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Russia Threatens to Use Nukes Against Poland

Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 9:59:32 am PDT

Barack Obama has vowed to cut funding of missile defense systems, and recently pledged to eliminate nuclear weapons from the world because, according to him, we just don’t need them any more:

CHICAGO - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama on Tuesday called for ridding the world of nuclear weapons, arguing that U.S. policy is still focused on the defunct Soviet Union instead of combatting the nuclear threat from rogue nations and terrorists.

Today, following the US-Polish agreement on missile defense, Russia is threatening to use nuclear weapons against Poland.

MOSCOW - A top Russian general said Friday that Poland’s agreement to accept a U.S. missile interceptor base exposes the ex-communist nation to attack, possibly by nuclear weapons, the Interfax news agency reported. ...

“Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent,” Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia’s military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.” Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax.

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1 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:00:08am

Two words:

HOLY SHIT!

2 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:01:28am

But more importantly the Dems have a plank on Motherhood. Next we will see the apple pie defense.

3 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:01:52am

Sounds like Putin is suicidal and wants to take the rest of the world with him.

4 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:02:15am

Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

5 zombie  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:02:15am

Ah, Obama, a man with foresight. Just what we need.

6 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:02:28am
“Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent,” Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying.

Yes- how dare Russia's neighbors defend themselves. You assholes really want to nuke Poland? Bring it- you'll get your ass handed to you.

7 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:02:32am
Russia’s military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.”

And THAT says it all!

Obama would sign our surrender to the Soviet Union. He is a stuffed suit, a moby, a front man. And an idiot.

8 WindHorse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:02:46am

Boy... Nogovitsyn sure has the "nuance" thing down....

9 DaddyO  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:03:07am

re: #4 Killgore Trout


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10 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:03:14am

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

I don't think he's suicidal, he's power hungry and he's better the rest of the world is too weak to resist. He might be right.

11 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:03:14am
"“Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent,” Nogovitsyn, the deputy chief of staff, was quoted as saying."

We should remind Comrade General Nogovitsyn that that particular street runs in two directions and our lane is always open.

12 Sizzlack  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:03:22am

I'd love to hear what the Messiah has to say about this.

McCain better issue a statement quickly.

13 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:03:34am

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sounds like Putin is suicidal and wants to take the rest of the world with him.

Sounds like Putin has been holding consultation with Iran, Syria and Venezuela for over a year. He figures he has us over the proverbial oil barrel.

14 Crusader Rabbit  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:04:08am

In other news: Grendel today issued a statement warning Beowulf that by taking up a shield the puny mortal invites being hacked to death.

15 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:04:12am

re: #9 DaddyO

Thanks, I really like that first one. saved.

16 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:04:24am

re: #6 Sharmuta

Yes- how dare Russia's neighbors defend themselves. You assholes really want to nuke Poland? Bring it- you'll get your ass handed to you.

Though it might be a little bit more charred then you like.

17 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:04:33am

"Doctrine?"

Russian "Doctrine" is made up on the fly, and follows any nationalist impulse that can be best described as "blustering ass holes".

18 zombie  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:05:02am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

re: #5 zombie

Ah, Obama, a man with foresight. Just what we need.

I blame this development not just on Obama, but on the media's drunken love affair with him, and their relentless promotion of the "truism" that he is guaranteed to win in November.

Putin saw that a weak-kneed suicide-bot was on deck to take power, and decided to make his play for re-established world dominance.

Thank you, MSM. Thank you, Obama.

19 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:05:09am

re: #2 big steve

But more importantly the Dems have a plank on Motherhood. Next we will see the apple pie defense.

And, the Unicorn Protocols.

20 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:05:25am

Obama - "Well George (Clooney) what is your advise concerning this new development? George? George? Get out from under the table and get rid of that blanket, it looks bad for the cameras. Somebody get me Sean Penn....."

21 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:05:28am

Anybody want to help inspect the tires on Russia's diplomatic staff cars? Wouldn't want them disappointing the "One"

22 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:05:35am

OBAMA IS AN IDIOT.

and a bunch of immature spoiled self-indulgent children (progressives, hollywood ivory tower leftists, 18 year old snot nosers, & Andrew Sullivan) are desperate to see him elected.

23 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:05:45am

I was a soldier in the Cold War and I don't remember ever hearing threats like this from the USSR...ever.

Russians play chess well, but this is a risky move for them.

24 FrogMarch  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:06:13am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

Exactly.

25 guftafs  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:06:15am

Why shouldn't they threaten? Have the Russians met with any signs of willingness to stop them so far? They'll go on so long as no-one say "No!" and mobilizes the divisions to back that "No!" up.

26 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:06:29am

Russians, like most asian cultures, have a problem with bluster. They talk big and then look to us to help them save face.

27 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:06:42am

To my observation, it is sad that, in the present day USA, Obama's position on nukes can not only be considered viable, but viable enough to win him the nomination of a major political party. He is who he is, but, more importantly, who are we?

28 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:06:53am

So, Putin is a Rove plant?

29 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:07:27am

I do a lot of business with people in the former Soviet Bloc countries such as Poland, Czech Republic, and East Germany. They are not afraid of Russia....trust me on this. Their populations have westernized tremendously. You can't get the genie back in the bottle.

30 Sizzlack  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:07:30am

re: #28 maddogg

So, Putin is a Rove plant?

duh.

31 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:07:33am

re: #17 karmic_inquisitor

"Doctrine?"

Russian "Doctrine" is made up on the fly, and follows any nationalist impulse that can be best described as "blustering ass holes".

Exactamundo.

32 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:07:34am

One has only go to look at a map of the region to see that such a Soviet attack would indeed be curtains for Moscow. Poland is in the NATO, and Germany is right next to it. So are the BAltic States, also in the NATO.

Not a good idea, comrade General, in fact, a major blunder ...

33 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:07:49am

re: #28 maddogg

So, Putin is a Rove plant?

He really is a magnificent bastard.

34 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:07:50am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

Given how Hugo's been handling this, I'd fully expect nukes in Venezuela. Cuba, maybe, maybe not, but definately Venezuela. Hugo's been chanting the Kremlin line over Georgia.

35 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:02am

re: #19 MandyManners

And, the Unicorn Protocols.

Oh and I forgot....the Winnie the Pooh strategy.

36 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:15am

re: #23 Maximu§

I was a soldier in the Cold War and I don't remember ever hearing threats like this from the USSR...ever.

Russians play chess well, but this is a risky move for them.

I've never heard anything like this from them either, and I remember pretty close to all the way back to WWII. The closest I can come is their attitude over Berlin that led to the Berlin Airlift.

37 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:16am

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I don't think he's suicidal, he's power hungry and he's better the rest of the world is too weak to resist. He might be right.

I think if we were so weak we would not have signed the pact with Poland. I think we will have a much harder time explaining why we would theoretically hang Poland out to dry if they're attacked.

38 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:33am

re: #1 Honorary Yooper

Two words:

HOLY SHIT!

Three Words: Moskva Delenda Est!

39 The Jinxmedic  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:35am

It sounds like it might be time to dust off Clayton's 1980's masterpiece, "Surviving Doomsday".

Either that, or start driving a Volvo...


(reference to 1983's "The Day After", and how Dr. Oakes survived the nuclear attack on the Kansas missile fields by sheltering in his 240 wagon...)

40 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:48am

re: #35 big steve

Oh and I forgot....the Winnie the Pooh strategy.

Gotta' convince Pooh that oil really is honey.

41 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:08:55am

re: #6 Sharmuta

Yes- how dare Russia's neighbors defend themselves. You assholes really want to nuke Poland? Bring it- you'll get your ass handed to you.


Didn't Prince Obama announce he wanted to rid the world of nuclear weapons and cut a deal with Russia? God, is he out of his league...like a kid on a softball team who wants to play for the NY Yankee's.

42 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:09:23am

re: #2 big steve

But more importantly the Dems have a plank on Motherhood. Next we will see the apple pie defense.

They're against it?

43 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:09:39am

Well, aint this a jolly old kick in the cajones.

44 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:09:54am

re: #29 big steve

I do a lot of business with people in the former Soviet Bloc countries such as Poland, Czech Republic, and East Germany. They are not afraid of Russia....trust me on this. Their populations have westernized tremendously. You can't get the genie back in the bottle.

And the populations of those countries were ONLY part of the USSR at the point of a gun to start with. Poland has been forced into the Russian Empire a number of times over the years, going all the way back into the Middle Ages.

45 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:09:56am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

Which is why I've been saying since this whole mess started that we need to take down the Castro regime and tHuggo ASAP.

46 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:10:22am
47 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:10:24am

re: #42 The Other Les

But more importantly the Dems have a plank on Motherhood. Next we will see the apple pie defense.

They're against it?

They are against drilling for more apples.

48 sevoguy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:10:26am

Anyone know the correct amount of Russian Migs downed by Georgians? I've heard about 8.

49 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:10:51am

re: #39 The Jinxmedic

It sounds like it might be time to dust off Clayton's 1980's masterpiece, "Surviving Doomsday".

Either that, or start driving a Volvo...


(reference to 1983's "The Day After", and how Dr. Oakes survived the nuclear attack on the Kansas missile fields by sheltering in his 240 wagon...)

240's are damn near indestructible.

50 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:17am

Mr. Obama, attempting to eliminate nuclear weapons is profoundly pessimistic because it assumes that humanity will never grow up and become responsible.

Nuclear weapons are built into the structure of the universe, in the periodic table and the laws of physics. They're put there as a test in my opinion.

It is our job to take the test and pass it, not to remain at some infantile stage.

And meanwhile, the most moral people are supposed to have the biggest weapons, because upon the instant that they do not, the evil prey upon the innocent.

But you, Mr. Obama, have not thought this through and you have a very defective view of how the world really operates at this stage of human history.

And so, I'm not going to vote for you.

51 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:20am

Obama would fit the definition of "Clear & Present Danger" to the Republic.
He will either abandon his former policy for present convenience, or more likely blame it all on the evil Bush/Cheney/ McCain cabal.
He ran Susan Rice out to Demogauge McCains strong response to the invasion of Georgia , even suggesting that McCain may have made the situation worse.
Obama mirrors the childish reasoning & rhetoric that is a hallmark for the extreme left

52 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:25am

re: #11 CIA Reject

We should remind Comrade General Nogovitsyn that that particular street runs in two directions and our lane is always open.

It's time to repudiate all arms control treaties. They were a bad idea anyway.

53 DaddyO  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:29am
54 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:37am

Its evident now that batshit crazy was always just barely beneath the surface.

55 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:42am

I find it rather strange the SciFi Channel would choose now to show the anti-nuclear/anti-war/Anti-Reagan screed The Day After. Coincidence? I doubt it.

56 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:47am

re: #48 sevoguy

Anyone know the correct amount of Russian Migs downed by Georgians? I've heard about 8.

However many went down, I'll bet half were malfunctions.

57 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:11:52am

re: #41 Maximu§

Didn't Prince Obama announce he wanted to rid the world of nuclear weapons and cut a deal with Russia? God, is he out of his league...like a kid on a softball team who wants to play for the NY Yankee's.

If the kid can pitch the Spankees would probably take him right about now.

58 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:12:05am

re: #48 sevoguy

Anyone know the correct amount of Russian Migs downed by Georgians? I've heard about 8.

I heard 4. But either way, it is enough to leave the Russian high command shaking heads and wringing hands trying to figure out how they managed to do it. Stupefied according to the report I read.

59 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:12:11am

re: #32 yma o hyd
Um, not to mention our "Boomers" - our nuclear powered submarines, each of which carries enough nuclear warheads to independently hit, iirc, over 120 targets. Some have had partial converstion to non-nuke missiles. Lots haven't. And many of those that haven't are sitting quiety, targets already entered into the computers, awaiting word from the CiC.
Will Russia use nukes on Poland? I'm not a prophet or seer, but unless Putin is totally off his rocker: NO.

60 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:12:27am

re: #48 sevoguy

Anyone know the correct amount of Russian Migs downed by Georgians? I've heard about 8.

Dived that by 2 and you'll usually get close to the real number.

61 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:12:29am

Every Russian Ship, including submarines, including SSBNs should know that there is an American hunter killer sitting just abaft her stern and taking photos of the Russian's screws. They can be so screwed so fast.

62 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:12:30am

The Russian insistance on escalation is just going to hasten the need to address Iran. The idea of Iran getting nukes and running the Russian playbook with Russian assistance and forming a Nukes and Oil cartel is now a very real potential outcome if we dither. Venezuela will join that club, and you will have three little thugs running the globe's hydrocarbon supply.

63 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:13:00am

re: #51 opnion

Obama would fit the definition of "Clear & Present Danger" to the Republic.
He will either abandon his former policy for present convenience, or more likely blame it all on the evil Bush/Cheney/ McCain cabal.
He ran Susan Rice out to Demogauge McCains strong response to the invasion of Georgia , even suggesting that McCain may have made the situation worse.
Obama mirrors the childish reasoning & rhetoric that is a hallmark for the extreme left

And then he ran some Virginian out to crow about how Putin had stopped because HRH Obama had suggested that he stop.

64 WindHorse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:13:04am

what did Bush say? "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul."

wow.

65 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:13:07am

re: #54 RTLM

Its evident now that batshit crazy was always just barely beneath the surface.

That's part of the charming Russian personality, but Putin seems intent on opening a whole new chapter. Heck, look at the moonbats here we've been living with all along, and who knew?

66 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:13:18am

Obama makes Carter seem merely simpleminded.

67 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:13:46am

re: #28 maddogg

So, Putin is a Rove plant?

No he is Rove. Have you ever seen them together?

68 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:00am

re: #18 zombie

I blame this development not just on Obama, but on the media's drunken love affair with him, and their relentless promotion of the "truism" that he is guaranteed to win in November.

Putin saw that a weak-kneed suicide-bot was on deck to take power, and decided to make his play for re-established world dominance.

Thank you, MSM. Thank you, Obama.

It is a shame, isn't it, that many parts of the world watch our candidates and our elections with a much more critical eye than many of our own citizens.

69 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:04am

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

The Russian insistance on escalation is just going to hasten the need to address Iran. The idea of Iran getting nukes and running the Russian playbook with Russian assistance and forming a Nukes and Oil cartel is now a very real potential outcome if we dither. Venezuela will join that club, and you will have three little thugs running the globe's hydrocarbon supply.

Iran got one big address this morning. The Iranian President went to Turkey to sign a multi-billion $ oil deal. Supposed to be announced this morning. Instead they announced that Turkey had canceled the deal.

70 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:04am

re: #39 The Jinxmedic

It sounds like it might be time to dust off Clayton's 1980's masterpiece, "Surviving Doomsday".

Either that, or start driving a Volvo...


(reference to 1983's "The Day After", and how Dr. Oakes survived the nuclear attack on the Kansas missile fields by sheltering in his 240 wagon...)

To make a confession, I have been looking at digging a wine cellar and am now looking at what modifications I have to make to have it double as a blast and fallout shelter.

71 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:06am

Historically when extreme belligerent comments have come from Russian/Soviet leadership, it has been a sign of a power struggle within. When their leadership is aligned they control the message. Some have pointed out the surprise of a Russian leader being so intense. Krushchev had periods like this and later it was found they always corresponded to internal power shifts.

72 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:26am

Waiting for the kraptastic Kosling konspriracy machine to begin hyperventilating in earnest.

73 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:41am

As bad as that threat is the fact is the Poles have always known that if a tactical nuclear exchange was going to take place in Europe it was the most likely candidate. The only difference is the roles are reversed it was fear of a U.S. preemptive strike at Warsaw Pact forces marshaling in Poland for an invasion of Western Europe.

74 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:42am

Thugs talk like thugs.
Should we be surprised? No.
Should we be frightened? No again.

75 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:44am

re: #44 galloping granny

And the populations of those countries were ONLY part of the USSR at the point of a gun to start with. Poland has been forced into the Russian Empire a number of times over the years, going all the way back into the Middle Ages.

There is no way that the Poles will now cower or knuckle unde - no way!
I remember well how deliriously happy they were when they got the full EU membership, lots and lots of their younger people have been travelling and working their socks off all voer Europe.
No way are they going to give that up, and I'm sure they'd take extreme measures to any of their politicians who'd suggest such a thing!

76 noshariaincanada  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:46am

LLLefties love this kind of subtle Russian diplomacy.

77 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:49am

What this really means is that the agreement with Poland is causing Putin to soil himself. In his fear and embarrassment he is overreacting which is a very poor trait for a world leader. It makes him quite dangerous, like a cornered rodent.

78 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:51am

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

Develop solar energy.

79 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:14:57am

re: #18 zombie

That's a damned good point. People who aren't American don't really understand the American electorate. They often assume we listen to our elites in the same way Europeans do---but we don't!

From all the elites and the media, a foreigner would think McCain didn't have a chance, and couldn't buy one for a million dollars. Why not strike and show Obamajebus who's boss before he even gets in office? It would never cross his mind that this may help McCain. Most polls released right now were actually taken before the Russian invasion and the candidates' responses.

80 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:02am

re: #58 galloping granny
You're joking, right? They are stupefied that they lost some of those quaint old Migs?!

81 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:05am

re: #23 Maximu§

I was a soldier in the Cold War and I don't remember ever hearing threats like this from the USSR...ever.

Russians play chess well, but this is a risky move for them.

This is going to end with Comrade Putin being vaporized, buried alive in a bunker, or going for a dance at the end of a rope.

82 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:06am

re: #18 zombie

Putin saw that a weak-kneed suicide-bot was on deck to take power, and decided to make his play for re-established world dominance.

Shouldn't he have waited, like until next August, if that's their month for scheduled trouble?

83 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:08am

Bring it, motherfuckers.

84 Opinionated  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:09am

Russia is openly threatening a nuclear attack in Europe.

If McCain doesn't start showing a substantial lead in the polls in the coming days, something is seriously wrong with the American people.

85 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:09am

re: #69 galloping granny

Iran got one big address this morning. The Iranian President went to Turkey to sign a multi-billion $ oil deal. Supposed to be announced this morning. Instead they announced that Turkey had canceled the deal.


Nice to see some countries have some balls.

86 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:24am

re: #64 WindHorse

what did Bush say? "I looked into Putin's eyes and saw his soul."

wow.

McCain knew better. "I look into Putin's eyes and I see the letter K. . G . . B!" But then he has firsthand experience of Marxist theory in action.

87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:24am

re: #70 karmic_inquisitor

To make a confession, I have been looking at digging a wine cellar and am now looking at what modifications I have to make to have it double as a blast and fallout shelter.

I'm stockpiling on guns, ammo, and a map to everyone I know who has a fallout shelter.

88 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:15:27am

re: #48 sevoguy

Anyone know the correct amount of Russian Migs downed by Georgians? I've heard about 8.

According to WIKI, they have some SU-25 ground attack aircraft and some HIND helicopters. Those are the only combat aircraft in their inventory. The rest are all transport aircraft and trainers. No interceptors.
Suprised, I'd have figured they'd at least have a few MiG 21's, damn near everybody had those things.

From the wiki article it looks like the israelis may have upgraded the fire control systems on their SU-25 "Frogfoots".

89 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:10am

re: #71 big steve

Historically when extreme belligerent comments have come from Russian/Soviet leadership, it has been a sign of a power struggle within. When their leadership is aligned they control the message. Some have pointed out the surprise of a Russian leader being so intense. Krushchev had periods like this and later it was found they always corresponded to internal power shifts.

Judging from BP's troubles, the war right now is between the oligarchs and the government.

90 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:12am

This is all going on, and a judge recently ruled that the Navy is not allowed to use low frequency sonar because of the whales, and if I am not mistaken, they have stopped, or will soon.

F*ck the left.

91 DaddyO  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:21am

re: #87 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm stockpiling on guns, ammo, and a map to everyone I know who has a fallout shelter.

I got a whole lotta beer and some chips

92 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:28am

re: #77 maddogg

What this really means is that the agreement with Poland is causing Putin to soil himself. In his fear and embarrassment he is overreacting which is a very poor trait for a world leader. It makes him quite dangerous, like a cornered rodent.

I agree- I think the pact with Poland struck a nerve and now the bear is lashing out.

93 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:40am

re: #46 taxfreekiller

Clear your minds.

Who is it that most enabled this evil?

Is there a political party that has backed all the evil in the world?

Is there a bunch of co-commies about to try to elect a full blown
commie nut case to be President and Commander in Chief?

Is there a political party that has a traitor who worked with commies prior to help commies to win a war? Kerry, Vietnam.

Russia does not have what it takes to win out over us, there only chance is the U.S. Democratic Party and their co-commie msm.

Look within and see.

If you do not, and do not vote them out, great evil will come to all.

You left out Teddy Kennedy's direct correspondance with the Kremlin aimed at undermining President Ronald Reagan.

94 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:51am

re: #59 realwest

Russia is just BSing buddy. They know once them birds fly, it's all over for them.

95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:52am

re: #82 itellu3times

Shouldn't he have waited, like until next August, if that's their month for scheduled trouble?

He made the mistake of listening to the MSM who told him Obama had it in the bag.

96 Sir Napsalot  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:55am

The Russians don't even try to use 'smart munitions' to eliminate/minimize collaterol damage, they just use the WWII old tactics with the bullying tanks and guns blazing.

Still can't believe there are no PEACE rallies around the world this weekend, with millions upon millions of demonstrators.

"OCCUPIERS"
"No Blood for OIL"
"Russia Lied, People Died"
...

97 Zippy_Slug  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:16:59am

If for some reason the Soviets.. er.. I mean Russia try to launch, and the missile defense works.. Would we be justified in a nuclear response?

98 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:09am

re: #69 galloping granny
WOW - good on Turkey! Do you by any chance have any links to that?

99 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:16am

re: #75 yma o hyd

There is no way that the Poles will now cower or knuckle unde - no way!
I remember well how deliriously happy they were when they got the full EU membership, lots and lots of their younger people have been travelling and working their socks off all voer Europe.
No way are they going to give that up, and I'm sure they'd take extreme measures to any of their politicians who'd suggest such a thing!

I didn't mean that they would. I meant that they know first hand the dangers of the Russian Bear.

100 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:22am

re: #95 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He made the mistake of listening to the MSM who told him Obama had it in the bag.

Must have been the Obama NeoPresidential Seal.

101 Spider Mensch  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:29am

re: #58 galloping granny

I heard 4. But either way, it is enough to leave the Russian high command shaking heads and wringing hands trying to figure out how they managed to do it. Stupefied according to the report I read.


I have to remember where I read it, but one online article really put the russian air force down, on their lack of skills over georgia. Talked about russia wanting to take out the oil pipeline, but the russian pilots kept missing the targets because the pilots were not experienced enought to preform low level bombing runs, and the aircraft systems are not even close to ours in sophistication of hitting small targets from great altitudes. they also got on the russian "peace keepers" as basically a drunken mob in tanks and personell carriers..gotta remember where the link is...

102 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:38am

We all must remind ourselves that Obama is vastly more intelligent than any and all of us, and that he sees things in a completely new way which allows him to see solutions that no one before him could even contemplate.

/

103 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:45am

re: #59 realwest

Um, not to mention our "Boomers" - our nuclear powered submarines, each of which carries enough nuclear warheads to independently hit, iirc, over 120 targets. Some have had partial converstion to non-nuke missiles. Lots haven't. And many of those that haven't are sitting quiety, targets already entered into the computers, awaiting word from the CiC.
Will Russia use nukes on Poland? I'm not a prophet or seer, but unless Putin is totally off his rocker: NO.

The 3 Boomers that were converted to conventional carry 149 cruise missiles each. A classified number of these are non-conventional. Extraordinarily effective weapon. It can take on a fleet or a land war 1000 miles away.

104 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:48am
105 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:53am

re: #52 The Other Les

It's time to repudiate all arms control treaties. They were a bad idea anyway.

Even with our current force structure all it would take would be an order from the NCA and ALL of Comrade Putin's major industrial centers would become potential targets of nuclear weapons systems that actually work.

He should be told that the NCA is considering such an action.

106 seekeroftruth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:17:54am

There was a article just a few days ago about Russia, Cuba, and nukes.
Could be disinformation and bluster.
[Link: www.voanews.com...]

Former Cuban President Fidel Castro says his brother was right to adopt a "dignified silence" about a newspaper report that Russia may soon station nuclear-capable bombers on the island.

In comments posted on a government Web site Wednesday, the former president said Cuba does not owe the United States any explanations, excuses or calls for forgiveness over the issue.

On Monday, the Russian newspaper "Izvestia" quoted a source as saying Moscow is considering stationing military aircraft in Cuba in response to U.S. plans to deploy a missile-defense system in eastern Europe.

...The RIA-Novosti news agency in Russia Thursday quotes a Russian defense ministry spokesman, Ilshat Baichurin, as saying Moscow regards reports from anonymous sources as disinformation.

107 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:18:02am

re: #97 Zippy_Slug

Morally no IMHO

108 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:18:23am

re: #34 Honorary Yooper

This also makes me wonder about Iran too. Russia might give them nukes instead of just helping them develop their own.

109 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:18:37am

re: #41 Maximu§

Didn't Prince Obama announce he wanted to rid the world of nuclear weapons and cut a deal with Russia? God, is he out of his league...like a kid on a softball team who wants to play for the NY Yankee's.

More like a kid with a toy plastic ball and a plastic bat playing in the back yard.

110 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:18:45am

re: #56 itellu3times

However many went down, I'll bet half were malfunctions.

And the other half were pilot errors.

111 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:19:04am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

This also makes me wonder about Iran too. Russia might give them nukes instead of just helping them develop their own.

Ha, they may have already sold some to the Sauds.

112 Noam Sayin'  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:19:33am

re: #41 Maximu§

Didn't Prince Obama announce he wanted to rid the world of nuclear weapons and cut a deal with Russia? God, is he out of his league...like a kid on a softball team who wants to play for the NY Yankee's.

A good recap

113 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:19:37am

re: #90 Tarkus289

This is all going on, and a judge recently ruled that the Navy is not allowed to use low frequency sonar because of the whales, and if I am not mistaken, they have stopped, or will soon.

F*ck the left.

I read about this...the jusge should be stripped of her robe and kicked naked to the curb.

114 Zippy_Slug  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:19:58am

re: #107 Ojoe

What would be an appropriate response then? Negotiations ala Obama Hussein?

115 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:20:02am

re: #92 Sharmuta

I agree- I think the pact with Poland struck a nerve and now the bear is lashing out.

Perhaps it is sometimes necessary to ensure a nerve is struck to force the bear's reaction.

116 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:20:24am

re: #59 realwest

Um, not to mention our "Boomers" - our nuclear powered submarines, each of which carries enough nuclear warheads to independently hit, iirc, over 120 targets. Some have had partial converstion to non-nuke missiles. Lots haven't. And many of those that haven't are sitting quiety, targets already entered into the computers, awaiting word from the CiC.
Will Russia use nukes on Poland? I'm not a prophet or seer, but unless Putin is totally off his rocker: NO.

Yes - but!
There are these generals - I had another look at the face of Comrade Nogovitsyn - he looks as if he's not got over the defeat in Afghanistan. He's been brought up on the glory tales of WWII, and wants that back - people like him are off their rockers, and Putin will have a major task to keep them in hand, I think.
They are the true danger men.

117 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:20:25am

RE Poland, bear in mind that the ONLY reason that they fell to the Russians and were forced into the Soviet Union in the first place is because the Russian Army halted it's advance across the river from Warsaw while the Nazis spent two months or so completely leveling Warsaw and obliterating the Home Army.

On August 1, 1944, with the Russian forces on the right bank of the Vistula, the Home Army rose in Warsaw; the Warsaw Rising. Heroic street-fighting involving the whole population, using the sewers as lines of communication and escape, under heavy bombardment, lasted for 63 days. The city was completely destroyed. Not only did the Russians cease to advance but they also refused to allow Allied planes to land on Russian airfields after dropping supplies. After surrendering many civilians and soldiers were executed or sent to concentration camps to be exterminated and Warsaw was razed to the ground. [Link: www.kasprzyk.demon.co.uk...]

118 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:20:30am

re: #104 jcm

O-my... How I remember that! LOL And yes even my neightbor had a bomb shelter.

119 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:13am

I can visualize the breathless panic of the left, who I'm quite sure assume that Bush will stomp the red button as his last act in office.

120 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:18am

re: #112 Noam Sayin'

A good recap


Thank You and here are Obama's EXACT words:

I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems...

...I will not weaponize space...

...I will slow development of future combat systems...

...and I will institute an independent "Defense Priorities Board" to ensure the quadrennial defense review is not used to justify unnecessary spending...

...I will set a goal of a world without nuclear weapons...

...and to seek that goal, I will not develop nuclear weapons...

...I will seek a global ban on the production of fissile material...

...and I will negotiate with Russia to take our ICBMs off hair-trigger alert...

...and to achieve deep cuts in our nuclear arsenals...

121 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:20am

So is it OK, like, to call for nuking Russia first? One good strategic first strike would ruin their whole day. Putin ought to think in those terms, but he thinks that the restriant on the part of the US in Afghanistan means weakness. Coupled with the possibility of an Obama Presidency with a Democratic Congress, he might be right. A lot is riding on this election.

122 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:21am

re: #109 The Other Les

Cringing pacifism will get you into big wars with ruthless assholes & Obama is a complete idiot.

123 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:29am

re: #115 reine.de.tout

Perhaps it is sometimes necessary to ensure a nerve is struck to force the bear's reaction.

The bully on the block is pissed someone had the nerve to stand up to them.

124 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:31am

re: #109 The Other Les

More like a kid with a toy plastic ball and a plastic bat playing in the back yard.

The freshman who wants to run the university.

125 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:33am

For those that think Obama entered into the Kremlin's calculus on this, you can just about forget it. Putin has been planning this for some time. They don't give a damn about who is the US president and if he did he would surely want Obama and therefore doing this now plays against this strategy. I suggest we all use our intellectual powers to analyze what is happening in Georgia sans any impact on US presidential candidates.

126 turn  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:38am

Defcon 5,4,3 ...

I don't think this will develop into a nuke exchange but I sure as hell wouldn't suggest getting rid of our nukes either. Barry must really be looking pretty silly even to the Europeans right now.

127 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:51am

re: #46 taxfreekiller

Clear your minds.

Who is it that most enabled this evil?

Is there a political party that has backed all the evil in the world?

Is there a bunch of co-commies about to try to elect a full blown
commie nut case to be President and Commander in Chief?

Is there a political party that has a traitor who worked with commies prior to help commies to win a war? Kerry, Vietnam.

Russia does not have what it takes to win out over us, there only chance is the U.S. Democratic Party and their co-commie msm.

Look within and see.

If you do not, and do not vote them out, great evil will come to all.

If you look at very problem that we must deal with on the political level it is very apparent that the one political party is THE major obstacle to a rational solution to those problems.

They have to go.

Let Joe Liberman, et al, start a new party.

128 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:56am

re: #45 Colonel Panik


re: #4 Killgore Trout
Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

Which is why I've been saying since this whole mess started that we need to take down the Castro regime and tHuggo ASAP.

At this point, any Tu-95 flight down the Eastern Seaboard, or Russian Navy ships parked in the Caribbean would be a crossing of the 'Red Line'. The Russian Bear bomber should be shot down. The Russian Navy is unlikely to be able to mount that mission. Its in very bad shape.

129 CynicalConservative  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:56am

re: #90 Tarkus289

This is all going on, and a judge recently ruled that the Navy is not allowed to use low frequency sonar because of the whales, and if I am not mistaken, they have stopped, or will soon.

F*ck the left.

Wonder if they'll actually pay attention to this ruling if it goes hot...

130 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:21:59am

re: #69 galloping granny

Iran got one big address this morning. The Iranian President went to Turkey to sign a multi-billion $ oil deal. Supposed to be announced this morning. Instead they announced that Turkey had canceled the deal.

Whoa!
Blimey!

Any reason given?

131 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:06am

Rush, speaking of this right now.

132 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:09am

re: #78 Ojoe Hey Ojoe!
I'm all in favor of developing/using (e.g., nuke power plants) alternative forms of energy, but don't see anything replacing oil in the near future - a hell of a lot of Americans NEED oil - including the elites in big cities like NYC who assume the groceries just turn up in the supermarket like magic!
We need to drill NOW. And, to the extent it is feasable, go for the oil shale. NOW.

133 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:12am

re: #116 yma o hyd


How he forgets if it wasn't for us. Germany would have taken them.

134 rorschach  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:16am

My only hope is that, when the fur starts to fly, some of it finds its way to Tehran, Damascus, Islamabad, and oh what the heck, Riyadh.

O.K., it's not my only hope, but a guy can daydream, can't he?

135 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:20am
136 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:23am

Has Putin converted?

137 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:25am

We should remind the Russian nuclear missile boats that we know where they are. And send a message that under the circumstances, they had better not get into missile firing position, or they will scrap metal.
And, indicate that, while the US does not intend to use nuclear weapons first, if Russia uses them against an ally, the US will not hesitate.

And, just to be sure, ship Israel the weapons they want to use against Iran.

138 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:29am

re: #69 galloping granny

Iran got one big address this morning. The Iranian President went to Turkey to sign a multi-billion $ oil deal. Supposed to be announced this morning. Instead they announced that Turkey had canceled the deal.

Turkey can see the writing on the wall. They were not, are not, and never will be friends with Russia. And having Iran ally with Russia is just too much for them.

139 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:47am

re: #106 seekeroftruth

There was a article just a few days ago about Russia, Cuba, and nukes.
Could be disinformation and bluster.
[Link: www.voanews.com...]

Bluster. We have control of a great big chunk of the island of Cuba - and all of the surrounding waters.

140 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:22:59am

Did Russia expect Obama to act like a wimp - or did they figure once McCain was more impressive they had to fill in the gap with their own rhetoric about how this was planned by Bush and Cheney to elect McCain?

141 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:09am

re: #47 itellu3times

They are against drilling for more apples.

When the Honorable Mr. Firefly was against something, it was funny.

142 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:10am

re: #114 Zippy_Slug

I suppose at that point big conventional attacks on their leadership positions & hopefully the regular people will drink vodka and there will be no problem for 30 or more years.

But this is all speculation

143 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:14am

re: #132 realwest

10,000 gallons per second in the U.S. consumed.

144 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:17am

re: #121 Iron Fist

I honestly think this plays into our hands. With the world going crazy, is it really a time we want to entrust leadership of our country in the hands of a man who has zero experience?

145 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:19am

Grrrrrr.

If people in my office don't start making a pot of coffee when they empty one....

I'LL GO NUCLEAR!

///

*pet peeve rant off*

146 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:43am
147 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:23:56am

The Dems will say that it's Bush's fault for pushing the shield...

They will get the media... they will be lauded for it... The convention will be all about it...

148 David Simon  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:24:07am

re: #62 karmic_inquisitor

The Russian insistance on escalation is just going to hasten the need to address Iran.

So is this:

Iraqi Shiite assassination teams are being trained in at least four locations in Iran by Tehran's elite Quds force and Lebanese Hezbollah and are planning to return to Iraq in the next few months to kill specific Iraqi officials as well as U.S. and Iraqi troops, according to intelligence gleaned from captured militia fighters and other sources in Iraq.

[Link: ap.google.com...]

149 itellu3times  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:24:25am

re: #141 The Other Les

When the Honorable Mr. Firefly was against something, it was funny.

It was Prof. Wagstaff who sang, "Whatever it is, I'm against it!"

150 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:24:28am

The Russians assumed that Poland would be the battle ground for theatre nukes. Reagan then deployed the Pershing II capable of pinpointing targets in Belarus and the Ukraine with pin point accuracy. A peace treaty was the result. Has Obama ever read a real history book as oppsed to Chomsky and the delusionists?

151 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:24:38am

re: #61 lifeofthemind

Every Russian Ship, including submarines, including SSBNs should know that there is an American hunter killer sitting just abaft her stern and taking photos of the Russian's screws. They can be so screwed so fast.


There is a story from the 80's that one time we wanted to mess with the USSR Navy. So every 688 class sub at the same moment sent a sonic ping to the ships they were trailing. Freaked them out i hear.

152 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:24:57am

re: #125 big steve

For those that think Obama entered into the Kremlin's calculus on this, you can just about forget it. Putin has been planning this for some time. They don't give a damn about who is the US president and if he did he would surely want Obama and therefore doing this now plays against this strategy. I suggest we all use our intellectual powers to analyze what is happening in Georgia sans any impact on US presidential candidates.

I'm not so sure about that. People outside the US really do not understand our political system - or Americans in general. Most of the world really thinks that HRH Obama has already won and do not understand that when push comes to shove, America always refuses to crown a king.

153 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:25:03am

The "O" is a BIG ZERO on military experience.

154 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:25:11am

re: #94 Dustoff-507
Hey there my friend - how dare you take such a non-defeatist attitude!?!

155 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:25:52am

re: #108 Killgore Trout

This also makes me wonder about Iran too. Russia might give them nukes instead of just helping them develop their own.

The world seems to be realigning and moving very fast these past couple of weeks. Who knows what will happen next. I've seen things these past two weeks I never expected to see in my lifetime.

156 lurking faith  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:25:58am
He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia’s military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.” Nogovitsyn that would include elements of strategic deterrence systems, he said, according to Interfax. [emphasis mine]

First, a more obvious implication that Russia still considers the USA its mortal enemy could not have been given. (Peace dividend, my a**.)

And second, if the statement is quoted accurately, they are claiming the right to nuke anybody who makes any kind of alliance with us, or with any other country that has nukes. Wow.

That's a whole lotta nukin'.

/I'll nuke who I wanna

157 Ceemack  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:02am

re: #58 galloping granny

I heard 4. But either way, it is enough to leave the Russian high command shaking heads and wringing hands trying to figure out how they managed to do it. Stupefied according to the report I read.


If the Russians actually depart Georgia, we'll have to look at how they can be defended in the future. U.S. or NATO combat troops are unlikely--geographically, they'd be almost impossible to support adequately against a determined Russian attack.

Nor would we want to supply Georgia with heavy ground and air systems, like tanks and fighters. These provide an offensive as well as a defensive capability, and could provoke another response from Russia. Georgia also can't afford to support them.

But anti-aircraft missiles--mobile medium-altitude systems and man-portable low-altitude systems--and anti-tank missiles are purely defensive, and could be provided to Georgia with a lower profile. We could put up the money, and the equipment could be bought on the open market. The French Milan is a good anti-tank system, for example--I think the U.S. has bought some.

Georgia doesn't need to be able to stop the Russians in their tracks...they just need the capability to wage a semi-guerilla defensive campaign that makes it very costly for the Russians to try this again. A good supply of modern defensive weapons, plenty of training and a flexible command-and-control system could do that without provoking Russia unnecessarily.

158 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:04am

re: #132 realwest

Yeah. more oil now. And nuke plants, ok. But eventually it will have to be mostly solar & that's a good thing, the sun is way more distributed than oil & look how much of the squabbling in the world is tied to oil.

So, world peace thru solar energy, it's one of the paths to that.

159 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:21am

Obama would let the tanks roll, just like he let Hillary roll right over him.

160 Elvis  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:22am

Hmm, let's see-
America: Overly extended "war on Terror" financing;
The Fed: Repeatedly lowers interest rates to finance war results in weakening of dollar and consumer prices way up;
Russia: Taking advantage -- entirely predictable;
NATO: Strongly worded condemnations -- Priceless.
[sarc /off]

161 Fat Jolly Penguin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:22am

re: #102 karmic_inquisitor

We all must remind ourselves that Obama is vastly more intelligent than any and all of us, and that he sees things in a completely new way which allows him to see solutions that no one before him could even contemplate.

/

To say nothing of knock-out sexy.

/barftastic warning

162 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:22am

re: #149 itellu3times

It was Prof. Wagstaff who sang, "Whatever it is, I'm against it!"

I had a former boss who would walk into a meeting and announce; "should we just begin arguing now or should we pick a topic first."

163 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:34am

re: #90 Tarkus289

This is all going on, and a judge recently ruled that the Navy is not allowed to use low frequency sonar because of the whales, and if I am not mistaken, they have stopped, or will soon.

F*ck the left.

low freq sonar is rarely used anyway except for training..
The last thing you ever want to do is tell the enemy exactly were you are..

164 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:26:59am

re: #97 Zippy_Slug
Uh, forget the missile defense, if Russia launches ICBM's loaded with nuke weapons, we launch too.
End of story - maybe end of the World. But we'd have to launch. Period.

165 theheat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:27:06am

If Russia was to just arbitrarily up-and-bomb Poland, do you think anyone would notice? Would that be enough, or would it be the aloof observation other countries have practiced since the invasion of Georgia? You have to wonder, at what point does the rest of the world get off their dead asses and give a damn?

Clearly, Russia has the inclination and resources, not to mention the history, of pretty much doing as if pleases. Right now, it pleases Russia to invade and conquer Georgia. Next, it may please Russia to turn Poland into a black smear. Following that "unfortunate little incident", it may please Russia to sit off the USA coastline, fortifying our enemies with nuclear weapons.

At what point does this become unacceptable, and require a more emphatic response than a strongly worded letter, or a visit from one of our gutless jackasses from the state department? Once again, it looks as though the burden of response will land squarely on the shoulders of the United States, since the rest of the world doesn't give a flying fuck.

166 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:27:19am

re: #125 big steve

For those that think Obama entered into the Kremlin's calculus on this, you can just about forget it. Putin has been planning this for some time. They don't give a damn about who is the US president and if he did he would surely want Obama and therefore doing this now plays against this strategy. I suggest we all use our intellectual powers to analyze what is happening in Georgia sans any impact on US presidential candidates.

I'm really not sure I can agree with this. I think there are other countries who watch and analyze our candidates and our elections with much more thought that some of our own citizens. Who is President, plus the fact that a President is on his way out and a new one about to be elected, plays a big part in what other places in the world decide to do or not do. They very well may have been planning this for some time; but I think our election cycle and the fact that Obama appears to be on his way in, played a big part in their decision to go forward with their plans.

167 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:27:26am

re: #146 buzzsawmonkey

I think Obama has firsthand experience of Marxist theory in action too, but from the commissar side.

At least if one judges by his youthful mentor and his adult friends.

I would agree with you there.

BTW, something is whispering in the back of my head that Russians were actually involved in interrogating prisoners at the Hanoi Hilton. So McCain may very well have real first hand experience of Russian Marxist philosophy.

168 right_wing2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:27:41am

And of course, when the Obamessiah asks that all nuclear weapons be destroyed, Putin and the mad mullah's will obey.

All will kneel in awe before the Obamessiah!

169 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:27:49am

re: #145 jcm

I hate why the people arond me make coffee. It's killer.

4 scoops for at 10 cup maker. YUCK! (-:

my head spins all day long

170 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:27:54am

re: #89 itellu3times

Judging from BP's troubles, the war right now is between the oligarchs and the government.

Some oligarchs are already in prison, have been for some time - others are in Europe, wsting their illicit money, and playing with their football clubs ...

I'm beginning to think that there may be a power struggle between some very hard army generals and Putin himself.
This threat looks like a gauntlet, thrown down not just to the USA, but also at home to Putin: 'work with the Army or else! Show that you mean what you told us!'

(Heh - I may be way off beam here, of course ...)

171 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:28:00am

re: #106 seekeroftruth

There was a article just a few days ago about Russia, Cuba, and nukes.
Could be disinformation and bluster.
[Link: www.voanews.com...]

Nuclear-capable bombers in Cuba would be a waste of bombers. We could shoot them down before they got anywhere near us; it would cost, keeping interceptors in the air, but they'd never get within range.

However, missiles would be a problem.

172 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:28:54am

re: #59 realwest

Um, not to mention our "Boomers" - our nuclear powered submarines, each of which carries enough nuclear warheads to independently hit, iirc, over 120 targets. Some have had partial converstion to non-nuke missiles. Lots haven't. And many of those that haven't are sitting quiety, targets already entered into the computers, awaiting word from the CiC.
Will Russia use nukes on Poland? I'm not a prophet or seer, but unless Putin is totally off his rocker: NO.

Never happen

173 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:10am

re: #154 realwest


Ok buddy... NUKE them till they glow. That work? (-:

174 BackwardsBoy  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:23am

Obama just doesn't understand that there are a lot of jealous countries in the world who would love to cut the US down to size. I've been linking to articles about Iranian tests of an EMP attack because that scenario scares the shit out of me. If the Vapid One can't figure out that we have enemies, which is a constant in this world today, he is a very grave danger to our country. His proposal to stop missile defense programs is proof that he doesn't love our country enough to protect it.

175 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:25am

re: #169 Dustoff-507

I hate why the people arond me make coffee. It's killer.

4 scoops for at 10 cup maker. YUCK! (-:

my head spins all day long

You think it's too much or too little? I use one scoop for every 2 cups.

176 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:27am

Alfred to Batman: Some men just like to watch the world burn.

177 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:33am

re: #84 Opinionated

Russia is openly threatening a nuclear attack in Europe.

If McCain doesn't start showing a substantial lead in the polls in the coming days, something is seriously wrong with the American people.

Something IS wrong, with the MSM.

178 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:35am

re: #66 pat

Obama makes Carter seem merely simpleminded.

Jimmy is merely simpleminded. He didn't need Obama to prove it.

:-)

179 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:36am

re: #169 Dustoff-507

you need

espresso

180 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:37am

I can't wait to see Obama's back-flip on this issue.

I wonder what his score will be? Will he get extra points if his nose doesn't grow?

181 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:38am

Don't forget to air up your tires before you duck and cover.

182 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:43am

re: #169 Dustoff-507

I hate why the people arond me make coffee. It's killer.

4 scoops for at 10 cup maker. YUCK! (-:

my head spins all day long

We got these individual packets of about 20 different coffees..
Morning is heaven here

183 freedomplow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:47am

This would be a good time for every country in Europe to tell Russia they will take a missile shield too.

184 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:29:59am

re: #127 The Other Les

The problem is, other than Lieberman, who'd be in that Party? Joe's looking pretty lonesome. The rest of the Donks have drunk the anti-American koolaid.

185 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:30:05am

re: #55 FurryOldGuyJeans

I find it rather strange the SciFi Channel would choose now to show the anti-nuclear/anti-war/Anti-Reagan screed The Day After. Coincidence? I doubt it.

How far in advance is their programming determined?

186 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:30:16am

re: #174 BackwardsBoy

Obama just doesn't understand that there are a lot of jealous countries in the world who would love to cut the US down to size. I've been linking to articles about Iranian tests of an EMP attack because that scenario scares the shit out of me. If the Vapid One can't figure out that we have enemies, which is a constant in this world today, he is a very grave danger to our country. His proposal to stop missile defense programs is proof that he doesn't love our country enough to protect it.

Is it that he doesn't understand, or is it that he agrees with them?

187 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:30:36am

BTW, they are about to have a discussion of Fox of the 40-page "rebuttal" of Obama Nation. HRH Obama will not be swiftboated!

Heh!

188 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:30:47am

re: #166 reine.de.tout

However....if you were out to extend your influence, wouldn't you want Obama in the White House versus McCain? If so, they why Georgia now? They could have easily waited till spring.

No.....I think the reasons have nothing to do with our future president. There are suspicious things about the timing and again, when it all comes out we will find out that someone is gaining power on someone else within Russia.

189 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:30:59am

re: #173 Dustoff-507

Ok buddy... NUKE them till they glow. That work? (-:

Then shoot them at night, as someone posted yesterday.

190 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:31:26am

Espresso?

This works now.

191 DistantThunder  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:31:39am

Obambi gives off the wounded animal signal familiar to every predator. And here comes Jaws 1 and Jaws 2 (Putin and Hillary) Who would show up next?

192 Dizzy26  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:31:56am

This latest development, and threat, may just be the excuse the big eared ONE needs to back out of his promised appearance tomorrow night!

193 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:31:59am

Ok all.

Take a breath. As Realwest has already said. Russia has no real combat forces. If they used nukes (which they won't) they would still lose.

Puting is just huffing & puffing and hoping he get's away with it.

I think Bush should just laugh at him.

194 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:02am

re: #185 MandyManners

How far in advance is their programming determined?

Obviously they knew this was coming. They must have a direct link to Rove.

195 RedDish  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:03am

Anyone know what Germany thinks of Obama now?

196 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:29am

re: #175 reine.de.tout

One scoop =10 cups. NOT 4. LOL

197 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:30am

re: #188 big steve

However....if you were out to extend your influence, wouldn't you want Obama in the White House versus McCain? If so, they why Georgia now? They could have easily waited till spring.

No.....I think the reasons have nothing to do with our future president. There are suspicious things about the timing and again, when it all comes out we will find out that someone is gaining power on someone else within Russia.

I don't disagree with the part I bolded. That very well may be part of this, too. But I do believe our election cycle and they way things appeared to be heading play a part in what countries like Russia decide to do or not do, at any given time.

198 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:39am

re: #165 theheat

If Russia were to just up and bomb Poland as you say, we might very well find ourselves in the biggest hot war in 63 years.

Poland is...

A. A member of NATO. Which means, their NATO allies must come to their aid if they are to honor the treaty. The Baltics would, as would the US with either Bush or McCain as President. Ukraine, I think, would as well. I would also expect the Turks to aid given their history with Russia.

B. A fairly strong US ally in Europe, in Afghanistan, and in Iraq. They went with us when the French and others abandoned us.

C. Very strategic ground in Europe. It's defense means protecting the ungrateful French and Germans, as well as others like the Danes.

199 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:46am

re: #191 DistantThunder

1,000 updings for that observation, it is spot on.

200 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:50am

re: #174 BackwardsBoy

Obama just doesn't understand that there are a lot of jealous countries in the world who would love to cut the US down to size. I've been linking to articles about Iranian tests of an EMP attack because that scenario scares the shit out of me. If the Vapid One can't figure out that we have enemies, which is a constant in this world today, he is a very grave danger to our country. His proposal to stop missile defense programs is proof that he doesn't love our country enough to protect it.

I think he DOES understand and he is one THEIR side.

201 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:55am

re: #185 MandyManners

How far in advance is their programming determined?

Months Mandy. They have a website. It is usually a matter of themeatic content. They tend to theme. Creature features, Space adventurers etc.

202 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:32:56am

re: #96 Sir Napsalot

The Russians don't even try to use 'smart munitions' to eliminate/minimize collaterol damage, they just use the WWII old tactics with the bullying tanks and guns blazing.

Still can't believe there are no PEACE rallies around the world this weekend, with millions upon millions of demonstrators.

"OCCUPIERS"
"No Blood for OIL"
"Russia Lied, People Died"
...

I do believe it.

The so-called peace movement has been a wholly owned subsidiary of the Kremlin since World War Two.

203 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:33:00am

Hmmm. I guess the Russkies really want to ignite the next Cold War. In addition to beefing up our military and intelligence presence, we'd better prepare emergency shipments of natural gas to Europe this winter.

If the American people vote for Obama, they're voting for another Jimmy Carter.

204 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:33:12am

re: #189 Ford_Prefect


Damn dude, YOUR mean! (-:

205 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:01am

re: #161 Fat Jolly Penguin

To say nothing of knock-out sexy.

/barftastic warning

So this is BHO's response to everything that is happening. "The world is coming apart at the seems...think I'll go swimming."

206 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:06am

re: #193 Dustoff-507

Ok all.

Take a breath. As Realwest has already said. Russia has no real combat forces. If they used nukes (which they won't) they would still lose.

Puting is just huffing & puffing and hoping he get's away with it.

I think Bush should just laugh at him.

He can laugh all he wants as long as he bites back in some way. Putin and his new Ruslan need to pay some sort of price for this even if it's being booted out of the G8.

207 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:08am

re: #125 big steve

For those that think Obama entered into the Kremlin's calculus on this, you can just about forget it. Putin has been planning this for some time. They don't give a damn about who is the US president and if he did he would surely want Obama and therefore doing this now plays against this strategy. I suggest we all use our intellectual powers to analyze what is happening in Georgia sans any impact on US presidential candidates.

Again, though, if you look at the 2006 elections and the media/elite disdain for Bush, and look at it through a European filter a Democrat elected in 2008 was almost a given. Especially with the re-empowered Left hanging over their heads.

208 keyword  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:25am
Can't I just eat my poi?

/The One

209 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:28am

re: #180 Josephine

I can't wait to see Obama's back-flip on this issue.

I wonder what his score will be? Will he get extra points if his nose doesn't grow?

He has been extremely quiet for days now. Ever since he did the flop following the flip and got his hat handed to him as a johnny-come-lately copycat.

Besides, he is busy trying to refute Obama Nation.

210 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:35am

re: #133 Dustoff-507

How he forgets if it wasn't for us. Germany would have taken them.

... and if Hitler had actually let his generals do their job properly ( perish the thought!).

211 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:35am

re: #196 Dustoff-507

One scoop =10 cups. NOT 4. LOL

Well, then you would never be able to drink my coffee! 1 scoop of dark roast for every 2 cups of coffee made. Been drinking coffee like that since I was 6.

212 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:35am

re: #97 Zippy_Slug

If for some reason the Soviets.. er.. I mean Russia try to launch, and the missile defense works.. Would we be justified in a nuclear response?

We don't have enough interceptors to stop everything that Putin can launch at us. There WILL be a response.

213 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:34:36am

re: #186 Sharmuta

Same thought occurred to me. I think he is part of the deconstructionist movement that is a cause celeb in academic circles. Obama has always had academic pretensions.

214 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:35:42am

re: #193 Dustoff-507

Ok all.

Take a breath. As Realwest has already said. Russia has no real combat forces. If they used nukes (which they won't) they would still lose.
Puting is just huffing & puffing and hoping he get's away with it.

I think Bush should just laugh at him.

SO WOULD WE AND SO WOULD THE REST OF THE WORLD. No one can win all-out nuclear war between nations as heavily armed as we and Russia are armed.

215 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:35:42am

One would hope that all of these world events would make the sane-minded members of the world realize that it is in their best interest to be friends with the U.S. again. Our nuclear umbrella is quite a comforting concept. Keep in mind, most of the hatred we hear about is left wing B.S. in the first place, and mostly left wing hatred. I know that smart people in all countries know we are the "good guys"

216 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:35:43am

Man...I know I've been participating in these discussions, but I just don't know if I can deal with it anymore. I have family near, but I live alone (with some pets), and I feel isolated and helpless as all this unfolds. There just isn't much I can do but hope the world doesn't blow up before we have a chance to elect McCain. I wish like hell we were acting more decisively right now. It's the relative inaction that scares me. Reagan was always DOING something, always keeping the Russians off balance. That could get scary too, but one thing was certain, the Russians were damn scared of Reagan, and took him seriously.

217 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:35:50am

re: #185 MandyManners

How far in advance is their programming determined?

Normally several weeks at least, but stations can and occasionally do make literally last-minute changes to reflect something they consider worthy of attention by their viewing audience. Not being an avid TV watcher (except for non-fiction fare like history or science shows) I don't scan ahead for what to watch. More and more I am finding any TV I do watch is by DVD from the library, Netflix, or Blockbuster Online.

218 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:35:57am

re: #140 DistantThunder

The Russians figured the US was distracted by the election, watching the Olympics and tied up in Iraq. And they did not want to do this in the winter. A year from now none of those things would have been true. And the Georgians, who have been getting a big training course from the US would be all the stronger.

219 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:02am

re: #48 sevoguy

Anyone know the correct amount of Russian Migs downed by Georgians? I've heard about 8.

I've heard 4 frogfoots and 1 bomber-I think prop driven. Either way, this will be an expensive invasion for them.

220 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:02am

re: #144 Sharmuta

I hope you are right. The last three elections have been critical. Can you imagine 9-11 with Al Gore as President? Iraq under John Kerry? Now we are facing a resurgent Russia, still armed with nuclear weapons, and not at all afraid to threaten with them. Yet Obama is still slightly ahead in the polls.

I'll be happy when this election is over with.

221 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:06am

re: #204 Dustoff-507

Damn dude, YOUR mean! (-:

Just quoting somebody from yesterday, don't remember who.

222 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:08am

re: #194 Ford_Prefect

Obviously they knew this was coming. They must have a direct link to Rove.

When does the Magnificent Bastard sleep?

223 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:37am

Obama took his kids to the Arizona Memorial yesterday. I don't think Michelle could stomach the trip. Bit too patriotic for her tastes.

224 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:38am

McCain needs to look at Obama then look at the camera and say "My friends this is no time for amateurs. The security of America is not soething that can be treated as a photo op or given to someone who thinks he can show up and get the t-shirt.

225 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:40am

re: #211 reine.de.tout

Well, then you would never be able to drink my coffee! 1 scoop of dark roast for every 2 cups of coffee made. Been drinking coffee like that since I was 6.


One scoop per cup for me...

226 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:41am

re: #198 Honorary Yooper


A member of NATO. Which means, their NATO allies must come to their aid.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

This is where I disagree. NATO just like the UN is a joke. Look what happened during Kosovo. USA did most of the lifting.
I just think they would huff and puff... but never really come to their aid unless we sent in everything!

227 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:52am

re: #195 RedDish

Anyone know what Germany thinks of Obama now?

I bet they're laughing and crying at the same time.

228 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:36:59am

re: #154 realwest

Hey there my friend - how dare you take such a non-defeatist attitude!?!

When this started up, I read up on status of nuclear forces. Those of us who remember the old days of MAD remember strike, counter strike etc.

The Russian threat in nuclear terms is as Dustoff put BS.
I let interested lizard do their own research.

The US maintains it's full compliment of land based ICBMs, sea launched ICBMs and air launched mostly cruise missiles. All of our stuff works and is in play.

The Russians on the other hand are in bad shape. Only their land based solid fueled rocket force is really ready. The liquid fueled force is maintenance intensive and largely ineffective. Their sub force cannot counter the Ohio's and their remaining SSBN's are not in great shape and can be countered by SSN's so they essentially have no sea launch strike capacity. The same for their air launch, they can muster only a portion of their force and that will run into F-22 wings and is not a player.

The point is only a fraction of Russian nuclear warhead are really in play.

Russian know this, a nuclear exchange would devastate us, and annihilate them. Russia is not Iran, they are not suicidal.

The threat is aimed at those who can be cowed into appeasement.

229 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:37:26am

re: #201 pat

Months Mandy. They have a website. It is usually a matter of themeatic content. They tend to theme. Creature features, Space adventurers etc.

I'm sure this was a mere coincidence.

230 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:37:35am

re: #225 scottishbuzzsaw

One scoop per cup for me...

Brave woman!

231 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:37:37am

re: #206 vapig


I'm not saying don't push... hell shove. Just not buying this O-no nukes talk.

232 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:37:45am

re: #187 galloping granny

HRH Obama will not be swiftboated

I LOL when J effin Kerry was one of the ones leading the counterassault against Corsi's current book using as evidence the 'failed' accusations made in 'Unfit for Command'. Has Kerry ever released his full military records as promised? I didn't think so.

The more the Obamamessiah (Press Bloviations Upon Him) whinges about this stuff by attacking Corsi as opposed to addressing the specifics of the real charges against him - the complete lack of detail and explanations on his policies beyond 'change' - then he is making the same major strategic mistake that Kerry made in '04.

It's easy to attack Corsi. That's not the point. The point is still that this candidate remains clueless about economics and geopolitics. We had a President once who was like that. I remember the Carter years. I would prefer to not experience them again.

233 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:37:59am

i am glad we have decided to step up polands defense.

234 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:38:17am

re: #223 pat

I guess they went to see what damage that Bomb did.

235 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:38:20am

re: #230 reine.de.tout

Brave woman!

Yup, I like it strong. Must be the Scot in me!

236 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:38:24am

re: #76 noshariaincanada

LLLefties love this kind of subtle Russian diplomacy.

Russian (or Chinese) bluster gives them a collective woody.

237 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:38:26am
238 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:38:43am

re: #195 RedDish

The watermelons of Germany still love him. They don't love the US, so that is probably the reason they still love the Obamamessiah (Press Bloviations Upon Him).

239 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:38:55am

re: #169 Dustoff-507

I hate why the people arond me make coffee. It's killer.

4 scoops for at 10 cup maker. YUCK! (-:

my head spins all day long

We have an automated bean grinder, Starbucks beans. Fresh grinds right into the brew filter. Put the filter in the maker push brew....

It's not that hard......

240 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:39:14am

re: #228 jcm


BINGO..... can you say 'smoke & mirrors'

241 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:39:18am

re: #226 Dustoff-507

A member of NATO. Which means, their NATO allies must come to their aid.
++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++

This is where I disagree. NATO just like the UN is a joke. Look what happened during Kosovo. USA did most of the lifting.
I just think they would huff and puff... but never really come to their aid unless we sent in everything!

That's why I said this as well, Dustoff,

if they are to honor the treaty

That said, the Baltics, Turkey, Ukraine (non-NATO), as well as the US would get involved. We and they cannot afford not to.

242 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:39:22am

re: #220 Iron Fist

I hope you are right. The last three elections have been critical. Can you imagine 9-11 with Al Gore as President? Iraq under John Kerry? Now we are facing a resurgent Russia, still armed with nuclear weapons, and not at all afraid to threaten with them. Yet Obama is still slightly ahead in the polls.

I'll be happy when this election is over with.

Hmmmmm, your recitation of the last three election cycles points up something I had been feeling on a subconscious level for quite some time. Each election the Dems have been putting up someone more Leftist and Anti-American than the last.

243 tfc3rid  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:39:25am

I believe that Russia has clearly crossed the line... There is no turning back relations-wise between the West and Russia now... She has isolated herself once again but this time, the West will not allow further aggression...

However, I really do think that the Russians will give Iran, Cuba and Venezuela nukes... Much more dangerous than before...

244 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:00am

re: #23 Maximu§

I was a soldier in the Cold War and I don't remember ever hearing threats like this from the USSR...ever.

Russians play chess well, but this is a risky move for them.


Given the immediacy and global reach of MIRVed ICBMS, we are all Cold Warriors. Unless of course, everyone everywhere destroys every nuclear device extant, destroys all design plans, forgets how to build them and all uranium disappears from the Earth. (moonbattish, isn't it?)

Thanks for being there keeping us safe.

245 Miss Trixie  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:03am

re: #204 Dustoff-507

Damn dude, YOUR you're mean! (-:

Fixededed. :P

246 Red Cloud  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:09am

Russia is clearly at this point banking on the election of Mr. Obama. Pooty-Poot is ready to fire up the Cold War again and wants his nation in the driver's seat when it happens.

They're all talk, though. If Russia were to actually nuke Poland for no apparent reason, even if there was a claimed reason, you'd have to think that would be enough to wake pacifist Europe from their peace-at-any-price slumber.

It's 1941 again and there's a different sleeping dragon out there - Europe. It'll be awfully difficult to wake them, but the Russians have the capability.

247 RedDish  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:12am

re: #238 Athos

But, when Russia invades Poland....who does Germany want as President then?

That could be a new campaign ad!

248 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:30am

re: #155 Honorary Yooper

The world seems to be realigning and moving very fast these past couple of weeks. Who knows what will happen next. I've seen things these past two weeks I never expected to see in my lifetime.

It also makes me think that some of the seething crowds of would-be jihadists may very quietly collect their toys and re-think of which side they really want to be on.
After all - the sort-of-islamic republics of the former Soviet Union might well be on the minds of those generals for the next bit of 'peace-keeping' ...

When elephants start dancing, the rest of the animals better watch out!

249 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:35am

WTF happened to Germany?

sixty-odd years ago, they fielded one tough army and their soldiers were hard veterans.....now, after 2 generations of socialism, their a buncha pansies! I read in Afghanistan recently, their soldiers could'nt even fire back at the Taliban.

We can't count on Germany to help us...France is worse....Britains military is shrunken to a self-defence force....Spain has gone the same way as Germany.

We really don't have any European friends that will back us up if push comes to a shove.

250 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:42am

re: #202 The Other Les

I do believe it.

The so-called peace movement has been a wholly owned subsidiary of the Kremlin since World War Two.

Actually, since World War I. I'm in the process of going through books for the coming school year. Our theme this year is going to be Modern Times by the Decade. So, I ordered a book of historical documents specifically about WWI and was amazed to discover that the things that today's "peace movement" has to say are word for word quotations of what the "peace movement" and "international solidarity movement" were saying in 1910 or so.

251 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:43am

re: #226 Dustoff-507

A member of NATO. Which means, their NATO allies must come to their aid.
++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++++++++ ++

This is where I disagree. NATO just like the UN is a joke. Look what happened during Kosovo. USA did most of the lifting.
I just think they would huff and puff... but never really come to their aid unless we sent in everything!

I agree. When we were attacked on 911 I was actually surprised and gratified when they enacted Article 5 of the NATO charter - an attack on one is an attack on all. But when push came to shove we see what that support actually consisted of.........

252 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:43am

re: #203 quickjustice

Hmmm. I guess the Russkies really want to ignite the next Cold War. In addition to beefing up our military and intelligence presence, we'd better prepare emergency shipments of natural gas to Europe this winter.

If the American people vote for Obama, they're voting for another Jimmy Carter.

/Maybe Gerhard Schroeder can throw some weight around in Moscow...

253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:40:58am

One of my co-workers was just explaining to me how this whole thing was orchestrated by a secret meeting of business and world leaders in order to make money off war contracts and loans.

254 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:41:02am

re: #231 Dustoff-507

I'm not saying don't push... hell shove. Just not buying this O-no nukes talk.

Gotcha!

255 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:41:35am

re: #246 Red Cloud

1938, not 1941. Georgia is playing the role of Czechoslovakia this time around, and South Ossetia is the Russian Sudetenland.

256 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:41:58am

This is slightly off topic , but at least ties in to Barry.
FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11.
To me though the isuue is free speech. No surprise, he is getting death threats. So many Obama supporters are angry, addled, applicants for victimhood. Here is the kicker though, Kos posted his address & is encouraging his minions to leave their mothers basement & go harass the Corsi family.
The Obama campaign has launched into ad hominem attacks rather than refute his assertions. Their most serious attack on the facts is that he got the date of the Obama wedding wrong!

257 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:03am

re: #244 Sol Roth

Given the immediacy and global reach of MIRVed ICBMS, we are all Cold Warriors. Unless of course, everyone everywhere destroys every nuclear device extant, destroys all design plans, forgets how to build them and all uranium disappears from the Earth. (moonbattish, isn't it?)

Thanks for being there keeping us safe.

We have to forget all quantum physics etc..... the nuclear chain reaction is a part of nature. Go look at teh sun (carefully) if you don't believe.

258 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:04am

re: #228 jcm

When this started up, I read up on status of nuclear forces. Those of us who remember the old days of MAD remember strike, counter strike etc.

The Russian threat in nuclear terms is as Dustoff put BS.
I let interested lizard do their own research.

The US maintains it's full compliment of land based ICBMs, sea launched ICBMs and air launched mostly cruise missiles. All of our stuff works and is in play.

The Russians on the other hand are in bad shape. Only their land based solid fueled rocket force is really ready. The liquid fueled force is maintenance intensive and largely ineffective. Their sub force cannot counter the Ohio's and their remaining SSBN's are not in great shape and can be countered by SSN's so they essentially have no sea launch strike capacity. The same for their air launch, they can muster only a portion of their force and that will run into F-22 wings and is not a player.

The point is only a fraction of Russian nuclear warhead are really in play.

Russian know this, a nuclear exchange would devastate us, and annihilate them. Russia is not Iran, they are not suicidal.

The threat is aimed at those who can be cowed into appeasement.

I think you're right. This is poker, though, and we will probably have call their bluff.
It has been the Russians betting a million rubles, us raising 100 rubles, the Russians raising 10 million; etc.

259 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:06am

re: #220 Iron Fist

It's interesting there are no polls out right now asking the American people what they think of this mess. Traditionally, when foreign affairs become more pressing, it's the Republicans who Americans turn to. I just can't imagine we'd call a rookie out of the bullpen.

260 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:10am

re: #239 jcm


WOW you guys rate... Granted, the company pays for ours. (-:

261 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:23am

re: #216 Tigger2005

the Russians were damn scared of Reagan, and took him seriously.

I spent time in the Soviet Union as an exchange student, I speak a little Russian, and today I have business dealings with two Russian companies. Certainly not wanting to generalize about a people I admire, but Russians today are feeling insecure about their place in the world. They do not want to return to Soviet communism but they certainly do want to return to their status as a world leader. They are just very clumsy on how they do this. Also their political system is well beyond broke. While they do have elections, the whole Putin in the background thing makes it clear that they don't have timeworn political processes. Also they are flush with cash (the government that is) which always makes their leader binge happy. I don't think Georgia is a prelude to WWIII it is just an internal manhood contest.

262 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:29am

Does anyone know what kind of target the Milan Army Ammunition Plant would make for nukes?

[Link: www.globalsecurity.org...]

263 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:31am

So I say we deploy a Pershing III.

264 RedDish  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:43am

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hopefully, you were drinking some strong coffee at the time...which is now all over his/her shirt. From your nose.

265 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:49am

re: #171 Kosh's Shadow

Nuclear-capable bombers in Cuba would be a waste of bombers. We could shoot them down before they got anywhere near us; it would cost, keeping interceptors in the air, but they'd never get within range.

However, missiles would be a problem.

Those Bears carry a very long range cruise missile. But if they land in "Cuber" they are definitely in range of our fighters.

266 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:42:53am

I smell a sweet deal on Polish real estate for the US Army/Air Force.

267 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:43:02am

re: #241 Honorary Yooper


True, but I just don't trust the bastards!

268 Dizzy26  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:43:38am

The entire free world is going to be adding a 'closing' line in their prayers
tonight; "God, (Allah), let the United States protect us too!

269 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:43:54am

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

From now on, when someone starts talking B.S. like that, just walk away in the middle of their sentence. If they have any respect for you, this action may make them think how ridiculous they sound.

270 Red Cloud  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:44:03am

re: #255 Honorary Yooper

Different reference. In 1941, after Pearl Harbor, somebody (one of the moderates) in Japan feared that all they had done was "awoken a sleeping dragon."

I agree with the 1938 reference in regards to the situation in Georgia. Any situation in Poland might quickly escalate into the Europeans finally realizing that sometimes you have to back up words with real action.

271 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:44:19am

re: #261 big steve

Unfortuantely, internal pissing contests can become much bigger events on the world stage. Wouldn't be the first time, and I'm certain it would not be the last time.

272 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:44:28am
273 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:44:31am

re: #249 Maximu§

WTF happened to Germany?

sixty-odd years ago, they fielded one tough army and their soldiers were hard veterans.....now, after 2 generations of socialism, their a buncha pansies! I read in Afghanistan recently, their soldiers could'nt even fire back at the Taliban.

We can't count on Germany to help us...France is worse....Britains military is shrunken to a self-defence force....Spain has gone the same way as Germany.

We really don't have any European friends that will back us up if push comes to a shove.

We have drummed it into the German people just how bad and horrible they are for more than 60 years now. We have piled tremendous guilt on their younger generations for WWII. One Lizard a year or so ago was telling about an exchange student that she had from Germany a couple of years ago that was horribly depressed and negative about his own country. She had to educate him about the many wonderful things that Germans have been responsible for - he had learned nothing but guilt at home.

274 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:02am

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my co-workers was just explaining to me how this whole thing was orchestrated by a secret meeting of business and world leaders in order to make money off war contracts and loans.

Does he get his information from Alex Jones? Tex Marres?

275 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:04am

re: #165 theheat

Look at the map of Poland, my friend. Germany would most certainly 'notice' - and so would the Czech republik, Hungary, the Baltic States. and the Ukraine. Those more than any others know what its like to be under Soviet domination.
They notice already, and if anything happens remotely looking like Georgia, there will be no hesitation that time.
Its one thing to deal with places 'far away' - its another if stuff in your own backyard is threatened.

276 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:12am

re: #265 Colonel Panik


Let's see Cuba is 90 miles out. A F-22 fly's at mach 2. So what 2 mins to target. (-:

277 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:37am

re: #260 Dustoff-507

WOW you guys rate... Granted, the company pays for ours. (-:

Company pays too, high tech, more perks, stocked soda fridge, stocked snack shelf.

*rubbing it in if you can't tell ;-)*

278 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:43am

re: #237 buzzsawmonkey

Let me agree, and add that until the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, there was a vigorous anti-war movement in this country prior to World War II.

Anyone remember "America First" and the "German-American Bund"? Or even the Communist Party of the U.S., which was adamantly anti-war until Hitler attacked Russia?

It's 1936 again, people.

279 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:43am

Koskidz embrace Buchanan as they arrive at the moronic convergence......
Pat Buchanan, Caught Making Sense!

For the past week, the MSM and the McCain Campaign have been bending over backwards to portray Georgia as the victim in the Russia/Georgia conflict.
It seems everytime I turn on the TeeVee, Saakashvili is on, talking to Wolf, Larry King, or whoever, stating his case for America to come to his aid against the Big Bad Bear. The MSM has been, once again, giving only one side of the story, and leaving out whatever doesn't fit the NeoCon Narrative of "Democracy Good, Russia Bad". Not one single news outlet was even reporting anything about this "conflict" until Russia responded. Then the narrative was established that it was RUSSIA that was using the Olympics as a cover to "take over" Ossetia.

This is a lie.

Progressive!

280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:45:59am

re: #264 RedDish

Hopefully, you were drinking some strong coffee at the time...which is now all over his/her shirt. From your nose.

I asked him if he was referring to the Pentaverate, which included the Gettys, the Rothschilds, the Pope and Col Sanders before he went tits up in the chicken business, using a Scottish accent.

He was not amused.

281 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:03am

I have an old high school buddy in Poland with the military. Hope he and his family stay safe. Last I chatted with him over Facebook, it was before everything went wacko over in that part of the world. Bet he's been busy!

282 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:13am

re: #266 maddogg


Great tour of duty.... not fair for us old soldiers.. )-:

283 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:14am

re: #261 big steve

I don't think Georgia is a prelude to WWIII it is just an internal manhood contest.

Let's put Putin and Saakashvili in a cage.

284 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:22am

re: #256 opnion

He missed sending WAB an anniversary gift? I bet she is pissed! Besides, how is this book helping her children? That is the question we all should be asking ourselves.

(The Obamas are beyond parody)

285 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:45am

re: #275 yma o hyd

I have to agree- I don't believe the Poles want to return to tyranny. They will fight to keep the freedom they've won. Same with their neighbors who were in similar boats.

286 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:49am

re: #277 jcm


DAmn. Time for me to look for another job. LOL

287 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:50am

re: #209 galloping granny

He has been extremely quiet for days now. Ever since he did the flop following the flip and got his hat handed to him as a johnny-come-lately copycat.

Besides, he is busy trying to refute Obama Nation.

I'm so out of the loop, I hadn't heard about the book. I'll have to read up about it; thanks.

(Will I ever finish my major spring cleaning/reorganizing? I need to win the lottery so I can scrap it all and buy a new house with lots of storage space.)

288 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:54am

re: #249 Maximu§

We really don't have any European friends that will back us up if push comes to a shove.

Realistically, we have very few friends who will do that anywhere in the world. The ones that will do so because of shared values not because of any treaty - military or economic.

We cannot buy friends and allies. We either have them or not. Surrendering, appeasing, and or going prostrate before other nations to do what they want us to do in order to gain their 'friendship' gains us neither a friend or respect. We need to stop worrying about what others think of us and start leading and standing proud on our values. Those values made this country into what it is.

289 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:46:58am

re: #258 Kosh's Shadow

I think you're right. This is poker, though, and we will probably have call their bluff.
It has been the Russians betting a million rubles, us raising 100 rubles, the Russians raising 10 million; etc.

The message is to Congress and the rest of the weak kneed who crap their pants at every time some one says "nuc."

290 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:01am

re: #256 opnion

This is slightly off topic , but at least ties in to Barry.
FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11.
To me though the isuue is free speech. No surprise, he is getting death threats. So many Obama supporters are angry, addled, applicants for victimhood. Here is the kicker though, Kos posted his address & is encouraging his minions to leave their mothers basement & go harass the Corsi family.
The Obama campaign has launched into ad hominem attacks rather than refute his assertions. Their most serious attack on the facts is that he got the date of the Obama wedding wrong!

One good thing: That 41 page rebuttal makes HRH Obama look like the biggest whiney baby in the universe. And he just handed out 41 extra pages of ammunition to the fact checkers of the world. Nearly every word of it can be re-rebutted by Obama's own words, either from his books or video.

291 Red Cloud  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:01am

re: #249 Maximu§

Doesn't Germany have some kind of self-defense clause similar to the Japanese following World War II, so that they can't initiate action except for self-defense?

Which is stupid, I might add - we really ought to especially let the Japanese off the leash. With their economy and history, they could potentially create a very resourceful military - one that would now be a potent ally.

292 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:09am

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I asked him if he was referring to the Pentaverate, which included the Gettys, the Rothschilds, the Pope and Col Sanders before he went tits up in the chicken business, using a Scottish accent.

He was not amused.

ROFLMAO!

293 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:31am

re: #232 Athos

I LOL when J effin Kerry was one of the ones leading the counterassault against Corsi's current book using as evidence the 'failed' accusations made in 'Unfit for Command'. Has Kerry ever released his full military records as promised? I didn't think so.

Apparently he did: to the NY Times, LA Times and the Washington Post, under the stipulation they report only certain things and not let anyone else see them. Either they are absolutely and completely in the tank for the Democrats, or they signed some legally-binding document for the privilege, because they're still sitting on them. This way Lurch can dismiss any further inquiry into releasing his full records, without anything embarassing or politically damaging ever coming to light.

294 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:41am

re: #270 Red Cloud

Different reference. In 1941, after Pearl Harbor, somebody (one of the moderates) in Japan feared that all they had done was "awoken a sleeping dragon."

I agree with the 1938 reference in regards to the situation in Georgia. Any situation in Poland might quickly escalate into the Europeans finally realizing that sometimes you have to back up words with real action.

Admiral Yamamoto made that statement; he planned the attack on Pearl Harbor, and pulled it off, despite his misgivings.

I think others make the same mistake Tojo did, to think the US won't wake up. Osama, I think, was one of those, and now Putin.

295 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:47am

re: #276 Dustoff-507

Let's see Cuba is 90 miles out. A F-22 fly's at mach 2. So what 2 mins to target. (-:

Not to mention that we fly in and out of Cuba all the time ----->Gitmo.

296 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:51am

re: #284 Iron Fist

He missed sending WAB an anniversary gift? I bet she is pissed! Besides, how is this book helping her children? That is the question we all should be asking ourselves.

(The Obamas are beyond parody)

True

297 rlevitin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:47:53am

It occurs to me that the primary reason so many moonbat lefties are screaming that this is some sort of right-wing conspiracy specifically engineered to get McCain elected, is probably because they feel themselves preferring McCain as POTUS over their chosen One in a world where these events can unfold as they are.

The only way to solve this type of psychological problem is to deny the reality of what is happening and convince themselves that McCain/Bush or some McCain/Bush lackey is really the only one orchestrating all of this... reaffirming their desire for "Change" and convincing themselves all the more that Obama is the only "Hope".

Thus, the louder one screams about how this will help McCain, the more one doubts Obama's qualifications...

298 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:48:18am

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I asked him if he was referring to the Pentaverate, which included the Gettys, the Rothschilds, the Pope and Col Sanders before he went tits up in the chicken business, using a Scottish accent.

He was not amused.

You left out the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission!

299 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:48:24am

re: #286 Dustoff-507

DAmn. Time for me to look for another job. LOL

It's really rough back when we were a startup we had catered lunch every day. Now we got pretzels and soda. Hard times, hard times I tell 'ya.

300 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:48:44am

re: #273 galloping granny

We have drummed it into the German people just how bad and horrible they are for more than 60 years now. We have piled tremendous guilt on their younger generations for WWII. One Lizard a year or so ago was telling about an exchange student that she had from Germany a couple of years ago that was horribly depressed and negative about his own country. She had to educate him about the many wonderful things that Germans have been responsible for - he had learned nothing but guilt at home.

Sounds like the guilt trip the Liberals try and pile on our kids.

301 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:48:48am

re: #283 MandyManners

I don't think Georgia is a prelude to WWIII it is just an internal manhood contest.

Let's put Putin and Saakashvili in a cage.

Wonder who would win in the cage with Putin - McCain or Obama. Obama is younger, probably quicker on his feet, and probably had to duke it out a few times as a mixed race kid. McCain, while older, just looks flat assed mean.

302 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:25am

re: #301 big steve

Does McCain get to bring his jet?

303 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:27am

re: #298 RememberSekhmet?

You left out the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission!

The Illuminati have put you on their watch list!

304 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:39am

re: #211 reine.de.tout

Well, then you would never be able to drink my coffee! 1 scoop of dark roast for every 2 cups of coffee made. Been drinking coffee like that since I was 6.

Since you were six?

Reine, somebody's gotta have a talk with your mama...

; )

305 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:42am

re: #298 RememberSekhmet?

You left out the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission!

And, the Club of Rome.

306 RedDish  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:50am

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Okay. I admit I had to look it up. That done, I like it!

307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:53am

re: #298 RememberSekhmet?

You left out the Bilderberg Group and the Trilateral Commission!

lol, he actually mentioned the Bilderberg group. I asked "Build a burger? Like a cheeseburger?"

Again, not amused.

308 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:49:57am

re: #303 jcm

The Illuminati have put you on their watch list!

FNORD!

309 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:50:03am

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my co-workers was just explaining to me how this whole thing was orchestrated by a secret meeting of business and world leaders in order to make money off war contracts and loans.

Tri-lateral commission, Bergermeister BS? I had a few guys on a gun board attack me because I called such beliefs bogus and paranoid.

310 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:50:05am

No problem, we'll just tell Putin to get rid of all his nukes.

- Obama

/pass the doobie, haole!

311 ZenLizard  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:50:10am

"Don't try to defend yourself from our nukes, or we'll nuke ya!"
.....Whaaaa? THAT'S RETARDED!

312 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:50:15am

re: #305 MandyManners

And, the Club of Rome.

That reminds, me I'm getting hungry.

313 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:50:23am

re: #301 big steve

Wonder who would win in the cage with Putin - McCain or Obama. Obama is younger, probably quicker on his feet, and probably had to duke it out a few times as a mixed race kid. McCain, while older, just looks flat assed mean.

Smart money on Putin over Barry & McCain could whip either one of them.

314 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:50:24am

re: #301 big steve

Wonder who would win in the cage with Putin - McCain or Obama. Obama is younger, probably quicker on his feet, and probably had to duke it out a few times as a mixed race kid. McCain, while older, just looks flat assed mean.

I'd rather have Sen. McCain at my six than BHO.

315 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:06am

re: #305 MandyManners

And, the Club of Rome.

Bretton Woods conference! PNAC! The Amero!

/uh, yeah

316 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:10am

re: #216 Tigger2005

{Tigger}

Do not despair!

317 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:14am

re: #256 opnion

This is slightly off topic , but at least ties in to Barry.
FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11.

WTF? Linkys please. I had no idea this guy was a troofer.

His book on Kerry in '04 was excellent. I was reading his Obama book last night and contrary to the assertions made by some he does not claim that Obama is a Muslim or that he went to a "Madrassa" as we know them in Pakistan, but he did say the Obama's exposure to Islam as a child in Indonesia would likely make him more disposed to be sympathetic to Muslim political demands.

318 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #256 opnion

Corsi's book is number 1 on the NY Times bestseller list, meaning it has critical mass. It must be killing Obama.

When you stick a pig , he squeals. Obama is squealing like . . .

319 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:25am

re: #314 MandyManners

I'd rather have Sen. McCain at my six than BHO.

Yeah, but which one would you let eat crackers in your bed?

320 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:26am

re: #304 Josephine

Since you were six?

Reine, somebody's gotta have a talk with your mama...

; )

Six? Oh so you were a Chinese gymnast then too>

321 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:37am

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lol, he actually mentioned the Bilderberg group. I asked "Build a burger? Like a cheeseburger?"

Again, not amused.

I prefer Cheezeburger to Bildaberger stuff

322 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:47am

re: #312 Kenneth

That reminds, me I'm getting hungry.

Burgers and club sandwiches will get ya' going.

323 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:47am

re: #121 Iron Fist

So is it OK, like, to call for nuking Russia first? One good strategic first strike would ruin their whole day. Putin ought to think in those terms, but he thinks that the restriant on the part of the US in Afghanistan means weakness. Coupled with the possibility of an Obama Presidency with a Democratic Congress, he might be right. A lot is riding on this election.

The reality is that we, like a police officer, must wait for Russia to escalate the use of force. And you know that it will take Russia invading Poland or the Ukraine before the "New World Order" twits reach a consensus that we have to defend ourselves.

Until then, it'll just be the usual gum-flapping and DNC treason sideshow.

324 wiffersnapper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:51:51am

Change we can believe in!

325 littleO  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:00am

The first sniff test everyone need apply to candidates for POTUS is over national defence! It doesn't matter what kind of world a candidate envisions. Its all about the world we live in. Demo's want us to vote for them with a 'wink-wink' we'll do the necessary things, trust us mentality.
obama seriously needs to reflect on whether he really wants the job. This worlds problems are not going away with retoric. Depending on signed agreements can seriously damage this country's strategic position, leading to terrible calamity.
Bush didn't invision this war. Didn't want to fight it. The trouble is that Obama see's the war, and wants to sidestep it.
There is a strong possibility he will win this election!

326 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:01am

I would like McCain to make some statements regarding Old Europe's near complete lack of defense capability/equipment. AND the lack of will to use it. This is in their back yard (again) and the Euros simultaneously blame us (The United States) for the problem and look to us for protection.

327 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:02am

re: #288 Athos

Realistically, we have very few friends who will do that anywhere in the world. The ones that will do so because of shared values not because of any treaty - military or economic.

We cannot buy friends and allies. We either have them or not. Surrendering, appeasing, and or going prostrate before other nations to do what they want us to do in order to gain their 'friendship' gains us neither a friend or respect. We need to stop worrying about what others think of us and start leading and standing proud on our values. Those values made this country into what it is.

Good point and very well said. There was a time when other countries worried about what we thought of them.

328 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:05am

re: #6 Sharmuta

Yes- how dare Russia's neighbors defend themselves. You assholes really want to nuke Poland? Bring it- you'll get your ass handed to you.


Apparently not by us.

329 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:06am

re: #287 Josephine


Naaaa, don't do that. I have a house with a huge garage and two large storage areas and guess what... full of JUNK. )-:

330 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:08am

re: #247 RedDish

But, when Russia invades Poland....who does Germany want as President then?

That could be a new campaign ad!


who are you going to call at 3am during an invasion?

331 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:17am

re: #301 big steve

Putin is KGB, martial arts and in pretty good shape.

332 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:18am

Gen George S Patton was correct.
And paid for it with his life.

333 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:22am

re: #313 opnion

Smart money on Putin over Barry & McCain could whip either one of them.

At the same time, with one arm tied behind his back.

334 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:23am

re: #287 Josephine

I'm so out of the loop, I hadn't heard about the book. I'll have to read up about it; thanks.

(Will I ever finish my major spring cleaning/reorganizing? I need to win the lottery so I can scrap it all and buy a new house with lots of storage space.)

There actually are a few out - 4 or 5 out of the Top 10 books in politics on Amazon - and HRH Obama's books are not in the top 10 at all.

I went into Borders a couple of days ago and they had a great big table stacked with them all just inside the front door. I did finally find a single copy of obama's audacity book towards the back of the store on the next to the bottom shelf. If you had not gone into specifically to find it you would never have known it was there.

335 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:24am

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lol, he actually mentioned the Bilderberg group. I asked "Build a burger? Like a cheeseburger?"

Again, not amused.

Or Build-A-Bear Workshop?

336 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:27am

re: #291 Red Cloud

Doesn't Germany have some kind of self-defense clause similar to the Japanese following World War II, so that they can't initiate action except for self-defense?

Which is stupid, I might add - we really ought to especially let the Japanese off the leash. With their economy and history, they could potentially create a very resourceful military - one that would now be a potent ally.

If I was the German leader I would have my German forces heavily involved in Afghanistan fighting besides the Americans, just to give them a feel for combat and a taste of blood.

You let an Army sit for 60-odd years and it becomes worthless.

337 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:42am

Russian propaganda on Fox.....
FOX News Rudely Cuts-Off Anti-Georgian Girl On Live T.V.

FOX news, the main mouthpiece of war-monger GW Bush fully backs western-loving Georgia in this current war and rudely cutted off a pro-Russian 12-year-old girl for simply saying the truth.... that GW Bush's Georgian puppets are the main instigators of this war and the ones committing indescriminate civilian attacks in South Ossetia.

338 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:52:42am

re: #315 Ward Cleaver

Bretton Woods conference! PNAC! The Amero!

/uh, yeah

Bohemian Grove!

339 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:12am

re: #315 Ward Cleaver

Bretton Woods conference! PNAC! The Amero!

/uh, yeah

Don't forget the Freemasons, Rosecrutions, and of course, the Joooos

340 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:15am

re: #319 Kenneth

Yeah, but which one would you let eat crackers in your bed?

Ew. Neither.

341 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:18am

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

lol, he actually mentioned the Bilderberg group. I asked "Build a burger? Like a cheeseburger?"

/Henry Kissinger accent on

"At zee Bild-a-burger ve bild a bettah burger!"

342 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:20am

re: #299 jcm


I feel for ya brother.

Did I tall you some 6'4 puke took a swing at me in the Mukilteo postoffice.

343 opnion  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:21am

re: #290 galloping granny

One good thing: That 41 page rebuttal makes HRH Obama look like the biggest whiney baby in the universe. And he just handed out 41 extra pages of ammunition to the fact checkers of the world. Nearly every word of it can be re-rebutted by Obama's own words, either from his books or video.

I think that the Obama campaign is trying to run out the clock.
The longer that this goes on, the more nutty Barry looks.
The Rebvuttal is to tie things up , but as you point out could be a major mistake if things are not verified.

344 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:56am

re: #331 Tarkus289

Putin is KGB, martial arts and in pretty good shape.

Putin was an engineer.....us engineers, we fight with slide rules.

345 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:53:56am
346 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:07am

re: #326 RTLM

I would like McCain to make some statements regarding Old Europe's near complete lack of defense capability/equipment. AND the lack of will to use it. This is in their back yard (again) and the Euros simultaneously blame us (The United States) for the problem and look to us for protection.

It's a sick symbiosis but, we encouraged it for ages.

347 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:14am

re: #305 MandyManners

And, the Club of Rome.

Don't forget the Priory of Sion.

And the Grey aliens.

348 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:20am

re: #293 Spiny Norman

Apparently he did: to the NY Times, LA Times and the Washington Post, under the stipulation they report only certain things and not let anyone else see them. Either they are absolutely and completely in the tank for the Democrats, or they signed some legally-binding document for the privilege, because they're still sitting on them. This way Lurch can dismiss any further inquiry into releasing his full records, without anything embarassing or politically damaging ever coming to light.

All of which would make the average person wonder just what was in them that required a confidentiality agreement. Surely he must have something really bad there to hide, or he wouldn't be trying to hide them.

349 right_wing2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:29am

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my co-workers was just explaining to me how this whole thing was orchestrated by a secret meeting of business and world leaders in order to make money off war contracts and loans.

Cranial-rectal inversion syndrome?

350 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:37am

re: #319 Kenneth

Yeah, but which one would you let eat crackers in your bed?

Cindy McCain!

351 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:44am

I am given to understand that the "German Army" is unionized, and therefore fully as effective as that implies.

352 calvin coolidge  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:49am

If BHO becomes President, he wants us to learn other languages. I'm going out and buy my "Learn Russian" book now, because if he becomes President it will end up being our official language.

353 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:54:54am

re: #334 galloping granny

There actually are a few out - 4 or 5 out of the Top 10 books in politics on Amazon - and HRH Obama's books are not in the top 10 at all.

I went into Borders a couple of days ago and they had a great big table stacked with them all just inside the front door. I did finally find a single copy of obama's audacity book towards the back of the store on the next to the bottom shelf. If you had not gone into specifically to find it you would never have known it was there.

Wow!

354 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:55:20am

re: #252 RTLM

/Maybe Gerhard Schroeder can throw some weight around in Moscow...

Gah!
Will he say, 'we don't want you oil/gas any more, give us back the money'?
Fat chance!

(There's nothing I loathe as much as self-confessed socialists who get everybody to cut back on everything - but rake the money in for themselves once they leave office. Tony Blair did just that, like schoeder ...)

355 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:55:36am

re: #340 MandyManners

Something tells me you would have been all over this John McCain.

356 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:55:42am

re: #293 Spiny Norman

Given those three, I would place my money on being completely in the tank. Legally binding documents signed to bring about silence of newsworthy information shouldn't be a roadblock to organizations that have very little hesitation publishing classified information on legal intel and surveillance programs that proved very effective in fighting terrorism in order to embarass the Administration they loath and damage the ability of the country to fight.

I was aware that he signed a limited release, and thought the AP was also included, but that there were still significant gaps in the data provided those 'news' organizations.

It's telling that the attacks against Corsi today are the same vague words as used in 2004. One would think that PDF's of the records on the web / pictures on the print pages would be more effective of a rebuttal.

But then, there's the same lack of substance in those rebuttals as in Obamamessiah's (Press Bloviations Upon Him) 'Change' mantra.

357 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:55:47am

re: #337 Killgore Trout

Russian propaganda on Fox.....
FOX News Rudely Cuts-Off Anti-Georgian Girl On Live T.V.

rudely cutted off

I'm trying hard not to laugh.

358 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:55:52am
359 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:08am

Japan's imposition of non-aggressive action is now self-imposed. it is a huge political issue and playing with it can get people unelected in a jiffy. The deprivations of WWII and the post war years, empty of young males weighs heavy on the society.
Japan has a very capable military. it's navy and submarine forces are excellent. It could nuclearize in 3 weeks, by it's own estimate. The USA has for the last 2 decades asked it to participate more in US efforts, but Japan limits itself to support, money, and humanitarian aid. Nevertheless it has proven itself to be among the best friends of the USA.

360 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:12am

re: #281 RememberSekhmet?

Busier than a one-legged man at an ass-kicking contest! ;-)

361 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:13am

re: #319 Kenneth

Yeah, but which one would you let eat crackers in your bed?

John McCain hands down. HRH Barack Obama is one of those "memememe" self centered types that would do his thing for 2 minutes and roll over.

362 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:19am

Question, what does the HRH before obama's name mean?

363 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:19am

re: #345 buzzsawmonkey

YUP, great research! Funny thing was, with all the flip flopping in the interests of Mother Russia, the CPUSA totally borked its chances with the American electorate, even before the Cold War.

364 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:27am

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

Don't forget the Priory of Sion.

And the Grey aliens.

And, the Royal Family are shape-shifters!

365 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:28am

re: #344 big steve


I'm staying away for you... dangerous dude!

366 RedDish  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:30am

re: #355 Kenneth

Hmmmm. Love a man in a flight suit!

367 RememberSekhmet?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:56:49am

re: #347 Kosh's Shadow

Don't forget the Priory of Sion.

And the Grey aliens.

And it all takes place in Area 51.

368 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:09am

re: #364 MandyManners

And, the Royal Family are shape-shifters!

Shape shifting LIZARDS!

369 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:09am

Sen. McCain knew about Putin a long time ago.

370 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:13am

re: #171 Kosh's Shadow

Nuclear-capable bombers in Cuba would be a waste of bombers. We could shoot them down before they got anywhere near us; it would cost, keeping interceptors in the air, but they'd never get within range.

However, missiles would be a problem.

THe Democrats still get mileage from the story of how tough Jack Kennedy won the Cuban Missile Crisis. Problem is we didn't win. THe Russians pulled out the ground based missiles from Cuba and the US pulled the ground based Jupiter missiles from Turkey. Kruschev got retired but survived. Which is a first and one of two with Gorbachev for a Soviet leader.

The problem is that the Russians got to take an SSBN and tie it to the pier in Cuba on a "port visit." The net result remained Soviet ballistic missiles in plain sight with perfect above ground communications to Moscow and less than 10 minutes of flight time to their targets.

371 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:21am

re: #318 quickjustice

Corsi's book is number 1 on the NY Times bestseller list, meaning it has critical mass. It must be killing Obama.

When you stick a pig , he squeals. Obama is squealing like . . .

A platypus?
///

372 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:22am

Yes, Corsi is a 9/11 nut job. 1:00 in.

373 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:24am

re: #362 Tarkus289

His Royal Highness

374 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:57:52am

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If the old SNL crew was still on, and Gilda Radner still with us, I can envision an Emily Latella commentary substituting 'Build a Bear' stores for Bilderburger......

"Nevermind'.

375 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:04am

re: #173 Dustoff-507
Sorry my friend - just not in the mood for joking about this - I really, truly believe Putin has lost it.
Seriously.

And I'm just tired of all the folks who are now -again- second guessing the only President we have now or will have until January 20, 2009 and providing fodder for the Lefties and their friends.
And yet the MSM say NOTHING about Obama's not stepping up to the plate.
I see us at war again - cold for now, hopefully never hot - and am old fashioned enough to think that the oppostion party and it's presumptive nominee ought to be stepping up to the plate and supporting the President vs Russia but instead have turned the world upside down and say we INVITED this on ourselves.

376 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:17am

re: #361 galloping granny

You speak from bitter experience...

377 vapig  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:18am

re: #361 galloping granny

John McCain hands down. HRH Barack Obama is one of those "memememe" self centered types that would do his thing for 2 minutes and roll over.

2 minutes? I think you're overestimating him........

378 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:35am

re: #262 MandyManners

Regarding Milan? I really don't know other than the fact that I grew up within two miles of a similar, larger plant. We were always under the impression that we were a target but now I would think that other targets such as transportation hubs, etc., might be higher priority. Who knows.

379 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:42am

re: #373 big steve

Thanks...

380 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:46am

re: #375 realwest

What he said. Double.

381 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:52am

re: #256 opnion

This is slightly off topic , but at least ties in to Barry.
FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11.

To me though the isuue is free speech. No surprise, he is getting death threats. So many Obama supporters are angry, addled, applicants for victimhood. Here is the kicker though, Kos posted his address & is encouraging his minions to leave their mothers basement & go harass the Corsi family.

The Obama campaign has launched into ad hominem attacks rather than refute his assertions. Their most serious attack on the facts is that he got the date of the Obama wedding wrong!

Fucked up as that is, I doubt any Koslings would leave their basements to do anything that suspiciously resembles work, unless somebody offered free Cheetos and Red Bull.

382 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:56am

re: #359 pat

Japan's imposition of non-aggressive action is now self-imposed. it is a huge political issue and playing with it can get people unelected in a jiffy. The deprivations of WWII and the post war years, empty of young males weighs heavy on the society.
Japan has a very capable military. it's navy and submarine forces are excellent. It could nuclearize in 3 weeks, by it's own estimate. The USA has for the last 2 decades asked it to participate more in US efforts, but Japan limits itself to support, money, and humanitarian aid. Nevertheless it has proven itself to be among the best friends of the USA.

And do remember that their non-military military has indeed participated in Iraq - both on the ground and providing refueling facilities for the navy.

383 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:58:59am

re: #357 MandyManners

Yeah, I think they were given more time than they should have been given. I'm pissed Fox gave them the forum at all.

384 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:59:15am

re: #377 vapig

2 minutes? I think you're overestimating him........

As my wife says, the longer the speach the shorter the......

385 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:59:25am

re: #337 Killgore Trout
they are teaching the children so young these days

386 kuffar  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:59:30am

I actually want Obama in power...

So he and his party can be unveiled as the most corrupt, idiotic, naive, lying, cabal of fellow-traveler 'progressives' and serve as a final nail in the coffin.

Imagine the Munich Appeasement he'd be responsible for. It might actually give Munich to Russia.

Then perhaps when war breaks out and after all this liberal appeasement liberalism in America will be ultimately defeated.

387 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:59:32am

re: #370 lifeofthemind

We would have one if Kennedy had not pulled the air support from the Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs. There would have been no missile crisis because Castro would have been deposed.

388 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:59:50am

re: #329 Dustoff-507

Naaaa, don't do that. I have a house with a huge garage and two large storage areas and guess what... full of JUNK. )-:

Eeeeeeek!

389 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:59:53am

re: #1 Honorary Yooper

Two words:

HOLY SHIT!

My first thought was BULL SHIT instead...
I keep trying to imagine our military freaking out like this if Mexico or Canada got defensive systems... so I say BS because I think they protesteth too much and that the defensive systems would put a crimp in their previously cooked up plans to resume their USSR bullyship.

390 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:00am

re: #351 maddogg

I am given to understand that the "German Army" is unionized, and therefore fully as effective as that implies.

OMG, no wonder they ran away from that firefight in Afghanistan....perhaps the shooting happened on a Union Schnitzel and Bier break.

391 Pyrocles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:05am

NPR went out of their way this morning to interview a Media Matters spokesman, who described a huge Conservative conspiracy to get right-wing books onto the market. He said that corporations buy tons of copies of Conservative books to inflate sales and artificially get their books onto the best-seller lists. Also said that the president of Simon & Schuster is a GOP operative.

re: #318 quickjustice

Corsi's book is number 1 on the NY Times bestseller list, meaning it has critical mass. It must be killing Obama.

When you stick a pig , he squeals. Obama is squealing like . . .

392 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:06am

re: #257 jcm

We have to forget all quantum physics etc..... the nuclear chain reaction is a part of nature. Go look at teh sun (carefully) if you don't believe.

Fusion bombs need some fission event to get them started if I'm not mistaken?


If we, uh like dude, like, like, like, mine out all the uranium and send it to the sun dude (bonghit, bonghit, bonghit, ear dude, exhale) then there'd be like, you know, none of those things we were talking about.

Dude, what were we talking about?

393 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:06am
394 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:11am

Looks like this may be affecting the polls...

[Link: www.gallup.com...]

Gallup at a tie. Obama was up by 6 recently.

395 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:20am

re: #315 Ward Cleaver

Bretton Woods conference! PNAC! The Amero!

/uh, yeah

The Bohemian Grove!

396 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:23am

re: #381 Spiny Norman

Fucked up as that is, I doubt any Koslings would leave their basements to do anything that suspiciously resembles work, unless somebody offered free Cheetos and Red Bull.

What you dont realize it was in fact a cunning ploy to lure out Kossacks into an ambush.

397 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:24am

The Jupiter was a liquid fuel crazy ass dangerous missile that we were going to shit can anyway.

398 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:24am

re: #362 Tarkus289

Question, what does the HRH before obama's name mean?

His Royal Highness. I refuse to do as some do and use the "president" word even in jest. America will never have a king, so HRH is safe on the path from my fingertips/lips to G_d's ears.

399 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:36am

re: #375 realwest


I agree buddy, but all you and I can do is way this game out.

For sure Ptin bit off far more than he can chew.

400 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:46am

re: #386 kuffar

The only problem would be that war would lead to yet another expansion of government activity.

401 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:48am

re: #334 galloping granny

That's good news, then; glad to hear it!

402 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:00:58am

re: #301 big steve

Putin learned hand-to-hand from the KGB, so it wouldn't be a fair fight. Head-to-head in combat aircraft-- McCain.

Obama with a gun, and Putin with a knife? In one minute, Putin would have both the gun and the knife.

403 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:01:19am

re: #372 RTLM

Yes, Corsi is a 9/11 nut job. 1:00 in.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

He's about as reliable as Debka.

404 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:01:26am

re: #291 Red Cloud

Doesn't Germany have some kind of self-defense clause similar to the Japanese following World War II, so that they can't initiate action except for self-defense?

Which is stupid, I might add - we really ought to especially let the Japanese off the leash. With their economy and history, they could potentially create a very resourceful military - one that would now be a potent ally.

The Americans are very popular throughout Asia because we are not the Japanese. Americans may be fat, boorish and over sexed but Koreans, Philippinos, Australians and even Chinese prefer the US Navy to the Japanese Army. Our problem is that the new generation may not remember that.

405 big steve  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:02:09am

re: #361 galloping granny

John McCain hands down. HRH Barack Obama is one of those "memememe" self centered types that would do his thing for 2 minutes and roll over.


Change!..........the sheets.

406 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:02:40am

re: #388 Josephine


It's a pain.. worse of all, my kids come by. (hey dad i have no more room for this, can you help me) Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

407 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:03:27am

re: #386 kuffar

I actually want Obama in power...

So he and his party can be unveiled as the most corrupt, idiotic, naive, lying, cabal of fellow-traveler 'progressives' and serve as a final nail in the coffin.

Ah, no. If Carter wasn't enough to convince everyone, Barry won't do it, either.

30 years on, we're still dealing with the products of Jimmah's knucklehead policies.

408 rightwinger3  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:03:27am

re: #375 realwest

Sorry my friend - just not in the mood for joking about this - I really, truly believe Putin has lost it.
Seriously.

And I'm just tired of all the folks who are now -again- second guessing the only President we have now or will have until January 20, 2009 and providing fodder for the Lefties and their friends.
And yet the MSM say NOTHING about Obama's not stepping up to the plate.
I see us at war again - cold for now, hopefully never hot - and am old fashioned enough to think that the oppostion party and it's presumptive nominee ought to be stepping up to the plate and supporting the President vs Russia but instead have turned the world upside down and say we INVITED this on ourselves.

realwest, right on the money, but nothing is different here really other than the fact that Truman, Kennedy, Johnson and hell I'll even say Carter are smarter about world affairs than the messiah even though he toured the world to "bolster his credentials". What a f'in joke.

409 Pyrocles  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:03:38am

Could you imagine what would happen if there was catastrophic terrorist attack soon after Obama and the Democrats abolished the Patriot Act? They'd never be in power again...

re: #386 kuffar

I actually want Obama in power...

So he and his party can be unveiled as the most corrupt, idiotic, naive, lying, cabal of fellow-traveler 'progressives' and serve as a final nail in the coffin.

Imagine the Munich Appeasement he'd be responsible for. It might actually give Munich to Russia.

Then perhaps when war breaks out and after all this liberal appeasement liberalism in America will be ultimately defeated.

410 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:03:50am

re: #372 RTLM

Yes, Corsi is a 9/11 nut job. 1:00 in.
[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Jeebus...that Youtube movie though looks like it was done by Obama supporters...I mean using Media Matters as a source?

I'm withholding judgement on Corsi until I know more details on his trooferism.

411 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:04:03am

re: #216 Tigger2005

Man...I know I've been participating in these discussions, but I just don't know if I can deal with it anymore. I have family near, but I live alone (with some pets), and I feel isolated and helpless as all this unfolds. There just isn't much I can do but hope the world doesn't blow up before we have a chance to elect McCain. I wish like hell we were acting more decisively right now. It's the relative inaction that scares me. Reagan was always DOING something, always keeping the Russians off balance. That could get scary too, but one thing was certain, the Russians were damn scared of Reagan, and took him seriously.


Boy do I know how you feel. The thing is I just can't believe Bush is doing NOTHING - I just think he's keeping quiet about it.

412 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:04:07am

re: #338 MandyManners

Bohemian Grove!

Bob Weir, Mickey Hart and Richard Nixon! It's more proof that the 5/8/77 Cornell "concert hoax" was a CIA mind-control experiment.

/Barry Birkenstock

413 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:04:23am

re: #375 realwest

Sorry my friend - just not in the mood for joking about this - I really, truly believe Putin has lost it.
Seriously.

And I'm just tired of all the folks who are now -again- second guessing the only President we have now or will have until January 20, 2009 and providing fodder for the Lefties and their friends.
And yet the MSM say NOTHING about Obama's not stepping up to the plate.
I see us at war again - cold for now, hopefully never hot - and am old fashioned enough to think that the oppostion party and it's presumptive nominee ought to be stepping up to the plate and supporting the President vs Russia but instead have turned the world upside down and say we INVITED this on ourselves.

I'm not worrying about this too much realwest. I'm sure that even the most unobservant of the American voting public are really starting to take notice now that we hear from John McCain on this issue every day and he is right on the money every day - and yet we hear nothing from HRH Obama because he is busy "body surfing" in Hawai'i. Its pretty darned apparent just who is taking care of business.

Having the press point it out any more than they do would just give Obama a cluebat.

414 godfrey  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:04:30am

Is anyone surprised that hard power beats soft power?

415 Truck Monkey  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:04:53am

re: #283 MandyManners

I don't think Georgia is a prelude to WWIII it is just an internal manhood contest.

Let's put Putin and Saakashvili in a cage.

UFC F*ck Yeah. I think that Saakashvili could kick the Putsters ass. He has that square boxer head.

416 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:04:55am

re: #291 Red Cloud

Doesn't Germany have some kind of self-defense clause similar to the Japanese following World War II, so that they can't initiate action except for self-defense?

Which is stupid, I might add - we really ought to especially let the Japanese off the leash. With their economy and history, they could potentially create a very resourceful military - one that would now be a potent ally.

Well - as Galloping Granny has pointed out above, both Japan and Germany have been very successfully 're-educated' about their horrid militaristic behaviour and general vileness in WWII.
Now while that was fully justified right after the war - its now become so entrenched that both nations have great difficulties getting back to their honourable traditions.
It also doesn't help, in the case of Germany, that any crime by Neo-Nazi groups is magnified right across the globe, and used as a sign that ll Germans are still Naazis.
This never happens when similar groups do the same stuff in other countries.
And - to my shame - I have to say that the Brits are first and foremost in general German-bashing.
So perhaps a change in attitude towards Germany at least might be in order ...

417 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:01am

re: #387 Colonel Panik

We would have one if Kennedy had not pulled the air support from the Cuban exiles at the Bay of Pigs. There would have been no missile crisis because Castro would have been deposed.

I agree that if the invasion went forward it needed full support. I am not convinced that as planned it would have succeeded anyway.

418 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:02am

re: #371 Hard Right

A platypus?
///

The word is that David Freddoso's book is better, more well researched, and harder to debunk.

419 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:05am

re: #375 realwest

Indeed. We could easily be on the precipice of world war, but rather than strengthening a sitting president and providing a unified front to a potentially deadly enemy, the left are siding with a sworn enemy of the US (yet again) because it is election time and their entire platform is "we're not Bush" so they feel they must side with anyone against him.

(Putting aside the whole left-socialist worldview connection)

420 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:07am

re: #355 Kenneth

Something tells me you would have been all over this John McCain.

Ayup. Ooh. My new desktop/wallpaper/whatever.

421 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:31am

The only answer to that statement and the ongoing Russian support of Iranian nuclear ambitions is to sell (give) the Poles about 20 updated Pershing IIs and variable yeild warheads.

They really didn't like it when we deployed them to Germany.

Imagine how upset the will be if a Pole had his finger on the trigger.

422 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:35am

re: #256 opnion

This is slightly off topic , but at least ties in to Barry.
FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11.
To me though the isuue is free speech. No surprise, he is getting death threats. So many Obama supporters are angry, addled, applicants for victimhood. Here is the kicker though, Kos posted his address & is encouraging his minions to leave their mothers basement & go harass the Corsi family.
The Obama campaign has launched into ad hominem attacks rather than refute his assertions. Their most serious attack on the facts is that he got the date of the Obama wedding wrong!

FWIU after seeing Skelletor Colmes is that they are attacking minor mistakes on Corsi's part to claim the whole book is innacurate or lies.
As for harassing him, I doubt he's someone who would tolerate that sort of thing.

423 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:47am

re: #407 Spiny Norman

Ah, no. If Carter wasn't enough to convince everyone, Barry won't do it, either.

30 years on, we're still dealing with the products of Jimmah's knucklehead policies.

Sadly, it is the truth. Stupidity is so easy to get and maintain.....

424 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:48am

Also, didn't Israel do a technology demo recently that thoroughly snookered Russian air defense technology? How pissed was Russia about that? Mad enough to run a diversion (like this) for Iran's benefit? Heads up, Israel!

425 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:05:49am

re: #406 Dustoff-507

Those kids!

I saw the last half of a Dr. Phil show with a woman who had a house full of stuff plus three storage lockers. She just couldn't part with anything. She was paying so much for storage that she couldn't afford medical insurance.

426 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:06:24am

re: #386 kuffar

I actually want Obama in power...

So he and his party can be unveiled as the most corrupt, idiotic, naive, lying, cabal of fellow-traveler 'progressives' and serve as a final nail in the coffin.

Imagine the Munich Appeasement he'd be responsible for. It might actually give Munich to Russia.

Then perhaps when war breaks out and after all this liberal appeasement liberalism in America will be ultimately defeated.

He can get unveiled in somebody else's country on somebody elses dime at somebody else's time. You might want to run a quick count of your marbles.

427 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:06:32am

re: #410 Colonel Panik

I'm going by what he said on Alex Jones' radio show. He sounded like Rosie O'Donnell

428 Sol Roth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:06:44am

re: #392 Sol Roth

Fusion bombs need some fission event to get them started if I'm not mistaken?


If we, uh like dude, like, like, like, mine out all the uranium and send it to the sun dude (bonghit, bonghit, bonghit, ear dude, exhale) then there'd be like, you know, none of those things we were talking about.

Dude, what were we talking about?

HTML on the moonbat switches didn't print. Shirley, everyone who bothered to read it caught that?

429 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:06:45am

In a way, this reminds me, writ large, of the recent story of a gang in Coney Island that attacked a girl. Two former Marines, Iraq veterans - Valentyn Olenyev and Boris Bukler - were not looking to fight, but they yelled at the attackers. They stepped up, and the thing turned into a fight. Valentyn's brother Ivan was called for help. Ivan got his face and head whapped by a metal baseball bat. They ID'd the guy with the bat, and he is being sought.

The girl got away.

OK - I see the gang as the Russians. I see the Marines (who ironically are Russian immigrants) as the US of A. I see the helpless girl as Europe.

430 Ceemack  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:06:55am

re: #255 Honorary Yooper

1938, not 1941. Georgia is playing the role of Czechoslovakia this time around, and South Ossetia is the Russian Sudetenland.


Correct. The questions is, did we learn anything from what 1938 meant to 1939?

431 godfrey  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:06:56am
perhaps a change in attitude towards Germany at least might be in order

Excellent point.

Even Churchill said that "there could be no revival of Europe without a spiritually great France and a spiritually great Germany."

That is a tall order, but one that has to be filled, or we'll have a chaos that benefits no one but the evil.

432 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:07:06am

re: #378 Pvt Bin Jammin

Regarding Milan? I really don't know other than the fact that I grew up within two miles of a similar, larger plant. We were always under the impression that we were a target but now I would think that other targets such as transportation hubs, etc., might be higher priority. Who knows.

I suppose it would be a secondary target at most.

433 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:07:08am

re: #342 Dustoff-507

I feel for ya brother.

Did I tall you some 6'4 puke took a swing at me in the Mukilteo postoffice.


do tell.. was he 6'4" beanpole or built like a Linebacker?
did you knock him out?

434 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:07:14am

re: #391 Pyrocles

NPR went out of their way this morning to interview a Media Matters spokesman, who described a huge Conservative conspiracy to get right-wing books onto the market. He said that corporations buy tons of copies of Conservative books to inflate sales and artificially get their books onto the best-seller lists. Also said that the president of Simon & Schuster is a GOP operative.

"And the corporations are there in their corporation buildings, and they're all corporation-y, and they make money. Ummhmm."

/Tim Robbins

435 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:07:32am

re: #397 pat

The Jupiter was a liquid fuel crazy ass dangerous missile that we were going to shit can anyway.

True but we should have upgraded them. The GLCM was a good weapon. Wish there were 50 of them in Turkey right now.

436 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:07:45am

There was a question on Foxnews this morning, I think it was in the Rice press conference, about the US moving a Patriot battery to Warsaw. Maybe they meant the ABM interceptor missiles, but that's not what was asked. Anyone else hear this?

437 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:00am

re: #383 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I think they were given more time than they should have been given. I'm pissed Fox gave them the forum at all.

Being fair and balanced is never easy.

438 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:05am

re: #426 galloping granny

He can get unveiled in somebody else's country on somebody elses dime at somebody else's time. You might want to run a quick count of your marbles.

Amen.

439 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:06am
He added, in clear reference to the agreement, that Russia’s military doctrine sanctions the use of nuclear weapons “against the allies of countries having nuclear weapons if they in some way help them.”

Well bleepity bleep bleep.

It's pretty clear whom you're talking about there, 'Toly.

This is where our pokiness in Georgia really hurts us. I'm sure Poland is watching to see how we treat -- that is, protect -- our allies. If Poland stands by us on this thing, despite the threat of nuclear annihilation, then we'd better by gum stand by them as well.

440 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:11am

re: #411 realwest

Boy do I know how you feel. The thing is I just can't believe Bush is doing NOTHING - I just think he's keeping quiet about it.

He is. Poland. The end of the Turkish-Iranian oil agreement. The pointed "G7" instead of "G8" in his speech this morning. The comment from Rice about fast-tracking Ukraine and Georgia's NATO membership.

441 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:32am

And thanks to the AP for another timely story.

442 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:55am

re: #426 galloping granny

He can get unveiled in somebody else's country on somebody elses dime at somebody else's time. You might want to run a quick count of your marbles.

Well said!

443 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:08:56am
444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:09:17am

Russian soldiers in bank job

RUSSIAN soldiers have been caught on camera ROBBING a bank in war-torn Georgia.

The band of gun-toting men were caught on CCTV forcing their way into the bank in Gori.

Once inside, the men are seen breaking into the teller offices and rifling through the desks.

445 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:09:28am

re: #243 tfc3rid Sorry my friend but I disagree - we blockaded Cuba in 61 or '62 when our Navy and Air Force were no where near as dominant as they are today.
We ain't gonna let it happen and indeed, if I were Chavez, I'd be worried sick over the US preemptively starting up a guerrilla war against him. Wouldn't take all that much, ya know?

446 Golem Akbar  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:09:41am

re: #426 galloping granny

He can get unveiled in somebody else's country on somebody elses dime at somebody else's time. You might want to run a quick count of your marbles.

One month of an Obama presidency could be the worst period in American (and western civ) history, ever. Not a good idea.

447 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:09:53am

re: #372 RTLM

If Corsi were presenting a "truther" theory, I'd reject it out of hand. The question about Corsi is: are the important points about Obama in his book correct? I'm told there are minor errors, but what about the big stuff? Despite Obama's squeals, nothing of substance in the book has been proven wrong yet.

448 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:09:58am

re: #425 Josephine


LOL.... I have insurance. So no problem there. Not to worry, in a few weeks after I get done traveling around the country, I'm getting a huge truck to haul much of it away. (-:

449 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:11am

re: #382 galloping granny

And do remember that their non-military military has indeed participated in Iraq - both on the ground and providing refueling facilities for the navy.

Here's something interesting.

[Link: www.freewebs.com...]

450 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:12am

re: #412 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Bob Weir, Mickey Hart and Richard Nixon! It's more proof that the 5/8/77 Cornell "concert hoax" was a CIA mind-control experiment.

/Barry Birkenstock

Deep shit, dood. Now, what'd you do with the Ding Dongs?

451 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:13am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Russian soldiers in bank job

Oh yeah, they're peacekeepers.

(rolls eyes)

452 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:25am

re: #440 galloping granny

He is. Poland. The end of the Turkish-Iranian oil agreement. The pointed "G7" instead of "G8" in his speech this morning. The comment from Rice about fast-tracking Ukraine and Georgia's NATO membership.

Onward to "Cuber"! Viva El Golpe!

453 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:25am

re: #84 Opinionated

Russia is openly threatening a nuclear attack in Europe.

If McCain doesn't start showing a substantial lead in the polls in the coming days, something is seriously wrong with the American people.

The polls are done by the lying liars of the press. They were hugely off at the last election. We need to stop deciding things by them... our govt uses them and looks ridiculous trying to please the press pollsters... they look completely tone deaf and it is because the polls are trash.

454 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:32am

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always have the Simpson's song handy for those conversations - "who rigs every Oscars' night, we do ...."

455 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:50am

re: #413 galloping granny

I'm not worrying about this too much realwest. I'm sure that even the most unobservant of the American voting public are really starting to take notice now that we hear from John McCain on this issue every day and he is right on the money every day - and yet we hear nothing from HRH Obama because he is busy "body surfing" in Hawai'i. Its pretty darned apparent just who is taking care of business.

Having the press point it out any more than they do would just give Obama a cluebat.

From your lips to the voters' ears.

456 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:10:57am

Classic moonbat comment to Chidude's article on Georgia at DBKP.

Wow, what a truly biased article. Smacks of American favourtism and ignores the history and reality of the situation. I considered copying the article and simply changing Russia to USA and Georgia to Iraq. Russia seeks dominance in its own geopolitical region? Wow, what an evil concept. And the Americans have no desire for influence beyond their own borders? Or even their own continent?

The USSR tried putting their influence into Cuba with the whole missile crises thing. The Americans responded with a war. How different is this situation? With the Americans pumping arms and wealth into Georgia? Can you say close-range-missile platform-into-Russia?

Do some more research before you splutter these terribly inaccurate views.

[Link: deathby1000papercuts.com...]

Is that the view of the left, as Charles and others are beginning to discern? How telling.

457 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:11:04am
458 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:11:24am

re: #415 Truck Monkey

UFC F*ck Yeah. I think that Saakashvili could kick the Putsters ass. He has that square boxer head.

It would be entertaining.

459 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:11:42am

re: #447 quickjustice

We can do this without Corsi. Personally I have no use for anyone that has the slightest association with Alex Jones, whom I consider to be a dangerous crackpot (as opposed to just a crackpot, of the benign variety).

460 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:11:50am

re: #424 Sunlight

Also, didn't Israel do a technology demo recently that thoroughly snookered Russian air defense technology? How pissed was Russia about that? Mad enough to run a diversion (like this) for Iran's benefit? Heads up, Israel!

The Syrians (and their North Korean "advisors") had so much of all the latest Russian high-tech gizmos and widgets that they didn't even bother to hide their nuclear weapons facility underground.

Oops.

461 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:11:53am

re: #450 MandyManners

Deep shit, dood. Now, what'd you do with the Ding Dongs?

East Çoast Heads don't eat Ding Dongs.

/they're sold as Ring Dings

462 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:12:04am

re: #432 MandyManners

I sent you a link about my home town.

463 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:12:12am

re: #424 Sunlight

Also, didn't Israel do a technology demo recently that thoroughly snookered Russian air defense technology? How pissed was Russia about that? Mad enough to run a diversion (like this) for Iran's benefit? Heads up, Israel!

Over Syria, right?

464 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:12:16am

re: #3 FurryOldGuyJeans

Sounds like Putin is suicidal and wants to take the rest of the world with him.

Putin isn't suicidal. He's as cold and calculating as they come. Yesterday I mentioned Bush's poker playing abilities. I think Putin knew he was holding a Royal Flush, in spades, and that GWB had a handfull of nothing.

465 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:12:48am

re: #427 RTLM

I'm going by what he said on Alex Jones' radio show. He sounded like Rosie O'Donnell

He's on Alex Jones?!

466 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:12:58am

re: #293 Spiny Norman

So they abide by a proprietary data agreement with John Kerry, but ignore "TOP SECRET" and direct requests from the President not to publish something. Copperheads.

467 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:13:11am

re: #435 lifeofthemind

One thing about the Jupiter, it was a heavy lifter. 10 megaton on its way. Too bad it took about 2 days to safely prep.

468 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:13:31am

re: #457 taxfreekiller

#403

So, Corsi, is unreiable uh,,,? Do you have the facts to disprove his work on Lt. Kerry, if you do, T. Boone Pickens will write you a
$1,000,000 check.

I'm just saying if I was going to ask Obama supporters to read a book, it would be Freddoso's and not Corsi's.

469 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:13:47am

re: #453 Sunlight

If the polls get worse for Obama then Denver will be fun.

470 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:13:52am

re: #455 MandyManners

From your lips to the voters' ears.

AMEN!

471 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:13:56am

re: #433 HoosierHoops


Yeah he wasn't to thick.. Blocking the doorway to the post office and this older lady tried to get pass him and couldn't. I said (excuse me sir the lady would like to get by)
He lost it and started yelling at me? Then pushed me.
(bad idea) I just tripped him on to his back and popped him once in the nose. He stopped and the police took him away.

I guess he was low on his meds.

472 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:14:03am
473 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:14:21am

re: #440 galloping granny

He is. Poland. The end of the Turkish-Iranian oil agreement. The pointed "G7" instead of "G8" in his speech this morning. The comment from Rice about fast-tracking Ukraine and Georgia's NATO membership.

More than nuanced.

474 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:14:45am

re: #436 Son of the Black Dog

There was a question on Foxnews this morning, I think it was in the Rice press conference, about the US moving a Patriot battery to Warsaw. Maybe they meant the ABM interceptor missiles, but that's not what was asked. Anyone else hear this?

Yes. I did hear it, but I'm not sure what exactly was meant by it.

475 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:03am

re: #467 pat

One thing about the Jupiter, it was a heavy lifter. 10 megaton on its way. Too bad it took about 2 days to safely prep.

Well, we are talking about the early 1960s. The Nike Ajax ABM we were using in the late '50s/early '60s was liquid fueled, and dangerous.

476 kuffar  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:21am

100 dollars that probable President Obama would throw Georgia under the Putin Bus.

I also bet 100 dollars that a Moonbat in his campaign is calling Russians asking them to step down and withdrawal as it is killing his campaign with a deal to let Putin have Georgia once the One has been elected.

477 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:30am

I don't understand this.

The "We are all Georgians" statement has been removed from McCain's Web site.

478 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:44am

re: #304 Josephine

Since you were six?

Reine, somebody's gotta have a talk with your mama...

; )

LOL!

Well, they should have done it years ago, then! Yep, we all started drinking coffee early. And my grandmother would let us have a sip of her beer or bourbon hiball, whatever she happened to be drinking. And when I had a cold, I got a smidgeon of whiskey mixed with honey. I guess nowadays that would be cause for a child endangerment charge.

479 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:45am

re: #415 Truck Monkey

Putin has hand-to-hand training in a special type of KGB/Soviet dirty fighting. He'd be a dangerous adversary hand-to-hand.

480 Darwin Akbar  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:46am

No doubt, this calls for some of that famous Obama Tough Diplomacy with Preparations but without Preconditions. That'll show Putin that that he can't mess with O-Force One!

481 The Other Les  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:51am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Russian soldiers in bank job

Gosh. What a surprise.

482 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:15:55am

re: #342 Dustoff-507

I feel for ya brother.

Did I tall you some 6'4 puke took a swing at me in the Mukilteo postoffice.

The Post Office does that to people.

He survive? If so you're slipping.
/;-)

483 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:00am

re: #410 Colonel Panik

Screw Loose Change on Jerome Corsi - includes a clip of Corsi on Alex Jones's whacked out radio program citing troofer professor Steven Jones.

Oh, and according to SLC, Corsi has had one and will make a return appearance on The Political Cesspool which hosts such (vile) guests as David Duke and Mark Weber.

Given his repeated appearances there, his 9/11 positions, and more importantly, his positions regarding the NAU and the Amero, Corsi clearly has some credibility problems. But if what he claims about the Obamamessiah (PBUH) is not true, then why aren't those accusations clearly debunked as opposed to discrediting the author?

484 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:02am

re: #447 quickjustice

Corsi co-authored the book, "Unfit for Command: Swift Boat Veterans Speak Out Against John Kerry", it was a factor in Kerry's defeat. Because it was true. The Obama book is also likely (largely) true also. But his credibility is very suspect to me when he goes on shows like Alex Jones and George Noory and carries on about 9/11 conspiracy theories.

That said, I'm very satisfied that the book is #1 on the NYT list.

485 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:10am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Russian soldiers in bank job

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I read the Russian commaders view their sectors as a business opportunity....looting, kidnapping, pillaging, drug dealing, robbing banks, extortion.....etc etc etc.

486 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:18am

re: #461 Who Watches the Watchmen?

East Çoast Heads don't eat Ding Dongs.

/they're sold as Ring Dings

Who took the Cheetos?

487 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:18am

re: #455 MandyManners

I would love a little film or a few pictures of Obama on the beach or golfing during this crisis.

and some videotape of him calling that reporter "Sweetie" would be nice too.

488 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:25am

re: #472 buzzsawmonkey

Exactly.

489 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:31am

re: #462 Pvt Bin Jammin

I sent you a link about my home town.

Thanks!

490 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:35am

re: #424 Sunlight

Also, didn't Israel do a technology demo recently that thoroughly snookered Russian air defense technology? How pissed was Russia about that? Mad enough to run a diversion (like this) for Iran's benefit? Heads up, Israel!

When they took out the Syrian building - reactor? bomb plant? We don't know, and after one visit, the Syrians won't allow the IAEA back. It was protected by a Russian anti-aircraft system that turned out to be totally useless.

491 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:16:56am

re: #462 Pvt Bin Jammin

I grew up kinda' near the arsenal, and have scads of family still there.

492 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:08am

re: #477 Tigger2005

I don't understand this.

The "We are all Georgians" statement has been removed from McCain's Web site.

Ah, no, I was wrong. If you click on "In the News" it's still there.

But he really needs to issue another statement today.

493 Land Shark  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:11am

This is scary at so many levels. Russia is effectively threatening to nuke a country without any reason whatsoever other than the fact said country is daring to protect itself. It's not like Poland is acquiring nuclear weapons to threaten Russia, merely a defensive system that poses no threat to them. Somebody please correct me if I'm wrong, but I do not recall the former Soviet Union openly threatening a country in that fashion.

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Get ready for nukes to appear in Cuba again. Possibly in Venezuela too.

I wouldn't be surprised. The Russian bear is feeling mighty cocky today. They know that if Dumbama gets elected the US military will be dramatically reduced and the US will just submit to whatever they want. If there was ever a reason for conservatives to cut the crap, get off their ass and vote for McCain regardless of their reservations (which I share, BTW), this is it. The United States and the free world simply can not afford a Dumbama presidency, no way, no how.

And of course: DRILL! DRILL! DRILL!

494 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:22am
495 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:25am

re: #467 pat

One thing about the Jupiter, it was a heavy lifter. 10 megaton on its way. Too bad it took about 2 days to safely prep.

LOL Maybe it was more Ivan's kind of gizmo. We should have offered them a trade.

496 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:40am

re: #447 quickjustice

If Corsi were presenting a "truther" theory, I'd reject it out of hand. The question about Corsi is: are the important points about Obama in his book correct? I'm told there are minor errors, but what about the big stuff? Despite Obama's squeals, nothing of substance in the book has been proven wrong yet.

Much of what is in the book is based on Obama's own books, statements and public speech. He can hardly refute it. The very first refutations has to do with a statement that he is a muslim . . . . . and follows black liberation theology. The "refutation" is that he is Christian and belongs to Trinity United Church of Christ.

I suppose that is OK if you know nothing of Trinity and "god damn America" and their own black liberation theology based statements.

497 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:42am

re: #471 Dustoff-507
I like your attitude..dude we have to play ball sometime :)

498 RTLM  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:42am

re: #465 MandyManners

Yep - one minute in on the youtube link.

499 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:43am

re: #479 quickjustice


Brass knuckles? 0-:

500 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:52am

re: #477 Tigger2005

I don't understand this.

The "We are all Georgians" statement has been removed from McCain's Web site.

People in Alabama got pissed off?

501 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:52am

re: #464 Son of the Black Dog

Putin isn't suicidal. He's as cold and calculating as they come. Yesterday I mentioned Bush's poker playing abilities. I think Putin knew he was holding a Royal Flush, in spades, and that GWB had a handfull of nothing.


Aw C'mon, Bush as a pair of 4's in that deck....well, maybe.

502 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:17:54am

re: #477 Tigger2005

I don't understand this.

The "We are all Georgians" statement has been removed from McCain's Web site.

What?

503 Tigger2005  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:18:04am

re: #479 quickjustice

Putin has hand-to-hand training in a special type of KGB/Soviet dirty fighting. He'd be a dangerous adversary hand-to-hand.

A Mossad agent would probably clean his clock though.

504 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:18:05am

re: #256 opnion

...FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11... Kos posted his address & is encouraging his minions to leave their mothers basement & go harass the Corsi family.

It is wrong to publish his address and suggest that people harass him.

I just read this, though, which discredits the author in my eyes:

"Corsi writes for World Net Daily..."

Also, suggesting without proof that Obama might be using drugs now, just because he has admitted to using them in the past (as Corsi supposedly does in his book), is a smear tactic.

505 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:18:20am

re: #480 Darwin Akbar

No doubt, this calls for some of that famous Obama Tough Diplomacy with Preparations but without Preconditions. That'll show Putin that that he can't mess with O-Force One!

LOL

506 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:18:36am

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Well, we are talking about the early 1960s. The Nike Ajax ABM we were using in the late '50s/early '60s was liquid fueled, and dangerous.

Nike Zeus was the ABM from hell, lol.
/what were we thinking of? no wonder we were always under the tables at school. lol

507 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:18:58am

re: #475 Ward Cleaver

Well, we are talking about the early 1960s. The Nike Ajax ABM we were using in the late '50s/early '60s was liquid fueled, and dangerous.

Didn't Marty McFly wear a pair of those?...

508 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:03am

re: #497 HoosierHoops

HAHAHAA... it wasn't a big deal. But very odd for my small town.

509 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:17am

re: #448 Dustoff-507

Good for you!

510 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:25am

I would not tangle with him.tough guy

511 swabbie41  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:29am

This just underscores why Poland needs the missile shield. Basically, Russia is saying, "Don't get a missile shield, or we'll shoot missiles at you!". Kind of like the radical muslims saying "Don't say we're violent - or we'll kill you!".

512 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:36am

re: #487 de La Valette

I would love a little film or a few pictures of Obama on the beach or golfing during this crisis.

and some videotape of him calling that reporter "Sweetie" would be nice too.

There are photographs of him body-surfing this week on. I think Ben Hur posted the link on the Dead Thread. Maybe it was on the first thread this morning.

513 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:37am

re: #478 reine.de.tout

LOL!

Well, they should have done it years ago, then! Yep, we all started drinking coffee early. And my grandmother would let us have a sip of her beer or bourbon hiball, whatever she happened to be drinking. And when I had a cold, I got a smidgeon of whiskey mixed with honey. I guess nowadays that would be cause for a child endangerment charge.

only if it's not Crown Royal.. otherwise..off with ya! :)

514 realwest  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:51am

Well all y'all it's been enlightening today, to say the least.
Everyone seems to forget that the US is THE dominant Superpower, both Nuclear and Conventional forces, with 10 Aircraft Carrier Battle Groups, any one of whom could light up Russia like a Chrismas tree and a combat tested and ready Army, Marine Corps and Air Force. Indeed, WE are the only true Superpower.
And still folks thing Russia's winning this new cold war.
Just frickin' amazing.
Anyway, I'm gonna go mush some lunch now and I hope you all have a great day and that I get the chance to see you down the road.

515 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:19:57am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

War crimes? The Russian military? Who woulda thunk it?

I can hardly wait for the Left to demand international prosecution of these war criminals!

/sarc

516 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:20:03am

re: #466 de La Valette

So they abide by a proprietary data agreement with John Kerry, but ignore "TOP SECRET" and direct requests from the President not to publish something. Copperheads.

Bingo!

517 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:20:17am

Gonna' look for the BHO body-surfing photos. BRB.

518 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:20:20am

The first piece I read this morning was an AP piece that read like a press release from the Obama camp on the Corsi book.

One minute, they are working with terrorists because they must be "impartial" and the next, they are openly hostile to one side of an American presidential race.

The sentence I read said (paraphrasing) "Corsi's book claims Obama was raised a Muslim and attends a radical black church when in reality Obama is Christian and attends TUCC."

So much for impartiality, which would mean printing "Corsi says this and Obama's camp says that." Note that their "when in reality" refutation does not in fact refute anything. Yes, Obama calls himself Christian as an adult but one does not negate the charge "he was raised Muslim" with "But he is Christian as an adult so that's a lie."

Also, somehow the AP writer thinks that "Obama attends TUCC" is a slam-dunk refutation of the charge that Obama attends a radical black church. All of the slimy, racist, hate-filled, rantings of Rev Wright must have slipped the writer's memory, including the fact that Obama threw them under the bus. The Obama story now is that he was unaware of the nastiness of his church and has since left it, but the AP guy must have missed a memo from the Obama camp.

519 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:20:24am

re: #461 Who Watches the Watchmen?

East Çoast Heads don't eat Ding Dongs.

/they're sold as Ring Dings

I'm sure they are lovely, but I'm gonna stick with Tastykake and/or Entenmann's.

Entenmann's is now a Grupo Bimbo company. I add that simply because the name cracks me up. I'd walk a mile for a Bimbo.

520 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:20:55am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Just like Coalition forces in Iraq.

/

521 lifeofthemind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:21:03am

re: #512 MandyManners

There are photographs of him body-surfing this week on. I think Ben Hur posted the link on the Dead Thread. Maybe it was on the first thread this morning.

Hope that works for him as well as wind surfing did for Kerry

522 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:21:27am

re: #491 MandyManners

I've still got friends where I'm from. We used to call it the "Ammo Dump". LOL Arsenal sounds so much nicer.

BTW the article is a little outdated. We survived the BRAC cut.

523 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:21:31am

Obama's body-surfing photo-op during the Georgia invasion will be his Kerry Bunny Suit/Dukakis Helmet moment.

524 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:21:37am

re: #453 Sunlight

The polls are done by the lying liars of the press. They were hugely off at the last election. We need to stop deciding things by them... our govt uses them and looks ridiculous trying to please the press pollsters... they look completely tone deaf and it is because the polls are trash.

Yup - lies, damned lies and statistics. A couple of the major polls have been in the tank for Obama in a big way and have been doing their darndest to stack the results. They just can't massage the data anymore.

525 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:21:50am

re: #504 Josephine

It is wrong to publish his address and suggest that people harass him.

I just read this, though, which discredits the author in my eyes:

"Corsi writes for World Net Daily..."

Also, suggesting without proof that Obama might be using drugs now, just because he has admitted to using them in the past (as Corsi supposedly does in his book), is a smear tactic.

Just what we need, something that could backfire and generate sympathy for Obama.

526 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:21:57am

re: #512 MandyManners

There are photographs of him body-surfing this week on. I think Ben Hur posted the link on the Dead Thread. Maybe it was on the first thread this morning.

Video on Michelle Malkin's site.

527 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:22:17am

re: #490 Kosh's Shadow

When they took out the Syrian building - reactor? bomb plant? We don't know, and after one visit, the Syrians won't allow the IAEA back. It was protected by a Russian anti-aircraft system that turned out to be totally useless.

It was an embarrassment to Russia.

528 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:22:41am

Entenmann's make some of the best stuff in the world, I wish their boxes were not such a pain in the ass to open.

529 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:22:42am

re: #519 Catttt

I'm sure they are lovely, but I'm gonna stick with Tastykake and/or Entenmann's.

Let's all take a Tasty break
And have a lot of fun
Tastykake is all good things
All good things wrapped up in one
*giggle*

530 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:22:49am

re: #490 Kosh's Shadow

When they took out the Syrian building - reactor? bomb plant? We don't know, and after one visit, the Syrians won't allow the IAEA back. It was protected by a Russian anti-aircraft system that turned out to be totally useless.

Reports were it was actively spoofed. Normally jamming, the radar operators know jamming is happening and alerts can go out. In this case the jamming was such that the jamming it self was not seen, but it also blanked out the incoming raid. The Syrians didn't know squat till shit started blowing up.

Iran just bought the same systems from the Russians. Message to Iran, your pants are down and you can't do anything about it.

531 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:24:24am

re: #523 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Obama's body-surfing photo-op during the Georgia invasion will be his Kerry Bunny Suit/Dukakis Helmet moment.

I dearly hope so. Let's hope that body isn't covered with Teflon.

532 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:24:36am

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Ben Hur supplied the link of BHO surfing while Georgians are raped, pillaged and murdered.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

533 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:24:40am
534 Hard Right  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:06am

re: #451 Ward Cleaver

Oh yeah, they're peacekeepers.

(rolls eyes)

The cash had invaded the bank and they were just protecting the Russian employess at the bank.
/

535 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:07am

re: #524 galloping granny

An excellent post on 'Big Lizards' blog that catches SeeBS doctoring a poll for the Obamamessiah [PBUH].

There are reasons why many of the internals of these polls are not being published......

536 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:32am

re: #528 Tarkus289

Entenmann's make some of the best stuff in the world, I wish their boxes were not such a pain in the ass to open.

Oh, I'm with you there. And closing them after they're open is also a treat.

537 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:43am

re: #431 godfrey

Spiritually is right, Europe must get back to its moral roots in a manly way.

538 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:46am

On THURSDAY, AUGUST 14, 2008, BHO WAS KICKING IT.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

539 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:51am

re: #483 Athos

One of Corsi's claims is that Zbigniew Brzezinski’s recruited Obama 25 years ago when Barry was a student. The idea is that Brzezinski is a wild-eyed Russia hater and that he groomed Obama to be president and so he will declare war on Russia.

I'll wait till you get up off the floor from laughing over that one...

Yeah, I think we can dismiss Corsi's book as idiocy.

540 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:25:55am

re: #530 jcm

Reports were it was actively spoofed. Normally jamming, the radar operators know jamming is happening and alerts can go out. In this case the jamming was such that the jamming it self was not seen, but it also blanked out the incoming raid. The Syrians didn't know squat till shit started blowing up.

Iran just bought the same systems from the Russians. Message to Iran, your pants are down and you can't do anything about it.

And the Israelis told Russia recently that if Iran gets the system, they'll let others know how to spoof the radar, making it useless in terms of weapons sales.

541 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:26:10am

Look at his tan lines.

542 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:26:19am

re: #492 Tigger2005

Ah, no, I was wrong. If you click on "In the News" it's still there.

But he really needs to issue another statement today.

Patience. It would have been wrong of him to distract from Bush's and Rice's official statements yesterday and today. Leave him wide open to Wanna-be Potus allegations. He has sent Liebermann and another congressperson to Georgia. I'm sure we'll be hearing something from him soon, probably in conjunction with a report from Liebermann.

543 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:26:35am

re: #447 quickjustice

Nothing major - or much minor! - from Unfit for Command was proven wrong, either. That hasn't stopped the MSM from dismissing it and saying it was "debunked."

544 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:26:38am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Russian soldiers in bank job

Well, that testifies to their level of training and discipline. Also, the Russians brought with them a lot of Ossetian and Chechen para-military types to do the really dirty work.

545 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:26:48am
546 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:27:30am

Comments from Huffpost.

Gorgeous guy and brilliant too. You go, Future Mr. President.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:35 AM on 08/15/2008
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Bodysurfing? He has my vote!

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/15/2008
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He is so eatable.......uhuhuh. God please forgive me for attempting to sin. It's Obama's fault, he look so good. Go Obama. We are missing your presence. We love you. and hillbilly and Mcsame are JEALOUS.....OUR PRESIDENT IS INTERLLIGENT, THOUGHTFULL AND HANDSOME. YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPYYYYYYYYYY YYYYYYYYYYY.

Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:30 AM on 08/15/2008
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OMG! He is some kind of gorgeous and he's got BRAINS too! I can't wait to vote for Obama! I want HIM to be MY president! Yeah, baby! BTW - It's hysterical that Grampa has always got to have his 54 year Cindy glued to his side to make him seem younger! LOL! Hilarious....notice how she's in every single frame of video he's in? Imagine being so old, you gotta have a 54 year old chick by your side to make you look younger! He's pathetic.

547 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:27:38am

re: #535 Athos

An excellent post on 'Big Lizards' blog that catches SeeBS doctoring a poll for the Obamamessiah [PBUH].

There are reasons why many of the internals of these polls are not being published......

Speaking of doctoring, the MSM are running with a story that troops are giving more to Obama than McCain. I am suspicious, because some say "six to one" while others have the money figures, with an edge of about three to two for Barry. Who is running that calculator, anyway?

548 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:27:45am

re: #526 Ford_Prefect

Having grown up in So Cal spending entire summers at the beach body surfing I feel confident in my assessment that Obama can't body surf worth a s**t.

549 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:27:50am

re: #543 Dianna

Nothing major - or much minor! - from Unfit for Command was proven wrong, either. That hasn't stopped the MSM from dismissing it and saying it was "debunked."

That's not good enough. If you're going to do that sort of work, you've got to come correct. It's got to be tight. Not mostly right.

Corsi is a crank.

550 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:28:02am

re: #546 MandyManners

I think I'm going to be ill...

551 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:28:18am

re: #530 jcm

Reports were it was actively spoofed. Normally jamming, the radar operators know jamming is happening and alerts can go out. In this case the jamming was such that the jamming it self was not seen, but it also blanked out the incoming raid. The Syrians didn't know squat till shit started blowing up.

Iran just bought the same systems from the Russians. Message to Iran, your pants are down and you can't do anything about it.

Except maybe get Daddy Russia to run a diversion while you finish up.

552 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:28:36am

re: #530 jcm


Remember Saddam had them too. (we lost how many jets) 0

553 rawmuse  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:28:39am
554 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:28:40am

re: #429 Catttt

It's not "ironic" that Russian immigrants would serve in the U.S. military. Coney Island (and other Brooklyn neighborhoods) are full of Russian immigrants who worship Ronald Reagan for his overthrow of Soviet communism, and are devout Republicans for that reason.

555 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:28:46am

re: #547 Catttt

Speaking of doctoring, the MSM are running with a story that troops are giving more to Obama than McCain. I am suspicious, because some say "six to one" while others have the money figures, with an edge of about three to two for Barry. Who is running that calculator, anyway?

Should be easy enough to figure out. Got a link to the 'six-to-one' story?

556 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:29:12am
557 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:29:29am

re: #548 bulwrk

Having grown up in So Cal spending entire summers at the beach body surfing I feel confident in my assessment that Obama can't body surf worth a s**t.

Yeah. Watching Mrs. Malkin's video, Barry reminded me of me bodysurfing. That's not a good thing, in this case.

558 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:29:42am

re: #478 reine.de.tout

Yes, how times have changed!

I remember the parks in my home town.

Those old teeter-totters that banged you into the ground if the other kid pushed off too hard.

Those round things a bunch of kids could sit on that someone would have to spin and you'd all have to hold on for dear life or get thrown off.

The creek without a fence to stop us from falling in.

A swimming pool without a lifeguard.

One time a mean boy stuck bullrushes down the back of my bathing suit bottom and no one sued him for sexual harassment!

Such dangerous living and I didn't even drink coffee until I was an adult! (We drank tea instead, LOL.)

559 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:30:00am
560 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:30:26am

re: #559 taxfreekiller

Corsi has best sellers.

Cognito is the crank on lgf's.

So you think Corsi's an a-okay feller, eh?

561 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:30:51am

re: #546 MandyManners

Who makes these pathetic comments?

562 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:31:20am

re: #546 MandyManners

Comments from Huffpost.

Gorgeous guy and brilliant too. You go, Future Mr. President.
Reply Favorite Flag as abusive Posted 11:32 AM on 08/15/2008
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He is so eatable.......uhuhuh. God please forgive me for attempting to sin. It's Obama's fault, he look so good. Go Obama. We are missing your presence. We love you. and hillbilly and Mcsame are JEALOUS.....OUR PRESIDENT IS INTERLLIGENT, THOUGHTFULL AND HANDSOME. YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP

It takes one "interlligent" person to know one, alright.

563 maddogg  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:31:38am

From all the stories I'm seeing on the news and web about all the crimes being committed by so called Russian soldiers, it sounds more like Georgia is being invaded by the Hells Angles or the Crips more than it sounds like a military operation.

American troops, unmatched, unequalled, unbeatable.

564 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:31:39am

re: #540 Kosh's Shadow

And the Israelis told Russia recently that if Iran gets the system, they'll let others know how to spoof the radar, making it useless in terms of weapons sales.

Putin: Pissed off K--G--B with an abusive drunk country backing him up.

565 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:31:59am

re: #513 HoosierHoops

only if it's not Crown Royal.. otherwise..off with ya! :)

Mmmm, Crown Royal is nice.

566 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:32:05am

re: #550 scottishbuzzsaw

I think I'm going to be ill...

My brain froze up reading it.

567 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:32:16am

re: #562 Kosh's Shadow

It takes one "interlligent" person to know one, alright.

I always wondered what happened to Archie Bunker's foster daughter.

568 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:32:21am
569 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:32:26am

re: #548 bulwrk

Put him on a long board. LOL

570 kansas  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:32:34am

re: #256 opnion

This is slightly off topic , but at least ties in to Barry.
FNC had Jerome Corsi on this morning promoting his book 'Obama Nation". Corsi has isuues, not the least of which, he is a troother on 9/11.
To me though the isuue is free speech. No surprise, he is getting death threats. So many Obama supporters are angry, addled, applicants for victimhood. Here is the kicker though, Kos posted his address & is encouraging his minions to leave their mothers basement & go harass the Corsi family.
The Obama campaign has launched into ad hominem attacks rather than refute his assertions. Their most serious attack on the facts is that he got the date of the Obama wedding wrong!


em>re: #440 Charles

Jerome Corsi is a kook. He's a 9/11 Troofer.

571 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:01am

re: #530 jcm

Reports were it was actively spoofed. Normally jamming, the radar operators know jamming is happening and alerts can go out. In this case the jamming was such that the jamming it self was not seen, but it also blanked out the incoming raid. The Syrians didn't know squat till shit started blowing up.

Iran just bought the same systems from the Russians. Message to Iran, your pants are down and you can't do anything about it.

Human error could have played a part....the radar operators could have been lazy, ill trained and maybe even asleep when the attack took place.

572 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:03am

re: #518 Silhouette

That stood out for me, too.

573 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:13am

re: #553 rawmuse

Obama has a book of his own, coming out early

the Power of a Transformative Presidency

Oh, wow. He's OD'ed on narcissism.

574 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:24am

re: #554 quickjustice

It's not "ironic" that Russian immigrants would serve in the U.S. military. Coney Island (and other Brooklyn neighborhoods) are full of Russian immigrants who worship Ronald Reagan for his overthrow of Soviet communism, and are devout Republicans for that reason.

Oh, I know that. There are tons of Russian immigrants where I live, so I have a lot of Russian friends and acquaintances. They are great people. You misunderstand my use of the word. It is ironic simply because the Russians are the gang in my metaphor. It doesn't surprise me at all that they are Marines or that they are good guys.

575 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:39am

re: #563 maddogg

At the end of WW2 the defeated German soldiers on the eastern front stripped off their uniforms and basically ran west in their underwear to surrender to the Americans and the Brits rather than to Ivan.

576 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:43am

re: #561 Ojoe

Who makes these pathetic comments?

Huffposters.

577 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:47am

re: #552 Dustoff-507

Remember Saddam had them too. (we lost how many jets) 0

The EA-6B's were how old? The EA-18F is now in service, teamed with an EC-135 and it's a turkey shoot.

578 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:33:50am

re: #504 Josephine

It is wrong to publish his address and suggest that people harass him.

I just read this, though, which discredits the author in my eyes:

"Corsi writes for World Net Daily..."

Also, suggesting without proof that Obama might be using drugs now, just because he has admitted to using them in the past (as Corsi supposedly does in his book), is a smear tactic.

Josephine, Obama does not just admit to using drugs, he admits to using cocaine. He wrote that - nobody did it for him. Cocaine is one of the most addictive substances known to man and true, permanent recovery from cocaine addiction is rare. That is why the US military does not allow any military personnel with any history ever of cocaine use - even once - to ever have anything to do with our nuclear arsenal.

Further, most people who beat this kind of addiction beat other addictions at the same time. Like smoking - Obama still smokes.

It is not unreasonable to apply the generalization "once a junkie, always a junkie" just like we would with any other person.

579 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:03am

re: #539 Kenneth

I'd never heard of Corsi prior to reading Unfit for Command; I've been rather taken aback by some things I've run across him saying since (tfk landed on me for saying I thought he rather hared off after conspiracy theory); I will have to read the new book, and check it's references before I pass judgment.

580 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:07am

re: #538 MandyManners

Gosh, what a hottie, he looks so, like, "Presidential".

581 CIA Reject  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:08am

re: #573 MandyManners

the Power of a Transformative Presidency

Oh, wow. He's OD'ed on narcissism.

Coming soon to a landfill near you!

582 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:19am

re: #539 Kenneth

On the contrary, IIRC, Brzezinski was Jimmy Carter's "National Security" adviser. His idea of being "tough" on the Soviets was to boycott the Moscow Olympics as the the Red Army rampaged through Afghanistan. If that's what he taught Obama, I'd say the Russians have very little to worry about.

583 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:28am

re: #543 Dianna

Nothing major - or much minor! - from Unfit for Command was proven wrong, either. That hasn't stopped the MSM from dismissing it and saying it was "debunked."

And Kerry was smart enough not to try to debunk it himself.

584 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:38am

re: #562 Kosh's Shadow

It takes one "interlligent" person to know one, alright.

He is so eatable

?

585 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:34:54am

re: #566 MandyManners

My brain froze up reading it.

Hang on while I go find an icepick. ;-)

586 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:11am

re: #571 Maximu§

Human error could have played a part....the radar operators could have been lazy, ill trained and maybe even asleep when the attack took place.

Doubt any of them survived the Syrian investigation......

587 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:14am

re: #547 Catttt

Speaking of doctoring, the MSM are running with a story that troops are giving more to Obama than McCain. I am suspicious, because some say "six to one" while others have the money figures, with an edge of about three to two for Barry. Who is running that calculator, anyway?

It was 134 total donations. A push story.

588 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:18am

re: #577 jcm


Your not kidding now get the f-22 & 35 out these... sweet

589 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:23am

re: #546 MandyManners

Comments from Huffpost..

ew, yech! Those comments sort of prove what I said earlier about other countries watching our elections and candidates with a more critical eye than many of our own citizens!

590 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:24am

re: #567 OldLineTexan

I always wondered what happened to Archie Bunker's foster daughter.

ROFLMAO!

591 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:42am

re: #526 Ford_Prefect
c'mon even Obama needs a break, doesnt matter if the world is in upheaval, he earned it after all these years of hard work. need i

592 scottishbuzzsaw  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:50am

re: #584 MandyManners

He is so eatable

?

That did it...

593 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:51am

re: #568 buzzsawmonkey

I'm hoping that poster was a moby. Huffpo could have mobies too.

It's the real thing.

594 Dustoff-507  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:35:56am

oops

OUT THERE!

595 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:36:01am

re: #573 MandyManners

the Power of a Transformative Presidency

Oh, wow. He's OD'ed on narcissism.

Obama’s Challenge: America’s Economic Crisis and the Power of a Transformative Presidency by Robert Kuttner

It's not his; just another guy with a man-crush.

596 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:36:03am

re: #573 MandyManners

the Power of a Transformative Presidency

Oh, wow. He's OD'ed on narcissism.

The book is about Obama, not by him. The author is Robert Kuttner.

597 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:36:24am

re: #458 MandyManners

re: #415 Truck Monkey

UFC F*ck Yeah. I think that Saakashvili could kick the Putsters ass. He has that square boxer head.

It would be entertaining.

Saaksvhili is a laywer. Putin is a KGB agent (notice I don't say "ex-") with a black belt in judo. I don't think the cage match idea would work out so well...

598 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:36:27am

re: #573 MandyManners

the Power of a Transformative Presidency

Oh, wow. He's OD'ed on narcissism.

That does it for me. He's still using.

/looking around

599 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:36:45am

re: #591 willowone

c'mon even Obama needs a break, doesnt matter if the world is in upheaval, he earned it after all these years of hard work. need i

ugh i lost the sark tag

600 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:36:56am

Savage-nation got banned from Babba's place this morning. Said something bad about Charles. BAM.

601 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:10am

re: #549 Cognito

That's not good enough. If you're going to do that sort of work, you've got to come correct. It's got to be tight. Not mostly right.

Corsi is a crank.

Crank or not, he got Obama to engage. And that is bad for Obama. Corsi's book sales will go straight through the roof.

602 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:11am

re: #596 Kenneth

The book is about Obama, not by him. The author is Robert Kuttner.

Here's hoping it sells as well as Pelosi's book.

603 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:11am
604 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:14am

re: #558 Josephine

Such dangerous living and I didn't even drink coffee until I was an adult! (We drank tea instead, LOL.)

Yes, those were dangerous and fun times! Sort of makes you wonder how we all managed to survive that equipment and survive without all the warning stickers all over everything.

605 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:20am

re: #560 Cognito

So you think Corsi's an a-okay feller, eh?

One does not have to accept everything Corsi believes to accept that he was right about J F'n Kerry and he's right about the Obamessiah.

606 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:23am

re: #549 Cognito

I haven't seen the book yet. I'm hearing a lot of things that are negative, but I still haven't read it, or checked the references.

607 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:32am

re: #579 Dianna

I'd never heard of Corsi prior to reading Unfit for Command; I've been rather taken aback by some things I've run across him saying since (tfk landed on me for saying I thought he rather hared off after conspiracy theory); I will have to read the new book, and check it's references before I pass judgment.

Fear not. Especially fear not the judgment of taxfreekiller -- Corsi is a buffoon.

He can offer me 99 sensible-sounding facts, and if the 100th is an intimation that the American government perpetrated the September 11th attacks, he holds no value for me as a writer.

608 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:36am

re: #584 MandyManners

He is so eatable

Yeah, by enemies

609 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:37am

re: #600 pat

Savage-nation got banned from Babba's place this morning. Said something bad about Charles. BAM.

Wow.

610 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:37:47am

re: #579 Dianna

Corsi's has zero credibility. While some of the details in his Obama book my be correct, I would say that is in spite of Corsi's integrity, not because of it.

611 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:38:04am

re: #608 Ojoe

Yeah, by enemies

Putin would chew him up and spit him out.

612 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:38:18am

re: #578 galloping granny

Josephine, Obama does not just admit to using drugs, he admits to using cocaine. He wrote that - nobody did it for him. Cocaine is one of the most addictive substances known to man and true, permanent recovery from cocaine addiction is rare. That is why the US military does not allow any military personnel with any history ever of cocaine use - even once - to ever have anything to do with our nuclear arsenal.

Further, most people who beat this kind of addiction beat other addictions at the same time. Like smoking - Obama still smokes.

It is not unreasonable to apply the generalization "once a junkie, always a junkie" just like we would with any other person.

Please forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't President Bush a recovering alcoholic? Or was that just a rumour?

613 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:38:29am

re: #580 Kenneth

Gosh, what a hottie, he looks so, like, "Presidential".

Notice his tan lines? He's not dark at all.

614 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:38:52am

re: #581 CIA Reject

Coming soon to a landfill near you!

Ain't enough SuperFund dollars to clean up that.

615 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:38:54am

re: #539 Kenneth

That is right in line with some of the other fantasy's that Corsi seems to have no challenge with presenting.

My understanding of this book, not having read it, is that it lacks a lot of the facts that Unfit for Command had and while some of the accusations may be valid, it's closer to a smear book than a cogent expose.

Barry has plenty of problems based on his unwillingness to address specifics in his plans, policies, and do more than promise change. He's weak enough on that to lose this November.

616 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:39:12am

re: #603 taxfreekiller

You'll be pleased to know, then, that I hold you in the same esteem that I reserve for Mr. Corsi.

617 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:39:21am

re: #585 Ward Cleaver

Hang on while I go find an icepick. ;-)

'Sokay. I drank some more tea.

618 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:39:23am

re: #546 MandyManners

Do the Paint Huffers speak English? They certainly can't write it.

619 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:39:53am

re: #589 reine.de.tout

ew, yech! Those comments sort of prove what I said earlier about other countries watching our elections and candidates with a more critical eye than many of our own citizens!

They'd be better served reading LGF.

620 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:40:06am

re: #557 Catttt

LOL, also in the video he is standing out on a rock that waves are breaking over not exactly a bright idea

621 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:40:12am

re: #592 scottishbuzzsaw

That did it...

Fucking bizarro.

622 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:40:45am

A possibly better book: The Case Against Barack Obama, by David Freddoso.

I was rather surprised to see both this and Corsi's book displayed front and center when I walked into a Border's yesterday.

623 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:40:51am

re: #612 Josephine

Please forgive me if I'm wrong but isn't President Bush a recovering alcoholic? Or was that just a rumour?

Alcohol has a much better recovery rate than cocaine does. And it is not an illegal substance.

624 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:41:05am

re: #586 jcm

Doubt any of them survived the Syrian investigation......

I agree, but I don't think they would have survived the Israeli air assault...normally air defense sites are the first to go.

625 jemima  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:41:28am

#5 Zombie
Ah, Obama, a man with foresight. Just what we need.

Ah, 0bama, a man with foreskin. Nu?

626 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:41:31am
627 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:41:37am

re: #560 Cognito

To repeat, Corsi's book is number 1 on the NY Times bestseller list. It's selling like hotcakes. It is seriously damaging the Obama campaign. The facts stated in it have not been refuted, with minor exceptions. And you want to go after Corsi ad hominem?

That's Obama's tactic. Interesting.

628 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:41:44am

re: #620 bulwrk

LOL, also in the video he is standing out on a rock that waves are breaking over not exactly a bright idea

Did he find a pack of Newports there?

/old tv commercial

629 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:42:02am

re: #595 OldLineTexan

Obama’s Challenge: America’s Economic Crisis and the Power of a Transformative Presidency by Robert Kuttner

It's not his; just another guy with a man-crush.

Oops. My mistake.

But, doesn't BHO and/or his minions speak of his being a "transformative" man? He is a lightworker, after all.

630 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:42:24am

Russia supposedly softens stand on Poland:

From spiegel

In Sochi, though, President Medvedev softened the remark by his general, saying the agreement between Warsaw and Washington was "sad news for all who live on this densely populated continent, but it is not dramatic."

Uh- so is Poland's agreement with the US not dramatic, or is it not dramatic to threaten Poland with nukes?

631 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:42:25am

re: #596 Kenneth

The book is about Obama, not by him. The author is Robert Kuttner.

Yep. I screwed the pooch on that one.

632 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:42:38am

re: #622 Occasional Reader

A possibly better book: The Case Against Barack Obama, by David Freddoso.

I was rather surprised to see both this and Corsi's book displayed front and center when I walked into a Border's yesterday.

Do you think the left is starting to realize anything?

633 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:13am

re: #616 Cognito

You are more full of shit than I originally thought. You are nearly as narcissistic as Obama. And that ain't a good thing.

634 willowone  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:14am

re: #623 galloping granny
and as the left made such a huge issue of Bush being a dry drunk, we'd think this would matter, or not : P

635 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:15am

re: #597 Occasional Reader

Saaksvhili is a laywer. Putin is a KGB agent (notice I don't say "ex-") with a black belt in judo. I don't think the cage match idea would work out so well...

I've been pondering that.

Maybe a game of Jeapordy.

636 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:27am

re: #631 MandyManners

Yep. I screwed the pooch on that one.

Bad doggie, don't eat crackers in Mandy's bed!

637 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:35am

re: #622 Occasional Reader

A possibly better book: The Case Against Barack Obama, by David Freddoso.

I was rather surprised to see both this and Corsi's book displayed front and center when I walked into a Border's yesterday.

Hugh Hewitt has been promoting that book, and it's marching up the charts (#11 at Amazon right now).

638 Colonel Panik  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:39am

Great Olympics headline over at Michelle's:

Cheating ChiComs, Crouching IOC

639 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:49am

re: #555 Cognito

Should be easy enough to figure out. Got a link to the 'six-to-one' story?

Here is a sample from Google news now:

Obama Out-raises McCain 6-to-1 Among Deployed Service Members
The Washington Independent, DC - Aug 14, 2008
Barack Obama, the presumed Democratic nominee, has raised more money than McCain among service members stationed overseas, by a margin of six-to-one. ...
Troops Deployed Abroad Give 6:1 to Obama Hawaii Reporter
Military abroad favoring Obama, money-wise Boston Globe
US troops donate more to Obama than McCain AFP
AlterNet
all 566 news articles »

According to the USA Today story, "Troops serving abroad have given nearly six times as much money to Obama's presidential campaign as they have to McCain's, the Center for Responsive Politics said."

I looked a little more and found this, which explains the difference:

"Obama has collected $335,536 from 859 enlisted men and women, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. McCain -- a decorated former Vietnam POW -- has received $280,513 from 558 military personnel. And the gap is especially pronounced among members of the military stationed abroad, including in Iraq. Obama got $60,642 from 134 troops there, compared to McCain's $10,665 from 26 troops -- a 6-to-1 edge."

640 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:49am

re: #632 debutaunt

We will see a fabulous collapse of same IMHO come november

641 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:52am

re: #598 Ward Cleaver

That does it for me. He's still using.

/looking around

At least he owned up to it instead of WJC's wiggling around about it.

642 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:43:54am

re: #558 Josephine

Yes, how times have changed!


One time a mean boy stuck bullrushes down the back of my bathing suit bottom and no one sued him for sexual harassment!

Sorry about that. Will you forgive me?

643 Truck Monkey  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:44:00am

re: #479 quickjustice

Putin has hand-to-hand training in a special type of KGB/Soviet dirty fighting. He'd be a dangerous adversary hand-to-hand.

Reminds me of a fight I witnessed in High School. For some reason or other a Hmong refugee type person mixed it up during the school day with the biggest burn out in our high school, if not the planet. They agreed to settle the matter out in front of school after hours. The burnout ambled out the front door and fired up a cigarette and walked across to the sports field where he was met by a shirtless Hmong warrior accompanied by his posse. The burnout threw his cigarette out and with one punch knocked the Hmong warrior into the next week. It wasn't much of a fight. I WAS funny as hell as I remember it.

644 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:44:01am

re: #627 quickjustice

To repeat, Corsi's book is number 1 on the NY Times bestseller list. It's selling like hotcakes. It is seriously damaging the Obama campaign. The facts stated in it have not been refuted, with minor exceptions. And you want to go after Corsi ad hominem?

That's Obama's tactic. Interesting.

"Ad hominem"?

I'm not attacking him as a man. I'm attacking his views:

He can offer me 99 sensible-sounding facts, and if the 100th is an intimation that the American government perpetrated the September 11th attacks, he holds no value for me as a writer.

I'm amazed what some people here are willing to overlook, in the search for something that supports their own views. I don't need this conspiracy theorist Corsi to tell me about Obama, thanks.

645 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:44:22am

re: #456 pat

I considered copying the article and simply changing Russia to USA and Georgia to Iraq.

Moonbats are always so certain that is a powerful and disarming argument.

But because one situation between two parties is unjust doesn't follow that any substitution of "just the names" should also be unjust.

For example: America arrests bank robbers because they are bank robbers.

Substitute Nazis and Jews in that sentence, which makes it a description of evil and injustice, does not mean that it is a description of evil and injustice as it is in the first place.

646 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:44:30am

re: #613 MandyManners

Notice his tan lines? He's not dark at all.

Of course he isn't. Matter of fact, I saw a picture of him with his mother, baby sister and Saetoro senior a couple of weeks back. He sure looks a lot more like Saetoro than he does Obama Sr. See here - [Link: www.kansasprairie.net...]

Very close to the bottom. Keep scrolling.

647 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:44:35am

re: #600 pat

Savage-nation got banned from Babba's place this morning. Said something bad about Charles. BAM.

He must still be smarting from having all of his comments deleted by Charles yesterday.

648 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:45:08am

re: #638 Colonel Panik

Great Olympics headline over at Michelle's:

Cheating ChiComs, Crouching IOC

Sorry, kids don't start losing their front teeth at age 16. More like five, six, and seven.

649 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:45:34am

re: #632 debutaunt

Do you think the left is starting to realize anything?

No. Never.

650 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:45:37am

re: #510 Tarkus289

I would not tangle with him.tough guy

Heh.
Wannabe.

Send him for a round with this French rugby player ... he'll be out for the count, not knowing what hit him ...
(I could link videos of some of his stuff, but that would be soooo OT!)

651 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:45:53am
652 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:45:56am

re: #600 pat

Savage-nation got banned from Babba's place this morning. Said something bad about Charles. BAM.

Really stupid on his part. Wonder if he'll show up AtS, or do they hate savage_nation there?

653 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:46:31am

re: #651 taxfreekiller

Cognito just can not get over his love affair with the first full commie for Pres. the msm and the Donks ran to get America killed, so he over reacts from time to time about those who did in his dream Lt. for life John F. Kerry the traitor.

Ha! How did you know?

654 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:46:36am

re: #612 Josephine

Bush was a self-indulgent drunk. He stopped drinking, because he realized he was being an ass.

I detest the phrase "recovering alcoholic." Not every drunk is addicted to alcohol.

655 Athos  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:47:00am

re: #637 Ward Cleaver

Hugh Hewitt has been promoting that book, and it's marching up the charts (#11 at Amazon right now).

Hewitt said yesterday that he's interviewing the author on Monday and will air it sometime during the week.

This sounds like the far more professional and deeply researched book.

656 Captkirk35  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:47:29am

Putin and Medvedev are going to walk all over an Obama presidency like an old door mat. This is getting very concerning.

657 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:47:33am

re: #642 DeafDog

Sorry about that. Will you forgive me?

One time, we were walking home, cutting through a cow pasture. This boy in my class tried to pee on me from up in a tree. It was explained to me that he had a crush on me (for pity's sakes). He missed. I didn't sue.

This was in grade school, btw.

658 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:47:40am

re: #628 Ward Cleaver

I guess you and I are both old enough to remember cigarette commercials on tv.

659 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:47:44am

re: #644 Cognito

If he's indeed a Troofer, I would have trouble taking him seriously on anyting else.

Stick to Freddoso, folks.

660 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:47:58am

re: #608 Ojoe

Yeah, by enemies

A widdle snackums.

661 jcm  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:01am

re: #624 Maximu§

I agree, but I don't think they would have survived the Israeli air assault...normally air defense sites are the first to go.

'dat true, they've been smarter lately, remote operators. Don't make 'em sit under the dish that's the bullseye.

662 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:01am

re: #647 MandyManners

He must still be smarting from having all of his comments deleted by Charles yesterday.

Trying to out smart Charles with a clever sock puppet.

663 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:06am

re: #623 galloping granny

I'm sure you're right about the recovery rate.

Some people might be just as likely to say, "Once a drunk, always a drunk".

You wrote:

"That is why the US military does not allow any military personnel with any history ever of cocaine use - even once - to ever have anything to do with our nuclear arsenal."

That is very interesting and a good point. I wonder if that rule should also apply to the president?

Does anyone know if Obama was actually addicted to cocaine? Is it possible to be a casual user who stops before he becomes addicted?

(I don't expect you to be an expert on cocaine addiction. You made some good points that got me thinking.)

664 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:17am

re: #623 galloping granny

Alcohol has a much better recovery rate than cocaine does. And it is not an illegal substance.

The central issue is addiction.

I have learned way more about it than I want to know.

You can use a drug, even heavily, and not become addicted. Of course, some drugs are far more dangerous than others. Meth and crack are examples.

However, the "typical" figure (AA/Al-Anon sources) is 15% addict or potential addict and 85% NOT.

665 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:21am

re: #639 Catttt

Obama's money probably comes from soldiers like Scott Thomas Beauchamp, and officers pissed off about Rumsfeld's efforts to restructure the military to meet new threats. Sour grapes.

666 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:26am

re: #627 quickjustice

To repeat, Corsi's book is number 1 on the NY Times bestseller list. It's selling like hotcakes. It is seriously damaging the Obama campaign. The facts stated in it have not been refuted, with minor exceptions. And you want to go after Corsi ad hominem?

That's Obama's tactic. Interesting.

Corsi's book is #1 on Amazon right this minute. In Politics, three of the top five sellers are anti Barack Obama - #1, #2 and #5.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

667 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:33am

re: #618 Spiny Norman

Do the Paint Huffers speak English? They certainly can't write it.

Lotsa' excitable types over there.

668 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:48:44am

re: #662 debutaunt

Trying to out smart Charles with a clever sock puppet.

clever...sock puppet....*snicker*

669 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:01am

re: #459 rawmuse

I won't confront your personal opinion of Corsi. I'm just saying that the Corsi book already is out there. It's selling like hotcakes. It's damaging Obama. I'm not aware that any major assertions in the book are seriously inaccurate.

Obama has the money and the machine to refute the facts in the book if he can. That's his job, not mine.

670 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:05am

re: #650 yma o hyd

I agree, Putin is not the biggest guy, but that picture is pretty impressive for a 57 year old guy, plus he is a black belt as someone upthread mentioned.

671 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:12am

re: #578 galloping granny

I would dearly love to see a journalist or moderator (thinking tommorow night's "meeting") ask Obama when and how he got clean. AA/NA, rehab, some other 12 step program? It is pertinant to how we judge him as a potential President.

672 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:28am

re: #658 bulwrk

I guess you and I are both old enough to remember cigarette commercials on tv.

Yep, I remember. Like the Tarryton "I'd rather fight than switch" ads.

673 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:29am

re: #629 MandyManners

Oops. My mistake.

But, doesn't BHO and/or his minions speak of his being a "transformative" man? He is a lightworker, after all.

HA! Yes, yes they do. And yes, he is.

/

674 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:38am

re: #630 Sharmuta

Russia supposedly softens stand on Poland:

From spiegel

In Sochi, though, President Medvedev softened the remark by his general, saying the agreement between Warsaw and Washington was "sad news for all who live on this densely populated continent, but it is not dramatic."

Uh- so is Poland's agreement with the US not dramatic, or is it not dramatic to threaten Poland with nukes?

big steve more or less predicted this upthread:

Historically when extreme belligerent comments have come from Russian/Soviet leadership, it has been a sign of a power struggle within. When their leadership is aligned they control the message. Some have pointed out the surprise of a Russian leader being so intense. Krushchev had periods like this and later it was found they always corresponded to internal power shifts.

Plots within plots.

675 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:49:43am

re: #616 Cognito

You'll be pleased to know, then, that I hold you in the same esteem that I reserve for Mr. Corsi.

Aw. You're gonna' make TFK cwy.

Not.

676 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:24am
677 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:35am

re: #663 Josephine

That is very interesting and a good point. I wonder if that rule should also apply to the president?

Now, let's not be hasty. Perhaps the idea of a coked-up US president with his finger on the nuclear button might make our enemies think twice...

/kidding, sort of

678 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:37am

re: #662 debutaunt

Trying to out smart Charles with a clever sock puppet.

It wasn't even that clever. At least Chen Zhen had some style when he came back with a sock. He named it "Mr. Poopypants".

679 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:44am

re: #669 quickjustice

I won't confront your personal opinion of Corsi. I'm just saying that the Corsi book already is out there. It's selling like hotcakes. It's damaging Obama. I'm not aware that any major assertions in the book are seriously inaccurate.

Obama has the money and the machine to refute the facts in the book if he can. That's his job, not mine.

I would agree with that. It'll be just a matter of how much the Obama campaign and the rest of the left is able to blunt his attacks.

680 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:47am

re: #636 Kenneth

Bad doggie, don't eat crackers in Mandy's bed!

*whackadawhack*

681 dingleB  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:53am

re: #444 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I believe the Sun has the headline wrong. The perps look like South Ossetia irregulars. Check the white bedsheet armbands,unkept haircut/facial, uniforms, lack of loadbearing vests etc.

682 Tarkus289  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:50:58am

You an take Salem out of the country but ......... ding....

683 bulwrk  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:51:03am

re: #672 Ward Cleaver

Ah yes with the cheesy looking shiners.

684 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:51:19am

re: #663 Josephine

I'm sure you're right about the recovery rate.

Some people might be just as likely to say, "Once a drunk, always a drunk".

You wrote:

"That is why the US military does not allow any military personnel with any history ever of cocaine use - even once - to ever have anything to do with our nuclear arsenal."

That is very interesting and a good point. I wonder if that rule should also apply to the president?

Does anyone know if Obama was actually addicted to cocaine? Is it possible to be a casual user who stops before he becomes addicted?

(I don't expect you to be an expert on cocaine addiction. You made some good points that got me thinking.)

Cocaine is not physically addicting, but it is psychologically VERY much so. In other words, if one makes up one's mind to quit and stops using, there are no withdrawal symptoms, as there would be with, for example, heroin or alcohol.

685 jpkoch  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:52:00am

re: #654 Dianna

Bush was a self-indulgent drunk. He stopped drinking, because he realized he was being an ass.

I detest the phrase "recovering alcoholic." Not every drunk is addicted to alcohol.

Your the first person I've come across in a long time who points that truth out. I've known plenty of guys who drank like fishes , and then one day realized what they were doing to their bodies. They stopped cold turkey, but still occasionally drink socially. Again, not all drunks are alcoholics.

686 FurryOldGuyJeans  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:52:03am

re: #680 MandyManners

*whackadawhack*

*Yipe!* *Yipe!* *Yipe!*

687 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:52:07am

re: #683 bulwrk

Ah yes with the cheesy looking shiners.

They looked more like the blackout that football players wear.

688 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:52:25am

re: #657 Catttt

One time, we were walking home, cutting through a cow pasture. This boy in my class tried to pee on me from up in a tree. It was explained to me that he had a crush on me (for pity's sakes). He missed. I didn't sue.

This was in grade school, btw.

Totally my bad. Sorry about that one, too.

(thanks for not sueing)

689 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:52:31am

re: #686 FurryOldGuyJeans

*Yipe!* *Yipe!* *Yipe!*

(Ward calls the ASPCA)

690 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:02am

re: #646 galloping granny

Of course he isn't. Matter of fact, I saw a picture of him with his mother, baby sister and Saetoro senior a couple of weeks back. He sure looks a lot more like Saetoro than he does Obama Sr. See here - [Link: www.kansasprairie.net...]

Very close to the bottom. Keep scrolling.

Why is he considered black if he's also half white?

691 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:20am

re: #663 Josephine

I'm sure you're right about the recovery rate.

Some people might be just as likely to say, "Once a drunk, always a drunk".

You wrote:

"That is why the US military does not allow any military personnel with any history ever of cocaine use - even once - to ever have anything to do with our nuclear arsenal."

That is very interesting and a good point. I wonder if that rule should also apply to the president?

Does anyone know if Obama was actually addicted to cocaine? Is it possible to be a casual user who stops before he becomes addicted?

(I don't expect you to be an expert on cocaine addiction. You made some good points that got me thinking.)

The addiction rate to cocaine is high enough that a SINGLE use will kick in that military rule. One of the particularly insidious things about cocaine addiction is that there are no overt symptoms like there are with heroin addiction. And then there is the question of how he ingested it and what form it was in in the first place.

692 Sunlight  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:29am

re: #664 OldLineTexan

The central issue is addiction.

I have learned way more about it than I want to know.

You can use a drug, even heavily, and not become addicted. Of course, some drugs are far more dangerous than others. Meth and crack are examples.

However, the "typical" figure (AA/Al-Anon sources) is 15% addict or potential addict and 85% NOT.

But where I live, a public health study came out saying 60 plus percent of adults report that their drinking has been a problem for them during their adult lives. 75 plus percent reported that they had driven after drinking in the last 60 days. So "addict", while important, isn't the whole damaging story. AA/Al-Anon have tried hard in Russia. But they obviously haven't made a breakthrough that would alter Russia's behavior.

693 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:34am

re: #654 Dianna

Bush was a self-indulgent drunk. He stopped drinking, because he realized he was being an ass.

I detest the phrase "recovering alcoholic." Not every drunk is addicted to alcohol.

True dat.

I happen to like "recovering alcoholic" in order for folks that ARE/WERE addicted to take some credit/responsibility for their sobriety.

I figure if someone with 20 years sobriety wants to call him or herself a "recovering alcoholic", it's their right.

I am struggling mightily for MY alcoholic to have legitimate claim to that label.

694 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:39am

re: #678 Honorary Yooper

It wasn't even that clever. At least Chen Zhen had some style when he came back with a sock. He named it "Mr. Poopypants".

I meant to say a cute sock puppet.

695 Maximu§  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:42am

re: #658 bulwrk

I guess you and I are both old enough to remember cigarette commercials on tv.

yeah and replaced with Viagra commercials....."if your erection last for more than for 4 hours..."

696 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:53:43am

re: #662 debutaunt

Trying to out smart Charles with a clever sock puppet.

Impossible.

697 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:05am

Uh-oh, Charles has a thread up on Corsi's book. =======>

698 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:09am

re: #672 Ward Cleaver

Yep, I remember. Like the Tarryton "I'd rather fight than switch" ads.

I'd walk a mile for a Camel.

699 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:16am

re: #676 taxfreekiller

Cognito,

tfk has ask questions of you on Lt. Kerry now from time to time from the first day you posted here, you have never said one thing, some have been very very specific.

no answer is an answer,

if you now start to move the goal post now, we all understand very well

Ah, TFK.

I've answered you. Again and again and again. You simply don't want to hear the answers because they don't support your nutty expectations. I think John Kerry is a coward and a liar of the highest order of flim-flammery. I voted against him. I can't stand the guy, and I hope Obama picks him as a running mate, because he will sink the Democratic ship.

Now. Feel free to fire away with any "questions." Again.

700 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:46am

re: #663 Josephine

I'm sure you're right about the recovery rate.

Some people might be just as likely to say, "Once a drunk, always a drunk".

You wrote:

"That is why the US military does not allow any military personnel with any history ever of cocaine use - even once - to ever have anything to do with our nuclear arsenal."

That is very interesting and a good point. I wonder if that rule should also apply to the president?

Does anyone know if Obama was actually addicted to cocaine? Is it possible to be a casual user who stops before he becomes addicted?

(I don't expect you to be an expert on cocaine addiction. You made some good points that got me thinking.)

I snorted it a few times but, it didn't hook me. I knew quite a few people who were casual users who didn't get addicted.

701 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:50am

re: #698 Catttt

I'd walk a mile for a Camel.

"It's what's up front that counts!"

702 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:54:53am

re: #674 Spiny Norman

Plots within plots.

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."

703 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:55:06am
704 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:55:14am

re: #677 Occasional Reader

Now, let's not be hasty. Perhaps the idea of a coked-up US president with his finger on the nuclear button might make our enemies think twice...

/kidding, sort of

He's already a "cowboy", which is apparently a bad and dangerous thing.

/makes me wish I had been born a bit earlier in the family history...several cowboys

705 Ford_Prefect  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:55:19am

re: #647 MandyManners

He must still be smarting from having all of his comments deleted by Charles yesterday.

That is what happens when you poke a big dog with a stick.

706 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:55:54am

re: #675 MandyManners

Mandy, did you check out the link above regarding Corsi and 9/11 Troof?

Disturbing stuff.

707 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:55:54am

re: #703 taxfreekiller

bull shit Cognito

Yeah. That's about what I thought.

708 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:55:56am

Back to chores.

709 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:56:02am

re: #699 Cognito

Are you saying you voted for Bush in 2004?

710 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:56:14am

re: #690 MandyManners

Why is he considered black if he's also half white?

Because he chooses to be. And oddly enough, it is he himself that is putting himself right straight into that old Jim Crow one drop of black blood makes you black box - not anyone else. Clearly he is very "white" and has very Caucasian features that are not the product of plastic surgery.

711 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:56:15am

re: #671 Iron Fist

On this one point, no. All I care about is "Did he have the good sense to stop?" How he stopped means nothing to me.

712 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:56:19am

re: #685 jpkoch

Your the first person I've come across in a long time who points that truth out. I've known plenty of guys who drank like fishes , and then one day realized what they were doing to their bodies. They stopped cold turkey, but still occasionally drink socially. Again, not all drunks are alcoholics.

Go to AA. They'll clue you in that not every heavy drinker is an alcoholic, and they've been preaching it for years.

713 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:56:33am

re: #709 Kenneth

Are you saying you voted for Bush in 2004?

Yes.

714 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:57:37am

re: #659 Occasional Reader

If he's indeed a Troofer, I would have trouble taking him seriously on anyting else.

Stick to Freddoso, folks.

Ya know, the people who have a problem with Corsi being a troofer are the same ones who had a problem with the Edwards sex scandal breaking in The National Enquirer.

It seems to me that the source of the information is less important than the substance of the accusations. Obama spent twenty years in Rev. Wright's church. He said he could never forsake Wright. A week later, Wright is forsaken. With that as background, why should I not believe the accusations in Corsi's book?

715 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:57:47am

re: #587 pat

It was 134 total donations. A push story.

That's about what I figured - a very small number of contributions, with maybe a couple of very large ones from Wesley Clarke types. The younger GI's aren't into politics, to the point where they'd give money and the older ones have families. Most GI families are lucky to have two nickles to rub together at the end of the month.

716 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:58:07am

re: #713 Cognito

Well, that's a surprise. So you're just a pest, not a full-blown moonbat?
...just teasing ;)

Anyway, I agree with out about Corsi. He has zero credibility.

717 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:58:27am

re: #692 Sunlight

But where I live, a public health study came out saying 60 plus percent of adults report that their drinking has been a problem for them during their adult lives. 75 plus percent reported that they had driven after drinking in the last 60 days. So "addict", while important, isn't the whole damaging story. AA/Al-Anon have tried hard in Russia. But they obviously haven't made a breakthrough that would alter Russia's behavior.

And in general, "addictive personalities" tend to have a string of addictions. One way you can tell when you are truly no longer addicted to cigarettes, for example, is that your addictions to other things like coffee will also disappear. Obama is still smoking. He is still "an addictive type" if not still "addicted."

I don't think it unreasonable to assume addiction in the face of lack of evidence of a cure - at least not from a strictly medical point of view.

718 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:18am

re: #701 Ward Cleaver

"It's what's up front that counts!"

My mom hated the "Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch!" ad. She always winced at use of the objective case pronoun.

719 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:18am

re: #708 MandyManners

Back to chores.

Mandy, is it you who works for a vet?

720 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 11:59:32am

re: #693 OldLineTexan

I salute you, and your efforts.

721 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:08pm

Cog and TFK, I like you both, so there. :D

722 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:15pm

re: #642 DeafDog

Sorry about that. Will you forgive me?

LOL!

723 Dianna  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #697 Ward Cleaver

I think I shall head over there.

724 Cognito  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:00:28pm

re: #716 Kenneth

Well, that's a surprise. So you're just a pest, not a full-blown moonbat?
...just teasing ;)

Anyway, I agree with out about Corsi. He has zero credibility.

It's funny how many people have the notion that I'm a 'moonbat,' but can't cite an actual issue on which I lean left.

725 Son of the Black Dog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:22pm

re: #597 Occasional Reader

Saaksvhili is a laywer. Putin is a KGB agent (notice I don't say "ex-") with a black belt in judo. I don't think the cage match idea would work out so well...

I suspect that Putin could take on multiple Ultimate Fight types simultaneously and kill ALL of them.

726 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:25pm

re: #714 DeafDog

Ya know, the people who have a problem with Corsi being a troofer are the same ones who had a problem with the Edwards sex scandal breaking in The National Enquirer.

Why yes, I subscribe to both of those ideas.

Troofers are crackpots.

The National Enquirer is trash.

727 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:49pm

re: #700 MandyManners

I snorted it a few times but, it didn't hook me. I knew quite a few people who were casual users who didn't get addicted.

And for every one of you there is, there is at least one more who snorted it a few times and ruined their lives.

728 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:01:57pm

re: #720 Dianna

I salute you, and your efforts.

Thanks. LGF helps with the sanity aspect in many ways.

729 tiber  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:02:04pm

We need an Obama Clarification list. How long until he clarifies his statement on nuclear arms?

730 Pvt Bin Jammin  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:02:15pm

re: #719 galloping granny

Just in case Mandy is already slaving with her chores. I believe it was Mama Winger who worked for a vet. She is banned now, I think.

731 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:02:48pm

re: #700 MandyManners

I snorted it a few times but, it didn't hook me. I knew quite a few people who were casual users who didn't get addicted.

Poverty is the only thing that saved me.

732 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:02:51pm

re: #724 Cognito

I think it's because you love to play the devils advocate.

733 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:03:25pm

re: #729 tiber

We need an Obama Clarification list. How long until he clarifies his statement on nuclear arms?

You can't hug WAB's children with nuclear arms.

/

734 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:11pm

There is a reason cocaine is called "asshole powder". Stick it in your nose & you become an asshole. I've seen it happen far too many times.

735 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:25pm

re: #722 Josephine

LOL!

If a Troofer told me it was raiing, I would look up to make sure it wasn't DeafDog in a tree over my head.

/

736 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:29pm

re: #725 Son of the Black Dog

I suspect that Putin could take on multiple Ultimate Fight types simultaneously and kill ALL of them.

I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but he does have an (IIRC) sixth-degree judo black belt.

On the other hand, Bush could stomp his ass in a aerial dogfight!

737 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:04:59pm

On the story about military people contributing more $ to Obama, every time I've donated to a candidate, I've self-reported my employers name in the blank.

What I'm saying is, it could be faked, if there was a organized effort.

When Ron Paul was running, at one point he had more donations from the military than all other candidates combined. THis was odd to me considering the military has been consistantly in support of their mission in Iraq and RP was a withdrawal guy.

It made me question whether the RonPaulians, who were well known for spamming polls and setting up fake websites for opponents, were putting down that they were in the military when they weren't to create the illusion of military support for RP (they probably thought they were doing a noble thing because they probably believed most of the military wanted out of IRaq but were afraid of speaking out)

738 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:24pm

re: #627 quickjustice

Also #1 on Amazon! And the David Freddoso book is #11!

739 yma o hyd  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:24pm

re: #670 Tarkus289

I agree, Putin is not the biggest guy, but that picture is pretty impressive for a 57 year old guy, plus he is a black belt as someone upthread mentioned.

Sure, for a 57-year old, but like all such things - what is he doing with all those muscles? Some wimpy-looking politician (a Tory, William Hague) is also a judoka ...
Thing is, a judo fight is short, a rugby game is 80 mins plus, with a lot of running involved.
You don't want tha French player running at you and tackling you, believe me, judoka or not. its a question of mass and speed, nothing one can do about it, even when one's prepared for it.
Oh - the Georgians are quite good at rugby ... better than the Russians ...

(Sorry, this is now a DT, so I allow meself the slight excursion into my favourite sports subject ...)

740 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:41pm

re: #736 Occasional Reader

I don't know if I'd go quite that far, but he does have an (IIRC) sixth-degree judo black belt.

On the other hand, Bush could stomp his ass in a aerial dogfight!

What is the official name of that old style of "hero/champion" combat that was used to settle battles and wars while the armies watched?

/Maybe we have a solution here

741 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:48pm

re: #715 Son of the Black Dog

That's about what I figured - a very small number of contributions, with maybe a couple of very large ones from Wesley Clarke types. The younger GI's aren't into politics, to the point where they'd give money and the older ones have families. Most GI families are lucky to have two nickles to rub together at the end of the month.

That is very true. They don't have a lot of "extra" money to give. We have customers currently serving overseas, and I admire them for their efforts to put money away for retirement. It is not that easy for them. They do not have a lot of disposable income.

742 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:50pm

re: #654 Dianna

I'm not saying this to argue with you: I guess it depends on how you define a drunk and an alcoholic.

I know people disagree on the definitions sometimes. I don't have a strong feeling either way.

If I understand correctly, you are saying that President Bush sometimes drank too much but was not addicted to alcohol. If I misrepresented him, I apologize. I haven't read much about that part of his life.

743 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:05:54pm

re: #732 Kenneth

I think it's because you love to play the devils advocate.

correct. the word "contrarian" comes to mind

744 Occasional Reader  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:04pm

re: #732 Kenneth

I think it's because you love to play the devils advocate.

Excuse me, but if you have any questions for my client, the Devil, you should direct them toward me. Mr. Lucifer has been the victim of a vicious smear campaign, and if you persist in slandering him, you may find yourself named in our upcoming suit.

Good day, sir.

745 de La Valette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:32pm

re: #712 OldLineTexan

At one point in my life I had two diets one of Iodine, Ibuprofen, and Immodium followed by short period of intense Jack Daniels consumption.

During those short periods of Jack Daniels consumption prior to deployment or FTX you would have been had to distinguish me from an alcoholic.

746 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:06:39pm

re: #726 OldLineTexan

Why yes, I subscribe to both of those ideas.

Troofers are crackpots.

The National Enquirer is trash.

Meaning what? Edwards is being falsely accused in your eyes?

747 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:07:12pm

re: #662 debutaunt

Trying to out smart Charles with a clever sock puppet.

Wow, should I be glad I missed all of that?

748 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:07:52pm

re: #744 Occasional Reader

Excuse me, but if you have any questions for my client, the Devil, you should direct them toward me. Mr. Lucifer has been the victim of a vicious smear campaign, and if you persist in slandering him, you may find yourself named in our upcoming suit.

Good day, sir.

you client is Al Pacino?

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

749 Catttt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:27pm

re: #710 galloping granny

Because he chooses to be. And oddly enough, it is he himself that is putting himself right straight into that old Jim Crow one drop of black blood makes you black box - not anyone else. Clearly he is very "white" and has very Caucasian features that are not the product of plastic surgery.

He looks a LOT like his mom.

750 Silhouette  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:37pm

Interesting thing I just saw. I went to McCain's donation page to fact-check my memory before I posted #737, and McCain has a quote at the top of the page.

Remember, this quote is coming from a man who had all his teeth broken off while being tortured by commies for years, all in service to his country.

I truly believe that I owe America more than she has ever owed me. (emphasis his)

751 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:52pm

re: #647 MandyManners

He must still be smarting from having all of his comments deleted by Charles yesterday.

Just the way I took it also. But he fooled around with the wrong blog.

752 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:08:57pm

re: #746 DeafDog

Meaning what? Edwards is being falsely accused in your eyes?

Meaning that I would not read a National Enquirer story with any expectation of fact EVER.

If they got it right a few times, good for them. I'm sure it will add in their marketing, and capitalism is all-American.

But I don't ingest trash orally or visually.

753 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:09:00pm

re: #677 Occasional Reader

You tryin' to give me nightmares?

754 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:10:38pm

re: #745 de La Valette

At one point in my life I had two diets one of Iodine, Ibuprofen, and Immodium followed by short period of intense Jack Daniels consumption.

During those short periods of Jack Daniels consumption prior to deployment or FTX you would have been had to distinguish me from an alcoholic.

I am sure you are correct. I am pleased to understand that you started taking better care of yourself.

However, in my (unfortunate, IMO) experience, experts in addiction have pretty damned effective personality tests to settle those questions, and I have left their specialty to them.

755 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:07pm

re: #669 quickjustice

I won't confront your personal opinion of Corsi. I'm just saying that the Corsi book already is out there. It's selling like hotcakes. It's damaging Obama. I'm not aware that any major assertions in the book are seriously inaccurate.

Obama has the money and the machine to refute the facts in the book if he can. That's his job, not mine.

He has the money and the machine to put out a 41 page "rebuttal" - but that was probably the stupidest move he could have made. It takes any discussion Obama might want to have about anything other than himself and his history and sticks him right back in the rowboat trying to bail his way out of the creek.

And then to make bad matters worse, they climbed all over McCain as "laughing at Obama" when his response to a question about the book was that Obama needed to learn to laugh. (First lesson every mother teaches a kindergartener about the class bully.)

756 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:30pm

re: #684 Catttt

That's interesting. I'm going to have to read up on the characteristics of psychological addiction as separate from physical addiction. I used to be a heavy (cigarette) smoker and I'm pretty sure I had both aspects goin' on.

757 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:11:51pm

re: #742 Josephine

Here is a very open, very honest interview President Bush gave re his drinking.

Would that slimy Silky Pony were even 1/125 th as honest about his mistress and illegitimate baby....

758 littleO  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:23pm

re421 de la vallette

Did you hear that the russians took 1700 small arms (American supplied) weapons from a armory in Georgia.
We need to be able to guard our weapons in these frackin' countries. Hell, maybe thats why we maintain troops all over the world. Our parasitic allies can't be trusted to fight or even capably defend themselves.
Dramatically increasing oil supplies and drivivg barrel prices to 55 dollars (good number) would deliver a crushing blow to our world enemies.

759 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:28pm

re: #752 OldLineTexan

Meaning that I would not read a National Enquirer story with any expectation of fact EVER.

If they got it right a few times, good for them. I'm sure it will add in their marketing, and capitalism is all-American.

But I don't ingest trash orally or visually.

Same holds true for Cosrsi. He's marketing books. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong. It would be a mistake, IMO, to summarily dismiss his work.

760 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:36pm

re: #730 Pvt Bin Jammin

Just in case Mandy is already slaving with her chores. I believe it was Mama Winger who worked for a vet. She is banned now, I think.

Ah, you are right. Thank you. I was hoping. Our doggie seems to have gotten herself injured yesterday. SIL thought she had maybe just pulled a muscle or something, but she is still limping this morning. They're going to take her to the vet shortly, but I was wondering about an aspirin.

761 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:12:48pm

re: #737 Silhouette

I am extremely dubious of the report. Remember that business a few weeks back about a network talking head interviewing the troops and asking who they were going to vote for? What a surprise! 4 said Obama, 1 said Clinton & 1 said McCain. Except... the Army Lt. assigned to escort this reporter around called her dad, a retire general, to watch the news because she (the Lt was a woman) might be on it. Imagine her surprise, when the network edited out the 53 other soldiers who said they would vote McCain! It seems the reporter had asked 60 different soldiers and could only find 4 for Obama.

762 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:13:20pm

re: #759 DeafDog

Same holds true for Cosrsi. He's marketing books. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's wrong. It would be a mistake, IMO, to summarily dismiss his work.

It's a risk I am willing to take.

I despise Troofers on multiple levels.

763 jamgarr  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:13:55pm

Call . . . for . . . Phillip . . . Morris!

764 pegcity  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:35pm

re: #734 Kenneth

There is a reason cocaine is called "asshole powder". Stick it in your nose & you become an asshole. I've seen it happen far too many times.

Cocaine is gods way of telling stupid people they have too much money.

And yes people who are already assholes tend to like cocaine, it seems to justify their behavior.

765 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:39pm

re: #760 galloping granny

Ah, you are right. Thank you. I was hoping. Our doggie seems to have gotten herself injured yesterday. SIL thought she had maybe just pulled a muscle or something, but she is still limping this morning. They're going to take her to the vet shortly, but I was wondering about an aspirin.

Caveat emptor, but here's some info:

[Link: www.placervillevet.com...]

766 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:54pm

re: #749 Catttt

He looks a LOT like his mom.

And more than a little like his "stepfather." Go look at the picture of them at that link I posted above. Eyes, nose, ears - pretty darned similar. They are even about the same color.

767 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:58pm

re: #762 OldLineTexan

It's a risk I am willing to take.

I despise Troofers on multiple levels.

different troofers get different levels of hate from me, but I understand your POV

768 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:14:59pm

re: #714 DeafDog

I disagree.

Credibility is important.

Backing up your statements with verifiable facts is even more important.

769 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:27pm

re: #767 DeafDog

different troofers get different levels of hate from me, but I understand your POV

Hate is not a word I would use.

"Despise" does it for me.

Troofers damage my country, they damage my profession (among others), and they damage the general intelligence level of the populace.

770 pat  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:43pm

re: #741 Catttt

That is very true. They don't have a lot of "extra" money to give. We have customers currently serving overseas, and I admire them for their efforts to put money away for retirement. It is not that easy for them. They do not have a lot of disposable income.

It was likely generated by black pride letter solicitation with the specific intent of generating the story.
/I once played a politician

771 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:16:45pm

re: #735 OldLineTexan

ROTFL!

772 DeafDog  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:19:28pm

re: #768 Josephine

I disagree.

Credibility is important.

Backing up your statements with verifiable facts is even more important.

Again, it seems to me that the source of the information is less important than the substance of the accusations.

If verifiable facts are available, then the substance of the accusations is high. If verifiable facts are not available, then the substance of the accusations is low. That's true regardless of the source of the info.

773 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:19:58pm

re: #757 NY Nana

Thank you, Nana!

John Edwards - bah!

774 galloping granny  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:20:01pm

re: #741 Catttt

That is very true. They don't have a lot of "extra" money to give. We have customers currently serving overseas, and I admire them for their efforts to put money away for retirement. It is not that easy for them. They do not have a lot of disposable income.

And most of them in the warzone do not have $ in any substantial way with them. Lots of them are married and wifey has the checkbook.

775 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:21:30pm

re: #772 DeafDog

Good point. However, reputations matter, and people are judged on them, rightly or wrongly.

I'm heading up to the thread about the book in question!

776 Aylios  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:24:47pm

Hiya lizards.

I just got here after reading the headlines. I guess we can soon add Pakistan to the hairtrigger-nuke list, since Musharraf is out and my bet is he'll eventually be replaced by an islamist. [Link: hotair.com...]

I guess Armageddon won't be long.
[Link: www.jibjab.com...]

777 Aylios  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:26:07pm

oops, wrong jibjab, i meant this one: [Link: www.jibjab.com...]

778 Spiny Norman  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:27:53pm

re: #702 Honorary Yooper

"I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma."

Most people forget the rest of Churchill's quote:

"...but perhaps there is a key. That key is Russian national interest."

Meet the new Russia, same as the old Russia.

779 Steffan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:31:36pm

The Russians are coming very close to pissing off the Jacksonians.

Perhaps Putin should hold a seance and call up the shade of Hideki Tojo for an explanation of what Jacksonians can do when they're pissed off.

780 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:32:36pm

re: #747 Josephine

Wow, should I be glad I missed all of that?

Charles accused him of being savage and there was no reply. Charles deleted his cutestguy sockpuppet and then deleted all of savage's history here. Savage was an idiot to throw away his ability to post here and insulted Charles in the process.

781 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:33:28pm

re: #773 Josephine

John Edwards - bah!

I had missed that interview, BTW, and am glad I found it. There are many reasons that I am not happy with President Bush, but I so admire his honesty re his problem with alcohol. He probably has helped an untold number of people who either did see it, or read about it. It takes a great strength of mind to accomplish what he did.

As for Edwards? [deleted]. I am sad to say that his wife, who has terminal cancer, does not get my sympathy any more. She knew, and allowed herself to be used like that. When he continued the affair? And when she was diagnosed as terminal? He should have immediately withdrawn from the race, instead of schlepping her and the kids all over the country. What a POS!

I feel so sorry, though, for their kids who now have even a sadder future. How can Edwards look them in the face?

782 Steffan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:34:54pm

re: #752 OldLineTexan

Meaning that I would not read a National Enquirer story with any expectation of fact EVER.

If they got it right a few times, good for them. I'm sure it will add in their marketing, and capitalism is all-American.

But I don't ingest trash orally or visually.


I don't blame you a bit for that.... but I think it's sad that the Enquirer has shown a higher standard of ethics than the NYT, WP, or LAT.

783 NY Nana  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:37:25pm

re: #778 Spiny Norman

Back in the USSR....

784 docremulac  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:40:40pm

President Remulac would respond:

"That'll be the last order you give comrade. In fact that'll be the last order any Russian will ever give."

And yes, I'd use the term "comrade". President Remulac would be strong, yet humorously allusive to further truths in every statement.


But seriously, don't let these guys scare you, they've been threatening us with nukes for almost 60 years. They know the sword of Damocles is double edged.

785 akak  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:41:51pm

If it is possible to generalize, how are Russians being treated in other countries?

786 Kosh's Shadow  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:45:30pm

re: #718 Catttt

My mom hated the "Us Tareyton smokers would rather fight than switch!" ad. She always winced at use of the objective case pronoun.

So what did she think of the "Winston tastes good like a cigarette should" commercials? (For those who weren't old enough, these then had someone complain about the grammar, saying it should be "as a cigarette should".)

787 OldLineTexan  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:46:46pm

re: #782 Steffan

I don't blame you a bit for that.... but I think it's sad that the Enquirer has shown a higher standard of ethics than the NYT, WP, or LAT.

"Ethics" I'm not so sure about, given the rest of their shenanigans.

The manipulation of the "news" by members of the MSM is frightening and sad.

788 stashiu  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 12:48:09pm

re: #293 Spiny Norman
One of the Swifties told me that the reason he won't release them is because his General Discharge was upgraded to Honorable, under Carter. He lost his clearance do to cavorting with the enemy in Paris. Got his medals revoke. Once again, Carter to the rescue.

789 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:13:09pm

re: #755 galloping granny

Excellent insights.

790 beholden  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:13:12pm

If I were president: "My fellow Americans, it has recently come to my attention that Russia has threatened one of our allies with nuclear strikes. I will assure you as I have assured Mr. Putin that none of our ICBM's are currently pointed towards Russia, but we are evaluating our targeting paradigm, hourly."

791 quickjustice  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:16:27pm

re: #788 stashiu

There's a longstanding suspicion that Kerry didn't get an honorable discharge from the Navy because of his obnoxious public attacks on the military. He was able to get his discharge upgraded to "honorable" because of Jimmy Carter's blanket pardon of Vietnam draft-dodgers and other reprobates.

That's why he won't release all of his military records despite longstanding pledges to do so. In other words, Kerry continues to ignore those pledges.

792 debutaunt  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:26:38pm

re: #110 CIA Reject

And the other half were pilot errors.

And the other third were social promotions.

793 Loren42  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:29:49pm

re: #12 Sizzlack

I'd love to hear what the Messiah has to say about this...

Better Red Than Dead - Part II

794 Hooray for Captain Spaulding  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:34:50pm

re: #253 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One of my co-workers was just explaining to me how this whole thing was orchestrated by a secret meeting of business and world leaders in order to make money off war contracts and loans.


Did it have something to do with the Queen and Colonel Sanders?

795 akak  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:41:23pm

Saakashvili is quoting Human Rights watch, and losing points.

796 Pete (Alois)  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 1:43:30pm

Well, so much for the "pan-Slavic brotherhood" the Russkies were phumphering about when we went after Milosevic.

797 redc1c4  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 2:32:30pm

someone should point out to the russian genius who made this threat that russia is downwind of Poland.......

/dumb ass

798 Josephine  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 3:18:02pm

re: #780 debutaunt

Phew, I am glad I missed the insults. I wouldn't put up with it if I had a blog.

799 Proud to be American  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 3:30:22pm

Good God - Buchanan has gone even more stark raving bonkers than ever!

WARNING - Do not read the link if you have high blood pressure or heart problems.

Blowback From Bear-Baiting

800 twincitiesgirl  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 3:59:25pm

re: #783 NY Nana

Time for me to squeal " Paaaaaaaaaaaul"!

Seriously, has anyone here mentioned how the current state of the world is playing to the idealistic (read college age and younger), not moonbat* supporters of Nobama? Most of them have no frame of reference for the former Soviet Union.

*the last several months I've noticed that the scariest--as in very fast and reckless drivers on the road are the 90+ year old women with an Obama bumper sticker on their saab, volvo, lexus.

801 Ledger1  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 4:17:27pm

Although I don’t like it, I think it maybe time to retool Gen. LeMay’s Strategic Air Command with its powerful delivery systems and nukes. The best defense is a good offense.

802 straitcircle  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 4:30:26pm

Russia supplies oil and natural gas to Europe, and has nukes, and a half-decent military, and we have the messiah, who will dismantle all the USA arsenal. Uhh, my bets and hunches are for the Russians to succeed in this case.

803 nyc redneck  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 5:14:19pm

re: #191 DistantThunder

Obambi gives off the wounded animal signal familiar to every predator. And here comes Jaws 1 and Jaws 2 (Putin and Hillary) Who would show up next?

he is definitely a weak animal begging to be brought down,
putin, for example, might allow him to come on board, but if he gets out of line or has a thought that doesn't conform to party expectations, he will be crushed and dumped instantly.
putin's like that. he knows b.o. is a puff pastry.

804 chipset  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 6:23:48pm

Holy Cow.

Does Mr. Obama not know history?

The Cold War was won by not firing a single nuclear weapon at an opponent.

The Cold War was based upon the principles of MAD, or Mutually Assured Destruction. The premise is very simple. If you fire nuclear weapons at an opponent, then you can rest assured they will do the same. This concept o MAD kept everything in balance.

Now, if the US dismantles the nuclear stockpile we have, this will undoubtedly shake the balance of power. And we will be without the capability to return fire. This ensures a victory to anyone who wishes to use nuclear power against us.

The Cold War was won because of the nuclear arsenal, because the risks were so great.

In a world where everyone just wants to get along, nuclear weapons would no be necessary. However, we do not live in that world and plenty of people would love to see us annihilated. Witness the events right after 9/11.

Mr. Obama is in need of a serious history lesson. I thought they taught better than that at Harvard.

In a world where we could lead by example, I might tend to agree with him. But with major hotheads around the globe looking to kill me for no other reason than being American, I would much rather I hold a weapon that is a sure deterrent.

805 tradewind  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 6:55:30pm

Thanks, Barack! You've just written some way cool talking points for McCain.
Now, if he'll just use them and not worry about hurting your feelings.......

806 HDrepub  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 7:25:56pm

re: #378 Pvt Bin Jammin

Regarding Milan? I really don't know other than the fact that I grew up within two miles of a similar, larger plant. We were always under the impression that we were a target but now I would think that other targets such as transportation hubs, etc., might be higher priority. Who knows.

There are three power plants within a hundred miles of the Milan Arsenal. I'm sure they are all targeted right now and have been for decades.

807 Syrah  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 8:45:34pm

Russia
*spit

808 lori lane  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 9:44:32pm

re: #705 Ford_Prefect

That is what happens when you poke a big dog with a stick.

Or a carrot.

809 Orbit Rain  Fri, Aug 15, 2008 10:04:25pm
Poland, by deploying (the system) is exposing itself to a strike — 100 percent

lol...by striking out with nuclear weapons, Russia guarantees a glassy demise — TWO HUNDRED PERCENT!

...yeah, don't think we aren't willing to destroy you, you are not the only bears in these woods...

_ Live Free or Die _

Have a nice day

:)

810 tangonine  Sat, Aug 16, 2008 9:01:57am

The cold war never did end. And never trust a Russian.


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