Best news in two weeks.

Maybe they should wear a blue beret?

giving soldiers a free hand to kill without being sure they were not firing on journalists.

Just show your press badge.

Well, if you are just going to make stuff up and hand in you fauxtography, is there any reason to go there anyway?

Somehow I think reuters will be selective with this. Russia will get a pass.

Reuters said on Wednesday it was deeply disturbed by a conclusion that severely curtails the freedom of the media to cover the conflict by effectively giving soldiers a free hand to kill without being sure they were not firing on journalists.

If your afraid to go to the battlefield, keep your cowardly asses at home. Nobody is going to stop shooting because a reporter is on the field, thats just stupid.

Reuters discovers the effectiveness of soft diplomacy.

make absolutely sure there are no journalists in the war zone

There are no reuters journalists.

Journalists report the news.

Reuters agents create the news, and aid the enemy in the process.

There is no journalism in a reuters journalist

Maybe we should have a "Half Time" during every battle. The reporters could run out on the battlefield and get statements and photos, and it would give Bud some time to run some ads.

Gee! I bet Reuters would have loved to say that in front of the Russians covering the Georgian war. However, since publishing sh*t like that against US and Israel is a riskless exercise, but doing so against Russia can be very costly, Reuters decides to take a low-risk approach.

That's ripe! That's like the guy selling weed in Oakland who whined when busted by the feds, "but we're a club!" Yeah, no shit, a club is where people get together and have fun, and if you have fun with an illegal substance, you might get busted. Modern journalists are like modern artists -- anybody can do what they do if you don't have to put in time at a real job.

i hate to see this.. with no Journalists to kill.. soldiers might have to shoot at each other.. that could make a very bad situation.

Don't you realize how important journalists are? Perhaps you can stop the fighting so the photog can stage the perfect shot.

Your news is just entertainment to sell advertising.

re: #2 Walter L. Newton

maybe they should just get the hell out of the way

Maybe a warzone should be considered dangerous. Those guys weren't taking those tanks on a fishing trip. This is like wandering through a riot reading a paper, and then wondering how you got glass in your face.

It looks like the Socialist Ideologies have bled into our intelligence services almost at every level because the Level of Socialist thinking in our government at all levels is utterly disturbing. This includes the MSM. The KGB apparatus has been very effective with sympethizers in this country to a scary level. CIA agent like Valarie Plane is probably the norm and not the exception. This apparatus is pulling the noose around freedom slowly and little by little.

Reuters should probably have an office in the Pentagon so they can better plan where to stand when the military decides to do its job of killing people and breaking things. Tools.

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

Maybe we should have a "Half Time" during every battle. The reporters could run out on the battlefield and get statements and photos, and it would give Bud some time to run some ads.

But that's what the Super Bowl is for!

This is a joke right? No one could make this stuff up for real.

re: #22 Bobibutu

This is a joke right? No one could make this stuff up for real.

Welcome to reality.....

We don't have to worry about Vlad the Poisoner's vodka drunken drones hurting journalists.

Reuters said on Wednesday it was deeply disturbed...

Can't argue with that.

re: #23 goofeeem

Welcome to reality.....

Stop the world! I want off ... now!

Charles, thanks for the HT.

Says the Reuters head honcho:

"They would appear to take the view that any raising of a camera into position could garner a deadly response."

Not exactly. A straightforward read of the incident would be that pointing a tripod-mounted camera at a tank crew from a far distance could draw a deadly response.

Reuters has apparently never heard of the "Fog of War", but this really shouldn't come as a big shock to them. Even Palestinian kids know not to point their plastic guns at Israeli soldiers.

Just goes to show in a contest between soldiers who shoot and camermen who shoot, the former wins every time.

Does this mean Reuters won't be covering the DNC? Might get caught in the cross fire of the 'brown tone'....

re: #29 solomonpanting

Just goes to show in a contest between soldiers who shoot and camermen who shoot, the former wins every time.

I know how to slove this... ARM THE JOURNALIST! Open season anyone?

#26 MARKX
Reuters said on Wednesday it was deeply disturbed...
"Can't argue with that."
Good one .......

To Reuters: Noted.

re: #28 looking closely

Yeah.

The tank crew was unable to determine the nature of the object mounted on the tripod and positively identify it as an anti-tank missile, a mortar or a television camera," Brigadier General Avihai Mendelblit of the Israel Defence Forces wrote.

First rule in battle and somebody is point unidentified object at you:

Shoot first and ask questions later.

Apparently the shooter couldn't discern a reuters journalist from the enemy.
Go figure!

re: #31 Walter L. Newton

I know how to slove this... ARM THE JOURNALIST! Open season anyone?

PIMF - solve (although the urdan dictionary says slove means "slutty love." I'm ok with that)

Note to reuters : When you ride in cars with terrorists, you might get killed.

then again, when you ride in cars with terrorists, you might be a terrorist

Did Reuters forget that we shouldn't fire when there are green helmets in the war zone as well? We all here at LGF should remember the last time we saw green helmets in the war zone and the part they were playing.

journalist should get out of the war zone if they have a problem w/ getting shot.

Maybe this is just Reuters' legal defense team laying the groundwork for the lawsuit by the dead cameraman's family for sending their employee into a war zone.

Can't we just cut to the chase and nominate these cameramen for a Darwin Award?

so is it ok to respond to attacks, or only if reuters says so?

Journalists in Gaza say they have rarely seen militants wear flak jackets.

So ipso facto, anyone wearing one can't be a terrorist militant?

As I mentioned in the last thread, Palestinian "militants" have been busted using ambulances to transport arms and combatants.

With that in mind, even assuming the Israeli soldiers in that tank could make out the marking on the dress from over 1km away, why should they assume that someone dressed like a journalist actually is?

re: #39 nyc redneck

journalist should get out of the war zone if they have a problem w/ getting shot.

That means people would need to use COMMON SENSE - we haven't had that in years!

Reuters may have noticed that the Russians are not using any rulebooks. The war on Georgia is going to change the battlefield for journalists everywhere.

re: #35 iceman1960

Apparently the shooter couldn't discern a reuters journalist from the enemy.
Go figure!

But the military lawyer cited an attack that killed three IDF soldiers in another part of the enclave earlier in the day, a separate grenade attack on a tank, the fact that Shana and his soundman who was wounded were wearing body armor -- "common to Palestinian terrorists" -- among reasons for suspicion

Yeah, go figure.

A notice from me to Reuters: Eat my shorts.

You know..generally i really respect journalist putting themselves in harms way to report the war.. It does take courage.
If it were me i would be carrying heavy..Sopranos style..
Many unarmed journalists have paid the ultimate price with their lives..
Then we here stories of journalists in with terrorists and reporting falsehoods..spit
But it still doesn't make me admire those brave reporters any less that gave their lives to report facts on the ground..god bless you hero's

In New York, Joel Campagna of the Committee to Protect Journalists said: "These findings mean that a journalist with a camera is at risk of coming under fire and there's not that much that can be done. That's unacceptable.

Aw cram it, you sanctimonious prick. Soldiers sometimes mistakenly kill their own guys. It's called war.

"Don't shoot! I am a non-combata....."
(thud, spurt)

They should take some inspiration from Frank Capra.

Amongst the various shit I have done was stringing for ABC part time back in 70-73 based in Bangkok and romping into VN and Cambodia from time to time.

We got our asses shot at regularly by the Khymer Rouge when we ventured a bit far afield ... don't recall any outrage .. we all stayed in pretty good shape and could run real fast.

re: #49 David Simon

...the Committee to Protect Journalists ...

Now, that's funny.

Wait a second, Russians are shooting at journalists TODAY, and the they are talking about Israeli soldiers.

In New York, Joel Campagna of the Committee to Protect Journalists said: "These findings mean that a journalist with a camera is at risk of coming under fire and there's not that much that can be done. That's unacceptable

OK!OK! Take 5 everyone - we need to shoot some film here......

re: #41 rp1138

Can't we just cut to the chase and nominate these cameramen for a Darwin Award?

Why? Did they evolve, or were they created by generations of hatred?

Good Evening Lizards! It was another beautiful day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today.

So, does al-Reuters want the Mother Nature to refrain from lightening strikes in areas where they have reporters?

How are you-all?

re: #56 solomonpanting

Why? Did they evolve, or were they created by generations of hatred?

It sure wasn't by Intelligent Design.

re: #57 ggt

Good Evening Lizards! It was another beautiful day in the Very Far Western Suburbs of Chicagoland today.

So, does al-Reuters want the Mother Nature to refrain from lightening strikes in areas where they have reporters?

How are you-all?

I'm doing great ggt..good to see you again...

Russian snipers have killed one Georgian TV journalist, and wounded another. The wounded journalist, an attractive, young female speaking into her microphone, was on camera when she was shot. The footage is amazing. As they're dressing her wound, she attempts to continue reporting.

No mention of this in the MSM.

Reuters is doing what it always does when faced with a situation like this. Blame the guy who shot at their reporter. Criticize the decision making process that went into the military finding that the soldier was blameless. Rinse and repeat.

The facts are that this guy was in a battlefield and the tank identified him and his cohorts as a potential bad guy preparing to fire mortars, tows, or other projectiles towards Israel or Israeli military assets. What was the IDF tanker to do? Get out of the tank and ask him face to face even as other areas in the vicinity were taking fire?

It was an unfortunate accident, and if you want a chilling of reporting, you ought to look elsewhere. I think the Russians have chilling of reporting down pat. It's funny how you don't have any reporters inside South Ossetia where the Russian "peacekeepers" are operating, but you have all manner of media outlet running around in what's left of Georgia. Russian soldiers steal Israeli journalists car and possessions, and it was only after a senior officer saw this happen did they get the vehicle back some time later.

Further, when you repeatedly send in stringers and operatives who have an affinity to terror groups, including using their links to send out terror agitprop, you do your readers a grave disservice because you're further the goals of terrorists.

CNN reporter "crooked nose" Michael Ware is now gloating about how the russians are bitchslapping US-backed Georgian troops.

I ask myself why do I even watch CNN?

re: #60 quickjustice

You referring to this?

re: #63 noshariaincanada

If they were truly U.S. backed, the Russians would be eviscerated.

re: #59 HoosierHoops

Thanks!

So instead of complicity with Jihadists, does this mean Reuters will now stay out of the line of fire? Maybe they can become a de facto peacekeeping force, with some responsibilities along with their demands. As I see it, if Reuters embeds itself with the enemies of humankind and some of their "reporters" get killed in the crossfire, that is just the way it is. They should stay out of the way of war or accept the risks of sleeping too close to the enemy. What a bunch of whiners, enabling dangerous situations by providing free propaganda and then making demands when their tactic gets dangerous. They have an agenda behind this, and it's to weaken the ability of the West to defend itself. They sound like CAIR.

re: #64 lawhawk

Yes, although I didn't see it on Ace.

Thanks for the link!

re: #61 lawhawk

There's an item about an Israeli journalist who was shot a number of times (apparently by Russians) in Gori. article here...then Reuters "news" quotes a Russian as saying there were no Russians attacking Gori...

re: #60 quickjustice

Russian snipers have killed one Georgian TV journalist, and wounded another. The wounded journalist, an attractive, young female speaking into her microphone, was on camera when she was shot. The footage is amazing. As they're dressing her wound, she attempts to continue reporting.

No mention of this in the MSM.

She must not have been a reuters reporter, so they don't care.

re: #64 lawhawk

At least three journalists have been killed and nine wounded in the fighting in Georgia since it began last week.

re: #48 HoosierHoops

You know..generally i really respect journalist putting themselves in harms way to report the war.. It does take courage.
If it were me i would be carrying heavy..Sopranos style..
Many unarmed journalists have paid the ultimate price with their lives..
Then we here stories of journalists in with terrorists and reporting falsehoods..spit
But it still doesn't make me admire those brave reporters any less that gave their lives to report facts on the ground..god bless you hero's

There are several issues here:

a. Did the Israeli soldiers make a mistake in shooting this camera crew? Retrospectively, clearly they did. The Israelis admit as much.

b. Was this action negligent or criminal? Apparently not. Even Reuters isn't claiming the Israelis fired on this guy knowing he was a cameraman. Its saying the Israelis should have been more careful to identify the target before opening fire.

The problem is that Reuters hasn't earned the right to second guess decisions made by Israeli soldiers in the field. When several of your comrades have already been shot at that day, and you think someone is pointing a gun at your head, its reasonable to open fire.

c. Is reporting on military activity dangerous? Of course it is. But Reuters, apparently, doesn't think it ought to be, and that their reporters deserve special immunity from bullets or the Fog of War. With the "scoop" and the glory comes the risk.

d. Was this Reuters photographer guy actually shilling for Palestinian terrorists? I don't know, though Reuters history there isn't good. But regardless of whether he was or wasn't, that doesn't alter b.

Dear World,

Its the TYRANNY, stupid!

re: #70 Sharmuta

I know she wasn't a reuters reporter because she didn't blame Israel for the shooting

re: #63 noshariaincanada

CNN reporter "crooked nose" Michael Ware is now gloating about how the russians are bitchslapping US-backed Georgian troops.

I ask myself why do I even watch CNN?

And when you do, what is your answer?

re: #60 quickjustice

Russian snipers have killed one Georgian TV journalist, and wounded another. The wounded journalist, an attractive, young female speaking into her microphone, was on camera when she was shot. The footage is amazing. As they're dressing her wound, she attempts to continue reporting.

No mention of this in the MSM.

The Russians are TARGETING jounalists!

OT

I'm really into masochism today: I switched from CNN to BBC for the "news".

re: #64 lawhawk

I should add that she was shot after the putative "cease fire" declared by the Russians had taken effect.

re: #75 looking closely

see my #77

Some members of the self-appointed 4th branch of government seem to think they are royalty, or high-ranking party members, and therefore are above the laws of human nature.

war strategy should not cave to the demands of these people who insinuate themselves into the middle of a country fighting to survive. it would be unforgivable if soldiers lost their lives because of meddlesome journalists.

Perhaps it's time we looked into Reuters reporting in the same way France 2 was examined.

I suspect Reuters too, will have plenty to hide.

re: #82 nyc redneck

war strategy should not cave to the demands of these people who insinuate themselves into the middle of a country fighting to survive. it would be unforgivable if soldiers lost their lives because of meddlesome journalists.

Too late. It's been happening for about 50 years now.

F**k Reuters. If it is so important to them and their reporters to get a proper "perspective" on a conflict, then they should just choose sides, pick up a gun, and join the fight. Lord knows they've already accomplished a third of those tasks, so the other two should be easy, or would be if they weren't such a bunch of sniveling little pansies.

Knee-jerk outrage aside, why in the hell would any news agency complain about their "journalists" being in harms way when it is their own pursuit of the almighty dollar (SHUT YO' MOUTH!) that put those "journalists" there in the first place. This is a simple matter of risk and reward, but it would seem that Reuters wants all of the reward with none of the risk.

Israel should, by all rights, be laughing their asses off in the face of whoever the hell it is that wrote this whining piece of drivel.

Memo to Reuters: 1) if you do not proclaim to the combatants the status of your reporting staff and their location, they may be mistaken for intellegence agents or enemhy combatants. It is probably the most wise action not to put your staff in an area where live fire may occur. 2) if you do not follow #1 expect one of the combatants to make the assumption that the reporters are either intellegence agents or combatants from the other side. 3) Under this assumption of #2 expect live fire to be directed at them.

In sum don't be stupid.

Is it too early to go OT? I can't help it Mythbusters is on.

They just hit a lighter with a golf club --with the striker glued down and the flame lit.

it was very cool!

Reuters' logic here reminds me of Marge Simpson showing Homer her new "Baby on Board" sign. "Maybe now people will stop intentionally ramming our car!"

re: #80 noshariaincanada

see my #77

Turn off your television.

Refuse truck.

re: #72 looking closely

I'm too old for this shit now - however I would have taken the guy out in a heartbeat without a second thot and then looked for the next target.

When entering a war zone it is best to say good buys to all and hopes for buying the next round when it's over.

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

Anagram for Mongo!

Damn, need a new keyboard now....

re: #76 swamprat

I have seen several reports/films of journalists (including people with the video cameras) in Georgia being attacked (one video showed an irate Russian pulling out a gun and chasing the journalists -- fortunately no one was injured); another video of a lady journalist who was shot in the arm...another video of a tv station being raided...etc., etc. (I also saw on CTV the other day, I believe on Tuesday morning an unbelievable image -- it was the picture of some hanger-on (paramilitary type), a tag-along, from the Russian forces -- dressed in camouflage with a black (leather?) mask covering his forehead and eyes -- swaggering (probably reeking of vodka) -- and carrying his rifle upside-down over his shoulder...I've been looking for the pic -- can't find it...but these are the scary, "out-of-control" thugs, tagging along behind the Russians (doing the raping and looting I presume).

Kosh's Shadow makes the announcement that he is very disturbed by the presence of "journalists" embedded with the enemy, and states that journalists should be careful not to place themselves near legitimate targets, or they will be considered to be aiding and abetting such targets.

Reuter and AP will figure it out soon. Any bets how long before they have "embedded journalists"?

re: #84 rawmuse

Too late. It's been happening for about 50 years now.

well that's long enough. now is the time to ignore these bums on the battlefield. israel needs to proceed as they see fit.

re: #91 buzzsawmonkey

help me out with that one.

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

ah!

thanks.

re: #98 ggt

It's also the name of a song by Rush.

Kragaristan to Reuters;

"Fuck off"

That is all.

Fine.... have the Euroweenies at Reuters sign some release-and-hold-harmless agreements before they're allowed near any combat. The One can vet 'em before they're printed up.
/only part sarc/

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

Reference to the "Candygram for Mongo" from Blazing Saddles.

I got it, I got it. It took a while and now I'm thinking up a snappy answer .....

Reuters was financed as a public company in 1984 on the London Stock Exchange and on the NASDAQ in the USA. However, there were concerns that the company's tradition for objective reporting might be jeopardised if control of the company later fell into the hands of a single shareholder. To counter that possibility, the constitution of the company at the time of the stock offering included a rule that no individual was allowed to own more than 15% of the company.

How's that working out?

Ok, so is going OT allowed at 100 or 150? Or does it vary by user?

we are talking about music now? I think ot is safe.

Just saw an ad for OnStar. Does this seem a little "1984" or what?

Gives me the creeps.

re: #106 ggt

You are clear for OT

re: #107 buzzsawmonkey

Took a little jogging of my memory banks; my first thought was the Blazing Saddles reference. After all, Mongo is just pawn in game of life.

re: #105 solomonpanting

Hasn't Reuters recently been largely bought (?), acquired (?) by the Canadian media giant -- the Thomson group?

There have been heroic reporters before. There have been reporters killed doing they're job.

What I find peculiar is just how many reporters seem to be reporting from the Palestinian side. It's just like the "war with Lebanon" there were far more reporters with Hezbollah than there were with the IDF. That is just wrong. They are letting ideology overwhelm the need to do their job.

That said, it's a shame that this happened, but it does happen in a war zone. Military personnel cannot just sit back and take the chance that a weapon is being aimed at you.

Cognito in 3...2....1

re: #72 looking closely
b. Was this action negligent or criminal? Apparently not. Even Reuters isn't claiming the Israelis fired on this guy knowing he was a cameraman. Its saying the Israelis should have been more careful to identify the target before opening fire.

Ok..let's take this point...
When my son returned from Iraq in May..our family spent 2 weeks with his buds from 1st platoon..kilo company, 3rd 5th Marines..
One night as we sat around a camp fire on the beach and with a few too many bud lights in us..this story came out..My son's platoon was walking the streets of Fallujah when they came under fire..My son's best friend fell forward with his Armour sliding over his shoulders with bullets inches away..My son turned in the direction of fire and fired his SAW gun into the building and silenced the gunfire..
I honest to god sat there and saw these two boys hug each other and crying talking about how my son saved his life..every Marine in 1st platoon had wet eyes..and i was there to see it..something no person can ever see...Marines closer than brothers..actually with tears..dude these guys are bad to the bone..and they are so American..They love family, friend, god, country....Our precious children...
anyhoo..don't count out the brave journalist willing to die for the story.. Some people claim to have balls..one way or the other...
big ones...
/unless your uncle runs the local terrorist Hamas network and you got a camera for Christmas..

Doesn't this break Stephen Colbert's "Wag of the Finger" copyright?

re: #111 J.S.

Hasn't Reuters recently been largely bought (?), acquired (?) by the Canadian media giant -- the Thomson group?

Yes.

re: #113 HoosierHoops

God bless your son! You should be very proud.
Semper fi.

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

Reference to the "Candygram for Mongo" from Blazing Saddles.

Doesn't it suck when you have to explain it?

re: #112 Mars Needs Neocons

Perhaps the real soldiers have limits on how and when the reporters can come with. There is paperwork and liability to be dealt with. All squarely dealing with the dangerous nature of the work.

Somehow I don't think the terrorists group thinks that hard about it, so there might have been more opportunity to report from their end.

As a result, more reporters die when working with terrorists.

Of course, it would be the fault of the real soldiers.

Just my brain at work.

re: #112 Mars Needs Neocons

I'd say you've got a pretty good read on it, there.

by effectively giving soldiers a free hand to kill without being sure they were not firing on journalists.

Stay out of the Kitchen if you don't want to be burned.

And yet somehow the AP terrorist photog stringer is supposed to get a pass.

Up is down, down is up.

re: #111 J.S.

Yes. It's now ThomsonReuters.

re: #112 Mars Needs Neocons

It's just like the "war with Lebanon" there were far more reporters with Hezbollah than there were with the IDF.

I'm not so sure about that. I think it was just that they got better second hand, taken at face value, stories from Hezbollah. I can remember some on the IDF side; but it was boring stuff, just the occasionally randomly killed civilian (unseen) and artillery fire in the distance, none of that wanton and deliberate massacre stuff.

re: #121 Maximu§

I was thinking along the lines of --

"playing with the big dogs . . . "

re: #123 lawhawk

Yes. It's now ThomsonReuters.

Is that the same Thomson that owns RCA (the products)?

The sunset line sweeps over the San Gabriels

Towercam!

Back tomorrow, (S)Weet dreams.

re: #119 ggt

Very good points.

re: #120 Cognito

Thank you.

re: #121 Maximu§

by effectively giving soldiers a free hand to kill without being sure they were not firing on journalists.

Stay out of the Kitchen if you don't want to be burned.

never bring a camera to a gunfight

or did someone say it already?

re: #128 Mars Needs Neocons

thank you

re: #124 Naso Tang

I'm not so sure about that. I think it was just that they got better second hand, taken at face value, stories from Hezbollah. I can remember some on the IDF side; but it was boring stuff, just the occasionally randomly killed civilian (unseen) and artillery fire in the distance, none of that wanton and deliberate massacre stuff.

That makes sense. But you have to admit it creates a certain perception.

Video: Georgian TV reporter shot by Russian sniper during live broadcast carries on with her report with bleeding arm

Watch the video.

A. A Russian sniper doesn't fire .22 and would have killed her through the head at .30+.

B. They have no idea who shot at them.

/watch Steve Harrigan get chased off by directed humiliated Georgian gunfire

re: #120 Cognito
Uh, You do realize that you just agreed with a guy who strongly implied that the media was biased?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

re: #130 paint-right

"never bring a camera to a gunfight"

d@mn you are thinking clearly tonite!

I hearby nominate for rotating title.

any seconds?

going upstairs ----->

re: #134 swamprat

Uh, You do realize that you just agreed with a guy who strongly implied that the media was biased?

I do feel the media is biased, but in this case I was mostly meaning the perception of bias. A couple others have explained things much more completely than I.

re: #135 ggt

"never bring a camera to a gunfight"

d@mn you are thinking clearly tonite!

I hearby nominate for rotating title.

any seconds?

Are there still rotating titles?

Harden the fuck up Reuters. War is hell.

re: #137 Mars Needs Neocons
Whew! That was close!......You're safe, Cognito!

re: #138 paint-right

Are there still rotating titles?

Upper right corner, above the lizard.

re: #127 Ojoe

The sunset line sweeps over the San Gabriels

Towercam!

Back tomorrow, (S)Weet dreams.

I love that tower-cam!
Looked for something similar locally, and the most interesting thing I could find was a camera a bar on Bourbon Street has set up to look at Bourbon Street. Mostly empty (right now) Bourbon Street. Wow. Exciting stuff . . .not!

re: #133 Killian Bundy

Video: Georgian TV reporter shot by Russian sniper during live broadcast carries on with her report with bleeding arm

Watch the video.

A. A Russian sniper doesn't fire .22 and would have killed her through the head at .30+.

B. They have no idea who shot at them.

/watch Steve Harrigan get chased off by directed humiliated Georgian gunfire

The wierd thing is the way Harrigan is trying to "psychoanalyze" the people shooting at hime while he is running away. It seems to me reporters in general are REALLY out of touch with reality.

re: #134 swamprat

Uh, You do realize that you just agreed with a guy who strongly implied that the media was biased?

I've always said quite clearly that the media is biased.

re: #133 Killian Bundy

/watch Steve Harrigan get chased off by directed humiliated Georgian gunfire

I saw that clip, and all I could think was "what the hell does he mean by saying they were humiliated", while shooting at him?

re: #129 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, but given the minuscule proportion of such necessities, I contemplate them with complete equanimity.

My cat's breath smells like cat food!

re: #144 Cognito
I did not realize that.
All kidding aside, who are you and what have you done with Cognito? Is he OK?

re: #144 Cognito

I've always said quite clearly that the media is biased.

to say all media is biased is in itself biased..
/

re: #144 Cognito

All my best wishes, Cog. That's from the heart.

re: #147 swamprat

I did not realize that.
All kidding aside, who are you and what have you done with Cognito? Is he OK?

/it puts the lotion on the skin...
:)

re: #148 HoosierHoops

to say all media is biased is in itself biased..
/

It's just a hodgepodge, really. There's a misperception that all media outlets -- or even all reporters -- move and think with one purpose. That's untrue. But there certainly is a sort of institutional inclination to lean left.

re: #151 Cognito

It's just a hodgepodge, really. There's a misperception that all media outlets -- or even all reporters -- move and think with one purpose. That's untrue. But there certainly is a sort of institutional inclination to lean left.

i hear ya..I'm just teasing you abit while watching the olympics..
another gold for Phelps! unbelieveable!

re: #113 HoosierHoops

b. Was this action negligent or criminal? Apparently not. Even Reuters isn't claiming the Israelis fired on this guy knowing he was a cameraman. Its saying the Israelis should have been more careful to identify the target before opening fire.

Ok..let's take this point...
When my son returned from Iraq in May..our family spent 2 weeks with his buds from 1st platoon..kilo company, 3rd 5th Marines..
One night as we sat around a camp fire on the beach and with a few too many bud lights in us..this story came out..My son's platoon was walking the streets of Fallujah when they came under fire..My son's best friend fell forward with his Armour sliding over his shoulders with bullets inches away..My son turned in the direction of fire and fired his SAW gun into the building and silenced the gunfire..
I honest to god sat there and saw these two boys hug each other and crying talking about how my son saved his life..every Marine in 1st platoon had wet eyes..and i was there to see it..something no person can ever see...Marines closer than brothers..actually with tears..dude these guys are bad to the bone..and they are so American..They love family, friend, god, country....Our precious children...
anyhoo..don't count out the brave journalist willing to die for the story.. Some people claim to have balls..one way or the other...
big ones...
/unless your uncle runs the local terrorist Hamas network and you got a camera for Christmas..

Please let your son know that I thank him and all his buddies who are so willing to protect the United States of America! God please, bless America!

re: #35 iceman1960

Apparently the shooter couldn't discern a reuters journalist from the enemy.
Go figure!

There's a difference?

Y'know, I was having the opposite thought.

On the PBS News Hour, there were several shots of Russian troops attempting to explain themselves to Georgian civilians or international reporters. There's no particular reason to think that the average Russian troops are as psychopathic as their leaders. The reported answers were always curt, along the lines of, "We'll leave when we're ordered to." Seemed some (most?) of the trouble, looting, was actually South Ossetian "militias". But the point is, once the CNN eyes are there, assuming the Russians don't shoot them on sight, it may have the same restraining effect on them, that feeds back all the way to the top, that it does on us. Putin may not understand that now, but in a few years, he may. And if they do shoot reporters on sight? Can Russia really survive in the twenty-first century with that kind of reputation? I wonder.

As for al-Reuters in the middle east, I spit in their general direction.

re: #153 outsidephilly

thank you philly...Jordan is going to be deployed again in Jan.. But we have him for the first time in 3 years for Christmas this year..
And for thanksgiving! We are proud of him and the Marines serving our country..
When the 3/5th marines came home in May the commander got off the bus and had a mike and said..We have returned home without injury to anyone..everyone that left you 7 months ago is here right now to greet you..such a loud roar...it was 2 in the morning and you woul have thought a football game broke out! wifes screaming for thier husband..mothers and dads screaming..hey i did a little..hahaha
My son..is my hero..

re: #156 HoosierHoops

My son..is my hero..

Ours, too.

re: #156 HoosierHoops

thank you philly...Jordan is going to be deployed again in Jan.. But we have him for the first time in 3 years for Christmas this year..
And for thanksgiving! We are proud of him and the Marines serving our country..
When the 3/5th marines came home in May the commander got off the bus and had a mike and said..We have returned home without injury to anyone..everyone that left you 7 months ago is here right now to greet you..such a loud roar...it was 2 in the morning and you woul have thought a football game broke out! wifes screaming for thier husband..mothers and dads screaming..hey i did a little..hahaha
My son..is my hero..

That is so AWESOME - your words gave me goose-bumps . . . , and a huge sense of pride! . . . , give 'em a big hug for me, or a high five, or whatever . . . , we in philly tend to do your basic, 'way to go, dude'!

re: #157 Occasional Reader

Ours, too.

. . . , and a BIG thank you to your son, also!

I just watched(on TV) the Russians shoot 3 reporters, steal 2 cameras and shoot a Journalist in the foot.

This is OK with Reuters though.

re: #156 HoosierHoops

thank you philly...Jordan is going to be deployed again in Jan.. But we have him for the first time in 3 years for Christmas this year..
And for thanksgiving! We are proud of him and the Marines serving our country..
When the 3/5th marines came home in May the commander got off the bus and had a mike and said..We have returned home without injury to anyone..everyone that left you 7 months ago is here right now to greet you..such a loud roar...it was 2 in the morning and you woul have thought a football game broke out! wifes screaming for thier husband..mothers and dads screaming..hey i did a little..hahaha
My son..is my hero..

and ours, too, HH! So glad you'll have him home for Christmas!

re: #160 Coldpizza

I just watched(on TV) the Russians shoot 3 reporters, steal 2 cameras and shoot a Journalist in the foot.

This is OK with Reuters though.

Which network did you see that on?

re: #160 Coldpizza

I just watched(on TV) the Russians shoot 3 reporters, steal 2 cameras and shoot a Journalist in the foot.

This is OK with Reuters though.

Which network did you see that on?
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CBC

re: #163 ColdPizza

re: #160 Coldpizza

I just watched(on TV) the Russians shoot 3 reporters, steal 2 cameras and shoot a Journalist in the foot.

This is OK with Reuters though.

Which network did you see that on?
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CBC

er, um, CBC? Would that be a Canadian broadcast network? (I don't get anything called "CBC").

re: #112 Mars Needs Neocons

Peculiar? Not so much. Which would you rather cover.... ordinary people raising families and working in a democracy, or gloriously gory splodeydopes with their attendant frenzied car swarms and glimpses into advanced child-rearing techniques that turn toddlers into terrorists?
Remember, if it bleeds it leads.

Well Reuters media, just wear cones on you head and everyone will know exactly who and what you are.

"The tank crew was unable to determine the nature of the object mounted on the tripod and positively identify it as an anti-tank missile, a mortar or a television camera," Brigadier General Avihai Mendelblit of the Israeli Defense Forces wrote

Memo to Reuters:

Do the obvious and compare a Canon or Nikon DSLR with 300mm zoom (and perhaps a cable to a laptop/battery pack, with connection to ......) on a tripod to, say, a Kornet ATGM.

Be intellectually honest; tripod at MINIMUM height, operator (apparently, by your own admission, a local) hunkered down with the usual khaki vest with pockets filled with (lenses/film/batteries or ammo/grenades?).

Now do this again at, say, 500 meters away.

When you show optics, particularly large diameter optics, on the modern battlefield, you attract the interest of very powerful, long-ranged and lethal weapons, and for very good reason.

Conclusion: your operative did the equivalent of pointing a (counterfeit/Airsoft/...) gun at a police officer, and in a situation where the officer had already drawn his weapon due to necessity.

His death is your fault and responsibility.

re: #22 Bobibutu

This is a joke right? No one could make this stuff up for real.

Re Israel? Sadly al_Reuters does, as it goes along.

If you're standing in the middle of a bunch of militants firing on the Israeli Army, don't be surprised if they blow your ass away.

Sadly this isn't the first time Reuters has lost people who were doing this same thing -- filming tanks in battle. From CPJ's website--

"José Couso, Telecinco, April 8, 2003, Baghdad

Couso, a cameraman for the Spanish television station Telecinco, died after a U.S. tank fired a shell at the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad, Iraq's capital, where most journalists in the city were based during the war. At around 12 p.m., a shell hit two hotel balconies where several journalists were monitoring a battle in the vicinity. Taras Protsyuk, a Ukrainian cameraman for Reuters, was also killed in the attack"
[Link: www.cpj.org...]

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I remember lefties being upset over this for a couple of years after the incident. The actual footage these guys were taking was showing an M1A1 very carefully inching its way across a Tigris River bridge into downtown Baghdad, actively engaging targets with its main gun. Their footage came to a sudden halt when the tank apparently noticed somebody aiming a long black, tripod-mounted tube at it and sent them a "Please don't do that" message in 120mm tank language.

With all respect for brave combat newspeople, there should be a special category of Darwin Award for people who aim long black telephoto lenses at combat-zone tanks. It's bad karma.

Rare footage.

/feel free to move against what happened

Rare footage.

/feel free to move against what happened

re: #70 Sharmuta

re: #60 quickjustice

Russian snipers have killed one Georgian TV journalist, and wounded another. The wounded journalist, an attractive, young female speaking into her microphone, was on camera when she was shot. The footage is amazing. As they're dressing her wound, she attempts to continue reporting.

No mention of this in the MSM.

She must not have been a reuters reporter, so they don't care.

No, she wasn't shot by Joooz Israelis, so they don't care.

re: #117 rawmuse

God bless your son! You should be very proud.
Semper fi.

What you said.

By this Reuters Rule, every military and/or terrorist group going into action should have along someone with a press card to be in effect a human shield.

Ahmed: Hey, Hussein, are we all ready for our brave and noble attack on a Jewish kindergarten?
Hussein: Not yet. The AP reporter has stopped somewhere for a drink. Without him along the Jew-kids might shoot at us.

AL ROUTERS ARE TERROR SUPPORTERS JUST LOOK AT THE PROPAGANDA NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM AND AL JIHAD

re: #135 ggt

"never bring a camera to a gunfight"

d@mn you are thinking clearly tonite!

I hearby nominate for rotating title.

any seconds?

YES SECONDS

I can just see Ernie Pyle wading ashore prior to any of the landings in the Pacific, making the international symbol for 'time out', and informing the Japanese that he's off limits. This is Darwinism at work.

Notice to AlReuters stop signing up terrorist to act like 'journalists' and to go riding around in missile spouting vehicles and you'll have less chances of your 'employees' being 'mistakenly' killed in strikes against terrorists.
Just saying...

re: #9 Shug

There are no reuters journalists.

Journalists report the news.

Reuters agents create the news, and aid the enemy in the process.

There is no journalism in a reuters journalist

Shug -

Nor is there PRAVDA in IZVESTIA. Being a reporter and covering a war has never been without risk. Goes with the territory.

-S-

#10 Maybe we should have a "Half Time" during every battle. The reporters could run out on the battlefield and get statements and photos, and it would give Bud some time to run some ads

Ya. They could be like the waterboy

But supply the terrorists with more bullets/RPGs instead of the water

Hamas expelled foreign journalists from Gaza some time ago. Now all the so-called journalists there are Hamas approved. Needless to say, they have not exactly been objective. Hence, when the Israeli soldiers saw something aimed their tank, they had every reason to think their lives were in danger, whether or not there were "journalists" present. Isn't it surprising that the camera survived the attack? It suggests a low level of Israeli fire power--as if they wanted to minimize the risk to non-combatants nearby. Of course, one would never hear such a thing from Reuters. In short, the Reuters statement is pure hypocrisy: it is issued only because Reuters knows well that the safety of Palestinians is a concern to Israel-- in a way that the safety of Gerogians of Afghanis is not to the Russians or to Al-Qaeda.

How many divisions does Rueters have?

if the Reuters journalists don't want to get killed then they just need to stop operating from enemy positions.

Fraternizing with the enemy is never a good idea.

Perhaps they should get out of the way. Bastards.

Simple solution: Don't embed yourselves with known terrorist groups and the good guys won't sent bullets and bombs your way.

/See how easy that was?

re: #123 lawhawk

Yes. It's now ThomsonReuters.

Don't I know it!

re: #185 zulubaby

Fraternizing with the enemy is never a good idea.

Perhaps they should get out of the way. Bastards.

Journalists have been killed quite often during the 20th and 21st century wars. The most famous - Ernie Pyle, was killed I believe on Okinawa. It is the ultimate occupational hazard.

Related topic- what is the latest on those two "peace ships" loaded with leftists and Islamofascists (such as Yvonne Ridley) which are supposed to be sailing from Cyprus to Gaza bringing "hearing aids" to Palestinian children in order to "break the blockade?" I hope Israel destroys the ships before they sail. Tony Blair's leftist sister-in-law, Lauren Booth (a descendant by the way of the Booth family whose son was John Wilkes Booth, is supposed to be on one of the ships as well.

re: #182 Edward Halper

Hamas expelled foreign journalists from Gaza some time ago. Now all the so-called journalists there are Hamas approved. Needless to say, they have not exactly been objective.

Yes remember that pro Pali British journalist that nevertheless was taken hostage a year or two ago?