big O is still on vacation...

He can take a vacation, he told Putin to stop, and according to Gov. Kaine Putin stopped.

I don't know what everyone is so worried about, Obamessiah solved it all in 6 days and its the 7th day.

///

re: #60 Iron Fist

Its funny, we never hear the end of it when Bush goes on vacation, but when its Obama...not a peep.

I doubt that would change should Obama win the election.

re: #57 Sol Roth

That's a bit graphic, but probably not far removed from the truth.

The more I think on it, the less this seems to be a return the the Cold War and MAD. It is more like the "Great Game" of the nineteenth century where Russia was establishing it's regional dominance in South Central Asia and in Eastern Europe. There's bound to be some small territorial wars/skirmishes but nothing that will escalate to the point where Major Kong is riding the bomb down.

re: #52 Ben Hur

How come everything the US does causes "escalations" and never things like, I don't know, cross border invasions?

Just like Georgia trying to settle things in their OWN COUNTRY is somehow cause for the invasion and subsequent attempted regime change whereas Iraq continually thwarting UN resolutions, bribing officials around the world, shooting at our planes, and continuing forbidden weapons programs is considered 'contained'.

It's only wrong if a free country does it.

Suck it, Ivan!

re: #61 galloping granny

There was quite the flap over our transfer of official recognition
from Taiwan to Red China. And many still believe it should not have
been done.

It was done at the time when China & Russia were at odds. Anything to further weaken the Soviets.

I think Vatican City is one of the few countries that recognizes Taiwan & not Red China.

re: #63 DaChew

I knew something like this was going to happen when I heard that Barack Obama was going on vacation in Hawaii. There is just no way that him laying on the beach in a swimsuit isn't going to have huge percussions around the globe. I bet there's at least 50 virgin-births among the press corp in 9 months time.

First you'd have to find virgins in the press corp... good luck with that... the way they've been screwing the country since way back when I 'spect you ain't gonna...

Here is a great article named "Putinism" that Leon Aron published at the American Enterprise Institute a couple of months ago.

Key excerpt to mail to any leftists you know who are ambivalent about Georgia and Putin:

Yet for many of those who persist in trying to influence national politics, repression, although select, is real, systematic, and pitiless. Under Putinism, opponents are portrayed as contemptible traitors who wish their country ill. As Putin stated at a pre-election rally last November:

Those who oppose us . . . have totally different tasks and different visions of Russia. They need a weak, sick state. They need a disorganized and disoriented society--in order to make their deals behind our back, in order to receive nice payoffs at our expense. And, unfortunately, there are still those who look for crumbs [Putin used the verb shakalit, or "looks for food jackal-like"] near foreign embassies, foreign diplomatic missions, [and who] count on the support of foreign foundations and governments, not the support of their own people.[8]

Unsanctioned demonstrations--and virtually all demonstrations by the opposition are routinely disallowed--are often suppressed with shocking brutality.[9] Several opposition activists have been physically assailed and some beaten unconscious. They and members of their families are harassed at home and on the streets and brought up on false criminal charges. Weapons and drugs are planted on them, and they are accused of "assaulting" and "injuring" police officers, espionage, and "extremism."[10] In violation of the progressive 2001 Criminal Procedural Code, bail is routinely denied, and pretrial detention--which Russian and international human rights organizations repeatedly compare to torture--can last for months or even years. The use of punitive psychiatry has been renewed, and several members of the opposition in the past year have been forcibly committed to psychiatric wards.[11] Human rights activists estimate that there are dozens of political prisoners in Russia today.[12]

re: #62 Son of the Black Dog

Roughly - "I fear we have awakened a sleeping giant, and filled him with a terrible resolve."

Well, I think we went back to bed. (9/11 only caused us to hit the snooze button) I'm afraid that this time our core society and principles have been compromised by the fifth column over the last few decades. It's a long road to recovery and getting back out of bed without being apologetic.

re: #62 Son of the Black Dog

That's what people said after 9/11. But, this time the sleeping giant hit the snooze button.

Hey, we can call it the new and improved Warsaw pact!

re: #68 Golem Akbar

An American veteran of Israel? No.
I have family there. I am a Vietnam veteran, and hooboy did that wake up my young butt. You?

Yes.

She can wake up your butt.

I still say, a good read on this subject is the newest Daniel Silva book Moscow Rules. Russia is baaaack, big time.

re: #77 Egfrow

Gee-great minds DO think alike.

re: #27 CIA Reject

Don't forget roulette.

Revolvers for industry

re: #75 anotherindyfilmguy

First you'd have to find virgins in the press corp... good luck with that... the way they've been screwing the country since way back when I 'spect you ain't gonna...

Chris Matthews is gonna be a Momma!

re: #79 Silhouette

That's just gonna piss'em off even more.

re: #63 DaChew

I
knew something like this was going to happen when I heard that Barack
Obama was going on vacation in Hawaii. There is just no way that him
laying on the beach in a swimsuit isn't going to have huge percussions
around the globe. I bet there's at least 50 virgin-births among the
press corp in 9 months time.

I don't think there's that many virgins in the press corp.

re: #27 CIA Reject

Russians play chess.

Americans play poker.

Welcome to the table Vlad....

IIRC, poker players at Yale quickly learned not to try to bluff GWB.

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Chris Matthews is gonna be a Momma!

I still think that tingling down his leg was nothing more that the fat guy's sciatica.

re: #81 Golem Akbar

I still say, a good read on this subject is the newest Daniel Silva book Moscow Rules. Russia is baaaack, big time.

I almost bought that yesterday. Since I am busily ordering a couple hundred bucks worth of school books today anyway, I'll have Amazon send one along.

re: #65 Ben Hur

Horse whisper? You are kinky.

(hoarse?)

re: #85 calcajun

That's just gonna piss'em off even more.

That was the sole reason for suggesting it!

Needlessly provocative! Failure of diplomacy! Neocon saber-rattling!

/Just providing free talking points to Kos, in case he's busy with stuff

re: #80 Ben Hur

Yes.

She can wake up your butt.

I have another kind of answer for that, but I am really trying hard to be good...

[I need to find a good boob thread...]

re: #90 WriterMom

Horse whisper? You are kinky.

(hoarse?)

OMG!

re: #87 Son of the Black Dog

IIRC, poker players at Yale quickly learned not to try to bluff GWB.

Don't play Texas Hold 'Em with a Texan.

"What's the big deal if Russia tries to take back Poland? How's that any different from the United States forcing the Confederacy back into the Union?"

/The Clueless

re: #94 Ben Hur

It was YOUR typo! Own up.

re: #97 WriterMom

It was YOUR typo! Own up.

I need to take good, long look in the mirror!

re: #87 Son of the Black Dog

re: #95 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So I've heard.

Hope it's true...

What can Putin do about it? Where will he strike out against the US in retaliation?

Russia may not be able to tolerate this any more then the US could tolerate missiles in Cuba.

BenHur and Golem:

Back to Russia and Putin and Poland, please!

re: #100 MandyManners

What can Putin do about it? Where will he strike out against the US in retaliation?

Via proxy. Lots of Ropers in Russia just looking for something to blow up...

re: #71 calcajun

That's a bit graphic, but probably not far removed from the truth.

The more I think on it, the less this seems to be a return the the Cold War and MAD. It is more like the "Great Game" of the nineteenth century where Russia was establishing it's regional dominance in South Central Asia and in Eastern Europe. There's bound to be some small territorial wars/skirmishes but nothing that will escalate to the point where Major Kong is riding the bomb down.

Sorry, I tend to let the manboy run amok at times :).

We don't know what historical parallel will more closely align until after the chess pieces are finished moving. If anything, history proves we must be ready for whatever Poot'n or Dr. Strangelove can throw at us.

re: #98 Ben Hur

Like Mr. Ed said to John Kerry "What's with the long face?"

re: #75 anotherindyfilmguy

First you'd have to find virgins in the press corp... good luck with that... the way they've been screwing the country since way back when I 'spect you ain't gonna...

I'm quite sure Helen Thomas is still a virgin !

*GASP*

*SPUTTER*

*VOMIT*

re: #103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Oh go on...Putin setting up a Muslim to bomb American interests? That's CRAAAAAZY.

re: #60 Iron Fist

And the big O is still on vacation...

His brain has been on vacation for a long, long time.
I think you should have used the numeral, instead of the letter, though.

beyond that of NATO — to come to each other’s assistance in case of danger.

I call bullshit.

re: #45 BIG

The Russian economy could not long suffer the loss of hard currency from Western Europe that cutting off gas supplies would mean.

re: #109 Ben Hur

I call bullshit.

Absolutely

re: #107 WriterMom

Oh go on...Putin setting up a Muslim to bomb American interests? That's CRAAAAAZY.

That was sarcasm, right?

Cause I know that you know that all Pali terror groups were invented and supported by the USSR, right?

Please?

OT - Hillary Rodham Clinton's name will be placed in nomination along with nominee-in-waiting Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention

Are the other candidates that ran usually placed in nomination? I thought they were - one vote where each delegate places their vote according to the primaries, then another vote where they all agree to vote for the winner.

re: #64 sattv4u2

>

but he ASKED then to have a cease fire !

(I can hear him now ,,, "C'Mon,,,, pretty please! Please stop shooting at each other. If you do, we'll go for ice cream shaved ice later !"

After all, he is in Hawaii.

re: #113 Silhouette

OT - Hillary Rodham Clinton's name will be placed in nomination along with nominee-in-waiting Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention

Are the other candidates that ran usually placed in nomination? I thought they were - one vote where each delegate places their vote according to the primaries, then another vote where they all agree to vote for the winner.

yeah, I can't wait for John Edawrds and mike Gravel to have their names placed !

re: #112 Ben Hur

That was sarcasm, right?

Cause I know that you know that all Pali terror groups were invented and supported by the USSR, right?

And Baider-Meinhoff. And The Red Brigades, Red Army of Japan, etc.

re: #114 Cygnus

After all, he is in Hawaii.

they don't have ice cream in Hawaii? Global Warmings fault ?

I read that beautiful Krauthammer article about pushing back to Russia. I want to add a few thoughts about this. In particular, just last week Putin as said he want's to start pushing back into Cuba, I assume this was the only warning we got form him about is intentions of expansion and should be heeded. Cuba is a thorn on our side and has been since Kennedy was to weak to push over this fruit stand in 1963 during the Cuban Missle crisis and Bay of Pigs, Now we have a dictatorship sitting 90 miles off our coast while we try to establish democracy halfway around the world, Let's clean this mess up now. Cuba should be taken, and encourage the Colombians to take out Hugo Chavez, This is a failed portion of the Monroe Doctrine, Too much Communist influence in our hemisphere, still did not go away even after the dissolving of the Soviet Union. Now we are moving back to WWI politics in Europe.

OMG -- History Repeats itself. It was a Mutual Defense pact with Poland that brought England into WWII.

re: #112 Ben Hur

I know they supported the Palestinians financially and spiritually. But they don't exactly love the Muslims. I just can't imagine Putin mixing up that kind of a cocktail...the toxicity of it, to get to America. I actually think he's dictatorial enough to come up with a more direct method and be more "honest" about it.

WARSAW, Poland - Poland and the United States reached an agreement Thursday that will see a battery of American missiles established inside Poland, a plan that has infuriated Russia and raised the specter of an escalation of tension with the region’s communist-era master

Enough to make Obama soil his linen, or his Lenin.

It is so sad, and so telling about present day Israel, that they don't take advantage of the preoccupied World to destroy Hamas- who sooner or later- in a likely less opportune time- they will have to face.

re: #117 sattv4u2

they don't have ice cream in Hawaii? Global Warmings fault ?

No cows in Hawaii.

re: #113 Silhouette

OT - Hillary Rodham Clinton's name will be placed in nomination along with nominee-in-waiting Barack Obama at the Democratic National Convention

Are the other candidates that ran usually placed in nomination? I thought they were - one vote where each delegate places their vote according to the primaries, then another vote where they all agree to vote for the winner.

It's called Barry's an idiot and Hillary is going to make her move.

I just mentioned yesterday about this!

re: #113 Silhouette

It makes me wonder, is she going to come out with guns blazing?

If this situation is still burning hot during the time of the convention, I wonder if the Clintons don't have a scorched earth policy of their own.

re: #100 MandyManners

What can Putin do about it? Where will he strike out against the US in retaliation?

Send more weapons into the ME to stir things up again.

Blake beat Federer at the Olympics.

#56 UberInfidel67 :: Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 12:20:26 pm
Does anybody here think that this is one of the reasons Russia doesn't want the missle defense shields in eastern Europe? Would these shields put a stop to their nefarious plans for the region?

re: #123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No cows in Hawaii.

There's lots of cows at the Parker Ranch on the Big Island.

re: #116 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

And every other crack pot leftist, Marxist "peace" and "justice" movement and assorted lefty politicians everywhere in the western world. But like I said-using Muslims as his vehicle to attack American interests just seems to me even too crazy for Putin. I could be wrong of course.

Great news! The Poles have always been very Westernized, had their country betrayed during WWII, and still fought on for freedom. Since they threw off the yoke of the Soviets, they have been great allies, and friends, about time we did something for them!

Jeszcze Polska nie zginęła !

re: #123 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

No cows in Hawaii.

aahh,,, c'mon. i'm sure Rosie O or Michael Moore has vacationed there ! ?

re: #131 WriterMom

But like I said-using Muslims as his vehicle to attack American interests just seems to me even too crazy for Putin.

Plus, he's ultimately a lot more vulnerable on that front than we are.

re: #132 Czarny_Smok

as ivan putski would say:POLISH POWER!

Is zombie around?

LOLcat can see him/her/it. Just not sure which one.

re: #129 UberInfidel67

O-yeah....

re: #106 ruexperienced

I'm quite sure Helen Thomas is still a virgin !

*GASP*

*SPUTTER*

*VOMIT*

I should put that picture up on my fridge as a diet aid. I'd lose a million pounds!

re: #101 Opinionated

The difference being that these are defensive missiles, not tactical nukes, but your point is still a valid one.

re: #118 Egfrow

Thanks for the link.
Here's a quote:

"1. Suspend the NATO-Russia Council established in 2002 to help bring Russia closer to the West. Make clear that dissolution will follow suspension. The council gives Russia a seat at the NATO table. Message: Invading neighboring democracies forfeits the seat."

Blimey - I never knew that!
Must be done, immediately!

re: #133 sattv4u2

No-way man. The islands would have sunk. (-:

re: #134 Occasional Reader

Plus, he's ultimately a lot more vulnerable on that front than we are.

Which is why Putin would rather pay them off to go attack the Great Satan than his government. It's how the Saudis roll.

re: #135 Boondock St. Bender

as ivan putski would say:POLISH POWER!

Wow, I haven't heard that name in a loooooong time.

/it's main even wrestling, from the northside coliseum in fort worth, texas!

re: #130 Cygnus

There's lots of cows at the Parker Ranch on the Big Island.

I believe Parker is one the largest private cattle ranches in the U.S.

re: #141 Dustoff-507

No-way man. The islands would have sunk. (-:

well ,, if they were there ,,m they would have sTunk !

re: #140 yma o hyd

Thanks for the link.
Here's a quote:

"1. Suspend the NATO-Russia Council established in 2002 to help bring Russia closer to the West. Make clear that dissolution will follow suspension. The council gives Russia a seat at the NATO table. Message: Invading neighboring democracies forfeits the seat."

Blimey - I never knew that!
Must be done, immediately!

The next week should bring news of the actions being taken today. I suspect this is one of them.

re: #138 Cygnus

OOOOOOOOO-that's just wrong. Someone really beat her bad with an ugly stick!

re: #134 Occasional Reader

That's what I mean...I think he's a power hungry Tsar wannabe, but he's not "Mahdi" crazy.

DA?

re: #143 Ward Cleaver

Wow, I haven't heard that name in a loooooong time.

/it's main even wrestling, from the northside coliseum in fort worth, texas!

Chief Jay Strongbow & Kerry Von Erich are also on the bill!

re: #110 bulwrk

The Russian economy could not long suffer the loss of hard currency from Western Europe that cutting off gas supplies would mean.

So it is a win on all fronts. The Russian economy collapses and the Europeans freeze. I don't see a downside.

re: #126 formercorpsman

More Dem convention news: Al Jazeera will be there as well. (Via Michelle Malkin)

re: #149 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Chief Jay Strongbow & Kerry Von Erich are also on the bill!

SEE ,, Obama was RIGHT ,,, he DOESN'T look like those others on the bill!

I guess I see the Hillary thing oppositely that the rest of you. Rather than forewarning of some Clinton attack, I thought that the multiple news stories on the wire right now were just extra coverage for the Dems on a non-story. I rather thought the other candidate was always on the ballot for the first vote, and this is just an excuse to get two or three more Obama stories on the front page.

On yahoo news right now, the top stories in politics are:

Hillary Clinton's name to be placed in nomination
(Photo of Hilllary and Obama)

Obama camp says Detroit mayor unwelcome in Denver
Play of the Day: Meghan McCain's bio for kids
Obama targets Olympic audience with economic TV ad
Keynote speaker today, nominee tomorrow?

There is some other guy running, right? Oh look, they ran a story on Mrs. McCain, so that's "balance" I guess.

re: #103 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Via proxy. Lots of Ropers in Russia just looking for something to blow up...

Beslan?

re: #138 Cygnus

It's Helen Thomas! I was afraid to click the link. The thought of her naked...Gah! It's as bad as Goatse!

Well, almost as bad! Gah! I need brain bleach!

re: #150 BIG

Didn't they use to burn cow dung?

The Russians will respond by encouraging Iran to make life more difficult for the US in Iraq- in exchange the Russians will speed up weapon sales and will hinder any efforts to curtail Iran's' nuke activity.

Russia's chickens are coming home to roost!

re: #157 Opinionated

The Moscow-Tehran Axis.

OT:

Would You Like Fries With That?

re: #153 Silhouette

I really cannot believe they go with such cr*p, when the fate of nations is hanging in the balance!

Sorry about that big expression 'fate of nations' - but thats what it feels like, for me.

re: #156 Dustoff-507

Didn't they use to burn cow dung?

Only to make perfume.

We need to get our troops out of Western Europe. The 60+ year quagmire must come to an end.

re: #139 Bubblehead II

The difference being that these are defensive missiles, not tactical nukes, but your point is still a valid one.

I just read that. It does change the equation. But my guess is that the Russians will act as if there is no distinction.

re: #155 Iron Fist

It's Helen Thomas! I was afraid to click the link. The thought of her naked...Gah! It's as bad as Goatse!

Well, almost as bad! Gah! I need brain bleach!

Why did you have to say 'the thought of her naked'? I was eating!

re: #60 Iron Fist

And the big O is still on vacation...

Hawaii Jive-O

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

The Moscow-Tehran Axis.

Them Russian bastards have been directly contributing to American deaths in Iran.

Time for payback.

re: #142 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Which is why Putin would rather pay them off to go attack the Great Satan than his government. It's how the Saudis roll.

Very dangerous game for him. The jihadis have already gotten a taste of bear flesh in the past.

re: #159 Honorary Yooper

If you really want to freak us out, add Mecca into the mix.

re: #119 soccerdad

OMG -- History Repeats itself. It was a Mutual Defense pact with Poland that brought England into WWII.

I rather think it was Hitler's aggression that brought England into WWII. And firm moves like this by England (and France) earlier in the game might have put an end to Hitler's ambitions altogether.

This is so 1938.

re: #157 Opinionated

I don't know that Iran can make life more difficult for us in Iraq. It seems to me that they are already doing all they can. And Russia is already helping them with their nuke program. I doubt the Russians would just give them nukes. There would be consequences for Russia to do more than she is on the Iranian front.

re: #165 Colonel Panik

Hawaii Jive-O

Barry O

sen.obama,what is your veiw on whats happening in georgia and bush' promise to poland?
do you mind if i finsh my waffle?

re: #157 Opinionated

The Russians will respond by encouraging Iran to make life more difficult for the US in Iraq- in exchange the Russians will speed up weapon sales and will hinder any efforts to curtail Iran's' nuke activity.

Well - I'm not so sure about that.
Pootie has his hands full, Bush's reaction must have thrown him and he cannot afford to take his eyes off the Georgian and now Polish balls.
Tough cookies, Iran, you're back to third-rank problems now as far as Pootie is concerned.

Also - lets not forget that the rest of the world, Iran included, will have studied Bush's response very carfully, and I'm sure quite a few of the more villainous ones have had a pretty strong reality check.

Must See -

Found the link for the American Enterprise Institute panel on Georgia that was broadcast on CSPAN yesterday.

rtsp[Link: video1.c-span.org...]

It is a 1 hour and 40 minute long video that requires Real Player (it is streamed), but the Fred Kagan remarks starting at 3:30 should not be missed, although Ralph Peters afterward is great as is the Army LT Col afterward and Leon Aron.

One has to wonder if even in the Liberal media there are enough American citizens who actually have the brains to be concerned and if the tone of Obama's coverage will change to emphasize his total lack of qualification to face an even more dangerous world.

This is eerily reminiscent of 1939.

Good news. The US showing some backbone and standing with Poland. It's positive to see attitudes changing now that The Russian Bear is back and on the prowl hunting for victims.

Russia is furious? Well, we're getting furious over their occupation of Georgia, so "F" them.

re: #3 Kosh's Shadow

Hear, hear. It's time the US Eagle started to wake and wise up. Walk softly and carry a big stick.

re: #171 Iron Fist

I don't know that Iran can make life more difficult for us in Iraq.

And of course, what they could do is act blatantly enough for us to (finally) strike back.

re: #173 Boondock St. Bender

sen.obama,what is your veiw on whats happening in georgia and bush' promise to poland?
do you mind if i finsh my waffle?

"I know there are many PO people in the LAND of Georgia. Some are in Atlanta and some are in the farm areas. I will make sure those people in that 57th state are taken care of"

Does Senator Obama's Sub-committee on European Affairs have anything to say about this?

re: #181 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Does Senator Obama's Sub-committee on European Affairs have anything to say about this?

they're conducting a meeting at IHOP over waffles

re: #151 Fat Jolly Penguin

On Aug. 28, the day of Barack Obama's speech, an al-Jazeera crew will broadcast from a bar near Invesco Field at Mile High, Golden officials said.

/I thought alcohol was forbidden by islam

re: #175 karmic_inquisitor

That link is squirrely - the rtsp has to be in the front of it.

Try it here

re: #173 Boondock St. Bender

sen.obama,what is your veiw on whats happening in georgia and bush' promise to poland?
do you mind if i finsh my waffle?

What we need to do in Georgia is to bridge the gap between po' land and rich land by building on hope and change.

re: #180 sattv4u2

"I know there are many PO people in the LAND of Georgia. Some are in Atlanta and some are in the farm areas. I will make sure those people in that 57th state are taken care of"

I thought New Orleans was po' land.

The liberal left was as pissed about this Missile Defense plan as the Russians were. Perhaps LLL will come to their senses after the resent events unfolding in Georgia...but I doubt it.

Hey moonbats, Poland's not stupid...it's called insuring self preservation.!

re: #153 Silhouette

i dont' know alot about it, but i believe it was because dem elite were trying to block her on ballet. they wanted obama and that was that

re: #169 Tigger2005
france had to stand up.all the brits had was the royal navy(powerful and effective,but not land based)during the neg.over czec.the royal air force was still consisted of a majority of bi-planes.The british could have given support,it was up to france to do the heavy lifting.Heavy lifting has nothing to do with making rich and creamy sauces.

re: #183 Bubblehead II

On Aug. 28, the day of Barack Obama's speech, an al-Jazeera crew will broadcast from a bar near Invesco Field at Mile High, Golden officials said.

/I thought alcohol was forbidden by islam

OTOH, Mohammad Atta drank like a fish.

re: #187 jorline

Perhaps LLL will come to their senses

[wiping tears of laughter from eyes]

Dude, stop it! Yer killin' me!

re: #177 Ojoe

This is eerily reminiscent of 1939.

Well, the guns started blazing in August 1914 for WWI; and September 1, 1939 for WWII. The summer seems to be a big time to start wars. Most wars I can think of have typically started sometime from May 15th through the end of September in the Northern Hemisphere, north of the tropics.

re: #179 Occasional Reader

That's what I mean. We've already got casus beli if we really want to go there. Why make a point of it to the extent we can't ignore it? Iran can't really believe they'd fare any better than Iraq against the American War Machine. The reasons we haven't squashed them like a bug are all political.

re: #169 Tigger2005

I rather think it was Hitler's aggression that brought England into WWII. And firm moves like this by England (and France) earlier in the game might have put an end to Hitler's ambitions altogether.

Clearly, it was England's decision to stand by Poland that provoked the Germans into invading their eastern neighbor. And if the US hadn't aggressively landed at Iwo Jima, the Japanese never would have felt it necessary to defensively attack Pearl Harbor.

/channeling moonbat historian

re: #183 Bubblehead II

On Aug. 28, the day of Barack Obama's speech, an al-Jazeera crew will broadcast from a bar near Invesco Field at Mile High, Golden officials said.

/I thought alcohol was forbidden by islam

Alcohol consumption is OK if you're engaged in tequila.

Off for real japanese ramen, laters

FNC said AP said that the Georgian president said that there are 100 Russian tanks are moving deeper into Georgia.

Being 1/2 Polack I think I am going to celebrate this with a bottle of Chopin Vodka.

re: #194 Kenneth

Don't get them started on D-day.

re: #181 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Does Senator Obama's Sub-committee on European Affairs have anything to say about this?

Yes. Here is their statement:

Our comrades are very brave in seeking to right the wrongs committed many years ago by the racist, slave owning state of Georgia.

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HOPE the russians are satisfied with only georgia,AND a CHANGE of regime.

re: #192 Honorary Yooper

Well, the guns started blazing in August 1914 for WWI; and September 1, 1939 for WWII. The summer seems to be a big time to start wars. Most wars I can think of have typically started sometime from May 15th through the end of September in the Northern Hemisphere, north of the tropics.

Heat makes some really cranky.

re: #186 Know Your Enemy

I thought New Orleans was po' land.

They do have good po'boys.

re: #184 karmic_inquisitor

Well that didn't work either.

Try it from the cspan site

It is under Recent Programs named "American Enterprise Institute Panel on Russia & Georgia Military Conflict (August 13, 2008)"

re: #202 MandyManners

Heat makes some really cranky.

not to mention the chafing in the inner thighs

re: #202 MandyManners

Heat makes some really cranky.

So, Gold Bond medicated powder is the key to world peace?

re: #203 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

They do have good po'boys.

RACIST!

/

re: #200 Racer X

heck they are waiting for Bush's , McCains comments before commiting themselves to one.

re: #194 Kenneth

Only a Kremlin stooge would blame Pearl Harbor on Japan. ;)

re: #192 Honorary Yooper

Well, the guns started blazing in August 1914 for WWI; and September 1, 1939 for WWII. The summer seems to be a big time to start wars. Most wars I can think of have typically started sometime from May 15th through the end of September in the Northern Hemisphere, north of the tropics.

Tonight's forecast: partly cloudy with intermittent artillery barrages, temperatures in the low to mid 70's...

weirod..

re: #206 Silhouette

So, Gold Bond medicated powder is the key to world peace?

Two words:

Air Conditioning.

re: #205 sattv4u2

not to mention the chafing in the inner thighs

re: #206 Silhouette

So, Gold Bond medicated powder is the key to world peace?

Too funny.

re: #198 Colonel Panik

Belveder is rather fine too!

Good on Poland and the U.S. Jester6 has it right, the new cold war will be fought differently than the old cold war, but some of the same old psy-ops are still as vital strategically.

As Bobby Fischer and Reagan knew - you have to make some moves that inspire shock, awe, and outrage to keep your opponent preoccupied and off balance. Russia thought it had the edge psychologically with their 'we're back' gambit, but Poland and the U.S. are calling them on it.

re: #206 Silhouette

So, Gold Bond medicated powder is the key to world peace?

I prefer Idaho potatoes over world peas

re: #198 Colonel Panik

Being 1/2 Polack I think I am going to celebrate this with a bottle of Chopin Vodka.

Chopin Vodka? Hope you can Handel it.

re: #119 soccerdad

OMG -- History Repeats itself. It was a Mutual Defense pact with Poland that brought England into WWII.

For the love of God, man; don't tell that to Pat Buchanan. Don't give him anything that might validate his thesis.

re: #199 Silhouette

No war for sausages!

re: #163 Opinionated

And you would be correct. They have been bitching about this since it was first proposed. Iirc, they have even threatened to increase the number of missiles pointed in that direction to counter the *threat* these missile pose.

Quick OT if I may; I got this reply from a well-meaning, although confused man when I told him that Sudan has brought 10's of thousands of Arabs over from neighboring countries;

Interesting report , that is new information for me, but I still wonder why the powers that control Sudan prefer the arabs from Chad and Niger as a population? It can't be religion since the vast majority of victims are Muslim also... is it race? Clan? I wonder what the land tenure arrangements are for the new-comers... are the land arrangements significantly different than for the old polulation? Who controls the land now - I wonder...?

Does anyone have a good handle on the % of refugees who are Christian or Animist? I know it's simple racism but I'd like to back it up. I also know they hold non-Arab (or Persian) muslims in lower regard.

re: #181 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Does Senator Obama's Sub-committee on European Affairs have anything to say about this?

One of his many mouthpieces has written an op-ed that's posted on Rasmussen Reports. Joe Conason of the New York Observer bashes McCain pretty good in the article and then throws this tidbit in there....

"Are we telling them [Russia] they cannot just invade a country they dislike, without international sanction, because they feel threatened?"

Yeah, like Georgia was just about ready to invade Russia proper in July when Russian paratroopers were running drills on the north side of the mountains, prepositioining all their equipment in the event Georgia attacked.

The more of these pacts, the better, Rush through Georgia's NATO membership too.

Anything that will Piss off Putana.

Zero on the Osteen case. HA!

re: #192 Honorary Yooper

Well,
the guns started blazing in August 1914 for WWI; and September 1, 1939
for WWII. The summer seems to be a big time to start wars. Most wars I
can think of have typically started sometime from May 15th through the
end of September in the Northern Hemisphere, north of the tropics.

I pointed that out the other day. The Gulf of Tonkin was in the first week of August, as was the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

Don Rumsfeld must be smiling

re: #209 experiencedtraveller

Only a Kremlin stooge would blame Pearl Harbor on Japan. ;)

Yep, looks like Comrade Kennethski just got his latest marching orders from Moscow.

I'll bet it involves moose and squirrel, too.

re: #186 Know Your Enemy

I thought New Orleans was po' land.

Nah. dat' Chicagah. Down in da Nint' Ward, wes gots ya Eye-talians, blacks, sum V-etnamese but no Poles.

re: #216 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Chopin Vodka? Hope you can Handel it.

Drink too much, and you'll start to Liszt to one side.

re: #212 MandyManners

Too funny.

Remember the ad they used to run: 'I had an itchy, itchy rash'?

re: #223 MandyManners

Zero on the Osteen case. HA!

As in dismissed?

re: #218 Kenneth

No War for Polka!

re: #216 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Looks like the puns are Bach.

re: #216 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Chopin Vodka? Hope you can Handel it.

Or it may make you Liszt-less.

re: #228 Occasional Reader

Drink too much, and you'll start to Liszt to one side.

A pun that bad sends me into Hayden.

re: #226 Occasional Reader

The real Kremlin stooge, revealed:

Moe was born Moses Harry Horwitz in the Brooklyn, New York neighborhood of Brownsville to Solomon Horwitz and Jennie Gorovitz. He was the fourth of the five Horwitz brothers and of Levite and Lithuanian Jewish ancestry. In his younger years, he got the nickname Moe. Although his parents were not involved in show business, Moe, his older brother Samuel, and younger brother Jerome, all eventually became world-famous as members of the Three Stooges.

re: #232 Iron Fist

Looks like the puns are Bach.

There are a few here, but the other thread is where the Mozart.

re: #190 Ward Cleaver

But he was undercover, therefore it was allowable. These guys are out in the open.

re: #231 WriterMom

No War for Polka!

No War for Accordians!

re: #229 Cygnus

Remember the ad they used to run: 'I had an itchy, itchy rash'?

No, I don't. Those headache commercials have burned part of my memory.

re: #198 Colonel Panik

Being 1/2 Polack I think I am going to celebrate this with a bottle of Chopin Vodka.

You may want to try Belvedere too, makes wonderful martinis! BTW, I'm all Polack, but also a US Army Vet.

Sto Lat!

re: #232 Iron Fist

NOOOOO!,we left them in the last thread!

re: #230 CommonCents

As in dismissed?

The jury told the FA to kiss off.

This composer-related punning could lead to a whole Holst of problems.

Pres. Bush looked awfully worried at the CIA.

No War for Wodka?

re: #243 Occasional Reader

No more puns please. I can't handle the Strauss.

re: #216 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Chopin Vodka? Hope you can Handel it.

As opposed to Chapin Vodka, which you drink in a taxi.

re: #235 Kenneth

The real Kremlin stooge, revealed:

Moe was born Moses Harry Horwitz in the Brooklyn, New York neighborhood of Brownsville to Solomon Horwitz and Jennie Gorovitz. He was the fourth of the five Horwitz brothers and of Levite and Lithuanian Jewish ancestry. In his younger years, he got the nickname Moe. Although his parents were not involved in show business, Moe, his older brother Samuel, and younger brother Jerome, all eventually became world-famous as members of the Three Stooges.

A few years ago I went on a Halloween ghost tour of Philadelphia. The tour guide was pointing out various historical landmarks & so forth, when as an aside, she pointed across the street & said "That's where Larry from the Three Stooges was born." Every man in the tour ran across the street to do homage to his birthplace.

re: #246 paradox42

Makes you Liszt-less?

re: #102 WriterMom

BenHur and Golem:

Back to Russia and Putin and Poland, please!

With pleasure....pant...pant...
Yes, as I said, it is a dangerous neighborhood. Obama and the no-war democrats can't see that. We are very spoiled here in the US. President Bush has been too successful in stopping terrorism in the US, and to many Americans, that means there is no terrorism. The truth is that he sees how rough a world it is, and that there are many enemies of freedom out there. He deserves credit for that.

re: #206 Silhouette

So, Gold Bond medicated powder is the key to world peace?

Yes - and A/C for all.

re: #246 paradox42

No more puns please. I can't handle the Strauss.

You'll just have to find a Copeland mechanism.

re: #247 Who Watches the Watchmen?

OH HO! Nice.

re: #246 paradox42

No more puns please. I can't handle the Strauss.

They're composer puns, combined with alcohol puns... which is really a kind of Bartok, when you think about it.

re: #247 Who Watches the Watchmen?

As opposed to Chapin Vodka, which you drink in a taxi.

Not at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, you don't.

I'm struggling to find a good Shostakovich pun.

re: #158 Know Your Enemy

Russia's chickensssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss are coming home to roost!

Better.

re: #236 Silhouette

There are a few here, but the other thread is where the Mozart.

I've often wondered: if Iona Brown had married Harrison Ford would she have been known as "Iona Brown Ford"?

/worst of both pun threads....

re: #192 Honorary Yooper

Well, the guns started blazing in August 1914 for WWI; and September 1, 1939 for WWII. The summer seems to be a big time to start wars. Most wars I can think of have typically started sometime from May 15th through the end of September in the Northern Hemisphere, north of the tropics.

Our Civil War started in April 1861 - it gets hot early in the South.

Span Am- started in April - a hot month in DC.

We declared war on Germany in WWI in April.

Lexington and Concord were in April.

War of 1812 declared in June

Mexican American War declared in May.

Yep, weird stuff happens in the hot months. Maybe it's because they want wars over by Christmas.

I've been Beethoven the head with these puns

re: #248 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Ask any real man who he most admires, and his list will invariably include Einstein, Joe DiMagio & Moe Howard.

From the New York Post: An article by renown columnist and
historian Ralph Peters.

A CZAR IS BORN: BAD VLAD WINS WAR, DUPES WEST & PROVES HE'S GENIUS

re: #238 Cygnus

Lawrence Welk versus the World!

re: #242 MandyManners

The jury told the FA to kiss off.

Sweeet.